Well, everybody is ready. I will I will call uh the May meeting of the Clinton Action Planning Committee to order. Uh quick call the transcript. Um
first voting numbers. Matt Nucci >> here. >> Arthur Doyle >> here. >> That's me. I'm here. Uh one Israel present in the room. Uh Stephen Buckan
here. and Kim Johnson >> here. >> Uh we also have associate members Hale Smith who's here muted and Anna Morgan Baran
who is also here >> here. And we're joined tonight by our municipal energy manager Kai Miller. Thanks for coming. Okay, a quick item about this for us to warm up with uh to vote to approve the
April 2026 meetings minutes. Uh have folks had a chance to review and do you have any questions or corrections? >> Alex, I had just one small correction. uh you had referred to me as on Zoom
when I was actually present uh you know not initially but later in the document. >> Got it. Uh I'll make a note to correct that later
is present. Uh, so I think we can vote to approve the minutes pending that amendment. I'll entertain motions to that effect. >> I move to approve the minutes. >> Okay, we have a motion from Ron. Any seconds?
>> Second. >> Sec. >> Okay, I'll give that one to Arthur. Um, roll call vote. Matt, >> Arthur, >> yes. >> Alex, I vote yes. Ron, >> yes.
>> Steven Puck, >> yes. >> Kim Johnson, >> yes. >> All right. Uh, the minutes are approved pending a correction to indicate that Hill Smith was uh present in person for the meeting.
All right. Um so just a quick uh heads up um before we dive into the next agenda topic which is uh Kai's energy manager update. Um I think his update will tie in to um
several of the uh subsequent topics on the agenda. Uh, and I just want to draw people's attention to a revision I made to the official posted agenda that I appear I apparently neglected to make in the um
uh in the before the committee. Um, items five and six uh are a discussion a review of the municipal decarbonization roadmap. I originally had that as a draft review. we actually have the final the final report um it's been
distributed uh so we'll be reviewing and discussing that also the topics updated to include a vote to endorse um so just be be aware that we'll be voting on on that this evening as well as the
zero emission vehicle first policy uh draft review and uh uh endorsement vote. Okay. So keep that in mind as you listen to Kai. Tell us everything that's going on. I'll hand it over to you Kai. >> Thank you for your time and thank you
for joining tonight. The first item I wanted to talk about is the climate leader community certification that we are pursuing and it's basically the the same status quo
as a couple of months ago in that The last two remaining criteria the town of Milton needs to fulfill are the um adoption of the zero emissions vehicle first policy meaning that the town would
prioritize purchasing e uh EVs electric vehicles and it's as a townwide policy. That's number one. And the second criterion is um adoption of the municipal
decarbonation roadmap which now is complete with uh with review or with comments by climate action planning committee members that were much appreciated. Um, these two documents will have to be
adopted by the select board and the school superintendent and everything needs to be in order well before June 30th so we can submit all the necessary documents to the state
department of energy resources which will then review everything and hopefully Milton will be a climate leader community by fall of this year after having been a green community since
2010. Um if and when Milton becomes a climate leader community, it will be one of maybe 40 municipalities statewide. It's the part of a select group that is in
the that has climate leader status and that status would unlock uh more money up to a million dollars for uh the implementation of energy efficiency and climate projects and up
to $150,000 in technical assistance per grand cycle. Yeah. Per grand cycle. Yeah. There's no guarantee that it would stay the same in the future, but the intention is to like a mass safe program every every three years.
>> Yeah. It wouldn't be an annual thing. I think so far there have been no communities that have been in a position to actually reapply for a new cycle. So >> because the first cohort was less than three years ago.
>> Does the select board have to sign off before June 30th? >> Yes. And the town >> that happen >> that's my intention. That's the town administrator's intention. Uh yeah, so
as a select board advisory committee, I think our job tonight is to start, you know, start going over this with a a diligent eye uh and and ask some of the questions that they
would have. Um they'll be meeting I think they'll be discussing it for the first time next week. uh and we'll have a few other opportunities to meet before the deadline, but yeah, more time is better,
I think. >> Yeah. Any questions on these two documents which I believe Alex linked in um linked in in preparation for this
meeting. I should say that the municipal decarization road map is final whereas the zero emissions first vehicle policy is not final though mostly done. The zero emissions first vehicle policy
draft is based on a model of NEM which I think became a climate data community last year and pound administrator asked me to uh research different models and need them
models seem to be reasonable to us. Um so I don't I don't know how many committee members have had the chance to read through this in detail. Uh it might be helpful to sort of give a high level outline of what's in it. Um and any kind
of headline findings I think >> headline findings from the municipal decarbonization road map or from the um talking about the zero emissions vehicles first. Let's >> start with the decarbonization road map.
So um the decarbonization roadmap unlike the climate action plan that you're all passed with um bad things or was already drafted. The municipal decarbonization
roadmap is has a narrow a more narrow for focus in that it has the goal of developing a non-binding plan to fully decarbonize municipal operations by 2050.
And uh I I even more narrow um the building section focuses on those 10 buildings which make up more than 90% of the town's total building emissions.
which is why the four schools are in there, the town hall, the fire headquarters, but not some a building as small as the animal shelter that that was not subject to more thorough analysis.
Um the we uh got a grant, a technical assistance grant from DOER, the Department of Energy Resources, the state department of energy resources to pay power options um
a nonprofit uh as a consultant. They were our consultant in drafting this and they uh did more of a highlevel analysis of uh the trajectory the pathway towards full decarbonization and
municipal operations rather than doing thorough uh review or even examination of each of these buildings. Um so I think this document is very useful
and for a bird's eye view. Um but many of and and one of the more useful parts in it is if you have the option of looking at it this table on
page 13. On page 13, there's table six and it provides a timeline of trigger events, so-called trigger events,
um that consists of moments in time when the heating and or cooling equipment comes to the end of life and needs to be replaced. And which age was
>> 13. And the goal is that having outlined these trigger events when the fossil fuel heating equipment needs to be replaced ideally we would replace it with electrified heating
options. And so, um, you see here that the first school that in this road map that would be that would see a replacement of its heating systems would be the Pierce Middle
School, which in 2028 uh, could possibly receive a ground source heat pump system. I also have to say that uh because it's such a high
>> because it's such a um macro level. >> Sorry, could folks uh mute we're we're not speaking. I think we're going to send some feedback >> because it's such a high view analysis.
Um I I would be cautious to view this as the the definitive road map or plan. Um for example, the high school, we just did an in-depth analysis of the high school so-called comprehensive building assessment and
the financial projections we got for that on uh ground source pumps were very very very high $50 million. Um So there yeah there there might be this
timeline is not set in stone. It might change but I think it's a useful orientation. >> Yeah. I think as a the first pass it's good to have a a kind of rough estimate of how long these systems have left so
that we can prioritize what what requires focus soonest. Um, I see they're recommending heat seat pumps across the board and that's probably because they they're the Cadillac of decarbonization optimisms, but they're not the only
VRF. Yeah. What is VRF? >> Variable refrigerant flow heat pumps. That's a that's also a heat pump and it's uh I believe an an air to refrigerant uh heat pump. Is that the the sort of
standard air source heat pump akin to what most people install in their home? >> Actually, it's it's airto air if I remember correctly. It's an airto-air heat pumps source and it's more um
unlike I mean it's more for commercial buildings than for residential buildings. It's like an airsource heat pump that many people now have in their homes, but more complex and can serve
more uh more and bigger spaces. >> Where will the funds to pay for this come from? So, um, I will say a small portion as of now, a small portion can cover state
funds, the $1 million grant, for example. Yeah. $1 million grant source heat pump. I learned again yesterday unlike many of the other climate measures from the Biden air
administration still is alive and has um there's much more time to get a very generous tax federal tax credit for grants for heat pumps until 2034 2034. Um, so much of the money
could come from the federal government um, >> for the grounds for heat pumps at least. Um, and I mean I would stress that
this is equipment that the town must maintain regardless. Uh and so when when the existing heating and HVAC systems in the school buildings reaches end of life, the town will be
investing significantly some one way or another to replace those. Uh and that's the kind of um capital intensive project that we have capital planning committees and the school committee uh and the professional uh facilities department
that manages. Um >> and the question will be uh whether in the final analysis whether it we can make electrification uh retrofits pencil out as a when probably higher upfront
costs likely lower operating costs um and adding in potential sources of state federal grant funding. Uh can we make the decarbonization pathway make
financial sense for the town? That will be the challenge. The road map sort of tells you which challenges you have to take in what order, by what time. Uh but we're definitely we're getting to a place here where we need more of that sort of professional support. And I'm I'm happy to report that I I learned
today the school committee appointed uh one of their members, Stevie Calwell, um to sit on the climate action planning committee next year. So we'll have an actual school committee member um uh sitting with us who is in the loop on
how the schools makes decisions and hopefully that'll help us uh collaborate with them more effectively. Great. >> A question if I may. Yes, please. >> Uh, should we be adding under municipal
buildings the Milton Arts Center? >> So, that's actually news to me. Is the Milton Arts Center a large town owned building? >> So, that's why it wasn't included in
this list. Um, and it's not even so I only really know Miltown buildings if they show up in the uh this data platform called Mass Energy Insights, which is an energy data
platform energy managers like me can use to track usage and greenhouse gas emissions. And I I actually don't remember seeing that building in the MEI data. Is it a fairly new building?
>> No. >> No. old library in East Milton that has been leased to the um um Milton Art uh population in town and it is to the best
of my knowledge u maintained by uh the central maintenance program, the consolidated facilities program. >> Okay. It might show up in the system in on my end as East Milton Libraries. Is
that possible? >> Not anymore. I doubt it. It has not been in that designation for maybe 10 years. >> I bet that's what it is though in the database. >> It wouldn't surprise me. Um because
there's no Eastmail library. So, okay. >> Right. So, they only included u the largest buildings that made up more than 90% of emissions. So, I think there's a there's a tale of >> uh smaller properties that are not included,
but what what percentage of townwide emissions comes from the high school alone? You think you >> 25? >> Yeah. So, the the the schools capture Mos buildings.
>> Uh Kai Kai, hi, this is Hail. Um, I guess, you know, I fully understand why the consultant focused in on the the town schools since they do make up the majority of of the town's carbon uh
emissions. Um, I thought that their analysis of the police station, the library, the town hall were pretty weak. um they didn't the report doesn't provide very much data about them and in
aggregate they actually represent a fairly significant you know portion of town town uh carbon emissions. >> Yeah. Um, so know what one of the things I I would hope that in subsequent
studies the town could consider is the idea of of uh a network geothermal network that might connect those buildings in the town center together um with a a highly efficient
geothermal uh heat pump system. Yeah, that would be a big a very big project. >> Yeah, >> but it seems like from this I think the main the most valuable takeaway from
this to me is the rough timeline, right? So that sounds like kind of a first half of the 2030s project, but we know how long things take, right? So we probably need to start laying the groundwork for it in the 2020s. Um
but also because it's not something that's kind of um on deck for the next few years. U harder to get people to focus on it. >> We we will be adding the East Milton Fire Station next year to this I assume.
And I just wanted to note that the Athetherton Street fire station is not identified as a municipal building and that's a substantive property. Yeah, it's um
so Athetherton it depended here in in my on my end fire station only makes up 0.56% of the total um emissions.
Um yeah and and we restricted ourselves only to the 10 largest ones. What page is that that you're looking at? >> Page seven. So on page seven, you can see what percentage of the to of the total each building makes up
>> and that includes all buildings in the town's portfolio. >> Yep. >> So they're not left out entirely. They were just um >> they didn't make the cut for uh the more in-depth analysis that the the largest building
>> Oh. Oh, there you go. The East Milton Library is still recorded as East Milton Library. Okay. Yeah. Um any any more questions on this? Um I think that a section on uh the
vehicle fleet is also kind of helpful for the zero mission vehicle first policy. Um you want to give us the head? >> Yeah, if you want to go on page 27 I was going to ask if the town has
always had that many uh wait 197 uh vehicles, 118 light duty. That seems like a high number to me. Has it has it always been that?
>> I actually don't know that. Um because most of my time is focused on buildings, I was also surprised to see this number in the report. Um many if if I had to guess at least some
of these are not in use anymore. Um >> I remember glancing at the data um in Mass Energy Insight and seeing some like really wacky old >> in there. >> Yep. But there uh there definitely are um I
mean it's I guess it's fairly obvious that the light duty vehicles are easier to replace with electric vehicles than the heavy duty vehicles. There's not as many heavy duty vehicles out there yet
on the market that are competitive with the fossil fuel with the gas powered heavy duty vehicles as light duty vehicles. This road map outlines how in in the first step in the next
11 light duty vehicles may be converted to electric. And as a matter of fact, and I mean Milton is actually on a good trajectory compared to especially the other municipality I work for,
Randolph. There there already are a number of EVs and part of the green community competitive grant we submitted a month or two ago. Um also included
some money for an EV, a Chevrolet Equinox if I remember correctly. um that can be used to bring down the cost, the acquisition costs. And um
yeah, this the projections here are aligned with the full decarbonization scenario by 2050. So in in the n in the 2040s the uh all of the duty vehicles and all
of the medium vehicle medium duty vehicles and light duty vehicles will have to be replaced. Yeah. >> I guess my only point with that was is there an opport you know the best way to decarbonize is not to have the vehicle
at all. So, is there a um a crosswalk between no town positions that require vehicles and uh just to ensure that you know it really is you
know the minimum needed. >> I assume that it is but you know >> if you say that there's older >> Go ahead. >> Yeah. the um
is it it's I think it's a zero ocean's first legal policy where um where the possibility or I guess the goal of encouraging alternative modes of transport is also mentioned.
I mean, I'm a biker. You might know that. You might not know that. But I would be the first one to push for municipal bikes for everybody, but I would make myself very unpopular. >> Um, yeah. And I I imagine it's entirely
within the policy to retire a vehicle without replacing it. >> Uh, yes. Um yeah that that actually is mentioned in the zero engines first vehicle see if I remember correctly
there any other uh questions? >> I'd just like to say this is very thorough and helpful. I was very impressed with it. >> Yeah, I agreed. Obviously, as this goes forward
to comments from the select board, um having the data bulletproof is obviously really important. So, I I think back maybe with Stephen who mentioned 156 vehicles sounds like a lot. If that's not actually what's active in a fleet, I
think it would behoove us to make sure that we've got the accurate number before submitting this further for review and comments. >> They'll pick that up, right? >> I mean, I think the buildings I think the buildings are the buildings, right? It's uh I think we've just proven to oursel that everything is captured in
that chart, but if we could tighten up the vehicle number, um I think it's in our interest to get uh approval from uh from the select board. >> Yeah, >> I I would second Matt's comment. I I think >> having a number that looks so obviously
wrong would >> Yeah. >> jeopardize um credibility for the whole report. >> Yeah. Is it obviously wrong or so? So the number is drawn from the uh mass energy insight inventory which is drawn
from uh the town fleet inventory and it gets updated automatically every year because the moment the town purchases a new vehicle uh the state has an automated data transfer through the um
DMV or the RMV. So >> I don't I don't think this is too far off. I think it's that the town owns that many vehicles. Yeah. And I guess the question is >> are they operational? >> Totally. Because >> it it gets you the same place, right?
Because the timeline would assume 156. Again, I might have the number wrong, but um >> replace them all. >> Correct. >> Yeah. So we start from a lower number and then replace actually lower than that. even better.
>> So that would >> Yeah. Again, I just I just think it's worth I just think it's worth checking. That's all. >> Agreed. >> I mean, in the interest of structuring our conversation, um we have two votes on the agenda. One
uh and reason we are an ad committee to the select board and the select board will be considering both these documents. Uh so I I mean I think it's going to be surprised uh if if the climate action committees endor this but
I think it's it's helpful to have a vote um with the decarbonation map. Um I I emphasize that the plan is nonbinding. So it's a
resource for planning. Um and in the uh approval of a select board um does not commit the town to do everything that's road map. Uh it's it's
just an acknowledgement uh and a statement of intent to use it as a resource to achieve these goals. the town's already um endomic goals which includes
municipal decarbonization 2050. So I I think it's a straightforward uh decision for the LE board to approve this because it does clear a way to become a climate leader
community without um uh like true new mandates for the town. Um, so I think it would be help we voted on this um, so we could focus more intently on
vehicle policy, which I think is there's more to talk about. >> Any thoughts about that? >> Makes sense. >> Would any would anyone like to make a motion to that effect?
I'll move to uh approve, I guess, if that's the right terminology. >> I think we should recommend to the select board that they approve. >> Okay. Uh to to recommend to the select board to to approve. I I make that motion.
>> I'll second the motion. And I'm assuming in here this includes Matt a review of any numbers >> as discussed previously. >> Check. Check. >> Yeah. I think that as this document is
used as a resource for further planning other other uh missing details or or the ground lifespan of its usefulness. >> Yeah, it's a nonbinding planning domain.
>> We are not um not you know waring that it's uh true and correct in any detail. Um but I think that Right. Okay. So we have a motion on the table. Uh any any discussion of the motion
>> be said. Uh then we'll move to a vote. Matt >> approved. Yes. >> Uh Arthur. >> Yes. D.
>> Yes. >> Ron, >> yes. >> Yes. >> And I vote yes. Uh, so that motion carries. Excellent. Um, all right. Shall we
shall we carry on with the um session of the zero mission vehicle first policy? >> Sure. >> Maybe give us a another layer of detail about what's in there. So template
you have um let me make sure that I'm opening up the same document as you are. Um, Alex, what would you have sent the ground? >> I I sent an email just this afternoon
that had a a little dry flank. Um, I also have a copy of her here if that's helpful. >> September, 2022. >> Yeah. So, um this draft is mainly based
on what uh Nim wrote and um the core of it, the the most important language or the the language that comes from a template or guidance language
from DOER from the Department of Resources on what this zero emission first fuel policy needs to include and among those core uh principles are the prioritization of
battery electric vehicles in the uh procurement policy. Um and then in uh following battery electric vehicles, this is on page three. We need resell each page numbers
plug-in hybrid vehicles. Then hybrid electric vehicles and then fourth, the most fuel efficient internal combustion uh vehicle. Yeah.
Um that's that's kind of the core of the policy. There also are exemptions such as uh any vehicle heavy duty vehicle the gross vehicle weight rating
of over 2,500 lb those vehicles are exempt. Emergency response vehicles are exempt. >> I don't see the 8,500 lb. That's in the in the definitions that go up. Yeah.
Um and there also are further um stipulations on planning and uh and how this whole policy isn't
only about replacing the fleet organizing the fleet but also expanding the infrastructure necessary for battery electric vehicles. um such as charger charging infrastructure
which we are in the process of expanding just today about adding electric vehicles charging stations at the council on aging more stations in the town hall parking lot
um and a replacement of existing stations at Wararf street. So that's kind of the that's the broad overview of this policy. Do you have any specific questions?
I have a couple. >> Yeah. >> Um so uh the so on on page three, this is this is a minor one. just uh your definition of zero emission vehicles. Uh
I was surprised to see plug-in hybrid electric there. I mean, it's not really a zero emission vehicle. Uh so maybe that's just um what the the state considered zero emission, but I I was surprised to see that. Um but more
substantively um I guess in some of these places um it would be nice to uh have uh it point to um some standard methodology in and how
they're making determinations of you know to select one vehicle or another. It's mostly language that you know the town will decide sort of you know what's what's what's best but it's it's there's no there's no sort of standardized
methodology of how that would be or you know presentation of that methodology to any any sort of group. So, uh, to me it it it's very I mean it's nice. Uh, I I think this captures a lot, but there
there there's no accountability is a harsh word, but there there there's nothing sort of behind it that really um ensures that, you know, people are really taking this as seriously as they
might. So I just I was just curious of you know your thoughts on is it is this how it has to be written to because it won't pass otherwise or this is just standard language and those things will happen as a matter of course.
>> Yes. So the um DOE they do review vehicle acquisitions and one does have to uh explain to them
when vehicle acquisitions do not match this policy the way DOER understands it. So there is oversight the department of energy resources
uh I I do also think that they wrote it they they provide flexibility to towns to write the policy uh with a certain framework. For example, Cambridge
which is a higher capacity city than Milton. they have some kind of lifetime missions methodology that they integrate into their vehicle acquisition and that would be frankly speaking out out of our
league um to do it for every vehicle. Um I don't know how how well it's working for Cambridge, but I know they have that. Um
yeah, I also know that in some cases department real concerns that some of the more fuel efficient vehicles they've purchased. Uh the hybrid police cruisers
haven't worked everywhere at all. Um and that's here. I haven't seen any reports of that but I have heard these concerns from serious sources.
So there that's why I think there is some flexibility in but the accountability is um you know we have we'll go through an annual currently go through an annual um reertification process for green communities which as
Kai said involves a review of vehicle purchases and um we have a a fuel efficient vehicle policy to for green communities and it's accountability is if you pay no attention to it, you lose
your green community status. And I imagine it would be the same. >> Yeah. >> Um so I I'm more concerned on the other end that like um I think for me to vote to endorse this as a member of the
action planning committee where our charge is to tell the select board what we think is necessary to achieve the goal of net zero by 2050. I think it it's obvious why my role will be but if I were a select board member I have a
lot of questions about the the cost implications and the operational implications of this that I you know I have not to see the evidence for right so I mean we learned from the
decarbonization roadmap that we can anticipate about light duty vehicle replacements between now and 2030. It's not an enormous uh number of vehicles and there are vehicles that we would have to pay to
replace any this is not 100% new expense but if those become uh these are we spending more money or are we saving money right I mean just that level of directional um you you could
imagine that uh a slightly higher upfront cost could pay for itself and lower operating costs depending on where fuel goes and where the price of electricity goes. Um so there'd be a lot of questions about the
cost impact of this and I wonder um certainly it will get asked by the select board what information do do we have available for them that
>> I think that um it's in the past couple of years it's become clear due to most vehicle experts that
electric vehicles have lower operate or maintenance costs than fossil fuel vehicles. There are less parts that need to be replaced basis. So, the maintenance costs are
lower. That's fairly uncontroversial. When it comes to operating costs or more specifically fuel costs, there are some states where thanks to the lower electricity costs, electric vehicles
have been a no-brainer for uh for some time. Uh in Massachusetts, it it was less clearcut, I think. I mean even even out here I remember reading New York Times analysis comparing
the E versus combustion engine tradeoff in different states and Massachusetts was where EVs were a bit more expensive when it came to fuel costs than
combustion is. I think the Iran church did a job changing that. I think now the calculation has changed for the better >> or to the benefit of EVs,
>> it certainly highlights the uncertainty projecting future energy loss, >> right? Um, and when it comes to the upfront costs, the acquisition, for a long time, EVs were more expensive. Costs have been
dropping fairly rapidly. I think now EVs are at cost parody, especially for light duty vehic small smaller administrative vehicles. And what really makes them a no-brainer is incentives and grants come
into play. Um, one the the Chevy Equinox that we're trying to get a grant for would be I think $20,000 after it after the grant instead of 35
or $40,000 and even 35 or $40,000 is a good price for an all-wheel drive car. And the Chevy Equinox is an EV electric vehicle. I did notice that decar roadmap pedal line state incentives make make EV
purchases some positive now and I was wondering what those incentives are. that um >> there's um so there there is the green communities
funding and then there also are um I think it's mass ev that might be it. No, I'm forgetting the grant program name but the state does have grant funds for electric vehicle acquisition.
One thing that I think would be helpful, I mean, presumably we know what those specific 11 vehicles that they're referring to are, uh, if for at least some or all of them, if we could say if we replace it today,
here's what we would likely buy under our current policy. Here's what we would buy under that permission policy. What's the price difference today? Um, we know, we all know that prices move
around um over time, but that's probably would be a good um baseline piece of information to have. And I think also um we clearly we don't have 11 town chargers. Um, so I'd wonder
how many chargers do you need um within the next five years to be able to keep those 11 vehicles running? I mean, there's a big difference between, yeah, we drive them hard all day long, five days a week, or maybe some of them sit in a parking lot um
a bunch of time, in which case maybe we don't need. Yeah, >> that that was going to be one of one of my comments, Alex, was just about the fairly minimal um discussion about charging infrastructure in the document.
Again, I'm sure you're following a template here. So, maybe that's normal, but um you know, it's a maybe uh under um discussed in in in the document for for the select board perhaps.
>> Yeah. So, As of now, the Milton has two stations with a total of four ports if I remember correctly and we're in discussions to add two more station
additional stations with the total six ports. So in total by the end of this year we hope to have 10 ports. >> Okay, maybe that can be added to to to the documents. Um and
>> policy, but it should in the kind of >> packet for the select board, it should be >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Agreed. And and maybe the other comment that I would have is just to you know if if we are making similar
recommendations proposals in our climate action plan maybe those could also be referenced just to continue to draw people back to what I think we consider to be you know the the document that we want more eyes on more more more engagement. I know we're peeling these
these off a bit for for the right reason, but to the extent that it could also point back to the work of the climate action plan, um I think I think it's in our interest to do that. >> I believe the climate action plans
transportation chapter has a zero vehicle policy as one of its near priority recommendations. I can clarify that while we discuss. >> Yeah,
>> I thought it did. >> Two questions. One is >> our police vehicles covered under this >> and second is >> um >> we talked about a list in the buildings
document 90 something vehicles as a town owned are those to what extent are those going to be covered? So to the first question, police and fire administrative vehicles
are covered. Yes, police and fire emergency vehicles are exempt. However, police cruisers are exempt only as long as uh commercial are as long as
efficient alternatives are not commercially available. And that's some open for discussion. Um because towns are producing
hybrid police cruisers, electric vehicle police, and they're not always finding them to be suited to their needs. Sometimes they do they're content, but in other cases they're not content. So, um I think I would be if if
we actually got to that point of having to decide whether or not to be more uh I guess dedicated towards replacing police cruisers with EVs, then we would really have to be sure that it would
police operations. And the second question um on replacing the number of 194 vehicles it would be bit by bit um whenever a vehicle comes to the end of
its life and it would have to be replaced and it would have to be raced with a vehicle in compliance with this policy. So I've often wondered like when it says I think the the original wording was u when commercially available and
practable and so that word practicable could do a lot of a lot of work there right like if if something's commercially available but it the town needs three new vehicles and it can afford three
um plug-in hybrids but it but happened in the market and fully electric vehicles now cost three times what plug-in hybrid does. Um, not
that's plausible, but suppose we're in that scenario. Like could the town say is not practicable because the town has a demonstrated need and budget for only one
electrical so it's inadequate or are you your hands truly tied in that situ we could include the word practical um I'm a bit surprised that I thought it was included here somewhere
>> that's um in the climate leader community um guidance for this requirement. member. >> Yeah. >> Um it is here. I see it. Yeah. It's mentioned it's just not mentioned right
next to the police cruisers, which is why we should need it. So when it comes to it um the accountability for practical means is that kind of a negotiation between the town and do
>> where they'll probably approach it from sort of a reasonable perspective based on what peer communities are doing >> right >> um and the worst case scenario is they take away
finite leader status if Right. Um I was also wondering um how long do vehicles stay in the town portfolio,
right? Um do we buy vehicles and like drive them into the ground, keep 25 years or are we like, you know, more like leasing, turn turning them over more frequently which would impact kind of
uh like when we think about school HVAC placements, we know that if we miss that that target, you know, if that thing becomes urgent to replace and we don't do electric, if locked in 20 years fossil fuels from a large building,
>> is it the same with these vehicle replacements where if we we don't go electric now, we're locking in till um 2045? Well, under this scene for for most light due vehicles, as long as
they're not police cruisers or emergency response, they're the replacement have be an electric vehicle >> and or plug-in hybrid. I think electric vehicle with the new target set.
>> I'm just thinking of the you know if there's a a vehicle comes up for replacement in 2031 when there still aren't really commercially available options for say a police cruiser that meets the
requirements of the police department. um we might uh a fossil fuel police cruiser in 2031. Is that still going to be on the road in 2041 201 or is there a lifespan a little
shorter? I I don't think I can answer that. I I don't I don't know. Um, the cruisers, the only thing I can say about that is that police cruisers definitely do
wear quicker, wear off quicker, wear down quicker than other than administrative vehicles. They probably put in a lot more miles than uh than the administrative vehicles. But Alex, that that goes to uh page five
there in um maintenance uh vehicle maintenance section of sort of what is the replacement criteria. Um, I'm sure the town must have some sort of schedule. I'm sure they're not driving the cars into the ground. Uh, I'm sure
there's probably some swap out, but maybe we we we should look into that. There has to be because you're talking here about things, you know, it leaking on, you know, uh, is the vehicle leaking and does it have other problems? So,
I think maybe digging in a little bit more. What when do the uh when does the town or how does the town make a decision to either end the lease or to uh trade it in for you know something new?
And does this are all the vehicles in in this portfolio owned by the town or do >> I actually don't know. >> I recall um when we first discussed this with
um the the Nick Car was still the assistant administrator and was looking into this. Um I remember he had had some preliminary discussions uh with I think I there's a maintenance
facility at the DPW yard. >> Um they had had some preliminary discussions with uh the staff >> of that facility about what training or equipment they would need um for this transition. Do you know if those
conversations progressed? Yes, I I think some uh I think the facilities man the fleet manager has already taken trainings on EV units. Uh but I'm not certain that he he
definitely is aware of them and I'm I afford I've afforded him training opportunities. Mhm. Do you know?
Well, no. It's not a full motion. >> Any any additional uh discussion from the committee? >> Alex, was this supposed to be just for what the town buys? At some point we had a conversation about contracts that we
have for like the bus company and you know to you know encourage them to have um or you know or other types of u uh facility to uh to have a a similar type
of a policy or to uh at least be sensitive towards uh lower lowcarbon vehicles. >> Right. So, does this would this policy apply to school buses given that the
town doesn't its schools is the contract with a transportation company? >> Uh, school buses are exempt because they are heavy duty vehicles.
However, the there's this sentence here um exempt vehicles should prioritize vehicle procurement as outlined in this policy. So the word here is should not must.
So it's still a consideration according to this policy. Um how practically it will be I'm not sure whenever a grant opportunity comes up for electrified school vehicle bus school
buses that's something we should think about. >> Pure the buses through a contractor. >> Oh I my apologies. I did find a sentence here where the town contracts vehicle
services. The town will allow for consideration of contracts and seek out companies that offer the use of electric and or fuel efficient vehicles. >> Yeah. >> Especially for school bus. >> So I think that sounds like the town
would have flexibility. >> Yeah. >> If it's if it's enormously expensive compared to status quo, >> right? It only says should, but it will make sure that the town sitters. >> Y
>> um in the next and I think I think the town had just completed a new contract for school buses when we first public recommend consider electric. So, and that was a three-year contract. So, that's probably two more years on that
before that comes up again, which means we should really be talking about it a year from um it'll be back on the agenda. And it' be good that we we have a school committee member on the C next year. So,
it would I think be helpful. um to to this um policies, you know, chances of adoption for for the um for this committee to provide a vote of support.
Um what do people need to uh hear? How how would we need to word that support for people to feel uh comfortable providing that endorsement? If not, then like what what else do you
need um to know to get comfortable? Well, one thought I've seen exercised in the past, Alex, is um to provide support in principle.
>> It signals a direction without it being a mandate. Yeah, I think um our charge the way I think about it is our charge is to advise the select board on strategies and actions necessary to
achieve net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. Uh I think decarbonizing the municiple is clearly necessary. U and so our advisory capacity it's
you already have recommended the town adopt a policy such as this in the climate action and I think it's clearly along with our recommendations I would I would vote endorse it in that sense if I were a select board member um
I would want a little more you know with a fiduciary duty I'd want a little more you know there there's time to to a that evidence, they'll ask for it um next week. But I think that for me that wouldn't
stop me from going to recommend as a necessary step to achieve net zero. Does that make sense? >> The zero mission first treatment policy um the core of it comes from the department of energy resources. the town
need adjusted it and uh we so the town administrator and uh and I we and uh I also circulated it among the climate action family. So
Steve and Alex took a look at it. Yeah. I was wondering if you tweet without too much extra word based on the comments that you made tonight. >> I think so. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think more than I don't have specific language in the policy that I um am eager to see change. I think it's more like anticipating like questions and having much information ready for them as as
practical. Um >> um I know the the vehicle has been kind of delegated to departments in the past. So it's there's not like one person you can go to and
say you're listed a vehicle tomorrow. How much more or less would it cost? Um, >> yeah, >> there is a fleet manager. >> There is. >> Yeah, Charles Culligan. >> Okay. What's his opinion of this?
>> He's um he he likes electric vehicles, but he also sees for charging infrastructure and uh >> Yeah. >> So, is he a fleet manager for DPU or the whole town?
>> For the whole town. I hope I hope I'm not mistaken on that, but that's understood. >> I didn't realize that role existed, but I imagine people will be very interested to know what his perspective is and if
it's favorable or not. Um, okay. Uh, in the interest of time, should we make a motion to uh endorse this policy
uh adoption by the select board in some you make that motion? Um, do you wanna you wanna offer wording for it for the record? The wording matter that I don't want to be the one to it.
>> Uh, make a motion for the uh uh of of support for the um uh for the zero first uh vehicle uh policy.
uh adoption by the select board. I don't think we're at a point where we want to be word smithing this at right now. >> Fair enough. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Matt seconds.
>> All right. Uh any any discussion before we vote? Okay. Um, >> yes. >> Arthur. >> Yes. >> Ron.
>> Yes. >> Steve. >> Yes. >> Kim. Yes. >> And I vote yes, Alex. All right. Thanks everyone.
>> Thanks for good discussion. Um, so I think moving on to the next topic. I think we we skipped over the high school building assessment findings. Did you have anything you wanted to add for that? So, um I think
this is worth briefly mentioning just because it was it is an indepth study of the town's largest energy consumer and I just want to give you an idea of the questions of the high school. Uh this
in-depth study identified a set of measures for electrification which are bigger investments ching out the gas heating systems um and and replace them with ground heat
pumps or other types of heat pumps. Those are the bigger the more expensive electrification measures that are longer term. They also made a number of quick fixes suggest suggestions like recalibrating
the settings of the heating schedules and um the savings up to about $40,000 $30,000 annually which um the facilities department has been
able to implement by itself for the most part. So this was very helpful report in identifying um other fixes. What what out was that COVID air ventilation preferences from school staff
had still been in place. So much of the equipment was running almost 24/7 um or at least more than it's that should have been running and $40,000
comes up to about 2 and a half% of the town's total annual costs. suggest some of the high school resets schedules on on the high school could mean 2% energy
savings down the line. Um, yeah, because the town in 20 in FY, so in fiscal year 2025, the town spent $1,900,000 on energy costs and um $40,000 is about
half%. And I just wanted a quick aside that at town meeting last week uh the um net meeting credit contract approved >> which will allow the town to basically
achieve a 15% discount on electricity costs >> of 80% of its load. >> Yeah. >> So that's a real material reduction in cost electricity for the town. >> Yeah. through a some clever
um deal making. Anything more you wanted to say about that? Well, that that document is available in our um material Milton High School. So, that's available in our shared drive if you want to refer
to that. >> Yep. >> In the future. What what it also found the CBA report is that transitioning towards ground source heat pumps would cost $50 million, air source, air to water source heat pumps
like $25 million or $20 million. So these are very very big investments. Um >> what what does replacing the existing equipment with the exact same thing or modern equivalent? Yeah, those numbers
weren't provided and I haven't looked into that. >> Yes. So, it's hard to start. I I would just um I wouldn't want to people to sort of lead with 25 or 50 million as if spending zero was an option,
>> right? >> Um although I if I had to bet the farm on it, I would guess that ground source heat pumps cost more than a like forlike replacement. just be hard. >> Uh Kai, um isn't that $50 million for
ground source heat pumps uh without any of the available federal and and state credits? >> Correct. Yep. Yeah. If um the federal tax credits could reduce that by 30%.
Um yeah, 15 million. And I think I think the state could produce it by another 10% or so. Plus, if you if you got um domestic content, that's another 10%. So, there's
real potential there. >> Yeah. So, I think there's a danger sort of with that $50 million uh shocker hang in the air with no context that people might just say, "Oh, we don't need to think about that." Y >> um and that's not necessarily the the
mindset we want when that comes up first discussion, but they they're not cheap. That's true. So, we discussed the climate leader community's application status and June 30th deadline as part of
your update. That's agenda topic seven. Um I want to leave a a little time for um topic eight which is the stakeholder education and networking meetings and working group updates because one of those happened yesterday
>> right a little difficulty getting in >> um want me to say something about it. >> Yes, please. >> I'm sorry the the video keeps turning itself off. I'm not doing that.
Uh so the conservation network group met yesterday with representatives from the blue hills building conservation commission river uh valley association
and shade tree advisory committee and um we developed a draft a mission statement that I eventually will go up onto the climate action planning committee website.
Um the focus of it is to these groups and others will come together periodically address common problems and advocate for solutions that help
conserve land and mitigate the impact of climate change on the town. And um the network will provide a forum for members to share information and
disseminated to town decision makers and everyday citizens. And um it will try to work together to provide support for targeted projects
that we think are priorities. And we identified three or four of those. One is a research study to try to identify tree species that um
will help mitigate the impact of climate change in the blue hills that's being conducted by um friends of the blue hills. The second one is a project to look at how to mitigate the impact of
storm water and surface water in the Neon River Valley on a flooding private properties. in the third project and that's going to be carried out by um the river valley
association and the conservation commission which already started working on this. And the third project is a project to to try to increase and sustain the commitment of
town to support a rapidly diminishing stock of shade trees throughout the town. and also to um to install
uh new shade trees since um the the importance of adding shade trees as many as possible is the key to both dealing with excessive heat as we've had
for the past couple of days and also again for mitigating adapting to climate change. So, we're going to put together in addition to the mission plan
an updated action plan that focuses on these three projects and that um tries to put together a very rough global budget
for doing them and seeks to um explore the interest in various local, state, possibly regional philanthropic organizations
in supporting our work and um the articulation of these projects as well as the mission statement I'm hoping can go up as a replacement for what's
currently on a website in terms of conservation. I apologize for my quote >> which that's where we're at. So um so I'm hoping that the other three groups
uh waste management, transportation and buildings and have similar meetings to flesh out their scope of work and um and
update the climate action plan committee's website and overall framework. and concretize what we're trying to do as a community. This is very in the weeds, but
I have u I felt some blockage just from like a a technology process perspective on keeping the website up to date because none none of us on the committee have direct access to make edits and sending an email to a
person on staff saying like I'd like you to remove a period in the third sentence of paragraph two, you know, is not not an efficient way to get things done. I I came up with a better way of doing it. This week I um I had um
uh I I copied the the content of the website into a Google doc and made the edits there with change tracking and then sent that um to Cassandra Calro and the the environmental coordinator and
she was happy to make those changes. So, I think we can use that process. We >> we have a page that um we'd like to have updated, tell me which page I can set up a Google doc for you and if you make the edits with change tracking, I can help
um coordinate that update with this. >> Thank you so much for being here, Kai. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, K. Um so before anybody else leaves um since we are getting close to time I don't want to cut this short and I know there
might be other updates but the um the other sort of important um necessary I'd say agenda item is the capsy membership and reappointment discussion. Uh so we're just getting to that time of year where um our term our one-year terms
will be ending the end of June. So our our terms run from July 1st to June 30th. Um and I need to know uh who intends to serve another term, who wants to serve another term uh and who does not uh so
that I can coordinate with the various pointing bodies to make sure that we have um a well stock committee uh for July. So we don't have to dive into that, but let's discuss that before people
disappear. Did you have more you wanted to say about the meeting yesterday? >> Um, no. I'm just hoping that uh as we discussed last month that the other three
subcommittees and have a similar meeting over the next year to delve into the work that they're doing or wanted I think Arthur was planning
to have a meeting of the waste management group. Is that right? >> That's what I was going to say. >> Um, so we did have a waste management meeting um on uh May 11th, but Arthur couldn't attend because uh town meeting
went over and was happening on that day. So, um I met with Lauren from Sustainable Milton and Cassandra the environmental coordinator and um we discussed a few things. Um the uh Cassandra continues to expand
like the compost drop off for so it's sort of a free town service. Uh, so there's now three different places where towns people who aren't subscribed to Black Earth can um can compost, which is Town Hall, DPW, and there's a parking
lot in East Milton. I'm not really sure what that is. >> Where's the town hall been? >> Uh, it I wrote down behind town hall. >> I have to look for it when I leave. >> Yeah, I've been meaning to check it out,
but I haven't yet. Um we also have been discussing uh you know the results of like the recycling audit um where our contamination levels keep
increasing and um the real big bad on that is plastic bags. So um that's kind of like the big message that they want to get that we want to get across to everyone. And so Cassandra is putting together a leaflet that's going to go in
the um trash bill that all the residents are going to get next like I think in like June or July. And uh so we talked about that. Um it's going to have on one side basically like no bags, you know, just to be like real blunt about it. And
then um on the other side it has more information and like a QR code about the composting. Um, let's see. What else did we discuss? Oh, and then Lauren and uh Cassandra are going to collaborate on speaking to the
school superintendent about getting composting into the schools. Um, which has been, you know, Lauren has tried that a bunch of times. We have a newish superintendent. Um, I guess that going down like at some
point is going to be mandatory. So, Cassandra wanted to um be involved just to kind of make it clear that this was, you know, going to have to happen one way or the other eventually. >> Do you know when eventually is what
what's the timeline for that? >> I don't know. I'll I'll find that out and um report next meeting. And uh I we just sort of discussed what other towns are doing. For example, there was
like a video um the Canton sustainability um team was trying to bring their contamination rates down. Um and um they were, you know, so we talked about what other towns are doing to bring down
their contamination rates so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. But it's hard to get the message out to people. Um >> yeah, I can share that. Um this I'm on the sustainable Milton board and we we
did some goal setting around the composting programs that uh when it comes to getting composting into the schools. uh they want to prioritize um composting in the kitchens, not the
whole school, but in the kitchens of Pierce and Milton High School as a a starting focus. Um >> Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And I think that takes into account, you know, the relationship building they've done with the town
uh how supportive the um uh choral staff is in a in a particular building. So those would be impactful places to start. So just wonder if you could take that information
and translate it into like a one plan action like you've identified your your areas of concern re composting deal with the recycling and one or two
others. But if you can take those and just kind of put put a action plan design framework around them. I can set you the model
that we're working on for the conservation committee and maybe that would inspire you to do things similarly. But um I'm hoping that for each of these four areas that we map out where we're
going over the next year or two. >> Yeah, we have we have things like that that I'm pretty sure we could pull together that Yeah, we've already set some goals. Yeah, I mean we released the draft climate action plan in June 25.
Uh I think our terms wrap up. Um a pass to update it with you know our are changing uh since since last year would probably be uh be help otherwise
if anybody leaves the committee and doesn't doesn't tell me or doesn't update the document no one's going to remember. So, um, so, um, I have a couple new and worthy, um,
things I've I've had interesting discussions about since last, um, last we met, but in the interest of time, um, let's first have a quick discussion on, um, the reappoint process.
Um, I don't need everybody to tell me right now in public whether you uh would like to be reappointed for next year. But if you know that you don't
want to um feel free Jav and um I I would ask you all let me know your intentions um soon as you can. I've already started uh um sort of reaching it trying to recruit
um people to fill at least our vacancies. Um and the the ones that we currently have and that I know will be opening up. Um so right anybody want to say anything to
this or we can have discussion line as well. Just needs to begin now. Alex, I'm sorry. >> Have a sense of what our priorities are going to be for the next year. I think I could tell you what mine would
be and I we we bring our personal priority to the work of the committee and certainly had an opportunity to share them in this year than becoming a climate leader community. It
has been really the organizing drive and if all goes well um we may get that application in right before the end of a term and and go into the next one but we would be climate leader community
in the next term. But it's possible that uh we can't get approval of the vehicle policy uh on a short time. The next opportunity to apply for climate leader
certification is December 31st. So uh possibly half the next term could u have some focus on on that. Um we've applied for uh an EA P grant for consult support to
uh do robust public engagement um as well as partner engagement uh with town staff and fi and finalize the climation fund. I mean it's in direct form I think uh
with consulting support. we would take through an approval process with the select and or town meeting. Um those could be focuses just from an administrative level. Um,
I personally continue want to get to a place where uh the the town and community organizations like sustainable miling electrific coaching services to and that's an update on related to that.
>> Let's go to you. >> Arthur, you were gonna say something. No, I I it was broken up. Uh I I didn't click everyone, but I wanted to um ask about your intention and uh at least my hope that you'd be continuing and
certainly uh uh not only as a member, but also as chair. >> Uh I I plan to stick around. Yes. >> All right. I'll >> open somebody.
>> I'll stick around. >> I'll stick around as well if you want me. >> Nice to hear that. Arthur. Okay. I won't I won't for additional on this. Um
let me share my new and noteworthy. Uh I attended the um Energize uh community climate leaders conference in April. Um and
uh connected with two two groups that um are doing interesting things in the realm of um residential electrification support for residences. Um mass giant a nonprofit uh that
supports municipal level climate action uh community based organizations and committees like ours that you know there there are analoges of us uh in in every town Massachusetts and their mission is to um
uh create community practice and provide resources that make make people like us more successful and effective. Um so they they have done for the last three years a program called plug metro west uh which is sort
of regionally focused on a number of communities um in the sort of Lexington conquered wayand area up west of Boston. Um uh and it is a
sort of an outreach campaign where they provide uh social media uh content. They provide um monthly webinars uh on electrification topics like solar panels, heat pumps, uh you
know making use of Matt wave services um and you know depending on level of community engagement. They also um they partner with the heat alliance which is a nonprofit that trains volunteer um heat
coaches. So when I when I replaced my oil boiler in my home heat we heat pumps. I worked with a a coach from the heat smart alliance who helped me evaluate um contractor proposals um helped me
understand what goes into a high quality um design that's appropriate for your home and to avoid common pitfalls. Um so it's not necessary but it's possible um
that a participant in a plug-in program uh you get access to sort of regional pool of volunteer heat pump coaches. Uh ideally we could recruit some ourselves. This would be something we do through sustainable.
So anyway, they are launching um a a new cohort kind of in the middle talking to multiple communities down here um in our MAPC zone. Uh and it's it's definitely
an option for to participate. Um the question has been you know how small can we get the the town back because um Kai has uh only two days a week in Milton. So
what is that 40 hours a month uh he spends with Milton and so even like I think they originally had four to six hours a month is far too much for him to commit to. Uh but it sounds like it'd be less than that maybe a month at most an
hour a month. It's kind of limited to reviewing content and helping to distribute it through existing newsletter and social media channels. But anyway, it would be uh free provide sustain it would be um
mostly sustainable but something I'm actively uh considering. I just don't know how much time I have I would like to participate in. Oh, and the other thing was um um
there's a a company that I think Mass Energize is considering partnering with in this PL program called Parowatt, which has a really interesting um
business model. They basically um analyzed the the um the cost profile of uh a large number of kind of representative residential solar projects in Massachusetts or in New
England, can't remember exactly where, and found that um 25% of typical project costs are these soft costs of um sales and design where you
When a solar company um sends somebody to your house to pitch you a project, uh they have to do that five, six, seven times before they actually get a contract signed. And the way they manage um that risk is often by having those
people work on under the hood uh the solar company says do the project for X and any you can get out of the customer above X is yours to keep the commission. Right? So there's this they're they're kind of distorted
incentives that drive up the the soft cost of installations. Uh they're um proposal. They've developed software. They can do a lot of that design work um
remly uh with just information that you provide um through their website and uh they cut out that kind of high pressure sales um experience and get let you get straight a quote that you could take
action on. Um I don't know how real that is. Uh but it's a really exciting aspect because any anything they bring on the cost of these projects um it's going to be really important for adoption to um so that's something that
I've been talking to terad about to see if smallcale pilot in Milton could make sense. Uh that's what's got me excited this many data
the demand for heat pumps or solar panels and prevalence of heat pumps or solar panels. uh disappointing data
there. There is a um decarbonization um portal that Mass Energize is partnered with Bentley University professors develop that has more data was available
previously. I I haven't had chance to really review what the data are and are they like up to date. Do do they cover everything? So I don't know.
I don't say you know if you're not been getting a read then that be saves data >> but >> we need we need more visibility. to go over really >> I could tell you how many there are in town. That's
concerning. >> So who could mass save you or is there anybody who could? >> It's a proud to find out that's why I don't know. >> I see. >> Yeah. But there there is this I can share the the the data point I just
mentioned with you. >> I'll share it with the whole committee actually just because I shouldn't be the neck here. I haven't had a chance to look at it, but that is resource I found out about. I >> mean, it seems like there will be some
core data points even on the client action planning website that demonstrates portrays the uh the use of these
technologies. So I I I know Matt has been interested in that data and tracking problem for a long time. Worked with them during the PMIC on initial attempt to gather together available
data. Um and the problem was it was rarely updated and incomplete. Uh they seem to have done another round of it that looks a lot better. said, "I just don't know what its strengths and weaknesses are."
Uh, but that's a reason why an organization like Mass Energizes potentially be valuable beyond, you know, the the specific thing in their program. And it's just connecting with group that is sort of
um dealing with that same challenge as we are, right? All right. Uh it's it's 20 minutes past normal ending time. Um I apologize for that. There any other um
comments anybody wants to raise before we adjourn evening? All right. Well, I want to thank you all for uh for your time tonight and for your great questions. And I'll entertain a motion
to adjurnn. >> I move that we adjourn. >> Ron is to adjourn. There second favor. Uh, looks unanimous to me. All right. Good night everybody. Thank you again. >> Thank you. >> Good night.
>> Happy holiday everyone.