Rip it. Good evening and welcome to the Warren Committee. Uh like to thank everybody who's watching for their patience on a late start. This is a uh April vacation edition of the Warren Committee. So we have a we're in a little smaller room, a little more intimate crowd. We have some
people on Zoom from the committee um who are away with their families. Um but today we have the planning board uh to discuss two articles are going to be upcoming um at uh our town meeting. One is our flood plane which we've discussed
ear previously with them and secondly is the East Milton overlay. Um so those are the two things we're going to discuss with a focus on the overlay. Um and um that's really what we're going to do today. So thank you everybody for being here. Karen, could you call the role? Sure. We have Tom Caldwell, Lorie
Connelly. On Zoom we have Jay Fundling, Allison Gagnon, Julie Joyce, Macy Lee is here, Brian Magguire is here, and on Zoom we have Aman Nagasi and Judy Steel. Thank you very much, Karen. Um, so as I
mentioned very briefly, we discussed the flood plane with you on your previous um trip here. Um we know um that uh this is obviously requirement but this is more of a a typical housekeeping um uh for
um in terms of the establishment of overlay district pursuant to chapter 275 of the general bylaws um for our bazone bylaws. So, um, does anybody here present or online have any questions concerning the flood plane article 4
that the planning board is putting forward? Okay. And those were forwarded to members of the warrant committee. So, there was some slight um changes with some red lines, but um if nobody has any questions, we can
move on to the East Milton overlay. Great. And uh I we have uh Meredith Hall, the chair of our planning board, and member Jim Davis here to discuss with us. So all that being said, the floor is yours. Great. Thank you so much. Um this is an article that has
been many years in the making. Um this is started with um a tremendous amount of study to the East Milton uh neighborhood and what a mixeduse overlay zoning might look like. we did um the I
would say the the greatest part about this is it's really been um a very proactive involvement of the neighborhoods, the East Milton neighborhood district and the the rema and the rest of the town. This has been
something East Milton has been wanting and asking for, but they've wanted they've wanted it to be done in a thoughtful um way that not only allows for mixed use uh a commercial with um with multifamily housing, but they wanted it to be done in a very
thoughtful way. So, surveys, public forums, there's been a lot of public process that has led up to this. So, we're pleased to present this. And for those who have not been able to watch it, um there was a forum that was held that is online for anyone who would like
to watch which walks through um the entire process and sort of the history of how we got to this point and it was very well received by the East Milton Neighborhood Association. So here we are this evening for an article um to be presented for the June 16th town
meeting. And uh just to begin um I think it's good to start with what the purpose is of this article. Uh the and it is section 275-322 East Milton Square mixeduse overlay district. The purpose this
section's purpose is to allow highquality mixeduse development that enhances East Milton Square. Successful mixeduse development shall strength a strengthen the walk walkability and safe and convenient circulation for all travel in East Milton Square.
Proactively and intentionally guide commercial district investment. Enhance sense of place and district identity. Leverage private investments to add community amenities while reducing impacts. encourage mixeduse development
and increase a variety of housing options. Improve environmental sustainability and resilience in the district. Preserve and enhance the historic character of East Milton. The allowed uses in the area are
mixeduse development. Um mixeduse development is required with nonresidential and residential uses. So, as you know, East Milton is currently a commercial district. So, when we're talking about an overlay zoning, it's important to remember for those who are
watching and listening that that underlying zoning always will exist. That's always going to be there. If somebody wants to continue to maintain a funeral home, a gas station, certain things that aren't would not be allowed under this new overlay zoning, they are
absolutely entitled to to remain as that existing 100% commercial building. It's only new development within this district that if they wanted to take advantage of the overlay that they would apply um under this overlay zoning. So,
it allows another level of of mixed use. um residential that could be added to the commercial district. Um, so non-residential so non-residential uses all businesses all business use uses
otherwise permissible in the East Milton Square business district shall be allowed by right with site plan review except for drive-thru as I mentioned drive-thru food service facilities filling stations garages sales rooms and
repair shops for motor vehicles storage warehouses and undertakers um which would be prohibited under if they were taking advantage of this mixeduse. Uh residential uses, residential use shall be allowed by right with site plan review in
conjunction with one or more nonresidential uses identified in section BB. The permissible residential uses shall be multifamily housing which is defined as having more more than one
housing unit in a building or multiple buildings on a lot. A housing unit is is defined as that portion of a building providing complete housekeeping and cooking facilities for one family as defined in two in section
275-11. This is um important. The ground floor use at least 50% of the usable ground floor area of the building must be designed for and occupied by nonresidential uses identified in section BB. Where possible, this area
should be designed to accommodate individual businesses of 1500 square ft or less. As used in the section 275-322, the ground floor shall be shall be the story directly above the
basement. If there is no basement, the story directly above the foundation, which generally co coincides with the elevation of the adjacent sidewalk at the frontage of the building. Um, under the dimensional requirements, um, this
is where we have our setbacks, sideyard setbacks, rear setbacks. Um and then going on to building height. Um you can read, you know, the front yard setbacks. Uh the prime we tried to really align with what is currently existing. So
those setbacks would be um the primary footage of new buildings and new additions to existing buildings shall be located no less than 0 ft and no more than 10 ft from the lot line. So this blends in with the character of what is already there. Um, sideyard setbacks.
Sideyard setbacks are not required when the abuing use is an existing business or mixed use. When the abuing use is an existing residential use, the minimum sideyard setback is 10 ft. And then there's rear setyard setbacks. The
minimum rear yard setback is 12 ft when the abuing use is an existing business or mixed use. when the abuing use is an existing residential use only the minimum rear yard setback is 20 feet. Um what was really important when we were
when we were putting out our survey and we were really listening to the residents and what people wanted. One of the things that that most spoke out on is the height of the buildings. They wanted it to be mixed use. they wanted to maintain a commercial base um
bringing in new revitalization but they really were concerned about the height. So um we've taken the direction from the feedback that we've received the maximum height no building shall be erected or altered to exceed three stories or 45 ft
in height. And then we go on to provide the definitions just to to be clear for a developer or a builder what a story means. And I that's slightly technical so I don't I'll let you just sort of look look through that piece. Um ground
story height. Yeah. If there's stop for if there's questions at any point, this might be a good place to um and I'll just say open space was also important because we wanted to allow for some common areas to allow for some setbacks
so we could have maybe public benches doing things that you would have tables maybe outside um if it if there was maybe food being served on the on the first floor, but having really encouraging gathering places in a safe space um just to again revitalize that
area. Um and so um open space was was part of what we were asking. Um and I will just read that all properties must provide a minimum of 10% open space. Minimum open space may include hardscape, pedestrian, piazas,
extensions of the sidewalk, public realm, planting of trees, pocket parks, balconies, roof decks, or off-site improvements to existing open space amenities. So, uh, thank you, M. Pause at this point and see if there's any
questions. Oh, yeah. I just put it out to our friends at home online if if anyone has any questions just in regards to the first three pages. as um uh chair halls covered A B C
um up to this point. Jend Jay Funang question. Good evening Jay. Um so while Jay we're trying to figure figure out the technical I I just have a very quick question. Um the 1500 square
feet or less is that is is uh are we trying to encourage more smaller businesses or what I Yes. So, we're we're we're trying to keep it more of a village feel where you assemble a lot of small um we're we're hoping to guide um
sort of um either startup businesses um unique businesses, not necessarily large commercial chain stores coming in. So, that was part of our our it's a suggestion that we that we would like to see that some smaller businesses come in and support our small business
community. Well, that's great. That's great. Um Jerry, are you ready to ask a question? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Sorry, had technical problems. No worries. Uh my question was was um no surprise uh a little bit of nitpicking on wording. When you said
that 50% of it must be 50% of the ground floor must be designed for and I'm trying to read the wording designed for and occupied by non-residential uses. Uh, I just want to make sure that was the correct I think we all know what
that means, but obviously space can sit unoccupied. It can be designed for commercial, but they haven't found a renter yet or they're between renters. We all know what that means, but is saying that it must be occupied by non-commercial space the right way to
say it? Maybe. What? Um, it's D. Uh, B, big B, small D. H. Yeah. I'm sorry. back here. Um, yes. So, this is um at least 50% of the usable ground
floor area of the building must be designed for and occupied by nonresidential uses. So, this is um the purpose for this is we don't want to lose our commercial base in East Milton. That's critical that we preserve it. So, and if somebody is building a new
building, we we don't want to we don't want it to be all residential, all multif family residential. We want to keep the commercial feel and so a minimum of 50% on the first floor. So you can have a residential, you can put
a residential unit. Um it's become more profitable for developers to do residential than commercials become a little bit harder. So this is I think my Yeah. Does that I think my question was even more nitpicky than that. I I get that they're not apartments, they're
commercial space. What I'm saying is it says they must be occupied. What if they're sitting empty for some amount of time? I I think the answer is that's fine, but occupied by But should we not say that it has to be it it it's designed for
an occupy? So once somebody moves in, it would need to be a non-residential use. The tenant the tenant it can be designed for it needs to not only be designed for commercial but it needs to be a commercial occupant. I think the word by
after occupied satisfies that the way I read it. Designed for and occupied by non-residential uses. Jay, I think I you are you talking tense here? Like like it shall be occupied like is that what
Yeah. Like what if it's sitting empty? What if they haven't found someone to rent it yet? Then it's not occupied. So you don't like the word must and you want shall the area of the building shall be designed. I mean that's the only thing
if we're looking to uh to change Jay is that it Yeah. What's what's what's the recommendation Jay? Sorry I don't have a recommendation. Um designed for and occupied by non-residential uses. Are you concerned that I think they'll build it and then they won't get a tenant and
it'll be a year without a violation of Yeah. are they violating the rules because that's not occupied. I mean it's very nitpicky and I'll drop it after this go around. I just wanted to raise it. Yeah. I mean we may be designed for a nonresidential use and just take out.
Can I have a s I have a suggestion. Um Jay, how would this work? So if it says at least 50% of the usable ground floor area of the building must be designed for and shall be occupied because then because you want to keep the 50% as
mandatory and then the occupation somewhat discretionary which is what shall implies so you can split it the baby that way right what do you think yeah I think the I think the shall insert shall be occupied but keep the must because you
want to keep that right must be designed for shall be occupied. So Jay, thank you. And and I I think that does make it clear now, as we've all seen before in front of the planning board, you're going to have to vote on that language change, right? And then it's going to
have to come, right? Yes. So let's look at that. And we also like to run it by legal counsel, too. Of course, you might they might have. But I think that's we'll note that little shall in paragraph B. I also add another uh scrier thing on section C residential uses. It says uses identified in section
B and then you have the little B. Should you put the little B in PNS? Oh, section C. That's in section BC. Residential uses the little I don't know in PNS. The only problem that is the subsection is not in C. Subsection. You
do a dot dot. That's Yeah. Okay. So, strike that. Okay. All right. No, no, I appreciate it. I was just reading rags all day long. That's good. Oh, can I ask another question? This is less less nitpicky. Um, sorry, I just realized
this was this part of the document. Um, so in BB, when you say here are things we won't allow drive-thru, fast food, gas stations, uh, car dealerships. I guess a lot of these make sense to me. The one that
leaps out at me is where you say undertakers. And that when I read that, that concerned me because my first thought was, is that there? And I'm I'm I hope you take this in the right way. When I when I heard that, I was concerned that
there are at least two undertaker businesses in the East Milton area. And did those businesses business interests play into writing this so that they wouldn't get competition? I I I I I I'm sorry if this is coming across in the
wrong way. I'm just saying that's what one might think when one reads this and I I want reassurance. No, that's not it. Definitely not at all. Um I can assure that. That's so can you speak to why I mean I
get why we're not allowing this was our consultant. This was a recommendation because this is when he's writing zoning for um an area that is um that's going to be more of a mixeduse area. Um that these would be these are typical
businesses that you don't want to add more of because you want you want the new development to to come in to be commercial but have a res but have a residential component. So, um, yeah, as it does make sense. I mean, I've never
seen an undertaker business on the first floor of an apartment building. That would be weird. But yet, when I when I saw I guess it was a consultant doing the presentation, he specifically said, you know, we're going to eliminate some of these businesses, you already have plenty of that. And that that that got
my spidey sense tingling. I was like, oo, that that doesn't sound good. Yeah, we we want to keep the businesses that we have obviously that um the wonderful, you know, obviously undertakers and gas stations that we rely on. We just don't want it to all become all gas stations,
all undertake, you know, we don't we don't necessarily want more of of that. And we've always had, you know, um you know, drive-thru food services have always been sort of prohibited. Um but there in some of the the the
previous zoning is is a much older underlying zoning. So some of these uses are allowed for. So this is just clarifying that under this they wouldn't be allowed to have additional Yeah. I guess if you could just have a
reason as to why undertakers aren't allowed, I think that would give reassurance to me and to to other people on town meeting because So, real quick, I think we're just trying to encourage residential res Yeah. uh you know,
residents to be able to walk around East Milton Square and go to a variety of different types of businesses. Um a funeral parlor is open during funerals and that's about it. and they would take up a lot of space. We're not trying to push them out. We're just saying if if
that came in, it wouldn't be detrimental, but it just wouldn't be more welcoming. I mean, I I think of like maybe another women's boutique or a men's clothing store or um I don't know. I amenities. I think we're looking to add amenities to the area. It's a very it's a small area, a small district, so
adding amenities um services for the community is was our goal. Yeah, I see these too. I see these as very unique type of businesses that require like permitting and state approval and lensure. I see gas stations, food
service facilities, garages, repair shops, a warehouse, and undertakers have their own statutory requirements. So, it's not like a men's clothes store or like a five and 10 or a sub shop. It's a little more, right? Um, but I I understand, Jay, and I I appreciate you mentioning that. And walkability, I
think, for amenities is is was definitely something that we heard loud and clear. People want safe pedestrian, but they want to be able to walk and do all their errands and not have to get into a car. So, when you have other businesses that don't really you can't really run your errands, you know, to a
CVS, you these these would be really not um considered necessary, although they're critical to a community um not the amenities in this particular location. And if that makes sense. I I I hear what you're saying, but there are lots and lots of businesses that people
don't want to walk in and walk into. I could hang out a shingle and be a for hire actuary or someone could open a tax accounting firm and that's not something you want to walk into. And yet we're not forbidding that. We're specifically forbidding undertakers. Now, what Tom
said about this the different types of regulations makes some sense, but it when we're singling out specific ones and saying they can't be here. It it gives me pause and makes me want
to have a really good reason. Again, you know, we're not listing tax tax accountants as somebody who can't open a shop just because they're not fun places to visit. Well, I think you could walk to your tax like I would walk to do my taxes if I could. They're out there
in East. Yeah. an insurance broker. You could walk and we could but we can get picked with a funeral home. It's like what is it open from 4 to 7 on every other Tuesday? I mean that doesn't help the community I would think. I mean it does in a sense we want to keep our but
like I know what you're saying. You're saying pe businesses that people can walk to on the in a regular commerce type of situation buy something. You want to keep it more lively downtown. Right. Good one. Good one. Save that for town meeting. Um, can I have a Sure. So,
I So, just in response to Jay's comments, my understanding of this article is that the intent behind it is to have mixed residential business use. So, meaning I'm just making an example. I'm envisioning the South End, for example, right? So, you have a three-story building. You have two
residential units on top and a business below. And a funeral home, as Jay just mentioned, is not really a place where you envision having a resident on top. Neither is a gas um gas station repair shop. So, I think, and I may be
inferring intent um behind this article, is that going forward with this particular article, you're looking for um mixed residential business use, right? And so I think that the reason undertakers
um automobile showrooms on Route One, those are not what we envision because you wouldn't have that as a mixed residential business use. Am I correct in that? Okay. So I think that so with the exception of the two funeral homes that are already in East Milton Square going forward you're looking for a
mixeduse and that's not what these businesses would would you envision as a mixeduse would be boutiques hair salons maybe a cafe where you could have two units above the building right am I right so that's exactly that's what so yeah so Jay so I'm just like I said in
response to your comment I think that that's why these particular businesses prevention behind this article because they're typically not the type of businesses that would be involved with a mixed residential and business use. Does that make sense? It does make sense. Okay. So, anyway,
that's how I read this particular article. And this is also I should say this is very similar to what we did. A lot of this language was language that was lifted and used when we did the lower mills um Milton Village overlay zoning. So a lot of this mirrors that
which were similar um similar things that we addressed in there and design guidelines and standards. So makes sense. Do you think that there will be um a push to force out the businesses that are on the second floor of some of
those buildings with this overlay? Like are we going to lose business now potentially and are we concerned? Yeah, I mean it would it's it's the owner who will determine that. And a lot of a lot of those upper level
um there's a lot of vacancies right now and some of those upper levels I know um a few that are um they're trying to rent out and and it is it's nice to be able to offer that, but it would be up to the the property owner to determine that.
But could they have a business on the second floor if they wanted? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They can keep those businesses. Yeah. Oh, all right. Okay. Well, if it's if it if it currently exists, it can all stay. Yes, it can be it can be all commercial. This is more incentive for new construction, new
development. And where would that go? So well had we had we had this in place when four before when forward granite when they were applying this could have made that a different project where um
you would have had not only commercial but the height would have been you know limited um if you look all along that corridor I you know whether something will happen with citizens bank at some point they have a huge parking lot there it's massive um they don't actually own
citizens bank doesn't own that site. It's actually they lease that property. So, there's there's a few properties and as you continue down towards the East Milton Fire Station, there's a few properties along there and then some on Adam Street that we can see um
potential. So, um and then as you continue down, we're we're including the food center property with this. Um that was sort of a question on whether we should include that or not. Um but um in the end we decided that that should be
is part of the map um to include that for mixed use to allow residential if ever there was a change. But that's interesting and the hope is that a developer looks at this and says this is something that I can work with and they won't go the 40p route. That's really one of the goals here, right? Because
that was the threat with 440. We were seeing that with Falcone and we're trying to avoid those types of just massive developments, right? Preventive. Okay. Preventive makesense. Yes. That's prevent. Yeah. Um Okay. If anyone has any further questions on um A, B, and C,
I have one more. Oh, sure, Lori. So, the front yard setback. Mhm. Oh, good question. The primary frontage of new buildings and new additions shall be located no less than zero feet and no more than 10 ft from the lot line. Is
that like does that include the sidewalk? So it can be like basically on the sidewalk from the sidewalk. So it would be So it um Yes, it should be um Well, that allows you to build right up to the sidewalk, but we can't take over
the sidewalk, right? Right. You could have a building with a with a wall at the sidewalk. Yes. Just that's most of them are like that right now. I mean, if you walk, we're trying to make it consistent with what's actually there. Okay. So, we didn't want it to be too, you know, we wanted it to have the
same Yes. the same storefront appearance that would be sort of somewhat consistent. Yeah. All right. That makes sense now. Yeah. I was envisioning which is different because we typically ask for more of a setback. You know, we want but open space, but um and when we get
to the end, waiverss can be granted too on this. So, if it makes sense for the project, it can be looked at. Okay. Anybody have any further questions on A, B, or C? I have one more question. Sure. The open space that includes open
space in the front like what I see for Starbucks or it could be in the back. So that can be it could it we're flexible on that. Um so hardcapes with pedestrians it could be a little you know um it could be like a little open like Novara has a little courtyard area
outside seating area. It could be on the side, you know, certain. So, it depends on where the property is, maybe in the back area, but it also could be in along the the front um as well, okay, if um if appropriate. But extensions to the
sidewalks um you know, we're thinking of again a planting, we'd love to see planting beds done out front, you know, some some green space added to it. Um, sometimes you see uh planters done out front in the property and things that
would enhance the the sort of the the look and feel of the of the site. Um, would you know if the 10% of that navarus is that covered by the 10% little um thing? So that was pre-existing. So that was that was a
different and that was a special permit all unto itself. So um I don't know that that was a requirement. It's probably not 10% like if a new person bought it. Yes. Would they fall into the grandfather piece or do they they would be grandfathered under what currently exists there? Um so this would be for
new new development or additions to properties and and changes to new Okay. New all the existing zoning, special permits, everything stays in place. This is an option for property owners. Gotcha. Yeah. It's a new incentive for Yeah. new commercial and residential
revital revitalization which hopefully translates into tax improved tax bases. So, new growth. New growth. And a smart new growth. Yes. Milton. Um, okay. Are we are we good on those first three sections? Okay. So, now we have deed and
uh just starting off with historic preservation. One of the warrant committee's favorite topics. So, we did move to Yes. With historic preservation, it was really important to um to our members when we were looking at this. There's some beautiful historic buildings that front Granite Avenue that
wrap around where Abby Park and Nvar, you know, some really beautiful um classic buildings that we we wanted to prot protect. Some have been altered significantly. So um so we did say that buildings constructed in whole or
substantial part before 1940 shall be preserved as part of an adaptive reuse mixeduse redevelopment. Uh the purpose would be the preservation of buildings of historic significance and expansion of the economic options for historic properties in East Milton. So say one
day the post office was decided to sell. We wanted our historic buildings to have a purpose and to be able to maintain those buildings but find a new a new use. Um we went on for with definitions which you can look through. Um shall
include preservation or restoration of buildings exterior and may include renovation, rehab, restoration or recreation of features or elements of the building. Uh the exterior elements of a building shall be historically compatible and appropriate to the
preserved historic structure. And then we gave some guidance on um what we would like for that to to look like. um then it goes through. We do if somebody wants to um if it's not found
if notwithstanding the foregoing a building constructed before 1940 need not be preserved if the planning board after seeking the advice of the historical commission determines that the building lacks substantial architectural significance and is not historically important or that the
building is in an advanced stage of deterioration and not able to be preserved at at a reasonable financial cost. Um we we would allow you know there there a lot of um we the buildings are
many buildings are surveyed many have been altered significantly and now have aluminum siding or vinyl siding or just don't have any significance that that would not be maintained. But if a building of significance and they wanted
to do an improvement we want to make sure that those buildings don't get torn down. We didn't want to be this, you know, be we didn't want this article to become something that people just came in and we're just going to level everything in East Milton and and rebuild all new and it it's
unrecognizable. We wanted it to be recognizable and protect the village feel and so they can put additions on for some of the singlestory buildings they can add on but it has to be compatible with the existing we would want it to be compatible with the
existing building. So it's incentivizing additions. They can go up to three stories, but we we're going to try to hold on to the beautiful buildings that we have and not have just a demolition
incentive for demolition. So, that's um was important. I think the post office is a great example. Yeah. Yeah. Those were and even the Milton Arts Center, like people love the Milton Arts Center. we, you know, somebody could come in and, you know, and we even thought, you
know, maybe somebody one day if the post office was ever sold, which we hope it wouldn't be, but there's land behind it where they could even do new housing, maybe do town homes behind that or add some, you know, sort of mixed use on on the property as well, but or or add an
addition to the back and do some sort of residential mixed use in that. Keep commercial in the front, residential maybe. So, we wanted to offer restaurant. Yeah. What be a cute restaurant? The post office. Yeah. Would be amazing. That's right. Maybe like
that Masonic Lodge, the Masonic Lodge in Quinsey with that beautiful big. Yeah. And even the you know the East Milton Fire Station like what is the potential of what that could be? You know, I don't know. But we can't sell it. Right. Right. We must can keep it. Yeah. And we
can Right. And we can do some interesting I think there's potential to do some interesting things. So um and maintaining the building which um which folks love. So if deemed historically important this is part of the approval.
Project approval may require the restoration rehab renov renovation repair adaptive reuse or addition to historic structures in the district. In order to grant uh project approval, the proposed restoration, rehab, renovation, repair, adaptive reuse, or addition
shall preserve to the maximum extent feasible the historic and architectural features of the building or structure element. Um, so so this will I'm sorry, this just to clarify, this will protect the fire station for now, right? Well, the fire
station is actually a town-owned building. So the municipal buildings are not necessarily they're not covered by this unless they if they sold it and demolished it. Um I believe I believe that um municipal
buildings would be exempt unless they unless they sold to a new owner. Mhm. Um so but once they sold it, it would be covered by this. Yes. Yes. Correct. Right. That is correct. If they were selling it if Right. Well, that's it won't get sold. So, yeah, the Milton
Arts Center the same, you know, but um if it changed hands with a new and they wanted to um to change that use. C could I ask you a question? Um it's just about the approval and I think we all know it kind of when we see it, but if deemed
historically important, would that be would you as the planning board suggest the historical commission to look at it? We would send it to the historical commission for their comment. Okay. Yeah. And that that would sort of be the determination a yay or nay on that.
Okay. And then waiverss at the discretion of the planning board through site plan review relief from the dimensional as we mentioned or parking requirements may be granted for good cause to accommodate the preservation of a historic structure and property. So
that would be um something that would be allowed. What would be a good cause? I'm just kind of thinking what would um just like uh if you were um so say the fire station I would I was just going to
use that because there's really no area for parking on that site three spots but if there was a great use that they could justify either maybe they would be leasing um a parking lot from Citizens Bank or so they would say we don't have
parking here but we we're going to we're going to find we're going to rent parking or maybe the hours of operation would be conducive to street parking that would be allowed for minimum hours. So if Yeah. So we would have to look at that very carefully with East Milton
because parking is an issue. No, I appreciate it. That's No, it's a it's a good idea, I think, given some of the structures. So, thank you. And we're trying to encourage um parking properties that have large parking areas that maybe they find
shared uses. So for Abby Park, Novara that they don't have adequate parking, maybe they go in with one of the banks and they or a funeral home and they they have a shared lease where they're they're able to
um keep their business running but find alternative uses that may um may need parking at different times of the day. So that's creative alternatives for parking. Perfect. Thank you. Um so just continue with the um E design
standards. Um we really wanted the goal was to um in incentivizing development. We wanted to really protect um the character. So each building and site shall be designed to posit positively contribute to the legacy and character
of East Milton Square while enhancing livability for surrounding residents. The building design and site layout shall define street frontage by occupying street edges with an active ground floor and filling gaps between existing buildings. The building design
and site layout shall shall configure configure the building layout and building massing to shape outdoor spaces by placing buildings at the edges of the outdoor space and located active ground use floor uses.
the transparent ground flooror facades at these location and transparent ground flooror facades at these locations. The building design and site layout shall also be used to define street edges, corners, and intersections. Site layouts shall uh consolidate and share off-
streetet parking efficiently across lot lines, improve street scapes and walkability by minimizing curb cuts and continue to and continue to contribute to livability through the creation of pocket parks, additional outdoor spaces
and new outdoor amenities. Uh, the architectural design shall be composed to be visually vis visually attractive and compatible with the context of the East Milton Square business district and nearby buildings. So, and then it just comes with some contextsensitive and
Yeah. Meredith. Yeah. Okay. What's a pocket park? It's a small It would be a small little um there can be different size pocket parks. So you might call um is it Cranefield? Any
that it's a pocket park. Is that Bel Belchure Circle? Yes, that would be considered a pocket park. But you could have smaller pocket parks where it could be like a little garden sitting out area. It almost navara could be considered that be a little outdoor
outdoor space that you can um and it could be a little a little play area. we could, you know, maybe somebody might design something that might be active for for children to activate to to use. Um, but there tend to be little small
park. Spalding garden is a pocket park if you know fled off of Fletcher Steel. Um, it's just a little within a residential neighborhood. The best I guess the best pocket parks I can think of are in the south end. Yeah. Or Bay Village where Yes, exactly. So in the south end where you find where you don't
even know that they're there and you walk through the building and then you walk outdoor in the back and they might have a little park out back. Gotcha. Okay. Would be a great a great use where you could sit out and yeah have for for the residents as well as the businesses.
So thank you. Can I ask a quick question Jim? Um uh the second sentence, the building design and site layout shall define street frontage by occupying street edges.
Um street edges kind of what does that mean? What does that like phrase mean there? Like so that might be um you might be doing things that define your street edges. So that might be brick. It might be like a um down in Central A. I
understand you do like a like a brick just a thin narrow brick strip that sets your sidewalks. It gives some character you know sometimes sometimes people brick over the whole sidewalks but sometimes they just do an edging and Central Avenue that's an example along
Elliot where that was done. It's a nice detail. Yes. Along with you know the street trees. Sometimes they frame the the trees with brick edges. um but just gives maybe granite curbing that obviously you know something that would enhance that. We're encouraging
utilities to be put underground when possible. So for 40 granite we're hoping that they can work with the town and um utility companies and sync those. It would make a tremendous amount of difference when you drive in and you don't have telephone pole after telephone pole. So sort of improving the
streetscape there that way. I I I miss I'll be honest. I I miss I thought it was a schematic. Then brick is lovely. Yeah. Yeah. It's just want to break up that mass of concrete. Yeah. No, it makes sense. Right. Okay.
Yep. Yeah. And so people could do, you know, there could be different things like a granite bench. So, you know, if you think about um again down on Central Avenue, um there were some nice granite stone markings and benches and ballards
that you can do. There's a lot of things that you can do to enhance that streetscape. So, that's we're really encouraging that in East Milton to really warm that up and make a a welcoming, inviting um center. Okay. Um just context. These are
all Does every uh watching have any any questions just as to historical uh DNA? Um if there are no questions, please uh Meredith and Jimmy can move move on. I know. Yeah, we'll go through these and you can read through these and if
there's any questions on these reach out. Again, this is mostly a lot of the same language that we have in the overlay zoning from Milton Village. Changes to design, impact parking, um you know,
again, just good, thoughtful design features. Um sign approval, sign approval that will go through the um sign review process that the town has. So that's um provided in
275-33. We you know have the opportunity to make some recommendations on what type of signage will go in um avoiding internally lit signs for example like Santandere like we will we will be able to through site plan review make recommendations but ultimately it will
go through the sign review committee. Um this is something I think that's important to point out. affordable housing units. Um, in the East Milton Square mixeduse overlay, it'll be 12% of the total housing units for a project with less than 25 units or 15% of the
total housing units for a project with 25 units or more computed to the nearest whole number. shall be affordable housing units subject to perpetual deed restrictions and if applicable a regulatory agreement ensuring permanent
affordability. Um and so I think that will be something that will help us again with our affordable housing units. Um and it's it goes into more detail of calculation on you know should the calculation result in a remainder of 0.5 or above an additional on-site unit
shall be required. Uh should the remainder be below 0.5 a contribution to the affordable housing trust shall be required in an amount to be determined uh by the planning board. These units shall be affordable to households whose annual income shall not exceed 80% than
the current area medium uh income AMI for the Boston Cambridge Quinsey Mass uh metro FMR area as determined by the US Department of Housing. Um and then all affordable units shall be integrated with and distributed throughout the
development and shall be comparable in size in design, floor area, number of bedrooms, appearance, construction, and quality of materials with market rate units and to to the maximum extent possible. Preference shall be given to Milton residents and employees of the
town of Milton in the rental or purchase of affordable units. A site plan approval issued under this section shall state that final occupancy permits shall not be issued until the affordable housing restrict until the h affordable housing restrictions and if applicable
the regulatory agreements have been agreed to with the registry of deeds and copies of the recorded documents have been provided to the planning board and the building commissioner. So that was um we felt was really important to um to include in
that. Any questions on that? Yeah, I don't remember that. I sorry, can I just jump in? But how do you ma how do you manage that? The preference should be given to Milton residents and employees in the town of Milton. Like how can you So they would do so they have to go through a there's a lottery process when
when any of the um any of the developments like Hendry's was the most recent they run it through and I think they typically they contract that out to an agency who does that. Um, and so Henry's didn't
actually do the lottery themselves. Another agency did and they they they have the list of um Milton res of Milton residents who apply. I did not know that. And and to give a prior Yeah. preference. That's great. So, how would
you determine the amount um that a developer would have to contribute to the affordable housing trust? So, that would probably be calculated on their market rate rents. Um we would have to get a advice probably from uh the affordable housing trust on what would
be an appropriate amount. Okay. On that because obviously um it would have to be a reasonable amount and but there but it sometimes they do do in lie of a unit they will they will agree to a
certain amount. Okay. And you say you're going to be looking at the market rate. market rate it will be yeah usually typically there's a market rate a certain percentage um but we would probably consult with the affordable housing trust too on that
okay but sometimes and sometimes it's negotiated back you know if it's it's part of the permitting right right to come to some sort of agreement on that I just want to make sure we get enough yeah yeah right no it's all the very don't want to get too much though so so
we still have a project as a happy medium well That's true. But still, right, let's set our Not that I'm not all for it, just Yeah. Um, parking. So, this is very important in East Milton. Uh, business parking in the in the East Milton uh
square mixeduse overlay district. Minimum parking minimum parking requirements for businesses uses follow parking requirements in business districts 275-11.3. provided that upon a determination that a greater or lesser
number of parking spaces would be reasonably necessary so as to be adequate for the business use in a particular project. The planning board may increase or decrease the number of business parking spaces required
um for the project. Um this is again this sort of ties back to things you've seen before. In the event of a restaurant use, at least one parking space shall be provided for each four patron seats, provided that upon an upon an applicant showing that a lesser
number of spaces would be adequate for the restaurant use, the planning board may reduce the number the required amount of parking. Residents parking um for the residential units, there shall be a minimum of one parking space for each
residential unit. Off- streetet parking. Safe and convenient parking may be provided offsite within the adjacent with within or adjacent to the East Milton Square business district for the parking required to support business uses at other properties. This is what I
was talking about that maybe they rent from Citizens Bank during the evening if they need um if they need additional parking or other properties in East Milton Square Business District. Off-site spaces used to fulfill parking requirements shall be associated with a
parking agreement between the applicant and the owner of the property where the off-site spaces are proposed to be located. The parking agreement shall be submitted as part of the application. Uh shared parking reductions, again, this is just ways to
be creative. If there's a site that we would need to um address this off streetet parking requirements may be reduced if they collectively serve different uses within the same mixed use development or collectively serve multiple uses across multiple sites
where such collective use of the parking facilities is based on a written agreement that assures the continued and collective use. states the number of parking spaces allocated to each participating use and anticipated peak parking demand days and times for such
uses and that it assures access to and maintenance of the common parking facility counted towards the minimum required parking spaces approved by the planning board. Um, other reductions. A reduction in the calculated parking requirement
may be allowed as deemed appropriate by the planning board through a special permit upon demonstration of the features of the project that reduces automobile dependence for the development. These features may include the provision of on-site dedicated
parking space um for car share vehicles, for example, increased bicycle parking and amenities beyond the requirements of 275-112. on demand shuttle services or other transportation demand management techniques and shall be appropriately
scaled to the scaled to the scale of the development and requested reduction in parking. Um bicycle parking applies to residential components of projects. Projects involving businesses shall also provide adequate exterior um parking of
bicycles for customers and employees. And then additional requirements. Um, oh, this goes on to the additional requirements. So, that's a new section. So, question on parking. I have a question, Meredith. Um, are residents allowed to apply for on street parking
such as on Elliot Street, if there's And so, let's just say um your unit requires more than one parking spot. There are two people with two cars. Will they be able to seek a um a street parking permit? I the cars that I see on Elliot
Street they're currently I don't believe that it goes through the police department the hardship parking so that we would not regulate that. Okay. Um there's been a lot of concern about the how easily it's become to get um
overnight parking passes in some areas. Some areas it's appropriate. Um but again when we're bringing in more residential um that would go that would go through the police department. Okay. So there won't be any designated um resident parking spaces in East Milton
Square. Okay. No. Okay. No. Milton still does not allow overnight parking. Okay. I see some cars on Elliot Street with the red sticker. This is Milton permit parking. Um they have given some. I seen that I was walk I actually walked down there last night and I saw several cars
on the street with the red sticker. There's a few two families um in that area and they they don't have a like one has a driveway but most don't have a lot closest to that building. Right. Yeah. The ones that further going towards um
Yeah. to the right of Milton Hill House. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. So you don't envision that happening in East Milton? I I don't um we really do hope that most provide on-site parking on their and it would encourage them to do
so because I think the existing residences the residential uh the residents who live there are concerned with parking on their streets and blocking their driveways. Absolutely. When using the businesses in East Mountain, right, for sure. Okay. Yeah.
No, it's a just can I ask on that same question? I I actually think that if they're a Milton resident parking spot, I think they have to let them park overnight. I think so. I don't know. I don't know. I just But I could be wrong about that. I've heard that, but it's
anecdotal. But um why don't they put like that's the biggest issue I have with this. Like why, you know, they say the average apartment in in Mass in Boston area has 1.5 cars per unit. Why don't we just force that? Why don't we the 1.5? Yeah. Because like with the
Falcone for example, there's 45 guys based on that math that aren't going to have a home. Mhm. Like why can't we force that? We we definitely used to be more stringent with that. Um in this case we were trying to find a balance
between revitalizing an area, preserving the existing structures and trying to um find alternative solutions for parking. So most developers to make their pro to make their apartments or condos marketable
need to provide ample parking. And so we've almost seen a reverse by developers who have um for example in South Boston a lot of developers were not putting in enough parking and their condos weren't selling. So, we've almost seen developers saying, "You know what?
I'm going to spend all this money building this if I don't have enough parking for my residents and can't guarantee a parking spot." And I know that the buyers and the renters in Milton are going to want they're going to want parking to be included. It's if you're downsizing from your house,
you're going to you're you're going to a condo, you're going to want parking. So, it almost will somewhat self-regulate, but but you I I can park on the street. I hear your point is the issue. Yeah, I know. It's it's so there's an alternative like I don't I think it's
going to be I think it's going to become like Dorchester or the South End where you know you're going to have residential parking and get up sticker and you can never find a parket spot, right? I think that's the future. Well, yeah, we want we want to monitor that and and Yeah. And for businesses, I I
don't I think like I I get it for businesses like Bugus doesn't need parking, I suppose. you know, there's so much people walking from the neighborhood going to it or restaurants or you know, you know, but for residents, I would think you need it, right? That piece. Yeah, I know. It's something we we
discussed and yeah, ended up with at least one, but again, we would, you know, one and a half. I I think there was concern with if you if we required too much parking, it affects sometimes
whether a development will happen or not. So this was the goal was to incentivize revitalization, but it's a it's a balance. So I I definitely hear you. Yeah. And it was presented to us as, you know, the younger generations aren't buying cars. That's not true.
People in their 20s and 30s. No, I I look whether I agree with it or not, this is just an argument that was made by the consultant. By the consultant. Yeah, he's consulting in the city then. That's true. Cambridge Someville, Boston, but it could be something that
Yeah, we can in Quinsey Mil. Yeah, there's no Dorchester MBTA in East have to know this, right? I mean, unless you're teleworking all the time, right? I mean, there's just Yeah. When you look outside your window and there's
a highway right there and they're going to want to drive on it, right? Just like the other end of Granite A. When people wake up, they see the highway, they're going to want to drive. Get on the car and get on North Quinzy and take a train. You're not walking to Butler.
Right. Right. Right. Um so then it it goes on for um the application requirements which again this just clarifies for anyone who's applying what they would need to do shall include a a plan meeting the
meeting the requirements of the site plan specified in 275-12.4 and such other requirements as may be specified by the planning board. Uh the plan shall uh be contained in various sheets all of which after
approval shall be contain the written approval of the planning board and shall be recorded with Norfolk County deeds. So this you all have become familiar with the site plan approval process and approval. Um any relevant special permits shall also be recorded with the
plan at the applicant's expense. The recorded plan shall be part of the site plan approval. The plan shall show the development in all material detail. Any amendments or modifications to the plan shall be approve approved by the planning board and recorded and file or
filed with the registry at the applicant's expense. The applicant shall promptly provide the planning board evidence evidence of recording of each approved plan amendment modification. The applicant shall promptly provide a copy of all recorded or filed documents
to the planning board showing the book and page and document number. Um, if applicable, the application involving a property on which there is a building constructed in or before 1940 shall be referred to the Milton Historical Commission for consideration of its
historical and architectural significance and the desiraability and feasibility of its preservation, rehabilitation or restoration on the propo proposed development. After consideration, the Milton Historical Commission may issue a report which may
include comments and suggestions to the planning board on these matters and any associated matters pertinent to the commissioner's responsibility and the planning board shall consider any such report in its evaluation of the application. Uh if if applicable, an
application involving a property on which there is a building constructed in or before 1940 shall include a narrative description compliance with the secretary of the interior standards with the application materials. Uh, the application shall include a narrative
prepared by the project architect describing the project relative to the historic context of East Milton Square, including a statement of the positive contributions of the project that make the character of East Milton Square business district by preserving its history and strengthening its
streetscape and vitality. The applications shall include a professional include professional studies calculating the impact of the development on the town services on the parking of the East Milton Square business district and adjacent neighborhood streets on traffic in the
district and surrounding areas of the town on existing nearby businesses and on future business development. If there's no material adverse project impact projected, mitigating strategies shall if there is material adverse impact, I'm sorry, mitigating strategies
shall be proposed. Um, the applicant shall include a narrative describing the parking, ride sharing, bicycle storage, and other similar transportation infrastructure elements integrated with the project. In the event in the event
of restaurant use, at least one parking space shall be provided for each I'm sorry, let's go back to that page. Sorry. For the project, the narrative shall include uh discussion of site off-site transportation impacts, including a district parking impact
analysis and traffic impacted analysis for the proposed project. The narrative shall describe potential uh district mitigation that may be proposed to address the impacts identified. The applicant shall include
a narrative describing compliance with the design standards. The application shall include architectural renderings, building elevations in ex an in existing conditions survey with structures retaining walls, parking areas, trees,
topography, existing conti condition photos and site and adjacent properties. Proposed site plan with structures retaining walls. Parking areas topography. Landscape plan and details. Site plan sections with accurate
topographic depiction. building materials specification and other pertinent details regarding the project architecture and site plan. And then again the review fees, this is all sort of just standard for that um application
process. And that is um and notice and procedural requirements set out in 275-13 132 and uh 275-3 and the standard to be used in rendering a decision which these are all
for site plan review for mixeduse development under this section. So this this also has its own site plan under because that was probably a question. How does Yeah. So this is like the AD if you can think about it like the ADU this is its own
world its own it's its own site plan process. So the site plan that it's accountable is what is what is in this document only. Okay. So most of it is is is what exists in the new new document
but it's with with what is contained in here that are the only requirements for this overlay zoning. Could I ask this specific? Yeah, just some like specific stuff. I'm just um uh on section C of
uh application requirements section IC. Um what are the secretary of the interior standards? So it's a commonly used um term for for historic preservation projects. So when Walcott Woods was being uh built on on Upper
Canton Avenue, a lot of those were historic structures. So there's certain standards that you they want you to adhere to. It does not necessarily mean you can't replace windows, you can't do the but it needs to be a certain level that is appropriate for a historic site.
So it's very specific language that's laid out and most but not like hyper not like a hyperized version of it but it's just like no it's not yeah it's a certain certain standards of of quality and consistency with materials and with things that exist and again waivers can
always be granted um for example Walcott Woods they came to us on certain certain things and wanted a slate roof to be changed to an asphalt roof for certain reasons and you know we don't have any slate roofs. We don't have anything to to that level, but really for mostly
facades that window alterations would be consistent with if they're changing out windows that they would be consistent with the existing windows. And I just have one more question. This goes to the end of the document. So, I'm kind of skipping just skipping to the J
section J application review fees. And it was just um uh the planning board may require that an applicant pay a review fee uh reasonable costs for employment of consultants. Is there any examples you can give of that um that
you would think it would be applicable if this is passed like uh just an example? So typical the typical um review fees are engineering. So an engineer would have to evaluate a site for for drainage systems for example. Um
traffic would be another example that we would ask. Um I don't we've never asked for an architectural review of a property. Um it's typically been civil engineering um which are which are the which are the fees to make sure that
it's um its site can um and sometimes a consultant's brought in for construction management um to set up but but more it's for civil engineering um and just a followup when does that become um I don't know I'm kind of like
again I'm very early like that's a like once they come to us and What what usually triggers it is not only just through the planning department, but when it goes through the building department, it will get triggered by the the engineering department, it will get kicked to the engineering department. So
there's multiple people looking at this. So often the engineer peer review or whether it's conservation commission, whatever the it will they will they will ask for a civil engineering um a drainage report. And so because we're
not engineers, that will be Marina Fernandez. She'll Marina will be in her department, the engineering department will actually review that. They'll write a comment letter and they may go back to following that peer review. They'll go back and and say that to the peer
reviewer they need more information. They need something else. So the applicant will be required to provide another level of some sort of engineering um study. So that at that point it it tends to go back and forth between the town engineer and then we
will get a final letter of recommendation saying that it has met all the requirements. But sometimes it's so sometimes it's they it's asked by the conservation commission, sometimes it's asked by marina and then sometimes it's asked by the planning board um for those
reviews and the memory clinic comes to mind. It was a very very wet site and there was a ton of engineering and hydraology and just report after report and I think it was Sean Rearen was our peer reviewer and the guy was super helpful. Sure. Mhm. So like in a project
like of that size um when do the costs become unreasonable? So like where on the hook? So like just say hypothetically like this traffic study cost a million dollars. Yeah. about that like a lot of times there's an existing traffic study which is um is often
utilized for the for an existing traffic study in East Milton that is referred to um they'll have to do sometimes an additional traffic count to update that at certain times of the day. Um maybe they have to look at, you know, working with the town on signalization. For
example, if it's at a I'm just thinking of East Milton Square, you know, they have to have the signal set to, you know, to allow the traffic to flow. So sometimes a traffic engineer will will look at that, but it doesn't tend to be anything excessive. I think most
developers depending on the scale of the it could be a small project but if it's if it's something larger and more significant like 440 granite they have they know they have to have those engineer those studies done. Yeah. So it's like these are part for the course.
I was I was just trying to these are they're very standard. Yeah. I was just trying to think of a circumstance where the developer might be like, uh, yeah, okay, like we can do 75% of that, but like we've never had to do that in any place in the the world before. So, can
can you pay for some of this planning board? Like, and I know that I'm just trying to think of a situation where would be trying to think of a anticipated question. Well, I think they're responsible for bringing the reports forward and then we just review them. Okay. So, I would imagine it's not
I I I can't say for certain, but I don't think would cost would escalate because we're just reviewing their work. Okay. At least that's the way it was with the memory clinic. Yeah. Well, that that's one project that I would think given the location of it that there would be some like pretty um intense studies just in
terms of the geography of the land. So, I guess that answers my question. I guess there really isn't I can't foresee a project much much larger than that in Milton, frankly. Right. Yeah. And not as complicated as that one. Okay. So, thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah.
Does anybody I kind of monopolize? Does anybody else have any questions uh in regards to the second half of the uh of this article or the document as a whole? Um and that would include any comments anybody may have, especially those who
are watching online may have um on this article. There was also a very lengthy piece in the Milton Times about this I can recall a couple of months ago. Yes. And very uh it was very Yeah, that was following the
forum and Josh Fa from MAPC is our consultant and he did a wonderful job. I think some some of the warrant committee members were there and heard the presentation. There was a link sent to you. So, I think if the War Committee members would like to re to watch that,
it really sort of walks through the history and all of the work that's been done to get into this and it um it really was embraced by the East Milton Neighborhood Association, which for us was really important that they felt because this is a this is a big change
and change is not easy um as we all know, but this gave enough protection so I think the the residents who have been wanting to see something this feels like that that it's change but with protections and that I think it's finding that balance that we're looking
for development opportunities. Um but we're we're protecting the neighborhood at the same time. I'll I'll speak for a little bit because I'm an East Milton resident. I've been to most of the meetings and I and I know that the first iteration that MAPC came up with nobody
was happy with. And um I think people really I think people throw the planning board a lot of bombs at you. You get a lot of bombs thrown at you. But I think that everybody was very appreciative of the planning board for stepping up for the neighborhood and the community and
making the changes that they did because I think it's a great improvement over that. So I appreciate heard that feedback. Yeah, most people I did too and I heard that and I feel that too. So I'm really happy with it. Thank you. Great. That's good. Kudos. That's good. And the last two pages are all about the
process. I'm sorry. Um, and one thing that we heard was that that residents wanted to see, you know, with 440, they didn't know what they were getting and until the end. This allows a developer to to come in and read this and say, "Okay, this is potentially what I can do." So, everyone knows what to expect.
So, I think it's going to be super helpful from that angle. Also, not just limiting the height from five stories to three, but having a process that people can understand, developers understand. You can't retro this to 440 though, right? Unfortunately, not. I know. Not
without a time machine. Such a sin. I know. I know. That's You know, 440 will be all right because it it's got road on two sides and then it's got the citizens parking lot. I mean, if there's a place for a monstrosity and hopefully we'll bring
some good commercial base and Yeah. But that didn't have a lot of space for commercial, did it? Yeah. Not as much as it's getting off the express. You know, when you when you think of New England, you know, New England town, like Milton's still a town, which I think people live here because it's a town and they like that, not a city. So, I like
that we're preserving that. But like when I think of a New England town, you think you see a church steeple. Yes. You know what I mean? And on my street in my streets, like 440 is now blocking that church steeple that we used to be able to see for a lot of people. Wow. Yeah.
It will, which is sad. Yeah, I know. So, we got to get to 10% affordable because the threat was 40B. Yeah. Everything we approved, even with the memory clinic, everything backs up to, well, I'm going to go 40B if you don't let me do this. At some point, you push the developer
too far until we get that 10% safe harbor. But the minute you get the 10% you and you add and you add more, then you're always we'll be chasing it for the rest of our lives. We will we will
be a challenge to get ahead. ADUs considered Can they be considered affordable? No. There's no affordable unless you're the noble gentleman who builds an ADU and just, you know, and it actually screws you because of the mix. It probably goes the other way, right? Yeah. A to our housing stock, our
overall housing, but that's up to the discretion of the owner to whatever they want to set. Yeah. So, it's not it doesn't have to be as Yeah. So this is terrific. Any questions that we can answer? You know, please feel free to email if anything comes up. Can
I just ask one other question? So the fruit center lot is a resident is residential res is a residential zone right now that it's actually the the parking lot itself is more on the commercial side. It's
sort of it's a split and the building where the where the um the actual structure that's more res that's residential. So the first parking lot is commercial. Oh and then up top are you talking up top is commercial and then
the parking lot down below where the building is. Yeah. That's that's that's commercial. That well that's part that lot part of that lot is is commercial. Oh really? Mhm. But the backside that ab butts to
Franklin is is that's that's residential including like the row of car of parking spaces along Franklin is that residential the where you go to that where that upper lot is the upper town I'm behind where the
loading docks are. Oh the loading that's residential I believe too and so it's it's what's closer to grant uh granite a right the granite site. Okay, I got you. So that area will stay residential. What's residential is residential and
this overlay? Yes. Would allow that somebody whether if he sold it or anybody else to add mixed they could go up to three stories. They could go up to add a story. Okay. And do retail on the
first floor and residential up above. Okay. But yeah. So, okay. Um, anybody else? Yeah. No, just thank you. And did you all receive the map? Because with all every
time we do an overlay zoning, there's a map. And I'll make sure you all get it because it's basically Mechanic Street all the way up to to the funeral home. But then it does cross over where I met which to include
um which includes the um the bank um citizens. No, across um the Jess building there. I call it the Justin building. Yes. Where Heart Dental Rockland Trust where Rockland Trust is. That's also included. We included that.
We didn't go too far out. We kept it a pretty tight boundary mostly along Granite Street and then up and up to Franklin. Um, so it's a pretty tight map, but I'll make sure you all see the map too. So anything beyond the church, right? Or be even before the church,
it's not part of the open. It's not part of the church. Yeah, we really want and even if a lot was split half because it's interesting, a lot of lots even like residential homes sit half commercial, half residential. So we kept those residential for for the most part.
So is the post office that's included in this post office Juvenville's building physical therapy and I think it stops right there. Yeah. Okay. And then across the street it's right those used to be all single family homes. The Sheldon building really the doctor McDonald
which is those were all a lot of history with the the building of the expressway why those zoning areas were formed and how they were formed and why. That's right. There's that big white house. They have to be owner occupied. Okay. Also, really, they still have to be still occupied.
They're supposed to be with the exception of the Sheldon. Now, Jess building. Mhm. It's interesting. It's really interesting how that all formed in that area. Right. Well, the train used to run by there. That was the train depot, right? That's I know. Which would have
been nice to have a little train there. Um there was just one thing I just wanted to just reiterate Jay's point from the very early on just about the the shall yes and the master. So we'll we'll address that. Um and just I think that was yeah that was just the one
thing I just wanted to um and um I I just noted um there was just a couple of typos. Okay. There was um what page is that?
One on page eight um paragraph E. Parking restrictions just a space issue with on-site and the hyphen page paragraph E. Yeah, just the middle of it. These features
may include the provision of an onsite site. I'm not seeing E and page. Yeah, I'm not either. E, H E. Oh, page. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry.
So, under E, other parking restrictions. Yeah, it's just the on the word onsite with the space and then um I'm sorry, could you read that? It's the fourth line down or the the fifth line down. Other parking reductions. The fourth
one, these features may include the provision of on-site dedicated parking space. Yeah, it's space. This says on hyphen space site. We don't have that on ours. What kinds?
Okay, you don't. And then you might have had it because we did correct a few typos that maybe you got a then you probably already so onsite. So we have the provision of on-site dedicated parking space
and on-site has no space that should be foresight. Okay. But on site is hyphenated in ours also. Okay. But onsite parking. Yeah. And then I had one other very small one. You probably corrected this. It's in the following page. Page nine under.
So there you guys must have an old draft cuz your number is Yeah, your number is a little bit different. Okay. The numbers are wrong. different the So we're now on page 10. IB is on page 10. What happened? Okay. I don't know. So I Okay. It's the paragraph that starts Well, they all
started if applicable. This is the 1940 paragraph. Yep. Refer to the Milton Historical Commission for consideration of its historical architectural significance. Few more lines down, you have the word planning board. You have an extra space in there. And that's
probably been corrected already. Is it um it's one, two, three. It's four lines from the bottom. After consideration, the Milton Historical Commission may issue a report which may include comments and suggestions to the planning board on these matters and any associated matters. Yes. Pertinent to
the commissioner's responsibility and the and the planning board shall consider any such report in its evaluation. So on ours that first reference to planning board, it's planning on one line and then board on the other. So the extra space doesn't show up. Yeah. So it's been corrected. Okay, that was all just two very second
planning where I have the same space left. It's justified the margins. It's the it's makes it Yeah. Yeah. When it's justified. The margins here are justified. You're going to end up having extra spaces which I think that's the reason because it's justified margin. That's weird. You guys have a different Yeah. Because there's a lot of there's a
lot of extra spaces throughout the document. Oh, it's the justified justified margin which is what I use. So maybe because it's in if it was pulled from our it could have been an old document that was fine. It's so I'll make sure that the f
you just have a fresh copy. So that the warrant it has the fresh copy more importantly. Yeah, I hope so. Should you read the whole thing again to be sure it's right? We can Yeah, exactly. We I because we read it the filibuster the warrant committee. Yeah, but you're
right though. Some of the um Yeah, but it's a good I think it's something that Yeah, the the neighbors and the other thing to mention, Josh feel um our the consultant is going to be presenting a town meeting. So, he'll walk through it and he is the one who helped us draft
this language. So, if there's any confusion, he's very good at clarifying, too. I like it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. See any hands raised? So, thank you very much. We will vote on this. I think on a future meeting probably
next week. Okay. So, once you get us that final clean copy, great. For our review, um we'll vote um we'll we'll have a vote on it. So, and also Okay. And we'll make sure you have that map, too, cuz that's important. Thank you. Great. Okay, that's it. Thank you so
much. Thank you very much for coming. Thanks for your patience. It was a pleasure. Okay. A lot of work they've put into this um in several years now. We've been hearing a lot about it. Um and it is a dense document. There's a lot in here. A
lot of good things in here. We'd like to have a maybe a brief discussion about this. Members at home. Well done. Anybody Anybody have any uh thing they'd like to discuss? It's contained. And I include the flood plane, too. But
really, the overlay. I think it's awesome. I think it's I do too. Great work by the everybody. It's well done. And the fact that the neighbors are all in support is a miracle of miracles. Um, Meredith, can I
stop you before you walk out? This This was a unanimous decision by the planning board, correct? Yes, definitely. I just wanted to get that on the record for us. Yeah. So, thank you very much. Good. Thank you. Thank you. And all the all the information, the survey, every everything is online is on the plane
website. So, thank you for all your work. Have a good night. Sorry, Laura. Oh, no. I Yeah. No, I think that's good. I think that it's great that I remember going to one of the very early meetings thinking, "Oh, this is going to be
terrible." I remember. Yeah. So, I think that's great. Yeah, there was I I've been to a number of meetings and uh I would say people are happy with the evolution of it and they felt like they listened to what the neighbors concerns were, which doesn't always happen, but I
shouldn't say that, but I think it did. It was people were pleased with the outcome on it, and I think it enhances the downtown. So, Brian, I I watched a bunch of them, too. like um when people were just giving the overlay props, it was EMA, but the were these also like
individual people who were at the hearing who were just coming forward being like, "This is great." Or was it EMA or was it a combination of the two? Uh no, it was just neighbors. Okay. It was just the neighbors. Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's good. And it's really good.
Um anybody have anything at home? Jay or anybody? Julie. Um, no. I revisit this when they get us a clean copy back. Um, which will be next week. Um, and we
can uh we can have a vote on it at that time. But I'm I'm not as a chair, I'm not seeing any problems with this document from any member at this point. Okay. Yeah, looks great. I think it's great. Okay, Tom.
Okay, Tom, can you hear me? I can hear you, Judy. Oh, thank you. Good. Um, so this is for the June meeting, correct? And do you anticipate anything else being um presented for the June
town meeting? MBTA. Okay. and uh maybe a historical bylaw. Okay. But uh I received an email. They're they're trying to keep it as light as
possible for the June meeting. Yeah. A one night affair. Yes. And but we will be seeing the lighting bylaw in May. So we still have that one other article that we have to deal with.
do not I kind of am looking at the bottom of my computer and it says 4:23 and we know that the um town meeting is you know the first week of
May. Um do you know when we might see the lighting bylaw? Um their language is being revised as we speak. Um I have been unable to secure a speaker uh both an expert to opine on
lumens. I actually reached out to two people. Uh two people have not responded to me and this was over two weeks ago. Um in addition to that uh we will not have any member of the select board at this time to come down and present the article to us.
So, I'm I'm hoping to get to speak to our town administrator and uh get some more information maybe through town council, but um the I'm not going to have no one from the select board I think at this point is going to be presenting to us.
Is it um I think it's my understanding and I probably need to be corrected um that the article itself came from the select board. Yes.
So, I guess that goes to the question. Um, it seems odd that they would not come and clue us in, if you will. Yeah, it's helpful, Judy, as you know, you've been on here for three years. just having someone coming down and
talking about it and giving you know their thought process their analysis the origins you know those types of things I think are very important when we're advising town meeting and I think really
stepping inside the head of the author or the individual who is really creating the product uh is very helpful to us and it's actually you know disappointing to a degree when uh we don't have that guidance as a unelected appointed board.
Um but I'll do my best Judy and see what I can do to agitate. All right. Thank you. Um Tom, can can I ask a question? Sure. Did the select board vote for the lighting? Have it's just been like did they they never voted on it? They don't and they
don't need to. Like they don't. Oh, I thought they had to in order to propose. Well, they they they vote to put it on. They don't vote. They don't necessarily agree for approval or um frequent times
on the floor town meeting that they've been asked to vote on things to give their recommendations. Um so they at that point they're kind of forced to make um a recommendation, but like we said, their vote was just to put it on the warrant. Yeah. Okay. probably sound like
a broken record on this, but like but I hope I you know I will but like it it seems like the last town meeting that we had when people put forth articles that weren't vetted like we had the thing with the taking away the legal fees and
we had the thing citizens petitions. We couldn't get uh we couldn't get anybody to and the lighting the same thing. We couldn't get anybody to discuss it, so we never delved into it. And then it just flounded at the town meeting and wasted a lot of people's time and then it got
right, you know, changed and or taken out completely. I thought it was withdrawn, wasn't it? It was initially withdrawn and now it's alive again. Yeah, it's going to it's going to be coming back to us. The the select cells do a little work on this, but I am now going outside my guard rails on the
agenda. Okay. We're discussing we're discussing the thing. So, I I appreciate it. And Judy, I appreciate what you said and I I obviously ran with it, but it's not something You're right. It's not on your agenda talking about. But I know what you're saying.
Um, yeah. Well, Tom, can I Yeah. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but maybe this will help you in your endeavors. I'm I'm I'm reading the town of Milton bylaws as I enjoy doing and it says it
it shall be the duty of the warrant committee to inform themselves concerning those affairs interest of the town blah blah blah and then it says the officers of the town shall upon their request furnish meaning us shall upon the warrant committee's requests furnish
them with facts figures and other information pertaining to their several departments. Now, you know, is the select board officer at the town? I don't know. Is anyone going to arrest the select board if they don't talk to us? No. But, uh, it's just one more thing we can point to
that says, hey, the bylaws of the town say people are supposed to talk to us. Um, and I know I'm preaching to the choir and I know you're doing your best. So, no, Jay, I I I prefer you are doing your best. Yeah. And I appreciate you mentioning that, Jay. And I don't I
don't think that the information we're looking at is going to be injurous to the town or its citizens. In fact, it's going to be helpful. Um, you know, when we're we're really going after people's pocketbooks here, I think. Do you have the bylaws
memorized? You you Yeah, Jay, this is you're talking to a bylaw committee veteran. All right. All right. But that's the thing, Jay. And like I said, I appreciate you bringing it up at the meeting um in that language because
that's why it's just kind of uh difficult and it's disappointing um because we got to give the best information to town meeting and when we start at zero um it's it's kind of hard especially given the time crunch we're
in. But we will persevere. I know we will. And I appreciate you bringing that up. Okay. Um, okay. So, I know the future meetings have always been a question. Um, I've been working with Meredith um
for MBTA. I was looking to really kind of push them to come in next week. They most likely will not be available next week to do this. And then we have town meeting starts on Tuesday.
So, so then we have the excuse me, um on the 5th. So, then we have So, then we have meetings during the night, the town meeting, and we can't meet. So, um we're going to have to figure that out. I We're going to need to have
meetings next week. Uh at least as to the lighting bylaw. Yeah, we we got to have a meeting next week about it and we have to vote on it. So, uh, just keep your eyes out on the calendar. Monday, Tuesday, maybe Thursday, depending on when a speaker, if I can get one is
available or somebody. Are we going to still I'm sorry to interrupt. Are we going to still meet even though we're unable to get a speaker to come in? We need to meet and vote on it because we need the green sheet. We need the comment and the green sheet to be submitted. Don't we need the art the
article if they're also the article, too? I know. And they're changing it again. So, Again, my frustration on the last correspondence I spent everybody like I didn't have anything to even look at. And they want this on May 5th, not in June. Yes, this is on May 5th. And it
was originally, as I said a couple of months ago. Jay, you can correct me. This was on the June agenda and then it slid over to May. So, um, it's what the select board wants. So, we have to deal with it. So, we just need to vote so I can we can craft a
good comment. the best we can and get it to make Moana. Okay. The town. Okay. Um I don't see any hands raised. It's nine o'clock. This could be a war committee record. Motion. Um second to Okay. We
have a motion for Macy to adjurnn. Before I ask for a second, which I have already gotten, um does anybody have any questions, concerns, or anything regarding the planning board articles that we've looked at tonight?
I don't see any hands raised. Uh, no member here. So, we have a motion to adjurnn by Macy. Do I hear a second? Oh, I'll second that. Second. Thank you everybody from Judy. Um, second. The meeting is adjourned. Thank you, Warren Committee. Thank you. Thank
you, Chair. Wow. Rip it.