Good evening everybody. Hello. Can you all hear me? Marian? >> Yes. Hello, Marina. >> Hi. Uh, just give me a couple of minutes. I'm going to add uh some folks. >> Okay. >> Here.
>> Do you want the video on, Marina, or how do we want to roll? >> Um, I'm trying to get my own video on, but as you can see, it shows me as a black screen. Let me >> um Oh, there it is.
>> And I played around so much with it that um I am >> You're upside down and blurred. There we are. >> Yeah. I don't know how to on
upside down myself. Um, just give me one second. Let me see if I can. I'm promoting some folks as panelists. So, give me one second. Anyone else from our group?
Um, let me see if I see Jack Calabro. I see Steve. I'll promote him to a panelist. I promoted you. Yeah, there you go.
Um, there's one person with their raised hands. Um, Brian, I don't think Brian is in the group, is he? Nope.
Anyone else that needs to be promoted to a panelist? All right. So, let me just double check check that we have a quorum before we start. I believe we do.
Um I am waiting for Liz. Elizabeth, >> I'm here. >> Oh. Oh, I do see you now. Thank you. Uh, for those of you that don't know, Liz Manning is our new uh, planning
director. She started her role earlier this month and uh, will be now joining the traffic uh, commission um, as a city member on the commission. So, welcome Liz.
>> And thank you, Marina. We also have um Justin uh Curus. For those of you that don't know him, he's a consultant, a traffic engineer, and an expert that the board has asked to join
us at the meetings. Um, we have Chief uh from the police department, Sergeant Erns from the police department, uh, resident member Marian Triskin
Driscoll, as well as Steve Gyster. Um, I believe that the members that are currently missing are Mr. Jack Calabro from the DPW, our wire inspector.
as well as um fire department chief uh chief uh Madden. So, thank you all members of the public and members of um this commission. Uh with that all being said, I I'll call call this
meeting to order at 6:40 a.m. Today is Wednesday, October 29. This is the traffic commission uh meeting. I I apologize. I'm going to not have the video because I don't think you guys want to see me upside down. So, I
apologize. And And what was happening is I was trying to uh fix the viewer um pri prior to me entering uh the room. So, we will get right to the agenda. I see
two folks with their hands up. Um but we will leave uh comments to the end. Um is is that right folks? And there will be a a point
for folks to um comment um towards the end and there will be um also we we will open for discussions uh after each uh agenda item is noted. So with that, we
will start with the Randolph Avenue Road Diet Pilot Program and the request for monitoring on the Spafford, Buckingham, Martin, and Clifton Road. Um, this was
brought up to us by a resident. Uh, I did see him. I believe it's Mr. Travis Gregory. Um, I will have him allowed to talk. Mr. Gregory, would you like to um
make an introduction to this agenda item or would you like me to share screen and and kind of bring up everyone to speed? It's up to you. >> Um, hi everyone. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yes. >> Thank you. happy to have you do it or I
can give some context and background to why um I brought this to your attention. It's totally up to you. I'm not sure of how what the um procedure is on on one of these commissions. Um I haven't been to one before and just used to what goes
on at the planning or the select board meetings. >> Yes. No. Uh if you want to start the discussion and then I will try to bring up a map uh that can be shown in the background um to help folks. Okay, great. So, go ahead. >> Yeah. Yeah, sure. >> Um, so thank you all for having us
today. Um, why I brought this up was um, we've seen some uh, impacts that I thought would be uh, quite helpful for everyone to understand as the um, Randolph A project has gone
underway. If you don't know where Clifton Road is, um, we run parallel with Randolph A. And if you're coming um from Cunningham Elementary down Pleasant Street and if you cross over Randolph AB where the first road on the left uh there's four ladder streets there before
the hospital and so Clifton Road is the first one on the left. Um, and I am uh been here for uh 13 years. Uh, and and I want to say I really applaud the state for what they're doing they have done or
looking at in Randolph F. Being here for 13 years, the accidents that are happening there, the speeding that is like 60 to 70 m an hour down the road. Um, it it was a really dangerous road. It was and and the stuff that has been happening and the things that they've done actually think are great. I drive
up and down the road consistently. I work from home. So, when I go in and out or I drive to sports, I think the road is is a lot safer. Um, but the the issue here with Clifton is now what we're seeing on the hours of
between 4 and 7, I would say, uh, since the day that it actually happened or the first within the first week is a massive increase in volume from 4 to 7. Um, and it seems like the issue is not everybody
trying to avoid it coming up Reedsdale going to Randolph, but the people trying to make a left from Pleasant onto Randolph because it happens in waves. So, we'll get waves of like 20 to 30 cars every two minutes. And if you have a if you if I'm allowed to share my
screen, I could show you a picture of what this afternoon looked like because uh we we took a picture and and I have never the 13 years that I've been here, I have never seen this volume of traffic on Clifton Road unless Randolph A was shut down for an accident and they had to and they were avoiding the
intersection. And so what happens is Clifton Road gets backlogged um like it's a traffic stop and these a lot of these cars are going up Clifton to make a left onto Highland to go down Highland and back onto uh uh Randolph A
skipping the intersection. Um and the the issue that we're having from the volume is there's a disregard for anyone living on the street. We up and down Clifton Road and you could see it's a fairly short road. There's over,
I counted, 22 children from the ages of uh these a couple just moved in next door with kids that go to carriage house, so under five to um high school. It's a it's a wide range. So, people are on the street up and down playing in
their driveways, walking their dogs, doing whatever they can do, especially in the afternoon when kids come home from school. And the disregard is what's really happening with this volume. No one no one cares. No one cares. And what we've seen is
that the the the the traffic that is coming through is not necessarily going over 30 miles an hour, but it's the 20 to 25 miles an hour, the disregard. regardless of how fast they're going, they're not
if if a child runs out into the street or a dog breaks loose or something happens at a very busy time Monday through Friday, it's going to be a problem. It's a problem. And I can I don't know how to uh share my screen if that's been
enabled, but I could show you what a picture looks like today where there's a woman walking up the street. There's cars coming both ways and I don't know what else to do. We went to the planning board and the select board. They said to go to the uh well, we first called the police and they had they had a traffic
sign on our street that did a lot of speed testing and obviously they kept on giving us feedback which was fantastic that the speeds weren't abnormal. Go to the planning board. Go to the planning board. They asked us to come to you guys. So that's how this all started. What we're really looking for is is some sort of relief to allow Clifton Road to
not be bombarded with traffic from 4 to 7. Uh, a lot of roads are say you can't enter it on Monday through Friday from 6:00 to 9 or 7 to 8 or um like I know you can't make a left onto Randolph A in front of carriage house. I'm not really sure what that road is. You can't make
what what what I would ask for and to be considered is some type of traffic mitigation where you can't enter the road Monday through Friday from 4 to 7, right? Um especially especially uh what concerns me is this traffic
doesn't care and we are a very populated road on Halloween and that's a Friday and that is one of the worst Thursdays and Fridays are the two worst days that we get it. Today was really bad because of the rain and I could show you what that would look like. But not only is do
am I asking for something long-term solution which is the a do not enter sign or can't make a left onto Highland sign at the top. Whatever you guys deem is appropriate and some tarp sort of presence to watch the signage to make sure that no one breaks it. But then
there's something I'm really concerned about Friday also. So it's it's it's good timing. I know you can't see my face, but that was that was my context. >> Gregory, I don't think I can make you uh uh share your screen. If if you'd like
to send uh those pictures over, we can um send it over to to the conservation to the to the commission. Um >> I'll send them to you, Marina. I have >> my email. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Um,
I do want to uh say, Mr. Gregory, that yes, you you brought this up to the planning board. The planning brought it up to us. Um, and we have I have emailed the the state. Uh, we did invite them to this
meeting. Uh, they're well well aware of the concerns. Um um and I did receive an email saying that they are monitoring and they are monitoring the situation and I have asked them for copies of um information about the data that has been
collected on um those those streets the four rubs. >> Yep. >> Um >> I'm just not sure what they're monitoring because I don't see anything. I'd like to open up for discussion. Uh so if any members of the commission
would like to speak first, Marina, I'll just say a couple of things. You know, I I have a concern of, you know, we're in a test phase on 28. So, you know, I'd be hesitant to ever develop a solution when you're in a test phase. Part of that test phase is for
them to evaluate the effects. So, that's a concern. I I always have a concern and everybody probably knows this on the time do not enters. Um, this isn't Clifton. I agree with Mr. Gregory. Clifton's an issue, but it it's not the
only issue. We're getting the same things from a lot of T uh streets. you know, Heather, Mark Lane, Forest, people going up Ridgewood, coming all the way over the Eager. I just don't think the solution is do not enter everyone out. You know, we looked at Spafford a while
back. We said no to Spafford. Spafford's in the same block. I feel like if you did one, you'd have to all four. How would the residents get into their own house? There is no resident exception under the law for that. So, I have a list of concerns that I certainly don't think the time is right, but that's just
me personally. Mr. Gregory, I did forget to ask you uh if you could I believe you you needed to tell us your uh address, please. >> Sure. 45 Clifton Road. >> Thank you.
Um, anyone else from the commission? Uh, we'll open up for uh the public. Um, is is that okay for us to open up for discussion from the public on this
topic? Um, I see a hand up. Uh, Mrs. Amy Morrison. I'm going to um allow you to speak. Go ahead.
>> Hi. Are you able to hear me? >> Thank you so much. >> Um thank you. >> Can you state your address? >> Sure. Uh my name is Amy Morrison. I live at 58 Clifton Road. Uh my husband Joe and I have lived here for 13 years. We have a 14-year-old
daughter and a 13-year-old son. Um, you know, love living in Milton. Um, thank you all again, you know, for your time this evening. I want to echo, um, Travis's concerns.
Um, we have noticed a tremendous negative impact related to the road diet project. Clifton Road has been a cutthrough since we have lived here and we have, you
know, tried to approach that in different ways over the years. Have not had a lot of success, but in general, you know, it's been a very safe street to raise our children. Um, I feel that our safety and our children's safety is now at risk. I understand this is a
pilot program and that there will be different points in time where feedback is collected. I just want to make sure that um you know that we're um representing the concerns that are happening you know just in this initial
phase and we'll continue to bring feedback to the appropriate channels as the project goes on. Um I want to thank uh the police um specifically Jordan Stain for it. I've been talking with him weekly over the past month and he's been very supportive. However, um you know,
my understanding from speaking with him is that um you know, the police can only enforce speed restrictions in the town and a volume is not something that the police can help us with. So, we emailed
um the road diet. Um I'm in touch with state representative Wells office as well. Um, and the the guidance has been, you know, definitely to advocate for ourselves throughout the town, which we'll continue to do. Um, I want to say
that um, as as Travis stated, 3 to 7:00 p.m. is a nightmare on Clifton Road. Now, um, I do not feel safe having my children in front of the house. You know, my son would play street hockey every afternoon
when he gets home from school. I no longer allow him to do that because I don't think it's safe. Um, about a week and a half ago, I was driving down Clifton Road. I pulled up in front of my own house and a someone cutting through stopped, pulled over next to me, rolled
down their window and, you know, began shouting at me. My daughter was in the car, my son is playing in my driveway. I I felt unsafe. This afternoon we have, you know, I know Travis is going to submit a a picture. Um, but we have
people just driving by us, beeping at us, stopping to swear at us. It's it's unsafe. You know, am I going to come out and find vandalism to my car? I'm concerned about that. Um, you know, I just want to paint a picture for you of
the impact that this is having as you continue to collect feedback during this project. Um, we now have delivery trucks, grocery delivery trucks, alcohol Bud Light trucks. These trucks are being routed,
I'm assuming, by some GPS to cut through. Um, and Clifton Road is not it is not a street that is meant for um, you know, delivery trucks to be passing through here. Um, and that there's traffic, you know, there's school buses
and now delivery trucks trying to get up and down the street as well. Um, I took a video last Friday, which I'm happy to also submit, um, for 20 minutes at 5:00 p.m. I counted more than 57 cars in less
than 20 minutes. Just to give you, you know, we're talking about Halloween on a Friday. That's very, very concerning. Um, and I didn't even make it to the end of the video. I should say that as I went back and counted. Um, I'd also like to bring your
attention while we're think, you know, just for forward thinking to the apartment building that is going up in the DPW yard. residents, trucks, fire trucks, whoever are coming out of that building if this
pilot continues will be directed south on Randolph A. The only way for them to turn around and head north is to turn up Reed Street, turn down Highland, and then they're going to come down Clifton Road because this is the only
way for them to get out of their apartment building and head north. I want I don't know how many units are slated there. I know that plan has changed. I've been I've attended town meetings about that for years as well. I'm not sure the scope of that project or when that is slated to be um
completed, but you know again forward thinking. Are we concerned for the safety of the residents? Are these decisions being made in a vacuum? what you know is anyone looking at the
big picture of these changes and I I com I wholeheartedly agree that Randolph A is an unsafe road. I would only drive in the right lane on that road. I would never drive in the left lane for fear of being hit headon during any hours of the
day. Um I don't I'm not an urban planner. I'm not a traffic expert. I I'm you know I'm not proposing to know what the solutions are but I think that we need to keep an open dialogue and I'm certainly hoping for the town's
collaboration as well as the states to really look at the impacts that this is having on the neighborhoods because um you know we have the opportunity now to look at this and prevent something bad from happening. Um, you know, I'm
hopeful that we could, you know, continue to, um, to examine this at at these meetings or whatever meetings the town deems are appropriate. But, um, I I hope that our concerns will be heard and I'm happy to, you know,
speak with anyone um, about, you know, what are next steps to to look at this as we continue along this pilot, which I believe is slated through the spring. Um, so again, you know, Amy Morrison, 58 Clifton Road, thank you again so much
for your time this evening. >> Thank you, Miss Morrison. Uh, thank you, uh, Travis, Miss Mr. Gregory. I am going to share Mr. Gregory's picture. It just came through on my email. Um, I believe it's a he stated it was a it was an a
picture of a a 3 to seven um, period. Did you say it was tonight? >> Yes. Is it that's this is generally right around 4:30. >> Okay. So, um
maybe somewhere between 4:30 and 5. I don't know. I was inside with the kids, so I just ran out to take a picture. >> I am going to I I see a hand up. Mr. Ryan Villard. Uh excuse my pronunciation.
I'm going to allow you to speak if you could state your address, please. Thank you. >> Hello. Can you hear me? All right. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh my name is Ryan Ard. I live at 688 Randolph A. Uh I am currently
looking out the window right now to um unbelievable traffic still at right now uh at this time of night. Um, my one concern that I have, you know, for you guys today amongst, you know, I have a lot of concerns about this project going
on, but my concern right now are these flex poles that are in front of my house. Um, I work in Canton. I have to take a left out of my driveway. Uh, I cannot do that. Um when we were finally told about this via um the masked dot
flyer that was sent to the house right before the lines were painted, I was told the only way I can go to work is go down to the set of lights at the 7-Eleven and in the middle of probably one of the busiest intersections in the whole town and take a Uturn
um safely. I feel like that's impossible. Um, on my return home from that uh from that area, if I was to come up Pleasant and take a left on Randolph A, I have to go down to Reed Street in the old dump
road and I have to take a U-turn, which is almost impossible in my small SUV. Um, it is almost impossible, if not more impossible, in my wife and my mother-in-law's truck and larger SUV. So my one concern is how did they pick
right here in front of uh you know between Pleasant Street and Reed Street? Why do we get the flex poles when the area between Ridgewood and up to Hilltop where a lot of the deadly accidents happen get a turning lane? Um if we
could get the same turning lane, I could come to accept this. Uh getting in and out of my house to go to work is nearly impossible. Um, if I was to come home now, uh, it would take me about an hour, uh, just to get up the road. Uh, I was
wondering if that could be, um, something that could be, you know, looked at. I know it's this project is, you know, a long process in a project, but I was wondering if myself and my neighbors that I've spoken to directly,
uh, if we could also get that turning lane. But I will uh I will mute and I will listen to what you guys have to say. Thank you for your time. >> So I'll take I'll take that uh response. Um so as all you all know this is a mass
DOT project. The town has been uh working to provide up input on that project. Um it is a it is a pilot project. Uh we have heard from other residents that have the same concern as you Mr. uh
they in with the attorney. We have been told that there are some uh crash records around that segment and the segment I'm speaking of may not necessarily be in front of your property but the the segment they speak of is
Reedsdale and um to the access road. Uh I have been at a conversation with Mass DOT uh where Chief Kaine um representatives of the select board as well as uh town administrator we all
raised this you know these concerns and we have uh urged Mass DOT to continue to take a look at that and provide solutions. Uh so it is a work in progress and u we will continue to we'll
be taking notes from this meeting and providing that as a feedback continue feedback to mass DOT as well that with that being said u the request uh the the question from Mrs. Morrison uh on the
also the uh number of units the the development that is happening at 711 Randolph and the fact that they could not turn left onto Randolph that has also been raised to mass DOT as has many other issues
that that haven't even been noted herein. Any any more anyone else from our commission that would like to speak? All right. So again, um in these notes providing that feedback to mass dot. Um
and with that I will move on to our second agenda item which we have is the request for reservation road traffic counter. Uh we did receive a memo from time bond. Um uh
we have Mr. Justin Kuritz. Um, and if it's okay with the commission, we will ask him to speak and summarize the his the memo that was presented uh to our commission and to the members of the public. So, Mr. Curitz, would would you
be able to provide us um information on that? >> Sure. I just shared my screen. Can everyone see that? Okay. Um so as Marine had mentioned um as part of the last traffic commission meeting um the town of Milton has asked
um time bond to conduct a traffic count out on reservation road. Um again this is held this is conducted between Brook Road and Walde Road. again trying to really hone in on the reservation road traffic um and really find a spot in the
area um on that street that we can um we can take account that will give us a good free flow speed as well as you know not having a stop and start from intersection. So, this was taken about 32 um reservation road, the address
there. Um there was a 48 hour ATR or automatic traffic counter uh automatic traffic recorder count. Um that's the tubes that go across the roadway. And what that does is that gives us um feedback on the volume that's out there,
the speeds that are out there, and also the classifications in terms of what types of vehicles are traversing the the street. So the first table here you'll see table one um I'm sorry just to clarify this was this was done for the 48 hour period um which is the in the
typical industry standard um time period. So that is a Tuesday um September 30th through Wednesday October 1st. So midnight on Tuesday to midnight on essentially Thursday of that next day. So a full 48 hour period. Um as we
see in table one looking at the average daily traffic. So, ADT, average daily traffic, meaning the entire traffic in one day. Um, we see about 750 vehicles are traversing along reservation road. Um, you'll see all the way, I'll just
just shoot to the right. Um, that last column there, directional distribution. So, that looks at what percentage of traffic is headed in each direction. So, with reservation road being a northbound southbound roadway, you'll see in the morning the A.M., So that that 7 to 9 uh
time frame and the PM the 4 to 6 p.m. um time frame u in that time in those two peak periods we're seeing approximately 90 to 95% of traffic um headed in the northbound direction. So again, typically in corridors, typically on on
roadways that are not residential neighborhoods, you'll generally see a a pairing of one heading northbound in the morning and then southbound in the afternoon or vice versa. In this case, there really is a true um directional
distribution favoring the northbound direction. Um with that said, in the morning we're seeing approximately 120 vehicles in that peak hour and 40 uh vehicles in the peak hour in the afternoon. Um so the K factor here when
we talk about percentage that is the daily traffic utilizing the roadway in the peak period. So when you look at that um what that tells us in the morning 16% of the total traffic at the along the uh along reservation road is using that roadway in the AM peak and
only five 5.3% are using it in the afternoon. Um looking into speeds. Um so table two here summarizes the speeds in the northbound and southbound direction. Again, as part of the um the statutory speed limit out here, there's not a dead
there's not a special speed regulation that is filed with the state. Um instead, it is it's based on the townwide 25 mph um thickly settled that was um under Mass General Law um chapter 90 subsection 17C. So that states that
the the roadway in these thickly settled areas um deals with the statutory speed limit of 25 miles hour. And as you'll see, we've collected two data points for northbound and southbound traffic. Um, an average speed, which is exactly what it means, the average speed you're seeing on the roadway, and then the 85th
percentile speed. And that's generally referred to as the operating speed on a roadway. Um, so that's, if you think about it, the 85th percentile is 85 85% of traffic are traveling at or below that um that range. And so as we see
here, the average speed both northbound and southbound is um 25 and 24 respectively for miles per hour. And then as you get to the 85th percentile speed or operating speed in the roadway, um we're seeing that at northbound 29 mph and southbound 28 mph. So again, the
townwide speed limit in that section is 25 mph and we're seeing that operating speed just just above that at 3 to 4 mph higher. Um, and then lastly, when we talk about classification, um, this is one where we're looking at
what percentage of truck traffic, that was one of the the comments that came out of last meeting, uh, the last traffic commission meeting, that there's heavy vehicles traveling down that tractor trailers. Um, and so looking at that full 48 hour period, um, there was
really in the southbound direction, as we see, there's not too much traffic in the southbound direction to begin with, but in that southbound direction, there was one truck counted in the entire four uh full 48 hour period. So, these are box trucks. These are your Amazon trucks, your semi uh semi-trailers, um,
and then massive semi semi-tractor trailers. Um, so one truck was counted there over the full 48 hour hour period southbound. Um, the northbound traffic varied varied pretty significantly from day to day. So on the first day that Tuesday, the entire 24-h hour period saw
an average of of 1.4% truck traffic. Um, so if we think about that on a typical day, we're seeing 750 vehicles. So again, that that that equates to, you know, seven and a half vehicles um that that we're seeing as trucks. Um in the
the second day on that Wednesday, we saw that drop down to 0.4. So less than 1% of trucks, 1 1% of the traffic on that roadway northbound are trucks. Um, and just to give you a total compared to what we talked about with one truck southbound for the entire 24 uh 48
hours, um, we saw a total of 13 northbound trucks over the entire 48 hour um, traffic count. So, relatively minor and low truck volumes for for a roadway of this um, of this size. I mean, we we can
see typically up to two to 5% of trucks on on a major collector, but where this is a res residential uh street, there is limited truck traffic utilizing that. Um, so with that being said, I would turn it to to back to you, Marina, for
any any discussion or questions from the commission or from from the public. Happy to answer them. >> Yes. Thank you, Justin. Um, I'll leave it open to the uh commission if you any members uh would you like to speak?
All right. Um, any members of um any of the public residents that would like to speak on this issue? All right. Don't see anybody. Um, so do you all uh the com as for our
commission, do you feel like we have enough information to make a vote uh on this? Okay, >> great. So the question is if we move forward with um
next steps for traffic um mitigation or if um this information is enough um and we feel like the the issue with the volume speed it doesn't render
um traffic calming at this time. So >> Marina, can I just clarify? Um, >> yes, please. >> Just I'm brand new, so I'm I'm just and I apologize if I ask something that that
everybody else is aware of. Um, so the request for the for the study was by folks in the neighborhood It was by residents on that street. >> Okay. Um and they've been given an
opportunity to to review the the data and there have they already had their say in the in the um in the review of the of the report? >> No, this report is being presented here in >> Okay. Okay. Just want to just want to
understand a little bit more clearly where we are in the process. Thank you. appreciate that >> this report was presented to our commission um when the agenda was posted. So, it's been 48 hours uh for
our commission and the public is being provided that information now. >> Very good. You you have your hands up. >> Yeah. So, we did have a number of citizens come in at the last meeting and voice their concerns about the amount of traffic and particularly the the track
truck traffic and the action was we were going to study it. So, I don't think we would be voting on anything tonight until we hear back from the citizens, right? I I don't I'm just trying to figure out the process. I believe that the yeah there is not
necessar the question is where do we go from here now that the data has been presented to us with the low percentage on traffic volume and the presented 85 85th
percentile speed. Um, we do have one person, um, Steph, uh, will allow you to speak. If you could please state your, uh, full name and, uh, address, please. >> Yeah. Hey, so this is, uh, this is
actually Mike Grandell at 40 Reservation Road. Hey, hey, everyone. Uh, >> Mike, uh, how do you spell your last name? Sorry. >> Yeah, Grand G R. So I I was the one that presented last time on >> Okay. Mike Randle. Got it. >> So
>> reservation. >> Yeah. What I'd say too. So yes, thank you for for the study, you know, that the timing when the the study took place I think was was interesting because it was right around the time with the the
Randolph V kind of changes, right? And what I'll what I'll say too I I this having seen this for the first time and candidly speaking on behalf of the neighbors without without actually consulting them which I'd like to to do after you know what I will say is post
Randolph a contrary to what some of the other neighbors neighborhoods may have been seeing there has been a reduction and especially truck volume too um as I I feel like they are now getting routed
appropriately back onto the highway. Uh however, what I will say is, you know, speeding and volume is still concerned like 750 cars is still still quite measurable, right? I think for for any residential road. So, you know, I think
I think given the opportunity to to review this, it would be great to kind of talk with neighbors and then come back uh and, you know, communicate with the board in the next meeting. That sounds good. I We will >> I can email you the PDF.
>> Great. >> Um and and then we'll hear back from you again. Our goal is to meet a little bit more frequently than we have in the past. I believe this commission was meeting every 3 months and now we we're
doing about every um six weeks. So if you whatever time you guys need to review this documentation. Okay. >> Okay. Sounds good. Thanks all. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. Uh let me
remove you from the group. Let me add that to our notes. uh residents will review memo and then you'll write back to us. You can email me. Okay,
great. So, I'll move on to item number four. Um it is uh we had residents from the Plymouth uh and Grafton streets request for uh traffic calming and for us to take a
look at that. Um I will Oh, Mr. Bill White, I believe uh you uh you'll be speaking on behalf of of the group, so I'll be allowing you to speak. If you can again, please. I'm
trying to take notes. Uh, you state your full name and address, please. Thank you very much. >> Hey, good evening everyone. Uh, can you hear me? All right. >> Yes. >> So, my name is Bill White. I live on 73
Plymouth A uh here in East Milton. Lived here for 25 years. I think there's a number of other folks that we came about 20 of us came to last meeting uh and you were very kind to let us uh touch base with you even though we weren't officially on the agenda. I know there's
a bunch of others that are here tonight virtually. So, I think um I don't know if everybody on the board has uh had a chance to see the communication between me and Liz and and Chief King, but in a nutshell, we've had uh you know, we've
had a long-standing uh cutthrough problem. Um uh because we're between Quinsey and Milton, and every time uh the traffic starts backing up on the expressway, all these damn apps uh send everybody through. So, at starting at 6:30, it really becomes an issue. We got
to like like others that you've heard tonight, you know, we got a lot of kids in the neighborhood. Um and so we've been kind of fired up about this issue. We had obviously new um natural gas installed. You know, the work that was done, they kind of ripped up our island
pretty good, which, you know, people are pretty disappointed by the the lack of uh fix there. And then they um and then they kind of repaved the road. You know, it had to settle and all that. We got that. And so just last week they repaved it. We were asking for you guys to as
they repaved it again. We were told that it was going to be fully repaved. Uh it wasn't. We've got kind of a half strip. Uh so it's rather ugly, but it is what it is. I think we've kind of retreated on that. But you know, we've now got a
kind of a a smoother surface. Um you guys were kind enough to bring in a uh an indicator, a speed indicator back in September, but now we've got like a different situation which we predicted. You know, we got a bit of a raceway coming from Quinsey into Milton, uh
heading heading kind of Plymouth A towards Edge Hill Road, uh heading north, um much like, you know, some of these other streets. So again, we're disappointed that um we were hoping for, you know, speed humps uh to be installed
as the new pavement was taking place, but again, we know there's different contracts and all that nonsense. So right now, um you know, we're we're basically seeing uh yeah, not only an increase in traffic, but an increase in
speed now that we have um new um you know, a a smoother pavement. So, um I think what we're uh been asking for is for you guys to do what you got to do. Uh collect the data that you got to
collect, but we're asking for um the same mitigation that was done on Governor's Road. We're asking for speed humps to be installed. Um we believe that uh there's excellent evidence. Uh Justin probably knows this better than
anybody, but you know the Institute of uh Transportation Engineering has done a number of studies that are basically showing that speed humps can reduce uh speed by 20 to 25%. That would make a huge difference in our neighborhood from
a safety perspective. Um, you know, I know, uh, you know, the fire chief has got some concerns there, but again, the the IT is looking at three to five second impact on a fire truck, which I think is rather rather minimal. We're
not a major um emergency route for uh fire uh to come through because again, we're a budding Quinzy and I think if the fire trucks were heading there, they'd have head a different direction. So again, we're we're rather, you know, I appreciate all of you guys. you you
know this is you know your after hours here Liz Manning I don't know how they dragged you into the most difficult uh most difficult board uh in Milton um because you've obviously just beginning to hear about it and I know we were all
at town meeting last night so working a lot of late nights but I think we're interested in working with you collaboratively but at the same time we're kind of frustrated and fired up uh like other neighborhoods so again uh we're concerned concern that you have
have collected data. Uh there's been a lot of talk of data for the last several months. Many people were were in front of you guys back in July talking about this issue. There's been talk about more data collection. There's been talk about, you know, an analyzing it, sharing it, but we we haven't really
received anything. And I think the world has changed a little bit with the new new clean surface, the new roadway, which I think kind of is changing the traffic. Um, I don't really want to ask you guys to collect more data, but if that's what you have to do in order to
make a decision, I mean, I think we can kind of bite our lip and be patient with that. But we've got a safety issue in our neighborhood, you know, much like Clifton, we got we got about 20 to 25 kids that are moving uh particularly at the same time that u the traffic is
really kind of barreling through. And uh we're happy to get you evidence. We're happy to get you a petition from just about I think every every single neighbor will support, you know, a traffic uh hump uh speed humps. Uh we think that's the solution. Um you know,
we've got other issues, too, but I mean, that's what I think we're kind of focused on. So, I don't know if anybody else wants to add anything to that, but uh that's our story. And u we're hoping to work collaboratively with you guys in a difficult job that you all have.
Can't hear you, Marino. I think you're on mute. >> Thank you, Mr. White. I appreciate your comments. Um, I will I see a couple of other hands up. I will go to Mr. Brian Maguire. Um, iPhone 2. If you could
change your iPhone 2 setting to a name. Um, and then I'll allow you to speak. Okay. Um, >> okay. All set. >> Yes, Mr. Maguire. Thank you. Um, please state your um, >> yeah,
>> your uh, name and address. Thank you so much. >> Brian Magcguire, 94 Grafton. Um, I agree with everything Bill said. Thank you. I won't I'll be quick. Um, thanks Bill for all that summary. I agree 100%. Uh, one thing I would add is
I think it would be really helpful is um a stop sign at the uh Quinsey Milton line on Plymouth A because people are basically it's a cut through in the morning. It's a people are flying down
it now with the you know smooth asphalt and at least it'll slow people down just putting a stop sign up there. I think that's like a simple quick measure that'll help >> on the Plymouth A connection. Correct. >> Plymouth a connection where it goes from Quinzy to Milton a stop sign.
>> Got it. >> Okay, that's it. Thanks. >> And uh while you're still on the speak, could you speak us to um terms of uh problems? U Mr. White had mentioned a northbound problem. Are there any
specific times >> um on Plymouth A? Um, what he said, I mean, we both walk our dogs like 6:30 in the morning to probably like 8:30 in the morning when it's still somewhat dark and kids are going to school, people are
just using it to bypass the highway. >> That's a big problem. And on Grafton A in the um afternoon um it seems to be like people are cutting off Edge Hill Road and going on Grafton to get on the southbound
highway. Um, so they it's like that edge where they cut down and then they take a left on State Street. That's a popular cut through because there's usually a line or and they might cut down either Plymouth or Grafton. >> Plymouth. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So,
>> right through PL Do you understand? They going down area. Yes. >> Okay. >> Very familiar. >> Thanks. I would I am going to see if anybody from our
commission would like to speak on on on this. Um and to answer um one of the comments um I was hoping to find um there there was a study done as part of the postgovernor
road. Um there was data taken uh we just reviewed that uh I just reviewed that with Justin earlier prior to this meeting. It is a slightly older data. It is from back in 2024. Uh there are questions as to the red line used u and
status at on those dates that the data was collected and uh we do agree that things have changed slightly now that the A uh pilot program might be ongoing.
So, just as an FYI to the commission, if you are all looking to try try and uh move forward with getting additional data similar to what we just saw Justin present on the reservation, uh we would
it would probably be useful for us to ask um Justin to do new counts in a in a similar in a similar manner that we just provided to those residents at reservation. Um there will be potentially additional
uh locations. Reservation was only one count. I would have to go um and scope out with Justin uh better locations for those counts. Uh just as an FYI for for our own group.
With that being said, um do you guys have questions? Uh would you like to move forward with asking for that data for that count? Um and also
looking at the stop sign. Anyone from our commission? Marian, I think you're muted. I think we should move forward with the data collection. >> Okay. Thank you, Steve. I I see you
shaking your hand. >> Yeah, I agree with that. I I agree with that. I think we we talked about that stop sign a while back and I think decided not to do anything with it at at the time because they were doing construction. So, I know it was brought up maybe six months ago or so.
And >> um Chief King, >> uh I no concern with the data. U I agree with Mary, but the the stop sign I'm just concerned, you know, we don't historically put in stop signs just to slow people down. That's I think the
problem warrants for a stop sign. >> We would uh we would have I agree with you, Chief. We would have to look to see if it it meets the warrants for a stop sign. Um, Sergeant Ernst, >> I feel the same as the chief on that.
Just >> making sure that the criteria is met for the stop sign, but I support the data collection. Definitely. All right, >> Marina, if I could just add one thing here. The >> just a common misconception is that stop
signs will will slow traffic way of slow traffic. Stop signs are not an approved method of traffic cominging. So, just to put them in again, want to make sure that they're they're where they're supposed to be. Um but that that should
not be an option here or should not be recommended as an option to to look at slowing traffic or any sort of traffic calming measure. >> It would be look at for a safety perspective if it meets the warrants.
>> Correct, Justin? >> Yeah, just to clarify. Yeah, the we're talking about an allway stop or just a single singular stop sign. >> I think it's one. >> You I will show you which intersection
it is. It's It's not really an intersection. >> It's like a one-way flow and you take a shot right and they want to put a stop sign there just to stop you from starting to speed up down the street. >> Okay. Nick,
>> hey, good evening. Uh, yeah, just I just I think and Marina, just something that we've talked about, I think would be helpful and looking and seeing the reservation road data, which I thought was helpful, but you know, it showed a volume issue, not necessarily speed issue. If that is the case here again on Plymouth and Grafton, maybe a volume
issue, but not necessarily a speed issue according to the speed limit. So, I think taking some next steps to have whether it's Justin and Tai and Bond come in with like a list of treatments that we can consider that will help improve and increase safety, but not necessarily
um like we I don't think we should just be in a position of responding only if the data shows an average speed of 32 mph, but rather having um you know a list of potential treatments that we can do to help improve safety in any number
of roads across the So that's just I think something the commission and the department and we could work towards together vote and sorry for the voice in the back. >> No couldn't hear thing. Thank Thank you. Thank you.
Um I see uh Katie. Um I'll from the public I will allow you promote your allow you to speak. Um if you could please state your address and your full
name. >> Hello. Can everyone hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. My name is Katie Mian. I live at 94 Plymouth A. Um, and I was just going to add a little bit to that stop sign. Um, I was kind of the one spearheading that for the several years prior um,
when Chief Berkeley was in charge. The initial um, request for that stop sign was um, as we discussed with um, several people. When you come up the hill from Quinzy, uh, our road takes a jog to the
right. The line of sight for driving is straight. Um and so we had a lot of trouble with cars going at a high rate of speed down the wrong way. Um so when we were talking about that stop sign, it's um actually at the intersection of
Alden and where Plymouth meet um and we were able to put do not enter signs um to alert traffic that even though the road continues in a straight manner, that is not the way the flow of traffic was supposed to be. Uh the request for
the stop sign at that point was to um have drivers stop and assess the change of the road flow. Um and that's what I believe we were talking about that we had um discussed at stop sign in previous. Um it's also a blind curve
coming up Alden Road taking a left. Um so now with the um flat we'll call it a raceway from it starts just beyond the Quinzy line. Um the car is coming up and they continue on that uh smooth flat
road taking a left from Alden onto Plymouth. Um to put it politely, put your life in your hands. Um it is a blind corner left. Um and the rate of speed and as uh Brian and Bill said,
it's 6:30 to 8:30 in the morning. Um I'm standing on that corner because that is where our bus stop is. um the workers who were working and doing the uh project here. I'm at 94, so I'm very close to where that road, that section
of the road is. Uh there were several times workers almost got hit by cars coming um on that corner. So um what Brian had suggested, it's not just kind of an arbitrary stop sign. There's a lot more other things that um kind of are
encompassed. Um, so I don't think that it's just a merely flopping a stop sign for a traffic measure. I think there's a lot of other factors. So I just wanted to add that kind of um history there. And then my one other question was uh I believe there was a
um speed radar um you know there was a what for lack of a better word you know a trailer that was posted. Did that collect data or was that just um measuring people's speed and letting them know how fast? Because I know we were talking about data collection and I
know that um that was placed there for a period of time. So I guess that was my question is um was there any data collected from that or was that merely a um signal to the drivers to let them know exactly how fast they were going down a residential street? So that was
it. So thank you. Thank you. Um, Chief, was that from uh the police department? >> I don't know that off top my head. I mean, I don't know what time period she was referring to. Um,
>> Marina, I could probably speak on that a little bit. Um, I I would also say what with what Katie was saying, I couldn't agree more. just being from the town and working on that project with Riley when they were over there, you saw that a lot. Cars
coming up from Plymouth and it it is very very confusing. So I I I I think Katie's point is is um is a very strong one and and and should definitely be taken in consideration when when we discuss the the stop sign installation.
the um the sign board we did put out. Officer Stain 4 was enforcing traffic down there. Um put it out for about two weeks last month and uh we did get some data back. It um I mean I can share that share kind of
a an overview of what we got. It was uh you know obviously the the volume there's a average volume per day of 490 cars there's over the course of two weeks remember um the average speed we based that off of the 85th percentile
um the average speed per day uh or taken over that time period was 20 just about 24 miles an hour. Uh the speed limit uh posted speed limit is 25 on that street. So, it it the the the reports uh they're
they're pretty good. They, you know, I I could probably get them to to you guys so you guys can see it. Uh it's it's not in-depth as the the studies that the town does, but um it it does give us some some good data back, but that's that's basically the the gist of of of
what uh what the report uh provides us. So, >> okay, that's good to know. >> Yeah. >> Um, um, Lai,
>> yes, >> you can please, uh, state your name and address. Thank you. >> My name is Heidi Lai. I live at 101 Plymouth A. >> Thank you. >> I just want to um echo what
Katie Mian has stated. I have moved I moved here in um December of09. So, we have been very long-term residents here at 101 Plymouth. And the amount of traffic that is happening
in the morning is quite concerning. I walk my dog early in the morning and I often have to be very cautious when I'm crossing the street from just my front door over to Alden to allow my dog and I
to to kind of get into the roadway. But we are often having to wait for many many cars to come through and they are going at such a high speed and it's a blinding corner.
So, it's a personal concern for me and I also have grave concern for the bus stop because those kids are standing there and these drivers are recklessly coming up the hill and not necessarily always seeing this
do not enter sign which is to the left of the island. And on many, many occasions, there are drivers that are going down the wrong way and then realize they're going down the wrong way and either stop and back up or continue
to go down the wrong way and then take the right to go down state. So, it's just a real transition I'm seeing being a resident here with the traffic flow and now that the
pavement has been paved and to allow for kind of not only a higher volume but higher speed, I'm I'm really concerned about the welfare of our kids. Thank you, Miss Lai. Um,
Mi Mr. Steven Camano, can you please state your address? >> Uh, good evening. Steve Kamarano, 70 Plymouth A, Milton, Mass. Um, so on more than one occasion,
uh, at the bus stop, I've had to stand in the middle of the road to stop traffic, to let children cross the street. So, I mean, it's literally a hazard, a traffic hazard at this point every
single morning on Plymouth State Street in Grafton. Um, everyone's already raised the concern or've already stated the the pavements been redone and yes, that just makes the traffic move faster, but
we've had almost physical confrontations with drivers like out of the car. I mean, it's people in a rush on the expressway. We know how it works, right? We've all lived here just about the majority of our lives. So, um, speed bumps, I would say at a minimum, stop
signs are a great idea. the one at um the top of Plymouth coming out of Quinsey. I mean, I would even suggest um Plymouth and State Street uh northbound stop sign there. Just
that's all I have to say. Just a couple good examples of literally hazardous driving every single day on Plymouth have in the morning between 6:30 and 8:00 for sure. Thank you, Mr. Tamarano.
Um, Mr. J. Farley, um, you are muted, but you are ready to speak. If you can please state your address. Hello, we cannot hear you unfortunately.
Um I'll come back to you. Uh Mr. Bill White, if you can please uh brief uh you you've already spoken, so we'll just
Thank you. Ready to go. >> I'll be brief. Um Officer Erns, thanks for those comments and and the two day two two week uh trial that you did. My only concern there is that it was hard to speed uh in the condition that road
was in uh before it was repaved. I um but I was there watching it. So you said average speed 24. We'd love to see that data and and what what the what the 85th percentile look like and all that. But I guess our point is again the data is
obsolete. A new smooth road. And I believe you would see, you know, not only higher volumes, but I think you'd see increased speed if you redid the data now that the road has been repaved. That's all. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Uh Marina, if I may, uh briefly, um Mr. White or Mr. Kimarino or Katie, if you guys are still in the still here, um I just curious, what time does the bus pick up in the morning? What time's the the pickup time? You may have said I'm sorry if you did, but can one of you
guys that if you guys are still there? >> Katie, >> Katie knows probably. Hold on. >> Um, >> hello. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Yeah, Katie. Hi. >> Yeah. So, the uh the middle school high school bus stop uh picks up around 6:45
650, but that is out at Edge Hill. Uh the main one we're talking about is the elementary uh Colott Cunningham bus uh which the bus stop there are two bus stops. There's a pickup at Alden in Plymouth uh and that is roughly at 7:40
in the morning and then the second stop is at State and Grafton uh a few minutes uh after that. So we'll say that's about um I don't know 7:42 7:43. Um, so that's kind of at the height of
that rush hour. >> Um, and and as we said, they both kind of get there's drivers who are um forced to stop for the bus stop and uh the anger that goes along with it or the driving around. Some of them cut off the bus. Um, so it gets pretty hairy, but I
would say it's 7:40 is uh 7:40 to 7:45 is when the bus comes through to pick up uh those elementary children. And as we said, uh, rough ballpark. We're talking about at least 25 kids getting on the bus, uh, within those two stops.
>> Okay. Thank you very much. Yeah, we'll we'll, um, we'll try to help out where we can on the police department side and, uh, get some officers down there to monitor traffic, especially, you know, during pickup time. Thank you, Katie.
>> Thank you. So, uh what I am looking at here is we will um I will work with Justin to uh put together a scope and um get a traffic count that will better reflect the conditions today. Uh and
similar to the reservation, we will present that hopefully at our next meeting. um it will depend on uh how Justin um how we can go with with authorizing that work and etc. So
uh with if with that being said I I'll move on to our next uh um meeting item uh item agenda item five. It's a request for valet parking on Frank Franklin and
Adam uh intersection. Uh I will share my screen. Let me just um pull up where that request is coming from. Um let me see if anyone
we have anybody uh who is speaking on behalf of this agenda item. Please raise your hand. All right. I don't see anyone. I'll share my screen. Um so members of this commission um
hopefully you can see my uh as you know uh few months ago we voted on turning Franklin Street a one way uh due to the construction and the taking of one lane um for the project the construction
project for Franklin that has taken out some uh parking um that folks from some of these restaurants uh namely Abby Park as well as some of the
other restaurants in on Adam Street we're using for their um patrons. Um, so the request has been that the existing daytime loading zone parking on Abbeby
Park be turned um at nighttime to a valet parking um to accommodate uh patrons using these um
these businesses during uh during the dinner hours. Um so basically currently there is an existing um loading zone. uh it's and uh
enforced uh for uh for all businesses in this area like the Abby Park uh says that and my my understanding is that that um um
is done by a third party uh valid parking service and it is free for all patrons. So, um the good thing is that not only folks from the Abbey Park will be run by that um that business,
everyone that would want to um use that uh service uh could use free of charge. Um they have secured I believe uh parking from
uh u this lot to be used for for those services. So I am not sure if um any of you had any questions but they did come in and they had initially
requested that when that that I believe a few months ago in the beginning of this year um this had been raised to our commission. So, with that being said, not sure if anybody had any questions or comments or addition to this request.
>> Did they give a flow plan like that you park coming up Franklin, drop your car, and then they return them where? On Franklin again, the same direction or on Adam Street double parked. >> The return of the vehicle. >> Yeah.
>> They can't they cannot illegally park and wait for the patron to come in. They they you drop it off and you your car is returned back to the same spot. >> If they comply with that, I don't see any reason any problems with it.
But just so that's the loaded zone during the day and it's the same exact space as the valet at night and are we sure none of these businesses get deliveries at night? Cuz I feel like some of them sometimes do. Maybe not the restaurants, but I feel like there are
other trucks that sometimes make deliveries at night. >> I thought so, too. Um, I wish >> I don't have the request in in I wish somebody who uh I wish I had more
information on that request actually because um I'm not exactly the sure about the hours that the valet parking would be turned into valet.
I think we need we need some confirmation on that. >> Is there a camera in that area that we could look at the data to see what when and who parks there? I mean, there must be a security camera around there in that area. >> Uh there's not a police one. I mean,
there's could be private ones, but we don't have access to that short of a crime. So, I will um it sounds like we need more information from the request and then it sounds like we also need the other business to have
the chance to speak up if they have any concerns about uh the use of that current space. Um I believe Chief King I have to double check on the current uh sign uh as to whether or not that valet parking is current I'm sorry that um
>> loading zone is currently uh restricted for day business hours. So even though it might be used for night um I think that the current sign is for during the day only. So,
I'll double check on all those items and then maybe we can revisit this at the next meeting. >> All right. We need to know the the time the current time frame. >> I guess the time frame and
>> we all businesses kind of support this or is it just for certain businesses? And I guess Steve hit on it just as long as that being done the proper way. I, you know, I could picture a double parking occurren which we've mentioned. I I just could see that playing out. It
did in the past when there was a valley there. >> Yeah. On side. >> I will ask for more clarification. I think those are very all very valid points and then I'll ask them to um attend our next meeting.
>> Just one quick question. Marina is this this is just Abbeby Park that's looking to do this. So they're utilizing the space. It's not any other restaurants that want to do this as well. Correct. It would be used for all other residents. Uh Novara uh also would use
that. Um I am not sure. Um I think Starbucks is closed at those hours. Um >> Chinese restaurants there. There are other couple of other restaurants I I would um I have not had.
Again, I I think it it's fair for us to request who's the supporter of this request. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Thank you. Good questions. >> All right. So, I'll ask for a list of all of this information um for our next
meeting. Uh, next agenda item is um there was a request to review the not review but um there was a request for
the a Cantonav truck exclusion. Um I was under the impression that we've already done a Cantonav truck exclusion. I did find a memo that was done back in 2022. I believe uh that Cantonav truck
exclusion, however, was from the um section of Let me pull that up. One second. I want to make sure speaking about it correctly. I believe I believe it was Broken Adams.
Okay. >> Yeah. the the map you gave us was Blue Hill all the way to um Adam Street the entire length of KNAB that you showed us last time. I'm going to share my screen. So the the
this was a beta report that was completed for um in the DPW director at the time Chase. It was back in 2022. It was from a truck exclusion on uh Center Street between Adam Street and Brook
Road. Um it notice notes uh where existing uh truck restrict restrictions are in the town of Milton. And here although center street go all the way to Reedsville
um Reedsdale it it the request at the time of the study area was from Brook to Adams. Um and it the report uh pretty much did not uh noted that the recommendation is that the study uh
found that it did not warrant um the requirements as by mass DOT for truck exclusion road. Although um this was submitted with um a lot of information and additional video and
picture um of um the evaluated traffic area. Um is there anybody from I'm sorry. Is there anybody from the
public that is here to speak on this matter? Okay. Uh we were under the impression that there was a request for us to continue this study further um on uh
Center Street. So with with no additional requests on this ma matter, um I'd say there there's not much for us to do here. All right. Um
so thank you all very much. Um yes, >> I did I did have one one other thing. I I sent you an email earlier, Marina. Uh, so the I think we agreed the last time that the entire Canton Avenue was no trucks allowed above two and a half tons and there's slight there's some signage
out there. I took a drive up and down and I sent you an email with signage. I think signage needs to go because there's not one on the end going from Adams down Canton right by my house and trucks go by there. I followed one today when I was looking at the signs. A huge dump truck not doing any work in Milton
just driving through. So can we just take that? I I sent you may not be part of this meeting. >> You did send me I I sent it to your support team. Um either those signs are already in uh the queue. They're either
being u ordered or about to be installed because I I sent that request to the support team a while ago. >> Okay. And then I had one other question. It's kind of a general traffic question. Is is there some way we can communicate with with ways and some of these apps out there than just say this this road
is not is you know has a certain requirement where you can't drive trucks on it or it's a one-way street or anything. Is there uh I've done a little research and there's a couple apps that truck drivers use, hammer app and trucker pathway and and one other one and is there any way we can communicate
that to these companies and just say hey can you get this updated based on current data because I mean if they have most of them have some sort of app and I know ways is not good with trucks so most trucks just use it for traffic they don't use it for that purpose but do you know does anybody know that I don't know
if it's a police thing or So that's the intent of Masot's um when you submit that truck exclusion, Mass works with those those apps to ensure that those get updated as new restrictions come online. >> Yeah. >> Um so I'm not sure, Steve, if you know
off, you know, know that or have a concern or know that there they aren't in that that trucking app. >> No, I don't I don't know. No. Okay. I just I didn't