##VIDEO ID:UjzYaUfxghM## . >> GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO  THIS LIVE BROADCAST OF OUR  MEETING. MY NAME IS PETER GINDER AND I'M CHAIR OF THE CHARTER  COMMISSION. I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER OUR  REGULAR MEETING,  WEDNESDAY,JANUARY 15, 2025. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, I  WANT TO OFFER A FRIENDLY  REMIND -- THESE BADCASTS  INCLUDE REAL-TIME CAPTIONING AS  A FURTHER METHOD TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR  PROCEEDINGS. THEREFORE, ALL  SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF  THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR  THE BROADCAST. I WILL NOW CALL  THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK  THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL SO WE MAY VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A  QUORUM.  >> COMMISSIONER BOONE.  >> PRESENT.  >> CLEGG.  >> HERE.  >> COOPER >> HERE.  >> DAVIS CARTER IS ABSENT.  DEMELLO.  >> HERE.  >> DOHERTY.  >> HERE.  >>GARCIA.  >> PRESENT.  >> HILL.  >> PRESENT.  >>OZAK IS ABSENT. NEY.  >> PRESENT.  >> PERRY.  >> HERE.  >> SANDBERG.  >> PRESENT.  >> SMITH.  >> HERE.  >> VICE CHAIR RUBENSTEIN IS  ABSENT. CHAIR GINDER.  >> PRESENT.  >> WE HAVE 12 PRESENT.  >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE  HAVE A QUORUM AND WE WILL NOW  PROCEED TO OUR AGENDA.  COMMISSIONERS, THE AGENDA OF  TODAY'S MEETING IS BEFORE US.  MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION TO  ADOPT THE AGENDA.  >> SO MOVED.  >> AND SECONDED.  >> WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION  BEFORE US. IS THERE ANY RTHER  DISCUSSION? SEEING NO  DISCUSSION, ALL THOSEN FAVOR  SAY AYE.  >> AYE.  >> OPPOSED SAY NAY. THAT MOTION  PASSES AND THE AGENDA IS  ADOPTED. ITEM 3 ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES.  SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM OUR REGULAR  MEETING ON DECEMBER 4TH.  >> SO MOVED.  >> SECOND.  >> SECOND, PJ.  >> WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION  BEFORE US, IS THERE ANY FURTHER  DISCUSSION? SEEING NO  DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR  SA AYE.  >> AYE.  >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THAT  MOTION PASSES AND THE MINUTES  ARE ACCEPTED. THE NEXT ITEM IS  THE CHAIR'S REPORT. I GUESS I  WOULD WELCOME COMMISSIONERS TO  THE START OF A NEW SEASON FOR  THE CHTER COMMISSION. AND SO I ALSO WOULD POINT OUT THAT WE  HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER JOINING  US. COMMISSIONER BEN COOPER IS  HERE FOR HIS FIRST MEETING. I  WOULD INVITE COMMISSIONER COOPER TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF  HISTORY AND WHYE'S INTERESTED  IN BEING ON THE CHARTER  COMMISSION.  >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M BEN COOPER. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO  JOIN THE COMMISSION.'M AN  ATTORNEY AT A LAW FIRM HERE IN  MINNEAPOLIS. I PRACTICE IN CIVIL LITIGATION REPRESENTING  CONSUMERS AND CLASS ACTION  LITIGATION. I LIVE INYNDALE  HILLS WITH MY WIFE AND DOG. I  ENJOY SPENDING TIME OUTDOORS  WHEN IT'S NOT SO COLD. EVEN THEN WE TRY TO GET OUT. I THINK ONE  OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY  IMPORTANT TO PROMOTE CIVIC  ENGAGEMENT IS HAVING GOVERNMENT  AND DOCUMENTS THAT CAN B  UNDERSTOOD BY ORDINARY PEOPLE  WHO DON'T HAVE LAW DEGREES. I  THINK THIS COMMISSION PLAYS AN  IMPORTANT ROLE IN FURTHERING  THAT OBJECTIVE. THANKS FOR  HAVING ME ON THE COMMISSION. I  LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU.  >> THANK YOU, AND WELCOME  COMMISSIONER. I THINK WE HAVE  COMMISSIONS ON HERE THAT HELP  LAY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING, MAYBE. THE NEXT ITEM I THE 2025  CHARTER COMMISSION OFFICERS. I  WILL HAND THE MEETING OVER TO  THE CLERK.  >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT GINDER.  I'LL NOW OUTLINE THE PROCEDURE.  FIRST, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR  NOMINATIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.  MADE, THE NOMINATING PERIOD WILL BE CLOSED AND COMMISSIONERS WILL VOTE FOR EACH NOMINEE FOR EACH  OFFICE IN THE ORDER IN WHICH  THEY WERE NOMINATED. THE NOMINEE WHO REIVES THE MAJORITY VOTE  FOR THE OFFICE WILL BE DECLARED  THE WINNER FOR THAT SEAT. ARE  THERE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE PROCEDURE I'VE  OUTLINED? COMMISSIONER NEY.  >> SORRY. I HAVE TO PUSH FOR THE BUTTON. THIS WILL BE MY SECOND  TIME VOTING FOR OFFICERS. I AM  JUST CURIOUS IF AND I'VE HAD  SOME EMAIL BACK AND FORTH. I  JUST WANT TO GET IT ON THE  RECORD. ARE THERE ANY  REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING IN OUR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS THAT LAYS  OUT TERM LIMITS OR -- THAT LAY  ANYTHING OUT GOVERNING THE  ELECTION OF OFFICERS?  >> COMMISSIONER NEY, THE RULES  OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION WHICH  ARE ATTACHED TO THE END OF EACH  OF THE ANNUAL REPORTS A COUPLE  OF WHICH IS IN FRONT OF YOU HAS  A SECTION ON OFFICERS AND POSIT  ANYTHING AS FAR AS LIMITS IN  TERMS OF HOW MANY TIMES YOU  MIGHT BE REELECTED. BUT IT HAS A SECTION ON OFFICERS AND ELECTION AND TERMS. BUT THAT'S ALL.  >> OKAY.  >> MR. CLERK, IS IT TIME NO  NOMINATE?  >> YE IF THERE ARE NO OTHER  COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, YEAH.  YOU'RE WELCOME TO NOMINATE,  COMMISSIONER.  >> THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE  GOING TO HAVE A BUSY YEAR THIS   TO HAVE A STEADY HAND AND  OWLEDGEABLE LEADERSHIP. SO I  WOULD LIKE TO ENTER COMMISSIONER GINDER'S NAME IN FOR CHAIR.  >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  PERRY. ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THEFFICE OF COMMISSION  PRESIDENT? SEEING NONE, I'LL  CLOSE THIS PERIOD. AREHERE ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THE  NOMINATION? SEEING NONE, I'LL  PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL FOR   TO COMMISSION PRESIDENT.  COMMISSIONER BOONE.  >> AGREED.  >> CLEGG.  >> AYE.  >> I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER  CLEGG.  >> AYE.  >> COOPER.  >> AYE.  >> DEMELLO.  >> AYE.  >> DOHERTY.  >> YES.  >> GARCIA.  >> AYE.  >> HILL.  >> I AGREE.  >> NEY.  >> AYE.  >> PERRY.  >> AYE. >> SANDBERG.  >> AYE. AND I THINK IT'S CHAIR  NOT PRESIDENT, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THAT.  >> I'M SORRY. I THINK I MIGHT  HAVE USED THE TERM  INTERCHANGEABLY THERE.  COMMISSIONER SMI.  >> AYE.  >> AND THEN VICE CHAIR  RUBENSTEIN.  >> AYE.  >> CHAIR GINDER.  >> AYE.  >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE 13 AYES ON THAT. AND NOW I'LL MOVE ON TO  TH NOMINATION FOR THE OFFICE OF VICE PRESIDENT OR VICE CHAIR.  EXACT SAME PROCESS. I'LL NOW  OPEN UP THE FLOOR. COMMISSIONER  SANDBERG.   I'D LIKE TO PUT THE NAME OF  ANDREA RUBENSTEIN INTO THE  PROCESS FOR VICE CHAIR.  >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ARE  THERE ANY OER NOMINATIONS FOR  THE SEAT OF VICE CHAIR? SEEING  NONE, I'LL NOW PROCEED TO CLOSE  THE NOMINATION PERIOD, AND I'LL  PROCEED TO THE ROLL CALL.  COMMISSIONER BOONE.  >> AYE.  >> CLEGG.  >> AYE.  >> COOPER.  >> AYE.  >> DEMELLO.  >> AYE.  >> DOHERTY.  >> YES.  >> GARCIA.  >> AYE.  >> HILL.  >> AYE.  >> NEY.  >> AYE.  >> PERRY.  >> AYE.  >> SANDBERG.  >> AYE.  >> SMITH.  >> AYE.  >> RUBENSTEIN.  >> AYE.  >> CHAIR GINDER.  >>AYE.  >> WE HAVE 13 AYES. WITH THAT,  I'LL NOW MOVE TO THE ELECTION  FOR THE SEAT OF -- OR FOR THE  OFFICE OF SECRETARY. I'LL NOW  OPEN THE NOMINATION PERIOD. ARE  THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE  OFFICE OF SECRETARY?  >> MR. CLERK.  >> CLEGG.  >> I NOMINATE JILL GARCIA FOR  THE OFFICE OF SECRETARY.  >> TNK YOU. ARE THERE ANY  OTHER NOMINATIONS? SEEING NONE,  I WILL CLOSE THE PERIOD FOR  NOMINATIONS. AND PROCEED WITH  THE ROLL CL FOR CLEGG'S  NOMINATION OF COMMISSIONER  GARCIA TO THE SEAT. COMMISSIONER BOONE.  >> AYE. >> CLEGG.  >> AYE.  >> COOPER.  >> AYE.  >> MELLO.  >> AYE.  >> DOHERTY.  >> YES.  >> GARCIA.  >> AYE.  >> HILL.  >> AYE.  >> NEY.  >> AYE.  >> PERRY.  >> AYE.  >> SANDBERG.  >> AYE.  >> SMITH.  >> AYE.  >> RUBENSTEIN.  >> AYE.  >> GINDER.  >> AYE.  >> WE HAVE 13 AYES. WITH THAT,  WE'VE CONCLUDED THE ELECTIO FOR ALL OFFICES. I'LL RETURN THE  MEETING TO CHAIR GINDER.  >> THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. AND I  GUESS CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW BOARD AGAIN. THE NEXT ITEM ON  OUR AGENDA IS ITEM 6 WHICH IS  OUR 2024 ANNUAL REPORT. THE  MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION 2024  ANNUAL REPORT. AND IF APPROVED,  THIS REPORT IS FORWARDED TO THE  CHIEF JUDGE OF THE HENNEPIN  COUNTY DISTRICT COURT. IS THERE  ANY DISCUSSION ON THE REPORT? IT IS IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU. I  DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ALL HAD  TIME TO LOOK AT IT. IT WAS  PUBLISHED PREVIOUSLY, ALSO.  >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD MOVE TO  HAVE THE REPOR TRANSMITTED TO  CHIEF JUDGE.  >> AND I SEE NO DISCUSSION. SO  IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT  MOTION?  >> SECOND.  >> WE HAVE A PROPER -- EXCUSE  ME. NOW IS A PROPER TIME FOR  DISCUSSION. ALSO IF THERE IS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE  MOTION. SEEING NO DISCUSSION,  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.  >> AYE.  >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.  THAT MOTION PASSES, AND THE  REPORT HAS BEEN APPROVED, AND  I'LL DIRECT THE CLERK TO FORWARD THAT TO THE CHIEF JUDGE. THE  NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS  CONSIDERATION OF A WORK PLAN F THE CHARTER COMMISSION FOR THE  YEAR 2025. AND BASICALLY, THIS  IS A PRESENTATION OF MY THOUGHTS ON WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO GO FOR THIS YEAR. LAST YEAR, AS YOU'LL  RECALL, WE SPENT SOME TIME ON  LOOKING AT THE CHARTER AND THE  LARGE DOCUMENTATION WE GOT FROM  CITY STAFF REGARDING CONFORMING, POSSIBLY CONFORMING THE CHARTER  TO THE ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT  HAD BEEN MADE TO IMPLEMENT THE  EXECUTIV MAYOR SYSTEM. YOU  KNOW, PARTICULARLY WE TALKED  ABOUT ISSUES SUCH AS APPOINTMENT OF DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND ALONG  WITH THAT, THERE WERE A WHO  LIST OF ITEMS THAT WERE  FORWARDED TO US THAT WOULD  EITHER CONFORM, NONCONFORMING  ITEMS OF THE CHARTER, AND A LOT  OF OTHER UPDATES TO THE CHARTER  THAT VARIOUS CITY STAFF HAD  RECOMMENDED. THOSE ITEMS WERE  DISCUSSED IN TWO OF OUR  COMMITTEES. ONE WAS IN THE  GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE COMMITTEE.  WE HAD JUST ONE MEETING, JOINT  MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL  AND THE MAYOR. WE DIDN'T HAVE  MUCH INTERACTION WITH ELECTED  OFFICIALS AFTER THAT. AND SO  IT'S STILL ON OUR PLATE TO  DECIDE WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH  THIS. LOOKING AT THIS YEAR WHICH IS AN ELECTION YEAR FOR CITY  COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR.  IF THERE WASN'T A LOT OF INPUT  FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS LAST  YEAR, I THINK IT'S FAIRO SAY  WITH THE PRESS OF THE ELECTION  THERE WILL BE LESS INPUT THIS  YEAR FROM THOSE INDIVIDUALS. AND SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR  US TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT  ISSUE. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ITEMS WE THINK WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON, IF ANY, OUT OF ALL THOSE R RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE  PRESENTED LAST YEAR. WHEN WE G DONE WITH THIS, I THINK A MOTION TO REFER THISACK TO THE  COMMITTEE WHICH HASN'T MET FOR BELIEVE SOME TIME. SINCE WE ALSO HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER, IF  ANYBODY ELSE WOULD WANT TO  BECOME A MEMBER OF THE  GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE COMMITTEE,  PLEA LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN  APPOINT YOU TO THAT. I ALSO HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS YEAR  WHAT ELSE WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK  AT. ONE OF THE ITEMS I THINK  WOULD BE USEFUL LOOKING AT IS  JUST IN GENERAL, CITY COUNCIL.  THERE HAVE BEEN ITEMS IN THE  LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE'VE  HAD PRESENTATIONS ON THAT WE'VE  NEVER REALLY EXPLORED. SUCH AS  THE SALARY SCHEDULE, AND WHERE  WE RANK WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL  ENTITIES. THE ISSUE OF  FULL-TIME, PART-TIME. ARE THERE  OTHER METHODS OF ALLOCATING  COUNCIL MEMBERS, VIS-À-VIS THE  WARD METHOD, DISTRICT METHOD,  AT-LARGE MEMBERS. JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TOPIC AND SEE IF  THERE'S ANYTHING WE WANT TO  EXPLORE ON THAT. SO THOSE ARE  TWO ITEMS THAT I'VE KIND OF, IN  MY MIND TAKEN A SHOT AT TRYING  TO OUTLINE FOR THINGS WE MIGHT  DO THIS YEAR. AND SO WITH THAT  KIND OF BACKGROUND, I'M GLAD TO  OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION ON  WHERE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK  ABOUT THAT INPUT ON THAT. AND  JUST GATHER THOUGHTS ON WHERE WE MIGHT GO IN THE COMING YEAR.  >> CHAIR GINDER.  >> YES.  >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, I  WOULD JUST NOTE THE REASON WE  DEFERRED GOVERENT STRUCTURE TO THIS YEAR WAS BOTH THE COUNCIL  AND THE MAYOR REQUESTED A  DEFERRAL. IT'S NOT LIKE WE  HADN'T MET OUR OBLIGATIONS HERE. THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO  THE LIST IS CONTINUED WORK EVEN  ON ELECTIONS ISSUE. WHICH WE  STOPPED WORKING ON LAST YEAR  AFTER THE LEGISLATURE FAILED TO  PASS THE BILL. THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL VOTED. THE AMENDMENT WAS  INTRODUCED BY PETITION. IT WILL  BE INTERESTING TO FOLLOW THAT  AND SEE WHETHER THE COUNT CAN  WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THAT  A FEASIBLE WAY OF ELECTIONS  WITHOUT LOCAL CHOICES  LEGISLATION.  >> COMMISSIONER, I AGREE WITH  THAT. WE'VE DONE MT OF THE  WORK ON THAT. I THINK THE NEXT  THING IS TO SEE WHERE THE  LEGISLATURE AND/OR RAMSEY COUNTY THAT WOULD BE OF US TO US.  COMMISSIONER.  >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WITH  REGARD TO UNDERSTANDING THAT  BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE  MAYOR WILL BE BUSY WITH THEIR  ELECTIONS, I WANT TO REITERATE  THAT THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ASKED THAT WE POSTPONE DISCUSSION OF  ALL OF THE ISSUES THA YOU  TALKED ABOUT. AND AS I RECALL,  ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALL  THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT WAS  HEARING WHAT THE VIEWS WERE WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF THESE  CHGES OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO  WHILE I DO THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I AM HOPING  THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE  CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR IN  TERMS OF WHAT THEIR VIEWS ARE ON THIS.  >> COMMISSIONER, I WOULD STILL  LOVE TOET INPUT FROM THE  ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THIS. THIS  IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD  ANTICIPATE TRYING TO PUT ON THE  BALLOT THIS YEAR. I THINK THIS  IS A YEAR FOR US TO SPEND SOME  TIME WITH THIS AND REALLY KIND  OF COALESCE OUR OWN IDEAS ABOUT  WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT, AND  THEN WE WOU HAVE TIME  HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE TO  DISCUSS WIT THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO PUT FAVORABLE OR  UNFAVORABLE. YOU KNOW,  ULTIMATELY, THE DECISION ENDS UP BEING OURS IF WE THINK AN IDEA  HAS VALIDITY AND WE WANT TO  PRESENT IT TO THE VOTERS. I  THINK THIS IS A YEAR TO SPEND  SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT WHERE  WE'RE GOING ON THESE ISSUES.  COMMISSIONER NEY.  >> WOULD YOU S THE INTENT OF  THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE AS A  COMMISSION WOULD BE HAVING THEN  WOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS, YOU  KNOW, HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC?  >> IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS,  WE WILL AT SOME POINT HAVE  PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS. BUT  ALSO I THINK ONE OF THE TNGS  I'D LIKE TO SEE DONE TO SEE IF  WE CAN GET INPUT FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE NOW IN THE  LAST THREE YEARS, THREE AND A  HALF YEARS, WORKING WITH THE NEW EXECUTIVE MAYOR, LEGISLATIVE  COUNCIL.HETHER THAT BE DONE BY SURVEYS OR PHONE CALLS OR IF WE  COULD FIND MONEY IN A BUDGET  SINCE WE DO IN THEORY GET MONEY  FROM THE CITY TO UNDER STATUTE  MAYBE TO HAVE THIRD PARTY HELP US TO TALK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE  WORKING WITH THE SYSTEM. WHETHER IT'S DEPARTMENT HEADS, YOU KNOW, THEIR DEPUTIES, WHATEV, TO TRY AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM  PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE  SYSTEM TO SAY THESE THINGS DON'T WORK. THESE THINGS DO WORK. SO  IT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY SOMETHING  THAT'SELL THOUGHT OUT WHEN WE  COME BACK WITH ANY IDEAS OR  THOUGHTS ON THIS. VICE CHAIR  RUBENSTEIN.  >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IT  SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'VE GOT SORT  OF TWO GENERAL CATEGORIES OF  TASKS THAT WE MIGHT BE TAKING ON. AND WE DO HAVE AT LEAST A  YEAR OF STUDY AND MORE TO DO IT, WHICH MAKES IT A VERY GOOD TIME  TO DO IT. ONE IS THE IMMEDIATE  CHANGES TO THE CHARTER THAT WE  HAD LEFT OFF AFTER GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS JUST TO MAKE IT  CONSISTENT WITH THE CHANGE IN  GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE. AND ALL  THEROPOSED CHANGES THAT THE  CITY ATTORNEYS HAD WORKED ON AND WE TABLED IN A WAY. SO THAT'S  KIND OF MORE IMMEDIATE. AND THEN YOU MENTION THAT WE MIGHT BE  LOOKING AT BROADER QUESTIONS  WITH REGARD TO STRUCTURE IN CITY COUNCIL. THAT SEEMS TO BE A  BIGGER AND LONGER TERM STUDY,  PERHAPS. THAT WOULD INCLUDE  HEARING FROM THE VARIOUS  STAKEHOLDERS THAT YOU'VE  MENTIONED. BOTH OF THOSE THINGS  ARE GOOD. SO MY ONLY REAL  QUESTION IS WOULD THAT ALL GO TO GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE? DO WE NEED ANOTHER WORK GROUP AS WELL?  >> I CAN GET SOME INPUT FROM THE CURRENT CHAIR GOVERNMENT  STRUCTURE. BUT IN THE PAST, I  KNOW GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE HAS  ALSO FORMED SUBCOMMITTEES TO  LOOK AT ISSUES. IT MIGHT BE  POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE AT  LEAST NINE MEMBERS THAT ARE ON  THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE  COMMITTEE SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TAKE A  REPORT,OME BACK TO THE CHARTER AMENDMENT COMMITTEE AND HAVE A  BROADER DISCUION BEFORE IT  COMES BEFORE THE FULL  COMMISSION. WE'VE DONE THAT IN  THE PAST.F THIS GOES BACK TO  THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE  COMMITTEWOULD THEN DEFER TO  THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR THERE.  >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD JUST  RECALL THAT THE GOVERNMENT  STRUCTURE COMMITTEE ITSELF WAS  FORMEDUT OF WHAT WAS THEN  CALLED THE PUBLIC SAFETY  COMMITTEE, WHICH CAME BACK TO  THE COMMISSION AND SAID, YOU  KNOW, WE REALLY NEED A  GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE COMMITTEE  TO LOOK ATOME OF THESE ISSUES. I THINK WE'RE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE  AS TO WHEER OR NOT ANOTHER  COMMITTEE IS NECESSARY, AND THAT WILL REALLY BE UP TO ALL OF US  TO DECIDE.  >> VICE CHAIR RUBENSTEIN.  >> IT ALSO OCCURS TO ME AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS THAT A COUPLE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED A YEAR AGO OR MORE WERE ME  POLICY CHANGES THAN LANGUAGE  CHANGES. AND WE PARTILARLY  TABLED THOSE CHANGES TO LOOK AT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER PERHAPS  DISTINCT PART OF THE PROCESS  WHERE WE WILL NEED A LOT OF THO  FROM OTHER PEOPLE.  >> IF I COULD JUST ADD, WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THAT  EXTENSIVE DOCUMENT THAT CAME  FORWARD FROM CITY STAFF, AT  AST IT WOULD BE MY FEELING  THAT NOT EVERYTHING IN THERE  NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THIS YEAR. THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT I  THINK ARE MUCH LONGER TERM. SO I THINK IT WAS ARTICLE 10 THAT WAS LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE OF ALL  OF THE BOARDS AND ORGANIZATIONS  IS NOT SOMETHING IN MY MIND THAT HAS THE SAME IMMEDIACY AS SOME  OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT MORE  DIRECTLY IMPACT THE ISSUES THAT  HAVE BEEN RAISED, FOR EXAMPLE,  BY THE ORDINANCE ASELL AS SOME OF THE INCONSISTENCIES THAT MAY  EXIST IN THE CHARTER. AND SO  THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I  THINK WE WOULD ADDRE THIS YEAR FIRST BEFORE WE'D MOVE ON TO  SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THA  WERE OUTLINED IN WHAT WAS REALLY A VERY EXTENSI DOCUMENT. MR.  CARL, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?  >> MR. CHAIR, I WAS JUST GOING  TO SUGGESTO BRING EVERYONE  BACK TO THE SAME PAGE. I BELIEVE THE PACKET OF AMENDMENTS THAT  WERE REFERRED TO WE AT ONE POINT CALLED THOSE TECHNICAL  AMENDMENTS. THIS WAS TO BRING  THE CHARTER AND THE CODE IN  ALIGNMENT WITH CHANGES THAT HAD  BEEN MA. CITY COUNCIL AND THE  MAYOR AND THE CHARTER  COMMISSION, MAYBE THISILL JOG  SOME MEMORIES, THAT WAS  AHALL AHALLOWEEN. THERE WERE COUNCIL  MEMBERS THAT HAD COSTUMES ON.  TABLE YOUR ACTIONS AND ALLOW  THEM TO SPEND 2024 CONSIDERING  WHAT THEY MIGHT DO WITH THAT.  AND SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE THE CHARTER COMMISSION  DECIDE WHAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT DO ON SOME OR ALL OF THAT PACKET  BECAUSE HERE WE ARE IN 2025 AND  THERE IS STILL MISALIGNMENT, IF  YOU WILL, OR NOT AGREEMENT  BETWEEN THE CHARTER AND THEN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.  >> SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION THEN TO REFERD BOTH THE ISSUE THAT WAS -- AMONG THE ISSUES THAT WERE PRESENTED  LAST YEAR BY THE STAFF AS WELL  AS THOSE I TALKED ABOUT ON CITY  COUNCIL TO REFER THOSE ITEMS TO  THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE  COMMITE?  >> SO MOVED, DOHERTY.  >> SECOND.  >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION  ON THAT MOTION?  >> MR. CHAIR OR MR. CLERK.  >> CHAIR GINDER, I JUST WANTED  TO CONFIRM WHEN REFERRING TO THE AMENDMENTS, YOU'RE NOT REFERRING TO ARTICLE 10, YOU'RE REFERRING  TO THE OTHER TECHNICAL  AMENDMENTS?  >> THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. YEAH.  >> THANK YOU.  >> OKAY. SEEING NO FURTHER  DISCUSSION, MR. CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.  >> ON THE MOTION TO --   I GUESS THIS IS -- YEAH.  EXCUSE ME.  >> ON THE MOTION TO REFER THE  TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS AND THE NEW TOPIC RELATED TO THE COUNCIL  STRUCTUREND BUSINESS,  COMMISSIONER BOONE.  >> AYE. >> CLEGG.  >> AYE.  >> COOPER.  >> AYE.  >> MELLO.  >> AYE.  >> DOHERTY.  >> YES.  >> GARCIA.  >> AYE.  >> HILL.  >> AYE.  >> KOZAK.  >> AYE.  >> NEY.  >> AYE.  >> PERRY.  >> AYE.  >> SANDBERG.  >> AYE.  >> SMITH.  >> AYE.  >> VICE CHAIR RUBENSTEIN.  >> AYE.  >> CHAIR GINDER.  >> AYE.  >> WE HAVE 14 AYES.  >> THAT MATTER PASSES. THE FINAL ITEM ON OURGENDA IS PUBLIC  COMMENT. I THERE'S ANYONE HERE  TO SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE MAKE SURE IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED  UPITH THE CLERK, LET THE CLERK KNOW OR LET ME KNOW RIGHT NOW.  MR. CLERK, HAVE WE HAD ANYBODY  SIGN UP FOR COMMENTS?  >> CHAIR GINDER, THE ARE NO  MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP  FOR COMMENT.  >> SEEING NOBODY HERE FOR  COMMENTS, WITH THAT, WE'VE  CONCLUDED ALL OF OUR BUSINESS  BEFORE THE CHARTER COMMISSION.  AND WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION, WE  STAND ADJOURNED.