--------- to see me doing email. Oh, okay. All right. Good evening all. Hey, Dad. Good evening, John. How are you? I'm doing all right, sir. Thanks. Um, I think we've got our quorum.
All right. Although, um, Hans I know can't make it. Uh, but I expect Ingred and Wendy, so I'll stall a little bit. Okay. Six inches of rain in Kingston. Is that really? That's a lot of water
for one storm. Yeah. In like one day, day and a half. Well, how many inches at the Blue Hill? Much less. I don't think it was even two. I'm not sure. Okay. All right. Well, it looks like we're at
the 7 7:30 mark, so uh we've got our quum. Um so, let's begin. All right. I I think we're already recording so we don't have to announce anything. But uh good evening ladies and
gentlemen. Welcome to the uh October 14th, 2025 meeting of the Milton Conservation Commission. Commission members are appointed by the select board to implement the rules and regulations of the uh wetlands protection act for the state and the town bylaw governing wetlands. Uh two
issues of formality under the open meeting law. Number one, we invite everybody to speak to ask questions, make comments, but we do ask that you identify yourself for the record, and we are being recorded. Um, and then second, as a matter of uh courtesy and formality, we introduce ourselves. My
name is John Kieran. Let me read right across the top of my screen. Steve, can you introduce yourself? Hi, I'm I'm Steve Ibvis, conservation agent for Milton. Phillip. Hi, Philip Driscoll, conservation clerk. Tom Balmer. Tom Palmer, commission
member. Arthur Doyle. Arthur Doyle, commission member. Uh, Charlie Bosworth. Charlie Bosworth, commission member. Hi. We were just joined by Ingred. Can you introduce yourself? Ingred Batty, commission member.
Hey, great. Good news. Thanks. Hi. Hi, Ingred. All right. Uh number one and number two on the agenda are going to be presented by um Marina Fernandez, the uh town engineer and director of the uh DPW. I probably put that in reverse
order, but she's director of the DPW. Uh she's running a little behind, so we're going to go right to number three, which is certificate of compliance 34 Milton Hill Road. Do we have a presenter for for that? I don't know. Isn't that Josh Wild? I
think is a is a developer. Uh and I don't see him on board this evening. So, we'll just kind of hold that in the bayance. Um and go to um number four, which is that that's you, Ned, at 600 Canton Avenue and 85
Highland Street. That's right. Thank you, uh Mr. Chair, members of the commission. Uh Ned Corkran for the record uh representing uh Milton Residence for the Elderly Winter Valley Residents uh Inc. three
years ago, almost three years ago, the commission uh approved an order of conditions for work associated with a new building six at Winter Valley. Uh there was a isolated wetland that's going to be affected and uh there was a
significant amount of agreement between uh Winter Valley and the town relative to the replication of that wetland uh next door to town wetlands at the down on um on Canton Avenue at the corner of Highland Street. Um and a number of
things. the order of conditions provided for a three-year construction period uh as a result of significant delays with respect to HUD and its funding cycles and funding process. That work is about
to begin but is not yet started and would not be complete by this coming January. So, we are requesting a two-year extension of the order of conditions so that the we have time to get the work uh done.
Sounds like a reasonable request. What What are you asking for for an extension? Two years. Two years. So, from January January of 26 until January of 28. All right. Are there any u members of
the commission that have a question or want to make a comment? Are there any? Yes. Did somebody say yes? Mr. Chairman Steve Ir very reasonable request. Good enough. Uh are there a Butters or members of the public that uh want to
ask a question or make a comment? I don't see any, but I'm not sure I see everybody on the screen. Um I seeing none and I I think Mr. Wild has just joined us. Um but so that we can carry this is there a motion to extend for a
period of two years the uh order of conditions for 600 Centon Avenue 85 Highland Street which is building number six as presented by attorney. Chairman, I move that U. Winter Valley's request of a two-year extension until January
5th, 2028 be adopted by the commission. All right. Is there a second? Second. Thank you very much, Ingred. Is there any discussion among commission members? Hearing none, I'll go right across the top. Tom Palmer, how do you vote? Yes. Arthur Doyle?
Yes. Charlie Bosworth? Yes. Ingred Batty? Yes. and I John Kieran and vote yes as well. That's unanimous. So, you've got your two-year extension, Ned. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, we're going to go backwards on the
uh we're going to go backwards on the agenda. That was number four. Uh so number three is uh certificate of compliance 34 Milton Hill Road. And Josh, I just saw you appear. You're on mute and I can't see you, but I think you're there.
Here you are. Good evening. All right. Hi. We went by you initially, but we're now back to you on the agenda. Uh, can you tell us what you're looking for and why? Sure, not a problem. Uh, good evening, members of the board. My name is JD Wild. I currently reside at, uh, 46
Milton Hill Road. I'm here tonight uh, presenting on behalf of a project that we had approved before this board in December of um, 22 uh, for 34 Milton Hill Road. Uh Jim Burke who is the engineer of record I believe is going to
jump on here but he might have been anticipating a little bit later of a of an agenda timing. So um we are seeking an extension in the short term. Um I am operating on a temporary certificate of occupancy currently uh in my house at 46
Milton Hill because the uh certificate of compliance has not been completed. We did do the uh we excuse me we did complete the uh scope of work last spring including all the plantings. So this winter uh will be the the second of
the uh growing season. So we've had two springs, two summers, two falls, one winter, and this upcoming winter will be the second winter. So, um, uh, in order to, uh, extend my certificate of, uh, occupancy, uh, the building department has asked that I get an extension, um,
until, uh, we're able to get a final certificate of, uh, completion. Uh, so that would be if we need a date certain, you want a year. Uh, one year would be fine. Yes. I I I intend to come back before the board in the spring of next year, which would be
two full growing seasons, um for a completed certificate of compliance. Okay. Um Steve, have you been to the site? And when I say the site, I know there are two addresses. That is correct. Yeah, it was originally one site I subdivide into two lots.
Not recently, John. Okay. All right. Well, perhaps sometime in the next um if I'm I'm looking for a date so we can extend it for a year and then maybe uh you can just come in whenever you uh
whenever the spirit moves you and you've got your uh your certificate from the building department. Sure. Uh one year would be fine. Um John, from a housekeeping matter, um does the board prefer to do um a sitewalk now or would they prefer to do
one at the closure in the spring? Um it it probably would make sense to do it in the spring. Um because if the planting season if if you've if passed your two, you know, your two growing seasons, sometimes we go back and forth as to
whether or not there's two growing seasons or two years. Um, and the issue becomes how many growing seasons in a year? But if we do it this spring, it would it would make perfect sense. Okay, that as well. Sure. Oh, why don't you would you want to set
a a date for this one or just schedule the site visit? Maybe just a site visit in anticipation of of uh if we give you that approval, then that can advance the the building department as well. Uh, sure. So, um, just so I understand,
um, for the extension, you want to do a site visit and then also to close it out, you want an additional site visit. No, no, that's the site visit would be to close it out. The extension, we'll just we'll give you the I mean to speak for the others, but that that's really not an issue for us. Um,
so why don't we do two things? Uh, one at a time. First, um, move to extend uh the order conditions. Um, and then secondly, set up a date next spring and we I'll just, you know, guess, April, uh, I think things starting to bud at that point
and we'll put it on for a site visit and and Philip, just for purposes of, uh, recordkeeping, why don't we choose the date of the April meeting and then we can adjust that date because we're not going to do it on that particular
Tuesday night. But do you have those dates already set up for 2026? Not yet, but I can look on the calendar right now and tell you when it would be. And let's see. So, a it would be the 14th of April and
26. Okay. 414. I would agree with that. All right. And and that we'll put it down for site visit, but that's actually not going to happen because that's the regular meeting just like this one is. But as we get closer, we can adjust the date because we typically set up site
visits u at at each meeting. So that'll be easy to adjust. So the first motion would unless I should stop. Are there any comments from abutters or members of the public? I don't see any and don't hear any. Therefore, I'll enter
John. You didn't ask for comments from commissioners. No, comments from commissioners, of course. Yeah. Um, I just like to say that I did look at the plans we did get. Even though I really didn't understand what the question was, I understand it now.
But I just might say to Mr. Wild, these are two things I noticed on the plans that you might want to look at it before you finalize the plans. These are the two things. Uh, both of these houses are
down the hill from Adam Street. And I think um there's a pumped septage system if I'm not mistaken going up to Adam Street. And if you look at the plans, the sewer lines aren't marked, but there's no indication of what any of the
infrastructure is like where the pumps are, etc. Uh the other thing I noticed was I think this is a sensitive area with public land on one side right above the river. Um, I was pleased to see on the
plans there was a green dash line marked uh 25 foot no disturb zone, but it wasn't labeled at least on one of the plans. There were two big plans and it was labeled on one and the other. I just would like that to be clear. So that's
all I had to say. That was what I noticed on the plans. I do remember being in there with Mr. Wild. I forget when it was. It was warm weather, but there wasn't a second house there then, right? Isn't that correct? Hadn't been built yet. That is correct.
Yeah. All right. Well, um I guess I understand it and uh look forward to seeing you in next year. Thank you. All right. Any other comments, questions? So then is there a motion to extend the
um uh order of conditions uh for a period of one year? So moved. Thank you, Mr. Doyle. Is there a second? I'll second. Second. Thanks, Tom. Um, and Charlie, I heard you too as well. Uh, any discussion?
Hearing seeing no hands raised. Oh, Wendy. Hi. Can you introduce yourself because we missed for the introduction? Yes. Hi. I'm I'm Wendy Garpo, one of the commissioners. I I was actually here, John. I was logging in from my phone so I could I could hear what was was happening.
Oh, good. then you're in a position to vote then as as well. So there's been a motion to extend um for a period of one year and uh it's been seconded. So hearing no discussion, we'll go right across the the top. Tom, how do you vote?
Yes. Charlie, how do you vote? Yes. Ingred, how do you vote? You're on mute. Ingred Yes. Perfect. Thank you. Arthur, how do you vote? Yes. Uh Wendy, how do you vote? Yes.
And I John Karen vote yes as well. Second motion is uh to uh put this on the agenda for a sitewalk. And this is kind of a a holding date uh because it's actually the date of our regular meeting, but as we get closer to April
14th of 2026, we can adjust it to a an otherwise scheduled site visit. Um and and JD, for your purposes, we we typically uh meet at 8:30 on a Saturday morning, which when would be when the site visit takes place. But for holding
purposes, is there a motion to put this on the agenda just so we can track this case um on April 14th, 2026? I'll move that. Thanks, Tom. Is there a second for that? Second.
Thanks, Charlie. All right. Any discussion? Hearing none. I didn't hear anything. Right. Okay. All right. Tom, how do you vote? Yes. Charlie, yes. Arthur, yes. Ingred, yes.
Wendy, yes. And I, John Kieran, vote yes as well. That's unanimous. Um, all right. So, I I think we're set. Um, you've got your one-year extension and we're on for April 14th and we'll be in touch with you or at least uh Phil Driscoll will be
in touch with you. Um, Mr. Wild as we approach April for the sitewalk. Okay. Sure. I I put a note in my calendar as well. So, thank you very much. Perfect. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Have a great evening. Thanks. You too. Um, now we've I'm I'm looking I I don't see
Marina. Am I missing her? fill up with Steve just make sure you tell me when she arrives is u sure because as a department head we generally put uh we will put her out of the the head of the list. So going back to our agenda uh we've now done uh three
and four and so we now go to number five which is uh certificate of compliance Wallist Golf Course. Um Kelly I see you present. Yes. Mr. Crandon has already introduced himself to us so we're ready to go.
Okay, thank you. Um, so, uh, we're here this evening to request a certificate of compliance for order conditions 460457. Um, it was issued in 2013. Um, and it allowed for improvements on the golf course. Um, removal of some existing
paved cart path and relocation of gravel cart path at the second hole. Um, extension of car path at the eighth hole using pvious pavement. Addition of two T's, an extension of an existing cart path at the 11th hole, extension of the existing cart path using per previous
pavement, removal of diseased white pine trees, and construction of a bridge at the 12th hole. Um, as well as a tea and burial of 900 ft of existing above ground utilities. Um there were trees proposed for mitigation for tree removal
and a 550 foot replicated wetland area uh planted with native vegetation and shrubs to mitigate for the 544 ft of turf BVW converted to a gravel car path. Um, many of you were on the commission at the time and probably remember that
this order was appealed um by a neighbor on September 11th of 2013 and it was amended several times under both the wetlands protection act and the Miltontown bylaw. And so in the package that we gave to you, I gave you all the orders and all the amendments. So, it's
really thick, but um D issued their superseding order in August of 2014 and after which the project was approved under the bylaw only three more times and they all had to do with trees and mitigation. The final amendment was
issued in December of 2019 and allowed for modifications of tree locations and types and it permitted the pay the club to pay $22,000 in lie of planting 44 trees. So as part of this uh request for certificate of compliance, we provided
you with um the check in that amount. Um some of the work that was proposed was not undertaken. Um the burial of the um utilities was not done. Um and then the rest of the work I think
we probably can see on the um on the as builds. Uh, can I go ahead and share my screen? Yes, Steve, that's You've got that open. Oh, if Steve's got it open, that's great. I think it is.
Let me know if you can. Okay, Steve, am I supposed to be sharing? Yes. Okay, cool. I'm sending you a request. It says, let's see. I am allowing you now. Here we go. Okay.
Okay. Let's see. Okay. Can you all see that now? Yes. This is the This is the asbuilt. Um this is the the 12th hole. So um this was a new tea that was installed. There were a number of trees removed in this location
and there's some mitigation uh plantings here of um Atlantic cedars. Um this is the area here which was pvious pavement. You can see that underneath it is kind of a fine
line and the um this car path varies in location by a small amount um as you go along here. Um these areas in orange are compensatory flood storage. One of the differences
that occurred is we filled less flood plane than was anticipated in the plans and we also provided more compensatory flood storage than was provided for on the plans. If we go down to the and there um the
work in the resource and buffer areas is um is listed here. what was approved and and what was in the asbuilt. If we look at this one right here, which is hole 11 asbuilt, um the intention was
that there would be a cart path that went all along here. Um that cart path was not constructed. This is a bunker that was proposed. The bunker is um a few feet to the west um than what it was proposed and it's
larger than what it was proposed. Here um we are outside of the wetland. At this location, we are in the buffer zone. If we go to this one, which is the back tea on the 11th hole, this is
um the driveway. Okay. And if you continued, you'd go to the maintenance facility here and you'd kind of go up the hill to the cart path at this location. This is the new tea that was constructed and there was a curtain drain that was required by the commission that was installed at this
location. On the left side here of the the access driveway, there was supposed to be a tee and some stairs. Those were not constructed. This is the eighth hole. Um it's pvious pavement. This is the location of the cart path. And you can see it varies um
by a very small amount here uh and in this area um than what it was actually proposed. Kelly, what's the variance um on the eighth hole? the the variance is is that it was
supposed to be 8 feet wide and it's 6.8 ft wide here. Um, and it shifted over about 6 feet here to the west. As we go in this area, there's essentially no variance.
And then it pulls a little further away from the wetland right here. You can see it was supposed to be at this location and it's 6.6 feet wide here. Um the asbuilt area is 1,600 square ft and the
proposed area of payment was 1,900 ft². So we've got a little bit less pvious pavement than what we had proposed in the plan. Thank you. This is the second hole. So this is um an asbuilt gra of the
gravel cart path 712 um square feet here. Uh the asbuilt pavement cart path removed was 386 square ft and the area that we had proposed to remove was slightly larger. Um, let me
blow this up a little bit. And I think it came down to where the cut in the cart path was made and the angle that that cart path was made. Um, so the cart path here is um the approved
location was 692 ft. The asbuilt is 712 ft. Um, and the area that was removed here is 386 square ft. You can see that there it used to go kind of to the left here and
it goes straight now. So, that's the variation on that one. So, what what's the the net increase there? I I know you said 712, but is that minus I see an awful lot there. So, it's not minus the full 300 and
whatever. No. Um, so the approved alteration in the 100 foot buffer was 452 ft and we built 434. The approved alteration in BVW was 544
square ft and we built 576. So you're over by over by 32 feet. Okay. Um we had proposed to remove 396 ft of impervious and we removed 386 ft of
impervious. So that was 10 square ft. And like I said, we think that it it has to do with the angle of how this was cut because it's a these are very small amounts. Understood. Go ahead.
Um so the other thing I just wanted to show you is um these are some of the mitigation plantings. These are the two pin oaks that were planted on the 13th hole. And these photos are from September of
2025. These are the Atlantic white cedars. There are 50 of them here. Um the ones Excuse me, but there's not 50 in that picture. There's maybe looks like 10. So what happens is they go around here
and then they go back here. So I if we took the picture that far back to show all 50 of them, um it was very hard to see since the tree backdrop is there. But I assumed that you would want to do a site visit and they're all flagged in the field. Uh, good. Yeah, I would like to visit.
Thank you. So, um, if we blow it up a little bit, I think you can probably see the red the red flags here. Um, I know that there's one there. Is that an upland area where they're
planted? Yes, it is. So, the ones that are here look pretty good. There's one here that looks less good. You can see it. Where they're getting sun, they're doing well. Where the other trees are kind of
encroaching, they're doing less well. It's very rare for them to occur outside of a wetland in nature. So I just I'm curious about whether they will even if they're pampered they will do well in a dry
site. So they were um the original plan was to plant arborites there and um they the um based on some discussion with the commission um they were the thought was that arbites is not a particularly
native species and that might not be the best choice. Um, so they became Atlantic white seeders. Um, well, um, I wish them well and we'll get a good look because they've been in it for a while, right? They have. They have. Yeah.
Um, and this is the wetland replication area. Um, you can see that there are are flags here uh in the and stakes that show you where the the wetland flags were. So you'll be able to
look at that. Um the replication area looks really good. Um there's a lot of diversity. Um it's it's quite dense, but there were 15 shrubs that were required to be planted and all 15 were planted. Um there are 10 remaining at this point.
Uh they're the winter berries that have survived. Um we think that the others, this was an area that was heavily inundated in June. Um there was a lot of rain and there were some beaver issues that affected the golf course significantly.
Um so they lost five of the shrubs um during that event. So between the deer browsing and that flooding um but I think that the wetlands consultant Paul Mcmanis came out and looked at it. Um Steve had an opportunity to look at it.
Uh it looks great. the club has done a a remarkable job at making sure that there's no um fragmitees in this area because fragmmites is very very prevalent as you get into the woods here. Um so that's the that's one of the other
exceptions that we that we noted on the plans and in the document is that we are uh five shrubs short at this location. Kelly, I I was uh I lost my internet connection for a while, so I lost what part of what you said. And I think you
just answered the question, but I had a question on page five of your report. Um and I think that's what you were just talking about when I came back in because you said that you planted 15 shrubs and 10 of them did not survive.
No, 10 of them did survive. Five of them did not survive. Okay. So, the winterberry, which is kind of woody and hardy, did well. Um, the others didn't make it in that um pretty significant flood period that they had
in June of this year. Do you remember where the other ones were? Um, I can tell you from the original plans. Hold on. Beavers will not only drown shrubs, but
they'll eat them, too. Well, um I don't know. Someone else will have to tell me if the beavers were actually present here. I did a site visit um right after the water receded. Maybe Charles can help with that. Um whether
the beavers were were actually physically here. Um, and Charles, if you want to comment on that, I'll take a look at what the other plants were. Martha, I haven't seen them go after blueberry, wild blueberries.
Have you? They like alder. Um if if if we once we get to the site visit, you'll see that there is a number of trees that the beavers um went after in that area. Um
along the bridge. Um so they were they were pretty active in Russell's Pond and up and down the the stream leading into Pine Tree Brook. any particular varieties? They they weren't really very selective.
They were just active. Right. Is that pine tree brook on the first plan we saw? There seemed to be a large wetland feeding in the pond, but there wasn't any stream indicated in it. Was
that where Andre Brook comes through or not. Um I will go back and No, it's it's not. Yeah, I think I think that was Russell Pond. Yeah, that's
it's nowhere near Yeah, this is this right here is Russell Pond. Okay. Um, Route 28, Pine Tree Brook, goes under it and into the golf course and uh, it enters
Russell Pond, doesn't it? There's water that goes under Randolph Avenue. Yes, but I'm sure that's Pine Tree Brook. I I don't know either. I can tell you how the water flows. It starts at the Blue
Hills Reservoir and it's the longest tributary of Pinery Brook. Whether you whether you think Pine Tree Brook goes to Hillside Pond or the Blue Hills Reservoir is sort of a matter of preference. But yeah, there's a considerable watershed on the east side
of Route 28 that goes under the road there and into the golf course. There there's two there's two coverts right here. Um and and 28 is um is is just up here on my off of my plan.
Yeah, we're we're we don't see you, Kelly. You're not screen sharing at this point. Thank you. Sorry, John. Here's the original plans. And these might give you a better orientation if I can just
Yeah, that one on top is a large scale. Yep. It there we go. So this is Russell Brook at Russell Pond. This is Randolph Avenue, right? And so this is the driveway into the
golf course. So the bridge area is where the bridge was constructed is right here. And you do show a stream channel there, don't you? We this. Yes. This is there's water that comes in here underneath Randolph A, right? And then there's a culvert that goes
into the pond at this location and then the water leaves the pond through uh a damned area underneath the driveway and yes, goes down through here. Right. I I would call that Pine Tree Brook because that is a main stream that
comes under Route 28. I think there might be another one, but that carries most of it. And that is a stream by which Russell Pond got half full of Cory Hill sediment if you remember. Absolutely. You can Yeah,
you can you can still see that delta right there. Yeah. All right. That's that was my question. I think the first plan you showed us didn't show the stream channel and uh I didn't know that the stream actually
gets to the pond via paired culverts. I thought maybe there was an open channel but there's not I guess those culver Yeah, those culverts have been there a long time. Yeah. All right. I' I've got uh two questions.
uh and it goes back to the survival rate um that I that I noted and I I had it backwards, you know, five died as opposed to 10 died, but it's twothirds. So, my question is this and I and I don't know the answer. Um the the state
uh guidance is 75% survival after two growing seasons. Um but I don't know if that's you know, we apply that to our usually to our landscape plans that we see. Um, and so that there are two questions I've got here. Does that apply to replication
area as well as what what I would call a landscape plan? And then the second question is, is the survival rate for all plantings or is it just for what what the plan calls for? Like in this case, it it
called for 15 shrubs. And I know the picture shows that there's a lot of growth there. So, so I I discussed this with Paul and in his um memo that he provided, he notes that um
we we exceed the requirements under the Wetlands Protection Act. But this is um th this is a little bit unusual because we're asking you for a certificate of compliance under the bylaw and we're asking D for a certificate of of
compliance under the superseding order because this this project had kind of that long and storied history of of the neighbor. Yes, the neighbor. So of of the
neighbor. Um so uh Paul feels like there's no question that under the wetlands protection act this this uh wetland exceeds the requirements and I guess
if it exceeds it how because I mean two survival isn't high enough but so what what is he counting towards survivability? all of the other um plants that and and uh vegetation that's
there. So um he says it has generally good cover by um wetland species. Um there are 10 planted winterberries. Those were the shrubs that were um at least 3 to four feet in height with significant branching and fruiting. The
winterberry shrubs appear to be um uh you know healthy. There's a dense and diverse herbaceous plant community in the replication area which includes the following species. Jeweleede, Joe pieed, sensitive fern, American burned on the
upper edge, straw colored flat sedge, bone set, purple stem beggar ticks and fox sedge. Um and then he also notes that immediately west of the replication area is an area of several hundred square feet which has
an herbaceous plant community um that includes wet meadow species and which the com the um the club has um committed at this point to only mowing once a year. Um you know the wetland species and I'm reading from Paul's notes. The
wetland species likely colonized the area when water levels were temporarily elevated by the beaver dam. None. Nevertheless, the area is is a transitional wet meadow community and golf course personnel indicated that they would restrict mowing in this area to an autumn cutting to promote meadow
development um bordering the replication area. So as he says based on my field observations it's my opinion that the wetland replication area construction has resulted in the establishment of successful BVW replication with
appropriate soils hydrarology and a plant community that exceeds the requirements of 310 CMR 10.554B6 at least 75% of the surface of the replacement area shall be reestablished with indigenous wetland plant species.
This conclusion acknowledges that the shrub plantings differ from the replication protocol, but in my opinion, the shrubs in place provide for cover, structure, and wildlife food that meets or exceeds that that was which proposed. All right. I I understand that that's
what he said. I I just want to make sure that the commission members address that in their thought process. uh because we oftentimes are dealing with not a replication area, but we simply have planting plants. Um and we require 75%
survival rate after two growing seasons and and we count the trees that are in the landscape plan and then you know do our percentages based off off of that as opposed to any wetland species uh that's that's growing there. I'm not arguing against it. I'm just presenting it as an
issue that I I request that people think about when this is this is Steve. I I agree with Paul entirely. Uh he makes a very good point and he's got a lot of species
there that you wouldn't necessarily plant. A lot of those herbaceous species came in on their own with the seed bank. that's on the site, which is a very good thing.
All right. Now, my only reason for bringing it up again, Steve, I I'll have to reiterate. I'm not arguing against Paul's position. What I'm suggesting is that it's food for thought for us because often times we're not in a replication area.
And we have we have planting plans that will say, I'll just make up a number, 10 trees, and you know, five of them die. So it's only 50% survival rate. Is a person going to come back and say, "Well, look at this grass growing where the trees died." Does the grass that
growing where the trees died, does that constitute some kind of a growth if it's a wetland species? Sure. All right. Lots of times we do this in upland areas. So I that's why I use the example of just plain oldfashioned
grass. Um, right. Okay. It's just it's just it's food for thought and and the pictures showed that it seemed to be a wellestablished uh replication area. I'm just finding this issue that we may have to address it later on under different circumstances
as to what are we applying the survivability rate to. Mhm. Is it the landscape plan or is it simply growth in this case species of which I I'm happy to happy to see it.
Right. Okay. Was that Yes. was that it was growth. I'm sorry. My interpretation it was it was growth within the
the landscape plan the survivability of the bushes and the herbaceous author. Well, I don't know. Is Arthur adding the and or not? Because if if I heard Arthur correctly, if there were 15 bushes to be planted or
shrubs and five of them died, that means it's 2/3 survived, not 75%. So, the issue is that as presented by Paul McCannis, is that well, that that doesn't matter because that's not the
percentage you're looking at. you're looking at to see whether or not the herbaceous cover and in this case they're wetland species did that basically cover the entirety uh and not simply 75%.
It's 75% of what? That's that's the issue. And again, I think I hear you, John. Correct me if I'm wrong. You're saying there's two standards. The one that we have applied to landscape plans and
there's another one that's written into the regulations that refers to the success of wetland replication. And uh the second one focuses on vegetation rather than trees per se. So
I think what you're saying to me is let's be aware of what standard we're applying and where. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah. All right. Anyway, I I think um I didn't mean to
cut you off. Were you finished, Kelly? Yes. All right. because I I I think I heard um um I don't know if Steve recommended or Tom did, but a sidewalk. Is that appropriate in this case? See, somebody's going to say yes or no.
Yeah. Well, how can we issue a certificate of compliance unless we have seen whether the compliance happened? Perfect. Then you favor a sitewalk. Thank you. All right. So, and do others favor a sidewalk as
well, and if so, when can we set it up? My answer is yes. Yes to both. All right. So, let's take a look at our calendars and um uh let's look at the next four Saturdays.
And if the only thing that we have to worry about, it's public meeting. So, we just have to give uh Philip enough time to announce it. And uh how about this Saturday? The date of which is what? 18th. 18th.
I'm good. Tom, you good? Yeah. Sorry, it's the 19th. I made a mistake. Wait a minute. No, it's the 18th. Sorry. 18th. Good. Okay, so Tom's good. Arthur, are you good? Um,
problematic. Okay. Um, how about the next week, Tom? Which would be what? The 25th. I can do that. Can you do the 25th in the morning, Charlie? Um, yeah,
Wendy. Um, I I cannot, but I also um I'm going to be out of town, but I also wanted to draw attention to the commissioners that that's MACC's conference in case anyone was planning on attending
it. Okay. I don't know if that changes. Tom, Arthur, Charlie, it doesn't I I was not going to the conference. What's that? Doesn't affect me. Okay. I can't make it.
You cannot make it. I cannot make the contra meeting. I mean the uh Mac meeting. Okay. All right. But you can still do the morning for us. Yes. All right. I just want to say I cannot make it because I have a wedding.
A wedding? You think that you're gonna use a wedding? That's my excuse in Connecticut. That's a good one. Yeah, I could I could bring you the invite if you needed me to, but so um if if um I I told Charles this before. Um so,
uh I'm just going to tell you ahead of time that if that's the time that you choose, I will not be able to be there. Okay. What's What's the next um uh Saturday? The first opening Saturday is November 8th, John, if that helps.
Um wait a minute. How do we get from the 25th to the I was just saying that I'm I'm not open again until November 8th. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Just so that you know. Okay. Um Tom, November 8th. Yeah. But how many do we have for the
18th? I think I can do the 18th. Okay. October 18th is coming. Yes, we have a we we have a quorum on the 18th then with Ingred. Wendy, you said no. Charlie said yes.
Um Arthur, I can't 18. You cannot. Okay, Tom and me. So, we've got a quorum. Um all right. One, two, three, four. So rather than kicking this out forever, um
unless somebody objects, uh let's set it for the 18th at 8 a.m. Doesn't matter. I have to be careful. Wendy, are you going or not going? I I I'm not going. No.
Okay. So, we make it eight. We'll make it eight. 6 a.m. would would work great. Dark talking. I'm sorry. Retribution. John, do we expect another sitewalk or or no?
Um, yes and no. Um, we we may have something else on the agenda. Um, but we won't have to go anywhere. We can do it right there and it won't be lengthy. I I'll bring it up under additional business,
but we don't have to go anywhere. It's just another agenda item. Okay. And you say and you say it'll be rather quick. Yes, indeed. Okay. So, I'm sorry. We are we 8 or 8 8 or 8:30 for the 18th? 8.
8 o'clock is good. Okay. Cool. All right. All right. So, we'll see you at 8 o'clock this coming Saturday, the 18th. And Philip, you've got to get that uh notice out um very quickly. I'm doing first and tomorrow morning. Perfect. And and John, remember the sun
will be just coming up. How do you know that? No, it won't be. It'll be up in like half an hour. Exactly. All right. And where exactly are we to meet? Um I think we can meet at the grounds building.
That's good. And we there's a place to park our car at the grounds building, right? There's not there's not a a lot of parking at the grounds building. Yeah. On Saturday mornings though, it's fairly light. Is it okay? Yeah. It's very It's very light. We have a light light crew on Saturday
morning. We'll have cart We'll have carts there. Oh, great. Thanks, Charles. Yep. Very good. All right. We'll see you Saturday morning. Thank you very much for the presentation. Thank you. All right. All right. Next. Next on the agenda is
Marina has arrived. Aha. All right. We'll go back to number one on the agenda then. Thank you for Marina for Where are you? There you are. Okay. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. Can you all hear me? Well,
yes, we can. Fantastic. So, let me make sure that I can share my screen if you if I may. I'll be speaking. I believe that the first item of the agenda is the granite a pump station
um resiliency project. Correct? It's it's number two, but you can begin wherever you want. Oh. Uh so we will talk about number one, which is the Beaver Dam removal at
upstream of the dam. It's the proposed beaver removal at Pine Tree Brook located upstream of Pine Tree Brook Dam. Um, let me see if I can share my screen.
Just give me one second. Share. Can you see my share screen? Yes. Yes, we can. That's the thing. Thank you. So, the Harlet Street Dam, just to kind of give you a a little bit of uh
background, it was as a it's a structure built by the USDA and the SCS in the 1960s. Um, the town is required to do periodic maintenance uh work uh uh in work and maintains the surrounding burm and
streamways. Uh the structure is uh stemming from um floods that have occurred downstream uh of uh Pine Treebrook around the um
Mar um near Pine Tree Brook by the by the high school in the 50s. destructive uh floodings um destroyed a lot of properties and made a lot of damage um over historically. So that's why this uh
large structure structure which is currently loc located located uh at the near the intersection of an unquen and Harland street um it it allows it it allows the land behind it to function as a detention basin and let
the water out slowly during a a storm not to create flooding downstream. Currently there is a beaver dam that is shown here in this yellow area. It it's uh currently um creates a level that the
water is retained behind this dam uh 2 feet higher than usual. Uh and this is really taking capacity during a storm event because if it already is holding area uh holding an additional
two feet of water during crucial uh storm events uh that capacity is already taken by ponding due to the dam uh not allowing for additional water to be retained behind. Um the town of Milton
DPW uh received an emergency email. I believe it was around um spring of this year u notified by the DCR
about this uh dam. This dam has been I cannot say for certain. uh beavers have been known to sometimes construct these bam dams rather quickly but we uh suspect that they have been it's been
being bu built for over uh just about around a year. Uh we to also provide you a little bit of feedback. We the DPW then um connected with the town uh
health department and request special perm permission to trap those beavers um during the during this past summer. uh those beavers were trapped and now we move on to phase two which is once the the the
beavers have now been um taken out away from the area uh we are requesting permission to uh dissolve this dam in a safely manner in a way that it will not impose any threats to the environment uh
knowing the restriction in um in this area Um so I'm I'm here in uh requesting that permission. Um we found a company uh um called wildlife uh
nuance. Uh they was they were the ones that uh did the beaver trapping for us. Um we also requested their means and methods for which they are proposing for us to remove the dam uh in a safely
manner. Um, and these were proposed in a in a write up. Basically, they would create one or three 6-in breaches in the 150 ft uh wide dam to allow a very slow
and controlled flow of water from the upstream area of the dam. Um, a 4-in drainage pipe would be laid to secure the brereech uh throughout that period. Um the water levels will be monitored over
the next few days and then the pipe will be removed and we will proceed to the next uh small breach. Um the removal of the 150 ft dam in small sections uh talking about five foot to
10 feet at a time minimizes potential for a surge uh of water debris and sediments downstream creating havoc downstream. Um uh the dam materials uh including the sticks, the weeds and veget vegetation
which is what makes up the dam will be collected, piled on shore and removed. Uh currently we already have access to a portion of that location because that's what we weed whack with. Um that um dam
is required to be weed whacked and um maintained as I mentioned before. So this wouldn't be a new access to um the area as it currently stands. Um
and again the the the note is the slow and control release of the water reducing effects downstream um preventing damage downstream um minimizing sediment release and uh uh wash downstream. And also um this is a a
good time of the year to do this as the fish, reptile and amphibians eggs uh would be least affected affected. Um it's estimated that it would take about 30 days from start to finish. About one
week of getting the water levels down, then about three weeks of slow dam removal. Um and um they would be on site approximately two to three days a week um doing the fully removal of the dam.
It's a one or two person crew with basically uh small hand tools in a kayak at one point. At one point they would have to access the water in a kayak. Um our plan is to start this work within two weeks
after approval by this commission. So, with that being said, um I will turn it back to you all. This this I I want to apologize beforehand. I always have a uh someone more knowledgeable
than I am when presenting to this board and it's my first time presenting it myself. So, I apologize if I missed any uh important information. Marina, I don't believe you missed anything. Thank you very much for your very articulate presentation. U and I
have a question for you and um I recognize that this is a notice of intent with a very specific and focused uh job at hand. And I also appreciate the fact that in your narrative uh you're trying to prevent a surge of
water because you're you're concerned with sedimentation downstream. So, if I can just put that aside and and uh give you some information that I think it was in September, although it could have been at our August meeting,
one of the citizens of Milton, perfect came in and and told us about some problems with the culvert um both under Holland Street and also under Anquity Road um and suggested that
someone and the someone was the question mark whether or not it's DCR, whether it's the town of Milton. Um I know there are different agencies involved, but brought up the question about do those culverts need some work on them at this time to help control the water flow from
this exact same dam. I mean our dam, the people dam, not the not the beaver dam. Um so my question is would this be an appropriate time to look at the the downstream culvert uh while the dam that
beaver dam is being taken down and the water is being released um should we or somebody and maybe it's I don't know if it's DCR or not but can we coordinate this? Yeah. So, the I'm I'm going to pull up a
um an aerial uh view of the area you're talking about and then I'll try to share my view again and share with all folks that might not be familiar with both the upstream and downstream locations because we have up we have there are different issues
different ownership for both the upstream and downstream. So, uh just bear with me as I share the screen once again. Sure. All right. So, back to where we were I was showing you. Um,
uh, here is the dam. Our our beaver dam work will be located right over here. There is a silver located on on Harlem Street. Um, a portion of the driver, the
biggest driver as to why we were doing this work, removing the dam, removing the beaver is because of the excessive flooding on Harlem Street. Uh, the road gets washed out um on a yearly basis. I've only been uh ahead of the DPW for
about 10 months. It's been washed out twice from the the last 10 months that I almost very close to 11 months uh that I've been you mean overflowed
overflowed because washed out means the road gets removed a portion of the road uh Mr. Palmer are just uh we we have to maintain the road. We have to close the road so cars uh do
not access it um because the road is not visible at all and we we fear that folks can just not be driving on on a roadway. It did not get underwater. I agree.
Yes. It it did not it did not get fully 100% washed out. You're right. It's just portion of the roads need repair like um the potholes and and and the side edges of it uh do get away a bit. Um
there is a cover underneath of Harland. Uh the town of Milton maintains that. The DPW maintains uh we've seen it. Uh we um again on a on a yearly basis uh we do post uh storm inspections every time.
So so basically this week we are in post storm mode. Uh someone will be out there making sure that it's clear. Uh but the levels are are are vis visibly higher uh than they have been in the past. Um
there is an ongoing shovel ready project for discovered um that was part of a a two year two years ago uh the DPW uh design improvements to
the discover uh that project is on the shelf. Uh we will not bring it to the conservation commission. It will require NOI but there isn't a a clear path of funding. uh we had issues with funding
uh this past uh year or so when uh the town was not MBTA compliant so we couldn't um submit to some projects that we we thought would be uh this would be a good candidate we we are now MBTA compliant so we are now looking at uh
some u funding mechanism that could help the town uh improve this cover if that's the cover you're mentioning it uh Mr. chairman if if not there's also uh as you can see the pine tree continues down
this way but once it goes under this over here ony that is no longer the town of Milton uh we did try to partner it is DCR land uh we did try to partner with
the DCR which you know uh I ironically enough they were the ones that notified us about our big beaver issue. Uh we asked them if they would have the means and methods to kind of continue to make improvements along with us knowing that
this needed to be uh a combined uh project. We would take care of our portion knowing that that water would need to flow then downstream to their portion. Um they unfortunately because of funding mechanisms and because of timing with their contractors
and uh all sorts of other things um they did not make improve they did not make the requirement required steps to be right now uh at the point where they would be removing the breeze. However, with that being said, they are well
aware that I'm here today requesting this request from you. um and they know that that water will be flowing towards their uh section on Pine Tree Brook. So, so again, uh different ownerships.
Uh we got DCR land on this side. We got of Milton to portion over here. And then further upstream, um encroaches in your previous applicant, uh the Wall Golf
Club. Understood. And I had for the benefit of the other commission members, I had an opportunity last I don't know June or July or something. We we actually met on site um
and Marina was present as were the DC R folks and and we met actually right right in the area that we're looking at right now uh adjacent to where it says Aquity Road uh and and looked at the dam there and we were looking for alternative means of getting the water
level down without trapping the beavers but uh um and Marina was was very proactive and went out and and sought advice from uh the two entities that I know from the MACC, the Beaver Solutions and there's there's
another company that's involved, but apparently the experts said that um the Beaver deceiver technique would not work given the the the layout of this land and the the water and the length of the I guess the length of the dam was pretty
significant. Um, and so that's why they ended up getting the permit from the board of health. Um, because DCI was convinced that we we can't fix it without trapping the beavers. Um, but at this juncture it just seems like I I'd
love to be able to get back to DCR and ask them to take advantage of our work that is the town's work and use that opportunity to clean out the culvert between you know as you head downstream
towards the Canton Avenue dam. Um they um you're right the they have they have been maintaining the pine tree brook here the cover uh there are some uh pinch points located due to their own
beaver uh issues. Uh just a reminder that uh the beaver trapping, the reason why we needed to do beaver trapping special permission with the board of health is because we were outside of the uh beaver
trapping um timeline. So, starting November 15th, if I'm not incorrect, starting November 15th, it there is it's it's beaver trapping season and you do not need special
permit for trapping a beaver. That is my understanding. Um, but again, I I I could be wrong. I I can go back to this uh to this board w with clarification on that. But with that
being said, um the DPW can very well uh write a letter reinforcing the um those at the DCR. We've been in communication with them u that this is happening and that they should be
clearing their portion as we'll see all that water stream downstream. But that that would be helpful. Maybe it's overly optimistic that they would suddenly find the money to do it and the personnel to do it, but it seems like an an opportunity for them to coordinate
their work with your work. All right. Other questions from commission members of u of um I have a question. Can you hear me? Yes, I I can hear you.
Um, my question is the people are actually going to be removing the dam. Are those the town employees? No, it's the uh sta uh company that trapped the the the beavers. They are
called um they're called um hold on a second. Um be uh they're called wildlife nuance. Uh they I had a really hard time finding the special and
the um licensed folks uh to do that do this work. um they're very specialized in and they work a lot by region and um these were the folks that uh the DCR had recommended over
um and the folks that the DCR recommended couldn't do the work. They recommended this company instead. I hear you. I was concerned about that in part because I thought they were going to have to use
some kind of motorized equipment or heavy equipment to remove the dam and I was concerned that that might more do more damage than the benefit of removing the dam. I never tried to remove a beaver dam myself. Don't know how hard
it is. Don't know how you would do it with hand tools. It's intriguing the plan that's described because they say they will make breaches six inches wide. I wonder how you do that, what tools you use.
When they make those breaches, then they'll put pipes down at the bottom. That seems to be very shrewd because they lower the water level before they try to get at the dam. But at any rate, most of the dam is in wetlands and we're
supposed to condition any work in wetlands so that the public interests aren't harmed in the wetlands. And I'm just a little sensitive about the amount of work actually going on in
the wetland. And um my initial thought was suppose we just say okay you can remove the ends of the dam that are at the upland edges where they're easy to get at like at the burm ony and on the
other side off Harland Street there's a little upland you can walk in on and if you were to remove either end of the dam then hopefully it would drain out like is the point of the whole exercise But
you would get that advantage without having to muck around in the wetland and uh drag stuff around and take it out and so forth, which is more difficult to do, I think. And I would just mention in that regard, I did
look at the form you filled out. And on that form, you're supposed to say how many square feet of wetland resource areas you're impacting. And in that form, the box for bordering vegetative wetland wasn't checked. I don't think
so. It just seems to me because this is a job in the wetland. It's our responsibility to try to see it's done with the least impact on the wetland. I'm not against it
conceptually, but I feel that I don't really understand why the whole dam has to come out. I think it would rot away by itself if the beavers didn't come back. So, that's why I'm floating this halfway solution of just getting
rid of the ends first. Um, if you don't mind, I actually had asked the same questions. uh they're just going to use shovels. Uh they're just going to reach uh portions that they can take their hand they can take
it down with shovels um through a um kayak that they will be used at portions. Uh the reason why they don't target the ends is because those ends are not necessarily the uh easiest
uh to come get out with shovels. So they will find little, you know, opportunistic uh points within the dam and they will use a kayak. They will take that debris. They will lower,
wait two, three days, uh, penetrate it with a 4-in pipe. All they need to do is penetrate it with a 4-in pipe. That water will drain. They will once it's dry, it's easier for them to get it down. and uh they will move it in that
direction. I had the exact same question as to you know I think uh u um chairman Kern was at that location. I wasn't understanding why did we need to remove the the beavers to begin with or why the dam
needed to go and why couldn't we just keep those pipes in place. But beavers are very smart creatures. um they will very quickly rebuild that dam if we don't take it out if we only
take portions out of it. Um and this will be a maintenance project for the DPW moving forward. I believe that the plan is just to keep on top of maintaining that location uh so that we
are not in this predictment comes next year or the year following. All right, that's helpful and it does matter to me that the work will be done not very intrusively. In other words, by
hand with shovels. Thanks, Tom. And and thanks um Marina as well. Are there other commissioners that have comments, questions? I I can't see everybody here. Oh, Arthur, your hand is up. Yes, sir. I was just going to add that as I I read
Marina's document, one of the thoughts that struck me of supporting the removal of the full dam is Beaver Dam uh is the fact that last year we had u extraordinary rains
and this is a a tremendously sensitive area watershed area and I'm not so sure that it wouldn't be to the best advantage of the community as a whole to have that DM came out of the way to prelude any um
significantly adverse conditions that equal that of last year in terms of precipitation or will be greater than we had last year. Thank thanks Arthur. Um I can't see others. Um Marina, you might if you take your screen sharing down. I think I can
see everybody. Sorry. Okay. Oh, that's great. Are there other commission members that have a question or would like to make a comment? Um, are there um I can't say about this because this is a big area. But are the members of
the public that would like to ask a question or make a comment? John Ned Ned Corkran. Um I'm here on be behalf of Boston Golf Club which is in a butter to the town conservation land and
if I can share screen quickly um can we see that? Not yet. There you go. Now we can see it. So this is the same area that uh Marina was
showing. Ballson Golf Course is here. As you saw earlier in their presentation, Pine Tree Brick does flow through the edge of the golf course. It comes into this large wetland and flood storage area that's owned by the town and flows
down through uh uh this the dam that is owned at Harland and Equity. Um the uh Wallist supported the town's application for the uh removal of the beavers themselves and in fact paid uh
the cost of the town for the trapping services because of the damage that was happening back to the golf course associated with the water that was flowing back up upland and unable to uh move down as a result of the beavers. So
um another concern that we raised at the board of health perspective was that you know if this area is not able to drain appropriately in accordance with the dam's function um then you run into some potential issues with septic systems on
Ford Ranch Roadworth Farm and up on Harland Street. Uh those are uh problems that we think should be avoided. Uh so we supported wholeheartedly the application to remove the beavers themselves and um Wall supports
wholeheartedly the the application filed by Marina and the town for the removal of the dam itself. It strikes me that if you fail to remove the dam completely um then it will be eas uh and if beavers are beavers are back
they'll rebuild it uh and create these types of issues going forward. So with respect to that, we would encourage um the the commission to respond uh to vote favorably on the town's uh application. Can I just remark something there?
Sure, John. I hear what you're saying, Ned, but aren't we sort of proposing eternal war? We're saying if you come and you build dams, we will come and get you and we will remove the dams.
And if that's going to be our plan going forward, where does it end? Does it end? Good question, Tom. I don't certainly don't know the answer to that, but if but if we don't do everything we can today with the state of uh things as
they exist today, we may certainly make it easier for them to come back. I hear you. All right. Um, Roy Chambers, I I see your hand raised. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, Roy Chambers here. Um,
first I was down uh the other end uh by uh near where the uh Ulan Rink is where the Pine Tree Brook goes through that area. And I was there when the DCR removed the dam that was down there right at the Harlem
Bridge. and they had to bring in a steam shovel, a monstrous steam shovel to remove that dam. Secondly, I'm very familiar with around that uh the whole damn area there. I've actually tried to even get
down to the to the brook through all the uh the trees and and and brush there. And you know, I couldn't even get down there. I don't know how they're going to ever get down close to that dam. And if that dam is 100 feet long, I'm telling
you, using a kayak and shovels, they'll be the they'll be there for 10 years trying to do that. I can't imagine that they would be able to uh do that. Um but I know that whole area around the dam is
just totally grown out and congested with all kind of bush. They they would have their hands full doing that. Plus, when you get into the brook, you know, I mean, you got to get out of the kayak that and it's probably three or four feet deep in that
area. Um, I can't imagine that they're going to do it with shovels. That uh that would be a task in itself. My comment, don't don't underestimate Marina Fernandez.
She'll get it done. When they when they What I can say to you, what I can say to you is I I h I talked to the expert. He told me he would do with a shovel and a kayak. He's only going to get paid if he does it with a shovel and a kayak. Uh we
put it in the conditions. It's a shovel and kayak operation only. And let's see what he can do, right? It won't cost. But that's what he told me. So, I can only believe what what you know, he's just not going to get paid if if he doesn't do the job. Does that make
sense? Can I ask Can I ask what were the impacts to the golf course that the Beavers caused? I guess that goes to you, Ned. Yeah, pretty uh this spring there was
some pretty um preliminary damage that they that flooding came back up into a couple of fairways. it was overrunning some areas and there was concern that it would continue to back up. Um if it wasn't if it wasn't treated and if it uh isn't treated well then that d that
damage will become potentially an annual problem uh of maintenance for the for this for the club. Was it caused by this dam we're talking about or was yes there's some other dam upstream? No, we believe it's it's this dam and if
there's another combination of beaver dams further upstream that we're not aware of, they may have contributed, but there's no question that the that the beavers have contributed. I think that you heard some testimony earlier uh in the in the matter involving Wallist that
there was beaver dam that there was evidence of damage to trees and other um brush caused by beavers on the uh on the Wallist property. Um yeah, they eat wood and uh
they'll eat whatever they can get their teeth on, I guess. Um, so that's another feature of them. And uh I'm curious that to hear that the dam we're talking about cause the higher
water levels because we heard Marina say that there's a twoft hydraulic height. So I would guess that's the height that had to be carried upstream. And it's interesting to me that I reached all the
way to the golf course, which is a little bit of a distance there. Uh, but it certainly was obvious going up and down Harland Street all year that the waters have been higher on either side,
not not by more than two feet, but you can certainly observe that because of the dam, water levels in that area are just higher than they have been. All right. Any other comments, questions?
Yeah, I just have one one last one drawn. When do they plan on starting this? Marina, can you respond to that? Yes. Um, I mentioned at the presentation it would be two weeks upon receiving they would be able to start as soon as
two weeks upon receiving uh approval of from this commission. Who who will be paying for the work? It will be DPW. Do you know how much? Uh,
I received their quote. I can look it up. Hold on. It's under 10,000. Okay. Look at how gorgeous that is. Exact.
Any other questions, comments, members of the public, commission members? Do you need a motion, Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir. Do you have a motion to uh issue an order conditions for the town of Milton? I do with the provisions as described by M. Fernandez.
in the proposed scope of work as submitted for this evening. Yes. That is your motion. That is correct, sir. Is there a second to Mr. Doyle's motion? Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Bosworth. Uh
any discussion among commission members? Seeing none, hearing none. I'll go just across the screen here. Uh Tom, how do you vote? Yes. I I I missed it, Tom. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. Okay. Um Wendy, how do you vote?
I vote yes. Ingred, yes. Um Arthur Doyle, yes. Charlie Bosworth, yes. And I, John Kieran, vote yes as well. So that's unanimous. Thank you very much, Miss Fernandez, and all participants.
Um, next we go to number two, Granite Avenue Pump Station Resiliency Project. This isformational only. Um, Miss Fernandez, could you help us on this one? Yes. Uh, correct. Let me just share my screen again. Try to open it up.
So, uh, this project is, um, very exciting project. We got a a brick grant which was a great opportunity for our community to really stretch our dollars, right? Um this is a resiliency project.
To those of you that don't know, the Granite A pump station is located uh next to another golf course that which one is that one? President's President's Golf Course.
Yeah, I guess I got a theme going on. One second. Let me see if I can share my screen. What does the pump station pump? Is it water or sewage? Sewage. Sewage. Okay, Tom, I don't know if you were on the
commission at the time, but we had a site visit at the house immediately next to this pump station, and you have to not blink when you go by it. Um, it's u
barely visible from the roadway. Yes. And you're usually going pretty quick by that. Yes. And uh so this project is interesting because it it it is uh it's a crucial pump station within our Milton town of Milton sewer system. Uh it is
within the flood zone. So basically it would create uh we are asking for um the creation of um um of the the generator as well as uh
retention so that the the the station which is all in the ground. So, that's one of the reasons why you wouldn't see it as you're driving by other than you would see a a chain link fence over here. Um,
it it is what you see. And and there's a little generator here. Uh I we've got a dry well and a a wet well. Uh two pits underground. Um it collects sewer from this area. uh discharges into the wet
well and then the and it pumps into the force mane uh back into into our system. Um as you know all of our our sewers uh within the town uh go through the MWR. Um one of the asks is um as you know a
very dangerous road. All of our employees, all of our employees um when they reach it, they um they have there is no driveway. So they
park is very dangerous for them to park. One of the ask also to have uh open open a driveway for uh our maintenance vehicles. They go in on a daily basis um
to access uh that road. Uh these all of these were submitted over to uh the commission. Um again, we we're talking about an above ground uh generator with
a quick connect, a new chain link fence. uh the manholes would uh be raised to a new proposed grade that would be less susceptable to uh flooding at a flooding event. Uh
as we continue to expect uh you know more frequent and um more frequent and higher intensity storms. So that's the sheet number two. Um
sheet number three also showing uh grades and elevations uh the new bypass uh connection and event of uh uh that there is a failure. Um one of the reasons why we actually got this very
enticing grant from the government is hold on a second. Um let me get the one. One of the reasons why we got this enticing grant from the government is because um a cat this traffic event to
the station would uh seriously endanger uh the wetlands in the area. So that's all I have. Right. Marina, can you tell us uh what what we're looking at here in the diagram that you're screen sharing? Is
that a retaining wall or is it rip wrap? or both. Um between the the pump uh area and the adjacent wetlands. Yeah. Um
so hold on, let me see which it's new retaining wall. Okay. Um let me show you also that you can better take a look. The new retaining wall would be over here.
Got it. And it allows this uh new grade to be elevated um so that any inundation wouldn't uh get back into the sewer and the pump station as well as damage the generator.
the the the the existing generator uh would be um uh it would be it would be relocated to a new concrete pad um at a higher elevation than existing. Uh this right
here is the area. Uh one of the things that we talked about is um to make it a gravel not a uh completely uh impermanable area. Um which is not currently. Um so the increased uh
permeable um it would be a new bituminous concrete driveway. Uh that is the area that you're looking over here in in darker shaded gray. Um
we talked about at our site visit just a reminder um one of the discussions was should we have a French drain, right? Uh, and we opted towards not having a French drain because the benefits of collecting and
recharging the groundwater for such a small area would outweigh the risks of an event of any oil spill or even a backup for it to go into the groundwater. Rather, we opted towards
having a a a draining mechanism that would send it back to the pump station for um the vententral um discharge, a proper discharge of of that of that um runoff.
Understood. And for the commission's benefit, uh we did have a sitewalk, I think it was in June. I'm correct. guessing now June but um uh Samson and um what's the engineering company there? They were there and the
MWR folks were there. Um yes, as was Marina and and Philillip and Steve Ivis was there and we all met and looked it very very close to the wetlands.
So that retaining wall and the what you see is looks like rip wrap for the elevation change is pretty important because you we're very close to the wetlands. Um a couple of other things by way of construction. They're going to have to bring in some pretty big equipment. Um and there are overhead
lines that they're going to have to lift or disconnect or something to get the the boom truck because a lot of the stuff is going to be dropped vertically into the ground. I think the the sewer main is what 30 ft down at least uh if
if not more. Um and when we were looking at the surrounding area some of the plans that were presented by um the engineering company indicated and this is coming from combination of DP CM
and there's some study group out of the University of Cornell um that project the flooding over the next 50 years. So, we've got 2030, 2050, and 2070 projections. And some of that flooding goes all the way up to Hope
Avenue, which is just from my eyeball, it's got to be, I don't know, 30 feet above the the elevation here, 20 ft above. It's it's up the hill uh from this location. So, the flooding is they're planning for that because
they've got the projections. So, this construction and I think it's what about a 30 million I I'm sorry, a $3 million project. I think it's three. Um, yeah, we haven't we haven't looked at the we haven't finalized the cost. We're finalizing the construction uh uh design
and and and doing the permitting process, but yeah, it it should be again I I don't know. I don't have the final cost yet. And we'll do a costbenefit analysis as well. uh as part of the the brick grant requirements is that we
looked at the the cost of um doing something in terms of resiliency and not doing something. What would cost the town if we were not going to move forward with this option? Does that make sense? It does. Yeah,
it it does. It does to me. Yeah. And the other thing we we actually brought up at the site visit is that, you know, in terms of planning, if we're planning out uh 20, 30, 50 years, um we should be cognizant of the fact that in that MBTA
communities act, uh one of the designated areas for potential residences was across the street in the area where Heritage Hall is. Uh from Heritage Hall down to the DPW yard, then it becomes state property. But if that
land came up for development, um there are at least capacity-wise a lot of units that could be put in there. And Tom Palmer will be the first one to say, "Hey, that's a flood plane." So development there would be very
difficult. But nevertheless, I I just alerted the engineering company at the sitewalk that if if you're looking for capacity of the pump, you know, keep track of what the town could tie into in the future because if there are more
units going in in that area for future development, then you ought to build the capacity uh whatever this pump capacity plan is currently. Uh, and that's I'm not suggesting that there should be or there will be any units there, but for
planning purposes, uh, let's keep our eyes open. John, does that mean this project is not simply a replacement project, but the existing facility is being beefed up in some way? No, it's not. I was the one that suggested suggested be careful what
you're building because you know if you're going to sink $3 million into this you better you better build it for what you anticipate is needed but no this is just replacement right Marine uh yeah no this this facility is already built uh the pumps are already
there uh nothing is being done to existing facility other than uh make it more less susceptable to adverse effects rel related to uh uh
increased potential flooding events. So basically raising the existing grade for the well uh entrances, raising the concrete pad for the generator, making
it available. So if uh power were to fail at the station, you have a portable generator, a quick connect uh easy way to connect, you have an easy way to connect bypass pumps. So basically they
took our the DPW existing bypass pump specifications and they connected um to the the bypass so we can more easily be able to do a a bypass pump if if that pump station
failed. Again, pump station is already there. It's just making those little tweaks related to making our community more resilient and not having catastrophic failure or sewage being spilled all over Granite A
or onto the uh uh the wetland areas uh during a a a storm event which Thank you. I I believe no one wants to see that. And just two other factors to add, Marina. One thing that you mentioned
before, the safety factor for accessing and working on the pump is very important because it's a treacherous location for anybody that has to be working there. And second, uh some of the future flood plane maps have um
flooding coming up as high as Hope Avenue in that area. So all the more reason to have this work done. It's a very proactive project. Any other comments from commission members? This is justformational which
we appreciate Marina very much. Uh members of the public questions, comments hearing none. I think we thank you. Uh and we'll look forward to a notice of intent sometime in the future. Thank you. We are uh waiting for mass
DOT. Um the the entirety of the station is within a mass DOT right of way which um not neither the town nor mass dot has uh records for um right-of-way easement
agreements. So we're we are rectifying that issue with mass DOT and hopefully as soon as we hear back from them we will be in front of this commission uh with uh the NOI and then at that point I'll bring Weston Samson um to you know
uh do their work and do the do a presentation with more technical information for all of you. Oh that's great. And I'm assuming that your communications with Mass DOT is excellent. Hopefully,
it has been um Yeah, it's we're working on it. It's very it's a it's a very techn it's more legal uh than anything, John. So, probably Okay. You would probably be the best person communicating with them at that point,
not me. We might have to go to the select board for that communication. All right. Well, thank you very much everybody. Have a good night. Thank you very much. Thank you for your hard work, Marina. Thank you. Um All right. So, that's one, two,
three, four, five. Um and now we're up to 405. This is number six on the agenda. Minor modification. Board of Conditions 405 Blue Hill Avenue. And I think we've got some presenters here. I hope. Yep. Um, can you hear me? Uh, hi. I'm
Buchanan. Hi, good evening. Thank you for your patience very much. No problem. I have to say that, you know, been listening to this for hour and a half, hour, 45 minutes. I learned a lot. I mean, I don't know that there was actually a beaver trapping season
and you know, the fact that you have to go you on kayak and and shovel to remove the dam that's that was amazing. So kudos to all the you know the team me the commissioners to you know all this detail work that you have to listen to but that's very very interesting to me because it's definitely not my forte to
you know all these details and plans and and uh and dam and everything. Anyway um so good evening everyone um I am here to represent um the 405 Buhill Avenue. Um I'm one of the owner for the property. So we got an approval for the order
condition back in um the end of May. You guys came for the site visit uh to you know to do some um renovation to the property and now we are asking for a minor modification. So basically we're looking to add a patio a 14x4 patio at
the back of the house. Um um there uh the current plan the approved plan we don't have that on the plan. So we we're looking to add and the patio will be constructed by using a permeable materials make sure that we allowing rain water to pass through and also to
minimize runoff. So we're hoping that you know with a I mean hoping that this is a minimal change to the um existing approved plan that we could go ahead and you know we just want to make sure that this is something that we could do before we start the project. I mean, I
could share the the plan um that we shared that we I have sent over if you want to look at that. That that would be great because uh the copy that we got I really did strain my eyes and I do have a question on the location of the of the patio. But if you
could screen screen share it would be great. Okay. Can you see my screen? Yes. All right. So, this is this is the the the updated plan. Um and this is where we have we added the patio
at the back of the um of the you know original design. I mean um if you look here, let me just show you. So, I don't know if this is helpful, but this is the rain garden. So, I think this is probably better in terms of to look at
um Yeah, that that's that's the one that I was interested in that make it a little bit um you could see this is the house and um this is where the patio um we were not going to do this because this
is originally was a balcony but you know we know the balcony will take more um construction work so we're just going to do with it as um a um basic patio for 14 by 14. Okay, cuz that that was my question. I remember when we were out there, I knew
that the corner of the house, which pre-existed this, which is very important, uh does cut into our 25 foot non-disturbance zone, but but the patio, does it does it have to cut into our 25 foot? It's a very
small piece of it. Yes, I think it'll be a very small piece that will cut um through the 25. This is this is the 25 ft um buffer zone. Does something exist there now? No. Well, this is the uh this is the
existing foundation which we have built on top but um no nothing is there now. All right. because we do we try to be consistent. And we had somebody at I I know I'm going to mess up the
number. I think it's 114 Woodland Avenue. Um it was uh John Tumi and I can't recall his wife's name, but they did a patio very similar at the back of their house. And we asked them
to just move it a little bit to keep it out of our 25 ft because we try to honor that 25 ft non-disturbance zone. And I think what they did is they they actually changed the shape of it to to uh actually cut it out. That would help us a lot.
Okay. Um I think I mean as long as I think we could move because I believe Let me just look back here. So we have the sliding door here. If we move the patio right really next to the sliding door, we might be able to really um you know not
taking the oops sorry the side of where we have the the 25 ft buffer. Yeah, it doesn't look like it would affect the door. Yeah. Um assuming that the door is somewhere around that 19.2. Um
I believe the door will be because now we have this whole area here. The door will be somewhere here. Oh, that that's easy then because all all we need to be consistent with our 25 foot non-disturbance zone is the patio might not be rectangular but if you could just
keep it out of our 25 foot I think that would make all of us happy. Okay, I think we could do that. I mean I have my my business partner on the call as well. If you want to add anything I think we should we could we should be able to do that. I mean, we we haven't started the work yet. Um, you know,
before we get an approval, but we could definitely probably change the design to make sure that we don't, you know, go over that 25 ft buffer zone. Yeah. even if if you're concerned. Hi, this is Von speaking. Yeah, we could try
to change it. Um maybe make it a little bit smaller or change the shape of it like you suggest to keep out of that 25 foot buffer zone. That would be great because we we do try to be consistent and uniform in our
application of that of the bylaw. So, it would help us to help you Any other commissions, you know, want to weigh in on that suggestion? Doesn't sound it. Anybody? I can't tell if I'm frozen.
I did not hear your last comment. Sorry. Yeah, I don't I don't know if I'm frozen or others are frozen. Are there any other commissioners that um feel that way about the 25 foot non-disturbance zone? Yes, John, I agree with you. It makes sense.
Okay. To move it out if possible. Yeah, it looks like an easy fix. And if you needed the space, you can add it either by moving it, you know, laterally or you could even, you know, add it on top. Uh it just changed the
shape so we stay out of that. Okay. 25 foot line. And John, we've had this with a couple of additional locations uh beyond the one that you cited as well. I know. I know.
That's why I mentioned it's the consistency and uniformity that I think is important for us and we apply the same rules and regs everywhere. Agreed. And I said and as I said, I think it's an easy fix for everybody.
Are there any other questions commissioners that uh have questions on this? One of them is to the extent that this is a a revision uh to a modification to an existing order of conditions, it does require two
votes. Um and and uh Trevan and um now I've lost Eland. the the Okay, there you are. There you are. Okay. No, I didn't lose your name. I lost I lost your face. There you are.
Um uh it does require two votes. The first one would be whether or not it's a a minor revision or a major revision. If it's minor, then we can have a second vote and then and vote to amend the order of conditions. If it's a major
change, you'd have to file another order of conditions. Um, that's just the way the system is set up. I'm not s I'm not suggesting that it's a major change. Uh, so don't don't worry. Um, but we do have to take two different votes. So, I I'd
ask for any comments, questions from other commissioners. Um, John, I'd just like to suggest that we can approve it as a minor change if we condition it that the patio shall
stay out of the 25 ft zone. And is that your motion? Yes. All right. Is there a second to the motion which is uh that it would be a minor revision as long as as the drawing is adjusted to keep it out of the 25
foot non-disturbance zone. That's the motion. Is there a second? Second. All right. Thanks, Charlie. And remember, this is only to to determine whether or not this is a minor revision or a major one. But with that motion, uh is there any discussion?
And I don't hear any. I don't see any. So, I'll I'll do what I can see. Charlie, how do you vote? Yes. Tom Palmer, how do you vote? Yes. Ingred, how do you vote? Yes. Wendy, how do you vote? Yes. Uh Arthur, how do you vote? Yes.
And I, John Kieran, vote yes as well. So, that's the first motion, and that is that it's a minor revision. So, is there a second motion to approve this minor revision uh to the existing order of conditions? So, move, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr.
Doyle. Is there a second to Arthur's Arthur's motion? I second it, John. Wendy, thank you very much. Any discussion? Uh, hearing none, we'll go through the voice vote. Tom Palmer, how do you vote? Yes. Wendy, how do you vote? Yes.
Ingred, how do you vote? Yes. Arthur, how do you vote? Yes. Charlie, how do you vote? Yes. And I, John, K vote yes as well. So, you've got your minor revision. It's now the order conditions. The only thing we need from you uh is to have this plan
adjusted so that the patio is outside of the 25 foot non-disturbance zone. Is that something you can do for us? Yes. No, absolutely. Perfect. I I think we're good to go. Thank you very much everyone. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Good night.
Thank you. Ewin, before you leave, can you take that down the screen sharing? I think you are controlling it. Perfect. Good. Thank you very much. All right. That takes us to
um number seven on the list is amended order of conditions 37 Robin Street. And I know that uh Mr. Hanigan, you've been waiting very patiently listening to every word that has been spoken getting an education.
You know, we get the education from you, sir. So, tell us what you would like to see. uh here tonight for 37 Robin Street uh with two plans. One is a modification plan update of a modification plan. It
was discussed in the in the June um meeting uh at the present at the at that time I didn't have uh time to uh add the um existing plant schedule and that's that's on there showing the uh the 24
plant locations. And then the second one was um you John you had requested that we uh show the recharge area and the um the on the plan on the plane. Yeah. So that's that is
done and I I believe looking at the minutes that that was uh approved subject to receive the commission receiving the plan. So, um, if that's the case, all right, the the the only other thing
and and you've said here in your letter of dated 10625, uh, that this would be a partial certificate of compliance because we haven't had the plants last for two growing seasons. Do you agree with that? Well,
I don't know the mechanics of it, but uh yes, if that's the case, I thought that what you did is you did a certificate of compliance subject to the extension for period of time, two years, uh to see the
survival of the planting. So, it's up to the commission, whatever you'd like. Right. I mean, that's that's that's what we can do. And I I'm just looking at your letter here and I I don't see your attestation, but my memory is that your letter in June did say that. Am I
correct on that? Yes. Yes. Okay. I I don't have the full file in front of me. I don't have Bob's ladder, but I my memory is that he said that there's substantial compliance because that's what we require for a certificate of um
compliance. Do do you have it there, Philip? I I don't I can um send it. Okay. No, that that's my memory and Bob it's I I think you can attest that it's in your June letter to us. Correct. I don't have that in front of me but um
I can check and I I believe that was the case. Yeah. Well, if if there's any doubt you agree that you will file such a a letter. I I will indeed. I will indeed. I'll send that over to Philip. All right. Good. Any questions? Then I'll send it to the commissioners.
Very good. All right. Thanks. I'm looking at this plan, John, and I have a couple of questions. Sure. I guess it's the asbuilt plan, and on the right side, there's a plant schedule with 24 plants. And on the plan itself,
there are some numbers going up to 24, but there are many fewer numbers on the plan than there are on the schedule. I wonder if Bob could Sure. Yep. Yep. Um, just to simplify things, on the lefth hand side, you can see On the lower left hand corner
there's number one and then on the upper upper leftand corner it's number 13. Right? Then you go go across the back it's 14 to 21. And there's 22 23 and 24 in the in the front of the property. So
well it now it makes sense. I couldn't figure it out. I tell you I mean now it's obvious. Okay. I get it. My other question was um when we were talking about the storm water way back when the
project was being built, I think it was specified that there would be a proprietary cult chamber buried in the lower right corner of the lot in the plan. Is that correct?
That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. I searched high up and low down now for the um actual details of that. Uh I couldn't find anything um aside from the proposed um but that said it's um
the area is in general as shown and it's beyond the uh 200 foot riverfront line. So yeah. So the reason you didn't draw in a little circle and say this is
the cult chamber is what because well in my mind number one it's beyond the uh uh 200 foot uh riverfront zone and but it is an asill plan and that was part of the right right plan right right and that's the general area and
that's what I located and that's I attest that that's there in place. The circle there in the circle there in the driveway is um a recharge area for uh their basement pumps and then separately
there's the area for the recharge of the roof runoff. Okay. I'm I'm not going to ask you to revise a plan, but I think you would appreciate why I like a plan to show
everything that was built. Does that require an answer? Well, that's up to you, but you know, I I understand. But it's it's in it's that's the area and Yeah. And Yeah. and and it's outside of the 200 foot zone. So,
well, yeah, I that doesn't matter to me, I guess. I'm just looking at what I'm looking at. And the plan shows that corner and I remember there was a cult there. So, it was Yes. Yeah. Overall, you know, your plans are really kind of a pleasure to look at
because they're always, I don't know, well organized and easy to read. Um but uh I would have said I would have written in there this is where they put the culture. So that's my comment
and and Bob on the jurisdictional side I mean we were all present when we saw the foundation filled with water and we had a discussion about where you going to put that water right so that was that was a jurisdictional
concern that we had because the foundation was looked like a swimming pool and your idea was to put it in the cult chamber and that's the chamber just happened to end up outside the 200 foot. No, the the cult is for the roof runoff and and the the circle there that's
shown is is for the uh pump uh right and it's outside the 200 ft but it's a jurisdictional concern that we had and the remedy for that was to put it outside of the 200 feet which we don't lose jurisdiction because because
of that. Well, I I I I don't think that quite frankly that uh as I recall it was to put it outside the 200 foot um zone. I I think that that's the was the best area to recharge. I agree. Based on the material 100%.
Right. Right. Okay. So, so I I don't think we lost our jurisdiction uh along the way here, but I and I think Tom's points are correct, but but the fact that you put the circle on there and we knew and know that that's where the the pump chamber went
to. You were pumping the, you know, the the foundation drain out there. So, I I'm I'm comfortable that that's sufficient that you've indicated the location of it. Um, Tom, are you okay with the plan as as
written? Uh, yeah, I am. Okay. Any other uh comments, questions, suggestions? We've certainly been here a number of times. Charlie, I I can't tell if you wanted to talk or not.
No, all set. Okay. I reviewed the plan. They they they look adequate. All right. So, so the certificate of compliance would be conditional upon 75% survival rate of the uh of the trees planted and that gives out two growing
seasons. So, it is conditional upon that. But with that condition, understood. Is there a motion to issue the certificate of compliance conditioned upon the survival of the trees? So, move. Thanks, Tom. Is there a second for that?
Second. Thanks, Charlie. Any discussion among commission members? Hearing none. Tom, how do you vote? Yes. Wendy, yes. Ingred, yes. Arthur, yes. Charlie,
yes. And I, John, can vote yes as well. All right, we're good, right? Yes. Bob, very good. Always a pleasure. Yep. Thanks, John. Thanks, Commissioner. Thank you very much.
Thanks. Um All right. Next on the agenda is um amended or 37 is approved meeting minutes from July 8th 25
uh August 125 and September 9th 25. And I know there are some uh requested amendments and I want to make sure that everybody's I I don't I'm not sure that that which we received in our packet has all the
amendments. I think that uh Tom had made some suggested edits and I think Wendy had made some suggested edits and I think uh other than that are we ready to not other than that but uh is that is that what we're approving as
as edited and I don't know maybe that question goes to Philip because I there was some communications going by email between and among commission members back to Steve Ivis and I think Steve actually did some of those edits. I just want
everybody to be comfortable that that which we are voting on are the edited versions of those motions. So I I go first to Tom and then to Wendy. But Tom, are you comfortable that that which we are voting on contains the
edits that you had suggested to Steve? Uh, they were typos, but yeah, they needed to be changed. Phil told me he changed the one I brought up. Okay, got it. Wendy, you had some edits and and I want to make sure you're comfortable with that which we are
voting on contains your proposed edits. um the edits that I had suggested for September 9th um were were um not completely
included. There is still seems to be some confusion. Um, and I actually just to try to expedite things, I I um copied and pasted the the text of the
section in question and emailed it to to everyone including some um including the revisions. Oh, just now, right? Right. Yes.
Uh, you mean it's on on our email? Just don't tell me it's on our email screen because I'll never be able to see it without losing all of you guys. Um,
um, it it it is it is by email. Um, uh, I could Well, you know what? You know what's easy? We've got a we've got a a meeting on Saturday. So, I mean, I'd like to read it before I vote for it.
Sure. Of course. I I think the um there there's two two parts that that I think are really important to be reflected in the minutes. One that I voted no on our on
the second proposal. Um, and that I That's an easy fix. That is an easy fix. I I thought that was in the original one as well, but it's an easy fix.
Um, and also at the meeting last month, I had uh when we voted on that, I had requested that the minutes reflect why I voted no. So, I added correct. You did.
recall that. So, I tried to to minimize the the edits to the text, but I think that that um that it is reflected now what I'm proposing. Um
maybe I'm missing something. I I know that you sent around a copy of what's on our website. Is that what you wanted to be appended to the minutes? that that is something that I suggested be appended to the minutes and that has
been done but that is different than the two other things that I just mentioned. Um, all right. Well, I acknowledge that you said at the meeting that you
wanted the minutes to reflect that a you voted against uh the the fine and b why you voted against that. I I agree with that. You did say that. But what why would you
appoint why would you append the tree dear tree program applicant which is on our website as part of the minutes? I I didn't I I suggested that it be attached to the minutes um not that it
be edited but because I had read it verbatim into um at the meeting. Okay. So I suggested that um that the that the invitation be
included in the minutes since I had read it verbatim. All right. It's not usually the purpose of minutes, but um it's all everything's recorded, so it's there for eternity, I guess. Um so I I I don't have an
objection to that. It's just that now I'm not sure what you sent around um that I haven't seen it. Would you mind waiting until Saturday so I can at least Well, I'm I'm not going to be at the meeting on Saturday. Um but I can
um How about I I Hang Hang on a second. I can find it on my phone. I think I can get it on my phone. You you could you could also um open up two windows on your screen.
Now you're challenging me. Hang on. Let me see if I can get it on my phone. I don't want to lose you. I've lost you twice tonight already. Um if you open a second window, John, and and switch to the second window, you
won't lose us. You won't see us, but you won't lose us. In fact, if you if you're speaking, we should still be able to hear you. I'm looking at your email, Wendy, and uh
some of the text is highlighted in green and some of the has striketh through. Correct. Yeah. So, what is everything that I did is in green. And if it's got a striketh through, then I'm suggesting that that is deleted
just for clarity. And the stuff that's green with no strike through means those are edits, correct? Those are additions. All right, I understand.
All right. Well, I've I I don't see it on my phone. I can't tell you why, but my phone is only showing me. And I I tried the second screen on my computer and that one didn't work. So, I I confess to being
um living in the last century perhaps. I should be able to split screen. Wait a minute. I got it. 910 9:10 p.m. 99. Yes. 910. The second vote is a pre replay. Okay.
So, I've got it in front of me. I voted no. and request administr. That's true. Could you please replace section six with the following? Replace six. So you you rewrote the whole thing. I just copied and pasted it so so that
it would be obvious where my additions were. So my additions are in green. The main thing is really the last line. It's the main addition. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that that's fine. And and you want to
And now you want to attach the website on the tree replacement to the minutes and incorporate that into the minutes. Yes. Which has already been done, at least the copy that was in our packet.
Okay. All right. Again, uh this is I'm a cons in consensus kind of person. This really isn't the purpose of minutes under the open meeting law. But, uh if this is what you desire and there's no objection from others, then I I can go
along with with the edits as as done. I I I mean your position is clear and if you're trying to make a public or reiterate your public argument that's fine. Um
I just I think it's important to have documentation of this so so that if if in the future we decide to to change what the the tree replacement cost is, we we understand
the history of how we came to that to that decision and what precedence was set for how we came up with that cost. You know, in the same way that I asked you at our previous meetings, well, how
did we come to the $500 replacement price that we've had in place? And you had said that it was based on the the retail cost of a tree. Wendy, you are correct. I did say that.
Yeah. So I just I think it's important that that is documented because rather than than you know us having to rely on our memories. That's all. Okay. Good. All right. So as amended um let's let's move this forward. Um and if
it is your desire to append the website um to the minutes then so be it. Um, so let's do it by by date. Uh, just a second. I want to make sure we vote in the order
that it's listed here. Um, so, uh, is there a motion to approve the meeting minutes from July 8, 25, August 12th, 25, and September 9th, 25 as amended? And the amendment will be what
what uh we just received at 9:10 p.m. tonight. At least I saw it at 9:10 p.m. tonight. Uh from Wendy, that's the amended and that's the version that we're voting on. So what's that? We have we have to do them separately.
Um because I was present uh for the July uh 8th and the corresponding sitewalk, but I wasn't present for the August and September. So we have to do the vote separately. All right, you are correct. Um, I stand corrected. So, is there a
motion to approve the July 8, 2025 minutes as edited? So, move. I'll second. Got it. Uh, we'll do a voice vote to go across. Tom, how do you vote? Yes. Arthur, yes.
Ingred, yes. Wendy, yes. Yes. And I, John, can vote yes as well. Second motion. Is there a motion to approve the August 12th, 2025 minutes uh as edited?
So move. Thanks. Second. Second. Thanks, John. Any discussion? Hearing none. Uh, how do you vote? Tom, yes. Arthur, yes. Ingred, I abstain.
Ren, yes. Thank you. Uh, Wendy, yes. and Charlie yes and I John Kieran vote yes as well. Last motion September 9th 2025 is there a motion to um adopt the minutes as revised?
So move. Thanks. Second Wendy I can't believe you're not going to second this one. I'm happy to second it. Yeah. All right. Any discussion?
Um, hearing none. Tom, how do you vote? Yes. Arthur, how do you vote? Ingred, abstain. Okay. Uh, Wendy, yes. Uh, Charlie, I have to abstain. I wasn't there.
Okay. And I I joined Ken and vote yes as well. Thank you very much. So, we got through that one. Um, and next new business. Um, Steve, any new business?
Um, just uh someformational. Um, I had a call from and u a woman named Pat Donahue who lives uh opposite
Alfred Road regarding some um heavy equipment work in her backyard to the east of her home. Um, and I went over there on Friday and spoke to
uh, one moment. Um, the person who was doing the work or who had done the work evidently. Um, and the person was named uh, Devin
Leeho. L E H O U X. Um, that's the property that goes from the top of the hill, almost the top of the hill, all the way down to Alfred Road, parallel to Robin Street.
Okay, you you probably know this grouping. Uh, they built a new I believe what they call some sort of a selling area along Robin Street. That's very a what area? Um a something to do with a shed to the
sell sell products. I've never I've never I've never heard of anything being sold there. We're all familiar. We've been on the property a ton of times. It's right in back at Deli Academy. They they did a permit request for a
garden. Well, they wanted to build a garden there. They did build a garden, but it lost their shade. So they're planning their next plan is to maybe try to do some greens. Tomatoes didn't work. So this is
they of uh Japanese notwheat, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. I I remember that was that was the problem. And they've taken quite a bit of it out, but there's quite a bit still there. In any case, um I went through a long
description of basically uh I would call it rules enforcement for them and process because they still had the equipment on the site. They were also trying to level a shed that was tilted. So they had done that by the time I got
there. In any case, I just want to alert you to um they may be coming to us um for some more work on that property. And I told them that if they touch the ground on
the property, they need to file a permit application. That's all. Just letting you know. Okay. Why is the jurisdiction? Uh the jurisdiction is there's an intermittent stream that runs down the
hill, enters a culvert and then goes to Trout Brook. Yeah. Which is perpendicular to the stream that comes down the hill. And evidently there's going there's going to be some uh building up
at the top of the hill at the academy in the near future. That's what I was told. Well, you you you know, we've spent a lot of time there, Steve. That's the 40B project. Oh, yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's it. That that backs onto their
property and the dividing line between the property is that intermittent stream. That's correct. That's correct. Just wanted to let you know that, you know, they're thinking about doing other things on the property, including taking down some
taking down some trees and some other things. Yes. Taking down trees. Well, is there an enforcement order or is are they not doing anything now? They're not doing anything now. And in fact, what I saw on the site was they
didn't take anything down. They were moving um I would call it organic debris around. That's what I would call it. Organic garden debris and sticks and sticks. Sticks and stuff. Nothing.
Nothing. nothing world worthwhile to do an enforcement audit. Okay. For in my opinion, do you have a street address? Um the street address I believe is 152
Robins. Robins. Okay. It's a long lot that's parallel to Robins. one one series of lots in to the
Yes. It's a big L-shaped lot. That's correct. That's correct. The southern part is a long arm of the L and it has the intermittent stream run down. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yep. And they do
have uh a shed there that they're going to be using to sell products of some sort, food products, I think. Okay, just just to let you know what their plans are. This was before another board, I
believe, this retail produce operation, like the planning board, maybe. Okay. Yeah, I think it was like a year or two ago. Yeah, they said they have the permits. Evidently, they have another operation
in Plymouth. Yes. Uh which is a pizza joint and a bakery. Oh, really? Yeah. It's a quite large restaurant, actually. Oh, no kidding. Okay. Yeah. Have you stopped there?
Yeah, it's I used to live in Plymouth. It was one of my favorite places. Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah, it's very cool. All right. Okay. Anything else? New business? Not from me. All right. I' I've got one piece of uh
new business. I have some new business, too. I'll go after Oh, go ahead, Philip. Um I have a call I got a call from a lady on Amal Road. She lived at um 85 and she said people next door at 71
took down trees in the wetlands area. What What's the street name again? Philip, I'm sorry. A M O R. Oh, yeah. Sure. Okay. That that's where the is right at the corner, right? She says they took down the trees
at 71 Amore and they were in wetlands. There are well engine back there according to the state maps. What what's what's the number of the 40B project? Do you remember? I I don't I should remember and I don't it's a right of the corner of Brush Road
and Amar. What is it? Yeah. Um that was number 16 amar. So that was at the other end. That sounds right. So 71 is across the street and and on the Blue Avenue side. Okay.
Right. That's right. And there's a big triangular wetland about the size of a house lot that's in the borderland between 85 and 95 Aar reaching over to the next street. I guess that might be Valentine.
100 Valentine 88 Valentine. So, there's a wooded area behind all the houses that the state maps as a wooded swamp and it impinges on number 85 and takes about a fourth of
the lot. And the person complaining at number 71 also has woods in back, but only the southernmost corner is mapped as wetlands by the D. So, all I gather from this state mapping is yes, there
are wetlands back there. And yes, if there's cutting back there, it's probably in jurisdiction. All right. Can you check that out, Steve? And and yes, I'd be happy to see if you can stop the cutting in our jurisdiction if if it's done and inform
us if um they've actually taken some trees up. Sure. Okay. Thanks. She also has a tree at 71. She'd like, excuse me, she'd like to have removed, but it's in the wetlands. She says it's dead,
but I told her not to touch it up. You know, they'd be able tell you. All right. So, you can check that out at the same time, Steve. That's a question. Can you check that out at the same time? I have contact information, Steve, if you want. Thank you. Uh, good news. All right. Thanks.
And then I have a third one. Sorry. 98 984 Brook Road. They say there's a dangerous tree in the um in the conservation land there that they say needs to come down. 984. Is that the Font Bond Center?
It is. First house. Yes, that is our land. Okay. Um do do you know if it's accessible from the street? Do you know anything about where the tree is? I don't I have an email, but I can't
find it. And I can send it um I have her an email and I have a file on the whole thing, but I don't know. I don't have it in front of me. I can send it tomorrow. Sorry. All right. If you could send it to Steve, if you could check that out because we do. In fact, our sign is
right there. That's one of our conservation commission land signs, right? And if the street if the tree is dead and it's endangering their house, then I I know what they're talking about. Um, and that's the situation we
had at the intersection of Guile Road and Canton Avenue because that's our land as well. And we had that first house uh give us a complaint and unfortunately we don't have the resources to take a tree down. Um,
right. But DP and I and I we can't offer the services of DPW other than to request a favor. Um but that's what we did for Guile Road and DPW did actually remove the tree. So if you could just check it out, Steve, we might be in the
same position of asking for the town's assistance. Um because we we don't want something on our land endangering somebody's home. and and actually John about four years ago I think DPW did cut down a leaning tree on the
property in question. Same one. Yes. Oh, that's right. That Jerry Jerry Burke uh weighed in on on that one. Uh I don't know if you remember that, but yes, I I do recall that. That's
good. Yeah, DPW has been good to us. Yes. Uh over the years. Then the 66 fern cross are going to take down soon. That's the one we discussed I think at the last meeting. Correct. And is DPW going to take them down? They are. Good. Terrific. They just need the permission like they
know about 984 Brook Road. They just want to make sure it's okay with the conservation commission to come down. Oh yeah. If if it's, you know, it it it qualifies as maintenance. If it's a dead, you know, diseased tree that creates a public danger. Uh that's
maintenance. So they don't even need a RDA for that. Well, we don't we don't need an RDA for that. It's our land, right? That's good. Just just as long as you confirm that it's it's, you know, dead indeed. Right.
All right. That's good. Information as well. All right. Great. Thank you very much. No problem. All right. I I just have one item of new business and that is uh we have a town meeting uh coming up on
uh the 29th of October and there are I don't know eight articles something like that but one of the articles is um by the school building committee uh and they're asking for an extension on the reverta clause on the school swap that
is the land swap to build the new school on Kyle Road. So, the article I I think it may need to be tweaked a little bit because I I actually don't like the way it's worded, but you may recall that
2023 there was a vote by town meeting to approve the land swap by which the conservation commission received 75 plus acres in exchange for our uh giving to conveying to the school department 2.8
eight acres on Guy Road and I know it was it was you know somewhat controversial not a town meeting necessarily but I know that a lot of people feel very strongly about it um but nevertheless it went through in that article uh that was passed in 2023 there
was a reverta clause that the uh the school funding had to be uh achieved by I forget the date I think it's April of 2028 now at the time the school building committee and the school committee and
essentially the town had gone to the school building assistance administration and asked for funding support which was denied at the time. So it was going to be bonded by the town uh simply by an override at the time. So
they thought they could get it through by 2028. Now, in the last two years, uh, the school building assistance administration has changed its position and has agreed to provide some funding for the town. What the percentage is, I can't tell you, but it takes a lot of
financial pressure off of the town, but it looks like the the leadup to getting school building assistance administration approval is going to go beyond 2028. So the school building committee and the
school committee uh with the support of the select board is coming in with an article asking to extend the reverta clause until I think it's 2031. Um it's 33 John 33 article six.
Okay. So it's 33. Um and that will allow the town to get state funding through the department of education. um as opposed to putting some is going to come back on us anyway, but uh on a o override, but it's going to take a lot
of pressure um I don't know what the number of millions of dollars will be, but it's going to take a lot of pressure off the town. So, um the school department, the school committee, the school building committee like board are coming and asking for support for this.
Now what's going to happen at town meeting is that we are going to be asked do we support this article to extend the reverter clause to 2033. Now what's important here is you
understand what the revert clause actually says because as originally drafted the article in 2023 had the swap just reverse itself. So, we would lose the 75 acres that we got. Uh,
a lot of which is open space anyway and protected under our jurisdiction anyway. I I get that. But the number of acres that came to the conservation commission is 75 plus. The number of acres that we uh conveyed to the school department is
2.8 acres. So, I thought pretty hard that if there's going to be a revert clause, we're not giving back open space um uh lots of reasons. Uh one, it would it would trigger um it would trigger
article 97 issues for us that if if we're giving it to the t back to the town for other purposes, then we'd have to replace that 75 acres. can't do it because we don't have 75 acres to replace the 75 acres we'd be giving back. So that was the argument I made
back in 2023 or 22 leading up to the town meeting in 23. So the reverta clause was revised and limited to the 2.8 acres that would go back to
the conservation commission. We would not be asked the revert clause does not require that we give up anything. In fact, the only thing would we get that 2.8 acres back and the school department would lose that. So, it's like a it's more like a clawback to the conservation
commission. Um so in in my view um and I I'll cite to our bylaws uh section nine if you read it it does talk about considering other public good and the balance of the public interest uh
between and among the different town departments. It's it's worth taking a look at that that uh section nine of our bylaws. Um but my recommendation is that we pass a resolution to support this article that would extend the
reverta clause which will only affect the guile road land that 2.8 8 acres for us. Um, and would not impact the 75 acres that we received. And that that that's the land up on Blue Hill, I'm sorry, on Randolph Avenue. It's the land
on School Street. It's the land on Heric Drive. Um, and it's the land around surrounding Pope's Pond. So, if you include all of that together, it's about 75 acres. Uh it's not that but it would
extend the period of time that we go to uh that we we support the school department, the select board and the school building committee to buy more time so that we can get financial assistance from the state. So that's my
position. We can't vote on that because it's not on the agenda tonight, but I'd like to put it on the agenda uh for our next public meeting, which happens to be Saturday, but I know we've we've only got four people showing up. So I if
people are uncomfortable with putting it on the agenda for that then I suggest that we put it on for some date uh you know during the week like it you know whatever next Tuesday or any any date as long as we have enough time to announce it so that we
have all commission members available to vote on this issue. And the issue is um do we favor a resolution to support the extension of uh that revert clause until 2033.
It's that simple. I'm not asking you to weigh in on this. Just to think about it. Um and if we can do it, if we can put it on the agenda uh for Saturday, great. But if if we're missing three people, I I would actually prefer to put it on a date when everybody can be
present uh to weigh in on this. And it would just be it would be 7:30 on some week night. It's done by Zoom. It's not an inconvenience. I think we could do it in 15 minutes. Uh I know some people may want to be heard on the issue, but it it's not
going to be lengthy. It's because we've we went through this in in 22 when it was an article and then it was it was taken off of the town meeting and then it was put back on in 2023. So I you know most of the positions have
been articulately stated and some quite eloquently um but I don't think it'll take a lot of time. So first question is is is there a consensus that we should set up a a separate public meeting for
this not this Saturday? We can do it on a Saturday but only four people will be in attendance. So um my suggestion would be we put it on for a weekday at everyone's convenience. Any any thoughts on on on that? because
we will be asked um and and I'm I'm I'm sure the proponents of are going to say what's the position of the conservation commission because it's you know your land that you gave to the school department in exchange for the 75 acres. Um and by extending this you're
decreasing the chance that you're going to get that 2.8 acres back while increasing the likelihood of state support for the for the new school. Um, so my proposal is we put it on and I'll
I'll just make up a date next Tuesday night at 7:30 by Zoom. And that would be the one item on the on the agenda. Is that acceptable to everybody? Can everybody make it next Tuesday night?
That's October 21, John. Right. Yes. Okay. I can. You can. You cannot. When could you do it the next night, Wendy? Wednesday the 22nd.
No, but Thursday I can. Thursday the what is it? 23rd. Is that right? That is correct. Thursday the 23rd. Okay. If that was our target, can you make that one Arthur? Yes,
Ingred. At what time? 7:30. Oh, 7:30. Uh, I think I can say that for consistency. If you want to make it 7 o'clock, I don't care. But yeah, I think that'll work.
Charlie, yes. Tom, yeah, I'm that date's okay, I believe. Steve, uh, yes. Phillip. Yes. Did I ask everybody? I I'm just kind of circling around here.
Hans, what's that? We'll have to check with Hans, too. Right. I will. All right. So, we'll put it on. And the agenda item is
a vote on a resolution on whether to support article six for the Milton Town meeting to be held October. Is it the 29th? 27th. The 27th. The 27th.
27th. Okay. All right. So, the agenda the agenda has to be very clear on that that that's the purpose of the of the meeting if Okay. Can we do that again? Vote on a resolution on whether to support article six
at Milton Town meeting scheduled for October 27th to begin October 27th. There aren't many articles, so we hopefully we'll finish in one one night, but we might not. So to begin scheduled
to begin on October 27th vote on a resolution on whether to support April 6 of the Milton town meeting to begin on October 27th. Uh yes, that's correct. Monday the I think it's the 27th. Yes.
All right. Okay. Is that agreeable to everybody? Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you. All right. Thanks. Okay. because the question's going to come up and if I I know they're going to ask me and I I can speak for myself but I can't speak for the committee for the
commission. So we need to have it you know resolved. All right. I don't have any other additional business. So unless anybody else does think we're good to adjurnn. Thank you. Motion to adjurnn.
Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. All in favor? I. All right. Good. See you Saturday. Thanks guys. Take care. Good night. Good night. Thank you everyone. Part: 2
All right, let's get started. Okay, I'm going to call the meeting to order. It is 7:01 p.m. on October 14th. And before I move to approval of the meeting minutes, I'm going to just introduce uh myself and everyone as I go
go around. I think there's someone else that's trying to get in. Do you see it, Emily? Yeah, I just let her in. Okay. So, my name is Caroline Confella. I'm the health director
in Milton. Emily, my name's Emily Connors. I'm the assistant health director. Jean. Hi, I'm Jean. I'm the clerk for the board of health. Roxanne. Hi, I'm Roxanne Mau. I'm the chair of the board of health.
Laura. Laura Richards, secretary of the board of health. Mary, you're on mute. Mary Mary Stenson, member of board of health. Mr. Blake
Jeffrey Blake, Town Council. Thank you for coming, Mr. Blake. It's my pleasure. I see. Thank you. I see also that Mr. Richard Joyce is here and he's res representing 5-9 Thatcher. Thank you.
Okay. So, moving along um to number two is approval of the September 8th, 2025 meeting minutes or have you had a chance to look at the meeting minutes? Yes. Yes. Is there any corrections that you'd like
to let me know about? None that I see. Same. Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes of September 8th. The second. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I I Okay, thank you. board.
Number three is citizen speak. Do we have anyone here tonight that would like to speak at citizen speak? Um there's a few people that are on. Um we may limit it to just a few minutes, three or four minutes if anyone would
like to speak at citizen speak. you can just raise your hand. Yeah, I see uh Miss Margie Skier. Um if you'd like to say something, Margie. Yes, I would. Hi everyone. Um it's um
really appreciate being able to speak this evening. My name is Margie Skeer and I am um speaking on behalf of myself as a resident of Milton. I am in district 7 and I am speaking on behalf
of the alcohol bylaw this evening. Um I there are other uh concerned public health citizens on the call this evening as well and many of us have been talking about the importance of the bylaws to have strict um parameters around what
will be allowed when alcohol is allowed to be consumed and purchased on uh town property. Uh with the bylaws as they are currently written, we have significant concerns that there are not enough um
safeguards in place around being able for youth to be able to purchase uh and consume. We there were recommendations around um risk wristbands and to have separate areas around for consumption
and it does not seem that those bylaws uh that these parameters are being included in the bylaws and we believe that this has really important implications for the health and safety of youth as well as the health of um adults in town.
And I wanted to see Deborah and Susan if you had anything else that you wanted to add. Can you raise your hand? Deborah, Susan, would you like to speak at citizen speak? Okay. Well, can I may I continue then if
they don't think? So, I am I am also speaking on behalf of myself as a public health professional and expert. I am a professor of public health and community medicine at the Tus University School of Medicine. I'm also the department chair
and I have been um in the field of adolescent substance use prevention for um over 20 years. I'm also a member of the uh Milton Coalition and I just want to be really clear about the lack of
safeguards um are really going to create issues around youth in our town for a lot of different reasons, but primarily when we don't have specific demarcation around alcohol, we absolutely increase the risk that young people are going to
be using. And second, the more that we sort of allow intermingling and mixing of youth and adults in public land and open spaces, um we have we're we're really risking the increased norms around drinking. The coalition and the
town has just made incredible strides over the last decade around reducing youth drinking in town and we want to make sure that this is uh continues to be the case. And so I would really implore the board of health to be
thinking about how it can support having safeguards in place around the alcohol bylaws. Thank you. Thank you, Margie. Uh is there anyone else that would like to speak at citizen
speak? Have about three minutes if you'd like to say something. I see someone else who has come in. I don't know. um who Lori is or if she'd like to speak or Jill Clark would anyone else like to speak raise
your hand. So seeing no one else raise their hand then we will move on. Thank you. Thank you, Margie. Okay. So, um I'm closing the citizen
speak portion and we're going to move on to 5-9 Thatcher Street discussion of violations, correction order and potential vote to condemn this property. 105 CMR410 minimum standards of fitness for human
habitation 410 650F conomination. order to vacate, order to secure. And I'll give a little bit of history about this property, 5-9 Thatcher Street. Uh this property first came to the health department's
attention uh December 7th, 2020. Um at that time, um we had a complaint from a neighbor and um my staff went out at that time and there was multiple structural elements that were not weathertight.
Um there was rubbish at the site, tires, refuge. Um the property was not maintained. And so at that time we sent out a correction order and actually um Newman and Newman did come to our board meeting and all
the um rubbish was picked up, the tires, those trees that were down, everything um was secured and fenced in at that time. And then um five years later, February 20th, 2025, we had a neighbor calling again about gaps in the fence at
at the site. Uh it was unsecure and safe. There was refuge uh in the yard again. Uh it was secured again at that time and cleaned up. And then in June, June 10th, neighbors
are complaining again about overgrown bushes um which could be providing havens for pests. There was a complaint from a neighbor that um we went out to look there was holes in the ground. They thought that rats might be coming from
the property. Uh I'll kind of go back and reference what other things was on June 10th. multiple holes in the roof and siding of both structures which wasn't protected from the wind and rain. Overgrown brush and grass.
Tree branches had fallen. There was a gap in the fence. Broken and unsecured windows. Evidence of rodents were observed tracking holes under the fence. No water supplies. No electricity. uh the fawn conditions were found to exist in the residence that may endanger
or materially impair the health or safety or well-being of any persons or persons occupying the premises. We didn't see any persons on the premises and as I said the electricity and water was shut off. Um structures and property deemed to endanger the health and
well-being of persons and after 30 days. We did contact the owners to say it had been 30 days on this last correction order and they did go back and they put plywood up on the windows. They secure the fence and they cleaned
the area at that time. Uh today I went again to look at the property and it looks like they did a little bit more cleaning of the property and securing the um both of the structures with um more plywood. And I also got a
email from um Mr. Dennis Greenwood um and it was also from M Mr. Richard Joyce sent it to me who was um with Newman and Newman. and I'd like to read it to the board. So, this came in this
afternoon. It says, "To whom it may concern, Susa Design Architects has been retained and is working with ETV Enterprises LLC on the proposed development of 9-11 Thatcher Street in Milton. The existing
site is 16,750 ft with two existing structures. The proposed project includes the demolition of the existing structures and new construction of seven townhouse dwelling units within two new structures. SUSA
Design and ETB Enterprises anticipate having preliminary plans and rendering renderings prepared within the next few weeks to share with the town. Then you have any questions or further comments, don't hesitate to contact Dennis Greenwood.
Um I know board you've seen um all the pictures and you've seen the correction order. I don't know if you want to pull that up Emily. Maybe I will if I can share so everyone can see what's going on at that property. Let's see share screen.
Yeah, you should be able to share your screen. I don't have it pulled up. Yeah, it's here. Just lost him back. Use the correction. Share this. So,
can you see the screen? Can you see the screen? Yes, we can see it. Okay, perfect. So, this is the um June 10th correction order. bushes, potential injuries, tree
branches fallen, broken and unsecured windows, evidence of roads, no electricity, structures and property deemed to endanger the health and safety of well-being of the person. Just to show some of these pictures, holes in the siding across both
properties and siding of the roof where it connects brush and grass throughout the property. Okay. Unsecured fences, broken windows, rodents, tracks, and bubbles.
So, um, Mr. Blake, would you like to speak or would the board like to speak first about this property and the potential to condemn the property tonight? Uh, well, I'd like Hi. I'd like to hear what uh the attorney has to say first
and then the um gentleman who's here. I'd like to hear from both of them, you know, what options there are and um what the process is for um it sounds like they're looking at doing some structures there. So, you know, if it's condemned
versus not condemned, that type of thing, how how I'm I'm happy to jump in here. As you may or may not know, my name is Jeff Blake. recently took over as town council and I do an awful lot of this
board of health work. So, um, what what are your options here? Okay, there there are there is case law out there that says even if the building is abandoned, it's still subject to the state sanitary code if it's if there's a residential component to it. Um, that's how you have
the um attorney general's program for vacant buildings where they come in and require them to be brought up to code. You could require this building to be brought up to code. If the if it's not brought up to code, you could go to court and you could ask for an appointment of a receiver that would go
step into the shoes of the owner and bring the the entire building up to code, including water, electricity, etc., etc. So, um you you could condemn it today if you um I I you know, I think you may have to uh renotice or do a
different notification. Um, I'll leave that to uh to uh the health director. I I'm not 100% sure h how it was noticed, but in any event, um a condemnation would result in having to board and secure the building so that nobody could
go in um un uh uninvited. Um and that would require uh plywooding up the wall, the the the the windows, the doors. um uh fixing the fence to the satisfaction of the board of health,
making it rather than some temporary repairs, making uh legitimate repairs, you could also require them to uh hire an exterminator, get an exterminator in there, all the while it's boarded and secured. You could also today rather
than condemning it, you could simply ask the owners if they are willing to do at least boarding and securing the building, at least trimming back some of the overgrowth and and the brush, at least getting some type of um
exterminator in there to get rid of what could be rats or other animals um that are in there and to clean up the yard. Now, I'm looking at the holes in the in the building. I'm looking at what looks like brush and the like. Um, you could ask them to clean all of that up or you
can order them to clean all of that up without condemning the building. Um, now it's my understanding from reading this letter that this property may be scheduled to actually be I I think they said they were going to put seven
townhouse units in two new buildings. So that conotes that that that makes me think that they're going to demo these buildings. So I think you could also sit here and listen to what the owners have for plans and make your order
accordingly. But I I think at a minimum, you have a building that is that could be open to the public or it's an attractive for kids, for for the homeless, for people that just go in um and you know, just get in there and
maybe live in there and start fires in there and the like. And the yard is it looks like it's strewn with brush and other debris. So, I think at a minimum you could make that order. listen to what the owner has to say and if they
are in fact getting ready to demolish it. While I think you have the authority to require them to go in and bring the property up to the co up to code, I think you also have the discretion to to figure out whether or not um you're asking for something that's going to be
torn down in a month and a half, two months. Thank you. Mr. Joyce. Yes. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Um, my clients um both the current owner of the property and EBT uh development
um are looking to uh finally develop the property. This and to address some of the questions that I'm sure is some of the background um why has it taken so long for this development? Um there were multiple partners involved in the
ownership. uh one has since been bought out um which was a process um as far as organizing the right path going forward. So um the owners are now
investing time and money in getting this property to where they want it to be. As far as the um alleged violations, uh they have gone back in, they have reboarded everything. I've spoken with the health director um on a couple of
occasions. Um we are going to hire a or either have or are going to um either today or tomorrow. I'm a little unclear, but we will have monthly pest control there. Everything has been boarded. It's been cleaned up. The fence has been
resecured. Um, this is not a danger to the public right now and this is just a process of getting things organized so that we can submit. We don't know if we'll need zoning relief. Um, there is a likelihood
that these buildings will be raised in any event, but that is not 100% certain at this point. So, I don't want to represent that to the board and then come back and say, "Oh, well, we're going to use part of it." I believe the current plan is to
demolish the two, but the owners want to make very clear that they want the building to be secure. They want the fence to remain in place, and they want to make sure there's no rodents there. I suggest that we maybe continue this for
six weeks to allow them to uh apply, whether it be through the building department or for any necessary um planning or zoning relief that may be necessary to move this
property forward. Thank you, Mr. Joyce. board. You like to say anything? Um, I will. Sure. I I would be more inclined to um do something, not do the condemnation, but make sure that
everything is secure, that the pest control is there. Um because I mean, I think right now that's really what we're worried about, right? Is, you know, making sure that nobody can get in there and, you know, or a fire, there was a fire that, you know, somebody's going in there. We we just don't want that to
happen. So I would be more inclined not to condemn but to um ensure that uh all of the provisions are taken care of in terms of you know making it so it's you know maybe cleaning up the art a little bit um securing the building. I think
that's very important and the rodent control. I would say those things are very important and then just um have our board of health agent go out there and make sure that's done. Uh, and in the meantime, we could, you know, consider con, you know, continuing this more to
the next meeting, which usually is in four to six weeks anyway. But that's how I would feel about it. I would feel comfortable with that. I would second that, Roxan. Yeah, I agree with that. I I think if we can um make sure a
potential doesn't turn to an actual in any form is the right thing to do. Um, considering there's some processes um going on behind the scenes that will end up remedying hopefully some of the
problems. So, what I'm hearing is that you want this continued, we can um discuss this again in six weeks, four to six weeks at our next board meeting. If Mr. Joyce can please send me the pest control reports
uh monthly, uh that would be appreciated. Uh Mr. Blake, would you like to say anything else? Uh, briefly, I I I I think you should probably order the pest control rather
than leave it up to this is what we're going to do. I think you could order the pest control and order them to provide you with a monthly report and continue this matter till your next meeting. And I don't know, you know, if it's six weeks, great. If it isn't, you know,
whatever it is. Would we also need to um I know they said they've secured the building, but would we also need to put that in the order? Attorney Blake, I I think that wouldn't hurt. I I think that's probably a pretty good idea as
well is to, you know, I move to order them to secure the building, to continually keep the fence um in in in repair, and to have a professional exterminator
um at the property and exterminate whatever Burman may be there and provide us with a monthly update on the, you know, they they give you a report, the exterminator report. Great. Thank you.
Would you like to make a motion with um what Mr. Blake said or is that the motion and you'll second it? You can just move. You can just say so moved if you would like. Yeah, I would. So, yes. So, move that
motion. Okay. Are we all in favor? All in favor? I I All right. Great. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Because we are on Zoom, I think you have to do a roll call vote on those.
Do you want to announce us? I'm sorry I didn't hear what you said, Mr. Blake. And because we're on Zoom, a hybrid, we have to do roll call votes. All votes should be roll call. Okay. Okay. Um, so Laura,
I vote. Yes. Yes. Okay. Mary, I vote yes. And myself, yes. Good. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Joyce. Thank you, Mr. Blake.
Thank you both. Thank you. Thank you. It was a pleasure meeting everyone. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Okay. Okay. So, moving on
to uh number five on our agenda, discussion of warrant article 7 to see if the town will vote to amend chapter 105 alcoholic beverages of the general bylaws. So, um, article 7, uh, is a select board
article to see if the town will vote to amend chapter 105, alcoholic beverages of the general bylaws by amending section 1051, consumption on town property. So, the Warren Committee chair Jay Funling and
members Andrew Co and Nick Tagy reached out to myself and Roxan, our chair, Roxan Mto, to find out if the board of health did or did not support the article. After speaking individually to each board member and chair, the consensus is
that they are in favor of article 7 and support it as written. The warrant committee has also been in contact with the chamber of commerce and the Milton Art Center who are both supportive of this article. This article has safeguards which are noted uh ID
identification liability insurance trained tips which is training for intervention purposes program and police details and additional requirements. One day licenses shall only be issued to individuals or organizations under contract to utili utilize an entity
possessing a caterer's license, wristbands, a sketch plan, and then the select board may add, depending on the town land, require the alcohol sales and consumption take place only in a location to be designated for the purpose on the site plan.
And um after talking to all of the board of health um members and the chair, the board of health is in favor of the guidelines and provisions that are detailed in article 7 as written. Would you like to have any more discussion about this board?
I would say no. I think it was well vetted um between the warrant committee and select board. Um, so I feel comfortable with the way that it's written in the safeguards in place. I agree with that. I agree with that as well.
I agree with that as well to uphold the select board's decision. Okay. All right. Thank you, board. All right. We'll move along to um help directors report them.
Can I just uh I know Roxan is coming in. We have a healthcare capacity um audit letter. We're sending another late uh letter to the to the state to the governor and the state representatives. Um so um we printed the letter out and
if you'd like to come in and sign it, Roxan, I believe it's all in your packets too if you wanted to. Um sure, you know, review that or change any language, but I think we the board has looked at that and approved it. And so if you can come in and sign that, that'd be great. Roxy, we'll send that out.
Sure this week. Thank you. And then I spoke to um town um administrator Nick Milana. We're still waiting to get the Nor County Sheriff's Office. Um they have theou for the scholarships for um sober living and
town council is reviewing that right now. Town council is also reviewing a Curry contract um and hopefully they'll have that reviewed by tomorrow and that's to have Curry nurses help us at our flu clinics. So they're reviewing that language also.
Just an update on 68 Smith Road. Um the asbestous work has been completed inside the building. So that's good. Um the opioid abatement grant was released and um Emily um advertised it on social
media. Uh we sent it to the times, the mil schools, department heads and posted on our web page. So um we gave a a deadline of November 30th. Uh I don't think anyone's called about it to inquire, but it just went out last week.
So we're hopeful that we'll get a couple people that um apply for that grant. And then uh International Overdose Awareness Day, it's like a part two to our event previously. We're having that on October 20th. It's at the library.
It's honoring the memory of loved ones who have passed away from opioid overdose. So far, we've had almost a dozen residents submit photos and so it's going to be like a photo gallery and um there's a little story underneath that.
We'll have u people's photos. We're also going to have resources available. There's going to be some residents speaking about um their lived experiences and um so we're looking forward to that. That's next Monday. Caroline, quick question on that. Um what time is that from and what room is
that in? Is that in the keys room? So, it's not in the keys room. It's in the smaller room. We couldn't get the keys room because there was some event going on there. So, it's in the smaller room. I don't know if there's a name to that smaller room, but it's downstairs in the basement. And we're going to have the
photos, um the resources. Um we're going to have a light light dinner like pizzas and and um refreshments and stuff. And um that's where time is from speaking. 6:30 to 8. 6:30 to 8. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you.
Sure. And then we have our seasonal flu clinics that are starting this week. Uh tomorrow we're going to start our employees clinic and then the week after. We've got uh two scheduled for townwide which are both at the council on aging the 22nd and the 23rd from 4 to
6. And then we have our last one at the Pier School and that's October 29th from 4 to 6. We also had uh a clinic at Pine Tree Brook and we had 28 residents who came to that flu clinic. We had the drug takeback day which is
coming up also at the Milton Police Station and that's October 25th. That's on a Saturday. Uh it's from 10 to 1 and Ann and I are going to be staffing that. And uh also um speaking about uh the camps. So, um, Sue and I went to both
Curry College and Milton Academy, and we met with, uh, Steven Lamb at Curry, Kim Smith at Milton Academy to discuss and reiterate that we needed all the required documentation. Two weeks be prior to the camp opening and they agreed with that. So, they are on board with that. So, going forward
next year, we'll contact them again in the spring u, reiterate that, but they were definitely on board with that. the camps are not opening unless they provide all the material two weeks before. Um I think that's um anything else Emily that I'm missing.
I think that's I think that's it. I don't think that any any other questions for if there's anything else. The flu shots lines remembered or renewed. I think that's it. How many just a quick question, how many flu shots did you get this year? And
what was the division in terms of the you know um the over 65 and the regular flu shots versus, you know, for kids and things like that? What was your breakdown on that? That's a good question. I can only tell you probably 250 doses we got from the state for the
Pierce clinics and that's for the children. Okay. Um for the high dose maybe about 140 of the high dose and for the regular between two and 300. We decreased it from last year because we didn't get as
many people um last year which was disappointing. I think people were just wary about the vaccine or I'm getting texts all the time from CVS to get the vaccine. So, we just didn't have a lot of people uptake um a lot of uptake at the clinic. So, we're hoping that it'll
be a little bit better this year. And if not, then we're going to have to decrease it again. So, I love all the numbers by the end of the month. Okay. I guess we should be looking at a date for our next meeting. Is there anything coming up in terms of sewer or septic
issues? I mean septic issues, not sewer, septic that you foresee. Okay. I don't see anything. And then we have town meeting coming up. Yeah. That's on the 27th. Okay.
Yeah. So, we're looking into November, right? Do you want to um keep it on the Monday or the Tuesday? Either works for me. 17th,
24th. I probably wouldn't do the 24th just because it's Thanksgiving week. Yeah, 17th. Great. So, I'd either do the 17th or 17th works. 17th looks good. Okay. Yeah, sure. 17th is good. Okay. So, November 17th,
are we thinking a Zoom meeting on the 17th? Mhm. Sure. Sure. Okay. Are we to start having inerson meetings at any time?
Not right now. No, not yet. Not yet. I'll let you know. Okay. Okay. All right. With that, it's 7:37. uh we can uh adjourn the meeting if
that's okay that sounds thank you everybody have a good night the meeting thank you very much good night everyone good night