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sorry I I just I did talk to Peter and he understands uh and for anybody that wasn't part of that we had no host uh there was nobody to let us in I don't know if it get stuck at the the uh Town Hall we were they were
very helpful in giving us a second link but didn't make anybody a host so there was nobody to let us in so we will adjourn the executive session until uh until next time there was nothing crucial um I can give you sort of
General update under additional business but there was actually nothing that needed a vote today um so we're back in public session so we will go immediately with apologies for the delay two uh number two on the agenda and that is notice of attend
10:34 Blue Hill Avenue and I think that's and correct yes perfect uh and may be waiting for us to come back into public session because this is our mess up so
we'll give her some time and if if she's still trying to catch up um I see her there you are good there we go perfect thank you welcome sorry for the delay that's okay so uh please tell us what you'd
like to do and so um my name's an I live at 1034 Blue Hill a I've lived here for about 25 30 years and I basically just want to do a small addition my parents are getting older they spend a lot of time here and it's just too small and I
keep them hand mostly for like safety reasons bad weather things like that and it's just really too tight I also work at home like three or four days a week uh oh okay um what what we're you we've got the the notice of intent uh we
and I talked with Steve about this we've got um some uh concerns with what we've received by way of the uh the map we don't we don't have a a stamp plan from
you um from a an engineer so there we really don't have anything to approve um okay I'm pretty sure I have that because we we've got a draft without a a Professional Engineers stamp on it um
and we won't we won't do anything to delay you necessarily but we don't have anything to approve or disapprove until we have the the uh okay the plan from the engineer uh and one of the things that we do anyway maybe we can kind of
work in parallel here we do a a site inspection to uh just approve the lines okay and the lines would be the the Wetland delineation uh and so I'm trying to go
back through your plan I did it before and talk to Steve about this who who was the person that flagged the wetlands of the top of Bank I I may have asked asked a technical question I have no idea what you're talking about yet all right so there are
there are wetlands so we need to know the the distance from the wetlands okay so I'll get in touch with him and have that dropped off I don't know why I don't have one um okay well we we've
got we've got the draft plan yeah trying to figure out is um where are the wetlands and the distance from that you know that gives us okay jur so uh if you get a professional engineer to stamp the plan and say this
is what we propose okay and then we've got to go out and look at the the uh Wetland lines there yeah John you don't have the plot plan for building permit that was in my packet it should have been in your packet
G it I I'm sorry which one are you got one here hang on a second yeah it's very big John this one here Anderson Anderson surveyors yeah
yeah Steve Tom P needs to be readmitted thank you oh so this this is stamped by that okay yeah Steve and I were both looking at the wrong plan and and both of us had
this but we were looking at the the draft um so this is stamped it is beyond that so all we need to do then is to approve the lines that have been uh signified here and these were done
by uh flags were done by home I'm looking at the the plan notes um and I I've got I guess it's top of bank I'm not it's it's balster Brook um and I that that
is I know we've had some controversy over that but it is a you know on the gis so it's presumptively a a a perennial stream but I'm I see the the markings here 25 foot non-disturbance Zone there's a garage there that's already
but I'm sure it was there before our oh it was there yeah yeah um I got that but you know somebody's taking measurements from the Wetland Flags or top of Banks and that's that's really what we have to uh confirm because if this if you're
asking for approval of the plan okay we should go out take a look at it which won't delay you much um but let's get all the questions out of the way first and then we can set up a date to come out and visit visit your
home uh questions from Commissioners I have a qu I have a question John regarding that um and you say that there you're you're putting an addition on are you putting it on are you going vertical or are you going are you going on the uh outside of the
existing dwelling outside of the existing dwelling on on the driveway kind of but it is attached correct say that again it is attached oh yeah
yeah is it on the same one story or are you going up over the it's on the same one story okay I don't get where the driveway will go when the addition goes over it well there's already a driveway there
and it was just I guess if you can tell it's kind of wide it would just go a little further so that cars can fit I I probably can't access the garage I'm looking at the plan that
shows existing and proposed conditions and uh it looks like the proposed add covers up all but a little slice of the driveway on the plan I would have to
talk talk to the architect that did that but I have a feeling it's not going to go behind I won't be able to access my garage with a car so it's GNA be like more of a shed or something I see well there's a paved
area between the house and the garage um there will no longer be Vehicles going there is that correct well there's still driveway probably not um Mr chairman might we not be able
to be helpful to Ian if we have a site visit yeah that's what I suggested Arthur yeah I heard you just asking for you know questions before we set up a date for it yeah I'm just wondering if we won't be better position to ask the
questions and have responses from her and from whatever she needs to have with her on site we need Flags I'm sorry we need Flags um
yeah probably but I I can't figure out where a you know who set the line is probably just top a bank um I don't know if there are any uh Wetlands there I see the measurements the 25 foot non- disturbance zone right yeah that's
that's on the plan but the Wetland line is not correct so I I'm just it looks like and that's what we don't know we don't know if that was just a top of bank issue correct what do you mean you need
Flats well there two different resource areas that we're talking about you know uh uh bordering vegetated Wetlands is really a uh an analysis done on both soils and and foliage yeah and then we
also have a stream here and sometimes that resource area is defined by top of bank it's just okay where the channel ends uh and sometimes it's a combination but we can't tell here I know that somebody took a measurement because the plan says there's a 25 foot non
disturbance Zone then there's a 50 foot offset line and there's a 100 foot offset line which is jurisdictional but we can't we don't exactly where it's coming from that's what's the starting point top of Bank means it's probably top of bank but we don't so we don't
know if there are any Wetlands adjoining uh baller Brook that would extend it out a little bit further okay uh it looks like you know you're you'll be out of the 25 foot which is we you know we're pretty strict in adherance to that and your garage appears to be
there yeah I got it um so um we just need to figure out where you're measuring from U somebody's measuring it so I I didn't know if you had a wetland scientist come up with the location of the brook
Andor uh bordering vegetated Wetlands um or I I don't know where your your engineer um Anderson surveys I don't know what they used as a starting point I can guess but I I don't know okay so I can get in touch with him and find out
out yeah correct um but I think you know when you're talking to them um it it is odd to look at the plan because if your garage is in the back and you're you're basically blocking off a 95% of the
driveway uh you've got about 10% or less to the left of the proposed addition um and I don't know if in reality you're planning to just kind of move the driveway around the side of the addition to get back to your
garage and that that's a it's a fair question I think Tom poses because if if the back area is all paved anyway it is I I don't know what your plan is but I if I were doing it I I'd probably try to move the driveway to the left of the
proposed Edition right but but but the plans got to accurately okay all right yeah no problem so if you could just have your the uh either the architect or the Anderson surveyors
addressed that issue and if your plan is to have the driveway go around the house yeah it needs to be reflected here and then we need to where the Wetland is um measured from the resource area is measured from if it's baller Brook fine
but it we need to know where the measurement has been taken from okay okay yeah no problem all right any other thoughts or questions uh before we visit
um no so do you want this information when you come for a visit or do you want me to drop this information off before well it would be helpful to us if we had it okay when we were there so maybe the question is um you know how
fast do you think you can get that and you you may not know that you may say I have to call the guy and ask him yeah I would do at least two weeks I don't know could be tomorrow I don't know all right so we or I can send
an email if it's sooner and set up from there yeah sure that's that's that's fine but why don't we just just you know make a practical solution here um kick it out at least two weeks before we visit your site we usually go on a
Saturday morning okay so if we if we go we could go three Saturdays I don't know if you had any kind of a contractor lined up who wants to you know St no no no no no no no still in the planning stage yeah yeah
it's still in the planning stage so yeah no so three weeks is fine and I'll make sure you have everything before then oh that would be perfect is that okay yep that's okay with us so but I I said that without asking if people can make it I
don't have a in front of me would be April April three weeks yes three weeks wait yeah one two
three okay all right so let me just go through Steve can you make April 5 as far as I know yes okay Phillip you around yes Wendy um I'm not 100% sure but I believe so
okay Hans I think so yeah all right Arthur yes Charlie should be able to ingr yes I can make it all right Tom what is the date again April 5's the date April 5 yeah I think I think that's
good okay that's good but before we actually U put a stamp of approval on it Bob I saw your hand raised yeah I'm not familiar with the project but I I think you're probably very familiar with the area I believe
that's the other side of the brook from that large home that was vacant for quite some time and yeah and yeah and and then there was also a that that was wasn't that um Mr V sa sabur um no no that's the one on the
kav side right kav side and then and then to the north of the site there was another one that you had done right that was that was Mr V with the sports court next yeah so you're should be familiar with the area yeah yeah yeah okay that's
good good good man and actually I think Mr V had some Wetlands ad joining the it wasn't much but it was outside the top of Bank well it wasn't an issue but he had to move his Sports Court so they so they must have shown that it was um an
intimate stream versus a perennial stream no they didn't and the reason they didn't Bob is because it really doesn't matter a whole lot whether it's 100 feet or 200 feet because it's it's within our jurisdiction anyway gotcha all right we're hung up on the 25
foot not the 100 versus 200 all right and that's why we know we we try to resolve these and work cooperatively with the the homeowners so that the 100 feet 200 feet usually doesn't trigger a unless
it's a unless it's a 1996 uh you know a lot that was approved or not approved before that period of time January it really doesn't matter to us all right so April 5 an that's good with you no problem yeah what time we'll be at your
house at um 8:30 okay Wendy all right what is it oh 10:34 10:34 yeah all right we'll see you on April 5 Saturday morning 8:30 and am okay no problem thank you perfect oh thank you
very muchai for us tonight yeah bye bye all right thanks okay next on the agenda is uh certificate of compliance at 1250 Randol Avenue um and and Bob
um you can start but one of the things that we don't have it's probably in our file but we the the commission members don't have it we've got the original order of conditions from that's what that should be in your packet yeah that's what I said Philip we
have the original order of conditions we do not have the reference in the special conditions to the mitigate the revised mitigation plan and the problem is we don't have an as built we've got the
2009 plan uh but and Bob you know you've indicated that there are what at least three variances and we just we don't we don't know whether or not it impacts um the amount of non-disturbance
Zone I I think the plan shows the proposed plan not the asille but the proposed plan show shows uh 40 square ft which is not much of non-disturbance Zone and a mitigation of uh I think 175 square feet but we don't have the
mitigation plan and we don't have an as built to show it and we we know there's a fire pit that wasn't approved or some portion of the patio whatever is in your letter um but we don't know and I can't read from the the proposed plan of
2009 um whether or not the fire pit and the The increased patio went into the non-disturbance Zone I don't know where it is um so two things can we get an as build from you and then can we set it up for April 5 to to take a look at
it well I'm sure we can set it up for aable five the um major um differences between the proposed and and the existing is uh was essentially on the the uh uh patio area that was approved so as I
mentioned in the letter um I will um I'll attempt to to get that before the uh April 5th meeting but U I think the the one of the major things might have been the uh assessment
of the of the plantings were there I wasn't able to get a uh a plant person out there to verify that so I'll attempt to do that for the April 5th meeting okay that that would be great
and philli if you can find in the file uh the revised uh mitigation plan that that was not attached I don't think to the original order of conditions it's it's referenced there but it's not it's not included yeah I I don't believe I saw
that I wasn't given that but we'll we'll take care of it okay all right um so and y'all get us an as buil said that'll show us where the the fire pit masonry sitting area that were added we
just don't know where they were added it was just it was all in the the um area with the uh pavement so I mean I I didn't believe it was any kind of a impact on on it was just shuffling the the shed to a
different location and the uh Five pit instead of a anyway I'll get you an asille Perfect all right that's comment yeah of course I'm looking at this plan we got in the
package United Consultants from March 2009 yes and if you and if you look at the first drawing up at the top of the page it shows something on the upper right going around the corner of the lot called the squale and that's
not um flag and I just point out that um on the town's own GIS that Swale is shown as a stream I don't know who drew it in there uh haven't been there myself but
that is right at the edge of it looks like the pool deck so I think uh that's a question in my mind is how's the water now getting through that corner
uh something I wouldn't be able to you know comment further on unless I actually saw it yeah no that's a that's a good point but um although as bizarre as it may sound I I do remember being there and 2009 so um
so I'm sure that would have been evident but that that's one of the reasons for my concern with the changes I I we had to have been aware of it in 2009 I don't know if Don Neil was there or not because he left I think at the end of
2008 early 2009 um but you know how sensitive and appropriate he was at paying attention to stuff like that so that would be that's you know one of the reasons why I'm looking to see see what the changes are see you know we see whether or not the variances from the
approved plan have any impact um on the resources that we protect as you just pointed out so I think that's a good reason for a plan I mean for an inspection any other thoughts questions concerns all right seeing none um and I
I don't know I should always ask this are there any members of the public or Butters or not that have a question or comments see none um so we'll continue this until uh April 5 and 9:30
9:15 maybe 9:15 Bob how's that I'm okay okay good all right good thank you very much we'll see you on April 5 good thanks a lot thank uh next on the agenda is uh request for determination of
applicability 94 parkw Drive and uh I think Mr Macky um you're on sir yes I'm here um and nice to be with you commission thank you um so essentially there's a existing inground pool um at the property it was built in I think the
the early 80s um and it's no longer working so we're we've just got plans here to renovate the pool deck area um and fix the pool so the there was a wetland delineation done uh recently by Pinebrook Consulting just uh outlining
um what I've had my Hardscape designer do is take the pool project and overlay it onto an existing site plan that was done by George Collins engineering when we first bought the house and the septic system was was uh
installed so um yeah essentially just trying to replace the the pool deck area fix the pool um no changes to the footprint appears to be you know the pool is is actually raised up uh quite a bit over the existing
grade um and doesn't seem to impact the the 25 foot um area if I if I understand correctly all right um quick reaction to this is that I'm I'm looking at the uh plan with the wetlands
delineation um and that I I understand that that was 2018 that's correct all right so we do have a three-year uh lifespan for uh Wetland delineations and I see that the resource
area was I I don't know was they looked at um uh more recently in 12624 but I don't see those on a plan I'm looking at a
sketch um and I'm wondering can you tell me who inspected who did the wetlands view uh in no uh December of 24 and can they put these flags in and put a you know put a plan
together for us so um yes I suppose this is a bit confusing so the existing site plan um the Wetland line is essentially unchanged from when that that site plan was done back in 2018 and so I hired um
Pinebrook Consulting uh Brook Monroe to flag the area and essentially confirm that the the flag the the locations of the flags in the Wetland boundary are the same as they were um back at that time so I can share I I know I provided
a site plan with the Wetland flagging and the Wetland and Upland boundaries um it's probably very very small for you all to see on the piece of paper I did submit I'm happy to share it so you can take a closer look at it um on the on the meeting here uh but essentially
confirming the same Wetland line that was done back in 2018 is that I don't know if you can see that is that this one that say exactly yes John but but that is the Collins engineering 2018 plan
that was done VI a septic system that's right and and so again with the pool was there at that time and so the my thought being um you know if if I need to get another certified plan for the the plot I can um but I I did didn't think that was necessary just based on the fact we
weren't changing anything um in the existing footprint the pool was there at that time the Wetland line is essentially the same so trying to save myself the the cost and time all right I I understand that but um I think we've got we and I don't mean to sound like
we're form over substance here but as I understand it Steve ivis was out there looking at the site in October of 24 and he suggested that you file a notice of intent and as that time what I guess your next door neighbor was talking
about doing the same thing so 're we're expecting to get a notice of intent from them um so we want to make sure that we dot eyes and cross tees and and treat you the same way that we treat them um sure so I think you do need to come in with a a certified plan as to where the
line is and if Brooks Monroe is already been there I it shouldn't be costly she's already flagged it you just have to you know put those on onto the plan so it would be it's probably going to look very similar to The George Collins
from what seven years ago but that that is a requirement that after three years we need a new new plan the other question I've got is that on the sketch that we've got um I see the The Patio Pool area but I don't see a
structure uh in back of of that and I I I'm looking at the George Collins plan and it's got like a square um above as I'm looking at the piece of paper it's it's above the pool patio area is that is that just missing
from the sketch or is that is that gone now or I yeah I had only again not not really knowing what I needed here um when I spoke to Steve at the site um we we sort of exchanged that this may only need a determination of applicability
and not a full notice of intent um so I I didn't pursue uh you know an engineering plan uh for the same right just intended to use the existing AutoCAD uh drawing that that um my Hardscape designer was able to use and
update it with essentially the pool project right so um didn't think I was in in need of a notice of intent based on the scope of the work and the you know the the um the fact that we're not changing the existing conditions the footprint
the the pool the pool shed um all of that is is existing structure um why it's not in Brooks drawing I I'm not sure I think she was just doing the delineation of the line right of the Upland and and Wetland area so she's done the flagging but I she doesn't have
the ability to do a a site plan all right I it shouldn't be a great expense because we're pretty sensitive to not putting homeowners through unnecessary expense but we do need an updated um wetlands delineation and 2018 doesn't
work sounds like the bulk of your expense has already been incurred by having Brooks go out there and do it so now it's just the question of getting it put onto some CAD drawing um and because of the fact that we do anticipate a notice of intent coming in from your neighbor who will be changing a foot I I
guess is going to ask to put in a pool there which would would certainly require a notice of intent I appreciate what you just said about you're staying within the same foot footprint and and uh basically doing repairs um but it would help us be consistent
and uniform in our application of the rules and rigs if you could get us that plan we can take a look at it to and when we are asked to approve delineations we we try to get out there and see it eyeball it and say yep you're
right so I don't expect any difficulty any problems but what I suggest if you can get us that CAD drawer plan um by April 5th we can we can stop by and see it and it's not going to take long and I I don't know I don't anticipate any problems that maybe some of the other
Commissioners do or they have another comment or question but that would uh that would help us in our our quest to be uniform and um you know treat all applications equally yeah I I I'll mention I don't know what their plans
are and and their timeline for the plans um where we're on separate properties and separate schedules I have been working on on this design plan and conceptual um renovation for quite some time and I guess it's it's difficult for me to know what what the exact
requirements are so I don't know what the cost of a a new engineering plan would be to confirm the same um again I I think the the intent was hire the Wetland delineator to flag the exact same locations that have been unchanged
since 2018 so not trying to skip any steps but certainly there is additional time and additional money in um involved in hiring another engineer to take those flag locations and plot them out and and stamp it I would assume again I'm not
sure yeah I I don't know what the cost and I'm not pushing George Collins at all but he's already got the plan um so and the GPS stuff can be I just transferred I think from Brooks Monroe to
um if if somebody had to come out and start all over again um it would it would be an increased cost and again I'm not I like George Collins but I'm not but he's already got it um right which is what which is what he provided to me John so he gave me the AutoCAD drawing
my Hardscape designer took that and and put the the flag locations uh on that uh along with the the the pool project so that was the intent it was just leveraging existing work that really you know hasn't changed um but I understand if if that's not acceptable certainly
can go back to uh I don't think George has the capacity to take on this work at least from my interaction with him anytime soon um I do have the AutoCAD drawing so again I was hoping that I could use the existing drawing the new Wetland the the confirmation of that
line um to avoid uh additional work or or additional hires but understand if that's if that's not possible here is just real quick question there you landscape or your heartscape designer are they a landscape architect uh so the the landscape
architect is actually a family member of mine king uh King landscape design um and he has a hardscaper that he works with um so they're they're not the same the designers is not the same as the uh the hardscaper if that helps we would accept a stamp from a
landscape architect so a landscape architect is willing to St the plan easier stuff okay um yeah I'm not sure if that's within his his capability um are there requirements for him to do that the so
the the the design came from my Hardscape designer which is King uh King Landscaping and design I don't have the ability to do AutoCAD so this is not my handiwork if that is one of the concerns yeah no I was just offering a different
alternative to okay yeah h on that note all the all the AutoCAD work is already done here and it's just someone putting a border on it somebody putting a stamp on it yeah uh as long as they can verify the Wetland flags that are out there
it's really just getting this drawing stamped yeah so okay so that's all that's needed is that's how I see it John based on AutoCAD work that I see done on this drawing everything is here we would it would make sense great so
that Foster doesn't have to incur much additional cost is to who whoever whoever he can get to stamp this drawing they just have to verify the wet and land flags are where they are and they could probably stamp this drawing because all of the cad work is already
done yeah the other piece I would just suggest is maybe get a note from the the person that did the delineation to either have the modifi that letter to say that the flags are consistent previous delineation so the
the delineation was recently done so I I understand those expire um and so had Brooke come back out recently essentially to reconfirm this plan that I I had from uh 2018 so it should be consistent I think that's certainly possible um my only
concern was finding someone who could do that work rather quickly it's less about the cost and more about the the timing um I'm of having someone come out um sorry I'm looking at the plan over here on my other screen so and just uh ensure that where those flags are line up with
the um you know on a on a plot a certified plot so I I don't know how long that's going to take George didn't seem like it was something he could do uh anytime soon can I ask a we're looking at a septic system on
this plant and that's already installed correct that's correct thas this is the plan from 2018 the septic was replaced just before that was confusing to me because the plan is dated 24 and uh I thought it was a plan to
install a septic system yes sorry if that's confusing yeah again was trying to show the existing conditions um and and not do a a a brand new site plan for essentially the same AutoCAD drawing uh with the same Wetland
line okay um and uh I agree with somebody I may was you who said it's sort of hard to tell what the project is by looking at the plan and uh hence a verbal description would be
useful uh I wonder um given that this was permitted some years ago did you ever have the need to get a certificate of compliance for the work for the septic work we did the I I
I've only owned this house for about eight years so I don't know anything um prior to that like in terms of when the pool was installed I wasn't involved that was the previous homeowner so I'm not sure what they had to do um as I
mentioned it is it's built up quite a bit from the natural grade so it's it's almost like an above ground pool that's uh it's in ground but it's been you know the the the surrounding area has been built up to support the pool at a higher
elevation okay uh thank you well do you think you can get this you know put onto uh hopefully the existing CAD drawing from Colin uh and just getting those two to talk
George Collins and and Brooks Monroe it doesn't sound like it's a timec consuming I can I can certainly yeah I can certainly ask John again when I reached out to um to to George Collins
to to get the existing AutoCAD drawing he was asking a bunch of questions about who's going to attend the meetings who's going to present to the commission and uh he didn't seem like he had the capacity to take that on in the timeline that I was trying to work within but again understand if there's if that's
what's required I can certainly try to I'll have to find a new engineer I think to to do the um to to provide the stamp I think if if I'm understanding the requirement here um we do need the stamp and we do
need an update on the wetlands delineation but we don't need the engineer to come and talk to us and we can figure it out if we go out there we've got them the the stamp plan and we can eyeball you know whether or not I think you just heard us talking about the difference between you know the top
of bank and sometimes the surrounding Wetland areas that'll you know vary the the starting point so to speak um that's why we need to get out there and just look at where the flags are but we don't need George Collins there or
any other engineer I mean we can see it I think that the sticking point is the stamp right um I don't know if if my hardscaper can provide a stamped plan um so the the thought here was to try to give the commission the um you know the
existing conditions without it without a stamp but if that's required then I I understand the that's what I'll need to get it's probably going to take me longer than I wanted um but understand that if that's the that's what I've got to do that's what I've got to do
um was not planning again just based on the on the meeting with Steve at the property that um you know a notice of intent would likely not be required um if it is I guess I'd like to know that that too just so that I can um understand my next steps that's that's
been one of the things that I I'd like to get out of this meeting is what what do I need if it's a certified stamped plan understand uh from there I'd like to know if I do need notice of intent or or other prepare for other events like that well if you're staying within the
footprint my gut reaction is that um an RDA is it may be sufficient I if I had been at the meeting in October I probably would said um you know if you're operating you know within the jurisdiction a notice of intent is it's a little bit more formal it probably
cost $100 more uh it doesn't change the notification you still have to the RDA still have to give notification to the abuts um there's not a whole lot of difference the RDA is generally faster um but I mean I'm I'm comfortable
leaving it as an RDA as long as we have a St plan and and verify the lines um yeah yeah as I mentioned the lines were just just done so the flags are still there um there's no change there and the the existing plan that George
had done lines up with those flags so if we just if I just need to show that in a stamped plan yes um that okay then then I understand and and from the time perspective you know you've heard I think so far tonight we've got two uh site visits on April 5 we can do it
April 5 that is a public meeting and we can vote there because it is a public meeting sure okay so we're try not to slow you down no I I appreciate that and again this is I don't this is not something I typically uh typically do so just trying to understand my steps and
what I need to provide to uh to ensure I'm I'm in compliance and good standing here with the commission so all right and again I I spoke uh from my personal perspective I'm not you know speaking on behalf of the paration commission necessarily does anybody believe it
should be or needs to be uh notice of intent as opposed to an RDA my my view was based upon the fact that he's not going outside the existing footprint but if anybody feels differently then please speak up Charlie your hand is raised yet I
don't know if you know that mine yeah oh strangely enough NOP oh you know what it is it's my cursor it changes to a hand I put it over I'm sorry well though my hand wasn't up what I would say is that I would think RDA
would be sufficient he's staying within the footprint of what's already there he's just replacing the hardscaping in Ed I I I don't think a notice of intent is necessary in this situation and Mr chairman this is Steve
IIs um I would agree with Charlie and I like to note that Mr Mr Collins and brookly Monroe work together very well so you know they talk a lot so you know you may have a chance to have that
moved very much sooner than you would expect I I will certainly ask and appreciate that that uh tip Steve thank you all right good so um let's set it up for a visit and it's probably going to
be 10 o'clock or so at your house on the 5th April 5 right and uh it would be very very helpful to us if we could get that planned before the 5th of April all right I I will um I'll certainly
contact uh colins engineering and see if they can uh just update this based on what what Brooke has done perfect that that's good thank you very much I appreciate your courtesy and patience with us of course thank you all right thanks
have a good evening than you too um next on the agenda is new business um and I've got three things three things to appeal
to uh discuss um the first one is and this is just informational and I think you already know it all um that we did receive the superseding order from DP on March 4th uh and that's important because the
issuance date is the 4th of March um and the DP issued a superseding order approving the the uh project for the Lower Road field the artificial turf on the last uh page of that superseding
order it lays out the uh pallet rights of anybody in opposition and they have uh 10 business days from the issuance date and by my count that is the appeal could be filed up until and including
the 18th of March 2025 which is Saturday um it's Tuesday Tuesday what is it 18th no I'm sorry when I said when I said it's is it's Tuesday right I'm sorry
um so we haven't heard from them um and uh that's just informational uh the everybody's been notified the Town Administrator been notified Kevin Grim from the park department has been notified
um and uh as I understand it their funding is still in place to to do this um but they have to wait or they should wait until the passage of the appell at time and if it's peeled we we'll address they'll address that U that was number one number two and this is not an order
of importance at all but uh on last Saturday Authur and I had the uh privilege and opportunity to go to the Massachusetts Association of conservation commissions um and it was uh pretty interesting I know most of you
have been many times probably not as many as I have but um uh it was interesting and the ones that the subject matter that I was most interested in is the open space uh no net loss um you know the the public
property being you know in a change of use and we've all gone through that most recently with the GU Road uh exchange of the 2.8 Acres so that was as a matter of fact Milton was actually mentioned in during the presentation uh
there were a number of other towns that were also mentioned that it's not an unusual circumstance uh but they went through the you know the new um regulations and guidances um and uh essentially they they they described
what we've already gone through as to whether or not you needed appraisal of the land and yes the answer is yes whether or not there's a difference between fair market value and ecological value the answer is yes um interesting to me there is a uh a component of the
law now that says that you can uh actually have a financial alternative um to the to you know be added to the uh land swap if that it had happened I don't know that it's been used but it's actually built into the
new uh system uh but interesting it was just sort of an update on the law and uh and there are a number of towns that were interested in it because they're all involved in the same thing that we were involved in you know changing the use of land and they actually did get
into the change from passive Recreation to active Recreation and you may recall that was an issue for us uh when we um we received the land at Pope's Pond uh 41 Acres uh at the town meeting one of
the issues and it was presented in the article that there'd be a a set aside of up to four acres for the park Department um because if we received it and held it for conservation it would appear to be
passive Recreation if was then transferred to the park department for active Recreation meaning the playground at Ply Park Then That Could in fact trigger another 97 exchange so that these were all the issues that were
addressed there was no conclusion that there's no Epiphany at the end of it but it was just sort of an open discussion about what the towns are going through and the the role of eoea in recommending that the legislature you know either accept or
not accept the land transfer so it just kind of an update but it was it would be certainly familiar to all of you because we went through it um the the next issue I'm going to kick over to AA because there was a lot of talk about the uh
Marsh uh restoration the salt marsh restoration a can probably address that and then I I'll finish F I'll finish before out the starts and that is I did go to one on beavers um because we we had uh uh the beaver problem we have the
beaver problem uh and a lot of other towns to my surprise have the same problem and everybody addressed the the fact that the state does not allow you to trap and and transfer beavers you have to euthanize them um and that was a
concern to our own Public Health uh the Board of Public Health because you've got to get the permit from them um and the question is also do you have to get a permit from us because you're changing the dam or you may be you know taking down a dam and you're altering you know
the the flow of the hydrological uh mechanism of the area so it was a very interesting discussion and the bottom line to it was and they were they were very transparent about this there were two presenters on beavers and they they own a company together they said listen
we sell these you know Beaver decoys um and there are different mechanisms to fence the area to prevent the be beavers from getting in they're really clever in terms of getting around some of the fences but they have uh pipes that will
actually siphon the water over the top of the dam that the be this build um so there are you know mechanical you know mechanisms to to fool the beas uh it was very interesting I I walked away with uh
the feeling that we're not alone in addressing this problem and it it's it's I wouldn't say it's all over the state but it's it's not just Milton anyway um but there are you know business ways to get around and they're not that expensive some of the the pipes going
over the fence to bypass the Beaver Dam we're only we're talking you know you know3 or $4,000 they're not you know cost prohibitive um so anyway that was it and let let me kick it back to aam Marshland
restoration a you're on you're on mute we have some family here tonight so I wanted to spare you that it's her daughter's birthday oh you come you can come by later to see if there are any cupcake crumbs left the uh they had several sessions on
uh salt MH and Wetland restoration relating the two of them um a session on following up on those on Regional Coastal resilience and um a session on the impact of the uh new climate bill on
um what lands and conservation Commissions in general and what new regulations might be coming down the line um because of the uh um new climate bill in the balth of Massachusetts but
uh wetlands and coastal wetlands in particular are receiving a considerable amount of priority in the Commonwealth and this evening I was uh down at the neasa river Watershed association's meeting at the um uh
restaurant in the lower Mill but they had about a 2 and a half hour reception just to touch bases with Shan McGinty and follow up to a message that I left him about a $10 million FY 26 czm coastal zone management uh funding uh
that's available and see whether or not we might be able to be packaged in it and this is something that we have to uh explore relative to the MBTA situation for the town of Milton in this possibility that they could file for a
number of communities as a nonprofit and be anonymous in the communities that might be evolved but we'll go down that road a little later on uh nevertheless one of the reasons for the imperative on the wetlands is that the speed at which
uh they absorb greenhouse gases is 10 times greater than the same area of a mature Forest so the state is encouraging communities like our is where we have 33 such acres under our
care now as of the last town meeting to uh be developing uh ways of protecting that we have an impediment in the town and that is the uh Baker Dam it has um blocked a good deal of the
sediment that would naturally come down the deet River and go into the Marshland area building up the marsh so for well over a Century that hasn't been uh taking place and there's no chance that that dam is going to be addressed until
after the a super fund project is completed that 3.7 Mile Stretch from motherbrook uh down to the dam for the removal of uh toxic uh materials pcbs and so on down the line they have gone from motherbrook down to the
Hollingsworth Dam and now uh proceeding be on that one but it's going to be a good number of I would guess you on something in the vicinity of five or six years before they clean out down to the baker Dam I agree but the uh the state
is encouraging communities collaboratively funded I'm sorry H is that super fund Works still funded the super fund is funded it's Federal funding yeah but that's has it's got a different question question in the
last month did they lose any funding I don't know I'm sorry I couldn't hear you clearly um not to my knowledge I haven't heard anything to that effect I think prior grants may be grandfathered that's my hope but we'll see what nope comes
around the corner no Wendy says that no guarantees that that's been my experience talking with other colleagues with with environmental grants yeah um sorry Arthur didn't mean to cut
you off there well no you asked a good question uh one that I hadn't thought of and something that uh I'll pursue with the Neons Riv Watershed Association because they have direct they have the direct line of communication with the EPA on that super
fund Grant um I won't spend too much more time on it other than to say that the work that we've been doing in terms of the surveying of the msh down there is going to be very instrumental in terms of being able to collaborate with other
organizations and communities on uh restoration and preservation of that MH land for not only uh climate related purposes but also recreational purposes in the town of Milton and also to help control the foot traffic that we have on
the MH land I sent um a couple of people not everybody here a a mid January photograph in the snow of the foot traffic from the end of Riverside Drive out to Black Rock and you think it was
the middle of the summer in terms of the the uh amount of people the numbers of people that have been using the trails out there and I've been down and and seeing multiple groups of fishermen going out into the marsh and just walking willy-nilly all over the marsh
land and the marsh can't uh take that much longer it's uh it's not in the strongest shape so we have to put in uh guidance and guidelines on where people go how it can be preserved and what it's for so we're on track with that here in
the town that's a nutshell any questions I'll be happy to answer them now or later we we have one additional uh piece of new business and that is and this uh should probably require a vote and it's
not on the agenda for a vote but enforcement orders can be issued at any time by any one of us and then returned to the Conservation Commission for a a conf confirmatory vote but you'll recall
that a month ago we invited um an invite is is the actual word we invited uh representatives of the American Legion Post to come and talk to us about moving their equipment out of our jurisdiction um and there two gentlemen that came
down and uh I think we addressed the issu that said listen you're you've been a good neighbor in Milton and uh we value your presence um and your contributions um and pursuant of that we'd like to come with a an agreement that you'll move the hydraulic equipment
and trucking you know the a lot of equipment that was there parked in our jurisdiction I know Tom you got some maps on the flood plane um and uh and Arthur and I were actually down there inspecting and climbing over fences and
Rock and boulders and this is when we found what we call the road to nowhere it goes from the DP the uh Department of Transportation to mass do or used to be Mass Highway uh that runs basically parallel to the expressway at that point
and it's parallel to uh Granite Avenue and they they just cut of rode through through our jurisdiction and they piled up the soil at the end of the what they had excavated or smoothed off into a road and they piled it up right at the edge of the Wetland so uh I don't really
know what the flow characteristics are of the Wetland at that point but it's not going anywhere by this this new dam uh that's been created at the end of the uh at the end of the road um I take granted Avenue every day to go to work
and I've been looking um and unfortunately the American Legion folks have not moved the equipment um I had asked again as a courtesy for Arthur um who was a a good relationship with both uh the new uh commander of the post and
I guess the assistant Commander um and they said oh you're right you know we're trying to find space for them um and we'll get it out by this weekend but that was week or so ago if not more week and a half ago I guess uh and it's still
there um and so I I think it's time to issue an enforcement order uh to give them some additional time but not much because it's been a month when they said they would move it and we worked out a place that they could move it within their property I know it's an income
source for them um but um uh you know I would like to issue the enforcement order uh to say that you know we'll give you another 10 days to get them out of our jurisdiction um and after that you'll face a fine of as our bylaw says
up to $300 per day per violation and each viol each truck would be or each uh you know excavator or Backle that they've got there would be a separate violation I'm not I'm not trying to play the hot guy but they told
us at a public meeting a month ago that they would move it we talked about where they could move it um and the the answer was you just move it on the Granite Avenue side of the parking area and when I say side if you use the cell tower as
the midpoint if you put the trucks and excavation equipment on the Granite Avenue side you're out of our jurisdiction um but they haven't done it they told us at a public meeting they would they told Authur that just give us
a couple more days we're going to get it out of there it's still there I I confess I did not go by there today but I went by there yesterday it's still there um so my uh what I would like to do is uh issue the enforcement order to tell them we'll give your another 10
days all I have to do is move it across the parcking lot um and if you don't do that then you'll face fines that according to our bylaw are up to um uh $300 per day per violation we don't have to calculate it
out but that that's my view and I'd like to make a motion uh that you approve such an enforcement order and I do so make that motion I would second that John all right Tom thank you any discussion on it's not
Draconian and you'll remember when we revised our enforcement order regulation uh a couple of years ago we decided to take you know you have two approaches one is like the invitation say please do this and then to actually issue the enforcement order I think that
we've been courteous to our good neighbors and they've been courteous to us they just haven't done done what they said they would do and I don't see any alternative other than than just to say oh okay um any other you know views on this or
discussion points or questions uh John this is Steve IIs yeah um I went out there on Sunday morning and added some Flags pink flags pretty close to where I thought the wetlands were on the site I
think maybe there were 15 flag my son assisted I'm a little bit wobbly these days um so there are some Flags which they could take and get a get a 100 foot tape and walk it back and put some you
know orange paint right on the on the car MAAC and to keep everything out of that area so I've made it easy for them did you talk to any there uh yes I did I sure did and told
them what I was doing and why all right and Arthur can can you recite your conversations with Dan um John is of the I have a 20 February 24th Communication in front of me uh from uh
Heritage Hall saying uh the ATT tenant had begun moving his equipment and at the large trailer that's also up against the area um was plenty to be removed I have a couple of photos and I don't know if you can see
this but this one shows a considerable amount of the equipment moved out of that corner including the uh back hose uh Steve could you see any back hose up against the uh area to be flagged uh not
a one not a one the back hes were out of there so my sense John would be in view of these this communication in these photographs here's a another one that's uh I don't
know if you can see this it's a closer up and I don't know if I forwarded to you but I will into the other commission members um uh maybe something that we want to table for one until maybe the meeting our meeting on the 5th of
April Arthur I went by there yesterday and I saw a yellow armed whether you call it a back ho or you know a front end loader or something it was there yeah they had a back hole where
where's the there John in between the uh swer that's my point of reference to sow between that and the the tree line which is the edge of the parcking lot the tree line and the edge of the parking lot is the same right but there
go by there every day they were all over on the dirt on the earth those excavators the two excavators on the I'm sorry they were off the maam and they were on the
earth no I'm saying they were whether it's Madam or durt it's on the Woodline or the Treeline side of the uh cell tower and we were abundantly
clear on February 11th at a public meeting that they would remove those they agreed to it to move it on the other side of the cell tower that was the dividing line
um that I don't recall specifically so I can't comment on it well we had a full about the flood plane and Tom Tom Palmer you know you know brought up his and showed the the pictures and and that's that's how we arrived because we didn't
have flags at the time um Tom does that flood plane go to the toe of slope does it go where toe of slope does it go to the toe of slope um I'll try have another look at
it right now sure something I took off I I I put some Flags what I did was go ahead yeah um I just took it off the
massgis site where you can overlay the 100-year flood plane that's all it was and I'm doing it again now and by the way I think the Selectmen are talking about voting on some new FEMA Maps or something is that the case does anybody
know that there have been an update of flood zones um that is very recent I heard that was coming but I haven't seen anything specifically on it well I guess we're still using the old ones and here I am looking at it now
I'm sorry you're not looking at it but what it is is a area that comes from the north mainly up toward the Panza Valley UB crosses over to the west side of Granite
Avenue and covers nearly the entire mass transportation lot but it doesn't come up onto the lot of the Legion Post except on its west side and
not onto the cleared area either the West side that is treed so the antenna itself and its enclosure is out of the flood plane and the dirt area that's on the far side of
the antenna from gramit Avenue that was just discussed that is really runs to the edge of it it looks like as you say toe of slope there is probably the border of the flood plane right and I would say
tow slope is probably where are put in your flags too pretty much for the Wetland there yeah although that slope seems to be migrating into the Wetland because all that heavy equipment parked
back there tends to push it in so agreed yeah that's as much as I know okay we're consistent at least Tom yes so go go back though to your your flags if you're consistent measure
100 fet from the FL so where does that take you it takes takes you into the U onto the tarmac yes how how far in Ste because one of the things that we did say to them in the conversation was that when
you return they would be flagged and then we would measure in from the new Flags so that they would have an idea of what the proper area was where they could store their equipment the north side of that by the
by the tower it's a lot closer in the the Wetland line is a lot closer to the edge of the top of slope there and then it comes around out to the west and then South
South to the tow slope so uh you can go there any day and take a look at the flag is a bright pink okay so could conceivably go down there and spray paint on the as is done with surveying practices very commonly so that they
would know where they are specifically yes exactly and the the equipment is more close to the northern side than anywhere else right now at
least on Sunday it was a couple days ago okay so if they got the equipment just mov South 100 feet that would do a lot to the existing conditions out there joh think relay this to them and
uh U see whether or not they move quickly and then do the enforcement order or do you want to go ahead Mo move quickly they told us at a public meeting a month ago that they would move it and they have
not well they have moved equipment they're still in our jurisdiction and we promised them that we would flag it and recalibrate the jurisdiction for them all right right so you want to put it back on us I'll I'll go with that but I I'm not happy about
this auor because when somebody makes a representation to us and then they refuse to do it they're starting behind the behind the curve I I'm not disagreeing I'm just trying to can you go out and spray paint a 100 foot Mark
for and if you're there you might tell them that it's not going to be 10 days it's going to be a lot f a lot faster than that because they're already 30 days out from their promise so I'll I'll withdraw my
motion um and perhaps on Arthur's uh wiser approach to our good neighbors but tell them to take the stick out of my eye I don't like getting poked in and once that once that spray paint is
there I suggest that they move it move that equipment out of it and Steve do you have a time when you and I might be able to do that together uh yes but I'm sorry not this week it's just a really really busy
week early next week perhaps but your flags are there and I have a measuring tape so I'll do some approximations sure yeah that's all you need I think yeah and I'll yourself some I'll get to them tomorrow John that's
great author thank you well thanks thank sorry about that author no it's all right fing this together and and the flip side of the same coin is uh can you give us an update on talking to
the folks at Mass do Steve oh yes I I will just tell them that an enforcement order is coming unless without question I have no you equivocating there I I spoke to Mr Henry Webster who
is the new director I guess out there at that particular facility he told me that his facility is responsible for picking up the sides of the road and snow plowing Etc uh down 28
to the Randolph line and then down Route three to the hangam line so that's a pretty good siiz area um when we walked that Road to Nowhere as you call it um there were
two um pieces of equipment backos there and I said please move them as soon as possible and he said he would um and then we we walked there and there's a couple of trailers storage
trailers some old AC units but that road was already was put in before his time which is only two years ago uh the the previous U man who was
director has passed away and so he had other things properly positioned in my opinion uh with uh Jersey barriers around everything outside the Wetland but some things were
very close to if not inside the Wetland in that area the majority of the material that was there were attachments for winter okay as you may have seen your wow we did yeah plow
attachments um so I suggested to John that we I have me go talk with Erica ler and have a after the
fact um notice of intent done for that filled roadway and then while we're talking about it we will be able to meet some of the people who are doing permitting for the
do and you give them a sense of we're interested in having any hydraulic equipment out of there at the same time so we we can have some discussions but Mr Mr Webster was very happy to talk
and he was very transparent he didn't didn't try to say no no no that's not a problem uh he never said you know um it's not our fault or anything he took complete responsibility and said well we'll we'll
do what we need to do so that was very happy I was very happy to hear that good for you Steve very good so will you make that a formal request that they file and after the fact notice of intent I will I will do that with Erica lner who is the
permit um director I guess all right and and my concern is at the end of the road closest to the American Legion Post uh they did pile up the soil at the end so it does look like a dam the problem with that is that I think the water but I
don't know this but I think the water is flowing northward and that's it's gonna act as a dam I don't know where the water's gonna go there's a ditch that's between 93 and this road to nowhere yes
and it goes about halfway past the dot yard and then just forms a big pool and you heard the guy the from the legion saying there's a roofed over hole in the ground there and as I mentioned I think
that is the remains of the Culver going under 93 to the neonet or Culver's Creek and uh it looks like it's completely uh defunct so I would say that that area
May drain at this point but it looks to me more likely that it floods rather than drains and it also looks to me like there are two pools uh up north of the uh
transportation area uh if you look look on the areial very carefully I believe there two up there yeah that's all so we'll get that going John good they have a problem on their own
about that puddle lapping out into their paved yard yes sort of there most yeah yeah he mentioned that yep all right any that's also the lot that where they put the snow mageddon do
you remember the pile of snow that was in that lot it was it was at least four stories high it was very impressive how high they piled that snow um and uh they
needed all the room they had for that pile of snow and that was in March of 2015 right all right any other thoughts or comments or questions sounds like we have a plan on on the enforcement orders
um uh any other additional business I have some yep philli um have we ever thought of electronic signatures when I was a trustee at the library we did electronic signatures rather than
having everybody come in and you know chasing people yes Hallelujah so what what would happen so I'd send my signature in say you know I Philip drisol trustee approve blah blah blah
and they would attach that to what was approved that something we can think about no we can do it I I don't know how to do it do we need permission from Town Council or to the lady at the it was the it was
it just sounds like the trustees decided amongst themselves to do it it doesn't say anything about you know Town Council but I will um speak to Jan again and see if she got if we need to get Town Council involved all right check that out because that would be a vote by a claim
yes all right so um I'll check with Jan and see if Town Council need to be involved in report next meeting all right so uh and the next meeting will be April 5 we it's a public meeting so we could if we need a vote we could do it then okay yeah Phil the uh you might run this
by the slug Board office okay good good thought author because we had I think electronic signatures that we used on some materials as well yeah not that I don't want to see anybody but it just it's
quicker if I get an email than you know oh absolutely okay I'll check with Jan and I'll check with the the select Board office to report back on August April 5th all right and and actually I should
go back and check again with Peter Melo because periodically I've talked to Town Council about our continued use of um Zoom for our meetings and and he said it it's been extended a number of times but I think the latest um Governor's order
was going to expire sometime this spring I'm not I'm not sure when it's this month if you look at the cover sheet end of March end of March on the cover sheet of this meeting where is it under
agenda through March 31st 2025 so that's how far the official permission goes apparently we're where were you reading on the agenda um the fine print just in the
bottom half John the top of the bottom half the bottom half under agenda March 31 right okay print yeah between agenda and number one all right so we'll have to figure out um very soon about whether or not we
we need to go back to uh inperson meetings um I don't know I anybody feel strongly one way or the other I the reason I like the hybrid is because it's to be honest with you it's cheaper for most of the applicants I mean the big developers probably don't care they've
got enough money in the bank to you know pay for their engineers and representatives um the problem for the homeowner is that if they pay them they have to come in from another city or town and they all build portal to portal so it does raise the money for the
homeowner if if they have an engineer or an attorney and they don't all um but that's why I thought the hybrid was was actually good for you just a you know regular homeowner um but I you know I I'll do it whatever the law requires
obvious and this goes back to the point about taking with legal counsel because uh Kevin kept us up to date previously when he was Town Council yeah on whether or not this would be extended and we want to find out from him or the town administrator's office whether or not
the legislature has plans to extend it and if the governor would be willing to assign that I I think it's a great facilitation for everybody it's going to be extended but I haven't heard anything officially yeah I'll check with Nick
Milano and and Peter um uh but I mean anybody have strong feelings one way or the other that we you know should continue do a hybrid go back to inperson there's good points on both
sides I think true you do a combination of the two right but the combination of the two would require that that we all right that we all show up in person not all of us necessarily oh really
yeah oh okay all right well let me I'll check with u uh both Peter and Nick Milano tomorrow right see where we have all right anything else for disc discussion new business anything motion to adjourn
anybody second charie if you got a second all right all in favor I I thanks all good night [Music]
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