I'll call the uh meeting to order at 7:05 uh for the Milton School Building Committee uh is we typically do just take uh attendance for people in attendance. So uh in the room is Scott Terishack
um Carrie and then online we'll just go as they call you as I see you. Uh Carrie Hurley >> here. >> Uh Glenn Hoffman >> here. >> Uh Mark Luring >> here. >> Uh Nathan Hut
>> here. >> Okay. Uh, Superintendent John Failen >> here >> and Dr. John Redden >> here. >> Cool. All right. Uh, second thing on our agenda is approval of past uh, minutes.
Uh, so I sent out earlier today the uh, minutes from our last meeting. Uh, so I just don't know if people had a chance to review them, if there's any comments. hearing any. So if none entertain a motion to approve the minutes from
September 15, 2025 I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from September 15 September 15th, >> 2025. Goodness.
>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> I'll give that to Carrie. >> All right. Any comment, any discussion? None. Uh so just do a roll call vote for voting members uh in the room.
>> Tim Lumber. >> Um All right. So we're just we're just voting on the minutes from Excellent. last meeting. So Scott made the motion. Carrie seconded it. Uh so it's essentially a roll call vote. So in the room, Scott,
>> yes. >> Tim, >> yes. >> Myself, yes. Online, Carrie, >> yes. >> Uh Mark, >> yes. >> Uh Nathan, >> yes. >> And Glenn,
>> yes. >> All right. Uh item number four uh new business or 4A is MSBA module one MSBA pro uh enrollment projection. Um so I think th this is the majority of kind of
why we're here tonight uh to talk about. So, as you guys are aware, we got an enrollment projection uh from MSBA, I believe, in early October. Uh and then, you know, just want to fill everybody in from a follow-on meeting that we had with MSBA
following that. So MSBA had provided enrollment projections and looked at um the enrollments for what we would need to do for uh a new middle school, grades seven and 8, a new
elementary school, and then an addition or a renovation to the elementary school at Kycco Cunningham. So with the enrollment numbers they provided uh for middle school their base enrollment
number that they had was lower than what we have today. Their number was 612 based on the documentation that they sent us. Um but at the meeting that we had with them there were additional factors that added on to this. So and it
essentially at the end of it brought the number up for enrollment to 655 students. And the way it does that is the 612 students that they did for the middle school, they round to the nearest fifth. So for 612, they round down to
610 as a starting point. Um they looked at three factors that I just call as adders for that. Um, so they they added 15 additional children or students for student migration for, you know, kids
that are are just are most likely going to stay here. Um, they added another 10 for a factor that they called out of district adjustment, which is similar. You know, if we build a new school, most likely kids are more likely to stay in
the district than travel elsewhere. And then for the housing um for the for the information and data that we provided to them for housing uh they added on 20 students. So those 45
additional students to the base 610 uh got us to 655 students. Uh so what I'll do is I'll pause there and if if we want uh for the enrollment projections, let's let's dive into the middle school component of it first and
then um we can take on the the elementary uh new school and the elementary edition after if that makes sense. So Sean, just looking at the at the enrollment process they put in the slideshow, we're we're at the point now
we're at MSBA actions or we at the district actions or seems like we're near the end. >> Yeah. So so for the in regards to module one, we're coming to the end of it. So, and I had a call with MSBA today just to
go over these numbers one more time. Uh, just to make sure anything was relating to to this committee uh was accurate. Um, the enrollment projections they gave us were initial ones. >> They're uh finalizing a letter that will
document all these options on there and they're going to issue that to us at the end of the week. Um upon retrieval of that, the town essentially has to accept it or we can challenge it. That's the point of this meeting too is to see if
there's other factors that we want them to consider to either up or reduce the enrollment. Um but once we come to a consensus uh as our committee uh and we're in agreement the school committee will also have to um be in agreement
take a vote and sign it and then similarly the select board will need to do that too once those entities do it. Um it will be back to MSBA essentially be be progressing beyond module one. timeline for that right now is they're
targeting us for their February board meeting. So, it will not be on the December meeting. Obviously, I think it's very soon. Um, and they meet the board meets every two months. Um, so for us right now from a timeline perspective,
um, they're getting this information to us at the end of the end of the week and then essentially I wanted us to kind of be prepared so that we're not holding up select board or school committee on making their decision on it. the the one
other just for everyone's information I did ask MSVA at our initial meeting and repeated it today that if we were to ask for modifications based on certain data that we think might be flawed um we don't want to do that to introduce a
delay further beyond February u and any of the questions that we have or anything that we may have will not delay it beyond February based on what they've told me today. >> Okay. So, it's it's it's it's a good opportunity for us to kind of whatever we've been diving into on our own for
this is talk about it. Uh, I'll do my best to tally up, you know, notes that we have for these or questions in in and above what they gave us and get that back into their hands. >> Sean, could I ask a question?
>> Yes, sir. So, um, you know, very recently in the last few years, MSBA has gotten very good at enrollment projections because it used to be a more of a contentious issue between the MSBA and districts because districts would bring in outside uh data points to
challenge the uh the numbers. Um so with their you know newly created way of coming up with this data do you see any holes that you feel that we have the evidence to rebut or do you feel comfortable with this number? Yeah, the the only one that that came up
to me and I posed the question if you recall at at the meeting with MSVA was their kindergarten enrollment I believe was in the 2028 uh uh school year had us coming down by 22 students and the uh
housing production plans that we sent them at that time I think had over 140 new two and threebedroom and fourbedroom units coming on. I'll if you give me a second I'll pull it up. I think that was probably one of my data points that I
was touching on and that's what led into the discussion where they brought on those adder numbers that were there as part of it. So that that's um I didn't I didn't really have a chance to further dive into how they how you know
essentially the adder number that they gave us was 20 additional students but they took away 22 so it seemed like a break even just pull that off. I'm just going to share my screen for a second.
>> Just a comment while you're doing that. Uh technical support. Um it's interesting that the number the plus 75 housing for option two that's on your email and the plus 75 housing for the um option three which were new elementary
school or renovation. uh are they saying that, you know, I assume that they're looking at the the uh the downturn of students that might go private between grades five and six or six and seven as the rationale behind the um only the 20 plus there. I'm
interested why the housing number should not be different. If the housing number is 75, then it's 75. I'm interested to I I wonder if that's a push back point, but um unless they feel like 75 of those students would come in at the elementary level, but would not would not go
further into the district's 7th through 12 um uh grades. Um and then secondly, we're seeing our enrollment at the high school jump back up in 9th and 10th grade because a lot of those students do come back. Uh but that wouldn't impact
the seventh and eighth grade um building square footage and enrollment numbers. >> Right. So So with with some of those John too, could you could you just put those in an email to me so I can have >> Yeah, I appreciate it. And let me just
share my screen to show you what I was looking at before. and just let me know when that pops up. So in school year 2027 2028 they had us at uh
350 students coming into kindergarten. The next year um it drops down to 328. And when we looked at the housing production plan that we gave them, uh, the total number, it wasund
102 new units that were coming on, there were two, three, and four bedroomedroom units. Um, so those those data points didn't correlate to me. And the reason I focused on it is you know
for these enrollment projections um the number that they use the 612 uh comes out of uh lower numbers. You have to 312 and 300 right here. Um you
have to read this data on on a slant because it graduates every year uh as it goes down. But the 302, which was to me seemed like a low number, um, when I traced that back, it it traced right back to that number that brought down by
22. Um, what they did just from taking their their PDF and kind of breaking it up a little bit, this is the nerd to me that goes into the data. Um, they they had like a basic survival rate that they said was high for kindergarten, which we
all know. uh kid parents are moving here with children entering the schools and then a survival rate above one. So this survival rate is basically the averages that they had for their projections here or at least that's what they used for their projection. Um and then basically
use that all the way out to come up to basically equate out to their numbers. So it I agree with you, John. The the way they were doing the numbers, you know, for for how they calculated their um their averages for were fine, but I just think there were a few data points.
Uh like I said, this 302 um seemed a little bit lower than what I was expecting. Um but I think pushing back on a couple of the things that you mentioned too or just letting them know that we're seeing um more students coming back into the
school will be good. So, um, I feel like I'm rambling a little bit, so I'm just going to open it for others to kind of talk for a little bit. I guess my comment would be that um I'm wondering how hard we push and how that weighs against it being at the meeting
in February and to get this up and running. This enrollment number is super important. it it does stay with us forever and it can't be challenged after the uh the amount is uh voted on. So uh it impacts square feet. It impacts so
many different things. Um I'm I'm so I'm just wondering you know what our strategy might want to be. Um if we have something solid to go with it and if not just to move on. Yeah, and that that's that's actually a good point too because
some of the other analysis I sent out to the committee too uh if you recall we I I looked at the um square foot um u baseline so what we had so for everyone's information we had a program
that we're working with before for with Arrow Street >> our enrollment number was 670 that we based it on uh and we add a square footage. Let me pull up another spreadsheet so I just don't go off.
Share. It's it's strange how when you look at at the data the two years that they're focused on the that were that the numbers drop off significant significantly from the high to the low like
you go from 363 kids in 8 or in 45 in year 2026 and then that that number drops down from 363 3 to 276. So it's 87
kids drop out in middle school. Is that in line with what we see today? That big a number? >> Well, I think that's that's how they base it right now. They look at the the kids that are leaving right now and have that as their scale factor. So they do a
look back the 10 years before >> and they look at what those attrition rates are as kids are graduating up. Um but that is so that they they look at it based on that and then make their projections based on the other numbers
that they're pulling in for birds. The um the adders that we talked about at the beginning of the meeting. Those are what they're saying is they'll see more of those kids staying than leaving. So it's like skews some of those numbers or it's
a scalar that they put associated with it. Um >> okay but >> but just to answer your question I just have the enrollment the uh local enrollment that we have here um as a as an example um we are in the current 25
26 year uh our sixth grade is 344 and when those when that grade was in fifth grade um that group was 375 so we probably lost about 30 we certainly 60. Jim mean
60 is double that. Uh I would say between 25 and 30 might be more accurate. I haven't been around for a while, but um that that does seem like a steeper deduction than what we realize from year to year.
>> Yeah, that was that was one other that I looked at and I'll just pull up the spreadsheet again just to dive in. >> Yeah, I was just trying to compare to five to eight to get a a feel for what that isn't consistent
with what it's been in the past. >> Yeah, there there's survival rates. So, when you look at these numbers every year, um you know, up till fourth grade going into fifth grade, they're about one. So, it's it's pretty consistent all the way across. And then from fifth to
sixth grade, you lose roughly 7%, 7 and a half%. And then the next year, another seven and a half%. So those are where you really those are where they're seeing the dive and I think that's one of the data points we might be able to push back on.
Um you know ju just with um some of the housing stock data some of the the stuff we have now and it's tough to look at those percentages with the adders they have to know kind of how much they've skewed it on their own with just giving a whole number as an adder at the end of it.
>> Yeah. Um but so the the other point that Superintendent Failen raised too is um you know how does this affect the um the overall square footage of our program? So one of the things that I was
trying to do that I provided to everybody is I took so we had our uh space summary that we did with MSBA with Arrow Street previously in 2024 2025
um and we looked at our our program that we had here which is on the left in blue the overall program for that had a net square footage of for the middle school only of about 84,000
square ft. We'll zoom in just so people can see. So this was kind of the overall program that we came to at 84,000 ft programmatic. The if you recall um we actually had a much larger program
before that. So through the iterations that we did in the design, if if you remember, we're at 200,000 a little over 200,000 square feet through visioning sessions. We scaled that down to about 165,000 square ft through some revisions
that the the architects did. And then we came to this number uh I I say 80 100,000 you have to take grossing factor into account and we we scaled that 160,000 down to 127,000 and we felt at
that point that was like a right size for what we were doing uh for the much deeper program dive that we did. Um the new program that we have with MSBA, if we plug in the uh enrollment number that
they provided us at 612 655 that they gave us. Sorry about that. Not 612. Through their spreadsheet, it populates what all those uh building areas should be. And the their building area net is 75,000 ft. So, we're roughly about
10,000 square ft of net programmatic area um that we're below from what we were before. Um the majority of this 10,000 square ft that we've reduced is essentially, you know, from the layout I
gave earlier were were the art and music spaces which were the auditorium I think was the big one. So, chorus room, piano lab, auditorium with stage and 350
350 seat auditorium. Um, that equated for about 8,000 or 8,600 square ft of that um program program delta that's on there. Um, the other portion of it too was essentially the gymnasium that had
some there too. Um when I looked at these in basically um those type of things because they're not reimbursed by MSVA um we could still add them into the project. We just
wouldn't be paid or reimbursed at at the rate that we're given. And that that plays into the overall uh program of the the effective rate of what we're going to get for this reimbursement as part of the project.
So I think you know for us you know while we're looking at these um it would be helpful to understand um you know at 670 students which was our previous number what that true delta was.
So I just plug that in real quick and see what comes up to the open it up to any discussion too if people have any Yeah. So, it dropped it from 9,000 foot programmatic
9,240 to 8,88. So, it's like 1,200 ft delta if we're talking the difference of 655 to 670. So for the 25 extra kids that we're talking about um you know from a
programmatic standpoint it it it's it's minimal um when we're talking score. >> So that that was why I kind of went through that analysis a little so you know whether I think our number is 655 or 670 I'm fine pushing back and getting
a higher number. Um, but I I think if it's if our push back isn't successful to bump our numbers up, um, I'm I'm pretty comfortable 655 right now from a just a building square footage that we have. And then essentially it's going to lead into
what additional things as we go through visioning program and stuff like that that we're going to add on to the project. >> John, I would agree with that. I'm I'm comfortable pushing back a little bit, but I think the square footage is minimal, and I think that if the MSBA feels pretty solid, they
usually lean on their numbers pretty hard. So, I think we're still in good shape. >> Okay. >> Any other discussion or points from members? I might have missed this, Sean, but did they share with you how they calculate
like the offsets, the survival, and the housing, the add-ons? >> I Well, I think the adders they did not uh go into as much detail. It may be in the letter that's coming or some of some of the information that's there.
>> Um, you know, for for me, it took some work. that it's almost like you have to break down their spreadsheet or or see how how they did it. They don't give you the actual spreadsheet. So, um
um but if you want happily ask the question to see see what their response is. Well, I'm just curious based on particularly how we zeroed in on 2028 and there's many large projects that are
due to be coming online and to me I'm not quite sure I agree with the add-ons for that based on but I I it's kind of like gut. Um, so >> it's it's hard to say how you disagree with it, but you don't know how it's
going to compete. >> I mean, I mean, I do agree though that for 1,200 square feet, um, I don't know what it's going to get us, but I just, um, I would feel better if I knew how that
how they kind of add on. Um, so we I don't know. It's just I don't terribly understand this very well. I'm like hanging on by a thread,
>> but um it seems, you know, I'm actually very happy that we're not that far off. It it's kind of validating quite frankly. >> Yep. Yeah. the the the component to it is
mainly for me is like do we do do we anticipate our enrollment numbers that we have as of today to go down because I think right now we're roughly about 670 or that's what we based our our numbers on um and then do we anticipate you know
in 5 years when we're you know building out this project is the number actually going to be below there the one other thing that they did say uh and this this may ring some bells with people too is they look at uh space utilization of an
85% utilization meaning like some rooms a dual purpose for certain things over the course of a scheduling um and that was something that we went through with Arrow Street and PMA previously where we're looking at spaces and that's kind of how we started fine-tuning stuff down
too um so this may have a tighter factor on there too so Um, and Mark, I see you have a hand raised. Go for it. >> Yeah, I just I agree with Carrie that it's nice to see that we're not that far
apart. Um, and I'm glad to hear from John. I think he has the most experience kind of of any of us here of having gone through this project and seeing what these enrollment numbers mean um, in terms of their impact uh, further down the line. So, if he feels comfortable,
that means a lot to me. Uh, and then again, just appreciate all the work you're doing. I I think I generally agree with all these points like our our current 7th 8th is 662. It's really never quite been that high before. This is our by far a high water
mark for 78. Um by about 10% over where we were even last year. Um so that that's I guess my only concern. I think if you look down the pipe that we were anticipating this jump because of the really small eighth grade class
last year and those larger kind of um cohorts eventually moving through the snake up through the middle school grades. Uh but at this point they are there and um unless we start getting kind of large incoming classes. I don't anticipate there being kind of the same
that same 10% increase in enrollment uh over the next so so many years. Um, but yeah, so I think overall looking at the numbers, I think if we could boost it up a little bit, that would be helpful. But otherwise, we're we're pretty darn close
and feel good about it. >> Yeah, >> I would say Sean, you know, everybody's pretty comfortable around these um to the extent that we understand them to Carrie's point, but uh I wouldn't want you to go expending any sort of political capital or credibility that
you have needlessly if we are comfortable. So if there's a risk of that and we're comfortable with the numbers, I'm comfortable with that. But if you're comfortable that this doesn't diminish our position in their eyes, then I'd say yeah, go ahead and push back a little bit. >> Yeah. Like
I think they're agnostic to political stuff, so not you know what I mean? I I my main one was I didn't want to push back to get additional square footage that causes a delay that pushes us out because one of the things our program
our 270day timeline ends on January 31st. Um they would extend us an additional 30 days if we wanted to but then we would miss that February meeting and bump us out to a further meeting. So, uh, I asked them, you know, if we
did ask for revisions or anything like that, could they guarantee it wouldn't push us out? And they did. So, that's why I'm comfortable doing some push back and stuff like that. >> One of the ones that kind of always jumped in my mind is, you know, they they round to the nearest five. So, at
612, they go down to 610. If it was 613, it would have gone up to 615. So, they I think there is some room to to do it for them. um similar to I think the consensus everyone's saying is like pushing a little bit but you know let's
let's get moving. >> Um the the other reason it's important as John mentioned too was the um the um this is our only chance to do this once we set this number and we're in agreement and we can't go back or we
could go back but it resets the whole thing and go back to module one and now we're much further out. So, um, yeah. Uh, Gary, you have your hand up. Sorry. >> Yeah, I was just going to say I think we're probably all thinking, um, on some level about the current situation we're
in and based on the analysis that they did back in the day. Um, probably. I mean, it it sticks in my head that, you know, if they had pushed back a little bit on square footage, then maybe we wouldn't
be doing this now. So, I think it I I think it's worth if it's not going to cause too much ajida um and disrupt the schedule. I do think it's just that that rounding point you made um you know th
that could be the difference. Um, so I would be I don't typically take anything on first pass. So, um, I think that there's certainly enough points here that have been made to just and there there I don't think it
would be a lot of, um, you know, I don't think it would be much brain damage to the folks to just look at our inquiries and say, "Oh, yeah, this is how we do it." You know, I it seems to me like it would be pretty simple. >> Yep. >> And then would feel good that we did
what we could to make sure that the numbers right. >> Yep. Agreed. I mean, the other one just when we're talking rounding numbers, their adders are all based in 5, 15, 10, 20. Those were the numbers that they
had. So, there could be some additional rounding that they're doing in there to bring it down. And if so, you know, keep it as a whole number and add them all up, then round maybe. But, um, if you can get them to round in five different places, there's 25 kids right there.
>> Yeah, exactly. Um, so that's fine. So, the the enrollment that they provided, just kind of shift gears a little bit, you know, uh, from that topic, it was only for the middle schools. So, the preschool component, we're allowed to set our enrollment, uh, as we see that
that program being. So the previous program that we had when the the square footages that was giving was only for the middle school. Uh we still have the separate preschool component of it. So that um for us allows some flexibility
for what we're doing there. So for the middle school, I think we're all in agreement. Push back a little bit, not too hard. We'll pick some finer points. So, uh, Superintendent Failen, if you if you could just, you know, send an email with the points you were
making, uh, you know, Carrie, if you could just send me an email, you know, asking, um, you know, how the numbers were broken down or played into it. I I can relay those to them. Uh, and ideally, if you get those done this week, uh, so I can get it into them,
it'd be appreciated. Um the other one so on a on a the middle school option they also gave the elementary school option and their number for the elementary school just for everyone's information was 495 students. So, um, again, for
just, um, confirmation of kind of validation of what we've been doing for like 6 years, they're they're seeing the the elementary school, if we were to build a brand new sing um, standalone elementary school, they would have an enrollment number of 495 on here. And
what that assumes is the existing schools that they have would have an 85% utilization factor. So they basically take the o all the enrollment, split it up between all the schools and say this new school would have to house 495 students. Um so that was that was
another that was a number I was I was actually happy with when I saw that one uh for the elementary. Um there isn't an option for the renovation or addition. Um and that number they they had was
saying 1,400 plus prek. Um but all this would be laid out kind of in that letter uh that comes to us this week. Um but I think the main one uh we'll probably push back on is the middle school mainly because that's what we have the most programmatic data on that we can you
know do an Apple status comparison. Um >> so they're going to they're going to issue a letter with three different options in it. So, it's it's essentially it's a letter. The the three options that we're looking
at right now that we have to look at through them is an addition renovation to Colin Cunningham, >> a new elementary school, and a new middle school. >> Uh I don't know if they're going to have us also look at like an addition
renovation to um Pierce, but we'll see what they propose in that letter. >> Okay. And and then once we have that letter, it just it makes it a lot easier cuz at the meetings there was a lot of discussion going on. Um and you know for me I was just trying to focus in on how
they got to the So does that mean when we when we go into the next step we have to explore all those different options. >> Yes. >> Before >> Yeah. So my understanding going into it was the addition renovation call
Cunningham as as part of feasibility a new elementary school as part of feasibility and the new middle school as part of feasibility. Whether they want us to like I said do an option for addition renovation to uh Pierce uh I
don't know. >> Okay. >> Okay. Okay. And then at the end of feasibility is when a decision is made on that. >> Correct. Yeah. We pick one and then go into schematic design which was the the one of the follow on modules to take
schematic design and I'm going I'm going off the cuff here. Take schematic design to uh similar to what we did before to get a good a hard number on it and then we'll know what the number of the projects going to be at that point. Okay.
>> The other ones. So the other one with just the reduced square footage that we're doing too potentially could be a reduction in the overall project costs. So that's one of the other ones with a smaller, you know, enrollment or smaller square footage we can look at too as we're going.
So see if there's any other questions or anything on that and just while we're talking, I don't see any. Think we did our best to beat that horse. um the project
schedule. So that you know just moving on to item four uh new business item B um project schedule 2026. So overall I think our schedule right now uh like I said is we'll be going in
front of the board the MSBA board for approval to graduate from module one to module 2 in February. Um, so I would assume we're going to on board an OPM shortly thereafter. So we'll assume
March. Um, and I'm just I'm just bringing this up mainly for future meetings and everyone's kind of schedules. Um, so I I I don't see much happening between now and February or end of January. Um, and then in March,
we'll on board an OPM. And then once we get that OPM, I think we're going to see a faster ramp up for, you know, essentially the the rhythm that we're at before. Let's see if anybody has any questions on that
other than getting a nice break till spring basically. uh >> we're not locked into going back to that same list of when when we go out and uh when we
issue an RFP seeking those proposals. >> No. So all that is scrapped. So the RFP that we'll issue for an illness project manager or an OPM uh will will be a a fresh RFP that goes on the street. Anybody and everybody can apply for it.
and knowing MSBA is kind of backing it this time. Um, when we did the RFP last time for the OPM, you we I think we had like three. It was left field, Vertex, and PMA. Um, >> might be worthwhile for us to look back at that literature that we had.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think I think we're going to I think because it's an MSBA project, we're going to have a lot more interest in it knowing that essentially the funding's behind that. you know, before we didn't we didn't have similar funding that we have now. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, if nothing else on that, move on to item five, which is future meeting dates, discussion. You know, as I was saying, I'm not anticipating
anything between now and end of January. um if something happens to come up uh you know I'll I'll I'll bang everyone to see but again I'm not I'm assuming we're going to meet back with MSBA the attendees to the meeting the initial
head from MSBA may have to have another meeting with them so that the attendees were myself Mark Lori as vice chair um superintendent failing uh chair of the selectwood Benzel and Palano. So, and
Katie Blake. I think Katie was on too. Um, so it'll probably be just those attendees. We'll we'll get this completed. Um, so as far as a future meeting date right now, we don't have much um on our books to dive into. So,
it gives us a little more freedom. So, uh, see any questions on that? >> That sounds good. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. And so last thing on the agenda is adjournment. So I'll entertain
a motion to adjurnn. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> Scott. >> Second. >> Second by Mr. Lauren. Roll call vote. We'll start with the people in the room. Scott Terishek. >> Yes. >> Uh Tim Lumbard. >> Yes.
>> Uh Carrie Hurley. >> Yes. >> Uh Glenn Hoffman. >> Yes. Uh Mark Lauren, >> yes. >> And Nathan Hub. >> Yes. >> All right. Uh that'll do it. Thank you
guys very much and h happy holidays everyone. >> Thank you. Happy holidays everyone. Thank you for all your work. >> Thank you.