>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SHA CHUGHTAI AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER OUR VERY FIRST REGULAR MEETING FOR THIS TERM FOR MAY 4TH, 2026. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING I WANT TO OFFER A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO ALL MEMBERS, STAFF AND THE PUBLIC
THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE BROADCAST LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THESE BROADCASTS INCLUDE REALTIME CAPTIONI AS A FURTHER METHOD HE TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDING TO THE COMMUNITY THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT
OUR CAPTIONER CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO MODERATE THE SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENTS. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM.
(ROLL CALL.) >> THERE'S 11 MEMBERS PRESENT.
>> LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. I WILL ALSO REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE ARE USING SPEAKER MANAGEMENT TODAY SO PLEASE MAKE SURE TO SIGN IN. THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S MEETING IS BEFORE US AND CAN SEE WE HAVE A PACKED AGENDA. I ANTICIPATE
THAT WE WILL NEED THE ENTIRE SCHEDULED COMMITTEE TIME AND POTENTIALLY TAKE UP THE ENTIRE AFTERNOON. WE HAVE CAPTIONERS AVAILABLE TODA UNTIL 5:30 PM. I'LL ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE MAKE ME AWARE OF ANY SCHEDULING CONFLICTS SO THAT WE
MAY ENSURE QUORUM TO GET THROUGH OUR BUSINESS TODAY. WITH THAT WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA WHICH IS ITEM NO. 1 APPROVING THE 2026 CONSOLIDATED ACTION PLAN BUDGET ADJUSTMENT THIS IS THE STANDARD ITEM THAT WE TAKE UP
EVERY YEAR. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM AND ASK FOR A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM COLLEAGUES ON THIS ITEM? I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNSEL VICE PRESIDENT
OSMAN. I'M NOT SEEING ANY DISCUSSION SO ON THE MOTION TO APPROVAL THIS ITEM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED S NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE AYES OF IT AND
THAT MOTION CARRIES. A WE'LL TAKE UP OUR LENGTHY MOTION AGENDA WE HAVE SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS BEFORE US SO TO BEGIN WITH ITEM NO. 2 GEORGE HARGROVE WILL BE PRESENTING BOTH THE FOURTH QUARTER FINANCIAL STATUS REPORT
AND THE ROLLOVER OF UNSPENT 2025 APPROPRIATIONS. I'LL INVITE MR. HAROVE TO JOIN US AND BEGIN THE FIRST PRESENTATION ON THE FOURTH QUARTER FINANCIAL STATUS REPORT OR THE YEAR-END
FINCIAL STATUS REPORT. WELCOME, MR. HARGROVE? >> IS THAT GOOD? >> I'LL ASK YOU TO SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO.
>> OKAY, YEAH. SORRY. GOO AFTERNOON, CHAIR CHUGHTAI COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS GEORGE HARGROVE CITY CONTROLLER I'M HERE TO PRESENT FOURTH QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT. GO AHEAD, ROB. THANKS. I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW,
MENTION A FEW THINGS ABOUT THE REPORT. THIS IS THROUGH THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2025 WHICH IS OUR LAST OPERATIONAL QUARTER. IT IS A POINT IN TIME REPORT. EVEN THOUGH THE PERIOD 12 I
CLOSED, WE STILL ARE ADJUSTING THE BOOKS AND WE'RE GETTING THROUGH OUR FINANCIAL AUDIT THROUGH THE STATE AUDITOR SO WE STILL HAVE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS LEFT TO DO. THE FINAL NUMBERS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN OUR 2025 ANNUAL
COMPREHENSIVE REPORT WHICH WILL BE ISSUED AROUND THE END OF JUNE OR SO. JUST -- JUST A LITTLE RECOMMENDATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY USE THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE DECISIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'D BE BEST ESPECIALLY FOR 2026 ITEMS TO CHECK BACK AS THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND I DO PLAN TO TALK SOME ABOUT 2026 A LITTLE LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION. GO AHEAD, ROB. SO MOVING ON TO OUR MAIN
FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHT, THE CITY IS REALLY IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. OUR NONGENERAL FUND IS ACTUALLY, I THINK, DOING QUITE WELL IN MOST AREAS. THE GENERAL FUND ON THE OTHER HAND AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE
GENERAL FUND ASIND OF OUR MAIN FUNDED FUNDS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE STANDARD SERVICES RESIDENTS DEPEND ON IS STARTING TO APPROACH ITS MINIMUM BALANCE REQUIREMENTS. SO -- SO REALLY JUST KIND OF A TALE OF TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS IN THE
CITY. WHEN I CAME TO TALK ABOUT QUARTER 3 WE TALKED ABOUT THE 36 MILLION -- IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 12 MONTHS IN 2025, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT COMES TO ABOUT 5 MILLION DOLLARS MONTH AND WE DON'T
GENERALLY REFER TO THAT AS NEGATIVE CASH FLOW. SO MOVING ON HERE, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT 5 MILLION DOLLAR FIGURE A LITTLE LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION. MORE FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS
WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OUR AAA BOND RATING WITH THE THREE MAJOR CREDITS RATING AGENCIES -- CREDIT RATING AGENCIES. THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND IS SUBSTANTIALLY ABOVE ITS MINIMUM POLICY LEVEL OF 160 MILLION BY ABOUT $84 MILLION OR SO. THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE
SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED OUR ESTIMATES FOR TORT LIABILITIES NET POSITION TO DECREE TO $134 MILLION OR SO. AND WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING THAT NUMBER WITH AUDITORS SO IT'S NOT QUITE FINAL YET. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE
NEED TO DO TO CLOSE THE BOOKS. WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR FEDERAL GRANTS AND THE CHANGING REQUIREMENTS. I'M HAPPY TO REPORT FOR THE MADE HUD GAPS LIKE CDBG AND HOME THEY'VE STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT AND AT OTHER TIMES THE CITY HAS GOT
COURT INJUNCTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO CONTINUE FUNDINGS IN PARTICULAR HEALTH GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO FAR SO GOOD FOR THE FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE HAVE AND THE CITY WAS CITY WAS
AWARDED IN EXCELLENCE OF FINANCIAL REPORTING FOR OUR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT THAT WE ISSUED LAST JUNE. MOVING ON SOME MORE HIGHLIGHTS HERE. OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE CURRENTLY FORECAST -- ADD UP ABOUT $19 MILLION
UNDERBUDGET FOR 2025. THAT KIND OF STAYS THE SAME IN 2026 AS WELL, TOO. LOCAL SALES TAX IN THE SOUND ASSETS FUND WE'RE ESSENTIALLY FLAT IN 2025 IS COMPARED TO '24 ABOUT 87.5 MILLION OR SO. IT SHOULD BE
NOTED THAT WE HAVE INCREASED THE TRANSFERS OF THE GENERAL FUND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT FUND BALANCE GOING DOWN BY ABOUT $10 MILLION OR SO. FINALLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ENDED UP ABOUT 17.6 MILLION OVERBUDGET. FIRE ENDED UP A
LITTLE LESS THAN OVERBUDGET FOR ABOUT 24, $25 MILLION. IN ADDITION WE ALSO HAVE UNBUDGETED SETTLEMENT COSTS OF 5.7 MILLION WHICH WE SPLIT OFF WHEN WE DID THE REPORT THIS YEAR.
AND CONTINUING ON WITH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE IN TERMS OF OUR ASSETS AND INVESTMENT ACCOUNTS, WE HAVE ABOUT 1.18 BILLION DOLLARS MAINLY IN TREASURY BILLSHAT'S ABOUT A $50 MILLION DECREASE FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR, DECEMBE 31st OF
'24, WHERE WE HAD ABOUT 1.23 BILLION OR SO. IN ADDITION, I DO MENTION A FEW AREAS THAT IT AREN'T QUITE MEETING THE FINANCIAL POLICY. OUR SELF-INSURANCE CONTINUES TO HAVE A NEGATIVE NET POSITION AS
I MENTIONED EARLIER, ALTHOUGH IT IS EXCEEDING OUR SHORT-TERM POLICY. -- POLICY PROVISIONS. PROPERTY SERVICES IS SLIGHTLY UNDER THEIR TARGET CASH BILLION ALTHOUGH THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED SINCE LAST TIME I WAS
HERE IN DECEMBER OF '25. >> ENGINEERING MATERIALS HE AND TESTING LAB ALSO ISN'T QUITE MEETING THE NET POSITION REQUIREMENT GENERALLY DUE TO FAIRLY HIGH PENSION LIABILITIES IN THAT AREA. AND THEN FINALLY I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THERE'S A COUPLE
AREAS THAT NOW DO EXCEED THEIR MINIMUM BALANCES I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT'S OUR FLEET SERVIC AND THEN OUR PARKING -- PARKING AREA AS WELL, TOO, HAS A -- HAS REACHED ITS -- OR A LITTLE BIT ABOVE ITS MINIMUM BALANCE. SO WITH THAT, AT THIS POINT I WANT TO TURN THIS OVER HAVE TO
DEPUTY CONTROLLER ROBERT LANGE WHO WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND. >> THANK YOU, GEORGE. THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND CITY COUNCIL FOR HAVING US. MY NAME IS ROB LANGE I'M THE DEPUTY CONTROLLER. WHAT WE PRESENTED BACK AT QUARTER 3 THERE'S NOT
GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE INFORMATION WE'RE SHOWING. THE FORECAST AS GEORGE MENTIONED WAS RELATIVELY CLOSE. BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE NEW TO CITY COUNCIL, AND AS A REMINDER WHERE WE'RE SITTING YEAR GOING TO GO FOURTH QUARTER ON AUDITED FINANCIALS. THO FINANCIALS WILL BE AUDITED AND
HOPEFULLY BY JUNE 30TH. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE GENERAL FUND AS A REMINDER ACCOUNTS FOR ALL FINANCIAL RESOURCES EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE ACCOUNTED ELSEWHERE. PRACTICALLY SPEAKING WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WE
COLLECT OUR PROPERTY TAXES, SOME FRANCHISE FEES AND WE UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS TO PAY FOR WHAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY THINK THE CITY WOULD OFFER, POLICE, FIRE, AND ACCOUNTING AND HR AND ATTORNEYS'S OFFICE BECAUSE THIS
FUND IS SO CRITICAL TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ALWAYS BE MONITORING THE HEALTH OF THAT FUND INTO IT FURTHER. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL START WITH THE CASH BALANCE. THIS IS THE BALANCE IN THE BANK ACCOUNT FOR THE GENERAL
FUND. WE STARTED THE YEAR AT $23 FOR YOUR MILLION WE'RE ENDING THE YEAR AT $176 MILLION THIS IS A $58 MILLION DECASE IN 2025. SIMILARLY, THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE ALSO FOLLOWED SUIT, AND AS A REMINDER WHAT FUND BALANCE
IS, FUND BALANCE IS ALMOST LIKE NET WORTH. IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOUR ASSETS, LESS YOUR LIABILITIES LIKE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE OR SALARIES AND THAT REMAINING AMOUNT IS THE FUND BALANCE OF THE GENERAL FUND, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE UTILIZE TO DETERMINE IF WE'RE MEETING THE
17% MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. SO END -- OR BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WE HAD $209 MILLION IN ND BALANCE AND WE ENDED THE YEAR AT $140 MILLION. A 68 MILLION DOLLAR DECREASE OR ABOUT 33%. NOW, THE MINIMUM DOES
REQUIRE $109 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE SO AS WE STAND HERE TODAY, WE ARE MEETING OUR MINIMUM FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT BUT THERE IS IN '25 A SIGNIFICANT SPEND-DOWN QUOTA TREND THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IMPACTFUL AS WE END '26 AND THAT
'RE GOING TO GET IN MORE DETAIL LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION AS WE MOVE AWAY FROM 2025 AND START LOOKING INTO 6. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE REVENUES. SO WE HAD ABOUT $9 MILLION IN REVENUES BUDGETED
THAT WEREN'T COLLECTED. THE PRIMARY DRIVE OF THAT WAS PROPERTY TAX AS DISCUSSED IN THE QUARTER 3 FINANCIALS. ABOUT $18.9 MILLION UNEXPECTED PROPERTY TAXES THAT WERE LEVIED. ADDITIONALLY FRANCHISE FEES HAD $5 MILLION IN LESS REVENUES
HOWEVER, IT WAS AN INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR, HOWEVER, THE BUDGET JUST INCREASED FASTER THAN THE ACTUAL INCREASE IN FRANCHISE FEES. THIS WAS -- AND THEN FINALLY LICENSING AND PERMITS WAS UNDERUDGET BY $5.4 MILLION
AS A RESULT BUILDING PERMITS WAS THE PRIMARY DRIVER FOR THAT. IT WAS OFFSET BY SERVICE CHARGES THANKS TO /30*RBGZ AND ADDITIONAL INCOME THEY BROUGHT TO THE CITY GENERAL FUND AS WELL AS UNREALIZED GAINS. SO HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO PRIOR YEARS. OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS WE COLLECTED ALMOST 100%
OF THE REVENUES THAT WERE BUDGETED HOWEVER IN '25 IT WAS ABOUT 98.7% SO 1.3% DIFFERENCE. ON A BUDGET OF $660 MILLION THAT 1.3% CAN ADD UP TO MANY
MILLIONS. SO WE ARE COLLECTING A LITTLE LESS THAN WE ARE HISTORICALLY. ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE HERE WE HAVE A TABLE SHOWING MAJOR EXPENSE CATEGORY. WHAT I WANT TO DRAW YOUR EYE TO IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY DID HAVE OVERSPEND
OF $14.7 MILLION. AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS ALSO 7.8 MILLION DOLLARS BUT AS A REMINDER SUBSTANTIALLY MOST OF THAT WAS EXCEEDED NEARING THE NETTING. HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO
PRIOR YEARS? SO AVERAGE OF THE LAST 3 YEARS, '22 TO '24 WE SPENT ABOUT 91% OF OUR BUDGET. AND IN 2025 WE'RE SEEING ABOUT 98.8%. A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN HOW MUCH OF WE SPEND PER BUET. A PRIMARY DRIVER OF
THAT IS THAT WHILE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS HE HISTORICALLY REMAINED UNDERBUDGET, RESULTING IN 9% SAVINGS, THAT 9% SAVINGS DID GET SPENT BY PUBLIC SAFETY RESULTING IN US BEING CLOSER TO
FUNDING THE BUDGET EXPENDITURES. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE WE'RE COLLECTING LESS REVENUE THAN WE HISTORICALLY HAVE UNDERBUDGET AND WE'RE SPENDING EXPENDITURES AND THAT'S THE RESULT WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE DRASTICALLY
DECREASE IN BUDGETS. I WANT TO SHOW YOU A TABLE IT'S AN EXPERT FROM THAT 70-PAGE QUARTERLY REPORT THAT WE DO SEE IN YOUR PACKET. THIS SHOWS THE BUDGETS THE YEAR-TO-DATE ACTUAL AND THE VARIANCE BUDGET TO ACTUAL FOR EACH OF THE
DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND I DID HIGHLIGHT THOSE 5 DEPARTMENTS THAT CURRENTLY ARE OVERBUDGET. EXACT SAME 5 DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE IN THE QUARTER 3 REPORT. ASSESSING, DUE TO SOME PROJECTS THAT HAD ADDITIONAL COST IN 2025 THAT
BLED FROM '34 TO '25 -- '24 TO '25. PERSONNEL COSTS THAT WERE UNBUDGETED FOR AND THEN FINALLY WE GET TO THE BIG ONES: FIRE, OVERTIME, POLICE, OVERTIME IS A PRIMARY DRIVER FOR THOSE AS PRESENTED IN QUARTER 3 AND IS
STILL THE CASE AS WE MOVE INTO THIS YEAR. AND THEN FINALLY PUBLIC WORKS WHICH WE ALREADY DISCUSSED. THANKOU, GUYS VERY MUCH I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL REVENUES, ENTERPRISE AND
INTERNAL SERVICE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, DEPUTY CONTROLLER LANGE. YEAH, TO MOVE ON FROM THE GENERAL FUND HERE AND JUST TO KIND OF PUT IT IN CONTEXT, THESE -- THE NONGENERAL FUND IS
ABOUT 60% OR SO OF THE CITY'S BUDGET. WHEREAS. SO OUR SPECIALEVENUE FUNDS -- I MEAN, THESE ARE -- THESE ARE FUNDS THAT GENERALLY HAVE EXTERNAL RESTRICTIONS ON THEM, AND ARE HELD FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE SO
WE CAN'T REALLY PUT THEM IN THE GENERAL FUND. THE CONVENTION CENTER IS CERTAINLY AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. DOWNTOWN ASSETS, SOME AREAS IN COMMUNITY PLANNING, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE THIRD AND FOURTH BULLET POINT THAT
THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN MUCH CHANGE AT ALL FROM THE '24 YEAR-END AND THE '25 YEAR-END BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST WITHIN A FEW $100,000 THEY'VE CHANGED. AND I CAN GET INTO KIND OF THE REASONS IN A LITTLE BIT HERE. ROB, GO AHEAD AND SWITCH
IT HERE. AND SO THIS KIND OF CHART RIGHT HERE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THE TABLE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASES AND DECREASES IN BOTH OUR CASH BALANCE AND FUND BALANCE, AND SO IN HERE YOU CAN SEE -- IF YOU GO TO THE THIRD -- THIRD DEPARTMENT DOWN, DOWNTOWN
ASSETS FUND YOU CAN SEE THAT DECLINED ABOUT 12 MILLION IN CASH AND 10.5 BILLIONN FUND BALANCE AND THEN CONVERSELY IF YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WORKSHEET, YOU CAN SEE CPED COMMUNITYLANNING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA IS UP BY THE
SAME AMOUNT SO THAT'S WHY THERE WASN'T ANY CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR. THESE FUNDS ARE FUNDS THAT FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT GENERALLY SELL THEIR SERVICES INTERNALLY, CERTAINLY THE ENGINEERING MATERIALS AND TESTING LAB WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE FLEET SERVICES,
IT, PROPERTY SERVICE STORES, ELEMENTS OF OUR SELF-INSURANCE AS WELL, TOO. YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAD A FAIRLY HEFTY INCREASE FROM '24 TO '25, ABOUT 33, 34 MILLION IN NET POSITIONN TERMS OF CASH.
THAT WENT UP ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT FROM THE END OF 2025 AND IF YOU -- AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, PROPERTY SERVICES AND ENGINEERING MATERIALS ENGINEERING ARE UNDER THEIR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE AND LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE AGAIN NOW ON THE
CHART, YOU CAN SEE FLEET SERVICES ARE UP 5 AND 6 MILLION RESPECTFULLY. THEY' SLOWED SOME OF THEIR PURCHASES DOWN TO REPLACE FLEET AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SELF-INSURANCE IS UP QUITE A BIT AS WELL TOO. WE
COINUED TO BANK MONEY IN ANTICIPATION OF TORT -- TOWARD OTHER LIABILITIES. AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS MOST OF THESE ARE BASED IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE GENERALLY -- RUN SIMILAR TO
BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, THEY GENERALLY SELL THEIR SERVICES AND GOODS TO ENTITIES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. YOU CAN SEE HERE WE AGAIN HAD A PRETTY BIG INCREASE OF NET POSITION OF 47 MILLION AND THEN CASH OF ABOUT 25 MILLION, AND I DEFINITELY
WANT TO MENTION, O, THE PARKING FUND DID FINISH WITH 11 MILLION IN CASH WHICH IS ABOVE THE -- YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE PANDEMIC, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND THEN FINALLY IF WE LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS TABLE
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY HAS INCREASED, YOU CAN SEE CERTAINLY THE SEWER, STORM WATER -- YOU KNOW,S WE WORK DOWN THE TABLE HERE, THE WATER AND PARKING HAVE ALL KIND OF UNIFORMLY GONE UP SINCE THE END OF THE YEAR THE ONLY EXCEPTION
IS OUR SOLID WASTE AREA. IT DOES HAVE SOME DEBT OBLIGATIONS THAT OF KIND OF GONE DUE AND.
AND SO -- AND SO AT THIS POINT I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND HERE. THIS IS WHAT -- A VERY IMPORTA CHART THAT I'VE BEEN USING TO KIND OF TRACK THE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE CITY IS DOING A I WOULD CALL THIS THE TWO-YEAR PLANNING WORKSHEET SO -- AND WE'RE BASICALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE A LITTLE BIT PAST THE MIDDLE OF
THIS HORIZON RIGHT HERE AND SO WE LOOK AT KIND OF WHERE -- WHERE HER'S BEEN AND -- WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND JUST TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, WHY THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS. THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE IS 209
MILLION IN JANUARY 1st OF '25 THAT'S THE TO WHICH NUMBER THERE AT THE CHART THERE WE VE LESS REVENUES AND BUDGET AND LESS EXPENSES IN BUDGET AS WELL, TOO, BUT THAT'S STILL -- SINCE THERE WAS SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCEN THE EXPENSE AND REVENUE BUDGET IT
DID CAUSE OUR FUND BALANCE TO GO DOWN BY THE 141 MILLION OR SO AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU WOULD THAT WOULDN'T HAVE GONE DOWN SO MUCH IF DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, WERE -- FINISHED MORE ON BUDGET. AND SO THAT'S OUR -- WHAT'S CALLED OUR -- KIND OF OUR TOTAL
FUND BALANCE YOU CAN SEE THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 22% OF OUR -- OF OUR -- YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT -- 5% MORE THAN OF OUR TARGET OF 17%, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WANT TKEEP, YOU KNOW, IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE AND YOU CAN SEE THERE WERE VARIOUS USES IN
THE PLANNED FUND BUDGETS AND COUNSEL FUND AND WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE RESTRICTED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AID IN THE NORTH COMMONS PARK SO YOU CAN SEE THAT BRINGS US DOWN TO 116, 117 MILLION SO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE YEAR YOU CAN SEE WE'RE AT
ABOUT 18% SO JUST BARELY ABOVE THE MINIMUM BALANCE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT DOWN OATH TOTAL ABOVE TARGET WHERE IT SAYS 7.438 MILLION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR 17%. NOW MOVING FORWARD NOW INTO 2026, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S
ANOTHER -- A LITTLE LESS THAN $2 MILLION APPROPRIATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WE DID PAY THE PARK BOARD THE $3 MILLION SO WE REMOVED THAT SO THAT GOES THE OTHER WAY. AND WE DID DO A QUICK FORECAST AT THE END OF MARCH, EARLY APRIL. YOU CAN SEE
FOR THE -- FOR THE GENERAL FUND OUR EXPENSE FORECAST, WE INK IT'S GOING TO BE 16 MILLION DOLLARS UNFAVORABLE MEANING OVERBUDGET AGAIN, THAT'S DRIVEN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT ABOUT -- OUR FORECAST A LITTLE OVER 23 MILLION, FIRE ABOUT 6
MILLION. AND THEN SETTLEMENT COSTS APPROACHING ANOTHER 4 MILLION OR SO. AND THEN THE REASON WHY IT DOESN'T GO UP 33 MILLION THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND ESPECIALLY THE CONTINGENCY THAT WILL BE FORECASTED AT FAVORABLE OR THE CONTINGENCY NOT BEING SPENT.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY LAST LINE YOU CAN SEE THE RESEARCH SIDE WE'RE FORECASTING THAT TO BE $14 MILLION UNFAVORABLE MAINLY PROPERTY TAX. AND ALSO THE OTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS INTEREST REVENUE WE DO EXPECT SINCE WE HAVE LOWER BALANCES NOW AND THE RATES HAVE
BEEN DECLINING ON OUR INVESTMENTS WE DO EXPECT A LITTLE LESS INTEREST REVENUE AS WELL. SO YOU ADD ALL THOSE THINGS UP TOGETHER YOU CAN SEE THAT COMES TO ABOUT $31 MILLION. SO IF YOU TAKE 116 MILLION LESS THAT, YOU CAN SEE AT THE VERY
LAST LINE PROJECTED GENERAL FUND BALANCE AS OF DECEMBER 31st IT'LL BE ABOUT $87 MILLION ON OR SO IT WILL BE ABOUT 4 -- VERSUS OUR TARGET% OF 22 MILLION UNDERTARGET.
WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN? PLANNED USE OF FUND BALANCE AND BUDGETING KIND OF COVERING THE TOPICS THERE OVERSPENDING BY DEPARTMENTS BOTH IN25 AND FORECASTED IN '26. LESS REVENUE
THAN BUDGET. AND THEN APPROPRIATED ADDITIONAL FUNDING OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN EITHER DECREASE THE FUND BALANCE LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW OR INCREASE IT IF IT GOES THE OTHER WAY. WE ALSO LOOK AT BALANCE SHEET ITEMS LIKE LIABILITIES,
WHAT THE CITY OWES AS WELL AS WHAT'S OWED TO US CALLED RECEIVABLES. THOSE CAN AFFECT THE BALANCE AS WELL TOO. SO ANYWAY, LAST THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS IS THIS FORECAST ASSUMES NO MORE METRO SURGER
SURGES IF WE WERE TO HIT WITH EXTERNAL SHOCKS IT COULD, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO GO THIS WAY. AND FINALLY THE VERY LAST SLIDE I WANTED TO COVER AT THE END OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR, 2025, THE TOWN COUNCIL INTRODUCED SOME NEW FINANCIAL POLICIES TO HAVE A
BUDGETARY CONTROL REPORT. AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED NOW FOR 2026 BY FINANCE AS PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY PRESENTATIONS. FOR THE GENERAL FUND AS ROB MENTIONED WE HAD AN ASSESSING OF PUBLIC OFFICE
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OVEBY, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY NOMMEL AMOUNTS IN 2025. WE DON'T FORECAST THOSE TO BE OVERBUDGET IN '26. YOU CAN SEE THE FIRE, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE HERE -- WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THE 2025
BUDGET VARIANCE COLUMN AND THE 2026 BUDGET VARIANCE COLUMN. IT'S HOLDING STEADILY AT 6 TO $7 MILLION OVERBUDGET. AND THEN FINALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ABOUT 17.5 MILLION
OVER FOR 2025 AND THEN NOW WE'RE FORECASTED 24.4 MILLION OR SO. AND THEN WE HAVE THE MING DHR SETTLEMENT COSTS. AND YOU CAN SEE WE PULLED THAT OUT OF THE NUMBERS. WE MELT IT WAS BEST BECAUSE THAT'S MULTIPLE
DEPARTMENTS WE SPENT 5.7 MILLION LAST YEAR AND WE'RE FORECAST ANOTHER 4.3 MILLION. MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET -- TRY TO BUDGET IN 2027 AND FINALLY THE LAST DEPARTMENT IS PUBLIC WORKS. THEY ARE OVERBUDGET BUT ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING IN A LOT OF
REVENUE AND SINCE THEY'RE GENERALLY SELLING HOURSORTIME OR WORK -- IT'S CALLED WORK FOR OTHERS. IF THEY -- IF THEY ARE GETTING MORE REVENUE THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE MORE EXPENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAD BUDGETED SO YOU CAN SEE THERE FOR 2025, IF YOU
TAKE, YOU KNOW, THE OVERBUDGET BY 7.6 MILLION BUT ALSO FAVORABLE TO BUDGET BY 5.3 MILLION DOING WK FOR OTHERS BRINGING IN REVENUE YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A DEFICIT OF 2.3 MILLION. THAT WAS CAUSED BY THE LAST EVENT IN 2025. AS WELL AS I
BELIEVE COPPER WIRE THEFT AS WELL TOO. AND THEN FINALLY IN IT 2026 WE'RE FORECASTED TO BE ABOUT EVEN. THEY EXPECT EXPENSES TO BE ABOUT 6.8 MILLION OVERBUDGET BUT EXPECT REVENUE -- HE -- SO CASH WISE THEY'RE ABOUT ON
DGET THERE AND YOU CAN SEE IT REPRESENTS A PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT OF THEIR TOTAL OVERALL BUDGET. SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR FOURTH QUARTE FINANCIAL PRESENTATION. WE NOW STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION. MR. HARDGROVE AND MR. LANGE. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM MPD ABOUT OVERTIME. I SEE FIRE IS HERE AS WELL. THIS QUESTION IS OUT BASELINES AND I THINK WE CAN LOOK TO THE LAST YEAR AND RECOGNIZE THAT NOTHING LAST YEAR
WAS BASELINE BUT I DO FEEL PARTICULARLY IN THE FIRE SPACE WE SEEM TO BE CONSISTENTLY HITTING OVERTIME BUDGETS -- OVERTIME OVERAGES DESPITE BEING FULLY STAFFED SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A FIRE DEPARTMENT
QUESTION. IT'S MORE OF LIKE A CONTROLLER QUESTION. AT WHAT STAGE WHEN YOU'RE CONSISTENTLY HITTING THE SAME NUMBER YEAR AFTER YEAR, DO YOU JUST BUDGET MAKE SENSE >> I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS A BETTER QUESTION FOR -- FOR THE
BUDGET OFFICE. >> OKAY. >> HOW WE PLAN IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE'RE CONSISTENT IN THE OVERAGES. WELCOME, PLEASE BY INTRODUCING YOURSELVES. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I'M STILL ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUDGET TEAM AS WELL. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S UP TO ELECTED OFFICIALS TO CHANGE IN
THE BUDGET PROCESS. OVERTIME IS NOTNE OF THOSE CATEGORIES THAT WE CAN INFLATE YEAR-OVER-YEAR SO I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT TO HEAR MORE OF THE 2026 A BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS. >> I THINK IT WAS LESS
FORECASTING OVERTIME AND RECOGNIZING THE TOTAL OVERTIME HOURS THAT WE NEED AND THAT SHOULD TRANSITION TO A DIFFERENT IF IT IS -- >>YES, CHAIR, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CALCULATION THERE'S A TIPPING
POINT WHERE MORE OVERTIME MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE OR FTES. THERE'S A NEW LAG. BUT I THINK WE'LL BE HAVING THOSE
DISCUSSIONS IN WHAT AREA MIGHT BE MORE COST-EFFECTIVE IN THE OVERAGES BUDGETING PROCESS. >> THANK YOU. NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO.
>> THANK YOU, CHA CHUGHTAI. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION THAT FOLLOWS LIKE THE INFORMATION SHARED ON THE REPORT THAT YOU ATTACHED TO THE PRESENTATION SO I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 6 OF THE REPORT, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE MORE CLARITY 'CAUSE IT STATES THERE AT THE TOP OF IT
THAT THERE WAS APPROVED $2.4 MILLION OF APPROVED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT FUNDING. THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED. THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE OVERSPENDING AND UNDER THE POLICE SECTION IT STATES THAT THERE WAS $3.6 MILLION SPENT FOR
UNBUDGETED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ITEM AND THEN I THINK WE SEE A DIFFERENT ITEM PRESENTED IN THE PRESENTATION ITSELF SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING HOW TO RECONCILE ALL THESE VERY DIFFERENT FIGURES EVEN IN THE REPORT. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO GET
CLARITY ON THAT SINCE A TOTAL IS SUGGESTED AT 6 MILLION AND ALSO IF YOU CAN SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WAS SPENT AND WHY THIS WAS ANTICIPATED OR UNANTICIPATED AS I THOUGHT A LOT OF OUR
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT NEEDS ARE MAPPED OUT IN OUR REPORT, LIKE THERE'S AN ACTUAL REPORT WHAT'S NEEDED FROM THAT AND I RECOGNIZE THAT MIGHT NOT BE YOUR WHEELHOUSE, MORE THAN LIKELY MPD SO JUST STARTING WITH THE FIRST
QUESTION: CAN YOU RECONCILE THE DIFFERING BUDGET FIGURES? >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. SO THE AMOUNT PERSON IS BY POLICE WAS $3.6 MILLION. THE $5.7 MILLION INCLUDES VARIOUS OTHER DEPARTMENTS SO
THERE WAS SOME SPENDG WITHIN THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE FOR SOME CONTRACTS THAT'S ALSO BEING DED TO THAT $5.7 MILLION THERE'S CIRCLE INFORMATION, LIKE, CIVIL RIGHTS DEPARTMENTS, SO THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY $2.7 I
APOLOGIZE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TRANSLATION ERROR WE ADJUSTED THE ERROR IT IS $3.6 MILLION BY POCE. >> 3.6, OKAY, SO NOT A TOTAL FIGURE OF 6 THEN. >> TOTAL FIGURE OF $5.7 MILLION AS PRESENTED TODAY. >> OKAY.
>> SO IF WHICH 3.6 WAS -- -- RELATES TO POLICE AND OTHERS WERE OTHER SUBSEQUENT DEPARTMENTS THAT TOUCHES THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT'S WHERE I'M -- IF STAFF COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THAT SPECIFICALLY? WHAT FACTOR UNDER THOSE AND BENEFITS?
>> CORRECT, YES. SO WE DO HAVE A WORK SPATE SHOWING WHICH CONTRACTS AND WHICH DEPARTMENT IS PAYING FOR THE CONTRACT. THE ALEAFA CONTACT IS IS COVERED BY THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE, SO THE 3.6
PLUS THAT 1.2 WE'RE ALREADY GETTING CLOSER TO, LIKE, 4.8, 4 700,000 I WOULD HAVE TO REFER BACK TO MY WORKBOOK >> OKAY. UNDER THE 3.6 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT LISTS WHAT WAS
THAT INCLUSIVE FOR THE POLICE UNDER ALEAFA BUT WHAT WAS UNDER THE 3.6. >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS ON THAT. >> THAT'S A STAFF MOST OF THEM OR FOLLOW-UP, AND IF SOMEONE COULD QUALIFY IF THAT WAS PULLED
FROM THE $5 MILLION. FINANCE HAS SAID THAT WE DO HAVE AS BASICALLY ALLOCATED FOR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT COSTS AND I'M SEEING SOME HEAD-NODS BUT I'M JUST WANTED TO SEE IF IT WAS PULLED FROM THAT OR ANOTHER ESSENTIAL FUND WAS USED LIKE
CASH TO SUPPORT THIS? >> IT'S ALL THE SAME. A LOT OF THE SETTLEMENT DID HAPPEN IN '22, '21 TIMEFRAME AND SO IT'S ALL COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND IT IS UNBUDGETED BUT IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT WE'LL HAVE
SPEND IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR AT LEAST THE 5 MILLION IT'S STILL THAT OUTLYING $700,000 DIFFERENCE. THAT'S WHERE YOU ALSO NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON; CORRECT? >> I DON'T UNDERSTD THE
QUESTION. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AREOU REFERRING TO THE KIND OF RECONCILIATION VARIANCE -- >> YEAH, 'CAUSE YOU SAID THERE WAS 5.7 TOTAL. THERE'S 5 MILLION PUT IN FINANCE, FOR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS SO THERE'S STILL THAT OUTSTANNG 700,000 SO WHAT COVERED THAT?
>> YEAH, I THINK WHAT MAY BE BEST RIGHT NOW, CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO OUR -- WE HAVE A DATA -- KIND OF A LITTLE DATABASE OF WHAT ALL THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZATIONS WERE AND THEIR COST. I KNOW THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED, CIVIL
RIGHTS CERTAINLY COMES TO MIND AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT WE COULD GET YOU A LIST OF WHAT THE EXPENDITURES WERE AND THEN -- AND THEN HAVE THEM ADD UP TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT. >> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL ESPECIALLY I KNOW SOME OF US HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS
WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE AND WHITING AHEAD OF MEETING OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT COMMITTEE SO WE'RE TRULY UNDERSTANDING WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ON AND IS IT ACTUALLY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S PUT IN THE REPORT ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE DOING SOME OVERSPENDING AND HOW WE'RE NOT FACTORING
THOSE THINGS PROACTIVELY SO THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. JUST TO NOTE FOR CLERKS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE FOLLOW-UPS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS -- THIS SET OF QUESTIONS IS
FIRST TO HAVE FINANCE DETAIL OUT THE -- THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT-RELATED COSTS INCLUDING PROVIDING SOME FURTHER DETAILS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF COSTS
RELATED TO THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN JUST SOME RE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING VERY CLEARLY WHERE MONEY IS SET ASIDE YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT-RELATED COSTS AND
WHICH OF -- WHEN THAT'S -- WHEN NOTIFY -- WHEN THAT IS -- THAT POT OF MONEY IS BILLED AND WHO'S MANAGING SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT-RELATED COSTS. ANY FOLLOW-UPS NEEDED FOR YOU GUYS? OKAY, THANK YOU WE'LL
CONTINUE WITH QUEUE. I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION I AM CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR PERSPECTIVE FROM SOME OF THESE. SOME OF THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMR WONSLEY WAS ASKING IS THAT WE KEEP
HEARING MPD WAS $20 MILLION OVERBUDGET BUT THIS REPORT SAYS ONLY 17.6. WHAT ACCOUNTS F THIS DIFFERENCE, LIKE, WHAT LINE ITEMS WERE UNDERSPENT? >> ABSOLUTELY, SO THE $3.6
MILLION DIFFERENCE IF YOU ADD THAT -- SORRY, $3.6 MILLION SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND YOU ADD THAT TO THE 17 MILLION YOU'LL GET CLOSER TO THAT 20 MILLION THAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING. SO ON THIS REPORT THAT WE'RE SHOWING FOR QUARTER 4 WE DID PULL ALL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT COSTS FROM
THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENT AND PUT IT INTO THAT BOTTOM LINE. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BACK UP MY PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT HERE, AND PUT IT INTO A BOTTOM LINE RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU SEE $5.7 MILLION IN THAT POWERPOINT. THAT'S WHERE ALL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT COSTS ARE. SO INCLUDING THE 3.6 MILLION DOLLAR
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE POLICE SPENT. SO THAT'S WHY THIS REPORT IS SHOWING A 17 MILLION DOLLAR >> I SEE SO THAT'S -- I'M CONNECTING THESE TWO THGS. IN LOOKING AT EXPENSES BY DEPARTMENT, IT APPEARS THAT
MILLION DOLLAR LARGEST OVERAGES WERE AS EXPECTED: STAFFING, LARGER THAN EXPECTED CSO AND ACADEMY CLASSES AND POLICE FORM WHICH IS WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKING ABOUT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT STANDS OUT TO YOU?
>> THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. WE ARE IN AGREEMENT. >> YEAH. THANK YOU ALSO FOR HIGHLIGHTING FIRES OVERRAJ AS -- OVERAGE AS COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE
MENTIONED. FE IS USUALLY ABOUT 5 MILLION DOLLARS OVERBUDGET FOR STAFFING AND IS 6.8 MILLION OVER THIS YEAR. DO WE KNOW THE SOURCE OF THIS HIGHER THAN NORMAL AMOUNT? JUST INCREASED WAGESES AND COST OF LIVING OR IS IT OTHER EXPENSES?
LIVING OR IS IT OTHER EXPENSES? >> I FEEL LIKE THAT QUESTION IT WOULD BE BEST FROM COMING FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ITSELF. >> SURE. >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, COMMITTEE MY NAME IS LUKE. I'M THE FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THAT OVERAGE DOES COME FROM STAFFING AND OVERTIME BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN OTHER SUSPECTS IN THE DEPARTMENT COST SUCH AS REALLY NONDISCRETIONARY
ITEMS SUCH AS UTILITIES. OUR FIRESTORE'S BUDGET WHICH PROVIDES ALL THE SUPPLIES TO OUR STATIONS. WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR LINEN AND LAUNDRY. EVEN OUR EQUIPMENT BUDGET IS QUITE LIGHT.
SO EVEN THOSE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WAS 800,000 TO A MILLION OVERBUDGET AS WELL THAT IS ON TOP OF SFFING. >> UH-HUH. >> AND I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T -- I WANTED TO ADD THAT PART O PART OF OUR STAFFING
OVERAGE WE DO GET A REIMBURSEMENT FROM FOR PTSD. THAT AMOUNT DOES NOT GET REFLECTED IN OUR EXPENSE BUDGET. IT GETS REFLECTED IN REVENUE. BUT IT'SEALLY A DIRECT REIMBURSEMENT OFF OF THE WAGES FOMEMBERS WHO ARE OUT ON PTSD.
LAST YEAR IT WAS $600,000 SO WHILE WE'RE -- WHILE WE'RE 6.7 OR 6.8 MILLION OVER, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BRINGING THAT NUMBER CLOSER TO 6 MILLION SO WE COME A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE. >> YEAH, AND THEN, MR. LUKE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHILE YOU
HAVE A FIREFIGHTER OUT ON PTSD, THAT'S -- THAT'S NOT A HIRABLE POSITION THEY'RE STILL OCCUPYING THAT SEAT, THAT FTA SLIGHT -- FTE SLOT ON OUR BOOKS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY END UP COMING BACK TO THE
DEPARTMENT OR SEPARATING, THAT ENDS UP WITH A RESOURCE GAP BETWEEN THE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN STAFF OR NOT? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, YOU ARE CORRECT. WHILE THAT PERSON IS OUT ON PTSD, WHICH IS AN
EXTENDED LEAVE OF 24 WEEKS THAT CONTINUES TO BE AN FTE IN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT WE CAN'T REPLACE AND THEN GENERALLY WE'RE ALSO PAYING BACKFILL FOR OVERTIME FOR SOMEE WHO'S FILLING THAT POSITION ON THE ROSTER. >> UH-HUH, UH-HUH. YEAH. THANK
YOU. THAT HIGHLIGHTS A DIFFERENT ISSUE BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TOE BRING INTO THIS CONVERSATION. ANOTHER QUESTION HAVE AND THIS IS PROBABLY BACK TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OR MAYBE DIRECTOR SEXTON, IS THE PUBLIC
WORKS OVERRAJ IN PUBLIC WORKS SEEMS HIGHEST IN TMR TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT AND REPAIR AND TRAFFICKING AND PARKING. AGE IN PUBLIC WORKS SEEMS HIGHEST IN TMR TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT AND REPAIR AND TRAFFICKING AND PARKING. IS THAT UNEXPECTED
SNOW MIN SNOW EVENTS AND ALSO STREETLIGHTS AND I THINK THIS IS STREETLIGHTS AND SNOW BUT CAN YOU OFFER SOME COMMENTARY ON IT? >> MY NAME IS TIM SEXTON PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WE HAD ABOUT 96% OF OUR OVERAGE WAS RELATED TO COPPER WIRE THEFT
REPAIR WHICH I THINK WE ALL HAD A CONVERSATION TOGETHER ABOUT THE PLANNED POTENTIAL TO GO AROUND OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT. THE SECOND PIECE WAS DIRECTLY RESPONDING TO SNOW EVENTS MORE PARTICULARLY SNOW EVENTS IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR WHICH IS WHY THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MORE
NOTICE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO GO OVER. WE HAD JUST FOR REFERENCE, IN 2025, DECEMBER, WE HAD THREE SNOW EVENTS IN IT DECEMBER. FOR REFERENCE THAT'S
THE MOST SNOW EVENTS WE'VE HAD IN A DECEMBER SINCE AT LEAST 2009, IF NOT EARLIER. SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO PLAN FOR THAT AND I THINK RESPONSIBLE BUDGETING MEANS WE PLAN FOR ONE SNOW EVENT A MONTH IN THE WINTER
BUT WE RECOGNIZED AS A CITY THAT WE STILL NEED TO DO THAT WORK BUT IN THIS CASE, YEAH, WE HAD A HEAVY WINTER -- OR EXCUSE ME, DECEMBER SNOW. AND THAT EXPLAINING THE APPROXIMATELY 1. -- EXPLAINS THE APPROXIMATELY 1.1 IN TMR. >> THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE THANK YOU. MY LAST QUESTION IS VERY
GENERAL AND MORE FINANCY. WHEN I READ THIS AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE IT FEELS LIKE OUR SPECIAL OUR INTERNAL AND OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE ALL IN PRETTY GOOD OR GOOD CONDITIONS BUT IT'S OUR GENERAL FUND THAT
IS HURTING THAT WE NEED TO BE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. WE NEED $7.4 MILLION BUFFER OVER THAT. IS THIS ALSO YOUR SORT OF GENERAL THUMBNAIL SENSE OF OUR FINANCES?
>> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, YES, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF IT. AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, IT'S KIND OF A TALE OF TWO CITIES NONGENERAL FUND I THINK IS DOING JUST FINE. GENERAL FUND, YOU
KNOW, DOES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, NEXT I WILL RECOGNIZE COUN
COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON. >> THANK YOU. SO MUCH TO GO OVER HERE SO I THINK I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS I GET MY BEARING OF THIS. I SEE IN HERE -- I PULLED OUT THE PARKING FUND IN PARTICULAR BUT I WAS HOPING TO GET A LITTLE MORE EDUCATION FROM YOU ON THOSE
DIFFERENT SPECIAL FUNDS. THE PARKING FUND IN PARTICULAR, HAS 194 MILLION DOLLARS IN IT. WHAT IS THAT FOR? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMB STEVESON? >> THE PARKING FUND --
>> USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. >> CASH IS 11.2. >> YEAH, YEAH. OH, EXCUSE ME, THANK YOU. CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, YEAH, AS DEPUTY CONTROLLER LEAHY MENTIONED CASH WISE IT'S GOT $11
MILLION. THE NET POSITION IS QUITE A BIT BETTER BECAUSE IT'S AN ASSET INTENSIVE BUSINESS THAT IT OWNS A LOT OF PARKING RAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SO THE UNDERAPPRECIATED AMOUNT IS RECORDED AS A NET ASSET TO THE CITY. SO IT'S TIED UP IN INFRASTRUCTURE, YEAH, YEAH. >> OKAY. OKAY. SO THEN THAT'S
THE SAME WITH SEWER AND STORM WATER -- THESE ARE PHYSICAL ASSETS AND THAT'S WHY THESE FUNDS NUMBERS ARE SO HIGH? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH, CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, THAT CLEARS UP A LOT. SECONDLY, I JUST -- YOU SAID IT QUICKLY. I JUST WANTED
TO DOUBLE-CHECK. DID YOU SAY MPD IS ON TRACK TO BE $24 MILLION OVERBUDGET THIS YEAR? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, YEAH, AS OF EARLY IN APRIL, THAT'S OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF THE FORECAST FOR 2026.
>> OKAY. I'M MARKING THAT DOWN. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION FOR FIRE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD COME BACK UP. THANK YOU. WHAT PERCENT OF EMPLOYEES ARE OUT ON
PTSD AND IS IT ABNORMALLY HIGH? CONSISTENT YEARLY? WHAT'S THE SITUATION THERE? >> SO, MADAM CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, CURRENTLY -- I BELIEVE WE HAVE BETWEEN 25 AND 30 MEMBERS OUT ON PTSD LEAVE. THAT WOULD
CONSTITUTE ABOUT 8% OF THE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE 434 AUTHORIZED SWORN. AND THAT NUMBER HAS STAYED PRETTY STEADY, CONSISTENT OVER I WOULD SAY THE
PAST, YOU KNOW, 6 TO 9 MONTHS BUT IT HAS SHOWN AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE OVER TIME. IT BECAME -- IT BECAME QUITE PREVALENT IN 2025 AND HAS STAYED THERE IN 2026. IT CERTAINLY HASN'T SHOWN AN INDICATION OF DECREASING AT THIS POINT.
>> OKAY, WHAT IS HARD TO FIND A TYPICAL YEAR IN THE PAST, IN THE RECENT PAST, BUT, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, YEAR WHAT PERCENT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE OUT ON PTSD LEAVE? >> SO I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WHO IS HERE JUST 'CAUSE I CAN'T SPEAK AS WELL TO
THE LEGISLATION OF IT SO I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO HIM FOR THAT QUESTION. >> CHIEF IF YOU'LL FIRST BEGIN WITH INTRODUCING YOURSELF. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMB STEVENSON I'M WES VAN BICK. COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT YOUR QUESTION.
>> YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS -- IT WAS SAID THERE WAS ABOUT 8% OF EMPLOYEES WHO WERE OUT ON PTSD LEAVE RIGHT NOW, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT NORMAL LIKE YEAR-TO-YEAR IS 8% NORMAL OR WHAT MIGHT, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, NORMAL BE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER CHUGHTAI, CHAIR STEVENSON OUR -- OR CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND COUNL MEMBER STEVENSON, THIS IS A FAIRLY NEW PROGRAM SO IT'S HARD TO MAKE COMPARISONS. WE DIDN'T HAVE PTSD LEAVE UNTIL 2 YEARS' AGO AND SINCE THEN, IT
HAS STAYED FAIRLY CONSISTENT. I WILL SAY I THINK SOME OF THE DRIVERS HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE MAJOR EVENTS THAT WE'VE EN, LIKE, ENUNCIATION, OPERATION METRO SURGE. WE SEEM TO HAVE SPIKES DURING THOSE EVENTS. O
ON A REGULAR BASIS, I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP TRACK IN THE FUTURE 'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO COMPARISON FOR IT YET 'CAUSE IT'S SO NEW. >> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU. >> BEFORE CHIEF VAN BICKLE, BEFORE YOU GO BACK, JUST AS A
FOLLOW-UP, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU NOTE THE CHANGES TO -- TO STATE LAW THAT RESULTED IN -- IN THE WAY THAT WE ACCOUNT F PTSD LEAVE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THAT. HOW DID YOU
ACCOUNT FOR OFFICERS THAT WERE IN SIMILAR CONTIONS THAT WERE LEAVING THE DEPARTMENT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, I BELIEVE THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANYTHING. MENTAL HEALTH WAS NOT CONSIDERED INJURY ON DUTY SO
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS RECENT FOR US WHERE A MENTAL HEALTH ON DU IS A NEW ONE. >> I'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING.
>> THIS IS NOT A QUESTION FOR FIRE SO FEEL FREE TO SIT DOWN. (LAUGH.) >> PARTICULARLY IT RELATES TO KIND OF THESE GENERAL FUND BANCE DETAILS HERE AND KIND OF JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING HERE. SINCE I'M NEW, I KNOW THIS TARGET OF 17%
IS THE MINIMUM KIND OF IS REQUIRED. A LITTLE MORE CONTENT IS REQUIRED -- LIKE WHAT IS THAT 17% KIND OF LISTED THERE? SO MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> YEAH, SURE, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING, YEAH,
THAT AMOUNT -- THE 109 MILLION IT A CALCULATION OF FUND BALANCE AND THERE'S SOME OTHER INGS THAT GOES INTO OUR MATERIAL SERVICE FUND AND IT'S SET BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL POLICIES SO WHY DO WE HAVE A BALANCE LIKE TH?
GENERALLY -- GENERALLY IT'S REALLY A CASH FLOW -- PART OF IT IS CASH FLOW FOR AN EXAMPLE WE WOULD PROBABLY GET TO A NEGATIV CASH BALANCE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. NOT A HUGE ONE BUT -- SO
LIKE THE CASH COMES IN MULTIPLE TIMES AND PROPERTY TAX ONE TIME AEAR AND WE GET PROPERTY CASH AND IT GOES UP THAT'S ONE OF THE ASONS IT HELPS THE CITY FROM PAYING INTEREST AND A LOT OF AREAS YOU'LL WANT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF WEEKS OR MONTHS TO BE
ABLE TO OPERATE IN RESERVE 'CAUSE YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, METRO SURGES WHICH ARE HARD TO CONTROL. >> THANK YOU, AND SO IT'S SOUNDING -- LIKE IFE'RE UNDER THAT PIECE IS THERE ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCE OR SOMETHING FOR BEING UNDER OR
THAT KIND OF AT 14% I GUESS THAT'S KD OF THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE. >> YEAH, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEER WHITING, THERE'S NO DIRECT CONSEQUENCE. IT DOES PUT THE CITY A LITTLE MORE RISKY CERTAINLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
CREDIT RATINGS BEFORE. I GUESS THE BIGGEST CONSEQUENCE IS US IN THE FINANCE OFFICE. WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WCAN AUTHORIZE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SPENDING BELOW THE AMOUNT THAT THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, HAS APPROVED. THAT PLAYED A HUGE ROLE IN OUR DECISION, YOU KNOW, NOT TO ROLL OVER BUDGETS
WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A FEW MINUTES IN '25 TO '26 WHERE IF WE APPROVED THIS WE WOULD BE VIOLATING COUNCIL POLICY. THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONSEQUENCE IS KIND OF ON OUR END TOO. BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S CONSEQUENCES
WE WON'T GET AS MUCH INTEREST REVENUE AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE AS BIG OF A BALANCE. >> AND THE LAST PIECE OF IT I KNOW YOUROUGHT IT UP BRIEFLY BUT AS IT RELATES TO KIND OF OUR CREDIT RATING DOES THIS GO INTO THE KIND OF CALCULATION TO OUR CREDIT RATING AND WHAT THE -- KIND OF WHAT WOULD BE ISSUED BY
THE SPECIFICUREAU? >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHUGHTAI -- I MEAN, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, UNCIL MEMBER WHITING, I THINK -- I'M NOT CERTAINLY NOT AN EXPERT AND I WOULD DEF TO OTHER PEOPLE. I WOULD SAY THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT GO IN THE CREDIT RATING THAT'S ONE OF MANY. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T AS
CONTROLLABLE BY US SUCH AS THE PROPERTY TAX BASE, GENERAL ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE TWIN CITIES, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT SO THERE'S REALLY A WIDE RANGE BUT IT'S MAINLY BEING MANAGED BY THE BANKING AND DEBT AREA. >> THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. HANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND JUST TO
REITERATE HISTORICALLY THE -- THE PRIMARY CAUTION THAT FINANCIAL WILL BRING -- FINANCE WILL BRING TO US WHEN ANY ADJUSTMENTS ARE BEING MADE TO PLANNED USE FUND BALANCE IS THE -- IS THE NEGATIVE IMPACT IT CAN HAVE IN OUR -- ON OUR CREDIT
RATING AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT IMPACT THAT CAN HAVE ON OUR ABILITY -- TO MAKE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS AND MANAGE DEBT FOR OUR INSTITUTION. I'LL COME BACK TO
COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON NEXT. >> SORRY. ONE MORE LINE OF QUESTIONING. FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THE THINGS I REFERENCED EARLIER, THE ASSETSHAT WERE -- THAT WERE -- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE
SOMEWHER BROKEN OUT THE FUTURE MAINTENANCE LIBRARY OF THE THESE DIFFERENT ASSETS? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON I DO BELIEVE PUBLIC WORKS HAS SOME WORK IN THAT. I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE DEPARTMENT EXACTLY TO GET
AN EXACT LIST BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE LIABILITIES AND THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR -- THEY DO WHAT'S CALLED PRO FORMAS WHERE THEY FORECAST OUT A NUMBER OF YEARS, REVEAL WHAT THE RATES WOULD BE AND IN THEIR -- CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, MAJOR PROJECTS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PRO FORMA FOR ACCUMULATING CASH, FOR EXAMPLE, TO DO A MAJOR PROJECT OR TO PAY BACK DEBT SERVICE OR THINGS LIKE THAT >>. >> OKAY. SO THAT BUDGETIN WOULD THAT FALL UNDER PUBLIC WORKS' BUDGET THEN? >> YEAH YEAH, THAT WOULD BE PART
OF THE PUBLIC WORKS' PROJECT AREA. >> WONDERFUL. AND THEN I'LL END WITH A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I THIN -- SO JUST LOOKING AT
SLIDE 7 WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DECREASE TO FUND'S NET POSITION AND THE GENERAL FUNDS CASH POSITN. AND THE -- BOTH TO THE 58.3 MILLION DECREASE IN
THE CASH POSITION AND THE 68.6 FOR THE FUNDS, CAN YOU -- CAN YOU POINT OUT WHAT OF THAT DECREASE WAS A PLANNED USE?
>> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. SO FOR PLANNED USE, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH A PLANNED USE FUND IN 2025 OF APOXIMATELY $24 MILLION. THEN THERE WAS AN APPROVED ROLLOVER OF ABOUT 42 MILLION DOLLARS, SUMMING THOSE UP YOU GET ABOUT A
$66 MILLION PLANNED USE OF FUND BALANCE IN 2025. SO THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DECASE OF 68 MILLION AND ADMITTEDLY, THAT DECREASE WAS CLOSE TO THE PLANNED USE. THE DIFFERENCE THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, THOUGH, IS THAT THAT PLANNED USE OF FUND
INVOLVED MAYBE OTHER DEPARTMENTS FILLING OTHER CERTAIN ROLES OR CERTAIN OTHER SPENDING BUT WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS BECAUSE OF PUBLIC SAFETY OVER SPEND, CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS MIGHT NOT SPENT FOR THE PROJECTS THEY WERE
THINKING AND ROLL OVER TO 2026 BUT CAN'T BECAUSE THAT MONEY WAS SPENT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >> THAT ABSOLUTELY ANSWERS THE QUESTION. AND THEN I KNOW THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT PLANS OUT THE USE OF THE FUND BALANCE FOR --
INTO FUTURE YEARS INCLUDING FOR BALANCING THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT'S PRESENTED IN AUGUST. HOW HAS THIS -- THIS SIGNICANT INCREASE TO THE USE OF PLANNED
BALANCE IMPACTING THE PROJECTION OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO USE FOR FUTURE YEARS INCLUDING IN THE PLANNING OF THE 2027 RECOMNDED BUDGET? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I
THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND ANY USE OF THE FUND BALANCE IN THE COMING BUDGET CYCLE. >> THANK YOU. THAT COMPLETES THE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
I'LL SEE IF COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY FINAL THOUGHTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET IN Q4? I'M SEEING ANY, I WILL DIRECT THE CLERK TO FILE THIS -- NOPE, SO SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI I
DID WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THIS CORRECTLY. YOU MENTIONED FOR THE UNDERCOLLECTION IN FRANCHISE FEES, THAT WAS THE RESULT OF EXPENSES TIED TO THAT EXCEEDING THE REVENUES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT RIGHT. >> FOR FRANCHISE FEES? >> YES. >> SO FOR FRANCHISE FEES, WE
WERE $3 MILLION UNDERBUDGET ON THE REVENUE WE COLLECTED. BUT WE DID SEE YEAR-OVER-YEAR GROWTH IN FRANCHISE FEES FROM '24 TO '25. IT'S JUST THE BUDGET INCREASED AT A RATE HIGHER THAN THE GROWTH. WHEN IT COMES TO THE REVENUE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, IT IS
ACTUALLY CHARGES, SERVICE CHARGES, THAT PUBLIC WORKS WOULD CHARGE INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL CLIENTS FOR WORK THAT THEY DO AND WE WOULD COLLECT ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THAT BUT COLLECTING THAT REVENUE INCURS ADDITIONAL SALARY EXPENSES SO YOU'LL SEE
THAT THEIR EXPENSES WENT HIGHER OVERBUDGET AS WELL AS THE REVENUE GOING HAND-IN-HAND. >> SO I'M TNKING HEALTH INSUSTAINABILITY -- OH, SORRY, SORRY. I MENTIONED FRANCHISE ES, NEVER MIND. SO PUBLIC WORKS. OKAY. SO I THOUGHT WE APPROVED AN INCREASE IN THOSE
FEES FOR LAST YEAR SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT WE UNDERCOLLECTED IT SOUNDS LIKE. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, WHILE THE FRANCHISE RATES HAVE INCREASED DUE TO THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE UTILITIES, SO THE
FRANCHISE FEES ARE HIGHLY VARIABLE AS A REVENUE SOURCE SO IF IT'S A WARM WINTER, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT AS MUCH IN IT FRANCHISE FEES. SO AS PEOPLE'S BILLS ARE LOWER, FOR ELECTRICITY AND NATURAL GAS WE WILL NOT SCENES
REVENUE THAT WEERE MEANT TO BE SEGMENTS A PORTION OF WHICH FOR THE CLIMATE WORK. SO IT IS TRUE THAT THE COUNCIL VOTED ON ANOTHER INCREASE TO FRANCHISE FEES IN DECEMBER. WE WILL NOT KNOW FOR THIS BUDGETING CYCLE IF THAT PANS OUT AS, YOU KNOW -- AS WAS FORECAST.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. >> THANKS. >> WONDERFUL. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO FILE THIS REPORT. AND WE ARE NOW READY TO MOVE TO ITEM NO. 3 ON OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA, WHICH
IS THE ROLLOVER OF UNSPENT 2025 APPROPRIATION. MR. HARDGROVE, I WILL WELCOME YOU TO BEGIN THIS PRESENTATION. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. >> YEAH, THANK YOU, CHAIR
CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBERS. YEAH, THIS IS THE SECOND PRESENTATION WE HAVE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT OUR ROLLOVER PROCESS AND THE RESOLUTION TO ROLLOVER BUDGETS FROM 2025 TO 2026.
SO AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE ROLLOVER PROCESS -- LIKE WHAT IS A ROLLOVER IT'S LIKE MOVING LEFTOVER BUDGETS INTO THE NEXT YEAR TO COMPLETE THE WORK FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SIMPLE EXPLANATION OF WHAT A ROLLOVER IS. YOU CAN SEE THE COUNCIL
ADDRESSED IT IN SECTION 4.13.10 AND I WON'T READ THE EXPLANATION WHAT IT SAYS IN IT BUT THAT'S BASICALLY THE AUTHORIZING LANGUAGE AND IT'S - THE PROCESS IS ADMINISTERED BY THE FINANCE
MINISTER HERE AT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE OF A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ROLLOVER FORMAT THAN WE'VE HAD BEFORE. BUT BACKING OFF A LITTLE BIT, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR FIRST PRESENTATION, THIS YEAR THE FINANCE OFFICE DECIDED TO LIMIT
IT TO JUST PUBLIC SAFETY AID IN THE NONGENERAL FUN AND, AGAIN, THERE'S REALLY TWO PRIMARY REASONS FOR IT 1 WE WERE ONLY MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE TARGET. LIKE LAST YEAR WE ROLLED OVER ABOUT $42 MILLION IN GENERAL FUNDS SO -- IF WE HAD DONE
ANYTHING LIKE THE YEAR BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY UNDEUDGET SO THAT -- THAT -- THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN FAOR. AND THEN THE OTHER FACTOR WAS JUST OUR PROJECTIONS OF HOW THE PUBLIC SAFETY AREA WAS TURNING OUT SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS
PRUDENT FOR THE CITY TO NOT ROLL OVER THE GENERAL BALANCE. THREE SECTIONS, SECTION 1 IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY AID THAT TECHNICALLY IS IN THE GENER FUND BUT RESTRICTED. SECTION 2 IS ROLLOVERS MANDATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE POLICY SO THAT'S A NEW SECTION THIS YEAR AND THEN
SECTION 3 IS THE NONGENERAL FUND ROLLOVERS. SO JUST TO GO OVER THE PROCESS REAL BRIEFLY. AT THE E REQUEST TO THE DEPARTMENTS. WE ADVISED THEM THAT WE COULDN'T DO THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR BUT WE CAN DO THE NONGENERAL ND.
THEY WERE GIVEN UNTIL EARLY MARCH TO SUBMIT THEIR -- SUBMIT THEIR REQUESTS. WE DID ASK THEM TO SUBMIT ENCUMBRANCE DETAIL WHICH IS ANOTHER NAME FOR PURCHASE ORDERS SO THEY SUBMITTED THE PURCHASE ORDERS, WHICH ONES THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING TO BE ROLLED OVER,
SO OF THESE THINGS WERE IN THE PROJECT FORMAT SOMETIMES REQUESTED ROLVERS FOR A WHOLE PROJECT OR SO. SO IN MID-MARCH OR SO WE ASSESSED THE ROLLOVER REQUEST. WE LOOKED AT THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS TO MAKE SURE THEY STILL HAD BUDGET -- BUDGET REMAINING IN THEIR -- IN THEIR -- IN THEIR
BUDGET THAT WOULD COVER THE ROLLOVERS. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE FUND'S HEALTH WHICH IN THIS CASE WAS MOSTLY THE GENERAL FUND ALTHOUGH THERE WERE A FEW OTHERS THAT WE LOOKED AT AND THE GRANT FUNDS, CAPITAL FUNDS, THIS LIKE THAT ARE AUTOMATICALLY ROLLED OVER FROM YEAR-TO-YR
BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE MULTIYEAR PROJECTS. AND THEN LASTLY THE FOLLOWING HERE IS REALLY A SUMMARY BY DEPARTMENT WHAT WE'RE ROLLING OVER FOR THE YEAR. WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO ROLL OVER
FOR THE YEAR. YOU CAN THE PUBLIC SAFETY AID -- THE BULK OF IT IS IN NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY AND WE ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY SAFETY PILOTS IN FINANCE AND THAT PROBABLY ACCOUNTS FOR ALMOST $6 MILLION OR SO OF THE 7 MILLION -- 7.5 MILLION TOTAL AND
LESSER AMOUNTS IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THE COUNCIL MANDATED ROLLOVERS THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE RESOLUTIONS -- THE -- I SHOULD SAY THE RESOLUTIONS THAT STARTED WITH NOTWITHSTANDING WE FELT WE HAD TO INCLUDED IT
BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE GENERAL FUND RESOLUTIONS THAT'S MAINLY FOR THE CPED FOR THE HOUSING VOUCH TOURS FOR THE HOMELESS AND THAT WAS 5 MILLION AND THE NONGENERAL FUNDS WHICH IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO TH PAST
YEARS. IT'S $85 MILLION FOR CPED IN THEIR -- MAINLY THEIR SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. LESSER AMOUNTS ARE IT, MAINLY FOR SOME PRETTY BIG IT PROJECTS THEY HAVE AS WELL AS FLEET AS WELL TO
COVER PURCHASE ORDERS FOR VEHICLES AND REPLACE EQUIPMENT THESE ARE TIED TO THE DETAILS OF THE LACKS FOUNDATION I TRIED TO SPELL OUT ACRONYMS THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING WAS MENTIONED BUT, OTHERWISE, YEAH, ALL THE DETAILS ARE GENERALLY SORTED BY
DEPARTMENT HERE AND THEY'RE IN THE RESOLUTION ITSELF TOO. SO WITH THAT, THAT IT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON THE ROLLOVERS TODAY. I CERTAINLY COULD STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? IT WILL REQUIRE AN APPROVAL HERE AND JUST NOTING THE DISTINCTION HERE. I'LL COGNIZE
COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON? >> WHAT TRENDS DO YOU ANTICIPATE IN ROLLOVER FUNDS IN THE FUTURE? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, AS FAR AS THE TRENDS, I THINK IT'LL BE
A DIFFICULT YEAR TO ROLL OVER FUNDS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AS WELL, TOO. AFTER THAT IT REALLY KIND OF DEPENDS HOW THINGS FINISH THIS YEAR IF WE HAVE A LOT OF -- IF WE HAVE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS UNDER BUDGET AND IT LOOKS FAVORABLE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD CHANGE OR SO BUT I THINK
IT WILL REQUIRE SOME SORT OF REBUILD OF THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE BEFORE IT CAN GET BACK TO THAT. >> SO BASICALLY YOU DON'T EXPECT ROLLOVER FUNDS IN THE NEAR FUTURE? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. NOT FOR THE GENERAL FUND. NORTHEASTERN
GENERAL FUND I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGES. I DON'T O EXPECT ROLLING OVER ANY ITEMS IN THE GENERAL FUND. >> OKAY. YEAH, THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. I'MOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE IN QUEUE. I WILL MOVE APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM AND ASK FOR A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR
PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE AYES HAVE IT WILL MOVE FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION. NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO
ITEM NO. 4. AND THIS IS THE 2026 COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS. HOMELAND SECURITY THE FIRST OF TWO NEW PRESENTATIONS THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TODAY AS A RESULT OF CHANGES TO THE CITY'S FINANCIAL POLICIES. I
WILL INVITE DEPUTY CITY OPERATIONS OFFICER BRETT JELLY TO JOIN US AND BEGIN THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. >> IF I COULD ASK YOU TO PICK
WHICH MIC -- PERFECT, THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS BRETT JELLY CITY OPERATIONS DIRECTOR I'M ASKING TO RECEIVE AND INTRODUCE A REPORT OF026 COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS.
SO AS CKGROUND, THE COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS ARE AMENDMENTS TO THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND THEY'RE ADOPTED AS PART OF THE APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION FUND THEY'RE DEDICATED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES AND THEY'RE ALSO
REFERRED TO AS EARMARKS. THESE FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED AND MAY NOT BE EXPENDED OR REALLOCATED FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN THE PURPOSE SPECIFIED IN THE APPROPRIATION. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED WITHIN FINANCIAL POLICIES. THE ADMINISTRATION IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A WRIEN
UPDATE OR THESE FUNDS BY APRIL 30TH AND AUGUST 31st OF EACH YEAR. THE TABLE IN THIS SLIDE IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF ALL OF THE COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS FOR 2026 AND I WILL HAVE
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS LISTED IN THE CHART TO COME UP AND PRESENT AN UPDATE ON THEIR ITEMS.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MY I'M THE OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I HAVE TWO VERY BRIEF UPDATES. THE FIRST IS ON THE SOUTH -- PARDON ME, SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS UNDERSERVED
COMMUNITIES OPIOID RESPONSE IN THE AMOUNT OF $150,000. OUR INTENTION IS TO EXPAND THE PILOT PROJECT THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON IN THE CITY. IT'S A MEDICATION USED FOR OPIOID-USE DISORDER. O THE INTENTION IS
TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL MEDICATION FOR THAT PILOT FOR USE BY THE FQHCS IN THE CITY. THE SECOND UPDATE IS ON THE AUTISM AND WATER SAFETY PUBLIC HEALTH PROGRAM WHICH IS $25,000. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A
CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH AN EXISTING CONTRACTOR TO EXPAND THEIR SCOPE OF SERVICES TO INCLUDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO JUST TO PROVIDAN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE'LL CONDUCT DISCUSSION FOR THIS
ITEM, AS DEPUTY COO JELLY OUTLINED, HE WILL GO THROUGH -- WE WILL GO THROUGH BY DEPARTMENT, EACH DEPARTMENT'S UPDATES AS IT RELATES TO THIS REPORT. WE'LL TAKE UP
DISCUSSION SO THAT STAFF FROM EACH DEPARTMENT CAN -- CAN COME IN AND OUT OF THE CHAMBERS AND WE CAN STAY ON TRACK WITH DISCUSSION HERE. SO ON THE TWO ITEMS THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT JUST PRESENTED, SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS
UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES OPIOID RESPONSE AND THE AUTISM AND WATER SAFETY PUBLIC HEALTH PROGRA ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE? I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT OSMAN? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER HERE.
THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS THAT I REALLY CARE ABOUT. AND I AUTHORED THE AMENDMENT TO BRING THIS FORWARD. THIS WAS MEANT ADDRESS THE OPIOID CRISIS IN THAT AREA. WITH A LOT OF FOLKS
THAT ARE DEALING WITH A LOT OF ADDICTIONS ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH CENTRAL MINNEAPOLIS, IN THE NATIVE AMERICAN AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PRESARI PROGRAM THAT
HAS BEEN GREAT HAVG A MEDICATION THAT WILL GET OFF PEOPLE ADDICTION. I DO WANT TO SEE A DATA HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE HELPED. I KNOW THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN -- HAS BEEN -- HAS BEEN
UNDERWORK FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, MAYBE 2.5 YEARS SO I DO WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, NOT TODAY BUT IN THE FUTURE WHAT THE OUTCOME IS AND IF IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO FUND. SO I DO WELCOME THAT.
AND ALSO THE WATER SAFETY. THIS WAS MAINLY ONE COMMUNI WHO CONTINUED TO SUFFER YOUNG KIDS WITH AUTISM THAT ARE DROWNING IN WATER. EVERY SUMME WE SEE IT ESPECIALLY EAST
AFRICAN COMMUNITY WHO A LOT OF YOUNG -- THE EDUCATION AND AWARENESS ON WHAT'S THE TEST AROUND THAT? I HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH THE HEALTH DEPAMENT TO KIND OF ADDRESS AND WAS KIND OF NEW TO THE
HEALTH DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY T KIND OF LEARN -- MEET THE EXPERTISE AND UNDERSTAN WHAT IS CAUSING THIS AND HOW DO WE AS A CITY MAKE -- BE HELPFUL TO THAT SO I'M A LITTLE BIT WONDERING --
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HAVE EXTENDED THEIR CONTRACT HOW MUCH SHOULD THEY HAVE IN THIS FIELD AND ESPECIALLY THE WAT SAFETY WITH KIDS IN THE LAST 5, 6 YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN DYING IN THE WATER.
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR COUNCIL MEMBER MAN I WOULD DEFER THE DETAILS OF OUR PROJECT TO OUR DEPUTY COMMISSIONER HEIDI WHO IS OUT OF THE OFFICE ILL TODAY. >> OH, NO PROBLEM. >> BUT I CAN HAVE HER FOLLOW UP DIRECTLY WITH YOU. >> WONDERFUL, DEPUTY. SHE'S
WONDERFUL. SHE KNOWS THIS PROGRAM VERY WELL SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND PRESENTING. I'M EXCITED THE RFP ASKING ALONG WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW AS WE CONTINUE TO THE
CPED SECTION, DEPUTY COO JELLY IF YOU'LL COME BACK JUST REALLY BRIEFLY. ENGINEERING AS -- AS A LEVEL-SET, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH A REPORT LIKE THIS, AND A NEW CHANGE TO
FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT THIS IS RESPONSIVE TO. IF WE DON'T SEE A COUNCIL-DEDICATED FUND ITEM ON THE LIST O ITEMS THAT YOU'LL BE
PRESENTING, WHAT -- WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN THERE ARE NO ANTICIPATED CHANGESO THAT ITEM? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND I WASOING BACK TO GRAB MY FINANCIAL
POLICIES. SO THERE ARE -- I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS SO THIS IS VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS THE EARMARKS AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE BUDGET BOOK UNDER EACH DEPARTMENT YOU WILL SEE EH ONE OF THESE CALLED OUT SO THAT
SHOULD TIE THIS LIST OF 13 ITEMS -- WILL TIE DIRECTLY TO WHAT'S LISTED AS CNCIL DEDICATED SPENDING IN THE BUDGET BOOK. THERE WERE SOME OTHER COUNCIL AMEMENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME DIFFERENT SOURCES AND MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'LL B INCLUDED IN THE MID-YEAR BUDGET
UPDATE, A STATUS UPDATE ON THOSE ITEMS. >> GOTCHA, THANK YOU. WE'RE READY TO CONTINUE. >> INTRODUCE CPED. >> I'M SO SORRY. I SKIPPED -- I SKIPPED OVER COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ FOR T HEALTH DEPARTMENT. GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER.
>> THANK YOU -- WELL, I JUST WANT -- I FL LIKE WE NEED TO RESET A LITTLE BIT, CHAIR. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER. ONE, IT IS ABOUT COUNCIL COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS.
THERE'S A SPECIFIC BRACKET IN THE BUDGET OF COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS. I'M NOT SEEING IT THAT A LOT OF US AUTHORED LAST YEAR AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE THOSE AT A WHAT IS HAPPENING, A STATUS UPDATE. I THINK WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS IF
THEY'RE NOT ON HERE IT MEANS THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THEM BUT WHAT I HEARD WAS THE OPPOSITE. THAT THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MID-YEAR THING. SO NOW IT I HAVE CONCERN THAT A LOT OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS, I'M THINKING OF 33 THRIVE AND MANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT I HAVE I WANT TO
HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I GUESS I NEED CLARIFICATION IS THIS JUST ONE PART OF THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE GOING OVER FROM LAST YEAR THAT'S JUST COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS AND THEN IN THE SUMMER WE'RE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE OTHER BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT WE AUTHORED SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION HERE. >> YES, I'LL START WITH SAYING
COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS AND EARMARKS ARE THE SAME THING SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL DEDICATED FUNDS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL INITIATED BUDGET AMENDMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST EARMARKS INITIATED BY THE COUNCIL, AND SO EVERY AUGUST WE RECEIVE THE -- LIKE
THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT WALKS THROUGH EVERY SINGLE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THE STATUS UPDATE AS TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT AMENDMENT. THAT I THINK IS THE DISTINCTION STAFF TRYING TO LAY OUT HERE. THAT THESE ARE JUST COUNCIL INITIATED EARMARKS.
>> SO JUST EARMARKS NOT OTHER BUDGET AMENDMENTS? >> EXACTLY RIGHT. >>, OKAY. THANK YOU. >> DIRECTOR HANSON? I THINK WE'RE READY FOR YOU.
>> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, MBERS OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE MY NAME IS ERIC HANSON I RUN THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND I'M HERE TO UPDATE ON FIVE ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM IS A $50,000 INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC HOUSING
TENANT ORGANIZING. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. THIS IS THROUGH THE MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY'S HIGH-RISE COUNCIL. AND WE HOPE TO HAVE CONTRACT THROUGH THE COUNCIL LATER THIS MONTH. THE SECOND ONE IS TINY HOMES BIG DREAMS PROGRAM. THIS
IS -- THIS IS A $15,000 OF CPED-DIRECTED FUNDING. THIS DID NOT COME WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDS BUT WE WORKED WITH THE AUTHOR WITH THISMENDMENT COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ TO DO SOME INVESTIGATION OF HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO TINY HOMES IN THE CITY. WE HAVE A STAFF WORK TEAM
THAT IS STARTING TO PUT TOGETHER THE SCOPING FOR THAT PHASE. THE THIRD ITEM ON OUR LIST IS EMERGENCY SHELTER OPERATION FUNDING. WE ARE WORKING -- THIS IS SOMETHING WE WERE DOING WITH -- IT'S A PROGRAM WE'RE DOING WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY WE'RE WORKING OUT THE CONTRACT AND
WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT CONTRACT TO THE COUNCIL SOMETIME IN MAY, WHICH IS PROBABLY LOOKING MORE LIKE JUNE CONSIDERING THE TIMELINE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. THE LAST TWO -- WE HAVE A
COMMERCIAL ADAPTIVE REUSE STUDY OF $125,000. IT'S TO HELP US WHAT'S THE IMPEDIMENT AND BARRIERS TO BUILDING CONVERSIONS WITHIN DOWNTOWN HIGH-RISES. I LL BE VERY DIRECT. WE ARE
TAKING -- WE ARE WORKING WITH EXISTING RESOURCES TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO COME TO SOME INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN DOING, SOME RESEARCH THROUGH THE LAST 3 YEAR WITH OUR TEAM WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN, WHAT, WE ARE SEEING IN
MINNEAPOLIS AND BIASED WHAT YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT THE ROLLOVER AND THE BUDGET SITUATION WE'RE GOING TO BE USING EXISTING RESOURCES TO MEET THE PURPOSE OF THIS DIRECTED -- THIS COUNCIL DIRECTION. AND THE SECOND ONE -- OR THE NEXT ONE IS INVEST IN
CHILDCARE WORKERS IT'S THE CREATION OF AN FTE BUT. IT'S T FTE. WE HAD AN CONTRACT WITH THE YWCA TO DO THIS WORK.
HOPEFULLY, I SAID W INSTEAD OF THE M. I THINK IT'S W. IT'S ONE OF THE YES DOING THE CONTRACT WORK FOR US. WE ARE USING EXISTING FTE RESOURCES WITHIN OUR EMPLOYMENT AND TRAINING GROUP. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PERSON WHO WIL
SHE SAID HERD PEOPLE IN TO THIS CAREER TRACK AND SO 'LL BE USING EXISTING FTES IN THAT -- TO MEET THAT PURPOSE. AND THAT'S IT FOR ME. IYOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO
ANSWER THEM. >> WONDERFUL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CPED HE? I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I'M ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO ITEM NO. 7 THAT'S CHILDCARE
WORKERS 1. AS YOU MENTIONED RECENTLY THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT WAS AN EARMARK TO CREATE AN FTE POSITION FOR THIS SPECIFIC SECTOR AND, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT
NECESSARILY IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF YOU ESSENTIALLY STILL USING YOUR EXISTING RESOURCES THROUGH THE YMCA CONTRACT TO FULFILL THIS BUT WHERE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED IS I STILL THOUGHT UNDER THIS FINANCIAL POLICY EVEN
THIS PROPOSAL WILL REQUIRE A COUNCIL VOTE 'CAUSE IT WAS AN EARMARK. THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT BEING ENACTED IN ITS INTENT SO I'M TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION HOW THAT DOESN'T FALL AS A COUNCIL CHANGE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER -- OR CHAIR
CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, SO THIS ONE WAS UNIQUE AS IF IT WAS A DIRECTION TO USE EXISTING CPED RESOURCES. IT DID NOT- THE OTHER -- THE FIRST THREE WE HAD, HAD HAD -- ACTUALLY, 3 OF THE 4 -- 3 OF THE
5 OF THESE TNGS HAD FUNDING. THE TINY HOMES BIG DREAMS ONE WAS -- WAS A DIRECTION TO USE EXISTING RESOURCES. SAME WITH THIS FTE WAS A DIRECTION TO USE EXISTING RESOURCES. I WOULD DIRECTOR TO DEPUTY
COO JELLY ABOUT THE POLICY BUT WE'RE WTING TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE WILL GET -- WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE PURPOSE OF THE INTENT TO GET HERE WITHOUT HAVING TO FIND ADDITIONAL MONEY TO FUND A NEW FTE AND FILL IT.
WE'LL FILL IT WITH AN FTE THAT IS WITHIN -- THAT IS WORKING ON EMPLOYMENT AND TRAINING PROGRAMS RIGHT NOW. SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IF COUNCIL NEEDS TO ACT. I WOULD DEFER TO MY FRIEND DEPUTY COO. >> YEAH, 'CAUSE I'M ALSO LOOKING
FOR THE ACTUAL BUDGET LANGUAGE. I'VE NEVER SEEN A DIRECTIVE TO USE EXISTING FUNDING I THINK THAT'S A EARMARK. SOARMARK WITHIN YOUR EXISTING BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO FINDING A FUNDING SOURCE FOR AN ADDITIONAL DIRECTIVE I THINK WE DID THAT AS
AN EARMARK SO USING AN EARMARK USING EXISTING RESOURCES, YOU'RE PROPOSING NOT USING IT IN ITS ORIGINAL INTENT, YEAH, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION AROUND DEPUTY JELLY HOW DOES THIS NOT FALL UNDER THE SCOPE OF THE
FINANCIAL POLICY THEN? >> CIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, I THINK -- MY REGULATION ON THIS
ONE AS WE LOOKED AT THE POLICY IT TALKS ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT AND I THINK AS WE ARE EMBARKING ON THIS REPORTING IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TOPIC TO SIT DOWN WITH COMMITTEE LEADERSHIP
AND FINANCE AND REVIEW -- IN THIS CASE CPED'S IS PROPOSI TO MEET THE PURPOSE OF THE INVEST IN CHILDCARE WORKERS AND USING THEIR CURRENT RESOURCES TO DO THAT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT
MEETS THE INTENT OF THE AUTHOR OR NOT. SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. WE WILL BE COMING BACK AS I NOT AGAIN TO REPORT AGAIN ON THIS LATER IN THE YEAR.
'CSE THERE ARE -- THERE'S VERY CLEAR PROCESSES ON IF THE -- IF TO USE THE MONEY FOR THE INTENDED PURPOSE, WARE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO COMMITTEE AND EXPLAIN HOW MUCH
FUNDS ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED, WHY AND WHAT THE EFFECT OF THE -- ON THE COUNCIL DEDICATED PURPOSE WOULD BE. >> YEAH, I WAS A CO-AUTHOR ON THAT POLICY SO I'M VERY AWARE -- I THINK IT'S THAT PIECE, THOUGH, IF IT'S AN EARMARK. IT'S GREAT
TO HEAR THAT THE ILEMENTATION IS MOVING FORWARD BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL GETTING AT THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF EVEN BRINGING A CHANGE OF STATE WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AS PASSED WHICH IS AN EARMARK AND WE'RE GOING TO
PROPOSE THAT. AS THE AUTHOR OF THIS POLICY I THINK ALSO FELL UNDER THE SAME SCOPE WITHIN IMPLEMENTATION. SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE A FOLLOW-UP THEN WHERE IT MIGHT MEAN AT A SUBSEQUENT BUDGET AMENDMENT OR BUDGET MEETING WHERE WE MIGHT NEED THAT CHANGE THEN ON THIS ONE. >> UNDERSTOOD.
>> YEP. >> ALL RIGHT. I'LL NEXT RECOGNIZE COCIL MEMBER STEVENSON? >> YEAH, THIS IS GETTING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION THAT CHAIR, YOU HAD WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN EARMARK
AND ANOTHER BUDGET AMENDMENT IS. I DON'T KNOW WHO SHOULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME. WHETHER -- BUT PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND. >> I'TAKE THE FIRST STAB ANDHEN THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR MIGHT JUMP
IN. AN EARMARK IS- A STANDARD BUDGET AMENDMENT INVOLVES PAYING FOR A NEW THING OR EXPANDED PAYING FOR A NEW THING THAT WE
ARE ALREADY DOING AND SO TO PAY FOR IT, YOU NEED TO FIND MONEY FROM POINT A AND PLACE IT IN POINT B TO DO THE THING. USUALLY THAT MEANS THERE'S GOING TO BE A REDUCTION TO A DEPARTMENT OR A SET OF -- A
PROGRAM'S BUDGET TO INCREASE TO PAY FOR THE NEW THING. SOMETIMES WE'LL EARMARK MONEY WITHIN AN EXISTING BUDGET AND EITHER CREATE A NEW PROGRAM TO
BE PAID FOR USING THAT EARMARK OR TO EXPAND SOMETHING THAT EXISTS ALREADY. I THINK AT A HIGH-LEVEL THAT'S THE DISTINCTION AND HERE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT EARMARKS THAT WERE A PART OF THE BUDGET THAT'S THESE 13 AMENDMENTS THAT WERE
PAID FOR USING EARMARKS INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR THE OUTCOME FUND BY MAKING A CUT SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET. >> OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT THE 38 THRIVE MONEY TODAY
BECAUSE IT MAY CUT TO SOMETHING ELSE? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> IT TOOK MONEY FROM THE DOWNTOWN ASSETS FUND BALANCE AND SO IT USED CASH FROM LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX TO PAY FOR THE 38TH STREET THRIVE
IMPLEMENTATION. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT COVERED HERE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. AND NEXT WE'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> YEAH, JUST ANOTHER QUICK THING, CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND JUST FOR STAFF I FEEL VERY SURE THIS
REQUIRES CHANGE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS NOW WITH THE $102,000 THAT WAS ORIGINALLILY EARMARKED FOR THIS PURPOSE THAT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED FOR THIS PURCHASE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, THAT FINANCING WE HAD TO FIND IT IN THE BUDGET. IT WAS BEING USED
SO I'D HAVE TO GO IN AND CUT IT FROM SOMEWHERE OTHER PLACE WITHIN THE CPED BUDGET. >> UH-HUH. >> IT WAS NOT. SO THEN THAT'S WHAT HAS IT WOULD MEAN. IT'S BEING USED FOR SALARIES. IT'S BEING USED FOR PROGRAMS. IT'S BEING USED FOR INSPECTION SERVICES. THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR, AND, YOU KNOW,
IN LIGHT OF THE ROLLOVER SITUATION, WE'D MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS WHAT WE'RE CUTTING AND NOT CUTTING. IF IT'S IT -- IF IT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL AND WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION THAT I HAVE TO GO CUT $102,000 AND CREATE AN
FTE FOR THIS, THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. BUT IT WILL HAVE A CONSEQUENCE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. >> NO, I'M ACTUALLY ASKING FOR THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. SO WHAT YOU'RE WOULD NEED -- OR WHAT
THERE WOULD NEED TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BODY WOULD NOT A BUDGET RESOLUTION SAYING WE'RE ASKING TO USE THIS FOR, FOR INSTANCE, PERSONNEL BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION THAT NOTES THAT CHANGE EVEN WITH THE EARMARK SO I THINK THIS IS A
REALLY GOOD LESSON OF EARMARKS ARE ALSO FALLING UNDER THE SAME EXPECTATION OF THIS FINANCIAL POLICY IN THAT A CHANGE, EVEN IF IT MEANS STILL KEEPING IT ABSORBED WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE
APPROVAL PROCESS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON -- >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CPED SECTION.
NEXT I BELIEVE WE'RE WELCOMING PUBLIC WORKS. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI MY NAME IS TIM SEXTON PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. WALKING YOU THROUGH THE COUNCIL DIRECTED SPENDING RATES FOR PUBLIC WORKS. GO -- THAT'S FINE. I GOT
IT. THANKS. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SO STARTING WITH ZERO WASTE PROJECT MANAGER WE HAD TWO RELATED AMENDMENTS. ONE IS TO CREATE A NEW POSITION, ZERO WASTE PROJECT MANAGER AND THE SECOND WAS TO HAVE A ZERO WASTE WORKGROUP. WE'VE BEEN
WORKING TO CREATE THE POSITION ZERO WASTE PROJECT MANAGER ROLE. WE DID WORK WITH THE COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT TO CHANGE THE FUNDING TO THE CLIMATE LEGACY INITIATIVES SO THAT THAT ROLE COULD HAVE AN EXPANDED SCOPE WHICH MEANS IT COULD WORK NOT JUST ON RESIDENTIAL UNITS OF
FOUR UNITS OR LESS BUT IT COULD ALSO WORK ON COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL SO IT WOULD HAVE AN EXPANDED SCOPE RATHER THAN THE INITIAL BUDGET PROPOSAL WHICH WAS TO COME FROM
RIDICULOUSING FUNDS WHICH ARE RESTRICTED TO THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR ONLY. SO WE WENT TO THE COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AND THAT IS WITH HR RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE HOPING TO POST IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. SO WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS THERE.
WE'VE THEN ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO ADD THE ZERO WASTE WORKGROUP ON THE SEACK EXISTING COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT ALREADY HAS A STRUCTURE. IT ALREADY HAS
STAFFING, AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ARE -- WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON BOTH OF THESE ITEMS. THE SECOND GROUPING HAS TO DO WITH SIDEWALK PLOWING
PROJECTS AND ACTUALLY SINCE THIS POSTED, WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'RE CLOSER TO $250,000 SPENT. NOW, THIS SIDEWALK PILOT -- IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN THAT WINTER AS YOU KNOW -- IT'S AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR CALENDAR AND AT THE END OF
THE CALENDAR, RIGHT, SO THE FACT THAT WE'VE SPENT ABOUT $250,000 I WOULD SUGGEST IS VERY MUCH ON TRACK FOR SPENDING. WE, JUST LIKE I MENTIONED THIS PAST YEAR IN DECEMBER, WE HAD SOME UNPLANNED SNOW EVENTS. SO WE
DON'T WANT TO BE PUSHING UP AGAINST THAT, SAY, FULL 50% OF THE SPEND OR WE COULD RUN OUT OF MONEY IN DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. SO WE SPENT ABOUT $250,000. THIS WALKS THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PILOT AREAS THAT WE'VE WORKING
ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO SOME MORE DETAIL. I MIGHT NEED SOME MORE HELP FROM SOME OF OUR STAFF HERE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIFICS ON THOSE FOUR PILOT AREAS BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO PUBLIC WORKS EARMARKS? I'M NOT SEEING ANY. SO WE WILL CONTINUE
WITH OUR PRESENTATION. >> READY CHAIR? >> WE'RE READY FOR YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. TODD BARNETT COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. UP FIRST IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFDUTY FEES. THE UPDATE THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT ONE OTHER THAN WHAT WAS IN THE
MEMO THAT WAS SENT TO COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 2ND IS THAT NOW WE HAVE AN ACTUAL TIMELINE FOR THIS TO BE STARTED. AND YOU CAN SEE UP THERE IT'S ESTIMATED FOR SECOND
QUARTER OF 2027. LIKE IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED IN THE EMAIL, WE NEED TO GET A TIMEKEEPING PLATFORM TOGETHER AS WELL AS SOME OF TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NEEDED.
I'LL LET CHIEF O'HARE TALK ABOUT THE NONFATAL SHOOT TEAM. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR, BRIAN O'HARA, POLICE CHIEF, SO THE NONFATAL SHOOTING TEAM HAS
BEGUN, THE FAST TEAM. THE EARMARK IS ESSENTIALLY PAYING FOR SALARY FRINGE AND AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF OVERTIME FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THE NONFATAL SHOOTING TEAM. IN ADDITION TO THAT,
THEY'RE BEING SUPPORTED AND WE'RE GETTING WORK FROM OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING AS WELL AS WE'VE STARTED A VIOLENT OFFENDER APPREHENSION TEAM THAT IS ALSO SUPPLEMENTED BY OUTSIDE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES SO THAT AS SOON AS THERE ARE SUSPECTS IDENTIFIED AND THAT THERE ARE PROBABLE CAUSE ARRESTS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS CAN TARGET THEM AND GET THEM OFF THE STREET AND MAKE ARRESTS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO THE EARMARK FOR THE
NONFATAL SHOOTING TASK FORCE IS COMPLETELY ACCOUNTED FOR WITH SALARY, FRINGE AND ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH OVERTIME IT WILL COST FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THE TEAM.
>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NONFATAL TASK FORCE. I'VE SUNG THE PRAISES OF THAT MANY TIMES AND THIS IS NO COMMENTARY TO YOU BUT I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING THE OFFDUTY FEES NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED WHICH I STILL FIND TO BE UNACCEPTABLE AND IT'S
VERY APPALLING THAT THE FREY ADMINISTRATION IS IMPLEMENTING AT LEAST THE QUARTER OR SECOND QUARTER OF 2027 ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW BASED OFF 2024'S, LIKE, REPORT AND DATA, WE ARE CURRENTLY SUBSIDIZING THIS AT
$1.4 MILLION, AND LET ME SAY -- OR PROVIDE CLARITY. IT'S NOT WE, RESIDENTS ARE SUBSIDIZING $1.4 MILLION OF MAKING SURE THAT MPD OFFICERS CAN ESSENTIALLY DO THEIR SIDE GIGS FOR PERSONAL GAIN AND THAT IS NOT LEADING TO
CITYWIDE PUBLIC SAFETY OUTCOMES. AND I KNOW RESIDENTS HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR REPEATEDLY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PRIORITIZE DECREASING PROPERTY TAXES AND ACTUALLY TAKING $1.4 MILLION OFF THEIR SHOULDERS COULD BE A CLEAR AND OBVIOUS WAY
TO DO THAT, AND IT WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO RECOUP SAID MILLION DOLLARS OF COSTS WITHOUT REDUCING ANY PROGRAMS OR SERVICES. AND I WANT TO NOTE THAT THAT THERE IS A REAL COSTS TO DELAYING THIS WORK. AS YOU MENTIONED WE GET OFFDUTY MEMOS
NOW AS A RESULT OF COUNCIL PASSING A MEASURE TO GET THOSE REPORTS AND THROUGH APRIL OF THIS YEAR MPD HAS STATED THAT THERE'S BEEN 10,000 HOURS OF OFFDUTY WORK PERFORMED THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN SUBSIDIZING AND THAT'S ALMOST NEARLY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. IF WE
IMPLEMENT THE FEES THAT COUNCIL PASSED JUST LAST YEAR WE COULD BE RECOUPING NEARLY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW, AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A CHOICE OF POLITICAL WILL. I'VE SEEN THE FIRE AND THE FREY ADMINISTRATION MAKE
MAGIC TO PUT IN PLACE TO DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS MAKE SURE RECOVERING IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN AND I JUST FIND IT MIND-BOGGLING THAT WE CAN'T DO THE SAME TO GET ESSENTIALLY AN APP OR WHATEVER TECH YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY GET THIS IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR.
COUNCIL ALREADY PUT THE POLICY MEASURES IN PLACE TO COLLECT THIS FEE AND WE INDICATED BY THIS PRESENTATION GAVE YOU $300,000 OVER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS FEE AND YOU'RE STILL SAYING IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER YEAR TO DO TECH
CHANGES TO COLLECT IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. WE HAVE. FINANCIALLY THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS WE COULD BE REKIP COSTS IN ALLEVIATING FINANCIAL BURDEN AND STRAIN OFF OF OUR RESIDENTS AND
PARTICULARLY ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE PAYING SUCH A HIGH DEGREE FOR ONE DEPARTMENT THAT THIS ACTUALLY DIRECTLY TIES TO. WE JUST HEARD NEARLY $20 MILLION OF SPENDING WE COULD TAKE AT LEAST 1.4 MILLION OF THAT OFF THE SHOULDERS AND THERE'S A
CHARGE IN THE FREY ADMINISTRATION NOT TO DO SO AND IT MAKES NO SENSE. I HAVE TO SAY DO BETTER THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU CAN'T IMPLEMENT THIS FEE THIS YEAR AND BUY THE TECHNOLOGY AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE FREY ADMINISTRATION TO DO SO WE'RE NOT IN THE SAME THING OH, WE
WASTED A MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. THAT IS IT. >> THANK YOU. NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON. >> THANK YOU.
MY COLLEAGUE LAID OUT THE CASE WELL ENOUGH BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR, I DON'T KNOW FROM THE COMMISSIONER OR FROM THE CHIEF, WHY DOES IT TAKE OVER A YEAR? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR,
COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AS AN ENTERPRISE WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT TIMEKEEPING MEASURES AS WELL AS THE TECHNOLOGY. I THINK THE MOST OF THEM FROM -- I THINK IT'S DECEMBER 2ND KIND OF
LAYS THAT OUT THAT WENT TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER PROJECTS THAT'S GOING ON. I HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY LOUD AND CLEAR. I WILL DEFINITELY TAKE THOSE CONCERNS BACK AND SEE WHAT
WE CAN DO TO MOVE THINGS QUICKER. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT APPEARS THAT IT IS SCHEDULED FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2027. >> SO THE REASON IT'S GOING TO TAKE A YEAR IS NOT BECAUSE THE PROCESS TAKES A YEAR BUT BECAUSE IT'S A LOW PRIORITY FOR YOU AND
YOU'RE GOING TO DO OTHER PROJECTS BEFORE YOU DO THIS. >> I DON'T THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON. IT'S NOT A LOW PRIORITY FOR ME. I CAN -- LIKE I SAID, EARLIER I'LL TAKE IT BACK AND SEE WHERE WE
ARE AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY AS FAR AS TIMELINES THAT IS OUT THERE. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT SPECIFIC THING. I SPECIFICALLY ASKED WHICH WILL WE GET IT DONE. IT'S NOT JUST OUR DEPARTMENT IT'S ALSO OCS. >> WHICH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE
TECHNOLOGY PIECE, OF COURSE, IT'S IT. I BELIEVE ALSO THERE'S -- I BELIEVE THE TECHNOLOGY -- I MEAN, THE PIECE, THE TIMEKEEPING I THINK IS A BROADER PROJECT FOR THE
ENTERPRISE THAT WOULD CREATE A NEW PLATFORM FOR US. THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LIES IN HR OR IT. >> OKAY, CAN I MARK THIS FOR STAFF FOLLOW-UP OF UNDERSTANDING WHICH DEPARTMENTS NEED TO MOVE
WHAT IN ORDER FOR US TO -- >> YES. >> RECOUP THESE FEES? >> OKAY. >> YEAH, AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS TO YOU, YOU KNOW, I HAD A LARGE CONTRACT CUT IN MY WARD AT
SABATHANI. THIS THIS SAVES LIVES AND THESE ARE PEOPLE'S JOBS AND BECAUSE OF OVERSPENDING AND NOW HERE WE ARE, WE HAVE A WAY OF RECOUPING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, WE GOT TO MOVE ON THIS.
WE GOT TO MOVE NOW ON THIS. >> NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COMMISSIONER, THIS IS NOT A LOW PRIORITY FOR YOU. THEN WHO IS IT A LOW PRIORITY FOR 'CAUSE I
THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW TO DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY LED US THROUGH THIS WORK AND NOT DELAYING RECOUPING ANY FEES AND THE RESIDENTS OF MINNEAPOLIS ARE GOING TO FACE
THE BURDEN. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, LIKE I SAID, EARLIER, I'LL TAKE THE CONCERNS BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO MOVE UP THE TIMELINE. I WILL DEFINITELY, AS COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON SAID, UNDERSTAND THE EXACT TIMELINE AND BRING THAT BACK.
>> THANK YOU, I WOULD LOVE IF WE CAN MOVE THE TIMELINE UP AND AS A FOLLOW-UP WHO IS THIS ALOW PRIORITY FOR? >> OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN
BEFORE -- OH, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN? >> I JUST -- THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. THE OVERSPENDING HERE, DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DECREASE IN THE RECRUITING BUDGET FROM 2023 AND 2024?
/PWAU BECAUSE IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A DECREASE IN RECRUITING BUDGET FOR NEW OFFICERS TO OBTAIN POSITIONS IN '23 AND '24 THEN FORWARDLY THINKING THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD HAVE ALREADY COME THROUGH
ACADEMY AND BEEN VESTED WHICH WOULD HAVE THEN INTERN REDUCED THE NUMBER OF OVERTIME BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS NEEDED IN ORDER TO SERVE IN THIS -- UNDERNEATH THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IS THERE A CORRELATION BETWEEN REDUCED FUNDING FOR RECRUITMENT AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW?
>> UH-HUH. CORRECT. GO AHEAD AND TELL THE TRUTH SHAME THE DEVIL. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO SHAME THE DEVIL. COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN, OF COURSE, IF WE COULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THAT WOULD HELP US
WITH THE OVERTIME, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF WHY WE'VE GONE OVERBUDGET, SO FINANCE FINANCIAL BUDGET COULD TELL YOU IF THERE'S A CORRELATION, IF WE
HAD MORE OFFICERS THEN WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION NOT SPENDING SO MUCH IN OVERTIME. >> BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED REGULAR TIME AND WE WOULD HAVE THE ADEQUATE BUDGET IN ORDER TO HAVE SO MANY OFFICERS PER THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS HERE IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS IN ORDER TO MOVE
THROUGH COMMUNITY EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO WORK ON BECAUSE I'VE
HEARD HE IT STATED SEVERAL TIMES -- I MEAN, WE COULD SIT HERE AND GET UPSET ABOUT THE FACT THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE OVERBUDGETED OR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT GOES OVERBUDGET BUT SHOOTER BE TRAVESTY, CHAOS, CONFUSION OR WHATEVER ELSE THE
CASE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE OVERBUDGET DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN, DON'T SHOW UP AND I NEED THEM TO SHOW UP SO, NORTH SIDE NEEDS YOU TO SHOW UP TOO. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I'M ACTUALLY -- YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THESE FIGURES OFF THE HAT BUT WHAT I'M RECALLING -- WE STILL HAD PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH OVERTIME COSTS EVEN WHEN
MPD WAS CLOSER TO THE CHARTER MINIMUM OF OVER 800 OFFICERS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ESTIMATE WAS LET'S PRE2019, AGAIN, WHEN YOU WERE CLOSER TO THAT CHARTER MINIMUM.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE CHIEF O'HARE MIGHT HAVE THAT ANSWER. >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, 2019, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SPENT OVER $6 MILLION IN OVERTIME. >> UH-HUH. >> WHICH I BELIEVE WORKS OUT -- THAT WAS A FULLY STAFFED DEPARTMENT.
>> UH-HUH. >> LESS SERIOUS CASES. I BELIEVE IF YOU WORK THE NUMBERS OUT, THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT 935 FTES, THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKED, WHAT THAT TRANSLATES TO.
>> AND I THINK YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING A LITTLE MORE HYPERFOCUSED ON THE OPERATION METRO SURGE AND I THINK THIS IS EVEN A CONVERSATION WHEN MPD WAS CLOSER TO THEIR CHARTER AMOUNT VERSUS EVEN NOW WE HAD A PERSISTENT PROBLEM FOR OVER 7 YEARS WITH ESSENTIALLY OVERTIME
AND THIS IS ONE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CONSTANTLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO EQUALIZE Y'ALL'S BUDGET SO YOU CAN SPEND WITHIN THE SAME AMOUNT AS IT'S GROWN OVER 30% OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND ONE OF THINGS WE'RE HELPING IN THAT GOAL IS THINGS LIKE
OFFDUTY. TO TAKE THAT OFF THE SHOULDERS OF RESIDENTS SO THAT THAT COULD ACTUALLY HAVE MORE OFFICERS DO THAT PUBLIC SAFETY WORK THAT WE ALL LIKE TO SEE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF
SOMEONE HAD THAT FIGURE IF THAT COULD BECYTE -- CITED ON THE PUBLIC WORK. >> THANK YOU. AND JUST BEFORE WE CONTINUE, IT TOOK ME A WHILE
TO FIND THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR YOUR ASSIST ON THAT. IN EARLY LAST YEAR, OR I WANT TO SAY MAYBE -- NO, THIS WAS IN THE SUMMER OF 2024, AROUND THIS TIME, THERE WAS,
THROUGH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT SUBCOMMITTEE, A CONTRACT THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR AN EARLY INTERVENTION SYSTEM AND DURING A -- DURING THAT CONVERSATION THE SUBJECT OF OVERTIME CAME UP AND I SEE EXACTLY WHY IT DID AND I'M LOOKING AT THE SLIDE DECK
AND I SEE THAT ONE OF THE METRICS THAT WAS AT THAT TIME PROPOSED AS SOMETHING THAT THIS EARLY INTERVENTION SYSTEM COULD ASSIST IN, IN BETTER TRACKING, AND QUANTIFYING IN ONE CENTRALIZED PLACE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM CALLS FOR SERVICE BUT THEN IT REALLY LOOKS
AT TIME WORKED AND TIME USED FOR INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES, SPECIFICALLY, IN THE BUCKET OF TIME USED LOOKING AT SICK TIME, VACATION TIME, BUT IN TIME WORKED REALLY LOOKING AT REGULAR HOURS, OVERTIME, BUYBACK AND
THEN IN ADDITION, OFFDUTY AND PART-TIME EXTERNAL WORK SIDE GIGS AS WE CALL THEM. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO -- I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE IN THIS CONVERSATION AND IT HAS COME UP SINCE THIS -- THIS WAS APPROVED 2 YEARS' AGO
BUT REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE EARLY INTERVENTION SYSTEM WAS INITIALLY APPROVED UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE DEPARTMENT THAT THIS WAS A TOOL THAT COULD BE USED TO TRACK OVERTIME, BUYBACK AND OFFDUTY
HOURS -- WHY THERE'S A BRAND-NEW SYSTEM THAT'S NEEDED AND I THINK THAT'S -- THAT'S RECONCILING THAT MIGHT HELP US BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. >> YES, MA'AM. CHAIR, SO I THINK THE BEST WAY TO THINK
ABOUT THE EARLY INTERVENTION SYSTEM IS THAT IT IT IS THE PLACE IT PULLS DATA FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT SLIGHTLY LOWED SYSTEMS. -- SILOED SYSTEMS. SO IT WILL PULL DATA FROM THE POLICE REPORTS. IT WILL PULL
DATA WHAT IS NOW WORKFORCE DIRECTOR WHICH IS THE SYSTEM THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED IT IS CHANGING OVER FOR THE CITY. IT WILL PULL THAT DATA FROM DIFFERENT PLACES TO ANALYZE IT AND GIVE WARNING FLAGS, EARLY
WARNING FLAGS, IF YOU WILL, AROUND ANY OUTLIERS OR ANY CONCERNS -- ANYTHING THAT WE PRESET INTO THE SYSTEM. SO IT IS NOT THE SYSTEM IN AND OF ITSELF THAT TRACKS THE HUMAN RESOURCE DATA. BUT IT'S THE
THING THAT YOU PULL ALL OF THIS DIFFERENT DATA INTO ONE PLACE TO ANALYZE IT. >> GOTCHA. THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER -- OH. >> ONE IN QUEUE. >> I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ OF. >> I JUST WANTED TO GET MORE
INFORMATION REGARDING THE COMMENTS REGARDING THE CAMPAIGN RECRUITMENT FOLLOW-UP. MAYBE THERE COULD-A -- MAYBE THERE COULD BE A MEMO YOU HOUN THE MAYOR CUT MONEY FROM THE CAMPAIGN BUT THEN THERE WAS
MONEY LEFT OVER AFTER THAT SO IF THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT OR SOMEONE HERE CAN ANSWER. WAS THERE LEFTOVER MONEY BEFORE? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I COULD JUST FOLLOW UP ON ONE THING THAT I THINK MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO E CONVERSATION ABOUT THE
OFFDUTY 'CAUSE THE CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EARLY INTERVENTION. WE DO NEED A WAY TO BILL. OUR BILLING PROCESS RIGHT NOW -- WE DON'T HAVE A WAY
WITH ALL OF THE SITES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN BILLING SO THAT'S A PART OF IT. SEPARATE FROM JUST KNOWING THE HOURS IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THE EARLY INTERVENTION SYSTEM DOESN'T DO THAT PART. THANK
YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER, WAS YOUR QUESTION ALSO ADDRESSED OR DID YOU WANT -- >> TO WHOEVER CAN ANSWER IT. I MEAN, THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT CUTTING RECRUITMENT BUDGET BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS LEFTOVER FUNDING LAST YEAR SO I'M TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER TO THAT.
>> GOTCHA. SO IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE CAN DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE FOLLOW-UP JUST DETAILING THEN THE FULL BUDGET FOR RECRUITMENT, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT OF THAT WAS
SPENT ON WHAT PURPOSES OR WHAT RECRUITMENT ACTIVITIES. >> THERE WAS LITERALLY LEFTOVER MONEY AFTER WE'RE TOLD IT WAS DEFUNDED SO MAKE IT MAKES SENSE. >> AND THEN I'LL RECOGNIZE
COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> YES, JUST LEVEL OF URGCY ON FOLLOWING UP ON OFFDUTY IN RELATION TO THE LAST POINT MADE. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS VENDORS OUT THERE IN THE FREE MARKET UNIVERSE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT AND ARE EXCITED TO
HELP THE CITY FIGURE OUT AND GO THROUGH OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS IN THIS GOAL TO HELP US BE ABLE TO ENACT THESE FEES AND TRACK THEM AND BUILD THEM. WE JUST HAVE NEVER DID YOU NOT WORK -- DONE THE WORK TO PUT OUT AN RFP TO EVEN REACH THOSE VENDORS. SO
IT'S NOT A MATTEOF, LIKE, THERE'S A LACK OF RESOURCES OUT IN THE COMMUNITIES FOR US ENACTING THESE FEES. THERE'S BEEN A LACK OF EFFORT ON OUR SIDE TO ACTUALLY DO THE PROCESS TO BRING THE APPROPRIATE TOOLS AND VENDORS ALONG TO ACTUALLY SAVE OUR TAXPAYERS $1.4 MILLION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND I THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI FOR FLAGGING -- WE'VE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT SEVERAL YEARS NOW THAT TECHNOLOGY WAS A TOP BARRIER TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING OFFDUTY FEES. WE'VE HEARD THAT FOR OVER 4 YEARS, AT LEAST DURING MY TIME
AND THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUE IN GETTING TECHNOLOGY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SETTLEMENT REEMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS MUCH OF A HASSLE WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE. YOU HAVE E POLICIES IN PLACE. YOU HAVE THE STARTUP MONEY IN PLACE. THANKS TO THIS COUNCIL TO GET
THES THINGS DONE SO I WANT TO SAY IT DOESOT TAKE NASA TO COME IN AND DESIGN AN OFFDUTY PROCESS FOR US. IT CAN LITERALLY BE SOMETHING BROUGHT IN BTHE VENDOR IF WE DID THE RFP AND ACTUALLY STARTED THE PROCUREMENT PROSS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURIRY? >> -- COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY CHOUD. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI? >> I WANT TO STATE AROUND FUNDING AND PATHWAYS THERE'S
BODIES IN THE PAST THAT WERE PART OF IT. THERE WAS THE FUNDING OF HIGHER WAGES SO WE CAN GET MORE LATERAL RECRUITS AND THEN ATTRACT OTHER OFFICERS. WE ALSO HAVE FUNDED MPD PATHWAYS
PROGRAMS REPEATEDLY AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET CLEAR DATA SHOWING HOW THOSE WORK. AS FAR AS THE PR CAMPAIGN FOR RECRUITMENT. I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION WELL. WE HAD AN AMOUNT THAT WAS FUNDED I BELIE
IN THE -- IN THE 2023 BUDGET PROCESS AND THENHERE'S ANOTHER AMOUNT THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR ABOUT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THE 2024 BUDGET PROCESS AND THERE WERE NO HARD DATA POINTS
GIVEN IN THAT PRESENTATION TO SHOW HOW WELL THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS WORKED AND SO WE ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION. I REMEMBER I ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION THAT WOULD SHARE THE EFFICACY OF
THE -- THE PR RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN THAT WE WERE ASKED TO PUT ANOTHER HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO AND THEN WE LEARNED LATER ON IN THE ROLLOVER PROCESS THAT FUND FOR THE PR RECRUITMENT
CAMPAIGN HAD ALLOWED US X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS LEFT OVER AND THAT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IN THIS COUNCIL AND WE MIGHT HAVE ALSO DONE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FOLLOW-UP TO GET THAT INFORMATION AT SOME POINT BUT I DID JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. I REALLY FEEL THAT THE BREAD AND
BUTTER PARTS OF RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, WE HAVE REALLY PUT EFFORT INTO THIS BODY TO MAKE HAPPEN AND -- NOTWITHSTANDING CONVENTION AND I THINK THAT'S RTH HOLDING UP. I THINK IT'S -- FOR ME I THINK IT'S MORE POWERFUL TO HAVEHE HIGHER
WAGES AND THE PATHWAYS PROGRAM THAN TO RELY SOLELY ON A PR RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN THAT SHOWED LEFTOVER FUNDING FOR FUTURE YEARS SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REAL CORRELATION BETWEEN US DECIDING NOT TO DO THAT HALF MILLION DOLLARSHEN THERE'S
ALREADY MONEY LEFT OVER AND STRUGGLING WITH RECRUITMENT. I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL DATA POINTS THAT SHOWS THAT THIS IS A DIFFICULT TIME ACROSS POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO RRUIT NEW HIRES
AND THAT'S WHY WE IMPLEMENTED THE CSO PROGRAM WHICH IS WHY WE HAD LARGER GROUPS OF RECRUITMENT IF WE WANT TO MENTION THE DEVIL IT'S IMPACTED ALL CITIES. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL N
CONTINUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY DEPARTMENTS SECTION OF THIS PRESENTATION. WE' COMING NEAR THE END HERE. THIS IS THE LAST DEPARTMENT
. >> WITH THE GOALS OF NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY WHICH WAS TO USE DATA TO GET SERVICES INTO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEEDED IT. AND STEVENS SQUARE SHOWED UP AS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEEDED THAT. WE HAD AT THE SAME TIME COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN WAS
WORKING ON THIS STARTED TO PUT SERVICES INTO STEVENS SQUARE. WE'RE GOING TO SPECIFICALLY USE THE EARMARK IN THIS DIRECTIVE TO ENSURE SERVICES CAN CONTINUE FROM JULY THROUGH THE END OF SEPTEMBER. AND I BELIEVE THAT
CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. >> YES, IT DOES. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY ITEM? I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT OSMAN. >> THANK YOU,EPUTY DIRECTOR. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING FORWARD.
I JUST WANT TO OVERALL TALK ABOUT STEVENS SQUARE. RIGHT NOW UNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER IS ALSO PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I TALKED TO THE CHIEF MANY TIMES ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S MUCH NEEDED RESOURCE HERE. SUPER
GLADHAT THIS IS COMING FORWARD. I'VE BEEN SCREAMING A LONG TIME TO GET STEVENS SQUARE AND NICOLLET SOME VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS, SOME PROGRAMS HERE. APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS. ALSO, I AM JUST
ENCOURAGING CITY LEADERS, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC SAFETY, TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THIS AREA. ADD ON YOUR SUMMER SAFETY PLAN. I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENING. BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT AREA THAT IS STRUGGLING WITH VIOLENCE,
ESPECIALLY GUN VIOLENCE. IT'S AN AREA THAT I'M HOPING THE CHIEF AND FOLKS THAT ARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY IS REALLY PAYING ATTENTION IN THIS AREA. SO SUPER
GLAD. PLEASE CONTINUE SHARE WITH US WHEN THAT WILL BE SO WE CAN INTRODUCE TO THE BUSINESSES, AND THEN SHARE WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT THE SERVICE IS COMING FORWARD. SO APPRECIATE IT, AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE
VICE CHAIR SHAFFER. >> YES, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMR OSMAN FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD LAST YEAR. AND WE'RE WORKING HARD AS A TEAMO TRY TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND SET UP SOME MEETINGS TO DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR OFFICE'S HELP IN
THIS WHOLE AREA. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANY ONE ELSE IN QUEUE. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. AND I WILL
DIRECT THE CLERK T FILE THIS REPORT. WE'RE READY NOW TO MOVE TO ITEM 5 ON OUR AGENDA WHICH IS RELATED TO ADMINISTRATIVE FTE ADD MEMO REPORT. FOR THIS PRESENTATION, I WILL INVITE
BUDGET MANAGER JUSTIN CARLSON. WELCOME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, VICE CHAIR SHAFFER, AND MEMBERS OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS JUSTIN CARLSON, I'M THE FINANCE MANAGER IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE TO PRESENT ON THE 2026 FIRST QUARTER ADMINISTRATIVE FTE
ADDS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SUMMARY MEMO WITHIN THE LIMS FILE. ADMIN ADDS ARE INCREASES TO A DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET THAT IS OFFSET BY AN INCREASE IN
REVENUES OR ONGOING REDUCTION IN ITS NON-PERSONNEL BUDGET. FINANCIAL POLICIES, SPECIFICALLY 1.5.3 WHICH ADDRESSES ADDING FTES ADMINISTRATIVELY. CHANGE IN FINANCIAL POLICIES AS NOTED IN
BOLD ON THE SLIDE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TRANSPARENCY OUTSIDE OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS. A NOTED IN THE STAFFING SECTION OF EACH DEPARENT PAGE IN THE 2026 ADOPTED BUDGET BOOK. WE WILL CONTINUE TO INCLUDE THE IN THE
BUDGET BOOKS MOVING FORWARD. IN QUARTER ONE OF 2026, THERE WERE 13 FTEs ADDED ADMINISTRATIVELY ASHOWN IN THE SLIDE. I WILL BRIEFLY SHARE EACH OF THESE, AN ANSWER QUESTIONS. ARTS AND
CULTURAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT, ONE POSITION IN THE GENERAL FUND WHICH WAS CREATED BY PRODUCING -- FOR CONTRACTUAL ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT SERVICES TO BRING THIS WORK IN-HOUSE. THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN PROGRAMMING. HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THREE POSITIONS IN SPECIAL
REVENUE FUNDS AND TWO POSITIONS IN THE GENERAL FUND. OFFSET BY GRANT REVENUES. -- SHIFTS THE FUNDING FROM NON-PERSONNEL TO THE PERSONNEL BUDGET. THI IS
RELATED TO THE CLIMATE LEGACY I DECEMBER. IN THE IT DEPARTMENT, ONE POSITION IN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND. THIS POSITION IS OFFSET BY REVENUES BY EXTERNAL PARTNERS WHO WILL BE SUPPORTED BY THIS POSITION ALONG WITH REDUCTION TO
NON-PERSONNEL BUDGET IN IT AND INCREASE TO TECHNOLOGY CHARGE TO THE 911 DEPARTMENT. THIS IS A MODIFICATION INCLUDED IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION IN THE MS FILE. PREVIOUSLY IT WAS COMING FROM THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET THIS FTS
CHANGED TO A GREATER PORTION COVERED BY 911 AS THESE ARE GREATER ALIGNED. ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO COVER THIS EXPENSE. IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, SIX POSITIONS IN THE STORM WATER SEWER ENTERPRISE FUNDS. FINALLY,
THERE WAS ONE POSITION IN THE IT DEPARTMENT NOT LISTED ON THIS TABLE AS THE DEPARTMENT REDUCED THIS BUDGET COUNT AND INCREASED TO BETTER MEET DEPARTMENT NEEDS. I'LL NOTE THAT THE TABLE SHOWS ESTIMATED 2026 SALARY AND FRING
COSTS. THE FULL YEAR COST OF THE POSITION IS OFFSET TO ENSURE THE ACTIONS BUDGET NEUTRAL IN THE CURRENT YEAR. ANDHE OFFSET IS ONGOING. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND THE DEPARTMENT STAFF ARE ON HAND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE POSITIONS.
>> THANK YOU. MR. CARLSON, AS YOU'VE NOTED, THIS IS A NEW REPORT THAT WE'RE RECEIVING AS PART OF A CHANGE TO OUR CITY'S FINCIAL POLICIES. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE BETTER
TRACKING FTES THAT ARE CREATED ADMINISTRATIVELY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON MR. CARLSON'S PRESENTATION? I AM NOT
SEEING ANY. SO THANYOU. AND WILL ASK THE CLERKS TO FILE THIS REPORT. WITH THAT,E ARE READY TO CONTINUE TO OUR FINAL ITEM. I ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ON THIS AS
WELL. THIS IS REGARDING POLICE OVERTIME EXPENSES DURING OPERATION METRO SURGE. SO RESPONSE TO A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I WILL INVITE CHIEF O'HARA TO JOIN US AND
BEGIN THIS PRESENTATION. WELCOME, CHI.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CIR. I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP AND THEN I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO PASS ITS THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF PATROL AND LED THE INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM
THROUGHOUT THE SURGE. SO HE CAN SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. OBVIOUSLY, METRO SURGE WAS AN EMERGENCY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE CITY. AND
ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX AND SU SUSTAINED OPERATIONS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD TO ENDURE AND WAS TRULY UNPRECEDENTED. THERE WAS NO ONE SINGLE INCIDENT DURING THE SURGE. AND FOR
SEVERAL WEEKS, THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS WAS ON THE PRECIPICE OF HAVING YET ANOTHER INCIDENT THAT COULD PUSH USFF INTO THE CYCLE THAT THE CITY SAW SIX YEARS AGO. SO THERE WAS NO DEFINED BEGINNING. AND FOR MUCH
OF IT, THERE WAS JUST NO END IN SIGHT. IT WAS A PERIOD OF PROLONGED UNCERTAINTY. THERE WERE SEVERAL RAPIDLY EVOLVING SITUATIONS, AND VERY SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS NOT JUST HAPPENING IN THE CITY, BUT PUBLIC SAFY CONCERNS THAT WERE
STRETCHING OURUTSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AROUND THE METRO. SO TO MEET THESE DEMANDS, WE HAD TO MOBILIZE THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. SEVER TIMES THERE WERE DAYS OFF CANCELED. WE RECALLED PERSONNEL BACK TO DUTY. ANDE MAINTAINED A CONSTANT AND
HEIGHTENED STATE OF READINESS R WEEKS. THAT ULTIMATELY INVOLVED MULTIPLE TIMES ASKING FOR THE STATE PATROL TO HAVE HUNDREDS OF TROOPERS ON STANDBY FOR US, ASKING FOR THE MINNESOTA NATIONAL GUARD TO BE ON STANDBY, AND TIMATELY, TO DEPLOY WITH
US INTO THE CITY. THERE WERE REAL-TIME DECISIONS MADE ABOUT DEPLOYING PERSONNEL CONTINUOUSLY. OUR OFFICERS WORKED EXTENDED SHIFTS. THEY CAME IN ON THEIR DAYS OFF. AND SEVERAL CANLED VAICTIONS. STANDBY ASSIGNMENTS WERE UTILIZED TO ENSURE AS RAPID AS A
RESPONSE AS WE COULD TO UNEXPECTED EMERGENCIES. AND OFFICERS WERE ESSENTIALLY IN A CONSTANT STATE OF READINESS AND UNDER VERY INTENSE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL PRESSURE CONSISTENTLY. THE SAME TIME WE MADE VERY DELIBERATE DECISIONS TO TRY AND
BALANCE THE CONSTANT AND IMMEDIATE OPERATIONAL NEEDS WITH THE LONG-TERM WEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE OFFICERS. RECOGNIZING THAT WE JUST COULD NOT SUSTAIN THIS FOREVER. IN ADDITION TO RECEIVE MUTUAL AID FROM OUR PARTNER AGENCIES,
PARTICARLY FROM THE STATE AND OTHERS, WE HAD TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE WERE FULLY UTILIZING EVERY MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT. THAT WAS REQUIRED BEFORE WE COULD EVEN GET STATE PATROL AND MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL GUARD TO BE ON STANDBY. SO WHILE THERE
WAS NO CLEAR END POINT, NO ABILITY TO SCALE DOWN SAFELY, AND THERE WAS CERTAINLY NO MARGIN FOR FAILURE. WITH THAT, I'LL ASK DEPUTY CHIEF CUCCO TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN THE DIRECTIVE, AND ESSENTIALLY FROM
THE MANAGEMENT TEAM'S PERSPECTIVE HOW THIS ALL WENT. >> THANKS, CHIEF. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, DID YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE? IS THAT THE PREFERRED METHOD HERE? >> MY ASSUMPTION IS YOU'RE
ANSWERING THEM ONE BY ONE? OR IT WILL FOLLOW GENERALLY THE -- YEAH, YOU'RE ANSWERING THEM ONE BY ONE. SO WE'LL GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THOSE SECTIONS OF THE PRESENTATION. THAT WILL BE GREAT. >> AS THE CHIEF MENTIONED, I OPERATE AS DEPUTY CHIEF PATROL.
DURING THIS EVENT, I WAS THE INCIDENT COMMANDER FOR MOST OF THE TIME UNLESS I WAS GOING TO SLEEP, AND THEN PASS OFF FOR A FEW HOURS, COME BACK IN. SO MY FAMILIARITY IS VERY UNIQUE. AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS. I'LL GET TO
THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE. DEPARTMENT-WIDE, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST OF OVERTIME? BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I'LL JUST DO THESE DEFINITIONS THAT WE SET UP TO LEVEL SET FOR YOU ALL HOW WE DEFINE OVERTIME. OVERTIME IN THE DEPARTMENT IS WHEN SOMEONE WORKS OVER 40 HOURS IN A WEEK, THEN
IT'S OVERTIME. IT'S NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE AS THAT. BECAUSE WE SCHEDULE FOUR-WEEK INCREMENTS. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCHEDULE, THEN THEY COME IN, IT'S OVERTIME. OTHER THINGS THAT WE DEFINE INCLUDE STANDBY TIME AT .50. AS
WE TALK ABOUT HERE, IT'S HALF THE EMPLOYEE'S RATE. AND THE FOLKS ARE PUT ON THIS VERSION OF STANDBY BECAUSE THEY'RE UNIQUELY SKILLED TO AND THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED UNIQUELY TO RESPOND WITH
GEAR AND WE ALL MOBILE FIELD FORCE STRIKE TEAM, THE BICYCLE TEAMS. THOSE FOLKS ARE -- I'M GOING TO BALLPARK IT, ABOUT 140 OFFICERS THAT HAVE ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE SKILLS THAT WE BRING IN TO HELP US MITIGATE THESE LARGE THREATS THAT WE ARE EITHER
ANTICIPATING OR CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING. THEY HAVE TO BE FULLY UNIFORMED IN THE CITY AND FULLY OPERATING WITHIN 60 MINUTES. AND THEY'RE AT HOME. THAT'S .5 STANDBY TIME. THAT'S
NOT BEING USED RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT USED UNLESS WE'RE IN THESE MOMENTS LIKE OPERATION METRO SURGE. AND THEN STANDBY TIME THAT IS SOMETHING IN SOME CASES IT'S CONTRACTUAL. IT'S SOMEONE LIKE THE FAST TEAM INVESTIGATORS
AT HOME AND SOMEBODY GETS SHOT, THEY GET CALLED IN QUICKLY SO THEY CAN RESPOND QUICKLY TO THAT SCENE AND START THE INVESTIGATION. HOMICIDE. SOME OF OUR ALSO UNIQUELY SKILLED BUT MORE UNIQUELY TRAINED, THEY DO THAT .25 WORK. THAT IS
CURRENTLY, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE ON .25 TONIGHT. OKAY. SO ESTIMATED COSTS. THIS IS WITH FRINGE THAT OUR PERSONNEL, WE HAVE 47 LIEUTENANTS. AND THAT IS
THEIR AVERAGE OVERTIME COST. .5 RATE AND .25 RATE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. AND THEN YOU SEE WE DO HAVE OUR OFFICERS AS WELL AND OUR SERGEANTS. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WHEN WE TRY TO ESTIMATE COSTS, WE STRUGGLE
BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THOSE CIVIL SERVICE RANKS DO MORE OR LESS -- THEY HAVE .5 STANDBY TIME, .25, AND THEY ALSO COME IN FOR OVERTIME. OF COURSE WHEN WE CALL EVERYBODY IN, EVERYBODY COMES IN. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING INTO A MANAGERIAL ROLE
JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A LIEUTENANT. SOMETIMES WE'LL PUT THAT PERSON ON A LINE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT UNIQUE SKILL. THIS WAS THE QUESTION POSED BY PRESIDENT PAYNE. WHAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT SPENT ON OVERTIME, .25 AND .5 STANDBY
DURING OMS. PLEASE SPECIFY FOR EACH. GETS INTO THE WEEDS HERE. I CERTAINLY SHOULD GO OVER THIS WHOLE SLIDE. BUT IT'S AVAILABLE. AND WE CAN BREAK THAT DOWN IF YOU'D LIKE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE SLIDES THAT ARE ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS A TOTAL AMOUNT SPENT ON OVERTIME. STANDBY FOR THE SIX WEEKS PRECEDING RENEE GOOD'S MURDER. FOR PURPOSES AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE DIDN'T USE THE .5
STANDBY TIME UNTIL RENEE GOOD'S MURDER. THAT WAS ON THE 7th OF JANUARY. THAT'S WHEN WE HAD TO BRING PEOPLE IN AGAINST THEIR WILL, AS WELL AS AFTER THE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS I THINK IT WAS THE 7th, 8TH, 9th, 10th, 11th. ON
THE 12th, WE TOOK THE CHANCE NOT TO CALL EVERYBODY IN AND SEE IF WE COULD DO IT BY STANDBY TIME RATHER THAN HAVING EVERYBODY WORKING. SOME OF THESE SLIDES ARE IN THE DECK AND YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. I'M HOPING. HOW MANY HOURS OF OVERTIME, .5
AND .25 STANDBY WERE LOGGED EACH WEEK, RESPECTIVELY. AND IT GOES WEEK BY WEEK HERE. HOW MANY HOURS WERE LOGGED EACH WEEK DURING THE SIX WEEKS PROCEEDING
RENEE GOOD'S MURDER. .25 WERE THE ONES, THOSE ARE THE HOURS THAT WE USED AS AN OPERATIONAL ELEMENT. AND .5. VERY RARE. SO WE GET INTO A BREAKDOWN OF HOW
MANY HOURS OF OVERTIME AND STANDBY. THIS HISTOGRAM IS A LITTLE BIT COMPLEX. BUT IF I CAN HELP YOU KIND OF THROUGH IT. IT SHOWS BY NUMBER OF HOURS. HOW MANY OFFICERS WORKED, LET'S SAY,
10-20 HOURS OF OVERTIME. IF YOU LOOK OVER ON THE SECOND LINE IN, 28 OFFICERS WORKED BETWEEN 10 AND 20 HOURS OF OVERTIME. AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH IT, 649 WORKED BETWEEN 20 AND 30. AND IT
GOES DOWN THE LINE. AND THEN THE STANDBY TIME IS THE OTHER GRAPH ON THE DECK. AND THAT TALKS MORE ABOUT THE STANDBY TIME. YOU'LL SEE THAT ZERO-25 OFFICERS WERE PUT ON THIS 342 OFFICERS. AS WE
GO ACROSS THAT HISTOGRAM ON THE LOWER SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT 140 OFFICER THAT I WAS REFERENCING WITH THOSE SKILLS THAT EITHER THEY'RE SWAT, STRIKE. THEY'RE UNIQUELY BUILT
BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF MY MANAGEMENT TEAM. THEY HAVE SKILLS WITH PLANNING OR LOGISTICS. THOSE MAKE UP THE REST OF THE NUMBERS ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THIS SLIDE. THIS GOES
RIGHT TO THE DATES. THE DATES THAT WE WERE USING STANDBY AND OVERTIME. HOW MANY OCCASIONS WERE MPD OFFICERS ON STANDBY WERE CALLED IN? IT DOES CORELATE
WITH THE DEATH OF RENEE GOOD ON THE 7th. OF COURSE WE CAME IN. WE THOUGHT WE WERE THROUGH THAT. DONE WITH THIS EPISODE OF CHAOS. ON THE 14th, THAT WAS THE SOLIS.
I'M SORRY. I FORGOT HIS NAME. THE MAN THAT WAS THE SHOT ON 24th AND LYNDALE. AND OF COURSE ON THE 17th IS WHEN WE LOST ALEX PRETTI. AND THEN THAT INDICATED THAT WE WERE STILL GOING TO BE
IN A LOSS OF CONTROL WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT 26th AND NICOLLET. SOME OF THE EVENTS WE WERE MANAGING INCLUDED FOLKS THAT WERE
ILLEGALLY -- LEGALLY LAW FULLY PROTESTING. AND GO TO THE HOTELS AND BLOCK THE STREETS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD ALL REMEMBER THAT WERE HIGHLY PUBLICIZED. AS WE DRIFT THROUGH JANUARY, WE WERE STILL SEEING
QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVITY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH REGARD TO THEIR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY. I THINK SOME CLOSE IN THERE THE 23RD, WE THE THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL VISIT. AS WE ALWAYS DO WHEN SECRET SERVICE ASKS FOR
ASSISTANCE TO HELP WITH THEIR PROTECTEES. AS IT GOES BEYOND THAT, WE HAD LOTS OF THOSE BARRICADES IN THOSE SITUATIONS. OF COURSE WE WERE ON THE PRECIPICE OF ANOTHER EVENT AT ANY MOMENT. WE FINALLY KIND OF REALIZED IN FEBRUARY, WE WERE
GOING TO BE OUT OF THE DARK. AND THAT'S WHEN FOR THE MOST PART A LOT OF THIS OVERTIME USE IN THE QUESTIONS PRESIDENT PAYNE POSED. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS OFF CANCELED FOR THE 10 MONTHS
PRIOR, MARCH THROUGH DECEMBER, IN THE ESCALATION. THERE WERE NO DAYS OFF CANCELED. THAT'S A SEVERE THING. EVERY OFFICER WHO IS AVAILABLE IS CALLED IN AND HAS TO COME IN WHETHER THEY'RE ON STANDBY OR NOT. THEY DON'T
HAVE THAT 60-MINUTE WINDOW. THEY NEED TO COME TO WORK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND SOME FOLKS ARE ON LIGHT DUTY STATUS OR PARENTAL LEAVE OR SOMETHING. THOSE FOLKS WE WOULDN'T BRING IN. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE THAT FOR
THE 10 MONTHS PRIOR. AND THEN THE OVERTIME COSTS SINCE FEBRUARY 8TH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SOME GOOD NEWS IN HERE. WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING QUITE A FEW MEASURES IN TO LIMIT THE USE OF OVERTIME AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE CERTAINLY CAN HAVE WHERE
WE ARE TRENDING DOWN IN THE OVERTIME USE. I THINK THE 2026 NUMBERS WERE RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT. BUT THAT ANSWERS QUESTION 9. AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION HERE, PLEASE PROVIDE AN
ADDITIONAL HISTOGRAM CHART THAT PROVIDES ALL HOURS OF WORK. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE REGULAR DUTY HOURS, THE HOURS OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE. WE KNOW EVERYONE WORKS 2,080 HOURS A YEAR. WE LEFT IT
OFF THIS SLIDE FOR OBVIOUS. IT TRENDS THE SAME WAY AS THAT PRIOR SLIDE IN WHICH SOME FOLKS HAD MORE STANDBY TIME THAN OTHERS BECAUSE OF THEIR UNIQUE SKILL AND RELATED TO WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ANY
QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL FIRST RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, IS IT COMMANDER NOW?
>> DEPUTY CHIEF. >> DEPUTY CHIEF. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF CUCCO FOR THE PRESENTATION. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS YOU SAID PEOPLE GET PUT ON STANDBY AND THEY JUST HAVE TO COME IN WITHIN THE HOUR. THEY
HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND THEN COME IN ON ASSIGNMENT WITHIN THE HOUR. DO WE PAY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME ONCE THEY COME IN OR DO THEY COME IN AND GET PAID HOURLY? >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WILL ANSWER THAT AS
SOON AS THEY'RE IN AND READY IS WHEN THEIR TIME CONVERTS FROM .5 TO 1.5. BECAUSE THEY'RE IN AND READY. THEY'RE IN THE CITY DEPLOYABLE. THAT'S WHEN THEY CONVERT TO OVERTIME. >> OKAY. BUT YOU -- SO IS THERE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO SERVE ON THAT
CALL-IN SHIFT OR IS IT JUST LIKE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY LEAVE AFTER AN HOUR YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. DO WE PAY THEM FOR A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF HOURS FOR THIS DURING A PERIOD OF TIME?
>> I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER, THROUGH THE CHAIR. THE ANSWER IS THE MINIMUM FOUR-HOURS IS BY CONTRACT. IF THEY'RE CALLED IN. AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE AN END TIME. ALTHOUGH WE PREFER TO FIND A WAY TO GET THEM OUT OF SERVICE AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE. OR 16 HOURS. IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THEM FOR TOO LONG, WE KNOW THEY WON'T BE USEABLE AT ALL FOR US AGAIN. SO IT IS, AND MY ROLE AS COMMANDER, IS ENCOUPLE BENT TO FIND ME TO GET
THEM INTO A BEDDING DOWN SITUATION. BECAUSE WE MIGHT NEED TO PUT THEM ON STANDBY AGAIN IF SOMETHING WERE TO POP UP SURPRISE US. >> I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY HOURS CAN YOU WORK IN ADDITION TO YOUR 40 HOURS A
WEEK, HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK CAN YOU WORK ON STANDBY. OR WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE YOU SAID? THE OTHER VERSION OF OVERTIME. NOT STANDBY. BUT IF A PATROL OFFICER HAD TO JUST BE CALLED IN. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT. >> I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER FOR
YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE ANSWER FOR ANY PERSON IN THE DEPARTMENT, A SWORN OFFICER, A SWORN PERSON IN THE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE HOURS WORKED LIMITS THAT INCLUDES NO MORE THAN 160 IN A TWO-WEEK PERIOD.
WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE FULL 24-HOUR PERIOD OFF. AND ALSO 8 HOURS HAS TO BE OFF IN EVERY 24-HOUR SEGMENT. >> OKAY. SO IF SOMEBODY WORKED 24-HOURS, THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE 8 HOURS OFF AND THEN THEY CAN COME BACK IN?
>> TO BE MORE CLEAR, THEY HAVE TO HAVE 8 HOURS OFF IN EVERY 24-HOUR SEGMENT. >> OKAY. I THINK I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT LIKE IF JUST SAY LIKE A CRITICAL INCIDENT HAPPENED DURING THE TIME WHERE YOU HAVE
LIKE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE, ISN'T THERE SOME SORT OF REQUIREMENT FOR LIKE THE PEOPLE ON THE SCENE TO TAKE SO MUCH TIME OFF? >> YES, MA'AM. AND THAT CRITICAL INCIDENT IS DEFINED SPECIFICALLY WITH USING DEADLY FORCE OR HAVING WITNESSED DEADLY FORCE
USED AGAINST YOU. SO IT IS DEFINED IN WITH THEIR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. >> OKAY. >> AND THAT IS TRUE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE IF THEY'RE INVOLVED IN A CRITICAL INCIDENT. >> AND THAT APPLIES TO THIS TOO.
IF YOU GOT CALLED IN FOR STANDBY OR SOME VERSION OF OVERTIME, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO TAKE THE THREE-DAYS OFF IN THOSE INCIDENTS ALSO AND NOT JUST A REGULAR SHIFT THING? >> I WILL CLARIFY IF DURING THE TIME YOU COME IN, YOU WERE INVOLVED -- LET'S SAY THERE WAS
AN OFFICER ON SCENE WHEN RENEE GOOD WAS MURDERED, AND SOMEHOW WAS INVOLVE IN THAT. HIS OR HER LIFE WAS ALSO THREATENED WITH DEADLY FORCE, THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A CRITICAL INCIDENT. ALTHOUGH THAT EVENT IS A CRITICAL INCIDENT. IN GENERAL LANGUAGE,
THE WAY WE DEFINE IT IN OUR POLICY IS SPECIFIC TO A FORCE BEING USED AGAINST OUR EMPLOYEES OR THEM USING FORCE. >> GOT IT. THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU
FOR THE DETAILED EXPENSES. THAT MUST HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME. THAT'S VERY THOROUGH. AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COMPLIMENT, INSPECTOR PETERSON. DURING THE
HIGH TENSIONS, INFLUENCER JAKE LANE CAME TO TOWN. THE GUY WHO BURNED THE QUORUM AND WAS GOING TO MARCH TO THE WEST BANK. IN FACT, VICE PRESIDENT OSMAN AND I, WE SAW EACH OTHER DOWN THERE.
YOU HAD THE -- AND INSPECTOR PETERSON HAD THE VISION AND FORESIGHT TO GO INTO THE WEST BANK AND ENSURE THE RESIDENTS GOING INTO THE APARTMENTS AND COFFEE SHOPS, AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL OBSERVERS THAT MPD WAS THERE TO HELP TO PROTECT
TO SERVE. YOU HAD YOUR BLUE SHIRTS AVAIL. YOU TOOK YOUR JACKET OFF. YOU CALMED EVERYTHING DOWN. PEOPLE WERE VERY SCARED. I WROTE ABOUT THAT IN MY NEWSLETTER. AND THE FEEDBACK I GOT ABOUT THE BRILLIANCE OF THAT
SIMPLE MOVE. THE KINDNESS OF WALKING IN THE WEST BANK AND ENSURING PEOPLE THAT THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS THERE TO PROTECT THEM. THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. THE SECOND THING I WANT TO DO IS CHIEF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP. BUT JUST OVERALL, THE COMPLIMENTS I'VE GOTTEN ABOUT THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND THE FEDERAL AGENTS THAT CAME HERE ARE TREMENDOUS. ALL THESE YEARS OF THE TRAINING IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND THE LEADERSHIP FROM THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, IT'S JUST SHOWED OFF. AND REALLY, YOU GUYS
SHINE. THE DEPARTMENT SHINED DURING THIS. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. THROUGH THE CHAIR. YUP, APPRECIATE THAT. WISH WE COULD HAVE DONE MORE. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY. >> NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. THANK YOU, DC. I'M LOOKING AT THE HISTOGRAM ON PAGE 9. AND JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THESE OUTLIERS. ONE IS 500 TO 525 HOURS OF STANDBY TIME. JUST
LOOKING AT THE MATH OF THAT ACROSS 32 DAYS. THAT'S SOMEWHERE UPWARDS THE 16 HOURS A DAY. SO THEY WERE ON STANDBY FOR THE DURATION OF THAT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I DID ANTICIPATE THIS QUESTION. THAT
WAS THE OVERALL LEADER THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE CONSTANTLY AVAILABLE. THAT'S THE ONE OUTLIER ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, YES. >> AND THEN FOR THE TOTAL SWORN OVERTIME, THE ONE OUTLIER -- I
DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE SAME PERSON -- 232-240 HOURS OF OVERTIME EVERY DAY FOR 30 DAYS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THAT IS A DIFFERENT PERSON. AND ACTUALLY,
THAT PERSON IS OFF AND OUTLIER. MANAGES TO STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE WORK POLICY BUT IS WORKING AS MANY HOURS AS HE POSSIBLY CAN. MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT RELATED TO
OPERATION SURGE. IT WAS 911 EVENTS AND 911 CALLS, WHICH TO SUPPLEMENT THE SHIFTS BECAUSE THE SHIFTS ARE VERY SMALL. >> AND THEN I WAS CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, IN PARTICULAR FOR THE
STANDBY, HOW DOES BEING ON STANDBY INTERACT WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF 8 HOURS OFF EVERY 24 HOURS? BECAUSE I MEAN CLEARLY EVERY WORKING HOUR -- WELL EVERY WAKING HOUR, ONE PERSON WAS ON STANDBY. BUT THEY WEREN'T UTILIZED FOR ALL OF
THOSE HOURS OF STANDBY. I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT INTERACTION -- LIKE, WHAT TRIGGERS BEING ON STANDBY AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR 8 HOURS OFF? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS PEOPLE WILL BE OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON STANDBY AND
THEY HAVE TO SELF-SELECT INTO STANDBY. WE CAN'T FORCE THEM INTO IT. AND BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THEIR LIFE. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BALANCE THEIR HOURS WORKED WITH THE POLICY. SO IF THEY DO GET CALLED IN AND WE
USE THEM FOR A 16-HOUR SPAN THAT WASN'T IN THEIR PLANNING, WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY WITHIN THAT TWO-WEEK PERIOD TO GET OUT OF OTHER OBLIGATIONS THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED TO. SOMETIMES THAT IS IMPORTANT WORK. SO THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH HOW THEY BID TO GET INTO THAT STANDBY TIME, AND
THEN ALSO, SOMEWHAT, ESTIMATE HOW MUCH THEY WILL BE CALLED IN. AND IT HAPPENED IN A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS WHERE THEY HAD TO ALSO FINISH THEIR WORK WITH OTHER FOLKS' TIME. BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES
OF -- I THINK I MISSED ONE QUESTION THERE WAS HOW DOES .5 RECONCILE WITH ACTIVE WORK. >> YEAH. YEAH. >> THAT'S THE -- IF YOU'RE ON .5 STANDBY AND YOU DON'T GET CALLED IN, THAT IS BETTING DOWN. WE
DON'T COUNT THAT AGAINST THEIR WEEK'S TIME OF -- WE COUNT THE TIME -- THE HOURS WORKED POLICY MEANS HOURS WORKED. THE TIME IN THIS UNIFORM IN THE CITY IN ANY ROLE. >> OKAY. AND THEN MAYBE JUST A
FOLLOW-UP ON THIS ONE OUTLIER THAT'S WORKING TO THE MAXIMUM LEVEL POSSIBLE. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS THIS LATER IN THE CAREER LOOKING FOR HIGH-FIVE? IS THIS EARLIER IN THE CAREER AND THEY HAVE THE TIME? I'M JUST
CURIOUS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT -- >> DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE BEST HEALTHY THING. >> I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. I DID IT LAST YEAR. IT'S END OF YOUR CAREER. YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO AS MUCH WORK AS YOU CAN TO RECONCILE YOUR RETIREMENT FOR
THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. >> OKAY. >> SOMEHOW BUFFALO THAT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. THAT'S THE HONEST ANSWER. MOST OF OUR OLDER FOLKS ARE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. THAT'S REALLY THE GIST OF THAT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS AS THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I'M LESS CONCERNED WITH THE ONE OUTLIER AS GOING BACK A COUPLE. SO LOOKING AT 450
TO 475, THERE'S 12 OFFICERS WHO THAT'S -- SORRY, SAME HISTOGRAM. SWORN OFFICERS SAME STANDBY TIME. THERE WERE 12 OFFICERS WHO MET THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. AND ACROSS 32 DAYS, THAT'S 14 HOURS
OF STANDBY TIME A DAY. CAN YOU JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THESE NUMBERS? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER, THROUGH THE CHAIR, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE QUESTION IT'S ANSWERING? I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS ON MY SLIDES. >> OKAY. SORRY. SO THAT'S
QUESTION 6. >> OKAY. AND YOUR QUESTION, SIR, WAS SPECIFIC TO HOW -- >> SO I'M PULLING OUT UNDER SWORN OFFICERS TOTAL STANDBY
TIME. ON THE FAR RIGHT THERE, THERE'S WELL 30 FROM THE FAR RIGHT IS 450 TO 475. THERE'S 12 OFFICERS WHO ARE AT 450 TO 475. IF YOU TAKE 450 DIVIDED BY 32,
THAT'S JUST LESS THAN 14 HOURS A DAY OF STANDBY TIME. AND I'M WANTING TO HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT LOGISTICALLY HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.
>> 32, YOU GOT 32 THROUGH THE DATES. >> YES. THAT'S THE 7th OF JANUARY TO THE 8TH OF FEBRUARY. >> UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I'D BE GUESSING. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER. BUT I DO
BELIEVE THAT IN SITUATIONS IN WHICH WE ARE IN TROUBLE AS A CITY, WE MAKE EXEMPTIONS. EXCEPTIONS TO THE HOURS WORKED POLICY. ALL OF THOSE EXCTIONS HAVE TO COME UP TO OUR OFFICE
AND EMAILED SO WE HAVE RORD OF IT. I WAS DOING MOST OF THE EXC ANOTHER OFFICER COME IN THAT RECENTLY HAD AN EXCEPTION, I WOULD SAY NO, NOT THIS TIME. BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT MANAGING THE OVERALL HEALTH AND REST OF ALL THE PERSONNEL THAT
WERE ASSISTING US. SO I'M ONLY SURMISING THAT THAT IS SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS WHY IT'S NOT SQUARING WITH THE MATH THAT I'M SURE YOU HAVE CORRECT IS BECAUSE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS.
>> OKAY. SO DURING EMERGENCY TIMES, THERE'S THE CAPABILITY TO SUSPEND SOME OF THE HOURS WORKED RULES IN ORDER TO MEET NES. >> YES, SIR. YES, COUNCIL MEMBER, THROUGH THE CHAIR, THAT'S CORRECT.
>> OKAY. AND SO THEN IN THIS CASE YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS YOU. YOU WERE THE ONE WHO WAS GOING OVER THE EXEMPTIONS AND SAYING YES, TO THIS ONE. NO TO THAT ONE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN I'D
CHECK IN WITH THEIR SUPERVISOR AND SAY MAKE SURE YOU MANAGE THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF THIS EMPLOYEE. EVERY SINGLE TIME I HAD TO DO THAT. REALLY THE TOUGH TIMES WERE POST PRETTI'S MURDER.
AND I THINK POST THE SOLIS SHOOTING. THOSE WERE THENES WHERE WE WERE REALLY STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN. WE MISSED A COUPL OF THING THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE MISSED. AND IT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BED PEOPLE DOWN. GET THEM REST. GET THEM AWAY
FROM WEARING THIS UNIFORM FOR PERIODS OF TIME. AND IT COST US. HOME-TO-HOME SUITES IS ONE EXAMPLE. IT COST US IN THE WAY WE RESPONDED THAT AND THE WAY WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT HOTEL IN TIME.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND BETTER LIKE PHYSICALLY WHAT OFFICERS WERE DOING DURING THEIR OVERTIME,
DURING THIS PERIOD? >> CERTAINLY. YES. THE OFFICERS THAT WEREN'T ON THE SPECIALIZED GROUP -- SO SOME OF THE NON-OUTLIERS, BUT WE DID HAVE PEOPLE CALLED IN. WE WOULD PUT THEM INTO WHAT WE CALL STRIKE TEAMS. GROUPS THAT COULD RESPOND
TO A PROBLEM THAT WAS BOILING UP. WE'D PUT THEM IN THEY'RE NON-SPECIALIZED. ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE RIOT GEAR. THEY COULD GET FULLY TURTLED UP AND ASSIST. THEY STILL WOULD NEED TO BE LED BY SORT OF THE GROUND LEADERS OF FOLKS WHO HAVE HIGHLY
SPECIALIZED TRAINING THERE. AND THOSE FOLKS WOULD BE OUT IN AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE WE KNEW THATHERE WAS TENDER FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS AND PEOPLE THAT FELT VULNERABLE. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE'S -- WE REALLY WANTED
TO FLOOD THAT AREA, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT DAY. ALSO AROUND CITY HALL BECAUSE WE HAD SIMILAR THREATS AROUND CITY HALL WERE RELATED TO THAT INFLUENCER. SO WE DO COORDINATED WORK WITH EVERYBODY IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
WE'D ALSO PUT THEM TWO AT A TIME IN A HOTEL. THROUGHOUT THE HOTELS THAT EXPERIENCED THREATS. WHETHER IT WAS ONLINE THREATS OR REAL OR PERCEIVED. SO THAT OUR HOTEL GUESTS AND FRANKLY, WE HAVE A LOT OF RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR HOTEL MANAGERS AND FOLKS WHO
WORK AT THOSE HOTELS, THEY WERE BEING PENETRATED NIGHTLY BY FOLKS WHO WANTED TO DISTURB. WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OR NOT AT THAT HOTEL. IT SEEMED TO BE THE HOTEL THOUGHT THEY WERE
VULNERABLE. WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY WAS STAYING AND COULDN'T RECONCILE EVERYBODY. WE PUT OFFICERS IN THOSE PLACES. WE WOULD READY THEM JUST IN CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT SIDEWAYS IN THE DEMONSTRATIONS. THE DAMAGE TO PROPERTIES. MAKE SUREHE
FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS SAFE. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE 911 SERVICE TAKES UP A LARGE CHUNK OF OUR PERSONNEL EVERY DAY. AND ALTHOUGH, I DON'T THINK 911 REALLY WENT THROUGH THE ROOF DURING THIS PERIOD. I THINK IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT SO WE DID PUT EXTRA FOLKS IN THOSE ROLES
AS WELL. >> OKAY. SO DURING OPERATION METRO SURGE, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THE WAY THAT OVERTIME WAS SPENT WAS ON OFFICERS BEING IN DIFFERENT STRIKE GROUPS READY
TO DEPLOY, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, TO A SENSITIVE AREA OR SOTHING. SO A LOT OF OFFICERS DOING THAT. AND THEN A LOT OF OFFICERS -- A CERTAIN NUMBER DOING HOTEL SECURITY TWO AT A TIME IN A DIFFERENT DOWNTOWN HOTEL. IS
THAT CORRECT? AND THEN I THINK I'M MISSING A THIRD THING. >> YES. IF I COULD JUST -- IF I LOOK AT ALL MY DETAILED PLANS IN RETROSPECT, I COULD COME UP WITH A DOZEN OTHER THINGS THAT WE USED PEOPLE FOR. WE DIDN'T LIKE THIDEA OF THE PERSONNEL COMING
IN AND NOT BEING OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY IN SOME WAY. INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION. WE'VE GIN DETAILS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALMOST A SECONDARY PURPOSE IF WE DID CALL THEM IN. THEIR PRIMARY PURPOSE WOULD BE TO QUICKLY RESPOND TO SOMETHING IF IT HAPPENED. SECONDARILY, WE'D
GIVE THEM THESE OTHER ASSIGNMENTS TO MAKEURE THAT THEY WERE ACTIVE AND READY TO GO. BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT QUICK RESPONSE TO ALL THREE OF THE MAJOR EVENTS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. BUT THEN QUICK RESPONSE TO THE DEMONSTRATIONS O SOME NEEDS
WE'D HAVE WHETHER IT WAS HELPING WITH THE ROADS, MONITORING CAMERAS TO MAKE SURE SOME OF THESE AMAZING DEMONSTRATIONS THAT OCCURRED STARTED VERY CLOSE TO HERE, THEY'D MOVE THROUGH THE CITY TO MAKE SE THAT SAFETY WAS MAINTAINED. THAT WAS -- WE WOULD USE THE PERSONNEL IN THAT
REGARD. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP YOU OVER HERE JUST IN CASE TRAFFIC FINDS A WAY THROUGH. THEY HAD GREAT ROAD GUARDS BUT WE WEREN'T CONFIDENT EVERY DEMONSTRATION WAS GOING TO GO AS WELL AS IT DID, TO BE HONEST AND FRANK. THE DEMONSTRATIONS BROUGHT ROAD GUARDS. THEY
COMMUNICATED WITH US. WE WOULD SEND A LIAISON TEAM TO GO OUT, SOMETIMES I WOULD BE THAT PERSON, TO TALK WITH THE LEADER OF THE DEMONSTRATION TO MAKE SURE THEY FELT COMFORTABLE. IF THEY NEEDED ASSISTANCE. THOSE WERE THE THINGS WE WERE DOING. >> OKAY. MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD THING TO MARK FOR STAFF
FOLLOW-UP OF A MORE DETAILED REPORT ABOUT WHAT ACTIVITIES WERE BEING DONE DURING OVERTIME THROUGHOUT OPERATION METRO SURGE. OKA THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE VICE PRESIDENT OSMAN.
>> THANK YO DEPUTY, I APPRECIATE IT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. BUT I DO REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WORKLOAD THAT MPD WAS GIVEN. RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXTRA TIME HERE. BUT I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE
WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN OUR CITY. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT EXTREME. AND I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE WHERE THE CREDITS DUE. WHICH IS THE CHIEF AND POLICE, THEY WER
NOT JUST RESPONDING TO THIS MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, EXTREME EVENTS THAT WAS TAKING PLACE. BUT THEY ALSO KEPT THE PARTMENTS GOING. ANSWERING 911 CALLS. 500 -- 50,000 CALLS OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU STEPPED IN. I REMEMBER WHEN RENEE GOOD WAS MURDERED, I REMEMBER CHIEF BEING RIG THERE
IN THE MIDDLE. AND OFFICERS TRYING, YOU KNOW, BRING CALMNESS TO THE SITUATION WHEN YOU HAVE OVER 200 FEDERAL AGENCY THAT WERE NOT COMMUNICATING WITH YOU. THEY WERE NOT COMMUNICATING WITH YOU. THEY WERE NOT TELLING YOU WHERE YOU WERE COMING. I JUST
WANT TO THANK EVERY OFFICER WHO SPENT EXTRA TIME KEEPING OUR RESIDENTS SAFE RESPONDING TO THE THREATS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND HANDLING YOURSE IN THE MOST PROFESSIONAL WAY. I THINK A THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME WITH
THEIR WHISTLES, YOU KNOW, WERE AMAZING. OUR CITY DID N JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY OVERCOME THE THREATS, BUT OUR OFFICERS WERE AMAZING. AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE POLICE LEADERSHIP
FOR YOUR WORK. AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN OUR CITY. I REMEMBER EVEN DURING THAT TIME THERE WAS POLICY UPDATES YOU HAVE TO CREATE. I FOUND THAT OUT
OF WORK WITH FEDERAL AGENCY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION. YOUR UPFRONT COMMUNICATING WITH OUR RESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT TODAY.
SO THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, THROUGH THE CHAIR. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER -- OR COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. AND I FORGOT TO ASK THIS
QUESTION. SO THE CHIEF SAID IF YOU DID THE MATH ON THE 2019 OVERTIME, WHICH WOULD BE MAYBE A REASONABLE BASELINE. I COULDN'T REMEMBER, IT WAS LIKE 900 AND SOME FTE EQUIVALENT HOURS OF
WORK. SO THAT SUGGESTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD NO FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS BUT WE JUST HAVE OUR PEOPLE CONSTRAINTS OTHER THAN HOW MANY MORE OUTLIERS WOULD THERE BE IF PEOPLE WILLING TO WORK THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF OVERTIME POSSIBLE. AT SOME POINT
YOU HAVE TO SAY NO. AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT THAT APPROVAL PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU SIGN OFF ON CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT BIG PICTURE, IS IT THE MAYOR? IS IT THE
COMMISSIONER? IS IT THE CHIEF? IS IT YOUR ROLE? WHAT'S THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS OF WE DO NEED TO ACTIVATE THIS OVERTIME. THIS IS A MOMENT OF CRISIS. AND OBVIOUSLY DURING METRO SURGE, I MEAN, I REMEMBER GOING DOWN THERE THE MORNING THAT RENEE GOOD WAS KILLED, AND THAT FELT
LIKE A MOMENT OF CRISIS AND IT WAS VERY UNDERSTANDABLE WHY YOU WOULD HAVE ANSWERS ACTIVATED. BUT YOU KNOW, TODAY FEELS LIKE A NORMAL DAY, WHATEVER THAT MEANS IN MINNEAPOLIS. SO HOW MANY HOURS OF OVERTIME SHOULD WE BE WORKING NOW? IS IT LIKE A FORMAL
DECISION FRAMEWORK AROUND WHEN WE SHOULD REALLY START TURNING THOSE RESOURCES ON OR WHEN WE SHOULD BE MORE CONSERVATIVE ABOUT THAT? WHOSE DECISION IS THAT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THROUGH THE CHAIR, IN A MOMENT LIKE
THAT, WE KNOW WE NEED EVERYBODY POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL FOLKS. SO THAT ANSWER -- OR THAT QUESTION IS POSED QUICKLY AND IT COMES RIGHT FROM THE CHIEF. EVERYBODY'S COMING IN. MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND THEN WE SPIN UP EVERYTHING WE HAVE. AND IT'S NOT
ENOUGH. BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR US TO GET HELP FROM STATE PATROL AND OUR OTHER PARTNERS IN THE COUNTY, AND METRO TRANSIT AND SUBURBS. SO THAT'S THAT. SO WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY AGGRESSIVE IN THE PAST
FEW MONTHS EVER SINCE THIS OCCURRED IN TRIMMING OVERTIME COSTS AND THOSE DECISIONS ARE THE ADMINISTRATION COMING RIGHT FROM THE CHIEF, AGAIN, THAT WE ARE DIALING DOWN THIS TREND NEEDS TO GO DOWNWARD. AND I THINK WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO
THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW WE ARE. WE'RE WATCHING. DIRECTOR TROS TROSWICK BRANG UP MATERIALS. IN 2019, WE USED 400,000 MORE HOURS
OF POLICE TIME THAN WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS YEAR. YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST TALK ABOUT HOURS, BECAUSE DOLLARS IS DIFFICULT TO COMPARE THE TWO SEVEN YEARS APART. BUT WE'RE ON TREND FOR THAT. 375,200 HOURS FEWER POLICE
TIME SPENT BY OUR DEPARTMENT TO OPERATE THE SAME. >> ACTUALLY, CAN I CALL THE CHIEF UP? >> CERTAINLY. >> I THINK ALL OF THESE MATTERS ARE JUST JUDGMENT CALLS. AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THESE
DECISIONS HAVE TO LAND ON YOUR SHOULDERS AND YOU JUST HAVE TO USE YOUR WISEST JUDGMENT TO MAKE THE RIGHT CALL. YOU KNOW, BEING ON SITE FOR SOME OF THESE EVENTS WHETHER IT WAS THE NORTHSIDE, THE DAY RENEE WAS KILLED, THE
DAY ALEX PRETTI WAS KILLED. IT DIDN'T TAKE SOME SAGE GENIUS THAT THAT WAS A MOMENT OF CRISIS FOR ALL HANDS TO BE ON DECK. BUT I THINK I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE'RE NOT IN THAT MOMENT. RIGHT? WHAT IS THE DELIBERATIVE
PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE FOR MAKING SOME OF THESE DELIBERATE DECISIONS OF. EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THE MOMENT THAT WE WERE IN. BUT NOW I'M TRYING TO
LAYER IT INTO THE SIGNIFICANT OVERAGE WE WENT LAST YEAR. CERTAINLY DURING ANNUNCIATION, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE IT DIDN'T TAKE SOME SAGE GENIUS TO RECOGNIZE THE MOMENT WE WERE IN. IS THIS SOLELY ON YOUR SHOULDERS AND YOU
ARE MAKING THE BEST JUDGMENT CALL OR ARE YOU GETTING GUIDANCE FROM THE COMMISSIONER OR THE MAYOR REGARDING THE BIGGER OVERARCHING GOAL OF BALANCING OUR RESPONSE TIMES WITH MANAGING TO A BUDGET? >> YES. CHAIR, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, DURING THE EMERGENCY OF OPERATION METRO SURGE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATIONAL NEEDS WERE THE PRIORITY AND NOT THE POLICY. AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED
THOSE THREE SHOOTINGS. PART OF THE OTHER ISSUE I WAS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE EARLIER, ALL OF THOSE WERE UNEXPECTED. WHEN RENEE GOOD WAS KILLED IT WAS A MORNING ON A WEEKDAY. WE'VE GOT
INVESTIGATORS WORKING THERE, PEOPLE IN TRAINING, AT THE OFFICE. WE HAD PEOPLE AT WORK THAT WE COULD PUT THEM OUT ON THE STREET. WHEN MR. SOSA WAS SHOT, SOSA SOLIS WAS SHOT ON THE NORTHSIDE, IT WAS THE EVENING.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, INTEL THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE MARCHES OR DEMONSTRATIONS OR SOMETHING AT A HOTEL. WE WERE UNABLE TO GET HELP FAST FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES. SIMILAR KIND OF THING HAPPENED THAT SATURDAY MORNING WHEN MR.
PRETTI WAS SHOT. SO IT WAS -- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2020 AND THIS THING WAS WE WERE CONSTANTLY ON THE PRECIPICE OF JUST SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENING THAT WAS GOING TO PUSH US OFF THE CLIFF. SO THE PRIORITY WAS
ON THE OPERATIONAL NEED. GETTING PAST THAT NOW, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF, GENERALLY DOES NOT COME TO ME. THE EXPECTATION IS WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW A POLICY. THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES THERE'S OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT IT'S TO
ME IS JUST COMMON SENSE. WE HAVE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATORS THAT GET CALLED IN. THEY NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING THE CASE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE OFFICERS OUT ON A SCENE
THAT NEED TO STAY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. THAT'S THE EXPECTATION. BUT IT SHOULD BE HAPPENING LESS AND LESS AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD UP OUR CAPACITY WE'VE SWORN.
BUT METRO SURGE, I THINK ALL THAT WAS KIND OF OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE OF JUST THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE EMERGENCY. >> SO IF I WERE TO SAY THAT -- MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY -- ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, THE POLICY IS DRIVING THESE DECISIONS AND IT'S NOT
EVEN SHOWING UP ON YOUR DESK AS A CHOICE TO MAKE. >> YES. >> AND WHEN WE STEP OUTSIDE OF THOSE DAY-TO-DAY REALITIES AND WE HAVE SOMETHING REALLY UNEXPECTED, IT COMES UP TO YOUR DESK AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT CALL. IS THAT A CORRECT
WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT'S --? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I TOLD THE DEPUTY CHIEFS THAT THE COMMAND STAFF, WE JUST NEED TO GET THIS DONE. >> YEAH. >> THERE WAS LITERALLY JUST A STATE OF EMERGENCY. IT WAS A CONSTANT STATE OF EMERGENCY.
>> SO THEN YOU KNOW, IN THE YEAR PRECEDING METRO SURGE WHERE WE DID END UP IN THIS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT OVERAGE IN OVERTIME, THERE WAS NO -- IT SEEMED TO ME
LIKE THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS WERE DRIVING THOSE OUTCOMES MORE THAN ANY POLICY NECESSARILY. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, WERE ALL THOSE DECISIONS ON YOUR SHOULDERS OR WERE YOU IN COLLABORATION WITH YOUR SUPERIORS, THE COMMISSIONER AND THE MAYOR, WHEN IT CAME TO
GOING OUTSIDE OF THAT POLICY AND ULTIMATELY GOING OVER BUDGET IN THAT WAY? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THERE'S SPECIFIC THINGS WE CAN LAY OUT WHY THE OVERAGE OCCURRED. YOU KNOW, THE OVERTIME
BUDGET, EACH COUPLE OF YEARS, THE LINE FOR OVERTIME HAS GOTTEN SMALLER AND SMALLER. THAT'S WHY I EMAIL YOU EVERY WEEK BECAUSE IT'S GOTTEN SMALLER THIS YEAR. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THIS YEAR, FOR THE DIFFERENT MANAGERIAL CONTROLS WE HAVE IN PLACE, WE'VE CUT BACK VERY
SIGNIFICANTLY. I WOULD ESTIMATE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT ONE-THIRD LESS OVERTIME HOURS THIS YEAR. ONE-THIRD LESS. EVEN CONSIDERING THAT METRO SURGE HAPPENED. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE DONE TO TRY AND
DRIVE THAT DOWN. BUT THE REALITY IS WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BUDGET CONTINUING THAT WAY. THE MAIN DRIVER OF THAT IS THE LACK OF A FINANCIAL PLAN TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HIRING THAT'S BEEN MADE. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM
LAST YEAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT. IT'S STILL THE PROBLEM THIS YEAR. EVEN REDUCING OVERTIME, GETTING RID OF DOUBLE TIME, THE CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME. CUTTING BACK ABOUT A THIRD OF HOURS OVERTIME. THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THIS YEAR. WE STILL
HAVE THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE THE VACANCY SAVINGS WE USED TO HAVE YEAR AFTER YEAR POST 2020, WHEN WE JUST KEPT GOING DOWN IN SWORN MEMBERS. AND WE HAD A MUCH HIGHER OVERTIME LINE. BUT WE HAD ALL THE VACANCY SAVINGS. THE PROBLEM LAST YEAR
IS THE SAME AS THE PROBLEM THIS YEAR. WE NO LONGER HAVE THE VACANCY SAVINGS. WE HAVE THE MOST COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS WE'VE EVER HAD. WE'VE ADDED AN ENTIRE NEW CLASS OF CADETS. CADETS OF ADDITIONAL CLASS EACH
YEAR. BUT WE STILL HAVE OPERATIONAL VACANCIES. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT. THOSE QUESTIONS GOING FORWARD, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS. THERE ARE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH OCS AND WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM FOR THIS YEAR THAT WE HAD LAST
YEAR. >> YEAH. >> IT'S STILL THERE EVEN WITH THE REDUCTIONS THAT WE'VE MADE. >> I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE CONTROLS IS GOING TO HELP. I THINK WE ALSO JUST NEED TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT THESE
NUMBERS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST TOOK UP THE ROLLOVER REQUEST THIS YEAR AND THAT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT THAN PREVIOUS YEARS. MOST PEOPLE'S ROLLOVER REQUESTS JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE WAS
NO MONEY FOR IT TO ROLLOVER. PARTLY BECAUSE OF THESE OVERAGES. THAT WAS AN UNPLANNED CUT IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT DIDN'T GET THEIR ROLLOVER REQUESTS FULFILLED. I WOULD MUCH PREFER THAT WE AS AN INSTITUTION PROACTIVELY RECOGNIZE THAT AS A
DEPARTMENT. YOU'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE MAYOR BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE ENTIRE INSTITUTION TO REFLECT THAT REALITY. AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE MORE PLANFUL THAN WAITING UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME YOU IMPLEMENT CONTROLS TO KEEP THOSE COSTS DOWN.
>> YES. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. CHIEF, YOU MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED THIS IN COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE'S QUESTIONS. BUT I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF LIKE WHO CALLS THE OVERTIME? SO THE INCIDENT
YOU BROUGHT UP IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS, RIGHT, LIKE THERE WAS AN INCIDENT. IT WAS AT NIGHT. >> YUP. >> FOLKS CAME IN. AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF AFTERMATH FOLLOWING THAT. IT DOESN'T END THAT DAY. THERE'S DAYS AND DAYS AND DAYS OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS
THAT SPIRALED OUT OF THAT ONE EVENT. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHO ACTUALLY SAYS -- WHO ASSESSES IT AND SAYS WE NEED MORE FOLKS IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS BECAUSE OF THIS? >> YUP. CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU. IT STARTS WITH ME.
WHILE I WAS DRIVING UP LYNDALE AVENUE, AFTER I CALLED THE BCA, I CALLED THE STATE PATROL. AND HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY WAS SCARED BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY TROOPERS AVAILABLE. YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY ALSO HAD
COMMITMENTS. OUR NEIGHBORING TOWNS. NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES WERE WILLING TO ASSIST ANSWERING 911 CALLS. THEY WERE NOT WILLING TO COME TO A SCENE LIKE THE SCENE IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS. AND THEY WERE ONLY ABLE TO DO IT
WHEN THEY HAD THE STAFFING AND THEIR CALL VOLUME ALLOWED IT. IT WAS VERY, VERY UNPREDICTABLE. AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT AS A RESULT THAT KEPT HAPPENING.
SO I THINK IF -- I'M SORRY. I LOST LIKE -- I'M SORRY. IF YOU COULD JUST REPEAT THE QUESTION SPECIFICALLY. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AFTER THE INCIDENT STARTED, DID YOU MAKE THE CALL FOR OVERTIME
FOR THAT DAY? OR LIKE THE INSPECTOR OR THE PATROL -- LIKE WHO SAID WE NEED OVERTIME IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS. >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, I ASSEMBLED THE INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM WHO CAME TO -- WE WERE RUNNING THE COMMAND POST DOWNTOWN. GOT EVERYBODY IN. AND
I SAID TO RECALL EVERYONE THAT WE COULD. EVERYBODY PICK UP THE PHONE. BECAUSE IT WAS AN EMERGENCY. AND WE JUST -- I KNEW WE WERE NOT GOING TO GET THE HELP, A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF HELP FROM OTHER AGENCIES. THAT
WAS MY CALL. GET EVERYONE YOU POSSIBLY CAN IN HERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. >> IS THAT IN COORDINATION WITH THE INSPECTOR AND THE SERGEANTS AND THE LIEUTENANTS AND EVERYONE THAT IS IN LEADERSHIP. BECAUSE THAT'S THE 4TH PRECINCT. SO WHAT IS THEIR ROLE IN HOW THAT PLAYS
OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS OR DAYS OR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, SO THAT WAS PLAY OUT THROUGH THE INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM NOT JUST NORTH MINNEAPOLIS TO BRING PEOPLE IN FROM THE 4TH PRECINCT. BUT THEY NEED TO BE SUPPORTED BY EVERYBODY. SO INVESTIGATIONS, THEY'LL COME IN. YOU KNOW, ALL
THE SPECIALTY TEAMS. LIKE ALL THE DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE WOULD BE CONTACTED THROUGH THEIR CHAIN OF COMMAND. >> SO THEN DO THEY GET ASSIGNMENT SPECIFICALLY TO THE NORTHSIDE OR IS IT JUST WE NEED THE SPECIALTY TEAM TO HELP WITH
AN INVESTIGATION OF WHAT HAPPENED VERSUS LIKE SOMEONE AT -- I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT AREA WAS IN A BAD WAY FOR SOME DAYS. AND I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS 4TH PRECINCT OR WHOMEVER. BUT LIKE IN THE MORNING, I WENT OVER LIKE 5:00 IN THE MORNING.
THERE WAS PUBLIC WORKS WAS THERE CLEANING UP ALL THE TRASH. BECAUSE THERE WAS TRASH ALL OVER THE STREETS. SO PUBLIC WORKS CAME IN. I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE POLICE OFFICERS THERE AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN PUBLIC WORKS GOT THERE. AND THEN I ALSO NOTICED LIKE IN THE NEXT FEW
DAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, ON LYNDALE KIND OF IN THAT AREA I WOULD SEE POLICE CARS. SO WAS THAT COORDINATED BY THIS TEAM OR INSPECTOR? HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M SURE THE INSPECTOR WAS INVOLVED IN THE COORDINATION. BUT ALL THE
MAJOR EVENTS WERE RUN OUT OF THE INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM. >> SO THAT'S LIKE THE LARGER GROUP. WE HAVE SOMETHING HAPPENING IN THE CITY, WE GATHER IN A LEADERSHIP FORMAT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH EACH INCIDENT. >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, YES.
AND IN PARTICULAR, GETTING THE SUPPORT THAT'S NEEDED FROM ALL OF THESE SPECIALTY TEAMS AND OUTSIDE UNITS. >> OKAY. AND MY LAST QUESTION, CHIEF. IF WE NEED LIKE THE SHARE FOR WHOMEVER TO COORDINATE, IS THAT A CHIEF THING OR SOMEBODY IN THAT TEAM IS ASSIGNED TO DO
THAT? >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S BOTH. THE SHERIFF WAS WITH US THROUGHOUT THIS. BUT LIKE THE OTHER AGENCIES HAD, YOU KNOW, OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. >> SO THE SPECIALTY TEAM IS MPD
NOT LIKE A ROOM WITH ALL DIFFERENT KIND OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. >> CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM, NOT EVERY SINGLE DAY, BUT DAYS THAT WE HAD LARGE INCIDENTS OR DAYS WE KNEW IN ADVANCE SOMETHING BIG WAS GOING TO HAPPEN HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THERE FROM
THE STATE, HENNEPIN COUNTY, RAMSEY COUNTY, EMS, FIRE, EVERYBODY. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. EVERYBODY. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITING. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A
QUESTION JUST KIND OF WALKING THROUGH FOR DC CUCCO. PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES. SORRY IF THIS IS A LITTLE ELEMENTARY. JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE HOW YOU ALL GO ABOUT YOUR METHODOLOGY. THERE WAS A LOT OF
POLICY BAKED INTO HERE. I KIND OF WANT TO WALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT. PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES, AND YOU NOTED, ONCE AN OFFICER GOES OVER 40 HOURS A WEEK, THAT'S WHEN THEY START TO ACCUMULATE KIND OF THAT OVERTIME POLICY. IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN
THAT. IT'S CLOSE. BUT WE SCHEDULE THEM IN 28-DAY INCREMENTS. THAT'S FOUR WEEKS. SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT BE SCHEDULED FOR SIX DAYS IN A GIVEN WEEK. SO THOSE 60 HOURS, BECAUSE THEY'RE 10-HOUR SHIFTS. THEY WOULD ALL BE ON REGULAR
DUTY TIME. WE CALL IT REG DUTY. BEYOND THOSE SHIFTS THAT THEY WERE SCHEDULED, THAT'S WHEN OVERTIME WOULD KICK IN. >> GREAT. HELPFUL. I KINDA WANTED TO CHAT LIKE OUR LIMITATION ON HOURS WORKED POLICY. A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS
HAS RAISED CONCERN HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY DO THIS IN A DAY. I KNOW WE HAVE POLICIES, 300-310 ON LIMITATION TO WORK. YOU CAN'T WORK MORE THAN 160 HOURS TOTAL IN A PAY PERIOD. AND THEN IF THEY DO THAT, THAT EXEMPTION
GOES TO WHOEVER THE CHIEF OR THE DC IN THAT CASE. IN THESE INSTANCES, DID YOU SEE A LOT OF KIND OF EXEMPTIONS THAT YOU HAD TO MAKE OUTSIDE OF THAT 160-HOUR WORK LIMITATION DURING OPERATION METRO SURGE?
>> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL MEMBER, NO, THAT PARTICULAR EXEMPTION OF THE THREE MAIN WORK RULES WASN'T INVOKED VERY OFTEN. THE BIGGER EXCEPTION WOULD BE THEY NEED TO GO BEYOND 16 HOURS.
BY AN HOUR OR TWO BASED ON WHAT WE WERE SEEING OR WHAT TIME THEY WERE CALLED IN. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO HELP CLARIFY THERE WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE ISN'T NECESSARILY DEPENDING -- THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF EXEMPTIONS COMING TO YOUR DESK OR THE
CHIEF'S DESK. THAT THIS IS WITHIN THE REALMS OF MPD'S POLICY THAT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED. THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WASN'T KIND OF CREATING A HIGHER LEVEL OF WORRY FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT.
>> CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND COUNCIL MEMBER, THERE WERE MORE THAN I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH. I WAS CONCERNED WITH IT. YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPERATIONALLY CAN JUSTIFY IT. BUT I WANT THEM TO GO DOWN. I DIDN'T LIKE THE FREQUENCY, AND I WAS MONITORING THEM CAREFULLY.
>> YEAH. I GUESS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE HAVING BEEN ON THE FORCE FOR A WHILE, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU JUST NOTED IN THE 2019 NUMBERS WE WERE GOING TO SURPASS 400,000 OFFICER HOURS COMPARATIVELY. IS THAT SOMETHING
THAT IN THESE SITUATIONS WE PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT MANY OFFICERS FILLING THAT EXEMPTION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER THROUGH THE CHAIR, OF COURSE, WE WOULD HAVE 880 OFFICERS INSTEAD OF THE 500
OR 600 THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH. THAT WERE FULL ABLE-BODIED AVAILABLE. >> PERFECT. THAT IS HELPFUL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND THEN I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR
YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BREAK OUT THE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF OVERTIME, AND THAT .5 STANDBY MEANS THAT YOU NEED TO BE READY AND YOU HAVE TO
RESPOND, BE FULLY EQUIPPED TO DO YOUR JOB WITHIN 60 MINUTES. IS THAT THE SAME 60 MINUTES FOR .25 STANDBY OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU NEED TO BE READY TO RESPOND IN?
>> COUNCIL CHAIR, THAT IS THE SAME NUMBER. THE EXPECTATION IS THAT OR QUICKER. IN SOME OF THOSE .25, IT'S FROWNED UPON IF THEY TAKE THE FULL HOUR TO GET THERE. BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED THEIR EQUIPMENT. THEY DON'T NEED
THE RESOURCING LIKE A STRIKE TEAM OFFICER WOULD NEED. THEY NEED THE SKILLS THAT WE'VE TRAINED THEM WITH TO GET TO A SCENE OF A SHOOTING AS QUICK AS THEY CAN. SO WE HOPE FOR THAT RESPONSE TO BE -- IT COULD BE 20 MINUTES, IT COULD BE 10 DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
>> YEAH. THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. AND I ACTUALLY, I FOUND I REALLY WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE HISTOGRAMS THAT LOOK AT OVERTIME AND STANDBY HOURS WORKED OVER
THE COURSE OF TIME, AND REALLY DETAILING OUT WHAT NUMBER OF OFFICERS IS WORKING. THE DIFFERENT RANGES. IT REALLY HELPS PUT INTO PICTURE THE STATE OF OR REALLY ADD SOME CONTEXT TO
OVERTIME COSTS IN THE 32 DAYS FROM JANUARY 7TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 8TH THAT ARE INCLUDED HERE. WHICH I THINK LINES UP ABOUT FIVE WORK WEEKS BASED ON THE CHARTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED IN YOUR PRESENTATION. SOMETHING
THAT I -- ISN'T NECESSARILY FOR YOU TO ANSWER HERE BUT HAS REALLY STRUCK ME IN THIS DISCUSSION, IN THIS PRESENTATION, IS THE VOLUME OF OFFICERS THAT WERE COMPENSATED
SOME AMOUNT OF STANDBY PAY, AND HOW SIGNIFICANT THOSE STANDBY HOURS WERE. SO FOR 118 OFFICERS, THEY WORKED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
250 AND 475 HOURS OF STANDBY OVER THOSE 32 DAYS. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT TO ME BECAUSE FOR 118 OFFICERS, THEY WERE BEING COMPENSATED FOR STANDBY PAY FOR SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 8 AND 14 HOURS
EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM JANUARY 7TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 8TH, RIGHT? PUT THAT INTO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU GIVE US IN ONE OF YOUR EARLIEST SLIDES ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN OF HOURLY PAY. AND THEN THE AVERAGE
RATE FOR .5 STANDBY, THE AVERAGE RATE FOR .25 STANDBY. AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW IN THE HISTOGRAMS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED WHICH ONE OF THOSE 12 PEOPLE THAT WORKED BETWEEN 450 AND 475 HOURS OR WERE COMPENSATED 450 TO
475 HOURS OF STANDBY PAY WHICH ARE AT THE RANK OF OFFICER, WHICH ARE AT THE RANK OF SERGEANT, WHICH E AT THE RANK OF LIEUTENANT. BUT THERE ARE 118 OFFICERS WHO RECEIVED SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN -- JUST USING THEIR HOURLY RATES PROVIDED BY YOU -- SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $8,000 AND $20,000 WTH OF STANDBY PAY IN ONE MONTH ALONE IS LIKE --
THAT'S ASTRONOMICAL. THAT'S INSANE. I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER WORD OTHER THAN INSANE TO DESCRIBE JUST THE STANDBY PAY RECEIVED. JUST TO BE READY TO WORK, YOU RECEIVE $20,000 OVER THE COURSE OF ONE MONTH NOT FOR
ACTUAL WORK DONE. YOU KNOW. THAT IS MIND BOGGLING. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. SO WANT TO THANK MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE WENT THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY
AGENDA. I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT CAME IN RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS COMMITTEE AND ARE STILL HERE TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THROUGH YOUR ITEM. WITH THAT, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO FILE THIS REPORT. AND SEEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, WE STAND
ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.