>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS AISHA CHUGHTAI AND I'M CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER OUR REGULAR -- OUR MEETING FOR MONDAY, DECEMBER 8,TH, 2025. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING I WANT TO OFFER A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO ALL MEMBERS, STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC
THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE BROADCAST LIVE T ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THESE BROADCASTS INCLUDE REALTIME CAPTIONING AS A FURTHER METHOD TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OU PROCEEDINGS TO THE COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT
OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO MODERATE THE SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENTS. AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE CLE TO CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. >> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE. >> PRESENT.
>> WONSLEY. >> PRESENT. >> RAINVILLE. >> PRESENT. >> VETAW. >> PRENT. >> ELLISON IS ABSENT. OSMAN IS ABSENT. CASHMAN. >> PRESENT. >> JENKINS IS ABSENT. CHAVEZ. >> PRESENT. >> CHOWDHURY. >> PRESENT.
>> PALMISANO. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR CASKY. >> PRESENT. >> AND CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> PRESENT. >> THAT IS TEN MEMBERS PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. I WILL ALSO REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE WILL BE USING SPEAKER MANAGEMENT
TODAY, SO PLEASE MAKE SURE TOSIY COLLEAGUES THAT WE HAVE A PACKED SCHEDULE TODAY, AND WE'LL NEED TO UTILIZE OUR TIME WISELY. BEFORE WE RESUME BUDGET MARKUP, WE HAVE TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS REGARDING
COMPENSATION OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS FOR TERMS BEGINNING JANUARY 2026.=INVITE CITY CLERK -- I WILL INVITE CITY CLERK CASEY CARL TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. >> THANK YOU, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. MAY IT PLEASE THE COITTEE I'M STATED AS HERE TO ADDRESS COMPENSATION FOR THE
MAYOR'S AND COUNCILMEMBERS FOR THE NEXT ELECTIVE TERM, WHICH STARTS IN JUST 26 DAYS. AS INDICATED IN YOUR BRIEFING MATERIALS, THE SUBJECT OF COMPENSATION FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EACH JURISDICTION'S GOVERNING BODY. THAT'S PROVIDED UNDER
CHAPTER 744 OF MINNESOTA SESSION LAWS OF 1971. SPECIFICALLY, THAT LAW PROVIDES THAT COMPENSATION IS TO BE SET IN THE FINAL YEAR OF AN ELECTIVE TERM, AND IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE IN THE NEXT SUCCEEDING TERM. THE LAW ALSO STIPULATES NO CHANGE CAN
THEN BE MADE IN THE LEVEL OF COMPENSATION DURING AN ELECTIVE TERM. NEITHER TO INCREASE NOR TO DECREASE THE RATE OF COMPENSATION FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO COMPENSATION FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ALL CITIES CAN ONLY BE SET AT THE CONCLUSION OF ONE ELENGTHIVE
TERM. IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT ELECTIVE TERM. SO UNLIKE WITH OUR EMPLOYEES WHERE WE DO THE SALARY SETTING EVERY YEAR AS PART OF THE BGET, THERE IS ONLY ONE TIME TO DO THAT FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS. IN 2019, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-44 WAS
ENACTED, CODIFIED UNDERSTAND SECTION 14-POINT -- UNDER SECTION 14.60 OF THE CITY' CODE OF ORDINANCES WHICH PRESCRIBES THE PROCESS TO CONSIDER ANY COMPENSATION TO BE PAID TO THE MAYOR OR COUNCILMEMBERS, AND UNDER THAT PART OF THE CODE, COMPENSATION IS TO BE SET BY A RESOLUTION THAT'S CONSIDERED
FIRST BY THE COUNCIL'S STANDING COMMITTEE HAVING OVERSIGHT OF THE CITY BUDGET, PRIOR TO ANY FINAL FORMAL ACTION BY THE FULL COUNCIL AS PART OF THE ADOPTED OPERATING BUDGET. IN 2021, A 2% INCREASE IN SALARY WASPPROVED FOR MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS,
WHICH TOOK EFFECT IN THE TERM STARTING JANUARY 2022. AT THAT SAME TIME, COUNCILMEMBER DIRECTED THE CLERK T CONDUCT AN ANALYSIS OF ELECTED OFFICIAL COMPENSATION IN PEER JURISDICTIONS GIVEN THE CHANGE IN THE CITY'S GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED THAT SAME YEAR BY VOTERS. IN
RESPONSE TO THAT DIRECTIVE, THE CITY ENGAGED AN OUTSIDE AGENCY, GUIDEHOUSE, TO CONDUCT THE ANALYSIS OF COMPARABLE PEER JURISDICTIONS. GUIDE HOUSE EVALUATED COMPENSATION PAID TO THE MAYORS AND COUNCILMEMBERS OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS THAT SHARED
THE FOLLOWING KEY FEATURES. FIRST, EACH OF THOSE CITIES MUST OPERATE UNDER A CHARTER THATDEFS BEING THE JURISDICTION'S CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITH SIMILAR SCOPES OF POWERS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS THOSE PROVIDED FOR THE MAYOR OF
MINNEAPOLIS. SECOND, EACH Y JURISDICTION MUST HAVE A FULL-TIME LEGISLATIVE ABADI, COUNCIL, THAT HAS LEGISLATIVE POLICYMAKING AND OVERSIGHT POWERS PROVIDED TO NOSE FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL, AND THIRD, EACH JURISDICTION MUST HAVE A POPULATION SIMILAR TO MINNEAPOLIS, MEANING THAT IF HAS A SIMILAR -- IT HAS A SIMILAR
GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT OR GDP, A GROWING POPULATION OR ONE WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS A GREER MINNEAPOLIS ST. PAUL PARTNERSHIP PEER CITY. UNDER THE CON RULE, ALSO MINNESOTA STATUTES 205.84, THE CITY COUNCIL EXPERIENCED TWO CONSECUTIVE TWO-YEAR TERMS TO
ADJUST FOR THE REDISTRICTING OF POPULATION FOLLOWING THE 2020 CENSUS. THEREFORE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL QUALIFIED FOR A POTENTIAL INCREASE AGAIN FOR ITS CURRENT TERM IN 2024-2025. HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THAT FIRST SURVEY OF PEER JURISDICTIONS, IT WAS FOUND THAT
MINNEAPOLIS COUNCILMEMBERS WERE PAID AT MORE THAN 130% OF THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR ALL OF OUR PEER CITIES. THE AVERAGE SALARY PAID TO COUNCILMEMBERS IN THE POOL OF COMPARABLE CITIES AT THAT TIME WAS $81,330, WHEREAS MINNEAPOLIS COUNCILMEMBERS WERE
PAID $109,846, A DIFFERENCE OF JUST OVER $28,000. SO IN RESPONSE AT THAT TIME,HE COUNCIL DECIDED THAT IT WOULD NOT TAKE A SALARY INCREASE FOR THE 2024-2025 TERM. IN PREPARATION FOR CONSIDERING SALARIES FOR THE NEXT ELECTIVE TERM, THAT WHICH BEGINS IN 2026,
THE CITY ONCE AIN ENGAGED GUIDEHOUSE TO CONDUCT A VERY SIMILAR SURVEY OF SELECT PEER CITIES TO INFORM RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COMPENSATION TO BE PAID TO THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL STARTING IN 2026. THIS PRESENTATION WILL SUMMARIZE THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY AND
PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS. FOR THIS YEAR'S SURVEY, WE FOUND ONCE AGAIN TO FOCUS ON PEER SELECTIONS OF COMPARABLE JURISDICTIONS THAT SHARED THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS. THAT IS, CITIES ORGANIZED UNDER A HOME RULE CHARTERITH AN EXECUTIVE MAYOR A FULL-TIME LEGISLATIVE
COUNCIL, WITH SIMILAR ECONOMIC SCALE. TO BE CLEAR, WE ALSO DID INCLUDE A FEW CITIES THAT DO NOT MEET THESE CRITERIA, BUT WE DID SO FOR SPECIFIC REASONS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN BOTH THE 2023 AND 2025 SURVEYS WE'VE INCLUDED THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL. EVEN THOUGH
THAT CITY HAS A PART-TIME COUNCIL. WE DID SO BAUSE OF ITS CLOSE PROXIMITY AND BECAUSE IT IS A FIRST CLASS CHARTER CITY IN THE STA OF MINNESOTA, WHICH OFFERS IMPORTANT COMPARESONS. WEE ALSO INCLUDED DENVER AND SAN FRANCISCO, DESPITE THE FACT THAT BOTH OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS
ARE CONSOLIDATED CITY-COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEIR ESSENTIAL FORM IS A STRONG MAYOR COUNCIL SYSTEM WITH PARALLELS TO THE STRUCTURE HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. WE ALSO INCLUDED WASHINGTON, D.C., EVEN THOUGH IT IS A COMPLETELY UNIQUE GOVERNMENT BEING THE NATION'S ONLY CONSOLIDATED CITY-COUNTY,
AND STATE SYSTEM THAT OPERATES DIRECTLY UNDER THE THUMB OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS. ANOTHER COMPARABLE CITY THAT WAS IN BOTH THE 2023 AND 2025 SURVEYS IS PORTLAND. IN THE FIRST SURVEY, PORTLAND STILL OPERATED UNDER ITS COMMISSION FORM OF GOVERNMENT. HOWEVER, IN 2022,
PORTLANDOTERS OPTED TO CHANGE TO A STRONG MAYOR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT SIMILAR TO MINNEAPOLIS MAKING THOSE RESULTS EVEN MORE RELEVANT TO OUR CONSIDERATION TODAY. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, A TOTAL OF 22 -- I'M SORRY, ADVANCED IT 2TOO FAST. AS YOU CAN SEE ON
SLIDE 22 CITIES WERE SECTED FTHE SURVEY. WE RECEIVED RESPONSES FROM 19 OF THE 22 CITIES GIVING U A RESPONSE RATE OF 86%. THE ACCOMPANYING MAP ON THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE LOCATION FOR ALL OF THE CITIES AND USES COLORS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE WHERE RESPONSES WE RECEIVED. SO I'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH STARTS THE
COMPENSATION ANALYSIS FOR MAYOR. AS THIS TABLE SHOWS, THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR HAS A SALARY OF $140,814. WHICH WAS SET IN 2021. AMONG THE 18 CITIES THAT WERE PART OF THE COMRIRRATIVE POOL THE AVERAGE MAY ORAL SALARY
IS $197,565 WHICH MEANS THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR IS ABOUT $56,000 SHY OF THE AVERAGE PAID IN THE LIST OF PEER CITIES WHICH PUTS THE MAYOR OF MINNEAPOLIS AT THE BOTTOM 15% OF THE RESPONDING CITIES. THAT'S USING TODAY'S DATA. GUIDEHOUSE ALSO INQUIRED
ABOUT KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED SALARY INCREASES FOR THESE SAME CITIES THAT WOULD START IN 2026, AND AS SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE, 16 OF THE 19 PEER CITIES, WHICH IS THE VAST MAJORITY, HAVE REPORTED KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED INCREASES FOR THEIR MAYORAL COMPENSATION
THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT EITHER IN 2025, 2026, OR 2027. IN FACT IN 10 OF THOSE PEER CITIES THAT RATE THAT ALREADY BEDEFINED RANGING BETWEEN 2 AND 3% INCREASE. THE LARGEST INCREASES IN MAYORAL SALARIES IN THE COARATIVE CITIES ARE FOR ATLANTA AND BOSTON AT 16% AND
20% RESPECTIVELY. BASED ON THOSE KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED SALARY INCREASES, THE ADJUSTED AVERAGE SALARY THAT WILL BE PAID TO MAYORS IN COMPARABLE CITIES WILL INCREASE TO ABOUT $205,998 IN 2026 THAT MEANS THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR WOULD BE MORE THAN $65,000 BELOW THE AVERAGE
IF NO CHANGE IN COMPENSATION IS PROVIDED FOR THE NEXT TERM. THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE SALARY DATA FOR COMPARABLE CITIES IN 2025. SO THESE ARE THE CURRENT SALARY RATES PAID TO MAYORS IN OUR SELECT PEER JURISDICTIONS. THE CITIES ARE LISTED BY SALARY
FROM LOWEST TO HIGHEST, ALONG THE X ACAXIS WITH AMOUNTS SHOWN ON THE I DIDN Y AXIS. $198,000. YOU CAN SEE MINNEAPOLIS IS SECOND FROM LOWEST IN THIS LIST WITH ONLY OMAHA'S MAYOR BEING PAID A
SLIGHTLY LOWER AMOUNT. THE OMAHA MAYOR IS PAID A 2025 SALARY OF $136,942, WHICH IS A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT $38 FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR. AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM OF COURSE YOU SEE SAN FRANCISCO, THE MAYOR THERE IN 2025 IS PAID
A SALARY OF $320,831, WHICH IS MORE THAN $180,000 DIFFERENCE FROM THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR. AND EVEN ACROSS THE RIVER IN ST. PAUL, THE MAYOR'S 2025 SALARY IS $153,579 WHICH IS
ABOUT $12,000 MORE PER YEAR THAN THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR. HERE WE'VE SUMMARIZED THE KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED INCREASES IN MAYORAL SALARIES STARTED IN 2026,HICH I REFERENCED EARLIER. AND AS STATED IN THE CALLOUT ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE MAYORAL SALARY FOR PEER CITIES
WILL INCREASE TO ABOUT $206,000 NEXT YEAR. THIS DINCHENTIAL IS SHOWN IN THE LIGHTER GREEN HASH MARKS ON THE SLIDE FOR THE CITIES WHERE IT'S KNOWN AND AGAIN AT THE LOWEST END THE OMAHA MAYOR'S ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE
$140,088 WHICH PUTS THE OMAHAMAO MINNEAPOLIS STARTING SALARY STARTING NEXT YEAR. AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM THE COLUMBUS MAYOR IS ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE AN INCREASE THAT WILL RAISE THAT SALARY TO MORE THAN $274,000, WHICH IS MORE THAN $133,000 GREATER THAN THE CURRENT RATE PAID TO THE
MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR. SO BASED ON CURRENT SALARY, AS KNOWN AND AS ANTICIPATED WITH THESE INCREASES, AMONG THE LIST OF PEER CITIES THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR IS COMPENSAT AT SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER LEVELS IN COMPARISON TO THOSE MAYORS IN THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS. HERE ARE THE COMPARESUB IS BETWEEN
MAYOR AND COUNCIL SALARIES FOR EACH PEER CITY. USING A CURRENT DATA FOR 2025 IN ALL CASES. SO THIS SLIDE THEN SHOWS THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN AN EXECUTIVE MAYOR AND THEIR COUNCILMEMBERS SALARIES IN OUR COMPARABLE JURISDICTIONS. MAYORAL SALARIES ARE SHOWN IN
GREEN WHILE THE COUNCIL SALARIES ARE SHOWN IN BLUE. AT A GLANCE YOU CAN SEE THAT MAYORS ARE COMPENSATED AT HIGHER AMOUNTS IN ALL JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING MINNEAPOLIS. THIS IS TO BE EXPECTED FOR THESE TYPES OF GOVERNMENT STRUCTURES, IN WHICH THE YOR IS DESIGNATED THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITH CONTROL OVER THE JURISDICTION'S BUREAUCRACY AND ITS D
DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS. HOWEVER, THE DIFFERENCE BWEEN THE SALARIES VARIES AMONG THE RESPONDING CITIES. AT THE EXTREME IN SAN FRANCISCO IN COLUMBUS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAY ORAL AND COUNCIL SALARIES IS
$184,937 AND $152,460 RESPECTIVELY. CLOSER TO THE MIDDLE OF THE RANGE IN ATLANTA, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SALARIES IS ABOUT $119,629, WITH THE ATLANTA MAYOR MAKING $195,390, AND EACH OF THEIR
COUNCILMEMBERS MAKING $75,761. AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM IN OMAHA THE MAYOR MAKES $136,942 PER YEAR, WHILE EACH OF THEIR SEVEN CITY COUNCILMEMBERS MAKE $51,609. SO THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAYOR AND
COUNCIL UNEXCESS OF $85,000 PER YEAR. PORTLAND HERE MAKES AN INCREASING CASE AS I NOTED EARLIER BECAUSE IT ALSO TRANSITIONED TO AN EXECUTIVE MAYOR MODEL IN 2022, WHICH WAS BASED ON A VOTER APPROVED AMENDMENT TO ITS CHARTER EXACTLY AS HAPPENED HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS THE PRIOR YEAR, IN 2021, DUE TO
ITS VOTERPPROVED GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE CHANGE, AN EXTERNAL SALARY SETTING COMMISSN WAS APPOINTED TO CONSIDER APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND BECAUSE THE MAYOR BECAME THE CITY'S CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, THAT COMMISSION INCREASED COMPENSATION FOR THE MAYORAL
POSITION BY ALMOST 19% FROM APPROXIMATELY $149,000 BEFORE THE RESTRUCTURING TO MORE THAN $177,000 TODAY. BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THE RESTRUCTURE, THE PORTLAND MAYOR WAS PAID MORE THAN THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR. AND FO COMPARATIVE PURPOSES THE COMMISSION SET PAY FOR
COUNCILMEMBERS AT $135,000, A DIFFERENCE OF 41,000 BETWEEN MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN PORTLAND TODAY. AS SHOWN HERE, EVEN IBST. PAUL THERE IS A MARKED DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAYOR AND COUNCIL PAY. NOTING AGAIN, HOWEVER THAT THE ST. PAUL CITY COUNCIL IS A PARTTIME POSITION AND MINNEAPOLIS IS NOT. BUT
EVEN STIN PAUL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAYOR AND COUNCIL PAY IS APPROXIMATELY $76,000. AMONG ALL THE COMPAY TFN PEEVE CITIES THE DIFFERENCE IN SALARY IN MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN MINNEAPOLIS IS THE SMALLEST AND AGAIN WITH THE MAYOR MAKING ABOUT $140,000 AND COUNCILMEMBERS
MAKING $109,000 THAT MEANS THE DIFFERENCE IN SALARS HERE IS $30,968. THIS SLIDE SWITCHES OUR FOCUS TO CITY COUNCIL SHOWING AN OVERVIEW OF PAY FOR COUNCILS INCLUDED IN THE 2025 SURVEY. AS THE TABLE ON THIS SLIDE SHOWS, MINNEAPOLIS CITY
COUNCILMEMBERS RECEIVED A SALARY OF $109,846. WHICH WAS UNCHANGED FROM THE PRIOR TWO YEAR TERMS COVERING 2022-2023, AND WHICH WAS ACTUALLY SET CLEAR BACK IN 2021. AMONG THE 15 CITIES THAT WERE PART OF THE COARATIVE POOL, THE AVERAGE
COUNCIL SALARY IS $105,908. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE MINNEAPOLIS COUNCILMEMBERS ARE ABOUT $4,000 ABOVE THE AVERAGE SALARY PAID TO OUR PEER CITIES, RANKING IN THE TOP 60% OF ALL OF OUR RESPONDING CITIES. AND AS WITH THE MAYORAL COM PIRPAIRSON
THAT'S USING TODAY'S DATA. GUIDEHOUSE ALSO DID INQUIRE ABOUT KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED SALARY INCRECREASES FOR COUNCILS STARTING IN 2026. AND AS SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE STARTING IB2026, THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR COUNCILS WILL INCREASE TO ABOUT $112,000 PER YEAR. SO IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THE CURRENT
RATE PAID TO CITY COUNCILMEMBERS. AND THE SUGGESTED THE SALARY FOR CITY COUNCILMEMBERS WILL STILL BE IN ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE OVERALL RANGE OF OUR PEER CITIES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT ELECTIVE TERM IN JANUARY. AS INDICATED ON THIS SLIDE, SEVEN OF THE RESPONDING CITIES INDICATED THAT THE KNOWN PAY INCREASE FOR THEIR
COUNCILS HAD ALREADY BEEN DEFINED AND WOULD BE LESS THAN 5% OF THE CURRENT RATE, JUST LIKE WITH MAYORAL COMPARISON, THE LARGEST INCREASE FOR COUNCILSET SALARIES ARE IN ATLANTA AND COLUMBUS AT 38% AND 13% RESPECTIVELY. THIS SLIDE
SHOWS THE RANGE OF COUNCIL COMPENSATION AMONG COMPARABLE CITIES WITH JURISDICTIONS LITZED FROM LOWEST TO -- LISTED FROM LOWEST TO HIGHEST AT THE AT THE BOTTOM. $106,000 AS I'VE ALREADY STATED SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MINNEAPOLIS COUNCIL
RANS AT THE UPPER END OF THE MIDDLE OF THIS RANGE. AT THE EXTREMES, THE WASHINGTON, D.C., COUNCIL PAYS ALL 13 OF ITS MEMBERS $150,308, WHILE IN SEATTLE THE NINE COUNCILMEMBERS EACH MAKE $148,000 PER YEAR, IN
CONTRAST THEINE COUNCILMEMBERS IN COLUMBUS MAKE $88,000, AND ATLANTA THE 16 COUNCILMEMBERS RECEIVE $75,000 IN COMPENSATION, AND THEN IN OMAHA AT THE OTHER EXTREME, THE SEVEN COUNCILMEMBERS EACH MAKE $51,609 SO THERE IS QUITE A RANGE REPRESENTED AMONGST THE
PEER CITIES FOR CITY COUNCIL. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SAME DATA BUT STARTING IN 2026. SHOWING BOTH KNOWN AND ANTICIPATED CREASES AGAIN FROM LOWEST TO HIGHEST ALONG THE BOTTOM AXIS. YOU C SEE IN THE CALLOUT HERE THAT THE AVERAGE TO BE PAID IN
2026 IS GOING TO BE ROUGHLY $112,000 AND ASPRIEVEBROUSLY STATED WE DID INCLUDE ST. PAUL HERE DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PART-TIME COUNCIL. I THINK THE KEY TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT IF NO INCREASE IS PLANNED FOR COUNCILMEMBERS IN MINNEAPOLIS, THE CURRENT PAY RATE WOULD MEAN OUR OFFICIALS HERE WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE RANGE WOULD SLIDE TO THE LOWER END OF THAT MIDDLE. SO WE WOULD GO ALMOST A FULL DECADE WITH NO CHANGE IN PAY FOR COUNCIL, AND WE WOULD BE MOVED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE MIDDLE OF THAT RANGE IF WE DON'T MAKE A CHANGE NOW. AND OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, IF THERE IS NO PROGRAM CHANGE IN PAY,
COUNCILMEMBERS WILL SLIP AMONGST THE RANKING OF THEIR PEER CI CITIES. SO BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS, MADAM CHAIR, OF COMPARABLE JURISDICTIONS AND EVALUATING BOTH CURRENT AND KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED FUTURE PAY RATES FOR MAYORS AND
COUNCILMEMBERS, STAFF RESPECTFULLY SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, FOR MAYOR, THE SALARY BE SET AT $187,000 FOR THE NEXT ELECTIVE TERM, WHICH BEGINS JANUARY 2, 2026. T SHOULD BE MAINTAINED AT THAT RATE FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING YEARS IN THAT TERM.
THIS CHANGE WOULD REFLECT THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE SCOPE OF AUTHORITY, POWERS, AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT VOTERS GAVE THE MAYOR WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE EXECUTIVE MAYOR STRUCTURE IN 2021. IT WOULD ALSO PUT THE MAYOR IN THE MIDRANGE OF THE SALARIES FOR SELECTED PEER JURISDICTIONS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH
SIMILAR ACTIONS TAKEN IN PORTLAND WHEN THAT CITY TRANSITIONED TO A STRONG MAYOR SYSTEM LIKE IN CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. FOR COUNCIL, WE RECOMMEND THE SALARY SHOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE NEXT ELECTIVE TERM, WHICH BEGINS JANUARY 5th, 2026, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT THE PAY RATE WOULD
REMAIN AT $109,847. HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO KEEP COUNCILMEMBERS AT THE MIDPOINT OF THEIR SALARY RANGE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE SELRY STARTING IN JANUARY 2028 BE INCREASED BY THE PERCENTAGE OF THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT OR COLA AS ITS KNOWN, THAT'S APPROVED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE
CITY'S COLLECTIVE BGAINING UNITS IN THE PRIOR YEAR TO BECOME EFFECTIVE IN THE NEXT YEAR, AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE REPEATED IN EH SUBSEQUENT YEAR IN THAT TERM. THOSE EXACT RATES WOULD THEN BE CALCULATED BY THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT BASED ON BUDGETARY DECISIONS MADE BY COUNCIL AS PART OF THE SALARY SCHEDULES FOR THOSE YEARS AND
WOULD BE PROGRAMMED INTO CITY'S BUDGET. IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE JUST A FEW POINTS. THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THIS IS A CHALLENGING BUDGET YEAR. CERTAINLY WE'VE ALL HEARD THE PROJECTIONS FOR BOTH 2026 AND THE FORECAST INTO THE NEXT FIVE. LIKE ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, MINNEAPOLIS CONTINUES TO TAKE ON
INCREASED LEVELS OF RESPONSIBILITY AS FEDERALND STATE GOVERNMENTS PUSH MORE AND MORE DOWN THE CHAIN. OFTEN WITHOUT THE REQUISITE FUNDING. OUR REVENUE STREAMS ARE LIMITED, AND OF COURSE, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS NTINUE TO ADAPT AND ATTEMPT TO MEET THE NEEDS AND PRIORITIES OF THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND THESE
DIFFER FROM PLACE TO PLACE. STILL, MINNEAPOLIS IS THE MOST POPULATED CITY IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. IT IS THE STATE'S ECONOMIC INEXPWRN, ITS POPULATION CENTER AND A HUB OF ITS CULTAL LIFE. MINNEAPOLIS BLENDS BIG CITY AMENITIES WITH AN ABOVE AVERAGE SENSE OF
COMMUNITY AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. IT HAS ABUNDANT TOP RATED PARKS AND PUBLIC GREENSPACES AND ITS KNOWN FOR ITS HIGH RANKING IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF LIFE METRIC INCLUDING OVERALL LIVEABILITY AND HAPPINESS AMONG RESIDENTS AND OF COURSE LIKE MANY COMMUNITIES MINNEAPOLIS HAS ITS CHALLENGES BUT WE THE PEOPLE
ELECT OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF PLANNING AND PREPARING OUR COMMUNITY FOR THTHE FUTURE TO ENSURE OUR CORE SERVICES AND SHARED INFRASTRUCTURE REMAIN STRONG AND CAN SUPPORT A GROWING AND DIVERSE POPULATION. THESE ELECTED POSITIONS HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE
DAY-TO-DAY EXPERIENCES OF THE ROUGHLY 430,000 PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE, WORK, WORSHIP, AND PLAY IN MINNEAPOLIS. AND THAT EXTENDS TO THE NEARLY 3.6 MILLION PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK WITHIN THE LARGER TWEN CITIES METRO REGION WHICH IS ANCHORED BY THE CITY OF
MINNEAPOLIS. ALL THIS TO SAY THAT COMPENSATION FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD REFLECT THE SCOPE OF AUTHORITY THE ACTUAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES OF THOSE POSITIONS, AND THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON THE LIVES OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. THE MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR AND ITS CITY COUNCIL HAVE SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT JOBS, AND THEIR
COMPENSATION SHOULD REFLECT THOSEACTS. OF COURSE THE ISSUE OF ELECTED OFFICIAL COMPENSATION IS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS A SENSITIVE SUBJECT AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE ALSO IS NO UNION THAT ADVOCATES FOR INCREASED PAY FOR MAYOR AND
COUNCIL. THERE ARE NO EXACT APPLE TO APPLE COMPARISONS BETWEEN JURISDICTIONS, NOT WITHIN A STATE OR EVEN ACROSS THE NATION. THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS TO EXAMINE APPROXATIONS AND TRY TO LEVEL THE FIELD BY ADJUSTING FOR DIFFERENCES IN COSTS ACROSS CITIES, STATES, AND REGIONS.
COMPENSATION ANALYSIS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IS ESSENTIAL TO ENSURE THAT PUBLIC SERVICE REMAINS ACCESSIBLE, COMPETITIVE, AND ALIGNED WITH THE REAL DEMANDS OF MODERN GOVERNANCE. BY EVALUATING THE PAY FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS RELATIVE TO THEIR WORKLOAD, ACROSS PEER JURISDICTIONS, AND COST OF LIVING TRENDS, THE CITY IS
BETTER POSITIONED TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN QUALIFIED LEADERS, TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL BARRIERS TO PUBLIC SERVICE, AND TO MAINTAIN INSTITUTIONAL STABILITY. A DATA DRIVEN APPROACH LIKE THE ONE WE'VE FOLLOWED HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS, BOTH IN THE PAST AND PRESENT, ALSO HELP TO PROMOTE TO
TRANSPARENT AND PUBC TRUST BY SHOWING THAT COMPENSION DECISIONS ARE BASED ON OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND NOT MER POLITICS. ULTIMATELY COMPENSATION ANALYSIS DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE QUALITY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND STABILITY OF OUR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE. IN VERY PRACTICAL
TERMS, IT HELPS ENSURE FAIR COMPENSATION FOR THOSE ELECTED TO PROVIDE EFFECTIVE, ETHICAL, AND SUSTAINABLE LEADERSHIP FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'LL ALSO NOTE THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS HAS GOOD OVERALL PAY RATES IN TOTAL COMPENSATION FOR ITS WORKFORCE. WE'RE RECOGNIZED AS A GEM PLOYER LOCAL -- GOOD EMPLOYER LOCALLY
IN THE METRO REGION AND IN THE STATE, AND WE REGULAR UPDATE OUR SURVEYS TO ENSURE WE REMAIN COMPETITIVE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR FOR RELEVANT JOBS ACROSS OUR PEER JURISDICTIONS. THESE TYPES OF SURVEYS ARE ROUT ROUTINELY DONE TO ENSURE MINNEAPOLIS REMAINS A COMPETITIVE LEADER IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR A WIDE VARIETY OF
ITS JOBS AND OUR EMPLOYEES BENEFIT FROM THAT APPROACH. IT'S OMFAIR THAT WE TAKE A SIMILAR APPROACH IN THINKING ABOUT HOW TO FAIRLY AND EQUIT ABLY COMPENSATION OUR CITY LEADERS. WITH THAT I HAVE COMPLETED BY PREPARED REMARKS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION BE FORWARDED TO THE CAN YOU BELIEVE FOR ITS MEETING -- COUNCIL FOR ITS ADJOURNED MEETING WHENE ACT ON THE 2026 BUDGET. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, MR. CARL. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE? I'LL RECOGNIZE
COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. I DID JUST WANT TO THANK OUR CLERK STAFF, SPECIFICALLY CLERK CARL FOR GIVING THIS PRESENTATION. I KNOW YOU DO IT EVERY TERM AS
REQUIRED, AND FOR GIVING US A DATA GROUNDED BASIS FOR HOW TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS AROUND COMPENSATION AS IT PERTAINS TO EITHER US OR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND OTHER ELECTED POSITIONS IN OUR AUNTERPRISE. THAT NOTE I DO
WANT TO NOTE CONVERSATIONS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT OUR CLERK STAFF FURTHER, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE ALREADY IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHARTER COMMISSIONS ABOUT HOW TO PROTECT OUR AUTHORITY. I DID FIND IT KIND OF CONCERNING THE LETTER THAT WAS JUST FORWARDED TO COUNCILHAT'S
BEING PASSED ON TO THE CHARTER COMMISSION BY MAYOR FREY ESSENTIALLY ASKING FOR THE AUTHORITY WHICH WE HAVE TO SET COMPENSATION BE REMOVED AND PLACED WITHIN THE SCOPE OF AUTHORITY OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. I THINK NO
ONE HAS VOTED DOWN THESE INCREASES BEFORE BECAUSE AGAIN THEY'RE STANDARD, AND YOU DO TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PREPARATION WORKING WITH CREDIBLE EXPERTS IN ORDER TO GET CREDIBLE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF THIS BODY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM, AND IF THAT IS GOING TO BE
PART OF OUR CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHARTER COMMISSION, I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OFHE THAT. AND OF COURSE, HOLD THE LINE ON HAVING OUR AUTHORITIES REMAIN WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY INSTEAD OF IT BEING TREAT AS A PAWN OF SORTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE
THAT AND THANK YOU AGAIN, CLERK CARL, FOR DELIVERING A PRETTY CREDIBLE PRESENTATION AS STANDARD. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE IN QUEUE, SO I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. >> NO. >> ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU. >>> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS RECEIVING A
PRESENTATION ON THE 2025 THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL STATUS REPORT ON SELECT CITY FUNDS. I WILL INVITE CITY CONTROLLER GEORGE HARDGROVE FROM FINANCE AND PROPERTY SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO BEGIN THIS PRESENTATION. WELCOME. >>> YEAH, THANK YOU, CHA
CHUGHTAI, MEMBERS OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, AND THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT OUR THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT ON THE FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. IN JUST A SEC HERE I'LL START THE
PRESENTATION. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO YEAH JUST TO START OFF HERE, THIS IS OUR FINANCIAL STATUS REPORT AS OF THE END OF
PERIOD 9, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 30th OF 2025. IT'S A POINT IN TIME REPORT. IT'S WE BASED OUR FORECAST SHORTLY AFTER WE CLOSED THE ACCOUNTING MONTH IN SEPTEMBER, AND MADE MOST OF THOSE IN OCTOBER SO THIS IS AS
OF PRETTY MUCH THE ENDF OCTOBER, SO THE INFORMATION IS UNAUDITED AND WON'T BE FINAL UNTIL THE 2025 YEARS CLOSED. FINAL NUMBERS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN OUR ANNUAL FINANAL COMPREHENSIVE REPORT, WHICH I CAN COME BACK AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT I BELIEVE IN APRIL SOMETIME OR SO WHEN WOO DO
OUR -- WE DO OUR FOURTH QUARTER REPORT AS WELL TO AGAIN, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING NEAR THE END OF THE YEAR. SO MOVING ON, THE QUARTER 2 REPORT DOES SHOW
THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL FUND BALANCES. W HAVE SEVERAL FUNDS IN THE CITY, AND WE SEE THEM BEING ENT DOWN, ESPECIALLY THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS WE FORECAST TO BE DOWN ABOUT $60 MILLION FROM WHERE IT ENDED UP AT THE END OF 2024. BUT
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ONLY FUND. WE HAVE SEEN SOME SPEND DOWNS IN THE DOWNTOWN ASSET FUND, THE CONVENTION CENTER, PROPERTY SERVICES AS WELL AS INTERGOVERNMENTAL AND I.T. SO OUR, SO ANYWAY, SO YEAH IN OUR
LATEST FORECAST I BELIEVE WE INITIALLY FORREQUESTED AT $60 MILLION. NOW IT'S 67, $68 LLION OR SO, SO IT KIND OF REALLY BRINGS THE CITY TO A CROSS ROADS AT THIS POINT. CERTAINLY AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE NEXT BULLET POINT, WE'VE
MAINTAINED OUR TRIPLE A BOND RATINGS FROM FITCH, MOODY'S, AND STASTANDARD & POOR, WHICH BRING AS LOT OF PRESTEGE TO THE CITY BUT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE SPEND DOWN ESPECIALLY ON THE GENERAL FUND. IN ADDITION OUR PROPERTY TAXES
ARE ABOUT $17.4 MILLION UNDER THE FULL, FULLY LEVEED AMOUNT PLANNED FOR 2025. WE DO KNOW THAT SOME AMOUNTS ARE UNCOLLECTIBLE OR THERE IS DELAYED COLLECTIONS ON THAT AS WELL TOO BUT THAT'S STILL A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT THE CITY
HAS EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST. IN ADDITION AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME I WAS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SECOND QUARTER, WE DID AT THAT TIME NOTICE A LITTLE SOFTENING IN THE DOWNTOWN ASSET FUND, WHICH IS FINANCED MAINLY BY SALES TAXES, ENTERTAINMENT TAXES, RESTAURANT LIQUOR TAXES,
THINGS LIKE THAT. NOW WE'VE KIND OF SEEN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRONOUNCED NOW. FOR EXAMPLE THE SEPTEMBER COLLECTIONS WERE DOWN ABOUT ALMOST $2 MILLION FROM WHERE THEY WERE AT IN 2024 WHICH DOES SUGGEST PERHAPS A SOFTENING IN THE ECONOMY. IN ADDITION, THE
POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE PROJECTED TO BE OVERBUDGET BY ABOUT $25 MILLION. IN 2025 THAT'S ABOUT A 3% OR $9 MILLION INCREASE FROM WHAT WE FORECASTED BACK AT THE SECOND QUARTER. THE
SELF-INSURANCE FUND DOES CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND IS A WELL ABOVE THE MINIMUM POLICY OF $117 MILLION MINIMUM BY ABO $85 MILLION. AGAIN, WE TRY TO HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS IN THERE TO PAY POTENTIALLY LARGE LITIGATION
SETTLEMENTS AND SO WE DO GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO BEING FULLY FUNDED THERE AS WELL TOO. THEN OF COURSE WE MONITOR THE FEDERAL GRANTS AS WELL TO THERE HASN'T BEEN HUGE CHANGES IN THE LAST, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, BUT AGAIN, CERTAINLY ESPECIALLY WITH
THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND EVERYTHING, WE DO HAVE TO MONITOR THAT AND WE DO EXPECT THE FUNDING LEVELS TO GO DOWN A LITTLEIT THERE AS WELL TO, AND CERTAINLY LOTS OF UNCERTAINTY TOO AS FAR AS WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
MOVING ON, MORE HIGHLIGHTS HERE IN TERMS OF OUR CASH AND INVESTMENTS AS OF SEPTEMBER 30th, 2025, WE'RE AT ABOUT $1186 OR $1,186,000,000 OR SO WHICH ACTUALLY IS AN INCREASE OF $140 MILLION FROM THIS TIME
LAST YEAR. AGAIN, MOST OF THAT IS MADE UPF THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND AND THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH, WHICH HAVECCUMULATED MORE CASH SINCE THEN. SO THAT'S THE MAIN DRIVER BEHIND THE INCREASE IN OUR CASH AND INVESTMENTS. MOST -- ALMOST ALL
CITY FUNDS ARE MEETING THEIR CASH RESERVE MINIMUMS AND FUND BALANCE MINIMUMS. BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION A FEW OF THOSE AS WELL TO OUR SELF-INSURANCE AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. DOES HAVE A NEGATIVE NET POSITION DUE TO,
TO, TO LARGE POTENTIAL CLAIMS FOR LITIGATION. HOWEVER, IT IS EXCEING OUR SHORT-TERM, SHORT-TERM GOALS AND OUR FINANCIAL POLICY TO COVER THE WORKERS' COMP, MEDICAL DENTAL, THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL TOO. FLEET, WHILE TECHNICALLY MEETING
OUR REQUIREMENTS, BY ABOUT $1.4 MILLION WE HAVE HAD, WE'VE BEEN SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF TIME LOOKING INTO THE FLEET BUDGET. WE ARE WORRIED, THE ONLY REASON REALLY IT'S MEETING THE ABOVE THE RESERVE REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE THE, THE DEPARTMENT HAS CUT BACK
ON PURCHASING NEW VEHICLES, WHICH WE DO WORRY COULD INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AS OUR VEHICLE FLEET AGES OR SO, SO SOMETHING WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON. AGAIN, IT DOES MEET THE SHORT-TERM, THE SHORT-TERM LIMIT RIGHT NOW, BUT COULD, COULD GO
DOWN FROM THERE. OUR I.T. FUND IS PROJECTED TO BE ABOUT $8 MILLION AT THE END OF THIS YEAR VERSUS OUR TARGET OF ABOUT $9.3 MILLION. SO ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. OUR PARKING FUND IS BELOW THE CASH BALANCE BY ABOUT2 MILLION OR SO BUT IT CONTINUES TO IMPROVE
AND I HOPEFULLY BORROWING -- BARRING ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, THAT WILL GET BACK INTO, BACK INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ITS FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. PROPERTY SERVICES IS PROJECTED $2.2 MILLION RIGHT NOW
WHICH IS BELOW OUR $4.6 MILLION TARGET BALANCE. AND THEN THE FINALLY THE CONVENTION CENTER IS PROJECTED TO BE BELOW THE TARGET BALANCE, HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THAT'S REALLY MORE OF A TECHNICAL ITEM WE DO PROBABLY NEED TO TRANSFER SOME MONEY FROM THE DOWNTOW ASSET FUND THERE TO
MAKE UP FOR A TRANSFER THAT WAS DONE BEFORE, SO HOPULLY THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT. NOW AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE AND INVITE DEPUTY CONTROLLER ROBERT LANG TO COME TO THE PODIUM HERER
AND HE WILL GO OVER, ROB SPECIALIZES IN THE GENERAL FUND AND HE'LL GO OVER AND TALK ABOUT MORE ABOUT HOW THE GENERAL FUND IS DOING. THANKS, ROB. >> GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CITY COUNCIL, FOR YOUR TIME TO GO THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND TODAY. AS A
REMINDER, THE PURPOSE OF THE FUND IS TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL FINANCIAL RESOURCES, EXCEPT FOR THOSE REQUIRED TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR OR REPORTED ON IN ANOTHER FUND. YEAR END 2025 BALANCE FOR THE CASH IS PROJECTED TO BE $166 MILLION IN THE GENERAL
FUND. IT WAS $234 MILLION AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. THIS IS A $67 MILLION USE OF CASH PROJECTED BY YEAR END. ACTUAL CASH AT THE END OF QUARTER 3 WAS $92 MILLION, AND AT THE END OF QUARTER 3 LAST YEAR WAS
$148 MILLION. AGAIN, SHOWING A USE OF CASH OF ABOUT $56 MILLION. COMPARED TO THE TWO DAYS. TWO YEARS. FOR FUND BALANCE, YOU'LL SEE A SIMILAR STORY. ENDING BALANCE IS PROJECTED TO BE $141 MILLION.
THE QUARTER 2 FORECAST DID PROJECT $149 MILLION SO ABOUT A $7.5 MILLION INCREASE IN THE USE OF THAT FUND. OVERALL, IT IS PROJECTED TO BE A $67ILLION DECREASE IN FUND BALANCE YEAR OVER YEAR. I DO WANT TO
INDICATE THAT THIS USE OF FUND WAS PART OF THE BUDGETED ASPECT WHEN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET INCLUDED A $24.6 MILLION PLANNED USE OF FUND, THERE WAS ROLLOVERS OF $41.8 MILLION USE OF FUND APPROXIMATELY WHEN YOU TOTAL UP
THESE ALONG WITH MINIMAL AMENDMENTS DURING THE YEAR WAS A $67 MILLION BUDGETED USE OF FUND THROUGH 2025. THIS STILL DOES EXCEED OUR 17% MINIMUM BALANCE. IT IS PROJECTED - OR IT IS CALCULATED CURRENTLY AT
$109.1 MILLION. WE DO HAV THAT $141 MILLION PROJECTION, SO WE'RE $32.5 MILLION OVER THE 17% MINIMUM BALANCE REQUIREMENT. OF THAT $141 MILLION, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS AND COMMITMENTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER. SO ON THE TOP OF THIS CHART, YOU WILL SEE WE STARTED THE YEAR $209 MILLION. WE HAVE FORECASTED REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES RESULTING IN THE USE OF OF THAT FUND DOWN TO$141Y
DISCUSSED. THEN WE DO HAVE SOME COMMITMENTS AND RESTRICTIONS. AT THE TIME OF THIS REPORT'S WRITING, THE PLANNED USE OF FUND WAS $8.7 MILLION INTO 2026. AND THEN WE DO HAVE RESTRICTED FOR PUBS LIC SAFETY AID IN NORTH COMMONS OF $14.2 MILLION. THIS
TOTALS TO ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF $118.6 MILLION. REMEMBERING THE 109 MINIMUM FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT 17%, THIS LEAVES US WITH $9.5 MILLION IN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE REMAINING. AT THE END OF QUARTER 2'S FORECAST AND PRESENTATION THAT 9.5 WAS
FORECASTED AT $15 MILLN AT THE TIME OF THAT PRESENTATION, SO THIS HAS RESULTED IN ANOTHER $6 MILLION ROUGHLY DECREASE IN THAT FORECASTED UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. THERE ARE SOME UNKNOWNS RELATED TO THIS NUMBER, HOWEVER. WHAT THE FINAL USE OF
FUND BALANCE WILL BE IN THE 2026 BUDGET IS STILL UNKNOWN YET. THERE IS THE ROLLOVERS THAT WILL BE REQUESTED GOING IN FROM '25 TO '26. AS A REMINDER LAST YEAN APPROVED ROLLOVER, AND COMPARING THAT TO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY
SEEING IN AASSIGNED FUND DOES MEAN THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A DIFFICULTIES -- DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS AHEAD THROUGH THE ROLLOVER PROCESS. AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST UNAKNOWN WOULD BE THE MARKET, ECONOMIC, AND FRANKLY, POLITICAL UNKNOWNS GOING INTO 2026. SO
LET'S LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES FIRST. ON THIS CHART DOWN HERE, YOU WILL SEE MAJOR REVENUE CATEGORIES, WITH WHAT WAS BUDGETED, AND WHAT IS PROJECTED TO YEAR END AS WELL AS THE BUDGET DEFICIT OR BUDGET OVERAGE. FIRST I'L POINT OUT
PROPERTY A TAXES IS PROJECTED TO BE $17.5 MILLION. UNDER BUDGET. THIS IS A RESULT OF LESS PROPERTY TAX COLLEIONS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT HAS BEEN DECREASING FROM 98% DOWN TO 97 TWO YEARS AGO, 96 APPROXIMATELY
AT THE END OF '24 AND A LITTLE UNDER 96 FORECASTED INTO '25. SERVICE CHARGES IS PROJECTED TO BE OVERBUDGETED BY $3.9 MILLION. THIS IS AS A RESULT OF THE EFFORTS OF PUBLIC WORKS AND CHAIR CHARGES FOR SERVICES, BOTH TO INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL CUSTOMERS. WE GO TO FRAHISE
FEES IS UNDERBUDGET BY $2.8 MILLION. WHILE FRANCHISE FEES IS COLLECTING MORE THAN THEY DID LAST YEAR, THE BUDGET HAD A HIGHER GROWTH ESTIMATE THAN WHAT'S ACTUALLY COMING IN. WE GET TO LICENSES AND PERMITS ARE INBUDGET BY $4.5 MILLION
MOSTLY AS A RESULT OF BUILDING PERMITS. THE END OF ALL OF THIS INDICATES THAT REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE $18 MILLION UNDER WHAT WAS BUDGETE SO HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO PRIOR YEARS? WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND WE'LL SEE THIS BAR GRAPH HERE SHOWS
BLUE IS 25 AND GREEN IS THE THREE-YEAR AVERAGE. AND THE LAST COMPARISON THAT'S IN THE FORECASTED DECEMBER SHOWS THAT HISTORICALLY THE THREE-YEAR AVERAGE HAS BEEN 99.9% OF REVENUE COLLECTIONS AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN '25 IS
97-97.3% REVENUE COLLECTIONS A PRIMARY DRIVER BEING THE PROPERTY TAXES. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE. WE HAVE EXPENDITURES. HEREAGAIE CATEGORIES, WHAT WAS BUDGETED, WHAT IS ACTUAL, AND THE
OVER/UNDER. IMPORTANTLY I WANT TO SHOW THAT OF ALL THESE CATEGORIES, THE TWO THAT ARE OVERBUDGET IS PUBLIC WORKS BY $3.6 MILLION, REMEMBERING REVENUE AND SERVICE CHARGES WAS $3.9 MILLION OVER AS AN EFFORT OF PUBLIC WORKS, THESE ARE VERY
CLOSE TO OFFSETTING EACH OTHER. AND THEN WE MOVE TO PUBLIC SAFETY AS A WHOLE IS $12.8 MILLION OVER BUDGET. THE REMAINING EXPENSE CATEGORIES ARE CONG IN UNDERBUDGET. AND HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO THE PRIOR
THREE YEARS? SIMILAR BAR CHART YOU WILL SEE HERE THAT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE HAD 91.6% EXPENDITURES TO BUDGET. AND GOING INTO '25 WE'RE AT $97.06%. SO REVENUES ARE COMING IN LESS THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PRIOR THREE YEARS, AND EXPENSES
ARE COMING IN HIGHER THAN THEY HAVE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. RESULTING IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE TODAY IN THIS USE OF FUND AS DEPARTMENTS ARE SPENDING MORE AND MOR TO THEIR BUDGET. AND HERE IS THE DETAILED REPORT. IT
IS IN YOUR 70-PAGE REPORT THAT ACCOMPANIES THESE PRESENTATIONS, HOWEVER, I WANTED TO PULL OUT SPECIFICALLY THE DETAILS RELATED TO THE EXPENDITURES WITHIN THAT REPORT. THERE'S SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR REVENUES AS WELL BUT I BELIEVE EXPENDITURES IS WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS IN TODAY. IN
BLUE IS THE CURRENT BUDGET. THE FIRST BLUE COLUMN, AND THE SECOND BLUE COLUMN IS THE YEAR TO DATE PROJECTIONS. THESE YEAR TO DATE PROJECTIONS ARE WORKED ON BY AN ACCOUNTANT THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE DEPARTMENT, A BUDGET ANALYST ASSIGNED TO THE PARTMENT, AS WELL AS BY THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. THERE ARE IF YOU INCLUDE PUBLIC WORKS AS ONE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDED TOGETHER, THERE ARE 26 DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY. OF WHICH SIX ARE CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO BE OVER BUDGET. OF
THOSE SIX, I WILL QUICKLY MENTION THE ONES THAT ARE FORECASTED TO BE OVERBUDGET. SO WE DO START OFF WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS PROJECTED TO BE OVERBUDGET BY $490,000.
THE EXPLANATION FOR WHICH IS RELATED TO EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR ALL, WHICH IS REQUIRED TERM OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, AND THESE ARE THEIR EFFORTS TOWARDS THAT. MOVING ONTO ASSESSING DEPARTMENT. THEY DID HAVE SOME COSTS RELATED TO THEIR CAMO PROJECTS. THAT WENT
INTO 2025. AN OVERAGE OF ABOUT $200,000. THEY HAVE BEEN DILLIANTLY TACKLING THAT OVERSPEND WITH OPERATIONAL SAVINGS OF $8200 RESULTING IN A STILL OVERBUDGET DUE TO THE CAMA PROJECT. OFFICE OF PUBLIC SERVICE IS FORECASTED TO BE
$50,000 OVER BUDGET, PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY A COLA RAISE THAT WAS UNBUDGETED. THEN WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC SAFETY. HERE WE SEE THE GROUPINGS THAT MAKE UP PUBLIC SAFETY. FIRE IS FORECASTED $5.5 MILLION OVER BUDGET. THIS
IS NOT UNCOMMON OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. FIRE HAS BEEN COMING IN OVER BUDGET. PRIMARILY DUE TO OVERTIME. AND THEN POLICE. WE ARE FORECASTING TOTAL EXPENDITURES OF $246 MILLION. THIS IS A 3% INCREASE FROM WHAT WE PRESENTED
FOR THE QUARTER 2 FINANCIALS. OR FORECASTS I SHOULD SAY. THIS RESULTS IN $19.5 MILLION IN PROJECTED OVERSPEND. MOVING DOWN TO PUBLIC WORKS, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THEY ARE$T
BY THE SERVICE CHARGES THAT WE RECEIVED. VERY BOTTOM LINE SHOWING THAT OF THE $729 MILLIOR EXPENDITURES, THE CITY HAS SPENT $712 MILLION, ABOUT
$17.5 MILLION LESS THAN BUDGETED . THE GENERAL FUND IS, THE BEATING HEART OF THIS CITY, AND I BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO GET THE REVIEW ITS DUE TO ENSURE THE HEALTH AND RATING THE CITY HAS ENJOYED. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY
ON THE GENERAL FUND AND THE REVIEW OF THIS, AND I WL BE PASSING THIS BACK TO GEORGE TO GO OVER OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, O ENTERPRISE FUNDS, AND OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. THANK YOU. >> YEAH, THANKS. THANKS,
MR. LANG, YEAH, THANK YOU. BEFORE I MOVE ONTO THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF THE BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE. JUST TO MAKE KIND OF A POINT HERE. I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY THE KEY SLIDE THAT I LOOK AT TO JUST KIND OF GAUGE THE GENERAL FUND HEALT
THEY JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT JUST ONE MORE TIME THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL ABOVE TARGET, YOU KNOW, THE $9.5 MILLION WHICH ACTUALLY II THINK IS DOWN TO ABOUT $9.2 MILLION OR SO WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM WE COULD ROLL OVER NEXT YEAR. IF YOU LOOK AT
LIKE WHAT WE DID FROM '24 TO '25 WE ROLLED OVER ALMOST $42 MILLION AND WHAT THE ROLLOVER REALLY DOES IS IT KIND OF BUYS EXTRA TIME FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO FINISH UP THEIR '25 BUDGETS SO WE JUST UNDOUBTEDLY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO QUITE AS MUCH AS WE DID THE YEAR
BEFORE. SO JUS WANTED TO JUST KIND OF YOU KNOW FURTHER THAT POINT. SO MOVING ON, NEXT CATEGORY OF FUNDS I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IS THE SPECIAL
REVENUE FUNDS. THEY'RE USED TO REPORT REVENUE AND EXPENSES FOR FUNDS THAT HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM. OUR SIGNIFICANT, OUR SIGNIFICANT SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS ARE THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE TARGET CENTER, ARENA, THE
DOWNTOWN ASSETS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A FORFEITURE AND GAMBLING PROCEED ACCOUNT. REDWAY -- REGULATORY SERVICES HAS A SMALL SOME RESTRICTED FUNDS AS WELL AS GRANTS OF COURSE ARE KIND OF THE CLASSIC RESTRICTED FUNDS FOR THE CITY AS
WELL AS CPED HAS QUITE A FEW TOO. SO JUST IN SUMMARY WE PROJECT OUR CASH BALANCES TO GO DOWN ABOUT $3.1 MILLION OR SO FROM THE 2024 YEAR END ABOUT 9 -- $393 MILLION. HOWEVER,
THAT IS UP ABOUT $21 MILLION FROM THE SECOND QUARTER, AND THAT'S MOSTLY DUE TO CPED FUND BALANCES BEING FORECASTED HIGHER AS WELL AS THE AROOENA. AND THEN CONVERSELY, CASH AGAIN IS FORECASTED TO BE AT $3 MILLION YEAR END. IT'S A $4 MILLION
DECREASE FROM 2024. THAT'S ALSO UP $26 MILLION FROM THE SECOND QUARTER. AGAIN MAINLY CPED AND THE DOWNTOWN ASSET. BECAUSE FUND BALANCE AND CASH OFTEN MOVES AT THE SAME RATE. SO ANYWAY, DECREASES FROM LAST YEAR, LIKE I SAY IS MAINLY DUE
TO THE DOWNTOWN ASSET FUND AS WELLS CPED. AGAIN, THESE FUNDS ARE SET ASIDE FOR SCIFIC PURPOSE AND GENERALLY IT IS DIFFICULT TO MOVEHEM OR MOVE SPENDING ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. SO YOU CAN THINK OF THESE AS THE CITY'S RESTRICTED FUNDS.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE DETAILS HERE. AGAIN YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT HERE THAT SHOWS THE, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PROJECTING THE FUND BALANCE AND THE CASH TO GO UP OR DOWN FROM LAST YEAR AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, AND SO YOU CAN SEE AGAIN
THE CONVENTION CENTER, DOWNTOWN ASSEEE SPNGT TO GO DOWN BUT THAT'S -- WE EXPECT TO GO DOWN, BUT THAT'S OFFSET BY THE GRANT FUNDS THAT ARE PROJECTED TO BE UP A LITTLE BIT AS WELL AS CPED'S FUNDING AS WELL TOO. NEXT CATEGORY OF FUNDS IS OUR
INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. THESE ARE FUNDS OR THAT SUPPORT DEPARTMENTS THAT GENERALLY SELL THEIR SERVICES TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY THAT INCLUDES CERTAINLY PUBLIC WORKS' ENGINEERING MATERIALS AND TESTING LAB, OUR FLEET DEPARTMENT, PROPERTY
SERVICES, PUBLIC WORKS STORE ROOMS, OUR SF-INSURANCE FUNDS ARE CERTAINLY SOME OF THE BIG -- CORS MOST OF OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, OUR NET POSITION WE EXPECT TO INCREASE ABOUT 21, $22 MILLION FROM 2024 AT YEAR
END, THAT'S UP ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE SECOND QUARTER WHEN I WAS HERE, THAT'S AGAIN, AND WE RELATED TO EQUIPMENT, PROPERTY SERVICES ARE FORECASTED UP A LITTLE BIT WHEREAS OUR I.T. DEPARTMENT'S FORECASTED DOWN. SO FAIRLY SIMILAR TO LAST TIME THE SECOND QUARTER. CASH
PROJECTIONS ARE A $226 MILLION. ANOTHER, AGAIN, ANOTHER $21.5 MILLION FROM LAST YEAR. SAME DEPARTMENTS THAT ACCOUNT FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND QUARTER. SO ANYWAY, WE AGAIN WE, WE ARE
HOPING THAT PROPERTY SERVICES AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL SERVICES CAN MEET THEIR CASH BALANCES BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER WE CAN QUITE MAKE IT OR NOT. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE BALANCES
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND COLUMN THERE ON THE RIGHT, WE EXPECT FLEET AS WELL AS ENGINEERING MATERIALS TO GO DOWN. A LITTLE BIT DOWN, AND AS WELL AS I.T. AS WELL TOO. AND THEN SELF-INSURANCE UP QUITE A
BIT FROM THE LAST YEAR AS I MENTIONED AS WE ACCUMULATE CASH TO COVER LEGAL LIABILITIES. THEN FINALLY THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE USED TO ACCOUNT FOR OPERATIONS IN THE CITY THAT SELL THEIR SERVICES OUTSIDE OF THE
CITY PRIMARILY. THAT WOULD INCLE OUR SANITARY SEWER, STORM WATER, THE WATER DEPARTMENT ITSELF, SOLID WASTE RECYCLING, PARKING, CPED HAS A SMALL ENTERPRISE FUND AS WELL TOO, SO IN THIS CASE, THE NET POSITION IS FORECASTED TO BE
ABOUT UNDER $1.2 MILLION, ABOUT $34 MILLION, LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME. MOST OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE SEWER AND STORMWATER AREAS. THEY ARE UP $21 MILLION FROM WHEN I W HERE LAST QUARTER.
CASH WISE, PROJECTED TO BE $128 MILLION, INCREASE FROM 2024. AGAIN, THAT'S UP ABOUT $20 M MILLION FROM THE SECOND QUARTER MAINLY DUE TO THE SEWER AND STORMWATER AREAS. AND THEN THIS TENDS TO BE THE MOST STABLE OF ALL OUR OPERATIONS BECAUSE THESE ARE
SELLING SERVICES THAT ARE YOU KNOW NECESSITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO NOT AFFECTED BY THE ECONOMY QUITE AS WELL. WE'LL MENTION PARKING AT THE END. IT'S COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE PANDEM. AND WE'RE HOPING TO GET TO ITS TARGETED CASH BALANCE SHORTLY. AND THEN FINALLY JUST
LOOKING AT THE DETAILS HERE. AGAIN YOU CAN SEE AS I WAS MENTIONING ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE THERE THAT HAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW '24 WILL END UP AND '25 IS PROJECTED. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE ABOUT UP ON SEWER AND STORMWATER, A LITTLE BIT ON WATER AND PARKING, DOWN A LITTLE
BIT ON WASTE OR SO AS WELL TOO, AND CPED IS FAIRLY SIMILAR. SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY FORMAL PRESENTATION TODAY. AT THIS TIME I'M HAPPYO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANKOU FOR THAT
PRESENTATION. MR. HARDGROVE. COLLEAGUES ARE, THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? I WILL FIRST RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU MR. HARD GROIIVE, THANK YOU,
MR. LANG. COUPLE OQUESTIONS ON NUMBERS I AM SEEING HERE. PROPERTY TAXES ARE PROJECTED TO BE UNDERBUDGET DUE TO THE NONCOLLECTIBLE AMOUNT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? >> YEAH, YEAH, SURE. YEAH. CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. YEAH, THE AMOUNT IN
THE BUDGET THERE IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT THE COUNCIL LEVIED FOR 2025, BUT WE KNOW THAT SOME OF IT, NOT ALL OF IT'S GOING TO BE COLLECTIBLE BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE CAN PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE SOMETIMES IS LEGAL JUDGMENTS OR COURT ACTIONS THAT
RESULTED IT BEING LOWER, SO WE DO KNOW WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO EVER YOU KNOW EVER COLLECT 100% OF WHAT WE HAVE, BUT IT IS LESS THAN, THAN WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN PRIOR YEARS. I THINK NORMALLY ROB, DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? >> SURE.
>> YES, SO A HISTORY OF OUR PROPERTY TAX COLLECTIONS IS ACTUALLY SHOWN IN THE ACFR ON SCHEDULE 8 AND YOU WILL SEE THE PAST TEN-YEAR COLLECTIONS WITHIN THAT. AND SO YOU WILL SEE THAT HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN 98, 99% COLLECTIONS. AND THAT THE LAST
THREE YEARS IT HAS BEEN DECREASING. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. SECOND PORT WAS THE -- SECOND PART W THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY BUDGET COMING IN ABOUT $10 MILLION UNDERBUDGET. THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER BARNETT. OR MAYBE
YOU TWO KNOW ABOUT WHY THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY DEPARTMENT WAS $10 MILLION UNDERBUDGET. >> YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, YEAH, COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. WHY DON'T WE HAVE TODD COME UP AND MAYBE HE CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER, CASHMAN, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY ASKED TO BE CARRIED OVER. THEY WILL ENCUMBER SOME EXPENSES THAT
I DON'T THINK ARE THERE RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE $19.6 MILLION OVERSPEND IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? >>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, CHAIR
CHUGHTAI, TO COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN, SPECIFICALLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT IN THE NUMBER BREAK DWRN, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK MPD TO GIVE YOU ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT I THINK YOU'RE ASKING NORD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. FOR YOU.
SO JUST GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. >> SURE. >> COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCILMEMBERS, SO THE QUESTION IS THE DETAILS BETWEEN THE PROJECTION FROM QUARTER 2 TO
QUARTER 3? AND WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE CHANGE THAT WAS NOT PROJTED, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YEAH, I MEAN, HOW DID WE RESULT IN THE $19.06 OVERSPEND? >> SO THE 19.6 IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT -- EXSE ME, CAN YOU BCOUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCILMEMBER. THE
19.6 IS THE TOTAL 8% OVERBUDGET , MUCH OF WHICH WAS ANTICIPATED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THIS LAST PRESENT OPTION IS THERE WAS EXPENDITURES THAT WERE NOT ANTICIPATED FROM QUARTER 2 THAT
ARE NEW NOW IN QUARTER 3. AND THOSE COME DOWN TO THREE THINGS. WHAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED INCLUDED BACK PAY THAT WAS CONTRACTUAL, THAT WAS GIVEN OUT IN QUARTER 3. IT WAS NOT BUDGETED. SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
EXPENDITURES THAT WA WERE NOT BUDGETED. BUT THE LARGEST, THE LARGEST SHARE OF THAT IS THIS THIRD CATEGORY WHICH IS NEW HIRES. SO WE HAVE HIRED 174 PEOPLE FOR SWORN POSITIONS THIS YEAR. EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN
HERE BEFORE THIS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS GOTTEN SMALLER, MONTH AFTER MONTH AFTER MONTH. WE'VE BOTTOMED OUT SOMETIME IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR. THIS YEAR THERE HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY DRAMATIC INCREASE IN NEW HIRES. WE WERE BUDGETED FOR I THINK
2023 COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS, WE CURRENTLY EMPLOY 74. WE'RE HIRING MORE NEXT MONTH. WE ADDED AN ENTIRE CLASS OF CADETS OVER THE LAST YEAR. SO WHATHAPE
HAVE 174 NEW PEOPLE, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WHICH ARE NOT LICENSED POLICE OFFICERS. COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS, THOSE 74, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS, SOME CASES THREE. THE WHOLE TIME WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING THEIR SALARIES AND PAYING THEIR
DIVISION. AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MUCH MORE OF THEM, THOSE EXPENSES ARE GREATER. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE MORE POLICE OFFICERS AS MANY MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET. JUST ABOUT 614 TOTAL
SWORN OFFICERS, 540 SOME ODD ARE ACTUALLY YOU KNOW FULL DUTY ON THE STREET. AND SO THAT IS BY FAR THE LARGEST YOU KNOW UNFORESEEN EXPENSE DURING THE COROF THE -- COURSE OF THE YEAR.
WHAT COMPOUNDS THAT IS AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR NOW THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HIRED SO MANY PEOPLE WE'VE HAD A REDUCTION IN THE SALARY ACCRUALS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS FEWER VACANCIES, THERE'S A REDUCED VACANCY
SAVINGS THROUGH WHICH WE USED TO USE FOR PEOPLE THAT JUST WEREN'T EMPLOYED HERE. THAT IS REDUCED BECAUSE WE'VE HIRED 174 PEOPLE. >> OKAY. GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSIONER WHO'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR
KEEPING THE BUDGET IN CHECK. WHERE IS THE OVERSIGHT COME IN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PLANNING FOR AND THEN ACCOMMODATING FOR NEW EXPENSES THAT COME THROUGHOUT E YEAR. >> YES. THROUGH THE CHAIR. CHAIR CHUGHTAI, AND THEN
COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN, WE HAVE STARD THOSE CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY TO SHORE UP THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALONG THE WAY, ALL OF US ARE LOCK
STEP, AND WHERE WE ARE AND ALSO THAT MEANS FROM FINANCE, ME, THE CHIE AND I, AS WELL, IN SO WE THINK THAT NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD PROCESS
OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LOCK STEP AS WE GO, GO THROUGH THIS AND THAT THERE IS OVERSIGHT. WE HAD A MEETING I THINK LAST WEEK WITH SOME OF THE STAFF -- >> COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN.
COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN, YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED. >> I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE DOING TIME. >> WE ARE. COMMISSIONER, IF YOU WANT TO WRAP UP THE THOUGHT. >> JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS WE MOVE INTO 2026, WE DID MEET WITH FINANCE TO JUST
MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE RIGHT PATH TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THAT ALL OF RUS AWARE. >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THE REPERCUSSIONS OF THIS TO POTENTIALLY OUR TRIPLE A BOND
RATING AND OTHER CONTROLS THAT THE CITY HAS, AND I'LL ALLOW OTHER TO ASK ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU COMMISSIONER TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I COULD ANSWER IVME.
>> THE COCILMEMBER'S TIME HAS EXPIRED FOR QUITE A BIT SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH QUEUE. COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO GET BACK IN QUEUE BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH DISCUSSION, I SEE SEVERAL COLLEAGUES GETNG IN QUEUE, I WILL NOTE WE HAVE BEEN JOINED IN THIS COMMITTEE BY COUNCILMEMBERS OSMAN AND JENKINS. WE'VE GOT
ABOUT FIVE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS IN QUEUE RIGHT NOW. SO STARTING WITH VICE CHAIR KOSKI AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE FINANCE TEAM, SO NOT FOR
MPD. IF, IN THE GENERAL FUNDBAU TALK ABOUT THE TOTAL ABOVE TARGET IS AT 9.5. I TNK THE, THE DOCUMENT WE HAVE IN LIMS SAYS 15.3 SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET AN UPDATED DOCUMENT
PRESENTATION IN, IN THE FILE, BUT I SEE THAT YOURS SAYS 9.5. COULD YOU GIVE US A BIT OF A LOOKBACK? WHAT'S THE AVERAGE THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF THE FIVE TO 10 YEARS OF THIS, THIS TARGET NUMBER? >> OH, YEAH, CHAIR CHUGHTAI,
VICE CHAIR KOSKI, YEAH, GETTING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, I THINK THE THIRD QUARTER REPORT IS ON THERE. I ALSO THINK THERE WAS THE SECOND QUARTER REPORT AS WELL. >>H, YES. >> THERE MAY BE, I THINK THEY'RE BOTH THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS -- THAT'S WHAT IT WAS LAST TIME YOU KNOW WHEN WE WERE HERE WAS
$15 MILLION SO BUT IF NOT YOU KNOW I CAN CERTAINLY GET THE PRESENTATION. >> NOPE, THAT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST -- THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS JUST WHAT HAS BEEN THE LAST FIVE TO N-YEAR AVERAGE OR DO YOU HAVE THAT BY YEAR? >> I ONLY REALLY OFFHAND I CAN ONLY REMEMBER THE LAST YEAR OR
TWO, BUT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION AND IT'S READILY AVAILABLE SO YEAR END YOU KNOW HOW WE FINISHED EACH YEAR FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO OR. >> YEAH, WHAT THAT TARGET WAS AND THEN WHAT THE END WAS IF YOU COULD, WHAT OFFHAND DO YOU HAVE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS?
>> I WILL SAY THAT THE ACFR DOES REPRESENT UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCES, SO AFTER THIS WE CAN PULL THE 24-23, 22, HOWEVER MANY YES WE WANT OF THE ACFR AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FAIRLY EASILY FOR YOU. OKAY, GOOD. I. >> I JUST DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP
OF MY HEAD. >> THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. IF WE COULD PROVIDE THAT AS A MEMO AND GO BACK 10 YEARS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION. IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE, JUST THE GENERAL FUND. I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE NEXT WHERE
WE SEE THE WHOLE LIST OF THE OVERSPENDING AND UNDERSPENDING. >> IT APPEARS THE COMPUTER IS FROZEN. >> IT'S OKAY. I THI WHAT I WOULD JUST -- AND AGAIN THIS, I
CAN ADD THIS AS A MEMO, BUT I SEE THERE ARE, I KNOW THAT COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN ASKED ABOUT SOME OF THE UNDERSPENDING, BUT IF WE CAN WORK WITH SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO TA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR UNDERSPENT PROJECTIONS AND GET AN ANSWER OF THE WHY, SO IF WE
COULD JUST ADD TAT TO A MEMO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS WELL. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION ALSO IS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THERE IS SOMEONE FROM FIRE. TTHANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE $5 MILLION OVER AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S DUE TO OVERTIME. >> YES. >> IS THAT CORRECT. >> YES, PRIMARILY. >> MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS WOULD WE NEED TO
ADD TO THE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER FOR US TO REDUCE THAT OVERAGE ON OVERTIME SPENDING TO ZERO? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, TO COUNCILMEMBER KOSKI, I DON'T THINK WE COULD EVER REDUCE IT T
A COMPLETE ZERO BECAUSE OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS SUCH AS STAFF MEETINGS, COVERAGE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT FOR MOST OF IT, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM LEVEL OF COVERAGE, AND I THINK I REPORTED THIS IN DIFFERENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS, I
WOULD BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD NEED AN ADDITION OF AT A MINIMUM 45 FIREFIGHTERS,. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, THAT'S MY QUESTION. >> WONDEUL, THANK YOU. AND THEN NEXT WE WILL CONTINUE WITH
COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE FOR FINANCE FIRST AND THEN THE CHIEF. OF THE $17 MILLION THAT
WERE UNACCOUNTED FOR THE PROPERTY TAX, YOU SAY SOME OF THE THAT IS COURT ORDERED, SO I TAKE IT THAT MEANS THE BUILDING OBJECTS TO THE LEVY AND THEN THEYET IT REDUCED? >> YEAH, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, YEAH, NO, THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. WE
GET NOTIFIED REGULARLY BY HENNEPIN COUNTY THAT HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN AN ADJUSTMENT IN SOMEONE'S PROPERTY TAX, CERTAINLY I CAN REMEMBER THE RAILROAD -- ONE OF THE RAILROADS THATATS IOWA POINT YOU KNOW AT ONE POINT GOT A HUGE JUDGMENT TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY TAX LOWERED,
SO THAT DOES HAPPEN REGULARLY. >> OF THE $17 MILLION UNDER ACCOUNT, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS THE COURT ORDERED UNDERACCOUNT? >>> YEAH, COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT THEY DO TRACK IT, HENNEPIN COUNTY DOES TRACK IT,
SO WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. >> WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. MY SECOND QUESTION -- >> IF I CAN JUST QUICK -- LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WAS NOTED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FOLLOW-UP SO WE ACTUALLY GET AN ANSWER. CONTINUE, GO AHEAD. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. THANK YOU. >> NO. >> CHIEF, I JUST, KIND OF A
COMPLIMENT AND A QUESTION. SOTS PHENOMENAL. NO ONE WOULD'VE ANTICIPATED IN 2020 THAT THE FORCE WOULD BE GROWING SO QUICKLY, SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT. BUT WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE GOING FORWARD? ARE
WE GOING TO SEE T THIS FAST PACED? IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WELL ON THE WAY TO THE NUMBER WE HAD IN 2020. >> COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCILMEMBER, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THIS YEAR, AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE WERE HIRING, VERSUS
THE ATTRITION RATE, EVEN WITH THE SLIGHT INCREASE THAT WE DID HAVE IN 2024, IF WE STATED THAT -- STAYED AT THAT RAT WE COULD GO TO INFINITY AND NEVER HIT 731. LITERALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE WERE
HIRING. SO IT WAS A VERY, VERY DRAMATIC INCREASE THIS YEAR IN PEOPLE THAT WE'RE HIRING, WELL OVER 100 MORE PEOPLE WE'VE HIRED FOR SWORN POSITIONS THAN WHAT WE'VE LOST. WE'VE HAD 48 SWORN MEMBERS SEPARATE, AND WE'RE ALREADY PLUS OVER 100 FROM THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS THE BIGGER FINANCIAL ISSUE FOR THE CITY IS THERE'S NO FINANCIAL PLAN REALLY TO DEAL WITH HAVING THIS MANY PEOPLE COMEN THE DOOR, THIS QUICKLY, AND STILL HAVE THE OPERATIONAL NEED. IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT IN MINNESOTA TO HIRE SOMEONE OFF THE STREET AND HAVE THEM BECOME A POLICE OFFICER. IT IS A VERY SPECIFIC COLLEGE COURSE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO, EVEN IN E CASE WE'VE HIRED ABOUT 71 PEOPLE THIS YEAR THAT
ARE CADETS SO THEY HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES READY. WE STILL HAVE TO SEND THEM TO TWO-YEAR COLGE HERE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN THEN SEND THEM TO THE POLICE ACADEMY FOR FOUR MONTHS AND THEN TRAIN THEM IN THE
STREET. SO AGAIN, IT IS A, IT IS GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, AND THIS IS A SUCCESS ON THE PART OF THE CITY WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THIS POINT, WE WERE JUST GETTING SMALLER AND THEN EVEN THE LITTLE BIT OF THE INCREASE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR WAS NOT ENOUGH TO EVER GET US TO
731, SO THIS IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT THE LARGER ISSUE AGAIN IS IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE YOU KNOW TO PAY THE SALARIES FOR THESE FOLKS, TO PA FOR THEIR TUITION, AND THEN STILL NOT GET THE OPERATIONAL BENEFIT OF ACTUALLY HAVING POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET FOR THE CITY.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB RECRUITING, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. >> THANK YOU. NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY.
>> OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU, CVP CHUGHTAI. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND A FEW COMMENTS. I WANTED TO START OFF IN THIS ACTUALLY DIGS FURTHER INTO THE 70-PAGE REPORT THAT YOU INCLUDED. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE POLICE
SPECIAL REVENUE FUND THAT HAS AN ENDING CASH BALANCE OF $3.2 MILLION AND STATES THAT THE FUNDING FROM THIS ALSO SUPPORTS POLICE BEING AT ADDITIONAL SERVICES, AT THE REQUEST OF OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS LIKE PUBLIC WORKS. I NOTICED THAT IN
2024 IN THIS REPORT THE FUND HAD ABOUT $3.5 MILLION AND NOW IT'S AT $3.2 MILLION. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE $300,000 SPENT ON AND ACTUALLY QUITE MORE SPECIFICALLY IF IT WAS SPENT OR TIED TO THE MOTORCYCLES THAT MPD
RECENTLY POSTED ABOUT. SO PROBABLY YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS BUT MAYBE SOMEONE FROM OCS OR MPD. >> YEAH, YEAH, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THEM UP TO I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS GETTING BACK TO KIND OF COURT JGMENTS
OR ACTIONS, THEY SOMETIMES HAVE TO REFUND MONEY. I BELIEVE THAT'S LIKE FORFEITURE DOLLARS THAT COME IN WHEN THE POLICE YOU KNOW SEIZE CASH OR THINGS LIKE THAT FROM PEOPLE AND THEN SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK. SO I CAN ANSWER PART OF YOUR QUESTION BUT I'LL BRING UP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO RESPOND
FURTHER. >> MM-HMM. >> THMPD FINANCE DIRECTOR THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER CONSLY, I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS, SO I THINK I'LL HAVE SOORESPOND IN A MEMO, BUT THE MOTORCYCLES WERE PURCHASED WITH FORFEITURE FUNDS, FORFEITURE
FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR ITEMS THAT WERE NOT BUDGETED SO NOT AS PART OF OUR REGULAR OPERATING BUDGET. AND IT CAN'T BE PART OF OUR BUDGET REDUCTION. SO IF THE BUDGET WAS REDUCED FOR A CERTAIN THING, WE CAN'T USE FORFEITURE TO THEN PURCHASE THAT SO IT NEEDS TO BE SUPPLEMENTAL.
>> SO THEN IT WOULD BE A QUALIFYING EXPENSE UNDER THIS POLICE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND? >>> PARDON. >> SO THAT WOULD BE A QUALIFYING EXPENSE UNDER THIS POLICE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, THE MOTORCYCLES WERE PURCHASED USING FORFEIRE FUNDS. THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> BUT THERE IS A LIST OF OTHER
THINGS TOO, LIKE TEAMS ROOMS FOR THE FACILITIES WAS A TECHNOLOGY UPGRADE THAT WESED FORFEITURE FUNDS AND THE LIST IS LONG, SO I THINK I'D PREFER TO BE MORE ACCURATE WITH A MEMO BECAUSE THE LIST IS MORE THAN 300,000. WE DO GET INCOME FROM THE
FORFEITURE FUNDS, SO THE NET OF $300,000 I THINK WE PROBABLY SPENT MORE THAN THAT. >> NO I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN THE 300,000 AND ALSO JUST WANTING TO DIG A LITTLE BIT MORE DEEPER INTOHIS OF SEEING THERE IS ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, IN ADDITION TO MPD'S GENERAL
OPERATING BUDGET THAT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT NOW HAS EXCEEDED THROUGH OUR CASH BALANCE AND OUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE. SO THERE IS ALL THESE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES THAT'S GOING TO SUPPLEMENT MPD'S QUOTE UNDWOAT, NEEDS. SO JUST GETTING CLARITY ON WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE AND YOU
ANSWERED THAT AT LEAST IN THIS PIECE. THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS RELATED TO A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING IN THE ADMINISTRATION ENTERPRISE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE RELATED TO THE VENDOR THAT'S DOING CONTRACT MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY'S PARKING LOTS AND
RAMPS.THAT CONTRACT THAT WAS RECENTLY GARNERED A LOT OF DEBATE AMONGST CAN YOU BELIEVE AND I THINK FURTHER CONVERSATIONS IN THE NEXT TERM AROUND ITS INCLUSIVITY OF OFF-DUTY OFFICERS TO WORK IN THOSE RAMPS AND THAT WAS A COMPONENT OF THAT CONTRACT. THE
DESCRIPTION OF THIS FUND, THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND FOR POLICE, SEEMED LIKE IT COULD HAVE ADDRESSED THE COSTS AND ALSO MANAGE THE PERSONNEL NEEDS FOR THOSE PARKING RAMPS. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY THIS FUND WAS NOT USED AS OPPOSED TO THE I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PARKING FUND,
WHICH WE' ALSO TALKED ABOUT AS NEEDING TO HAVE SOME STABITY IN THE COMING YEARS. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY THIS FUND WAS NOT USED INSTEAD OF THAT. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, THE, SO A PORTION OF THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND THAT'S WHERE WE USE
OFFICERS, AND WE CHARGE SAY TARGET SO THOSE ARE EQUAL EXPENSE EQUAL REVENUE. AND IF WE, IF PUBLIC WORKS, ABM CONTRACT CHANGED TO USING THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND THAT IS WHERE IT WOULD HIT. THAT'S AT ABM OR PUBLIC WORKS DISCREMGHTSZ
WE DID MEET ABO THAT SEVERAL TIMES BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DETBR TO PUBLIC WORKS ON WHAT THEIR DECISION IS REGARDING THAT. >> IS THERE, I SEE COMMISSIONER TIM SEXTON HERE BECAUSE YEAH I WOULD LIKE -- WE HAD ROBUST DEBATES AROUND THIS COMPONENT, AND ALSO AROUND WHAT, IT FELT TO
BE DUPLICATIVE IN TERMS OF US PAYING TWICE, SO I KNOW THAT TH THERE WAS A POTENTIAL OTHER FUNDING ALTERNATIVE, WHY DID WE NOT PURSUE THAT AS POSED TO JUST LOOPING THAT INTO THE ABM CONTRACT. >> YEAH, CHAIR CHUGHTAI,
COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, TIM SEXTON, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. AND COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, I APOLOGIZE. THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE STILL ONGOING. THEY'RE STILL, WE COMMITTED TO HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH MPD ABOUT THE USE OF SWORN OFFICERS FOR SECURITY, AND WE'RE STILL HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO I APOLOGIZE WE DON'T HAVE A
RESOLUTION YET. >> DO YOU KNOW PROACTIVELY -- BECAUSE BEFORE IT CAME TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION, THERE WAS AT LEAST A RATIONALE AS TO WHY IT SHOULD GO THROUGH ABM. LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW I THERE WAS EVEN KNOWLEDGE OR AWARENESS ABOUT THIS SPECIAL REVEE FUND FOR THE POLICE AS
AN OPTION. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE USE OF THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND FOR THIS PURPOSE OTHER THAN PARKING, THE PARKING FUND. AS A WAY TO PAY FOR THE SECURITY SERVICES, SO WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> OKAY, THAT SYNDS LIKE A
FOLLOW-UP MEMO ALSO FOR CLERKS. AWESOME. JUST GOING TO THE PRESENT OPTION ON SLIDE 4. IT'S NOTED THAT FLEET SERVICES NEEDED TO CUT BACK AND UHIGHLIGHT THIS ON NEEDED PURCHASES IN ORDER TO
ME THE CASH BALANCE, AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THIS IS JUST A COMMENT BEFORE I MOVE ONTO THE NEXT QUESTION THAT HAD MPD IMPLEMENTED THE OFF-DUTY FEES, THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE COULD'VE RECOUPED COSTS, THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH OFF-DUTY OFFICERS USING OUR FLEET TO DO
THEIR SIDE GIGS. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS AN OPERATIONAL CHOICE TO SLOW WALK THAT, BUT I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET MARKUP WHERE WE'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT OFF-DUTY, AND THIS IS WHY I WANT TO REFERENCE THAT, JUST ON SLIDE 4 IN ITSELF AND THE NEGATIVE FINANCIAL POSITION THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUR OTHER SERVICES IN.
BUT STAYING ON THAT SLIDE, IT DOES NOTE THAT THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND HAS THAT FORECASTED NEGATIVE POSITION OF ABOUT $57 MILLION, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS INCLUDES AND BY THIS, THE FIGURE, ALSO POTENTIAL
LIKE FUTURE POLICE MISCONDUCT ROUTS. I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF DAVID MATOURI AND LOCK'S FAMILY THAT THEY PLAN TO TAKE CIVILCTION AGAINST THE CITY AND I KNOW THAT THOSE CASES WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF
IMPACT ON THE CITY. >> COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN YOUR SECOND -- >> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THOSE -- ARE THERE ANTICIPATIONS OF SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY CLAIMS COMING FORWARD AS A FACTOR AS TO
WHY WE HAVE THAT NEGATIVE POSITION FORECASTED? >> YES, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. YES, I DO BELIEVE ANY, WE DO WORK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT. ANY POTENTIAL CLAIMS THAT WE, WE
DO TRY TO PUT IN LIABILITY FOR THAT IF IT SEEMS SERIOUS. I CAN FIND THE EXACT INFORMATION BY CONFERRING WITH THE CITY TEARCH'S OFFICE -- ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BUT THAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND THAT WE DO ESTIMATE. IT'S BASED ON KNOWN, YOU KNOW, KNOWN ACTIONS THAT MAY BE TAKEN AGAINST US OR PEOPLE THAT HAVE INDICATED THEY SEEK LEGAL ACTION
AGAINST THE CITY. >> YES IF WE CAN GET STAFF MEMO ON THAT TOO BASE SAID OFF OF YOUR FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION AROUND THE CITY ATTORNEYS ABOUT WHAT IS BEING FACTORED I INTO THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING POTE POTENTIALLY
FOR SOMEONE. I DON'T KNOW IF CITY ATTORNEY ABELSON IS AWARE. IT CAN BE NOTED IN A STAFF MEMO. >> CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, I THINK THIS IS BEST LEFT FOR STAFF MEMO, AND WE CAN TALK GENERALLY ABOUT HOW WE SET RESERVES IN THE STAFF MEMO, BUT YOU KNOW THE AMOUNT OF RESERVES THAT'S SET FOR SPECIFIC CASE
WOULD BE YOU KNOW ATTORNEY' CLIENT PRIVIGE AND REFLECT OUR ANALOGANALYSIS OF THE CASE SO IT WOULDN'T BE -- >> WE COULD REQUEST A CLOSED SESSION TO GET MORE DETAILS ON THAT IN TERMS OF THE POLICE THAT'S ATTO ATTORNEY-CLIENT
PRIVILEGE, CORRECT? >> I THINK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, CONSIDER THE LITIGATION TO TALK ABOUT THE EXPOSURE IS SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE CLOSED SESSIONS ON. >> SO ONCE THE LITIGATION IS INITIATED. >> IF OR IF THERE IS -- YOU COULD ALSO IS A CLOSED SESSION WHEN THERE IS A, A CLAIM AS WELL ON THREATENED LIGATION.
>> MM-HMM. MM-HMM. OKAY. I DEFINITELY WANT TO FOLLOW UP THERE AGAIN KNOWING SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE MADE CLAIMS AND KNOWING WHETHER IT IS PART OF THE FIGURE SO I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY TIMELY BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FOLLOW-UP, STAFF MEMO ON THAT PIECE. AND ALSO I JUST
WANT TO NOTE TOO THESE ARE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M WORKING WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE TO BRING FORIMRD AND TO CREATE THAT EXECUTIVE RIV MANAGEMENT OFFICE JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HA SOMEONE ON THE EXECUTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE THAT IS DOING THATROACTIVE RISK REDUCTION AND MITIGATION AND
IMPLEMENTING MEASURES SO WE'RE NOT CONSTANTLY PUT IN POSITIONS LI THAT. BUT JUST A COUPLE TAKEAWAYFROM THIS PRESENTATION THAT'S VERY EYE OPENING, I THINK IT IS HOWEVER YOU WANT TO ADDRESS IT UP -- DRESS IT UP,
BEING $20 MILLION OVERBUDGET WHEN MPD ALREADY HAS ONE OF THE LARGEST BUDGETS IN THE CITY, IT IS ONE OF THE GRAVE CONCERNS, AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO FRAME IT AROUND STAFFING AND WE'VE TALKED TO MPD AT LEAST THROUGH PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT A STAFFING STUDY FOLLOW-UP, AROUND HOW WE CAN REAPPROPRIATE MPD'S EXISTING RESOURCES, TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE IMPLEMENTING ACTUALLY LIKE PRIVEN METHODS THAT DOESN'T ALSO LEAD TO THIS OVERSPENDING PATTERN THAT WE'RE SEEING, SO THAT WE'RE MAXIMIZING EFFICIENCY LIKE THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT COULD'VE ACTUALLY NOT LED US HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUOUS CONVERSATION OF HOW WE'RE MAKING
SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TREATING TAXPAYER DOLLARS AS LIKE A BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE SPEND TOWARDS OVER, OVERSPENDING FOR THIS ONE DEPARTMENT THAT MEANS ONE LESS DOLLAR AVAILABLE FOR OTHER CRITICAL PRIORITIES. WE'VE
OFTEN JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THIS BUDGET MARKUP PEOPLE WANT TO SEE US DOING MORE ROBUST THINGS TOWARDS ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, TOWARDS IMPROVING WALKABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY AMONGST OUR SIDEWALKS AND THOSE TYPE OF PRIORITIES BECOME COMPROMISED WHEN WEA WE'RE PUT EGTHESE
POSITIONS WHEN WE HAVE TO BAIL OUT ONE DEPARTMENT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN CONTINUE LESKERAGING OUR BUDGETARY AUTHORITY, AND I KNOW THIS GOING TO COMPLEMENT SOME OF THE FINANCIAL POLICIES WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO REALLY THINK THROUGH HOW WE DON'T KEEP PUTTING THIS, BEING PUT IN THIS
POSITION THAT JEOPARDIZES THE FINANCIAL CREDIBILITY OF OUR CITY. SO WITH THAT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF STAFF MEMOS AND I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT INFORMATION FROM THE MOSTLY ITS MPD AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
>> WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. I WILL NEXT RECOGNIZE COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE. >> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. THIS IS ON THE MPD OVERSPEND. AND I'M CURIOUS DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN ON HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS CRITICAL STAFFING
OVERTIME VERSUS STANDARD OVERTIME AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CRITICAL STAFFING DETAILS. >> YEAH, CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE, LET ME CONFER WITH THE POLICE HERE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING --
>> [OFF MIC] >> CNCIL VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, SO I WILL LET DIRECTOR GIVE YOU THE EXACT DETAILS, BUT ON THE HIGHER LEVEL, CRITICAL STAFFING, OVERTIME THIS YEAR STARTING ON
JANUARY 1st WAS USED TO PRIORITIZE MINIMUM STAFFING IN ALL FIVE PRECINCTS AROUND THE CLOCK FOR 9-1-1 RESPONSE. IT HAD NOT BEEN USED THAT WAY PREVIOUSLY, AND SO EVERY SHIFT THAT WAS FILLED IN THE CITY TO ENSURE THERE WAS A MINIMUM LEVEL
OF POLICE OFFICERS ON EACH SHIFT IN ALL FIVE PRECINCTS WAS PAID FOR WITH CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME. SO THAT IS MORE THAN WHAT IT HAD BEEN USED IN THE PAST. THE OTHER THING THAT IT H BEEN USED FOR RELIABLY THIS YEAR WAS THE LATE NIGHT SAFETY PLANS. THAT HAD BEEN HAPPENING DOWNTOWN
FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THIS. THIS YEAR IT HAD BEEN USED IN DINKYTOWN AND IN UPTOWN AS WELL. IN ADDITION, WE ADDED THE END OF LAST YEAR I THINK SEPTEMBER OF OCTER WE ADDED A JUVENILE CURFEW TASK FORCE THAT
OPERATES AT NIGHT AND ON THE WEEKENDS WITH JUVENILE INVESTIGATORS AND OTHER OFFICERS ON A SECONDARY ASSIGNMENT THAT ASSISTS THEM DOING OUTREACH TO THE MOST AT-RISK JUVENILE OFFENDERS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. THAT HAS BEEN STAFFED ALL WITH CRITICAL STAFFING
OVERTIME, SO THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS I HAD REDUCED THE OVERALL HOURS OF THE LATE NIGHT SAFETY PLANS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. HOWEVER, THERE'S OTHER MAJOR INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR THAT REQUIRED
ADDITIONAL SPENDING WITH CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME. SO THE BIGGEST OF WHICH WAS JULY 4th OF THIS PAST YEAR. WE SPENT A LOT IN CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME AROUND THAT DAY AND THAT WEEKEND, AND I WOULD SAY IT WAS SUCCESSFUL
COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAD SEEN ON JULY 4th, THE PREVIOUS YEARS. AS WELL AS CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME DUE TO OTHER MAJOR EVENTS. WE'VE HAD MASS SHOOTINGS, OBVIOUSLY THE MOST HIGH PROFILE IS THE ENUNCIATION SHOOTING WHICH THEN AND THEN IN
THE AFTERMATH OF THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME. BUT THERE WERE OTHER INCIDENTS AS WELL, STAFFING FOR MASGID S AND SYNAGOGUES, HOUSES OF WORSHIP AS
A RESULT OF BOTH BIAS CRIMES AND OTHER INCIDENTS FRIGHTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT BEING SAID, THAT MEMO EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, WHICH WILL LEVEL SET I THINK EXPECTATIONS INTERNALLY
AS SHIFTS ARE FILLED, BUT ALSO IT WILL REDUCE, I THINK BY SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS, THE OVERALL OVERTIMEXPENDITURES. SO THAT'S THE HIGHER LEVEL AND I'D ASK THE DIRECTOR, SHE CAN GIVE YOU THE SPECIFICS WITH THE NUMBERS. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT PAYNE, SO OVERTIME AND CSOT, I DO HAVE THE TO TOLL TOTAL AMOUNT FOR EACH YEAR BUT WE DO LOOK AT OVERTIME IN THE AGGREGATE BECAUSE WE DON'T BUDGET THAT SEPARATELY SO FOR 2025CSOT WAS $6.5 MILLION. IN
2024, IT WAS $15.6 MILLION. THE TOTAL OVERTIME AND CSOT IS $31 MILLION IN 2025, AND 27.1 IN 2024. SO THAT'S A 12% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. AND THE BUDGET
FOR OVERTIME IN 2024 WAS $13.7 MILLION. AND THE BUDGET FOR OVERTIME IN 2025 IS $5.9 MILLION. AND THAT REPRESENTS THE INTENTION TO USE VACANCY SAVINGS TO PAY FOR OVERTIME AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN OVER BUDGET DUE
TO THE INFLUX OF THE RECRUITING. >> CHAIR AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ONE OTHE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION, WITH, WITH PRIORITIZING 9-1-1 RESPONSE AND ADDING MANAGERIAL CONTROLS, WITHOUT A, THERE'S REALLY A NEGLIGIBLE GAIN
IN SWORN PERSONNEL ON THE STREET OVER THE LAST YEAR. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED RESPONSE TIMES, ESPECIALLY TO THIS POINT NOW. IT IS WE'RE ABOUT 2 MINUTES MORE THAN 2 MINUTES FASTER RESPONDING TO PORITY 1 CALLS, WHICH ARE THE HIGHEST,
YOU KNOW, THE EMERGENES, EMERGENCY CALLS, PRIORITY 2 CALLS ARE SEVERAL MINUTES FASTER IN TER OF RESPONSE. AGAIN, WITHOUT A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN EITHER THE SWORN STAFFING ALLOCATION IN THE PRECINCTS OR THE CALL LOAD, THE WORKLOAD. SO
I THINK THAT'S BOTH A RESULT OF HAVING FILLED THE SHIFTS, AND ALSO ADDING ADDITIONAL MANAGERIAL CONTROLS TO MAKE SUR WE'RE RESPONDING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. SO I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A GAIN TO THE RESIDENTS OF
THE CITY. >> DOES THE MAYOR'S CURRENT RECOMMENDED BUDGET TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OPERATIONAL CHANGES AT YOU HAVE PUT INTO PLACE, MEANING ARE WE ASSUMING VACANCY SAVINGS THAT WON'T BE THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE OFF THE MARKET
AGAI AGAIN -- MARK AGAIN COME ONE YEAR FROM NOW OR ARE WE ACCURATELY FORECASTING THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED GIVEN OUR ACTUAL STAFFING REALITY? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE '26 BUDGET FOR SURE BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT
CHANGE IN THE OVERTIME BUDGET. IT WASN'T INCREASED, AND WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THE INFLUX OF THIS RECRUITMENT. SO WE DO HAVE TO REGROUP AND REDISCUSS AND CREATE SOME PROJECTIONS ON WHAT '26 IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THOSE MITIGATION EFFORTS WILL BE. >> LET'S START THAT WORK NOW
BECAUSE I THINK THE OUTRAGE YOU MIGHT BE GETTING FROM THE DAIS RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT WAS -- WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SURPRISED BY A $19 MILLION OVERAGE. WE SHOULD'VE KNOWN THIS FOR MONTHS, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE KNOW TODAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER OVERAGE LET'S NOT PRETEND THAT 'S GOING TO BE A SURPRISE A YEAR FROM NOW. SO LET'S, LIKE
LET'S GET ON T OF THAT. LET'S BE VERY TRANSPARENT, NOT JUST WITH US B WITH OUR COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU. NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR -- NOT VICE CHAIR, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. I
DON'T WANT TO EXTEND OUR CONVERSATION TOO LONG, SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK FOR AN ADMINIRATIVE MEMO. I WANT TO JUST GET IN WRITING THE REASONS FOR THE OVERAGES ACROSS THE
DEPARTMENTS THA HAD A LARGER SPEND ON THEIR BUDGE,TS, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE THREE AREAS NAMED, BACK PAY, SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT EXPENDITURES, NEW HIRES, AND ARE
THERE ANY OTHER CATEGORIES TO KIND OF GET INTO DETAILS OF HOW THAT WAS SPENT? SAME FOR FIRE. I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND MORE IN NUMBERS HOW WE ENDED UP HERE AND
I'LL JUST S I THINK SOMETHING THAT I'M PONDERING IS AS WE'RE HIRING MORE CSOs AND THAT IS CAUSING A LARGER INCREASE IN BUDGET SPEND, AND WE'RE ALSO SPENDING MORE IN CRITICAL
STAFFING OVERTIME, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLEAR EXPLANATION TO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START SEEING OVERTIME GO DOWN IF WE'RE SEEING NEWER HIRES, WHAT'S OUR FINANCIAL PLAN INTO THE FUTURE. AND I THINK THAT FALLS ON THE
OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY TO ARTICULATE AND I WAS ALSO TROUBLED TO HEAR THAT THAT REVIEW AND OVERSIGHT CONVERSATIONS HAVE QUOTE UNQUOTE, JUST STARTED. I THINK IT SHOULD'VE STARTED AS SOON AS WE STARTED TO SEE AN OVERAGE
JUST CONTINUE TO INCREASE AND INCREASE, AND AT WHAT POINT, AND AT WHAT POINT DOES A DEPARTMENT START KIND OF INTERNALLY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS? IS IT AT THE $5 MILLION MARK? S IT AT
THE $7 MILLION MARK BECAUSE YEAH WATCHING A $19.6 MILLION OVERSPEND IS A LOT TO ABSWRORB. ABSORB. IT IS REALLY SURPRISING AND THIS CAN'T BE A TREND THAT CONTINUES BUDGET YEAR AFTER BUDGET YEAR. IT'S A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT PICTURE
THAN IT WAS DURING LAST YEAR'S THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT. SO THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> THANK YOU. AND CLERKS, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE NOTED THE FOLLOW-UP FROM COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. PUT MYSELF IN QUEUE
JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I WANT TO, THIS IS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS BACK PAY ISSUE. TELL ME ABOUT WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. AS ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTORS OF THE OVERAGE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, I HAD BEEN
AWARE OF SOME BACK PAY, BUT IT WAS THE NUMBERS I HAD HEARD ORIGINALLY AT THE BEGINNING THAT I WAS PROJECTING WAS $350,000. SO I WAS SURPRISED AT THE $2.5 MILLION. IT DID INCLUDE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE CONTRACTS WEREN'T SETTLED LIKE AT WHAT POINT THOSE CONTRACTS
WERE SETTLED BECAUSE IT IS A NEW CONTRACT, A NEW UNIONIZED GROUP. AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME BACK PAY FROM THE FEDERATION. THEY WERE STILL WORKING OUT PREMIUMS AND SOME SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL FROM '24 THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A VALUE FOR.
SO THAT IS ONE. AND E I DID WANT TO ADD CLARIFICATION THAT WE WE DO MEET MONTHLY WITH FINANCE SO THE OVERTIME PROJECTION HAS NOT CHANGED THROUGH THE WHOLE YEAR. THEETTLEMENT COSTS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROJECTIONS, AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU CONTINUED TO SEE AN INCREASE. IT'S A
CITYWIDE APPROVED CFO APPROVAL PROCESS, AND THEIR ONE-TIME COST, AND SO THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROJECTIONS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE YEAR BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'LL BE. >> GOTCHA. I MEAN, FIRST CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT DID THE
ACTUALS END ULBEING FOR BACK PAY? >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, $2.5 MILLION. >> 2.5. I HAD THAT WRITTEN WRONG. THEN MOVING INTO, SO NEW
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, CAME UP IN MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT YOU HAVE WITH FINANCE THAT THE REALITY OF OVERTIME WOULD LOOK THE WAY IT DOES, AND THAT THIS WOULD RESULT IN THIS LARGE OVERAGE FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S
BUDGET. WHAT OTHER TYPES OF CHOICES WERE MADE OR DID YOU BRING TO THE -- LIKE HOW -- WHEN DID YOU BRING THIS TO THE LEADERSHIP TEAM OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING, AND WERE THERE ANY
DISCUSSIONS TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE AT ANY POINT OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR ABOUT HOW TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET TO ACCOMMODATE SUCH A SIGNIFICANT OVERAGE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, IN QUARTER 2 I BELIEVE THE PROJECTION WAS
$12 MILLION, AND THAT WAS RELATED TO OVERTIME, AND THAT WAS BEFORE I KNEW THE LEVEL OF INFLUX OF THE RECRUITMENT, SO THE PAYROLL IS WHAT JUMPED GREATLY FRO QUARTER 2 TO QUARTER 3. BUT NOW WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WHICH WOULD BE CONNECT TO HR AND KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING ON
BOARD IN ORDER TO KIND OF CALCULATE THAT. THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE PROJECTION. SO I WOULD SAY IN QUARTER 2 EVERYBODY WAS AT THE TABLE REGARDING THAT. HISTORICALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ABLE TO UTVACCANCY SAVINGS TO FUND THAT
SO ORIGINALLY WE WEREN'T TOO CONCERNED. WE DID HAVE MITIGATION EFFORTS IN PLACE FOR SAYING NO TO PROPERTY SERVICES PROJECTS, HAVING APPROVALS IN PLACE. AND THAT WAS BEFORE SOME MANAGER INCIDENTS HAPPENED -- MAJOR INCIDENTS HAPPENED. I ALSO DIDN'T -- WASN'T AWARE
THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONTRACT WITH THE STATE PATROL TO THE LEVEL THAT WE DID. WE KNEW ABOUT 4th OF JULY. THAT IS STANDARD. THAT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT DETAILS AT SYNAGOGUES AND CHURCHES, SETS, SO ET CETERA, SO THER WERE
MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED EMERGENCY RELATED THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO SCALE BACK ON THE REDUCTION IN CRIME. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT WHEN WE CONSIDER MITIGATION. HOW FAR CAN WE SCALE BACK OVERTIME WITHOUT AFFECTING CRIME, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR GOALS. >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. SO I'LL LEAVE THE
REMAINDER OF M MY QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FOLLOW-UP AS WELL OUT OF INTEREST IN TIME AND THEN CHIEF I WILL COME TO YOU TO ADD THE THOUGHT THAYOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FOLLOW-UP TO KNOW IF ANY REGULAR OVERTIME WAS
USED WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO THERE WAS AN EARLIER QUESTION BY PRESIDENT PAYNE ABOUT CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME, AND SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET BACK FROM THE DEPARTMENT TOTE NUMBER OF HOURS IN OVERTIME AND A BREAKDOWN OF CRITICAL STAFFING VERSUS REGULAR
OVERTIME. >> THE NEXT THING IS IT'D BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND, SO I BELIEVE THE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLN PERSONNEL. WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST OF THOSE VACANCIES, AND
THEN HOW WAS THAT USES IN THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET, REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHAT'S THE REAL NUMBER OF HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH OVERTIME COSTS ARE DRIVING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE
BUDGET. SO HOW MUCH DID YOU USE VACANCY SAVINGS VERSUS WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR OVERTIME AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL OVERAGE ON TOP OF THAT AND THEN THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE LLOW-UP. CHIEF, TO YOU AND THEN I HAVE ONE MINUTE ON THE
CLOCK. THEN WE WILL HAVE TO WRAP UP. >> SO CHAIR, VICE PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I DID ISSUE AN ORDER LISTING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO SUPERVISORY REVIEW AND MANAGERIAL REVIEW OVER CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME AND REGULAR
OVERTIME SO I BELIEVE THAT DID HAVE AN IMPACT TO ENSURE GREATER LEVELS OF ACCOUNTABILITY. AS DIRECTOR TROSWICK WAS STATING, WE HAVE HAD DURING THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO FISH
THIS YEAR WITH THE NORTH SIDE OF MINNEAPOLIS HAVING THE FEWEST NUMBER OF SHOOTING VICTIMS SINCE THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS HAS TRACKED SHOOTING VICTIMS. LITERALLY. AND HISTORICALLY THE FOURTH PRECINCT HAD THE MAJORITY, MORE THAN HALF OF SHOOTING VICTIMS. SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. WHAT IS ALSO BEEN
HAPPENING THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO RESPOND TO ARE PROBLEMS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MNEAPOLIS. OVER THE SECOND HALF OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD A LOT OF STREET CRIME A WHAT OF ROBBERIES, A LOT OF
ROBB ROB -- INCLUDING MULTIPLE VICTIM SHOOTING INCIDENTS SO WE DID COBS TRAIT A LOT OF OUR ADDITIONAL -- CONCENTRATE A LOT OF OUR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WITH CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME AND REGULAR OVERTIME BUT ALSO LOBBIED THE STATE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PATROLS AND ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, AND THAT BOTH OF WHICH WAS NOT
ANTICIPATED BUT WAS OBVIOLY NEEDED IN RESPONSE TO THE CHANGING DYNAMICS OF STREET CRIME. >> WONDERFUL,HANK YOU. WITH
THAT I'M NOT SEEINGG SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO FILE THIS REPORT AND WE ARE NOW READY TO MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO MARKUP. WE WILL NOW CONTINUE CONSIDERING REVISIONS TO MAYOR FREY'S 2026 RECOMMENDED
BUDGET. A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE HOSTING THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BUDGET TOMORROW, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9th, AT 6:05 P.M. THIS IS OUR STATUTORILY REQUIRED TRUTH IN TAXATION HEARING. WE MADE EXCELLENT PROGRESS LAST
WEEK ON THE MARKUP PACKET, FINISHING REVIEW OF AMENDMENTS NUMBER 1 THROUGH 26 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER 16, WHICH WE POSTPONED. AS WE WORK THROUGH THE BUDGET TODAY, I'M GOING TO REMIND ALL OF US ONCE MORE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHERND THE
PROCESS. SPEECHES AS A REMINDER WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO PER MOTION. THE FIRST SPEECH MAY NOT EXCEED SEVEN MINUTES AND THE SECOND SPEECH MAY NOT EXCEED FIVE MINUTES. DO MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE BEGIN? I AM NOT SEEING ANY, BUT I DO SEE THAT EVERYONE HAS THEIR
BINDERS. THAT'S EXCELLENT. SO WITH THAT WE ARE READY TO BEGIN PROGRESS ON THE AMENDMENT PACKET. I WILL RECOGNIZE THE AUTHOR OF EACH AMENDMENT TO INTRODUCES THEIR MOTION AND THEN WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT BEFORE TAKING A VOTE. STAFF
FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE IS ON HAND TO ANSWER QUESTNS THAT MAY ARISE DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS AS WELL AS THE DEPARTMENTS WHOSE BUDGETS ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR CHANGES. I WILL NOTE THAT WE HAVE A HARD CUT-OFF TODAY AT 4 P.M., BUT WE DO HAVE SOME TIME
TOMORROW MORNING ALONG WITH TIME TOMORROW AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING CONCLUDES FOR ANY BUSINESS THAT WE DON'T GET TODAY. I AM AWARE OF SOME REVISIONS TO EXISTING AMENDMENTS THAT AUTHORS WANT TO GO BACK AND
MAKE, SO OR ARE BEING WORKED OUT AT THE REQUEST OF THE ADMINISTRATION SO WE WILL WORK THOSE OUT AT ONE OF TWO ADDITIONAL TIMES. SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT WE TABLED ON FRIDAY, AMENDMENT NUMBER 16, AND THEN PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF WITH AMENDMENT
NUMBER 27. AMENDMENT NUMBER 16 IS RELATED TO MPD OFF-DUTY FEES AND FOR THAT, WHICH IS PRESENTED BY COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE. COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY WILL YOU PLEASE REINTRODUCE YOUR AMENDMENT AND MAKE A MOTION.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. THIS AMENDMENT RELATED TOPD OFF-DUTY FEES IS A UNCHANGED-TIME ALLOCATION TO MPD FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OFF-DUTY PROGRAM. THIS FIGURE IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM M'S PRESENTATION ON OFF-DUTY FEESS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE PUBLIC
HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE JUST THIS PAST MAY. ON FRIDAY, MANY OF US LEARNED THAT MPD IS NEARLY $20 MILLION OVER ITS ALREADY LARGE $255 MILLION BUDGET, ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE CITY. AND THE PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST
RECEIVED FROM FINANCE ALSO CONFIRMED THIS. THAT ALONE UNDECORES -- MY MOUTH'S KIND OF DRY. THAT ALONE UNDERSCORES THE NEED TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT IN TACT AS IT PROVIDES MPD WITH THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO
IMPLEMENT OFF-DUTY FEES IN 2026 AND RECOUP UP TO $1.4 MILLION TO OFFSET THE COSTS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS WHO HAVE BEEN SUBSIDIZING OFFICERS, MPD, SORRY, OFFICERS, OFF-DUTY PROGRAM AT TT TUNE AND WOULD
ACTUAACTUALLY GIVE THOSE T TAXPAYERS A MODEST RELIEF. ALTHOUGH THIS IS A EARMARK, AGAIN THIS FULL AMOUNT CAN BE RECOUPED THROUGH THE FEES ONCE MPD IMPLEMENTS THE PROGRAM, WHICH COUNCIL HAS ALREADY GIVEN THEM AUTHORITY TO BEGIN COLLECTING IN 2026. AGAIN THIS
YEAR WE'VE PASSED SEVERAL ORDINANCES TO ALLOW MPD TO IMPLEMENT FEES, STARTING IN 2026, AND THAT GOAL HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE ADMINISTRATION THROUGHOUT THIS PAST YEAR AS WE'VE ADVANCED THAT LEGISLATIVE WORK FORWARD. COUNCIL EVEN PASSED OFF-DUTY FEES INTO 2026 FEE SCHEDULE, AND
IF THE MAYOR HAD ISSUES WITH THAT, HE HAD TIME TO MAKE THEM KNOWN OR EVEN VETO THAT ACTION AS HE'S DONE WITH OTHER MEASURES LIKE P P CARD THIS YEAR BUT HE DID NOT DO THAT. I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM THE COO THAT THERE IS
ENTERPRISE WIDE TECHNOLOGY CHANGE THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE AND ARE GOING THROUGH THAT THEY ANTICIPATE MPD WILL BE PART OF AND THAT WILL START IN 2027 AND WHILE THAT'S GREAT, THIS AMENDMENT IS ABOUT ALLOCATING THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO IMEMENT OFF-DUTY FEES IN 2026.
AND A SOLUTION IS NEEDED FOR THAT AND THIS AMENDMENT ALLOWS FOR THATO ONCE AGAIN THERE HAS BEEN LOTS OF CONVERSATION AROUND HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE OVERSPENDING THAT WE JUST HEARD OF. THIS PRESENTS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MPD TO RECOUP $1.4 MILLION STARTING IN 2026,
AND NOT ALLOW TAXPAYERS TO SUBSIDIZE THIS PROGRAM ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE HAVING TO CONTEMPLATE A BUDGET THAT'S GROWING TIGHTER AND TIGHTER. SO THAT SAID, I WILL MOTION APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT AND ASK FOR A SECOND.
>> SOND. >> THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M NOT SEEING -- OH, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >>> MADAM CHAIR, MPD DID GIVE A
PRESENTATION ON THIS IN COMMITTEE. THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE COST TO RUN THE PROGRAM. NOT THE IMPLEMENTATION COSTS OF THE PROGRAM. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE DEALING WITH THE MOTION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY
IN OUR PACKETS.THERE ISN'T ANY CHANGE TO THIS. THE SOURCE OF THAT IS PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES, ANDHAT'S MOSTLY PRECINCT OPERATIONS AND STAFFING, AND SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WILL THIS CUT TO OPERATIONS AND EARMARK IS A CUT, WHAT KIND OF
CUT WOULD THIS BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT TO THIS CUT? >> IF THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT PRECINCT OPERATIONS AND STAFFING, I HAVE TO TELL YOU I SHARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS' CONCERNS THAT THEY SHOW UP TO A
PRECINCT WITH A PARTICULAR NEED AND IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND SOMEBODY THERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS ON DUTY. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO HELP -- US UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS? >> WELL, I SEE THE COMMISSIONER JUST WALKED OUT OF THE CHAMBERS,
SO I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S GOING TO GRAB SOMEONE. YELL YES, HE'S GOING TO GRAB SOMEONE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IF WE CAN JUST PAUSE COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO'S TIMER. LET'S WAIT SO THAT WE DON'T USE UP ALL YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, ACTUALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAUSE THE TIMER.
I CAN KD OF SHARE SOME OF MY OTHER -- ON THE OTHER HAND, GIVEN THAT PROFESSIONAL STAFF MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY CAN'T ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS ORDINANCE NEXT YEAR ANYWAY, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID IN THE COMMITTEE, SO NOT EVERYBODY HEARD THAT, WHY WOULD BE MAKING
THIS CUT NOW? BASED ON THEIR OWN DECISIONS AND THEIR OWN TIMELINE WE SHOULD BE MAKING THIS CUT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AFF MADE IT CLEAR THAT AN I.T. SYSTEM TO DO THIS WORK IS ALREADY IN THE WORKS. BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT KIND OF AN
IMPACT THIS CUT WOULD BE TO OPERATIONS. FOR THIS TROSWICK, I BELIEVE AS YOU'RE JUST WALKING INTO THIS CONVERSATION, THE SOURCE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS A CUT TO PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S PRECINCT OPERATIONS AND
STAFFING. I'M CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF AN IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE, THE AMOUNT BEING CUT IS $329,000. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MPD OFF-DUTY FEES RIGHT NOW. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, I WOULD SAY THE 300,000 CUT IS MINIMAL. IT'S
STILL A VERY TIGHT BUDGET IN TH AREA. THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD -- IF IT'S THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET, WHILE THAT'S A VERY LARGE BUDGET, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET IS PERSONNEL, AND THEN JAIL FEES IS ABOUT 1 POINT THREE $000,000 OF
IT. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DUSCRETIONARY SPENDING IN THAT AREA. THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THE IMPACT OF THIS REALLY RELATES TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 17 THAT WAS PASSED, AND THAT IF THE REVENREVENUE ISN'T GENERATED THE $1 MILLION CUT TO
PUBLIC SAFETY IS A LARGER ISSUE THAN THIS 364 THAT HAS THE SAME SOURCE. AND OUR RESPONSE A IN THE MEMO IS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE IT COULD RESULT IN CIVILIAN LAYOFFS. WE ONLY HAVE I BELIEVE 12 CIVILIAN VACANCIES RIGHT NOW
TO LOOK AT, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE IN PROGRESS. SO IT IS CONCERNING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE IMPACT TO THAT. >> I SEE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER TO THAT. I GUESS
WE'RE GETTING THE ANSWER THAT IT'S BOTH MIN MINIMAL BUT IT COULD ALSO RESULT IN CIVILIAN LAYOFFS OR NOT FILLING OPEN FTEs. AND THEN NEXT I SEE
COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. >> YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANT TO NOTE AGAIN THERE IS LITERALLY A PRESENTATION THAT MPD DID THEMSELVES AFT SEVERAL YEARS OF TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO THE STUDY IN THE FIRST PLACE, ON O-DUTY THAT WE TOOK THIS NUMBER FROM. IT SAYS 329054.
THAT IS THE COST TO IMPLEMENT BY MPD'S OWN ESTIMATE. THAT'S NOT ROBIN'S IMPLEMENTATION COST THAT I JUST CONJURED UP. SO THEY DID GIVE US A COST OF WHAT IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE PERSONNEL AND ALSO THE SOFTWARE NEEDED TO DO A 2026 IMPLEMENTATION THAT'S ALWAYS
BEEN CLEAR. AND ALSO I WANT TO STRAY AWAY FROMAYING THIS IS A CUT BECAUSE WE'VE AUTHORIZED FEE COLLECTION ONHIS, THIS ALLOWS MPD TO RECOUP WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY SUBSIDIZING RIGHT NOW AS A $1.4 MILLION COST TO TAXPAYERS
FOR THIS PROGRAM THAT ONLY BENEFITS OFFICERS WHILE THAR RIR DOING THEIR SIDE GIGS. THIS DOES NOT GO INTO A PUBLIC BENEFIT BY NO MEANS. SO WE GOT THESE NUMBERS FROM THEM, AND ALSO AGAIN THEY CAN RECOUP THE COST OF IT AND THAT IS WHY WE'RE PRETTY MUCH HOLDING FIRM ON A
COLLECTION TO START IN 2026 AS OPPOSED TO 202 YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IN REVENUE VIA THIS FEE, AND ACTUALLY REDUCE THE BURDEN OF FINANCIAL STRAIN THAT'S BEING PLACED ON TAXPAYER DOLLARSENCE BY THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD ABOUT MPD GOING $20 MILLION OVER HEAD.
ALSO I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS I.T. WHICH WE HEARD THAT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, THE I.T. NEED. THIS ACTUALLY HAS BEEN CITED AS AN EXCUSE OR RATIONALE FOR WHY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO IMPLEMENTATION OF OFF-DUTY ACTUALLY QUITE FRANKLY FROM COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO'S WHEN
YOU WERE LDING QUOTE ON QUOTE ON OFF DUTY FEES SINCE 2019. WE HAVE SEEN THIS RECYCLED TIME AND TIME AGAIN. MPD HAS THE ABILITY, AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY VENDORS WHO SAID WE CAN GIVE THEM THE SOFTWARE TODAY IF THEY DO A BID. AND THIS IS DOES NOT CONFLICT
WITH THE WORK THEY'RE DOING IN I.T. TO DO AN OVERRULE DATABASE HAUL. THEY CAN GO FORWARD WITH THE WORK AND WITH SOFTWARE NEEDED TO TRACK OFF-DUTY WHICH THEY SAID THEY ARE NOT DOING. SO THIS GIVES THEM THE RESOURCES TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS AND COLLECT THOSE FEES, AND ACTUALLY
TAKE A FINANCIAL BARRIER OFF THE PLATES OF THOUSANDS OF TAXPAYERS FOR ONE PROGRAM THAT I THINK WE'VE ALL COLLECTIVELY AGREE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCES TIED TO THIS HAVE BEEN USUALLY PASSED WITH NEAR UNANIMOUS SUPPORT, THAT WE WANT TO SEE REGULATION OF THIS PROGRAM. THIS GIVES THEM THE RESOURCES TO DO SO. SO
WITH THAT, I WILL ASK FOR MY COLLEAGUES' SUPPORT. >> DIRECTOR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? I SAW YOU COME BACK. >> [OFF MIC] >> I THINK YOU -- I THINK YOU SHOULD BE GOOD. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. JUST TO BE CLEAR,
THE PRESENTATION THAT I GAVE REGARDING T OFF-DUTY FEE THAT WAS TO CALCULATE WHAT THE FEE WOULD BE TO RECOVER TO FULLY FUND COLLECTING A FEE. AS STATED IN THE PRESENTATION, IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE IMPLEMENTATION, SO THAT FEE IS JUST FOR THE WORK THAT THE
PEOPLE DOES. THE SECOND BULLET ON THE SECOND PAGE SAYS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE IMPLEMENTATION. >> GREAT, THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH, DIRECTOR. COUNCILMEMBEVESTAW.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WAS JUST, I NEED A CLARIFYING QUESTION ANSWERED. HERE DO THE OFF-DUTY FEES GO? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T GO BACK TO THE MPD, I THOUGHT THEY WENT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. >> I'M GOING TO INVITE BUDGET
DIRECTOR DISCENZA TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE, WHERE THAT ROVE N REVENUE GOES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CHUG TEE, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. TYPICALLY ALL OF THE FEES UNLESS THEY'R IN A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND GO TO THE GENERAL FUND
OVERALL. WHEN WE SET PARTMENT BUDGETS WE DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THEY'RE BRINGING IP. WE USE THE CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL METHOD OF BUDGET SO MMED WOULD NOT BE A BUDGET INCREASE TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS ADDITIONAL REVENUE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> BUT IT WOULD ALLEVIATE PRESSURE ON THE PROPERTY TAX
LINE. >> RIGHT. AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE TIMELINE. COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY IS SAYING THAT MPD WANTS THIS IMPLEMENTATION NEXT YEAR, AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO YOU'RE SAYING T FOLLOWING -- NO? OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE 2026.
>> I CAN SPEAK TO AS AUTHOR, THE ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE PASSED HAS BEEN FOR 2026 IMEMENTATION. THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DO A 2027 IMPLEMENTATION. >> RIGHT, AND WE, WHEN WE GOT THE PRESENTATION, THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID TO US IS THAT 2027 IMPLEMENTATION WAS MORE SUITABLE
FOR WHAT THEY NEEDED, RIGHT? >> AND WE PASSED FOR 2026. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> WONDERFUL. COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. >> YEAH, I AM TRYG TO CATCH UP AND SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE
OFF-DUTY POLICY OR ORDINANCE. >> THE -- >> CAN YOU JUST -- YEAH, THE OFF-DUTY, THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED ALREADY BY THE COUNCIL, THE FEE SCHEDULE HAS ALSO BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL. >> OKAY.
>> [OFF MIC] >> OKAY. NO, N MY DISCUSSION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT -- CAN WE HAVE AONVERSATION ABOUT THE OFF-DUTY AND WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING OFF-DUTY OFFICERS. ARE WE IMPLEMENTING
OFFICER NOT TO TAKE THEIR SQUAD CAR WHEN THEY GO TO OFF DUTY? >> NO, THIS -- COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION? >> SO AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN, THE 2026 FEE SCHEDULE CAME THROUGH THIS, AS PART OF
THE OFF-DUTY FEES WE AUTH AUTHORIZED, IT AUTHORIZED PRICG FOR AN OFFICER WITH A SQUAD CAR AND WITH NO SQUAD CAR SO THAT'S THE FIGURE THAT'S PASSED. I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME, THAT ALLOWS US TO COLLECT THE FEE ON THESE THINGS SO AGAIN, THERE HAS BEEN ROBUST
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS FOR OVER A YEAR. WE'VE PASSED AT LEAST AT MINTHEM THREE ORDINANCES TO ALL TIED TO THEM. >> OKAY, JUST OVERRULE COMMENT
FOR ME IS -- OVERALL COMMENT FOR ME IS I BELIEVE IF WE PUT OFFICERS ON CHARGE THEM FOR THE VEHICLE THEY TAKE, THEY WILL NOT BE-- THEY WILL BE TAKING THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES, AND WHAT IS
TOLD BY HAVING AN OFF-DUTY FOR EXAMPLE SOMEWHERE IN A BUSINESS WHEN THINGS HAPPEN OR CRISES HAPPEN THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO GET IN THE VEHICLE, GO TAKE CARE OF THAT CRISIS, AND ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THIS AND IF IT CREATES A PROBLEM WHERE OFFICERS LEAVE THEIR SQUAD VEHICLES BEHIND AND
TAKE THEIR PERSONAL CAR, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME RESPONSE. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. >> CAN I OFFER A CLARIFITION ON THAT? THAT IS NOT WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL, COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE ACTUALLY SUPPORTS STILL OFFICERS, BECAUSE
NOT ALL OFFICERS USE SQUAD CARS WHEN THEY'RE DOING OFF DUTY. WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IS THERE HAVE BEEN NO FEES COLLECTED BECAUSE THEY ARE USING CITY OWNED RESOURCES TO DO THIS, SO WE'VE JUST ATTACH A FEE. IF A OFFICER WILL LIKE TO TAKE OFF-DUTY BID AND USE A SQUAD
CAR, HERE'S A FEE FOR THAT. THAT'S CHARGED TO WHOEVER IS SOLICITING THOSE RESOURCES AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT FEE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. IF AN OFFICER HAS AN OFF-DUTY GIG WHERE THEY DON'T WANT TO USE A UAD CAR, THEN THERE IS A SEPARATE FEE FOR THAT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS. SO THAT'S IT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT PUSHING THEM TO USE OFF-DUTY CARS. IT BASICALLY ALLOWS US TO RECOUP THE COST FOR THE OFFICER TO USE CITY OWNED RESOURCES TO DO IT NOW. >> AND JUST TO CLARIFY, NO ONE, THE OFFICER THEMSELF IS NOT PAYING THAT AMOUNT, RIGHT? THAT
ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. OKAY, COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN, I BIEVE YOU'RE IN QUEUE A SECOND TIME. THAT MUST BE AN ACCIDENT. >> YES. >> YEAH? ALL RIGHT, SEEING N FURTHER DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 16, MPD OFF-DUTY FEES, CLUR PLEASE CALL THE ROLL -- CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE. >> AYE. >> WONSLEY. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> AYE. >> VETAW. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> NO. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JENKINS. >> AYE. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> CHOWDHURY.
>> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> AYE. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> AYE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THAT IS 11 AYES AND 1 NAY. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 27. RIGHT? WE COMPLETED 26. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST REORDED MY PACKET HERE. ALL RIGHT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 27 IS 30th
STREET STRIVE IMPLEMENTATION OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBERS CHAVEZ, JENKINS, CHOWDHURY, AND WONSLEY. COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOUR AMENDMENT AND MAKE A MOTION? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI.
THIS 30th STREET PROGRAM IS BEING AUTHED BY MYSELF, COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS, COUNCILMEMBER CHAUDHARY, AND COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. THIS FUND GIVES THE ABILITY TO INVEST COLLECTIVELY IN STABILIZING PHYSICAL PROPERTY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. IT GIVES FUING FOR EVENTS, MARKETING,
AND A BRANDING STRATEGY, FUNDING FOR OWNERSHIP AND PRESERVATION OF HOMES AND BUSINSES AND ECONOMIC SECURITY AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN WHICH IS REALLY CRITICAL TO THE RESIDENTS IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS WHO HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE STRONG IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 38T STREET THRIVE PLAN. WE BELIEVE
THAT THIS FUNDING WILL HELP ACHIEVE MANY OF THE STRATEGIES IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN. BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I'D LIKE TO PASS IT TO COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM AS WELL AND MAKE A MOTION. >>> COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND COCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. YEAH, I AM THRILLED TO OFFER THIS AMENDMENT SO THAT WE CAN REALLY BEGIN THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS AROUND THE 38th STREET THRIVE
PLAN THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL I BELIEVE IN 20, 19, AND WE STILL HAVE YET TO REALLY INVEST IN THE
IMPLEMENTATION. I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, 38th STREET IS A, HAS BECOME A DESTINATION FOR VISITORS AND TRAVELERS FROM ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND
SUBSEQUENTLY AROUND THE WORLD, AND WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN THIS PROCESS, NOT ONLY TO IMPROVEHE COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUND 38th STREET BUT TO LIFT IT UP TO THE SIGNIFICAE
THAT IT HAS GARNERED AS A RESULT OF THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE HAS BECOME A PROMINENT DESTINATION, AND
DESERVES THIS INVESTMENT BY THE CITY TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUSINESSES, HOMEOWNERSHIP, ENTREPRENEURSHIP IN THE AREA. AND I WOULD MOVE
THIS AMENDMENT. >> IS THERE A SECOND? WONDERFUL, WE HAVE AROPER MOTION BEFORE US. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND THANK YOU, AUTHORS FOR PUTTING THIS FORWARD. IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM OUR PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAD IN THE CLIMATE AND
INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE LAST THURSDAY THAT THE UNANIMOUS VIEW OF EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THE SMALL BUSINESSES OF THE AREA AND THE COMMUNITY RESOURCES OF THE AREA DESERVE MORE INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT AND THIS IS HOW WE CAN PUT OUR MONEY
WHERE OUR MOUTH IS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SUPPORT FOR 38th STREET AND THE CHICAGO CORRIDOR. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF YOU WOULD BE WILDING TO ADME -- WILTING TO ADD ME RAZZ -- WILLING TO ADD ME AS A COAUTHOROON THIS AMENDMENT. SEEING A THUMBS UP FROM SOME OF THE AUTHORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> WONDERFUL AND THEN I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. I REALLY APPRECIATE --
>> [OFF MIC] >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FIRST OF ALL, TO COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND THEN JUST TAKING THE TIME TO
REALLY BE A VOICE ON THE CITY COUNCIL FOR INVESTMENT INTO AREAS OF OUR CIT THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERINVESTED IN FOR A REALLY, REALLY LONG TE AND THEN A BIG THANK YOU TO COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP NOT
ONLY AS A COUNCILMEMBER BUT EVEN PRIOR TO BEING A COUNCILMEMBER AS A POLICY AIDE FOR THE 8th WARD FOR 38th AND 38th IN CHICAGO. I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON SINCE YOU GOT ELECTED.
YEAR BE YEAR, DAY IN, DAY OUT, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M REALLY PROUD OF YOU AND YOUR OFFICE'S WORK TO BRING THIS BIG ALLOCATION FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR LAST BUDGET AS 8th WARD CITY COUNCILMEMBER, AND I
THINK THAT THIS AMENDMENT WITHIN A REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO READ ALL THE STEPS THAT WERE TAKEN BY COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS THAT LED TO THIS POINT. SO I JUST WANTED TO G GIVE YOU YOUR FLOWERS ON THAT. OVER THE LAST YEAR, I KNOW I DON'T REPRESENT
38thTREET, BUT I HAVE HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS I REPRESENT IN THE 12th WARD AND THEN CONSTITUENTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT THERE IS A REALLY STRONG SHARED NORTH STAR FOR MAKING SURE THAT 38th STREET AND 38th AND CHICAGO GUT WHAT
IT DESERVED AND WHAT IT DESERVED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS PRIOR TO 2020. SO I'M PROUD TO BRING THIS FORWARD, AND AS A COUNCILMEMBER AN I INTO THE NEXT TERM I'M COMMITTED TO ENSURE THAT WE SEE A STRONG
IMPLEMENTATION AND BE A MEMBER ON THIS BODY THAT WILL HELP CHEER FOR IT AND HELP IT GROW. >> THANK YOU. NOT SEEING ANY FURTR DISCUSSION, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. >> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE.
>> AYE. >> WONSLEY. >> WONSLEY? >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> AYE. >> VETAW IS ABSENT. OSMAN. >> AYE. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JENKINS. >> AYE. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE.
>> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> AYE. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. AYE. >> AND CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THAT IS 11 AYES.
>> THAT MOTION CARRIES ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW CONTINUE -- NOW I SEE COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. COUNCILMEMBER VETAW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE NOTED? OKAY, IF WE CAN NOTE HER IN THE
AFFIRMATIVE. THAT CHGES TO 12 AYES, NO NAYS. GREAT. NEXT IS AMENDMENT NUMBER 28 WHICH IS DOWNTOWN STREET OUTREACH OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, WILL
YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOUR AMENDMENT AND MAKE A MOTION. >> YES, THANK YOU. SO WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES IS IT FUNDS A CONTRACTOR FOR STREET OUTREACH FUNDING FOR DOWNTOWN. THE FUNDS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR A TEAM OF SIX STREET OUTREACH WORKERS,
TWO UNARMED SECURITY GUARDS, FOUR AMBASSADORS, AND ONE LATE NIGHT SAFETY DISPATCHER WORKING IN THE FIRST PRECINCTO ADDRESS LIVEABILITY ISSUES AND SAFETY FOR RESIDENTS, VISITORS, AND BUSINESSES. THE CONTRACT WOULD COVER FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS FROM 6:30 P.M. TO 3 A.M. FROM
MAY 26th THROUGH OCTOBER 26th, AND EXPANDS THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA TO INCLUDE NICHOLMALL, THE THEATER DISTRICT ALONG HENNEPIN AVENUE IN ADDITION TO THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT. THIS -- YOU HAVE A NEWHEET IN FRONT OF YOU IN
SPEAKING WITH COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY AND CVEZ, WE MADE SOME CHANGES. THIS WOULD BE RUN THROUGH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY AND WHAT IT DOES IS GUARANTEE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE A REVIEW OF THE VENDOR CHOSEN. SO THAT WE'LL BE IN CONTROL OF THE VENDOR. I SEE COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY
NODDING. THANK YOU FOR THAT ADVICE. AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT BY PROTECTING THE SALES TAX THAT WE GET, THE LOCAL SALES TAX FROM DOWNTOWN, THAT ALLOWS US TO INVEST IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE JUST VOTED TO INVEST $1.9 MILLION INTO 38th
STREET. FOR THE MOST PART THOSE DOLLARS CAME FROM THE LOCAL SALES TAX INOWNTOWN. SO THIS WILL HELP KEEP ONGOING REVENUE TO SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS. AND WITH THAT I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> GREAT. >> WE LOVE IT. >> I'LL RECOGNIZE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS, COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE MORE PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT, AND PECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WHERE
WE HAVE SO MANY BARS AND RESTAURANTS AND CLUBS AND IT'S, IT GETS PRETTY WILD AROUND 2 A.M. AROUND BAR CLOSE AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DEVELOP OUR FULL RESOURCE CAPACITY AROUND THE BAR CLOSE TIME IN THIS AREA. I JUST DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF,
MAYBE COMMISSIONER BARNETT ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION. IT'S BIT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT NIGHTTIME SERVICES AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF FLORIDA BARRIERS YOU CLEARED -- THERE ARE BARRIERS THAT YOU CLEARED TO HAVE AMBASSADORS THAT DO WORK
AFTER THIS, THIS GOES FROM 6:30 P.M. TO 3 A.M. ON THE WEEKENDS. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR. COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU COMES FROM SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH
COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE TO TRY TO EXPEDITE SERVICES A LOT QUICKER. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATNS WITH SHANE AND
HIS STAFF ABOUT SOME OF THE NEEDS AND I THINK WE'RE ON A PATH TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SERVICE IS AVAILABLE BY MAY. SO. >> OKAY. >> YEP. >> AND THEN JUST A FOLLOW-UP HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED MONEY TO SAFETY
AMBASSADORS IN THE PAST AND A LOT OF THOSE RESOURCES STILL HAVEN'T REACHED OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN UPTN IN PARTICULAR. SAFETY AMBASSADORS WERE BUDGETED FOR TWO YEARS AGO IN 2023 AND STILL HAVEN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN UPTOWN, AND I'VE
HEARD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH A LACK OF KIND OF OPERATIONAL STRUCTURE IN PLACE IN THAT AREA. AND DOWNTOWN HAS THAT, RIGHT? IT HAS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO COMPANY LEMENT IT WITH -- COMPLEMENT IT WITH D.I.D. SO IT DOES HAVE A GREATER ABILITY TO
GET DONE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE BUDGET. HOWEVER, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE US DEVELOP THOSE LATE NIGHT SPOTS THAT AMBASSADORS COULD OPERATE OUT OF IN UPTOWN AS WELL SO I WANTED TO ADD THAT COMMENT THAT WE HAVE BUDGET STILL FOR AMBASSADORS IN
UPTOWN AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STRATEGIES THEY ARE IMPLEMENTING DOWNTOWN BE APPLIED IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ALSO HAVE NIGHTTIME ECONOMIES AND BIG SAFETY CONCERNS. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER
CASHMAN, THE SAFETY AMBASSADORS THROUGH D.I.D., THEY DO DO A SERVICE AND DO A GREAT JOB THERE. YOU THINK WE HAVE A PILOT RIGHT NOW THAT'S HAPPENING -- YOU KNOW WE HAVE A PILOT RIGHT NOW THAT'S HAPPENING ON EAST LAKE STREET WITH OUR
SAFETY AMBASSADORS THAT ARE BEING DISPATCHED OUT OF THE LAKE STREET SAFETY CENTER. THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THAT PROGRAM SO. SO I HEAR THE URGENCY LIKE YOU, BUSINESS
OWNERS AND OTHER RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN WANT TO SEE IT THERE AS WELL, AND SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEING ABLE TO EXPAND OUR SAFETY AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI. I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. I THINK AN EXPANSION OF THESE SERCES IS A REAL
BENEFIT BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MAYBE IS FOR THE AUTHOR, MAYBE IS IT IS FOR COMMISSIONER BARNETT AND JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE SOURCE IMPACT. I SEE THAT IT'S SOURCED FROM PUBLIC SAFETY AND APPROPRIATION FOR COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER PILOTS. AND I
JUST WANT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT MEANS TO SHIFT $236,000 FROM THAT TO HERE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. THAT WAS A
DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HE REACHED OUT TO OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS THAT PILOT
PROGRAMS, THAT FUND IS THERE FOR I BELIEVE WE'RE AT $2.4 MILLION ON THAT FUND FOR PILOT PROGRAMS ONCE THE SAFETY -- ONCE THE SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS SAFETY CENTER
OPENS UP. I STILL THINK WE CAN GET SERVICES THERE, AND REMEMBER STILL WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT SERVICES ARE THERE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO FUND THOSE SERVICES
LONG TERM IN LOOKING AT THAT, WE ARE CONTINUING TO BE CREATIVE AS POSSIBLE KNOWING THAT SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT WE WOULD'VE
LOOKED FOR PREVIOUSLY WOULD'VE COME THROUGH FEDERAL FUNDS. THOSE FUNDS AS WE KNOW HAVE SOME STRINGS ATTACHED TO THEM THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT ACCEPT. I KNOW THIS COUNCIL WOULD NOT ACCEPT. AND SO WE LOOK AT THOSE
FUNDS AND ALSO WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT LOCAL PHILANTHROPIC OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE FOR US TO TRY TO NOT ONLY FUND THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS ONGOING BUT JUST HOW ALL OF THIS FITS
TOGETHER, AND THAS WHY THE NYU FOLKS WHO CONTINUE TO HELP US NAVIGATE THIS AREA AND HAVE EXPERICE IN THIS AREA WE CONTINUE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR LONG-TERM
FUNDING. I MEAN, THE SHORT-TERM , I THINK WE'RE OKAY. LONG-TERM I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT AND BUILD OUT BUT THAT AFFECTS ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.
YEAH, JUST GOOD TO KNOW. GOOD TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT INTO THE FUTURE OF THE SOUTH MINNEAPIS COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER HASN'T YET LAUNCHED YET, AND SO WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THAT AND WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT ANDNESS WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE AND WHAT -- UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE AND WHAT
THE COST IS GOING TO BE IN REALTIME. SO I THINK THIS TIME AROUND I'M OKAY WITH THIS SOURCE AS A COUNCILMEMBER THAT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE THIRD PRECINCT AREA, BUT I AM WEARY ABOUT CONTINUING TO
TAKEROM THIS POT INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TAKEN FROM THIS EARLIER IN THE YEAR METRO YOUTH DIVERSION WHICH I THINK WAS A GOOD USE FOR
SURE. BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. YEAH. THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BODY FOR THIS POT OF FUNDING. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY? >> THANK YOU, CVP CHUGHTAI.
JUST CRITY ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SEVERALCONVR RAINVILLE AROUND THIS JUST SHARING ALSO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY RAISED AS SOMEONE WHO ALSO REPRESENTS THE THIRD, WELL, THE AREA OF INCLUDING THE THIRD PRECINCT AND ALSO THE WARD THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SOUTH
MINNEAPOLIS COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER. M MAKING SURE THOSE, THAT FUNDING FOR OUR PILOTS THE IS BEING PRESERVED FOR LONGEVITY AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY, THE REASON WHY I FEEL
PRETTY CONFIDENT INUPPORTING THIS IS WE DID RECEIVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION FROM OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY THAT LAID OUT THE ALLOCATIONS THAT THEY'RE MAKING USING THE PUBLIC SAFETY AID TOWARDS THE SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER, AND THERE'S STILL A
DECENT CHUNK OF YOU KNOW DOLLARS LEFT OVER BUT I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS AND IDEALLY NEXT YEAR WE CAN LOOK AT HOW TO CONTINUE BEEFING UP THOSE PILOTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CENTER HAS EVERYTHING THAT IT NEEDS. JUST CLCLARITY AROUND THE OVERSIGHT PIECE BECAUSE THIS IS
ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD, AND I THINK COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN RAISED THIS PIECE. SO JUST FOR CLARITY FOR EITHER COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE OR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY, TO BE INTENTIONAL OF MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER VENDORS ARE SELECTED TO CARRY OUT THESE
SERVICES FOR IT TO COME THROUGH COUNCIL REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AND ULTIMATE POTENTIAL APPROVAL OR NOT, THESE ARE GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED VIA RFP TOUGHOUT THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY, NOT THROUGH EXTERNAL AGENCY LIKE THDOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT
DISTRICT. I JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY ON THAT. >> Y, AND WE'VE BUILT -- COMMISSIONER WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL? AGAIN, MY COMMITMENT IS STRONG THAT COUNCIL HAS OVERSIGHT ON THE VENDORS SELECTED. 100%, MORE
THAN STRONG. [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI. COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. YOU SAW THAT THE, THERE WAS A CHANGE AND
IT WAS REVISED I WHAT COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE PROPOSED ON THIS AMENDMENT SO THAT WHATEVER, WHATEVER SERVICES ARE USES, WE WOULD COME HERE,
PROBABLY THROUGH, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT COMMITTEE. I THINK IT WOULD BE THROUGH PHS. BUT WE WOULD COME, COME FORWARD WITH WHATEVER SERVICES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IMPLEMENTED, SO YES, WE WOULD COME OBSERVE THE
COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU. I -- BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLARIFIED. I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG PRIORITY OF MINE. AS YOU KNOW, WE DO LOT OF CONTRACTS WITH EXTERNA TERNAL ORGANIZATIONS, AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN THIS PAST YEAR IS WE'VE HAD DEEP CONCERNS BY SOME OF THE VENDORS THAT HAVE BEEN SELECTED BY OUR EXTERNAL
PARTNERS, BUT THAT DOES NOT FALL UNDER OUR OVERSIGHT, SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND COME TO THIS PLACE WHERE WE KNOW OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY WILL BE ADMINISTERING AN RFP AND ALLOWING COUNCIL TO BE PART OF THAT OVEIGHT AND APPROVAL PROCESS. AND YEAH, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD IN LIGHT OF THAT,
SUPPORTING THIS AMENDMENT, AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, FOR BEING AMENABLE AS WELL AS YOU, COMMISSIONER BARNETT, IN THESE CONVERSATIONS TO GET TO THIS PLACE. >> IF I COULD JUST ONE SECOND, CHAIR. COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, JUST TO BE TOTALLY CLEAR, I'M
NOT SURE IF IT'S A SOLE SOURCE OR IT'S AN RFP. WE HAVE TO REALLY DEFINE WHAT THE SERVICE IS, SO I JUST SAY THAT WE LL COME BEFORE YOU, BUT YOU SAID ARFP, AND I WANT TO LEAVE
THAT OPTION THAT THERE MIGHT BE A SOLE SOURCE HERE. >> OKAY, SOEWHATEVER PROCUREMENT PROCESS YOU INITIATE, THAT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, OKAY, THANK YOU. >> WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. I PUT MYSELF IN QUEUE FOR TWO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS FOR THE AUTHOR. IN
THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THIS AMENDMENT, I SAW THE PURPOSE WAS LISTED AS FOR STREET OUTREACH SERVICES IN DOWNTOWN, AND THEN IN THE REVISED VERSION, I SEE TO SUPPORT THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT LIVE PROGRAM IN DOWNTOWN. >> YES. >> IS THAT WITH INTENTION?
>> THAT WAS WITH INTENTION. THAT ALLOWS MORE CONTROL BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY DEPARTMENT. >> OKAY, GREAT. UNDERSTOOD. AND THEN THE SECOND PIECE OF THIS IS I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL APPROVAL OF WHATEVER VENDOR IS SELECTED, AND THAT
BEING THE PRIMARY REASON TO MOVE TO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SAFETY INSTEAD OF LEAVING THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY DEPARTMENT. IS THIS ABOUT T MASTER CONTRACT QUESTION, OR WHAT'S THE -- GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI, TO ANSWER
THAT QUESTION, IN WORKING WITH COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, I FELT AS THOUGH TO MOVE THE PROCESS FASTER, NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THAT MOVE. WE'VE HAD THOSE
DISCUSSIONS BEFORE. I THINK WITH MY STAFF, ALTHOUGH I SHY AWAY FROM THESE THINGS, I THOUGHT WITH THE STAFF AND THE SUPPORT, WE COULD MAKE THIS HAEN FASTER. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN ABOUT SERVICES,
AND IN THIS CASE, I KNEW THAT COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE WAS TALKING TO OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD GET IT, GET SERVICES THERE BY MAY AS
COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE SAID WITHOUT IT BEING IN A QUEUE IN NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY. >> IT'S MORE ABOUT -- >> NOT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY COULDN'T DO IT. >> - SPEED. >> DON'T GET ME WRONG. IN FACT I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS REVISION, WHICH I THINK THEY'LL BE HAPPY ABOUT. >> SOUNDS GREAT. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. OKAY, I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE IN QUEUE, SO ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 28, DOWNTOWN STREETUTREACH, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE
ROLL. >> PAYNE. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> AYE. >> VETAW. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> AYE. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JENKINS. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> AYE. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> AYE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE.
>> THAT IS 12 AYES. >> THAT THE MOTION CARRIES. WE'VE GOT EIGHT MINUTES LEFT. LET'S TRY TO GET THROUGH ONE MORE AMENDMENT QUICKLY. AMENDMENT NUMBER 29 IS NICOLLET AVENUE PUBLIC RESTROOMS OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN, PLEASE INTRODUCE AND MOVE APPROVAL OF
YOUR AMENDMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS AMENDMENT PULLS $700,000 ONGOING FROM THE STREETCAR VALUE CAPTURE FUNDO FUND PUBLIC RESTROOMS ALONG NICOLLET AVENUE. SO AS EVERYONE IS LIKELY AWARE, PUBLIC BATHROOM ACCESS IS A HUMAN NEED
THAT WE ALL HAVE, AND NICOLLET MALL IS THE MOST ACTIVE TRANSIT CORRIDOR IN THE ENTIRE STATE, AND AS THE WARD 7 COUNCILMEMBER REPRESENTING LARGE STRETCH OF NICOLLET MALL, I KNOW HOW GREAT THE NEED IS FOR BOTH RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE, ELDERS GOING TO
THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE, TOURIST COMING IN TO DOWNTOWN FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, WORKERS WHO ARE MOVING ALONG THE MALL, AND EVERYONE IN BETWEEN, THERE IS A BIG NODE FOR PUBLIC REST -- NEED FOR PUBLIC REST RESTROOMS
AND CURRENTLY NICOLLET MALL HAS A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE RELIEVING THEMSELVES IPALAWAYS AND OTHER SPACES WHICH THE D.I.D. DOES V TO PAY FOR AND YOU'LL SEE A MAP IN HERE ABOUT T THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE AVAILABLE AND
THE RED PINS ARE PUBLIC URINATION HOT SPOTS SO MY AMENDMENT WILL CREATE RESTROOM ACCESS FOR TRANSIT RIDERS AND TRANSIT DRIVERS AND EVERY TOURIST, RESIDENT, AND WORKER WHO'S COMING THROUGH ORCITY. WE RECEIVED A REALLY HIGH QUALITY
REPORT FROM OUR POSSIBL -- POLICY AND RESEARCH TEAM A FEW MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO IMPLEMENT PUBLIC RESTROOMS, AND MY PROPOSAL BUILDS OFF OF THAT. SO THE IDEA IS TO FUND PUBLIC WORKS TO PROCURE MULTIPLE HIGH QUALITY, HIGH-TECH AND QUALITY
CONTROL STAND ALONE RESTROOMS, NOT PORTA POTTIES FROM A PRIVATE PROVIDER AND SIT THEM ALONG THE TRANSIT LINES WILLING WITHIN THE VALUE CAPTURE DISTRICT PROJECT AREA WHICH GOES ON NICOLLET AVENUE ALL THE WAY SOUTH DOWN TO KMART BUT ALSO NORTH ACROSS THE RIVER INTO NORTHEAST. AND THESE
UNITS WOULD ALSO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS THAT HAD ARISEN IN THE PAST WITH THE PORTA POTTIES THAT D.I.D. IMPLEMENTED BACK IN 2019 BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY AND FEATURES. WE ARE SEEING THESE ROLLED OUT IN AN
ARBOR, MICHIGAN, PORTLAND, OREGON, L., AND WASHINGTON, D.C., AND THEY HAVE BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL IN MITIGATING VARIOUS ISSUES, AND THE BATHROOMS THAT THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED HAVE BEEN HIGHLY CARED FOR AND CHERISHED BY THE COMMUNITIES THAT USE
THEM. SO THE VALUE CAPTURE FUND WAS CREATED TO FUND THE STREETCAR WHICH WAS NOT MATERIALIZED, BUT THE FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED TO PUBLIC SPACE IMPROVEMENTS IN SUPPORT OF TRANSIT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. I WOULD HATE TO LET THIS FUNDING OPPORTUNITY GO TO WASTE, SO I
HOPE TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT AND I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WONDERFUL. SO I SEE THREE MEMBERS IN QUEUE. WE'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LEFT. SO HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. I HAVE NOTED DOWN THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU ARE IN QUEUE, AND WEAL WILL PICK UP THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE COME BACK TOMORROW. I
WANT SOME TIME -- WE DO HAVE A REAL HARD CUT-OFF AT 4:00 SO I NEED SOME TILE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH WHAT COMES NEXT. ALL RIGHT SO WITH THAT, THIS IS A, WE WHERE GOG TO PICK UP WITH AMENDMENT NUMBER 29
WHEN WE RETURN TOMORROW SINCE WE STILL HAVE WORK TO CONTINUE. I AM GOING TO FORWARD THIS AND I'M GOING TO ADJOURN OUR COMMITTEE MEETING TO TOMORROW, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9th, AT 10 A.M. SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE OUR WORK ON
THE 2026 BUDGET. FOR ANY OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT REMAIN AFTER THAT MORNING SESSION, IF THERE ARE ANY REVISIONS THAT ARE CAUGHT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE'LL PICK THAT BACK UP AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING TOMORROW EVENING, SO WE HAVE TIME AND WE WILL GET THUGH THIS PACKET WITH NOT THE
SAME TYPE OF RUSH THAT WE WERE IN LAST TIME. SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED TO TOMORROW, TUESDAY DECEMBER 9th, AT 10 A.M. IN TTHESE CHAMBERS. PLEASE AGAIN TO REMEMBER TO BRING YOUR PACKETS HOWEVER YOU CAN -- NO,
NEVER MIND. WE HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION. PLEASE TAKE YOUR PACKETS WITH YOU AND BRING THEM BACK. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.