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Let's start. We'll open the meeting. Uh ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Welcome to the June 9th, 2026 meeting of the Conservation Commission. Commission members are appointed by the select board to implement the rules and regulations of the state wetlands protection act and the Milton town bylaw governing the wetlands. We have two

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issues of formality. One is we invite and encourage uh participation by interested citizens uh butters anybody. Uh we just as a matter of formality though we do ask that you identify yourself because uh the meeting is being

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recorded. Uh that's part of the open meeting law. And the other point of formality is we introduce ourselves. My name is John Kieran. I'll read you right across the top here. Steve. >> Uh my name is Steve Ibvis. I'm the conservation agent. >> Uh Philip,

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>> my name is Philip Driscoll. I'm the conservation clerk. >> Charlie. >> Charlie Bosworth, conservation member. >> Arthur. >> Aido, commission member. >> Wendy. Hi everyone. Good evening. My

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name is Wendy Garpo. I'm one of the commissioners. >> Great. Thank you for and if I didn't say it in the beginning, John Kieran, also a commission member. Um and if anybody else joins, uh we'll introduce them as they come in. First on the agenda

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tonight is um a very happy uh situation. Uh that is it's very positive, although we're very disappointed to lose Ingred Batty for oh gosh, 19 years. um she was a conservation commission member and uh of

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huge benefit and value to the commission and to the citizens of Milton. So first on the agenda is actually a resolution to honor her for her service and contribution uh both to the citizens of the town but also to the to the natural resources that she's committed to and

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and devoted her life actually to preserving and enhancing those natural beautiful natural resources. Um I think she is on the high seas tonight. We did I've talked to her a bunch in the last couple of weeks. Um and she was aware of

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it that she's first on the agenda. Um but uh she said she's not sure where the sailboat will land. So she wasn't sure she could join us. Um but notwithstanding that and I actually have the plaque in my hand which is right

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here. And the resolution will read just as uh it is on the plaque and it's presented to Ingred A. Lady, PhD JD. And I'll go back and explain a bit bit of that in grateful appreciation for the 19 years of service as conservation

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commissioner and for your enthusiasm, expertise, and dedication to enhancing and preserving our natural resources. Milton Conservation Commission. The date is actually May 15th of 2026. uh the date that she resigned her

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commission. Um so I would actually make a motion to pass that as a resolution. We present her with this plaque to honor her for her commitment, her dedication, her enthusiasm and her expertise. And for the public benefit, I I want

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everyone to know that the the PhD is PhD in um the biosciences area and that is area the really her their contribution was in that area because every time we have some kind of a issue of pesticides or algicides or insecticides

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uh we're smart enough to know oh I think we need an MSDS uh which gives you the chemical components of whatever uh you know chemicals are being used to control u uh the flora and fauna and it

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didn't mean anything to us, but she knew and she knew exactly what it was, what the risks and benefits were and she was our guardian angel to make sure that we we did everything that we could to protect the environment. Um so she was a a value added. Um so that's in addition

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to her JD as an attorney. she understood the significance of uh how to apply the rules and regulations um particularly in in the area of biosciences a biochemical sciences. Uh so it's with a great deal

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of gratitude and and uh enthusiasm that we honor her for her uh her commitment and dedication to us and to the to the natural resources that we protect. So, that's the motion that we issue this plaque in her honor. And I'd ask for a

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second. >> Second. >> All right. Thanks, Charlie. Wendy, would you like to say anything? I I mean, I wish you were were here because I have just huge respect for Ingred. I always have. Um, and we'll miss her as a commission member, but she's still

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around and I'm still going to call her. >> What do you Did you want to say anything in further support of this resolution? >> Um, yes, I I would. um and and that is that um it really has been

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a honor and a privilege to um to be a colleague of hers and um and I'm very grateful to Ingred um because um she and I were friends first through the Milton Garden Club um and and Ingred recruited

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me um to to also be a part of the conservation commission. So, um, or maybe it was the other way around. I'm not really quite sure now that I It was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. Um, but but nonetheless, um, I've I've learned so much working alongside of

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Ingred and she will be greatly missed. >> All right. And I should mention too that she's put in sacrifices. You know, a lot of the public isn't aware of the fact that, you know, we go out into the field and we we inspect these sites. And I can still remember in 2013

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um she was chased by a a bunch of bees that we were inspecting the site at uh 7-Eleven Randolph Avenue which is now the site of the 40 bee project. And when we were first out there doing the initial inspection uh somebody I don't know what it was actually stepped on the

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beehive and uh chased u poor Judith Daryl Kemp and Ingred you know through the bushes. Um and it it wasn't a happy event. they both ended up in the hospital uh as a result of it. But that's part of the part of the job and she was nevertheless committed to

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continue on in her her uh journey for the conservation commission and Arthur I know you have huge regard for her as well. >> Absolutely. She will be u missed and um having a replacement with her skills on

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the board will be just on the commission rather. I was on a board meeting last night. Sorry about that. Uh will be so important because of the complexities that we're faced with in today's environment.

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All right. So, we've got a motion um and a second and any further discussion or members of the public that would like to be heard. Um seeing no hands raised um we'll take a a vote and we have to do this individually. Uh Wendy, how do you

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vote? Yes. >> Author, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Charlie, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> And I, John Cannon, vote yes. Um, so the resolution is passed and I will present this to her when uh I can figure out when she's at home and she's back on dry

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land. So, thank you very much all and our our gratitude to Ingred. Um, certificate of compliance for grading and planning. This is 1365 Canton Avenue. Uh, do we have the presenter here? present.

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>> Who is that? >> Hi, >> Alexander Graham is on. >> Ah, great. Sander, thank you very much for being here. Thanks. >> Hi. >> You're on, sir. >> Um, sure. M, would you like me to share

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my screen? >> Yes. You may need an assist from Steve Ibis, but I think you're ready to go. >> Okay. Go ahead. try to >> Yep. Oops. I almost raised my hand. There we go. I just sent a request.

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>> Yep. Just said okay with the request. >> So, try that now, Sam. >> All right, let me try again. Here we go. Good. Um. >> Oh, great. Thank you. You all see that?

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>> Yes, sir. >> All right. Um, so this was some restoration work for some grading that was done in the rear yard within uh 100 and slightly within the 50ft buffer of a border boarding vegetated wetlands. Um it's our understanding that the

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homeowner uh Sabri Torqui was um in discussion with uh the conservation agent regarding these plantings and so he advised us to submit the certificate of compliance. He placed some uh I believe we have eight fruit trees in the

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in the back. Um and then they regraded this area as well which was a part of the original application. But that was all that was really to this um application here. >> That's at the western corner, right?

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>> Yes. Yep. West. Yeah. Northwestern. Yeah. More like the western corner of the site. >> Thank you. >> And uh I know we issued it. We've been out there. We took a look at it and I think there was some changes made to our pleasure uh you know that is that there

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were um changes that we we had suggested. So there was good cooperation uh from the applicant and uh do we have the I know we've got the attestation for substantial compliance which is what we need. That's great. Uh do we have a

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sufficient period of time for survival? You know, >> we have a >> I don't think so. >> What's that, >> John? I I don't believe so. They they you need two years, >> right? >> And these were just put in the question

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and it's it's a reason, >> but the order conditions was issued on uh 121823. So, I actually have no idea when they were planted. Um but did do you know that, Sandra? >> Um I may need to ask the I believe the homeowner is here. Sabri. Yes.

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>> Would you mind speaking to when those were planted? >> Yeah, that was a plant uh 2000 uh like 23 like the like the end of the fall

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of of 23. Okay. I've got I'm looking at the septic plan here. Although it would be the same one. We've got last revised um 61423. So you you think they were planted in uh late fall 23?

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>> Yes. And you've got you've got two years. So um >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I believe Mr. Steve here was uh he see it before we did the right before we did the plant a few times just to have his

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eye on it and he say everything looks good. >> Okay. I'm sorry. What was that that you were referring to? He referred to me, John. >> Oh, okay. Got it. >> Steve Ibis. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, so if it was done in 23 or

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even 24, we've got our our two years. I I knew it was relatively recent. Um, are there any questions? I There are two parts to this uh request. Um, because we've got the septic system component, we've got the uh planting component. Right now, we're just talking about the

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planting component, but if we've got our two growing seasons or two years, um, then I'm comfortable with this. Steve, if if you were I I know the plant list was good. >> Yes, >> because we talked about that. Any uh questions from commission

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members? None. I don't I don't see any. So, please speak up. Um, are there any butters? I can't see the the people out here. Are there any butters that have a question on this certificate of compliance? And I definitely can't see

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anything. Could you uh could you take the screen down and then I can see the other people? >> Yes, >> I would miss a hand. Okay, I see no hands raised. >> All right. So, without further disc, is there any further discussion among

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commission members? And if not, is there a motion to um issue the certificate of compliance? This is for the the landscape and the replanting plants. Is there such a motion? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Charlie. Is there a second? >> I'll second. Sean.

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>> All right. Thank you, Arthur. Uh, any further discussion? Hearing none, seeing none. Uh, all in favor? I can't do it that we'll do it individually. Arthur, how do you vote? >> Yes.

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>> Wendy, you're on mute. How do you vote? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Uh Charlie, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Thank you. And I, John Kieran, vote yes as well. That's the first part of it. Xander, can

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you give us the second part? >> Sure. Um, would you like me to share my screen again or I think you got it here. Hold on. >> Yes, please. That would be great. >> I think I should be able to. Hold on. All right. So, for this one, I'll direct

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your attention to the eastern portion of the site. This is for the uh septic system only. Um it was placed right around in the exact location where it was proposed. Um just on the outskirts of the 100 foot outer riparian here in

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the rear yard. um about got about 17 uh2.9 ft at its closest point, which is about in line with what was proposed. Um and it connects to a tank uh located

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just about outside the 100 foot outer riparian zone as well. Um and yeah, that's about it. My my memory is that we did some grading changes there when we were on site because we did do a site visit there. Am

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I correct on that? >> Um I believe I've heard of that. I didn't work on the original project, but um I believe some grading changes were done. Yes. Um >> but those will be on the on the >> Yeah. But plans were

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>> and your stationation is in conformance with the approved plans as I read this. Yes. >> Are there questions from commission members? >> I don't hear any. And I Arthur, you've got your hand up.

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>> No, fine. Thank you. I'll move to adopt. >> All right. And let me just ask if there are others or members of the public that have a comment or a question first. >> I hear none. And I see none. Um, Arthur, your motion was made uh to issue the

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certificate of compliance. Uh, is there a second for Arthur's motion? >> Second. >> Thanks, Charlie. Uh, any discussion among commission members hearing none. Um, Wendy, how do you vote? >> Yes.

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>> Arthur, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Charlie, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> And I, John Canon, vote yes as well. We're good to go. Xander, thank you very much for your presentation. I think we're good to go. >> Thank you. And I'll actually be on for

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the next one, too. So, you're not not done with me yet. >> Can you take that screen down? >> Yep. >> Okay, good. Thanks. All right. So, next on the agenda is um this is number four. This is certificate

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of compliance at five Cbury Lane. >> Do you have that one, Xander? >> Yep. That one is also me. I will bring that up. Um, so this is a certificate of compliance for a pool plan. It was done

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way back, I believe it was proofed way back in uh 2010. Um, so we're here closing it out now. Um, the pool is more or less put in the correct spot. Kind of there are two iterations of it. If I look back in the history, they

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originally wanted it a bit closer, but then I mission must have decided that a diagonal um layout was better to keep it more out of the uh 50t buffer zone. So that's what was done. Um and then there was a dry

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well installed for the pool backwash, which we confirmed was installed by the pool company. Um and yep, that was it. So, can you just walk me through that? You know, one of our concerns and it's been a historic concern that we don't

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want discharge from the pool, you know, and I don't even know is this one. I can't remember if this one's, you know, chemical broomemide or chlorine or what or is it salt? >> I am not sure on that, but um we did

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confirm that the So, we do there is a drywall that was installed. Um it's outside that that's our concern because you're right close to Balls to Brook and we don't want any discharge or backwash from the pool going in the brook. >> Um but that that would have been part of

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our order of conditions because we've been very consistent on that issue >> for the last >> Yes. Um yeah, I mean I believe that's satisfied. um especially with the with the drywall that would um transfer every

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any backwash um away from the brook. So, >> okay, just help me out. Can you just show me where that I've got I've got it in my hand? >> Oh, sure. Um >> where that that dry well is? >> Yep, it is. Um that dashed rectangle. Um

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it's Sorry, where's my compass? It's a south southern side of the property. Um, right along the property line here. >> All right, that's that's what we need. All right. Any uh questions from mids on

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this? >> And John, I just wanted to mention that I've seen it, so it's there. >> This is Steve. All thanks. Yep. All right. Um, any other commission members with a a question or a comment

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or a concern? I don't see or hear anybody now. Can you take that down um for us so that I can see the rest of Oh, I was just concerned. I want to see if there are any hands raised from abuters or members of of the public. Um, seeing none,

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hearing none, and on the basis of your attestation that it's in substantial compliance with the approved plans, is there a motion to issue the certificate of compliance? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Charlie. Um, is there a

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second to that motion? >> Second. Thank you. >> Thanks, Arthur. Any discussion among commission members? Hearing none, seeing no hands raised, we'll take a vote. Um Wendy, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Author, how do you vote?

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>> Yes. >> Charlie, where did Charlie go? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Perfect. Thanks. You disappeared. All right. And I, John Kieran, vote uh yes as well. So that's unanimous. You've got your certificate of compliance, Xander, and we thank you for your

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presence here tonight. >> Thank you. Unless you get another. Do you have another one? >> No, that's the last one. >> That's the last one. Okay, good. Well, thank you so much for your attendance. >> Thank you. Have a great night. >> Thanks. You too. Uh, next on the agenda, we're up to number five. Notice the

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intent, 515 Blue Hill Parkway. This is continued from May 2nd, 2026. That was a sitewalk and I think there were four of us present on the site. Uh, Garrett, I think we were there with you. Um, >> yes. >> Um, and thank you very much. I know uh that Philip was good enough to send

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around your uh recent um description what what do you call it? We just I just printed it out in my hand. I have not read >> the eco. Yes. And I apologize for that. Um I I got a notice that said we were on

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at a different night and then um and I know Philip's been busy and he's he's had medical issues and stuff going on so I know how that is. But I when I got the notice today, I panicked. I had the plan relatively ready. I had a one question we were trying to answer. So, I just put

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it together so we could talk about it this evening. So, I didn't want to slow things down. So, um and I I know it's a little so I apologize for getting it in this afternoon. Um so, um but if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to discuss it a little bit so that we could at least

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talk about it this evening. >> Yeah, that's perfect. And for the public's benefit on May 2nd, I think those present um including myself, Arthur was there, Hans was there, Tom Palmer was there. Uh Wendy, I don't think you were present. This is 515 Blue

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Hill Parkway. Um I believe that's correct. Um so some of us have some knowledge of this. Um and one of the big issues for us was the tree removal um in the back and we asked you for a tree survey which you gave to us.

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>> Um And uh you I think you're familiar with a policy of replacing the circumference or diameter, however you measure it, it comes out mathematically to the same way that you have to replace the trees that you removed within our jurisdiction. And

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it it's a pretty hefty amount of trees. Uh have you discussed this with the applicant? >> Um more or less. Yes. They they knew that they had to replace them. So, I'm trying to um basically what we did was when we

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were out there, I recall we spoke about, you know, put as I was going to put as many trees as I could out there. So, I with the spacing that I have, I tried to get as many plants in as I could. I also used a ton of shrubs. I don't know how you feel about those. Um but um

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>> we like shrubs. >> Yes. So, I tried to do a a thorough ecological restoration as we discussed on the site. Um, I do believe because there is a lot of when I was out there, I saw a lot of uh Japanese knotweed popping up. Um, I would like to try to

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get rid of some of that prior to putting the shrubs in because I have a feeling unless it's constantly mowed, uh, which is going to be difficult with all the small shrubs in there. Um, it is just they're going to overtake everything and it's going to die out and that'll come before the two years. I'm familiar with

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this process. Um, I do this often. I had the situation happen to me recently in Brainree. So I want to make sure we can at least address those and at least manage them if not eradicate in the not in the wetland just in the buffer cell.

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>> Now that that makes perfect sense to us and I we we're well familiar with notweed and how uh >> prevalent it is and and how insidious it is because it it go it it goes everywhere. >> Yes, it does and it's difficult to control and manage. Um so we we do

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appreciate that. Um but as I as I eyeballed this I came up with um I think you were using diameters and there are what 11 trees >> 11 trees. Yes. >> U and I came up with 339.25

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in. And um if you do it by diameter and you replace you know 3inch trees that that means you've got 113 trees to replace. Um, and we have a we passed a resolution I don't

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know sometime in 2025. I think it was the summer that is $700 a tree. So, what we're trying to do is get people to put the trees back where they came from. But, yes, you got a pretty limited >> piece of property there if you're

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putting two houses on there. Um, so you don't have a lot of space. So, and again, I'm ballparking the 113 trees at three inches each. Um, and by the way, the shrubbery, we have a six

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to1 ratio for you can trade a tree for six six shrubs. Um, but it's it's still a lot. And just my ballpark, you know, thumbnail mathematics here, if it's $700 a tree, and that's what our replacement

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cost is. If you can't put them on the land or you can't, you know, identify a public place, we'll help you do that. If you can put the trees somewhere else, um, that we're all for that. But otherwise, it's a $700

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um replacement per tree cost. And 113 times $700 is $79,100. Um and so I don't know how how much you can reduce that by your landscape plan

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by putting them back on the site. Yes, I put >> I put 112 shrubs on there and 46 trees based upon um 6 to 8 foot spacing for shrubs and that's usually my higher

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density. Um and then uh I used 10 to 12 feet for the trees. Um, and then I brought some out further into the yard and I tried to go around where the subsurface um, storm water um, the infiltration units would be located. So I moved

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around that so there wouldn't be issues with that in the future. So that's sort of what I came up with. Um, so uh, if you look at the planting plan, you'll see that there are quite a few. It's 112 shrubs and 46 trees. Those are

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the, you know, uh, replacements. >> All right. So, I just quick math. The the 112 shrubs as six per tree. You got credit for 18 trees there. Plus 46. So, you're up to um

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64 trees. 64 from 113. Uh, we're making some progress here. This is good news, actually. Um, yeah, I didn't want to go crazy. I I you know I could have put more but I I'm trying to be realistic uh of what the density should be and then what would

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work and also you know as far as not putting over basically right up against the house. So there is a little bit of space not a ton but enough and then you know with for the uh storm water system underground area and then we have uh the

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whole 25 ft buffer zone is pretty well the most the majority of it is pretty well hammered in there. So, we brought it out into the yard and we're also fixing all of that area behind there that was up to the wetland boundary that was um degraded with the invasives. So,

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that's how that works out. All right. Well, you significantly reduced that that cost of the homeowner developer. Um so, that's good. I mean, but we're not we're actually not really we're only interested in the money because it helps

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us replace get trees in stock to replace elsewhere. >> But um I I think your plan is reduced significantly the financial uh commitment by the applicant. >> Um so I'm I'm thrilled to see that you

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got basically 64 the the equivalent of 64 trees. That's pretty helpful. Um, >> all right. Now, can you tell us, um, I'm just trying to think of the other concerns we had. We walked the back

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line. Uh, we approved the the line when we were there. Um, and, uh, our concern was primarily the the tree replacement, but tell us about what you've got here in this that that which you produce tonight. Just kind of walk us through what's here.

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>> Yes. Um, as what you may not know is I've I do a lot of ecological restorations. I do them even for Mass DOT. Uh, this is one of the areas that I'm pretty well known in. A lot of the commissions around here are familiar with me. I have one of the few wetland

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replications with Mass DOT that was chosen in the last lottery to be reviewed as far as being successful. I know that's not what we're doing here, but um I pay attention to the detail and I always make sure that these are successful. Um because a lot of people

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don't put the time or the effort into it. I only work with a couple of contractors typically that uh are actually ecological uh restoration contractors. So um usually uh we have a very standard we have very standard

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protocols as far as uh the identification um weeding and then uh cut and treat and the removal of all plant matter invasive plant matter. So basically what we do is

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we'll pick an area. We don't just run out and go all over the site and start ripping stuff up. We'll start in one location, set up a transsect. transexs usually uh 20 by like maybe 50. So, you know, that size and we'll go down that

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20 foot section and we'll identify the plants. Um the removal team will be right behind us and we'll point them out, show them to them. We actually train them and make sure they know what they are. Most of the teams I work with know what the invasives look like. So, we walk down uh we make sure that they

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see them and then they weed the ones that are supposed to be weeded like um garlic mustard or um the uh there's some mug wart as well in in couple of patches. So, if it's in a large area, we will typically treat it. I I think it's

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small enough on the site we don't need to treat. We can weed it. Uh so we remove those and then um anything that's small any of the shrubs that are small seedlings those will be removed as well meaning weeding and any of the large ones we'll cut the material off place it

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on tarps that are adjacent to where we're cutting and then um all the other material gets dumped on the tarps. We then take um where it's cut, we have a herbicide applicator, not spray, just dab on the directly on the basil area and that's it because we do not like

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using a lot of herbicide. That's something I'm against. We never use folure or spraying ever. So that's >> what what do you use as a chemical? >> Uh there is glyophate and it's usually uh Roundup Pro or something along those lines. There's there's two that are made

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by Roundup and I don't like them, but we're not um spraying them anywhere. I I generally have there's one herbicide applicator I use that works with NN landscapes and he actually takes a uh paint brush like a foam dabbing brush

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and he has a small like a 250ml beaker and he just takes the uh herbicide holds the beaker over the area just dabs it brushes it against the side of the of the beaker so it doesn't drip and then he just dabs the the areas that were just cut and that's it. We're very very

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careful with herbicide because we don't want to get it anywhere. >> So that's typically what we do. >> Let me ask you a question. >> Yes. >> Does that you just described does he use any kind of a breathing mask when he's dabbing the Roundup Pro?

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>> He does and he uses gloves as well. So he has gloves on. So he's protected and he's only just dabbing it on the base. So this is a pretty standard procedure and we don't do it with all the vegetation. It's only the ones that we cannot successfully remove from the

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ground. So, usually it's we use uh weed wrenches on certain things and um it's only like the larger stuff. Usually one to one and 1/2 in in diameter um or actually/ inch plus depending upon what it is. If it's something like uh

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oriental bittersweet, we're probably going to have to cut and dab that at the base. So we typically leave 3 or 4 in you know of a basil area for the for the plant and then just dab it on on the upper surface the cut surface. That's it.

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>> So that's how that works. >> Um and then that's it. And then we we do the we keep moving the transsect along till all areas are completed. I go through inspect again just to make sure there's nothing missed. there's no material plant material like there have been any berries or anything that have

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been dropped or discharged from the plants that are on the ground and then once that's done you know I I basically say it's good and we're done so that's important >> where do you remove the um the treatis I mean where does it go

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>> there are two methods that we use we can either um put them in contractor's black contractor's bags and solarize it at the site we're not going to do that here Um, we typically put it in large black contractor's bags and then we often take

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it to Robert Bau on the Cape who has um they're one of the contractors that handle invasives. So, we bring them to them. They actually um put they have uh concrete bins and they produce asphalt

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at their site. So they'll take hot asphalt, the leftover, and they'll put it in the bin, and they basically put it around the plant material, cook it, and then they continue solarizing for about 6 months. And then after that, they um I

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don't know what they do with it, if how they discard it or what they do with it, but it's they cook everything. And then the bin, I think it's 500° the asphalt. So, uh, it cooks it cooks all the invasives >> and then solarize it with clear plastic sheeting after that.

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>> That's their methodology. >> What does solarize mean? >> Solarize. So, basically, it's taking the invasives and they're covered with either sheet plastic or in black bags and they're left in the sun so that um

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the sun will uh shine down on them and literally cook the plants. They um when the the sheet plastic is four mil mill uh mil plastic so it's thick. So they do that with the con with the asphalt below it. So that's how they cook it at their

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facility. You can also cook it in uh the contractor's bags. So we leave it in at least 6 months and that's during the growing season to so that it gets properly cooked >> and the 500 degrees doesn't melt the plastic bags. I I think they take it out

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of the plastic bags at that point. >> So, because it's in the asphalt and then I think they scrape it up and then they put they spread it very thinly and then put the four mil sheet clear sheet plastic over it. So, that was their protocol how they do it. So, we send it

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to them once we remove it. >> And what's it called? Robert um >> Oh, Robert Bour. Their contractor out of Haritch on the Cape. So, we used to take it to uh Gopes and he would do it, but um they uh they sold

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their facility, so we tried to bring it back there, but it's $4,000 a roll off. So, uh it got pretty expensive. >> So, I'll take it to Robert Bower now. >> Wendy, what's your reaction to this?

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Well, I wanted to ask you, Garrett, um you if I am understanding you correctly, I you I thought I heard you say that you'll just be doing it one time. >> Oh, well, no. Um I will finish the one round like the first time. So, we

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>> Yes. So we typically do this has to be mid August to mid-occtober because of the uh sounds like from what I heard earlier you understand plant uh biology. So you know the sap's running downward. So yes we want to tap into that. So when

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you cut it at the basil area that's why you dab it then because typically uh it'll take the herbicide into its roots to store with its sugars to try to grow from get energy from in the spring and doesn't work so well. So it's a a very successful way of killing invasives.

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>> My understanding Garrett is that it's that one application is often not enough particularly for some of the more stubborn species. >> Yes. Yes. So if in the report which you have not had time to read um I put it I

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explain in there that we usually do it um once then we come back in this that following growing season >> and we will weed any small uh seedlings that pop up and then in the fall if for some reason someone pulled a couple of seedlings and they were attached to a

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larger root that we that didn't die from the first time or something else popped up >> we will then hit it again and we do not plant until we get 80 to 85% reduction of the invasives. So we do that on purpose because we

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don't want to put in the restoration plants and then it's a basically a jungle with invasives and restoration plants. >> So that's we do and then once we hit that level we move quickly. We get the plants in. >> So we will have to order them in advance but we typically can hold off if we have

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to hold off six months to plant. So that's usually what we do. order them in the winter for the following year. And if if it looks like we haven't killed it significantly, we will continue to hit it. I have had 50-year stands at Elm Street on the on the Manadequit River in

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Brainree. Uh the contractor I use N in landscapes got rid of them. When I say rid of them, greater than 96% reduction and it was a forest of Japanese knotweed in between two and a half and three years. So the commission was kind of

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they they they couldn't believe it but it was there for 50 plus years and we got rid of it in about two and a half to three. There was a small amount but then the owner the developer of the property didn't like our costs so he got rid of us and then it came back several years

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>> as you know that'll happen. We were so close to having it gone. But yeah, that happened and you know the seed bank can pop up. So a couple years for this much less amount >> um you know to kill off the the the remaining amount if you're completely eradicating it. I don't know if we can

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completely eradicate it here because there are some Japanese knotw weed further off the property and on adjacent properties. So I'm thinking it's going to be more >> uh significant or reduction and then some type of management. Does a homeowner does a homeowner

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understand that your work won't be 100% effective and that there will be required maintenance and vigilance to stay on top of that? >> Typically the way we do this is we will

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go for our year or two of monitoring. When we come to request the certificate of compliance, it's usually noted in my report that additional um management will likely be needed or is needed and

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at that point we can, you know, have a condition in perpetuity. So, you know, just continue. So, um that's what I'm thinking. >> Yeah. Okay, >> that makes sense.

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>> Yes. Um, you know, I I am I am particularly concerned um for that the homeowner understands about the notweed and how how

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destructive it can be um to not just the ecology but to the structures that they're building. Um >> okay. Uh yeah, you know, it can pretty much

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break up asphalt and concrete. >> Yeah, it's crazy. >> Roots. Yeah. And they can go down 50 feet, which I >> we had one stand on the Taton River. Um I was working with the US uh uh the um what do you call it? Um uh

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Natural Resource Conservation Service. Uh it was a farm property and it was you know it's a scenic river, the Taon River. So we had a stand that was there. I don't know how long, but it was the roots looked like it it was just this big nodule in the ground and the crew

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went in and they took machetes to it and they had to cut the whole top of it off. And then they they did put um >> they did put the herbicide on it only on top of it and they let it uh sink, you know, sink in. These were roots we think are down about 50 feet and then they had to put another application on. We didn't

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touch it again. It did die and it was on right near the bank of the Totten River. It was on in uh old farmland. So, >> wow. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you, Garrett. >> You're welcome. >> All right. Any other qu I'm really

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disappointed that uh Tom was not able to attend tonight, Tom Palmer, Garrett, because he's actually very interested in particularly notweed uh remediation. Um, and I um

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I'm just I I don't want to slow you down. Um, and so we we'd have a I guess a reason. We just got it. And I I know I haven't read it, but from your description, it sounds like it's pretty it's what we need. Um, but I haven't read it. I I would love to continue the

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hearing so I could read it and get Tom Palmer involved, but I don't want to slow you down. I that's that's not my point. So my question is this. Um, you've got really two paths because you've got a demolition permit. Do you have that permit yet from the building department?

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>> I honestly I don't know. I have not been privy to what uh that as those aspects of the project. Um, I only am working with you guys. So that I I'm not certain about the demolition permit. >> All right. Because one of my thoughts

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was I would love to have time to read this. Um, and I know Tom Palmer would like to be able to read it. >> Again, from your description, it sounds like you we'd be in favor of your remediation plan, but I don't know, not having read

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it. So, would you be uh I mean, I know you represent the applicant. The applicant probably wants to move fast. And if if they would object to our continuing this for some period of time that I don't I don't even know if we've

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got a a meeting. We usually have two meetings u in a month because we have a site visit. I don't know if we've got a site visit coming tonight. Um but what's what's your take on continuing this? Because if if you object, I would I would say split it and just go forward

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with the demolition part of it and we could hold this part for the construction portion. >> Um I'm like I said, I'm uncertain. I I would be in favor of that and I completely understand because I got it in later, you know, I I got it in today. You didn't have time to review it. So I

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completely understand that. Um and and also uh this might interest Wendy and whomever is interested in uh native plants. I'm actually starting a native plant business. >> Barely. >> Yes. Because there are, as you probably

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know, I do 30 to 40 ecological restorations per year and we run out of plants so quickly of the natives. So, um, my business partner who is a landscaper, you know, he's ecological restoration contractor and he did greenhouse work and some agriculture.

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Um, he said, "You know what? I'm tired of this. Let's just get let's just do this." So, we're starting um we have a lot of clients that have land that's being destroyed. So, we're going to grab some of our stock right off their sites before they bulldoze. So, we're actually

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that's what we're doing with the plants. So, um a lot of it too is in Plymouth because I I work with Sustainable Plymouth. So, they're all in support of it. So, and I work with a little bit with Southeast Pine Barons Alliance. So, they're they're also in favor of it. So, we'll see how

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>> Wow. Um, Garrett, is your is your new company um um far enough along that we can find a website or something like that? >> No, not yet. Um, it's going to be next year. We are grabbing the stock right

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now and I'm actually speaking with a few people in one of our state rep and uh one of our state senators uh to see if they can help us allocate some land. Um the town has some things available and we're interested. So, we're going to speak with them to see what's available

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that we could maybe get a cheap lease or relatively inexpensive to purchase. So, um we're moving on this. So, we're going to move pretty quick. So, we're getting donations for the plastic plant containers because we're reusing them. So, it's all everything's being recycled

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and reused. >> When you say the town, you mean the town of Plymouth? >> Plymouth. Yes. Yes. So, I I uh I used to live there. I don't right now. I'm going through a hellacious divorce, but uh I will be back in a couple years. Um and I still am I wasn't leaving Sustainable

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Plymouth. I volunteer. I told them I would do all these different things. I wasn't going to abandon them. So, I just I continue and I I'm coming back and they're trying to help me come back as fast as I can get back. >> It's good. >> I also used to live in the town of

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Plymouth, Garrett. Um and the the Plymouth County um is it the sheriff's department? They have they have a farm there at exit well used exit five. >> Yes. >> Obery road I think. Yes. >> I would think that you would be a great fit for what they're doing there.

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>> I would and actually the the nursery is a stepping stone and I also have a a storm water unit that collects rain water and you can use it for irrigation that I'm working on. I need to do these two companies, these two things. I'm trying to get to my aquaponics farm which is 45,000 square ft but it cost

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3.7 to 4.2 $2 million >> and since I'm going through my divorce right now, I'm a little, you know, going the opposite direction, not forward. So that's what I'm doing to get the money to do the aquaponics form. I also work with UMass LOL, so they do a lot of the

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research for me. So >> uh what do you think about if if we continue it? We have a regular meeting. Uh Philip, when when is the next meeting? >> July 14th. July 14th.

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>> If that's too long for you, um, we might try to split this. Uh, because I'm assuming that from a construction point of view, the demolition is going to take some time and permitting. I My my point is I'd like to get a little bit more time, but I don't want to delay you unnecessarily.

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>> Okay. Um, we would be open to to splitting it. No problem. >> All right. What do you What What does the board think? Um, AA, do you have any thoughts on that? >> Um, I'm very flexible on this, John.

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>> Okay. All right. Because the not the notice of intent really doesn't have a lot of detail on the demo. Doesn't have any detail on the demo. My only concern with that would be that um that we would require that which the building

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department has to require. Uh, and that is if there's it's an older home, so I'm sure there's a asbestous in there somewhere. So, they have to have, you know, asbestous control as part of that demo permit. And that's something that we would require, too. Um,

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>> why why don't we do it this way? Maybe we can coordinate with the um I've got a meeting coming up pretty soon with Mike White. Uh, and I I'm just trying to not slow you down with the bureaucracy. Um, why don't we do this? Why don't we

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continue it until July 14th >> and then I'll talk to Mike White on from the demo permit side and if you fellas need it uh if necessary we can have a um >> special meeting

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>> site visit. We can do it. A site visit would be like this. We we just have to do it. We just have to have open meeting law compliance. But I'd be willing to put this on if there was some kind of necessity to move it before July 14th. Um, so why don't you check, I'll check,

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and if necessary, I'll get back to the commission and say, "Look, we need a a quick meeting on whatever, you know, two weeks from now." And we just a meeting like this uh on Zoom and and that that way we're not unnecessarily delaying you,

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>> right? and retire with the calendar that Garrett was talking about in terms of the invasive control as well. >> Yes. Oh, yeah. No, you'd be in complian with it because you were talking about August, right? >> Yes. Um, we we would start uh we would go out be mid August. Do the initial

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weeding and the and the cut and uh cut and treat. Yes. So, anywhere from mid August. We'd like to do it with the initial weeding probably mid mid August to early September because for the initial one. So that would be our goal.

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>> So we'd have time on that that side of it. >> Uh but January >> what's that? >> I was just going to say by planning on July rather that gives him a a planning window. So that takes him through August September. Yeah.

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>> To wait any further. Yeah, it's probably I just don't want the system just to, you know, interfere with payment construction plan. >> Um, why don't we do that? And if just call us, call me back, talk to Philip, and if we need to, we could schedule a

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quick meeting to split it. But splitting it would would also require some asurances uh in some special conditions that the the abatement during the process of demolition because that that would that's within our jurisdiction as well. Uh we we'd

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probably end up deferring to the building department on it because I know they've got the state rags right in front of them for the demolition part of it. But we would require the the same special conditions that they would. So that does that make sense to you?

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All right. So if you need to uh we can come back and we have a special meeting which we often do for and we may do it anyway uh for a site visit. So why don't we leave that open put it for Philip if you could put it on for July 14th and then Garrett if you can call us back if

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you need a faster meeting. Uh we'll cooperate with you that summer vacation period too. So we want to plan for a quorum in advance. >> Yeah, we should plan for a quorum for everything.

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>> I know >> the summer just raising that. >> Yeah. Well, that that's going to happen anyway. I mean, that's our regular meeting, the July 14th. So, right. >> Yeah, we'll start ask everybody to to plan to be able to attend on that date.

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>> Uh, one other question for you, Garrett. Um, uh, what's a weed wrench? >> Weed wrench, it's a device that, um, basically puts pressure on the weed that you can actually pull the weed out of the ground pretty smoothly and and it

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basically for larger plants. Um, you have just have to be careful with it because, uh, you want to make sure you get all the roots. So, I've used uh they also have them designed to go on um you could they look like a um shackle and it

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has uh when you when you twist the piece that goes down and up against the plant and it basically has teeth on it, you can twist it down. You can actually attach that to an excavator bucket and and lift the plant out of the ground

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very slowly. Again, you want to try to get all the roots. sometimes you're not successful. So when I do use those, we often will go and dig around the area where we see the break is for the roots, find the root and then tag it with pink

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surveyor ribbon so that we can get it later with um you know a dab of herbicide, but we when we try to avoid doing that, I did that on the Taton River. So um for the restoration with the NRCS. >> Understood. >> All right. Thanks. Any other comments

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from British members, members of the publics? Hearing none, we'll continue this to July 14th with the provision that if you need a faster response on the demo portion of it. Uh call call Philip and

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we'll we'll work with you, Garrett, on this one. Okay, >> sounds good. >> Perfect. Good. All right. Thanks all. I appreciate it, Garrett. >> Thank you. Have a good evening. >> You too. Uh, next on the agenda is uh extension request 117

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uh photos lane. >> Hi. Do we have a presenter tonight? >> Yep. Can you >> Patrick? How are you, sir? >> Thank you. Um, yep. So, I'm the owner uh of 117 Folders Lane. Um my wife and I

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got a um order of conditions for a house remodel and the addition of a pool uh about two and a half years ago. So, we're coming up on the three-year mark in uh November. And we completed the house remodel and we're back in the

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house. But the pool part um we're going to have to probably postpone until next summer hopefully. So, I was looking to uh request an extension for one year. I think I might have I I might have submitted the paperwork for three-year, but I'm not sure if you guys do a

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three-year extension or if it's just one year at a time. >> The regs allow up to three years. Sometimes we do one, sometimes two, sometimes three. >> Okay. >> It it depends. I mean, we're pretty user friendly, so you know, we we try to work with the with the applicant and and

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realistically look at and say, "What do you need?" Now, I have a question for you because in in your uh description of what you're going to do, >> um what you stated, I I don't have it in my hand, but I I know what you said. Um it it was it conformed to my memory

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exactly that the pool was going to be a later project. Um so, we knew that up front. So, I went back and I I looked at the order conditions and I'm I must have been thinking that, okay, we're going to get another order notice of intent when

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the pool comes. It's a later project because when I looked at the order conditions, it didn't have that which we always put into that. And you may have heard me speak because I I asked a question when we were on five Cabbury Lane, and that is uh what's your

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discharge specifications for the pool? And for the last 34 years, we have always had a concern about discharging um into the wetlands. And you are very close to the wetlands. And at least in

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my head, I didn't think that the order conditions that we issued uh included the pool. Um, and it's not a problem because you're out of our jurisdiction, but I just want to make sure that you're either intending on coming back to us or

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that we t take a look at the existing order conditions and make sure that you either have a closed filtration system or some mechanism to ensure that backwash or discharge does not get into the wetlands. because I called Philip

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when I when I first read what you said. I said, "Yeah, yeah, it's a later project." But then I realized that the order itself talks about the pool. So, I checked the order conditions, but there's no special condition that you have to have. You know, some people Well, let me back up. Our concern is

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that you're not pumping chloride or broomemide or even even salt. Some people have saltwater pools. You're not pumping that when you backwash your filters into the wetlands. Most pool companies nowadays use a closed system

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with cartridge filters. Um, that's been true for the last, I don't know, 15 or 20 years, but it's not it's not on the order of conditions. So, I just want to make sure we don't talk ourselves into a problem. >> Do you have specs on the pool yet?

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>> Uh, no, we don't. We don't at all. So, that's it's probably something we're going to be doing this summer is is getting, you know, getting a contractor and getting all the specs. So, if that's something that I need to come back and show you guys, we can we can absolutely do that at a later time. I just didn't want the the original order of

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conditions to lapse if if it was still relevant uh for this project. And um you know, forgive me, I'm I'm just the homeowner, so I'm just kind of representing myself, so I'm not super familiar with all the uh nuances of things that we need to make sure that we adhere to, but we absolutely want to,

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>> you know, comply with the with the closed system and making sure that the back fill uh piece is uh handled to your expectation. So I just want to um I I'd prefer not to do a whole other set of, you know, notice of intent if it's if

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it's possible. um you know if I if I can come back to you and show you guys the plans or whatever you might need as part of this initial project. >> What why why don't we do it this way that that uh we'll agree to an extension of what whatever I don't I don't care if

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it's one year or two years. Um, if you're doing it right away, we can just do it one year, but if you need more time, we'll give you two years. But it's subject to uh approval of the pool specifications because I don't want to extend what I would consider a blank

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check because when I when I went back and looked at the order conditions, I said, "Oh, yeah. Well, I thought it was going to be a later project." In my head, I'm thinking they'll give me another notice of intent. But didn't say that. So, I didn't want to extend a blank check unless you agree that you'll

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come back with the specs and that's all we're concerned with. I mean, the placement of the pool, we we saw it on the plans and I went back and and Philip sent me to the U, you know, the approved plans and it's right there. >> So, it's not a it's not an issue as long as you're not dumping chloride into the

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wetlands. >> Absolutely. Yep. That that's not our intent. We we love our, you know, the nature that's around us and we don't want to definitely don't want to harm it. So, we've we've done our best to to comply with everything else and the pool the pool will be no exception.

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Um, so if you don't mind maybe doing I mean everybody else that I live with in my house wants to have a pool for next summer. So, the objective would be a one-year extension. Um, but if we could just do a two for now just just in case, you know, financially or for whatever purpose it might need one extra year, I

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think two would be more than adequate. Um, and in the meantime, I can uh work on getting the specs and then um maybe submit for another like a future meeting to to present that to you guys or >> Sure. Um, why don't Well, first of all,

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any comments, questions from commission members and and then I can make a proposal. >> Yes, John. >> Arthur. >> Um, might this this is an inquiry. Uh, might this have been better positioned if uh there were two separate

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um requests? One an application for the additions to the house and another an application for the pool. Um the reason I say that in part is because the application calls for five additions

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extensions to existing house. I couldn't find a reference to a pool. Yeah, I I went back and that's why I went back, Arthur, because I'm a 100% with my reaction was exactly the same. I thought the future project was going to be

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another a second order conditions. >> Okay, >> I'm 100% with you. But then when I I read it, I said, "Wait a minute. It says a pool." So, I went back and I I read the original order conditions and I think I think I've got it here because um Philip, you you sent it to me because

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it wasn't in the packet, but I went back and I it does say pool my when we were there, we were there several times. >> Yeah. >> And my understanding was it would be a second one. >> Yeah. I think my um and again I

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apologize just cuz I'm I'm the owner and I'm not uh familiar with the processes, but I think my my original intent was we knew that the pool was going to be kind of a a secondary phase once we made sure that we got through the initial remodel. Okay. Um but my intent with submitting it all at once and getting the approval

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was basically just to just to kind of go through this process one time. Um, but again, I apologies for not including the the formal specs in the initial uh request. So, >> yeah, Arthur, my problem is exactly the

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same as yours. That's why I called Philip and said, "Can can you send it to me?" I didn't even remember that the pool was on the plan, >> right? But it was um and I that's why I didn't want to extend kind of a blank check because I anticipated that we'd get a second

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notice of intent then we could address the pool at that time. But that's why I called Philillip this past week and said, you know, can you send me the original order conditions and the original approved plan? The original approved plan has the pool on it and the order conditions does mention

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the pool which was did not conform to my memory. because I I always thought it was a second proposal. So what I'm looking for is is you know a way to kind of you know reconcile our our joint memory with uh what we

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have in front of us. And I think the way to do that is to have a special condition of the extension that the pool specs would be subject to our um approval. I mean, you identified exactly what I

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identified when I when I first read the packet on Friday. That's why I called uh Philip on Friday. >> I But if you know, I I'm just looking for the path of least resistance. If you if you think a a separate notice of

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intent um is required uh then then so state. >> That would be my preference. Um the only uh thought on that is that if there is a citation of the pool in the order of conditions, then

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maybe we uh talk to the owner about what is best. Phil, where did you find that? Do you remember off the end in the order of conditions the reference to the pool? John, I I read this a couple of times um

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without my glasses, so I I may have missed the weapons to the pool. You notice I did put them on tonight. No, it um it's not in the packet, Arthur.

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>> Unless you kept a file from this from years ago. >> Th this request is an extension, a request for an extension, right? >> Yes. Yes. >> Right. Of this NOI which in which I don't find a reference

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to the pool. Um, now now I I just put it down, I think. >> So, working with the owner, maybe an alternative would be to um

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approve the additions and then have a separate NOI for the pool. >> U Yeah. Yeah. You're right. That was that was my original thought. Ju just bear with me because I'm uh I think I've got stuff out of order in my thought. If

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not, >> this makes it cleaner possibly for the owner as well. >> Dr. We try to do is is make things as um feasible and clean and

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>> concise for you as possible. Arthur, >> I you probably can't read this, but the these are my notes that I wrote right on >> the May TW May 8th document. >> The May 8th document. It says pool requires new NOI.

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>> Okay. >> See approved plans. >> Okay. >> Then I picked up the phone and called Phil >> and said, "Send me the approved plans." And it was it's on there. >> The pool is on the approved plan. Yes,

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>> but the application is for five additions to the house. >> Um, >> and item number eight under a general information five additions dash slash extensions to existing house.

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>> Where are you on the uh order conditions? A under general information line eight. I don't want somebody coming back to the owner and saying, "Hey, we got this document and it only talks about

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additions. It doesn't talk about the pool." >> No. Well, Patrick is the owner. >> Yeah. Um, attach special condition. Now, you're right. I went through it exactly what

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you did and that's why I called I guess I was hung up on the plan because I didn't think the pool was on the plan and it was um, so I'm looking for what triggered my response. on section eight.

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>> John Charlie has his hand up. Maybe he can shed some advice. >> Well, thank you, Arthur. I'm I'm curious. May maybe the best course of action since the plan is approved is that we simply grant the applicant a

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2-year extension uh contingent upon supplying the um type of filtration system for the pool. that that be approved by the conservation commission. Yeah, that I agree with that because

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that's what I said and then AA correctly, you know, went through the same process that I did. But I think I was I was responding to I I jolly, I agree with you 100% because that's what I said. Um,

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>> yeah. No, I I'm agreeing with you, John. We have he the applicant has an approved plan showing the pool. Um, >> right. That's up on >> just place the one contingency upon the applicant and because he wouldn't get a certificate of compliance if he doesn't

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comply. >> Well, that protects the applicant. I'll be fine with that. >> It should, right, John? >> If it if it protects the applicant. Um, yeah.

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Sure it does. I'm trying to protect us because I, you know, I the order of conditions allows the approved plans. I agree with what you just said about section 8, but I expected another notice of intent and then I went back and looked at the

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plans and the plans have the pool on it. So, I I'm trying not to hurt to me. that was a mistake that that that we approved that plan without having those specs in the special conditions because they're not there and that's where we always put

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the special conditions for a pool >> to ensure no backyard into the into so I I I saw it as my mistake when we approved that those plans >> and that's I was trying to protect us

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>> and it sounds like Patrick is agreeing with us and then he's saying yeah I'll do Well, I mean, I think ideally, um, again, forgive me. I I it's been a while since I did the the original notice of intent, and I'm not sure what what the policy would or, you know, what what

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friction would be to re resubmit a new one versus to me the the two-year extension um contingent on on you guys approving the, you know, the discharge plan for the pool, I think might be

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uh easier for me. And I I I do remember back when we were doing the initial, you know, um process for this, we we did redesign the the layout of the deck to make sure that we stayed stayed outside the 20ft buffer zone. Um and, you know, did whatever we else whatever whatever

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else we could to to comply with all the um the protection you guys have in place for for that area. And I did towards the very end I I did acknowledge the pool and the fact that that might be that we might need to ask for an extension for that and at the time you you just said

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you know basically it it's good for 3 years and if you come up against the 3 years you can ask for an extension. So I know the pool was discussed guaranteed there was no detail provided on the filtration and all that stuff because that that wasn't we weren't as far into the plans as as we were for the house

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component of that. So that's probably on me. if if there's a way that um we could do the two-year extension on the existing um piece contingent on you guys approving the the the discharge plan for the pool.

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I think that might be something that I might be looking for. >> Yeah. See, Arthur, I see this as our mistake, my mistake, because I I I'm very focused on pool discharge. which I always have been. Um, so I'm trying to

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cover us, not the not the owner. >> And I mean, we can absolutely give you guys whatever you're looking for in terms of the discharge requirement. I'm I'm sure we can build that into the plan.

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>> So, I I don't know. Uh, Wendy, do do you have a view on this? I mean, I think my original one was we give the extension subject to an agreement to submit specifications that that are approved by us

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because and and Patrick just so clear, my view is that you should not be discharging chlorine into the wetlands. Um, and I think the the state would agree with that in addition to the town. Um, but I I'm trying to I think it was a

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mistake to have that plan approved with the pool on it because we didn't at the time consider the pool specifications. I >> The only other thing that I caught, John, on this is that we signed off on

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the NOI on November 27th of 2023 and the plan is dated June 5, 2024. it right. But we approved it and in November

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so they've got a three-year extension is not on the plan. The extension is on the order conditions. That's what the state rags say that you use the date of the extension. I'm sorry. you use the date of the order and

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that has to be extended beyond the three years and you have to ask for it prior to the extension. >> So I you lost me. I'm not sure what your point was there. The point being the earlier reference to the fact the pool was on the plan, but the plan that we

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have here is dated 2024, whereas we signed off on the five additions in 2023. Well, that doesn't make any sense because the plan um that's a good catch.

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Now I've got it in my hand and you're right. >> There was I'm not sure. Um >> it says 24 >> there. There might have been a couple plans because um the initial plan that we had provided I we we ended up you guys had requested that we um it had

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been more than like a year or two since we had the initial plan done and you you asked us to come out and restake the wetlands which actually had grown further into our yard. that we did that to accommodate um like the more recent before we did construction. I think you

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guys had requested that we come out and restake and submit a new um plan that showed the new lines of the wetlands. So I think that might be where the 2024 version came in. >> I I understand Patrick what you said,

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but Arthur's got a good point. How could we have signed the order of conditions? What's the date on the signature on the order? >> 23. >> November of 23. Yeah.

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>> Now, let me Can I I I need I need to clarify I need to get a clarification on something. This site plan that we have um titled site plan proposed addiction 117 Fuller Lane.

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Was this drawing submitted with the request for an extension or was this drawing and Philip should be able to answer this. Was this drawing um submitted or part of this original

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um uh application uh which it it couldn't have been based on the date. But my point is there must be a original plan for this site

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dated >> in 23. >> Yep. >> So the question still stands is the drawing that was provided in our package was that submitted with this extension request?

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>> I think I did submit that. the 2024 one that you're looking at that was yeah >> for the extension request. >> Okay. So So we don't have what what I'm trying to get at guys is we don't have the original drawing in front of us. >> Right. >> That's what I called Philip for. Philip,

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do you have that? I'm looking on my phone for what you sent to me Friday. >> Hold on. That's why I called the for the approved plan. See now I remember. Let me see if I have it on my phone. Hold on. And and Patrick, what you just said is

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correct because we did ask you there's another three-year extension and that is for the delineation and we did ask you to update the the wetland delineation and we did move a couple of the stakes in your backyard and you're correct that you did, you know, accommodate our concerns and move the

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>> It sounds like that that the that the applicant merely provided a a drawing that was done throughout the course of construction and not the original one that was voted on back in 23.

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And I have the original application here. There's no drawing attached to it. Philip, I I can find the original order conditions that you sent to me, >> right? I don't have >> that was yesterday, but I thought you

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sent the approved plans as well. 14. >> I did, but it must be in a file on my desk. I don't have it in the um my sent mail. >> I actually have one hand >> when you sent me both of them, >> right? But then I put it into a on my

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desktop. I put it into a file for 117 full lane. >> What are conditions? And close is a notice of intent. So what you sent to me was a plan >> with the pool and I've got it on my

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phone here and it's dated se >> I just saw the date September 26th 2023. So that's the date of the site plan showing proposed additions at 117 full

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I yeah the Ponet Valley Survey Associates. Um, and that plan has the pool 8 ft by 20 ft

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>> and I don't see our stamp on it because they used to come in as back as stamped approved. I don't see the stamp, but that's that's what you sent me. So, the date is September 26th, 2023,

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which would conform to our approval of the order conditions or the issuance of the order conditions dated November 27th, 2023. So child is right, Patrick's right that the plan that we're looking at in the packet has a date in August of 24, but

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the plan I've got in my hand is dated September 26, 2023. And that's what >> sounds like we have our ducks in a row for everybody. >> Yep. >> What's that? >> Yeah. >> All right.

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So I a my proposal was designed to cover us because I was embarrassed when I saw a pool without the special condition. Um and the special condition would have been you know a closed system without discharge.

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>> We can put those in the add in the extension. >> What's that? >> We can add those to the extension of the conditions. >> Yes. So then everything would work for everybody. Both Patrick and the

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>> Yes, that's correct. And that's Charlie. You >> You're a genius. >> Thanks, Arthur. >> Wend Wendy, uh, you haven't said anything. You want to weigh in on this? You're on mute. >> I I definitely do not want to weigh in,

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but thank you. >> Okay. All right. Well, I I always look for the path of least resistance um as Aza knows and I think this may be the way to do it because it covers us for not putting in that special condition

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back when this plan was approved. Um >> and uh we we get what we need which would be our approval for the of the spec from the pool company or the manufacturer to make sure that you're not discharging backwash

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into the wetlands. Um, makes sense to me. Patrick, you agree? >> Yeah, thank you. >> Okay, Arthur, you good with that? >> Yeah, I'm fine. >> Okay, thanks, Charlie. Um, and and

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thanks, Wendy. So, I'll I'll make the motion that we extend the um order of conditions for a period of two years subject to and conditional upon submission of these pool specs for our approval. And so that there's no

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mistake. What we're looking for is assurance that the water will not be discharged into into or near the wetlands. The whole area is within our jurisdiction, but it's very very close to the wetlands. So that's that's why we're sensitive to this. Patrick 100%.

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>> Yeah. >> I'll second your motion, Mr. Chairman. >> All right. Thank any discussion anybody's neighbors, members of the public. I see a hand. Kevin Robinson. Kevin, are you there?

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>> I am here, but I am not intending to raise my hand. >> Okay. >> No, no comment. >> Okay. All right. Thanks. All right. Um, any discussion, uh, members of the commission? Hearing none, there's been a motion to extend for two years with a

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special condition of approval of the, uh, pool specs. And, um, that's been seconded. So, I'll take the vote. Arthur, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Wendy, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Charlie, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> And I vote John John Ken votes yes as

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well. So, you're good to go, Patrick. Um, and you don't need it, but you can be assured that you've got your extension. And thank you for coming in early. Uh, because most people wait until it's it's already expired, then they say, "Hey, can we extend it?"

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>> Yeah. No, I appreciate it. Thank you guys. I think you got what you need. Okay. All right. Thank Thanks very much. Next on the agenda we have of notice of intent 1387 Brushell Road continued from

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May 16th. Good evening. >> Thompson here. Can you see me? >> We can indeed. Welcome. >> Okay. Can I share the screen? >> Yes, you can. I think Steve, is that Can you give him the

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>> I believe so. Let's find out. >> Okay. See this one? >> There you go. >> Okay. No, that's the one. I want this one. There we go. Can you see that screen? Oh,

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>> not yet. Not yet. >> Let's try it again. >> There we go. How's that look? >> It's coming. It looks like it's coming. >> Slowly. Slowly. >> All black right now. >> All black. Yeah. Okay, I'll stop here

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and try again. Oh boy, there it is. >> Yeah, >> there you go. Now we got it. >> Oh, finally. >> Don't scare me, especially at this hour. It has really it's been a marathon tonight. Uh

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existing foundation it was approved previously um due to financial whatever reason it the foundation went in let uh utilities went in but basically it stopped at that point. So it's the same building a

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little modifications. Um when we had the wetland uh review on Saturday, he asked me to add 6A which we have down in here and adjusted the buffer zone. Since then, the engineer

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and the architect uh the engineer decreased these um rain gardens a little bit and tightened up the uh contouring so as to minimize more tree cuts. Then the two of

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them met and they came up with this next plan. I didn't do this. No, not this way. I want to go I want to go to this one. I'm probably have to stop sharing here and get the other one up. Give me one second, please.

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What happened? I put them all in one folder is the problem. All right, this one. All right, there we go. Hold on. So now I got to share again, correct? >> Yes. Yes. >> Oh, there it is.

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I'm ready for retirement. >> Here we go. Let's see if I can loosen this up a little and the zoom in for you. Well, the landscape architect had a different approach. Instead of multiple trees, which we have obviously, he went for

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larger ones from 6 and 1/2 in down to 3 and 1/2 in. We're planting 69 trees. DBH count on the impact was uh 27 268

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and replacement is 295 DBH. It's >> a lot of trees, but that's what we're looking for. So >> that's what you asked for. >> But you're transplanting a 6inch tree. That's good. I mean that survival rate's not great for that, but we applaud you

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for >> I was impress I was impressed. Yeah, >> I I was doing math like you were doing on the other project. I was like, "Oh my god." >> Anyways, they did it. So, there is your planting plan

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>> and the numbers work on the DBH. We do have a pool. I did talk to the owner. It is a closed It will be a closed filtration system. >> That's good. Yeah, that's near and dear to our hearts.

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Um, all right. I' I've got all the calculations. I was sitting there over the weekend and doing it and I had uh you know I had I had all kinds of calculations there and then I wrote query are all of these you know can they all go on site for

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replacement and you just answered that. Yes. >> I was amazed. >> I'm happy with that. Now you did something you said something though that's near and dear to Wendy's heart. Um, you said you were going to decrease the rain garden. So, Wendy, I know you

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got some questions. >> Well, okay. Um, Ken, could you could you maybe walk us through the uh the rain garden component of the plan? >> The engineer designed it. It's designed to engineering specs to take the amount

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of storm water put in it. plantings of those I like to put in switch grasses and things of that nature because they're drought tolerant but yet can take the flood >> and it's a and it's a handsome planting

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you know what I mean in my book >> so the engineers have done all the calculations so I haven't been involved with it I know it has an underlying it's designed with that soil and the underlining drain and things of that nature

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I Let's see. Can I Can I do that? I know I can do it. And when do you get a pen? >> Yes, I do. >> Google green shoots. Green shoots out of Oregon or Washington

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State. It's a one one gallon container for foam gun for uh applying herbicides. I've done it many times in the past. It takes away. It's easier. You do your

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cut, squirt a little foam, and it's dry in an hour. The only time I had a problem with when was 100° heat and then you had a little runoff off the leaves, but it the wax the foam has a uh breaks down the wax of

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the leaves, so it sticks and dries to it. And it's very effective and very little herbicides used. It's mixed the same way Mr. Tennyson's was. You take the 40% Round Up, fill it up halfway, 90% water, and 5% foam. It's actually

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pretty neat. I've used it several times. >> Green Shoots out of Oregon. >> What's the name of it? Green >> Green Shoots out of Oregon. I can dig back in my paperwork and send it to Steve.

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>> Yeah. Oh, thanks. That'd be good. I got pictures of it in use and stuff like that. >> So, it's a foam herbicide. >> Foam gun. >> Gun >> use instead of brushing on the way Tennyson's crew was doing. It's

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literally a little pump garden pump. >> Oh, I see. >> Like a onegon garden pump. You pump it up and you do a dab dab dab. So when you're doing your cut and treat, you cut, push it aside and dab it right away. And woody material,

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>> the sugars are going down all the time and water is coming up the center. So the sugars are going down the cambian layer in the outside. So all you have to do is do the top. It's very efficient and you use very little herbicide.

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I like the way it's it's tinted like a pale blue so the person doing the application can see exactly where they're where they're putting it. >> And if it's not too hot run off and hot, it's a little it's a little loose there,

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but other than that, it sticks to the plant and then it dries in that spot and you can actually see it. >> Steve, are you familiar with this product? Uh, no I'm not, Wendy, but I'm looking at it on the on the on the

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Google right now. >> There you go. >> It looks pretty cool. >> Love to try it. >> Yeah, >> love to try it. >> It's It's kind of the same application, but it's it's mechanical and it's right there at your fingertips. It doesn't get

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in >> when you get into a big thing of knotwing and try to do the leaves. And that's a different story. You better wear some uh protection, >> right? >> But >> yes, >> you're just doing individual shrubs and stuff. It works wonderful. >> Huh?

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>> Have you Have you had much experience with it? >> A few jobs. I kind of >> don't do it anymore. I don't like playing with the herbicides. >> I send it out to Terminex or something like that and I hand them the gun and show them what to do and I supervise.

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>> Excellent. Excellent. step back and supervise. It's a lot easier. And I've used those tree wrenches. You run into some glossy false buckorn. It It's a long day. I have >> Yes, indeed. >> I own one.

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>> I've got a I've got a six-footer and a 2 and 1/2t tree wrench. >> Mine. >> They work really really well. >> It does, but you need a young man to do it, Steve. You know that. >> That's That's right. I've got a I've got a son who helps me. >> A son? Yeah.

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>> So, a lot stronger than I am. >> Terminex guaranteed to have the certificate, you know. >> Yep. >> There's actually specialized comp companies now out of whis that do it, but they're very expensive. >> Yes. >> They get into a five-year program.

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Remember that job, Steve? >> Uh, yes, I do. >> Was it successful? >> Uh, yes. >> Good. >> Yes. very happily successfully. >> Well, >> and they make sure they do it for five

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years because um they have an a a u an interest in it. >> All right. Do we have any other uh questions on the 1387? Because u I I've got the plans uh and for the public's benefit, we were out

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there on a sidewalk uh last month. We did move one. I see the plans reflect the 6A that you added, Ken. So, thank you very much. Uh, all the plans reflect that change. Uh, we got the tree survey and we've got the planting plan that accommodates all the trees removed. Uh,

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and I actually, you know, went over it and u I want to make sure everybody's comfortable with the with the replacements. Um, but it looks looks like Ken, you did what we asked you to do. Are there other questions from commission members?

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I don't see any. How about butters of members of the public? Keep keeping in mind. >> None here. John, >> what's that? >> None here that I can see either. >> Oh, okay. All right. Good. Thanks. So, if there are no other questions

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then, and this is a a notice of intent. Um, so is there an order to issue um the order of content of intent um and issue the order of conditions with the

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special conditions that the tree survey um be accepted in the replacement um plan be accepted uh with the discussion of the you know the particular on and m plan and Ken I know you're aware that there's a survival 75%

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survival rate that's a lot trees. >> So, he is monitoring it'll be on we'll monitor it and the landscape architect will stay involved. >> All right. >> Because I'm sure with this number of trees he's got an an agreement with the owner for replacement.

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>> All right. So, Philip, can you just make sure that that's or or Steve actually if you are taking the notes, make sure that that's, you know, one of the conditions that's that's added here and that the the approved plan will show will be the recent plan submitted that will show the

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uh flag 6A that was moved uh at our request. Um and the other usual conditions that we have Ken are that no storage within our jurisdiction of heavy equipment mechanized equipment and no refueling within our jurisdiction. Those

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are regular standard condition. >> That should be easy on this site because we have that cleared area at the top. >> Yeah. >> Outside the buffer zone. >> Yes, that's correct. Any other? >> Yes. John, you want to you want to

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include the provision for the uh pool filtration system? >> Oh, absolutely. That Yeah, that that's right. That's true. >> Um, but you heard that discussion, Ken, right? That >> Yes, I did. >> close. It's usually I I actually haven't

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seen any pools within the last 15 years that did >> I still own one. >> Do you discharge discharge into it to the wetlands? >> No, I don't. I'm a botist. I I don't live within 300 ft of a swamp.

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I sit in a sand pile. >> Probably a wise man. >> Dumb luck triumphs over skill. >> All right. But that that's that Charlie. Thank you. That most definitely is one of the special conditions. Um that is a

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closed system that prevents any kind of backwash or discharge into the um anywhere. Actually, it just it doesn't go anywhere. It's a closed system. Um, so that would be a special condition. Any any other special conditions,

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members of the commission? Hearing none. Is there such a motion uh to approve with with those special conditions? >> So moved. >> Thanks, Charlie. Any uh is there a second? >> I'll second.

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>> All right. Thanks. Any discussion among commission members? Hearing none. Arthur, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Wendy, >> yes. >> Charlie, >> yes. >> And I, John Kenan, yes as well. Thank you, Ken. Thank you very much. Good

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presentation. >> Thank you very much. Have a great evening. >> All right. Thanks. >> Take care, Ken. >> Next on the agenda is 27 Brook Hill Road. >> Good evening. This is Kevin Robinson here. >> Hi, Kevin. Welcome. Thanks for your

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patience. No problem. I can share my screen. Let me know when you guys can see that on your side. >> It hasn't popped up yet, but it looks Here it comes. There it is. Got it. >> Okay, great. So, just as a refresher, 27 Brook Hill

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Road. I'm the the property owner with my wife Jill. Um we're adjacent to the Pine Tree Brook. Um proposal is to add a a rear deck here on the back of the property underneath the seconds story sleeping porch that you can see probably

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8 by 31 ft. The some of the stuff that we talked during the onsite is that I'd also like to to add a um a patio underneath the deck. Um you can see the lower door in the photograph is a walk out from the basement. So it would walk out of the

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basement onto a stone patio rather than grass or dirt. Um, and then the the preference would be to actually add a waterproof membrane under the deck itself just to allow for uh a little bit a little bit drier space back

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there. Um, and I do have the um the plot plan that was submitted as well. Um the the I think the biggest additional consideration would be that we were working with the the Milton Zoning Board

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of Appeals um for a special permit on this project. Um they have deferred um or continued the um the granting of the special permit twice due to uh waiting for the conservation commission to u provide confidence or ruling that there

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won't be any limits on on your end. Um, so that is um the overall project has taken longer than we originally anticipated. We've since moved back into the property and as you can see the the rear egress for my uh first floor kitchen uh is not accessible and is

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currently blocked and and screwed shut. So >> um >> you've got kids, right? >> We have three three boys who uh Yes. >> Put a double lock on that door. >> Right. Exactly. All right. Um and and for the commission

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benefit, I when I first read the uh the letter that Kevin wrote um to us, it's it's in the packet, I I was concerned because um our performance standard is that there can be no net increase in runoff as opposed to um

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uh I I think the term that you use there's no material increase. Um it's not a really a matter of discretion. they can't have any net increase. So therefore, I had uh a suggested and b requested that Steve talk to Kevin about

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making sure there's a cult chamber to accommodate all of that. Uh whatever the net increase, whether it's small or large, there can be no net increase. So, but it's an easy fix. Um I believe um and you did have that conversation and so what's what's your opposition on the

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cult chamber? >> Yep, I agree. I spoke with Steve this week. I think it's um acceptable. The the sleeping porch that you can see there that had a a gutter that fell off a month or week after we purchased the property and um that is dripping off the

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the roof and causing some lawn disturbance. So, we were always intending to put that gutter back on and and in theory this deck membrane would tie into that gutter and then into the ground into a Caltech uh chamber. >> Good.

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>> Yeah. I think I would actually >> Yep. I would actually anticipate doing that if the deck membrane if we if we didn't install that component of the deck system. I would still plan to do that for the the gutter off the sleeping porch. >> All right. That that was my concern.

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Other other folks, other commissioners have concerns or questions, comments? >> I'm here. >> Okay. How about I can't see but what about members of the public butters other

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>> I don't see anybody John >> okay all right and we've got the the green cards on this right >> yes >> okay I I'm I'm saying that Kevin to protect you because uh you know the green cards are important u and it would

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it would subject anything that we do tonight to a collateral attack if if we if we couldn't prove the notification Okay. All right. So, and and Philip, you're good with green cards? >> Yes. >> Perfect. All right. Good. So, my

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suggestion would be to to have a special condition for the cult chamber to accommodate the uh whatever the calculated runoff is because it will be increased. So, culttech chambers have different sizes. So, the size would have to accommodate whatever the runoff is.

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And the the runoff is easily calculable. It's a computer program. So, u that's easy to figure out the size. But our condition would be to to install suitably sized cult chamber to

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accommodate any net increase in the runoff from the increase in imperous surface. >> Okay, that makes sense. >> All right. And then the other uh the issues you've heard before that you you can't store equipment overnight and you

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can't refuel equipment uh within our jurisdiction. >> Um understood >> which is so that may be an issue for your contractor. >> Um and sometimes contractors don't listen to homeowners or us. Uh but that will be an issue because you're awfully

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close to the the the uh Pine Tree brook. >> Yep. Understood. >> It's a sensitive area for us. And I I think didn't you send around pictures of um you've already installed. Yeah, here it is. Right here. You've already installed. Steve, how does that look to you? The u installation of the sil silt

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sock. >> Do you have that, Steve? >> I do not have it. Yes. >> Oh, okay. It's in our There it is. There it is right there. That's >> Looks just fine. >> Okay. Yeah, that that's what we needed.

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>> Looks great. And that that is one of the conditions, Kevin, but you've already done it. So not >> Yeah, we're trying trying to get ahead of some of the components as we could. >> All right. Questions, comments, um, commissioners, abutters, I don't see

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anybody. Um, just to make sure that I can see everybody. Can you take the screen share down? Perfect. And I don't see any hands raised. I don't hear anything. Uh so with that uh with those special conditions that we've mentioned, is

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there a motion to issue the order of conditions with the special conditions that we've already cited? >> So moved. >> Thanks, Valley. Is there a second to that? >> I second it. John, >> thanks Wendy. All right. Any discussion

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among commission members? >> Hearing none, uh we'll take a a vote. Um Charlie, how do you vote? Yes. >> Wendy, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Uh, wait, where am I? Arthur, how do you vote? >> Yes.

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>> And I, John Ken, vote yes as well. Kevin, you're good to go. >> Okay. >> Thanks, Kevin. >> Absolutely. Thank you, commission members. >> All right. And stay stay in touch with Philip Driscoll because he'll he'll get you your order conditions. >> Absolutely. And the the D number was

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issued today at about 5. >> Thank goodness. I didn't even ask. Yeah, I know. I was >> Do you have that Do you have that number, Phillip? >> I do. Hold on. >> You Yeah, you both of you receive >> I got an email from it. Hold on one minute.

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>> Yeah, John, you're on the email as well. >> I do. It's 0460662. >> Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much, Kevin, because that that's a good catch because we're not supposed to vote unless we have a number. >> Yep. >> Right. >> Got it. Perfect. All is well. Thanks. >> Thanks everybody. Good night. >> All right. Good night.

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>> Take care. >> So, next on the agenda is notice of intent. We did that one. Uh, amended order of conditions 1386 Canton Avenue. >> Good evening everyone. Greg Driscoll of JD Civil here tonight. Um, back again

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representing Acquisition for 1386 Cannav. uh tell us. >> All right. So, um I'll share my screen. All right. So,

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okay. So, the um the homeowners went with a different design of their proposed home. Um the layout of the house is a little bit different than it was previously shown on here. I created this quick um

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presentation plan to kind of illustrate the differences here. the the old footprint is the red outline and the kind of tannanish yellowish color is the new outline. So the new

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building is a little bit narrower and it's a little bit longer. So that actually allows us to reduce the length of the driveway and the retaining wall. And

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we're also able to save another tree. Greg, can I hold you right there at the driveway? Can you just focus in on that area because that's an area where I think we had I don't know how long the strip was, but we had suggested some kind of a gravel strip to make sure the truck tires are not, you know, carrying

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anything out into the roadway. >> Yes. Um so that would be the um the tracking pad for the during construction. And that's that's this hatched area right there. That doesn't change at all. >> Doesn't Okay, good. It's the proposed driveway where it

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comes into the garage. That's it's a little bit, you know, so the old garage is right here. So that much pavement was removed um as part of the um the change in the footprint of the house. Um and like I was saying, this this tree

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right here was also able to be saved. So I adjusted the tree calculation on the plan set accordingly. Um so call this tree out to be saved and show the protection around it and updated the the tree replacement

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calculation. So and in addition with all the changes that we did around this area right here we shuffled around where some of these trees are going up in here. Um we relocated the uh subsurface uh calte

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system right here. that previously was underneath the um the the driveway right on this area right here. Um but pushing it out that far made it a little more difficult to make it fit under this um new driveway.

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Um cuz the grading as well, you know, so the the finished floor is the same. So we had to regrade the driveway going up to the house as well. And the the garage is a little bit more of a drop. um with a couple more steps from the garage into the house than there was on the original

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uh in order to make the grades work and the driveway uh grades work as well. So overall, we have less impervious area. The original house was 5,300 ft. The new house is 5,248 ft. So that's minus 52 ft

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in the house footprint. Uh the total impervious area uh was also reduced. I calculated it as 12,354 ft in the original. Now we have 11,733 ft. That is 8001 ft less.

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So u we also relocated the um the propane tank um since the house the way the um the pumps in the house work out. It's a little too close to where it was originally. And also the

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the Caltech system is right in that area as well. So we moved that propane tank. It's underground so I can go anywhere. Um and I did email the one green card I got back over to um Philip

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uh this evening before the meeting. Uh we also submitted the white receipts with the original um hard copies of the submitt. So believe you should have everything there, Philip. Okay. Just uh keep in mind commission members that this is a two vote issue.

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Um because the first vote is whether or not it's a major revision or a minor revision. If it's a minor revision, uh then we can go forward and vote on whether or not the revisions are acceptable. If it's a major revision, then they have to go back and file a new

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notice of intent. So, uh, just keep that in mind as you're asking questions and same for the members of the public. Um, any questions or comments from commission members? No. Um, anybody, uh, Butters, members of

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the public, anybody? I I can't see the people. Steve, can you see everybody? >> I can. And there's no hands raised. >> Okay. there so you can see. >> So I mean I know I look at this as a

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minor revision um based primarily upon a reduction in the square feet of the house and secondly the reduction 800 square feet less impervious surface. So those are good reductions um as opposed to you know major reductions. I know

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good and major are not apples and oranges but um it it looks okay to me. Uh, anybody else have a thought, a comment, a question on whether or not this is a minor revision or a major revision? Because remember that's our first vote?

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>> John, it's a minor revision. >> I would also agree with you, John. >> Okay. >> As a minor, >> Wendy, Arthur, Arthur, you're on mute, you may have said something brilliant, but we missed it.

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My brilliant statement was I have no reason to disagree. >> Okay. Brilliant. All right. Thank you. Thank you. >> Um so then is there a a motion to uh consider these revisions as minor

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revisions, therefore not requiring a new notice of intent. Is there such a motion? >> So moved. >> Thanks, Charlie. Is there a second? >> I'll second. Thanks, >> Wendy. Put a hand up. So, Wendy says,

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>> "All right, the the reason I I wait for a second to make sure I really do look for a consensus. I want to see if people are supporting this." And it looks like we've got a second >> from Wendy. Yeah. >> All right. So, thank you. Um any uh

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questions, comments, any discussion from among commission members? Um, all right. Hearing none, we'll move forward to that motion. And again, this motion is only to determine whether or not these are minor revisions or major. The motion is to consider them minor

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revisions. Uh, Arthur, how do you vote on that? >> Yes. >> Wendy, >> yes. >> Charlie, >> yes. >> And I, John Kieran, vote yes as well. So, it's a minor revision. All right. Now, um any comments on whether or not

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we would accept these and therefore revise uh the order of conditions um as as proposed. Keeping in mind that all the special conditions in the original order of conditions remain the same. These are we're only talking about whether or not we accept the revisions

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that have been proposed by the applicant. Um, so is there a motion to approve these uh revisions and make them part of the amended order of conditions? >> So moved. >> Thanks, Charlie. Is there a second?

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>> Second. >> Thanks, Arthur. Any discussion among commission members? Hearing none. Arthur, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Wendy, >> yes. >> Yes. >> I John Kieran vote yes as well. Thank you. Ken, you're good to go. I can I'm

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sorry I said Craig. I'm sorry I said Ken. Thank you. >> Thanks everyone. >> You're good to go. Thanks. >> All right. Appreciate it. Have a good night everyone. >> You too. >> Good job. >> Thanks. Next on the agenda, we have

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um alterations to wetlands 45 Riverside Avenue continued from May 12th. Do we have an applicant? We do. >> Yes, we do. All right. But you're you're on mute. I

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I Miss Newan, you're you're still on mute, but we're calling the 45 Riverside Avenue. >> Yes. Uh can you guys hear me? >> Yes. Yes, indeed. >> Uh sorry, I use my phone for better um

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uh translation. So, uh thank you for your time. Um yes. So, I'm here for the 451 app. >> Yes. And are you aware of what's happened?

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because at the last meeting that we had last month, we voted to impose a fine of $300 per day. So um >> I so I didn't aware that uh before I actually answer your question, I want to

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say a little bit background on this and I know you guys already visit the um the location and um really uh as you know I'm the first time owners and I didn't actually know about the uh property within a wetland zone at all when um the

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construction um uh authorized like hey we have got a permit to peel and next thing we know we didn't realize that is in the wet loan um area and we are the very first time home owners and my my parently closed

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area for 15 year and we never like know uh about the restriction and the regulation in term of wetland. So the next thing we know we get the notification from you guy and we really want like to like uh address the um the

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issue and the thing is u my husband at at that time and he's not speak English well so I didn't know like he actually sew up and do the stuff that I didn't aware of. So that's why I really want to come here to see and actually to explain

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the situation and to see if you guys can able to put a waiver for first time home owner who actually didn't know about the rule in the wetland and how can we address the issue the the answer is easy no

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and the reason is you received your notice in December you were invited to the conservation commission to come in January February March April May and now June, we met with you and you said the same thing. Uh when we met with you on

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site and explained what you needed to do at that time, we were receptive. We understood that you were a firsttime homeowner and we said what you must do. You see Philip Driscoll here. He was present.

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you were instructed or requested to go to him and and get an application that he would provide to you and to fill out the application. That was two months ago. You didn't do it. >> So, so we understand that. We understand that. The thing is just a timing issue

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because the thing is uh when Philillip provided us the instruction we follow the instruction but the next thing we know that the the the construction mapping we didn't capture that kind of like a shred um back shred

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alteration on the backyard on the map. So when we schedule for May 12 um hearing we didn't have that ready. So we already notified Philip like we didn't we unable to sew up because we didn't have a support document for the

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alteration but again we didn't realize we had to sew up for the the issue that encounter in before that we didn't capture. So again it's a lesson learned and we didn't expect like we have to like hearing for that issue at the same

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time. So that's why it's like it's a lesson learned and we didn't know anything about it. is very my very first time at all and I didn't know like you know what you know and when you didn't know what you know so that's why I know Philip provides instruction but because

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the thing is we didn't have enough information to like address the issue at the time so and the thing is for the notification um the thing is we we have a mailbox but in in um in the town and we didn't pick

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up on time and by the time we receive it we already missed the hearing notification. So it's a timing issue and again we didn't know the severe of this uh at all because we are really first time and my my parent living here almost

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like 15 year close by area and we didn't know anything about the wetland rule at all and it's again is the the again we we know that we are lost that we actually um do something wrong here but at least we just want to know like how

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we address the issue. Do you know what I mean? Going forward and make it like Yeah. So, we just want to understand the process because we really don't know how to address it like what we're missing because this is really new new to us. That's pretty close to what you said to

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me personally, me two months ago when we stood on the street outside and you you made the same statement, the same argument that you you knew and we I personally and others were present told you what you needed to do. So, we can

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only repeat it that go to Philip, get the form, fill it out, and come in and give us what's called a notice of intent because, you know, you built the house, you remodeled the house, you altered the

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land, which triggers the requirement that you filed a notice of intent. We told you that repeat. I personally told you that and you ignored us. you you didn't do it. We find you once for one

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single event of $300 and you were told that and the thing is >> no we understand you guys provide us the detail but the next thing we know when we realize that we didn't have the the mapping the shre box because the thing

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is the sweat box it it actually there before my husband take it down because he said it's old and he didn't know about the wetland rule and the next thing we know that we need to map out that alteration and I already notification scene we actually late on

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the game because like um we already have a construction the designer map out the map and and next thing we know like uh in order to get that we cannot get the mapping right in hand on May 12th. So it's like it's really hard like for us

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to do that. And I already asked Philip like hey we maybe not do any alteration on the back y anymore like thread or the set block. We're going to hold on to that because it's is it's not timing right. So that's why we like whatever

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like we propose on May 10. We already sent to the neighborhood for with the notification on May 12 without the support of the mapping. So that's why we already notify fine like hey by the way we don't have the mapping. So I don't know if that go through. So that's why

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we we just try to understand if we don't do any alteration on the backyard what's the next step. We don't want to propose anything else >> anymore. So >> you've already violated uh rules and regulations and those the wetlands

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protection act. You've already done it. So we're trying to help you. You may not believe that, but we're trying to help you fix the mistake that you've already done. But to do that, you need to come in and file a notice of intent to tell

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what you you have already done. >> In addition, you cut trees in our jurisdiction. It's actually not just a jurisdiction. It's not a land. And I I I check in with my husband and

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the next thing he he he told me like because it's like it's clean house maintenance rule spring cleaning he see couple like the tree and the brand is dying so he just like cut it off but he didn't know like again we didn't know the wetland if we know it's a different

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story so I understand that so the thing is so for now what you asking us to fill out the notice of intent like what have we done right for the next hearing or >> what should what should we do so we know to address this going forward because

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>> we just want to be clear be be honest with you because I don't know how the processes I will work with someone who actually know about this and then make it happen but um in term of the timing I'm not sure we able to make it next month hearing because we had to wait for

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our designer to do the mapping for us again like what archer in the the location you You know what I mean? Like we just want to red document the information uh for you. So um so what the not that we can't and tell I just

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want to uh put up some note here in K like I don't mess anything for next hearing. >> Well just as I told you two months ago to Philip get a copy of the form >> and y >> answer the questions in writing. And if you're looking for I I know you're using

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the term map, but you must have submitted some drawings, construction drawings to the building department. So you've got drawings somewhere already. So show us what you did. Show us what

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you showed to the building department. >> Okay. >> I certainly hope you got a building permit. Um it's so those documents already exist. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Because I thought you want the um the mapping of

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the thread box that we proposed and wick is we don't have that before because we didn't know we need to capture that at the first play. So that is confusing part. Okay. So we now I got it now. Okay. >> All right. Now, just so that you're on

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knowledge, the enforcement order that we filed, >> including the fine has been filed with the registry of deeds. >> That puts a cloud on the title. I don't know if that's a house that you're going to live in or if you're going to try to sell it.

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>> No, it's our very first house and we want to really keep that. I I didn't know that. It's like so complicated when we we do all this. It's take us like 20 years blood to get the house and now next thing we know we got some like issue with the towel. So like Yeah. So

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that's why we we need to iron this out because we you know Yeah. >> And it and delay is not going to help you. >> Yeah. >> We we expect months ago. Yes. I understand. >> I I understand. At least I I understand.

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Maybe last December you didn't know that. But >> we didn't be honest. didn't know until we first missed you guys in person. We we have because you know there's a lot of back and forth like kid in school a lot of going on from for me at the first

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home owner too. So it's like a lot of paperwork and thing and working too like you guys understand so I I don't try to make a case here but it's just a lot since I'm not the English is not my first language and I had to work a lot with the construction people and stuff

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like that. So I thought they take care of me and next thing I know, oh we in the wetland then it it additional requirement that we add in and none of us know about that. So that's the thing. So there a lot of back and forth and the timing is show. So we we have been not

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causing the delay but because we don't know to solve the problem at the first place. So we're going to do that. But the thing is we asking can we get the waiver on the enforcement acts? No >> order at all. >> No,

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>> even the first time though like we we really not >> the state law is not intentional. So >> understood. Understood. You may be asking me a different question and that is would we consider reducing the fine?

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The fine is going on $300 per day. Now, from from which day though? From which day you actually counting though? >> The day we voted at our last meeting? >> This is May 12, right? >> Well, that's that's $300 per day. In

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April, we we voted a fine. Maybe it was March. We initially voted a fine for one one $300 fine. And then you didn't do anything. We talked to you in person and you made some of the very articulate arguments then that you have said

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tonight. So everything you said you've told us before two months ago. >> No, no, I I I understand but the thing is I'm not clear that the thing is because I thought I already paid the 305 that the first warning. So I already addressed everything uh including that

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um issue but I didn't know it's just the the part of the process. So I didn't know that's like there another stop add into it. So I I not aware of I'm I going to be my fault because I'm didn't aware

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understand wealth but um but >> there's no such thing. I I know you keep saying that and I'm >> I I no I understand but I understand yeah I understand I understand and I know um you guys have a lot of thing to address and you give us a couple of

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chain but really is there in anything that you can redo the file or or something we can able to to make the K because we just want to understand like the start date of getting the five and like how we can redo that make the case

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like smooth out. >> You can start by doing what we asked you to do last December and January and February and March and April and May and now again in June. Just do it and then

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we will when when it's resolved, we will then consider your plea for some kind of a reduction in the fine. >> Okay. >> We will we will listen to you. >> Okay. Perfect. Yeah. So, okay. At least I just want to understand the process because I don't know. Sorry for taking

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it so long to understand this. But thank you. Okay, we'll do that. >> Okay. >> And are we expect to have a hearing next month? And if if I cannot make it, can I moving to the following month or the longer I get is the fine will will

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>> the getting bigger? I I mean you've just ignored us for six months. >> No, be honest. We not ignore you. We are trying to address the issue but the thing is I I didn't realize because I pay for the file and I thought it's a cover you guys just put it on like a

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warning sign because we have first time uh knowledge about that we didn't know that there is additional step that we need to address. know we we didn't have a kind like of I had I don't I don't want to try to like um excuse that I

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didn't get the information but a lot of ver verbal we don't have a like really like formal um communication to understand the process at all so that's the thing >> but now you do understand it and I'm telling you that we will listen to your

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plea for a reduced fine but we will not do that >> and you comply without regulations. >> Okay, we'll do that. >> Still in violation. >> We'll do that. Thank you. >> Good. >> If anybody else wants to to weigh in on

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this, I would just like to get it started at least. >> Please stay in touch with Philip. You see him on the screen there. You know where his office is on Randolph Avenue at DPW. He's been willing to help you from day one. >> Okay? and he's still willing to help

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you. >> No, the thing is we we didn't know because we have the mapping but it's just a stretch box that we didn't capture it. So that's why we didn't understand the process overall. That's all. >> But now we don't. >> Perfect. That's good news.

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>> Yeah. >> Look forward to meeting with you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anything else, folks? All right. Thanks. So, we'll put you on the agenda for July 14th, but please see Philillip. He'll be there tomorrow

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morning at 7:00 and he's there every morning at 7:00. >> Yes, I I will be there. Thank you. Thank you for the involvement. >> Thank you. All right. Good night. Um, next on the agenda is approval of

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conservation restriction at 88 Milton Street. We're going to defer that. Um for those that have you know joined the conservation commission since after 1997

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u the history of this uh goes back a long way uh to 97 we issued an enforcement order. We issued a second enforcement order in uh 1998. Uh we went to D. We did battle with them for quite a while. Um and then somewhere around

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2015 the property was sold. Um, and at the time of the sale, we did impose and and collect a fine of $75,000 for the violations. Um, and at that time, the uh the new homeowners agreed to convey to us about a half acre of

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property at the intersection of Milton Street and Brush Hill Road. Um, for reasons that I couldn't possibly explain, uh, what's happened over the last 10 years, we originally had an agreement that I signed, every member of

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the conservation commission signed, uh, every member of the select board signed, and then the state said, "Oh, no, no. We want to change some language." And so, for the last 10 years, we've been kind of hung up. We're very, very close. And we have an agreement with a homeowner,

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Dor Begnanal, uh, with whom we've met a lot. And when I say we, I'm talking about um, uh, John Flynn, town council, and myself and Steve has met with him a couple, I think some of the times. Um, and I I think we've now agreed upon

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everything. Uh, I thought we would uh submit tonight for your review um this conservation restriction, but John Flynn advised that rather than repeat what we did 10 years ago, we give it to the state first to make sure that they sign

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off it. This is EOA that has to sign off on the conservation restriction language. So, we've kind of reversed what we did 10 years ago. Then we had the select board approve it and the uh conservation commission approve it. um and then the state put a stop to it.

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This time we're asking for the state approval first and it'll come back to us. It should be back to us in July. That's my hope. Uh because I know John Flynn has put a ton of time into this and we've had surveys and reserveys and Steve has done something called a base

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report um a couple of times and amended it and updated it. So there's been a lot of time and effort that went into this conservation restriction. a little complicated because MWR has an easement through the same area of land, but um we

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work through all that. So, we should have a product next uh July 14th. Okay. So, we'll defer that one until the next meeting. Any questions on that? Um hearing none, we will go on to the next one, which is certificate of compliance

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at 21426 Anquity Road. Um, Ned Corkran is here to explain this. Um, but before before that begins, I have to uh uh get you kind of up to speed on what's happened here over the last uh 25 26 26

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years. 27 years, I think. Only Bob Hanigan has a memory long enough to to remember this case. Um, but it involves land at the uh base of the private way that goes up the hill right near the uh

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flood control dam where Anquity Road and Holland Street come together. Now, as it turns out, Ned's clients um are two women uh from the West Coast um whom I also represent. Uh, so I'm going to

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recuse myself from this case, but um I will stand by because I have the institutional history of what happened in 99 and 2000 um that at the time had absolutely nothing to do with uh the the

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ladies that Ned represents. And I my representation is a completely different unrelated issue. Something that happened in um Canton, Mass and involves a law firm. It's got nothing to do with this issue. However, my because I have a

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financial interest with the women, I'm going to disappear, but you you may want to call me back because what it relates to is a order of well an enforcement order that issued initially um and then a notice of intent that was

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issued in 1999 and then the enforcement order was 99. We asked for a notice of intent and an order of conditions was issued in 2000. which I signed. Um, and uh, it had to do with an installation of drainage

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components of a drainage system at the bottom of the private drive. And, uh, Bob was the engineer at the time. It was installed u back in 2000 2001, I guess. And everything appeared to be fine, but they never got a notice of uh, I mean a

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certificate of completion. Um, and then in 2015, uh, DCR came in and they filed a notice that we signed, we issued an order of conditions in 2015, uh, for a drainage system which was in the same area that involved a culvert

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underneath Harlem Street that actually took some of the water from the hillside to the um the drainage detention right near where the concrete abutment is of the dam. Um, and so it gets a little complicated, but that's really my

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knowledge of of what occurred. So, I'm going to recuse myself and disappear, but if you have like a factual question that happened back in 99 and 2000, uh, just text me, okay? And I've asked Arthur. I I saw this coming. I've talked to Ned about it. Um, and I talked to

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Arthur and asked him to take over uh, in my absence. So, I will disappear, but I'll have my phone and Arthur if if you need a question or I can fill in any of the factual u you know the the the issues from 25

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years ago, just call me. Okay, >> thank you John for that background information and welcome Bob and Ned. >> Thank you >> this evening. Um we have uh Bob your um

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document your letter of June 3rd 2026 along with the um um site map from it looks like 2000. Um who would like to go first? Ned >> I I'll take the lead on this. Um Arthur,

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thank you to the members of the commission. Ned Corkran for the record. I'm with Bob Hanigan uh who was the who is the engineer of record for the work that was done. I've got three plans to walk through somewhat quickly that shows

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how what modifications have taken place. Um and if I can share the screen, I will go ahead and do that. Now, of course, I got to find See? Okay.

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Can we see that? >> Yes. Thank you. >> Yeah. This is this is a 1998 ANR plan approval not required plan that was uh endorsed by the planning board to approve the subdivision of this lot

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large lot into four smaller lots. Um my clients own this lot having inherited it. Uh they live in two women live in California. This is an unimproved lot. It is for it is there is a purchase and

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sale agreement with between I'm not sure whether it's this lot owner or this owner they are uh the Glenn brothers um and they each have a house one on either side one of them is purchasing this lot

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title came up it was determined it revealed the fact that uh work had been done pursuant to an or first an enforcement order issued by the commission in 1998 because no notice of intent had been filed associated with the building of this uh proposed private

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way. And then as a result of that enforcement order, uh a notice of intent was filed in in 2000. And in December of 2000, uh an order of conditions was issued. One of the things that's important to point

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out is Harland Street as it intersects with Enquity Road. Uh this is the area where the dam is located. But you can see how it comes in at a skew uh uh and and that the proposed private

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way comes in at a right angle at this location. Um can you see this one change in plan? >> Yes. >> Okay. Again, this is Bob's plan that was filed with the with the commission. This

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shows uh more of a closeup the private way coming down intersecting here with uh Ankodi Road. Um there are drainage structures. All of the drainage structures were installed in property of

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uh the MDC, now DCR. Um and the intersection occurs within DCR property. I think perhaps one reason why a certificate of compliance wasn't filed for was because the work was all done on DCR property was within

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road right away uh and not uh within the private uh driveway. Although the the the uh order of the enforcement order and the order of conditions were filed on behalf of a number of people including um DCR uh of significance.

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There are several drainage structures here, here, here. This comes down to a drainage structure here. And there is a trench drain that comes across the bottom of the private way where it

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intersects with Harland Street and that flowed into a drainage swale that Bob had had designed. Um, that work was all done in 2000 2001. Bob's letter indicates that all of the drainage

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structures that were to be installed were were done at the time. They were done properly. Um, but along came uh DCR and the town in 2015 with a plan to

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to re to alter the intersection of uh uh Harland Street with Anquity Road. And by and when they did that, they took away the skew and they brought it to a right angle down here. When they did

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that, they modified this area so that the drainage swale went away and they in place of that they installed a cover under the newly relocated uh Harland Street and and fed that into a rain

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garden uh with uh other drainage structures over here. Um we met last Wednesday the uh Tuesday the day before Bob's letter of June 3 uh or um and u

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what DCR did was they took this aerial overlaid it onto Bob's plan shows that the drainage structures that were called for in Bob's plan here were all installed but and shows that this change was made here and then they outlined

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maintenance um activities that they were going to be pursuing. And in fact, when we were out there, there was a crew um installing all of these modif modifying this area

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as as indicated in this plan. So, what Bob originally proposed was fully installed. Um, it been modified since as a result of action, I think it was approved by the commission in 2015 associated with the relocation or the re

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the redoing of this intersection. And so we're asking that the commission issue an order of conditions that deals with the original order, excuse me, a certificate of compliance that deals with the original order of conditions. Um, and that recognized that there's

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been some modification out there, but that the modification occurred 15 years after the original work was done. That's certainly outside of the control of the homeowners and the and our clients. Uh, and so we think we're ripe for a uh

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issuance of a of a of a certificate of compliance. Um, and so we'll pause there and happy to take questions. >> Thank you, Ned. Um Bob, is there anything that you want to add at this point? >> I know. I know. I think Ned outlined

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everything uh exactly as it happened and I'm comfortable with that. >> Uh let me then turn it over to the uh commissioners and see if there are any questions from members of the commission. Wendy,

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>> can you bring down the uh open up the screen to everybody? >> Sure, >> thank you. >> Or do I just We may need to bring it up for questions, but >> Wendy,

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>> um I was wondering if um if Steve has any comments that he could share with us. Uh, not at this time, Wendy. None whatsoever. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Arthur. I would say that if uh

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if Bob had already certified that the infrastructure was installed per the original design, whatever changes were made after by the town or by the DCR um are a separate issue to the

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certificate of compliance that they're seeking. Now, >> I agree. So, I feel that that this is kind of a a no-brainer and we should provide the certificate of compliance. >> Is is that a motion you wish to make to

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>> I am providing the motion to to to to provide the applicant with a certificate of compliance. Arthur, >> okay. Um, any other questions? Is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> Thank you, Wendy.

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The motion has been made and second. Are there any questions from anybody in the general public who may be watching? Okay, I am uh sensitive to the fact that we need John for a quorum vote. So, let's bring him back. Steve,

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can you signal him? Do you have that? >> Yes, he's there. John, took a break for a late dinner. >> Can you blame him? >> Not at all.

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No. Uh, >> John, you want to return and join us? Thank you. >> Good. >> Okay, he's on his way back. >> Good. >> Thank you, John. The discussion has been

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uh completed including an offer for input from the general public. Uh Ned and Bob have provided the information needed. Any questions have been responded to and there is a motion that

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has been made and seconded to uh off uh to issue the certificate of compliance. >> Yes. I'm sorry. Was the vote taken or just >> we're about to take the vote now, but we >> Well, I I don't want to be here for the vote.

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>> Okay. So, the question is quorum. >> My my understanding of the rules would be that he commenced the meeting >> with a quorum and if John had to recuse himself, you can still go forward with those who remain. >> Ned, that's my interpretation as well.

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Um, and I I actually was thinking about it because today uh I got a email from Alicia. Um, in fact, it was today's what's her Monday meeting called? Uh, something corner something about it. It's a meeting and she issued

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D comments uh both on the open meeting law and what's a quorum and there there is some discussion about when a quorum is had but none of the questions that were addressed address the issue of recusal

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but that is and has been my view Ned I I agree with that so that that's my position >> thank you that clarification is very helpful to everybody and for the record so John do you want recuse yourself again and >> again. I will disappear.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. Uh we have the motion made and seconded. Um I'll take a roll call vote. Wendy, how do you vote? >> I vote yes. >> How do you vote?

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>> And I do vote yes as well. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate uh your attention. And uh before I sign off, I'd like to congratulate Ingred. um for her long um involvement with the commission. That's tremendous public service that

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she and all of you provide uh for the uh for the town. The town doesn't operate uh the way it needs to without people like her and people like you. So, congratulations to her. Best wishes to her and and I applaud the action that you took tonight to recognize her long

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service. >> Most appreciated, Ned. We'll make sure that those comments get passed to her. if she doesn't see the recording. >> I agree. I agree with Ned worked with um Ingred for number of years. So, she's

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always done a good job. >> Thank you, Bob, very much. And thank you both for your patience and duration for a long meeting this evening. We're not finished yet, but you're free to go. >> You have no business. >> Good night.

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>> Good night, guys. You're welcome to stay if you want to punish yourselves, but night. >> Pass my bedtime. >> Okay. >> All right. Let's try this again. Okay, good. >> The captain of the ship has returned.

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>> Thanks. Um I think I think I it's a it's a public meeting. So just as a member of the public what what did you do? >> Uh we uh voted to issue the certificate of compliance unanimously. >> Oh okay. Thanks. Um I mean thanks for

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telling me. I don't I'm not I'm not getting involved in what the vote was. Um, >> and very nice comments from Ned and Bob uh on behalf of Ingred and appreciation for uh your testimonial and the plaque for her.

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>> Oh, good. That's good. Um, so with that gets us up to new business. Any new business? >> I included a letter from a resident, actually two residents about a tree on private property in the packet.

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>> Yes. I I read that and and my my view is pretty clear that if it's on private land, whether it's jurisdictional to us or not, you know, the the whole public safety issue is theirs, they have a

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right to and it's public safety, they probably should take it down. um you know, assuming it's it's dead, but their request for um financial support um I I don't think that's appropriate.

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We're a public entity. These are we deal with taxpayer money and improvement on a on private land is not within our purview. Um, so that if they're looking for guidance, um, I'd certainly be happy to

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u respond to it and just say that um, it it's not within our private to spend public money to take down a tree on private land if it's a public safety issue. If they're asking us, can we take it down? That's different. And if it's jurisdictional and um you know to avoid

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the the uh tree replacement $700 you know per new tree to equal the circumference. If that's the question then if the tree is dead it it should come down. That's maintenance and that's a recognized uh exception to the uh wild

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protection act. It's it's a state exception for maintenance and public safety is part of the maintenance. So uh they would not have to replace the tree if it's dead. But I don't think that's what they're asking. I'd be happy to talk to them about that. But my view is

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that um we we cannot take on the cost of public maintenance of the I mean uh use public funds to maintain private land. Somebody else may disagree with that. I'd be delighted to hear.

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>> It looks like your hand is up, Wendy. Really? >> Yeah. No, it shows on the screen. >> Oh, really? Um, let me see if I >> It's not there any longer. Oh, there it is.

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>> Charlie's now Charlie's got it. >> Oh, that wasn't me. >> Someone's passing that hand around. >> AI. Blame AI. >> Everyone put their hands down. Let's wrap it up. Okay. I have uh I concur with John

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Charlie. I'm sure you do too. Is that fair? >> Yeah, >> I do as well. >> Okay, good. >> I have uh one matter. Um too, John. Uh Steve, were you able to get that map

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that I sent you in an email? >> Uh no, I'm sorry. I didn't see any map that you sent. >> Okay. I must have sent it to the old address. although it didn't bounce back. But in any event, this uh will be very

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quick. Uh regards the signs, we approve putting a sign on 5 acres of land that the conservation commission owns at the intersection of Highland Street and Canton Avenue.

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And uh we agreed that we would put it at the corner and the police chief said that was fine. The DPW got back to me last week and said um because of the nature of the terrain, it

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it just isn't going to work at that location. There would be about 10ft drop approximately and require 14t posts and uh instability with um putting

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in that location. So I went up and I walked the perimeter a couple of times and did find um some alternative sites, called John, had a conversation with him and what came out of that conversation

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was that we would recommend as a substitute for the sign at the intersection of Highland and Canton, two signs, one of which would uh be on both of which of course would be in the

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parcel, but one of them being opposite the northern uh intersection with a Wendel Park and this is an environmentally sensitive area as we

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all know. It's about 150 ft away from the entry to Winter Valley. We've had work up there that uh many of us are familiar with and the terrain would allow a sign to go at that location

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where there is a break in the wall and the land is level with the sidewalk. On Highland Street, there are two possibilities that are level with the sidewalk. One is immediately opposite the police station driveway and then one

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about 100 ft north of that going toward Canton Avenue at the intersection with that. We thought that location would be better rather than have the possibility of distraction opposite the police station uh driveway. So that sign is

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proposed for being placed on Highland uh behind on near the wall on our parcel and it's opposite the field by the police station. So we wanted to bring these to your attention and u see if

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there was a consensus uh to make that modification. >> Any questions? If you're trying to visualize this, keep in mind that these signs are parallel to the sidewalk. There's no sidewalk on Iowa Street, but there is there is on Canton Avenue. So,

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it it's parallel to it. So, it's not, >> you know, it's facing outward from the land. >> That's correct. >> As opposed to like a stop signis on the fossil. I don't know if you can see this. Is this

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Yes, we can see it. >> Okay. So, you can see there behind our boundary line, behind the stone wall uh off public access and uh getting great visibility

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uh from the general public. The traffic as we all know on Highland is um slow because the police station is there so people are more likely to pay attention to it and there's a lot of hospital traffic um in that vicinity and of

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course Rundle Park exit um is another nice location and people slowing down to go into Winter Valley would have visibility as well. So we pass that along to you. Well, that that's, you know, if you're looking for I guess we should be looking

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for a consensus on that. Um, I'm with you as we've discussed 100%. So, you know, Charlie, how how do you feel? Wendy, you okay with this? >> Sounds good to me, Arthur. >> Yep. Sounds great. Thank you for everything you're doing on this this uh

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signage project, Arthur. >> Thanks. We're making some progress. Someday I'll tell you some stories about what's behind the screen. John knows a little bit about that is the

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the second thing is uh to quickly say that there's a sub I won't say a subcommittee there's a working group within the climate action planning committee on conservation and the um chair of that group is um

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suggesting that the four bodies that relate to that in town, the uh shade tree committee, the kind um of course the climate action planning committee, I'm forgetting the fourth one at this time, uh try and raise funds

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about $150,000 to um address conservation related matters in town. And I brought this to John's attention and wanted to let you know about that. Um the sense of the

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conversation that we had was to re remand it back to the climate action planning committee. Uh the the chair of the working group was hoping to get a yes from each of the uh four other

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groups and then start uh to move on a funding uh initiative which would include um a fund me a GoFundMe type of an initiative. But um we've never heard of any initiative of this nature. Uh

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that's been to the best of our knowledge no reach out to town council. U it sounds like it would not be necessarily the type of precedent that we would want to engage in. John comments that you would have on this.

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>> Yeah. I I think that we got two responses. one from Sean McCy at NEPA and saying that that's it's not a good idea and then we got another one from the chair of of the climate action planning committee. Keep in mind that this proposal did not come from the

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chair of the committee, >> right? >> Came from the head of the subcommittee and I I thought the both of them had very negative reactions. My reaction was negative because I don't think, you know, we deal in public funds and we

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should not be soliciting private donations to a GoFundMe. I mean, it it's great to support the project, but I don't think it's our role to as a public entity to raise money from private citizens. And

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>> that was that was the view of of uh Sean McCy at NEPA and and Alex um at U chair of the climate committee. >> Good. They sent uh responses to that effect, John. >> Yeah. Didn't I I sent you an email. I

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came in this afternoon. >> Oh, okay. I haven't yet. >> Okay. Because they both did. And I I sent you an email and said I thought that that would kill the idea. Good. >> I I I think you >> know that and to have the information. I

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do have some email that for some strange reason on my iPhone has over the past month been going into my trash world. So I will go to >> Awesome. >> No, one was from Alex and one was from um Sean McKenni.

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>> Good. Thank you. So we just I just wanted to make you aware of this. Um, after talking with John, we both wanted to make sure in case you heard about it from anybody, um, you were aware of of what had been proposed and our response

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essentially is to participate. >> Yeah. And that that's not negative to public private partnerships because I believe wholeheartedly in public private partnerships. It's just that I don't think a public agency should be

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asking people to contribute to a GoFundMe page. But I I do have a question though because um at the last town meeting there was a great discussion about the warf project uh for a development of a park there and they

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asked for Wendy you know this the 750,000 uh to CPA funds to support the warf project but they needed matching of at least 450 because the whole project was I don't know 1.2 or something something like that. So that's when when the whole

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proposal was based upon private donations, but I thought the proponents thought that they had some commercial support, private commercial support in addition to the CPA, CBC funds. So I I'm not opposed to the idea.

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I just don't think we ought to be as conservation commission members or as a commission asking people to contribute to a GoFundMe page. >> I agree. >> Hey, we're all together. Good.

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>> Those are the two items I had, Mr. Chairman. >> All right, Wendy, you've got one. >> Yes, I do. Thank you, John. Um um I've I've mentioned a couple of times before to you guys about um a project that I'm involved with with the Neponzit

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River Wershed Association um through their resilient resilient Neponzit program. Um, I am going to be hosting a free workshop next week for

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um, Milton and surrounding area residents. Um, it's going to be at from 6:30 until 8 at the new fire station. And um, um, very excited to to share with folks

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my my love of rain gardens. Um, but I also wanted to ask um you all as a commission um for some sort of um formal

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formal um support. support not being the right word because um support often implies financial contribution um but more of a um endorsement

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um for for this project. Um and that would that formal endorsement, whatever we want to call it, um if if um you guys so agree, um would be

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um listed in the press releases and um other sorts of um promotional materials for for this for this project. And um and also I just wanted to mention that

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the workshop is um just part of the rain garden initiative that that we're working on with NPRA. Um, there's also going to be a a free guided tour

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of rain gardens in Milton and um and also a social media um interactive sort of um outreach program. So, um I believe um I had sent something

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to uh to John and Arthur last week and Arthur I believe the word that that you had suggested was endorsement. Is that correct? >> Yes. And uh apparently there were legal implications. So, one of the things um

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that I did was to um look up some synonyms for endorsement and okay >> um >> one of the ones that struck me that you might want to consider is backing the backing of the conservation commission.

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That's something everybody would easily understand I think without necessarily tying knots and legalities. John, what would you call this? >> Um, my initial thought was that um

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endorsement was the best word, but it would require a consensus. It doesn't necessarily require a vote, but it should be considered by the commission as a group. And so I think endorsement is is a good term. >> It can't it no, but it it can't be done

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by, you know, individually. Oh, sure. The conservation commission endorsed this. We have to agree. You like that word? What's your choice? What would Would you like? >> I think endorsement is um rolls off the tongue a little bit

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easier. Um but but I will leave it up to you guys. >> No, I I agree. I think it's a better word. My only concern was that we needed to discuss it as a group. If if the commission's going to do anything,

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support endorse back it, we should talk about it. I think it's a good idea and I do endorse it and support it and back it. Uh but I just wanted to make sure that everybody was okay with that. >> Wendy, you have my endorsement.

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>> Oh, Charlie, I'm gonna set up a GoFundMe, too. Just kidding. Just kidding. >> I'll just say ditto. So, there's four. So, you've got your word, right, John? You got it. >> Awesome. >> All right. You're good to go.

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>> Much appreciated. >> And what what is the date of both the workshop and and the tour? >> Um the workshop is the 16th, June 16th, next Tuesday. Um the tour is to be determined. >> Got it. Okay.

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>> Yeah. >> Thanks. Doing that. I mean it's a lot of work and I don't know if you've had a chance to share your u one and a half page with everybody but it's very nicely done. >> A thank you Arthur. Yeah. Um I will I

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will forward it to to the commission um with the addition of >> language saying endorsed by the Milton Conservation Commission. >> Good news. >> Thank you.

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All right. Any additional business hearing? None. I think we're good to go. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Vote. All in favor? >> Second. >> Done. >> Charlie, you want to debate this or what? >> No, no, no, no. John, let's move on.

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It's getting late. >> All right. Good night all. Good night, everybody. Good night, everybody.