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So, I'm going to start the meeting at 7:06 p.m. Call to order. Welcome to the board of health uh June 10th, 2025 meeting at 7 o'clock or 7:06 now. And number two on our agenda is approval
of the meeting minutes. If you take a look at our two sets of minutes, April 28th and May 1st, if you have any comments about that, if nobody does, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from April 28th. I'll take them separately, or do you want to do them together? You want to do
them separately, Roxan? Sure. Um, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from April 28th. Second. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I I Okay. And I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from May 1st, 2025. I'll second. Second.
Mary second. All in favor? I I Yep. Next is citizen speak. Um, so we're going to allow three minutes for anyone that would like to speak for citizen speak. and uh just raise your hand or let Caroline know and she'll uh call you. Thank you. And just before um
everybody speaks, I just wanted to introduce the board and myself and my staff so everyone knows who we are as we're running the meeting here. I'm the health director, Caroline Canella, and my staff, Emily Connors. Hi, I'm Emily. I'm the assistant health
director. Carolyn Hoe. Hi, I'm Carolyn. I'm the health agent. Jean Peterson Jean, I'll speak for Jean. Jean's our senior clerk. Mary Stenson.
Mary's on Sorry. I'm sure my family wishes they could mute me sometimes. Mary Stson, secretary and um Laura Laura Richards member
Roxan. Hi Roxan must chair. Okay. Uh okay before we move along to number three citizen speak. I just wanted to update everybody about um beaver trapping and the beaver trapping season.
So the beaver trapping season is January 1st, 2025 to April 15, 2025. And then uh so we're not in beaver trapping season right now. And then beaver trapping season will start up again uh November 1st, 2025 to April 15,
2026. So I just wanted to preface that before everyone starts to speak. So if you would like to speak, if you could raise your hand and I'll call on you, that'd be great. And I see that Roy Chambers has raised
his hand. Go ahead, Roy. Yeah. Hi. Uh my name is Roy Chambers and I'm here really just to hear the presentation from the uh uh the DPW relative to the uh problem with the beaver in the uh Harland Street
area. So I I I think probably any discussion I would have would be after their presentation or questions I may have. I know you sent a presentation into me this afternoon, Roy, and I forwarded it to the board. I'm hoping
that you got it, board. I just wanted to um let everybody know on this meeting that trying to get into this meeting tonight, I couldn't get in properly to the meeting. So, we have a way to access our files when I'm talking to you on this meeting, but I couldn't get into the V drive, which I've never had a
problem with that before. Been trying since 6:30 to get in. So, I I can't pull up my information. I'm going to try to pull up some of the emails um that were sent, but this is disappointing that I can't pull up the information and show pictures, but I know the board I sent a
lot of information already to the board, so they should have all these pictures. So bear with me when we're going along here. I can't get into the drive and my assistant health director cannot get into the drive either. So there's a glitch going on here. Thank you. Did you
want to um speak now, Roy, for a couple minutes about your concerns? Uh well, it's it's it's an ongoing issue that we've uh been experiencing down that area for several years. I followed the beaver uh in that area for the almost
five years. Um and we didn't really have any trouble with them until last year when the DCR made a presentation um to the board um wanting to trap the beaver at that time. Um the board had
voted uh against that since uh there wasn't enough proof that the problem was caused by the beavers. Um and uh and then now we're back here again uh with with the a similar issue. But at this
time, I think that uh the town definitely has uh some concerns on this and uh um and I've been I've talked to John from the conservation commission last year with uh Steve Ivers and we've
looked at the area and at that time the beavers had established another a dam further on down um by the uh the Highland uh street bridge. Um, but we decided at that time that we would let
nature go its way and see if if the the brook itself would wash the dam away, which it did. And that was back in uh October from October through right up until April. Um, it wasn't wasn't a
problem. Didn't seem to be a problem in the area. uh only after the uh the small amount of rain that we had from April from January till April, uh the Beavers took advantage of it and
they have uh put together a pretty good size dam right now by the Holland Street Bridge. So uh you know of course the you hate to see this kind of thing happen because the remedy is uh one that my
people like myself uh who like to let nature go its way uh to have them uh be removed from the area. But it seems to be uh we're running the beaver are running out of time on this. But I' I'd
like to hear what the DPW has to say. I know they had also talked about the lower part or the upper part of Highland uh by the UN prettyity dam but that area my opinion is not caused by the beaver.
It's an engineering has been for for years. Thank you Roy. Is there anyone else that would like to speak or citizen speak? Raise your hand. I don't see anyone else. Okay. Oh, I see Ned. Hi, Ned. Would you
like to speak? Yes. Thank you. Ned Corkran. Um I just a question. Roy spoke just at citizen speak and you indicated that he sent some materials in with some perhaps some photographs. Do you does he
have the possibility to share his screen and present those photographs from his laptop or his computer as opposed to you having to find a way to pull it up on your own drive? Well, I do have photos. I don't know how
well they'll show from my from my iPad here, but um I don't know if you can see that. I'm just wondering whether You can allow him to share his screen. I can. Can you share it? I don't have it's on an iPad.
Separate. Okay. Then so you don't have the capacity to show it um on the screen. I can share it uh Caroline if you want. That'd be awesome. Thank you so much. Do you want do you want me to do the presentation and then I can sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh share Royy's uh information and then Roy
can speak on his information or do you want me to how do you I can move on to number four. It doesn't seem like anyone else wants to speak speak at citizen speak and you can do the presentation first if that's okay with the chair and then we can um maybe have a couple of
comments after that. Yes, I think that's fine. Is that okay with you? Okay, so we're going to move on to number four. The Department of Public Works is requesting a 10-day emergency beaver permit to trap beavers in the Pine Tree Brook area due to concerns of Harland Road wash away, standing water,
flooding, and threat to human health and safety. Discussion and vote. So, uh, if you could share your screen, Marina, that'd be great. [Music] Great. Uh, good evening. My name is Marina
Fernandez. I'm the director of public works here for the town of Milton. Uh, first of all, I just wanted to thank the board of health for your time and uh for listening to this presentation. So, I I I really appreciate all of your time. Um
I put a very quick presentation on the problem uh on the issue we have at hand and the request I have uh respectfully submitted a permit uh to the board of health for uh it's called an application
for 10day emergency beaver uh or muskrat permit. That application was submitted on June 5th. Um to give everyone a little bit of a a background, the Pine Tree Brook Flood
Control Dam is a structure located at the Harland Street um at the connection of Anquerty Street uh in Harlem. uh that structure was built around the 1960s by
the USDA in response to um floods that were happening throughout the state and throughout the country and given the funding mechanism that was available back at the at the time. The town does that structure does require periodic
maintenance and the town of Milton uh DPW has been in charge of the periodic maintenance which includes clearing um uh clearance of um the area around the dam uh the DCR
in the surrounding BMS and streams ways through the to keep the structures integrity uh but other than that it just pretty much just work in on its own and the DCR list this as the Pine Tree Brook Flood Control Dam. Uh basically it it it
works uh as a structure to allow the land behind it to be used as a detention basin uh during a a storm and it it allows the water to slowly uh go
downstream um after um a storm event. However, currently the level uh is 2 feet of what the current capacity is. Basically, there's 2 ft of water that is being is is is
uh um on top of what it usually stands and that takes up very crucial capacity during a storm. So it does not allow the water to back behind the structure because behind the structure it's already working at its full capacity due
to the beaver um dam. Um to give you a sense of what that structure the watershed behind that structure um it really splits into two where you see I don't know if you can
can you see my mouse? All right. This is the location of the pine tree brook brook flood control. The pine tree brook goes over here and these areas are the um Harland andy location. Um just
upstream of that, not too far upstream of that um right here is where the and I have another picture coming up that will give you a little bit more of a zoom. That's where the very large Beaver Dam has been constructed over the months as
uh Mr. Chamber has indicated. Um and just upstream of that that structure the the the be the pine tree brook further splits into what we call the Harland Street watershed which is a 2.9
square miles uh watershed and the street watershed which is um um an area of 4 and a half square miles. So, we have several beaver dams that have
been um built over the years. I I would say this activity has been going on for for a little while. However, it's hard to tell because from what I have heard from experts, uh some of the beaver dams can really um even a structure as large
as the one that we found that you can see on the picture here, which is pretty large, um it can go up within, you know, three weeks at a time depending on on the activity that is is is happening. So
the some of the dams are located within DCR which is just downream of let me just go back. It's this area over here behind the anquy um tree and the uh ice
rink over here. This is the area that is shown here. And the DCR has indicated that they found several um beaver dams. And the other location, it's over here,
uh which is the one located at the town of Milton, um uh land. We also have seen additional activity just upstream inside the Harland's street uh cover uh
location. we we see indication of of beaver activity there as well. Um so what it's happening is the the Harland A is is pretty much being run uh
it's being washed off. Um I'll show you a little video. It should play. This area here is on the left is is is um the watershed that comes it it it contains the the Wallist Golf Course in
that area and our um dam is on this side of the video. Uh we've the DPW attends to this area during every storm. Uh as far as two weeks out, we attended the uh
the northeastern that came in the month of May. Um during that event, uh the road was closed for a 3-day period. Our staff had to attend this road overnight. We worked during an emergency shift to
close this road. Um when this road does get washed off, um there is the threat that people if they were to drive and go past our barriers that they could um their car could capsize onto the pine
tree brook causing serious threats to um people's lives as well as even potential hit risk factors to the future risk factors to the environment. Um,
this road is needs to be access accessed by emergency personnel. Uh, we do have a school bus line that goes through this road. Um, like I said, it it requires road closures. In the past 15 days alone, there has been over four days
worth of road closures on this road due to flooding. Um, and also it requires uh immediate response from our our DPW staff. It requires overtime and requires us to be out there in the middle of the night making sure that the the road is
is closed and people are not going through. And again, there's still the possibility that if we're not there to attend, which sometimes we're not there for 247 um that people or maybe young drivers could go
through. Um I did reach out to uh different solutions. Um we reached out for to the town of we we reached out to Beaver Solutions LLC which is a local um
service provider uh to put in the beaver deceivers. However, um and and this was uh submitted to the board. However, those are not suitable. Uh we got responses back from the wildlife saying that these are not suitable for
solutions for this area. They were very aware of um the problem but due to the flow volume being too high and even even the largest beaver dam level leveler pipe would not be um sufficient for for
for this area. Um, we also got similar letters from the D DCR uh areas being not uh suitable to have a beaver deceiver um put in and in
addition to that the vertical difference in water level is not deep enough to have these to be effective. So that is my presentation. Um, if you give me a second, I'll stop sharing and then I'll share uh Mr. Chambers's uh
photographs. Okay. Thank you, Maria. I I I think we're talking about two different areas. You're talking the area down by the Anquerty Dam. Yeah. Um and you There's beavers down there. There's
a dam. There's a beaver dam down there. I can't go back to my presentation. Okay. Um Okay. You you understand where the the Holland Street um conservation land is, correct? Which is on your photo would be to the left,
right? Yeah. Hold on. Let me go back to the PowerPoint. Can you see this? Yes. Yes. Correct. The the request here is for the request for the permit is for both uh the areas
within the DCR which is where I am. We we found the three different Beaver Dams as well as this area just upstream of the Pine Tree Brook flood control dam which is maintained by the town of
Milton. And then we also found activity um just up upstream here towards the wall golf course. We have evidence showing that there is beaver activity in all three areas. And my concern as the
DPW director is that if we just look at this as a one issue in one area, what is going to happen is we're going to allow uh once we trap the beaver and if if we are successful in doing so, we would uh
reach out to the conservation commission and request guidance on how to most properly remove the the the the beaver dam, which would then allow water to flow naturally where it's supposed to go and it could therefore create a uh
further down you know issues downstream. So if we were to um it it it all works as a bottleneck. So if we allow the water through here, it
it we could be causing further um further flooding downstream. This picture over here was actually taken um during the northeaster and as you can see the the level of water here was um
just about 6 in from the top. Um, and this is with the the beaver dam holding up additional water just upstream. So if that beaver dam is to be let go and without taking the restrictions further
downstreams, you could be causing um additional problems on even onybrook. um similarly to what is happening to Harley. Well,
the my my question was the the water flow that you showed that flows over the Holland Street area by the Anquity Dam is coming from the conservation land. Is that correct?
Or are you indicating it is coming from the watershed the map that I showed you which is four and a half miles on one side and four and 2.9 miles on the other side. You're correct. So it is the map that was shown. Um one second. Let me
just pull up your um I apologize. Let me just found your Caroline, you sent could you could you send me the pictures so I can um
share the pictures here with the group? I apologize. I I thought I had it. I don't. So, I apologize. Well, I'm not I'm not disputing your presentation. I was just trying to get an idea uh at the Anquity Dam that you claim
that the there's a bee of a dam is it on the Holland Street Conservation Land area or is it further upstream heading toward Chikatabit to Santa Cl because that that's where the flow comes
from. Pine Tree Brook starts up near the Chikatavic area at Hillside Pond and flows downward to the Anquity Dam. Are you saying there's a beaver dam between
uh the dam and and Hillside? I because I'm not aware of that. I like I said I could show you again on the map. Yeah. Okay. I All right. We're I don't And again, I'm not trying to dispute your presentation. I'm just No,
I Yeah, I am. Or argue with you about that because the area I was in concern of was the lower end of um the Pine Brook that goes out toward
Canton A by the Holland Street Bridge. that the water is backing up there. Do do you see my present the screen? Yep. Okay. Move it up.
All right. That's that's what it originally looked like at the Holland Street Bridge last year when we came to the um the board of health. That eventually was removed by the uh DCR. Um, you know, at that time everybody
agreed that this wasn't totally caused by the beas, but it was removed. And if you continue on down, you scroll further down. Okay, this was what it looked like after the dam um the
DCRI cleaned it out, which you can see it's beautiful. And the water was flowing along. Um, can you scroll down a little bit more? Okay, this was in December. Okay, that was December. And you can see in February that that the uh the dam uh or
the the brook was clean. Now, here we are on May 13th. And you can see that the dam is started um to to form right there. And if you go down a little bit, the next one that this was taken on June 6th, you can see they have they have
stopped the flow. And this is where the back It backs up into an area that normally doesn't have water. It's now flowing into that area. As you can see, it's standing water there. And this is that uh this is the area
that we were just talking about down by the Anquity Dam. You can see that the the three-foot piping that goes under Holland uh is all bad all clogged up. Yeah. The location that I am just
talking about is so the pictures you just showed are just over here. That's the DCR land beaver dams. The location that I'm talking about in the picture you took is from this road.
Yes. There is a much larger structure that is cutting across here. Uh Mr. Kernins who was on this call saw this with and I
not sure if he wants to add to this conversation here but I would say it's about 60 ft across blocking
this area and that is also an act it that is where um also one of the areas that we're asking for uh a permit and the picture looks like this and I I
apologize if this is it doesn't do its justice. this because all you see is trees and falling trees that look like debris. Um, we did invite the
we did invite the board of health. Um, Caroline also saw it, right Caroline? Yes. Um the earlier this morning I had our staff go up and take more pictures for you guys and just it would we were
unable to do that because of the vegetation had already uh blocked much of the view. I also believe that um um yeah, so we we we definitely seen the visual of all of those those dams and
and again I if if not we are looking at more rain events meaning more washed out uh potential roads. We know that's going to happen. um
and and we we know that could continue to pose um a threat to the area. So, it was it was very important and I urged the board to to make a decision at this meeting because we are looking at
more rain events with this high groundwater condition. Um, so I urge the decision to be made at this meeting. Um, thank you, Maria. Um, Roxan, how would you like to proceed? I see his hand, but
do you want to again bring up citizen speak or or speak a little bit? I I think that we Ned has his uh hand raised. Let's listen to what Mr. Corkrin has to say and then let's open it up to the board next and then if there's any followup um try to limit it a little bit
because we've had a lot of back and forth right now on this so I want to have let the board have a chance to weigh in. So I'd let Mr. Corkran first. Um thank you very much. I appreciate that. Uh Roxan, uh for the record, Ned Corkran, I'm here on behalf of Wall Golf
Club which has filed a memorandum in support of the town's application. I think it's really significant to point out that, you know, there is a state law that authorizes the the beaver trapping in and I think it is clear recognition
that beavers cause this type of damage and that unfortunately they need to be removed from time to time. I think just simply efforts to remove their dams isn't going to remove the beavers from the area. And
if you look at what where they were last year from Royy's pictures and this year's from Marinas, it looks like they're back. Uh, and they move quickly and they and they're creating quite a problem. Um, if I can share screen briefly.
Um, go. Can we all see that? Can you see? Okay. So this is similar to what Marina was showing. This is the Harland Street Conservation Area, the 2.9 square miles, and this is the other that is the four square miles. They both
merge into this location. Pine Street, you know, it's two large watersheds that are coming into one place and the and the Dam is the control point that lets the water out so that all of this doesn't back up.
Wallis Golf Course is part of the watershed. These ponds abut this conservation area and um drain off into this area and come down into the Harland Street area.
These fairways are being overrun with water because there's no way no place for the water to go causing causing significant damage and uh a significant expense to the members of the club to maintain those fairways. Um there's also
just to the right connecting this pond on their property is their main driveway in uh there is a a slight bridge over here, but they're concerned that there might be enough backup to create uh a a
damage problem here or here um allowing access to the clubhouse uh for emergency and other vehicles. Um and the last point I would make with respect to what's happening is that this is um
uh Wentworth Farms Road which is a new cluster subdivision that was recently built. This is um Ford Ranch Road uh also comes up the butt at the end to the to the watershed area and to the
conservation area. They all have septic. None of them have there is no sewer. Neither of these two uh areas. And there's a concern that some level of backup would could affect uh the septic systems that are closest to the wetland.
Um and so that would become a health issue. That would become a significant problem. it would affect the wetland itself if there was some leeching out um of the of the septics caused by flooding uh groundwater coming back up significantly into the area where the
the flooding is. So, the fact that there's a state law that authorizes this really tells me that this is a significant issue. It needs to be dealt with and they the state has granted significant power here that is unusual
relative to lots of other power granted to municipalities to address issues of of public health and and safety the way Marina has described it. So, we would wholeheartedly support a decision of this board uh to authorize the beaver
trapping as requested and then would encourage the town to pursue a follow-on action for the removal of the dams in consultation with the conservation commission which would have to issue an order of conditions as to how and under what conditions those dams could be
removed. Um, thank you for your time. We appreciate your efforts, the things that are happening here. um but really urge a favorable vote uh in this case. Thank you. And I'll stop sharing.
Would you like to discuss brother? Well, sure. Go ahead, Mary. I can I can um I wanted to thank Mr. chambers for following this issue as closely as he has because I think he's greatly contributed to um
my my decision that I I'm in favor of um removing the beavers. Um, oh, there was a level of tolerance because we've been watching this and everybody's been watching it for a while and it seems as
though this significant um safety concerns and health concerns um that need to be dealt with and I would be in favor of granting a permit. Thanks, Mary Roxan Laura. Yes, sure. Um,
I have a a few questions for Marina first. Um, and I, you know, would echo a lot of what Mary just told you. Uh, Marina, so you're looking at two different dams. Is that true? And then I'm just wondering when DCR came to us last time, that was on DCR. So, what is
DCR doing on their part? Because I think that it seems like this all has to be done in conjunction, right? I would think. So, I'm just wondering if Milton does something, what is DCR going to do here? I have reached out to DCR and uh
it would be a conjunction permit um both for trapping on Milton land and DCR land and they have uh confirmed that they would trap within the within the timeline that you provide. It would be similar trapping timeline. Um, I would
also ask um that you allow uh the timeline to begin obviously when the I I I need to book the the trapping. Um I I don't have a start date yet. I was waiting to hear from the this board
first before obviously we booked any trapping, but uh trapping would be done in conjunction and I have received confirmation that they would be working with us. So we would trap the area and then um like Mr. Corkran has mentioned
we would then reach out in conjunction so it's the town of Milton working in conjunction with DCR to then um receive uh the guidelines under an order of condition from the conservation commission to take down uh the dams
given that the trapping is done successfully in addition to what Mr. chambers as mentioned which is proper clearing. So for for the proper life and
and flow of the um of the area. Thank you. I mean I I wanted to say that I also appreciate the pictures that you both have provided Mr. Chambers and um Marina and I think that there are a lot
of public health concerns with this at this point. Um, I think last time when we heard it, um, you know, we were willing to give it a little bit more time and see how it worked out, but I think that it seems like from what we're seeing that it's become, um, more of an
issue and uh, and a significant issue and I think it probably from what I'm reading, it meets the criteria for this. So, that would be what I would have to say. Thank you. I agree with both Roxanne and Mary. I think it's it's reached a level where it
has to be addressed. Thank you. Would you like to take a vote board? Yes. So, I guess I'll make the motion that we approve 10-day emergency beaver permit to trap beavers in the Pine Tree Brook
area due to concerns of Harland road wash away standing water flooding and threat to human health and safety discussion. And I I mean human health, sorry. And I would just say that um Marina would would let us know the dates
of that. Um so it's pending those dates because she has to look at that. Is there a second? I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I I And thank you. I would just I would just add that Wall has
offered to pay the town's cost for the traffic, assuming that there was a favorable vote tonight. Okay, great. So noted. Thank you very much. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Thanks.
Thank you everybody. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks, Marina. Okie dokie. All right. All right. So, uh, moving on to number five, the healthcare capacity audit letter and
response from the state and discussion about that. And um as you know, we sent out a number of healthcare capacity audit letters um to the governor uh department of public health and um
other state people that should know about this and um we only received one response and it was from the Department of Public Health and I sent you that um and um
they haven't responded since then. So, it kind of has stalled um regarding um if they're going to be doing an audit because they have not uh expressed that they are going to do it. So, just to add a little bit to that,
the letter we had sent out was the end of January, Feb, beginning of February. We didn't get a response back till April. Um and um we had questions about some of the things that were cited in that letter and uh at the end of the letter it did say that if you wanted to
discuss further to reach out which is what Carolyn did. she reached out to who they were asked to reach out to um Sam Wong, right? And um sent an email and uh this person had forwarded the email to
somebody else saying that they would be better suited, I guess, or could answer our questions. Um and nothing, we have not heard anything back on that. And um I do think it's a a huge issue with um this. I mean, it came to our attention
from a resident, but since then, several residents have spoken to me about this um and firsthand what I see in my job. I see this all the time because I'm um I go and work in rehabs and places like that. So, I get patients coming in. So,
I see and I hear from the families of what's going on in the area. Uh my patients go to all different hospitals within this area. Um not just Milton. So, other hospitals as well. I I think it's a huge concern and I know that um
we actually have an upcoming town meeting. I would like to just let the public know what we've done with this um because I think it is really important um especially in the context of everything that's going on in town um and in terms of population growth and
things like that. uh especially if the state is not addressing this issue which um you know is a huge issue and it's only getting worse. Um and and all you have to do is if anybody's had an experience being in a hospital or know
somebody that has people lining up in the hallways because they can't get a bed waiting days sometimes. Um, and you could even talk to any of your ambulance drivers, firemen, they would be able to tell you some of this as well. I think
it's great that we have the hospital in town and that they're, you know, building some emergency room beds. I think that's great, but that doesn't serve the purpose of um, hospital beds. We've lost a lot in the Southshore in Norfol County, and there's doesn't seem
to be any plan to address this issue at the state level. So, I think it we should all be concerned about that. So, that was what I was going to say. Anybody else? What What more can we do as far as
I mean, we forums or anything? I know there's an there's a there's um there are some citizens that get together to discuss what's going to go on with Carney, which which I I don't know what's going to go
on with that building, but I don't know if there are any other forums or groups that are advocating for the same thing and can we join them? Well, I think I we know that for
instance, we when we sent our letter, Norwood reached out right away because of course they're trying to reopen their hospital. We were just trying to encourage all of the communities to, you know, get on board with having, you know, requesting that the state do an audit to see what we actually have for
hospital beds, right? And how how many were short because we've had several hospitals close in our catchment area. Um, and so at this point, I don't I think we have to sort of, you know, that's why we were trying to reach out to the state for further discussion on this. So, we were trying to do our part,
especially for our residents in our town. Um, and even residents right in this immediate area, you know. Yeah. So, I I mean, it's a good point, Laura. What do you do? Right. So, we're trying to, you know, we're trying to do that.
They're supposed to be doing it on the on the state end through the like the CDC, Boston Public Health Commission. um to you know that they're supposed to they have a responsibility to to study this and it's they have a lot of the
data. I mean you can go online and look at healthcare capacity but I don't know if they have it broken down you know I haven't seen it by week um the sort of more global numbers but I don't know what they're doing with that and my understanding was that the legislature wanted them to do something about it but
it was never signed in to law. That's my understanding. So, um I think that, you know, we're just trying to do our best to get some answers. Um because this is a really important topic. It's only getting worse. And again, if you have
gone to the hospital or know anybody and you hear the stories and you know it's it's not gotten better, it's gotten worse. And um so that's why we're trying to chase it down and trying to get some answers. I mean, Caroline, do you have anything to add on that or No, I agree
with you, Roxan. And I'm thankful that the flu season wasn't as harsh as it could have been. It could have been a lot more problems. Like you say, um we did have um a milder season, but uh you're right. There's at B Milton Hospital, they have um people
waiting uh waiting a long time to be seen and they have been lining up in the um hallways to be seen and a big loss at Carne Hospital for mental health, right? And so that's backing up into, you know, being out in the hospital
also. You're right. Yeah. And I mean, I know Southshore is, you know, crazy, too. I I've sent people there and I have stories from the families there, too. So, it's really this whole area. Um, but Milton, you know, I I hear from I I was talking to
someone the other day and um she said that her mom was there waiting for a bed like for a day or something. So, you know, I think it's it's a problem for sure. So, we're going to try to work on that. We're still trying to reach out and get
some answers. I'll reach out um to San Juan if you'd like to. Okay. Get some more answers. Sure. Sounds good. Public health. Okay. Uh number six, amend the health fee
schedule to reflect private wastewater septic system plan review. We'll have a variable fee depending on the complexity of the septic system discussion and vote to approve. I brought this to um our last board meeting about the fees and uh
right now open up my package here. Right now, a a septic system plan review initial plan fee is $100. Um, a septic system plan review for each revision is $50. So,
it doesn't compare to our septic consultant, um, Mr. Paul Bragna, who reviews our septic plans for us. And, um, it could be, as I was, um, speaking to Roxanne, it could be hundreds of dollars. So, I know Jean put together a
list of all the septic addresses and the average spent. So, the lowest is less than $100. The highest is 900. So, they us they kind of settling in around $400 or $500. I see a couple of 665s,
675, two 700s, a 910, and a 900. So, um, you know, it's not covering what's coming down to is not covering the charges of, uh, Mr. Paul Brogna
reviewing the septic system information, bringing it to the board, and having the board approve it, and u, we want to capture that, the money that's being spent. So, the proposed language and I spoke to um to uh town administrator
Nick Milano and I know that also Carolyn reached out. I'll back it up one step. Carolyn both put together a list of how how much does the other towns charge and it's it's very similar to what we're charging um and 150. Medfield does
charge 330 for new construction. NEM does charge $400 for new construction and Welsley does um charge $500 um for new construction. So um as I said Milton's about 150, Canton is 100. So
it's kind of like between $100 and $500 that surrounding towns are charging. But we're looking at some new language to put in. I'll just read it to you. I think I read at the last meeting, too.
Bear with me here. So, the private wastewater septic system review will have a variable fee depending on the complexity of the septic system review. And I know Roxan and I were going back and forth. Um, limit charge is $750.
What would have to happen is I'd have to work with Lisa Cool, financial analyst, and Amy Dexter, our accountant, and set up um a subfund. And the sub fund, let's say it would be either $500 or $750, they would upfront the let's say $500.
And depending on how much Paul Brogna charged, uh if it was only 400, we would give back a hundred. So they couldn't get the certificate of compliance in the end um unless they paid the full fee. So I guess the question is Plymouth charges
750 and I'm not sure what you wanted to charge charge 500 or 750 as I said before we've been charging about 150 but we're going to have to recoup the cost whether we charge let's say we charge 750 as I said and it was 600 we give
back um the 150 but if it was only 500 it charge and it really cost $800 we'd have to at the end when everything's all done charge the um home owner another $300 to get that certificate of compliance.
So, it's it's up to the board if you wanted to make it, you know, 500 or 750. You know, I will say another thing that I'm just thinking about in my mind, sometimes these septic plans, and my my staff know this, this can go on for
years. So they can go and they can start um um fixing their septic systems and then you know they need the certificate of of compliance to um sell it. So if they're going to be selling the property they need to pay it up in the end. So it
could go like that. I mean we could get $500 but let's say they want to go sell in 10 years. They still wouldn't have their sub certificate of compliance if they didn't pay up with Paul Bragna. So they could be like $300. We could be
waiting for money too for a couple of years because you know my staff are on the call that these septic plants and and what people can be sitting on there and not getting that certificate of compliance like right away. Some some people don't get that certificate of compliance right away and then they'll
come back a couple of years later and they'll say, "Oh, I need that because I'm selling my property." So um so it's up to it's up to the board. We'd have to um figure it out with this sub fund as I said with Lisa and Amy, but um I don't
know if you wanted to um charge $500 or $750. I mean, it'd be up to the board what they think. It seems more like we should charge the 750 and give it back if we need to in light of the fact that
they may wait several years, but they won't wait if they're getting money back or if they think they are, right? The only thing I would say is I'm calling more inclined to go at the 500
because I think it's a huge jump from what we're doing and I I guess I don't have a break real breakdown of what I know you have highs and you've had lows, right? So, how many did we do for instance over the past year? How many were 900? How many were 300? You know, I
don't have that information. Um, so well, I have it I have it here. U Jean Jean brought it. um the information today is in here. Yeah. Um I don't know if it's in here. Can you see this? I mean there is only really two that one's
900 and one's 910. And then what's the one right below that? 490 675 675 350 420. There's two 700s a 910 48. How many a year? So that's the
thing. It's interesting because in FY23 it was over 8,000 8330. FY24 9,250 but FY25 only 2,15 which is like wow. We're like we're not
getting many septics in which is very surprising but people seem to be bis so much busier in 23 and 24. Yeah. I mean if you do the 500 I'm just thinking this. So if you do the 500 and then you say that there if it's over
that you're going to be charged that and you can't get your certificate certificate. I mean it would be good to know what the breakdown was I guess because I mean if I look at these fees now and then I'm going to jump to 750 and then it just seems like a huge
I mean you know what I mean. I don't know that's just me because I'm just looking at it now. If you like if you have just on the Milton one you have 150 for new construction. Um existing system repair is like 75 plan reviews 100 plan revisions 50 per
provision. I mean if I'm going from those prices and then I'm going to 750 you know it's sort of a huge jump even if you revise it you know four times or something. And would this be I guess my other question would be would this be a
separate revolving fund for which you would pay Paul Bragna out of or how would that you know going forward end up being done? So Lisa cool I'd asked that about revolving funds and she said no it would be some kind of sub account that they would keep internally and Jean
would be managing that and Lisa would be overseeing it too. Yeah. Okay. So they have to create a spreadsheet and and um and follow it along as people are asking for the certificates of
compliance and then following Paul Brogna how much he's he's um how much he's um invoicing for properties because I'm just looking at some of these other ones like Medfield 330 and this is a higherend one, right? I think
Medfield I think they tend to have probably more of these systems than Milton does. Um 75 and then the plan review is included in 330. So I don't know. I feel like
with the exception of needm I feel like we're sort of right now in the right ballpark but we know that it costs more because we have the consultant and so forth. So, I think we should raise them, but I I just I wouldn't go to 750. That's me. That
would be my opinion. Board, would you like to u vote on 500 then? And then we can collect the rest of it um when the certificate of compliance is issued that they'd have to pay whatever Paul Brogna
um the rest of the money that he inv. Well, the question I have on that is we have to pay Paul Broadna anyway. So, where are we getting this money if they're not paying it at the time?
You know, if we have to wait five years to collect that extra $500 to or however much. That's right. Yeah. There'd be a deficit. There might be that deficit for five years, right?
How often does that happen? And do we have I guess I don't have enough I guess for me I would want to see a little bit more data then a little bit more of a breakdown on this um before we vote on it then because I'd want to know how many um
how many seem to be in the you know three 300 and under how many are you know five three to 500 how many are you know what I mean like a breakdown of how many cases over the last year for instance yeah are more of them over 500 than not yeah I mean Because if if
you're if 75% of them are, you know, under 500, then you might break even and then like the next year you might decide to increase it a little or something. I just think, you know, people are looking at this and then you're just going to jump to 750. It just sounds like a big
jump. That's all I'm thinking. If you're somebody who's a $300 one, for instance, you know, I don't know. Just my thought. I mean, I just feel like can we before we decide, can we get a little bit more data, a little more backup data on it?
Yeah, I mean, I I can next meeting. Yeah, I can put together this this chart and break it down further if that's what you're looking for. Well, I'm looking at For me, I would be looking at, okay, last year we had 2,000
systems. Um, we had 300 that were between three and $400. we had, you know what I mean? Like a breakdown of that number wise so we have an idea and maybe we do go to 700 or 600 but you
know this is this is the 2023 to 2025. Gan are these all the ones that have been broken down for from 23 24 and 25? I see Carolyn has her hand raised too. Um go ahead Carolyn. I just had a
question because I know I mostly deal with the permitting with these septics. So I know right now we have the the engineers and the installers are the ones who pay for the permit. So would they not do that anymore and the
homeowners would do it? And then I'm also thinking with the COC the certificate of compliance usually we give it to the installer when they finish everything. So, I just don't know how that would work logistically with the setup we have now with perman.
I just don't know if that would mess up how we already run things. We'd have to we'd have to work with perman [Music] I guess. So, to Carolyn's point, so who So, isn't it the contractor that pays
the permit? Usually, yes. So like uh when an engineer comes and they do a perk test to see like the rate of how much the water flows, the engineer pays that, the installer pays the trench permit, and then they submit the plans. And then
depending on how much we tell them it costs, they'll pay for um they'll pay to have the plan approved and reviewed. And then when the installer comes to actually put in the system, they'll pay it when they finish. Okay.
So basically it sounds like car um Caroline that it it's not really the consumer unless it's that cost is passed on to them but the rebate really would end up going to the installer or the
person who pulls the permit is what you're basically saying then see that's why it's confusing to do a rebate. That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's almost better if you do like Laura said, either 750 or 500 with the caveat that it for the installer that it could
cost more depending on the review because it's not really going back to the homeowner, right? I mean, that's what it sounds like. I would imagine the the price of it is passed on to the homeowner, right? But we're not rebating the
homeowner, right? we would be stuck re it's in stock but we'd be rebating the installer or the person who pulls a permit. So I I don't know we I we have to think about that then a little bit I guess because I think Caroline brought up some
really good points there on how it works right now. Yeah. I think it would ultimately well when talking to lease it would be rebating the um homeowner but then the question becomes
yeah how much is this going to cost the homeowner? Well I mean I think the question is why would we re be re rebating the homeowner when it's the person pulling the permit right? I mean I guess my question is if they want the compliance certificate it sounds like it goes to the company that
does the work right? But then why do they wait several years before they go for them? Because they're selling their house then. No, but No, but if the certificate of compliance is given to the company
that built it or Yeah. then So why don't they go look for it right away? Why wait? I mean, I understand they're waiting until they sell their house, but the company that did the work, why aren't they getting the certificate of
compliance before the homeowner pays them whatever they charge? Does that make sense or no? No, I understand what you're saying because it just doesn't make it's like why would you have an outstanding certificate a year later if the contract has already done the work and paid,
right? Right. Right. Then then the town should be issuing a certificate of compliance, right? And I imagine that the homeowner wouldn't get a certificate of compliance if it was done wrong, in which case they wouldn't pay the installer, right? Or if they did not pay
the installer, right? If they like held out money on the installer, you're not going to give it to them. But like, so it just this is a tricky one, I think, Caroline, in terms of who you going to give money back to and this. almost seems like you got to do a flat rate and then any additional,
you know, will be more money to, you know, for for these reviews and stuff and then, you know, similar to what you're doing now basically where you have these different categories, you know, maybe maybe it's a flat rate in every review or extra time is more
money. I don't know. I'm just saying I I think that actually Cameron brought up that really good point. So why I don't understand if the contractor is pulling the permit and paying the permit fee, why would why would the homeowner get
the money? Unless the unless the contractor pulls the permit fee, I mean pulls the permit and immediately asks the homeowner for the money for or prior to pulling it gets paid by the homeowner for whatever
the cost of it is. Then, but who's going to chase that down? I mean, like, would we be responsible for chasing that piece down? Like, whether it was that as long as we were getting our money, right? Yeah. I just I that's what
I'm saying. like would we want to have the responsibility of chasing down um the homeowner or the contractor or it just seems well I think the homeowner would always be on the hook at the end of the day because well to get the compliance certificate
but I'm just saying if like if if they paid it if it was paid and then we had to rebate somebody and you know what I mean like it's just it's it's a lot of work to first of all to be starting to rebate people. I think you're better off with a flat rate and
anything extra you have to pay over that or maybe u I'm just thinking the installer would be applying for it but they wouldn't be applying for they wouldn't know the exact answer of how much it would cost Paul until it was done like until Paul Brognell looked at
it. So, let's say Paul Broad spent time looking at it and then it was $500 and then they would we would tell the installer it cost $500 for Paul Broad to approve this. The installer would have to go back to the homeowner and say it's going to cost $500 for me to move
forward and then the homeowner would give um the installer the $500. So, they put it into permodise, right? But if it ends up being more than that after that point, then what? That's why we have to say it's a
variable fee depending on the complexity of the septic system. I mean, we can't tell at the beginning how much systems. There might be uh they might have to come to the board. They might have to do a civ analysis. And so it could be, you know, more than $500. I don't know if we
can leave it open, but if we leave it open, it could be, you know, $900. Then we have to kind of say like could we could we give a variable fee say ranging from 300 to a,000 depending on I mean it yeah I mean it has if it has
to be done it has to be done no matter what is right just put a description just put a description in of the different things that are involved and just leave it open-ended just
I like that that it could be 300 to a,000 because it could be Yep. Yeah. Just put a range. You know, it could be an e excess of um
whatever the highest amount is that you put for the range. You know, it can be in it can exceed that too. Well, you could make the range as high as you want. never even if it never goes above a th000 you can make it
between 300 and500 if you wanted it I mean if it doesn't generally go over a certain amount then I think I don't know yeah I mean a lot of options can we think about this for the next
meeting or do we need to decide this tonight. Um, you know, we would have had to decide it tonight because um, you know, if the if we didn't get a passing of the um, budgets and stuff um, but and um, the time administrator wanted us to
remove the $7,000 from the budget to pay Paul Broadna, but it did pass. So, the money is still in there. But I think um you know by the next meeting hopefully you'll have more information
and and make a decision. Yeah. I mean I I was you know we could think about how we want to do it. If we want to do a range like that or we want to do a number and then it could possibly be more you know however we want to do it. That's a good idea. You said that range.
Yeah that's a good idea. Yeah. All right. Um, let me, um, break down some more of the numbers and give it to you guys. Yeah. And, um, we can revisit this again at the next meeting. Okay.
Sounds good. Sounds good. Okay. All right. Number seven, I just keep this on the agenda. Um, the opioid abatement funding, spending, and community outreach. um just to let you know where we are um with uh Sky who's
our consultant. Um we've had um she's gathered all the data um with the focus groups and um she's presenting the data now. Unfortunately, I was pulled away last week and couldn't hear her presentation. She did a presentation for Emily and Ann
about what she found and then we're going to be meeting with her again tomorrow and she's going to go over um tomorrow, Wednesday or Thursday this week um to go over more information that she has gathered um in the community assessment
for the opioid abatement funding. So, just want to let you know that and then hopefully by the next um board meeting we might have some strategies of um you know the best ways to spend the money. I'm hoping that so I'll leave that on
the agenda and we can talk about that further. And any any questions about that? Okay, moving moving on to number eight, community health improvement planning, the chip discussion and vote to approve.
So, I'm just going to take a look at this plan. You all got a copy of it. Um, I'll direct you probably to the last the last two pages under the um community health improvement plan 2025 to 2030. So, this is a five-year plan
and the goals. So there was no we're waiting um to get a little bit more information to kind of finish finish this and and have you vote on it. Um what one thing that came up um the top one health and human services
consortium the responsible entities I spoke to um B Milton Hospital Laurian Maris she's the communication director and um initially she said that B Milton
hospital would um run this program and be responsible. But she kind of stepped back one step and said that V Milton Hospital would be able to provide a room, provide the food, but that um you know, we'd have to seek out, you know,
any kind of speakers or plans on that. So, I put Milton Health Department as the entity and B hospital as second on that. And I'm not exactly sure what that's going to really look like and I'll have to explore that with Lori Stillman. Uh the description is a
consortium of government and community reps who collaborately share information and address the needs of vulnerable residents. So we had to kind of change that one a little bit. Um, another one that was kind of questionable
when we're on the last two pages is the inter town transportation under responsible entities the master plan implementation committee suns setting and so we really didn't get an answer of who's taken over for that. Um, and I put
to be decided and the partnership for healthy Milton wants to continue to explore that avenue. So, um, that's kind of where we're at with that with the responsible entity. Um,
and then, uh, food and security. I did add, um, let me see. Milton Health Department, the Mass and Motion Partnership. I think that's about all the changes that we had in our final meeting. Is there anything that the board is seeing
um with that plan that they'd like to talk about? CA just regarding the intratown transportation free shuttle. So, you have to buy a shuttle, ensure insure it. Um, somebody
has to be licensed and have a special license to drive it. Um, that also probably have to be if they have elderly people in the car, they have to know CPR, first aid, and you know, kind of stuff like that. Um,
h how is that going to be free? It will have to be paid for with with um town money and residents money. Yeah. Means free to it's free to everyone in the town. It's just free to elderly or like what free I
I that's not what it you they'll either have to get grants or or it will have to come out of taxpayers money because I don't know how that will be free. I don't know. There's a lot of liabilities with that, too. Um, this I think the
cost is huge. I mean, some places have gotten rid of them. I think Denim had one and they got rid of theirs and there's a lot of misuse with them as well. So, it's like you need a lot of guidelines when you have something like that. It can't just be this
um, you know, a lazy fair kind of approach to the use of the shuttle. It would have to have pretty rigid guidelines so it would so everybody could use it for something
important, not just going across town to play bingo or whatever. It's just and what would the hours be and it's well I know that explored this with the master plan
implementation committee and I think that they may be doing some kind of a um maybe a survey or some kind of an assessment, but I don't know anything about that. Like I don't know if that was approved. Um I'm not sure what that would look like. And you're right, who's going to
pay the costs and who is going to be using this shuttle or vehicle? It doesn't say who that would be. I mean, they would be you couldn't have somebody under 18 years old. Like it they have to be a legal adult. You can't just, you
know, you you can't be it can't really be for all residents. Am I right or am I wrong? It can't be. Well, so I was on the master plan implementation committee, right? As that was one of my subcommittees. So, um
Deborah Milbower came in and she was presenting this and looking to have um a student do some research on it. like what other towns have done, you know, how did that work out? Who paid for it? You know, you all this stuff. The
problem is um there there was discussion about this, but it was going to involve money from the master plan implementation committee. And then the last meeting that I was at, there was an option to do it as like maybe a capstone project for a grad student, and it would be no cost. And that's what they were
going to do just to get some preliminary research. But I don't know, you know, I've heard they've had another meeting since I've been off and I had heard that they were now looking at some money with it again for the research. So, I don't know. My understanding from the our last
meeting before I was off of that committee was that um we had agreed that you know getting some background research looking at other towns like just gathering information what worked what didn't work how do you pay for it you know that just and maybe surveys and
things like that that a grad student could do that and there would not be a cost because we you know we didn't want to incur costs for any of that thing at that stuff so I don't know where they're at now with that and there was a question whether it would be something like a, you know, even if there was some kind of service,
would it be like almost like an Uber where you call and they pick you up and take you somewhere or would it be more like these are the stops and things? And it it's it's a hard concept to, you know, it's a lot of information, a lot to try to figure out. Yeah. And um
um it it's bound to staying in Milton. Is that correct? It would be Yeah, it was for it would be for Yeah. Yeah. I hope so. Does the Council on Aging have a shuttle for elderly? So, they do.
I mean, if it's for younger people, they can get a ride from someone, a friend or a I mean, it the attention needs to be paid to the elderly with this, I would think, not not other groups. It says it would seem like they would be
the most It says improve residence. It doesn't have any kind of age parameter or anything. So, right. Right. And I did ask um our social worker Ann Gman, you know, if people are calling to ask about rides and she she indicated
no, but she hadn't heard there was a need for a shuttle or My mother used to take the ride. The ride was great. It picked her up and took her all the way out to um Julia Ruth um adult daycare in
Westwood. It went to Winter Valley and she took the ride. Yeah. Yep. She didn't like she didn't always like it, but you know on the days where she couldn't get a ride from one of us, she had to take the ride and they
were really great. They were wonderful. And now I think the process of getting the ride certificate, getting approved is a little easier. You used to have to go over near Charles Town or over near the Bunker Hill monument and go in there and and get um go through the process,
but I think now it's it's a little more forgiving. So, um, would you like to remove that from a strategy of the inter town transportation? It sounds a bit redundant to me in uh,
yeah, I mean, I would I think I would motion to say that. Somebody else. I mean, if we did the research on what towns, maybe find out a little more about what other towns who have it, what it costs, how they work
it, all the details. Let's Yeah, it might be better to do that. Just look into it a little more. Yeah. Okay. It is a fiveyear plan. So, I mean, two years or three years down the road, we could get more information.
Okay. Right. True. Yeah. thoughts. It's like a snapshot in time right now, but things could change or money could open up and in different areas. Maybe someone else, you know, partnership for a healthy Milton could be exploring it and
they could, I don't know, get some grants in the future, three or four years down the line and, you know, yeah, get some buy in from some partners. It is expensive to run them though, for sure. I mean that came up with many
people when we talked about this at NPIC. It just you know some places that run it are more like touristy kind of places that have those kind of things. But for the purposes of what here it just we'll see what they come up with. We'll see what you know information but
it sounds like it could be quite costly because you would also need to have somebody dedicated to drive it. Right. Right. So that's an employee. And that's, you know, because somebody had said, well, you know, maybe you could get someone to donate the van or this or some form of transportation, but
then actually someone else had brought up, well, that's great, but you still need an employee, an FTE, and that comes with benefits. And, you know, that's a whole other thing. And, you know, to assess the need really a need a strong need for things like
that. So, So, would the board like to keep it in? I guess we'll keep it in and do our homework, do some analysis like Laura said. Yeah, I think the analysis would be important.
Is there anything else that's strategies or responsibilities that's jumping out at you? make it look good. Would you like to approve that then tonight? Sure. Sure.
Make a vote. I'll make a motion that we approve the community health improvement uh chip to um approve the final well vote to accept the plan I should say. I'll second.
All in favor? I I thank you. Okay, moving along to uh number nine. So, appointment of the Massachusetts Health Officers Association staff as a tobacco agent for Milton to conduct compliance checks
discussion and vote to approve. So, this is um this is Sarah McCall again who's been very helpful to us with our tobacco regulations. Um and she MHA has received um grant funding and MHA is reaching out
to NC8 all the communities to see if you know do we need any help with our tobacco inspections or our compliance checks. my staff have done the tobacco inspections and actually Sarah McAulgan um you know did help um with that last
year and um she said that she could come out again this year and go with them to at least one tobacco um establishment but more importantly um around compliance checks I don't know if you remember all those years ago Roxan when
we did we did compliance checks and that was um many years ago. So, we were able to do it once, but that's more complicated because um MH MHA would be able to handle this and this is getting
an underage um like a teenager to go into uh the tobacco retailers to try to purchase um you know, cigarettes or dip or um and and then see if they can purchase
it. And then um you know we did that once um that I've been here and it would be great if you know they they do this. That's what they do. They run these programs and they're able to bring in um
you know these underage um youth to be able to go in. They'll manage that to go in and and see if they can purchase you know without the um someone won't ask for an ID. That would be it. that would be, you know, they
could purchase the tobacco without an ID and um then they come back out with the the tobacco and um then um MHA would report to us and tell us, you know, what had happened and um then we would go ahead and find
the tobacco retail establishments. It keeps them, you know, on their toes. They should be um they should be asking for ID and so we want to make sure that they're not selling to underage residents or youth that go in. So, we did that
many years ago, but I think it would be um great again to have MHA on board um to help us with those compliance checks. And so, they sent over anou that has to be signed. I sent it to you this
afternoon and um if you could sign that Roxan come in and do that. Sure. That would be as long as the board agrees. If the board agrees.
Sounds good to me. Sounds good. Okay. It's a good vote. So, do you have that in in the office for me to sign? Yes. Okay. Yep. Do we need to take an official vote on that? Yes. All right. So, um like to
make a motion that we um appoint a Mass Health Officers Association staff as a tobacco agent for Milton to conduct compliance checks. And um how my quest Well, let's take the vote on this first. So, second on the
motion. I'm second. I'll second. All in favor? Hi. Um, so how long would this go on for? And how long is is this approved for then? For one year. For one year. And how how many So would they go out
once or twice the year? How would that work? They go out once. Yeah. Okay. Great. Sounds good. Yeah. One underage compliance check for each retailer. Yep.
And it's for a year. Good. Yeah, it's great that they got a grant. They're able to help. That's great. All right. U moving along to number 10, the health director's report. Just a couple things I just want to update you on. The first one is 68 Smith Road. Just
to let you know, um that I was contacted um by someone in the office that they said they were going to go ahead and file a permit that they were going to do some um some work at 68 Smith. You remember we condemned it last year and
um I went up to inspectional services and spoke to Jay and nothing has been filed yet. And then I went back to look to see um it's important to know exactly when they received that condemn condemnation notice because they have a
year to do something and they know the clock is ticking because Jay said that too. Um, so I looked back to see, you know, when was the certified mail delivered that they knew that there was a condemnation and that was August 9th. So, um, I talked to the state and
confirmed that today that it's when they they actually received it by certified mail. But, um, so they know it. They're they're on a, um, clock that they have to, um, submit um, what they're going to be doing to inspectional services. And I did speak to Jay to say I know our
concerns was the structural stability of 68 Smith Road as that um house or building that was once a um the school um what we're wondering you know it's been open to the elements for so many
years over 30 years you know how how uh stably structurally engineered or what's the story with this building I mean we don't want somebody to go in and start some kind of construction and the building to fall down on them and Jay said no they have to have an engineer
before they start any of that. So that was our concern before. So as I said there's nothing has been officially um submitted upstairs in inspectional services. So, you know, if that deadline comes in August 9th and they still, you
know, haven't got their engineer to to, you know, make sure that that building is is safe to go into and safe to work on, then, you know, we we'll have to um bring that to town council and we can demolish that building at that time. We can move forward because it's already
been condemned. You know, we we've been waiting and here we are at kind of at the finish line. coming along and still nothing has been um submitted. So I think the other thing yeah I mean well I think the other two other things one
is or one other thing um I had raised that point to town council I never really got a clear-cut answer from him. I think we should chase that down again. um whether or not the town if they do decide to re rehab it and they have an
engineer, the town should be able to hire a structural engineer paid for by them um that we choose to review it because um we want to make sure that it's done correctly and um just from the
past instances when we've dealt with them, I just feel that on this kind of a property, we'd want to make sure because it was it was very dangerous. I mean, we probably even shouldn't go in there. And my understanding is is that they've been bringing people in and out, contractors to look at this, which
apparently they can, even if it's condemned, they're allowed to do that. Um, but I think if they're going to do any kind of rehab, the town should have the ability to bring in a structural engineer.
So, I'll reach back. I I can I can ask that to Jay. I think that I already explored that and I did too. If they have a engineer, I mean it's the engineer's license, but it's not it's stable and it's not stable
and something happens. Can we can we just require that we okay their choice of structural engineer like could be certain only certain companies can be used something like that? I don't I I
just know that on certain projects that that we've had in tone that the tone has um sometimes been able to require the um person building that they could they would pay for the town's choice of
who they want to peer review it basically like a peer review structural engineer kind of thing. So that maybe that's the best way to say it. So appreciate all of you. Yeah. Okay. Let me look into that. Just
want to give you an update. And then 5 to 9 Thatcher Street. Spoke with the state again today. So if you'll remember, I'm not sure if you were here at this time, Mary. This is back in 2020 um when we first got um our complaint of
5 to9 Thatcher Street. Um it's the old Knights of Columbus and then there's a house in front of it. And at that time um they did come to a board meeting. The owner did come to a board meeting at we we um ordered we had a correction order.
They um corrected everything. Um they they they cleaned up the trash. They secured the building. And we actually had the abandoned housing initiative Tara Reynold out there at that time too. the um owner, maybe it was the owner's representative came to a board meeting
and the board decided that time to um close the case because they did, you know, they secured the perimeter and the case was closed. That was back in 2020. Then in 2025 in February, um there was a
complaint that the fence was um broken down in an area. my staff went out and they did see that and so another order was was issued in February again. Um the owner was contacted through their um
lawyer whatnot and they went out and fixed it again. So here we are again in uh the in middle of May again complaints about um branch trees came down again on the fence. Not only that, we had another
complaint about rodents and this property has um been more dilapitated over the next, you know, the last 5 years. The windows are broken. You can see through the houses and it's um more complaints from
um the neighbors that it's an eyes sore. And another complaint was, I don't know if I said this, the rodents um there was a complaint of a neighbor right next to the property and they said that rodents were getting into their house from from this area and yes, the grass has grown
again over the spring now and um it looks um all overgrown trees and stuff like that. So, um spoke again to the state um working with them putting together again another correction order more extensive because we found out um yet the water
has been shut off there. The electricity has been shut out there. Now there's rodent complaints. There's um overgrown grass and rodents can be in those gr the grass too. Um so we um are Emily constructed Emily and Caroline because
they went out and inspected again and we're going to send that out. um you know the highest amount of time that they can get to you know correct this is again 30 days. So after 30 days they will not be able to correct everything
that we're seeing. Um as I said everything's dilapitated and um the board will have to decide at that time to um send a letter of condemnation um to this property that's been sitting vacant for you know it's more than 5 years.
I don't know if it's 15 or 20 again. It's similar to 68 Smith, not as many years, but a long long time it's been sitting there and nothing has happened and it's just um eroding and dilapitated and it's also dangerous. It's dangerous.
Yeah, it's dangerous. I mean, I remember talking to the fire chief when I was talking to him about 68 Smith Road and I mentioned this one as well and he said, "We have those two on our radar. We know, you know, be very careful going into those buildings if we have to. But
ultimately, if there's thought that someone could be in there, they have to go in. So, it is a danger to our own, you know, employees as well. Right. Right. Who owns that building, Caroline? I remember when they when they had to shut off the water and the electricity.
I was at one of those meetings after an initial one. Emily, do you remember who you sent it out to? I don't remember. No, sorry. Bring it up here. Do they pay taxes on that building? I mean, the taxes up to
date. Taxes are all up to date and and you know it's And when we send out the letter, they do respond. Yep. Right away they'll they'll respond. They have a lawyer overseeing it. So yes, I can send that to you tomorrow and show you the new um
updated correction order, but um when we talked to the state, he said to yes, put on there that there's no electricity. It's no the water's been shut off. And you're right, it's a hazard because here again, the fence, you know, has been knocked down. anyone, any of the kids
can go in there, go in through that house, and who knows what can be going on in those those two buildings, the building and the house. So, it's it's a hazard. It's a health hazard. And as I said, that we're getting increased calls from the neighbors. They're really complaining about it and they want
something done. Um they they've been looking at this for a long time and and it's been um not being taken care of. It's a it's a health hazard. So, we'll we'll send out that um that correction order tomorrow.
You know, the 30 days and then they can um they're going to have to respond one way or another. And um the board move to condemn and that's what the state said. I make this point.
It's a health hazard. So, it sure is. All right. So, I'll send you that tomorrow. Thank you. Um, I just wanted to touch um touch base on a couple of other things. Um, just um
let you know that Sue was really busy with her camps and the pool openings are happening. There's some trash complaints that have come on our radar. 168 Brook and 172 Brook. First, we thought it was just one. It's kind of houses right next to each other. So, the good news is is
that 168 Brook did speak to Carolyn and they're going to take care of um the property. So, was I think a matter of um the occupants were putting trash into the recycling bins. They weren't picking it up. Um and then 172 had like couches
and things out in front of the the um their house and they didn't have the proper stickers or whatnot and the neighbors are complaining that things were being left there. So I do know that Marina DPW did go by and did pick up the couch that was there. So we did get a
response from 168 sent out a letter to 172. So waiting for response to that. U getting some chicken complaints 18 Pop Hill Road and a letter was sent out about that. Uh the great news is that um
our two um and I I just heard today about this Roxan are um two def uh the drug-free community project coordinators coordinators that we interviewed um we offered them the positions that's Berlin
Awatch and Ana Medi um at 18 hours each they both accepted um the positions today actually. So um that's That's great. That's great. We we interviewed them myself, Roxan and Emily and we thought that they'd be a great fit for
um the Milton Coalition and so um that's exciting. And then uh Amanda Decker um who was a consultant, she'll help us on board both of them into the position. So Amanda did come to our last Milton Coalition meeting. She was great. she re-energized the Milton Coalition
meeting and um so we're looking forward to these new um new staff and what they have to offer. So that's really great news. I'm really happy that they they decided to come on board so they accepted the positions.
I think two Sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was going to say uh to back up, we'll talk about the Botox thing in a minute, but mosquitoes um so the mosquito spraying and all of that, there used to be a process where people
could do that, go online and so is have we had anything in the paper about that or out on I think I saw something I think I saw it because I didn't it did go into the paper and it did go out through the um it's on the announcements
for the Milton um on the town website. So, whenever they send it that they're they're either spraying or they're putting down the like the granular um laride. Yeah. Yes. When they're doing that, I send it to um it they put it up
on our our website. So, with the spraying um people have to do that once a once a week, don't they? So it it's every Thursday that they can they can decide, well, I don't want to be sprayed with the mosquito, right?
They're putting out there and they can go on to the um the website and the mosquito website and then they can put it right in there that they don't want to be sprayed. Yep. So it's it's every Thursday when it starts up. I know they've done the helicopter. So I think
I even put out that they can do that. They can they can go and say no, they don't want to have that done, but they have to register their their um address right on the website. Yep. Yep. And then the Botox. Then the Botox.
Yeah. So Botox to beavers today. Botox and botulism. Yep. And beavers too. Yep. Y. So um last week we got a call from the state uh on Wednesday that there was a suspect botulism case and um I came on
Wednesday and uh they asked my staff to go I was at lunch they asked my staff to go by Rodriggo Beauty. I had never heard of them. Um so um they did go by um the office was shut down. There was not even
a um a name plate there that said it was Rodrigo Beauty. And then I asked my staff to look to see if they even had a business certificate and they didn't. But anyway, um the health department does not permit um uh cosmetology and
like nails. So, we don't permit them. We did have a call um later on on Wednesday at 3:00. The state had asked us, as I said, to go out just to make sure that they weren't operating, which they thankfully they weren't operating at that time. There was four suspected
cases and um they said, you know, the state was taking over this and that um we'd get direction from the state. Um I had asked, should I put out something about um what was going on and they said
no, they they were going to take care of it. So I said, "Okay, I'll wait for you." Um, they asked us to get more information about who owns um the business, which I was able to provide to one of the epidemiologists um uh who owned it and um gave them a
phone number and an email and then um they followed up from there. And then um on Friday I spoke to you Roxanne and we did put out they did put out a provider's notice and it was an advisory but they didn't want to push that out
further and so I took pieces of that advisory and put it into a um um really an advisory for Milton residents and I put that out on the website on Friday. Um, just taking pieces of that because I wanted to alert
people that something was going on in the Southshore. Um, we couldn't say it was Rodrigo. Now I can say it's Rodrigo because, um, it's out there. Um, Channel 5 News exposed that it was Rodrigo. It's out in the media that it is. And so, um,
they were operating in Milton, also in Brainree. So at that time on Wednesday the state was also calling Braintree and they were calling that health department to say go out and find out about Roigo in Brainree. So I haven't heard anything from the state yet. We did as they they
asked to try to get more information about um you know the building and who was who was um um giving him space to run his operation. But since that time I haven't heard anything except for today.
You know, over the weekend I found out that went up to 10 cases. Again, the good news is um we're not seeing any Milton cases come through our queue. So, they're coming from other towns that um and these people that um people that um
have been exposed to this are very very sick in the ICU. I mean, really sick. So, they called again the state um called and said like today uh any cases in Milton like have you heard anything? Is anybody calling you? And the good
news is nobody's calling us. So no one has called the office to say um you know you know I've been exposed or whatnot because if that happened we'd have to refer them again to the state. So um the good news is I haven't heard any Milton residents have been exposed but you know
I hope they come forward if they have been exposed um so we can refer them to the state. So, I'm not sure how how large this is, like what is is going to be happening with this, but um you know, at at that point on Wednesday,
I was like, you know, who do we have to tell about this? And I did tell, you know, the chair and and town administrator and I said, "Oh, the police." And they said, "No, we're going to take care of this." I said, "Okay, that's fine." But then today, um the police did come in. So, they did want to have um a conversation with myself and
Sue just to get all the information because they're following up on this too. So, um kind of been a little whirlwind um about this. So, I don't know exactly what's happened with the Botox. You know, was it um not approved FDA approved Botox? Was it from another
country? Did they inject it improperly? Was it an incorrect dose? Like, what happened to these people? So, they're going to be gathering all this information and um you know, it's it's going to be an investigation. Yeah. Because has anybody died from this yet?
Um and did they say there were 10 10 They said 10 cases. So, have they say there were any more and did they say anyone has passed from this or Well, thankfully I haven't heard that. Okay. But I've heard they're very sick. Yeah. So, we I'm just, you know, trying to get
more information from the state, but this is the first time they reached out today to say like they're creating some kind of a survey and when they create it, supposedly I'm supposed to send it out and maybe the survey will say like, you know, have you been treated by Rodrigo in the past? I don't know what
they're survey. I have no idea what this is going to look like. And so, they're they're creating something on their end, but this is, as I said, we didn't have we don't permit. This is cosmetology and this is the state. So, we don't have anything to do with this. We were just helping as we could help as the health
department in this investigation. I think it was concerning too because um when Caroline first told me about it, they were very particular about, you know, you don't need we're going to send this this notice out to providers. And I said to Caroline, I said, "We need to put something on the website, you know,
because people providers, who knows? I mean, we don't know if this gentleman was a legitimate provider or not. And that's not even the issue. The issue is more like we want to make sure the public knows what's going on. And so, we didn't have that time. We couldn't put Milton in it. We could say Southshore.
Um, and then I said to put the signs and symptoms up there, too. But I thought it was troubling to me that the state wouldn't have said put something up on your website just basic, you know, as to, you know, if you've had Botox talks,
you know, recently and these and develop these symptoms, you know, please reach out, you know, could be this or something. I It was just concerning they didn't push that because not only do they have to track Rodrigo, it's
wherever he got his stuff. Where else? What other places got got that same lot of whatever they administered? Yeah, the lots are very big and the strain of whatever was in it could have been sold
to many other places or bought right on a black market or something. Who knows? I mean, we don't know. We're going to find out. Oh, boy. Should we be permitting these people? Can we I mean that's what I was
wondering too. We can't. No, it's like the state the state the state operates and it's it's the cosmetology and barber licenses. Like the state does the nails all the nail salons, too. We don't go into the
nail salons. Oh, yeah. They have, you know, they have staffing to go in. They know what they're looking for. Yeah. Just seems like when they're injecting things Yeah. into people. You should be able to go in and just even judging
their cleanliness and whatever, you know, right? Agree. Didn't pull a business license either, did they? No. That's the first thing I said to run a business, you know. So, never heard of Rodrigo Beauty. I said, "Go across the hall to the clerk's
office, check the student, see if they have a business license." And they didn't. So, I said, "Oh, this that's not good." No. Yeah, that's not good. How long has he been at that um building? How long has he been there? We
don't know. We don't know. Okay. Well, I'm sure there'll be more information forthcoming soon, right? Yes. Hopefully not more cases. I hope not. Anything
else board? No. Nope. No. No. Want to um a future meeting date? Sure. Oh my gosh. It's going to be July. Yeah.
I don't know what my I don't know what my work schedule is in July. Let's see. What are you looking at, Caroline? 14th or 21st on Monday? Do you want to keep it on the Monday? I can't do the 14th. I'm away
then. Okay. I could do the 21st. How does that look for you, Laura? Uh, yeah. The 21st works for me. Does that Do you want to do the Zoom again the 21st?
Yeah. Does that work for you, Caroline? Yep, that works. Want to do 7 p.m.? Sounds good. All right, sounds good. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Thanks. Good night. Good
night. Good night. Good night. Bye. And the meeting is ending at 9:01. Thanks. Good night everybody. Good night. Good night. Good night. [Music]
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