Okay. So, it's uh 6:03 p.m. and I'll call this March meeting of the Climate Action Planning Committee to order. Welcome everybody. Um I'll do a
a quick round a roll call and introductions uh by name because it really helps with uh preparing processing the transcripts later. Um, so I'm Alex Asha, the chair. Uh, let's go to my right in the room. I'm Kai
Mueller, the municipal energy manager of Milton. I'm Hail Smith. >> Um, Israel. I work on conservation stuff. >> I'm Avante, the assistant plan director at Baton.
>> Great. Okay. >> Sorry, I didn't catch your name. Avante. >> Avante. >> All right. And uh online, let me start with Kim. >> Hi, I'm Kim Johnson. Kyle Johnson,
>> Matt Kenucci, >> Maggie Oldfield, >> Steve Popkin who works on transportation. >> Great. Uh, I think there a few others on, but they may be otherwise disposed at the moment. and I'm Morgan Bersamian is on.
Okay, wonderful. Um, so let's kick it off with item two on the agenda. Vote to approve the February 2026 meeting minutes. Um, did anybody have any questions or
corrections to offer for the meeting minutes? Uh, hearing none, I'll entertain motions to approve the meeting minutes. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Okay,
Matt moved to approve and Ron seconds. Um, all opposed. All right. All in favor uh with the record show that well all abstaining.
>> I missed I was >> I wasn't here so >> okay Maggie and H are staying um I have to count. Uh let's see. That's that's enough. So the with six votes in favor uh meetings meeting
minutes are approved. Wonderful. Okay. Now um next item on the agenda is our energy managers update. And so Pat has several things to share with us. I'll pass it over to you. >> Thank you. So, the first item I'd like
to provide an update on is good news. Yesterday, we received confirmation from the Department of Energy Resources, the state department of energy resources that the town had been selected for a
grant for a battery storage feasibility study at Town Hall and the fire headquarters. And the pro the name of the program is advancing Massachusetts power AM.
There are different program tracks. We'd applied to the program track to fund a feasibility study which we were now approved for. And the second step of this would be an uh application for the
actual implementation grant. uh which would mean money for the battery storage system. Um, from what I understand in the funding documents, the
second step, the implementation grant application, uh, which has a deadline of August of this year, um, the implementation grant would only cover up to 75% of the total
battery cost, which means that the remaining 25% would and I I have to say that I haven't fully confirmed this yet but this is based on my current reading of the uh of
the funding document 25% the remaining 25% would have to be covered by the town and whatever is not covered in terms of technical analysis by the feasibility study which means the actual design
documents what the battery storage system would look like that I believe would also have to be covered by the town. So even if you were successful in getting a couple of hundred,000
up to a couple of hundred,000 for a battery to store electricity um for power outages, but also to uh as a revenue source
um at at town hall and or fire headquarters. the those uh costs would be in majority covered by the grant but there would be some costs that the town would also have to cover. I have uh six more items but I'm happy
to take questions on on each item that I present. >> Can you say more about the content of the study and who designed it? Who designed the proposals? We um will receive the study in the
coming weeks. The study will be conducted between March and June. So what we received confirmation for is not the study itself but the funding for the feasibility study.
>> But were there goals for the study? Yeah, the goals would be to uh determine whether and where and how battery storage a battery storage system would
make sense uh between town hall and the fire headquarters between and or next. So, I'm hoping to get answers, for example, on whether it makes sense to have one
big battery storage system for both town hall and the fire headquarters or whether separate battery batteries would make more sense or whether one site out of the two here is more uh suitable than
the other. Um, also what the revenue projections would look like, what it would look like in terms of compatibility with the upcoming solar panels at the fire headquarters, but because that's also something we're
making progress on. Um, a solar power purchase agreement with Select, the company Select. Um and that that will be in third party ownership. They will provide us
electricity at a fixed rate at at a very advantageous rate for 20 years. And how does that work in conjunction with the battery storage? Those are some of the questions I hope that the feasibility study can answer. So the storage would
be for the town hall fire department only. >> Um yes. >> And the revenue would come in. How how would there be revenue? There could be revenue for example
um by joining programs that the utilities run which encourage uh load management. I think that's the correct term. when uh the demand on the grid is very high then
the battery could release any electricity that it has stored at higher prices uh and that that revenue of the sold electricity would come back to the town
and I understand that it's not always one to one but most the majority of the actual electricity stored would come back to the town in in form of revenue. Yeah. And the alternative and and that's also
something I would like to get answers on is to have it as a exclusively as a backup source of power. Now batteries unlike diesel emergency generators mo unless they're designed very very
large they can only provide uh backup electricity for a couple of hours as opposed to a couple of days. it kicks in quicker which means that it's more effective and for um electronic systems or IT systems but it um can only provide
backup electricity for a couple of hours and one needs to um I think there I think there's a trade-off between always having the maximum amount of electricity available for a potential backup versus
viewing it as a potential source of revenue and selling some of the electricity in in uh in high demand periods. I hope the feasibility study will provide some answers on it. I'll um I
can also search if it's similar to the or if it's the same as what they do for the residential program for battery storage like Eversource for example, they have some helpful resources on their website that show like what the average like earnings are um for someone who who participates in that in that
sort of program that could be helpful um for if anyone on the committee is interested to see that. Um, and then Kyle, one question I had was I think I know the answer to this, but are there any um state or federal there any other state or federal credits
that come into play for the portion that we would have to pay for um the 25%. >> From what I understand, um maybe I uh so I know that there still is a pathway to
make use of the federal tax credits for renewable energy and I believe that still applies to battery. However, as of the beginning of this year, it became much much more
complicated because of foreign because of federal restrictions on foreign parts in the components of these uh clean energy um products. And on the state level,
um there would be incentives, not necessarily tax incentives, but incentives in the form of smart payments. So the state would incentivize electricity sold from batteries. Um
but apart from this grant that we we would be aiming for in August, I don't know of any additional state grants that could cover that those 25%. That's something I would have to look into.
Will the study be completed in time to apply for the implementation grant in August? >> Yes, that's the way they lined up the program timelines. >> Okay. >> I um yeah any any more questions? I do
have a couple of more items. So that's The other thing I'd like to present to the um I'm an action planning committee are town meeting articles for the um the May 5th I believe it is
town meeting and I'm only going to because of the the lack of time I can only prevent um provide you like a a verbal explanation without going into the the exact wording or the details of
the articles and from what I understand they're still they might still be subject to change but this is broadly speaking what will be presented and the town meeting articles as of now can be
split into two topics one is a solar an authorization for solar net metering credit agreements and maybe I can read actually maybe I can read the exact wording. Um,
it would be in article two, and I quote, to see if the town will vote to authorize the select board to enter into agreements for the purchase of
electricity and or solar credits from any renewable energy facility. on such terms and conditions and for such term of years as the select board shall deem in the best interest of the town.
And the um the reason for this article is that um the town is in negotiations with a solar company which would provide so-called solar net metering credits which are which is basically discount of
uh roughly se 17% on electricity for the town. Um and uh the the reason why this article is
necessary is that from what I understand uh the the town meeting would need to approve any longer term contracts and this article would provide the authorization for such a long-term
contract because over 10 or or 25 years there would be this agreement for the discounted electricity from a solar facility. So that's uh this first topic and then there's a second topic related to town
articles but you might have questions on this. Is this a organization related to solar simplified? You've ever heard of that organization? The company is named Reild. Re
one word. What are the the risks to the to the town um embedded in a contract to that length? So I think one one could think of many
risks um that that the lawyers the town lawyers or the company hired by the town has been looking at. For example, what happens if the solar uh facility does not produce as much
energy as uh it it said it would and how and if would there be compensation from what I understand there would be compensation. There are protections around that. Another potential risk is
that um the town commits to purchasing these solar net metering credits which are basically equivalent to uh demand volumes of electricity for 20 or 25 years. And suddenly the
electricity usage of the town goes back and we have all these excess net metering credits that the town doesn't need. It's something which actually happened to some towns in Massachusetts.
um that risk was addressed by uh contract we will only cover I think 80% was the last number I remember 80% of the current town electricity consumption
through these net metering credits which means that even under the scenario that the town reduced its electricity consumption by 20% it would we would still have no excess credits. And I personally think that it's far
more likely that electricity consumption will go up in the coming years because of the transition from gas heating to electric heating. Those are two of main uh risks I can
>> This covers municipal electricity consumption, correct? Not not residential, >> not residential, not business. Yep. This is just the municipal. >> This would just be the municipality's
electricity consumption. >> So this would not for example have anything to do with our town community electricity aggregation. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Wait, can I ask a question? >> Yeah. >> This is 25 years the standard. Have have
other towns embarked on this length of contract? 25 years is a long time and a lot can happen in 25 years. Is there an opportunity to do like a trial for a shorter term and then it an extension
opportunity? >> So uh please don't um please don't rely on the 25-y year number. It's 20 20 or 25. Um in any case it is a long commitment. Um, other towns
do use it. It's it's a widespread practice. I have not heard of a of a trial. Um, the the discount rate of uh 17.5% on electricity that we would be getting
is actually uh exceptionally good in today's market. Um I from what I've been told from what we were told today 12% is more common 13% and maybe 5 or 10 years
ago 17% was still possible but less so today. So it is a it is a good way of cutting electricity costs. Um, if one manages the net meter and credits properly, they would have to be
allocated on a regular basis to the town's different electricity accounts. Would that be part of your role? >> I don't know yet. >> Any any more questions on on this topic? I think in the interest of town she probably should get there.
>> The second Yeah. The second uh topic around um town meeting articles are um authorizations related to solar panels. Um
and I I was not privy to the exact deliberations around this, but um similarly to the solar net meter and credit agreement um these solar
power purchasing agreements to yeah they sound very uh similar. They are similar but in some ways but they're also different in other ways. The second topic of solar PPAs, power purchasing agreements,
um is uh when a third party installs um solar panels on town property and sells uh the the electricity from those solar panels to the town at a fixed price over
several years. Um, for example, Select, the company we're working with, they proposed um, in their projections and in their proposal they sent to us, they said that over 20 years they could
sell us electricity at 5 cents per kilowatt hour every year. Um which means I mean 5 um 5 cents per kilowatt hour is a very good rate today because uh the
price the electricity price a town is paying I believe currently is 28 cents. So it would be uh huge saving and on top of that with inflation and increasing electricity prices those five cents will
pay off even more in 10 or 15 years. Um now the three locations which were being prioritized for these solar PPAs are the animal shelter, the fire headquarters
and the public library and the town article on this would say something along the lines of I mean it's a it's a long and complicated article in legal ease. So, I'll try to
paraphrase. It would be it would be a vote to authorize whether the town can transfer some of the parcel on which this uh solar panel is to be
installed over to um over to the company the solar company only for the purpose of leasing. So it would be it would not be an
ownership transfer. It would be a lease of leasing the portions of the property to use it for solar panels. Um and to and those solar panels would only be for the use uh to produce electricity
for the town. So those are the town articles um that will also be proposed at the town meeting. Now, if I understand correctly, I think se most of the uh solar panel installations that are on
our school buildings are also done the same way with long-term power purchase agreements. Were there time similar time articles for those installations? That's a good question and I don't know. I would
expect that yes, there would have been the same articles 15 or 20 similar articles 15 or 20 years ago, but I don't I don't know that. It's a good question. It always helps to know that this is something we've done before and have some experience with.
>> Yeah. So, I'm not sure if we've done it before. I don't know 100%, but I feel like the the panels on town hall and maybe Cunningham the town owns. >> Correct. So if the town owns the panels,
then we didn't have to get into a lease agreement. >> Correct. >> So this is the town is not going to be owning the sour the solar panels. So that's why we need a lease agreement. >> Correct. They did a the warrant committee talked
about this the other night and I didn't unfortunately catch the whole um meeting but one member did a um a comparison is as if the town should buy the solar panels and own it just like we do the
ones on town hall and Cunningham versus leasing. And he said, "Of course, it would be an outlay of um you know, expenditures to install, purchase, and install, but over the lifetime, the town would get more
money, would keep more money. Like long-term, it's financially better. Shortterm, it's a lay of money." So, I'm not sure which direction the warrant committee is going on this. I don't think they took a vote one way or the
other, but as this one member said, it's like leasing a car versus buying a car. It's always a little bit better to buy. So, I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. So, that's why I was asking you and your experience is one way.
My personal opinion is that yes, it is there is a clear financial advantage for a town to own the renewable or the clean energy facilities whether it's batteries or solar panels because it
does pay off uh s significantly more. However, over the past months, I've also looked into the amount of labor that would be involved in pulling off uh the the
scenario in which the town would own the solar panels and it would be a very large and complex undertaking especially with the federal tax situation. Um, and
so in in light of the the complexity and the limited staff in a small town like Milton as opposed to maybe a Worcester, Worcester, they they have a very successful model, but they're they have dozens of employees.
They have their own sustainability department. I'm a part-time energy manager. Um, and and they they were able to figure it out. But for a small town and I've been speaking with many different people, mis municipal experts
and and energy experts and my conclusion is that maybe unfortunately with the limited resources, this solar PPA, especially with um timeline constraints around federal
tax credits, was the best way forward. Uh the the solar PPAs were the best way forward. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, um any more questions on this? Uh, one question with the solar PPA,
will uh over time as the technology gets better, would the company then potentially replace the panels that they put on with better technology or fix it when they break versus, you know, if the town owned it that we would have to or
hey, have another outlay to replace the actual panels. >> Um, yes. I mean for for the time of the contract the company would be u responsible for maintaining the minimum
production volume of solar electricity and uh if a panel or an inverter breaks it would be their responsibility to fix it um at no cost to the town. And on the
yeah to your point of what would happen in the town owned scenario um if a component breaks then it would be the town's responsibility to fix it and unfortunately at Colott Cunningham the inverter has been broken for I believe
one or two years now and it has been broken for that long and not fixed because an inverter costs $110,000. Um, yeah, that's that's another downside of the townowned
uh scenario. It's like when you own a car, you can get more more u financial benefit out of it, but you have to put more energy into maintaining them. Yep.
Um the next uh item I'd like to address is the um climate leader communic uh climate leader community application. So um Milton has been a
green community as designated by the Massachusetts Department of Energy Resources since two 2010. one of the first green communities and one of the one of the municipalities which has actually received most dollars
of all in Massachusetts. Um and now thanks to the effort of all of you and others in Milton um we're very close to submitting an application to become not a green community but a climate leader
which is a step up in this status and which would unlock additional funding. The deadline the application deadline is the end of June. The town has already fulfilled four of the six criteria. two
are remaining and in works. Um the remaining two are a zero emissions vehicles first policy which is being worked on and a municipal decarbonization road map which would lay
out how the town and not the town with residents and companies but just the town property more narrowly would decarbonize by 2050. So that's just a quick update and I can
answer questions on that. So the the if I um I can't remember if we've talked about this at previous meetings, but we have a grant from DOE to work with consultants on the municipal decarbonization roadmap and that's in progress.
>> Correct. That's in progress. >> Okay. And what's the timeline for completing that? The road map will be completed by April 20th according to our consultant power options. Okay. April 20th setting and that the scope of that
is just to identify the fossil fuel systems on town properties. um estimate their their lifespans and get kind of a timeline of when we expect
these um um decision points of needing to replace them with electric alternatives to happen so that we can be prepared. >> Exactly. >> It does not include like a full
feasibility study cost estate. Yeah, that's that's something that you you learn which one to come in first and then you you work backwards to make sure that you are ready with that information when the time comes. >> Exactly. What this municipal decarbonization roadmap does is provide
a bird's eyee view of which critical fossil fuel equipment is likely to come to the end of its life in the near term or longer term. And with that information, the
town can better plan uh capital uh investments and prioritize prioritize which buildings to upgrade. Uh, Kai, am I correct in understanding that the town hall is um uh
is facing uh capital improvements to HVAC system and windows and uh weatherization. Um yeah, if I yeah, if I remember correctly, there uh will be a study. I believe
there there's money in the capital there's capital money for a study of window replacements. Um I'm not sure about building envelope improvements though that might also be
something to be looked at. Um yeah I this this building definitely needs work. And do we know what the the uh life expectancy of the HVAC system in this building is?
>> Um I know a chiller was only installed recently in three years ago. So the cooling system is is okay. And the I think the heating system was also replaced only fairly
recently, maybe five years ago. Um, so overall the most or big components of the HVAC system are still in good condition, >> right? >> Is anybody uh from the capital planning
committee aware of the or engaged with the municipal decarbonization roadmap? was the plan to bring loop them in once we had that information. >> Yeah, I I can I did not think of the
uh capital planning committee as potential um audience, but I I can include them. I asked our consultants to today how many presentations they would be able to give because I was
hoping to have at least one presentation of the decarbonization roadmap for the decision makers who will whose approval will be needed for the climate leader application and the decision makers are this school superintendent and the
select board and the town administrator. So one presentation of the decarbonization roadmap for them but also second one for other important stakeholders including the climate action planning committee planning department facilities department and other actors. That's what
I was asking today and I haven't got an answer if that's possible but even if the consultant themselves couldn't present it I'd be happy to present it. Hey, Kai. Uh, great great news that the application is almost ready to submit.
>> 20th it sounds like is important in terms of the decarbonization roadmap. Any other pieces missing beside that? >> This is for the climate leader community. >> Correct. >> Application. >> Correct. The zero emissions first policy
which would have to be approved by the select board and the school superintendent. And that's being worked on right now. >> Okay. And then that's great. So let's assume application goes in you know whatever 1 of May pick pick a date. Do
we know how many >> June 30th? Okay. By June 30th. Do we know how many communities submit like what you know obviously it's not like we we win a trophy uh by getting this certification. It unlocks potentially some funding and some some other
resources. Is there any reason to think that we will not get that certification? >> I have been told that whoever whichever municipality fulfills the criteria will also become a climate leader um community.
>> Fantastic. Yeah. >> Um and unlike with green communities, there's no so-called designation grants. So it's not as if the moment one becomes a climate leader, one gets a pot of money. However, one becomes eligible for
greater funding opportunities actually than through green communities. The technical assistance so for design or other investigative studies is up to 150,000 and the actual implementation funding is up to $1 million. >> Yeah. Yeah, I remember that from earlier
discussion. That's fantastic. uh Alex and just committee overall. Again, let's not >> count our chickens yet, but you know, this was what we wanted with the town article and it's it passed and nice to be able to go back in front, you know, at some point this year and say, you
know, we've obviously moved uh moved that initiative forward profoundly. So, um again, not knock on wood, but that's fantastic. >> Yeah. I'll I'll get to the potential dark clouds gathering. Oh no. Oh no.
>> But I'll I'll another another before that another couple of items. Um as part of the longer term decarbonization planning, uh we're in the process of getting a so-called comprehensive building assessment, which is another
word for an electrification study of the high school. So unlike the municipal decarbonization roadmap, this is a more in-depth study of the high school, the biggest energy consumer of the town. I think it accounts for 25% of the town's
energy usage. So that's why we prioritize the high school. We don't have any results yet, but the engineer visited the high school last week. That's that happened. We're in the process of getting EV charging stations,
new EV charging stations at town hall and the council on aging. So, sorry, we're in the process of reviewing the feasibility and the idea would be to actually get them new EV charging stations at town hall and council on
aging. Um, and we're about to apply for a green community competitive grant for heat pump upgrades or VRF variable refri refrigerant flow upgrades at the council
on aging. So, those are some of the shorter updates. Any questions on those? The variable refrigerant flow upgrades. My my understanding is just the modern EP pumps that that perform well down to
New England frigid temperatures use variable refrigerant flow to achieve that efficiency. So you're basically saying we'd get we're trying to get new a new HVAC a new set of heat pumps to the council on aging and they would be this modern high efficiency type or is
it actually like a retrofit to existing heat pumps to make them more efficient? It's a replacement of the current gas heating through heat pumps. Uh I think it's air it's air source heat pumps. And what a VRF what a variable
refrigerant flow system is as opposed to heat pumps is that it's basically the the macro system of a of different heat pumps put together. It's um the unlike
just one individual or unlike a set of individual heat pumps connecting separate rooms. It's one whole macro heat pump system that can regulate in a
highly efficient way uh the refrigerant which transports heat between spaces to different rooms in a way that allows for simultaneous cooling or heating or temperature
setting at different levels. Um yeah. Okay. Cool. It's a cool thing once you look into it. Yeah. And then finally, the dark the dark clouds gathering. Um the state
house, the Massachusetts state house last week approved a so-called energy affordability bill um which included some good provisions in my opinion good provisions for energy
affordability in the state. However, there were also some concerning cuts which uh with potential ramifications for your work and and my work as the energy manager. um a $1 billion cut to
mass save in the three-year cycle of 2025 to 2027. Which means effectively out of the $4.5 billion budget that Massave had for 2025
to 2027, $1 billion would be cut for the remaining time until 2027. Um so uh it would disproport it would be a disproportionate cut to
the the 20 the remainder of this year end of 2027. Um and there is also a clause in the current bill on um cutting
uh on re-shifting money from and it now it gets complicated the alternative compliance payment fund which is one of the main funding sources for the climate leader program.
Today I got good news from DOER. They said that despite these clauses in the bill in the immediate climate leader funding would not be affected. So, I think that if and when Milton becomes a
climate leader, hopefully by the late this year, uh that it could still access climate leader funding next year and the year after. However, in the longer term,
um this bill could have potential ramifications for the climate leader funding um and mass. And I think the bigger the bigger cuts would really be to mass save, which is um ma maybe the
most effective energy efficiency program run by any state in the United States. And um it's being described as the main source of energy price pressures
in Massachusetts. My personal opinion is that there are other far uh more important causes of energy of lack of energy affordability in the state. But that's just something I think you as as the
climate action planning committee should have on your radar. In what ways specifically do the cuts to mass save are they going to affect our work and you
from what I understand it will um not the cuts I find this a bit hard to believe but they what is being said is that the cuts would not affect funding for heat pumps and the reason why I find this hard to believe is that if one
thinks about the numbers of $4.5 billion over 3 years. We're already halfway through. Half of $4.5 billion is $2.2 billion. So $1 billion cut to $2.2 billion
leaves $1.2 billion left. And they claim that these cuts would only be to advertising as opposed to the actual uh energy efficiency upgrades. Um, I don't I don't know. But even if it
was advertising, I I worry that this advertising and marketing and outreach would be a heavy blow to the very weakness, the very current weaknesses of Mass Save, which
are a two tepid outreach to lower income communities. Mass save is disproportionately used by higher income households by homeowners and program has been undergoing a more
has been taking a more proactive stance to try to reach lower income households and that might fall under the marketing term. >> Has the bill been passed? >> It has been passed by the Massachusetts state house.
Side note, after it being the lawmakers were only given 48 hours to review the bill >> and it's a very complicated bill, I can assure you and now it's um it's uh up to for review by the state senate. So
>> if if you find the bill concerning, then it would be the state senator. Um, >> so just time for us to to inform ourselves. >> Yeah. >> Um, more thoroughly and and be in touch
with our local center. >> I was in my wife and I were in touch with our state rep. Um, obviously that was not effective, but it makes sense that you know that committee members
should really reach out to uh our senator. >> Yeah, I'll just make a quick note that um I believe there's going to be an event coming up uh April 9th at the state house. So, legislative breakfast
and um yeah, it's kind of like a joint event with MAPC's um inner core and um the three rivers interlocal council um kind of communities. So, everybody's going to
come. once in the morning. But essentially, I believe it's going to be like a good opportunity if you do want to voice your concerns about this bill, about any of the other bills that are going to be um you know, that are currently being discussed right now. Um
so, so that' be something to watch out for. >> When is that? >> Uh April 9th. >> April 9th. >> Yeah. Is it appropriate for our committee to say something to a senator?
>> I don't have a vote on any kind of statement on the agenda tonight. Um so I think the timing is difficult for the the committee to speak as a committee. Um, but I think we're all
individually as, you know, some of the people most likely in in town to um to dig into the details and and um you provide informative
uh feedback and so I I plan to run out sometimes and do that post. I should also say that my position is actually funded by NASA and uh I've been told that my position the position of other
municipal energy managers funded by this uh would be low on the list of chopping items chopping block but it's still something that has not been completely uh eliminated as possibility from what I
the cut funding for municipal energy managers. >> Okay. Thank you. That was a >> Thank you for your patience and your interest. >> That was a dark cloud, Kai. That was a dark one.
>> You you you delivered on that. Um, so the the next item on our agenda is a vote to approve a letter of support for the EA planning assistance grant application. Uh, we've discussed um our
u work to get this application in in the last few meetings. Um the the high level intention is to to uh fund consulting support for our committee uh to
engage systematically with the town staff and decision makers who we you know we we really can't move from planning to implementation without their partnership and buyin and input. Um and
uh Avante's joined us tonight because uh I'm incredibly grateful that um over the last uh several weeks he's really taken the reigns um uh taken over the sort of preparatory work I had done reaching out
to MAPC and and drafting um project scope and really refined it and gotten in touch with all the um key staff members in town whose who support we need. Uh so I'm going to hand it over to
tell us where things stand. Uh and then we can um discuss this letter of support from us which should strengthen our reputation. >> Yeah, thanks Alex. Um so yeah, hi
everyone, my name is Avante. Um, as I said at the beginning, I'm the assistant director of planning and community development at the town of Milton. I have been working together with Alex on this application. Kind of started off early last month
just on a scope which we've kind of gone back and forth helping to refine. I've have gotten feedback from the planning director, the DPW director as well to help refine this and that kind of helped with um providing the basis for filling
out this grant application which you know if if successful would be $50,000 in planning grant funds uh through the Eco1top application. And so yeah, I've been working on that.
I have it pretty much all filled out. Um I think just kind of the last piece has been getting letters of support which um I thank you Alex for reaching out to um kind of significant stakeholders for this. So we've gotten a letter of
support from the planning director I got today, but we also got one from the school superintendent as well. So um that's very exciting. Um I'm still working on getting one from uh MAPC who
has also been providing great feedback throughout the process on on this scope in this application. Um I've been in communication with them to get one of the requirements for that application which is kind of a detailed spreadsheet
of tasks um with the timeline and costs. So, I added that in today. And so, um, yeah, the application's in a good spot. Um, and so, so, yeah, I, you know, me and Liz were talking the other day and
we thought like, oh, like, you know, another, you know, layer of support, which we feel like would be really beneficial to this application, would of course be from the climate action planning committee because y'all worked so hard on this draft. uh I'm an action
plan and you know you you represent like residents of Milton um those with like great backgrounds and in climate and environmental science and so yeah I just thought that you know it'd be great to
have your voice and your support for this application and that's why I requested Alex to um draft and add this um kind kind of last minute so I apologize about that but um but yeah >> yeah the power measure didn't occur to
me earlier I just fig uh this primarily benefits us and enables us to do our work so I thought of course they'll understand that we want it but it never it never hurts to be explicit um so any any questions
um or suggestions around the there. Um, if not, I'll entertain motions to approve the letter. >> So moved. >> Okay, I saw Arthur moved. And who who was the second? I'll second H. You're
not a voting member. I have to get another second. >> Bron seconds. Okay. Uh, all in favor? >> Do you need a roll call? >> I suppose I do. I was just trying to move things along. Okay. Arthur, >> yes.
>> Stephen, >> yes. >> Kim, >> yes. >> Matt, >> yes. Kyle, >> yes. >> Maggie, >> yes. >> Ron,
>> yes. >> Alex, I vote yes. Uh, did I miss anybody? Okay, thank you. So, um, we've got a authorized letter of support that we can share with you. You want to put letter
on fine that works. >> Mr. Chairman, I would just like to recommend also that the letter indicate that the vote was uh unanimous by the attending members of the committee. >> Can we get away with
adding that objectively true statement to >> wonderful? Um, okay. the the next item on our agenda is an update from AMA on the C student
fellowship opportunity. >> Yeah, thank you. So, I'm really excited to share about this. Um I think that it could really support our climate initiatives. Um so, I shared this at the last meeting, but for those who weren't there, um we're obviously we've
obviously had several conversations about hiring a consultant to move our work forward. Um, but unfortunately, as we all know, consultants are very expensive. So, I suggested working with a graduate student and I ended up finding a really interesting program
through my alumni network at BU School of Public Health. Um, so the program is the clean energy and environment legacy transition. They call it the Kelt Municipal Fellowship. So it's a collaboration between Boston University,
UMass LOL and the Healey Driscoll administration. The fellowship is fully funded um by this group and it places a student within a municipality in Massachusetts for about 20 hours per week over 6 months. Um, I initially
thought there were only two fellows placed during the six-month cohort, but I am excited to report that after my introductory call with one of the project team members that I had at the end of February, um, the most recent cohort they had
actually placed 21 fellows across municipalities in Mass. Um, the municipalities have been really enthusiastic about the program. Um, the person I spoke with said that of everyone who applied, they were about they were able to match just about every
municipality with a fellow. Um, so you can request an undergrad or a graduate level fellow depending on your needs. Um, given the scope of the work that we have in mind, I'd probably recommend we aim for a graduate student, but we can
discuss that. um the EA planning grant would really shape the scope of work if we got that, but I do believe there would be enough work for the fellow or arguably even more work for a fellow uh without the grant. So, I think it's a
good opportunity for us. Um the next cohort begins in June and the applications are reviewed on a rolling basis. The intake form is due April 17th, so about a month from now. The main requirement on our end would be
identifying a town staff member to serve as the fellow's supervisor. Um, so Alex and I connected very briefly about this. We're thinking someone from the planning department. Um, Avante, I'm happy you're here because I'd love to uh hear your
thoughts on this. Um, and I know I sent you a note about it, but um, if anyone has specific questions, I can forward those to the project staff member that I'm connected with. Um, and I'll also put the website to the fellowship program into the chat if you want to
poke around at it. Um, open to thoughts and reflections. I would just add that um when we first started talking about this um we we thought of thought of it first as a plan B if we're not successful with the EA
planning grant funding and getting some um uh some more support in in sort of systematically engaging uh stakeholders in town um to finalize um you know ultimately move to
implementation on the plan. Um I I do think given the way these timelines line up um that we have to submit this um fellow intake request well before we'll hear back about the EA planning grant. I
think it would be most responsible if we had some sort of contingency like we we've developed a streamlined scope um that we should probably cross reference against the the final project scope that
you've worked out with MAPC um you know have that as an option but we should have another option for the fellow in the event that we do get the the planning done.
It's um it's really wonderful you found that fellowship opportunity, Anna. It's uh an an agenda item I'd forgotten to bring up today because I I'd seen it myself uh even six months ago and we considered applying for it,
but at the time we we weren't ready u we meaning u Nick Connors and Nick Milano and I. So I think now is a good time to apply for this and it's really good. I think it would be a great project to have for the fellow um to be working on
the on the on the update of the climate action plan. Um I myself had wanted to bring this up as an agenda as an agenda item to seek out project ideas and so it's all the better that we already have really good one. Two project ideas that
I would have had would be for the fellow to um help sign up or help make sure that lowincome residents for example at Milton Housing Authority are signed up for all the right uh energy
uh rebate programs or there is for example a lowinccome energy rate that uh that low-income households are eligible for. But unfortunately, low-income households are
disproportionately uh in electricity contracts from third party suppliers which are notoriously predatory. Um and so uh I wouldn't be surprised if also in Milton there are
especially elderly andor illiterate uh residents who are not getting the low rate that they are entitled to. So that's one lowhanging fruit that the fellow could help out with. um just
sitting down for sessions with uh residents at the Milton Housing Authority for um energy rate signups. Another one where the fellow could maybe help would be with the home performance
contracting project, whatever that might end up beating that like selecting a partner. >> Yeah. Yeah. And in that vein, I'm just bubbling up as we're talking. Um
um one of one of the um strategies in the recommended in the climate action plan that I'm personally most excited about because it it kind of goes directly at um the the bulk of Milton's
um greenhouse gas emissions from private properties uh is a electrification coaching program. This is a model that's been popular. It's seen some success in many other municipalities in Massachusetts where volunteer coaches provide kind of
unbiased um peer assistance to people are going through the process of installing heat pumps or solar panels and um mass energy efficiency projects because they're they are complicated and they can be intimidating and and contractor
selections are important. Um, so I think there's a lot of groundwork that needs to be laid um to potentially launch a program like that in Milton. Um, something that I'd love to be working on at Sustainable Milton. We're doing some
strategic planning. Uh, right now as well u but bandwidth is just always the issue. So I think before we could launch it, I I think there's some um research,
some well- definfined research that would need to be done about like what roles do you need, what are the steps you need to take um what needs to be in place of resources and that could be a good fellow project and not unrelated to the think selecting home performance
contractors for example would definitely be a piece of that. Um, so I think we could probably come up with something there and and even communications efforts more generally. Uh, in in my six months here
so far, I haven't had the time to try to communicate uh what what I've been doing in in social media or in in events all that much. Um I mean I've joined these this committee uh on three occasions now
I believe but there's so much more to be done on on the communication front. Absolutely. Stephen I see your hand race. >> Yeah and just on the communication unless the problem has been solved which would be great. You know, a few months ago, we were talking about the recycling
problem that we're having here in town. And I think there's a education component to that and information and, you know, and and how you can get people from using the recycling bin as a trash can. Uh but but maybe cuz we were way we
were over what the the contamination rate was. So, I don't know. Maybe that's gotten better, Alex. I don't know. But it seemed like that's an opportunity to communicate and educate as well. >> Definitely.
>> And and if we're looking at um reaching out to the residents through the Milton Housing Authority, perhaps we can also reach out through the the Milton residents for the elderly. So those at Winter Valley, Anquidy House, even
Homeank. So they're technically not under Milton Housing Authority. Um but they are um a vulnerable population of elderly people and um I have had the pleasure of working with Avante since
he's been here and I think he's very capable. However, I'm a little protective of him too, suggesting that he works um with the fellowship. He's has a lot on his plate and um and I
don't want to speak for Avante and maybe he wants to do this, but I know a lot a lot of things are happening in the planning department. So I wouldn't want to overburden him but um you know that's for him and uh the planning to director
to decide of his um bandwidth and capability. >> Yeah, I think you framed it pretty well, Maggie. Um yeah, it would definitely be a conversation I'd have with the planning director, Liz Manning. um it
has been floated just around our office casually like oh like having like a fellow or an intern that that could be useful and just like yeah I think for the multiple um reasons and ideas that
were mentioned just a moment ago like getting more capacity support could be beneficial and so um yeah that would be definitely a conversation to have with the director I'm seeing here on this web page is it
is April 17th like the sort of deadline for this fellowship to keep in mind? >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Well, we'll make note of that. And yeah, so I guess that that is and that's
a application that would have to come in from municipal staff. Anna, >> correct? But I'm happy to help support it. What's that, Alex? >> I get to ask because then it's not sort of formally an action of our committee.
>> Uh but we're free to help. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great to hear. Yeah. Yeah. I'll definitely talk to Liz. I think our job would be to come up with an idea so compelling that everyone's like, "Of course, this is a good idea. Let's do it.
Yep. All ears happy to listen and yeah help as much as I can. So um yeah all all definitely found are excruciatingly finite and understand. >> Yep. Yep. Gota got to be smart with your
time. I'm still learning that. >> Okay. Um, so that takes us to Thank you very much, Anna, for bringing that update. I think that's exciting. Um, that takes us to
item six, our kind of new and noteworthy uh cap domain updates. I think we can uh take this a bit at random. I know, Ron, that you've got um something you wanted to discuss. So, why don't you begin?
>> Yeah. So, um I passed around I think it's part of your package. Um for the past couple of meetings I had with uh several colleagues been advocating for us to sponsor what I'm
calling education and networking meetings for the four priority areas in our plan. conservation, buildings, transport, and
what's the fourth one? Um, >> waste >> waste, excuse me. And um so with some help and support from Matt um we drafted an invitation
to um stakeholders that includes um resident or non-resident experts in conservation representatives from interested did
non-governmental and private sector organizations, the Mass Department of Conservation and Recreation and Forestry, the Planning Board, and also interested community
members. And so the idea behind this meeting or these series of meetings would be to gather stakeholder and public input into the proposals that are in
uh the climate action plan plan um and to um to get additional input to refine the plan. Most importantly, I think to build out a network of support
so that people know about uh the climate action planning committee and our work and hopefully to give some more targeted focus on funding these efforts. So, this
is a draft plan for the conservation group. Uh I'd be interested in getting feedback, but more importantly, I'd be interested in hearing from uh the members of the committee connected with waste and transport in
buildings whether they would be interested and willing to do a similar meeting for their particular domain. Well, Ron, to sort of answer your question for buildings, um I've recently
um um been in touch with an organization called Greener Youth, which is a design build firm um that's done a lot of uh consulting and construction work for universities
and nonprofits and and uh I guess they spreading into municipalities now. Um they recently completed a geothermal conversion of Village Church in Welssley and I asked them if they would be interested in in
giving a presentation on geothermal technology and its benefits and you know economic uh advantages to um a group of of um citizens, town officials and and
committee members. and they they said they would. Um so that's one at least one organization that I think um we could schedule for um for build. >> Yeah. But um >> can I can I just clarify? So what you're
suggesting is is a presentation should focus on the recommendations of the climate action plan. >> That's right. in a more overview sense >> in the four areas >> with an emphasis on the the sort of priority actions that we've >> That's right.
>> So now we we uh haven't been updating the draft climate action plan with great velocity over the recent months because there's been a lot going on. um I include myself in that and it's it's sort of it's not it's still a draft so
it can still change but I definitely want to keep these anchored in the things that are in the plan I think >> yeah I mean I in this conservation in the conservation part of the plan if
this meeting takes place we would want to update that I mean there are updates in that particular section that would need to be done to present at the meeting. So, I assume that each of the four areas would need
to update, but I wouldn't want to go through a process updating the entire plan and then reviewing it >> before going ahead with meeting. >> I'll I'll just I completely agree with doing these. Um, I haven't been able to take first steps towards preparing any
materials cuz I've been busy with other stuff. Uh, I do anticipate that the EA planning grant assistance would support activities like this. >> Yeah. >> Um, maybe with more of an initial focus on
in internal town stakeholders uh and public meetings a little later in the process. Um, so that one thing I think there's kind of a difference in
overhead and uh um framing of the materials if you're going to make it a public meeting um versus uh like stakeholder meetings where we're primarily interested in getting their feedback to refine
the plan. Uh, I mean either way you want feedback to kind of plan it off. >> It might be easier to have the stakeholder meetings in public so that you can kind of build two. >> Um,
so >> yeah, >> I mean I'm supportive of this for sure. >> Like to hear maybe from Arthur and Stephen. >> Yeah, I can go. I think I think it's a good idea. I would be interested in
having sort of the stakeholder to get the feedback and I'm looking at the calendar, you know, maybe it's too early, but you know, Arbor Day is coming up the end of next month, you know, as a way of of of kicking that off. Um, but I
I I would welcome having a forum where I we could talk about transportation, electrification, you know, the other issues that we we've been talking about in transportation, access uh to transit. I think it, you know, without going down the the tea
route, but um I think it would be a um it would be valuable from my perspective. Thank you. Stephen, any comments from you? Are you there?
>> Do you mean Steve just spoke? So >> Oh, I said that was ours. >> No, that was Leaf. >> Oh, sorry. >> I bet you're muted. >> My wife loves it when I'm muted. Um we'd be happy to join that. We had a
discussion Kim u at the March 9th meeting of the waste management uh committee working group rather on this and uh recognize the value of community engagement.
Kim, do you want to add some comments from that? There's uh certainly much to uh talk about. Um going with I wanted two things if I may just going back to a point that Stephen made earlier about
the uh contamination rates. We uh do not know if there's been any change in that in that the most recently planned audit was put to the wayside because of the snowstorms that we had.
We all know how delayed um collections were during that period. So after the company settles down, they will do an audit. We'll have the most recent information from that. But there were some findings from a pilot that uh was
introduced uh through our environmental coordinator. And um this is a pilot of going out and taking a look into some of the recycling bins throughout the town on a random
sampling basis. And it was found uh that there are numbers considerable numbers of instances where residents are unfortunately bagging their recyclables and putting them in their blue bins. And
of course that has to be separated out by waste management or contractor. And the costs of doing that management of course get assign first of all affect the contamination rate and then of course will ultimately affect the uh
cost rates assigned to the town of Milton. But um going back to this point about community engagement, I'll just add that we I think mentioned a couple of meetings ago that a corporation called Ridwell came to Milton
voluntarily held a meeting at the public library about additional ways in which a contain uh uh recyclables materials can be processed, collected and processed by homeowners. voluntarily wishing to do
so. About 22 citizens in the town just showed up at that which suggests that there's an appetite for holding such a meeting. Kim, sorry to catch you with a glass. >> That's okay. I know.
Uh yeah, just uh um I think we talked about a lot of different ways that we could reach out to the town town's people to like update them for in case they're like new to town or maybe just don't understand how the recycling works
just to educate more people like maybe having like some of us go to the farmers market sometimes or have a table there or some of the town concerts. So, just looking at ways to like reach out to the people in town to explain how the
recycling system works. Um, but uh I think it'd be great to have a um some sort of educational, you know, sort of seminar like this and uh re reach out to more people that way. And related to this is the fact that we
have many more new people coming to the town and um we've also uh found out from our work that um some people have asked whether or not there can be larger
black trash bins. Uh and this is probably um most likely due to the fact that they don't know where to get stickers. So, one of the things that we want to do is be sure on the site to indicate all of the vendors and there are at least six of them in the town
where people can uh get trash stickers to put on their plastic bags. So, that's just one element of what would be in the communication process and it would have to be sustained on an ongoing basis uh well beyond hosting a one-time or an
annual workshop. But I wanted to uh before leaving the microphone so to speak go back to uh the conservation commission or committee uh topic working group topic because there's um much
going on in that arena pertaining to the marshlands in Milton. Uh there's a a land initiative by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for the restoration of the salt marshes. This may have been referenced at an earlier meeting and
Milton is submitting as of tomorrow I believe um an application with the department of river wershed association for a grant to be working on the 30 plus acres of Milton Marsh land in very
vulnerable area down toward Portland Circle and Riverside Avenue in conjunction also with the city of Quinsey which owns um marsh land going out to Harriet Avenue which approaches Sagmore Creek for those of you who may
be familiar with that area. And um I spent Monday at the University of Massachusetts Boston which has a significant environmental program um and uh which hosted uh a Massachusetts
coastal relocation workshop agenda which was uh quite startling and profound. uh not only talking about the uh rising sea level that's coming in and the measures that are going to affect u communities like Milton, but also the fact that the
town's going to have to be looking at what other communities are exploring and that is uh bylaws that relate to resiliency and bylaws that relate to property relocation due to uh sea level
rise and other types of flooding. It won't be just in the marsh lands. It's going to be along waterways and communities um that u outside of the saltwater marshland areas. Just to add those, Ron uh or your thinking as you're
looking at what agenda items you might have for communication in your conservation working groups efforts. >> Matt, do you have anything to add? Uh all good feedback. Um yeah, I think the format and the objectives of the
meeting will be important to discuss before we we reach out. Um again, everything from a pre-eread, uh bring your comments, let's talk about them to, you know, we're we're presenting to them and then getting
feedback after. um you know these things are all really important that I think we just need to work through uh visa v the objectives of of the meeting what what needs to happen between now and then and what are the expected outcomes after the meeting but all all good otherwise
>> yeah I'd like to see I think as a first step drafts of content what what do we want to present um >> in these meetings make sure they're um sort of aligned with the existing plan
appropriately and the record agenda for the meeting was >> so >> fig out. >> So that's good. But can any everybody agree to like by the time of the next meeting bring their revised content?
>> I can't commit to that but I do intend to. I said at the last meeting that I would produce a draft and I intend to do that. Okay, great. Arthur and Stephen, can you look at what you've already drafted
that's in the plan and make any revisions that you think need to be made and share them with us by the time of the next meeting? >> Revisions to the plan or talking points or slides
>> their component of the plan. So for Arthur, it would be the waste management component of the plan. For Stephen, it would be the transportation. >> Maybe I'm confused, Ron. Sorry. Sorry to jump in here. I thought we were just
focusing on the conservation point of the plan for for the meeting, the outreach. contribution is a is a an example of what I'm hoping all four committees can do over the course
of say 6 to 8 month period the conservation one >> is the pilot >> what >> you know which would which would serve as kind of a pilot perhaps for some of the other >> each needs to drive this forward
independently. Yeah, >> I'll say that. Uh, and if conservation has more momentum, you shouldn't feel like you have to wait for everybody else to catch up. Uh,
>> yeah. I mean, I just uh Okay. I just don't want to go ahead with conservation thing. I think there's some value in promoting these as a series.
of meetings that would happen not back to back but over say a six to eight month period. >> It may be difficult to be that coordinated about it just >> really. >> Yeah. I mean we can try but
>> I mean like if we did one in April, someone else couldn't do one in June and someone else can do one in August. I I will say um real deadlines do help things move along, but fake deadlines not so much. Right. So
>> Oh, yes. >> I I haven't been able to get to this and and uh >> but I've been doing a lot. >> Yeah. Um, so I'll do >> just a follow up if I may on the calendar mentioned at our meeting where we discussed this run, we suggested
avoiding the summer months and u the the mid- winter month of December as time to just pass that along. >> But if I may, Mr. Sham Kim, uh,
>> we could put this on our agenda for our April 13th meeting and see what we come out with as an outline or product and then bring that back to the uh, later meeting that month, the climate action planning committee.
>> Yeah. So >> I do think if if there if part of the preparation for these meetings is making significant changes to the climate action plan, then we should bring those back through the committee to give feedback on.
>> Yeah. But what I'm suggesting is we do that by component. So Arthur says that he can review the waste management component at his April meeting and for the
conservation group. we can do something also to revise our component of the plan by the April meeting of this group and we'd have at least two of the four
committees with a revised component that could be presented in the review. >> Yeah. And just candidly it's the two most active committees, right? you guys actually meet. >> There have been no >> no no buildings, working group meetings
because >> it's just me and I guess we're not organized yet. So I think >> um >> I highly encourage you to do this and when I solicit agenda topics next month, >> I really hope to
>> to see you put that on there. But I I can't commit to >> that's okay. buildings to be around >> next winter. Okay. But if we can do conservation, waste, and transport, >> right, >> by the fall, >> I agree. Would be ideal to do it
>> Yeah. >> sooner to do them close together and repeatedly, >> but let's not let the perfect get the other way. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Arthur, >> Mr. Chairman, it seems that there are two topics on the table with respect to
this. one is having the information sessions which I'm assuming going to be based upon our current subsections of the plan like waste the waste management section and second is revising or
updating the plans uh from the public information section we would have input from the public that would help to do the latter and at the same time um we agreed at our meeting this month that we
would pass out a review of the uh waste management plans at a number of communities um like Milton or in the Milton area to get updated information that would ultimately go into any subsequent
revision of the waste management working group section of the climate action plan. That was what we were thinking as a logical sequence if that meets your approval. >> I Yeah, I think what I was saying is
that I think it's important that when we do a meeting saying here's here's the waste component of Milton's climate action plan that the summary we provide align with the currently approved draft that we've got. Right. um
if we want to make a major revisions to it before doing that and that that's a totally reasonable thing to do. We've had um nearly a year to learn and think about it since we've actually voted on a on a revision to the draft. Um I would
just we we'd want to coordinate to make those revisions and review them here and approve them before we go. What I don't want to do is is uh have uh public meetings where we say here's the waste plan and it doesn't look
anything like the plan on our website. >> Well, right. >> Well, yeah, I agree. But I'm assuming, at least speaking for the conservation plan, that whatever modifications we would make build on
what's already in the plan. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, yeah, I think the first step is to draft content. >> Yeah, >> this is roughly what we want to say. Uh, and I think we can >> Yeah, >> we we don't have to have a big formal uh
vote if if it is aligned just with more detail. >> Yeah. >> More examples um then just move forward. Yeah. And and then I kind of like Arthur's idea that if we can present that kind of update of
the original draft to these stakeholders and other people interested in the topic at a meeting and then that feedback gets built into a totally revised plan.
>> Yeah. And I just want to invite you guys again because we haven't talked about this in a while. Like I have uh the the last time we approved a draft I think was in June and it's on the website, right? I have a living document
version of the plan in a SharePoint. Um, and if you want to make edits or propose edits, just reach out to me and we can figure out what's what's the right um, workflow given your,
you know, software and computer setup. Um, and I'm willing to do it differently depending on what you're comfortable with. uh if you want to get me edits, I can I can work them into kind of a master. Uh
but my document that that we'll ultimately review at some point. My suggestion is not to go back right now to tinker with the total plan, but just focus on these individual components.
make some revisions based on the original plan, present them at these meetings, get feedback from the stakeholders, and then do a final revision that goes into your SharePoint.
>> Sure. >> So, Alex, it would be helpful if you put that um updated on the website. So, I printed off the um the draft just today and that was going to be one of my questions was has it been updated? So,
>> not officiated. >> Yeah. So, I think it might be helpful um you know for us committee members but also the public if you put that made it accessible to everybody. to Ron's point,
um we know it's not final, but um people should sort of be able to see where we stand on it. Um you know, if >> Well, I don't think that the public needs access to everybody's
draft. like if if you're just tinkering with it, I don't I don't know that we want to make it make it public at that level of because at that at that point it's just an individual committee member doing some thinking, right? It hasn't it
hasn't been reviewed in a public meeting. Um >> I agree. >> So, >> okay. Okay. So, >> I should just focus then on what's on the um website. >> And there haven't been any material
changes just candidly since since the last time we updated it and put it on the website. >> Okay. >> Um and and also right if we do any collaborative editing of that document um over the coming months, you have to be careful about
not what's the word? deliberating in that document. Right? So that's why I just say so far I haven't had a lot of folks reaching out to me saying like I want to edit that document. >> Uh I'm I invite you to consider yourself
co-authors of it. Uh but I'm managing the integration. So if you have a segment you want to add or a segment you want to edit, just reach out to me and we can figure out a workflow for that. Uh but no, right now like the thing
that's on the website is um pretty pretty close to the latest that we've got. >> Okay, got it. >> Okay, we're um we're 12 minutes past our our uh our scheduled ending time. Uh so
the uh the final agenda topic is just to uh quickly discuss our next meeting date um which following our normal um cadence would be April 16th at 6 PM. Are there
any major concerns with that meeting date at this moment? Okay. So, for now, we'll assume that that's when we'll meet. Um any any final comments before uh
entertain a motion to adjourn. All right. I want to I want to thank you all for a really substantive meeting. That was uh exciting. Um >> Kai was great. >> Yeah, he's been working hard and there's
a lot to it. >> Great. Anybody want a motion to adjurnn? >> Ron moves to adjurnn. Do I have a second? Oh, come on now. Let's get a second. >> I'll second. >> Okay, Kim second. Um, I'm not going to
do a roll call at this time. All in favor? Let the record show it all. We're in favor of ajournment and good night. Thank you very much for being here. >> Good night, everyone. >> Good night. Good night. >> Bye. Bye.