--------- Good evening everyone and welcome to the Tuesday, April 14th, 2026 meeting of the Milton Select Board. Please rise if you are able and join me in saying the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it
stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. >> Uh next up on our uh agenda is public comment. Uh, by rule, the select board allows 21 minutes for public comment.
Uh, limiting each speaker to three minutes. Uh, I will give a a signal if you when you hit the 230 mark. If you get that far. Um, do we have anyone signed in? Mr. Fundling. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. I'm Jay Funing. I live at
39 Sci Lane and I'm the chair of the warrant committee and I'm here tonight on behalf of myself and on behalf of the warrant committee to thank Benzel and Richard Wells for your services to this town and to this committee. Uh I've known Ben since we had two
children in kindergarten together and those two children are now 12th graders. So we've been through a lot. Uh I'm impressed by what you two have contributed and I think of the spread of public service that I'm looking at here. We've got a multi-deade,
multi-generational public servant to the town of Milton and we've got a person who moved here from Ohio that I think I think that represents the town. We've got people in this town who've been here for generations and people who are new and we all come together and work together and I've seen watched both of
you in your public service and what you've done for the community and been very impressed and thankful for both of you. So, I wish you both the best. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Clay. It's greatly appreciated. >> A lot of time, but a lot of time to go then. >> You can keep We've got another two minutes. >> We keep saying nice things about you.
>> It's all right. It's all right. >> Uh, anyone else in for public comment? Uh, just check line. I don't see any hands. Okay. Uh, next up on our, uh, agenda is our departmental report with Michael White, building commissioner.
>> How you doing? >> Good evening. Thanks for having me in. >> Absolutely. Um, so the way that the select board's been doing this, we've been asking different departmental heads to come in, talk about their work a little bit, um, what's going well, what might need improvement, um, give us kind
of an overview and, um, have a little question and answer at the end. So, I'll turn the floor over to you, sir. >> All right. I kind of broke this down into a few different sections more for you guys and the residents of the community that may not have a good handle on exactly what we do in the
department. So basically an overview the instructional services department which we call ISD for short uh helps keep Milton safe and well uh well ma maintained community. The department
works to ensure that homes, businesses, and properties meet state safety codes and local zoning requirements uh so that buildings are safe for use and neighborhoods remain healthy and attractive. ISD issues permits, conducts
inspections in response to questions or concerns related to building construction, renovations, electrical, plumbing, gas work, and property conditions. The department also oversees the weights and
measures program to ensure fairness and accuracy in the sale of goods. staff works closely with residents, contractors, and business owners to explain the requirements and guide them through
the permitting process and help resolve issues in a fair and professional manner. The organ organizational and structure and staffing, the departments led by myself as the building commissioner and the zoning
enforcement officer. Uh Barry Wringler is our one full-time local inspector. Jay Bouio and Walter White are our two part-time 16-hour a week local inspectors.
And Walter just recently retired a few weeks ago, so we don't have him anymore. Um Dominic Franchelli is our part-time 25hour a week electrical inspector.
Mark Kelly is one of two part-time plumbing and gas inspectors. Mark works 25 hours a week. Eric Pillsmaker is the second part-time plumbing and gas inspector and he works 10 hours a week. Both Mark and Eric Shia
the sealer of weights and measures duties. Um our Killian Berdofi is our code enforcement and complaint officer. Kina Goodidge is our senior administrative clerk. Bill Donnelly is
our administrative clerk. Given the highly regulated nature of the work, staff are required to maintain extensive certifications, continuing education and lensure under Massachusetts law.
Our core responsibilities first would be permit management. We review and issue permits for residential and commercial projects involving structural work, electrical systems, plumbing, gas, mechanical, fire alarm,
and sprinkler systems. Plan review. We evaluate the architectural and site plans before construction begins to ensure they meet the technical standards of structural integrity, fire protection, energy efficiency, and
accessibility under the handicap accessibility codes. on-site inspections. We conduct field inspection at critical stages of construction such as foundation, framing, insulation, and final
completion to verify that the work matches the approved plans and adheres to the safety codes and the town zoning code and code and zoning enforcement interpreting and enforcing the town of
Milton's zoning bylaws. examples, building heights, the property setbacks, and the use regulations that are allowed by our zoning. Sighting violations or issuing stop work orders when construction is non-compliant.
Some of these violations can consume not hours, days, or weeks, but months of our time, which we've got a couple that are going on, unfortunately, that are chewing up some serious time.
uh issuing certificates of occupancy. So at the end of a project, we perform a final inspection and issue the official document that certifies that a building is safe to be legally inhabited. This typically entails for a residential
home checking all the egresses, the smokes and CO, heat detectors, make sure all the stairways meet the code and have the proper guards and handrails and final energy compliance and zoning compliance for setbacks.
Uh public education and records. We provide technical guidance to homeowners, contractors, and architects regarding code requirements and zoning requirements. We also maintain a public record of the
permits and inspections. Some specialized functions we perform uh annual safety inspection. So that's a periodic safety check. Usually we try to
do like the schools a month or so before the schools open. So if there's any deficiencies, they have time to correct it before school opens. But we do the periodic safety checks on existing public buildings,
schools, hospitals, places of assembly like churches, theaters, and restaurants. These inspections involve checking egresses, fire alarm systems, sprinkler system, kitchen hoods, fire
extinguishers, exit sign, emergency lighting, and non-per permitted flammable materials that may be there. Uh, I take my position in the permit review and this inspection process very
seriously. Uh early in my career, the Rhode Island Station nightclub fire happened and that like drove home how serious this job was. Uh that fire killed a hundred people and
severely injured 300 more. And in the end, I believe it boiled down to a failed inspection by the building official and fire official on one of these periodic inspections.
Um, so every permit I review, I just think of that and make sure I don't make a mistake because and I think about if I screw this up, what is the end? What could happen to somebody? And I just hope that I never make that
same mistake. Um, emergency response. So we respond to fires or buildings into structures or natural disasters to assess the structural damage to buildings.
Weights and measures. As I said earlier, both of our plumbing and gas inspectors share the weights and measures duties. They inspected commercial scale scanners, gas pumps, and various other measuring devices to ensure market equity for
consumers. So that's actually goes into a lot of things that you may not realize. Scales like propane tank weighing at your local pharmacy if they're weighing pills or medication, any measurement of liquid, solids, mulch
at your local landscaping yards. So if someone doesn't think they got a cubic yard, they would go investigate it and measure the yard. Uh operational highlights the department processes a steady volume of permit applications
and inspections annually reflecting the ongoing residential reinvestment and commercial activity throughout Milton this fiscal year. We've been inundated with projects. I was just going to give a quick summary
of what's going on. So, some of the larger projects for Franklin Street, the 40B, 92 units of apartments, 440 Granite A, another 40B consisting of 4,000 square ft of
commercial space on the first floor and 24 units on the upper levels. 40 Access Road is another 40B project with 40 apartments. 600 Canton A Winter Valley is
constructing 36 apartments. 582 Blue Hill ABS another 40B with 84 units divided amongst two buildings. 936 Brush Hill Road 40B another 20 units.
701/703 a formerly 711 Randolph A's 90 units split between two builder two buildings 107 to 111 Highland Street a memory care that's they're getting ready to file
those permits for that project pretty soon 432 Adams Street which I think we got to change the address on that uh the new East Milton Fire Station 2, 675 Blue Hill A is a twostory daycare center
going up. Milton Hospital just had extensive modular units added on to create a expanded emergency room wing and they're doing multifphased renovations inside the hospital. That's all ongoing at the same time.
Some of the smaller things that are going on, we currently have 21 new single family homes under construction at various phases. 120 additions that also have substantial interior renovation to the existing
structure happening. Then there are 48 projects that are just strictly additions with no renovation to the interior. currently in Q228U units and we probably had about another 22
inquiries today. We've had a a lot of ramped up interest in that with a lot of people coming in trying to find out what the requirements are and what they have to do or can do. Uh annually around 80 certificates of
inspection. So those would be th the periodic inspections when the schools, the restaurants, places and daycarees, churches, places of assembly. Then all the other smaller building
permits, electrical, plumbing, gas, and mechanical combined is about 2,310. Those all the other smaller projects Other area of our operational highlights, we
have strong coordination with the uh fire department, which I'd like to say since my arrival in Milton, the relationship between fire department and inspectional services. It's been better than I hoped for. and Chief Madden,
Deputy Chief Steve King, and Fire Prevention Officer Steve Mataniano have been fantastic to work with. We also work very closely with the planning department, DPW, Engineering, Border Health,
Conservation, and Police Department on complex or multi-disiplinary matters. The department has continued to pro provide consistent enforcement while accommodating evolving state codes and
zoning regulations and emergency directives when applicable. The like to say the team at KP Law has been an invaluable support to myself and my staff especially on the more serious enforcement
issues that require legal intervention. and they have been also fantastic to thank to work with. Some of the challenges and constraints we face some ongoing challenges. I think
the biggest one is increased regulatory complexity, the frequent updates to the state building code, not just the state building code, plumbing gas, mechanical, the fire code, the energy code in our own zoning bylaws. We've had a lot of
recent uh new additions to it that we have to work through and the ADU's actually been one of the more difficult. A lot of times the state will just hey this is the idea give you the game but not the rules and then we have to figure
it out. So, we've been working a lot with KP Law on the legal end on some of the different crazier scenarios. I call it non-conforming issues and just other issues that aren't common and the the codes
everybody's just changing on a different cycle. So, just when you fully understand it, they change it again. And now we have to educate ourself, educate the contractors, the homeowners, everybody. And it just keeps going round
and round. So it's difficult. It would be nice if the code maybe we we changed and most of them change every three years. So like the day that my new code issue, they started working on the next one to get it released.
Um the current zoning bylaws I think we could use some work updating them. There's some areas that there's some conflict and maybe out of data ill irrelevant sections
and I thought it would be great to try to introduce some use tables and maybe land space and density tables that could make it someone could look at it and within five seconds know if the use have the you all the allowed uses in all the
zoning districts and see if it's allowed not allowed. out allowed by special permit through the zoning board, special permit by the planning board. Right now, we got to walk through a page and section after section looking, but that
would like be something that would make things a lot easier for everyone to be able to within seconds know what you can and can't do. uh staffing and workload crushes the inspectional services staffing levels.
We must we have to balance the permit volume inspection turnaround times and enforcement obligations within an available budget resource. And since I've been here, we've been struggling. I don't know what happened
in the past and I don't know the workload. But I can obviously see there's more than a plate full of 40 bees. That's enough to keep forget everything else that that's overwhelming standing alone. Um
where I say so it's struggling to keep up with that up and we're struggling prior to Walter White's retirement. So his departures increased the struggles and we're also temporarily covering the
duties of our full-time code enforcement officer. So we kind of got a guy and a half trying to make up another guy and a half workload. Customer expectations. The residents and contractors are increasingly
expecting faster processing times while code review requirements continue to expand. So that's problematic like the the new energy requirements and the specialized energy code just all that
stuff adds extra layers. Most of it unfortunately is on their time if they apply and don't realize they need a hers rate or the specialized energy code and then that can take a lot of time for the energy consultant to model the usually
it's a new home whereas substantial renovation to figure out how to get the project to comply. The other things the aging housing stock older buildings pre present unique safety accessibility and code compliance
challenges requiring experienced inspection oversight. So those become more difficult to process and through the zoning we have a lot of nonconform legal nonconforming properties that end up
having to go to the zoning board for relief for their nonconformity. So that really throws a wrench into the process when that happens, but there's no way around that. Some of the goals and strategic priorities. Looking ahead, the
inspectional services department will focus on the following priorities. Continued improvement of our customer service and permit transparency. We've been making working on making a
lot of changes to the online permitting system for the applicant and for us inhouse. So almost daily either our department or another department well like let's just say recently the
ADUs the first step in the process is it needs to have a new home house number created. So Allan Bishop in engineering's in charge of setting that number. So he's like, "Well, how are you going to communicate to me that we need the
number? We're not going to be emailing back and forth." I'm like, "I think what I'm going to do is have permodize create a button." And it isn't just for ADUs, any new home or new commercial building that doesn't have a street address.
It'll just be a new street address request button. I'll hit that and it'll send it to the town engineer and you and now you'll know that there's a request to come look at that permit and take action, figure out what you have to do,
and then they'll kick back the number. uh ongoing staff training and certification to stay current with the state and national code changes as the local building commissioner and the local inspectors as as well as the
plumbing, gas, and electrical. They we all have to maintain a certain amount of hours per year. And if we don't maintain that, our certifications are taken away. And then actually you just get a letter from the state saying Michael's C
credits aren't good. You got to relieve him of his duties. I can't stand this in the position without those uh continuing education credits. I'd also want to work on something I think that would be beneficial is to get
the two administrative clerks trained as what's called a permit technician, which is this certification through the international code council who basically writes and publishes all the codes. But
that would hone in their skills to not become a local inspector, but to get close on certified on understanding the zone and more and exactly what paperwork and documentation we would need. right
now they just answer what they know but this they would know as much as we know on what's required through documentation and the whole process if they have to go somewhere and I think that would really be helpful. So I'm looking into that.
But I've already reached out to the IC regional coordinator and I want to see if he'll either over Zoom or come in person talk to us and Bill and Kina, they've already said that they'd love to try to do it.
Um, I'd like to continue strengthening our collaboration with other key departments and boards to ensure all team members are aware of what's going on before, during, and after any given project. We have a lot of new faces in
town, including myself, and it takes a lot of time for everyone to get on the same page and figure out the processes uh between the departments. And we have we have and continue to gain ground. I actually think we're doing
really well considering how many new faces in the various positions that some haven't been here that long. But we're really trying to operate as a team and just get the operator as efficiently as
possible so the applicant has a smooth riding trip through the permitting process. uh proactive enforcement to address safety concerns before they become emergencies. So he actually recently I
think it's one of the Baker Chocolate buildings former somebody called with concern. So one of the two connecting buildings has a deck over the river and the deck boards were rotted. I think part of the land might
be in Doorchester. >> So the Doorchester side made them put up big iron gates so no one could access the decks. Ours was wide open to the residents and anyone walking off the street could fall into a two-foot hole.
I'm like, if they ever felt the velocity of that water, they'd be in wherever that river is headed in 10 minutes. So we immediately I'm like found out who's in charge. We need barricades
immediately and like within hours that was resolved. But if that especially with the good weather kids or someone could have went out there and just fell through the rotted huge holes and we just took care of that. So things
like that, trying to jump on something that's serious immediately before it be does be becomes an emergency. Uh some recent successes I think right when I started I wasn't sure
uh me being in other communities, every community operates different. So, I wasn't sure what if uh liability and workman's comp through my what we had. So, I found out we had both and applied
for one of their grants. They annually have one that you can get up to $10,000. And me not knowing if any other departments applied, I said, I'm not going to go for the whole 10 grand and upset some other department that had planned on utilizing it. So, I just I
went for 2400 and got awarded that and I used it to buy state-of-the-art hard hats with eye protection and hearing protection for all the staff that go out on inspections out on site. So, that was a good thing.
We had some they're usually I think OSHA only recognizes them for like five years then they call them what no matter if you wore it once or a million times they just UV light and whatnot they consider them. So if we
were out there with those and a workman's comp claim happened something may happen because that hard hat was technically out of service. So now we got state of the art which I didn't know till I looked into it that they actually
the hard hats now they look at all the various sports and hockey football and these things got built in to protect your brain from getting dislodged. In the old days it was just if the bricks fell it kept you from getting hurt but
they got all this high tech technology built into them. More recently, I applied for the Massachusetts Community IT Grant and put uh I put in
for the full 200,000 and they awarded me 130,000. So, what I want to do with that is digitize. We still have a bunch of file cabinets. Some are in the office, some are down in the basement off the break room that
there's been some water issues. That's actually what started it. The week I started, something happened with one of the heating units that leaked over the files and ruined some stuff. In that second, I said, "We got to get this stuff digitized." And that got the
wheels in motion. So, I think we're going to do the building department, all of the zoning board of appeals, all the conservation, some of the board of health. Who else was on there?
planning board and I put in the grant because I this will be the third time I've gone through this process. I did it in two other communities. It's very hard to the scanning company to know exactly how much it's going to be.
So, we'll scan either to the 130, which I don't think it's going to be, but I put in the grant. We'll scan what we can. If there's not enough money, we'll deal with the rest later. If we can scan everything and there's enough funds left
over, conservation has been looking for funds to get the perodized conservation module. So, I put that in the grant. If the funds are available at the end, we're going to pursue purchasing that
system for them. And then that I already touched on this, but probably multiple times a week, we're always tweaking the building permit system and just trying to make it
easier. Uh, in conclusion, the inspectional service department remains a cornerstone of public safety and regulatory enforcement in the town of Milton through professional staff, consistent
application of codes, and cooperative engagement with the public and other town entities. The department supports safe development and protects community well-being. The department appreciates the continued support of the select
board, town administrator Nick Milano, all of the town departments, boards and committees that we interact with on a daily basis. We remain committed to high quality service, accountability, and responsiveness to
the needs of the town. That's it. >> Thank you very much. Comments or questions from members? Hawaii. Glad you had the time to come here. It sounds like you don't even have time to do this.
Plus, you brought news that we got a lot of new people into this. So this gentleman back there, the fire department I don't you usually have like the same cop, you know, buildings come in.
>> There are some that are regular customers, but we have a lot that are that aren't. >> No, I know. But when I did my house over 22 years ago, I used a local guy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Everything went so smooth. You know, we went up, gave him the per got the permit, building inspector said, "Go
ahead, start it. I have issues with see." >> Yeah. >> It just went great. You know what I mean? Because they knew the contractor. >> I still have some good contractors that >> make your life easier. >> I actually they're very few and rare and
in our system we can chat and they get the email. I actually commend them and say, "Thank you for being one of the very few people that gave me everything I need to review this permit, send it to payment and issue it." That doesn't
happen. It's weekly. I probably review 300 of just my pending permits and then jump into the unassigned. So, it's it's frustrating. And that's something else. It's just a catch 22. I don't have the
time. I think the chief you mentioned it that you need we internally know but it's not on paper. I need to do the same every permit. This is the minimum requirement as the homeowner and add this if you're the contractor for every
permit and then have that when they apply for the permit that pops up. Maybe 50% will read it and the other 50 don't. But there's 50 that maybe we'll get ahead. >> But I commend you and your group. I
don't know how you feel, but frankly, I read like a month and a half ago. The Armstrong development. They have a company going to come in and do all the inspections for this town. Kind of wish we did that with all these big projects. Have the projects pay for this inspector service >> to make your life easy. I just don't
know why we didn't do that. >> It's a good idea. >> Huh? Did they? So they >> Armstrong that they're going to do 780 units and they had to hire a a professional >> developer professional >> to do what we're supposed to do in the
request. We would literally have to have a site trailer there and just never leave the site. We could literally do that. >> Yeah. Would you have like an overthe-shoulder look for what they outsource that be doing? They're all construction control, but I never hang
my hat on that. We go I some things are small and repetitive. I'm like, we don't need to go look at this detail 92 more times. We're going to spot check it every two or three weeks, the more serious things we're going to look. But
what I've seen in the short time I've been here, some projects, one of them in East Milton Square is the best managed project I've ever seen in my life. Then there's other ones that when I started, I didn't exactly know what projects were
going on. and Jay took me around town and we went to one of them and I was scared to death that this was under construction control and the issues we picked up just going to for me to see what the the project was all about. >> We talked about that one.
>> We talked about that one. >> But I commend you do a lot of work. I didn't realize that. 21 new homes being built. >> Unbelievable. all these big 40 beats >> and the question is just so the other
problem I usually like I barely leave the office there's so many permits I try to re we're mandated on time 30 days to review them and issue them once we get everything we need so that I'm mandated
I'm not going to get fired or in trouble I might with you guys if I don't return a phone call or an email but I concentrate and try to get every single permit that's under uh my purview. I start at the bottom. If they gave me
what I needed, I can move it to payment and okay, it's issue or some of them they don't respond. Can I get an update? Everyone I send them a message ready for payment. We're still missing this. You haven't
responded. So some of them I think in eight or nine months there's probably been 15 that never responded. So I have 30 days. When it gets around 60 days I issue we're going to consider this permit abandoned. You're not producing
what we need to review it. We can't review it. And then the next week if they didn't respond or give it to me, I put it into the cancelled denied. And that I'm legally covering myself and I'm giving them double the legal time.
But I can't keep reviewing 50 permits that they're never going to and keep wasting time looking and chatting and nothing's happening. >> Your group's self-supporting, right? More than self-sport. >> Yeah. And then
>> you know what? More than it costs us to support your staff. >> Oh yeah. So that's another thing that I'm hoping maybe next year. This year everything was short tracked for me because I came in late and all of a su
and everything's new. I didn't know your budget process. So that everywhere I've been has been an issue. So we can never predict. They may say the economy is tanking and then all of a sudden, all right, we got 10 more
100 unit 40Bs coming in and it's July 2nd. Budgets just got issued. So now we're trapped. We don't have the funds to react. So what is um something I was just wondering when when I was listening
um to your presentation is there is there like a industry standard for like a ratio of like workload to FTE in like the I don't know if there's like >> municipal building inspection
Bridgewater and that was maddening me that I could not I went all the way up the chain to the state to the IC. >> Yeah. >> And no one had like a minimum staff and I said there's got to be some kind of
broad matrix to govern this and there isn't. So I think the international code council the northeast uh representative said the only way you can do it I don't know you guys is it
ISO certified there's a certification that police fire and building can get it so they said that was the only path they would come in you got to pay them I think back then it 20 years ago it was 10 grand they shadow every employee in
the department for like a month, >> figure out your deficiencies, give you a report so that would identify >> 10 grand, >> you're in trouble. You you got way too many permits versus people reviewing it. >> Then when you thought which this could take money
>> that you resolve the issues, they would come back, shadow everyone again. >> Yeah. >> And then certify that you're providing the best public ser service for the building department. So I wanted to do it because at the time no Massachusetts
building department had that certification. >> Yeah. >> But like Vegas other department Vegas runs 247 the building department. It never shuts down. >> So I have so I have another industry question. The these types of processes
fascinate me and I'll try not to keep us here all night. Richard's like dying right now but like I'm like just getting going. So >> is uh And I don't want to I don't want to get us on a crazy path here, but just what
I'm listening to and I work in transportation. We do a lot of permitting. We do a lot of reviews. So, do you have any thoughts or does anybody talk about AI in this space like
developing like simple chat bots to like load the zoning code into to like help support the review work like helping the staff get through things more quickly >> and I don't know if we have an AI policy like I'm looking at Nick and at Darren
>> I kind of I'm leerary of it now I think it needs to evolve more We've actually had residents coming in saying, "This is legal. Here it is." And I'm like, "Did you read it? Didn't say anything until the last page. Milton, New Hampshire. That's their regulations."
>> Yes. So, I I re I really think it's great how you're um you're investing in the staff like you're looking to get their their permits, you know, better safety equipment. And I think all that stuff is really important when you kind
of have a small staff, a big workload in terms of keeping them motivated. But it might be some it might be something to think about. Um how how can AI be a tool? Do like do you guys you guys have co-pilot, right? Is it turned on?
>> You might be able to to do something small and >> actually zone and code. It's digital and searchable. So, I actually use that a lot. That'll get me if I'm not exactly sure what section something's in. I can just hit a keyword. >> It'll bring everything up.
>> But one other thing I'd like to Nick and I I think actually I brought I forget his question when he interviewed me and I said the only solution that I can think for that and this is going back to the uh budgetary constraint. So in
Bridgewater we had massive it just out of nowhere huge thousand unit 40Bs coming in multiples and we didn't have the staff to keep up with it and never all the contractors were getting upset which it's kind of a
delicate balance and I think we're unique department because the people that are they're paying us for a service and then when you can't provide it so pretend and you're going down to Sullivan Tire to buy four new tires. You
pay for four tires and they only give you three. How are you going to feel? So, in Bridgewater, it came to that and we just weren't getting any grinds. Like I said, it could happen July 2nd, budget's done. Now, we got to wait for
another budget cycle and pray that we can pitch what we need. Maybe we do. Then next a year later we get the money. Then we got to interview hope to hire. It could be a couple years, three years before you actually got that person that
you needed. So in Bridgewater, the town manager agreed. I actually showed him that's in layman's term one of my uh administrative budget books that I was certified on to be the commissioner. And he read it and he's
like, "This makes sense." And so he created a revolving account. By mass state law, we can't be an enterprise account. That's truly how we should be operating it. The we just totally run off the permit fees. I think Hopkin is
the only community that I know that was doing it. But Bridgewater, the manager said, "We'll start with 25% skimmed off." And he let me get the staff I needed, which I didn't want to. Hey, we got a grand. Work however many hours and
the money's gone. I waited for each position till the whole year's salary was built up, then said go and the fund would continue to grow so I didn't have to lay people off if things slowed down or whatever.
And that was working and he was going to go to 50% if that were go to 75. But that took care of we would be able to react instantly if things were going bad and we needed the help instead of trying
to hire outside people and just well whatever if it could be outside people but have the funds to be able to react and deal with the situation. >> Mr. else. >> So, kind of follow up on this because
a lot of people will come here and they'll say, "We don't have enough. We're not doing anything." And I been following these projects. Tonight's the final night of nine years. Yeah. It's like we've done so many projects in the past nine. Like you you summarized on so many of them.
First one that I did was North Woods and then Common Fathers and then the ICE and 131 Elliott which was a huge that was a multi-year people don't even realize how many products but my point is is there a because I know Walter leaving is a big
void for you. Is there like a company you could go to if you can't find someone to hire that you could bring someone in like one of these companies that subs out? You can just get like a person to fill hours for you just to help keep you from sinking in the work.
>> Yeah. And we do have Walter's position. Actually, it's posted internally and we'll see what comes in for that. We may be able to find like another inspector that may retired and wants to just work a few days a week, which would be good
because they'd be trained and seasoned. a rookie off the streets is going to create even more work for us. There's so many facets to this job to train someone on all avenues of it's going to take years. >> You're not in the breakdown lane here. You're running on the high speed lane
every day. There's no time to like put the training wheels on a bike and say, "Okay, here's how we're going to go." >> So that's why I'm just thinking how you could get someone >> I mean Walter has many years in this field and >> actually fill that void. fortunate that everyone in the department is certified
as commissioners. So that's an even bigger and they've all had commissioner experience because there's a major leap from the local to the commissioner and for them that they were able to help you guys when the previous commissioner
left they got to interm take over the helm. >> We know Mr. Chair. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments from Mr. Dailyy? >> Thank you not only for coming for the work you've been doing uh with all the
growth we've had. I think building department can get lost in that have to execute on a lot of these new developments. What I'm kind of picking up a theme in what you're saying is uh help in the workload and the efficiencies. And so to
member Wells's point, how can we help you while you are doing all this every day, but also thinking ahead, how does this how do we even make this more efficient? You talked about uh the tables also training of your staff. Uh perhaps there are some technological uh
tools that we can use or perhaps products that have been created. Maybe there's not an answer for this meeting, but that's what I would like us to think about is where can we help you to make things a little bit more efficient and lessen that workload while you're doing this at the same time.
>> I think working on a tuneup on the zoning would be huge because there's contradictions. There's like just say for a shed, one page says it's 20 feet, go to the next page, it's 21 feet, and we don't even know which one's right. Or
you'll read literally 15 pages of a use and go to page 16. Oh, if it's in this district, forget everything you just read. But a lot of this a quirky I don't know how it was put together. If there was an
original base code and then his new bylaws got passed, like I know we passed probably 10 or so or close to 10 recently are going to be passed. if they just tagged them on and like didn't >> see if they drived with the existing
sections and then created some conflicts within >> I think we've talked about uh investing in update school. Yeah, I think and Carolyn from um KP can speak to that as well, but we are we did the budget 27
does include money to work with KP to tackle some of those issues. And I know that works already started between Mike and and Liz Manning, the planning director, and we did uh put $50,000 in the building department budget for the next year's budget cycle >> to enable adding of ours kind of where
Mike sees as necessary. So, they're small things, but they're tweaks that we can continue to make in future years. And then as we get through this wave of projects, evaluate what the proper staffing um needs to look like permanently. >> Waves for
>> hopefully waves, but we'll see. >> Well, M taking up a lot of your time, which is, as we know, very, very precious. >> Same here. I think I was supposed to be 10 minutes. I may have went over. >> He'll be calling you at 8:00 tomorrow morning. This is really important work and and
we're glad that you shared everything here. I know that um you know there's definitely I think a few conversations that'll come out from this. So thank you very much. >> And next on our agenda is a report from the office of town council. We've got attorney attorney.
>> I I thought coming into tonight I was very busy, but after hearing Michael >> think I may need a >> You're a slacker. >> Yeah, exactly. >> You hit try and up the owl, right? >> Well, thank you very much for having us. It's a pleasure to be before you
tonight. Appreciate the opportunity. Um, for those of you who haven't met Carolyn Murray, Carolyn is doing a lot of the land use and zoning issues uh for the town and has met with the planning board uh on several occasions. >> Several occasions. Yes. >> And Michael as well.
>> Yes, absolutely. Um it's been a really good trans smooth transition for us. um even smoother than than we expected and you know obviously come into cities and towns before and gotten to know you know the unique attributes of of what makes Milton Milton. Um so you know we're used
to that but it's really gone very well and I you know I I think um Nick and uh a lot of the department heads really making that transition easier. Um, I think right from the the get-go, uh, Nick did a great job of sort of catching
us up on the the pending issues and the issues coming up. So, we were able to hit the ground running. Um, so that was really helpful. And I think very early on I met with almost all the department heads. So, it was helpful too to start to put the names of the faces and
everything. So, that that was um, a real assistance. I think, you know, one of the first issues we faced pretty early on when we took over was we had fall town meeting coming up. So, I think we hopped right into sort of finalizing the warrants and the motions and there
were bylaws to be reviewed and um I think we you know uh the approach you had in place was fairly helpful. you know, we had pretty I want to say early on meetings, but certainly meetings enough advance to town meeting, you know, with members of the Warren
Committee, with members of the select board, uh with Nick, with um several of the, you know, uh involved departments and we were really able to sort of go through the warrant and identify a lot of the issues and then I think separate
meetings between Nick, myself, and the town moderator. You know, you never know exactly what's going to come up at town meeting, but you try to give yourself the best odds possible. And I think we were able to identify and anticipate some issues that were going to come up. And that was we
were able to really kind of put a little bit of a strategy or an outline in place and identifying the issues, you know, quickly at the beginning of the town meeting. So, town meeting would have a pretty good understanding and I think that helped things go uh pretty smoothly. And obviously now we're uh
getting ready for the annual town meeting and I I know Nick has pretty much the same process in place. I think uh Nick, myself and the moderator are meeting on uh on Friday. Um so you know we've obviously reviewed the warrant motions. Um so everything is really
going well from our perspective. Um I think that uh you know our goal uh right from the start has really tried to be very responsive um and to help you and provide the legal services in the way that uh that you want and that helps
the town. It's you know we are not the policy makers. We don't make any decisions. We advise advise all of you on on how you can accomplish what your mission is for the town. Um I think Nick and I have had really good communication. So make sure you know any
questions are responded to in an effective and efficient manner. Um as far as the uh majority of some of the uh the town council work beyond you know town meetings and the everyday general
issues. I think you know looking at the bills um a lot of your issues have been as as Mike just went through some of them enforcement matters. We did have some active litigation with enforcement, but you know, there's been board of health enforcement, zoning, building. Uh
we've definitely had some work with general contract review, procurement. Um especially early on, there were some major real estate trust issues we were reviewing. Um as with any town, open meeting law, public records, conflict of interest, uh law issues have come up,
you know, community preservation and and you know, municipal finance issues. Um, and of course, and I'll let Carolyn speak to that, you know, zoning and land use is pretty big, especially with some pretty, you know, big potential zoning
bylaw changes have been significant amount of work. But I I really I'm happy to answer questions after Carolyn uh gives us a small summary of the zoning land use, but I really thank everyone and um congratulations to our two outgoing board members. I'm glad we got
to overlap even if it was only for a short period of time. But thank you uh for, you know, allowing us to make us such a smooth transition into built. >> So, um Carolyn Murray and I'm very happy to meet all of you. I haven't had the the pleasure to meet any of you before.
I've spent a lot of time with your planning board and with your building commissioner over the last several months. Um I'll apologize. I'm still getting over a cold, so I'm still dealing with a cough. But, um, I I do think, um, Michael gave
a great presentation in the sense that he covered all of the things that I was going to cover in terms of things that that we've been working on. I mean, it we can't say enough adus ADUs, ADUs. Um, I think every community in the
Commonwealth when they got their letters back from the attorney general's office, um, approving or partially approving their ADU bylaws, they were all at least 10 pages long, if not longer. And they felt the need to reiterate all
of the goals and purposes of the law and remind everybody and counsel them that how they have to interpret things a certain way. And um sometimes I think I long for the days of you know not that long ago where you used to get like a oneline letter from the AG's office
saying you know article 13 has been approved. It just made things simpler because now you get a lot of questions and I've spent a fair amount of time um working with both Michael and your planning director Liz Manning as they try to work through some of that or or
some of the nuances of well when the AG said this what did they really mean and what does that mean to us? Um, and of course I think they've uh, if you've got 21 new ADUs coming in, I guess the AG would call that a successful ADU um,
program since that was part of what it was designed to do. So, one of the other things that um, you approved at your last town meeting um, was some changes to your site plan approval bylaw as well. So, I think one of the first projects I worked on with your planning
director was updating the site plan approval regulations so that everything was consistent and that procedurally it it flowed and complied with state law. And so, I happened to be the planning board meeting to discuss ADUs and
discuss site plan review. And uh the chair of the planning board and I have to say I think you've got a fabulous planning board. They are very engaged. um chair of the planning board said as I was getting ready to leave, "Oh, and we have this other little thing we want you to work on are signed by law
and I'll I'll apologize in advance for the length that it takes up in your warrant and I'm sure the questions that is generated throughout the process. Um, but the good news is is that I think it was originally seven 27 pages and we've
cut it down by about 10 pages. So, we considered that progress in some ways. Um, but it did also open up, as the building commissioner was mentioning, things that, and this is not unique to to Milton in any way, things that are
just sort of missing or unsaid in the bylaw. Um, because as we were working through the sign bylaw, I think right now your current bylaw might have a whole three pages dedicated to signs. doesn't say a whole lot. And you've got
your sign review committee and what does the building commissioner do versus the sign review committee versus the role of the zoning board of appeals. And it was a little bit of an eyeopening experience working with both Michael and Liz who are also relatively new and everyone's
trying to find their way and figure out the process. And it it's somewhat humorous to realize, well, the practicality of how this works isn't written down anywhere or isn't reflected in your bylaws. Um, so I did have a
conversation uh a couple weeks ago, I think it was with um the planning director. Yes, you folks are looking to do um a rewrite of your zoning bylaw, and I will get something to you next week. I promise.
um because they do a lot of work with other communities who sometimes want to just take the whole thing and throw it out the window, but that's not terribly practical either. Um we've got to kind of figure out how do we break this down into what are the most pressing things and how and and how much of an appetite
does town meeting have? Um, you know, I've been to some town meetings where a planning board can present, you know, 135page repeal and replace of a zoning bylaw and it gets passed without a question. And
then there's other town meetings where someone will slam the warrant down on the podium like it's the old phone book saying, "You've read this. It's 135 pages long. You understand what's in there. I don't understand it. If I don't understand it, you can't understand it. Vote it down." and you think there goes
six months worth of hard work that's just been, you know, flushed down the toilet. Um, so we're going to work really hard to try to identify what is that sweet spot from a town meeting perspective to slowly make these
changes, but do them in maybe say two or three phases so that um you don't get all upset at the advertising and the cost of printing and the warrants and um yet you have a good much more userfriendly document in the end. So
>> certain more political signs. >> Definitely more political signs. Sure. >> Sneak that in. >> Yes, we will sneak that in. >> Save us all a lot of money. >> Too many. >> You know, it's amazing that you know when you when you think of other types of developments
and then say, why does a signed bylaw have to be 17 pages long? Well, there are a lot of issues. Like I said, not unique, but I I do have to say it was a very thoughtful process with the planning board considering you
don't want to hurt existing properties. You want to be a little more business friendly, but you don't want to be too business friendly. Um there was there was some good debates at those meetings. >> Thank you. So, I think we're we're
phasing into the Q&A uh portion of the presentation. >> I'm good. Thank you. >> We have like 28 issues on the agenda. >> I appreciate you saying how good the planning board to work with. >> They're fabulous.
>> Thank you. >> Uh I Well, I will just add as chair that um we worked together at the uh last uh town meeting and um I I found your um to be excellent on the spot. Um you know, and I've heard nothing but positive
comments from across the town about our transition to so I think that's something that this board did that we can feel very good about. Uh and I'm really excited to have you guys as our partners. >> But it's a joint effort and I think we've received a lot of cooperation from
from obviously the town ministry's office and all the department heads and the other boards too. So it's been as well is obviously your point. So it it all all works together. So thank >> I could add Mr. just just that >> um obviously any kind of transition is
tricky but they've made it easy and I think as as Mike can attest the it's a new experience for us to have many points of contact within a firm but it's due to the different expectations and
experiences and knowledge bases that folks in the firm have so our contact for code enforcement I mean he turns around letters within was literally >> same day return on a letter that's ready to go, been reviewed, good to go out the door. Contracts, same thing. I think
that was a place where MHL excelled and we've seen no drop off at all um in the transition to KP. So having those um in-house experts that now we can turn to um it's a little bit of a different system for us, but it's working really well. Um department heads I think are
when they need access. I mean, uh, Sue Galvin, whenever she has an elections issue, Lauren Goldberg responds very quickly and with a very detailed and informative response. So, I think that just goes to show that the firm has been an asset for us and um, it's been working really well. So, just wanted to
make sure the board was aware of that from a kind of day-to-day level. >> Mr. Wells, just one comment that you made me think of when you talked about. >> So, as you know, this was a big change.
>> Yes. in my professional 40 four decades and only been one change and that was 30 something years 37 years was a lot of letter that was written by attorney Goldberg two members of the board at that time that I thought was
very very impressive and very much supported the reputation that I knew she had and that very much helped you at least I think helped some help me I think helped some of the other members of this board make the decision we So if you I've never seen her sense if
you could say that to her for me um I would appreciate it. >> I definitely will. >> I know it was a a little bit of a unique interview process but but I appreciate uh board all the select board members keeping an open mind and uh glad the way it worked out.
>> So are we. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Great evening. Congratulations again >> and just enjoy the next chapters. >> Thank you for your service. ears. Um, so our next item, sorry, item number six
and I believe that we have >> Yes, Chiefs, if you could join. >> Yes, please. >> So, Mr. Milano. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, as the board's aware, we have been um working with our um police and fire
partners in Quinsey regarding an analysis of uh regional dispatch. Um so, just at a kind of high level, I'll I'll do a couple of kind of overview points and turn it over to the chiefs if anything to add and then obviously questions um from the members. But um
this work's been going on for several months um originally with a feasibility study through the Colin Center um as the state is encouraging communities to analyze regional dispatch and is putting um grant money behind an initial feasible study feasibility study as well
as development grants and operational grants. Um with Quinsey's new public safety building, they have the space um to transition um to a regional dispatch center. So they were looking as well for a potential partner. Um so the process
would take advantage um of grant money to support system replacements and improvements, infrastructure replacement improvements as well as grant money to get the dispatch center off the ground and um continuing grant money to support um the dispatch regional dispatch center
financially. So, the grant application that we're preparing is about $11 million in equipment, infrastructure, software, um, upgrades, or placements throughout both Milton and Quinsey, and then, um, money for salary. So, it's about a 12.5 million total grant. Um, we
do also have a draft intermunicipal agreement between Quinsey and Milton that we are seeking to have included with the grant application, which would be be seeking approval for this night, tonight. Um, so I think you know the other thing is this is still a work in progress. Um, if the grant is
unsuccessful, we will obviously not move forward. If the grant doesn't fund everything that we've applied for, there's going to be a conversation there as to is this still the right time to move forward or not. Um, and homework for us in terms of the transition of Milton Dispatches into the regional
center. um understanding exactly what gets funded and fully understanding the long-term um grant funding that's available for this uh for the dispatch center. So with that kind of high level overview, I'll turn it over to Chief Mad and Chief King for any color commentary,
additional information you'd want to share. I think this is a tremendous opportunity. Uh I was skeptical joining with Quinsey where it's a bigger department but um meeting with the Quinsey leadership uh meeting with the Quinsey fire chief and their their support and the Quinsey police chief um
we've been given an equal seat at the table and to discuss everything. So you know obviously Milton Fire is the smallest department of the of the uh the three of the four I should say. Um and we've given an equal seat at the table to discuss what our needs are. Um, so
it's been a tremendous uh experience so far for me and uh I just think that this is an opportunity, it's a great opportunity to really see where we are and have the opportunity to look at our dispatching the weaknesses that we have
and you know what can be corrected and where we can move forward in the future. So um I think it's it's a great opportunity. what's already been said. I I I don't want to get too bogged down the week only because I feel like this is really a step one
a lot of time a lot of months chief man staff um a lot of research a lot of planning but at the end of the day it's only just applying for grant I don't want to make big is I think you know question one is how much of a grant you
get any after that would be maybe have you certainly have lengthy conversations del I wouldn't go there yet money but there's a ton of pros just pointed out I think materials this some
concerns you got to address any concern always so I just think we should move forward it's an opportunity it's not done yet >> questions or comments from the members
>> so I my question was, you know, what the chief just mentioned, you know, how does Milton sort of how were Milton's interests uh protected in like a situation in a context where
we might be sort of the smaller guy? Um, but also too, I can see from like a resource perspective where like if we're we've got these grant funds and these additional resources,
we could stand to really benefit from that. Um, and I guess you know, can you provide like a specific example of like, you know, like, yeah, just like a specific example of a situation where we
might reap greater value from being in this type of a situation versus on our own. I I right off the bat I was just checking emails and the Motorola grant is for $2.9 million and that will
upgrade the infrastructure the radio communication infrastructure for both departments. >> Without this grant we have to pay for that ourselves. >> Okay. >> I mean that right off the bat is just just >> I hope that that is basic. You know what
I mean? Without really getting into the weeds just looking at that. >> Yeah. I'll give you an operational one. >> Yeah. >> Um, you know, we run like usually depend on how shifts, but I'm no one. So, if you're on the phone, your baby's choking. >> Yeah. >> There's no one else in that room,
>> right? >> So, one of two things happens. That person either gets put on hold so they can answer another 91 call. >> Yeah. >> Or if that other 911 call keeps ringing, it rings five times, it already kicks the >> They are our backup. We are their backup. >> Okay.
>> That's the way it's done. So it's kind of a natural partnership. People might not know it. We are already in with Quinton. They're considered when they close their communications and renovations, we dispatch out of our building for Quinty police and vice versa. >> So this is just making it more of a
routine regular everyday thing. >> And do we get like more dispatchers as a result? >> So what would happen now? Say that scenario this happens. You can have, you know, when you have a car accident, >> you don't get one call. get 30 calls because everybody dropped by the people
dropping. So that dispatcher, you know, might have two one. They have to feel all those calls because they don't know it's the same call and unrelated call. At the same time, they're trying to dispatch the radio. At the same time, they're calling over the five phone.
It's just there's delays in response times. They get abbreviated information because they don't have time to get all the information call. So it's great in the quiet time comes in, but here you're going to
leverage like the odds of us having those major incident exact same time Quzy is is less likely. So you're always going to have that extra and even if the both you know five departments are busy maybe the police not so you're going to have the dispatchers and the police do five cross train. So you're busy in four
departments working all four up street at the same time. Yeah. So you're going to always have bulk of dispatches that or you might be responsible for um say Quinty like today you might be Quinty police you know John might have you know
Quinty fire assignment might have assignment but if he's on the phone and now no one you all the same communicating the same I think that's the operationally I think
Chris is correct. >> Okay, >> Mr. Driscoll, >> everybody seems to be going on this a regional dispatch, right? It's modern. Got all kinds of You said it could be three different things going on. They
got plenty of help to help out. Know what I mean? So, I see a no-brainer if you food chiefs are very much in for this back you up. You know what I mean? >> Thank you. the expert.
>> I'll get another question. >> If there's if there's like a say, you know, everybody's all in right in the future. We get all in with Quinzy um if there's if there is like a dispute
or like a resource challenge like what's like the governance process to resolve any of that? So there's a there's a board the board be chief and fire chief of each department which is four and then they be a director of communication center. So that's like a five person operating.
>> Okay, >> Mr. Wells. >> So I'm going to go down a little bit different road and I've already talked to Chief and Nick about this. So for full disclosure, as Chief King knows, I spent 10 years on the governor's interoperability committee as well as the statewide interoperability committee
under both the Val Patrick and the Baker administration. So in that time we stood up two regionals. It's not as there are only actually I think two in there only one in North County which is the one in it's actually a regional is not really a regional in that aspect and Randolph and Brainsry as you know you were just about
to do it and it fell apart and it didn't go. So the two important things here that the members were going to be here need to understand. Three, for as many years as I can remember, someone dials either a 698 number or 911
number getting someone in the town of Milton that knows the town of Mil from the town of Milton answers that phone regardless of whether it's a normal business call or a critical crash on Randolph A. If you remember after 911, the city of Boston forced us, every town that
touched, every city and town that touched with the concept of doing a similar thing for police. And one of the things that crushed it was first was a lot of people did want to give up. I look no further than the lady sitting in that corner who probably this city runs probably one of the most
modern progressive in-house 911 systems that exists in the state of Massachusetts and has been way before we even second thing is more on a financial matter is and this has been the issue with some of the regionals is you get
the grant money when the grant window dries up. State 901 is great about oh yeah here you go on year one or year two and then three years from now because this is going to be a much you see the money you're you're buying from for grant absent the capital investment the
cost is going to be borne by the two communities and that is going to fall to you is a higher cost than pay today and that's something those are two critical things you have to think of because if you you can tell me if I'm wrong if you do this there's no coming back from
you're not you're not going to go factors. So you really need and I read the column report and I I've done an awful lot of these and I think the Hangingham the Shrek and Hangingham was Hangingham oh what cohasset and they were the first
and it took this I think it started like a $1.9 million grant and by the time we got them open they were like 11 million. So those are things from a financial point of view that you need to really be cognizant of >> as well as notify as well as the
residents of this town knowing that when they dial 911 it's not going to go into their community. Well that's people don't realize but when you when you see you read after actions you read feedback from communities one of the biggest things they talk about. What's the do we have? >> You're creating an own entity. You were
creating correct I mean maybe I think it's a little different than the hanging one >> but you're still going to be they're not going to be an employee of the town. They're going to be an employee of the system right they're not they're not going to be town employees and the final thing that I want to say and I talked about this last week when Mr. My heart
was here. No kidding. This since 1985, the whole emphasis on diversity has been that cadet program. And from that chief sitting right there through the all the way to the bottom are products of that cadet program. And you and I talk about
this today, Nick, you're going to have to think about how you're going because it's going to tell me if I'm wrong, you're going to have to dramatically shrink the cadet program and find roles for them outside of some of the dispatch roles they have. And that's that's a
critical thing because one of the problems he the chief chief Madden has not program is where's he going to put them? He doesn't have administrative roles. Am I correct to put them in? can't you can't hire fire cadetses put them on a piece of apparatus and the police department by statute on the
statute police cadetses in the communities of Cambridge Boston and Milton are allowed to work in an administrative role from the age of 19 to 25 years of age and that that is one of the biggest things and I said this last week to Mr. had this town ever passed and was
successful. So, I'm not going to go on anymore about it. I don't want, but that's something that for you guys being here, you need to think about. There's a big there's a tell me I'm wrong. There's a big step. >> I say you're wrong, but I think things have evolved a little bit. The issues
today is most of my dispatches today, >> I know that the residents are not familiar with town, the kids from way, from they're driving 25 miles. You call out Kwood, they don't know where it is. So that issue exists today. The cadet program valuable program. I was a cadet.
I believe strongly in it. But the cadet program now with alternative pathway hiring through civil service that onethird of kad counts 15%. So you still now have a mechanis program be able to do another 17% truly anyhow.
So either way that number really doesn't change. Um, I know what you're saying about the cost, but even if you go longterm, it's not a 50-50 cost. It's based on population cost of service. So, you know, we have >> still more than you're paying now,
though today. It's going to cost you more than you're paying today. >> I don't think either one of us could say what it's going to cost in five years. I mean, there's a lot of variables going that proportion of cost is about 80%. I I'd just like to add that right now
the fire department doesn't have a dispatch center or system. We lost dispatchers back in the 70s and we haven't done much with it since. We we work with PD, we work with the dispatchers now and it's an ad hoc system. This will actually finally get
the fire department to have a real a real system without a major cost to the town. I reached out to Hullbrook North for County Control when I became chief and they quoted me about $250 to $300,000 to dispatch just for
the fire department. They couldn't enter that that that grant at the time because it's the PAP and everything falls in the PAP and that's what the state is interested in. So for us for for the Milton Fire Department, so 100% this is a no-brainer. Something has to
be done without dispatch. Mr. Moleno, you want to add something? >> I was just going to say like to to Mr. Wells's point, there is a significant support and incentive grant that this regional center would count on through the state 911 program. So to be clear
about what the risk is, the risk is as more regional centers form that pie gets shared with more regional centers. So okay, >> in year eight, >> like for a year five under our forecast, we expect about $2.4 4 million in grant money that will offset the cost of
Milton and Quinzy, we'll be paying drastically less for dispatch in that year than we do today. Now, as more regional centers form, does that pie get shared differently? Does the regional center get impacted? Does the regional center add another community
that maybe more money comes in? So these are the kinds of things that move around. But the risk that the grant funding support that this center is um going to get in the near term in terms of an annual operating um support grant
is if that starts to go down then more costs shift back to Milton and Quinzy. So like there's a big upfront grant money and then there's annual recurring grant money. You are you given or do you have the opportunity say if it's an 8020
split do you know at all times like does the information get shared with you what the total cost to operate the regional dispatch is and what Milton's share is without the grant funding >> yes that' be part of the planning
purposes so that you know it's never >> a surprise or if we had to exit the arrangement we could. >> Yes. And likely it would be a matter of we see that grant support declining slowly. It rather than going away all at
once it would be more like okay Dam and Canton formed a regional center. I don't know just throwing out two names. So now we go from 2.4 million to 2.3 million just using kind of in those examples. So like that would we would likely see it we'd likely see it as gradual and then also making sure that the regional
cent's costs also don't um go up faster than they should as well from a management perspective. doesn't necessarily have to >> it doesn't necessarily it's just in that that is that is kind of the risk where this the budget on a budgetary conversation
the reason it is saves Milton and Quinsey money is because of that state support as that if that state support were to go down or go away cost come back to Boston and Milton and Quinsey maybe we don't save as much maybe it cost us some money long term that's kind
of pro prognosticating deep into the future we can really report on right here today. >> Yeah. I just reminded there's a lot of variables like you know wouldn't be all those costs like building you got to factor in like you're still paying significant cost today
and when they're employees it's healthare cost pension cost there's a lot of variables that would help so >> and we aren't liable for the other employees health care or pension costs. So you're going to
>> Oh yeah. So I have one question. So I just just to this is for the board to try and give you an analogy of how from the inception how 911 was. So you know how we've tried to struggle with we had from you know access how cable that the subscriptions to cable have been
declining. So 91 was created enacted in Massachusetts by by creating a 25 cent fee on every 401 call that supports infrastructure. That's how 911 runs. >> Part of the reason 911 is pushing because as it is now,
Chief King is a the proprietor of the PAP in Milton gets a 911 grant every year comes from that money. I ask you this, how many of you dial 411? So, the fact that 411 calls are almost gone
away, that money has dropped significantly. So for for for um for 911 it's smarter for them to try and push regionals versus let every single I mean we we passed the 911 legislation in 1994. That's how long it's been. So >> Mr. Friscoll and then Mr. Dailyy
>> would there be any like stipulation that you hire Milton people? Um yeah, they're interesting because they'll need the dispatchers still need. >> So that's not ruled out. No, >> no. Every current dispatcher that wants to certainly
>> we can move over. Is it civil service? >> It's not civil service. No, but you would expect them. They want them. We have those conversations. No, but if you enter into this city, could we have at least one person from Milton in that
room at all times? >> That's something that we could work out that the board that Cheesecake was talking about. Yeah, absolutely. We could definitely make sure >> said people don't know the city plenty, no roads. I don't even know roads in this town anymore.
>> I understand that. >> Scary if you're saying that, John. I'm saying today we don't necessarily have all the single. Oh, I know >> that doesn't exist today. >> Mr. Dailyy, >> did you have >> Yeah, a lot of my questions will uh will
be better after this grant is received or not because it's more about operational execution and the local impact as well. I just wanted to point out on Megan uh member Heert's point about exiting. I'm assuming that this agreement is going to be somewhat
ironclad. Are we putting it expected to be for a number of years? So, so it's five years, right? We can withdraw even after this grant at 60 days notice for any reason. If we were to go into it, you're talking a year and a half, two years away, even if they call it a
ranging net build, you can still get out with 60 days prior to them answering single call. So, basically next two years, >> Mr. Who else? >> So just one final point and most people
don't even know this exists. So as far as your existing infrastructure open to you know big blue who's going to continue to pay to maintain those them or you? >> So the grant will come in and then we get funded on our proposal like upgrades
to make sure that good. But if in x number of years we don't know for sure if the sustainability grants you can get that. If there's not but The way it's written is built built in maintains almost their structures.
So many of the communities liable for others. >> So you've got to keep your radio maintenance agreements in place. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Because that's like I don't see them be nice to get if I were them to get like big blue alone. Big blue is one of the
premium places to have infrastructure and we've been there since. But that's people think it's just like this phone, you know, the phone only works because the infrastructure, the radio systems only work because the infrastructure from Milton's point of view, we have some of the most critical infrastructure points in the metropolis.
>> Well, uses Big Blue and uses Rashi Drive. So, we have those key sites already. And, you know, when you look at that, we still maintain those sites, but this grant is going to upgrade all of our radio equipment that's on those
sites. So, um, and I know Quinsey, one of the things that Quinsey was talking about was piggybacking off of us onto those sites as well, just to increase their their, um, coverage. And, um, the other thing about it too is, you know, I have a radio vendor.
Police has their own radio vendor. This will actually get us under the same umbrella. You know, a couple years ago, we were actually piggybacking, they were piggybacking off of our frequency. And, you know, our our contractor really doesn't know much about their system. their system doesn't know much about our system. This will finally get both of us
under the same umbrella and work together to have a state-of-the-art communication center. >> Well, it seems Mr. Walls, you have another question. >> Thank you. Thank you. I've said enough. >> Um but so uh to me it seems like we've got joint consensus from both chiefs
that this is a good idea. Um that the grant application doesn't actually tie us into anything and we can continue to have these discussions. Um, and you know, who knows what the technology will look like in another 30 years. This will probably be all outdated again and and people will be talking about it. But for
certainly for now, it seems like uh wise uh at least uh look at an investment. So I will entertain a motion if >> I'll make the motion, Mr. Chair, apply for the grant. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion's been made and seconded. Any further discussion >> and to authorize execution of the IMA,
the intermunicipal agreement? >> So the the formal motion of Mr. Wells will accept an agreement is accept an amendment is to move to approve the application for a grant for a regional dispatch center with the city of Quinsey and an intermunicipal agreement with the city of Quinsey for regional dispatch. >> What you said?
>> The second to agree with that. >> Second. Yeah. >> Well, we're all here in person so we can vote the normal manner. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. That's unanimous. Thank you, Chief. >> Thank you very much. >> Lyn has the eye. Uh item seven uh we have our update
discussion update approval East Milton Fire Station RFP and appraisal report. Mr. Milano. >> Uh thank you Mr. Chair. Uh we included all the materials again in the packet. Turn it back to the members for any questions, comments, requests around the RFP or
>> questions or comments from the members. >> So what are you going to do? Tell us what do you get? So there's a lot of interest out there. >> From my perspective, we've crafted it to allow for the building to remain as a
requirement to prioritize kind of more of an active use than an inactive use. Um so unless there are requests to alter the RFP, um we're prepared to release it with the board's approval. I'm I'm If you want to do it as our last thing, I'll make a motion
tonight to release it. >> Second. >> Second. I didn't have any I didn't have any amendments to it. See what the market >> It looked fine to me as well. So, we have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? >> Okay. All in favor? >> I. Right. That's unanimous.
>> So, it helps you go. Well, you know, you got to you know, you'll have something >> something fun. >> Time will fly by and that's the only reason time will fly by and be crystal like what? So item number eight is discussion update approval of Milton policy statement expression of values and um I
I'm you know as chair just to point out we didn't see um the documents until this afternoon which Mr. Mono I know you've got a lot of other things on your plate um and given that Mr. Wells and myself will only be on the select board for another week or so. It feels to me like this might be uh an item that might
be better addressed by the new select board uh in May unless folks did have a chance to go through all of the materials and have thoughts about what they would like to have. >> I did not. So I I would >> I think I think this is
uh best handled not at a transition moment. >> I agree. I I would also suggest that it could be a good um item for your discussion when you have your retreat. >> Yep. >> Um so >> make a motion to put it on the agenda for the retreat. >> Thank you.
>> Um so we'll just go ahead then to item number nine, housing product housing production plan advisory committee composition charge term. >> Mr. Milano. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I provided a draft of this. Um what we had talked about was having representation from the
affordable housing trust, the planning board and the select board or rather having members appointed by each of those boards as part of uh an advisory committee to help manage the housing production plan and and monitor um its
implementation. Um so our our consultant Karen center board did inquire about whether um it would be worthwhile to consider additional representation whether it's from the council on aging, Milton Housing Authority, the board of appeals um or the community preservation
committee. Um as additional potential members um so what I've drafted is really just um a membership of six members. two appointed by the affordable housing trust, two appointed by the select boards, two appointed by the planning board with one-year terms. Um,
so really open to comments on on how to tweak this or if folks think we're in a place to start um requesting applicants to it for consideration while we finalize the charge and composition. >> Questions from the members or comments?
>> I'm always a little nervous about appointing an even number of people to something. Do we turn into a want to wait and let the new board do it. I I don't I'm fine either way. I don't >> I might recommend that we try to figure out a way to do it so that we've got an
odd number of appointments whether that's um somebody from conservation or some somewhere else. Um maybe we get you know figure out who that is and then um I would circle back to the new board. I I'll make a motion to add an additional
member that that future board before future board determines where it cut. Let them let I don't want to try and take but >> I think that that >> so that gives you that so that way you don't have an even >> maybe I'm just wrong here on the
language. It says two members appointed by was it not two members from our original >> I left it as appointed by in case you do choose, for example, the select board could appoint the select board member and somebody else or or just two
designates or I left it so it was kind of to be determined by the board. Um, if the expectation was that it was going to be members from each of those boards of committees, we could change that. Um, >> I think that was the I will maybe some for us to double check as well, but I
thought this was to be members from each body. >> That was the idea. on any board. They can designate if they want. That's what happens a lot. >> Yeah, >> I I think I mean it'll be up to the select board in terms of who it wants to appoint. If somebody on the select board feels like they want to be on this
committee, then I would assume that the other members of the select board would respect and then appoint a second member. So, I'm okay with the language as drafted. Um, but if you would like to make a motion to change it, certainly entertain that.
Maybe we have a motion to change, but I think this needs to be clarified with the other bodies because I'm pretty sure the planning board and the AHT was looking to appoint members from there from those bodies >> from the AHT makes it would make sense. Yeah, they wouldn't have a designate,
but the point for like school committee select the electeds I would imagine opt to go for a design if they want like similar school building. We have >> do we have a member and we had a designate, right? We have a correct we have a member and a designate. >> Yeah, it's it would really I can check
in with them to to verify they were >> going to split costs and also split the seats. >> My inter Yeah. And I could have misinterpreted what I just thought that meant was like the appointments of the seats would be divided by the three groups. Not necessarily that would be explicitly members of each of those
boards or committees. Um but we can tweak that and then uh bring that to the meeting in May. >> You saying you like being on five nights a week? >> Oh, you want to be on four nights a week? Is that what you're saying? >> That's the job. That's the job. >> So it sounds like Mr. Maloney, you're going to do a little more work to this.
Mr. Wells, do you want to withdraw your motion then? >> Yeah, I'll withdraw. Yeah. So that's fine. I was trying to I was just trying to >> I appreciate that >> address what you talking about. >> Make sure we leave a motion on the floor. >> Yeah, I'll I will withdraw that. >> Um okay. So let's move on then. Item 11, spent specialization fund policy. Mr.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Again, a draft uh policy in the packets. Um this has been something that's been in the works on the school committee side. Um so with excuse me the planned appropriation into the special education stabilization fund at the Maytown meeting the school
committee and select board members at through the Milton budget coordination committee meetings had talked about having a policy at least in progress um that would explain how that money would be utilized. Um, so this is a draft that's been shared by the school
committee that would um explain how they would what costs would be eligible, how they would bring those costs to the school committee to the select board for approval for withdrawal and then set um you know minimum funding for it and talk about processes and how to um then add
additional money to it uh once and if that's necessary. Um, so I if there's any comments or questions from members, we can work with our partners in the school committee to address those. Um, I just wanted to keep the kind of progress moving and reporting as to what the
status is presently. >> So are we looking for a motion tonight or not? Really just >> we're not we're not just checking in taking temperature. So to that extent, does anyone have a temperature that they would like to report or questions?
We've put in a lot of work so far on it. >> This has this has a lot of comments from >> we've gone back and forth a lot. We've worked we've worked a lot with the school committee, finance committee. >> Sounds like you have the green light to continue to move forward with this, Mr.
M. >> So, this is just the language has been discussed, tweaked. It's really governance around how we use the special education fund every year, how we fund it. Um I don't think we've really left gaps in here. Still be reviewed by the budget coordination committee and more
committee as well. But >> so it's a high level game of tug of war. >> Most people pulling in the same direction. >> All right. >> I think yeah I think it clarifies a lot of things and gets us past some of the
concerns about using the special education stabilization fund. >> Okay. Okay. Well, with no other comments, then I'll move us along to item number 12, fiscal year 27 budget. Mr. Milano, do we have any exciting updates? Did anyone win the lottery?
>> No news uh right now. Uh we're just getting ready for town meeting. >> Uh item 13, speaking thereof, annual town meeting warrant, Wednesday, May 6, 2026. I think we've already approved. Is there any anything to report on the warrant?
>> Uh no, the warrant is with the printer. um hopefully it will be printed and mailed this week so folks should start to see it arriving in the next week or so. Um it'll be up on our website before then um and elsewhere. Um so um everything's a progress on the town one
as well. >> Okay. Uh item number 14 uh is recognition of service of outgoing select board members and new select board member transition. Well, is somebody going to sing a song for us or
We recall the cakes and >> do I get to keep this name plate? You >> sure do. >> That's nice recognition. >> Um, >> should we say nice things? >> You're welcome to member Driscoll. >> That's all right.
>> I'd rather working with both of you. >> I'll get them. What is the poll? >> Um, it's been a pleasure working with both of you. Thank you for giving your time. You very well don't realize there's a lot of time
behind this and I appreciate everything you have done. >> What else do you have? >> So, I'm not a fanfare guy. Um, there's anyone that's I think no one here that would remember, but when I retired as chief in 2017, I >> I remember that
>> went to lunch on Tuesday. I went to I told my secretary I was going to lunch and then I called him on the phone and said uh I was scheduled to retire on Friday said cow's in the driveway I'm gone good luck just um but let's this is
a little bit different than that um today is the culmination of 41 years of service to the town 32 in the police department and select board and I I I just think about how much things have changed since I first got here. I never
wanted to be. There was just three of us. And I look at it now and and just I reflected thinking about the building commission's report like all those things happened in the past nine years and that was a lot of work to to make those I mean just hearings and complaints and anxieties and
apprehension. But for the fellow board members that I've served with over the past nine years, those are things that we had to take on. And I'm very appreciative to all each and every one of them when I first got here with Katie Carlin and David Burns right up. Um
0286 is the commonality amongst all of us. This is where we live. This is where we call home. And um I just have to say a few things that I'm especially grateful to all the employees because they're the nuts and bolts that make this town work. And for me, um, the fact
that they've put in the residence, put their trust in me to be in these positions, it means everything in the world to me. I mean, you give up a lot of things in my life. I've seen a lot of bad things, and I've been through some really good things here and some really bad things, but
very proud of that. And when my dad walked across Dorchester Bridge from his house by Walter Baker Chocolate in 1949 after just getting with four of his brothers coming back from World War II, six months later, he went to work for
the Mil Police Department. And this year, next year will be the first time since 1949 that Richard Wells was not going to work by the time. And I I was shocked when I I said this to Nick the other day. I was like because I used to laugh at my father. He did 40 almost 44 years and I used to laugh at him when I
was a rookie come say dad I'll be gone so so I'll be gone so long before I even get near to that and and here I am now but I just but there I'm very grateful to him and I'm especially grateful to all the town administrators
and um particularly John Cronin who listened to me more times than I can count trying to get here and as my own father said to me years ago he goes the town administrators is the most important person you have to work with and that was right for me as a
union person as a deputy chief as a chief and as a select member right up to Mr. W and that's um a key thing and to everyone who's my my wife I can't even talk about just being here I'm just Mr. Pauline Wells like I don't know she's
here but um to everyone who supported me Lindy Kathy pig and but the the last ones I want to thank um is something that came in my career 20 years ago that I never ever expected
John know this was when I was asked to join the cop foundation and people don't know what it means for a group of six that me twice a year and looks at every single issue affecting this town without
telling anybody anyone. Saturday night we gave Milton Hospital a million dollars. That's a second million dollars this year. No one knew that was coming. Not even now. 20 something million dollars in checks made payable to the town of Milton those
20 years. And that to me, they'll kill me for this. But I'm so proud of what they do in such a private private way. In the 20 something years I've been on that foundation, only five
applicants have ever been through the door of thousands of grants. We have five. And so to that, I say that because a lot of people will hear the name, they know it, they'll see it, but they don't understand what an important entity is
in this town. And I am so humbled to be one of them. So that's it. And now on to my job that I love, Rob. So thank you. I know that was a little lengthy. And >> no problem, Mr. Wells. Um, I made
remarks earlier uh about uh leaving and um you know I I uh I I want to echo what Mr. Wells said. Um just very very grateful to Nick uh and Lynn, Cody. We didn't have too much time to work together. Uh but um you know that the
town staff is just top to bottom excellent and we're very very lucky in this town uh to have the people that we do uh and the jobs that that they're in. Um, I feel like the three years that I've been on the select board has it it
feels like 41. Um, we've seen a lot of a lot of uh changes, a lot of transitions. Uh, some good moments, some bad moments. Um I I feel like the community is on this really great trajectory at the moment of coming together um trying to
tackle problems as a whole and I hope that we continue to do that because I think more than anything in this world where and I've I've said this as the reason that I'm leaving is because the the current federal administration has made my job much more difficult over the
last year and a half and uh I have to be um out of town now a lot more than I used to Um, and so in in this era of uncertainty, as Mr. Wells said, we are all in the 02186, and we need to make sure that we remember that, treat each other
accordingly, uh, as neighbors, uh, as the people who ultimately when push comes to shove, are going to be next door to you. Um, so I I'm so confident in member Wells. I mean, sorry, member Wells, member Daily.
>> I'm confident in Member Wells in his continued work. I am I'm very confident in Mr. Daly, Miss Hagerty, and Mr. Driscoll and their continued stewardship of this. I'm sure they will provide a uh a warm and good welcome for whoever comes and is lucky enough to sit in
these seats. It is a big job. Um, it's a job that I might pick up again in the future if the world changes again, which it probably will. Uh, but for now, I'm I just consider myself very lucky to have been able to represent the town for the time that I did. So, thank you very much.
Good luck to you guys because change will happen and it's going to be in two weeks going totally different and just like when you came here going to have new faces walking the door and the most important thing is that is to get the residents trust to have them trust you
and realize that they matter to you and when they will email you and call you and come and knock on your door that says a lot and that to me those are the things that I carry so deep in my heart We also have new member transition on here and I don't know >> we're not going we're not going to be
there >> to say about that beyond I know that we've got the organizing meetings on the agenda. >> Oh yeah sure. >> Yeah sure. >> Um as I say quickly you both stepping down but I don't consider it that you
guys are leaving. In the year that I've been here and the time that I ran for this seat, I know that nothing really happens without the folks who've done it before. Uh the people that I spoke to, the people that I've uh
that have had counsel for me over the years, the folks that have been here for 40, 50, and 60 years. I pick up the phone when I call on the conversations I've had with Richard, the conversations I've had with you, Ben. Um even though you guys are not going to be sitting in these seats anymore, your impact is not lessened, right? You're not uh you are
not forgotten. You are not gone. You are still incredibly important to us and fully expect that you will receive calls from probably all three of us >> at Wells at Mass House. >> And I think that's and that is what um makes this town work. It's the mix of
people that have been here, the history, the legacy, and the folks that come in and want to continue it. And that's it. So, thank you both. I will always answer if you call unless I cannot >> I will call you back. I don't
>> Okay, I get to go last. Um so I >> So um thank you. Thank you both. Um the both of you were two of the very first people I spoke with when I >> Sweet Life. >> Yeah, >> sweet life. >> Yeah, it was like a twohour breakfast or
something. Um, and you were both very real with me and very encouraging and I being one of the new members on the board um I have
relied on both of you uh you know for guidance and moral support. I don't know both of now both of you realize like how how flustered I can get. But >> you are funny when you say I'm so mad.
>> Uh but I it's just, you know, I feel like over the course of a year, we all all five of us kind of got in a a really good groove with things. So, um it's bittersweet to have you guys depart. Um,
but you know what's really special for me as a lifelong public servant, I know you share the same background and Ben, you work in the public interest doing fundraising as well. Um, it is it is
such a nice thing to be part of a community of people who um get to serve something greater than themselves. And we are really lucky um to live in a town where so many people
care and there's never a shortage of opportunities to get involved and to serve. Um and and both of you guys have just really represented so much of that. And I hope other folks if you're out
there watching this meeting tonight, I know I know lots plenty of people do. Um, I hope I hope that other people will see your example and act on that call to serve that you guys have done. Um, because it really is,
it's such a special thing. Um, and we're so lucky and I feel like, yeah, this is maybe kind of like the mafia where you can never really leave and we will still call you. just when I thought I was out.
>> But um but but just really thank you. Thank you so much for the past year and for your your years and years and years of service. >> Thank you very much. Well, now we get to talk about Mr. Milano. Um we have uh
>> John did Yeah, John. Sweet. >> Both great people to work with and I've known Richard for a very very long time. He's done a lot this time. He's gone to a lot. >> I'm sure he's not going to disappear.
>> Definitely not. If I can add, I just like to say that >> um you >> um it's crazy to think three and a half years ago when I started and Richard was the last of that five that appointed me and there will be nobody appointing me
anymore. So I appreciate the three the you know full three and a half years that we had working together and in the first preliminary interview I think we had a conversation about capital and I didn't know at the time or appreciate your commitment to that committee. So we will be one of the homework that we'll
have is to figure out who's going to take over that committee and lead that committee hopefully for the next nine years. Um so just want to thank you um more generally but specifically for that service. And then just to both of you >> I you know we can town staff and our office and everybody we can always do
better but I just want to I think it's really helpful when board members are so supportive of the employees. um we don't get everything right, but we try and so I I just you know your vocal support for the staff. I I just appreciate um I just wanted to share kind of those two
points. Um but thank you for the service and best of luck and we will be calling. So um don't go too far vice versa. >> Thank you Mr. Milano. Um but I am going to now turn the tables um around uh because we have on as our next agenda
item uh the town administrators uh performance evaluation. Um I had a chance to meet with uh Carla on uh Friday I think it was. Um she had she had received and thank you to everyone for in a very timely fashion. I think
this is the first time uh since in my three years that I've been on the board that we got the town administrators um evaluations all done by all the members. So kudos >> that >> that was uh it was that was circulated to the members I believe who had a
chance to um read it. Um overall um not surprisingly I don't think to anyone um you would Nick is a very valued member of this town. uh the evaluation was very strong in favor of of him and his work
um with lots of really nice things to say. I don't want to you know read through the whole thing in detail but um really um your your attention to detail uh and your uh responsiveness to the town uh both to members of this board, other boards u you know there there are
uh so many people who clamor for your attention and you manage to give it to them when they need it and uh it's noted by everyone. Um, so I will turn it over to the members if you had any other comments on the evaluation or wish to say anything. >> Sorry, I don't usually go first. Mr.
Nol, >> I only have a short time on the select board, but I had a lot of time before the select board, and you were always very responsive. You're always very willing to help and open door policy. So, uh, you're a great person, still a
great person. always easier to work with. >> Appreciate that. >> Can't deny his race, though. >> You've had to deal with a lot of really big issues in your three and a half years, and I think you've done it uh excellently for my time on the board.
So, choking up for everybody tonight. >> Well, it's just mixed last night, too. Uh but uh I think you've done an excellent job and I hope you're here in the town for a long time to come. I really appreciate the work I've done. The last few years of
override MBTA budgets have not been easy and I think you've been a a steady um hand. So thank you. >> Thank you. >> I pretty much agree with member Daly and member Drisco and everyone else. But
thank you. Thank you for our first year too. Um because there were definitely things I didn't know that you've always been available and um also listen to me a lot. Um and yeah, I think I think we
have a lot of work coming up in the in the years ahead. It's um I think some of our budget challenges are are potentially going to stay challenging. Um and
uh you've done a great job at working with us to bring everybody to the table and you know run everybody through the details and I think that that's so important. Um, and I want to recognize
that, um, you and Amy and Joanna have really, you know, taken the time, made yourselves vulnerable and walked everybody through that process. And I think that that's just so important for our town governance and
for um, getting people to trust government, which is it's really important in our town these days. it's really important in society at large and um you know on the topic of public service that that takes a lot of
bravery. Um and I'm really glad that we're gonna get to continue to partner with you on that. >> It's like a group hug. >> Yeah. >> Mr. >> All the feels tonight. This isn't a criticism, but we've said
this I've said this a lot. I think I kind of capped it in my comments is and I probably learned this from my own father just about public service is that you got to go out and be the face and I said this to you fly your flag go out
walk around the business meet let them see you and see your face because one of the key things that is it's it's easy when the h it's it's easy when it's the easy things it's tougher when it's the hard things and when you've already developed that positive relationship
ship when all of a sudden you hit that big bump on the road like you've seen just the issues on just the projects we've done it's go do it and and then lastly Lynn just to thank her everything she does for us >> I will take a motion on the uh
evaluation of the town administrator >> make that motion >> second >> so motion's been made to approve the town administrator's performance evaluation and second it um any case. No. >> All in favor? >> I. >> That's unanimous.
>> Um, next up, uh, we have discussion approval proclamations celebrating Earth Day and Arbor Day. Uh, as someone who feels very strongly about the environment. Uh, I think we can wave the reading of both of these proclamations if the members see fit. Um, and just
make that second. That's your motion. I second it. >> Move to approve the proclamations celebrating Earth Day and Arbor Day. >> Second. >> Second. Motion's made and seconded. Any further discussion? The Earth is very important. As Artemis reminded us, it's a fragile blue dot.
These are important celebrations to recognize. All in favor? >> I. >> Great. Um, we have, uh, an amended. Um, thanks, uh, Mr. Milano for getting this back on the agenda. Discussion approval one day liquor license. Um, I will take
a motion on this. >> Make a motion to approve the one day. Oh, no, I can't make this. I'll make the motion then I'll have standing the vote. So I'll make the motion to approve the one day liquor license um liberally Sheridan from Milton Music Fest. We on Milton Saturday June 20th and Sunday June 21st from 4 p.m. to 10 p.m. Field.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Um I did >> we specifically changed the time for Sunday. I think we approved the Saturday time. >> We pulled it off. >> We I thought we approved Saturday. >> You didn't approve anything. >> We didn't approve anything. >> Is Saturday also 4 to 10? Yeah, they're both to me.
>> She said five, but I think that was four. Four. Four is the time. >> Okay, great. I just wanted to make sure we got it right. >> Oh, good. Yeah, thank you. >> So, motion's been made. >> Seconded. Any further discussion? >> All in favor? I abstensions? >> Uh, town administrators report, Mr.
Milano. >> So moved. >> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, Mr. White, uh, Michael already explained that we have a part-time local inspector position that we'll be posting. Um we will also be working we have a we are looking for a clerk for the uh community
preservation committee which would be uh much more limited hours um if somebody's looking for just um minimal hours for um staffing their meetings, helping manage their meeting agendas, meeting minutes, uh CPC applications and that process. So
um a a very low part-time type job in terms of total number of hours, but it might be something uh nice to to add if somebody's looking for something small. Uh, and we're preparing to post a position in the for the planning board admin assistant that will um also go out there. That'll be another part-time position for somebody if somebody's
looking for something um part-time. Um, and speaking of community preservation committee, I think I said this at the last meeting, but the eligibility application period is now open. Uh, we've been starting to talk to town departments about applications um from town departments, but um members of the
public have started. We I think there are four applications in already. So if you're interested in in seeking funding through community preservation committee, those eligibility applications are due May 29th. So you have still decent five to six weeks, but please submit. Um the information is
available on our website. Uh and we do had another retirement to report. Um Delroy Butler is retiring from Milton DPW after several decades of service to the town. They started always um shows up to every
event. um shows up for every opportunity to work additional hours. So uh grateful for the many years of service and congratulate him and wish best wishes on his retirement and that >> I had it in front of me. I will report
it before the end of the meeting. It's I don't know the day you started. Um and then I should have mentioned this during the budget discussion, but um the warrant committee chair did report that warrant committee talked about the long-term projection and having a policy
regarding the operating budget stabilization fund and having a discussion with the new select board about long-term override date. So I meant to mention that earlier, but I I'll work it into town administrator updates. That's what I have. >> Um, and we'll seed back to you as soon
as you figure out how long Delroy is here. >> Um, for the chair's report, I don't have uh much uh other than um I Saturday the 18th um at the Blue Hill. There's going to be a uh special event uh for Earth Day. It's you get to climb to the top of
the Blue Hill. There's they're counting. They're expecting hundreds of people to do this. Um you'll touch an LED light and give a testimony about Earth Day. If you want more information about it, go to bluehill.org. Um, sounds like an excellent event. Lana, do we have an update?
>> 37 and a half years. >> Um, any uh reports from the members? Anything? Um, public comment response. I think we kind of already have done that. Our future meeting schedule, um, organizational meetings will be held April 29th and 30th. Mr. Milano,
>> I the three members who will be here. Yes. Either of you do you have availability either of those nights? Do you have a preference? So, this would be just to elect a chair, >> vice chair and secretary. So, the
>> the 30th is what works for me. >> I think I think the 30th is what would work for me as well. We can do Zoom if >> if necessary. >> Necessary. Yeah, I think either of those are fine for me. >> Okay. So, we'll plan on >> the Thursday. Yeah. Thursday evening. Uh
thank you. >> Okay. Um so that's then organizational meeting set uh for April 30th. Uh town meeting dates as a reminder May 6th uh May 7th, May 11th, May 12th, May 13th. Uh and the select board retreat uh is uh
TBD uh June 6, 13th or 27th. Uh future agenda items. I would feel bad suggesting something there. Um, so with hearing none, um, and, uh, I'm going to use my chair's privilege to skip executive session, um,
this evening. Um, but we are still going to, uh, drop into Governor Stoen trust very quickly. So, I'll take a motion to adjourn from select board. >> I'll make that I'll make that motion. >> May and seconded. Uh, any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. Uh so the select board meeting is uh
is out of session now and I am calling to order a meeting of the trustees of the Governor Stoen Trust. Um we have a couple of items on our agenda. Uh first is request for funding from the Governor Stoen Trust to Beth Israel Deaconist Medical Center Milton campus. Mr. Milano.
>> Thank you Mr. Chair. Uh Milton Hospital submitted their um annual request for funding. Um I did not coordinate with Mr. Fernandez to to join our meeting this evening. Um um he usually will make himself available happily if members uh would like to hear from him directly but
I we did include his letter in the packet with his request uh for this year. Um happy to take any questions. >> My final motion on this board. I'll make a motion to approve. Is it 20 or 15? How much is it? >> I had it as 20 this year. I can verify that if you can.
>> Yeah, I think I already knew. I think I read it was >> so unless I'm wrong, but I'll make a motion to approve. It's >> 25,000. >> 25. I'll make a motion approve one of their $25,000 requests from Stone. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion's been made to approve $25,000 to Beth Israel Deaconist Medical Center Milton Campus from the Governor's
Sto Trust and seconded. Any further discussion? >> I have a quick question. >> Um, in my reading of the letter, I'm I may have missed it, but I'm just wondering what is the do we what is the annual contribution that we typically
make? It's right around there. >> It's right around had been I think it was 20,000 last year, 15 the year before that. So, they have adjusted it a little bit each year, but it's it's in that ballpark. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh motion's made and seconded. Uh all in favor?
>> I >> uh item number three, discussion approval town farm request for proposals proposal from Milton Partnership for Community Reinvestment LLC. So we talked about this um in our previous open session as the trust um
where uh I think there was some hesitation uh around the current um proposal based on the infrastructure needs that um that the road was facing. Um, and I think this has been I feel
like it's it would be good to kind of put a point on this u to some extent and then uh allow the trustees of the governor stoen trust's future iteration to continue to think about um how best to use that land. Um so I don't know if
anyone has any thoughts that they'd like to share or a motion that they'd like to make. So my my personal position um has been that if we if we can't um
get to a workable model um on this proposal that can also include the infrastructure upgrade. Um, if we are also in a position to get to eventually get to safe harbor with the
existing developments that we have in the pipeline, I'm okay with moving to um re um either rebid the um proposal or
wait for a a more opportune um time to um thank the site. Right. >> You want to suspend it? >> I think so. Yeah. >> Nick, did we ever get any additional
updates past our last conversation with the developer? >> No. The proposal was that they would as part of the project um after they get their uh relevant regulatory approvals um from this board um funding and then a
board of appeals approval that they would have an engineering firm design infrastructure improvements to Governor Sto Lane but that was the limit of what they could commit to. Um their view was you know if we got it if the project had designed it's at that
level then it's you know grant ready. So if there was a grant massworks housing works type program out there that might be an opportunity for funding but they would not have the capability to fund improvements um directly as part of the project.
Yeah, I I think I'd be in the uh same mindset of suspending or going under further review. I think with the changes along can't nav um with that 40 development those going to affordable and the rentals which
really changes the governor stone setup and us not being able to fund some of these improvements. Maybe there's a space for us to rethink work with town farm Thank for the thoughts, Mr. Wells. >> I I gonna I wasn't understand, but I do
think for the three of you, >> I think you're going to see something else come to you this year. It's going to say father leaving you with something. Leaving you with something. When I >> It's like a psychic seeing the future. >> I think you're going to see something.
You're going to see something. medium. >> Okay. >> No, no, it's not. It's not. Please. You kidding me? I have to move away from Isabel, but I think you might Yeah. >> see something to see that will >> entertain. Well, not entertain, but
we'll help you. You're You're so close. There's one thing like tonight I'm like in these nine years I think we're 4.5. I came the select. Yeah. We're like what? 9.7 now and 9 like you're right on the
you're right on the on the crisp. >> Um so to that end, Mr. Milano, u should we make a formal uh vote to suspend the RFP? That make the most sense? >> I think that it's really to >> withdraw
>> withdraw the RFP and and yeah, I think withdraw. >> So I'll take a motion. Someone wants to make that. I'll make a motion to withdraw the RFP for uh town form. That's your proposal. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion's been made and seconded.
Uh any further discussion? I will say just for further discussion. Um I continue to believe that affordable housing is the right solution for that piece of land. And I think that um given the developments that have been taking
place, we can continue. I have faith and confidence in the Governor Stoen Trust to continue to look thoughtfully at that piece of land and make uh developments as uh as needed. Um it's an important part of the Milton um history. There's
some important historical buildings on that site. Uh and it will continue to need attention. Um so motion's been made seconded. I made my comment. I don't think anybody else had one. Uh uh all in favor >> I >> abstain
>> abstension one. Uh okay. Um then we have a we have a uh I'm going to skip executive session. Do we have to go to executive session? >> No, we're in okay shape. We can approve those. Um >> um I would just ask if um you could just review the minutes in case you had any
edits, the executive session minutes in case you >> I will make I will review the executive session minutes. And if I have edits, I will make them to Mr. Milano and and you guys will be so informed. Um so uh when we can approve um meeting minutes for
February 24th, 2026. All members were in attendance. Is that right? Okay. Um does anybody want to make that motion >> to approve meeting minutes dated February 24th, 2026? >> Second. >> Okay. Motion's been made and seconded.
All in favor? >> I don't I don't think it was there, so I'm definitely >> I didn't think you were there either, but I did. I don't want to contradict. I know. Okay. I will take a motion to adjurnn. >> So move. >> Move. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> All right. All in favor?
>> I. It's been a pleasure doing business with you. Thank you, Milton. >> Thank you. Thank you everyone. Part: 2
All right, folks. Uh, welcome all. Uh, welcome to the April 14th, 2026 meeting of the Conservation Commission. Uh members of the commission are appointed by the select board uh to implement the rules and regulations of the wetlands protection act and the Milton town bylaw
governing the wetlands. We have two uh issues of formality. One is that we invite all to speak and ask questions and make comments. Uh but we do ask that because we're an open meeting and this is a recorded meeting uh that you identify yourself. The second uh issue
of formality is that we introduce ourselves. My name is John Kieran and let me just read right across my screen. Arthur Doyle. >> Atha Doyle, commission member. >> Ingred >> Ingred Batty, commission member. >> Charlie >> Charlie Bosworth, commission member. >> Wendy.
>> Hi, good evening. I'm Wendy Garpo, one of the commissioners. >> And Tom >> Tom Palmer, commission member. >> All right. Thanks. And I think that's all I I'll have to keep looking to make sure I get everybody in.
We've had and for the members of the public, I'm sort of stuck between Crow Magnum Man and Neanderthal Man when it comes to computers. And we lost our our regular host. Uh Steve Ivis uh is out on medical leave and uh and so is uh Phil
Driscoll. So I'm just filling in. So, I just want to remind myself to keep looking to make sure I admit everybody. But, we're ready to go. We've got a fairly short agenda, so we can move right along. Number one on the agenda is 15 I'm sorry, 5:15 Blue Hills Parkway. Uh, and we've got a lot of material
here. Uh, so it was good to be able to take a look at this in advance. So, thank you very much. Who is presenting to us tonight? >> I am. My name is Garrett Tunison. I'm with Tunis Environmental Consultants. I am the uh consultant for the applicant.
>> Oh, great. Thank and and I have to start by saying, you know, we pride ourselves and trying to advance the project uh quickly and and be kind of user friendly. So, I'm going to sound like a little bit form of substance, but I do note that your wetlands delineation is
out of date. Um, and I'm wondering if if you could update that for us. I certainly can and yes it took a little while for the project to be designed. So uh yes I don't think it's going to move much just because of the conditions but
we c I certainly can go out and uh double check refresh uh refresh flags if it moved at all I can update not an issue. >> All right that's perfect. And I actually have a question because I can't see on the maps whether and I and I see both the 100 foot line and the 200 foot line,
but I can't tell where the brook stops and the and the pond starts, so to speak. >> Not that it matters. It's just that I I'm curious. >> Basically, um the pond was not on the property. So any of the pond or would be
riverfront because of the flow through the pond by the stream. Um basically the engineer took the bank the location of the bank uh from the air uh orthophagraphs and placed at that
location placed the bank delineation that was not done in the field because it's not on the property. It's nowhere near the property. So they that's how that was done. the as far as of course the um wetland which I believe is a BVW. I believe it drains down into the pond.
I believe it's connected. We're calling it a BVW to bank of an you know the pond. Um it would you know qualify as a BVW and it was delineated of course in the field by uh hydrophites or wetland vegetation and uh hydric soils and
evidence of hydrarology. >> All right. Good. Uh it it's a it's a pretty sensitive area to us uh for obvious reasons. It's a beautiful resource, but we also own the land. Um and we were out there recently
um with a for an inspection. We're putting in a pedestrian bridge at the south end of the Pope's Pond to go over Pine Tree Brook. So we were right in sort of in your backyard. Um, and I if Philip were here, um, I'd be able to ask
him, but I'm actually curious. You may just, you may know this, but do you know where the the town easement is and what number? There's a there's a paper roadway that goes between some of the houses. We couldn't figure We were out there about three weeks ago. We couldn't
figure it out. >> I I do not. Sorry. >> Okay. All right. Um All right. John, it is on the town GIS map. >> Yeah, I I know what we I was out there with Marina Fernandez
and some others, the Andrew Laskkey, professor from the the school of engineering at Northeastern. Um, and so we had a we had a a good sitewalk and Darwin Sevelis was there as well and but
we didn't have the map with us. Okay, >> that's why we were kind of struggling because we wanted to know where we were. And then right after that, I I saw this particular application. So, I was I was curious, >> John. It's between 563 and 575 Blue Hill Parkway.
>> All right. That's that's really helpful, Tom, because we were trying to figure out if there was access if we needed to have heavy equipment, um, you know, sort of a boom truck of some kind to lower the the pieces of the bridge. Yeah, one side wide. >> What's that?
>> It looks about 50 feet wide. I'm looking at the town GIS. >> All right, good. >> No, I'm a mass mapper. >> All right, thanks. All right. And I didn't mean to get distracted, Garrett. I apologize to you, too. Can you get back and just tell us what what the plan is, including the demolition?
>> So, basically, to my understanding is um you know, there's two houses that are being proposed. Each one is approximately 200 feet by 100 feet in size. Um, and they're located everything is located upgradient in the lawn and uh
in the area of the existing structures. So, there's a there is a single family house currently on the lot and there is a large concrete slab. And last time I was out there, which has been a little while, but I have I took photos and I,
you know, I did a detailed analysis, there was a a uh concrete slab and there was also a on a portion of that slab or adjacent to that slab was a dilapidated shed, sizable one. So, that was in the back of the house.
Um, so that had a asphalt driveway and it had a couple other areas of uh concrete um behind like a patio behind the house. So that's what I saw when I was out there and that's what I took photos of. So everything is pretty much
for the most part is in the 50 to 100 foot buffer zone except on lot um is it lot believe it's lot one which is located uh I think the closest Yeah. Okay. It's lot two. The closest
location is 58.4T. So it's outside of the 50 foot outside of the 50 foot portion of the 100 foot buffer zone. So it's and it's in the lawn and in the area where the the closer location is in the lawn and
it's also occurs um in the area where that concrete slab and shed are located which is on lot two that's not lot one. So, uh, basically both homes would impact approximately 12,927
square ft of buffer zone, the 50 to 100 foot buffer zone in the lawn and in those con in the impervious areas. So, um there's they're not uh really impacting much in the way of uh vegetation other than lawn. So, there
may there were a couple of trees back there. I don't know if they're being taken down. I think that they were outside of that area. Uh maybe one of them is being taken down, but it's mostly just lawn and there are couple of little landscaped areas with a couple of small
shrubs last time I was out there. So that was a couple of years ago. So um so that's or three years ago that's when that was done. Um let's see what else. So I explained the closest location that's 58.4 4 feet on
lot two and it's closest to flag A10. Do you um does anybody have any questions as far as the plans? I do have them. If you would like to share your would you like to share your screen? I can bring them up if you'd like. >> Yeah, that might I've got them in front of me, but it might be helpful for um
everybody >> else viewers. Yes. So, >> and and there's one comment I I think on uh let me make sure I get this one right on uh hang on a second because I think it's >> Sure.
>> Um one of them is missing. Uh, oh, I I know C2. I it C2 just needs the 25 foot um uh designation. The line is there and
it's on C1, but it's not on C2. >> Okay, >> that that's that's an easy fix. >> All right. Do I have to help you with the screen sharing? >> Uh, yes. You have to you have to allow me access. Um, and if I knew how to do that. How am I doing? Did you get it?
>> Uh, uh, it said it was disabled. Let me try again. >> You are screen sharing. That's just me. How do I I need to share it with you. >> Yes, it says host disabled participant screen sharing. >> Didn't Steve used to say you have to
make him a host? Um, yeah, but that's what I'm uh I'm struggling with that. >> Yeah, >> you know, where's Steve Ivis and Phil Driscoll when you need him >> or you um I'm not doing very well in screen
sharing. You are >> says that I'm sharing >> and I apologize. I don't know. Um, you know, I'm I'm on a lot of these, but I'm typically just the guest, so I apologize as well. >> No. Well, I apologize because I'm not usually the host and that's my
responsibility. Um, I actually don't see anybody know what what to look for trying to move. I'm just uh I'm striking out stop share
and then go back and start share. >> You figured out how to share your screen. Yes, that's that's what it is. >> Yeah, I know. I'm I'm It looks like I'm sharing mine but not yours. So, I'm striking out. So, just uh
>> Sorry. Sorry. Okay. >> Describe >> I I can Yes, I can describe it. No, no problem. Uh so basically um what's being proposed is the um the single family homes and they have a deck
on the back side of the homes towards the uh the wetlands. Um but it's still outside of the 50oot buffer zone. So that is what's being proposed um on lots both lots one and
two. So the uh on lot one, it's kind of nestled between the structure of the house in the center of the backside is the patio. So that's how they have it structured. And then on lot two, uh
there's a patio on the if looking at the house from the street towards the wetland. um on the left side of the of the proposed house on lot two in the back would be the patio and then on the
right side would be the deck. So basically it's a rectangle. Twothirds of the rectangle would be the deck and then the left oneird would be the patio. Also, um since there is an increase in
um imperous area, there would be an increase on lot one of,480 square ft of imperous area. the uh roof uh drainage and the patio drainage
is currently proposed to go to subsurface infiltration um infiltration units. So the storm water would be would go uh into the ground into these chambers and it would be uh you know like galleys. So it would
be able to sit and then slowly uh leech out into the the soil to um you know avoid um overland flow of storm water and uh to reduce any potential pollutant load from you know like atmospheric
deposition of nitrates or phosphate or uh that would also result in say like animal waste like bird droppings or you know small mammals or whatever. So it wouldn't go from those impervious areas onto the lawn. And if we had, you know,
and if so, the drainage is being captured from the imperous areas, including the roof and the patio. So that's what's being proposed on both lots. >> You've got 181 increase on lot one. What about lot two?
>> One. It's 1,480 square ft on lot one. And then the increase on lot two because it currently has uh more impervious area because of the shed and the concrete slab and the part
of the house. Um it's um or the driveway I believe it's the driveway. It's 170 square ft would of increase in pvious area on lot two. So it's pretty small. Um the total area of the proposed
project on lot one would occur in 6,327 square ft and on lot two would be 6,600 square ft. And again these areas are already highly disturbed. Um the wetland itself you may
have noticed there were se uh quite a few invasive plants also in in the wetlands. So are on the edge between the the lawn and the wetlands. So we did see you know numerous species like uh oriental bittersweet, autumn olive,
tartarian honeysuckle, glossy buckthornne. Those are the ones I recall from being on the site and there they were all documented in the notice of intent. Um so and I I know I was looking for a tree survey and I think when I went through
it I I found it. Do you have a tree survey for those coming down? >> Uh, I didn't see it, but um, we I didn't do a tree survey myself. Uh, I don't know if anyone did. Uh, a
lot of this >> I have I have pictures that show the trees, but I can't share them. Right. I was just looking online and it says if the host >> hosts can share if the host clicks the
arrow by the share button and selects enable all participants. Do you have a up >> I'm looking at that but I don't see enable all participants. That's that's what I can't find. Yeah, the host can click the upward arrow next to the share
screen button, select sharing options, and change who can share to all participants. >> We This is one of my pet peeves, but what I'm looking at is an AI assist in doing that. That's that's the problem I'm
having. Um >> um so you don't you don't get that option when you click the up arrow by share if you're in the Zoom thing. >> It just says do you want to share? And I say yes. Uh in meeting workflow
>> it says select advanced sharing options and change who can share to all participants. >> It says you are screen sharing now but I think that's >> that's yourself. Yeah, that's right. >> As a host, you're supposed to have
>> more functionality. >> I know. Nick Milano was the one that saved me on this because we didn't have a host and he he just made me the host, but um I I'll have to follow my sword on this one. I don't I don't know how to do
it. But the point Tom is that we need to have a um um I don't screen documents advanced >> I don't see it. Um >> I >> So in any event, going back to Garrett, I think what we need is a tree survey as
to what's coming down because they to be replaced. >> Yes. Yeah. I I don't know if there are any trees. I have to I would have to double check, but I uh I do have photos, but they're not I didn't see any trees in my photos, but I didn't see a lot of the backyard in my photos either, so I'm
not certain. >> There were two two very large ones in the backyard. Really big. >> Okay. >> But that was in 2023 and they may have been cut since then. >> Okay. I can I can I'll definitely check
that and if they're um if trees exist I will go and do the uh grab the DBH's and give you the species and their locations. I can do that. So I was just doing that today for Mass Highway out in Littleton. So, >> well, I think don't we have a policy
that if you cut trees over 3 inch diameter breast height in the buffer as part of your project, you have to replace them proportionally. And that's why we ask for the survey because if there is a tree back there, for
instance, that's 30-inch diameter, we would ask you to either plant 10 3-in trees or uh more shrubs than that to replace the same diameter inches of woody plants. That's our policy and
that's why we'd like to have this list. >> Yeah. If I'll I'll check that. There's no issue with that. If if uh if they're there, I'll grab them for you. If not, we'll figure we'll figure it out. Um we'll put some mitigation in for that if they're not. >> Site property identifies Norway maples
in the um the tree layer. So, >> okay. So, those are invasive. Um >> Yeah, they sure are. >> Yep. Yeah. That does mean they're not replaced, though. >> That's right. So you okay you do replace the
invasives? >> Yes. Well, >> no way maples we do. Not >> not with Norways, but maybe uh northern white oak or red oak or uh >> preferably. >> Yeah. Or I'll take a look. Um I I red maple. I have a plant list from when I
did the wetland delineation. I always put a plant list in my reports. So I will check to see what I have and then I will provide that to to your office. So the conservation office um and then uh you know I'll mention what I feel we we can replace or what we should replace.
Uh given your guidance here we'll make sure we have the if it's 10 trees per a 30-inch tree we'll do 20 you know uh 20 trees. Do you have a recommended size? I usually recommend 18 to 24 in because
they don't stress as easy. Um, but it it's again uh certain towns, Brain Tree, they ask for like one and a half inch, which is really big. Um, but and I know the larger ones stress if you're not there watering them constantly. So, um,
what do you prefer? We prefer the the larger ones because it's going to make it easier for you to u, you know, match the circumference or match the diameter how however you measure it. doesn't it it works both ways whether you do diameter at breast
height or or circumference at breast height >> but if you replace the full amount um it's it's easier if you if you're replacing them with two and a half or 3 inch trees >> um or twoinch trees it's it's it may be
you know a cost factor in there somewhere but you're going to have if you've got you know 30 you're going to have 15 2inch trees or 10 3-inch trees. Okay. So, >> and again the performance standard is the same. It's 75% survival.
>> Okay. >> Um after two I we always say two years. I know I know the reg say two growing seasons but um >> yes >> that's two years. >> Yeah it is. >> John, do you want to go over the fact that they don't necessarily all have to
be on site? >> You do have that like Brainree has that option. Okay. >> Right. Yeah, we have a we have a sort of a virtual inventory. So, you can pay and it's $700 per tree to pay into the I
don't want to call it a bank because some people, you know, give, you know, credit at a at a nursery. Um, some people plant them elsewhere. Um, and the town can use those trees in the inventory, the virtual inventory, uh, so that they can put them on, you know,
public ways and sidewalk trees and whatnot. >> Yes. So, it actually goes into a big bang for the town. >> Yes. So, I'll talk to the client and um the architect who are the more or less the principles on this project to see what they'd like to do and I we'll
definitely get back to you on that one. >> All right. Time time wise. Now, typically, you know, when when we approve the wetlands delineation, we go out and take a a view uh and we try to do it in such a fashion that we don't slow you down. Um, but if you're going to reflag uh how much time do you need
because we can do it within the next couple of weeks, three weeks maybe. >> I I can do it very quickly. I don't have an issue. And um I I will likely it'll probably likely be and I don't I'm not certain because things do change, but it'll likely be um refreshing the flags
and I will check between each flag making sure the soils uh haven't changed the vegetation and if there's if we have wetland conditions I will of course expand it or I I'm don't think it's going in reverse. So we'll see if it if it's gotten larger. If it has, then I'll
mark those locations and then we could do either an offset or have the engineer pick uh the surveyor pick it up. >> Okay. >> Right. That's perfect. Uh from conservation commission members perspective, what's a good Saturday in the next three weeks?
We'll start with you know the first one. I think what's our meeting date? I think it's May 4 11 12th. May 12th. So work backwards from there. So um
next Saturday is what the 21 20th >> uh >> 18th 18th 19th. Yes. >> So Garrett, that that may not give you enough time. >> No. And I I actually I I work with
Sustainable Plymouth. Um um and I I am uh managing a booth for the Herring Festival. >> So I apologize that I will not be available for that one. Um but the next one I will have my son, but it would I I don't see an issue. I can still >> That's perfect. How old
>> he's uh he's going to be 16. So he's good. >> That's good. Um >> what's what's the date for the the next one? That's April >> 25. >> Yeah. 25. Yep. April 25th. How's that sound to you, Arthur? >> Good.
>> It's good for me. Uh, uh, I'm gonna skip you, Ingred. Um, Wendy. >> Yeah, you're on mute, Wendy. >> Sorry about that. Um, I'm afraid I'm going to be out of town that weekend, but please don't >> Tom, you good?
>> Uh, what date are we talking about? April 25th. >> Um, yeah, I could do that. >> All right. Uh, Jolly >> out of town on the 25th, John. >> Actually, sorry. The 25th is actually the That's the day of the Herring
Festival. I apologize. I'm I'm looking at it. It's not in my calendar. I just checked. >> So, I apologize. I I would be available um the 18th. I would be available uh May 2nd. I'd be available. Those are no issue. So, I apologize.
>> Okay, let's let's start over again. Um, Arthur, how are you on the 18th? >> Um, I can do the 18th or the 2nd of May. Um, two May would be preferable, but I'll do the 18th. Anything for you, John.
>> Thanks, Anthony. Okay, I can do either one. Wendy, can you do one of those two dates? >> Um, no. I'm I'm afraid I'm out of town every weekend until the middle of May. Okay. Tom Bama, >> I could do either.
>> Um, uh, what do we tr >> uh, out of town the 18th and the second, John? >> All right, we're striking out there. So, the only one we can rely upon is, uh, Hans at this point. Am I skipping? I
don't think I am. Um, so that's that only gives us three for those two days. Um why don't we why don't we set a date tentatively? Uh and you said May 2nd. Um is is preferable for you, Arthur?
>> Yeah, I either two or 18. >> Um okay. Well, I I can do either one. I was just trying to make it most convenient for most people because I'm going to call Hans and make sure that, you know, he'll be able to attend. But why don't we set a tenative date of May? Why don't we hold them both and then
just uh go with what Hans say has >> that okay with you Karen? >> Yeah, certainly. Now >> all right, we'll we'll do that. So we and that's a public hearing. It's going to be announced. It's a public meeting and and we can vote at at that time. Um
so we try not to, you know, put up time roadblocks for you. Uh we try to get it done as as quickly as we can. So, we'll hold both of those dates and uh I I think I I believe that uh Philip Crystal will be back in action within a few
days. Um he's laid up a little bit right now, but I think he's on the mend. So, he'll be back and he's the one with whom you can coordinate. First of all, do you know Philip and how to get a hold of him? >> I don't know him that well. I know Steve well, but uh pretty well, but uh I don't
know Philip. I I we've interacted a little bit. I have a I have some emails from him. I sent the um the uh green cards to him and the receipts so that he'd have them. >> All right. So, you you've got his email then. Then >> yes, I I I do have his email. >> Stay stay in touch with him. I I didn't
want to so I I think you know we can continue the case until either the 18th or the 2nd of May for a public meeting uh with the ascent of the applicant. Um but in addition to that, I want to are there any other questions from commissioners as to the project itself?
Yes, >> Chan. >> Um, I'm going to be a little critical here, Mr. Don. I hope you don't mind. I I got this very heavy package and uh as I'm looking through it, many many pages
weren't written by you, but are instead lengthy quotations from the regulations, which I already have and I can get them online. And uh I just feel like this submission is filled out with a lot of
stuff that you didn't write. And uh I just would rather see a wiener submission that doesn't weigh so much. Um as we were you were talking >> to save the trees, Garrett.
>> Right. We were talking about your plant list. That was of interest to me. Do you have it in front of you? >> Um, I I can pull it up. Yeah, I have I have the uh the list and I apologize. That's um it's I get either people love
the wetland uh uh wetland resource area delineation report, which is what you're referring to. Um some people love it. It's just the methodology on how uh the wetland delineation was performed, how we did it. So that's
>> it was 10 pages 10 pages before anything that you wrote. >> Yes, you're right. Section five, that's where it starts. So uh yes, you are correct. Um that's just um what it basically explains anybody that um I
look at this there are a lot of commissioners and I I you know I really appreciate people that are say I want to do something and do something correct and they come and they may not know this is something that I do every day. I'm I'm well verssed in it but a lot of
people don't know. So, I provide that information if you read through it and explains why I did what I did and how I did it and what I'm that's basically the reference, but you you all right, I get it. Yeah, you know, it's true. Well,
everything you're saying is true, but I would say that a lot of commissioners are already familiar with this material. Um, as we go on to the plant list, I'm a botist. And if you look at the uh second page, you have a a plant called Six
Daphnoides or uh Violet Willow. And I just went on I naturalist where I go all the time. Yes. >> And I learned that that's only been recorded once in the continental US in Minnesota. So that made me a little bit
>> that. Yeah. I don't >> All right. If you go down, >> if you go down few plants later, you see Virginia saxopra. >> Yes. >> Saxopra Virginia. Now I've been bing in and Milton for 40 years. I've never seen
that. >> So when we have a site visit, I want you to show it to me. >> Yes. >> Um it will be kind of exciting for me to see it. The closest place I've seen it is uh on high on the ledges of Moose Hill and
Sharon. And I mean to go back to see it there again, but at any rate, that sort of stuff on this list doesn't give me the confidence that it was made on site. Um I'm sure it was, but >> I just want to
>> I just want to say that I read this stuff carefully and if I don't point out things that seem to me inaccurate. I don't feel like I'm doing my job. >> As far as the site visit, um, if I could
show those photos that I took in December 23, you would see their deep black ruts at the rear of the yard. And when you see deep black ruts, that often means a soft organic soil. And uh so
it's just my impression from seeing the place that there's significant wetlands in the lawn area and also that they'll be hard to flag because all you will have for plants is the lawn grasses. So
when we do get there, I think we're going to have to look hard at those soils. And I just suspect that there might be more extensive wetlands than the flag show. But that remains to be seen. But um I just thought I would give
you >> I have a background in soils. Uh and I looked at the soils when I looked at them >> there was uh and also when you look at that surface I agreed that there is a deep black layer. Um it it looked like the lom was pretty thick along it kind
of came up and it was it wasn't um wasn't an OA layer at the time when I looked at it. Um I I found a lot of I would say about 35% grit. So sand um that was in there. So I
called it I believe a sandom or fine sandom. Um, and it looked more like that. Maybe some of the material when they put the lom down, it might have gone to the low portion, a little bit of that might have ended up. So, it was a little deeper there. But once you get
back a little further and you go down into where the wetland area is, you will find like 62 uh 61 10 yr 51 10 YR um B horizon. And you can see that's clearly depleted. And there is also high chroma
modeling. So you will see it there. The area that I didn't flag at the time when I did it did not contain a hydric B layer. So that was that was very clear. So that was >> yeah that's something I will look forward to looking at with you when
we're there. The ground will be frozen. will be able to see everything and >> and and just just so you know the plant layer the plant list I do that um I typically record it um a video recording and I will list the plants that I find
then I go back I have an um access database and I go and I check off in the access database the plants sometimes I miss a few that were I didn't uncheck from the last time and sometimes I accidentally check one or two so that
might have happened in this situation. I don't know that I try to go I go through it but I don't always catch them. So if I didn't catch them, I apologize. So that's >> that's fine. And I suggest that you take salic staffes off your list. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. You're not going to see it. >> I will we can clearly talk about this in the field. You can see I I know what I'm talking about and I'll gladly do that. Okay. >> Um that's fine. and I thank you for your uh uh listening.
>> Hey, any other commissioners with comments, questions? >> Are there others or members of the public that have a question or would like to make a comment? Uh yeah, I I actually have another question on the demo side of this. Um,
I don't know when the house was built, but what are the precautions for, you know, asbestous control and on the demolition side of the project? >> That's a good question. I do not know. So, um, and I don't know what the schedule is. First, I saw that there was
one house coming down and that the other that the house was coming down and that one of the lots was going to be constructed. Then the other one was added. So, it's been a little bit of back and forth with the engineer and certain things I was not 100% clear about. I did push them on everything
related to the environment and this filing that I do not know. So, those things uh couple things weren't answered. I typically put a construction sequence in my notice of intent exactly what's going to be done. I did not have
the ability to do that on this one. >> All right. And somebody can help me on this one. Charlie, you probably can, but uh am I correct that the demo permit is different than the building permit? >> It is. It's it's a separate permit, John. They'll have to follow the D
requirements if there are any asbestous contaminated materials in the site. They'll have to be abated. So I I I I think that the DP in the demo permit will cover any asbestous abatement. >> Right. But to the extent that the demo
is is also within our jurisdiction, we should probably make sure that that's part of our order of conditions. >> What part of that could we make our order of conditions, John? Um like how would we how would we hold what
would we hold them to? Do we have our own abatement uh procedures at the conservation commission? Uh well yes and no. I mean any alteration on within the jurisdiction
triggers the juris triggers our our jurisdiction and what we we can impose anything to protect the environment and the release of asbestous would be something that would be of concern during the demo process. it would be responded to by the the state rags that we don't have separate town ra to my
knowledge we don't have separate town regulations on asbestous removal but we need some assurance that during the demo project we're not releasing asbestous into the wetlands >> oh agreed I I I guess my question
revolves around what would we what would we be implementing on the project as the commission we if we don't have our own set of regul ations. I'm assuming we are expecting them to follow the D requirements.
>> Oh, anything that's done within our jurisdiction, there's an alteration. Look at the equipment that they're going to have in the uh in the jurisdictional lands in order to demolish that that by itself would require u you know some kind of order of conditions, some
special condition. >> I I Oh, I I understand it would that that it impacts us. My question is what are we asking the developer to implement >> just that the that the demo permit include
uh you know the what I say you know I know I'm I'm getting vague here in terms of terminology what I'm looking for is adherence to the state standards for abatement that the demolition will be constructed
in conformance with uh the state standards governing the removal of asbestous >> which I think it would be reason I think >> I think it would be reasonable to request that in an order of conditions. Yes. >> Right.
That's that's my point. That that's my point that the demolition would be a project that would trigger our jurisdiction and all we'd be looking for is not there's no town bylaw to my knowledge, but we'd be looking for
implementation of the state wetlands protection, >> right, >> which would require conformance with the asbestous abatement regulations. There may be nothing in the wetlands, but Charlie, might there be something in
the building department rags that would reference the state? >> It it doesn't. It is in the way Arthur. It is there >> for the for the demolition. >> No, any alteration. I mean, it it doesn't say demolition.
>> No, no, I'm not talking about one alteration. I'm talking about the demolition issue and whether or not that we have some um information in the building department on demolition requirements that we might be able to reference an
employee. >> Yes, we we do and they're state regs. >> Yeah. >> As to what you must do when you're removing as fastest where it goes. Stephen, >> I have a related question and uh was with respect um
to the erosion control barrier and uh what type of erosion control barrier is being recommended, please. >> Uh yes, it was actually specified. Hold on a sec. I will pull that up. >> I missed that. I saw it on the map, but >> yes, it it's on the plan.
>> You missed it in the narrative. >> Thought I might have put it in probably in the compliance section. Let me take a look. Uh it looks like it's going to be sediment controls will be placed around the sides and rear of the project within the existing lawn to protect the wetland
resource area. These sediment controls will consist of staked and tucked silk fence and staked 9 in diameter straw waddle. That's what the engineer was proposing. >> But, uh, Charlie, you could probably respond because I usually defer to you
and Steve and Hans and on this issue, but what are the ones that we were talking about at our last meeting as being sort of the best management practices? Wasn't it like a silk silk stock? >> Yeah. >> Compost tube. >> Yeah. compost filter tube is what uh
Steve has been leaning towards over the past several years. We've we're getting away from the from the straw waddle and it's and we've gone to the compost filter sock. >> Okay, >> good. We'll have that change. >> There are problems with the straw in
terms of what it might contain >> and also >> after like invasives. >> Yes. And then on top of it, a lot of it's plastic. Uh the the wrapping that that contains the straw is often poly plastic.
>> Yeah. >> Good. Thank you. >> All right. Any other comments, commissioners, members of the public about us? >> Hearing none. I I don't see any hands raised. I don't hear anything. So, we'll continue this with the ascent of the applicant to either April 18th. Uh this
these are Saturdays. We usually start at 8:30 in the morning on site. They are public meetings and we'll be able to vote at that time. >> Okay. >> And with your set, we will continue this through one of those two dates. >> Sounds good. >> Perfect. All right. Thank you very much, Garrett. I appreciate your your time and
input. >> You're welcome. Have a good evening. >> Thanks. Number two on the agenda, request for determination of applicability 255 Canton Avenue. Uh who is going to present for that? >> Isabelle. All right. >> Good evening, commissioners.
Thank you so much for having us. >> Um, my name is Isabelle Ferrar. I'm a member of the Glover Parent Teacher Organization. And, um, with me today are Ellie Fischer, who's one of our co-presidents of the parent teacher organization, and volunteer landscape
architect Cody Klene, who is also a Glover parent and has been helping us um, with this submission. And so we are here this evening. I have the documents pulled up and I'm very h
you know we all are very happy to answer any questions that you may have. Um the we received a grant from the Milton CPC to restore the back field at Glover
Elementary School. currently. Um I know that Ellie walked the grounds with Steve and Wendy of Glover, but if you've been by, you can see it when you're walking on Turner's Pond, and the field is no longer really a field. Uh that might be
a misnomer for it. It's compacted dirt uh when it's dry and it's a muddy mess when it's wet. And so we've received a quote from a Thomas um to till and replant grass on the field. And then uh
we've been working to we would like to plant shade trees around both the play structures, the playgrounds and more around the school to provide shade and mitigate heat. And um we would love to
discuss next steps to get this done. We we received the grant almost a year ago, about nine months ago, and we'd love to get this planted to improve uh the school and the community's enjoyment of that space.
>> Isabelle, I'm going to ask you a kind of a goofy question, but I I don't see Wendy on >> I don't know Wendy. We did lose her. I I don't know at what point we lost her, but she is no longer unfortunately with us at this moment. >> She Yeah, because she's a big supporter.
>> Yes, I know. We were very sad to lose her. >> All right. Well, we we'll we'll get her We'll get her back. Um it sounds like a great plan. I would actually like to see it. I'm well familiar with the area, but one of the reasons I'd like to see it is
that oh, a year and a half ago, we had a sitewalk with DPW. >> Um, and they had >> greatly over spent their budget trying to rehab the the pathway around Turners Pond >> and that corner where it abuts the the
playing field is a real problem. And we we all sat out there and kind of stroked our chins and said, "How do we fix this?" I don't know. >> Uh, we didn't come up with great ideas. We tried, you know, underneath uh underneath the pathway there is some uh pipes, 4in pipes. Um
>> well, I can say it's gotten a lot better. We live right next to Turner's Pond and so literally we walk around Turner's Pond about three times a day with our dog, even when we're not walking to and from Glover. And the work that you did there is much better than
it used to be. >> But that's that's really good news. >> Yeah, absolutely. No, it's the drainage has improved significantly and we're really hoping that by retilling the field and making it so that you know some water drains into the field it will
actually help all of Turner's Pond because more water will stay on the Glover grounds um rather than just you know draining off into Turner's Pond and the surrounding space.
>> Understood. Perfect. I would like I'd like to see it. I This is not to slow you down. >> Yeah. >> Because we're out there on the 18th or the or May 2nd. Is that is that good with you? If we were to visit on the same morning,
>> sorry, you said is that April 18th? >> It's either April 18th or May 2nd. And it depends on uh Hans Van Lingan because we won't have a quorum if if he's not there. We have three. Um, Arthur is available. Tom is available. I'm
available, but we need a fourth. So, I'm counting on um on Arthur because Charlie's >> Charlie's not there. >> I'm at the stage in my life where I'm shackled to suburban sports um here in Milton. So, I would love to meet you all
on either of those days. I can step away from my soccer and softball parenting obligations to meet with you. So, I would love that. the never ending obligations to be in two places at once. That's the the magic uh of parenthood.
>> Um all right, any any questions? Uh it looks like a pretty good plan to me and the funding is coming from CPC which is wonderful. Um >> and also the money raised by the Glover PTO donations >> and I didn't mean to slight them because I know that the parent involvement is is key.
>> Yeah. Critical. So, I should point out that we we put in two different submissions because we inadvertently have already planted some trees. Um, we didn't know we had to ask for permission at the time those trees were planted.
So, you'll see that some trees have already been planted, but then the majority of these trees were asking for your permission prior to planting. >> Okay, good. >> I have a comment, John. >> Yes, go ahead, Tom. Um, I'm looking at
this very good-looking plan by Mr. Klene. It's called planting plan. Uh, Cody Klein, right? That's you, right? >> That's me. >> Um, this is a gorgeous plan that shows all the proposed trees, all the existing
trees, the trees that are already planted by mistake, the trees that are proposed to be planted, exactly where they are and what kind they are. So, everything is here. And I would just say that I'm kind of excited about the group
of five red oaks off to the west side around that. It looks like a sand feature. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's a >> Yeah. >> You may know um the concession stand at Odin's Pond. Um
>> if you go around the back, they have something very similar. Circle of oaks, very big pin oaks rather than red oaks. But now up three feet diameter more and they are just right and uh I think maybe
this could be something similar in the long run. It just seems to me a wellthoughtout plan and I'm pleased we're all going to benefit from it. >> Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I think we we're excited as well. The there was some earlier consideration cuz
you know right now that that play space is really exposed. There's there's very little shade for kids. And there was a lot of discussion about even potentially buying, you know, large and wildly expensive physical structures. And I'm
me being a landscape architect, I'm a proponent of trees. So, I think trees is a good long-term solution that not just our kids, but lots of future kids will also benefit from. >> As those five months are, they're going to have a wonderful canopy. >> Yes.
>> Yes. And we're going to plant them, you know, at at at decent size as well, which we did for the previous uh phase. We we installed three to six inch caliper trees. So, they got some passive shading on those hot blazing facads uh
quickly. So, it's it's been good. >> Wonderful. >> Ingred, any comments on the plant list tree list? >> No, I think it's very nice. >> Good. All right. >> The other thought that I had on trees is
you're going to need a nice watering program. >> Yes. >> And so, we're very mindful of that. The first round of trees that we planted, we lined up uh volunteers. We had hoses and lined up volunteers to water them all summer and you know
through this sorry the spring, summer and fall and so we're very mindful of um doing that again and you know expanding the watering program. >> Yeah, we installed gator bags on all the trees and there was someone responsible for filling them up and they've been
>> they've they've done quite well so we're we're happy. >> We still let them go on vacation this summer. Yeah. Yes. >> All right. Well, you've all received high compliments from the conservation commission, so thank you for your work.
>> Thank you. So, may I ask, what are the next steps? I I know that we're meeting with you all to walk the site, but you know, we're we're very focused on getting these plants in the ground um as you said, to benefit the kids and the community. And so we're just curious
what our next steps are. >> Um this is called a request for determination of applicability. That's kind of the short form >> procedure. When we visit you on either the 18th or the second, that will be a public meeting and we will vote there.
>> And if you hear the word negative, that's a that's a good thing. Okay? Okay? Because what we're saying is that you do not have to file a notice of intent which is you'd end up at the same place because it's a good it's a good project. Uh, it's just it costs like another I don't know another $100 or
something and it's a little bit longer form >> but I anticipate I can't prejudge the vote but I anticipate you'll get a negative determination with certain conditions and the conditions will be easy like when if you
if you bring in like a mini excavator to dig a hole to plant the tree, you can't refuel the mini excavator within our jurisdiction and you're within our jurisdiction. So, you can't refuel it there. Um, and the and the contractor will say to you, "Yeah, I know, right?
We're just kind of stating the obvious." And you can't store it there overnight within our jurisdiction. So, you get that kind of a a special condition. I don't think you'll need any kind of erosion uh protection because you're going to dig a hole, put the tree in, and fill it right back up again. So, I
don't think you you need any erosion uh protection for the plant >> for for the lawn. I mean, not not to make our our jobs harder, but for the lawn, I think we will, but I've noted what you said about the silk socks, and I've been living with like the
disintegrating cream plastic around Turner's Pond. >> So, we'll be sure um that, you know, any erosion control is like you've requested, the the silk sock version of the erosion control,
>> right? And I I should add on special conditions for lawnwise um uh we do require that you use either no or low nitrogen uh on any type of fertilizer. >> Yeah. Yep. >> Okay. >> Yep. Okay.
>> But that would be but what it is it's a negative determination which is good >> is what we want. Okay. Wonderful. >> You don't want another form to to file uh with those special conditions but they're they're conditions that you can live with and support. Okay. Wonderful.
>> Okay. >> So, and stay in touch. You know, it will be announced on the town website, but if you stay in touch with Phil Driscoll at the at the DPW Yes. office, um he can tell you >> communicating with him. So, perfect. >> That's perfect. And then we'll be able
to tell you and the only holdup is trying to figure out when we can get a quorum. If we can do it on the 18th, we'll do it on the earlier date. If it's not available, we'll we'll have to wait until May 2nd. Okay. But one of those two dates we'll see what turn is spawned and it'll
probably be um you know 9:15 something like that because we're on we'll go to Blue Hills Parkway first and then we'll head over to Glover School. >> Well, I'll certainly hold that time and um I'll coordinate with Ellie and Cody
um so that as many of us are available as can be. >> I would love to walk and talk about plants with this group. So hopefully I can make it. >> All right, that's perfect. Good good news to all. Thank you. I I didn't ask I don't see anybody else, but are there
any uh members of the public that I can't see that wanted to make a comment or ask a question? >> I don't see any hands raised and I don't hear anything. So I think we're good to go. We'll see you on either the 18th or the second. >> And do I need to give do I need to give
notice of the next hearing to the abutters or No. >> No. Okay. So, we'll we'll we'll take care of that posting. It's a public meeting posting. Um, so we'll take care of that. >> Wonderful. Well, thank you so much. I'm going to go put my kids to bed. Lovely
to speak with you and we're really excited about this project and really value your input. So, thank you very much. >> Good news. Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Wendy is in the uh waiting room. >> What's that? >> She's in the waiting room. You need to
let her in, Wendy. Oh, should we we can wait in case >> she's coming back. We'll have to find out where she went. >> So, she said she's in the waiting room and you just you need to let her in. >> No, I No, I see her. I let her in. She She's coming up.
>> Oh, terrific. Terrific. >> My connection often drops without any warning. >> Yeah. Are you back, Wendy? If you if you can hear me, you're on mute. I can't see you, but it says
joining. >> So, it might be her internet. >> Maybe we can ask AI to make her for us. Are you there? >> Wendy, it sounds like as well as >> you may have to mute one of the computer
or the phone. >> Okay. >> Are you in? >> It It says you're in. John, can you hear me? >> Yes, we can hear you. >> Hi, I'm so sorry. I'm having heck of computer problems. I'm not sure what's
going on. >> You went to the same computer school that I did. >> Uh I I think there's smoke coming out of my laptop at the moment. But >> not to worry. you took some compliments in your absence because we all know that
you're a supporter of the of this particular project. So, we thank you for your input. Everybody thanked you for your input. >> Oh, well, thank you. Is are we on are we on the Glover project? Is that >> Yeah, we just wrapped it up. >> Oh,
>> we just finished it. We're gonna have a sidewalk. Wendy. >> Okay. Wendy sitewalk on either the um either one of the dates that we cited earlier, >> the 18th or the 2nd. >> Um I I wanted to share something with
you guys about about Glover School, if I may. >> Yes. Um, so a couple of weeks ago I was um I was in Washington DC and um I was meeting with some of our our legislators
about some environmental issues and had the pleasure of meeting with one of the staff people at Elizabeth Warren's office, Senator Warren's office. And would you guys believe that she is the
staff person is an alumni of Glover School. >> Oh, great. >> Yes. and and she is a recent enough graduate that she actually is um very familiar and remembers um her time
getting to walk the baby ducks through um through the hallways and the playground of at Glover. So >> that's pretty good. >> I know. I know. >> Yeah. >> Has she made it all the way to the high school yet?
>> The the staff person? Yeah. >> You said she was just out in Glover recently. >> Well, I mean, she's she's a grownup. She lives in Washington, DC. >> All right. >> She works on the hill.
But but I mean it I I think the the the mother ducks have been nesting in the outdoor classroom for what, 20 years, Ellie? Is that about right? Do you know? >> Um yeah, it's been quite a while. Um I believe it was Marita Cronin um who
introduced the malards to the pond and then they started nesting in the in the outdoor classroom um shortly after that space had been built and we had a little bit of a break um with the malards
during COVID um and just last year we had them back for the first time in maybe about three or four years and we had two malards nesting in the space. So, um I'm hoping that over April break the malards will start scouting again
and um come back to for another generation. >> Please let me know, Ellie, if you guys need additional doulas on hand. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Thank Thanks all. Um, next on
the agenda is certificate of compliance Milton Woods 175 Governor's Sto Lane. Um, Arthur, will you uh take over and I will disappear? I have recused myself
historically from this and I will do so again. Um, for anyone members of the public, my law firm represents policy development. Not not in this case, uh, or not for this project, but in in other matters in several different states. So,
I will disappear and Arthur, could you text me or something? >> We'll shout out. >> Definitely. >> Right. Perfect. Thanks. Thanks all. >> Okay. Okay. We have the documents for this everyone. um
from our pokey homes and the March 1, 2022 um letter from Paul Mianda which a number of us will remember. Uh Dave, are you here for this particular matter? If so, uh welcome.
>> Hi. >> And um we'll turn it over to you for uh introduction and uh status at the present time. >> Sure. Uh my name is Dave Fra and I'm with Mashand and Associates. We were the the engineers for the project
and um this is as you know it's been off and on for the last few years. I think the initial plantings in the buffer zone were done in 2018 and there have been subsequent um replantings in 2023 and again in 2025.
>> Right. Um, and at this point we're asking for the certificate of compliance. We had um Scott Fischer from SWCA do an inspection last year.
And although all of the plantings that were originally planting did not survive and we think due to a couple of reasons. Um there were some deer observed uh
multiple occasions out there and grazing on the plants, but we do uh contend that this is fully established at this point. Uh 100% established with vegetation. Some of it has survived, some of its
native and volunteer species, but all of the restoration areas are thriving at this point. And I think if I recall correctly, we had a sitewalk um um related that is
correct with Steve Ivers that others >> on the call tonight may have been there as well. >> Possibly Wendy that may be familiar with you. >> Um I'm trying to remember in the back of my mind who may have been on the sidewalk.
>> Any questions from the commissioners? Um, I do. Uh, John, excuse me, Arthur. Oh, >> go ahead. >> I have looked at the materials and the plans, Mr. Ferrar. Thank you. They're
pretty, uh, remarkably thorough. Uh, I wasn't on the commission when this was permitted, but I'm familiar with the site. My first question is uh would you say that most of the plannings you're talking about are associated with a I
think there are six or seven infiltration basins. >> Yes. So they are around the infiltration basins. Um there are a couple of other areas around the site where
where they were planted. um not necessarily just at the detention basins, but along the entrance way where you first come off of Anquity Road, there was some plantings up there and then behind the first few lots on the left, there was
also some plantings. I'm looking at your color photos which are really remarkably helpful and >> helping me understand and uh it does seem that all these areas
are fully vegetated in fact so fully vegetated that it makes me wonder will it happen that the floors of these basins could be overgrown? Is there is there a
maintenance um condition that provides they will be kept open? >> Um there typically is part of the operations and maintenance plan as part of the notice of intent. I
do not have a copy of that right now. >> All right. Um >> um that's usually something that is is part of that. >> It could become an issue down the road. Um, I'd just like to say that uh I've lived in the area. I've been keeping an
eye on this project and I never saw in the whole history of the project any dirt come down that road. Not one day did I say see any dirty runoff coming down the road. And if if you go
to the project, you'll notice that infiltration basins are a kind of a ladder going up the hill. >> Yes. And so there's no point at which a basin has to accept flow from a very large area. It's all they all have their
contributing areas. And to this day, I haven't been able to figure out if any water is getting underquitty road toward Pine Tree Brook. Doesn't matter how much rain there is. I never see any coming out of that
project. So, it's just my impression that as far as storm water goes, this was done about as well as it can be done just from how it looks right now. And uh I'd just like to congratulate you on a plan that
seems to have worked. >> Oh, well, thank you very much. We appreciate that. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Uh anything else from members of the commission? And so we uh have a request relative to
the certificate of compliance. We have um the engineering plan uh with the materials. We have uh Mike uh the letter to Mike Rosardi from Scott Fiser dated June 19th, 2025.
Materials look complete. There are no other questions. Is there a motion uh to accept the and issue the certificate of compliance? >> So move. >> Thank you. Good. Is there a second?
>> I'll second that. >> Thank you. Good time. Uh any comments from commissioners or members of the public, please? Hearing none. We'll do a roll call vote, please. Ingred,
>> hi. >> Wendy, >> yes. >> Tom, >> yes. >> Dolly, >> yes. >> And Alpha, yes. So, it is unanimous. Uh Dave,
>> yes. We thank you for your time. >> All right. Thank you. >> And please pass along the compliments that we shared with you to other members of your team. Yeah. >> We've worked with for an extended number of years. It's got to be close to two
decades. >> It it's it's been a little while. Yep. >> Only about two years all together, but that's okay. >> All right. Thank you very much. Have a good night. >> You too. Thank you. >> Take care.
>> I'll call John. I've dialed him and let's see if he can come in. Okay, John. >> Thank you. >> So, you're done with >> We are uh we accepted u certificate of
compliance was adopted. >> Oh, perfect. Uh, and I have the information for the minutes on that in terms of the vote. >> All right, perfect. Um, so that takes us to number four, which is new business. Um, anybody have new business?
I've got a couple of things to report, but I'll I'll wait for anybody else. >> I guess I guess the first piece of new business is um Ingred. Um, if you don't know, Ingred has submitted her resignation after 19 years
of >> service of good service. >> And I, you know, I >> I I' I've never been shy about telling people um how valuable your insight has
been, Ingred. And in ter if you don't know Ingred's background in u u chemistry and biology, she's a PhD in some unknown thing that's too complicated for me to
>> unknown thing. But you know you've been our resource ingrid for all these years for decades now in terms of you know MSDS you know if somebody's like the MBTA is is submitting their vegetation management plan or Wallist Golf Course is is
submitting their application to use particular algides. I I don't even know what an elderside is but you do. And that you've been of inestimable value to the to the conservation commission. So, I I am very grateful. We're all very
grateful for your years of service >> and I had a blast. It was fun and very gratifying work. >> That does that include getting stung by bees? >> Oh my gosh. You know, every time I drive
on Randolph Avenue and I look to my right, you know, I I have flashbacks. >> I I bet you do. But I have to say you you were one of the fastest moving human beings I've ever seen.
>> All that training. >> And Ingred, how about that frozen tundra like Saturday that we spent? >> Oh my gosh. >> Remember that one? >> Couldn't feel my fingers. >> Oh, it was the two of us, I think, only, wasn't it? >> Exactly.
>> Yeah. Oh my gosh. At the at the natural gas site with >> Precisely. Yeah. >> It's like going to the North Pole. >> Bitter cold. Bitter cold. And we were all bundled up, too, and it was just unbearable. >> Yeah.
>> Wow. >> I I I would and I I had talked to Ingred before this and I asked, >> you know, the obvious question, how are we going to replace you? Um and and it's it's a more difficult question to answer than you know it you
might think at first blotss of people that would uh serve the conservation commission well but is if anybody has any ideas as to how we could possibly attempt to we'll never succeed but to replicate the the skill set that you
have provided to the commission >> and I'll continue to look um like I say I did I thought I might might you convinced my my former colleague David Johnson who um we also was at mint with
me now he's I don't know where he is right now but you know he's he's got a PhD in a bio biology discipline and and a JD as well um but he you know he he thought about it and then he got back to me and said I I don't think I can do it.
Um but I'll I'll continue to sniff around and keep you posted if I do find anything. Um, the kicker is resident of Milton. That's, you know, >> it is. And I I talked to Nick Milano and said, "Nick, I I don't know if there's
any way to that we could ever replicate what what we've got in the person with Ingred." Um but he said why don't you why don't you come up with some language um for posting on the website to invite
people uh with that kind of biology and and chemistry background >> lot and that's that's not to exclude other people with other skill sets but it's ys is going to be a tough one to replace um so I I what I said to Nick is that we
talk about it tonight and see if uh if there sort of a consensus that we can just invite people. Not not to say that, you know, we or anyone would select a person, but just to put on the website the conservation commission would be
very appreciative of service by a biochemist or somebody with that kind of skill set, >> right? that that sound reasonable for that if we were to put that invitation out because we do have the datab bank um
that that this town is I I don't know what it's called. Arthur, do you know what it's called? There's >> all positions that are availab title of it. >> And Lynon can help with that. >> Yeah. All right. And I know there there are
lots of people that would enthusiastically volunteer um and they they probably would be great. Um but I think we ought to make an effort to replace the the skill set because we do need different facets of expertise.
Anyway, all right. I I'll talk to Nick and just have some kind of a generic uh we'd love to have somebody with a science background particularly in the areas of biochemistry. A good, will you be moving out of town? Will you be changing your residency, if I may ask, or?
>> No, I'm I'm staying put. I'm staying, but I'm I'm on the board of another organization now. That's taking up a lot of time. And in the summertime, I plan to be away on my boat a lot. And, you know, I was thinking about, you know,
last last year, you know, I missed a whole bunch of meetings in, you know, through through the summer. Um, so that that sort of factored in. So I want to be doing more cruising. >> Yeah,
>> I I tried to offer her more money, but >> I know compensation package is very generous. The thought hit me, John, um that there are some towns, some
communities that have alternate commissioners. So, they're not um permanent appointees by the select board, but they're appointed as an alternate to pitch in if one of the
permanent appointees is not available. So maybe at some point in time we could do a little bit of homework or if you want me to take a look at that if if uh we have some very good qualified people in town
who haven't moved out of town and might be available sometimes during the year but not all the times who might serve in the capacity as an alternate commissioner. >> No, that that's a a creative thought. I and it's a town council thought because I think the wetlands protection act
actually suggests that the town you know must appoint the you know a certain it's not always the same. It's not always seven. I think you can have a different number but I don't know what the state law requires but I think that's a it's a good thought. I know that like the
zoning board of appeals does that. they have people that they can move around and sit for a particular project or but not all projects that's it's worth exploring and and uh >> okay >> I've got a meeting set up I've had a
number of meetings which is another issue that I want to talk about at 88 Milton Street I've had a number of meetings with John Flynn who is still doing town council work even though he's even though the town has moved on to Copelman and Paige away from Murphy has
Tian Leah Ain both Kate Connley and John Flynn have been retained for particular cases. >> Kate Connley is working on the lower guy road field and she's working on 648 652 Canton Avenue. Um
and John Flynn is working on the 88 Milton Street conservation restriction. That's about a half acre. If you don't know, it's about a half acre up at the corner of Brushill Road in Milton Street. and 88 goes all 88's the big house, a beautiful brick. I think it's a
marble first floor and the rest of it's brick. Um it's a very lovely home and they've got about 10 acres um of land there. So when that was sold back in 2014 from Dr. C to Dor Bagnal, um there
was a a longstanding fine uh of we agreed upon 75,000 is was the cost of the fine. Um, and that actually was added to the sale price. So, so the buyers actually ended up paying for Dr.
C. Um, >> and then at the same time they agreed to deed to us a half acre of open land conservation restriction. Uh, so he he's working on that. So, I I'll ask him just generally, but I'll consult with and I I
don't know his name and I apologize for that. the new town council author. Do you know his name? >> Uh >> he's a coleman and page or KP is what it's called though. >> Gyn um about three letters to a name. I'll
get it in a minute back by mine. >> All right. Well, anyway, I I'll reach out and ask Nick the same the same question. Um but we'll get that up on the website hopefully this week. >> All right. A couple of other things. Um,
one I I received notice today uh from National Grid and they are replacing the gas man on Riverside Drive. Um, so they're going to open that up. It's a three-foot trench. It is maintenance and they're giving us notice, but they're
claiming the maintenance exemption. And I think they're right uh in terms of replacing the pipe. They're not doing anything new or different. Um, but this is a really sensitive area and if they're going to open a three-foot trench, now it says in the letter, and
I'll make sure that everybody's got the letter. Um, we just received it. Uh, I received it today. It's dated April 13th. Um, and it it'll show you best management practices. And the exemption
from, you know, filing any kind of a notice of intent or RDA does say as long as a it's maintenance and it's not a new project and b that you that the utility uses best management practices. So they're claiming to do that. I just want
to make sure that we put it under the microscope because if they've got a three-foot trench on Riverside Drive and that area is about the most vulnerable piece of land subject to flooding and coastal surges that that we've got in
the town. So, I just want to make sure we put it under the microscope. So, I'll send that around. They're right, but I think we should respond in writing that they need to make sure that the trench is filled on a nightly basis and they have some kind of protection uh during
the open excavation to prevent any kind of a flooding. And they do it at a time that you know it's only going to be a few days project I believe and I I just want to make sure it's not done at you know full moon tide right >> that that that road's in trouble.
um as we all discussed at our last site meeting. So that that's uh new. We've got um open space um that just came in today. We've got some the assistant town
planner is Avante uh Grady who's now getting very active and he's trying to participate in this regeneration and rejuvenation of the open space committee. So I got a bunch of material today. So, I'll send it around to everybody to take a look at. There's nothing to be done just to be aware of
it. Um, and and they're they're looking for our participation in the the new open space plan. So, this is we're at the planning stage of this, but I think we ought to take a look at it and put our ore in the water and just say what
our position is in terms of what are our priorities uh in open space and this whole climate change battle. So, I'll send that around to everybody and u
I think that's it. uh except for um it's something that Arthur and I were talking about earlier and that is um and I I don't know where the driving force is whether it's D or if it's NEPRA
but the state in conjunction with uh NEPA is putting up a series of heat sensors uh throughout the watershed the watershed area and uh Arthur's been involved in that and suggesting there
are certain places in the marsh at at right off of Riverside Drive in Sisle and Courtland Circle. Um, and as Arthur said a couple of times to us, you know, the marsh is extraordinarily hot. Um, Arthur, you can give the stats, but what
is it 10 times the heat of an equal canopy of forested trees, >> correct? Um, so it it is it is a heat source >> and and they're trying to monitor it to figure out is there any way to control it. You know, I'm not suggesting you
plant trees in the marsh, but um I I don't know what the plan is, but it's a data collection uh effort and I I think it's it's a good one. So Arthur's involved in that. You can any updates on that area, Arthur? nothing other than the fact that the
other three locations that I recommended were at Baker Dam at Hollingsworth Tiston Dam and along Anquidy Brook at some location maybe down toward the intersection of Anquidy and Guliver
Creek. >> Okay. >> Or the headarters of Anquy up toward the police station. think I may have given both of those locations for consideration, but anybody anybody have any advice?
We didn't amend it. >> Is there thermometers? >> I haven't seen the devices yet. >> I don't know what it is, >> but they are installed. Uh, usually they put them on posts or in trees. storm. >> Um, I have a an air quality monitoring
that a previous um environmental coordinator from Milton asked to have installed on at our home and it's on our deck. So, I sense it's going to be similar to that. It's probably the size of a coffee mug a little bit larger.
>> Uh, yeah. Um, more info is better than less. Okay. >> And the only other thing is that just to get everybody up to speed, uh, we did vote at the last site meeting. Some of you were not present, but we did vote at the last site meeting when we were at U
36, no, 386 Canton Avenue. Uh, that we would vote uh to support uh a grant. It's a matching grant in which the town is the applicant but the money is coming half from the state and the matching
component of the grant is coming from NEPA and NEPA asked us to do this. It's it's a wonderful marsh restoration and remediation project. Um and so Cassie uh Calabro, I'm sorry I was hesitating on
her name, the assistant town planner. No, she's the environmentalist driving this working with Liz Manning who's the town planner. So, the two of them put the the application together and so the conservation commission voted
to issue a proclamation supporting uh that effort. So, we voted to approve that and I had actually already sent it um but uh we voted sort of in retrospect to approve the support for that project. We had talked about it at the last
meeting. We just didn't vote on the support. >> So, that's done. >> Great. >> Anything else? >> Nope. >> I'll just mention that I've been keeping an area
known as a town forest under observation. Who knows what I mean when I say town forest? >> Sure. Well, I know >> Holland. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's the big wooded swamp above the Harland Street flood storage
dam generally the par reaching over toward Wall Golf Course. And my observation is that the water level that caused the golf course to go to the board of the health and get an emergency permit
to trap beavers I think is higher than what we have now. And the reason I say that is if you walk from the dam through the woods toward the golf course, you come out of the course and you can
see there's some big rocks in the swamp and they have water lines on them. And what I saw a couple weeks ago was a current water level was probably
six inches below the high water mark on these stones. So, it's evident that at this time of year, in other years, the water has been significantly higher. So, even though the beaver dams are in
place, I'm not anticipating we're going to get that request again. >> Water doesn't seem to be as high. >> That request did not come from the golf course. That request, there were two requests. One of them was from DCR and
the other one was from DPW, the Milton DPW. And Ned Cochran did appear and support that on behalf of the golf course, but the applicant was the town of Milton through its Department of Public Works
on on the second instance. In the first instance, it was the DBW, I'm sorry, it was uh DCR. >> So, the Glock did support it, but they didn't they didn't bring the petition. Well, when we when we toured the golf course, they pointed out the areas
>> where the grass was dying. >> Oceans of fairway that they said they said they were about to lose. So, I guess I would be surprised if they had never made any such request,
but I'm not arguing with you, John, that it was a DPW that made the >> request. Fernandez did it herself. >> Yeah. And uh >> I talked I talked to her that that even I talked to her the week or two before that. She wasn't happy about it, but she
said, "We got to save your own." >> And one other note, you know, I did ask a couple memes ago, do we know if the gas collection system at the landfill is connected to the Quinsey collection system?
And I've had no luck getting anyone to answer that question for me like Marina or the new engineer. Ask them both. Haven't heard back. I just feel like
I need to do more before people will talk to me and I don't really know what it is. >> Yeah. I don't I don't think they would know. This goes back a bit. Um, and I I'm going to see Rick Neely um in the next couple of weeks. I I can call him
tomorrow, but uh he might know who the engineers were because he was the one he was the chairman of the board of selectmen uh the chairman of the select board at the time that they did the 50-year lease back in 19 whatever it was 98. >> Yes.
>> Whenever it was. Um he was the one that was negotiating with Quarry Hills. Well, I assume >> yeah, I assume that the there's a deal that made was made and the deal was that Corey Hills would monitor and maintain
that system, but it is on town land and I think the town should have some basic information about it and my question is that basic information now it's sort of related to that other question I raised.
I showed you evidence that Cory Hills was getting water abatements in Quinzy. That's another question I would like to ask. Are they paying what everybody else pays for water in Milton? Are they buying any
water in Milton? I don't know the answer to that either. That's a question you might mention to anybody. That's I think that's something we ought to know. >> Okay. I I'll I'll follow up with Nick Milano on the second part of that. The
first part of it though, we might actually have that information because somewhere around 2014 or 2015, the town actually had a some kind of a power generation
study group that made an application on behalf of the town to set up a some kind of a methane generator >> to create electricity for the town to run >> police, fire, right, >> DPW and the schools. Um, and we had a
number of hearings. It it might have been earlier. It might have been back in 2012. Um, and we had a number of hearings and then it just went up and smoked. They just disappeared. So, I called somebody, you know, whoever their spokesperson was, and said, "Hey, where'd you guys
go?" uh and they said well it looks like the methane is not in sufficient quantity to allow a return on investment. It was very costly to build >> but >> you would capture the the return on
investment would come over the years of creating electricity that's essentially then free for the town. Um >> Yes. >> So they would have to know that because they have all the data on the projected methane volume.
>> Yeah. But I think I think I think um >> I I actually thought that Philip was going to look for that, but I I'll remind him when he comes back. He's out. He was in an accident for those that don't know that. So, he's recuperating. Um but I I I think he's okay and he'll
be back hopefully within the week. Um but I'll I'll talk to him and see if he can find that application because I think that would have the data, Tommy, what you're looking for. Yeah, I I would mention if you don't know, they did an
energy project at the Flair in Quinsey, which you can see at the bend at Richuni Drive. If you're going to granite links, you go up a driveway, takes a bend, you can see a cage up on the hill with a flare in it. So, there's a flare in
Quinsey and a flare in Milton. And the energy project was built in Quinsey and lasted in 2022. And then the contractor came and pulled out the turbine and didn't reconnect everything. So the flare was basically
offline. And that is not a good thing. You do not want a lot of methane just leaking out of your landfill. >> No, you don't. >> Yeah. And uh one thing that was said when this was discussed in Quinsey, I
think it was Brian Dano, remember him from way back? Yes. >> He said, he said, "Oh, well, they just shunted the gas over to the Milton flare." And that didn't sound very plausible to me because it didn't seem like they would have connected the systems to begin with. There was no
reason to do it. And it sounds as if when they're talking about energy projects, they didn't regard them as connected because they thought they had to do two energy projects. At any rate, I would mention that we were at the site visit at the stable up on the ax the
access road and the owner there, Lenor Jacalone, she told me that she rides by the flare on the Milton side all the time and she says it's off and going. You can see it better at dusk, but it's going most of
the time. So it does sound like that flare is working while the one in Quinzy was kaput for three years. So I'm just I'm I guess I'm I want to get the answer
to this because I want to go back to Quinsey and say these are the facts. I also want to go back to my friends in Quinsey and say no you're not paying it for any water to milk water the Milton N. I really don't know what the answer
to that is either, but um I thought that was pretty scandalous that the the bills of Corey Hills were being spread around the other rateayers in Quinzy. To me, that was
just awful. >> That doesn't affect Milton. Well, that's my question is when Milton bills for water, do they bill granite links? That's what I u
>> we have a successor from Marina. You may know that she has left as being the DPW chief. >> Yeah. >> And it's Tom McCarthy. >> Yeah. And um Greg whose last name is escaping my me right now in that
department handles all the water. >> Ah thanks. >> So >> I would suggest touching bases with uh in fact Phil knows who Greg is very well because I've had contact through Phil with uh Greg and you could just ask Phil
for our water commissioner and he'd put you in touch with Greg and Greg could answer that question. for you. >> Great. You know, that's what I'll do. I really I don't expect it's happening in mill, but um I do want to know yes or no
on that. >> Got it. All right. Anything anything else for new business hearing? Hearing none. Motion to adjurnn. Yes. >> All in favor? >> I Good. All right. All right. Thanks.
>> Last meeting. >> Yes. Oh, Ingred, missing you already. >> Thank you, Ingred. >> My pleasure. Have a good >> Going to something that Sean said, >> you will have a successor, but not a
replacement. >> Nicely put. Nicely put. >> Take care, everybody. Thank you, Ingred. Doing good.