Uh, welcome uh to the uh June 22nd, 2026 meeting of the Milton Community Preservation Commission Committee. My name is Tom Calling. the chair of the committee dispute introductions. >> Uh Jenny Russell, vice chair, Pete Jackson, a marriage member.
>> Robbie Dashford, >> Steve O'Donnell, historical commission, >> Kathleen O'Donnell, citizen member, and Wendy Garpo from the Conservation Commission. >> Okay. And we have um Al and Robbie online. You want to
introduce yourselves? Robbie P representing the housing authority. >> Thank you. >> And Hal is Hal there. Hal may be away. I know he has child care responsibilities tonight. He's juggling. >> Hal Munger planning board here. Sorry,
guys. >> Yep. Yep. Thank you, Hal. Appreciate it. >> All right. >> Okay. Um we are um the first thing on the agenda is get right into the um applicant applications. So the first up
is the Pine Grove restoration Marita N. Welcome back. >> Thank you. >> And this was a >> and for the record just introduce yourself. >> Sure. I'm Marita Manning Cronin. a board member at ME and I put in an
application a year ago for restoration of the plan growth at Winter Valley and it was approved by your Ford by the Warren Committee and at the Mtown meeting for the first phase. So this is the second phase
that um and obviously the first phase hasn't started yet. will when the funds get released in the 1st of July. I don't know if anybody has any some of you have taken a tour with me >> and your suggestion last year to connect
with Georgia was very >> she is a great resource. >> Yeah, she had wonderful pictures. Anybody has any questions? So what's happening with phase two? >> Phase two will be a continuation from
where when phase one gets finished. >> Yeah. >> Um it'll be from where phase one ends until it gets to the where the pond is. >> Oh, okay. >> So it'll be continuation of that. >> So did you have a is this an estimate that was it based on?
>> Yes. >> From the Hunt brothers. Okay. >> The tree work. Oh yeah. What was the cost of what did we fund last the first phase? >> 10,000 >> right? >> Um so this is for 60 the request is for
60 >> out of a total project cost of 100 >> right >> where's the uh 40 coming from >> hoping to do individual grants. >> Okay. And we've also um we we're collecting
information for to be on register for national historic places. >> Wonderful. >> Yeah. So it was 40,000 >> last year was >> this? Yeah. At May town meeting or April town meeting? >> It was 40.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. And um will this be done when it's done or is this phase two of ultimate? No. >> Phase two be the end of a will be it hopefully. >> Yeah, I think phase two finishes at the
pine as we noted on our walk there that the historic gardens are more extensive. So conceivably there could be continued work but >> phase three, four to five. >> Yeah, six. Who knows? But this finishes up the pine grove, this particular
subject. The um I just know, you know, because as you know, I've done the research on garden and things like that. The the more formal garden um there's lots of things that could be done, but it's much more complicated.
>> So there would be more study and things required before um undertaking any significant restoration work there. So remind me like when this is then open is how does the community engage with the project?
>> It's based somewhat on the way that the spling garden is and be open for um visitors and you know be open but I mean it's there all the time for residents of winter valley >> right >> and they're right. So, could we do
something similar that we we have it like would you be open to having open hours for the community? >> Absolutely. >> And just one more question. Um the current development is happening for the additional I guess 36 units or something
like that. >> Yes. >> Does that above this or how close is it to the garden? It doesn't um so behind this project be beyond it is building five and the the new building six is behind is behind that but it's walkable.
Yes. But not it's but not >> and there's some distance. >> Yeah. >> And building six is is underway. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> August 2027 >> completion. Great. >> Move in. And that's the schedule. Great.
>> That's fantastic. coming up nicely. >> Um, so I know you haven't obviously started phase one yet, but do you is there anything that's come up at this point that you um in ter do you anticipate any problems
with phase one? >> No problems at all. >> Yeah, most smoothly. >> And so you'll be ready for phase two when when terminating, you know, would you know when I come back? >> Yeah. Yeah.
in May of 2027 and then that meeting would have this in. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Any other questions? >> Thank you for the tour by the way. That was really helpful for those. >> Anybody else done it? I'd be happy to show them.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was really it's a beautiful. So I can contact you and you give me a private tour. >> Absolutely. I'll be contacting. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You missed that miss. I also application. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Very excited.
>> All right. Thank you, Marita. >> Happy to give you tours. >> All right. Um, next up on the agenda is Regina Campbell Malone in the Pagota um the Pagota um historical restoration.
So, Regina, can you hear us? >> Hello. Hello. >> We can hear you. >> Oh, great. I have uh I also have two collaborators that are listening in and if they want to say something they're welcome to raise their hands I think.
Right. >> Okay. So that's Alyssa and Christina. >> Yeah. >> So I can just allow them to talk. >> Okay. >> And they don't have to if they don't want to, but they could. >> Okay. And would you um would you would I
be able to share my um slideshow with you? It's It is not If not, it's not that big a deal. >> Yeah. So, is it the one you sent with the application? >> Uh, no. It's an it's an updated one. Did I send a applicator?
>> No. >> No. Um, >> okay. >> So, let me promote you to panelist. >> Got it. >> And if you accept the panelist invitation, you can then share your slide
slides. Only one slide is allowed. No, I'm just kidding. >> Yeah, I can't. Oh, wow. eight. Okay, great. We can see the
um presentation and um Virginia, the only thing I would say is if you could speak up a little bit. We were having a little hard time hearing and I don't know how to >> Sure. No problem. >> You don't have to tell me twice, Tom. I got you. >> Okay.
>> All right. So, um, we, you know, just a quick refresher, we're addressing safety and accessibility and also some environmental restoration at Pagota Circle. Um, just to give you a really brief rundown. Um, this is the area. Let
me see if I can't Can you guys see my pointer? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, this is the area um between Hudson Street uh and Victoria Street basically. Um, and we've got this more open area on one side and an oak tree
stand on the other. And this is where we're located in town. So, kind of south of the Tucker School. Um, and um the the big the biggest feature of this little park is that that oak tree
stand in that larger open area. Um, what we've found is that it's a huge asset for families that are within walking distance. It's a local bus stop and um it's used for nature exploration and lots of small uh events and meetups u
for dog walking and other things. Um and um as a reminder, the space is not really large enough to support any larger team sports. So, the idea is really to um try and refresh and revitalize what's there, including um
evaluating the the oak tree stand to see um what what needs to be done to restore it and removing some invasive species that we know are there. And um the CPA mechanism seemed like a really great um
way to do this. In 2024, we received phase one funding um and that kicked off a um a community engagement process that um was long and very important. MAPC um
was part of that process thanks to some funding from the MPIC. Uh they did a whole visioning process. There were surveys and listening sessions and a um visioning uh two visioning sessions held for a wider audience. Um we've engaged
with uh Lombardian Landscape Architects to try and determine what is feasible in that area and for the amount that we still have and actually it was I believe it was $12,000
um we are going to be able to have them put together um three renderings of what may be possible in the area. Um and we also have um uh decided to go with hunt tree service which works has worked
closely with Lombardi in the past uh in order to evaluate tree health. Um so um what we're applying for now is um is money to be used once we have those
three variations in hand to gain more community feedback and buy in. uh and and will allow us to submit a full proposal in uh in September with those three variations in mind. Um we also have some uh you know we haven't touched
on yet um the road replacement. Uh and that is just a note for us to check in with DPW on that. Um there's there's some concern that the that somehow the road replacement has been missed in this area. Um and so
>> has been what >> may have been missed in these areas. Um one resident >> might have been on the schedule and then skipped. >> Yeah. There there one one um resident who's been there for 20 years says it
hasn't been done since she she moved in. Um so we want to check on that and see and see what the status of that is um and see what type of um traffic mitigation uh measures can be put into place there. So um so we think that
these really um these goals match the open space and recreation um uh ideals and goals of the CPA and that ideally um these plans also align with the master plan and the shade tree
initiative as we're trying to um restore that oak um that oak stand. So, um, we in brief discussions earlier this month, um, we had a chance to speak with Bill Madden and to sort of provide him with
some of the feedback from residents and our our small working group about the thing the types of things that um, the neighbors are interested in seeing and some things that they're absolutely not interested in seeing. So, um we're looking forward to seeing what they can
draft and what types of um things are possible for this little beloved park. >> Okay. Um anybody else from Alyssa or Christina does anybody else want to say anything or we can just um
open for questions from the committee. Hearing none questions from the group. >> I'll just say that, you know, I I live not too far from this community and yearly they have a pagod circle party. I don't know if some of you have been
there. And just anecdotally, last year we we typically have brought ice cream and stuff there. And we brought the ice cream truck up, the the ice cream case up to around where this woods were and we heard this crack crackling sound and
a huge limb fell off a tree and almost I mean massive like probably 5t away from us could have killed any could have killed me or Chris Gillan once Ice cream smith. So they absolutely like you know there is some major tree work that needs
to be done up there because there's some maintenance issues on the on the trees and and whatnot. So I you know anecdotally I would say that you know they totally >> because the land's town up >> it is park >> it's part
Jenny and then >> um two questions. Does the uh Lombardi landscape was that part of an open bid and does it have to be part of an open bid to It's under >> under 52,000. >> 50. >> Yeah. 550
>> 50. Okay. Under 50,000. Thank you. Um and then I was just also curious about the malberry tree conflict that was mentioned. Can you help out a little? >> Yeah. Yes. So, one part of the conflict was resolved by nature itself. Um half of the malberry uh tree um kind of got
got hit by another tree as it was coming down. And so that was removed. >> One of these trees >> DPW during following a big storm. So only one part of it is still remaining. Um and it's still, you know, it's it's limping along and it's already starting
uh to put out berries um that should be ready by the end of this month, maybe beginning of July. >> So was the conflict whether to keep it or not? What was the >> the conflict was whether to cut down that certainly to cut down that branch that was relatively horizontal and had a hole in it that you would stick your arm
through. Um and now um you know the in keeping or removing the malberry tree are going to be part of the variations that are put forward. We we will also lean heavily on the um
the the arborist um to help us with that decision. And if that person um and their expertise tell us that that the tree is not salvageable um then what we'd love to do is is perhaps plant uh a new malberry tree in its place um in a
nod to the history of that tree and the connection that a lot of people have to it. So >> okay, other question. >> Yeah. >> Um, yeah, the what you've outlined here, your slide that's up, it says phase two
proposal, but I think those first three things is the work that was supposed to be done with the first phase. And as I understand it, >> that's ongoing. And then um the money that you're asking for us now is really
implementation funds which would come after that. >> Yes. So that's where the the submitting submitting the full proposal >> for Yeah. The scope of work for this proposal is not that the scope of work will be outlined in your full proposal
in September. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. That's important. Important. >> Thank you. Yeah, >> Wendy. >> Thanks, Tom. Um, I I um I'm really excited to hear you talk about the
potential of this being considered under the um also considered under the historic preservation bucket. And um could you please tell us more about about the the aspects of um the pagota
history and how if that was included in the planning process with MAPC? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, um, one of the things that we found, um, really interesting was the the namesake of Pagota Circle,
uh, is a pigota, a small like, uh, relic pagota that was, um, up in the woods themselves, and it was put there by the Forbes family that had deep ties, um, to the Chinese or trade with, uh, China.
Um, and so one of the aspects that we wanted to um, engage with is trying to figure out what that history was, what that pigota looked like, and perhaps to incorporate an educational um, and historic awareness piece um,
that might involve a a board that has um, that information on it, right? Uh maybe maybe if we can find a rendering of what the bod looked like and some of the history behind it that would be um that would be ideal. >> Have you reached out to the Borbs House
Museum? >> Not yet. No. >> There's um it would be wonderful if you guys could collaborate in some way >> on this project. Um, we've uh we here at the uh community preservation committee
have been working closely with the Forbes House in the past on different projects and I would imagine they'd be amendable to collaborating with you folks on something like this. >> Absolutely. It'd be great if there was an intern or anyone else available to help us with some of the research.
Cool. They are I think going to be with us in July 6 towards us for their own application. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And sorry, just one other follow up that there's still a difference between the total project cost and what you're asking. So you're hoping the difference
is coming from where? >> Um are you talking about the the balance? >> Yes. >> The balance of funds. Um can you can you be more clear? Are you talking about the 82,000? >> Well, 82,000 what you requesting, but that you have listed the total project
cost of 97,000. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so we will look to additional resources, additional granting agencies um and uh possibly fundraising to try and raise some additional funds.
>> So, nothing confirmed at this point. >> Nope. >> Okay. >> What was the estimate based off of Regina? Um it was based off of other projects of similar size. So Beverly Park, um we looked at um a few other
small initiatives in Matipan. >> Um but really it it's going to boil down to what those variations uh look like from Lombardi. So we'll have a better idea of the numbers uh going forward before before we submit our proposal.
>> All right. So, because it's over 50. >> So, Jenny's just asking whether it has to be an open date. >> It would. >> It will because it'll be done by the 10. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But the the v the variations right now um for Lombardi, those are covered by
our phase one funds. So, that >> correct. Correct. >> You will stage. >> Yeah. My only comment, Regina, would be because this is Parkland, you'll you'll want to what I would suggest is reach out to Carolyn Cahill, who's the the
chair of the parks department now, >> uh, and try to get on our schedule so that you can present to present to them once you're in the process to to get support. >> Awesome. >> Because it will be administered through them through the parks. >> Got it. Got it. So, they'll they'll
handle all of the like um any bidding process that might have to happen and the um Um, >> yes. >> Maybe, maybe not. Yes. Okay. >> Yes. I I mean, because we're such a small town, I I think it often happens
through Nick Milano and >> and folks. Yeah. >> But they'll be looking for you to provide the information. >> Yeah. >> To go out to biders, >> right? >> So, you need to do a lot of work in the next between now and September to get this project. Well, I think it's a good
thing that I'm a teacher and so >> that works. >> All right. All right. Any other questions? All right, Regina, thank you very much. >> Awesome. Thank you >> for your stewardship of this and for the
application. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> The 1908 Atlas shows a tower >> on that. >> Bagota and a tower. >> No, just a tower. There was a tower >> owned by the Blue Hills Terrace Company.
>> Blue Hills, what company? Blue Hills. How big of a >> company? Blue Hill Street. >> Interesting. >> Right. >> Well, they laid out a lot. I mean, there was like five. No, there was 10. >> Do you know have do you know anything then? >> No. >> You're my You're my like Wilton history.
>> You've got some more figures. Check the >> Was it 1906 address? >> Yes. 1905. We've got another historic resource here. >> Do you know anything about >> No, I've always been curious about how
the pract >> probably tax taking my guess. >> I thought maybe a contractor just it was leftover land. >> Um, no. My session is looking at the plan and my use of what happens at the
registry is that it was a subdivision and it was designed with the circle in the middle as an amenity for the house lots that were being designed. And so that's why probably shows as Blue Hill Terrace Company because they would have held that as they would have owned the roads and all that sort of thing.
>> I've not been able to find when it was >> when it was acquired. >> Interesting. Okay. Let's um move on to the next um John Kyrion from the um conservation commission on the open space preservation trust application.
>> John, good evening all from the conservation. >> Um so mine is it's somewhat of a ours is a conceptual proposal because we don't have a specific uh piece of land or conservation restriction in mind right
now. Uh but our our I'm speaking of the conservation commission, our mandate, our charter is to protect and preserve and enhance open space. I can give you a honor speech about climate change and the importance of of uh battle of climate change because we've got
increased and flooding. We get in flooding with rising sea levels. We've been increased severity of storms and whatnot. It's very important that that we have open space. uh we we try to be um collaborative in our approach and we
work with the stack and over shade advisory committee we work with the open space committee which is now I think been re-energized and is coming back strong um so we look to collaboration in
identifying and inventorying all the open space that we have uh that's that's one component of the proposal the other is to figure out where all the conservation restrictions are um because some of them are privately held and we don't know about them. We can categorize
and inventory what we what we know about um and we know a lot about that. The master plan committee did it uh back in 2014. Uh most of us use John Cron's inventory. Uh that was sort of the basis of of our inventory at that time. It's
grown since then. What we really need to do and this is the proposal is to identify parcels of land that have enough space that could provide a conservation restriction. Now the preservation fund the design the dream
design is to have enough money come in cumulatively over 100 years to buy land. That's dream because I don't think we could do what Norwell did. They bought 114 acres of open space with $3 million.
And I contacted their >> Norwell or >> Norwell. Yeah. Norwell. And I I mean, we don't have 114 acres of open space, I think. Uh but if we could buy it would be great, but we don't have the money for that. It would take a long time. I'd ask for 100,000 sus a few years to get.
So, so I have Is this even I'm just curious cuz I know like the Massachusetts like the we have the affordable trust here and we give money to it. >> Yes. >> Is there is it a vehicle for the CPC to give money to an open space trust similarly? >> Is that even a vehicle? Can you do that?
Because what you're speaking of anyways is >> Norwell did. >> Norwell did it. That's my goal. Well, no. It's what they don't have. I mean, conservation commissions have the ability to accept town funds for open space purchases. It's not a separate
entity, >> right? >> Like affordable housing trusts are a separate entity, >> right? >> Um and I don't think that whether you're talking >> I question the legality of it. No, >> just like we have a revolving fund. >> Yes. So, it' be money going to your revolving fund. I don't
>> but it' be going into you'd be going into an open space acquisition fund under the conservation commission. It would not be like the affordable housing trusts which are separate statutory separately controlled by >> but but you still think it's le so I
guess I just don't see here here's my here's my issue with it. I'm all for open space, but this committee has the same power as you you would. Like if we wanted to go out and get open space and and put up a purchase for open space, this committee could do
that with with with the funds that we would this committee, the CDC or someone would have to we would be providing money to the town for the to acquisition by the town by the conservation commission.
>> Right. the custodian of it, >> right? Yeah, we'd be so still be the custodian of it. >> We wouldn't be the custodian of the town. >> But I guess my my issue is is like >> just throwing putting money in to a fund that hypothetically
we buy open space eventually. >> It's like, okay, I'm just throwing money to a hole. And and one thing I would say is that, you know, I I remember because I chaired this committee four years ago that you came before us for a project that I am especially interested in is the bridge over by Pepper Park and I
still have yet to see it constructed. We met today on it. The estimated time of completion is October. I was with Darwin Sales Sky. I was with Professor Dowski from Northeastern University Engineering. They are doing the engineering for us.
Estimated time of completions. >> All right. Great. >> And that's the bridge. Just to be clear, the bridge for um >> pond park is underway. >> Boss has equipment down. >> But that was four years ago. >> It is. >> Four years ago. Yeah.
>> Right. >> Okay. >> And four years ago when I was here, I asked for $100,000 from 682 of Blue Hill Avenue, 6.8 acres. It was up for bid and I had a deal with a neighbor that wanted to buy it that asked for $100,000 and he said no.
>> So I need a pot of money, >> right? >> What is the conservation as a housing guy, right? What does the conservation restriction cost? I mean, I'm sure there's a varied answer to this, but you know, like if you >> No buildings, >> huh? >> No buildings.
>> No. No. What does it cost like to buy a conservation restriction? But it can be. >> Yeah. >> That was a $100,000 contribution. It actually sold for three million. >> Yeah. >> Uh but at the time they were bidding up from 2 million. Yeah. >> So I had a a bidder that was bidding it
to 2 million. She got out of bid. But she had agreed that if she could buy it for two with our one that she would take that 6.8 acres, put a conservation restriction on the entire 6.8 acres and provide public access with trails. Um it
didn't work. She lost the bid and then the money anyway, >> right? >> Um but I'm not suggesting that the 100,000 would have made it work. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> She was out bid by the develop >> but the concept is similar. Although the structures are the same, the concept is similar as how we fund the affordable
housing trust to have money that's available. So when something comes up, you know, you don't have to wait two years to go through our process to get money that there's funds that you could direct toward that kind of project. Correct. >> And how much for per per year or
whatever? >> 100,000 a month >> every year. >> Yes. Because if we put enough into it, we could buy the land. Now, I'm not suggesting we're going to wait 30 years to get $3 million, but I'm suggesting that the more money there,
the more we could buy. And it may be purchasing land. And some of it might be isolated land, you know, isolated by, you know, you build a, you know, four streets and there's a centerpiece and probably it's a pocket, right? So that's going to be pretty cheap.
>> Yeah. >> But there's other stuff that could be developed that and it's going to sound anti-development. It is. We're trying to keep open space. So if somebody's got a twoacre project and they say, "Well, I could cut off one acre. I can build the planning board, the VBA, I can I can
build a house there." He said, "No, no, for $100,000, give us a CR on that acre. Don't build a house that keep the trees. That's that's where we're going to get open state support. We're getting stack support of, you know, the shade tree advisory
committee." That the whole idea is get the tree canopy back, fight the climate change. Um, it's not anti-development in the sense >> it seems like a really expensive venture when I'm looking at $6 million
worth of projects here, right? And so it it it's also a tenth you're asking for this budget to go to this hypothetical maybe we'll get this and we could buy this here. So for me it's tough to get there because it's okay here's $100,000
and I know an acre in Milton's a million dollars, right? that land is one of the most expensive things in this in this town. So, if you came to me and said, "Hey, I got a project that we can do a million dollars and I'm gonna, you know, whatever this is," and it then it's a little bit more tangible for me, I
guess. I I guess I'm just having trouble to like throw money down into to a to a constant thing that's going to be $100,000 a year. That will be >> what you might Jenny's waiting. I'm waiting but then
you're not saying anything. >> No, no, no, no. I just want to make sure everybody gets a chance to ask some questions. one question. So is the advantage of this is it gives you um the ability to act expeditiously in a you
know you wouldn't necessarily then have to go to town meeting and and ask for their permission right you could just >> negotiate the CR and and and execute the CR >> correct without any other approval >> correct
>> okay which is similar to the affordable trust. It is it varies. >> It's an opportunity fund. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, >> so I mean this is what the trust for public land does and so to what extent have you worked with them on properties here?
>> We we have not directly but what we did but remember I said a collaborative effort. We we keep an eye on the planning board and CBA. Um, we picked up about an acre of open space at Wentworth Farms and when the infrastructure went in, we got land back for that permit.
Uh, when we did, let me see what uh, Scott Woods, it was one lot, it's about a twoacre lot. It's at I'll give you address. 153 Hillside Street is a driveway and there's a Web Collins actually bought it, built it. We got a a
a halfing of all it space because without public access it has no public access on that Forbes that that Ford Hill Ranch Road conservation land that Web Collins set up doesn't allow public access.
>> Yeah, you're right. Um but I'll tell you but it is right that we're looking for >> my goal public access handicapped accessible. That's that's the goal. >> CPA CPA funding would want to have public want to acquire it.
>> Sometimes we get it, sometimes we don't. >> But then the problem is if it's already gone to them, we don't have any control. >> We have no control over it. >> Well, wouldn't we? And in the Grammy Group >> because like the affordable housing trust I mean just crazy examples, right? Couldn't find couldn't fund
nonaffordable housing, right? >> With our affordable housing money because that's the restriction, right? So presumably they could put some >> it's in our child that it would be 88. >> Okay. For So you have a portfolio of
places where you're like ready to move right now. >> No, we don't. We wait for subdivisions to come in. We look at those. We get we cluster zoning is is when we got up on Highland Street, Dennis and Martha Burke did a cluster zoning development. We picked up I don't know what the AP is.
It's not much, but it's a it's a percentage of the of the parcel of land that we picked up there. >> Um, so we're always looking, again, it's collaborative. We're looking for and we're trying to work with the open space committee on Avante Grady is is
assembling a whole list of open spaces um and what can be done there. We're meeting tomorrow um Wednesday on Flatly Field. uh that's already under conservation restriction. We're looking to see how we can you know address the
conservation make sure everything stays you know natural. Uh that's the whole purpose of so we the conservation tries to work through planning board DBA trying to find what property is up for sale. Um, and we didn't we didn't catch
much at at uh Walcott Woods and uh yeah, Ken uh Cabri's uh land, but Ken actually sold I think 38 acres to the it was still the MDC then. >> Um, so that's what we look for. So,
we're trying to get on board. We'll try to hold as many hands as we can. Um, and I know with the Wild Lands Trust because when uh Peter Jeff and John Cronin and uh Ken Wendell, they basically dissolved the Milton Conservation Land Trust, they
gave some of it to uh the Wilds Trust based in Pas. They gave some of it to us. So, we've got all kinds of little spots like down by St. Michael's Church on Randolph Avenue. We've got I don't know four or five fact there's one right on Randell Avenue where uh school street
dead ends there's a fence there and so somebody asked why is there a fence there just public land that's on mayor supposed to take the fence down um but but we that's what we look for pieces of land and that's what John Cronin and and Ted and David Jeff
that's what they were u and they kind of handed the mantle to us and to the wildlands trust So again it's as much of collaboration as we can do but we need the capacity to have good good turn. >> I think I think the thing we have to remember is
this meeting is about whether it's eligible to move forward with a full proposal. Once we have the proposals in you know we're going to have to struggle with our budget versus the $6 million in request. So, that's kind of the next phase, but for right now, it's really to
determine whether this would be an eligible project for a CPA um application or not. And, you know, I would guess that it is. I don't know that out of the $6 million
how high it would float, but I think it certainly meets the eligibility um requirements for CPA funding. >> Yeah. No, I concur. Well, that I think I think others other other CPA >> funds we can research that but I think
have have done with with the money. But >> um other questions, Kathleen, did you have questions? >> I just um you know wanted to point out that we've got two proposals so far that
have been we'd like to find open space. Open space. We don't know what we have and we want to do recreation. we want to park someplace in an area that's underserved. Um, and and both of those things strike me as people coming to us
when we really should be looking at the open space plan and the master plan. I mean, you know, and so so those and I ages ago when I was on the planning board, um Allison Quinn was putting together the list of, you know, what what open space is available and and I
don't know what happened with that because just last week I got this message from Meredith Hall saying what were the parcels that Wildlands did take from the Milton Land Trust because I handled the dissolution of that trust. And so I'm like I've provided this information to the town at least six
times. >> Yeah. And so you know so >> they have a consultant on board that is supposedly pulling that together. >> They've been pulling it together for two and a half years to committee that for two years. So same same reason why why I asked about the bridge that hasn't been
built for four years. So I'm happy that doing it but let let's move forward with some with some of these projects. Right? So so I hope right that that we can move forward. Um and that that's the biggest thing. But I think all but all that goes
to me is to say that you know I I hate to see money kind of locked up someplace >> that isn't getting used >> and so that people should know I mean when I work with other committees Norwell is an example other towns are an
example where they know that this farm is going to pop it's under 61A the town has a right of refusal we're going to save the bazillion dollars we need to buy it and and They know that and so everybody has like the wish list and so we don't we don't even know what we
should have a wish list for. >> Yeah, exactly. I'm with you a thousand%. >> So I I just I'm I'm not comfortable with the idea of locking up money that we don't even have a shopping list for. >> I think I think I I would just say that's fine. >> But Pete's I think Pete's point is
absolutely correct that this round is we've asked for ideas. we ask for and they and applicants have come to us to determine eligibility. You know, we'll make a formal decision at our probably our July 20th meeting on eligibility.
So, and we'll communicate to everybody, but >> I think you've heard this consensus here. I think it is an eligible project and you know you'll also are hearing >> the work in between
that you might have to do to convince some of you know some of the committee members but but ultimately we we are in the eligibility stage only right at this point. >> I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, to your point, part of the proposal is it's it's not
going to shoot in front of me, but the detail would be public education. If we have the capacity to buy, we can then go to the public and say, "Listen, if you've got more than an acre, are you willing to sell it, the CR, not I don't
mean the the land because you can't." >> Well, yeah. I mean, I you know, I as you know, I've been practicing real estate law for a bazillion years and and I just closed on a deal with Essex Green Belt. And so, you know, Essex bought my client's property. Some part of that is
going to be CR, some of it's a house sale, but people know we have community preservation money. We're on the list. Everybody knows, a developer knows, all the people that do real estate development, land trust know Milton has CPA money, and they know that that's a
possibility. So in that situation, Wenham actually bought a CR on some of the properties. So that offset the cost to Essex. So people know that we've we've been we've done our job of letting people know that we have CPA money available. So we expect somebody to come
to us to say, "Hi, we've got, you know, we're interested in this piece of property, blah blah blah." Some of it may not really work, but how about, you know, working with the this committee? Um, and Wendy knows that from her years serving on the Plymouth one because that's the same thing. They came here
and said, "Okay, fine. What have you what can you what can you do?" So far, that hasn't happened for us. Um, you know, there may be some developer that comes along in a few years for some project and we would certainly be the place that you would come to this
committee for because we have the money and then we would be working with you to say whether or not this has any sort of conservation value to it. um etc etc etc. But that's the normal process is that people come to the committee that has the cash which would be us and then
and then we would fund whatever we decided to fund would get whatever we needed from the CR but it's usually a combination of a lot of things and people you know want tax deductions and you know they're going to part of it's a gift and how are we going to get that through the IRS and dueling appraisals
and all that kind of stuff. it gets pretty complicated. So, it's not as simple. >> I'm not screwing with you. The I guess I think the one um significant downside from that is the speed of which you can act, right? You
can't act with any speed >> in that process >> because you're going to come to us in >> in May. When was our deadline? >> May. Yeah. Come to May for a vote in the
next The money's the next July, >> next May. >> Yeah. But wait a year and then funds released in >> but that's but we could have always done if we had something that somebody came up to us for now we could certainly say okay yeah that's terrific and go into
the October meeting >> and we >> we have we have flexibility >> and this year we're going to be asked to do that at least once or twice. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. No, good point. >> All right. Um anything else? >> Great idea. Thanks very much, John. Thank you very much. Um and um thank you
also for the update on um on the >> bridge. We know >> we know that Nor Eastern has not you know there's been some definitely out of >> We did see the parking at the ice house that for the conservation plan. So
>> I think it's picture parking. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was excited to see >> and the pathway through that. That's another one of your proposals. >> Yeah. that we're still waiting for the connection from the past, the pedaling playground >> to our new path and then to make the whole thing handicap access.
>> So that's funded, but >> it's virtual. >> That's the I know that's the whole number one question I get asked about. >> All right. Um we are right on time and we're going to be a little ahead of time
because next um applicants Milton Landing Bo House has asked to postpone their appearance until the July 6. So >> um so I take this opportunity to update people so that they will be coming on July 6. Um
the other news on applicants is um u I guess this is not 100 100% official but I've been informed by the Houston Bioale um if I'm pronouncing that right project um that they are going to
withdraw and not move forward. They're just quite ready um I think um and >> they're going to be eligible anyways. They might I mean there was an issue about whether you know it's it's sort of they but we won't have to get into that.
They're going to withdraw possibly to reapply next year but um but they they want to do some more thinking. >> And which project was that? >> It was the Houston bioil. Um they're using the tree lawn >> to have runoff
um sort of avoid going into the sewer. And it was an intriguing idea. Um I wasn't sure the private land versus the tree lawn and you know that type of stuff. But it was a pilot project to
test it along 150 foot strip to see if it did have an impact on rainwater and storm water. So it was an interesting project. Um a homeowner on Houston had had proposed. So
>> wow. So, but they are um um I think well they have informed me um that they're so one less applicant. Um >> make our job easy. >> Milton, but it was only 7500.
>> How about one of the ones >> applicants instead of 22? And um so one other update um just the affordable housing trust voted at their last meeting $600,000
>> to the Milton Housing Authority. >> Yeah. >> So um so I think effectively the Milton Housing Authority proposal is withdrawn. >> Oh, I was hoping that that would happen then. >> Um and >> that's great. The affordable housing
trust is not because they're hoping >> Yeah. To get the >> they're hoping to recoup some of those costs obviously, but they've already based on their surplus, you know, not surplus, but based on their reserves, >> they have already voted um at their last
meeting 600,000. >> So, so we're we're making some progress here. >> All right. Um, >> yeah. >> The next one on the agenda is Andrew Field, but Kevin is not here until 8 o'clock, I think. So, >> I told him I like
>> Oh, you're going to cover. Okay. You're going to cover. So, Rob want the next two then. >> Yeah. Can is it possible to pull up the Andrew's application? >> Yeah. >> And then I have the other I have the other
then I can talk specifics. But in essence, the the Andrew Field uh restoration project, if for those who were on the committee, I think all of you were. Last year, we had put forth, it's basically the same application as last year. And what we did was we pulled
it last year because we were doing the recreational master plan for those of you who who remember. Um so we pulled that knowing that let's let's figure out if that's the right location for it. And when we did when we went through our study uh in the recreational master
plan, we're getting close to tying that up. We'll be done. >> Anything else other than this? Was it just >> I'm just cur I'm just I think it was around 300,000, right? I'm just looking at the in total >> 300 plus 185 >> 185. Okay. So So
>> um basically in essence it's the same project but I think so Milton Soccer is given $10,000 for it. I think Kevin was looking for around 100 something and whatever the request is 185 >> 185
>> right so in essence it's the same project our consultant who did our recreational master plan figured out like the field should stay in the same place that it's in if my wife was here she'd tell you how unsafe the field is because of the way
the way it's been played on it's really used quite a lot and this restoration would do a ton of uh good for the programs that use it. So, Milton Soccer uses it quite a bit. I know that uh um lacrosse uses it and Font Bon actually
uses it as well. Um so, one what I told uh my wife is I I think that the other two we should work on trying to get funding for because they are users of it and Milton Soccer has uh committed some money. So, I think before the next uh application we'll we'll look at that
with Kevin. Um but that's in essence the the application. Um >> so it's a really a reconstruction of the field the grass surface >> the existing grass. >> It's none of the infrastructure or any other activities. It's taking the pl the
grass surface of the playing fields >> excavating down and and building a whole whole lot all whole new base to to redo the surface as grass as is. So it would only all that work would only they would only miss the summer.
See I mean it basically it would be ready for fall. >> It would be ready for fall but could could go yeah over >> that's that's I I know nothing about this but that seems um quick. >> And where does the estimate come from?
>> Kevin he would he knows I think he knows what what the cost is to redo it. So that's that's who gave the the permission back. >> I was just sort of curious if there was an interest in having it be an astroturf and not obviously apply to CPA. Was there any support for that?
>> No. And and I think uh our committee like I I don't there's there's no interest that Andrews it's basically to keep it to keep it grass. >> I don't think the neighbors would want to >> I don't think the neighbors would would go for it. >> Would have to happen or guy. But but I
what I will say is an an interesting topic uh an interesting topic with uh for that is that >> you know potentially if there's fencing for around it I I would be for fencing a field because a um if we're spending $300,000 on a grass
field we better make sure that that it's that it m that it the surface remains that way because dogs and stuff actually tear up the the irrigation lines and stuff. So, um, it's just something for for us to consider. And I don't know if that the fencing would be included in
this, but that would be something that we would want to to figure out. I think you would be able to at least get in to the field. Like, we wouldn't want to lock it up, but I think it's just so that And that park is quite big. >> Well, there's a lot of I mean, there are a lot of dogs there. >> There's a ton. A ton.
>> There's a ton. Yeah, there's a ton. So, um, >> and they're mostly not on leashes. >> No. Right. So, if we if we just fenced it but had it open so people could anybody in the community can go and use it, great. But it would keep the dogs into the open space areas in the park
and and it wouldn't help maintain that field for anybody who wanted to use it but keep the dogs up. But to answer your question, I think turf and is a bad idea. >> And what's the status of the um total plan? who said that it's coming
>> the the whole townwide recreational master plan will be I think it's going to be done in about two or three weeks and then we're going to present at the select board and similarly to what uh uh John said um we're looking at Flatly
Field as a potential opportunity for for uh new park there um and so we're going to we're going to look at that. >> Has there been a draft circulated or anything to the public? as a public >> we're going to have so there's going to be a public community meeting once this in the next couple weeks. So once
>> it's finished. >> Yeah. So once once the plan is finished then we'll go out to the community and have a community meeting in July and then the next step would be to present that to the select board. >> So now is this considered a priority within that plan?
>> Uh yeah I I mean what it's it's one of the priorities in there. Yeah. Okay. Other questions. >> Okay. Any questions, Robbie, for Hal? >> Uh, no questions for me. >> Okay. >> Sorry. Just assuming that the town is
coming up with a different 115 million. >> Yeah. >> All right. The next project is also Rob >> Geo. >> Geo field. >> Yeah. So, it's the softball fields. >> Yeah. So, a lot the softball field after >> is the the one at the high school
>> called renamed or was the funded last few years. >> Yeah. >> So So we So what was interesting was is that we did fund one project the phase one project for this for this project.
So along first baseline it's it's a new cage but remember there was like uh stairs that went off the ADA room. So Kevin, myself met with um Bill who's who's delayed. >> That project hasn't been done obviously
>> because of July, right? And so it it's going to start within >> soon on July 1st it gets going. That project will roll out. But once we we were there because we needed surveys and and whatever to get that project done,
some of the softball board was they said, "Okay, well, we we have another we have another ask or we're looking for doing the next phase, which is what's here." And so I was there and I said, "Well, what about just like a lot of these projects, doing the study, the the
the design for this is to help regrid the hillside." Um but it continues as you anyone who knows like that goes down that um by the high school there's a huge ramp and one at the bottom of that
ramp the idea is is to push that ramp back a bit and create better stands. So right now a lot of pe folks go up on like up by the parking lot. So it would be improving uh spectator amenities between the dugouts, fixing the ramp uh
and and helping the you know for safety. Um right now there's a lot of wash out too. I don't know I go there all the time probably for my kids but there's a lot of wash out from the top of the hill and it goes down and it basically washes out to this ramp. So we would fix that as well. Um, and then I I think I I
talked to you, Tom, about whether or not this was eligible, like if if an a press box or a concessionary, if it was open or not. I don't know. Um, I'm just wondering like if it's not a completely fixed piece, is it fundable?
>> Um, but this anyways is for the design and study of doing these amenities for it. But I don't know if like in the future would the press box or the concession area be fundable? I guess that's a question back that you
>> research. I don't think it is, but I I don't know for sure. I only give a defended >> people have and they've included it in the whole redo of the field, >> you know, so like there's, you know, concession stands and press boxes and
all that lights and all that sort of stuff, right? I mean, I think it's been included. Not I don't think it's a great idea, but I think it's been part of the whole project. >> Okay. >> Um, and not called out as that. >> And that's seems to have worked.
>> Okay. >> But if it's if >> if the project is not a whole project for the field, it's solely to put in a >> concession stand and press box, then it's a different >> Yeah. It's a different This is more about like regrading ramp, right? and
and and like the stands and I think >> making accessible and all that sort of >> right and and I think too so why this came about too was because the first phase and we were going to put we're putting steps up to that ramp so that it's easily accessible over there.
>> It's like a natural progression like that that goes into where these stands would be. >> Yeah. Um, so that's that's why that's why we're like, okay, let's put this forward so that while they're designing the phase one that there's a thought
about phase two to make sure that it it's coordinated well together. >> So the phase one project is putting stairs at the bottom of this ramp. >> So it's in the middle of the ramp. So where where the cages >> you're saying if you're putting stairs
then it's no longer an accessible ramp. >> It's still accessible there. There's stairs there. The stairs come off of the off the side of the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, if it once So, and also that stair that's coming down has a landing. So, that landing potentially goes into
seating areas that's like kind of on the landscape. Um, >> we'll see it plan at some point. >> Yeah, at some point. Yeah. Yeah. But, but this just keep in mind that this was >> only for design work and stuff. I said, listen, same thing. Let's let you know
be smart and plan for this first before you go in and just say hey we're going to spend however x amount of money >> while you're doing this first phase do the planning for it and and more importantly it's also the engineering so it's it's like survey and the geotechnical engineering for that as well
>> okay >> and then Milton softball has a like they said we'll put 10,000 the parks department would put 10,000 so they're looking for we're looking for 30,000 >> that's it questions off.
Thank you for adding that. Yeah, it is a it is a plan. Um yeah, it's it's a design work. Um >> yes, exactly. >> Okay. Um any questions?
All right. Um we are at Steve and the Homemstead Landscape Assessments. We're supposed to be at 8:30 and it's 8 o' and we're doing good. >> There's no A in Homestead. >> There's no what? >> A in Homestead.
>> The landscape architect wants to know. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. On the agenda. >> On the agenda. >> Oh, it was it was that was >> um >> right. uh Milton Historical Commission uh
proposes to undertake an inventory of projects planned by or designed by the Mstead firm and I think everybody knows the Mstead landscape firm Frederick Olmstead and I think a lot of people
don't know that he was active in Milton um besides his work for the Metropolitan Parks Commission now DCR Blue Hills Reservation Reservation to Valley Parkway and Blue Hills Parkway, all of which properties have extensive records
in which are listed on the National Register. The review of the firm's records in finds 18 project numbers assigned to work in Milton, >> including three for the town, two other public projects, two semi-public, and 11
private. The study would include a review of records to determine the extent of each project, what was actually implemented, try to ID current owners and seek their awareness of the projects and their history, and locate any records of
planning, design, or changes over time, and where possible visit and document existing conditions. A report would be prepared to summarize the findings and make recommendations that could be used to preserve, protect, and restore these landscapes and help to
understand the legacy of the importance of these landscapes in Milton. We intend to engage landscape architect Peter Jackson to undertake this study, which may be really an outgrowth of his previous study of the pine world of landscape at Winter Valley.
Mr. Jackson estimates that this project report and presentation would take approximately 1,000 hours and incur between $500 and $1,000 in direct costs for obtaining documents, printing images, creating the report, and public presentation.
This is a somewhat nominal sum for a project of this sort. Mr. Jackson has indicated that the difference between this amount and the realistic cost of the project would be a donation for the community benefit. Thought you were tired.
>> Yeah. >> He just can't help himself, right? >> We aren't I took the tour of Winter Valley with Marita and Peter and I was impressed with what I found. >> Yeah. >> There. I mean, the sunken garden, the
pond, the grove, the whole thing. Who knew about it? >> Probably did, but who knew about it? Well, who knows about what else is in town? Perhaps not preserved to that extent. I'm sure that some of them have
been have disappeared because of development, but it would be really nice to determine who and why and what and how. And you know, we just heard a lot about conservation and open space.
you know, maybe is a part of a homestead landscape that would be out of conservation research. I don't know. But until somebody looks, we don't know. >> So, of the 18, how many do you think are still in existence?
>> Well, I can think of one in particular that I know was gone, and that's the white property on Brussel Road, which is now um beach beach lane, beach tree lane. was Charles White.
>> I know that's >> whether they're remnants around, you know, on the property. I don't know. >> I'll go. >> I'll go look tonight. >> You know that? >> Yeah, >> that's right. And the only reason I know that is is there was an issue when the house that
was there had a fire wanted to be demolished. And one of the the items that came up in research is that it was an Mstead designed property landscape had been allowed to deteriorate but Mr. White was said to have brought in
specimen trees from other parts of the world to landscape the property. So you know okay it's a fiveacre process property the developer wanted to build five houses but can't we do something other than that?
So we know that or at least as far as I know that was totally lost because of the development. >> Mhm. the others. Um, if you look at the names that show up in the Mstead
files, there's Wiggleworth, Russell, Slater, Kennedy, Brooks, Kimble, Whitney, which would be Winter Valley, Cobb,
Forbes Estate, Milton Women's Club, the Elliot Street School. >> Elliott Street School was never built. That's the playground on Elliot Street. >> Uh that the land was purchased for a school. The school was never built. Was
turned into a playground. Um Milton Parks, Civil War Memorial, Town Hall, um Elliot Memorial Bridge, Milton Central Station. I don't know what
>> the train station. So, I mean, these are the >> Yeah, this is this is right out of the the U said records. >> All right, questions for Steve. >> All right.
So, I guess one question would be if this is if some of these pieces are private land, right? They're privately owned. Is this for like inventorying this in a study basically to see what what's available in here? Okay. So then
>> right >> basically it's it's basically like what Pete did for the last time, right? >> Essentially. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. Okay. I mean but but there's also pieces of this that potentially are town owned or >> corrupt or
>> we don't know what we don't >> we don't know. Yeah. So yeah. So that that there could be action items coming >> from that assessment. >> I guess even if there aren't action items or something's been lost, you know, creating a historical record that
shows the historical plans and what it was and >> it's part of the legacy of Milton. >> That would be nice to recognize, >> right? >> I mean, we we try to document >> houses that have been lost. >> Yeah. Yeah, this is an opportunity to
try to land document landscape that's been lost as well as landscapes that still are. >> Yeah. >> All right, Wendy. >> Um, Pete, not that I want to to expand
your scope of work that already you're you would be donating significant time for. But I do think it's worth noting in some capacity that Olmstead was also a teacher to many other landscape architects of
significance here in town, including uh Fletcher Steel, for example, the Fletcher Steel Gardens, which we've >> so if it if it's possible to somehow document um Mstead once note the
Homestead. >> I think part of it would be to, you know, outline the legacy of the Homestead firm and you know that and many many because the firm was in existence until 1980 and um you know so some of the things
that are called Mstead landscapes, they're certainly not Frederick Olmstead or his stepson John Charles or his son Frederick Jr. But there's a whole cadre of landscape architects who've worked all over the country um that descend
from that firm. And so I think writing some of the history on that firm to give background and recognition I think would be a good one. >> Was the woman who did the garden at the what would be on the >> Yeah. The shipley was she was
>> Ellen. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know about >> I don't think >> I don't know but she said >> we looked into that during the whole >> hearing situation. >> Yeah. And I believe we didn't see
anything about the power. >> Hopefully that part's been saved and all that such that is fenced off. Now of course nothing's nothing's been done to it. And I suspect it's very much overgrown, but it is fenced off as best
as can be seen from outside. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, great. Thank you, Dave, for that. Um, and um, yeah, so let me just wrap this up by saying we then, so we we
saw five projects last week. We or heard from five projects last week. Six. this this week. >> Is that it? >> No. >> And that means we have 10. just saw it. >> I I tried best my best to smooth this out so there'd be roughly even, but um
more people opted for the July 6th and obviously we had >> Were you here for a project or >> she's not um um just a interested resident? >> Um
>> potential volunteer. So, let me just um so we are we will have um just summarize uh the Milton Landing Boat House um presentation next week uh and not next week, July 6. uh the Brooks View
LED lighting, the Mary Seal Lane safety and field improvements, the Winter Valley solar lighting, the affordable housing trust, the Atherton Street fire station, the Blue Hill
Parkway historic markers, um that's a Joe Montagno um proposal. um the Milton lockup slate roof repairs, the Forbes House plank house and shed and then the one that
comes from the town coming from the town is the monuments and historic markers restoration. There's a little bit of overlap potentially with the Joe Mando and the town project both talking about monuments and historic markers. Um um so
anyways, but that's the 10 we will have and I believe with the one withdrawn project we will have seen 21 projects over the last um over well once we meet over the last three meetings.
So, so stay stay tuned for a later night since because we can't we can't get through 10 projects in in um >> Oh, all 10 are gone that time. >> I mean, >> it's not that bad. It's only eight of >> Yeah. No,
>> so it'll be like >> Yeah, I wanted this one to have a couple more and I tried my best, but >> some of those are pretty complicated, but we'll just >> Yeah, we'll do our We'll do our best. I'm scheduling. I had I put in the tenative agenda uh with the with the
town administrator and I scheduled a few of them like Athetherton up top and gave them 15 minutes and then some of the others that I think are shorter gave them just 10 minutes. So I'm trying to manage the time a little bit more.
Um so the last two things on the agenda are um approval of the um June 8th 26 minutes. um as distributed via email. Um do I hear a motion to motion approve? >> A second.
>> Second. All uh I have to do a roll. Um Jen, >> I um want to um >> Yes. >> Yeah. Steve again. Uh Kathleen >> abstain. >> You're obaining
Rob. Yes. and Hal. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. So, we have se and Tom. Yes. So, seven in favor, two extensions. And um thank you for that. And then update interviews. Pets and I um were
able to do interviews for the administrative the CPC um clerk or I forgot exactly what we called it in the in the job description, but the administrative clerk position on Friday. um of this week or last week rather I've
been in touch with um Carla I'm not sure how to pronounce Carla's last name feed or fee um but um been in touch with her she is the director of HR for the town she is going to follow up um with the
candidates and ask for references and um and try to facilitate this moving very quickly um and is the good news I got and Carla uh just um just actually before this meeting. So, um, so we do,
um, we had, I think, two great conversations, uh, with town residents and, um, um, hopefully we can move quickly to, right, Jenny. Um, to bring this person, I will >> like not Jenny as I see her name here
for the next meeting. I certainly so yeah we're um but we uh were I think Pete and I were you know I don't want to mention any names because yeah privacy and stuff like that but I think we were very um pleased with the conversations
we had. So um so yeah so hopefully we'll have some news at the next meeting. Um I don't know how the town can do. I don't know if we'll have somebody employed by the next meeting, but we would hopefully have an offer and an acceptance and and
um yeah, if if that whole mechanism can happen quickly, maybe we could have um somebody under contract. Um so anyways, that's that's the that's the progress report on a on a position.
Just quick, the July 20th meeting, will that that will also be hybrid if we want if we're traveling. >> Correct. Yeah, it will be hybrid like all of our meetings have been. Um, and it'll be here for those that are in person, but it I think they've already reserved this room for us. So,
>> I may be out in the ocean somewhere. So, if I have internet connection, I will try to be to go in. >> I will not be at the next one. at the dress rehearsal. >> Okay. >> For a concert on July 11th. >> Oh, you were asking about the July 20th.
>> Oh, so so when when's the >> So there's two meetings scheduled until the 6th. >> July 6th is the meeting that I just mentioned that will have all the applicants coming in and July 20th will be our deliberation meeting. >> Okay. >> Um >> just on eligibility.
>> Oh, just on eligibility. >> Pretty easy. Yeah. I don't know. >> The only ones I actually have a question about are the historic markers restoration. I'm not sure that I'm not 100% sure that's >> but this this boat house thing is that
eligible that that can't be eligible. >> I think well yeah that could be and that's another question. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. Um, so anything else? Any other questions? >> Was there any followup about the Joe
Kane from last week? >> Um, yes, Joe has actually. Thank you. Um, Joe has sent me um documentation that I need to distribute to the community. So, I will do that. >> What's that? >> A new budget.
>> Al's got it scanned up. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just wanted to touch on um right um Tucker Elementary came to us about the playground and we know that um sometime in early July we have to have a uh articles ready for townfall meeting. Um
did you have any conversations with Nick about that, Tom? >> I haven't yet. Um so I will do that. Um, I will also put on the agenda for July 6 um discussion in
um >> a six. That's probably it. >> July 6. Um I think we have so depending on what Nick if if it really is I mean that will both both be for the fire station and
potentially for Tucker. um we may have to vote on a warrant article um for for >> for both of those projects if that is the committee's desire. >> Yeah. >> So we don't want to miss it just because
of a timing issue will not that um I think that's the only other way in discussion to bond those two projects. No. Well, Athetherton, yes. Kaban, >> but what about the what about the Tucker? >> Tucker is asking us to fast forward the
application. So, because Tucker has this unique thing that they can only do the work in the summer, >> in the summer, right? >> And Okay. And Nick is the town is saying you can only go forward with the preliminary contracting if um
if we know you have all the funds secured. The only way to know the funds are secured it would be for a town meeting vote. So Tucker is asking us for the first time ever, although it will be the second time ever because after um to
to have an article on the fall town meeting um approving funds funding for that project. Um so it's a unique request. Um >> but what I'm trying to get that would be funded in July, right?
They still would only get the money in July, but they would have the certain have the approval. >> They would have this. >> Are you sure about that? >> Um, >> no. July of 27. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's not an issue for them. The fact that the money came in in July and 27, they they've told me that that Okay. I mean, normally when when we do this and we do it in a meeting in October, we're doing it for this year to fund it out of this year's money.
>> No, it would be. >> So why I don't understand why why don't it's the same it's the same reason why the funds are not available when we when town meeting approves it in May. >> Oh, no, no, I get that part. But I'm
>> It's the same. It's >> I know. Normally when I do a meeting in October, you know, beyond the and it's in the current fiscal year, I'm voting the money out of this year's fiscal year money. >> We don't have that money. >> You've already borrowed.
>> We've already >> I know it's a bit early, but here's the issue, right? If a we'd be going out of sequence with all these other all these other applications. So here that's a big jump to say hey we're going to commit x amount of money before everything else.
It would be early early before like it's not that many months early. The other bigger issue is this is absolutely a public bid job and they and from what I >> that's why they need the lead time. >> Not yet. But that this being said this
they're also asking us this is a $1.5 million project. They've done a great job of fundraising but there's still a big gap. And before you go out to go get public money, what I've heard is that Nick Nick has always said that the money all the money needs to be there to go
out to to to bid. So there's still a big gap even without the >> No, I I agree and that's why Nick Nick is coming for multiple projects, right? He is going to be talking about the Athen Street fire station. He's going to be talking about the monuments and
historic markers restoration and the um and the Milton lockup. but he's also going to be speaking to the Tucker project. >> Okay. >> Um so and answering questions of >> is he presenting Athetherton or is the fire station building committee
presenting that? >> I don't know. Um I am um I Nick is definitely going to be here. I have not gotten any um response from emails to the fire. believe the application Nick
was the person to file the application for it. >> No, >> except we're going to have like I mean >> the decision on the Adon Street Fire Station would likely take at least the two hours that we've got on this
>> serious seriously. So we can't see 10 applicants and then go through the discussion about bonding $3 million. That's a big >> the questions I've got about a victim street. >> Well, we already know. I mean, we know
it's eligible. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so why don't just say it's eligible this time. >> No, but but Hal's question about Tucker also applies to Ethere. We're going to have to have um the town's going to want to have a warrant article, >> right?
>> Oh, we feel that it's it's possible. I don't think it's possible. So, I'll try to talk to Nick tomorrow about all of this timing issue. Um, >> and and Tom, others others obviously know more than I do,
>> but I was told that you could have a placeholder article for that July 7th, I don't know what that actually means, but >> you can you can but my big issue with that, which probably is similar to yours, is you were just picking $3 million out of a hat. Where's the
details for this for an October to be ready? does this construction company we're we're taking a lot of liability to say hey let's just put build bomb $3 million I have no idea what that $3 million buys >> and the $3 million has got to be specifically related to historical
preservation and so all the elements have to qualify and be done consistent with the secretary >> I just don't know if it's going to get done by >> well that's why Nick is coming um um if people have um >> uh bumped to Brian if they they can
encourage him to attend as well. I think that would be um good. Um but Steve one is right and the application did come from from Nick's office. Basically >> it came from Nick's office and not the fire building committee.
>> Well, >> I think it was probably more appropriate to come from I mean the town's building, not the fire station committee. >> Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think so. >> All right. So, I wanna um we since this wasn't on the agenda, I think this is good conversation, but I don't want to
get too deep into it, but um so I will reach out to Nick tomorrow morning and um and try to um get some clarity on the timing. I think the place how to your point the placeholder placeholder just means there's a number you know warrant
article >> 16 is for the fire station you know for Athetherton street or for Tucker school or for and it doesn't really have any content um and the content is to be filled in by a green sheet or purple sheet or whatever color sheet it is at
town meeting um uh sometimes before town meeting obviously but um So let's um yeah so the town also has a history of you know giving early deadlines for warrant articles and um
>> pulling them >> and those deadlines slip a little bit. So um so there might be some flexibility >> that would be consistent with our July 20th meeting too. So, >> but I mean I guess the other question for that one is what's the urgency on
that one is like adoption. >> Okay. >> They're going to the valley >> for the whole >> for the whole body. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, it's it will be proposed over. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. So, some issues we haven't had
to deal with in our >> bring you a lunch. But but to your point though, if there's 10 applicants, should we should you just like those those three projects alone, right? Just Tucker on this one. >> One's bonding. One's bonding >> and Tucker. Those two projects are going
to take two hours to >> Tucker already wins. >> Tucker Tucker's done. >> Already done. >> Yeah. Nick Nick is going to speak to that if some of the >> timing and Yeah. the specific timing
issues that he is he has um instructed the Tucker um PTO about in and got >> that the reason they're asking for this is because of Nick >> Nick's advice when they sat down with Nick
basically said well you need then CPC approval in a fall time meeting as opposed to they didn't just dream up this idea is coming from from depth um is my understanding. So um so yeah um so
Nick is going to be key to have at that July 6th meeting obviously and have a conversation with him. Again, we're only accepting for those warn articles. are only um um deciding on eligibility
and I think the placeholder gives us an out um if if there is a strict deadline where so put on a tucker put on a and if they have to get build and put on an agent and if they get filled they get pulled or if they get filled
>> question for like pro procedure-wise because we have this two-step process is it something if we're going to go do this right is this like okay this is really easy the eligibility but if we have these early projects like we're
proposing should the committee propose that if you're going to an October town meeting which because it's pretty simple it's usually October or May if we're doing October if the eligibility time period is here if you want to go to something earlier should the committee
consider an earlier like final submitt like this this you need to be in by certain certain amount so that we can review that for a certain amount. >> Yeah, I think it I it's a good question and I think it raises a number of issues. I think the you know what I told
the Tucker PO folks is you know what they I mean this this is not on them but the what the committee has to realize is this sets a precedent that we could anticipate other projects doing >> getting in line earlier
>> trying trying to do the same thing. Now, Tucker has we'll we'll evaluate what Nick has to say, but Tucker has a particularly compelling timeline case, I think, uh, to be made. Now, it's up to the committee to to decide on whether
it's compelling enough. Um, but they do have a unique set of circumstances where it's a school playground. Um, construction of the reconstruction of that playground during school year would not be feasible, it seems to me. um the public bid process means it's got
to start early enough so that they can be ready to go the day school ends. You know, all these moving parts, at least when I sat with them, seem unique and compelling, but not to say somebody else couldn't come up with a unique and
compelling um uh set of circumstances. But if on the sixth we find them eligible, when are they going to submit their full proposals for us to >> to you know accept and fund the proposals? I >> I I will say the for them they they are
getting out early. They came before our parks they came before our parks committee >> and and I said hey >> let's don't come back to us. Let's vote for support. So they do have full support from the parks committee. They have really Yeah, they're ready. I mean they have plans almost ready. So in
there, you know, but that it's not an insignificant amount of money. >> All right. I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> And then we will take a roll call. Jenny, >> yes. >> Pete, >> yes.
>> Rob, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Hal, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> All right. And Tom, yes. >> Thank you everybody. Perfect tenants. Um and we will see you July 6th.
>> Thanks everyone. Thanks be >> to