call the meetings to order. Um, can I get a motion to the meeting minutes from May 14th and May 28th? motion. Anyone want to second that? Thank you.
>> All in favor? >> Yes. >> Awesome. And then uh we have public comment up next. And it looks like I don't know if we have anyone online here, >> but we have a couple. It's a little slow
to respond here. >> Oh, there's Alan. Good. It's a little worried. >> Morning. >> Morning. >> Morning. >> We're just waiting for help. I clicked
on. Okay. That's everybody. say anyone is any any public comment from people online? >> Hi, I'm just I'm here for the Milton Times to see if there's any updates on anything.
>> Great. Thank you. >> Bon inclusion whatever sports um which is a topic. Yeah. Okay. So >> I guess it would be >> Yeah. So um inclusion sports Greg, do
you want to um tell us a little bit about what you have going on? >> Yeah, I'd love to. Thank you for reaching out and I know we have a lot of community members in Milton who have reached out to us to try to put this together. So um I can give you kind of a brief background and and typically how
we work with rec departments across the state. Um, so inclusion sports got started in 2021 kind of with my background um as in special education and I'm a behavior analyst. So I've worked with kids with various disabilities um for 16 years and
centers, homes, communities, clinics, um you name it. And um with that background in parallel going through the you sports program with our own family right after co our three-year-old was trying a local uh soccer program. We're on the Northshore. Um so a little bit further
away from you guys. And um it didn't go well. Um he left crying. My wife left crying. Um just basically from the setup of the program where um we didn't feel supported that he could um participate there. Group sizes were 25 30 kids. It
was a couple high school volunteers. And if the young kids weren't able to just be plopped in and played, it wasn't going to be a good fit. So, um, we went home, kind of defeated, looked up, um, maybe more supportive programs that existed, um, inclusive programs, um, and
that kind of pushed us in the direction of Special Olympics and some more Best Buddies type programming, um, which wasn't a right fit for our family as he does not have a disability. So, we found that there's this middle ground in the sports industry where um kids that might
not fall into your typical plugandplay um didn't really have a chance to thrive in in the youth sports world. So, um with my background in helping kids with um disabilities and getting them up and running, I went to work kind of thinking of like how can I bridge my background
plus the youth sports world and that's where I got started talking with Lisa Drenin. Um, are any of you familiar with her work with um, Merge is her company? She she trains wreck departments nationally now. >> Oh, wow. Lisa, >> I'm not familiar.
>> Lisa is fantastic. So, um, she has her own company called Merge. She trains YMCA's rec departments on how to improve and implement inclusion strategies. Um, so her and I got together and with my behavior background plus her inclusion background, we were on to something pretty unique. Um, we brought in our PE
consultant, Ally. She's designed all of our sports curriculum. She has 16 years experience globally. She's taught PE in places like Russia, China, Brazil. A great fit for our organization. Um the three of us got together, made the curriculum for the program, the training
for all of the coaches. We launched in partnership with Damanders Recreation where we live um in the fall of 2021. So, we're coming up on our 5-year anniversary, which is really cool. Um and we've continued to grow since then. We offer programming up on the New Hampshire border up to Newberry Port and
Haveril. We're down in Canton and Easton kind of near you all. Um and then um our goal is to continue expand as we're having conversations with other organizations in New England. Um so the way we operate is kind of that bucket of partnering with rep departments. We're fully mobile. Um so we bring the
equipment, we bring the coaches, um deliver the program, pack up and leave. So it's really um win-win for the our partnering organizations. um they can enhance their program offerings that they can give to their communities. Um and we handle all the the um programming
types. So um Alli's designed our curriculum so that we are multisport program. We have 12 sports that are in our curriculum bank that we offer. Um and typically how it looks when we partner with the rec department is over a 8week um series and we'll teach two
sports over the eight weeks. So we'll do four weeks of one sport and four weeks of another sport. give the kiddos an opportunity to try different things. Um, see if they're passionate about something, see if maybe they really don't like something, um, without having to invest in a 3-mon soccer program like
we did and having to leave after 2 weeks. Um, gives the the families an opportunity to see if their kids like something, another opportunity for them to um, maybe play baseball in the backyard where they didn't know little Johnny actually liked baseball. So, um, that's kind of how the model looks in terms of our sports programming.
Everything's non-competitive. So, we're playing games um like Shark Attack and Alien Tag and Clean Your Room. Just breaking down the sports into the movements and games through fun and engaging um activities. We um have small ratios of kids intentionally. So, the
most we'll have in a group is 10 kids and we'll have two coaches for that. Um we group our kids by age. So, our curriculum is for ages 2 to 10. So, we'll have um 50-minute classes as our program. So, we'll do typically on the weekend mornings, um, we'll have 2 to
four year olds as a group and they'll go 9:00 a.m. to 9:50. Then we'll have 5 to 7 year olds as a group, they'll go 10:00 a.m. to 10:50. And then, um, we do go up to 10 years old. So, some communities we have a 8 to 10 year old program. Some
communities, um, we stop after two classes and some communities, um, that third class reverts back to a younger age group. Um, and that's just really the unique part about uh working with us is we tailor the program to whatever the community needs. Some of our communities
we have um three 2 to four year old programs. Some communities it's 2 to 4, 5 to 7, then 2 to 4. Some it's 2 to 4, 5 to 7, 8 to 10. So it really depends on what your community is looking for. Um, and we were able to match that with our curriculum for kids ages 2 to 10. Um, in
terms of >> what kind of uh what kind of facilities do you typically need? >> Great question. So outdoors we're usually in your parks, your uh little league fields, your T-ball fields, not a ton of space. Our programs 10 kids, so we really don't need a ton of area. Um,
a lot most a lot of our programs right now were in like the outfield of like little league fields, things like that. And then um and it works out well for some of our program where we're doing like soccer and baseball. We'll play soccer in the outfield for four weeks and then for the four weeks we'll use
the baseball diamond. So um we've been in um the back of uh schools, the um library fields. We're really um flexible where we are and we don't need a ton of space. >> So can you um can you just explain like
costs and such? like what's the typical cost and and what's that model? >> Yep. So, for the 8week program, we charge $200 for the family and then um whatever the rec department typically adds on a percentage of that to cover administration fees or gym space or
things like that, they'll add on um a percentage of 5, 10, 15, 20, something like that. Um and that gets passed on to the family. So, um a lot of our partners are doing like 10% on top of the 200. So it'll be a cost of like 220 to the
family and then um 200 would go to us and 20 would go to the organization the community or the recck department. >> So I I think there was a question too just it was around registration. So we I believe we were collecting the
registration but you I think somebody said that you were collecting the fee. I think that was the the question um I had heard originally. So, are you collecting the money or are we collecting the money or and how's how's that look?
>> Yeah. So, the the recck department or organization collects all the registration information um and the fees and all of that and then we just invoice at the conclusion of the program for the number of kids that were in the program. Um >> so, do you guys use a website to handle
registrations? >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, we've worked with like my and like some of those other um platforms where we um share the rosters so we can see the kids on it and give parents information about our program. Um and then we just send an invoice at the end
of the 8week program that covers the cost. Try to keep it as easy as possible. >> I think the biggest question is fields, right? >> Yeah. >> And availability. >> Yeah. when >> Yeah.
>> What is your time of year that you're looking for? >> Yeah. So, I think as we're getting into summer, um, for us the earliest would be like I don't I'm sure your indoor space is even more difficult. Um, but then >> is it hard?
>> We don't we don't have schools. It's all in the schools. >> Okay. Do you guys work with the schools to set up programming or is it like school based? Yeah. >> Yeah. We work through the schools. >> You make the programs and they host it.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. We've had that. So that's kind of our model. So we could basically going back to your question is starting potentially in the winter if there's indoor space. We have like floor hockey and basketball. Um we do a lot of indoor programming um across the state in that
way. A lot of our partners don't have access to schools and don't have access to their own wreck halls. So generally we'll do a spring and a fall program with them. So right now we're finishing spring programming um that will go through next weekend. Um some
organizations will start their summer program that we have and then we'll do um a fall program which we have ready for most or um towns. >> Just real quick too, is it just is it once a week like weekly? >> Yep. Yeah. So generally it'll be um like
Saturday or Sunday morning and once a week for the 8 weeks. So if we wanted to try for next spring it'd be something like the end of April through the end of June. And then the fall is um right after Labor Day to um like Halloween
time. So it's 8 weeks once a week take off um like Columbus Day weekend. So it's like basically a 9week program with like eight classes. So, um, that's what it generally looks like. >> And Greg, you provide the staffing.
>> Yep. We bring equipment and staff. So, generally for the for the rec departments, it's setting up registration, taking the the fees and the information, and then providing the field space. We show up with the coaches and the equipment and deliver the program.
And then I know you mentioned there's 12 sports. >> Yep. >> Can you just run through those? >> Yeah. So, generally the fan favorites that we usually do, soccer, baseball, we do a uh flag football, um track and field's been a really fun one for the
kids, which I didn't know it would be, but we have these um like foam javelins and fun little shot put things. So, it really gets the kids engaged that way. um floor hockey, basketball. Um I think those are the main ones that the
kiddos pick. We do we did just add like a cheer and a golf. Um so we're really uh trying to meet some different needs that some community members are trying to look for. Um but as we get started, I'd recommend like those first six or seven. We could try two of them in your
community. >> Okay. Okay. >> Um, generally >> I'm just I'm just curious like did you reach out to Milton Town W or did you do how did they how this come about? >> There we have uh one of our regional
head coaches is a me a town member lives in Milton and then also one of our coaches also lives in Milton. Patty Sanchez um kind of brought this all together. >> Um so uh this is generally how we talk to rec departments. these meetings and
then um I have uh kind of a summary sheet that I'll type up and like send that details some of the things that we talked about and then we can just stay in touch in terms of um timing, field space, things like that. But I can just kind of summarize all the things we talked about in an email.
>> Great. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Thanks. >> Thanks. any questions you have in the meantime. Um, I'm emailed on one of the threads, so feel free to reach out, um, with any questions.
>> Great. Sounds good. >> Have a great day, everybody. >> Thank you. >> Anything else on that? We're good. >> Yep, we're good for now. >> All right. playground group presentation
will be I'm Byron one of the co-residents of the PCR and I'm a co-president of PC Yeah. >> Oh, I apologize in advance for those of you who have heard us speak about this
project about a million times. Uh, sorry. So, we um, as is laid out on the sheet that we just passed out, the trucker playgrounds has not had any meaningful improvements in over 20 years. The other elementary schools have had some improvements. So, we are trying
to build a totally new playground next summer. Um, the budget is on the back of the sheet. It's 11.4 million. We have raised $530,000, maybe a little bit more as of today. Um,
and we are hoping to kind of tell you a little bit about the project, why we need to do it, and we have some renderings to show you of what it will look like. And the reason that we're here is because we're hoping that um this new playground can be a resource for the town. We know there's lack of
field space, a lack of space in general, and the new playground we're hoping can help maybe be a resource for the town and be a little gem in in West Mountain. And so the project came about because we have had continuous injuries on the playground. We've had kids go into the
emergency room. Um and it has been a frequent source of discussion on kids safety. Um and then looking around at the other projects or others probably had improvements as I really
um we started last year around this time of the project. um forming a committee just and um we originally with Bill Madden we did some preliminary design um ideas just to help us figure out like the
scope of the project and what whether it was just kind of updating things or a full redesign. I think one thing that came out also is the space is so small and the space is really not fully utilized. I think we're the only school that doesn't have the ability to do
recess and gym at the same time. We really want to make sure our kids are having the same outdoor experiences as the other schools. So, for those of you I'm sure everyone here has seen it, but that's kind of what it looks like right now. Um
there is like the the climbing wall is cautioned off because it's not feasible anymore. I think the big one of the big sources of injury is on the like what the kids call the the pitch where soccer is often played but it's a multi-use
area. There's a curb um and the ground was really uneven um and so kids are constantly dripping chipping teeth working. So once we um formed the working group and saw what was possible, CPC gave us some money to hire landscape
architects, which we did and they kind of got to work right away and they um sent out a survey to the whole community soundwise, schoolwide, figured out what people really wanted in that space. Um this is kind of a summary of the feedback and they started to come out
based on that with some preliminary concepts. um each of those preliminary concepts to the community at large again and have the kids and teachers um kind of vote on what they liked. And meanwhile, as this is all going on, the landscape architects are working
directly with the design committee which includes the gym teacher, a teacher, parents who all have um relevant backgrounds in that area. And lately, um, Bob Mayhew has adequately he's started to come to those meetings too as we get further along so that the town is kind of fully aware of what's going on
in the design phase. Um, so from those preliminary concepts of this was the voting that happened. >> It was a community uh gathering. The kids also they created packets that were done in class with the teachers draw getting their feedback too.
>> They voted the stickers, you know. How else? And then we came up with um the playgrounds, the renderings. So this is what this work would look like. Um you can see there's a large multi-use field in the middle. There's basketball courts
that also have different paintings on it for different games. Brand new um uh play equipment with rubber surfacing underneath versus right now all wood chips. Um, and we have we've had to maintain access for the the trap, but it's going to become like a trap. And
over here is a rain garden. And there's a total redevelopment of our outdoor classroom, which is used all year round, particularly um by certain teachers, maintain it all year, and they grow, they has a garden club, a very active garden club. and we just got a grant um or we're hoping to get a grant through
the schools where more food that is grown there will be used at Tucker and then potentially in the rest of the district. So, it's a very very active tiny um outdoor classroom, but it's really a huge focal point of the program. also a performance area too
that I haven't formed but there I have three boys so I'm more focused here that we're trying to share it appeals to a lot of people um and just some different that's kind of a cool picture of what it looks like
>> yeah so there's a bunch of these we won't go through >> is there water play is that is that what that is >> the rain with um with runoff and and from a sustainability 's perspective. It >> this is where the whole playground drains too. And even right now that's part of the soccer pitch and it just
kind of like goes into like this >> and there's like erosion that naturally occurs. So it's kind of embracing there is an like a kind of a nature nook in there. It will not involve water play but um yeah just see the outdoor class area. There is another playground out
front the prek playgrounds but we're not touching that with this project. It's not in as much disrepair. We don't know what's happening with the programming that's going to be run in different schools. So that is not part of this project. Um yeah, there's a bunch more bunch more pictures, but
>> if anyone wants to see it, we'll show one more. >> I know you guys. >> Um so on the sheets that are in front of you are kind of the breakdown of the budget and what we've raised so far and where we hope to raise the rest of our
money. Um because there we're kind of really committed to the timeline of breaking ground in summer 2027. It's going to be a summer timer where we start the day after school gets out and finish right before school begins with maybe some small parts of the project being completed during the year. But we
have to make it um usable obviously for the start of school in 2027. >> I have a few questions. >> Yeah. >> One would be basically like this this gets set up and then who controls the program for it? So let's say like the
field who >> is it the school? It's the school that's going to say and then and then you guys would be >> would be able to like meet let's say like this inclusion sports or something wanted to run a program right like >> right >> would would they be able to use that
>> and and set it up like for evenings or whatever >> I mean I assume that operate the way it operates now where if anyone wants to use school space the school would make that determination once the construction contract is signed we've been partnering with the PTO have been partnering with the town for a lot of this once the
construction construction contract is signed, it will be fully a town MPS project. Um, we're trying to get it there quickly, but I suspect that it will operate in the same way as the rest of the school. >> Will we use the Tucker gym for anything?
>> Yeah. Friday. >> Yeah. >> Can you go back to the plan real quick, too? Um, so it's the basketball. So, obviously you have a little a little field, but then it's like a half court basketball, right? >> We can share. It's two hoops next to each other
>> because the trash truck has to be able to turn around right here. The gym teacher also wanted to be able to have like two kind of games. She thought the >> the use of the space. >> Yeah. The principal and the gym teacher wanted wanted the hoops next to each
other. So that's where they're at right there. But particularly having like you can kind of see if one were to draw on a soccer fields. Um we're missing a little bit of a corner which people in my house have taken objection to but I feel like
you can do you can go the other way. You can build a smaller triangle. You can run you could run some level of programming out of that space. >> Yeah. >> So the rain garden was um by the landscape designer. Did they put that there or were they in conversation with
the town? Because I know the engineering department was >> as part of the open space was looking for an area for a rain garden. So that might answer that question that maybe could help in offset some cost >> really. You know, we were not aware of that.
>> They want to put it the parking lot to Andrew's park, >> right? But maybe there would be a better option. Maybe they if they're already planning on doing that, there's maybe some >> Yeah, that's a great idea. >> Or another
>> um >> we can put you in connection so you can have at least a conversation about it. Yeah, I know that the landscape designer is also working with the staff to try and like incorporate certain vegetation planning that would be used during the for curriculum based
um just >> have you gotten any um feedback on the uh the surface of the field? >> Yes. So we like I said earlier Bob me who's been involved and we had a full conversation a full meeting about what
could grow there potentially. Um, obviously we wanted to really explore having a grass field. That was everyone's preference. However, grass would require not using it for a year in order for it to stay gold, which means the the kids of soccer wouldn't have a playground for a full year. And we had
um uh select board member Driscoll come out and take a look. And kind of everyone who's looked at that space, given the size of it and what it would require, like the off period it would require and the heavy heavy use it gets all day and on the weekends. um it would
be a a dirt field essentially. It you couldn't put grass there. Um so we have priced out turf that is what is a part of our budget because people all the powers that be and people who know more about this than we do um including our landscape architect do not think it's
feasible to have grass grown >> and right now it's faithful. >> It's asphalt is uneven broken asphalt. So it's not a >> it's not like we're taking a grass field and ripping it out. No, I I'd love it. >> Yeah, >> I really do.
>> But we I mean it hasn't taken it off the table. We're having a memo prepared right now about the pros and cons, the viability of grass because we really want to fully explore that. The preliminary conversations. That's where we're at. >> And the maintenance alone on it will yield.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, >> that was kind of the feedback. Yeah. Some fulltime job. eventually we'll have to do the next years. >> Yeah. >> Um so yeah, we wanted you guys to be
aware that in the pipeline we hope it happens and if there's any questions or um suggestions or ways that you think even to what we just discovered to support we, you know, we'll take all the help we can get. We are holding ourselves to a very fast
>> and I know you guys have some state funding because we are we've submitted our eligibility application. Yeah. For this round of funding and we've applied to different grants um we got the state funding and
then we have a federal grant we're waiting on >> which is still there. You can see it online checks progress daily. Yeah. But we have Yeah, I presently chose it as a as a community funding project to push through. So, it's a push.
>> Is that 250 included in your 530 raised or is that part of the >> That's part of the 530. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, so you still have a a million dollar delta. >> Yeah. 900,000. >> Yeah. >> 900. Yes, we I mean within that we have
uh the 400 450 that has moved right along from the Presley uh community project funding. We have we've submitted for 300 to CPC the second round. Um and we're doing outreach to we have different grant applications. All of our
what we've applied for and what is out there would get us to our goal. We don't have like a a gap that we're not trying to cover. Um but obviously, you know, we don't know what we're >> You might You might not get the full. >> You might get the full. So, we are always looking for um and we're
continuing to apply to grants. Yep. >> And if you didn't if you if you got the full You got the full, you guys are >> good to go. Or is there still a little delta you need to Okay, >> that's I was wonder like this is why we got to get that open space going to get
that thing finished because then it unlocks the >> Right. Yes. I was looking at that grant actually and realizing that it wasn't quite something that we took for Yeah. So that committee like >> that committee so I think >> and that's due soon I think for
>> Yeah. It's been it's been like in the works for three years. So hopefully it's they'll get it tied up and >> does the open space committee and the the lead on that have they heard from you guys? Is that >> actually know for the back specific?
>> Yeah. They just sent us an email. It's um I think Avante >> who planning director. >> Okay. >> So I can send you his contact. It'd be
nice if he knew that >> there might be a little more >> because we actually are just not eligible for that grant we were looking at. Right. >> Or it won't be until they until they finish that study. >> Oh, okay. >> So, like that this committee needs to
finish it. They're almost like they should be able to finish it quickly. >> Yeah. >> It's due in July or something. They want this year. >> Yeah. >> Well, even more if it's due in July. You guys haven't even met. >> Yeah. >> But right on.
>> So, >> well, it looks very Thank you guys. Yeah, it's >> a beautiful project. Actually, >> um if you don't want to come back, >> uh you want to make a motion to support this so that we can write a letter for them >> for CPC. >> Yeah.
>> Uh then you don't have to come back. We just write you a letter for a support. So, I'll make a motion to support the project with a letter of support for the CPC >> application. Second, that all in favor? I >> I
>> beautiful project. >> Good luck. Good luck. Try to raise as much private funding as you can. >> Like 100,000 private privately from the Tucker community only. We raisedund6 110,000 right now. >> That's great.
>> That's in addition to our PTO operational budget. So from our community is $160,000. So that's amazing. I don't see any for our community for beautiful project. Thank you. Good luck. >> We'll be in touch. We'll send that
along. >> Thank you. >> No problem. >> Thanks, guys. >> All right. Next up, we have Ty Bond, Ally, and Ryan. Thanks for sticking around. >> Of course. Good morning, guys. How are you?
>> Good. >> Doing okay. Um, I see the order of the um of the agenda has some lower turf project update below us and I think that kind of plays into our conversation
today. Rob, do you want to do do we want to keep our update in front of that one or do you want to do the lower guy update first and then talk about where we're at? >> I mean, we can talk about it in the same time. >> That's fine. I I mean I think the big
the bigger conversation here is specifically regarding any park improvements, the talk of whether turf, grass, I think um you know it's all on the on the table and I think the last time we spoke Ryan is that we kind of
have to take a step back and if we and and really take our time whether we're going to commit to a plague surface, right? that what I what I what I'd like to do is just like look at kind of the improvements that are there, keep it on the table, right? That like that whether
we do grass or turf or whatever, we're just looking at park improvements. Um, so that I think that's basically the the gist of this as we kind of go through. >> Okay. So, just to kind of like reorganize my thoughts, when we
>> Rob gave us a call, I don't know if that was a week ago or so, Rob, or a little bit more than that. We were working on trying to finalize the report, a draft report to kind of talk through with you guys and send over to you guys. >> And Rob had given us a call >> and said two things are happening. um
one the lower guy or field got passed, but it's it's up for potentially another >> No, it didn't even get let's just say it didn't I we should take a step back and talk about Lower Guy. So Lower Guile itself from what we now know
is the process is we we could be a year out from from getting this thing passed. That's the realistic timeline for this. So, we're waiting for the OADR opinion on that. It's going to go back to the D. The opposition that is on this appeal
can file an appeal in 30 days, which if they do that, it'll still be we can't go out to bid or anything. So, the realistic piece of this is we're on this continual track, right? And this project's been happening for 10 years. So I that's where I just want to pause
and say, you know, we got to be really careful because we don't we don't know where that project's going to go, right? And then I don't know between us I I I think I want to have the discussion of like should we should we have a discussion with the folks that are in
the opposition, right? Like is it worth reaching out to them, Carolyn? Right? To like listen to them and like what's the end goal for this project? because if we're a year away, we're a year away at least probably is the realistic timeline for that project. Okay. So that that's that's one piece of
this Ryan. And then the other piece is of course is we want you know we're doing you guys have look at all these fields right for us and what we I had asked you like is there if we were to even move that project somewhere I I think the the general gist
is we'd have to go through this whole planning thing over again. It's almost which would be just crazy to even try to do that. Uh so I think like the lower guy field is the the one piece but as we go and look
at it other pieces right that I just think we have to be really careful on the conversation of grass and turf because I think we we want to navigate that correctly. Right. So I I don't want to necessarily sell out and say hey we're doing turf everywhere or whatever. I think we should just keep that
conversation open and also when we're looking at any improvements specifically like flatly we like flatly right so and it came to my attention that that park itself as well is not under the it's not under the commissioner's control that is
conservation land so that's a whole another separate discussion right so um >> I think it's pertinent to our discussion because we were the last conversation we had with the parks and recck commission was Our approach to how we were going to meet the deficit in the field was we
were going to add field availability by providing synthetic turf and lights down at lower guile and we were going to add field availability providing lights and synthetic turf field at flatly field and that's how we were going to make up our deficit of multi-purpose rectangular fields. That's the way the support was headed. And so then we got this
information for Rob that was like >> hey both of those may not be a possibility >> or we need to we need to work a little bit harder to understand the possibility of both of those. So, we kind of pulled back and said, "Okay, let's talk with the parks commission a little bit more about how we want to approach it." >> I'll say that the challenge, Ryan, here
is it's we there's a two-step process in this. And while I think flatly is the right way to go about this, the parks commission has to get control over that. And the only way to legally do that potentially is a land swap of land.
That's for instance, Ryan, the land that we have over at the town dump. It we know it's useless. We went out there, we walked it, it's between two wetlands. We can't do anything with that land. So, unfortunately, it's just another hurdle for us to get over that. We would need to even have the conversation. But us
even looking at this, it's news to us, right, that like, okay, it's actually conservation land and there's deed restrictions in this. So the only way to like surpass that would be to do potentially like a land swap of land that we have under our control that we
can't necessarily use to swap out that we actually could use for lower. So all that being said it's very turf is very controversial. We know that and so I I think like we have to keep our minds open whether like we
want to do any improvements there. And I will tell everyone here that the deed restrictions are very flat. >> Yeah. You can't you basically can't even excavate. So if we want to do like a grass field and we want to renovate grass field, you can't dig. You can't put you can't put any like
>> you basically can't do anything. You you can't put lighting. You can't you can you couldn't do a lot of stuff >> with the way that No, you couldn't. So go back to the purpose of this exercise. >> Yeah. One of the things that I got I know I
came on late on this but one of the things that I heard and I agree with was to show a deficit. >> Yeah. >> In terms of what we look >> Yeah. >> as the planners that deficit still exists independent of this party the conversation.
>> Yes. So if one of the goals to show the deficit and why in this particular case improving grass deals doesn't actually help our overall situation that still persists independent of the turf debate. >> Right. So >> yeah, >> I would ask then while I understand the
caution, >> what is the purpose then of putting forward a plan that doesn't suggest that we're going to have this deficit and actually may suggest the opposite which is grass fields can be a alternative when in fact we're suggesting in reality
that's not true. >> So here I I will say I I will say this because we we we have to be we have to be very careful as we go forward, right? What I don't want to do is like shut down turf fields down people's throats right now. I I think what you could do
is say listen there might be some in between ground here that like lower guile should absolutely move forward talk with these folks to say listen we're also thinking about doing these other improvements but even if I can get lighting on a field and I can do these other improvements it maybe gets me to a
to a place right that we can still do more programming there and you know trust me if I if I could just say hey let's do turf there and and it didn't take 10 years right I'll be I'd probably be out of Milton 10 years you know But like that's my that's my struggle with this. But I think for right now I think
we have to just say listen we're open to the idea of like if we want to do any improvements there we just have to be open to it. We can't say like we want to be >> again I don't think I suggest we're not open to anything. I think we're I think we're open to everything. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. And again, I
go back to if I'm in opposition, right, >> of this and I see that you have only grass alternatives and then we come back later and say now we want turf. I don't know that that we don't start back from square one and turf opposition at some point. So I guess I I understand what
you're saying. There are options. This is not the this commission saying we're going to go turf everything. It is a recommendation, >> right, >> from a third party suggesting that if we're going to make up a deficit, they think turf is a necessary part of that at some location. That's all I'm saying.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then that report would still say, >> hey, parks commission, if Turf wasn't an option for you guys, the purchase of additional land or acquisition of land in which you could provide for additional natural turf fields would be a way to get there,
>> right? But we know right now that's probably not likely. I guess what I'm trying to say is there's we have a huge hurdle just to even get control over flatly if we want it right. So we have to in order to do that.
>> So I guess my question how does this report influence that part of it? >> It could. So I want to be that's where I want to be like very careful right because if this report comes out and says which maybe we vote for and say listen and and this is the evidence like
this is how we make up the deficit is like this is synthetic theory. We're not saying we're doing anything. >> There's optionality. You said we want to improve flatly. The recommendation from Tylon may be to maximize what we're suggesting. They not
necessarily us are suggesting that turf would be a component of that. But you have the optionality that if you can't do turf or choose not to do turf that an improved grass field then we may still have a deficit of two fields. >> Correct. But but but I think to eliminate it completely
>> Yeah. I think it would be >> Yeah. At this point, at this point, I think it's like, okay, let's see what like >> that's their recommendation and then we we see where that goes, right? >> I think the priority for this entire
board is for lower guidance turn, right? >> We are in 100% agreement that >> we're in a you know hamster wheel right now because this project could end up just keep getting delayed. So I think
first step is we've got to find a way to get >> that project done. >> I think that Tai and Bond is going to give us their report. I think the report can say if you put turf here that's going to help solve your field issue.
>> Grass can also go in this spot. We're not choosing one over the other but it's letting us know the options. To me, the biggest problem is we've, you know, Ty and Bon has designed this beautiful facility at Flatly
>> and now it sounds like we can't do anything on it. >> And that to me is the bigger issue. >> We can't do anything right now. >> I was worried about having that piece out in the public. Like here's like all these improvements we're proposing and the parks commission doesn't even >> Well, I mean, I think it's fine because
we're doing the work, right? It's like I also think in order to get that piece it's like we did all this work by the way then there's a reason to swap the land. And by the way Ryan I think in your report that's really important is >> what I think would be useful for you
guys is to identify some of the pieces of land that is no blues of us right like and what the acreage is. So what I what I heard this week is that typically in a if you're going to swap land and it a one for one isn't great. So if you can
get even more right land then and I don't know what the acreage is but if you guys can do that piece for us I would say the one that was at the town dump which we've walked twice right and it's like worthless to the parks and rec you know to make that a park it's it
would be a lot of work and money. Um, so what's the acreage of that? And then I'm throwing another one out like the one down by like Brush Hill Road that's by like Napanza River. I don't think that's >> that little triangle. >> That little triangle, but there's and I'm sure there might be others, right?
Like fairly I would >> The St. Mary school one is one we've talked about that's not a big enough area to provide anything. >> But that's not our that's not ours. So I think it has to be parks and wreck land in order to do that. So, so I what I will say is I think we should keep our
options open and just say just like the Tucker people said it's a multi-use field like like we don't say in the planning that it could be either one. And so I think where I'm trying to get to is I understand it's a deficit but right now we can't even do anything at that part. So like I have to get to get
over that one hurdle. I I I understand that. But I think part of that report then also at some juncture needs to say that and again if we feel that this is appropriate that part of this other plan that they're putting together is somewhat contingent upon the fact that
under an assumption that lower GIA becomes a multi-use facility with turf and that still means we still have a deficit which will only be exaggerated if the lower guy project does not move. I think that's part of the statement that has to happen. Otherwise, you're
we're perception-wise allowing an opposition to suggest, wow, you've got all these plans that don't include turf anywhere. You don't need turf. And I think we need to avoid >> Yeah. >> putting ourselves out in that way. >> Yes. >> 100%. >> So, I I think we're all on the same page with that. And and we like listen, we're
we're trying to like best I'm trying to find a solution, right, to the lower guy. And every time I come back, it's like, okay, well, we can go out to bed, but we can't go out to bed, right? Like, I knew that. Like, so here we are again, a year away. So, I just feel like, is there a way to have a conversation with
these folks? >> Yeah. >> And maybe you can reach out to, >> you know, and so that's where I'm trying to put on the >> table. No, I don't know. >> And it may be impossible, but just, you know, we all have to mentally prepare
ourselves. It could be it probably be another year till that actually goes in. >> I don't have a good answer. >> I don't have anything. >> Um but I think um that's kind of the next step, Ryan, was so like I don't think we should pump the brakes. Like I
I love what you presented so far. And yes, it like best case scenario would be and this is why I said like if we could put one turf field there it would be awesome because then it it's it gets us a programming. I just don't want to say we're going to do this over the next
year or whatever. So here's I guess this is another option at Pierce Middle School, right? >> Yeah. When Rob and I talked last week, he had asked just like could we look at what could go at Pierce Middle School if anything like if lower guy funding couldn't happen down there, could we move it up? And obviously you guys
hopefully can see the property is just not big enough to take on a field of that size which is likely why it's never been developed or anything in the past. The other option I looked at Rob and I just want to show the parks commission is like what could go there. So this is
a 200 foot softball field and so that fits and so I was trying to like look at what other facilities in the community if we moved a softball field to Pierce could we put a synthetic chart field somewhere else or multi rectangular field somewhere else. Um and ultimately
the two that come to mind are Kelly and the high school but it doesn't really gain us anything. >> It's really just what fits here. So >> I didn't see any gain. I think it's a worthwhile exercise, right? Because at the end of the day continues to make the case for why we need lower guile, right?
It's like, okay, at least you like even if we were to say, hey, if there was another spot and then someone also suggested like what if we did it at middle guile, right, and we just moved it up. I I don't think it changes the conversation at all. And in your study, it also like we also have the baseball
field there and and the way we use softball there. Like I don't think you're gaining anything by doing that. I I tried to see if I could if I took the softball field out of Middle Guile and just tried to pull a rectangular field, but I couldn't have two dedicated field spaces. So, I couldn't have the full 90 foot diamond and the rectangular space
in that area by moving the softball field to Pierce Middle School. So, >> Oh, I see. >> You know what I mean? I was trying to see if I could if I could like gain a field space out of playing a shuffle game, which obviously costs more money than just >> But but the big thing, too, is is like that's a school, right? and they use the field. So, they're not going to want a
softball field. >> They're not gonna want to go to the middle school to go play softball. They want to play at high school. >> But I appreciate I appreciate like I think it should be part of your study, right? Like at the end of the day, we have these things. We looked at them, right? And it's just like it makes no sense to do that. Uh but yeah, so
>> everything that you show up on the flatly field now it's like okay now according to this deed you know we just we have to we have to get uh get over that hurdle first >> Ryan the behind Pierce.
>> So is it is it if you just show that again. So, so is that space is soccer the only sport that if that field was shrunk a little bit couldn't play there? Like could football be there? >> Full size football. It doesn't have the
length. You could play youth soccer there. If we put a synthetic turf field there. >> Okay. Would that be the only play there? >> Yeah. Football uses it for practice already. >> They're using it. They bring lights in. The youth football. >> I know. The high school football field used to be there. >> Yeah. It used to be the Milton High
School football. >> Did they build a school after? >> Uh, >> they did expand it, but >> added on to it, but they didn't. It looks like the same. >> I know. That's what I thought. >> Interesting. I'm going to look back through historical area. I'll see if I can't find that. >> It's just not long enough. So, the
football field is 360t like regardless. There's no alternative length. >> What's the length of this one? >> That's a 360 by 18. So, that's we gave width for soccer basically. >> Oh, yeah. go to the building. So this is the pole on there. >> Yeah. And so if I like your property
line is like >> hammered way out. >> And the building Sorry if this is too light for you guys. Uh >> if I can get this out of the way, but your your building's right here. >> Fire lane is right here. So I you know I
would assume this is not >> not a viable option. >> Yeah. >> No, it's shut up. Um um >> the other thing we talked about the last time with the board was looking at the um a concessions building at
Flatlyfield. I know that's all, you know, up for discussion, but I wanted to kind of update the board on some budget numbers. I had given you a kind of off the top of the head cost for uh a uh restroom building and and uh kind
of a pavilion. And so we reached out to this company that we work with often for concessions, restaurants, buildings at town parks, especially when we're in this planning preliminary stage to try and understand what costs might be associated with it and on a square footage basis. And so they we took a
shot at it. I just want to make sure like we're on the same board on the same, you know, thought process as the rec commission. We basically have this large pavilion area out in front of it, 40 foot of pavilion space with a restroom space at the back of it. Um
there's a women and men's restrooms. There's a couple of stalls per each restroom, a little mechanical space in between. Um you know, side profile of it looks something like this. Obviously, the >> Could you cut could you cut that like in
half and take out one bed of like 20 or something? >> Of course we can. Yeah. Whatever the whatever the commission wants. We we just took a shot at it. >> Did you Did you put it on the plan? >> I'm just worried about the footprint of it, how big it is. >> I don't think we're showing it on this
plan at the correct size at the moment. >> Um, we can we can add it here at the right size. It's only like if we cut it in half >> as you had requested. >> I mean, it's great if it fits. >> 34 foot. Yeah, >> it looks really big. Um the question was does the restroom
size seem appropriate? There's no like defined like you must have because we don't have stadium seating here. If you had stadium seating it would say per x number of seats you have x number of stalls in but because it's like bring your own chair. Um it's kind of you know up for
interpretation. You know eventually your code enforcement group and your engineering group would have a conversation about do we have enough restrooms there? From a from a parks commission, from a planning perspective, were you guys thinking a more elaborate space than that or were you thinking
maybe along those lines? >> So, is it two stalls in each? >> Let me go back to the floor plan. The answer is yes. It's it's two stalls. One handicap stall, one non handicap stall, and one >> I think that's fine. >> And then I mean, I would say just do one.
>> I know. One handicap for everybody. >> Well, you'll be required. Yeah. Okay. >> But what so what what's the cost of this? >> So uh m to all in let's just say about 600 by the time you bring utilities to
it. The cost of materials and building is around five and then I'm leaving $100,000 to get utilities to it. >> Okay. that the biggest issue, right, is like and I guess you said you solved it is like if you have locks that
automatically lock Yeah. varying times or whatever, like you said, that's how you deal with it now. >> Yeah, we put a we put a mechanical actuator and a timer in this mechanical space. >> And so the parks commission will set that timer for when they want this thing to close and not close. There's always a
panic bar on the back of the door. I I guess my biggest worry and like for Kevin is like will someone destro like you know there's a lot of vandalism and stuff so like that's my biggest worry for this. >> I'm not going to lie it happens. We you know right down the street from where I
am right now they it didn't shut. It malfunctioned the timer didn't and the kids got into it and they tore all the partitions down. So, >> um, it's definitely something. >> Do you have any gonna say like is there any like retribution to this for like
the people that are >> in in that particular case, the parks had cameras and the kid was silly enough to be parked in the parking lot the very next day as the town supervisor was there inspecting the damage. And so, as he was walking out of the parking lot, he said, "Hey, that's the plate that was here." And he went and found the kid and
the kid ended up paying for the damages. So yes, cameras can help with that situation, but >> obviously there's a whole like pain problem of now the parks commission is dealing with these >> partitions that got taken down. They're going to front the money for it because
they want it fixed right away for the community and then you've got to go chase the the you know there's legal aspects that have to chase down that money to get back. So yes, there's it's not oh we have a camera, we caught you, you pay for it. It's not painless, I'd say.
Yeah. >> Um, so all that being said is, you know, I we'll show it. We're so early on in this process, like if you were going to actually do a design, you know, we'll get more into those little details about panic bars and yeah, >> whether you do it or not. I mean, I
think it's a big expense, right? And my I would worry about like uh vandalism stuff, but >> yeah, I put this in the same category. There's no harm in putting it on, >> right? and and and you can always be, you know, can always be ve. But I do think I do
like the pavilion idea like having a covered space that's open air that like people can just like hang out with like benches or whatever. Like and >> you know, I could see major use of that if families were coming to watch games or you want to have a picnic or
whatever. I could see that as a nice amenity. Okay. We will put it on the plans and include it in our cost estimating and um go from there. >> And then and then you have like you're including lighting on this plan, right?
>> Athletic field lighting. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Well, and I would think other park lighting as well, probably. >> So, that's a good question. We're not currently not showing other athletic field lighting. we could just show like
a a hold for some sight lighting and you know whether it's bothered lighting there might be a couple of parking lot lights to make sure people can >> yeah to get to their cars and stuff like that >> right >> we'll add a note >> so basically you have the three fields
new parking playground >> pavilion court >> pickle ball court now >> and a new entrance out of the Neoponit Valley to help with a traffic circulation issue Oh, you created that new one. >> So that that may be that's a whole
another challenge because now that land Ryan is actually uh Fuller Village's parking lot, right? So >> it's not. So I think there's another here's another hurdle, right? I I it's not I'm
not saying that we couldn't do it, but there's another hurdle that we'd have to like cross. >> And what are we? Sorry, I can't read. >> Do we absolutely need that? >> What is that? >> So, the whole idea was during one of the public feedback sessions we got was that when traffic goes to leave,
>> this becomes a real pinch point for traffic because we're having parking lot here, parking lot here, and everybody's trying to exit in one spot. And so the request from the public was could we consider an exit that allowed this parking lot to go this way and these folks to leave out of this way so we weren't like pinching down on each
other. Um and so we put it on the plan uh as like an option. we probably should like maybe dash it and look at as an option and as it gets to like a design phase if if someone was willing to take that on and talk to talk to Fuller
Village about it then we can potentially use that space for that but maybe not put it as like >> Yeah. Yeah. I would leave it on it. I'm just pointing it out. It's another hurdle which is already one hurdle big hurdle there. Um I I think um back to like Stephen's point, right?
Like I think the whole point of this study I would say Ryan that we present the study how you how you thought about it, right? Like if the only way to really get there with the fields that we have are with two synthetic curve fields, one being lower and one being
another place, right? The challenge to this one of course is the the getting the regulate, you know, getting it under the park commission and everything else >> and the deed restrictions >> and the deed restrictions and everything else. So I think that's fine to to like wrap this up and just say, you know,
you're this is a consultant study, right? And that's how we get there or we need to find other land in town, right? To to make up the deficit. >> Rob, did I misunderstand our conversation the other day? I was assuming that the deed restriction was
because it was under conservation control. Is there? >> Yes, that's correct. >> Okay. Okay. There's not a separate deed restriction because there's something else here. >> Conservation control. The deed restriction still applies. >> No, it's
a whole point to swap in. >> Okay. >> If that's the case, we we we just tell Ryan to stop right now. >> I know. Well, that's what I thought was that's what I thought was if >> that the legal route is that's how you have to do it.
>> Okay. >> That's why I asked the question. I was like, "Oh god, if there's another restriction on top of this, we're >> no really battling up a hill. >> Okay. Okay. Then based on the board's just give us another week, I guess, to wrap
that up and we'll get these pieces incorporated into it." >> I mean, as long as you guys agree, like I I think >> Yeah. I I I think I >> I think we got to present something. So, >> well, yeah, and I and I would want to go to the select board, right, to just present the evidence, Ryan, that says like this is how we would get to where
we would be, right? But it starts a conversation, right? And I would just leave it as like, okay, this is a multi-purpose field here. >> Do you want me to change the color of it, Rob? Like, do you want >> That's what I was thinking. I was actually thinking, can you just make them all all the same green?
But we can so just so that we're not saying okay this is what's going to happen but in order to make up this deficit this is how you would have to go. >> We have to at least present it that way. >> Okay. >> All right.
So do you think I guess so like what's the next steps on this? you you'll make these changes and then are you going to wrap up your report >> and we're going to send a draft to the parks commission uh by the end of next week >> and then I guess the other thing was is
are we were we going to have a community meeting or something? I think I I mean I think we should start there to present what this perform >> start Yeah. Start Start with the community. Have you guys present there? I guess whether you wanted to do it in person or remote, Ryan, you could.
>> We can we can come out. >> Um and then and then we should I was thinking do you think we can get a meeting for the select board at some point in July? Maybe it's like the end of July, like their second their second meeting in July or
something. >> We can just arrange that with you. >> My ask is that we do uh if we're going to do a community meeting or either of these meetings, the select board or the community meeting that we have them in July or August.
My wife is due in September or end of August. And so I'm probably going to be on leave for September. And so Okay. Yeah, we would definitely do it like wrap it all up in July. I would prefer to get it done in July, Ryan. To be
honest, like I'll be on vacation two weeks in August and I think a lot of people are on vacation. So, >> we had a good turnout when we did our first community meeting was >> I would agree. Would we do it same space?
>> Yeah, >> potentially. So, which would we do first though? select board or community. >> You should do the community first so that then when we go to select work, you can say we've done this, we present it to the community, we got some feedback to hear what people say.
>> Do you from a cost perspective? Uh that's all those these meetings are all under the original contract cost, right? I mean, we don't have to do any more additional amendments or anything. >> I'm not sure about that, Bonnie. Let me go back and look.
I'll make sure we're all set. >> I want to check our budget and where we're at. The whole thing has kind of gone on longer than I think we originally thought it would be. And let me check. If we can make it happen, we'll make it happen. Bonnie, >> great. Thank you. >> Great. >> All right. Ryan, do you think you can be
here for the select? I think it would be more important to have you here for the select board, but if you could be here for both, I think it would be great. Bonnie, the we had funding for CPC, right, for this that was that was a lot more than what what we had in the
contract. >> 1,931 extreme. >> That's it. >> Cuz we paid out 42 point of the 44 that was the original, right?
>> Um and then the additional was the 65 as a contract, right? Um, so I could I could give you the breakdown. I mean, we we have the additional >> That's what >> that's what that's what I'm asking. That's under the the additional that we just did the amendment for, just to make sure if we do additional meetings, we
don't need more amendments. So, we already signed off the additional to cover the full cost of the contract, >> right? So, Ryan, I think take a look at it, Ryan. If you can make it happen, make it happen. But I also, if you can be here, I would rather have you here. And if we can get funding for you, then
do it. I remember there was a set aside CPC money and it was way it was more than the whatever your budget was. >> Yeah. I'll give you the whole breakdown that way you know we can make sure we're all talking about the same thing. >> Okay. >> But I I like the fact that we're talking
about finishing this and and being in July. Um I'd hate to I'd hate for you to come twice, Ryan, if you didn't have to. U so let's just think about that. Um you know I don't know if I you know I don't know when do they
typically meet? Wednesdays. >> I think Wednesday is every other meeting. >> Tuesdays. >> Would it be possible like could you possibly come out like >> like two like in where you just come out once and you have to go back and forth like we could do amazing.
>> I've got four other things in construction around you right now. >> So out there >> not for the World Cup but we've got a lot of stuff going on out there. So, I'll I'll um I'll probably just tag this up with another project. And so, I'll go out during the day for construction observation.
>> But what I was thinking, Ryan, was to have both meetings like back to back. >> Community meeting on a Monday night, select board meeting on >> Tuesday or whatever, right? >> Come back to Milton. >> You know what I mean? And then and then could you couple that so you weren't
traveling all the time? >> Would probably be easier from my standpoint, too, because I might be We'll just have to think about that. Yeah, we'll have to look at the calendar. >> The only downside to that, guys, if the community brought a point up that we thought was worth incorporating. >> True.
>> You don't get it. So, >> true. >> You could present it. >> We'll look at our schedules, Ryan. Try to wrap it up and then I'll at least get you back dates to figure out. I mean, those dates are set. The select
board dates are set. So, and I think they meet on Wednesdays, but I can move on. I think it's Wednesday nights or is it Tuesday? >> It's Tuesdays now. I think of that. >> So, we'll make a request to go to select board. Rob, you'll take care of that piece in July and we'll back into a
community meeting after that. >> Well, then so then we're also going to have to try to get community space, right? So, if we the fire that's like really popular now, right? Right. >> Is it hard? Is it hard to get that space? It's hard to get that space >> even in the zone. >> I don't know. I'll have to ask. Okay.
So, that's a new thing. So, >> yeah. >> So, that would probably be option one. And then I mean council on aging, council aging or the library, >> right? I mean, because the school, which probably won't be a factor in the summer, uses the space now. Obviously, select board uses the space, you know,
health department. So, >> what do we think for I'm just going to I'm looking at dates. What about like the ninth? Oh, do we think like a what's a better night for people, do you think? I
>> mean, I would say the third week of July just cuz people might be taking Fourth of July that like the 8th, 9th. That weekend is >> It can't be a Wednesday. >> Yeah. >> I was thinking like a What about like a Thursday night?
>> I would have to be the fourth week in July. Sorry guys. >> So, the 23rd. Is that the fourth one? >> Um, >> yeah, that probably works. Yes. >> So, why don't we try to shoot for the
23rd, but then >> for I don't know when we would >> then we're into the August for select board. >> What if we What if we shot for July 30th? Was that better for you, Ryan, or not? I
think it's either the 23rd or the 30th. Either of those work for me. >> Okay. So, Bonnie, can we look at those three dates? >> Yeah. For either space COA or obviously we'll look at the firehouse. >> Yeah. I may be on a coming back on a
cruise, but I should be here on the 23rd. >> Maybe you're around those two dates. >> Yeah, just go with it. >> Just just keep going. >> So then and maybe then in a early August then we are going to have to go into August.
Right. This is going to be the challenge. >> Um maybe it's a week after like that first week in August. Ryan, >> if that's available, that's perfect. Or
if that's when the when the time meeting would be that works. >> I think that's going to be the only like the fourth. >> So we'd want to see the select board schedule if they're meeting. Yeah. >> On the fourth or fourth. Yeah.
>> I mean, and if not, maybe they will consider scheduling a meeting so we can have with us, >> right? >> Put it on their radar. All right. So, Rob, you're going to coordinate with Bonnie on that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If Bonnie, you can just see what's
available for the 23rd or 30th and then I can reach out to the select or I'll look up Yeah. there. instead of request. >> Yeah, I can talk to Lynn also. >> Okay, cool. >> Thank you, Brian. >> Thank you. >> Of course, guys. You guys have a great day. >> Thanks for being here today.
>> No problem. >> Thank you. >> Bye, guys. >> Um, all right. Great. Thanks for doing that, Rob. Um so the next item on the agenda is the pilot payment in lie of taxes committee. So I had reached out to
um Nick Milano and just said I thought a park commissioner should be added to that committee because obviously the field space that academy college have you know
would be a payment in lie of taxes in some ways if we're able to use those fields. So um he agreed the select board voted to allow that. So um so we now need to vote on who will be appointed to
that board which I would be happy to do. >> You what? Oh yeah, I'll second it. So those in favor you're there. All in favor? >> Yes.
>> You can't you can't vote for yourself. >> Oh, you can't. >> No. >> Um, okay. Great. >> So, you're motioning >> to Steve motion. I second. >> I just want to make sure I got that right.
>> Done. >> Right. Great. So, lower dial turf project. I know we've kind of touched on it. >> Yeah. >> Um, you know, I I don't really know how and when executive session can or can't
be used. >> You can't use an executive session at all. Our parks commission, according to what I heard. >> Okay. Um All right. So, I think obviously we're still waiting to hear back from the
state. Um, you know, I I just don't want to see this in a hamster wheel for going on and on. >> Me neither. >> So, I think um
let's see what the state comes back with. Obviously, if they approve this, then, you know, I think it's worth having a conversation um with the NA people and just see if we can try to come to some sort of resolution.
>> I I guess >> it might not go anywhere, but >> yeah, I I guess the question is is from like our standpoint, right? like like you could have that conversation or I could have that one of us could have a conversation if we absolutely don't know
where or we can do it in public session, right? Which what I will say is I don't I'm I'm probably the oldest member now and I was part of the process, right? Like so none the three of us don't have any of the history as the board does, right, with this project. Yes, we were
engaged with the project, but I don't think we were shrewd about the process and how it went through. Um, so that I just think, you know, is it worth a shot or is it right now our hands are tied to like just talk with them and a
they might not even want to do it because it's like through with, you know, it's in it's in legal now. But is it worth, you know, >> and what do you think you're going to get from talking with them? >> You never know. >> You know, >> you never know. You never know. Like,
listen, I would love to just say, are what what do we uh >> are you guys going to appeal this in 30 days? What's the end goal? >> Okay, >> that that that's my that's my feeling is is like to talk to them. I I really would love to know like what's the end goal for you guys, right? Like at the
end of the day, I would love to say too that we now done all this. I you know did did they did they did these folks also engage in this master planning process and understand how much of a lack of field space that we have right so I want to at least be able to like
have a discussion with them to to let them know what we've done to date and where we have a deficit and what that project means to our deficit right and that's when I think okay this is a discussion would I be willing to say hey will you let this one go through and if
if we if we were to grass and we can make improvements here. At least helps us get to somewhere. There's always something negotiate with folks that I think it's worth having a conversation is all I'm going to say, right? At the end of the day, you never know or we're going to be in the continuous answer and
which like listen maybe that's that that is a good possibility like these guys know that no one's budging anything. But I will tell you, I would absolutely expect them to appeal this in 30 days. Why wouldn't they not? They've already done it. So here we go again, right? And
so like you when you have parents asking you every week, is this project going through? I said, "Yeah, it's going to go through. We're going to go out to bid." It's not. It's it's going to be probably another year that we're going to continue to wave. Right. So I think so I think Karen I think it's worth like
reaching out to them and if they would be willing to come to like this board again we'd be willing to at least I would be willing to like update them where we are with this and then say like just have a conversation like you know what's what's the end goal right
>> and if we can make that happen great if not and they don't want to then it's at least worth reaching out to >> right yeah I mean is your understanding that the state rules they have an opportunity to appeal
again. The state's going to make another ruling like at any appeals that the appeals end. >> It's going to go like the only next possible step would be it goes to the superior court. >> And so then the superior court rules on
this and then it's done. But we know how the legal system works. >> Okay. Um I think about that. Um CPC project updates.
>> Um I wasn't at the the first one. I know it was last week and I think we present Monday. >> Yes. So, as you guys know, we we have the Andrews Field project that's in. >> I put in one quick application for
softball and when we were down there, we were looking at the um >> there's the cage that's CPC funded, right? And then that includes the steps that we did last year. >> And then those the softball board, which I'm no longer on, but those guys were like, "Listen, we really want to like
study putting some kind of bleachers around the around the field." And I said, "Okay, well then maybe you guys should like plan for this while you're doing the the the cage and everything else that's around there." So we put in an application with Bill Madden who's
who's doing that work to say, "Can you do this like the design work for this to look at it?" So that we put that application in. It was quick. I I don't I forget what the price of what the cost was or whatever. It was definitely under >> 40
>> 40 maybe. But because they need the they also need a survey >> for like the work that they're doing now. They need a survey and stuff to get that work. So I believe that works also included in the >> in this. So we put it in. >> Yeah.
>> What I will say all CPC projects there's $6 million worth of CPC. >> That was going to be my next question is >> so any anybody in the pool >> and the funding is >> it's it's over a million. It depends on state funding
and >> do they do partial fundings? >> Yeah. So I think when but like the first year when when we set it up that was the reason why I had pushed for this two-step process to have the eligibility application. So once we put in the
eligibility application now we can say okay well here you have 6 million now we only have 1 million. What can we do guys right to like v your projects or like a little bit. So like technically CPC could say, "All right, we're going to give this softball project 20K this
year." >> Yeah. Or whatever. >> And then we could reapply for the the remainder the following year. >> Any any project, right? >> So like this project, you know, this is the the Tucker project. You know, I told these women, I go, "This this is a I love the project, but it's it's $300,000
plus I didn't realize we already gave them, by the way, hundred something,000 for all they do work. So that's 400,000 from CPC. So um yeah, so you basically you you you barter with folks, but you got to be careful because guess what?
Partial funding all these projects, if you don't get projects that finish, it's not really that good either, >> right? But then that funding would kick back to CPC. So like let's say they partially CPC partially funds a project. They give
them 20K. Mhm. >> They have a timeline that they have to complete a project. >> Mhm. >> If they don't complete that project, >> the money gets kicked back to CPC. >> It does. But I don't >> So far that hasn't happened because it's so new. >> We We have What I will say is that's why
I put in for the planning for the park. It's like, okay, here's a little bit of C money so you could do some work and continue the project going and then fund the project. So that's happened successfully over the years. Beverly Park Playground's one of them. It went through three rounds of CBC funding.
Okay. >> Right. Then we did the design work. They did it and then they went they asked for some money. They held it and then they came back last year and then we finally funded it all. So Tucker may go through a similar, >> you know.
>> But yeah, I mean it's all got submitted. >> We did submit. Yes. Are you on the 22nd? >> July 6th. So, so I think so it's baseball, softball,
soccer obviously with with Andrews. >> Is that is that all the correct? >> So at some point we'll we'll uh we'll have to make uh well actually we should find out when is the funding application due. Is it September?
>> September. Yeah. I don't know the date. >> I don't know exactly but it is September. >> That's going to come quick. It always sneaks up in your butt. >> Uh the Rob the 22nd I may have a Babe Ruth championship baseball game. >> Okay. >> Nice.
>> I don't know. >> Don't drink that. >> So there's a good chance that my games Monday night. So >> if you if you if you know if you're there, great. If not, then I'll just let you know. >> I'll literally I don't I'm not even going to present anything. Just going to
say this is the cost and whatever. Yeah. Um, all right. So, yeah, I got to get that September deadline. So, before then, we should um we should get uh approvals for your
baseball, softball, and the turf. Well, obviously, we put forth the turf field, so we don't need to do that one. But for the other two, we would have to put a letter of support. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Who usually drives that? >> Bonnie usually, but yeah, we would have to Kevin. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> Um, so that'll happen probably. We should put that on our agenda for next meeting. >> What exactly? Say that again. >> The support. >> Support letters. >> Support letters for CPC >> and for >> which we're here anyway.
>> Tucker. Oh, and well, yeah, Tucker. We've already approved it tonight. >> Right. So, that's awesome. So, that one said, >> um, also on CPC, they're going to start excavation next week on Pebble. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, I will say, you remember the woman who was a
neighbor who was here a while back, whatever. She reached out to me and asked me like where the plans are or whatever. I haven't I think the only person that has it. I couldn't find it. I Googled it this morning. >> I think Bill Madden must have them. >> Bill does,
>> right? I can I can give them to her. I don't know why. >> It'd be nice if we could Can can Bill send those to Bonnie? We can put them on a website. >> Yeah, I know. It would be nice. >> Well, it's it's under conservation commission.
>> It's under the conservation commission that land. >> So, it's not technically our project, I believe. Again, here's something that like >> something that >> I have no idea. >> One day you believe it, it's yours. sound
>> cuz we just promote it, you know, like we would care for it, right? That was the extent of it. >> Well, I I think it would be nice to have on the Park and Back website. >> Who who does who does um >> is it on the uh would it be under
conservation commission? I think remember in a town meeting they they it was conservation land, but we said we voted to for the school swap that we got that parcel. So, is that parks? >> It's parks. >> Okay. So, then we should put I think we should
>> let me reach out for now. Yeah. >> You know, I I think I know things. >> I actually asked this question the other day to Kevin too. We were talking about about our letters. >> I'm under the assumption that conservation had put out a budget letters originally letting them know the
neighborhood know about the project. So, I just want to make sure that there's some type of communication that obviously neighbors are aware um of what's taking place. I know some neighbors are aware about the fundraising, you know, that it's actually they see the flags and they see things
>> that's it >> coned off now. So, >> um I haven't been part of that conversation whether it was put out to about all that information. So, I'm not sure who I need to I assume maybe Nick I need to ask or conservation cuz I mean
I'm assuming this that took place before the swapping took place. >> Well, that's with um Jackie and J and um >> yeah, >> Lisa. >> So maybe we can check with them. >> I feel like that region they live right there >> place right
>> in that neighborhood. I had people like reaching out to me, you know, like I go, you know, >> now will the the um will they put up a like a, you know, a big billboard of a construction company doing it? Will they put up kind of like a big billboard to say this is what's going in?
>> I don't know if that's part of the uh scope of the work there by putting like a rendition of what's going to look like. >> Do you guys know al like once you're putting that in, does that have to be like fenced off or anything? >> Yeah. So, we're going to have u the >> the environmental barrier all around it.
Okay. >> Um because it's b it's up against the 100 foot buffer of conservation. Okay. >> And then they'll have to do temporary fencing for safety or whatever. We should get it done there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I have one I have one in the office. So, as soon as they're done with
the excavation, >> I'll put it down there. Awesome. Of course. >> Great. >> All right. So, you're going to get reach out to They'll see >> to Bonnie. >> Yeah. >> And >> you guys don't have it. You guys don't have it on your like the plans for it.
>> No, >> we've had different renditions. I don't I don't know. >> I want the vinyl. >> I don't want to put something up that has been changed. >> Right. >> I'll reach out to them. >> All right. Anything else with CPC?
>> Good. Think so. >> Manager's report. >> Yeah, I'll go because I got to meet Paul Thunder. >> Yep. >> Um, so we're just prepping now for the summer in the sports clinics for the summer. So we start June 29th with all
the summer programs. Uh, so that's moving along. I'll be down at the greenhouse at Cunningham. Yesterday I was there and today uh just to clean up the house starts the 29th. >> The 29th. Yes. >> Um >> I remember when my kids were in >> So
>> they loved it. It's a lot. It's good. >> Gary's got some work going on up there, but hopefully >> he's doing that entrance. >> Yeah. >> Let's just go like this. It's >> before we start, but we'll work around it as we always do. >> Um I know I apologize. I wasn't here the
last meeting or two, but um the volleyball clinic went well. >> Great. >> Um so he wants to run another one. He got a lot of great input. We did too. So, he wants to do another one in August, but I'll deal with that and see if he thinks he can work it out at put
the schools. Um, it'll be hot, so I don't know. But I said the same thing about when he started it if it was going to take any get any legs and it did. Took some traction. So, it's something that hopefully we can continue doing with um >> kids love. >> Yeah, they love it.
>> Pretty much organized. We're just doing the >> That's it. We do all the administration. Yes. We put a high school kid up there just to check kids in. Other than that, it's him and it's always has to replace. >> That's great. >> So, it it went great. I'm glad. I'm glad because again, more programs if they
work. Um, great. Um, Lamar Reic summer clinic starts on the 29th. That's the oneweek clinic he runs 9 to three at the fieldhouse. Um, and then he's got two sessions left in his Sunday night spring clinic that he's been running uh for the
next two Sundays. And the adult tennis ended last night. So, we're in good shape. Just like I said, summer's a lot, but >> yeah, I was just going to say >> we're getting done. >> I'm not going to put you on the spot right now, but maybe at our next meeting, you can list out like all the programs I have them all that we're
doing this summer. Just go. >> Absolutely. >> I think it's important for people to know. >> Sure. >> That's great. And pretty much everything is sold out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The junior wildat, which is ages four to six, we picked up some traction there.
>> Yeah. I think the only thing is softball that's not >> Yeah, softball probably won't. And it's again, you just try it. You put it out there. Yeah. >> If it gets traction, it does. If not, you just don't run it. So, I think I've only got five or six. There's the guy. I got to go. >> Um I just have to meet Paul Kelly for all our shirts. He's outside.
>> But, um All right. >> Awesome. Thanks, Paul. >> You're welcome. >> You're welcome. >> You good with him? >> I'm good. Yeah. I'm going to go down and move all the shirts into the truck. All right. >> Yeah. I know. >> Yeah. Um, so we just finished uh spring. You
guys have wrapped up, right? You're all >> spring is wrapped up. >> Um, >> we actually, and you probably know this, you start tonight. >> Oh, yeah. Summer golf. >> Mary C and Andrew's back. Um, so summer program has started for baseball and softball. Uh,
>> I thought the spring went fairly well. We didn't have that much rain, >> actually. Very little. It was and quite good. >> Yeah, it kind of started off >> it was cold the whole time and really wet in the sense of mystical, but we never lost Gage because of the >> but the softball field of Kelly I
thought was a huge success >> with the stone dust. >> Absolutely >> awesome. >> Made a huge difference. >> Oh yeah, it was great. You know, took a while. Um but it's >> the end result it's >> that's great. >> It looks nice. I mean, >> it really does
>> and everything. >> And that's really all I have right now, guys, for me, >> right? >> And fields are all good. And >> yeah, we're going to do be doing work all summer to the soccer fields trying to put band-aids on them as we normally
do. >> Um, >> the worn out patches from where the goalie stands at all the time, we'll be putting >> trying to grow grass there. Yeah, >> it's tough to grow grass during the summer. >> Yeah, >> but we do have variation. >> Starting to get we can start seeing the
lawn feel yellow now, brown, >> but >> we need rain. >> We we do attempt it and it the summer is good. Um like Milton Academy, they completely rest their fields. >> We try to. >> Yeah, that's good luck. >> It's right.
>> It's hard. You can't police it. And but they're definitely getting arrest. >> Yeah. >> From their normal in >> Yeah. which is tough though >> and so they'll look good the beginning of the fall and >> right we'll see what happens. We need to we should pick out our next next
meetings. >> Um and also on the new business I just want to mention um that Lynn put on my radar uh too late because we had already posted the meeting but uh Ted Carol was on the warf committee before. So next meeting we're going to need to appoint
somebody to the landing committee. Okay. So >> the new guy with the new guy >> you love you like you like water. >> All right, that's great.
Um, anything else? New business? >> I see a question about business. >> I don't think so. Uh, I don't. Um, all right. So, do we want to try and figure out our next meeting
>> or or here's here's the thing. Do we do we hold off because we have two meetings coming up for the July and August? And and then I guess my other question would be is the August at the select
board. Is that our whole board meeting with the board? I think we should >> I think we should >> I think it should be the whole board. It be a collected parts with the blackboard and then we'll be all there for the community meeting. >> So maybe we don't
>> I what I'm going to suggest is like we meet again in September if that's okay and then have these two other meetings. >> All right. Well, we have to appoint someone to the warf. >> We could do that now. >> Oh, we can't. >> Yeah. Well, can we just put it
>> I don't think it's like right this >> Yeah, maybe you can wait till >> Yeah, putting it on the radar for for the next agenda whenever that >> is Is the select board asking you guys to come in or you're just >> We're choosing to go to them.
>> I I just didn't know if they asked. That's >> Yeah. Yeah. I think at one point I wanted to present at kind of meeting the the planning, but now this is like to present with Yeah. to kind of let them know where we're at. >> Um
>> All right. So, I mean, I guess >> we're hoping to do a community meeting the 23rd or the 30th. >> Yeah. >> And then we're hoping to meet with the select board on the 4th or 5th. We could we could live if you wanted to.
>> Um I mean I almost would say tenatively not tenatively. Let's just commit if you were going to put it in. >> Well, >> actually I I I don't know if you're going here, but whatever day we do the >> right >> community meeting. Yeah. Do it on that.
>> Do it the same day. >> Yeah. That's what you're going with. Okay. I get it. Cuz that's not a problem, right? Bonnie, but we did that. >> Couldn't Couldn't we just split like something on the agenda for the community meeting like two two points or something? >> Yeah. >> Couldn't you you'd start like a half
hour early? >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Start like half an hour early. >> Say the meeting is at 6. You meet at 5:30 and you do your >> whatever we have to get done and then start the meeting. >> Perfect.
Um, all right. >> I actually think July 30th would be better if that works for folks. Just I'm worried about getting that third one. >> But maybe if we see if July 30th is the
>> July 30th then >> then we'll look at the other. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Great. >> Supposed to be on a cruise. >> Yeah. >> But I'm working. >> This is more important. I'm but I'm but I'm working the >> Okay. All right. That's what the motion
to adjurnn. >> Yes. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I