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[ GAVEL ] >> GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR MAY 19, 2026. MY NAME IS AISHA CHUGHTAI AND I'M THE VICE CHAIR FOR THIS COMMITTEE. CHAIR CHUGHTAI IS OUT OF STATE ON

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BUSINESS MATTERS. I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING AND ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL TO VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE IS ABSENT. WONSLEY. >> PRESENT. >> VETAW. >> PRESENT. >> WARREN. >> PRESENT.

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>> OSMAN. >> PRESENT. >> SHAFFER. >> PRESENT. >> STEVENSON. >> PRESENT. >> CHAVEZ. >> PRESENT. >> WHITING. >> PRESENT. >> PALMISANO. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> PRESENT. >> AND CHAIR CHOWDHURY IS ABSENT. THERE ARE 11 MEMBERS PRESENT.

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>> THANK YOU, CLERK. AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING TODAY, I WANT TO OFFER A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO ALL MEMBERS, STAFF AND THE PUBLIC THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE BROADCAST LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THESE

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BRDCASTS INCLUDE REAL-TIME CAPTIONING AS A FURTHER METHOD TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS TO THE COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL

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SPEAKERS TO PLEASE MODERATE THE SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENTS. COLLEAGUES, OUR AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING IS BEFORE US, AND I WILL BRIEFLY EXPLAIN ITS ORDER. FIRST, WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE REPORTS OF OUR STANDING COMMITTEES, THEN MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, THEN OUR

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DISCUSSION AGENDA, AND LASTLY, OUR RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ORDER OR AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO TODAY'S AGENDA? PLEASE MAKE SURE

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TO USE SPEAKER MANAGEMENT. WHILE I WAIT TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY AMENDMENTS, I HAVE ONE AMENDMENT TO THIS AGENDA TO WALK ON. A RELATED -- THAT'S A WALK ON RELATED TO A REQUEST BY STAFF

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FOR GRANT APPLICATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY DEPARTMENT. YOU SHOULD HAVE COPIES OF THE REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION, THAT'S RCA NUMBER 2026-00595. AND STAFF ARE ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'M GOING

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TO MOVE TO ADD THIS TO PART OF OUR CONSENT AGENDA. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS. SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE JEND AS I'VE AMENDED? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

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>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE AYES HAVE IT AND THAT MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE WILL BEGIN WITH OUR STANDING COMMITTEE REPORTS AND START WITH THE ENTERPRISE AND LABOR

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RELATIONS COMMITTEE CHAIRED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, THE ELR COMMITTEE HAS 12 ITEMS. ITEM 1 IS AN ETHICS EDUCATION ORDINANCE. ITEM 2 ARE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WITH THE

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MINNEAPOLIS PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION. ITEM 3 IS A BID FOR PUBLIC SERVICE BUILDING ELEVATOR REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. ITEM 4 IS A BID FOR TRAFFIC MAINTENANCE FACILITIES RE-ROOFING PROJECT. ITEM 5 IS A CONTRACT WITH BARRY, DUNN,

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MCNEIL AND PARKER FOR SERVICES. ITEM 6 IS A CONTRACT WITH HCM ARCHITECTS FOR ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES. THAT'S FOR OUR WATER

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DISTRIBUTION. ITEM 7, COMPENSATION CLAIM. ITEM 8 IS WORKER'S COMPENSATION CLAIM OF KRISTINA SCHMIDT. ITEM 9 IS CLAIM OF STAFFAN SWANSON. ITEM

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10 -- ITEM 11 -- ITEM 12 IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCEROM THE PUBLIC RIGHTS PROJECT AND SAFER COMMUNITIES INITIATIVE FOR MEMBERS OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO ATTEND A CONFERENCE THAT HAPPENS TO BE HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. I'LL BE HAPPY TO STAND FOR QUESTIONS.

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>> THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE ENTERPRISE AND LABOR RELATIONS COMMITTEE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING COMMITTEE WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED BY CHAIR OSMAN.

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>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THE BHZ COMMITTEE WILL BE BRINGING 13 ITEMS ON THURSDAY'S COUNCIL

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MEETING. ITEM ONE CAFE HARMONY. ITEM TWO IS -- ITEM 4 APPROVES HUD ACTION PLAN. ITEM 5 APPROVES FIVE LIQUOR LICENSE. ITEM 6

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APPROVES 10 LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS. ITEM 7 APPROVES GAMBLING LICENSE. ITEM 8 IS STREET RENAMING CHANGING CESAR

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CHAVEZ AVENUE. ITEM 10 APPROVES BUDGET FOR MUSIC. ITEM 11 MacFAIL CENTER FOR MUSIC. LASTLY, ITEM 13 APPROVES

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REZONING FOR 1914 WASHINGTON AVENUE. WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING

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COMMITTEE REPORT? I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN. >> I AM JUST RECUSING MYSELF FROM ITEM 9 FROM THE BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING COMMITTEE REPORT. >> WONDERFUL. ON THURSDAY, COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN WILL BE

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RECUSING HERSELF FROM ITEM 9 ON THIS REPORT. I'M NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO WE WILL MOVE TO OUR NEXT COMMITTEE REPORT, WHICH IS THE CLIMATE AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE THAT WILL BE PRESENTED BY ITS CHAIR,

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CHAIR WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I WILL ACTUALLY ASK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON AND MY VICE CHAIR GIVE THE REPORT SINCE HE PRESIDED OVER THAT MEETING. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THE C

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AND I COMMITTEE HAS THREE ITEMS. ONE IS APPROVING -- THREE, APPROVING THE ANNUAL SALOON PRIDE BLOCK PTY EVENT PERMIT. FOUR, APPROVING THE TASTE OF

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MINNESOTA BLOCK EVENT PERMIT. FIVE APPROVING THE MINNESOTA UFC SOCCER CELEBRATION COMMERCIAL BLOCK PERMIT. -- PARK AND

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RECREATION BOARD FOR THE LAKE HARRIET PARKWAY AND WILLIAM BERRY PARKWAY RECONSTRUCTION. SEVEN RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE MINNESA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE NICOLET AVENUE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT OVER

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I94 PROJECT. NINE ACCEPTING SOUL BID FOR HEAVY TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT BODY WORK. 10 CONTRACT FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. 11, AUTHORIZING A

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CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH MINGER CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, INCORPORATED, FOR THE COMBINED SEWER OVERFLOWS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 12 AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH WSB LLC FOR 35th AVENUE NORTH FLOOD

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MITIGATION PROJECT. 13, AUTHORIZING A GRANT APPLICATION FOR FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRA CAMDEN RAILROAD GRADE SEPARATION PROJECT, AND THE COMMITMENT OF LOCAL FUNDS FOR THE APPLICATION. 14, APPROVING PAUL WU FOR

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APPOINTMENTS TO THE LYNDALE-LAKE SPECIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD. THAT HAS AN EARLY SIGNATURE REQUEST FROM THE

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MAYOR. APPROVING JASON KRAMBER FOR APPOINTMENT OF THE UPTOWN SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD THAT ALSO HAS AN EARLY SIGNATURE REQUESTED BY THE MAYOR. 16, RESOLUTIONS RELATED TO THE LEAD

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SERVICE LINE REPLACEMENT ORDERS. 17, STORMWATER ANNUAL REPORT AND AUTHORIZING PUBLIC WORKS TO SUBMIT THE ANNUAL REPORT TO THE MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY. I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, ARE THERE ANY

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QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE CLIMATE AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE REPORT? I AM NOT SEEING ANY. SO FINALLY, WE WILL GET A REPORT FROM THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND EQUITY COMMITTEE PRESENTED

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BY ITS CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND EQUITY COMMITTEE WILL BE BRINGING FORTH 16 ITEMS. ITEM 1 AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT WITH FOREST LAKE SPORTSMEN'S CLUB.

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ITEM TWO AUTHORIZES CONTRACT AMENDMENTS WITH AGE AND ASSOCIATES, INC., AND GBR INC. FOR INTERPRETING AND TRANSLATION SERVICES. ITEM 3 AUTHORIZES A CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR REMOTE

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INTERPRETING SERVICES. ITEM 4 AUTHORIZES THE SUBMITTAL OF A GRANT. ITEM 5 ACCEPTS AN ASPCA NORTHERN TIER SHELTER INITIATIVE

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GRANT FOR SPAY AND NEUTER TRAINING. ITEM 6 -- ITEM 7 IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE. ITEM 8 IS A

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GIFT ACCEPTANCE FROM NEW MEXICO TECH. ITEM 10 IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE FROM THE MINNEAPOLIS FIRE FOUNDATION. ITEM 11 AUTHORIZES A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT. ITEM 12 APPROVES A

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RENTAL DWELLING LICENSE REINSTATEMENT FOR 4010 DUPONT AVENUE NORTH, OWNER REILLY O'NEIL. AND 13 -- EARLY SIGNATURE IS REQUESTED.

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ITEM 14 AUTHORIZES A SPONSOR KENNEL PROGRAM FOR MINNEAPOLIS ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL. ITEM 15 APPRES LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE RELATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PARTICIPATION ON THE HOMELAND SECURITY TASK FORCE. AND ITEM 16 APPROVES LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE

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RELATED TO POLICE POLICY AND PROCEDURES QUARTERLY REPORTS. I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND EQUITY COMMITTEE REPORT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL NOW

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MOVE TO THE REST OF OUR AGENDA. THERE ARE FIVE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY. BUT WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WILL MOVE

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ITEM 2 TO OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA, AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH ITEM 2 WHEN WE GET TO OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA. ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 1 IS APPROVING FOUR SEATS TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. ITEM

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NUMBER 3 IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE FROM THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS FOR THE MAYOR. ITEM 4 IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE FROM THE JEWISH DEMOCRATIC COUNCIL OF AMERICA, ALSO FOR THE MAYOR. AND

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ITEM NUMBER 5 IS A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE OFFICE OF JUVENILE JUSTICE AND DELINQUENCY PREVENTION FOR YOUTH GANG PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION. I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE

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CONSENT AGENDA, MINUS ITEM 2. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? >> SECOND. >> SEEING -- IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I WILL ASK ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO PLEASE

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SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE AYES HAVE IT AND THAT MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE WILL BE TURNING TO OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA. WE WILL BEGIN

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WITH ITEM 1 ON OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA, WHICH IS SUPPORTING ALLISON'S LAW, WHICH WAS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?

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>> YES. CHAIR CHUGHTAI, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE ITEM THAT WAS ADDED AS A WALK-ON. DID WE ADD IT TO CONSENT? >> MM-HMM. YOU WON'T SEE IT ON THE PRINTED AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S A WALK-ON. >> THANKS, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. COLLEAGUES, I AM ASKING FOR YOUR

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SUPPORT ON THIS RESOLUTION CALLING ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO PASS ALLISON'S LAW. I WILL NOTE THIS ISSUE IS STILL RELEVANT AND WE STILL NEED SOME HELP FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE. I HOPE THAT THIS RESOLUTION AND THIS LEGISLATION AT THE STATE

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CAPITAL BECOMES A PRIORITY FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. A LITTLE BACKGROUND. THIS LEGISLATION WOULD REQUIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, CORONERS, AND MEDICAL EXAMINERS TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTIONS IN DEATHS CLASSIFIED AS SUICIDE, OVERDOSE

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OR ACCIDENT WHEN RED FLAGS ARE INDICATED. BY TAKING THIS STEP, WE ARE ASKING THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO PREVENT WHAT HAPPENED TO ALLISON STATEWIDE.

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THIS RESOLUTION ITSELF DOES NOT ABSOLVE THE CITY FROM RESPONSIBILITY OF TAKING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERIOUSLY, AS WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING SOLUTIONS. AND WE NEED TO OVHAUL THE WAY WE INVESTIGATE

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DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. WE MOVED FORWARD ON LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE REQUESTING QUARTERLY UPDATES ON THE AFTER ACTION REVIEWS RELATING TO ALLISON AND DAVIS MA

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MOTURI. IF APPROVED ON THURSDAY, THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND EQUITY COMMITTEE WILL BE TRACKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IDENTIFIED IN THE AUDIT REPORT, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE CHANGES RECOMMENDED IN THE AUDITOR'S REPORT. THAT IS THE ROLE THE

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PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND EQUITY COMMITTEE WILL BE TAKING ON. TOO OFTEN WE REPORT STUDIES ABOUT WHAT WE WRONG AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. TOO IMPORTANT TO BE FORGOTTEN, AND THEY REQUIRE FOLLOW-UP AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

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ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FUNCTIONS OF THIS BODY, OF THE CITY COUNCIL, IS TO PROVIDE ACCOUNTABILITY AND OVERSIGHT IN THESE CAS, AND MANY OTHERS WHO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. AND THE COUNTLESS ACTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING IS A PART OF THAT. IN ADDITION TO THE ACTIONS WE'RE TAKING AS A CITY, IT IS

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CRITICAL THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSES ALLISON'S LAW SO ENSURE THAT JUSTICE WILL BE SURE ON BEHALF OF VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND COLLEAGUES, I'M ASKING FOR YOUR UNANIMOUS SUPPORT ON THIS TODAY, AND WOULD LIKE A ROLL CALL.

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>> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ HAS REQUESTED A ROLL CALL VOTE THIS ITEM. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOUR LEADERSHIP, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, FOR BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION FORWARD AND SUPPORTING THE FAMILY OF ALLISON

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LUSSIER AS THEY CONTINUE THE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE FOR THEIR LOVED ONE, WHO SHOULD STILL BE WITH US TODAY. AND I'M ALSO PROUD TO BE A CO-AUTHOR ON THIS RESOLUTION, AND VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BILL. AND I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE THE STATE HELP US

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PUT IN STRICTER GUARDRAILS BECAUSE DESPITE THE ENDLESS PROMISES OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE NOT DOING BETTER FOR VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND WE RECEIVED A PRETTY CLEAR AUDIT REPORT THAT OUTLINED THOSE MANY SHORTCOMINGS. I WANT TO NAME IN

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PARTICULAR THAT WHILE THOSE SHORTCOMINGS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF COUNTLESS VICTIMS THAT WE DON'T KNOW THEIR NAME, WE KNOW THEY'RE PARTICULARLY TRUE FOR THOSE WHO ARE INDIGENOUS AND WHO ARE BLACK. SO WE STILL SEE THE

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DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS OF OUR ONGOING FAILURES WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DELIVER SAFETY FOR ALL. AND THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE WE COULD ABSOLUTELY USE CONTINUED SUPPORT FROM THE STATE, AND REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HOLDING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND AGENCIES ALL

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ACROSS THE STATE TO DO BETTER BY VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SO THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO ALLISON LUSSIER AND HER FAMILY DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN TO ANOTHER ONE. AND WE CAN BE ON THE UPSTREAM OF THINGS AS OPPOSED TO RESPONDING

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TO THE DOWNSTREAM OF LIFE OF SOMEONE WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN. AND THIS RESOLUTION I WOULD HOPE NOT JUST REAFFIRM MY COMMITMENT, AND I KNO THAT OF COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ AND SO MANY OF US WHO HAVE BEEN DOING

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OUR BEST TO PUSH WHAT'S POSSIBLE IN OUR POSITIONS OF MAKING SURE ACCOUNTABILITY CAN BE HAD FOR COUNTLESS VICTIMS. I'M HOPING THAT THIS RESOLUTION REAFFIRMS THE COLLECTIVE COMMITMENT OF THIS ENTIRE BODY TO TAKE THE

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CONCRETE ACTIONS WE CAN TO ENSURE ALL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS, ESPECIALLY INDIGOUS WOMEN, BLACK WOMEN, RECEIVE THE SUPPORT AND SERVICES AND CARE THAT THEY DESERVE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, AND THANK YOU TO THE

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FAMILY OF ALLISON LUSSIER AND SO MANY OTHER VICTIMS JOINING US TODAY AND KEEPING OUR FEET BY THE FIRE TO DO BETTER BY OUR RESIDENTS. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ FOR BRINGING THIS

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FORWARD, AND TO THE FAMILY FOR CONTINUING TO FIGHT FOR YOUR LOVED ONE. WE KNOW IN MINNEAPOLIS THAT VICTIMSF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE REPEATEDLY ARE FAILED TO BE PROTECTED BY

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MPD. MANY REPORTS HAVE BORNE THIS OUT. THE CONSENT DECREE CALLS OUT SPECIFICALLY THE WAYS THAT MPD HAS FAILED THE NATIVE COMMUNIT AND THIS RESOLUTION, AND IF THIS LAW PASSES AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WOULD MOVE US IN A BETTER DIRECTION. I

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STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION AND WOULD BE ASKED TO BE ADDED AS A CO-AUTHOR, IF THAT' ALL RIGHT. >> OF COURSE. IF THE CLERKS CAN HELP. >> CLERKS HAVE THAT NOTED. I'M NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SO I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM AND ASK

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FOR A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> AYE. >> VETAW. >> AYE. >> WARREN. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> AYE.

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>> SHAFFER. >> AYE. >> STEVENSON. >> AYE. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> WHITING. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> AYE. >> AND VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE 11 AYES.

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>> THAT MOTION CARRIES. NEXT, WE WILL MOVE TO THE COMMUNITY SAFETY TRAINING AND WELLNESS CENTER FINANCING AND ACQUISITION ITEM. I WILL REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS ITEM LAST ON MARCH 24TH AND

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26th, AND REFERRED IT BACK TO STAFF. STAFF ARE READY TO COME BACK TO US. I WILL INVITE DIRECTOR BARBARA O'BRIEN FROM THE PROPERTY SERVICES DEPARTMENT

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TO COME UP AND PRESENT SOME MORE DETAILS ON THIS ITEM. WELCOME.

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>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, VICE CHAIR

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CHUGHTAI AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BARBARA O'BRIEN AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS THE DIRECTOR OF PROPERTY SERVICES FOR THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE

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MEMBERS OF THE PROPERTY SERVICES TEAM THAT ARE HERE WITH ME TODAY. MATT HANNON, PROPERTY SERVICES REAL ESTATE MANAGER, AND RAY DEAN, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER. I'M ALSO JOINED BY MY

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COLLEAGUE, LIAM O'BRIEN, FROM THE CITY'S BUDGET OFFICE. THE REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY CONCERNS THE FINANCING AND ACQUISITION OF THE

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PROPOSED SITE FOR THE CONCEPT OF A COMMUNITY SAFETY TRAINING AND WELLNESS CENTER. THIS REQUEST WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE ON MARCH 24TH OF THIS YEAR, AND SUBSEQUENTLY REFERRED BACK TO STAFF FOR FURTHER

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REFINEMENT AND RESEARCH. THIS PRESENTATION AIMS TO ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING THREE KEY AREAS: THE PROJECT CONCEPT BACKGROUND AND

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INTENT, SITE LOCATION AND ACQUI PROPOSED FINANCING FOR THE SITE ACQUISITION. IN 2018, THE NEED

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FOR A MODERNIZED AND FLEXIBLE TRAINING FACILITY WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THE FACILITY WAS INITIALLY CONCEPTUALIZED TO PRIMARILY SUPPORT THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT. HOWEVER, IN 2021,

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WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY, THE CORE VISION FOR THIS PROJECT WAS REVISED TO ENCOMPASS A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL TRAINING FAC

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EMERGENCY RESPONSE DEPARTMENTS. IN LATE 2021, GENERAL SITE CRITERIA WAS IDENTIFIED, AND A SITE SEARCH BEGAN IN 2022. SINCE THAT TIME, EXTENSIVE EFFORT HAS

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BEEN MADE TO IDENTIFY POSSIBILITIES FOR LOCATING A FACILITY OF THIS TYPE AND NATURE. IN THE FALL OF 2025, A SITE WAS IDENTIFIED. NEGOTIATIONS TOOK PLACE, AND THE

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CITY UTILIZED A THIRD PARTY TO PERFORM AN OPINION OF VALUES PRIOR TO MAKING AN OFFER ON THIS PROPERTY. AND SUBSEQUENTLY, ENTERING INTO A LETTER OF INTENT IN LATE SEPTEMBER. SINCE THAT

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TIME, THE OWNER WORKED TO MEET THE CITY'S REQUEST TO RESOLVE A RAIL SPUR ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN COMPLETE. SINCE THIS ACQUISITION WAS LAST DISCUSSED

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IN THIS COMMITTEE, THE OWNERS HAVE COMMUNICATED A DEADLINE FOR TRANSITIONING FROM THE LETTER OF INTENT TO THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT. IF WE CANNOT ADVANCE THAT TRANSITION I MAY, THE LETTER OF INTENT WILL BECOME

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NULL AND VOID, AND WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THIS SITE FOR CITY DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE IS LOCATED

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AT 146 60th STREET WEST. IT'S IN WARD 11. IT IS PART OF THE WYNDHAM NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SITE IS MADE UP OF FIVE PARCELS, TOTALING 4.77 ACRES. WHILE

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MOSTLY OPEN AND HARDSKAEPD, OR PAVED, THERE IS ONE SECTION ON THE SOUTHEAST SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. THE EXISTING BUILDING WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THE SITE REDEVELOPMENT. THE

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PURCHASE PRICE FOR THIS SITE IS $6 MILLION. AND WITH AN ESTIMATED CLOSING COST OF $100,000. THERE ARE TWO OTHER SITES CURRENTLY ON THE MARKET THAT ARE COMPARABLE IN SIZE AND ZONING. ONE IS ALSO IN WARD 11.

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IT IS ALSO LISTED AT 4.77 ACRES, AND HAS AN ASKING PRICE OF $9.9 MILLION. THE OTHER IS IN NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS AT JUST OVER 5 ACRES AND HAS A LISTED

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ASKING PRICE OF $10.5 MILLION. SHOULD WE RECEIVE APPROVAL TO ADVANCE WITH THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, THE FOLLOWING STEPS COULD BE EXPECTED: THE SIGNING OF THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND INITIAL DEPOSIT WILL INITIATE A

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DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. THIS IS A 90-DAY SPAN THAT ALLOWS FOR INSPECTIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS, AND FURTHER SITE SURVEYING. LEGAL REVIEW, TITLE WORK, AND FINALIZATION OF CONTRACT DOCUMENTS WILL LEAD TO

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A FINAL CLOSING. FUNDING THE REMAINING BALANCE, TITLE TRANSFER, AND FINALLY, THE POSSESSION OF THEITE ANTICIPATED TO TAKE PLACE IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. THE

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PROJECT CONCEPT INTENT IS TO DEVELOP THE CITY'S FIRST COMMUNITY SAFETY TRAINING AND WELLNESS CENTER. THE CORE VISION FOR THIS CENTER IS TO SERVE AS A VITAL RESOURCE FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS DEDICATED TO

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ENSURING COMMUNITY SAFETY. THESE DEPARTMENTS INCLUDE 911, THE MINNEAPOLIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, CRISIS RESPONSE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY. IT IS ENVISIONED THAT

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THE KEY FEATURES WILL INCLUDE FLEXIBLE ADULT LEARNING SPACES, MODERN TRAINING SPACES, CROSS-COLLABORATIVE SPACES THAT DO NOT EXIST TODAY, AND DEDICATED SPACES FOR WELLNESS AND RELIENCE. CURRENTLY,

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TRAINING FOR THESE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OCCUR IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS THAT ARE DISCONNECTED FROM ONE ANOTHER. SEVERAL THAT ARE LEASED SPACES. THE C OR SPECIAL OPERATION CENTER, IS

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CURRENTLY SOLELY SERVING THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT IS LOCATED IN A FACILITY THAT STARTED ITS LIFE AS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN 1962. AND IS LOCATED WHIN RESIDENTIAL

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NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR MANY YEARS, THE CITY HAS LEASED THIS SPACE AND HAS REALIZED RISING LEASE COSTS AS WELL AS OPERATIONAL COSTS. ONE OPERATIONAL COST OF NOTE IS THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION

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COST OF THIS FACILITY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE FACILITIES IN OUR PORTFOLIO TO HEAT AND COOL DUE TO ITS AGED STRUCTURAL OFFERINGS AND OUR INABILITY TO MODIFY MECHANICAL

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SUPPLIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE LEASE FEES WILL INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE LEASE THAT IS SET TO EXPIRE IN 2029. SHOULD WE NOT HAVE A STRATEGY IN PLACE, WE CAN ANTICIPATE ADDITIONAL PRICE INCREASES WITH LITTLE CHANGES

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THAT AFFECT OVERALL YEARLY COSTS AT THIS LOCATION. THIS SLIDE DEMONSTRATES A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY SERVICES PROCESS OF CAPITAL

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PROJECT DEVELOPMENT. AS REFERENCED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, THE INITIAL STEP IS THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE PROJECT CONCEPT. THIS IS WHEN THE PROJECTBJECTIVES AND FEASIBILITY ARE DEFINED, AS WELL

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AS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CORE VISION FOR THE PROJECT. THIS INITIATES SITE SEARCHES, ZONING, ACCESSIBILITY AND MARKETABILITY ARE CONSIDERED. FOR THIS INITIATIVE, THESE STEPS HAVE BEEN COMPLETE. WE ARE NOW AT THE

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THIRD STEP, SITE ACQUISITION. PLEASE NOTE THE THREE STOP SYMBOLS ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE DIAGRAM. THESE DENOTE THE TIMING IN THE PROJECT PROCESS THAT YOU, CITY COUNCIL, HAVE ACTION

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POINTS. WE ARE AT THE FIRST OF THESE THREE IN THE PROJECT PROCESS. THE APPROVAL TO ENTER INTO A PURCHASE AGREEMENT. DOING SO WILL ALLOW THE PROGRAMMING OF THE FACILITY TO BE SITE SPECIFIC

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LEADING TO PLANNING EFFICIENCIES. THE SECOND STOP SYMBOL DENOTES THE NECESSITY FOR ATTAINING APPROVAL FOR AWARDING CONTRACT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING SERVICES. FOR PROJECTS OF THIS NATURE, A DURATION OF 15-18

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MONTHS CAN BE ANTICIPATED. THE THIRD STOP SYMBOL IDENTIFIES THE TIME IN THE PROJECT PROCESS WHEN THE PROJECT DESIGN IS COMPLETE, CONSTRUCTION BIDS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED, AND AT THIS POINT, A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR YOUR

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CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT. TO SUMMARIZE THIS SLIDE AND THIS PROCESS, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE EARLY STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT. PROPERTY SERVICES IN COLLABORATION WITH A THIRD

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PARTY CONSULTANT AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL EMERGENCY RESPONSE DEPARTMENTS, HAVE BEGUN THE FORMAL PROGRAMMING PHASE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE PROJECT PROGRAM IS NOT THE DESIGN ITSELF. RATHER, IT

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CONSISTS OF THE INFORMATION AND DATA NEEDED TO INITIATE THE DESIGN PROCESS. PROGRAMMING SERVES AS A ROADMAP THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BECOME A FACILITY. THIS PHASE IS ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL PARTS OF THE ENTIRE PROCESS, AND TAILORING THE

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PROGRAM TO A SPECIFIC SITES THE MOST EFFICIENT METHOD OF PLANNING. IN ADDITION TO MORE ACCURATE PLANNING, OTHER ANTICIPATED OUTCOMES OF THIS SITE ACQUISITION INCLUDE THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO

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CAPITALIZE ON SITE CONTROL, TO FORGE PARTNERSHIPS AND SEEK FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT ADVANCE THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE OVERALL CITY DOLLARS NEEDED FOR THIS FACILITY. THIS ACQUISITION WOULD AID IN THE

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TRANSITION OF REDUCED RELIANCE ON LONG-TERM LEASES THAT DO NOT BUILD EQUITY AND ARE LESS FINANCIALLY STABLE. FURTHERMORE, BECAUSE THIS SITE IS PRIMARILY OPEN, THE CITY CAN USE THIS

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PROPERTY FOR VARIOUS NEEDS WHILE PROGRA PROGRAMMING, DESIGN WORK AND CRITICAL DECISION-MAKING ARE IN PROGRESS. THE PROPOSED FINANCING FOR THIS ACQUISITION HAS BEEN AMENDED SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION IN MARCH OF THIS

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YEAR. THREE FUNDING SOURCES ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGH REALLOCATION OF BOND PROCEEDS AND BOND AUTHORIZATIONS. THESE FINANCIAL SHIFTS DO NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE TIMELINES FOR THE ANIMAL

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CARE AND CONTROL PROJECT OR THE NORTH HIAWATHA EXPANSION. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION THIS AFTERNOON. I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR QUESTIONS

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RELATED TO THE SITE ACQUISITION. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, DIRECTOR O'BRIEN. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS PRESENTATION? I WILL FIRST RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMB WHITING. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI,

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AND THANK YOU, DIRECTOR O'BRIEN. I JUST HAVE KIND OF FEW NOTES FIRST, AND THEN WILL ASK A FEW QUESTIONS OF YOURSELF AS WELL. >> SURE. >> COLLEAGUES, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP TODAY. I WILL BE ROCKING ON A RESOLUTION ON THURSDAY THAT I HOPE WILL

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ALLEVIATE SOME COLLEAGUE CONCERNS. THERE SEEMS TO BE CONCERNS VOTING THIS HERE TODAY MEANS WE'RE WRITING A BLANK CHECK WITHOUT DESIGN PARAMETERS PUT AROUND IT. LISTENING TO

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CONCERNS FROM BOTH MY COLLEAGUES AND CONSTITUENTS IN MY WARD. WE SHOULD PUT ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS AROUND THIS PROCESS THAT HELP ENSURE THIS HAS SOME ADDITIONAL TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY BUILT IN. WITH THAT, I KNOW MANY

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OF US HAVE OUR OWN RESERVATIONS ABOUT ADVANCING THIS LAND PURCHASE WITHOUT KNOWING THE DETAILS OF PROGRAMMING THAT WILL TAKE PLACE HERE. A RESOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE THAT BEFORE WE ISSUE AN RFP F DESIGN SERVICES AT THIS COUNCIL MUST EXPLICITLY APPROVE A PROOF OF CONCEPT AND

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FACILITY PROGRAMMING. THIS RESOLUTION IS MORE OR LESS LIKELY TO INCLUDE KIND OF A MANDATE OF A CREATION OF A WORKING GROUP WHICH COULD INCLUDE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF, COUNCIL STAFF, AND THEN APPOINTED

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COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL. AND SO THIS GROUP WOULD WORK DIRECTLY WITH PROPERTY SERVICES TO IDENTIFY SPACE NEEDS AND ENSURE THE CENTER ACTUALLY FUNCTION AS A MULTI-JURISDICTION CENTER, INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH SPACES, SPACE FOR BCR AND OTHER OF OUR

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POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ALTERNATIVES BEFORE ANY DESIGNERS ARE HIRED. NOW WE GET TO THE FUN PART OF THE RESOLUTION. THERE WOULD BE A STRICT CONTINGENCY THAT IF THAT WORKING GROUP ALONG WITH THIS COUNCIL CANNOT REACH AN AGREEMENT PRIOR TO 36 MONTHS OF

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CLOSING ON THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY SERVICE WOULD BE DIRECTED TO EITHER PRESENT SUBSTITUTE ALTERNATIVE USES THAT DO NOT TOUCH THE PROPOSED PROPOSAL OF THE SITE OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEVEST AND SELL THE PROPERTY. I REALIZE NONE OF

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YOU HAVE TEXT IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY RIGHT NOW. I WILL BE GETTING THAT. WE ARE CRAFTING THAT WITH OUR OFFICE AND HELP FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE. BUT WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP BEFORE CIRCULATE THAT AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF YOU. I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ABILITY TO HELP CRAFT AND HAVE A

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HAND IN PROMOTING WHAT ACTUAL COMMUNITY SAFETY AND OUR REFORM LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD, AND EXCITED TO SEEOW THIS WORKS BOTH IN CONJUNCTION WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE AND WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THERE. DO HAVE A

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FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU, DIRECTOR O'BRIEN. I FORGET THIS IS COMMITTEE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TIME. BUT I WON'T TAKE TOO LONG. QUESTIONs HERE. SO I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS. JUST HAD A LARGE LETTER THAT WAS RECEIVED

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FROM MY OFFICE. A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS, MEREDITH FOX WHO DID A LOT OF GRT EFFORT TO MOVE AND KIND OF GET THIS CONCERNS OUT THERE. AND A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE PARTICULARLY TO THE POSSIBLE

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INCLUSION OF A GUN RANGE. AND SO IF YOU CAN KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS. I AM NOT SURE. I THINK A LOT OF US WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING IS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM SOME

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CONSTITUENTS, IS IT AN OPEN RANGE, OPEN AIR RANGE, IS IT UNDERGROUND? WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE? >> VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING, I WILL DO MY BEST. >> THANK YOU. >> I WILL START BY JUST REMINDING THAT THIS WOULD BE

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SOMETHING THAT WOULD COMPLETELY BE FLUSHED OUT IN DESIGN. THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THIS BUILDING AND THIS SITE. HOWEVER, IT WOULD NOT BE AN OPEN AIR RANGE. THE PURPOSE OF A RANGE IS

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FOR FLUIDITY AND TO BE PROFICIENT AND TO BE PRACTICED. IT'S DEFINITELY PART OF A TRAINING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ENVISION WOULD EVEN BE

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SUBTERRAINIAL. BECAUSE WE WOULD BE BUILDING FROM SCRATCH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DEFINITELY UNDERGROUND. I CAN SPEAK FROM JUST INDUSTRY STANDARD KNOWLEDGE THAT

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TYPICALLY RANGES FOR FIRING ARE REINFORCED WITH VERY THICK CONCRETE WALLS, VERY THICK STEEL ON TOP OF THAT, AND THAT ALSO GOES FOR THE FLOOR AND THE CEILING OF TSE SPACES. SO THEY'RE ENCLOSED. IT'S NOT

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SOMETHG THAT YOU COULD HEAR OR THERE'S NO WAY FOR ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON INSIDE TO PENETRATE OUTWARD. SO THAT'S A GENERALIZATION. DID I ANSR YOUR QUESTION, SIR? >> YOU DID. YES, THANK YOU. ONE

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MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. I KNOW IN PARTICULARLY I'VE HEARD CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THE COST OF THIS BUILDING. BOTH THE KIND OF PROPOSED COST AT $38 MIION, AND THOSE THAT MAY SEE THAT COST. RIGHT. I'VE HEARD SOME

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NUMBERS OUT THERE THAT THE ULTIMATE COST OF THIS FACILITY COULD POSSIBLY BE IN THAT $38 MILLION ESTIMATE. RIGHT UPWARDS OF I THINK I'VE HEARD $80 MILLION AND HIGHER THAN THAT. CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH PROPERTY SERVICES APPROACH BOTH TO KIND OF COST ESTIMATES

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BROADLY, AND THEN PARTICULARLY THE COST PROCESSES AND ESTIMATES THAT WENT INTO THIS PROPOSED $38 MILLIO FACILITY. >> I CERTAINLY CAN. VE CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S

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A GREAT QUESTION. SO I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THAT IS TO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. WHEN A PROJECT ENTERS INTO THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, IT'S NOT FULLY BAKED. IT'S GENERALLY A CONCEPT.

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SO WHEN WE START WORKING WITH THE CONCEPT, SETTING THE VISION, SETTING THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROJECT, WE TYPICALLY USE A PROCESS IN WHICH WE USE INDUSTRY STANDARD PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT BASED ON THE GENERAL USE THAT WE

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KNOW. SO IN THIS CASE, WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERING EDUCATIONAL SPACES, SOME SPECIALTY SPACES. WE WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERING SPACES LIKE GYMNASIUMS OR FLEXIBLE

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PHYSICAL TRAINING SPACES. EACH OF THOSE HAVE AN INDUSTRY STANDARD COST PER SQUARE FOOT, AND WE CAN MAKE SOME PREDICTIONS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE WILL BE SERVING IN THIS FACILITY HOW BIG IT NEEDS TO BE.

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THAT'S SORT OF HOW -- THAT'S THE SAME METHODOLOGY THAT WE USE TO UNDERSTAND HOW BIG THE SITE NEEDS TO BE. IT ALSO TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THINGS LIKE PARKING, SITE IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT ARE REALLY GENERAL BUT THEY ARE

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ALL-ENCOMPASSING OF THE PROJECT. RIGHT? AND THE $38 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFD IS ALSO INCLUSIVE OF SITE ACQUISITION. SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY SAYING IS

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THAT TO BUILD THE BUILDING WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $32 MILLION. NOW I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, AS WE -- SHOULD WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, THE

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PROGRAM IS REALLY HELPFUL. THAT HELPS US GET DOWN TO EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGES. MOVING INTO DESIGN, SCHEMATIC AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, THOSE PERIODS ARE ALWAYS MARKED WITH COST ESTIMATING UPDATES AT EACH OF

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THOSE MILE MARKERS. AND SO THAT ALSO HEL US. SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE THIS AS A VERY EDUCATED PLACEHOLDER TODAY. I AM NOT SURE WHERE $80 MILLION HAS

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COME FROM. I WOULD STAND HERE AND SAY THAT IS NOT THE CASE. I'M AWARE OF FACILITIES OF THIS NATURE THAT ARE BEING BUILT ACROSS THE NATION THAT DO HAVE PRICE TAGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY

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ALSO ARE MANY, MANY ACRES BIGGER, AND THEY ARE MORE ENCOMPASSING TO INCLUDE FULL FIRE STATIONS AND FULL PRECINCT ACTIVITY. THINGS LIKE THAT. AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE FACILITIES INCORPORATED IN CAMPUSES. WE ARE

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PROPOSING A SINGLE SITE ON A MUCH SMALLER ACRGE THAN THOSE COMPARISONS. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS IN QUEUE. SO NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON FOLLOWED BY VICE PRESIDENT OSMAN.

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>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK THE NEIGHBORS WHO CAME OUT TO WATCH THIS AND ADVOCATES WHO CAME OUT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIRELESS WORK ON THIS. I JUST WANT TO MOVE THIS WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. IS

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THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM FORWARD TO THURSDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION AND WE'LL CONTINUE WITH DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> NO, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

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>> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. NEXT, OSMAN. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. LAST TIME THIS CAME FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, I BELIEVE I WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE A LIFE

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LINE AND GAVE THIS -- I VOTED FOR YES BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE THIS PROJECT A CHANCE. I ASKED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH STRONGER, CLEAR PLAN. AND OBVIOUSLY, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. AND THE REASON IS TODAY WE ARE

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ASKING COUNCIL TO SPEND $6 MILLION TO BUY A LAND WITHOUT A FULL PLAN OF THE PROJECT AND HOW WILL THIS $38 MILLION PROJECT, AS WE MENTIONED, WILL BE PAID. MY BELIEF IS THAT THE STATE HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION

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AT ALL. THERE'S NO BIG SAVING CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS HAS TO BUILD THIS. SO IN MY OPINION, AND MY CALCULATION, THAT WE SHOULD NOT BUY A LAND FIRST AND FIGURE OUT THE PLAN LATER. IT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD PLAN. IT'S NOT A

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RESPONSIBLE WAY TO SPEND TAXPAYERS. I STILL SUPPORT THE IDEA OF MODERN SHARED TRAINING CENTER AND FACILITY THAT TRULY SUPPORTS THE WELLBEING OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. IT'S A WONDERFUL THING TO HAVE A FACILITY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. BUT WE NEED A FULL,

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CLEAR PLAN BEFORE WE SPEND TAXPAYERS AND END UP BEING STUCK WITH BIG PIECE OF EMPTY LAND. I MADE THAT VERY CLEAR. AND THIS IS THE REASON I WILL BE VOTING NO ON MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD TODAY. SO THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. >> I GUESS A FEW PEOPLE GOT OUT OF QUEUE. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NUMBER ONE, AND IT'S SOMETHING I'VE SAID SEVERAL TIMES UP HERE ON THIS DAIS. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THIS

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INTO A PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING AND WELLNESS FACILITY, WE NEED TO HAVE SITE CONTROL BEFORE WE GO TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE. SO THERE IS AN ORDER HERE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THE SECOND PIECE

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I THINK I'LL REALLY PHRASE AS A QUESTION TO DIRECTOR O'BRIEN, WHICH IS IS IT TRUE THAT WE PURCHASE PROPERTIES ALL THE TIME FOR THE VAST NUMBER OF NEEDS THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY? AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? BECAUSE

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DIRECTOR O'BRIEN SPOKE ABOUT WAS TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS PIECE OF LAND FOR ANY NUMBER OFEEDS THAT WOULD MAYBE NOT HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING FACILITY ON IT. BUT ISN'T IT WORTH IT GIVEN THE COMPARABLES THAT SHE OUTLINED IN

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HER PRESENTATION TO SAY, YES, THIS WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE IN OUR CAPACITY FOR FINANCE AND PROPERTY SERVICES, FOR ALL OF THE NEEDS IN THE CITY. MAYBE AS A WATER YARD SOME DAY. MAYBE AS ANIMAL CONTROL SOME DAY. MAYBE

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FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE OR USE. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD MOST AS NEW IN THIS CONVERSATION. AND DIRECTOR O'BRIEN, COULD Y SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOUR DIVISION MAKES LAND PURCHASES. BECAUSE I KNOW WE SELL IT ALL THE TIME. WE SEE

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THAT ON AGENDAS. BUT WE ALSO DO MAKE PURCHASES. >> SURE. VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. PROPERTY SERVICES DOES BUY PROPERTY ALL

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THE TIME. AND IT IS FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS. THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT GOES. AND IT IS MOST EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE SITE CONTROL PRIOR TO GETTING

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TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. BECAUSE IT IS BT TO DESIGN TO A SPECIFIC SITE. EVERY SITE IS DIFFERENT. WHETHER IT BE THE ACCESS OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITUATION. SO

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WE NEED TO GO IN WITH OUR EYES WIDE OPEN WITH THE SITE. A RECENT EXAMPLE WAS THE PROCUREMENT THAT WAS DONE ON NORTH UNIVERSITY FOR THE WATER

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YARD. SO WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THEN MOVED IN TO PROGRAMMING. AND WE ARE NOW IN THE DESIGN PHASE. THAT IS THE ORDER THAT IS BEST. THAT IS INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR THE WAY

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THAT WE PERFORM OUR RK. >> THANK YO AND I WANT TO REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THAT WERE HERE LAST YEAR OR BEFORE. AND IT'S NEW TO OUR NEW COLLEAGUES THAT WHEN WE WERE WRESTLING WITH WHAT THE NEXT STEP WAS FOR THE

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FORMER 3RD PRECINCT BUILDING, RIGHT, THERE WERE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES OVER TIME OF WHAT SHOULD BE IN THERE. SHOULD WE SELL IT. HOW MIGHT WE REPURPOSE IT. AND YOU WOULD REMEMBER SEEING SLIDE PRESENTATIONS. WHICH HERE ARE THE NEXT FOUR

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NEEDS THAT FIT THIS SPACE REQUIREMENT AT LAKE AND MINNEHAHA. I BELIEVE WE CAN RECOUPLE THIS FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING THAT SOME OF US

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WANT TO BE AHEAD OF US -- IT WOULD CLEAN UP A BROWN FIELD. I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OUT LOUD BECAUSE WE HAVE A SIGNED PURCHASE, YOU KNOW, INTENT TO PURCHASE WITH A CERTAIN PRICE. IT SEEMS TO BE AN ESPECIALLY

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GOOD DEAL. AND WE DO HAVE NEEDS AS A CITY THAT ARE ONLY GOING TO GET INCREDIBLY MORE EXPENSIVE IF WE DON'T ACT ON THIS. WHICH IS NOT SOME SORT OF SUPER RUSHED PLAN BUT RATHER SOMETHING THIS DIVISION, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TODAY PRESENTING IT TO US

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HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR HOW LONG, DIRECTOR O'BRIEN HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROPERTY ACQUISITION? >> YEARS. >> A YEAR? FOR OVER A YEAR. >> VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, THIS SITE,

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THIS SPECIFIC SITE WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION IN THE LATE SUMMER OF 2025. SO JUST UNDER A YEAR ON THIS PARTICULARSITE. BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING SITE SEARCHES FOR A NUMBER OF OUR

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PROJECTS FOR YEARS. WHEN WE NEED PROPERTY THAT IS OVER FOUR ACRES, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN FRONT OF US AS AN OPTION HERE. AND I HOPE WE CAN

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STAY IN DIALOGUE ON IT AND NOT JUST BACK AND FORTH. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK THIS HONORS OUR CITY STAFF'S TIME, RESOURCES THEY'VE ALRDY SPENT THEMSELVES, THEIR OWN TIME AND ENERGY ON THIS PROJECT. I

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THINK I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF IF ANY OF THAT FUN INDUSTRIAL ZONED PROPERTY IN MY ZONE. IT IS UNUSUAL TO FIND. AND WE NEED IT FOR SO MANY OF THE THINGS AT CITY GOVERNMENT DOES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO

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ANSWER QUESTIONS THIS AFTERNOON. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE VICE PRESIDENT OSMAN. >> YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I CAME BACK TO JUST FOLLOW UP. ONE COMMENT HERE. FIRST OF ALL,

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THE STAFF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. YOU DO AMAZING WORK EVERY TIME. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PROJECT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT. YES, COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO IS RIGHT WHEN SHE SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONTROL OF THE SITE BEFORE WE GO TO THE STATE. IT IS

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TRUE. IT'S FACT. BUT I HAVE SEEN AND I TALKED TO STATE LEGISLATORS WHO PUBLICLY CAME OUT AGAINST THIS PROJECT. AND THOSE LEGISLATORS ARE NOT JUST -- THEY ARE MINNEAPOLIS DELEGATION THAT CAME OUT AGAINST THIS PROJECT. SO THAT SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF WEIGHT ON US.

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THERE'S NO MAGIC $38 MILLION THAT WILL COME ANYWHERE. YES, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD

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DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO SK A PROPER WAY TO GET THE MONEY FROM THE STATE OR THE FEDS, WHOEVER, TO SUPPORT US THIS PROJECT. AND THE ARGUMENT OF THIS HAVING SITE CONTROL FOR PROJECTS FOR SOME DAY IS NOT A GOOD PLAN FOR

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TAXPAYERS. WHEN THAT SOME DAY COMES ALONG, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT PURCHASING THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT PROJECT IS AND HOW THAT WILL BENEFIT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A REALLY SMART DECISION JUST TO BUY THE LAND NOW AND HOPE FOR A PROJECT FOR SOME DAY.

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THAT IS NOT WHAT I THINK MY RESIDENTS WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT. SO THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CHUGHTAI. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNC MEMBER VETAW FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER.

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>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. M COMMITMENT TO THIS PROJECT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT THE NORTHSIDE HAS ASKED FOR. GETTING THESE SERVICES OUT OF WARDS 4 AND WARDS 5. THE GUN RANGE IS IN THE FIFTH PRECINCT IN A VERY

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RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE TRAINING FACILITY IS IN WARD 4. I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY IN PEOPLE'S FRONT AND BACK YARDS. AND SO MY VIEW OF THIS PROCESS IS A COMMITMENT TO THE NORTHSIDE THAT WE'RE AT LEAST WORKING TOWARDS THAT. I DON'T THINK

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WE'RE AGAINST HAVING A TRAINING CENTER ON THE NORTHSIDE. WE JUST DON'T WANT IT ON THE OLD SCHOOL IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD. WE DON'T WANT THE GUN RANGE ON PLYMOUTH AVUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THIS, BUT THE

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NORTHSIDES PRECINCT OR THE SCHOOL, THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S PRECINCT ARE ON THESE MAJOR STREETS, ON LIKE LAKE STREET AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PRECINCT IS NOW RIGHT OFF THE FREEWAY. SO EVERYONE ELSE'S PRECINCTS ARE SITUATED

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DIFFERENT. OURS IS ACTUALLY A FORMER COMMUNITY CENTER, THE WAY THAT PPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO RECLAIM BACK FOR DECADE AND SO ANY AND EVERYTHING I CAN DO AS A NORTHSIDE COUNCIL MEMBER TO NOT ONLY HELP PEOPLE RECLAIM THAT

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COMMUNITY CENTER BACK AND TO GET THOSE SERVICES OUT OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M GOING TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE ASKED MY COLLEAGUES TO DO. NO, IT'S NOT A PERFECT SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE THE MONEY OR WE HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT. BUT THERE IS SOMETHING

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ABOU GIVING A COMMUNITY HOPE AND LETTING A COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING. WHEN COLLEAGUES STEPPED UP AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK INTO THE 3RD PRECINCT, I CERTAINLY LISTENED TO THA AND UNDERSTOOD AND VOTED FOR ANOTHER

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FACILITY LIKE NEARBY FOR THE THIRD PRECINCT. AND ALL I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR FOUR YEARS IS SUPPORT ON A PROCESS, ON SOME SORT OF -- JUST LISTENG. LISTENING TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING. I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY WANTS THIS IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS.

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BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON BRYANT AVUE, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON MORGAN ARE SAYING THERE'S A SHOOTING RANGE DOWNSTAIRS THAT HAS OPERATED FOR MANY YEARS, TOO. SO I'M GOING TO SAY WE KNOW HOW TO DESIGN A SHOOTING RANGE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

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BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN ONE IN THE FOURTH PRECINCT SINCE IT'S BEEN THERE. AND THAT IS WHERE THEY KEEP THE GUNS AND KEEP THE BULLETS TO DO THE SHOOTING. LITERALLY A BLOCK AWAY FROM A MEDICAL FACILITY, LINCOLN SCHOOL THAT PRINCE WENTO IS RIGHT IN THE AREA. A PARK. MULTIPLE

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PARKS. NORTH HIGH SCHOOL. ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THIS FACILITY THAT YOU ALL ARE ASKING US TO SUPPORT IS NOT IN THAT SAME KINDA AREA. ANDAGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH YOU FINDING SOMEWHERE IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS

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AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY IN THIS WAY, AND LIKE, DEVELOPING A PROCESS. I'M ALSO TOTALLY FINE WITH WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER WE ACQUIRE THE LAND STAFF KNOWS FOR FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN SAYING, WHERE CAN WE DO THIS AT?

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WHAT IS HAPPENING? WHAT CAN I TAKE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO SAY THE POSSIBILITY IS ON THE HORIZON? AND SO NOW WE HAVE IT. PEOPLE ARE WATCHING. AND WE'RE SAYING, EH, NOT RIGHT NOW. WE DOT KNOW. WE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THIS SITE, BUT AT LEAST WE

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CAN TRY AND AT LEAST WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP AND SAY, WE HAVE THE LAND. NOW WE CAN DO IT. IS WHAT THIS PROCESS MEANS TO US. IT'S NOT ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE THE $40 MILLION, WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAN. I DON'T REMEMBER EVER

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DEVELOPING THINGS LIKE THAT AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, AS A PARKS COMMISSIONER. WE'VE DONE ALL THIS WORK TO ACCESS THE RIVER. YOU GET THE LAND, THEN YOU DEVELOP IT, THEN YOU TAKE COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT I'VE SEEN TAKE -- I MEAN, THE UPPER HARBOR TERMINAL, GOD

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ONLY KNOWS THAT WAS 20 YEARS OF WORK TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THE PARCELS HAVING SOMETHING ON IT. BUT ACQUIRING THE LAND WAS FIRST. AND SO THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. I'M ASKING FOR A CHANCE TO AT LEAST SAY WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS SOMETHING. WE'RE GOING

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TO GET THESE SERVICES OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, CERTAINLY. BUT AT LEAST WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS SOMETHING RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER, FOLLOWEDY COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY.

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>> YES. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE COMMENTS. YES, I AGR THAT FIRST WE HAVE TO HAVE THE LAND, AND THEN WE GET THE PLAN. AND WE WORK IN THAT ORDER. AND THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT OUR CITY WORK AND PARKS WORK AS COUNCIL MEMBER

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VETAW HAS ESTABLISHED. I GUESS THE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE IS THAT FOR US AS A CITY, AFTER ANNUNCIATION AND KRISTO RAY, WHY IT IS CONTROVERSY FOR US TO

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INVEST IN THE MENTAL HEALTH AND TRAINING OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. OUR CITY HAS PUT OUR FIRST RESPDERS IN SITUATIONS THAT NO OTHER CITY HAS HAD TO FACE. AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THE VERY

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PUBLIC SAFETY OF OUR CITY. AND BY PRIORITIZING THIS WORK. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY MAKE A STAND AROUND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AS A BODY. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL BE

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GONE IN WE VOTE THIS DOWN. THIS IS A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DECISION WHETHER WE PLAN IT OUT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, WHETHER WE PLAN IT OUT FOR ANOTHER USE, IF WE DON'T ARRIVE AT A DESIGN THAT WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. WE

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ARE TURNING DOWN A PIECE OF LAND THAT IS ALREADY PROVEN THAT WILL BE SOLD AT A MUCH HIGHER PRICE, MOST LIKELY, WITH THE COMPARISON THAT'S NEXT DOOR. SO MY VIEW IS THAT ASOUNCIL MEMBERS IN TIMES OF STRICT BUDGETS, BUT YET

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CARING FOR THE LONG-RGE VISION OF IMPROVING OUR CITY AND IMPROVING THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, WE ARE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE DON'T VOTE TO BUY THIS LAND AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND FOR A PRICE

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COMPARISON, WITH THE ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION FOR THE NORTH COMMONS POOL THAT WAS ALLOCATED THIS PAST SUNDAY, WE WILL BE SPENDING AS A CITY JUST SHY $49MILLION, ALMOST $50 MILLION ON THE NORTH COMMONS FACILITY. I HOPE THAT

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PUTS THIS $38 MILLION INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR MY COLLEAGUES. $38 MILLION TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN AND HAVE THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS PRIORITIZED, THAT NUMBER MAY GO UP. BUT IT'S IN MY VIEWPOINT,

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THAT IS A VERY REASONABLE NUMBER TO BEGIN WITH. AND SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS AT THIS MOMENT. BUT I HOPE THAT WE DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY. BECAUSE IT IS A CHANCE TO INVEST IN THE LONG RANGE HEALTH OF OUR CITY IN

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WHATEVER WAY WE CHOOSE TO USE THIS LAND PURCHASE. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. JUST SO MANY THOUGHTS. MOST IMMEDIATELY, I CAN'T

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BELIEVE WE WOULD EVEN FRAME THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN IT'S VERY CLEAR THIS WILL BEME A LIABILITY. I AM JUST TRYING TO GO DOWN THE VARIOUS POINTS HERE. FIRST, THE SHIFTING GOAL POSTS AROUND THIS PROJECT ISLSO JUST

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VERY DISTURBING. IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THE FREY ADMINISTRATION HAS WANTED TO ACQUIRE A PARCEL OR SOME LAND FOR THE EXPLICIT DEVELOPMENT OF A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY FOR THE POLICE. THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. AND THE IDEA THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE COULD BUY A

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PIECE OF LAND WITHOUT A PLAN, WHICH ALSO I DON'T KNOW WHE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN, I HAVE NEVER HEARD AN ACTUAL FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT BODY SAY LET'S ACQUIRE LAND WITHOUT A PLAN FIRST. MOST FISCAL CONSERVATIVES OR ANYONE WOULD

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SAY THAT IS FISCALLY RECKLESS TO SAY LET'S BUY LAND BEFORE HAVING A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS. HOW I KNOW THAT'S RIDICULOUS IS BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. --

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TRYING TO GIVE THAT TO A COMMUNITY THAT HAS LGELY EXPERIENCED CONSTANT POLLUTION AND A VARIETY OF RACIST IMPACTS BY LIVING IN THAT AREA. THEY WENT OUT AND ACTUALLY GOT STATE DOLLARS THAT ACTUALLY GOT APPROVED THIS PAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THEY ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND GOT DEVELOPMENT FINANCING

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FOR THEIR PROJECT. AND WE MADE THEM GO THROUGH 10 YEARS OF LOOPHOLES AND MADE THEM COME FORWARD WITH A 10-TIER PLAN AROUND WHAT THIS PROJECT COULD LOOK LIKE. AND WE STILL OR A MAJORITY OF THIS BODY FOR SEVERAL YEARS STILL SAID NO

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THAT'S NOT ENGH. SO I KNOW WE HAVE BEFORE SAID TO COMMUNI PARTNERS AND TO BUSINESS DEVELOPERS ACROSS THE CITY, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NEED PLAN I WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE ANY SUPPORT. SO THIS IS A COMPLETE RIDICULOUS SHIFT HERE. AND THE IDEA THAT -- NO, DON'T GET THE LAND BEFORE

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THE PLAN. ABSOLUTELY, PLAN BEFORE YOU BUY SOME LAND. I THINK ANYONE WOULD KNOW THAT. A HOMEOWNER, ANYONE WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT IS JUST RIDICULOUSLY. BEFORE THAT, ALSO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PIECE OF THE GUN RANGE. ACTUALLY, THERE IS SOME POSITIVE MOVEMENT ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A SHARED

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AGREEMENT POIN NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE A GUN RANGE IN A PREDOMINANTLY COMMUNITY OF NORTH MINNEAPOLIS. THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SHIFTED TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY PAICULARLY IN WYNDHAM, 40 FEET AWAY FROM A SCHOOL. AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA. WE

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ACTUALLY HAVE SOME POSITIVE TRACKING TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE OCS IS ASKING US TO APPROVE AN RFP RIGHT NOW FOR IN-SERVICE TRAININGS AND OUTDOOR RANGE FACILITIES THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT OF JUNE 1ST OF THIS YEAR SO OUR LAW ENFORMENT CAN ACTUALLY EXECUTE THEIR GUN RANGE

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TRAINING. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING AN INTERIM INTRUSION TO -- SO THAT SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD NOT HAVE TO BEAR THE LOAD OF HAVING GUN SHOTS GO OFF IN THEIR COMMUNITIES BY THEIR FIRST

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RESPONDERS. SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. ALSO, I JUST -- THIS IS JUST ASTOUNDING. ALSO THE PIECE AROUND HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT, AGAIN,

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THE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THIS BODY HAS ALREADY POURED INTO THAT FUNCTION BY ITSELF. THAT IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. IN RESPONSE TO OUR FACILITIES ASSESSMENT THAT SAYS

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WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE POLICE FACILITIES. WE HAVE POURED NEARLY $100 MILLION INTO THAT ALONE IN THE RENOVATIONS OF OUR POLICE PRECINCTS AND SUBSEQUENT FACILITIES. AS PART OF THAT, THEY WILL HAVE WELLNESS SPACES

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AS PART OF IT. WE ALSO JUST LAST SUMMER APPROVED A CONTRACT THAT OVER $2 MILLION FOR A NEW MENTAL HEALTH VENDOR JUST FOR THE POLICE. SO WE HAVE TICKED THAT BOX OFF BY OVER $100 MILLION. AND THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO GO FORWARD WITH ANOTHER

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$40 MILLION BUILDING. THIS IS JUST -- MAKES NO SENSE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF PRIORITIES THAT'S FACING OUR CITY WHEN WE'RE ALREADY COMING UP AGAINST A $200 MILLION PLUS DEFICIT BECAE OF THE FEDERAL OCCUPATION. AND WE KNOW WE COULD AND NEED TO BE INVESTING IN

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MEANS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE WE COULD BE WORKING TO REDUCEHE UTILITY BILLS OF OUR RESIDENTS BY INVESTING IN CLIMATE RESILIENCY. THE RIDICULOUSLY THAT WE WOULD GO FORWARD AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S BUY SOME LAND AND NOT HAVE A PLAN FOR IT. NOT ACTUALLY SAY

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LET'S BUILD 200 UNITS OF AMI HOUSING. LET'S GO BUY SOME LAND AND DEVEP A MUNICIPAL GROCERY STORE. LET'S BUY SOME LAND AND DEVELOP A FACILITY FOR PEOE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS SINCE THAT'S BEEN

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BODY. BUT NO, LET'S GO BUY SOME LAND WITH AN UNCLEAR PLAN BUT WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PLAN. WE WANT TO BUILD A COP FORTRESS FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THAT IS THE PLAN. NO MATTER HOW YOU WANT TO SHAKE IT. HOW YOU WANT TO REFRAME IT. THAT IS SOMETHING

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I'M NOT SUPPORTING. WE ARE ALREADY SPENDING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR ONE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE PARTMENT. IT'S TIME TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT ELSE WE'VE NEGLECTED BY CONSTANTLY HOLDING OURSELVES HOSGE FINANCIALLY TO THIS DEPARTMENT IN A WAY THAT

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ACTUALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS. AND THA IS THE OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PURSUE INSTEAD. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH DISCUSSION TO COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, AND

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THEN COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> TNK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FIRST TO SAY THAT WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT A SCHOOL BEING 40 FEET AWAY FROM THIS SITE, THAT'S NOT

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TRUE. THE NEAREST SCHOOL IS WYNDHAM COMMUNITY SCHOOL. IT'S OVER HALF A MILE AWAY. IT'S AN 11-MINUTE WALK. ANNUNCIATION IS OVER A MILE AWAY FROM THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY. THIS CURRENT SITE, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IS

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A SIMPLE DEMOLITION OF ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS WITH LIKE ROOFING PROBLEMS. IT'S A VERY SIMPLE RUCTURE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT USED TO HOLD BUSES IN THERE AND TRUCKING STUFF. THIS KIND OF SITE DEMOLITION COULD BE

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ACCOMPLISHED WITH VERY LITTLE INVESTMENT, AND IT COULD ALLOW US TO LEASE IT OUT OR USE THE SITE FOR SOMETHING IN AN INTERIM IF WE CHOOSE TO GO THIS ROUTE AND CHOOSE TO USE IT FOR ANY OF MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT FINANCE

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AND PROPERTY SERVICES HAS IN MIND FOR THIS SITE. I'LL MENTION AGAIN THAT IT'S ZONED INDUSTRIAL, WHICH OPENS UP A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES FOR HOW IT COULD BE USED. ONE OF THE CHANGES IN THE 2040 PLAN AND OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OVER

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TIME HAVE REALLY SHRUNK THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IN OUR CITY. THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THAT. WE DID THAT VERY INTENTIONALLY. IT'S ABOUT HAVING A HEALTHY CITY AND A HEALTHY COMMUNITY. BUT IT DOES LEAVE A BIGGER AND BIGGER CHALLENGE WHEN TRYING TO HOUSE CERTAIN FUNCTIONS WITHIN OUR

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CITY. OUR LEASE WITH MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR THE HAMILTON SCHOOL EXPIRES IN A FEW YEARS. AND IT INCREASES AT EXPONENTIAL RATES. IT COMPOUNDED INTEREST RATES. IT BECOMES VERY MUCH NOT A GOOD DEAL. UP TO 20% INCREASES

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ANNUALLY. IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE IN A FEW YEARS, WE'RE IN A VERY POOR BARGAINING POSITION TO RENEGOTIATE THAT LEASE OR DO SOMETHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE.

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WHY NOT SPEND THE NEXT THREE YEARS WORKING WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH COMMUNITY TO VISION HOW THIS SITE COULD BE USED AS A PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING AND WELLNESS SITE. I WANT TO LEAVE THAT OPEN TO DISCUSSION. I COULD MAKE A MOTION HERE TO SUBSTITUTE

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TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATION TODAY. AND WE ALL UP HERE THAT IT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL. BUT I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT LIKE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT LIKE THAT. I DO THINK THAT IN ALL OF MY WORK SINCE 2017 ON

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SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A TRAINING FACILITY, AND AT THE TIME, THIS SHOWS HOW NEEDS GROW AND CHANGE OVER TIME. AT THAT TIME IT WAS JUST A POLICE FACILITY. NOW IT COULD BE SOMETHING SO MUCH ME THAN THAT. IF WE WANT THIS CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE

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TABLE TO CHANGE HOW THAT TRAINING IS DONE, TO DO A WORK GROUP, TO AGREE TO PROGRAMMATIC COMPONENTS OR NOT, THEN I WOULD REALLY SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND DO THIS AS A POLICE TRAINING AND WELLNESS FACILITY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD

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ACHIEVE AS A BODY HERE THIS TERM. BUT IF WE DON'T, WE HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER WAYS TO USE THIS SITE. I DO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS TO THIS FROM PEOPLE

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WHO FEEL DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO ON THIS WOULD BE SAYING I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF MAKING A BUSINESS APPROPRIATE DECISION HERE. I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE US PURCHASE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD DEAL AND WE COULD DO OTHER

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THINGS BECAUSE THEN WHATEVER. THEY WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST THIS IS A TRAINING FACILITY. TO ME, THAT FEELS LIKE REALLY GIVING UP THE SHOT THAT WE'RE OFFERED HERE. REALLY GIVING UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING MORE AND TO PUT OUR

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STAMP ON IT TOGETHER. SO I WILL LEAVE THIS AS MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION IN HOPE THAT WE CAN STAY IN THE CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS ON IT. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ,

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FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. JUST BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED, COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THIS BODY BASICALLY DOES OR DOESN'T DO ABOUT POLICE WELLNESS. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THIS BODY AND THE PUBLIC THAT ON MARCH 5TH, THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED

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THE APPOINTED POSITION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR OF POLICE HEALTH AND WELLNESS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE WHEN IT COMES TO THE MENTAL HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. I DON'T WANT SOME OF THE PUBLIC TO TAKE SOME

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OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS DAIS AND MISCONSTRUE THE WORK WE'VE DONE. PART OF THE REASON I THINK IT'S INVEST IN THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS AN OFFICER OUT ON THE JOB AND THEY MURDER SOMEONE BECAUSE

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THEIR HEALTH AND WELLNESS WASN'T BEING TAKEN CARE OF. THIS BODY HAS INVESTED IN THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. WHILE I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS TODAY, ONE, I THINK WHEN WE SIGN UP AND VOTE FOR THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE HELD OVER OUR HEADS AND

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SAY, WELL NOW YOU ALL VOTED ON THIS SO YOU HAVE TO INVEST $38 MILLION IF THE STATE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T FUND THIS PROJ PROJECT. HOWEVER, I DO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THE CONCERNS OF MY COLLEAGUES TALKING ABOUT THE

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IMPACT OF THIS BEING IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS. I DO THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS. I JUST DON'T THINK IN MY OPINION WOULD COST $38 MILLION IN THE CITY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE STATE LEGISLATURE WOULD

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PRIORITIZE THIS. THAT WOULD MEAN WE WOULD NEED TAXPAYER DOLLARS. I DO THINK THIS BODY CAN COME TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF NORTHSIDE IN TERMS OF NOT WANTING IT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS A LONG TERM PLAN THAT WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND WHAT

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THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I AT LEAST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. >> YES, THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR C

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COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ -- I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. RIGHT OVER THE LAST TERM WE HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE INVESTMENTS INTO THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECTS OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. WHEN I WAS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT WROTE THE CONTRACT WITH ALLIED MENTAL

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HEALTH. I BELIEVE THAT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE ACROSS THIS BODY AND APPRECIATE THAT INVESTMENT. TO COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY'S POINT, I WISH WE HAVE TICKED ALL OF THESE BOS. RIGHT. I WISH THESE ARE THE BOXES THAT HAVE BEEN TICKED. RIGHT. LE MENTAL

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HEALTH WAS A RECOMMENDATION UNDER THE CONSORTIUM. ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION WITHIN THAT ASSESSMENT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD OUT FACILITIES AND CENTERS FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH AND BETTERMENT OF THAT. I THINK THERE'S VERSIONS OF THIS AND

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WHAT WE ARE SEEING, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY CORRECTLY NOTES, WE HAVE SPENT I BELIEVE OVER $80 MILLION. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ON PRECINCT INVESTMENTS AS OF LATE. WHAT WE SEE ACROSS CONSENT DECREE CITIES IS WHAT YOU SEE. YOU SEE A MASSIVE

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INVESTMENT IN CITIES THAT ARE UNDER CONSENT DECREES INTO THEIR FIRST RESPONDERS' FACILITIES, INTO THEIR TRAINING, INTO THEIR MENTAL HEALTH. BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN OVER GENERATIONS WHAT THE

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LACK OF MENTAL HEALTH, OF TRAINING, OF FACILITIES, OF ALTERNATIVES TO POLICING RESULT IN BOT PARTICULARLY BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES BUT ACROSS THE CITY. IT IS EXPENSIVE. IT IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE FOR THE NEXT 8-12 YEARS BECAUSE

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THAT'S THE AVERAGE LIFE SPAN OF CONSENT DECREES. I WISH WE HAD CHECKED OFF ALL OF THESE BOXES. I WISH WE COULD GO TO ELEFA AND SAY WE DID EVERYTHING. WE ARE

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COMPLIANT WITH CONSENT DECREE REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS A PORTION THAT ELEFA HAS PUT ON TO THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS THAT SAYS IF YOU DO THIS FACILITY, IF YOU CREATE THIS FACILITY, YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE. IF YOU DO NOT, YOU ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. I THINK THERE IS A VERSION OF THIS THAT

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I'M HEARING WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT HEY, MAYBE WE CAN REI REINENVISION AND COME BACK TO THE TABLE. THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE RESOLUTION THAT I'LL BRING ON THURSDAY WILL DO THAT. I HEAR THE CONCERNS OF MY COLLEAGUES. I

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HEAR THE CONCERNS OF COMMUNITY. I HEAR THE CONCERNS OF HEY, WHAT IS THIS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AND LET'S DO THAT. LET'S BE A BODY THAT MOVES FORWARD AND TALKS ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. LET'S BE A BODY THAT CREATES AND HAS A HAND IN CONTROLLING WHAT THIS WILL BE.

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WE JUST HAD A PRESENTATION ON HERE, RIGHT, WHERE IT HAS THESE THREE LITTLE STOP SIGNS OF WHERE IN THE PROCESS THAT HAS THAT. THERE IS NO PROCESS IN HERE THAT INCLUDES COMMUNITY, RIGHT? EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO TODAY THAT WE

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ACTIVELY BUILD IN. MAYBE WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION OF OUR DIRECTOR. BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING PROPERTY SERVICES WILL BE OKAY WITH. IF WE HAVE THAT ABILITY, LET'S DO IT. LET'S SHOW THE CITY THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND COME TO SOME LEVEL

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OF COMPROMISE ON THIS BODY. AND I KNOW THERE'S SHARED VISIONS IN THIS. I KNOW I'M GETTING A LITTLE LONG WINDED HERE. BUT THERE IS A SHARED VERSION OF WHAT THIS CAN LOOK LIKE AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO IT AND LET'S STEP UP AND MEET IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL

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RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. DIRECTOR O'BRIEN, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS. SO WE PURCHASED THE SECOND BUILDING FOR THE THIRD

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PRECINCT. WE JUST VOTED ON SOME DEVELOPMENT OF THAT. DID WE HAVE EVERYTHING FLUSHED OUT WHEN WE PURCHASED THAT BUILDING FOR THE THIRD PRECINCT? >> THROUGH THE VICE CHAIR, THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER TAW, WE MADE THAT

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PURCHASE AND THEN WENT INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS. >> RIGHT. SO WE HIRED THAT ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. >> RIGHT. LET BE CLEAR. WE -- MUCH LIKE THIS PROJECT, THERE IS

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A CONCEPT. THERE'S AN OVERARCHING PLAN. THERE ARE NOT -- WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS. AND TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION AND TO THE POINT, 2633 WAS PURCHASED AND

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THEN WE HIRED AN A AND E FIRM TO HELP US THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS. IT WAS RECENTLY BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. >> SO A COUPLE YEARS LATER -- YES, IT DID. SO A COUPLE YEARS

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AFTER WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING -- BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND ALL THOSE THINGS FOR THE BUILDING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, THAT IS

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CORRECT. SO WE PURCHASED THAT FACILITY AND THEN APPROXIMATELY FOUR MONTHS LATER, WE BROUGHT A DESIGN CONTRACT FORWARD TO COUNCIL. THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN

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IN DESIGN FOR A LITTLE OVER 15 MONTHS. AND JUST RECENTLY, THE DESIGN WAS COMPLETE AND WE BROUGHT A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FORWARD, WHICH WAS APPROVED. AND CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN ON THAT PROJECT. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE ORIGINAL THIRD PRECINCT

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BUILDING THAT WE STILL OWN THAT IS GOING TO BE THE DEMOCRACY CENTER, WE DID AN EVALUATION OF THAT SPACE AND AN EVALUATION OF WHAT SERVICES THE CITY COULD USE IN THERE AND DETERMINED THAT IT

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WAS GOING TO BE THE DEMOCRACY CENTER AFTER WE KNEW THAT WE COULD HAVE SAVED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF WE HAD ST, LIKE, CLEANED THAT BUILDING UP AND USED IT VERSUS LIKE, THE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE -- I MEAN, THERE WAS A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE SPENT

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TO ACQUIRE A NEW BUILDING, AND THEN ARE GOING TO EQUIP IT TO BE THE NEW PRECINCT VERSUS WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE WITH THE OLD BUILDING. BUT THE COMMUNITY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE, RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE

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LAST THING IS, I MEAN,OU MAYBE CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'LL ASK SOMEONE ELSE. BUT FIREARMS TRAINING IS NOT JUST LIKE GO DO FIREARMS TRAINING OVER THERE. YOU GOTTA HAVE A CONTRACT. THERE'S DAYS AND DAYS

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WHEN YOU DO FIREARMS TRAINING. GUNS AND FACILITIES ARE SET UP DIFFERENTLY FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF GUNS. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF LIKE HOW MUCH A FULL ON FIREARMS TRAINING WOULD BE FOR ALL OF

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MPD'S REQUIREMENTS? >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, THERE ARE PARTS OF THAT QUESTION THAT I WILL HAVE TO DECLINE ANSWERING BECAUSE I'M NOT IN THE OPERATIONS OF POLICE, AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE

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QUALIFICATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET ANNUALLY. THAT'S JUST NOT MY PLACE TO ASK. I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, THAT SINCE MARCH 24TH, WHEN THIS WAS SENT

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BACK TO STAFF FOR FURTHER RESEARCH AND RECONSIDERATION, WE DID TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING WITH TOURING, ASKING QUESTIONS OF PLACES THAT DO PROVIDE FIREARMS

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TRAINING LIKE THE HERO CENTER. TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ANNUAL COSTS OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. WE RECENTLY RECEIVED THE ANNUAL REPORT FROM THE HERO CENTER FOR 2025. SOME INTERESTING POINTS

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THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ARE ON AVERAGE IT COSTS $3,200 PER OFFICER OR PER INDIVIDUAL PER ANNEM JUST FOR TRAINING SPACE AT

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THAT FACILITY. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE TRAINER OR ANY OF THE THINGS. SO IF WE WERE TO DO BASIC MATH, IF WE WERE TO UTILIZE THAT CENTER, WHICH WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE AT CAPACITY AND THEY CAN'T TAKE ALL OF US.

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BUT LET'S JUST SAY HYPOTHETICALLY AT THAT RATE WITH THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT MINNEAPOLIS HAS, IT WOULD BE OVER $2 MILLION A YEAR. >> SO $2 MILLION A YEAR JUST FOR THE BASIC RANGE TRAINING? >> YEAH.

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>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS CONTRACT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY IS KIND OF LIKE A SPECIALTY TRAINING. IT'S NOT LIKE -- IT'S LIKE A CERTAIN KIND OF -- I'M SORRY. DIRECTOR. >> YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

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>> I'VE ASKED QUESTIONS TO COMMITTEE, AFTER COMMITTEE. THIS IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT HAPPENS. I KNOW I TALK A LOT ABOUT THE GUN RANGE AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT THERE. BUT THERE ARE OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT THIS TRAINING

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FACILITY COULD HOUSE LIKE THE DRIVING RANGE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER CONTRACT WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT COSTS FOR POLICE TO DO THE DRIVING

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TRAINING. THEY CAN DO FIRE TRUCK TRAINING. WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY FOR THE PROPER FIRE LADDERS, AND YOU KNOW, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. WHERE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT LIKE THIS ONE CONTRACT WITH THE GUN RANGE THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY, THERE ARE

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OTHER PARTS OF THIS THAT WOULD BE HOUSED IN THIS FACILITY WHERE IF WE COMBINE THE RESOURCES, I MEAN, I THINK OVERALL IT SOUNDS LIKE COST SAVINGS, AND YOU KNOW, ALLEVIATING TRAUMA FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS A BIG FACTOR. BUT IT

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CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO BE NOT ONLY NOW BUT YEARS TO COME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING CONTRACTS WITH MULTIPLE AGENCIES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EVEN HAVE ROOM FOR US TO USE THEIR FACILITY. THAT'S

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ALSO AN ASSUMPTION, TOO, THAT THE REGULAR TRAINING FOR MPD COULD BE USED IN THESE FACILITIES ALSO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON.

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>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. IT IS TO MY UNDERSTANDING AND SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INVESTMENT IN DOING THIS TRAINING FACILITY

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WAS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL BODY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY ON OVER A YEAR OR SO AGO. >> I THINK THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE IGR PLATFORM.

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>> I'M SORRY. VICE CHAI CHUGHTAI AND COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN, I'M NOT -- I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I'M SORRY. I THINK I BELIEVE YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT -- >> CAN YOU PROVIDE CLARIFICATION, VICE CHAIR.

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>> I'M HAPPY TO. IN DECEMBER LAST YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE IGR PLATFORM, WHICH WE GO TO THE CAPITAL AND LOBBY FOR THOSE PRIORITIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. THIS PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING AND WELLNESS

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FACILITY WAS INCLUDED IN THE IGR PLATFORM. >> OKAY. SO IT WAS SOMETHING THIS BODY DECIDED ABOUT IN THE IGR PLATFORM IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. >> TO GO AND ASK THE STATE FOR MONEY FOR THIS, YEAH. >> SO YOU ASKED THE STATE FOR MONEY FOR THIS LAST YEAR IN DECEMBER? AND THEY PROVIDED YOU

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WITH FUNDING FOR THAT? >> NOPE. >> NO? OKAY. >> NOPE. >> BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY DECIDED UPON AT THAT TIME? >> AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND THEN WE WENT AND LOBBIED FOR IT OVER E COURSE

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OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION I BELIEVE -- >> NO. SHE'S SAYING NO. >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. >> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. >> OKAY. >> AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY MONEY. >> ALL RIGHT. SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A DECISION THAT WAS MADE AND EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD WITH IT. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S

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CHANGED. AND I HEAR INDIVIDUALS ON THIS BODY SAYING, YES, WE CARE ABOUT THE NORTHSIDE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IN THE NORTHSIDE. BUT THE NORTHSIDE ALWAYS HAS TO HURRY UP AND WAIT. AND WE HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF AREA CONCENTRATED POVERTY IN THE

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CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. THE HIGHEST LEVEL. BUT WE ALWAYS GOTTA HURRY UP AND WAIT. TAKE A BACK SEAT. LET US THINK ABOUT IT. LET US GO OVER HERE, FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. AND WE'RE THE LAST ONES TO RECEIVE

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AN INVESTMENT OR REMOVAL OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT SERVING OUR COMMUNITY IN THE CAPACITY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SERVED. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YEAH, IT'S LAND ACQUISITION, $6 MILLION TODAY. GO AHEAD AND SPEND THAT $6 MILLION TODAY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON IT

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LATER. BECAUSE INFLATION OF LAND PRICES ARE GOING TO JUST GO UP. SO WHEN IT'S TIME TO PURCHASE ANOTHER PARCEL OF LAND WHETHER IT BE TWO YEARS FROM NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO SPEND FOR MONEY. IF YOU CAN GET IT AT A DISCOUNT NOW, PURCHASE

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IT WHILE IT'S ON SPECIAL BECAUSE YOU KNOW NO ONE IS PUTTING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUT HERE TO MAKE GREAT DEALS OF MONEY THAT EVERYBODY IS SO EXCITED ABOUT SPENDING. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IN THE LAND NOW WHILE YOU DEVISE A PLAN

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BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A TRAINING FACILITY. THAT YOU KNOW. BUT YOU HAVE TO DEVISE A PLAN OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME. I MEAN. EVERYONE SAYS, OH, THEY CARE SO MUCH ABOUT NORTH MINNEAPOLIS.

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WELL I CAN'T DAMN TELL. I CAN'T TELL. I CAN'T TELL. BECAUSE WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR AS IT PERTAINS TO NORTH MINNEAPOLIS OR REMOVING THGS FROM NORTH MINNEAPOLIS THAT DO NOT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND ITS CAPACITY, EVERYONE DRAGS

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THEIR FEET AND IS VERY DISMISSIVE ABOUT THE THINGS THAT NORTH MINNEAPOLIS NEEDS. AND THAT'S REALLY TIRESOME AND MENTALLY EXHAUSTING. SO I CAN'T SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE SO CONCERNED BUT YOU WANT TO COME OVER THERE, YOU WANT TO EAT FRIED CHICKEN.

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YOU WANT TO KICK IT IN THE PARKS. YOU WANT TO HANG WITH THE PEOPLE. YOU THINK IT'S COOL, IT'S CUTE, IT'S FUN, WHATEVER ELSE THE CASE IS. BUT WHEN WE'RE TELLING YOU WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE IN THE NORTHSE, NO ONE PAYS ATTENTION TO WHAT THE

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NORTHSIDE'S NEEDS ARE. IT'S EXHAUSTING AND IT'S DISRESPECTFUL. EVERYTHING OVER SOUTH GETS ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. YOU GOT A WHOLE NEW THIRD PRECINCT. BURNT THE LAST ONE DOWN. WE COULD HAVE USED THAT SAME BUILDING. AND THEN THE

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MONEY THAT WAS USED TO BUILD A WHOLE NEW THIRD PRECINCT COULD HAVE WENT TO BUILDING THIS TRAINING FACILITY, AND WE COULD GET THIS STUFF OUT OF NORTH MINNEAPOLIS. BUT INSTEAD,OBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT. SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT IT'S PEOPLE ON THIS BODY THAT REALLY

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TRULY CARE ABOUT THE NORTHSIDE THE WAY THEY SAY THEY CARE ABOUT THE NORTHSIDE. IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE NORTHSIDE, THEN VOTE TO PURCHASE THIS LAND SO WE CAN RESHAPE THE NORTHSIDE THE WAY THE NORTHSIDE NEEDS TO BE RESHAPED AND INVEST IN THE

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NORTHSIDE THE WAY THE NORTHSIDE NEEDS TO BE INVESTED IN. THE END. >> NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU. THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT A NEW TRAINING FACILITY IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.

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WE NEED TO TRAIN OUR OFFICERS DIFFERENTLY IN THIS NEW FACILITY. AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER POLICING. THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH A PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF RACISM. AND I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE WON'T HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE POLICE

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DEPARTMENT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HOLD OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. THERE WAS THE RECENT HARASSMENT OF TRANS SECURITY GUARD. WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING A LAWSUIT ON THAT I'M SURE VERY SOON. THAT'S A BEHAVIOR ISSUE. NOBODY JUST

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HARASSES TRANS PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TRAINED PROPERLY ON HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE. THERE WAS THE MURDER OF AMIR LOCKE. INSTEAD OF THE OFFICER BEING DISCIPLINED, THE OFFICER WAS PROMOTED TO BE THE HEAD OF WELLNESS IN MPD. THEN THERE WAS

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THE UNDER POLICING OF DAVIS MOTURI AND PROTECTING DAVIS MOTURI. AND YET, NO OFFICERS HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MANY REPEATED DOCUMENTED, LET'S CALL THEM MISTAKES, NO ONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.

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PUBLIC SAFETY WON'T IMPROVE IN A PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF RACISM WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UNTIL OFFICERS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. WE CAN HAVE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES ON THE FACE OF THE

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PLANET, BUT IF WE LET OFFICERS DO ANYTHING THEY WANT AND DON'T HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT, WE WILL CONTINUE TO GET OFFICERS DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW THAT IS HARASSING TRANS SECURITY GUARDS, THAT IS MURDERING BLACK MEN

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WHILE THEY HAVE BLANKETS COVERING THEM. THAT IS NOT PROTECTING BLACK MEN FROM THEIR RACIST NEIGHBORS, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. NOT TO MENTION ALLI ALLISON LUSSIER. CAN WE PLEASE

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DROP THIS FRAMING THAT IF WE JUST HAD BETTER FACILITIES OR WE JUST HAD DIFFERENT TRAINING, THAT WE WOULD NOT SEE THE GROSS, GROSS MISBEHAVIOR BY SOME OFFICERS. WHAT WE NEED IS WE

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NEED ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OFFICERS. AND JUST AS A NOTE, I WAS LOOKING INTO PAST COMPLAINTS. SOMEBODY WAS SHOWING ME THE DASHBOARD OF PAST COMPLAINTS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THOUGHT OH, I SHOULD LOOK UP THE OFFICER WHO SHOT ME. HE HAS ONE COMPLAINT.

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IT'S NOT FROM ME. I REALIZED LATER I NEVER ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT AND THAT IS TO QUOTE MY LAWYER, THE PROCESS IS A JOKE. HE HAD A COMPLAINT FOR GETTING A DUI IN 2023. IT TOOK OVER A YEAR FOR HIM TO GET

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SUSPENDED FOR FOUR DAYS. FOUR DAYS UNPAID VACATION FOR GETTING A DUI GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR DRUNK ON THE FREEWAY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OFFICERS RIGHT NOW. WE ARE NOT TREATING THEM TO THE LEVEL THAT WE TREAT

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EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBER. WE HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS OF EVERYONE ELSE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE CHANGES IN OUR DEPARTMENT UNTIL WE DEMAND THE CHANGES IN OUR DEPARTMENT. AND I'D REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO DISPENSE WITH THE IDEA THAT A

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NEW FACILITY WOULD SUDDENLY GET US OFFICERS WHO ARE BEHAVING PROPERLY IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW UP AND DEMAND THAT OFFICERS BEHAVE PROPERLY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE'VE GOT FIVE ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS IN QUEUE

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RIGHT NOW. IT'S 3:09 P.M. AND WE HAVE CAPTIONERS UNTIL 4:30. THAT'S NOT TO SAY I'M ASKING ANYONE TO GET OUT OF QUEUE. IT'S TO NOTE WE HAVE ONE MORE DISCUSSION ITEM AFTER THIS. I'LL NEXT RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER

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WONSLEY, FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. >> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. JUST A COUPLE CORRECTIVE FRAMINGS. FIRST, WITH THIS IDEA THAT THE CONSENT DECREE MEANS THAT OUR CITY HAS TO BASICALLY BANKRUPT OURSELVES

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IN ORDER TO HAVE POLICE OFFICERS THAT DO NOT ABUSE THE HUMAN OR CIVIL LIBERTIES OF OUR BLACK, BROWN, AND INDIGENOUS RESIDENTS IS JUST PREPOSTEROUS. WE DO NOT HAVE TO ALLOW OURSELVES TO CONTINUALLY BE PUT IN A NEGATIVE

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NET POSITION BY ONE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S CONSTANTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND THE CONSENT DECREE IS USED OH, YOU WANT OFFICERS WHO DON'T ABUSE YOU OR BRUTALIZE YOU, YES, THAT MEANS TAXPAYERS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE BUCK FOR THAT. THAT'S

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SIMPLY NOT TRUE. WE ARE HERE TO HELP CONTROL THE PURSE OF THE CITY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO RUBBER STAMP EVERY SINGLE THING THAT SAYS OH, IT'S FOR THE POLICE. WE CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND SAY IS THIS ACTUALLY A NEED? IS THERE ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH WE

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CAN REPURPOSE EXISTING CITY DOLLARS TO MEET OTHER NEEDS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CLIMATE RESILIENCY. THAT'S EXACTLYHAT THIS BODY DID IN DECEMBER WHERE WE TOOK THE MONEY AWAY FROM THIS PRECT AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IT IN KEEPING OUR STREETS SAFER. REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE

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USING A MOBILITY DEVICE, IF YOU'RE A FAMILY USING A STROLLER. IF YOU NEED TO GET AROUND OUR CITY SAFER, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WE INVESTED THE $5 MILLION THAT WERE ALLOCATED TOWARDS THIS PROJECT AND REDIRECTED IT. THAT WAS A SIGNAL THAT THIS PROJECT

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DID NOT HAVE BUY-IN FROM THE BODY. THAT IS THE CONTINUED THEME THAT WE CAN APPROACH ELEFA. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT'S ACTUALLY INCLUSIVE OF WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS ALREADY DOING

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NOW. COLLEAGUE MENTIONED NO ONE IS LISTENING TO NORTHSIDE. THIS IS ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE FREY ADMINISTRATION IS LISTENING. OUTDOOR RANGE FACILITY THAT IS DMG BEFORE THIS BODY, I JUST WANT TO READ WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION SUBMITTED IN

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TERMS OF WHAT THIS WILL DO. THIS PROPOSAL REQUESTS THAT MINNEAPOLIS POLICE ENTERS INTO A CONTRA WITH FOREST LAKE SPORTSMEN'S CLUB TO PROVIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING FACILITIES BEGIN JUNE 1ST OF THIS YEAR,

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2026, THROUGH MAY 31ST OF 2029 FOR THE AMOUNT OF $300,000. AND THIS IS TO PROVIDE POLICE STORAGE, TRAINING FACILITIES. FULL USE OF THE FACILITY WHILE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC DURG POLICE USE. SO THEY WILL GO

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THERE AND BE ABLEO SHOOT, ESSENTLLY. AND THAT STARTS NEXT MONTH. IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THIS WAS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY LISTENED AND SAID LET'S FIND A WAY TO GET THESE SERVICES OUT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE'RE SAYING YES, KEEP GOING IN

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THAT DIRECTION. WHAT IS WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS BRINGING FORWARD BECAUSE THEY HEARD THOSE CONCERNS. WE CAN CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THAT AND SAY, YES, LET'S CONTINUE DOING A DECENTRALIZED MODEL OF PROVIDING FOR THESE TRAINING NEEDS OF

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POLICE THAT DOES NOT WARRANT THE FORMATION OF A 40 PLUS MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING. THAT IS SIMPLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. NOT TO MAKE THIS FACILITY HAPPEN BUT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GO BANKRUPT IN THE PURSUIT OF IT. I ALSO WANTED TO FRAME, AGAIN, THIS IDEA THAT WE CAN BUY IT AND

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THEN PLAN FOR IT AND THAT THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE WE'VE DONE THAT. PARTICULARLY WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS COMMUNITY SAFE CENTER THAT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED IN MY WARD. IN FACT, WE DID NOT DO THAT. I HAD TO

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LOOK BACK. BEFORE WE DID THE ACQUISITION OF THAT PARCEL OF 2633 MINNEHAHA, MAYOR FREY SENT A 40-PAGE MEMO OUTLINING WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN THAT. THE PROGRAMMATIC INTENTIONS OF THAT

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CENTER THAT WOULD HAVE INCLUDED COMMUNITY SAFETY RESPONSES AND PREVENTIVE RESPONSES. AND THAT 40-PAGE MEMO LAID THE BASIS FOR WHAT PROVIDED FUNDING OF COUNCIL. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOCIALORK SERVICES. THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL THESE TYPE OF

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MENTAL HEALTH RESPONSES THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING THERE. BUT THEY SHARED A PLAN BEFORE ASKING US TO BUY THAT PARCEL. SO WE HAVE ONCE AGAIN SAW THAT THIS IS A TYPICAL PRACTICE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GO IN MAKING NEW

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PURCHASES WITHOUT THOUGHTFUL PLANNING. AND IF WE DO DECIDE TO DO IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE FOR THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING. WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF GETTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN COMPLIANCE FOR NOT ABUSING HUMAN

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RIGHTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS OF OUR RESIDENTS. LET'S ACTUALLY BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. LET'S ACTUALLY BUILD PLAYGROUNDS FOR OUR FAMILIES AND KEEP THEM HERE. FUN STUFF. THIS IS NOT IT. I

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JUST WANTED TO BRING CLARIFICATION. I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. I WON'T BE SUPPORTING SOFT RESOLUTIONS. I'M READY TO TRULY TAKE THE $40 MILLION AND REDIRECT IT IN THE PLACES THAT WE KNOW WILL ACTUALLY KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE

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AND RAISE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. >> YES. I HAVE A REQUEST, AND I'M NOT SURE, DIRECTOR O'BRIEN, IF THIS WOULD BE FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT OR A REQUEST TO ANOTHER STAFF PERSON. BUT WE'VE

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TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS DECISION. AND I THINK WHAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US AND MY COLLEAGUES, OR MYSELF IN PARTICULAR, IS WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL COSTS THAT WERE SPENDING ON DECENTRALIZED TRAINING AT THIS POINT IN TIME

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ACROSS THE BOARD? NOT JUST FOR POLICE BUT FOR FIRE, FOR ANY KIND OF MULTI-SILOED PRACTICE EXERCISES BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS OFFSITE. I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US A REALLY CLEAR PICTURE OF

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WHAT ARE WE SPENDING CURRENTLY FOR DECENTRALIZED TRAINING, AND INCLUDING THE1.2 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE SOC THAT'S GOING AT A 20% INCREASE EVERY YEAR FROM NOW THROUGH 2029. AND THEN ALSO, SO FACITIES AND PEOPLE

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TRAINING, AND ANY OTHER CATEGORY THAT WOULD BE IN THAT TRAINING CATEGORY. AND THEN ALSO, HOLDING THAT TO AS BEST WE CAN ESTIMATE WHAT OF THOSE ACTIVITIES COULD BE HANDLED ON A NEW SITE, IN

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PARTICULAR THOSE FOUR ACRES. MAYBE SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL COULDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OF SIZE. I DON'T KNOW. IF W COULD GET A FISCAL COMPARISON OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND WHAT WE SPEND ON AINING EVERYWHERE, AND THEN

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WHAT OF THOSE PIECES WOULD WE POTENTIALLY CONSIDER MOVING TO THIS SITE AND WHAT WOULD BE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? IS THAT A FEASIBLE REQUEST? >> THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION FOR A FOLLOW-UP RESPONSE. I DON'T THINK DIRECTOR

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O'BRIEN WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. >> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. >> CLERKS, IF WE COULD FOLLOW UP MEMO. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY, I HAVE TO DIG MORE INTO IT. I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING IF WE'RE IGNORING A DIRECTION FROM ELEFA, IT

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SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN GO BACK AND ASK THEM SOMETHING ELSE. I WILL GET CLARITY AND DO MY OWN HOMEWORK ON THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT US TO LOOK BACK ON THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THEN REALIZE WE COULD HAVE CHECKED THAT BOX AND DONE IT IN A MUCH MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY. THAT'S MY ONLY

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FINAL COMMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING, FLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. IF IT'S ACTUALLY OKAY WITH BOTH OF YOU, CAN I JUMP IN WITH SOME QUESTIONS?

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OKAY. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR O'BRIEN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING BACK. I SEE THAT BULK OF THE FUNDING FOR THE SITE ACQUISITION, THE $6 MILLION FOR SITE ACQUISITION IS COMING OUT OF THE ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL

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FACILITY CAPITAL BUDGET ABOUT JUST $3.8 MILLION IS COMING FROM THE MINNEAPOLIS ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL FACILITY OR PSD22. IT HAS BEEN A PART OF THE CITY'S CAPITAL BUDGET FOR SEVERAL YEARS

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NOW. I BELIEVE DATING BACK TO 2022. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH OLD CLIC RECORDS DURING OUR COUNCIL STUDY SESSION AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS A SECTION IN

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SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT ABOUT THE CAPITAL BUDGET THAT REFERENCED THAT A PORTION OF THE CAPITAL FUNDING WOULD BE USED TO UNDERGO A STUDY FOR THE ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL FACILITY. IT'S BEEN A

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FEW YEARS SINCE APPROVED. CAN YOU TELL ME IF A STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED ON THIS FACILITY? >> YES, VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI, THANK YOU. GREAT QUESTION THAT I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. AND THAT IS WHY THIS FUNDING WAS IDENTIFIED FOR T RESOURCE IN

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THE FIRST PLACE. A STUDY WAS DONE PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE BUILDING HAS HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH BEING UNDERSIZED. AND MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE BUILDING

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GENERALLY. SO WE DID AN OVERALL STUDY WITH A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT THAT CAME IN AND LOOKED AT THE BUILDING AND HOW IT FUNCTIONS. AND WHAT SUGGESTED MODIFICATIONS COULD BE MADE SO THAT WE COULD BETTER FUNCTION

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THERE WITH ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL. WHEN THE BUILDING WAS FIRST DESIED AND BUILT, IT WAS INTENDED FOR DOMESTIC ANIMALS, DOGS, CATS. TODAY, WE FUNCTION

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WITH A LOT OF EXOTIC ANIMALS AS WELL. AND THEY ARE HOUSED THERE. CARED FOR THERE. THE SURGICAL SUITE THAT WAS IN THAT BUILDING NEEDED TO BE MOVED AND CHANGED

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TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEEDS. TODAY, THE SURGICAL SUITE IS KIND OF IN A THROUOREATHOREAU T

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WITHIN THE BUILDING. IT'S ON THE BOULEVARD. THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ISSUES WITH ACCESS FOR ADOPTION, PET ADOPTION,AND PEOPLE COMING TO THAT VERY SAME LOBBY OR SPACE

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FOR DISPUTES ABOUT ANIMALS OR OTHER REASONS. THERE'S VERY LITTLE SPACE OR DIVISION. THE STUDY ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED THAT IN ORDER TO MEET THE SPACE

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NEEDS OF THE CARE OF ANIMAL AND SURGICAL SUITE, THAT THE ADOPTION PORTION WOULD HAVE TO MOVE OUTSIDE AND WE'D HAVE TO FIND A NEW SPOT FOR THAT. THEY ALSO IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF

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DEFICIENCIES IN HVAC AND ELECTRICAL, WHICH IS INDICATIVE OF THE AGE OF THE BUILDING. SO UPON FURTHER REVIEW, AND LISTENING TO THE DATA, YOU KNOW, PAYING ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS AND THE DATA COMING INTO US, IT

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MADE MORE SENSE FOR US TO PUT NEW PROJECT IN THE PROGRAM FOR ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL THAT WOULKEEP THOSE FUNCTIONS ALL TOGETHER. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OUTDOOR SPACE FOR ANIMALS, WHICH IS WAY MORE HUMANE. AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO

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KEEP ANIMALS FROM HAVING TO BE TRANSPORTED DAILY FOR ADOPTION PURPOSES IF WE WERE TO USE ANOTHER ADOPTION LOCATION. SO THE DECISION WAS MADE TO PUT A

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NEW PROJECT IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM LEAVING US WITH AVAILABLDOLLARS THAT COULD BE APPLIED FOR THIS SITE PURCHASE. I HOPE I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. >> YEAH. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL -- YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF

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YOU CAN SEND THAT REPORT THAT WAS COMPLETED TO THE BODY. THANK YOU. AND THEN CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE -- SHIFTING GEARS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE SITE THAT IS

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PROPOSED TO BE ACQUIRED? >> SO THE TAX VALUE IS $2.4 MILLION. OFTENTIMES THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TAX

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VALUE AND A MARKET VALUE. >> YUP. >> AND SO WE DID HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO DO A EVALUATION OF

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VALUE. THE OFFER THAT WE ORIGINALLY MADE WAS RIGHT IN LINE WITH AT. WE RECEIVED A COUNTER OFFERED. WE COUNTERED ONE MORE TIME. WE ARE NOT FAR OFF OF THE INDEPENDENT EVALUATOR'S ESTIMATE FOR THIS PROJECT PROPERTY. AGAIN, THERE'S

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A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAXABLE VALUE AND MARKET VALUE. >> SO $2.4 MILLION IS THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY, YEAH? AM I RECALLING THAT NUMBER CORRECTLY? >> $4.3 MILLION. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.

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>> SOMETHING WE HAVE HEARD TO BE TRUE BY THE CITY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, AND THEN ANECDOTALLY IN THE ECOSYSTEM AROUND THE SALE OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES IN MINNEAPOLIS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SINCE WE HAVE COME

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OUT OF COVID IS THAT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PARTIES ARE BEING SOLD AT SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THEIR ASSESSED VALUE. IT'S CREATED A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM AROUND HOW WE BUDGET. IT'S CREATED SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS

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AROUND THE TAX BURDEN AND HOW IT IMPACTS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SO IT JUST STRIKES ME THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. BUT WE ARE PURCHASING IT FOR FAR ABOVE ABOUT THREE TIMES GREATER THAN ITS ASSESSED

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VALUE WHEN WE ARE SEEING IN THE ECOSYSTEM THAT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES ARE SELLING FOR FAR BELOW THEIR ASSESSED VALUE. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND? I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO GET INTO THE DISCREPANCY HERE. BUT I'M JUST NOTING THAT THAT'S

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SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME. CAN YOU -- I'LL JUST SHIFT GEARS TO MY LAST QUESTION THEN. SOMETHING THAT HAS STRUCK ME IS

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THE COST THAT COMES WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF PARCELS OF LAND THAT THE CITY OWNS. I REMEMBER I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TOLD US THAT IT WAS COSTING SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF $250,000

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EVERY SINGLE MONTH TO JUST HAVE -- JUST TO MAINTAIN THE RO DEPOT SITE. ARE WE ACCOUNTING FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF SITE, SECURITY, ADDITIONAL

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SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS DURING CONSTRUCTION IN THIS $38 MILLION BUDGET? >> MM-HMM. >> HOW MUCH OF THAT IS THIS COST? >> SO CHAIR, VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI, OF COURSE, THERE WOULD BE WHAT WE CALL HOLDING COSTS

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UNTIL THE BUILDING GOES INTO CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN THE DICHOTOMY KIND OF CHANGES. SO WHILE WE WOULD HAVE THE PROPERTY DURING DESIGN AND

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PRE-CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THOSE HOLDING COSTS WOULD BE. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE THE PRIMARILY THE BOND SERVICES FOR THE DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH THE

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PURCHASING. AND THEN WE WOULD DO OUR OWN INTERNAL SECURITY OBSERVATIONS WITH OUR MOBILE UNIT. THIS SITE IS DIFFERENT. SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ROOF DEPOT SITE BECAUSE THE ROOF

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DEPOT SITE IS MOSTLY CONSUMED BY A FACILITY THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONDITIONED OR DOES NOT HAVE FIRE SUPPRESSION OR ELECTRICITY OR ANY OF THE THINGS. SO WE REALLY NEEDED TO PAY ATTENTION

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THAT NOBODY WAS THERE AND GETTING HURT AND SECURING IT. SO THIS IS AN OPEN SITE. SO THE SECURITY WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. NOT VOID BUT DIFFERENT. >> AND HAVE WE ACCOUNTED FOR

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COSTS? I MEAN, CERTAINLY IT WOULDN'T EXIST WITHIN A CAPITAL BUDGET. ASSETS WE OWN WE THEN PAY TO MAINTAIN THEM. EVERYTHING FROM JANITORIAL SERVICES TO JUST BASIC STAFFING. HAVE WE ACCOUNTED FOR COSTS LIKE THAT

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THAT ARE GOING TO BE BAKED IN FOR THE LIFE OF THE BUILDING WHILE WE OWN IT? >> YEAH. SO THAT IS ALSO PART OF -- I MEAN, THERE ARE GENERAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY IN THE GENERAL ESTIMATING.

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AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE DESIGN FINALI FINALIZATION, THOSE THINGS ARE DEFINITELY FLUSHED OUT. AND THEN STAFFING AND -- >> WELL THAT'S NOT A PLEASANT SOUND. WE'LL WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO TELL US THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG.

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WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. >> OKAY. THE -- I'M SORRY. >> I'M SO SORRY. >> I'M SORRY. LET ME JUST RECOLLECT WHERE I WAS. THE

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STAFFING IS GENERALLY A DEPARTMENTAL PROVISION. BUILDING THAT COME ONLINE THAT ARE OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS THEN FALL INTO OUR RENT MODEL AND THEY ARE -- OPERATIONS ARE PAID FOR THAT WAY.

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>> THANK YOU. I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING, AND THEN WE'LL HOPEFULLY CALL THE ROLL ON THIS ITEM. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. AND I WILL BE BRIEF AGAIN ON THIS. AND I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON NOTING, RIGHT, THAT

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BUILDINGS DON'T CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY. AND I THINK I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON ON THAT POINT. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, WE'D NOTE WHAT DOES BRING ABOUT ACCOUNTSABILITY IS ALL THE THINGS THAT I TNK ARE IN THE CONSENT DECREE AND THE

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SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH PARTS OF THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. THERE'S NOTES FROM ELEFA THAT THEY'VE APPROVED THIS FACILITY JUST LIKE THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT YOU NEED TO

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CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THE OFFICE OF POLICE CONDUCT REVIEW, TO INVEST IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS, TO INVEST IN EVERY SINGLE THING THAT THE CONSENT DECREE. --

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THESE THINGS WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER. AND IF YOU LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE CONSENT DECREE CITY ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ARE ENGAGING IN INVESTMENTS ACROSS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ECOSYSTEM. WHAT THAT

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REQUIRES IS, AGAIN, INVESTMENTS IN ALL THINGS PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T WANT A CITY THAT BEGINS TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THOSE REFORMS ARE. IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT EXPERTS HAS GIVEN US, IT IS WHY WE A PAYING $1.5 MILLION. IT IS WHY

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WE ARE PAYING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, FOR MPD, FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS RELATED TO ENGAGING IN POLICE REFORM WORK. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, I AM TRUSTING THAT WORK TO MOVE FORWARD. AND SO RIGHT, I THINK THE MOMENT

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THAT WE START CHERRY PICKING THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO WITHIN OUR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND WITHIN THE CONSENT DECREE AND WITHIN THE SE AND THRIVING COMMUNITIES REPORT IS WHEN WE START TO MOVE OUTSIDE OF WHAT ACTUALLY MES OUR CITY AND REFORM FORWARD. I THINK WE ALL

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HAVE THE SAME COMMITMENT UP HERE THAT WE WANT TO SEE THESE REFORMS MOVE FORWARD AND REFORMS OF MPD SO WE DON'T ENGAGE IN THE SAME PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICING THAT WE HAVE SEEN. AND TWO NON-BIASED GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES HAVE TOLD US WE HAVE TO DO. RIGHT? I AM

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LISTENING TO THOSE AGREEMENTS, AS I KNOW MANY OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES ARE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE LISTENING TO THESE THINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US. SO I AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATION THAT IS HAPPENING UP HERE. I KNOW WE,

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AGAIN, SHARE THE COMMUNAL, UNIVERSAL NEED TO IMPROVE SAFETY, AND THIS BODY IS FIGURING OUT THE WAY TO GET TO IT. I APPRECIATE YOU DIRECTSOR O'BRIEN AND THE REST OF THE TEAM

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AND HOPE WE CAN GET TO SOME AGREEMENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. >> I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HOLD IT IN. THIS OUTDOOR RANGE SITUATION IS REALLY BOTHERING ME BECAUSE IT IS AN OUTDOOR RANGE. OFFICERS HAVE TO BE CLEARED YEARLY TO DO

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OUTSIDE RANGE ACTIVITIES. THIS IS ONE COMPONENT OF A CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR LIKE 20 YEARS. IT'S NOT A NEW THING. IT'S NOT SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE FOR THE MAYOR OR ANYONE TO SAY LET'S CHANGE HOW SHOOTING

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HAPPENS IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS. THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING THE ENTIRE TIME THAT POLICE ARE DOING THEIR RANGE ACTIVITIES AT THE FACILITY IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATE FOR

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OFFICERS TO BE ABLE TO CARRY A GUN THAT DOES NOT STOP THEM FROM NEEDING AN INDOOR FACILITY. >> THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE MOTION TO FORWARD THIS WITHOUT

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RECOMMENDATION TO THURSDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING. >> CRAZY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> E. >> RAINVILLE IS ABSENT. VETAW. >> AYE. >> WARREN. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> AYE. >> SHAFFER. >> AYE. >> STEVENSON.

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>> AYE. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> WHITING. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> AYE. >> AND VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE 10 AYES. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES. AND THIS ITEM IS FORWARDED WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. WE WILL NOW TAKE

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UP OUR FINAL ITEM ON THIS AGENDA. THIS IS A RESPOE TO A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE FROM MYSELF AND COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW REQUESTING INFORMATION ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S 2025

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SPENDING. FOR THIS ITEM, I WILL WELCOME UP CHIEF O'HARA AND DEPUTY CFO DISCENZA TO PRESENT ON THIS ITEM. I KNOW THE CHIEF WILL BE JOINING US AS WELL. >> HE WILL, YES. THANK YOU,

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CHAIR. I'M JUST GOING TO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.

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>> TAKE YOUR TIME.

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>> OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M JAYNE DISCENZA. SO I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE DECK FOR YOU, BUT I DO HAVE A MEMO THAT'S BEING

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DISPLAYED. AND WE'RE CHOOSING TO DISPLAY THE INFORMATION IN THIS WAY BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR A LOT OF FINANCIAL DETAIL. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO NAVIGATE THE MEMO AND FIND THE INFORMATION THEY'RE OKING FOR. SO I WILL WALK THROUGH THIS

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MEMO AND I IMAGINE YOU WILL HAV FOR ME AND MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP. THE FIRST IS A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF BUDGET OVERAGES IN THE DEPARTMENT IN THE PRIOR YEAR BY THE CATEGORIES LISTED IN THE LD.

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SO FIRST, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT DEPARTMENT'S BUDGETS ARE ADOPTED AT THE DEPARTMENT AND FUND LEVEL. WE MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF THE YEAR THAT OVERAGES IN ONE AREA MAY BE OFFSET BY ONE AREA OF SPENDING AND ANOTHER. DEPARTMENTS WORK

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WITH FINANCE ANNUALLY TO TRUE UP THEIR BUDGETS TO REFLECT ACTUAL SPENDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT WE KNOW WE DON'T ALWAYS GET IT 100% CORRECT EVERY YEAR. ON PAGE TWO, YOU'LL NOTE THERE IS A TABLE THAT HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO WALK THROUGH HOW TO READ THROUGH THIS. SO

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WHAT WE DID HERE WAS PULL GENERAL FUND EXPENSES FOR MPD SO THAT YOU CAN COMPARE AGAINST THEIR 2025 BUDGET. SO THOSE ARE BROKEN OUT BY CATEGORY, AND THEN BELOW THE CATEGORY, YOU HAVE THE MORE DETAILED ACUNT DESCRIPTION. SO FOR EXAMPLE, TO

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READ THE SALARIES LINE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE 2025 BUDGET IN THE GENERAL FUND, POLICE WERE BUDGETED FOR JUST ABOUT $110 MILLION OF SALARIES. THEY SPENT A LITTLE OVER $99 MILLION. SO THERE WAS UNDER SPENDING IN

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THAT ACCOUNT CODE OF $10.7 MILLION. SO THAT'S HOW YOU READ THAT TABLE. ANOTHER ITEM TO NOTE AS MANY OF YOU KNOW FROM PAST CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL PRESENTATIONS, WE DO NOT INFLATE

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NON-PERSONNEL BUDGETS YEAR-TO-YEAR. SO YOU MIGHT NOTICE FOR EXAMPLE TO TAKE PRINTING AS ONE EXAMPLE. THE DEPARTMENT HAD A BUDGET OF $70,000 FOR PRINTING. BUT THEY SPENT $127,000 OF PRINTING. PRINTING IS NOT A BUDGET THAT

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GETS INFLATED JUST AS A NORMAL COURSE OF DOING BUSINESS. SO A DEPARTMENT WOULD EITHER NEED TO SHIFT RESOURCES AROUND TO COVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR THEY WOULD NEED TO COME TO YOU TO ASK FOR BUDGET INCREASE. THE SECOND QUESTION ASKS ABOUT THE

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MPD'S SPENDING ON THE MOTORCYCLE UNIT. THOSE MOTORCYCLES WERE PURCHASED IN 2025 FROM THE 01210 FUND WHICH IS THEIR SPECIAL REVENUE FUND FOR FORFEITURE. MPD SUBMITTED THAT REQUEST AND

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WORKED THROUGH THE FLEET DEPARTMENT TO PURCHASE THOSE MOTORCYCLES AT $126,000. THERE IS NO PLANNED ONGOING MAINTENANCE OREPLACEMENT OF THOSE VEHICLES IN THE FLEET ALLOCATION MODEL. NEXT, THE

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COUNCIL ASKED ABOUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT ON DEPARTMENT VEHICLES THAT WERE ACQUIRED BETWEEN 2023 AND 2025. SO WE LOOKED FOR INFORMATION ON NEW VEHICLES ACQUIRED IN THOSE YEARS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF STANDARD SQUAD CARS REPLA
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REPLACEMENTS. SO AGAIN, I HAVE ANOTHER KIND OF DENSE TABLE THAT I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO WALK YOU THROUGH. SO TS TABLE SHOWS BY YEAR AND FUND THE VEHICLES THAT WERE ADDED BEYOND

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THE STANDARD REPLACEMENT COSTS. SO ON THE LEFT COLUMN, YOU'LL SEE THE YEAR. AT THE VERY TOP, WE HAVE 2024. AND THEN THE FUND NUMBER IS BELOW. FUND 00100 IS THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT PURCHASES, THE

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DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND THEN A DESCRIPTION WERE FOR EACH OF THOSE YEARS. BELOW THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE THAT 1210 FUND, THE ASSET FORFEITURE FUND. THE 1300 FUND IS A GRANT FUND. AND

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THEN YOU SEE THE SAME FUNDS REPEATED FOR 2025. THERE WERE NO EXPENSES IN 2023 THAT MATCHED THAT SEARCH. SO THE TOTAL THERE WAS $1.7 MILLION. NEXT, THE

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COUNCIL ASKED ABOUT MONEY SNT ON TRAVEL AND LODGING. THE ANSWER IS $310,000 WERE SPENT ON TRAVEL IN 2025. AND QUESTION FIVE, THE COUNCIL ASKED ABOUT

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CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME. THIS IS A POLICY THAT WAS INTRODUCED IN THE FALL OF 2022. IT WAS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS STAFFING NEEDS FOR EVENTS AND SHIFTS WHEN REGULAR OVERTIME WAS NOT SUFFICIENT TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. SO THIS WAS A DOUBLE THE REGULAR RATE OF PAY OVER

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TIME. MPD CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT APPROVAL GOES THROUGH THE MPD CHAIN OF COMMAND. CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME IS NO LONGER IN USE BY THE DEPARTMENT. THERE WAS A LETTER OF AGREEMENT THAT WAS ANNUAL, WHICH EXPIRED AT THE

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END OF LAST YEAR. AND THAT IS THE LIMS LINK THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS MEMO. RELATED TO CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME IN QUESTION 6, THE COUNCIL ASKED ABOUT THE FRINGE BENEFIT CT

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RELATED. THE ANSWER IS THAT MPD SPENT ABOUT $3.7 MILLION ON VARIABLE FRINGE. SO THAT'S THE FRINGE THAT'S ASSOCIATED SPECIFICALLY WITH THOSE CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME HOURS. MOVING

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TO QUESTION 7, THIS IS ONE ABOUT RESPONSE PROTOCOLS. I'M GOING TO READ THIS ALOUD. IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT FAILED TO RESPOND TO A CALL FOR EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE DURING CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME, THE

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DEPARTMENT WOULD PULL DATA FOR CALLS IN WHICH THERE IS NO ARRIVAL TIME LISTED FOR A SQUAD. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONFOUNDING FACTORS IN THE DATA IN THESE CASES. FOR EXAMPLE, IN A MEDICAL CALL, IF A MEDIC WERE TO ARRIVE PRIOR TO POLICE, AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THE LAW

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ENFORCEMENT WAS NOT NECESSARY, THEY MAY CANCEL THE POLICE REQUEST. THE DATA FOR THAT CALL WOULD INDICATE A FAILURE TO RESPOND IF NOT TAKEN IN CONTEXT. SIMILARLY, A 911 CALLER MAY DECIDE TO CANCEL THEIR REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE OR THEY MAY MOVE

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THEIR EFFORTS TO AN ONLINE POLICE REPORT. CALLS CAN BE APPENDED TO A CONCURRENT DUPLICATE CALL WHICH WOULD -- ON THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL NOTE THE

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AVERAGE AND MEDIAN CALL TIMES FOR 2025. AND MEDIAN AND AVERAGE PRIORITY ONE RESPONSE TIMES IN THE TABLE BELOW. QUESTION 8 IS

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ABOUT CONTRACTUAL SPENDING BY THE DEPARTMENT. SO THE COUNCIL REQUESTED THE NAME OF VENDORS, THE SERVICES AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS OF THOSE CONTRACTS. SO AGAIN, I WON'T READ THESE ALL LINE BY LINE. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE PAGE OF THESE. BUT JUST TO NOTE A FEW

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THINGS. THIS IS AN EXTRACT FROM THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. SO WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR NAME, THE DESCRIPTION, WHICH IS A SHORT DESCRIPTION, THE TOTAL MAXIMUM CONTRACT AMOUNT, AND RECALL THAT CONTRACTS CAN EXTEND OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. AND THEN WE HAVE

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THE AMOUNT SPENT IN 2025 LISTED. IN BLUE, YOU'LL NOTE CONTRACTS THAT MPD IS SPENDING ON BUT THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY HELD BY MPD. SO ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE NCR HOLDS THE TRANSLATION SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE WHOLE

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CITY. WHEN MPD USES TRANSLATION SERVICES, THOUGH, THEY ARE CHARGED FOR THAT. YOU'LL ALSO SEE IN SOME OF THE CONTRACT DESCRIPTIONS MDHR POP UP. THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT'S SOMETHING RELATED TO SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION. SO THERE ARE

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SEVERAL PAGES OF THIS, AND THE TOTAL SPENT IN 2025 WAS $11.3 MILLION. AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT FINANCIAL POLICIES. SO THE COUNCIL REQUESTED SOME

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INFORMATION ON HOW THE DEPARTMENT COMPLIES WITH FINANCIAL POLICIES. WE NOTED THAT FINANCIAL POLICIES ARE ADOPTED FOR THE CITY OVERALL. THE DEPARTMENT MEETS REGULARLY WITH FINANCE TO REVIEW THEIR FINANCIAL DATA. SO THERE'S A

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MONTHLY TOUCHPOINT. ENSURING THAT THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES ARE MAINTAINED IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN FINANCE IN ALL DEPARTMENTS. IN ADDITION TO THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES, THE CITY IS BOUND BY ACCOUNTING RULES, AND WE ARE SUBJECT TO ANNUAL STATE AUDITS TO ENSURE

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THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THEM. THE NEXT QUESTION ASKS ABOUT ACCOUNT CODES. SO ACCOUNT CODES ARE SPECIFIC TYPES OF EXPENSES IN THE FINANCIAL DATA. SO SALARIES WOULD BE ONE. HEALTH INSURANCE, ET CETERA. THE CONTROLLERS

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DIVISION IN THOSE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS. MAKE SURE THINGS ARE CODED APPROPRIATELY. FUNDS HAVE DIFFERENT USES. SO WE ALL KNOW THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS UNRESTRICTED. ITS PURPOSE IS NOT

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LIMITED TO A SPECIFIC TYPE OF SPENDING. BUT OTHER FUNDS HAVE RULES. SO GRANT FUNDS ARE ADOPTED FOR SPECIFIC REASONS THAT ARE DEFINED IN THE GRANT AGREEMENTS. THE 1210 FUNDS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ALREADY TODAY ACCOUNTS FOR EXPENSES AND REVENUES RELATED TO FEDERAL AND

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STATE ADMINISTRATIVE FORFEITURE, GAMBLING, AND SOME SERVICE CONTRACTS. THOSE DOLLARS ARE LIMITED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES, AND THEY CAN'T SUPPLANT AGENCY RESOURCES. SO MPD HAS ITS OWN FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING TEAM, WHICH ARE FIRST

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LINE OF REVIEW BEFORE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT REVIEWS. I'LL NOTE MPD IS WITHOUT A FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THE MOMENT. SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS LIKE THE 1210 FUND ARE ALSO DISCUSSED IN QUARTERLY REPORT. SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED

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MORE, YOU CAN LOOK AT REPORTS FROM THE CONTROLLER. AND THE FINAL QUESTION IS ABOUT EXPENSE APPROVAL AND WHO HAS AUTHORITY TO SIGN OFF ON NEW EXPENSES. SO MPD IS LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THAT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO

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PURCHASING PROCEDURES, PUBLIC PURPOSE RULES. THOSE ARE ALL AVAILABLE TO CITY STAFF WITHIN OUR INTRANET. AND WHEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS, WE ALWAYS HOPE DEPARTMENTS WILL REACH OUT TO FINANCE FOR CLARIFICATION. WITHIN MPD, STAFF WOULD NORMALLY

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WORK WITH THE MPD FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR APPROVAL TO SPEND. AND THAT FINANCE DIRECTOR WOULD REVIEW FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE AND TO COORDINATE WITH SWORN LEADERSHIP TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPERATIONAL IMPACT MAY BE. PURCHASING CARDS OR P CARDS OF

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LIMITED TO A SMALL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. THOSE PURCHASES ARE REVIEWED ROUTINELY BY THE MPD ACCOUNTING STAF AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THIS. I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY FINANCE QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, ARE

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THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR DISCENZA, AND ALL THE STAFF WHO HELPED COME UP WITH THESE ANSWERS. I'VE BEEN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS FOR A VERY LONG TIME BEHIND THE SCENES TRYING TO

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GET ANSWERS TO THEM. THE BUDGET CHAIR AND I HAVE HAD MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS. I THOUGHT IT WAS EASIER TO GET ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. AND BECAUSE I COULD NOT GET THE ANSWERS -- GET QUESTIONS

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ANSWERED AT ALL, WE HAD TO GO THIS ROUTE WITH THIS LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE. SO IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO PUT YOU OR ANYONE ON SPOT. IT'S SIMPLY TO GET THE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS I'M BEING ASKED ABOUT MPD'S BUDGET. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SO

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GRACIOUSLY SPENDING THE TIME TO DO THIS AND GET ANSWERS. IO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE CHIEF OR SOMEONE FROM MPD. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR DISCENZA. THE FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE

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MOTORCYCLES. SO I KNOW THERE'S LIKE FOUR MOTORCYCLES, WHATEVER. THERE'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT HERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE MOTORCYCLES. BUT THIS SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY TRAINING COSTS. SO DID JUST FOUR PEOPLE GET PICKED

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THAT CAN RIDE A MOTORCYCLE ALREADY? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, CURRENTLY, I DON'T HAVE A FINANCE DIRECTOR TODAY, SO THIS INFORMATION WOULD HAVE TO RELY ON OCS AS WELL AS THE CITY'S

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FINANCE DIRECTOR TO PROVIDE IT. I DON'T HAVE IT AVAILABLE. I KNOW THERE WAS TRAINING. THERE'S A SPECIFIC POLICE TRAINING COURSE. I BELIEVE IT'S HELD IN WISCONSIN THAT THE OFFICERS ATTENDED. BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE THE DATA ON THAT AVAILABLE. >> MEANING LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW

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HOW MANY PEOPLE WENT TO THE TRAINING AND WHAT IT COST? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, THERE WERE I BELIEVE SIX PEOPLE WENT TO THE TRAINING LAST YEAR. I DON'T HAVE THE COSTS AVAILABLE. >> BUT THERE'S A RECORD OF IT SOMEWHERE.

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>> YES. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT HERE. AND I'M REALLY HOPING THAT THIS DOESN'T TURN INTO AN I DON'T HAVE A FINANCE DIRECTOR SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER SITUATION. BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND I'M HOPING WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS

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TO THESE QUESTIONS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. MY EXPECTATION IS CERTAINLY NOT, CHIEF, THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ANSWERED TODAY. BUT THAT THE QUESTIONS GET AN ANSWER EVEN WITHOUT A FINANCE DIRECTOR. BECAUSE I LITERALLY ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY

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CHAIR WHEN I SAT WITH THE BUDGET DIRECTOR AND FOUND OUT THAT SHE COULDN'T JUST OPEN UP A COMPUTER AND SHOW ME A LOG OF EVERYTHING. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND JUST LOOK AT THESE LINE ITEMS, AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. SO I'M REALLY HOPING RATHER IT'S

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PUBLICLY OR THE MEETING YOU AND I HAVE SCHEDULED COMING UP, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S TRANSFERRED TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT THAT WE CAN'T GET ANSWERS. AND THAT PART WAS REALLY A PART OF THIS QUESTION

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WAS HOW MUCH DID THE TRAINING COST. AND THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND I WOULD HAVE LIKED FOR IT TO BE HERE. AND THE SECOND PIECE TO THAT IS THE ♪MAINTENANCE. I'M A SCOOTER RIDER. I HAVE BEEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME. EVERY YEAR I HAVE TO PAY $300. THEY'RE COMING TO MY HOUSE THURSDAY TO PICK MY

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SCOOTER UP FOR INTENANCE. A TUNE-UP TO GET IT READY FOR THE SUMMER. AND LIKE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR THE QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED ABOUT ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR HARLEY DAVIDSON MOTORCYCLES. RIGHT? AND SO I WOULD LIKE A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT.

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WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE COST? WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THIS? BECAUSE YOU USED THE FORFEITURE FUND FOR THIS PURCHASE. BUT LIKE WHAT IS THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT? HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS PAID FOR IN THE FUTURE? NOW.

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I'VE NEVER HAD A MOTORCYCLE. MY SISTER DOES. BUT I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO MAINTAIN THAT EVERY YEAR AND WHE IS THIS MONEY GOING TO COME FROM AND WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE IN THE LINE ITEM EVERY

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YEAR FOR ME TO SEE AND GO TO WARD 4 AND SAY THIS IS FOR THE MOTORCYCLES. THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE MOTORCYCLE UNIT FOR? LIKE I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IT'S FOR, AND WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT. >> SURE. CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER,

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THE MOTORCYCLE UNIT IS A SECONDARY ASSIGNMENT. SO IT'S NOT OFFICERS PRIMARY ASSIGNMENT. IT IS SECONDARY. IT IS VERY COMMON IN MOST MAJOR CITY POLICE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. WE ARE LOOKING TO USE THEM NOT

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SPECIFICALLY FOR ENFORCEMENT. MORE FOR, YOU KNOW, BOTH IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE AROUND A LOT OF THESE LARGE CONGESTED EVENTS. THEY'RE A LOT MORE MOBILE AND CAN RESPOND FASTER IN THE EVENT OF A CRITICAL INCIDENT. ALSO,

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LOOKING TO USE THEM MORE AROUND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PRESENCE AROUND COMMUNITY EVENTS. THEY WERE AROUND LAST YEAR. ONE OICER ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO THE ANNUNCIATION CHURCH. AND THEN THEY WERE PRESENT IN THE AFTERMATH AT SOME

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OF THE COMMUNITY EVENTS AROUND THAT. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PRIMARY REASONS FOR IT. THE OFFICERS TEND TO BE MORE VISIBLE AND TEND TO BE NOTICED, AND ARE ABLE TO -- THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR IN THAT IT HELPS OFFICERS

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ENGAGE IN A POSITIVE WAY WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE MAIN REASONS WHY. BUT CURRENY, IT IS AS SEVERAL OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE DEPARTMENT ARE, IT'S A SECONDARY ASSIGNMENT FOR OFFICERS.

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>> OKAY. MEANING LIKE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC UNIT THAT LIKE -- I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I KNOW MOTORCYCLE UNITS TO DO. >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE FULL-TIME MEMBERS OF THE TRAFFIC UNIT ARE INVESTIGATORS. SO THEY'RE JUST THE PEOPLE THAT REOND OUT FOR THE, YOU KNOW,

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TRAFFIC INVESTIGATIONS. >> OKAY. GOT IT. WHAT ABOUT -- I MEAN, THANKS FOR THIS LEDGER. BUT IT'S STILL KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS. LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANSWERED TODAY. BUT I'M TRYING TO ALSO GET TO THE BOTTOM

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OF LIKE THE TAKE-HOME VEHICLES. I KNOW THE QUESTION MAYBE WASN'T AS CLEAR, CHIEF. BUT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS QUESTION. LIKE HOW MANY TAKE-HOME VEHICLES ARE OUT

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THERE? LIKE HOW MUCH DO WE PAY AS A CITY? CHIEF, IF SOMEONE HAS A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE DO WE GET GAS FOR IT OR DO THEY GET GAS FOR IT? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE MAJORITY OF VEHICLES, FOR

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EXAMPLE, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE APPOINTED STAFF ARE CONTRACTUAL. AS DEFINED BY CONTRACT. THEN THE REMAINING VEHICLES THAT ARE THERE ARE DISCRETIONARY UNDER POLICY. AND THAT'S FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MAY NEED TO RESPOND FROM

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HOME TO AN EMERGENCY. SO THERE'S CERTAIN SUPERVISORS AROUND THE SWAT UNIT AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS DIVISION. ALL OF THE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATORS. NOW THAT WE HAVE A FAST TEAM, THE OFFICERS THAT ARE ON CALL, IF YOU WILL, FOR

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SHOOTINGS AND THOSE. AND YES, I BELIEV THE GAS AND THE MAINTENANCE, THAT'S ALL PROVIDED BY THE CITY. >> OKAY. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT HAVE A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE? >> WE DO -- CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE DO KNOW THAT. I JUST DON'T HAVE IT OFFHAND.

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>> ALL RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW. AND THEN THIS EM 01, THIS MIGHT BE FOR DIRECTOR DISCENZA. BUT THERE'S AN ITEM 0120, IT SAYS ADD BILL FOR UNIT 7428, ARMORED SWAT VAN

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13968. BUT THEN IT SAYS ADD ANOTHER UNITE AND IT SAYS 23. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

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>> THROUGHHE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, I THINK YOU'LL SEE FOR A FEW OF THOSE VEHICLES THAT THERE'S A FEW LINES AND THERE MIGHT JUST BE MULTIPLE INVOICES THAT HIT. SO THESE ARE JUST THE EXPENSE TRANSACTIONS. >> I SEE. SO THE ONE UNDERNEATH

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THAT, IS THAT SAYING THAT $202,000 WAS USEDO PURCHASE A NEW VAN? BUT THESE OTHER TWO ARE JUST BILLS THAT G ALONG WITH THE SWAT VAN? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES,

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COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. YOU'LL ALSO SEE -- YEAH. >> SAME VEHICLE NUMBER. >> IT'S THE SAME VEHICLE NUMBER. SO WE TRIED TO SHOW CONSISTENTLY THE VEHICLES NUMBERS SO YOU CAN

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TRACE BACK. THERE'S BOMB UNITS. THE UPFITING IS SEPARATE FROM THE TRUCK PURCHASE. >> I GOT IT. CHIEF, IS THERE LIKE A LEDGER OR SOMETHING WITH ALL OF THE VEHICLES AND LIKE THE

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TRAILERS AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE? BECAUSE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT SENT ME SOMETHING A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT SHOWED LIKE TWO TRAILERS AT $1.3 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S REFLECTED AT ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE PURCHASED. BUT IT WAS

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CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THIS EXPENSE OF OVER $1 MILLION FOR TWO TRAILERS. >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO COMMANDER RISEDALE WHO OVERSEES THE FLEET STUFF. >> WELCOME, COMMANDER.

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>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE WAY FLEET SERVES MANAGES OUR FLEET, GETS THEIR OWN NUMBER. YOU'LL SEE 74424, THAT'S ITS OWN ESSENTIAL SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OF THAT

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VEHICLE. AND FLEET SERVICES HAS A COMPLETE LIST FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST MPD. WE WLD BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO FLEET SERVICES AND PULL THAT, AND WE ALSO MAINTAIN A RECORD MANAGEMENT FOR THE CHIEF AS WELL. >> SO THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN WORK WITH YOU ON IN SEEING WHAT EXISTS FOR THE VEHICLES. >> YES, MA'AM.

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>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW, COUNCIL MEMBER. CHAIR, I'M SORRY. >> THANK YOU. I HAD SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AS WELL. I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE IN QUEUE. BUT

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I'M HAPPY TO PAUSE IF OTHERS GET IN. I'LL START WITH LOOKING AT THE FIRST TABLE THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE MEMO. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE'LL START AT THE

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BOTTOM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO START WITH A QUESTION ABOUT STAFFING AND GET COMPLETELY DERAILED AND NEVER COME BACK. NEVER MOVE ON. STARTING AT THE BOTTOM. IT OUTLINES ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET THAT WAS EITHER UNDER BUDGET OR OVER

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BUDGET. AS AN EXAMPLE, STARTING FROM THE BOTTOM, UNDER CAPITAL EQUIPMENT, THIS BUDGET WAS OVER SPENT BY $1.3 MILLION. CAN SOMEONE SPEAK TO WHY THAT WAS THE CASE? WHAT'S THE

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$1.3 MILLION OVERAGE FOR, SPECIFICALLY? >> I'M  GOING TO GO BACK, IF THAT'S OKAY. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, GIVE ME 30 SECONDS. >> I'LL PREVIEW FOR YOU, WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK UP THE

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LIST. AFTER THAT IS GOING TO BE OTHER AND THE TRAVEL, TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING. TAKE YOUR TIME.

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>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I HAVE IN MY NOTES THAT THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT $1.3 MILLION SPENT WAS THE PURCHASE OF TWO COMMAND TRAILERS. THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS OF THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO. >> ALL GOOD. SO WE'LL PAU

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THERE AND INVITE UP SOMEONE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SPEAK TO WHAT A COMMAND TRAILER IS AND WHAT ITS PURPOSE WAS IN THIS CASE. JUST FOR CONTEXT, THERE WERE $16,000 FOR CAPITAL

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EQUIPMENT IN YOUR BUDGET AND YOU SPENT $1.3 MILLION. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. >> EXCUSE ME. A LITTLE NEW TO THIS. >> ALL GOOD. >> CHAIR, GOING BACK TO THAT VEHICLE WHERE WE'RE TALKING

525
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ABOUT THAT EXTRA $300,000. WHEN WE BUY A VEHICLE, THERE'S USUALLY A REPLACEMENT PLAN WITH THE CITY. WE SET MONEY ASIDE TO ESSENTIALLY REPLACE THIS VEHICL REPLACE THAT VEHICLE SPECIFICALLY, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY SET ASIDE FOR WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD TO BUY A SMALLER

526
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VERSION OF IT TO TRY AND GET US INTO THAT BUDGET. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE FLEET SERVICES SIDE WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE FUNDS. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT OVER BUDGET CAME FROM. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU

527
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PURCHASED FOUR OF THEM? THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO $1.3 MILLION? >> THE ONE COMMAND TRAILER WAS $750,000 THAT'S LISTED

528
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UNDERNEATH THE VEHICLE ONE. THAT'S THE ONE I WAS REFERRING TO. THE SECOND ONE, I'LL HAVE TO PULL THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF TOP. >> ALL GOOD. IT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL IN A FOLLOW-UP MEMO

529
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WHERE THAT REMAINDER COMES FROM. LET'S FORHE SAKE OF CONVENIENCE SKIP OVER THE $6 THAT WERE OVER IN THE OTHER CATEGORY. NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO TRAVEL. YOU HAD $120,000 BUDGETED. YOU ENDED UP SPENDING

530
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$310,000. SO YOU WERE APPROXIMATELY $190,000 OVER BUDGET. WHY WERE YOU $190,000 OVER BUDGET FOR TRAVEL? I SEE THE CHIEF COMING UP.

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>> CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE THE SPEC TRAINING. >> TRAVEL. >> WELL TRAVEL RELATED TO TRAINING THAT' OUT OF STATE. SO FOR LIKE THE BOMB TECHNICIANS THAT NEED TRAINING, THAT'S OUT OF STATE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS RELATED TO THE DRONE, THE

532
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NEGOTIATORS, SOME HOSTAGE RESCUE AINING THAT HAPPENED DURING 2025. THREAT ASSESSMENTS. SOME THINGS FOR TRAFFIC AROUND DRE, DRUG RECOGNITION EXPERT, AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP

533
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TRAINING CLASSES THAT ARE HELD HAPPENS WITH TRAINING AND THE TRAVEL THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, IT IS VETTED THROUGH THE TRAINING DIVISION. AND THEN

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ULTIMATELY, THE DEPUTY CHIEF OVER TRAINING SPECIFICALLY MAKES THE APPROVAL. WORKING WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING SOUR. >> I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BRING UP WHAT HAPPENS TYPICALLY. BECAUSE TYPICALL WHAT HAPPENS IN EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY

535
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FOR TRAVEL IS THEY USUALLY BRING FORWARD A GIFT ACCEPTANCE AND THEY GET THE VENDOR THAT'S DOING THE TRAINING TO PAY FOR SAID TRAINING. I KNOW THERE'S ACTUAL SEVERAL GIFT ACCEPTANCE THAT COMES FORWARD ALMOST ALWAYS LATE

536
02:30:20.050 --> 02:30:34.033
FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR TRAVEL AND LODGING EXPENSES RELATED TO ATTENDING COERENCES, TRAINING, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. ITUST CONCERNS ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD TO $20 MILLION, $21 MILLION IS

537
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PAVED BY OVERAGES BIT BY BI AND SO THAT YOU WENT $190,000 OVER BUDGET INSTEAD OF FINDING GIFT ACCEPTANCES OR FINDING OTHER WAYS TO MAKE UP THOSE COST SAVINGS AND JUST A LITTLE CONCERNING. FOR THE SAKE OF CONVENIENCE, AGAIN, WE'LL SKIP

538
02:30:52.283 --> 02:31:08.933
OVER TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING, AND TRAINING AND EDUCATION -- NO, TAXES, LICENSES AND FEES, WHICH ARE BOTH UNDER $1,000. BUT LET'S GO TO SUPPLIES WHERE YOU WENT ABOUT $23,000 ABOVE BUDGET. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT SUPPLIES

539
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IS, WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THAT OVERAGE IS? >> CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW. >> WONDERFUL. WE'LL TAKE THAT FOR FOLLOW UP MEMO. IN THE BUCKET OF OPERATING COSTS, THE NEXT ITEM THAT WENT OVER BUDGET

540
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WAS SUBSCRIPTIONS. ABOUT $3,000. BUT THERE WAS NO BUDGET FOR SUBSCRIPTIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO -- I WOULD IMAGINE THIS IS JUST ONE SUBSCRIPTION THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. >> CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE THE

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INFORMATION ON THE MAJORITY OF THESE. >> WE'LL TAKE THAT AS A FOLLOW-UP MEMO AS WELL. REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, WOULD YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT? >> CHAIR, WE'D HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.

542
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>> ALL GOOD. PUBLIC SAFETY LEGAL EXPENDITURES, $54,000. >> CHAIR, YOU COULD ASK ME LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE LINE IN THE BUDGET, I DON'T KNOW IT OFF HAND. >> OKAY. I GUESS THAT WAS T PURPOSE OF THIS LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE IS WE WERE SEEKING A

543
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DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF ALL OF THE BUDGET OVERAGES IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT WERE SPENT IN 2025 FOR EACH AREA WHERE MONEY WAS OVERSPENT DETAILED WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS AN EXTERNAL SERVICE TO RESIDENTS OR MONEY SPENT INTERNALLY IN THE

544
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DERTMENT. SO THAT'S ALL. I'M SURPRISED -- YEAH. >> CHAIR, I WAS NOT ARE OF ANY REQUEST AROUND THIS UNTIL WE RECEIVED THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE. AND I'VE HEARD SINCE THEN THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION, BUT IT DID NOT COME TO ME. I DON'T

545
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KNOW IF IT WENT TO SOMEONE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT IT DID NOT COME TO ME. >> THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE WAS APPROVED A COUPLE CYCLES AGO. THAT'S WHEN IT -- >> OKAY. >> I THINK IT'S BEEN TWO CYCLES

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NOW. OKAY. I'LL JUST GO THROUGH OTHER CATEGORIES JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF THEM. FOOD AND BEVERAGE $2,000 ABOVE BUDGET.

547
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>> CHAIR, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T REMEMBER IN 2025. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IN JANUARY, THERE WERE TIMES WHERE WE HAD TO BUY FOOD AND BEVERAGE BECAUSE WE HAD PEOPLE WORKING IN THE COMMAND POST DURING A SEARCH. THAT KIND OF THING. I

548
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DON'T RECALL IN 2025 WHAT EVENTS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN. >> OKAY. >> BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT THAT LINE IS FOR. >> YEAH. SO WE'LL NOTE FOR A FOLLOW-UP MEMO IF YOU CAN DETAIL WHAT THIS $2,000 OVERAGE IS FOR.

549
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TO BE CLEAR, THE BASE BUDGET WAS $40,000 FOR FOOD AND BEVERAGE. AND YOU WENT $2,000 ABOVE BUDGET. FOR AWARDS, CONTRIBUTIONS AND GRANTS, THERE WAS NO BUDGET FOR IT. ABOUT

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$7,000 WERE SPENT. SHOULD WE INCLUDE THAT AS A FOLLOW UP MEMO AS WELL? >> YES, PLEASE. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THE NEXT TWO I ACTUALLY THINK MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE DEPUTY CFO. THESE ARE INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES FOR IT AND FLEET THAT BOTH WERE ABOVE

551
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BUDGET. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MODEL FOR COST ALLOCATION FOR INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES IS A PART OF THE CALCULATION DURING THE CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL. CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO WHY THE ACTUAL FOR INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGE MIGHT BE HIGHER THAN WHAT'S BUDGETED?

552
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>> SURE. CHAIR CHUGHTAI, SO I THINK COMMANDER RISEOVER GOT IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER WITH THE FLEET FUND. YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET FOR THAT HAS BEEN SLOWLY TICKING DOWN. SO THERE IS LESS BALANCE AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THE FLEET REPLACEMENT COSTS. SO THEY MAY

553
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BE CHARGING -- THEY ARE CHARGING THE DEPARTMENT FOR SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WOULD NORMALLY HAVE JUST BEEN COVERED. I THINK WE CAN GET MORE SPECIFICS ON THE IT CHARGES. BUT AS DEPARTMENTS

554
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HAVE MORE SUBSCRIPTIONS AS SERVICES, THOSE CHARGES ARE MORE VARIABLE THAN IN PRIOR YEARS WHERE WE JUST BOUGHT SOFTWARE AND IT WAS A STATIC COST. >> THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. IN THE FOLLOW UP MEMO, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO DETAIL OUT

555
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SUBSCRIPTIONS LINE ITEM THAT ALSO WENT OVER BUDGET. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUBSCRIPTIONS OUTLINED IN THIS TABLE AND SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT MAY BE INCLUDED AS A PART OF INTERNAL SERVICES IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> IS MY QUESTION MAKING SENSE? >> IT DOES. AND I THINK, CHAIR

556
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CHUG CHUGHTAI, WHAT I WOULD BE EXPECTING ARE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS. I KNOW FINANCE HAS OUR GFOA MEMBERSHIP IN THAT LINE. >> THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. CHIEF, IF WE CAN GET YOU BACK.

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SO THE NEXT SEVERAL ARE IN THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES BURJDG. THE UTILITIES SECTION OF YOUR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES BUDGET WENT $72,000 ABOVE ITS $330,000

558
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BUDGET. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT NOTED FOR A FOLLOW UP MEMO? >> CHAIR, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S LITERALLY UTILITIES. LIKE ELECTRIC BILLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

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>> OKAY. THEN IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW IF THE DEPARTMENT ALWAYS GOES OVER BUDGETTHERE. I SEE THE DEPUTY CFO NODDING. SO THAT ONE I WILL CONSIDER ANSWERED.

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TRANSPORTATION DIDN'T HAVE A BUDGET BUT ENDED UP SPENDING OVER $11,000 ON TRANSPORTATION. HONESTLY, I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION LISTED HERE AND THEN THE TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING LINE ITEM THAT'S BELOW.

561
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BUT IF YOU WOULD, LET'S NOTE THAT FOR A FOLLOW UP MEMO. BECAUSE YOU WANTED A FOLLOW UP MEMO ON THIS AREA.NEXT, WE CAN CONTINUE TO TRAINING. WHICH WENT

562
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$602,000 ABOVE BUDGET. IT WAS BUDGETED $330,000. SO YOU SPENT ABOUT TWICE AS MUCH AS WHAT WAS BUDGETED. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT WAS FOR? >> CHAIR, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE SPECIFICS. BUTHERE WAS

563
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A LOT OF TRAINING LAST YEAR. THE TRAINING DIVISION, ITSELF, CONDUCTED ABOUT 20,000 HOURS OF TRAINING IN-HOUSE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, MANY MEMBERS WERE SENT OUTSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR ADDITIONAL TRAINING. THERE'S A

564
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NUMBER OF THE TRAINING THAT IS CONDUCTED THAT IS REQUIRED FOR MEMBERS TO MAINTAIN VARIOUS CERTIFICATIONS AND LICENSES. AND THEN AN ADDITION, A LOT OF EMPHASIS HAS BEEN PLACED ON LEADERSHIP TRAINING AND TRYING TO DEVELOP MEMBERS OF THE

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DEPARTMENT. >> I THINK, OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL. I THINK IN THE FOLLOW UP MEMO HERE, WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS UNDERSTANDING THE DISTINCTION OF WHAT'S BEING COUNTED IN THE TRAINING SECTION HERE, VERSUS THE TRAINING AND

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EDUCATION LINE ITEM IN OPERATING COSTS, VERSUS THE TRAVEL LINE ITEM UNDER OPERATING COSTS. YOU'VE BROUGHT UP TRAINING AS A RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION ABOUT TRAVEL BEING SO SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE BUDGET. SO IT WOULD JUST

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BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT IS TRAINING AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS AND HOW IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE GOING OVER BUDGET. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO SPACE AND EQUIPMENT RENT, WHICH WAS $130,000 ABOVE BUDGET. CAN YOU

568
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SPEAK TO THAT OR WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO COME IN A FOLLOW UP MEMO? >> CHAIR, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IS THE GRAIN EXCHANGE. >> SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? >> ACROSS THE STREET WHERE WE HAVE SOME SPACE RENTED OUT. BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN.

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>> GREAT. SO WE'LL NOTE THAT, CLERKS, FOR A FOLLOW UP MEMO. REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE WAS $113,000 ABOVE BUDGET. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? >> NO. >> LET'S GET THAT, CLERKS, NOTED

570
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FOR A FELLOW UP MEMO. RADIO AND TELEPHONE SERVICES WAS $376,000 ABOVE BUDGET. NEARLY TWICE ITS ALLOCATED BUDGET FOR 2025. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT -- ARE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT OR FOLLOW UP MEMO? >> CHAIR, I'M NOT ABLE TO

571
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ADDRESS THAT. I KNOW IF THAT WAS E CELL PHONES, I BELIEVE THE LINE FOR THAT WAS REDUCED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALSO THE CELL PHONES ON THAT PARTICULAR LINE. >> SO IF WE COULD GET THAT NOTED FOR A FOLLOW UP. PROFESSIONAL

572
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SERVICES HAD A $3.3 MILLION BUDGET, AND IT WAS $1.75 MILLION ABOVE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS IN MY REMARKS, WE DID NOT -- AS YOU'RE

573
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AWARE, WE HAVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. GENERAL FUND OBLIGATED SERVE. THOSE FIGURES ARE LEFT FOR MAXIMUM TRANSPARENCY. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT REQUIRED SETTLEMENT SPENDING.

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>> SO LIKE ELEFA CONTRACT? NO, THAT LIVES IN FINANCE. >> I BELIEVE THE ELEFA CONTRACT HITS ELSEWHERE. BUT SOME OF THOSE REQUIRED TRAININGS AND THE CONTRACT T GET THROUGH THE BACKLOG FOR EXAMPLE, IS HITTING THE MPD BUDGET.

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>> OKAY. THAT'HELPFUL. WELL THAT WOULD BE CONCERNING BECAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO FIT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT'S EXISTING BUDGET. SO IF WE COULD GET THAT ADDRESSED WITHIN A FOLLOW UP MEMO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS WELL, CHIEF. PRINTING, $57,000

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ABOVE BUDGET. CAN WE SPEAK TO THAT? >> NO >> FOLLOW UP MEMO, PLEASE. PARKING, $290,000 ABOVE BUDGET. FOLLOW UP MEMO? >> CHAIR, I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER THE REMAINDER OF THESE THINGS ON HERE. I JUST DON'T

577
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KNOW ALL OF THOSE OFFHAND. >> OKAY. SO FOR PARKING, MISCELLANEOUS, MEDICAL SERVICES, INTERGOVERNMENTAL EXPENSES, ADVERTISING AND PUBLICATION, UNEMPLOYMENT, PENSION, LIFE AND

578
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DISABILITY INSURANCE, HEALTH -- NO, HEALTH AND DENTAL WAS WITHIN BUDGET. WOW. OVERTIME. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO GET FOLLOW-UP MEMOS THAT DETAIL WHAT EXACTLY THE OVERAGE CAME FROM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COLLEAGUES? COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. CHIEF, JUST

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ONE LAST THING. YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY I WAS THE CHAIR OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND THE BOMB SQUAD HAD THESE TRAININGS ALL THE TIME. BUT WE RECEIVED GRANTS FOR THEM. HAS THAT CHANGED? I ALWAYS THOUGHT

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WE GOT -- WE REALLYEVER PAID FOR ANY OF THAT. AND THEY WOULD COME -- BECAUSE THEY WOULD COME THROUGH THEOMMITTEE ALL THE TIME FROM THE FEDS AND FROM STATE GRANTS FOR THAT TRAINING. HAVE WE LOST THOSE GRANTS NOW AND WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU MAYBE NEEDED

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TO CHECK ON THAT. BUT JUST WONDERING LIKE IF WE STARTED TO LOSE FUNDING ON THOSE GRANTS FOR GETTING TRAINING? BECAUSE THERE CERTAINLY WAS A LOT OF FUNDS FROM THE FEDS AND FROM THE STATE THAT CAME THROUGH COMMITTEE. SO

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I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE SEEING A TREN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE. IF WE'RE STARTING TO LOSE MONEY AND SUPPORT AND IT'SOT BUDGETED FOR THAT.

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>> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, I DO KNOW SOME OF THE TRAINING DURING THIS TIM PERIOD IS COVERED BY THE FBI. BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER EXPENSES RELATED TO BOMB TRAINING THAT WE INCUR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME OR IF THAT WAS ALWAYS THE CASE.

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>> OKAY. MY OFFICE WILL SEND SOME QUESTIONS, CHIEF, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME THINGS IN ADVANCE IN PREPARATION FOR OUR ONE-HOUR MEETING. BUT THIS IS KINDF CONCERNING. I KNOW THE

585
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FIREFIGHTERS LOST SOME MONEY FOR MORE FIREFIGHTERS, AND ALL THESE THINGS. SO I THINK I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THESE TRAININGS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING GRANTS AND WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR IT, HOW DO WE ALLOCATE MONEY FOR

586
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THAT, AND LIKE, FOR IF WE ARE JUST GETTING THE GRANTS STILL FOR THESE TRAININGS. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, I THINK WE CAN STILL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT. I DID JUST WANT TO NOTE, LAST SUMMER THE COUNCIL DID VOTE

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ON $30,000 INCREASE REVENUE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BOMB SQUAD, AND THAT WAS PART OF JPA WITH THE STATE FOR THOSE SERVICES. BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP IF THERE'S ANY OTHER -- >> BUT THAT'S FOR SERVICES. THAT

588
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WASN'T FOR THE TRAINING. I JUST RECALL THE TRAININGS BEING PAID FOR AND LIKE A GIFT ACCEPTANCE COMING THROUGH. AND WE DID NOT HAVE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. OR IF WE DID, IT WAS VERY MINIMAL. >> WE CAN FIND OUT.

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>> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> CLERKS, YOU'VE NOTED THE QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW ABOUT GRANTS THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THIS. THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE IN QUEUE, SO I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS REPORT.

590
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AND PERHAPS, WE'LL CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING AS MOST OF OUR QUESTIONS TODAY WERE NOT ANSWERED SO THAT THEY MAY BE ANSWERED AT OUR NEXT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING. AND CERTAINLY, AT THATIME WE CAN CONTINUE IT AGAIN IF WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT UNPREPARED TO

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RESPON WITH THAT, WE HAVE COMPLETED ALL BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE TODAY, AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED. [ GAVEL ]