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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING COMMITTEE FOR JULY 7, 2026. MY NAME IS JAMAL OSMAN, AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE. I WILL CALL TO ORDER THIS

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MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WANT TO REMIND ALL FOLKS, THIS MEETING IS BROADCAST LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THEY INCLUDE REALTIME CAPTIONING TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS TO THE COMMUNITY.

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THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO MODERATE THEIR SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENTS. WE'LL BE USING THE SPEAKER MANAGEMENT, SO PLEASE SIGN U AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN VERIFY A QUORUM.

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THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> PRESENT. >> WARREN. >> PRESENT. >> SHAFFER. >> PRESENT. >> CHAVEZ. >> PRESENT. >> CHUG HIGH IS PRESENT -- CHUGHTAI IS ABSENT. VICE CHAIR CHOWDHURY. >> PRESENT. >> AND CHAIR OSMAN. >> PRESENT. >> THERE ARE 6 MEMBERS PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE

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HAVE A QUORUM. OUR AGENDA IS IN FRONT OF US. WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK DURING ANY OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, PLEASE SIGN UP WITH THE CLERK. ALL RIGHT.

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ITEM 6, APPROVE SIX LIQUOR LICENSES. ITEM 7 APPROVES 24 LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS. ITEM 8 APPROVES 22 -- I'M SORRY -- ITEM 8 APPROVES TWO GAMBLING LICENSES. ITEM 9 APPROVES AMENDED

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BUSINESS LICENSES, OPERATING CONDITION. FOR BREAKFAST BAR OF MINNESOTA. ITEM 10 ACCEPTS THE LOW RESPONSIVE BID FOR SNOW REMOVAL AT MINNEAPOLIS CONVENTION CENTER. ITEM 11 AUTHORIZES A LOAN

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RESTRUCTURE FOR JIGJI DWSM A BUSINESS CENTER. ITEM 12 AUTHORIZES FINANCIAL AGREEMENT FOR REHAB PROPERTIES, PART OF MINNEAPOLIS HOUSING FINANCE. ITEM 13 AUTHORIZES REVISION TO THE ALTERNATIVE FINANCING PROGRAM.

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ITEM 14 IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING LAND DISPOSITION AND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM HENNEPIN COUNTY HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. ITEM 15 AUTHORIZES A CONTRACT WITH METROPOLITAN CONSORTIUM

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OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPERS FOR LOAN SERVICES. ITEM 16 APPROVES TWO STREET VACATIONS LOCATED NORTH OF FRANKLIN WEST. ITEM 17 REFERS TO THE STAFF AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE REGULATION.

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AND, LASTLY, ITEM 18 SETS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 22nd TO CONSIDER THE MAYOR'S NOMINATION OF ENRIQUE VALAZQUEZ TO THE DIRECTOR OF REGULATORY SERVICES

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DEPARTMENT. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 9 FOR A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND VOTE. >> ITEM 9 WE'LL PULL FOR SEPARATE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON 16 BORE WE MOVE TO THE VOTE. AND JUST TO SAY THANK YOU FOR

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THIS WORK ON BEHALF OF CPED AND OTHERS ABOUT THIS VACATION ON THESE TWO SMALL TRIANGULAR PARCELS. WITH THE EVENTUAL TRANSFER, HOPEFULLY, TO MPRB. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE VERY INTERESTEDN FOR A LONG TIME, AND I'M JUST VERY THANKFUL TO SEE THAT COMING FORWARD. THIS IS AN AREA OF THE CITY

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THAT DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE. IT'S ONE OF THE TARGET AREAS FOR MPRB. AND I'M THANKFUL TO SEE THIS VACATION COMING FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE ITEMS

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EXCEPT ITEM 9. AND I REFER ITEM 17 TO STAFF AND SET ITEM 18 FOR PUBLIC HEARING. ON THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE

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MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. FOR PUBLIC HEARING, FOR EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO MIGHT -- >> CHAIR OSMAN? >> YES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE PULLED OUT AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, I BELIEVE.

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>> I APPRECIATE THE REMINDER. COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE, PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH ITEM 9. >> THANK YOU. SO I SEE MS. LINGO HERE. I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE THE OPERATING CONDITIONS FOR THE BREAKFAST BAR.

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>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE, THANK YOU. SO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US FOR THE BREAKFAST BAR ARE RELATED TO THE ACTIVITY FOR THE BUSINESS, AS WELL AS FOR THE OUTDOOR STRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE NEGOTIATED A TAKE-DOWN OF THAT OUTDOOR STRUCTURE TO OCCUR NO LATER

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THAN SEPTEMBER 15th OF THIS YEAR, AND THEN IN THAT PART OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WE HAVE CLEARLY LAID OUT AN AGREED-UPON BEHAVIOR AND EXPECTATIONS FOR SOUND AND USE OF THAT TENT. >> AND THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN BY

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"ACTIVITY"? SO YOU SAY THE CONDITIONS ARE REGARDING ACTIVITY. SO THE ACTIVITY INSIDE THE TENT OR THECTIVITY ONCE THE TENT IS GONE? >> THE ACTIVITY INSIDE OF THE TENT, HOW THE PATIO SPACE IS TO BE USED FOR THIS TIME FRAME. >> FROM NOW TILL SEPTEMBER? >> CORRECT. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. I APPRECIATE THE WORK.

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WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES THERE. SO THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. >> YEAH, I'M JUST THANKFUL FOR SEEING THIS COMING FORWARD AS WELL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT, PARTICULARLY FROM THE

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ATRIUM, PUBLIC HOUSING, THERE HAS BEEN A WRITTEN PETITION GOING AROUND WITH MANY SIGNATURES AND DUE TO NOISE COMPLAINTS, VERY LATE AT NIGHT. AND EARLY IN THE MORNING. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND ALSO, I DO WANT TO COMMENT

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THAT THIS IS A BUSINESS OWNED BY AFRICAN AMERICAN BUSINESS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STAFF FOR FINDING A WAY TO HAVE THE BUSINESS T CONTINUE AND ESPECIALLY THE OUTDOOR SITUATION.

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AND GOOD LUCK TO THEM AND WITH THAT, I WILL HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAV EASY TO SPEAK ON THIS. CHAVEZ TO SPEAK ON THIS. >> I'LL LET IT GO. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL APPROVE FOR ITEM 9, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ MEMBERS VOTING ]

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AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. [ NO RESPONSE HEARD ] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING FOR EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO MIGHT PARTICIPATE IN OUR HEARING OR COMMENT PERIOD, LET ME OFFER THIS NOTICE. THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED

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AND BROADCAST, BOTH RECORDINGINGS AND BROADCAST ARE CLASSIFD AS PUBLIC DATA UNDER THE MINNESOTA DATA PRACTICES ACT. BY ATTENDING OR PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCEEDING, YOUR IMAGE AND ANY TESTIMONY OR INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT PROVIDE WILL BE ALSO SUBJECT

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TO DISCLOSURE UNDER THAT LAW. THAT INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO YOUR ATTENDANCE, YOUR NAME, AND OTHER PERSONAL DETAILS YOU MIGHT PROVIDE, AS WELL AS ANY TESTIMONY OR COMMENTS YOU PROVIDE WHICH INCLUDES ANY WRITTEN SUBMISSION YOU MAKE WHICH ARE

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INCLUDED IN THE RECORD OF THIS MEETING. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS A LICENSE APPLICATION FOR ON-SALE LIQUOR WITH LIMITED ENTERTAINMENT FOR BILL'S BAIT SHOP LOCATED AT WARD 12.

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I WOULD ASK AHMED MOHAMED FROM THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR A PRESENTATION ON THIS. WELCOME. >> I'M LICENSE INSPECTOR WITH LICENSES AND CONSUMER SERVICES. I'M PRESENTING AN APPLICATION FROM BILL'S BAIT SHOP, LCC, DBA, BILL'S BAITHOP, LOCATED

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AT 3101 42nd STREET EAST, MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA, 55406. IN WARD 12. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ON-SALE LIQUOR, LIMITED ENTERTAINMENT WITH SUNDAY SALES LICENSE. IF APPROVED, THEY IEND TO BE A FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH

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A MENU FOCUSED ON FISH, ALONG WITH BURGERS AND HOT DOGS WITH OUTDOOR SEATING. BILL'S BAIT SHOP WILL BE A SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT WITH 48 INTERIOR SEATS AND 18 PRIVATE PATIO SEATS. THE PREMISES INCLUDES THE

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GROUND-LEVEL SPACE AT 3101 42nd STREET EAST. THEY INTEND TO PROVIDE LIMITED ENTERTAINMENT, ONLY AMBIENT MUSIC PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND INSIDE ONLY. ON OCCASION, THEY MAY OFFER KARAOKE AND TRIVIA, BUT NO

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EXTERIOR EERTAINMENT. HOURS OF OPERATION, INDOOR, SUNDAY FOR THURSDAY, 11:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 11:00 A. TO 12:00 A.M OUTDOOR HOURS FOR THE PRIVATE PATIO, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11:00 A.M. TO 10:00 P.M., AND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY,

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11:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. ON JUNE 15th, 2026, 159 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT TO RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS, POSTED ON ALL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH FOUR OR MORE UNITS WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PREMISES.

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NOTICES WERE ALSO SENT TO THE STANDISH ERICKSON NEIGHBORHOOD D COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. WE HAVE RECEIVED 18 COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. 18 IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. HOWEVER, THEIR CONCERNS ARE CLOSING HOURS FOR THEIR PRIVATE PATIO.

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THESE HOURS ARE BASED OFF THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED IN RESPONSE FROM NEIGHBORS AND ARE REFLECTED IN THE REQUESTED CLOSING TIMES FOR THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR OF THE BUSINESS. WE BROUGHT THESE CONCERNS TO THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT HAS A HISTORY OF RUNNING SUCCESSFUL NEIGHBORHOOD RESTAURTS WITH

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LITTLE ISSUE. THEY FULLY INTEND TO OPERATE AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THIS IS A NEW BUSINESS TO A NE LOCATION. A REVIEW OF ANY COMPLAINTS, 311 CALLS, POLICE CALLS, AND ANY OPERATING CONDITIONS FOUND NO SIGNICANT ISSUES CONCERNING THE BUSINESS AND

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THE ISSUANC OF THIS LICENSE. THE LICENSE AND CONSUMER SERVICES DIVISION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ON-SALE LIQUOR, LIMITED ENTERTAINMENT, WITH SUNDAY SALES LICENSE. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTION. AT THIS TIME, I WILL STAND FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT

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PRESTATION. NOW I'LL PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE JAMIE OLSON. HI. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU, ACT BAR. HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I AM JAMIE OLSON, FOUNDER AND

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CEO OF CENTRAL RESTAURANT GROUP, BILL'S BAIT SHOP IS ONE OF OUR NEWEST PROJECTS AND NEAR AND DEAR TO ME, AFTER MY -- IT'S IN HONOR OF MY GRANDPA, BILL, WHO GREW UP IN NORTHERN MINNESOTA AND LOVED FISHING. SO REALLY REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

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WE'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE THINGS AND EXCITEMENT, AND WE ARE VERY MUCH A COMMUNITY-FOCUSED RESTAURANT BRAND COMPANY. SO, YEAH, WE RESPECT THE COMMUNITY AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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ARE THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE VICE CHAIR CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. AKBAR, WOULD YOU JUST MIND SAYING WHAT THE HOURS ARE JUST ONE MORE TIME FOR US?

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>> SO, THE INDOOR HOURS WILL BE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. FRIDAY AND SATDAY, 11:00 A.M. TO 100 A.M. THE OUTOR PATIO, PRIVATE PATIO HOURS, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11:00 A.M. -- EXCUSE ME -- 11:00 A.M. TO 10:00 P.M.

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FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 11:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. >> THANK YOU, AKBAR. >> SURE. I JUST FIRST WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO CITY HALL, JAMIE AND JERRY. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BOTH. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO MOVE

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THIS FORWARD FOR APPROVAL. BILL'S BAIT SHOP IS GOING TO BE SUCH A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THIS CORNER OF THE 12th WARD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY EMAILS, CALLS, TEXTS, JUST EXCITED FOR YOU TO OPEN AND JUST REALLY

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APPRECIATE THE OTHER BUSINESSES YOU'VE RAN IN THE TWIN CITIES AREA AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE HAS REALLY SHARED THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, LIKE, A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN WALK AND HAVE A DRINK, HAVE SOME BURGERS. I THINK THAT NORTHWOODS SMOKE

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FISH IS GOING TO BE VERY POPULAR. AND I JUST WANT TO ALSO THANK AMY AND AKBAR FOR YOUR WORK. CONSTITUENTS HAVE SHARED WITH ME HOW ACCESSIBLE YOU'VE BEEN AND, REALLY, I THINK EVERYONE'S GOING TO APPRECIATE THIS COMPROMISE ON THE HOURS. IT'S GOING TO GO A REALLY LONG

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WAY AND I'M JUST SUPER EXCITED TO BRING THIS INTO THIS CORNER. THIS CORNER'S BEEN VACANT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. CHICAGO TASTE AUTHORITY USED TO BE HERE. SO HAVING IT BE FILLED WITH A NEW NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO BE WONDERFUL AND I REALLY

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RECOMMEND, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE CONNECTING WITH THE OWNER OF EVERY MAKEUP, THEY ALWAYS HAVE A REALLY COOL CREW OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE THAT WILL JUST PROBABLY LOVE BILL'S BAIT SHOP. >> GREAT. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. WITH THAT MION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ MEMBERS VOTING ]

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AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. [ NO RESPONSE HEARD ] THE AYES HAVE IT A THE MOTION CARRIES. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A LICENSE APPLICATION FOR PERMIT EXPANSION OF PREMISES AND STREET CAFÉ, BOTH ARE FOR

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BRYANT LAKE BOWL. I'LL HAVE MANAGER JAMIE LINGO TO TALK ABOUT AND GIVE US PRESENTATION ON THIS. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, I'M AMY LINGO. I'M PRESENTING AN ALICATION FROM SPLITSVILLE, INCORPORATED, LCC, DOING BUSINESS AS BRYANT LAKE BOWL,

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WHICH IS LOCATED AT 810 LAKE STREET WEST, MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA, 55408, WHICH IS IN THE 10th WARD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A STREET CAFÉ AND A PERMANENT EXPANSION OF LICENSE. IF APPROVED, THEY INTEND TO EXPAND THEIR OUTDOOR AREA TO PROVIDE A STREET CALF YEA FOR

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THE OUTSIDE DINING TO ACCOMPANY THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS OF RESTAURANT, BOWLING, AND LIVE THEATER. THE OUTDOOR EXPANSION WILL ADD APPROXIMATELY 180 SQUARE FEET FOR 16 OUTDOOR SEATS WITHIN A DESIGNATED AND ENCLOSED CAFÉ AREA OPERATING DURING THE

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SPRING THROUGH THE FALL SEA SEASON, STREET CALF YEAS OPERATE IN SPARK -- IN PARKING SPOTS. THE HOURS OF ORATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 8:00 A.M. TO 12:00 P.M., THE OUTDOOR HOURS ON THE PROPOSED STREET CALF YEA ARE MONDAY

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THROUGH SUNDAY, 9:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. ON JUNE 15th, 2026, 134 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT TO RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND POSTED ON ALL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH FOUR OR MORE UNITS WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PREMISES. NOTICES WERE ALSO SENT TO THE

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LOUREY HILL EAST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE LAKE STREET BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, AND COUNCIL MEMBER AISHA CHUG HIGH. WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE, BOTH OF WHICH WERE IN SUPPORT. WE HAVE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION. A REVIEW OF ANY COMPLAINTS, 311 CALLS, POLICE CALLS, OR

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ANYTHER OPERATING CONDITIONS HA FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT ISSUES CONCERNING THIS BUNESS OR THE ISSUANCE OF THIS LICENSE. LICENSES AND CONSUMER SERVICES RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A STREET CALF YEA AND PERMANENT EXPANSION OF PREMISES. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AT THIS TIME I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

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I WILL PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. YES, SIR, WELCOME. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND -- YES, COME OVER HERE, YUP. >> HELLO, EVERYONE, MY NAME IS RYAN O'NEILL. >> WELCOME. GO AHEAD.

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>> I'M A RESIDENT OF THE WHITTIER NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M A LONGTIME PATRON OFBRYANT E HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL. IT'S A PLACE THAT'S BEEN VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO ME. WHEN PEOPLE COME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN, I ALWAYS TRY AND GET

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THEM TO STOP BY DURING THE -- STOP BY. DURING THE PANDEMIC, I DID EVERYTHING I COULD TO KEEP THE PLACE OPEN. I BOUGHT GIFT T-SHIRTS FOR MY ENTIRE FAMILY IN NORTH CAROLI. SO THERE'S BRYANT LAKE BOWL ADVERTISING OUT OF STATE. I VOLUNTEER A LOT THERE, DOING

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SMALL THINGS, I CALLED THE BINGO, WE'RE DOING BINGO TONIGHT AT 8:00 P.M. SO, IT'S A PLACE THAT I'VE BEEN PATRONIZING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, OVER 15 YEARS, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BUSINESS

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IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I JUST WANTED TO ENCRAGE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE CHAIR CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. I'LL MOVE THIS ITEM FOR

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APPROVAL AND THEN ALSO JUST HIGHLIGHT TO THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING, BRYANT LAKE BOWL WAS VERY PROMINENTLY FEATURED ON "LOVE IS BLIND MINNEAPOLIS," ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC BREAKUP SCENES OF THE SEASON OCCURRED AT BRYANT LAKE BOWL. SO, EXCITED TO EXPAND THE PREMISES.

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HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE GETTING TOGETHER THAN BREAKING UP. BUT THAT'S NOT UP TO US HERE. >> ALL RIGHT. WONDERFUL. WITH THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ MEMBERS VOTING ] AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. [ NO RESPONSE HEARD ] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

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OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A LICENSE APPLICATIONOR WINE AND STRONG BEER WITH NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT ANTOJITOS, LOCATED AT WARD 4. I WILL HAVE SARAH GRACE FROM BUSINESS LICENSE TO GIVE US DETAILS ABOUT THIS. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN AND

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COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M LICENSE INSPECTOR SARAH GRAY, THAT'S S-A-R-A, G-R-A-Y-S, FOR SPECIAL PURPOSES. WITH LICENSES AND CONSUMER SERVICES. I'M PRESENTING AN APPLICATION FROM ANTOJITOS RYAN.S, LCC, DOING BUSINESS AS ANTOJOS

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RYAN. THE BUSINESS IS LOCATED AT 1724 LOUREY AVENUE NORTH, IN WARD 4. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ON-SALE WINE WITH STRONG BEER AND NO ENTERTAINMENT. IF APPROVED, THEY INTEND TO ADD WINE AND STRONG BEER TO

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THEIR FULL MENU, SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT, WHICHOCUSES ON ECUADORE AND AMERICAN CUISINE. THEY'VE BEEN OPEN AS A RESTAURANT ONLY FOR THE PAST YEAR. THERE WILL BE NO ENTERTAINMENT OTHER THAN TVs OR RADIO. THE RESTAURANT IS IN A STANDALONE BUILDING AND HAS

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CAPACITY FOR 60 SEATS INSIDE. THER IS NO OUTDO SEATING. THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE RESTAURANT ARE MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 11:00 A.M. THROUGH 9:00 P.M. ON JUNE 15th, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT TO RESIDENTS, PROPERTY 'OWNERS, AND POSTED ON ALL RESIDENTIAL

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BUILDINGS WITH FOUR OR MORE UNITS WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PREMISES. NOTICESERE ALSO SENT TO THE FOLLOWWELL -- FOLWELL NEIGHBORHOOD AND COUNCIL MEMBER. WE HAVE RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS

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FROM THE COMMUNITY, 311 CALLS, POLICE CALLS, AND WE FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT ISSUES CONCERNING THE BUSINESS AND ISSUANCE OF THIS LICENSE AND THE BUSINESS HAS COMPLETED A THOROUGH SECURITY PLAN WITH THE 4th PRECINCT POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE LICENSES AND CONSUMER SERVICES DIVISION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF AN ON-SALE WINE

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AND STRONG BEER WITH NO ENTERTAINMENT LICENSE. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AT THIS TIME I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I WILL PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

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ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE,'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS ESTABLISHMEN SO I AM EXCITED

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TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE EXPANDING THEIR OPERATIONS THERE ON LOWRY IN OUR CULTURAL CORRIDOR, SO THIS IS EXCITING. AND, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> THANK YOU. WITH THAT MOTION FROM COUNCIL

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MEMBER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ MEMBERS VOTING ] AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. OUR NEXT ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO THE FINANCING FOR THE GRAIN EXCHANGE CONVERSION PROJECT. I'LL HAVE AMY CARR FROM CPED

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TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT THIS ITEM. WELCOME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M HE EMILY CARR, I'M A SUPERVISOR ON THE RESIDENTIAL FINANCE TEAM IN CPED. AND I'M BEFORE YOU TODAY REQUESTING FUNDING APPROVALS FOR THE GRAIN EXCHAE CONVERSION PROJECT.

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STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF UP TO $39 IN TAX-EXEMPT HOUSING REVENUE ENTITLEMENT 'BONDS AND UP TO $1.775 MILLION IN TAX INDECREEMENT FINANCING. I'LL BE JOINE BY MATTHEW HENDRICKS AND BRADON ROTHE

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FROM DEVELOPMENT FINANCE FOR THE T.I.F. PORTION OF THIS PRESENTATION. THERAIN EXCHANGE CONVERSION PROJECT IS THE PROPOSED CONVERSION OF THE GRAIN EXCHANGE BUILDING FROM AN UNDERUTILIZED OFFICE SPACE INTO A MIXED-USE, MIXED-INCOME DEVELOPMENT.

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SHERMAN ASSOCIATES IS PROPOSING TO REDEVELOP THIS HIORIC COMPLEX LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN WEST NEIGHBORHOOD OF WARD 7. INTO 232 UNITS OF MIXED-INCOME HOUSING, INCLUDING 210 UNITS AFFORDABLE AT 60% AMI, AND 22

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UNITS ATARKET RATE. AS WELL AS 332,000 SQUARE -- 32,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE. THE GRAIN EXCHANGE CONSISTS OF TWO BUILDINGS. THE NORTH BUILDING, 301 FOURTH AVENUE, IS TEN STORIES. THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE OCCUPIED BY THE CURRENT TENANT, WHICH IS THE U.S.

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POSTAL OFFICE. RESIDENT AMENITIES AND LOBBY SPACE AND RENTAL UNITS. THE REMAINDER OF THIS BUILDING, FLOORS 2 THROUGH 10, WILL BE OCCUPIED BY RENTAL UNITS. THE MAIN BUILDING, 400 FOURTH STREET IS 12 STORIES AND WILL

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INCLUDE COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THE FIRST TWO FLOORS. THE THIRD FLOOR AND THE FIFTH THROUGH 11th FLOORS OF THIS BUILDING WILL BE RENTAL UNITS. THE FOURTH FLOOR, CURRENTLY USED AS A CO-WORKING SPACE WILL BE TRANSFERRED INTO A 25,000-SQUARE-EVENT EVENT

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RENTAL SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE LARGE GATHERINGS, SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND CONFERENCES. THE 12th FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING IS A ROOFTOP DECK. ADDITIONAL AMENITIES INCLUDE A CLUB ROOM, FITNESS CENTER, LOBBY AND MANAGEMENT OFFICES AND AN OUTDOOR PLAY AREA FOR CHILDREN.

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THE DEVELOPER, SHERMAN'S ASSOCIATES, IS A WELL KNOWN MINNEAPOLIS-BASED DEVELOP ISER AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FIRM WITH A PORTFOLIO THAT INCLUDES COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, HOTELS, AND ARTMENTS. SHERMAN HAS DEVELOPED MORE THAN 8,000 RENTAL UNITS IN MINNESOTA, COLORADO, IOWA, AND FLORIDA.

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RECENT MINNEAPOLIS PROJECTS INCLUDE GROOVE LOTS OF, BEAM AND LADDER 260. THE FIRST SET OF ACTIONS BEFORE YOU TODAY IN THIS REPORT INVOLVE THE DEVELOPER'S APPLICATION FOR TAX-EXEMPT HOUSING REVENUE ENTITLEMENT BONDS, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO

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EXCEED $39 MILLION. AS A HOUSING ENTITLEMENT BOND ISSUER, EACH YEAR THE CITY RECEIVES A BOND ALLOCATION. IN 2026, THIS ALLOCATION WAS APPROXIMATELY $72 MILLION. HOUSING REVENUE BONDS CAN BE USED TO FINANCE THE ACQUISITION, REHABILITATION, AND CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE

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RENTAL HOUSING. HOUSING REVENUE BONDS ISSUED BY THE CITY ARE SOLD TO INVESTORS TO RAISE FUNDS AND THESE SALES PROCEEDS ARE USED TO FINANCE AFFORDABLEENTAL HOUSING PROJECTS. THE DEBT OR LOAN ISSUED FROM A BOND SALE IS AN OBLIGATION OF

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THE BORROWER OR THE PROJECT AND NOT OF THE CITY. TAX-EXEMPT HOUSING REVENUE BONDS ARE PAIRED WITH 4% LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS TO GENERATE TAX CREDIT EQUITY OR SYNDICATION PROCEEDS. IN THE GRAIN EXCHANGE PROJECT,

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THE TAX CREDITS WILL GENERATE MORE THAN $36 MILLION IN SYNDICATION PROCEEDS AS A SOURCE TO THE PROJECT. THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST OF THIS PROJECT ARE ESTIMATED AT JUST OVER $122 MILLION. AND THE DEVELOPER HAS ALSO SECURED APPROXIMATELY $46

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MILLION IN FEDERAL AND STATE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PASSTHROUGH GRANTS. THE SECOND PART OF THIS REQUEST INVOLVES THE DEVELOPER'S REQUEST FOR UP TO

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1.775 MILLION IN INCREMENT TAX FINANCING. >> THANKS, EMILY. CHAIR OSMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MY NAME IS MATTHEW HENDRICKS, I'M A MANAGER IN

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THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT FINANCE DIVISION. TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, OR T.I.F., IS A FINCING TOOL AVAILABLE TO ALL CITIES AND COUNTIES IN MINNESOTA AND GOVERNED B STATE STATUTE. THE CITY CAN ONLY UTILIZE THIS TOOL IN ACCOANCE WITH THE RULES ESTABLISHED BY THETATE

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T.I.F. ACT, WHICH MEANS THE T.I.F. DISICT CAN ONLY SUPPORT THE SPECIFIC PROJECT DEFINED IN THE T.I.F. PLAN. IN OTHER WORDS, UNDER CURRENT LAW, T.I.F. CANNOT GENERATE UNRESTRICTED GENERAL USE FUNDS. THE PROJECT MUST INCLUDE SPECIFIC ELIGIBLE COSTS, WCH

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ARE ALSO DEFINED BY STATUTE. AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PROJECT MUST MEET A "BUT FOR" TEST, A LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUST SATISFY BEFORE CREATING A NEW T.I.F. DISTRICT TO ENSURE T.I.F. IS ONLY USED ON PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE BUT

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FOR PUBLIC FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. BASED ON STAFF'S REVIEW, THIS PROJECT MEETSHE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A HOUSING T.I.F. DISTRICT. I WILL NOW INVITE OUR SUMMER URBAN SCHOLAR, BRADON ROTHE TO JOIN ME AND SHARE A LITTLE

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MORE DETAIL ON THE REST FOR THE -- ON THE REQUEST FOR THE GRAIN EXCHANGE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME SIOUX BRADON ROTHE, AND I'M AN URBAN SCHOLAR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT FINANCE TEAM THIS SUMMER. AS NOTED, THE GRAIN EXCHANGE

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PROJECT IS REQUESTING $1.775 MILLION IN TAX INCREMENT FINANCING. AS WITH ALL T.I.F. PROJECTS, THE INCREASED PROPERTY VALUE RESULTING FROM THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S GENERAL TAX BASE UNTIL THE T.I.F. DISTRICT IS DECERTIFIED, WHICH

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IS ANTICIPATED TO OCCUR 15 YEARS AER DEVELOPMENT COMPLETION. THE CITY WILL ALSO RETAIN 10% OF THE TAX INCREMENT GENERATED EACH YEAR TO PAY T.I.F. ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. E T.I.F. RECAPTURE PROVISIONS FOR THIS PROJECT INCLUDE TWO COMPONENTS. FIRST, THERE WILL BE A POST-CONSTRUCTION REVIEW OF

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THE DEFERRED DEVELOPER FEE AS COMPARED TO THE CURRENT PROJECT BUDGET. IF THE DEVELOPER IS ABLE TO INCREASE THEIR UP-FRONT FEE VIA CONSTRUCTION SAVINGS, IMPROVED FINANCING TERMS OR ANY OTHER FACTORS THAN THE AMOUNT OF T.I.F -- THEN THE AMOUNT OF T.I.F. ASSISTANCE

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WILL BE REDUCED PROPORTIONATELY. THE SECOND PIECE OF THE RECAPTURE LANGUAGE COULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION OR ELIMINATION OF T.I.F. SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT IF THE PROJECT GENERATES SIGNIFICANT PROCEEDS FOR THE DEVELOPER IN THE EVENT OF A SALE OR REFINANCING. THIS PROVISION IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR T.I.F. AGREEMENTS F OTHER PROJECTS AND I WILL NOW

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TURN THE PRESEATION BACK OVER TO EMILY >> THANK YOU, BRADON. THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION TODAY. STAFF RECOMMENDS PROCEEDING WITH THESE REQUESTS IN TODAY'S

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APPROVALS. IF THAT HAPPENS, THE PROJECT WILL BE POSITIONED TO CLOSE AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION THIS FALL. WE CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME. I ALSO WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S REPRESENTATIVES FROM SHERMAN ASSOCIATES HERE AS WELL TODAY. SO, YES. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, STAFF, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION OF THE PROJECT AND ALSO INFORMATION ABOUT T.I.F. ON THIS WE WILL -- IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS

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ITEM.I'M SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I SEE A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE A COMMENT OR QUESTION. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN. I WOULDIRST LIKE TO MENTION THAT BUILDING MORE HOUSING IS

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A GOOD THING AND THAT I WOULD RATHER BUILD MORE HOUSING IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS WHILE MAKING IT MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY THAN BEING OUT DATA CENTERS IN DOWNTOWN. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON OUR EFFORTS ON BUILDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN OUR CITY RATHER THAN BUILDING IT FOR DATA CENTERS. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION

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THAT FIRST. I GUESS FOR STAFF, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD PLEASE CONFIRM THAT NO DATA CENTER IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS HOUSING PROJECT AT ALL. I WOULD JUS LIKE TO KNOW THAT. >> DID CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, NO DATA CENTER

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WILL BE PART OF THIS PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. JUST WANT TO GET IT ON RECORD. AND I'M GOING TO HAVE A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF. CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THE AMI BREAKDOWN FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW? I HAVE THE NUMBER, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET IT CONFIRMED FOR THE PUBLIC AND PEOPLE WATCHING

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AT HOME. >> CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, THE BREAKDOWN IS 210 UNITS AT 60% AMI AND 22 UNITS AT MARKET RATE. >> AND WHAT DOES CPED

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INTERPRET THAT 60% AMI INCOME RANGE TO BE? >> I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. >> I'LL ASK OTHER QUESTIONS IF FOLKS WOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, AT LEAST BEFORE THE MEETING ENDS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. DO YOU KNOW UNDER THIS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT HOW LONG,

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IS IT GOING TO BE FOREVER THAT IT'SOING TO BE AT 60% AMI OR IS IT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF YEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TOE AT 60% AMI? >> SO UNDER THE CITY TAX CREDIT REQUIREMENTS, IT WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 30 YEARS. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO

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HAPPEN, IS THERE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THOSE 30 YEARS PASS? ARE THEY GOING TO KEEP IT AT THAT LEVEL? >> SO TYPICALLY TAX CREDIT RUNS A MINIMUM OF 40 YEARS. I CAN CONFIRM AND FOLLOW UP

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AFTER THE MEETING ON THE TAX EDIT SCORING, THERE'S AN TION TO GET ADDITIOL POINTS FOR EXTENDEDAFFORDABILIT. I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF THAT SCORING IN FRONT OF ME. >> YEAH. AND I GUESS I'M ASKING MORE OF, LIKE, HAS A DEVELOPER AT LEAST COMMUNICATED WITH STAFF WHAT THEIR PLA WOULD BE AFTER THAT?

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AND NOT NECESSARILY -- YES, THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOME TAX BREAKS HERE, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAS THE DEVELOPER MADE A DECISION ON WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 30 YEARS OR EVEN 40 YEARS? >> W HAVE THE DEVELOPER AVAILABLE. CHRIS. COME ON UP.

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>> CHAIR OSMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW FACING A SIMILAR DECISION WITH TWO PROPERTIES IN NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS, BOTTINEAU COMMONS, BOTTINEAU LOTS OF, THAT WE DEVELOPED 25 YEARS AGO. AND THE DECISION WE'RE MAKING,

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WE'RE RE-UPPING ANOTHER 40 YEARS OF AFFORDABILITY, THAT WILL EXTEND OUT THE AFFORDABILITY AT LEAST 55 YEARS. SO SIMILAR WITH GRAIN EXCHANGE, AS WE GET 20 YEARS OUT FROM NOW, WHICH I'LL PROBABLY BE BACK UP IN FRONT IN 20 YEARS MAKING A REQUEST TO REINVEST MORE HEAVILY BACK INTO THE APARTMENTS. WE'LL COMEACK IN, AND WE'LL

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PROBABLY RE-UP AN AFFORDABILITY LONG TERM. THAT'S BEEN OUR GENERAL PRACTICE TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY LONG TERM, HIGH-QUALITY HOUSING, GENERATIONAL HOUSING. WE DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OFF THE MARKET. WE WANT TO KEEP IT HIGH QUALITY, LONG TERM. SO 20 TO 25, 30 YEARS FROM NOW

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I SUSPECT WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL RE-UPPING LONG TERM FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS ON AFFORDABILITY WITH GRAIN EXCHANGE. >> SUSPECT YOU WILL? >> WE FULLY PLAN TO. >> OKAY, JUST WANTED TOAKE SURE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I GUESS FOR STAFF, A QUESTION, JUST BECAUSE I THINK T.I.F.

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DISTRICTS OR PIECE MEELG T.I.F. DISTRICTS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS. PIECEMEALING. WHAT'S HAPPENED, IF LET'S JUST SAY, AND I HOPE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, BECAUSE I WANT THESE BUILDINGS TO BE FULL AND I WANT MORE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE UNITS.

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WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PROJECT UNDERPERFORMS OR IF PEOPLE AREN'T RENTING IT OUT AND THE BONDS AREN'T REPAID ON SCHEDULE, DOES THAT IMPACT THE CITY? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT DOESN'T. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE CITY.>>. CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THE CITY

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IS NOT AT RISK OF A DEBT PAYMENT ISSUE IF THE PROJECT UNDERPFORMS. THE CITY IN THIS CASE IS ISSUE A PAYGO T.I.F. NOTE SO THE RISK FOR ANY VARIATION FROM WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROJECTING LIES WITH THE DEVELOPER. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN THE LAST FEW

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QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE HERE IS THAT GIVEN THAT THIS IS REALLY FOCUSED IN DOWNTOWN IN HIGHER-INCOME AREAS IN OUR CITY, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR CPED THAT I HAVE IS, WHAT IS CPED DOING TO BRING MORE INVESTMENTS INTO OUR CULTURAL CORRIDORS WITH THIS KIND OF T.I.F. DISTRICT OR PIECEMEALING T.I.F. DISTRICTS

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INTO OUR CITY? WHERE ELSE IS THIS USED IN MINNEAPOLIS? I WOULD LOVE TO GET A BREAKDOWN ON THAT AS WELL. I THINK MY THING IS, YOU SEE $39 MILLION IN TAX, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL T AND YOU THINK, MY CONSTITUENTS SEE

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THAT, WHERE EE IS THAT BEING USED IN OUR CITY? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ZONES IN MINNEAPOLIS, LIKE ON LAKE STREET, 38th STREET, FRANKLIN AVENUE, WEST BROADWAY, YOU NAME IT? SO, YEAH. >> CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER

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CHAVEZ, IS YOUR QUESTION SPECIFIC TO HOUSING REVENUE BONDS OR TAX INCREMENT FINANCING TEN? >> T.I.F., I GUESS, EITHER/OR, BOTH. I KNOW THERE'S T.I.F., THERE'S LIKE LESS MONEY ON THA BUT I GUESS BOTH -- BOTH.

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THERE'S MANY VOTES THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW SO I WOULD SAY BOTH. >> THE HOUSING REVENUE BONDS ARE A TOOL THAT ARE PAIRED WITH A HOUSING TAX CREDIT. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS. WE CLOSE BOTH NEW CONSTRUCTION AN REHAB EVERY YEAR ACRO THE CITY.TYPICALLY THOSE ARED WH

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OUR -- PAIRED WITH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND WHICH DOES PRIORITIZE PROJECTS WITHIN CULTURAL CORRIDORS. I ALSO -- I DID -- I DO HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE FOR YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION AROUND AMI, AND I CAN ANSWER THAT NOW. SO FOR 60% I HOUSEHOLD,

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THAT'S UP TO A FAMILY OF FOUR, THE ALLOWABLE INCOME WOULD BE UP TO $78,900. FOR A FAMILY OF TWO, IT WOULD BE $63,100. AND I'LL LET MATTHEW ANSWER AROUND THE T.I.F.

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>> TOUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, IN TERMS OF GEOGRAPHY OF USE OF T.I.F., T.I.F. IS A CITYWIDE TOOL, AND WE LOOK AT USE OF T.I.F. ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS BECAUSE EACH DISTRICT NEEDS TO MEET THE STATE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.

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BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY AVAILABLE CITYWIDE. AND WE COULD FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR OFFICE AND SEND A MAP OF CURRENT T.I.F. DISTRICTS, IF YOU'D LIKE. >> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, OF, LIKE, WHERE WE USUALLY USE T.I.F. DISTRICTS, HOW IT'S APPLIED, HOW OFTEN DO WE USE IT, AREAS IN OUR CITY,

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MAYBE THE PAST FEW YEARS. SO THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL. I'LL BE VOTING FOR THIS TODAY. I JUST HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I THINK A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS ARE JUST ASKING WHEN THEY SEE THIS ITEM BROUGHT BEFORE US. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I AM A BIG SUPPORTER OF BUILDING MORE HOUSING.I THINK BUILDING MORE HG IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

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I'D RATHER BUILD MORE HOUSING DOWNTOWN THAN DATA CENTERS. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WILL KP ON NAMING BECAUSE AM CONCERNED THAT DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO BECOME A PLACE OF JUST DATA CENTERS INSTEAD OF HOUSING AND A FAMILY-FRIENDLY DOWNTOWN. BUT I'LL SUPPORT THIS TODAY AND I JUST HOPE THAT IN THE

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FUTURE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THIS TOOL THAT WE PRIORITIZE MORE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THAT HEARING THE SALARY INCOME RANGE IS STILL GOING TO BE HARD FOR, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE IT BY TO LIVE IN DOWNWN.

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SO, JUST WANT TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. I WILL RECOGNIZE NEXT COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT DATA CENTERS. I'M GOING TO STICK TO THE GERME HERE AND TALK ABOUT -- >> TNK YOU.

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>>  -- THIS PROJECT. BUT I WANTED TO THANK OUR STAFF. THIS IS REALLY HARD WORK TO GET ALL THESE NUMBERS TO MATCH UP AND KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE DEVELOPER. THIS PROJECT STARTED TWO TERMS AGO. I WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPERS FOR YOUR -- YOU ARE THE BEST

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AT PROVIDING HOUSING FOR THOSE WHO LEAST CAN AFFORD IT. YOU'VE SHOWN THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN THIS CITY. YOUR HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO HELP THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE IN OUR CITY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS TODAY.

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>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. I RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER, AND HOPEFULLY SHE'LL MAKE THE MOTION, TOO. >> SURE. I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU AS WELL. IN A TIME WHERE THERE'S MANY PLACES TO INVEST YOUR MONEY, I WANT TO SAY PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. THAT MATTERS.

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YOUR TRACK RECORD MATTERS. AND YOU MATTER TO THIS CITY. AND, SO, THANKFUL TO CPED FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO COBBLE ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER AND FOR YOUR PERSEVERENCE IN PUTTING THIS DEAL TOGETHER. BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BENEFIT,

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AND I'M THRILLED TO SEE THAT REALITY START TO HAPPEN EVEN THIS FALL. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUICK TIMETABLE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE THE TION TO MOVE FORWARD THE GRAIN EXCHANG CONVERSION PROJECT FANCING. >> SECOND.

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL ALSO MAKE A COMMENT HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPERS' THINKING. THIS IS SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE. WE TALK ABOUT THIS CONVERSION PLAN IN OUR DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE COVID AND

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THINGS ARE CHANGING AROUND. SO THIS WILL BE REALLY A GOOD MODEL FOR THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS TO FOLLOW, TO BRING PEOPLE INTO DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE CLOSE TO WORK, A PLACE FOR FOLKS TO AFFORD, AND I DID

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TALK TO THE DEVELOPERS TO REALLY EVEN GET MORE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEY SAY THEY WILL LOOK INTO IT. BUT ALSO THE EXCITING PART ABOUT IT IS THERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE AREA WHERE ACROSS E STREET FROM

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HERE, YOU KNOW, VERY SHORT DISTANCE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS BLDING TO KIND OF GO AND REALLY ENJOY THAT PLACE. SO, SUPER EXCITED FOR THIS PROJECT AND CAN'T WAIT FOR THE

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RIBBON CUTTING WHEN THIS WILL OPEN. WITH THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ MEMBERS VOTING ] AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. [ NO RESPONSE HEARD ] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

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NEXT ITEM IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. BEFORE WE BEGIN, IF THE APICANT IS HERE TO TESTIFY, YOU'LL BE GRANTED FIVE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THIS COMMITTEE. ALL OTHER TESTIFIERS WILL BE

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GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO ADDRESS. WITH THAT, THIS ITEM IS A VARIANCE APPEAL SUBMITTED BY THE PROPERTY AT 4710 HUMBOLDT AVENUE NORTH. I WILL INVITE MYLES CAMPO FROM CPED TO GIVE US MORE

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INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ITEM. WELCOME, SIR. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN, BOARD MEMBERS -- OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, EXCUSE ME. SO THIS ITEM, 4710 BUM HOLDT AVENUE NORTH, AS MENTIONED, IS AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BACK IN MAY WHEN THAT MEETING

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WAS HELD. SO THE VARIANCE IN THIS CASE WAS REGARDING A TRASH ENCLOSURE TO THE REAR OF AN EXISTING EIGHT-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AT 4710 HUMBOLDT AVENUE NORTH. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE THAT EXISTING LOT, IT'S A BIT OF A FUNKY SHAPE, BEING

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LOCATED ON HUMBOLDT AVENUE AND SHINGLE CREEK PARKWAY. THE PARKING AND THE TRASH ENCLOSURE, AS IT WERE, ARE BOTH LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING OFF OF OF THE ALLEY ITSELF. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THESE ARE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE FROM EARLIER THIS SPRING. TRYING TO GIVE A BIT OF A

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VIEW OF THAT ENTIRE PARKING AREA. SO, AGAIN, CURRENTLY THERE ARE EIGHT SPACES AVAILABLE FOR THOSE EIGHT RESIDENTS IN THE BUILDING. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER KIND OF IMPEDIMENTS IN PROVIDING SCREENING FOR THAT DUMPSTER. SO, AGAIN, THE DUMPSTER IS LOCATED ON THE FAR, KIND OF

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NORTH END OF THE PARKING AREA. IT IS BRACKETED BY SOME MATURE TREES, AS WELL AS UTILITY POLES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT PARKING AREA, WHICH POTENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED IN CONJUNCTION WITH XCEL ENERGY, IF THE APPLICANT NEEDED MORE SPACE TO ENCLOSE

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THAT DUMPSTER ITSELF. AGAIN, THEY CAN CERTAINLY ENCLOSE IT BY MOVING INTO IN ONE OF THOSE PARKING SPACES AND THEREBY LOSE THAT PARKING AREA. IDEALLY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO FOR THEIR PARKING AND THEIR RESIDENTS. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT ALREADY IS BEGINNING TO KIND OF ENCROACH

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INTO THAT EIGHTH SPACE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF REALLY DOES WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN TERMS OF CONTEXT, WE'LL TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT THE FINDINGS THAT NEED TO BE MET FOR A VARIANCE, ONE THING THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK AT IS ARE THERE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES TO THE PROPERTY THAT CAUSE THE NEED FOR A VARIANCE OR CAUSE THE

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NEED FOR KIND OF A DISCRETION FROM THE CODE ITSELF. SO IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF HUMBOLDT AND SHINGLE CREEK PARKWAY. HUMBOLDT ITSELF HAS PARKING RESTRICTIONS ALL ALONG IT, NORTH AND SOUTH. AND THEN THERE IS A BUS STOP

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DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING. SO ANYTHING THERE WITH A RED LINE WOULD BE NO STREET PARKING ALLOWED. THERE IS AT LEAST ONE SPACE ON KIND OF THE SAME BLOCK AS THE APARTMENT BUILDING ITSELF, AND THEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET THERE IS PARKING AVAILABLE. ONE THING THAT HAPPEN THE APPLICANT NOTED IN THEIR

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MATERIALS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS JUST TO THE SOUTHWEST, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF INDUSTRIAL USES THAT HAVE A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT GO AND TAKE THIS TURN BETWEEN THE TWO STREETS. YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT AERIAL IMAGERY FROM THE COUNTY THAT

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THOSE TRUCKS DO TAKE A VERY WIDE TURN. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF ACCIDENTS ON THAT STREET RELATED TO TRUCKS HITTING PARKED VEHICLES IN THE PAST. SO THERE WAS CONCERN FROM THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE OF MOVING THOSE RESIDENTS ON TO STREET PARKING. USUALLY NOT SOMETHING WE TALK A LOT ABOUT WITH VARIANCES. USUALLY THERE IS AN

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ALTERNATIVE OPTION, BUT HERE THERE DEFINITELY IS A BURDEN HERE ON THE PROPERTY IN TERMS OF PARKING AVAILABLE. WHEN THIS WENT TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THE STAFF, AGAIN, FELT THAT IT DID MEET THAT UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES FINDING FOR A VARIANCE.

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HOWEVER, VARIANCES REQUIRE ALL THREE FINDINGS OF THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES EXAM TO BE MET IN ORDER TO BE APPROVED. AT THE TIME STAFF DID NOT FEEL LIKE THAT THIS MEANT THE INTENT OF THE CODE. WE REQUIRE THAT DUMPSTERS BE SCREENED FOR APARTMENT

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BUILDINGS, TO PREVENT THE VIEW FROM PUBLIC STREETS OR RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT IT SERVES A PRACTICAL EFFECT OF BEING A BARRIER FROM A NONRESIDENT FROM DUMPING THEIR TRASH IN THAT AREA, WHICH SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE PAST WITH THIS SITE. SIMILARLY, AGAIN, THE KIND OF ESSENTIAL CHARACTER, THE

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INJURY TO DETRIMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, WE NOTED AT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THAT THIS HAD FIVE COMPLAINTS SINCE I BELIEVE 2002, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO GARBAGE OVERFLOWING IN THE ALLEY. SO CLEARLY THERE WAS A BURDEN BEING FELT BY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. ONE THING THAT WE NOTED AT THE TIME, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING

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WHERE STAFF AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WERE BOTH UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE COULD NOT SET ANY SORT OF CONDITIONS RELATED TO HIRING A STAFF PERSON ON SITE, WE HAVE CONFIRMED SINCE THAT MEETING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT ONE OPTION AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL WOULD BE TO CONDITION THE VARIANCE

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APPROVAL ON THE HIRING OR THE MAINTAINING OF THAT SITE THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE A LIVE-IN SUPERVISOR, A LIVE 199-IN BUILDING MANAGER. IT'S NOT PROBABLY STAFF'S FIRST CHOICE IN TERMS OF MANAGING COMPLIANCE LONG TERM, RIGHT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WAYS FOR US TO ENSURE THAT REQUIREMENT IS BEING MET 10,

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15 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. THIS VARIANCE WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND. BUT IT DOES SEEM TO GET AT THOSE SECONDARY POINTS, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE BEING TO MANAGE THAT POTENTIAL BLIGHT AND NUISANCE FROM THE TRASH AND THEN THE

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INJURY OR DETRIMENT TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WITH ALL THAT, I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR QUESTIONS. WE ALSO DO HAVE WAYNE CARLSON, THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE, HERE, AVAILABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC. >> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, STAFF. I APPRECIATE YOUR

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PRESENTATION. WE WILL PROCEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINES.

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>> IS THIS CLOSE ENOH? >> YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME TODAY. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> PARDON? >> STATE YOUR NAME. >> I'M WAYNE CARLSON. AND I'M T OWNER OF THE HORNER-CARLSON FAMILY

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PARTNERSHIP AND THE BUILDING. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME, BECAUSE TO ME IT'S VERY CRITICAL WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND I REALIZE THAT ALL YOU PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON YOUR AGENDA THAT ARE A LOT BIGGER THAN MY ISSUE. AND IHANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME TODAY.

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I'M FILING FOR AN EXEMPTION TO THE BOARD OFDJUSTMENT FOR HAVING A REFUSE CONTAINER AROUND MY GARBAGE CONTAINER, AND I'M DOING THIS, THE BOTTOM LINE IS HAVING THIS SURROUND

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AROUND MY GARBAGE CONTAINER HAS SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND THE BASIS FOR THAT IS THAT ALL -- AUT TWO OF MY EIGHT PARKING SPOTS -- I CAN'T SEE WELL. ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN UP WITH

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THIS ENCLOSURE. AND THEN I HAVE -- I HAVE REALLY THREE CHOICES I CAN MAKE. FIRST OF ALL, I CAN EXTEND THE PARKING LOT AND IT'S GOING TO COST ABOUT $138,000 TO DO THAT. NUMBER TWO, I CAN FORCE TWO TENANTS TO PARK ON THE ONLY

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TWO PARKING SPOTS AVAILABLE ON SHINGLE CREEK PARKWAY AND MAKING THEM VULNERABLE, A DANGEROUS TURNING CORNERS FOR THOUSANDS OF 18-WHEELERS. OR I CAN ADD -- THIRD R ALTERNATIVE IS THE ONE THAT I'M PROPOSING THAT I CAN ADD TO THE MANAGEMENT TEAM, A

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PERSON THAT WOULD LIVE IN THE BUILNG -- A TENANT THAT'S IN THE BUILDING AND DAILY SCAN THE PARKING LOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO STRAY TRASH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'VE ALSO -- AT THIS POINT ALSO

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ENLARGED MY CONTAINER. WHEN I WAS BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WASN'T A PLACE FOR ME TO REALLY BE. AND ONE OF THE LADIES THERE, IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A SURROUND OR TO HAVE CONTROL OF THE RUBBISH?

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THE INITIAL OWNERSHIP, I BOUGHT THIS BUILDING, PREIVE A TAX EXCHANGE -- PRESERVE A TAX EXCHANGE 25 YEARS AGO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN AS PART OF THE GREENWAY PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT AER I BOUGHT T THE INTENTION WAS CHAND WHEN THE NEIGHBORS INSISTED THAT THE PROPERTY BE

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LEFT AS A BUFFER TO THE INTERSECTION AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA. MY MANAGEMENT, I MANAGE THE PROPERTY AS A TIER ONE PROPERTY FOR 25 YEA. I VISIT THE BUILDING AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, CLEANING THE

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INTERIORS, CUTTING THE GRASS, BLOWING THE TRASH OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. I BELIEVE THIS WAY OF MANAGING GIVES ME THE ABILITY TO BE ON THE PREMISES AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. OVER THE YEARS, THE REFUSE HANDLING HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM INDIVIDUAL CONTAINERS TO

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LARGER DUMPSTERS TO IMPRO THE SYSTEM. THE TWO PICTURES TAKEN BY STUART AND I SHOW HERE, BY THE CITY, SHOWS A CLEAN AND ORDERLY DUMPSTE AREA. ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT SEE THE DUMPSTER HAVE SIGD A LETTER

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BACK WHEN SUPPORTING ME ON LEAVING THE DUMPSTERS INITIALLY. MY INTERACTION WITH THE COUNCIL AND INSPECTION. THE INSPECTION DEPARENT ORDERED THAT I PROVIDE A SURROUND. I APPEALED TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND SHE TOLD ME SHE

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HAD ASKED THE INSPECTOR LEAVE ME ALONEND I WAS A TIER ONE LANDLORD AND SHE WANTED TO KEEP ME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBER AFTER THAT AND SHE STRESSED THAT IN ADDITION TO MY HANDS-ON MANAGEMENT, I HIRE SOMEBODY IN THE BUILDIN TO

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SURVISE THE RUBBISH CONTAINER ON A DAILY BASIS. I'VE DONE THAT, IN ADDITION I'VE ADDED A LARGER CONTAINER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. SHE RECOMMENDED I TRY TO APPEAL TO VETERANS WHO MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE RESPECT FOR MY PROPERTY. I THINK THIS SHOULD SOLVE THE

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PROBLEM OF CLEANING UP THE LOOSE PAPER AND PLASTIC ACROSS THE BUILDING. KEEPING THE PARKING AMENITY FOR THE EIGHT TENANTS REQUIRES THE PARKING LOT TO BE EXTEND AND PAVED FOR TWOEW SPACES. IT WOULD REQUIRE THE MOVING OF ONE OR POSSIBLY TWO UTILITY

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POLES TO CREATE A NEW SPACE. IT ALSO REQUIRE REMOVAL OF LARGE TREE TO THE NORTH, ONE TO THE SOUTH, AND A HEDGE TO THE SOUTH. IT REQUIRES THE MOVING OF PHONE, ELECTRICAL, AND COME CAST -- COMMISSIONER CAST

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LINES -- COMCAST AT INCREDIBLE COST. IT'S A COST OF OVER $137,000. THIS IS BEYOND M FINANCIAL CAPABILITIES AND MOST LIKELY FORCE ME TO SELL THE PROPERTY. THE MINNEAPOLIS RESTRICTED PARKING. THERE'S NO LEGAL PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HUMBOLDT,

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WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE'S NO PARKIN BECAUSE OF THE BUS STOP. THERE'S BASICALLY ONE AND A HALF SPOTS THAT PEOPLE COULD PARK THERE AND TN THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A SNOW

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EMERGENCY. THERE'S NO PARKING TO THE NORTH. BASICALLY THE'S NO PARKING TO ANY AREA AROUND MY BUILDING ON THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST, EXCEPT THESE TWO PARKING SPOTS. >> SIR, YOU'VE RUN OUT OF TIME. IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

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>> WELL, I WAS GOING TO GO IN THE PARKING ON THE TREAT IS UNSAFE OF, BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT 17,000 TURNS ON THAT STREET, AND THERE'S BEEN THREE ACCIDENTS IN THE LAST YEAR THERE TH VEHICLES RUNNING INTO MY BUILDIN FRONT'S BEEN BLOCKED OFF TO VEHICLES AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S

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A BUS SP THAT'S KNOCKED OVER. SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONCUR WITH THIS IS THAT YOU ALLOW ME TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS AND LET ME GO AHEAD WITH GTING SOMEONE IN THE BUILDING TO HELP WITH THE CLEANING AND TAKE CARE OF THAT ASPECT.

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I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, THE TENANTS AND THE NEIGHBORS. AND I HAVE -- ALL THE THINGS I'VE DISCUSSED HERE ARE IN ADDENDUMS, EXHIBITS, SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT WHAT I'M SAYING

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IS AS THE BASIS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> IF YOU HAVE ANY -- >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I JUST GOT A BILL HERE FOR THIS PROJECT FOR $13,303.65. I HAV NO IDEA WHAT THAT'-- >> FROM THE CITY? WE'LL HAVE STAFF TO TALK TO

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YOU AFTER THE MEETING. >> OKAY. >> IF YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO SUBMIT IN WRITING, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO THE CLERK. WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THE RECORD. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

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SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOGNIZE VICE CHAIR CROWDRY. CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR OSMAN. THANK YOU, Mr. CARLSON, FOR COMING DOWN TO CITY HALL AND WRITING YOUR APPEAL.

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SO, COLLEAGUES, JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS, I THINK THIS SITUATION IS, I WOULD SAY, A LITTLE HIGHLY UNUSUAL. I THINK, FOR ME, IT'S VERY HARD TO CONSIDER THE GRANTING

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OF A VARIANCE WHEN THE CODE IS STRAIGHTFORWARD. HOWEVER, THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE SITUATION, I THINK THE APPLICANT REALLY CLEARLY LAID OUT. THERE'S JUST -- IT'S JUST A VERY TENUOUS CORNER FOR

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ON-STREET PARKING, EVEN IF YOU DID ON-STREET PARKING, IT WOULD GO OFF IN THE VINTER TIME AND THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS AND THEN ALSO I THINK Mr. CARLSON, IN YOUR ADDENDUM YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF CONCURRED WITH.

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AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VITA HAS BEEN TALKING TO YOU AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION WHICH COMMEND YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND FIGURING OUT WHAT WORKS. MY ONE ASK, TO CONSIDER ALONG WITH HIRING A SUPERVISOR IS

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MAKING A PLAN FOR IF THE DUMPSTER OVERFLOWS, RIGHT? WHERE WOULD IT GO EVEN IF YOU HAD AN ON-SITE PERSON TO COME AND PICK IT UP? I THINK THAT'S REALLY GETTING TO THE HEART OF KIND OF THE ISSUE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE

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COMPLAINED ABOUT. THE MOTION THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE IS BASED OFF OF WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS SAID IS ALLOWABLE, WHICH IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITION THAT Mr. CARLSON HIRES AN

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ON-SITE SUPERVISOR TO TO CLEAN ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO I GUESS ONE QUESTION THAT MAYBE I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, SIR, IF YOU WANT TO

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COME UP, Mr. CARLSON. >> MY QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR, IS IN ADDITION TO THE ON-SITE SUPERVISOR BEING THERE, WILL YOU JUST COMMIT TO MAKING A PLAN FOR MAYBE IF THERE'S EXTRA SPACE NEEDED FOR

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OVERFLOWING TRASH? I KNOW SOMEONE WILL COME AND CLEAN IT UP. BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A WAY FOR COMMUNI MEMBERS IN YOUR BUILDING TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A WAY TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION AS IT OCCURS.

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>> I GUESS WHAT I C SAY IS THIS GENERALLY HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE HAS MOVED OUT. LIKE IN THE LAST ONE I HAD MOVED OUT, I HAD AN EIGHT-YARD CONTAINER COME OVERND WE PUT ALL THE GARBAGE IN THAT CONTAINER AND HAD IT MOVED OUT THAT WAY.

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SO I GUESS I THINK I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION BY MY ACTIONS ALREADY. HAVE I ANSWERED IT? >> IN PART. JUST MAKING SURE THAT -- I THINK THE GOAL IS GETTING AT ENSURING THAT THERE'S NO OVERFLOW OF TRASH AND TRASH ON

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THE GROUND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PRFERS IS GOING TO HELP -- THE SUPERVISOR IS GOING TO HELP WITH THAT, BUT MAKING SURE THERE'S A WAY THAT FOLKS CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT'S HOW THEY CAN ADDRESS THESITUATION. JUST MAKING IT CLEAR TO YOUR TENANTS THAT THIS IS AVAILABLE TO THEM. >> WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM?

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>> THE ON-SITE SUPERVISOR AND ADDITIONAL CLEANING, IF WE GRANT YOU THE VARIANCE. >> THEY KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S DOING THAT? >> YH, AND HOW TO GET AHOLD OF THEM. I KNOW YOU'RE AT THE PROPERTY ONCE A WEEK, YOU SHARED IN YOUR ADDENDUM. >> OF COURSE. AND I THINK THEY ALREADY KNOW -- >> OH, GOOD.

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>> IT'S OBVIOUS -- >> I JUST ASK BECAUSE IT'S HIGHLY UNUSUAL FOR US TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT WE HAVE A WAY TO CONDITION IT, BUT THE GOAL IS TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AT HAND AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A GOOD PLAN FOR IT. >> WELL, I CONCUR WITH WHAT

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YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. >> OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. THAT'S THE MOTION THAT I'LL BE MAKING. >> THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIG. SEEING NO ONE ELSE, I WILL -- >> APOLOGIES. CAN I JUST SEEK CLARIFICATION HERE? IF THE INTENT IS TO MOVE

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FORWARD WITH AN APPROVAL OF THE APPEAL, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY RECOMMEND IN THAT CASE THAT YOU DO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION AT THIS MOMENT AND DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE FINDINGS OF FACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT MOTION. >> OY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD, ATTORNEY.

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SO ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS TO MOVE FOR THE APPEAL -- GRANT THE APPEAL WITH THE CONDITION TO HIRE AN ON-SITE SUPERVISOR AND WE WILL ASK STAFF TO WORK WITH US TO CREATE THE FINDINGS AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. >> WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION.

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N>> ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. SO WITH THAT MOTION FROM VICE CHAIR CROWDRY, ALL -- CHOWDHURY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ MEMBERS VOTING ] AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. [ NO RESPONSE HEARD ]

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THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS -- GIVE ME A SECOND HERE.

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DISCUSSION. OKAY, THERE WE GO, THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF LAKESHORE ARMS LOCATED AT 3026 LAKE STREET.

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I WELCOME ROB FROM CPED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION. THK YOU. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN, GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ROB SKALECKI,

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SENIOR CITY PLANNER IN THE HISTORIC TEAM. TODAY I'M PRESENTING THE DESIGNATION OF THE LAKESHORE ARMS APARTMENTS WHICH ARE LOCATED AT 3026 LAKE STREET WEST. ON AUGUST 12th, 2025, THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION

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COMMISSION VOTED TO APPROVE THE NOMINATION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 3026 LAKE STREET WEST AS A LANDMARK. THEY ESTABLISHED INTERIM PROTECTION AT THAT TIME AND DIRECTED THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO PREPARE OR CAUSE TO BE PREPARED A DESIGNATION STUDY. THAT NOMINATION APPLICATION

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WAS SUBMITTED BY MINNEAPOLIS HPC COMMISSIONER AMY THOMAS. FOLLOWING THAT CPED STAFF COMPILED A DESIGNATION STUDY OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN APRIL OF 2026. STAFF SENT THE STUDY TO THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.

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THE STUDY CONCLUDED THAT THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION UNDER LOCAL CRITERION 4, FOR ARCHITECTURE. AT THEIR JUNE 6th, 2026 MEETING, THE HBC VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE DESIGNATION.

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THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A TWO-STORY BRICK VENEER APARTMENT BUILDING WITH A BASEMENT HALF STORY.THE APARTMEH 17 UNITS AND A BEMENT-LEVEL GARAGE. THE BUILDING IS CLAD IN LIGHT BROWN OR TAN BRICK AND HAS A FLAT ROOF THAT INCLUDE SELECT

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LOCATIONS WITH SHAPED ROOF SECTIONS TO ADD OTHER THANMENT. THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNED BY VANDERBILT AND IT WAS BUILT BY D FOR OWNER MORRIS TRACK, A LOCAL BUILDER AND DEVELOPER. THE RECEIVED BUILDING APPROVAL

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IN OCTOBER, 1930, AND NEWSPAPER RECORDS BEGAN ANNOUNCING THE BUILDING OPENING BY MARCH 1931. THE CONSTRUCTION OF LAKESHORE ARMS APARTMENTS IS TIED TO MULTIFAMILY HOUSING OPTIONS THAT APPEARED AROUND UPTOWN IN THE CEDAR ISLES DEAN AREA IN

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THE 1920s AND 1930s. THE URBAN SETTING IN CONNECTION TO THE LAKES ATTRACTED MINNEAPOL RESIDENTS IN THE EARLY 20th SENT THE PROMISE OF URBAN LIFE MIXED WITH WATER RECREATION AMENITIES. MEDITERRANEAN DESIGN INFLUENCES WERE ESPECIALLY COMMON IN THE AREA AND SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE BUILDINGS BECAME POPULAR.

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THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNED USING THE SPANISH STYLE AND CONTAINS A SIGNIFICANT DEGREE OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THOSE INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO A SHAPED MAIN DOORWAY THAT INCLUDES A HEAVY WOOD DOOR, LIGHT COLOR BRICK

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CLADDING, CAST CEMENT ORNAMENTATION, INCLUDING FLORAL MATERIALS, CONCRETE RELIEF, A CAST CEMENT BALCONY WITH PROMINENT CAST CEMENT, SHAPED OPENINGS, SPIRALED COLUMNS, VARIED ROOF SHAPES,

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CLAY ROOF TILES, MULTILIGHT WOOD, DOUBLE-HUNG SASH WINDOWS AND FRENCH DOORS AT VARIOUS OPENINGS AND PATIOS AND BALCONIES THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. PROPERTIES BUILT IN THE SPANISH ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURAL

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STYLE USE TRADITIONAL SPANISH DESIGN TRENDS INCORPORATING BALCONIES AND PLAZAS AND COURTYARDS AND PATIOS TO CREATE AN APPARENT ASSOCIATION BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. AND THIS IS EVIDENT IN THE LAKESHORE ARMS APARTMENTS. CHAPTER 599 OF THE MINNEAPOLIS

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CODE OF ORDINANCES REQUIRES THAT THE DESIGNATION BE SUBMITTED TO THE MINNESOTA STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT. THIS WAS DONE AND THE MINNESOTA STATE HISTORIC HISTORIC OFFICE CONCURRED WITH THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDED IN A LATER DATED MAY 19, 2026

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THAT THE PROPERTY APPEARED TO BE AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE FOR LOCAL DESIGNATION UNDER THAT CRITERION 4 FOR ARCHITECTURE. IN ORDER FOR THE HBC AND COUNCIL TO APPROVE A LANARK DESIGNATION, THE FOLLOWING TWO FINDINGS MUST BE MADE. ONE THAT THE COLLECTION OR

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COLLECTION OF PROPERTIES MEETS AT LEAST ONE LOCAL CRITERION TO BE DESIGNATED AS A LANDMARK OR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND TWO THAT THE PROPERTY OR COLLECTION OF PROPERTIES RETAINS SUFFICIENT HISTORIC INTEGRITY TO BE DESIGNATED A A LANDMARK OR HISTORIC STRICT. STAFF AND THE HBC OCCUR ENSURE

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THAT IT MEETS CRITERION 4 AS A PROPERTY THAT EMBODIES DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SPANISH ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND MEETS FINDING ONE AND THAT LAKESHORE ARMS APARTMENTS RETAINS ALL SEVEN ASPECTS OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY, INCLUDING LOCATION, SETTING, DESIGN, MATERIALS,

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WORKMANSHIP, FEELING AND ASSOCIATION TO MEET FINDING 2. STAFF HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT THE DESIGNATION STUDY AND DESIGNATION PROCESS. THE OWNER HAS STATED OPPOSITION TO THE DESIGNATION FOR MANY REASONS. AND THOSE WRITTEN COMMENTS ARE

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INCLUDED FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONSIDER. I BELIEVE THE OWNER IS HERE TODAY AND MAY WANT TO SPEAK IF POSSIBLE. STAFF WILL ALSO NOTE THAT THE OWNER HAS, AS I MENTIONED, BEEN CLEAR ABOUT THE

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OPPOSITION TO THE DESIGNATION BUT STAFF HAS RECEIVED OVER 15 PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT SUPPORT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY. WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE AS STAFF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, STAFF.

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I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. IS IS A DISCUSSION. 'AT THE SAME TIME IT'S A DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE. SO, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M OPEN TO GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OWNER TO SPEAK. BUT BEFORE THAT, I WILL

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RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. >> CAN I SPEAK AFTER THE OWNER SPEAKS? >> IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW IF THE OWNER IS HERE. WELCOME. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? >> YES, I WOULD. >> YUP. WE'LL GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK, THAT'S OKAY.

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COME ON. >> IT'S NOT A QUASI JUDICIAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY USUALLY WE GIVE THE APPLICANT SEVEN MINUTES OR SO, BUT IT'S NOT SET UP THAT WAY TODAY.

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SO I WOULD JUST GIVE YOU A SHORT TIME TO KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF -- YEAH. >> OKAY. CHAIRMAN OSMAN AND VICE CHAIR CHOWDHURY AND COMMITTEE

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MEMBERS, MY NAME IS STEVE HORNIYG AND TOGETHER WITH MY BROTHER, GARY, WE PURCHASED LAKESHORE ARMS ABOUT A YEAR AGO NOW. AND MY FAMILY HAS OWNED, RESTORED AND MANAGED APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN MINNEAPOLIS FOR FOUR GENERATIONS, OVER 100

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YEARS. WE BELIEVE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THAT IT IS AN IMPORTANT PUBLIC POLICY AND NOTHING I SAY TODAY SHOULD BE INTERPRETED OTHERWISE. I WANT TO BEGIN AND MAKE IT

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VERY CLEAR THAT I ACCEPT THE HBC'S CONCLUSION THAT LAKESHORE ARMS POSSESSES SUFFICIENT ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO QUALIFY FOR DESIGNATION. THE ISSUE IS THAT OVER 17

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BUILDINGS THAT WERE ALSO DESIGNED BY C.J. BARD ARE ALSO BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS THAT ARE EQUAL TO MY BUILDING. THE DESIGNATION STUDY NEVER

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CITED THAT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER MY BUILDING WAS MORE SPECIAL THAN ANY OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS. YOU'LL SEE PICTURES OF THEM IN THE SLIDES THAT I PREPARED. MAYBE IF WE COULD ROLL UP JUST

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A COUPLE MORE ON THIS. NO? CAN'T DO THAT? CAN I DO THAT? HERE IS A COLLECTION OF ALL OF THE BARD BUILDINGS IN SOUTH

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MINNEAPOLIS. THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. OF THERE'SOTHING THAT MY BUILDING HAS OVER ANY OF THESE OTHERS AND, SO, THE CRUCIAL QUESTION I WHY WAS M BUILDING CHOSEN?

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[ ALARM ] >> SORRY. PLEASE CONTINUE. I WANT TO HEAR. >> YOUR RESPONSIBILITY HERE IS MUCH BROADER THAN LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THIS. YOU, UNDER THE STATUTE, THE

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ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 599, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK MORE BROADLY, NOT ONLY AT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT ALSO THE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE IMPLEMENTAON OF THE MINNEAPOLIS COMPREHENSIVE

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PLAN. THAT REQUIRES BALANCING ON YOUR PART SEVERAL -- BALANCING SEVERAL IMPORTANT PUBLIC POLICIES, NOT JUST PRESERVATION. I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT WHEN ALL OF THESE POLICIES ARE CONSIDERED TOGETHER,

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DESIGNATIONF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST. >> SIR, IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP, PASE. >> SO WE'VE HAD 17 OTHER PROPERTIES. MINE IS N CHOSEN. TWO OTHER QUICK POINTS.

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UNDER THE DEMOLITIONTATUTE, IF YOU DON'T DESIGNATE THIS TODAY, THE DEMOLITION STATUTE IN MINNEAPOLIS IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF BUILDINGS THATAREH MY BUILDING IS, THAT IF THERE'S EVER A DEMOLITION PERMIT PUT FORTH, THERE WOULD

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BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> AND I THINK TO FORECLOSE THE CITY, TO GIVE UP THE POSSIBILITY OF GREATER DEVELOPMENT TO NOT ONLY FOR HOUSING, MORE HOUSING, THAT

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INCLUDES AFFORDABLE, INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, WITHOUT SEEING APECIFIC PROPOSAL EVEN BEING PRESENTED IS REAY PREMATURE. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I'M SORRY. WE'VE RUN OUT OF TIME. >> IT'S OKAY.

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I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. >> TNK YOU, Mr. HORNIG, FOR THOSE THOUGHTS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LONG HISTORY OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN MINNEAPOLIS. IN MANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES ACROSS MANY WARDS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE UPS

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AND DOWNS TO THE HOUSING INDUSTRY, BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT PROVISION AND THAT COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR SPACE. TODAY I WILL BE MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, PRIMARILY, AS YOU CAN REMEMBER FROM THE FIRST

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PICTURE THAT THIS IS REALLY A BUILDING THAT IS ON AND SURROUNDED BY MORE HIGH-DENSITY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HEARD TODAY THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING, AND WE

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HAVE THE DEMOLITION STATUTE TO FALL BACK ON. PUTTING THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION IN PLACE NOW WOULD COMPLELY FORECLOSE THE ADDITION OF HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING AT THISPOT AT ANY POINT IN TH FUTURE. ICH IS REALLY INCONSISTENT

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WITH MANY OF THE 2040 PLAN GOALS FOR THIS AREA. SO, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS DENIAL OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

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>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN, AND MAYBE ASK MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER, IF SHE WOULD MOVE THE MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. I JUST WOULD RATHER HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS.

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SO AT LEAST -- I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO MY POSITION TODAY. I WANT TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THIS CAME TO BE AND I DO HAVE QUESTIONS. SO I'D RATHER -- >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH ME, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU. >> VICE CHAIR CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU.

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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT OF THE MANY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNED BY THE SAME ARCHITECTS.

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HOW WAS THAT -- HOW WERE THESE PROPERTIES SELECTED AND IS THERE A PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER PROPERTIES? >> YEAH, THANK YOU, CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. SO WITHIN THE DESIGNATION STUDY THAT STAFF WROTE, A LOT

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OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND ACTUALLY SHOWN BY THE PROPERTY OWNER WERE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THAT STUDY. SO, INITIALLY WE WE LOOKING TO SEE IF THE PROPERTY MET OUR LOCAL CRITERION 6, WHICH WOULD BE TIED TO A MASTER INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL LIKE AN ARCHITECT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON

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WHY WE LOOKED AT THESE OTHER BUILDINGS DESIGNED BY THIS ARCHITECT. WE ULTIMATELY DIDN'T RECOMMEND DESIGNATION UNDER THAT CRITERIA SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE FIRM OF BARD AND VANDERBILT WAS DISTINCT AND

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THAT IS THE FIRM THAT DESIGNED THIS BUILDING, WHEREAS, KARL BARD,HEN HE PRACTICED INDEPENDENTLY EARLIER, WAS MAKING DESIGNS SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT WERE SHOWN. SO, TO THE OTHER POINT, WHEN STAFF IS LOOKING AT PROPERTIES THAT EMBODY DISTINCTIVE

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CHARACTERISTICS OF AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE UNDER CRITERION 4 TO BE CONSIDERED FOR LANDMARK STATUS, WE DO LOOK AT OTHER PROPERTIES AND CONSIDER IF THEY RETAIN HISTORIC INTEGRI. SO DO THEY STILL COMMUNICATE THEIR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. AND WHEN LOOKING AT LAKESHORE

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ARMS, WE WERE ABLE TO DEDUCE THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT IS STILL THERE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IF A BUILDING COMES IN THE FUTURE THAT IS ALSO THIS STYLE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT CAN'T BE

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CONSIDERED IF THIS ONE IS DESIGNATED. SO WITH THAT, STAFF WERE ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH IN THE STUDY AND DETERMINE THAT THIS PROPERTY DID MEET THAT CRITERION 4 TO BE CONSIDERED FOR LANDMARK STATUS. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION

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FOR ME JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION, I THINK I DEFINITELY NEED SOME MORE TIME TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AHEAD OF FULL COUNCIL. SHOULD THIS GO AHEAD.

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AND THIS ISLSO JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING FOR FUTURE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS IF IT COMES TO US, SHOULD A RESOLUTION PASS THROUGH THIS BODY, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS THAT FOLLOW? I KNOW YOU SAID IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I'M KINDLY ASKING YOU TO REPEAT IT.

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>> SURE, CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU ASKING IF THIS IS APPROVED OR DENIED? >> AFTER APPROVAL, IF THERE IS APPROVAL, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? >> SURE. IF THIS IS APPROVED -- RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TODAY, IT WILL GO UP, OF COURSE, TO CITY

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COUNCIL FOR YOUR VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN THAT GOES UP TO THE MAYOR'S DESK AND ONCE IT'S SIGNED AND PUBLISHED, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHEN IT WOULD FORMALLY BECOME A CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS LANDMARK.

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STANDARDS. NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR ARE BEING SENSITIVE TO THE PROPERTY'S SIGNIFICANCE. AND IF A FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD WANT TO DEMOLISH, THEY'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, CALLED THE DEMOLITION OF DESIGNATED PROPERTY, TO MAKE THAT

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DECISION AT A FUTURE DATE IF IT COMES TO THAT. >> AND THAT WOULD GO TO THE HPC, RIGHT, FUTURE DEMOLITION? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. AND IS LANDMARK DESNATION ANY DIFFERENT THAN HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR ARE THEY THE SAME? >> SO, IT WOULD BE THE SAME.

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LANDMARK DESIGNATION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IS DIFFERENT FROM NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT -- I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN THOSE TWO. BUT THIS IS LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY. >> AND IF DENIED, WHAT HAPPENS? >> SO IF THE DESIGNATION IS

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DENIED, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER BROUGHT UP A POINT, IT COULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A THREE-YEAR WAITING PERIOD FOR SOMEONE TO CONSIDER NOMINATING IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO

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RECONSIDER A HISTORY OF A SITE WITH A FUTURE TIMELINE. >> OKAY. GREAT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. REALLY APPREATE IT. >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHY WAS THIS PROPERTY CHOSEN

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TO STUDY? >> CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE, THIS WAS SUBMITTED AS A NOMINATION BY MINNEAPOLIS HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER, AND THEY DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. AND I THINK IT WAS JUST A PERSONAL INTEREST IN THE SITE

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THAT LED TO THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. SEEINGO -- OH, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> ONE LAST THING, I GUESS. I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS. I PROBABLY WILL BE REACHING OUT.

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MY QUESTION IS, LET'S JUST SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAY THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO DECIDE ON THIS ISSUE, BUT LEST JUST SAY THEY DECIDE TO -- BUT LET'S JUST SAY THEY DECIDE TO APPROVE IT, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY CONCERNS IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE

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IDENTIFIED AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR HOUSING IN OUR CITY? I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING. >> CHAIR OSMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A PRECEDENT-SETTING DESION FOR ANY PROPERTY  THE CITY

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THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED FOR LANDMARK STATUS. BUT, YOU KNOW, AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE IF ONE OF THE NOMINATORS WHO'S ABLE TO NOMINATE A PROPERTY IF THE CITY WANTS TO BRING FORWARD ONE OF THE OTHER EXAMPLES FOR CONSIDERATION, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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WITH THAT MOTION TO FORWARD THIS ITEM WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ MEMBERS VOTING ] AND THO OPPOSED SAY NAY. [ NO RESPONSE HEARD ] THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT, OUR LAST ITEM IS

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PRESENTATION RELATED TO IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. >> THANK YOU CHAIR OSMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'LL BE PRESENTING TODAY BUT WE ALSOO HAVE FURTHER STAFF FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, SURFACE WATERS AND

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SEWERS, AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE AT THE END. AGAIN, THIS IS A RECEIVE AND FILE FOR A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE THAT CAME OUT OF COUNCIL MEMBER'S WONSLEY'S OFFICE LATER. LOOKING AT SYNTHETIC TURF SYSTEMS AND HOW THOSE COULD BE Y

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MANAGED IN CODE, HOW THEY COULD BE MANAGED IN COAT, KIND OF THOSE LONG-TERM IMPACTS FOR THOSE SYSTEMS. ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL QUESTIONS THAT WE STARTED OUT WITH JUST WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL TURF? KIND OF WORKING DEFINITION THAT WE HAD, THIS ACTUALLY IS OF NOT IN THE CODE TODAY, IT

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WAS PROPOSED BY OUR CO-DEVELOPMENT TEAM INDEPENDENT FROM THIS LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE AS THEY WERE LOOKING AT KIND OF OUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING CODE, LOOKING AT UPDATING THE DEFINITIONS CHAPTER TO ADDRESS ARTIFICIAL OR HYBRID TURF, A SYSTEM WHICH HAS THE APPEARANCE OF NATURAL TURF

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GRASS OR REINFORCES NATURAL TURF GRASS, THERE'S NOT 100% NATURAL TURF GRASS. BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD SAY, AGAIN, THIS WAS A PRETTY BROAD DEFINITION. I THINK IT IS A GOOD STARTING POINT TO THINK ABOUT IT. THERE ARE A REALLY BROAD RANGE OF THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS OUT THERE. THEY CAN TAKE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS.

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ONE OF THE THINGS -- ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD NOTE, THOUGH, IN TERMS OF OUR LITERATURE REVIEW, THE MINNESOTA STORM WATER MANUAL IS PREPARING AND HAS BEEN KIND OF PREPARING TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE ON SYNTHETIC TURF SYSTEMS. IT WAS A REQUIREMENT FROM THE LEGISLATURE, I BELIEVE, LAST

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YEAR THROUGH A STUDY, ESSENTIALLY, THAT MIGHT ALSO REALLY INFORM WHAT WE END UP, IF WE ADOPT THE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL OR SYNTHETIC TURF, LOOKING TO THE STATE LEVEL WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. IN TERMS OF HOW ARTIFICIAL TURF IS REGULATED TODAY, I

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THINK THE MAIN THING THAT I DO WANT TO LEAVE WITH YOU ALL HERE IS THAT IT IS NOT A PROHIBITED THING IN THE CITY. FOLKS CAN HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF. THE MAIN TWO STANDARDS IN ZONING THAT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO WOULD BE IMPERVIOUS SURF REQUIREMENTS. SO WE HAVE A MAXIMUM ON

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IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON A PARTICULAR LOT, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND WE CURRENTLY TREAT ARTIFICIAL TURF AS AN I AM PRESERVOUS SURFACE, SIMILAR TO OTHER THINGS LIKE PERMEABLE PAVERS THAT PURPORT AND REPRESENT THAT THEY ARE PERMEABLE, BUT WHICH EITHER HAVE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS

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OR WHICH MAY HAVE OTHER DRAW BAKS. DRAWBACKS. SECONDLY, IT IS NOT CONSIDERED AN ALTERNATIVE TO REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REQUIRED YARDS FOR A PROPERTY, YOU CANNOT HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN LIEU OF A NATURAL GRASS OR NATURAL LANDSCAPING.

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IF YOU CANNOT MEET THOSE TWO STANDARDS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING ARTIFICIAL TURF, TYPICALLY AND HISTORICALLY THE AVENUE FOR YOU HAS BEEN TO SEEK A LAND USE VARIANCE FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS PERSPECTIVE, THEY NOTED THAT ANY PROJECT THAT DOES DISTURB

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OVER HALF AN ACRE OR MORE OF SOILS DOES NEED TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH CITY STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT INCLUDES RUN-OFF RATE CONTROL, WATER QUALITY, AND VOLUME CONTROL. TYPICALLY HOW THAT WORKS AND, AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER REALLY

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ANY IN-DEPTH SCIENTIFIC QUESTIONS TO OUR SURFACE WATER AND SEWER STAFF, BUT DESIGN DOCUMENTS ARE PROVIDED AS PART OF THAT APPLICATION THAT ARE THEN USED TO MODEL OR SIMULATE THE PERFORMANCE OF THAT GROUND COVER MATERIAL IN A RAIN EVENT OR STORM EVENT. ONE THING TO NOTE HERE, THERE

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REALLY IS NOT A APPLICATION OR A PERMIT OR OTHER REGULATORY DOCUMENT THAT WOULD TRIGGER FOR A VERY SMALL-SCALE APPLICATION. SO IF SOMEONE WANTED TO REPLACE THEIR FRONT YARD WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF, THERE RIGHT NOW IS JUST NOT A REVIEW

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MECHANISM OR ANYTHING THAT TRIGGERS A CITY REVIEW AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CREATED AND OBVIOUSLY HAS KIND OF KNOCK-ON EFFECTS IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT. PART OF THIS LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE WAS LOOKING AT THE CLIMATE AND WATER QUALITY

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IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY ARTIFICIAL TURF AS AN ALLOWED MATERIAL IN LIEU OF SOME OF OUR GOALS AROUND CLIMATE SUSTAINABILITY IN THE 2040 PLAN. IN TERMS OF THOSE THAT WORK IN FAVOR OF ARTIFICIAL TURF, THERE'S DEFINITELY AN ARGUMENT FOR DECREASED WATER USAGE.

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IT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE THEY'VE SEEN A MUCH LARGER UPTICK IN THE SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES IN DRY AREAS. IT TYPICALLY INCORPORATES RECYCLED MATERIALS. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RUBBER CRUMB OR CRUMB RUBBER INFILL. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY MADE OUT OF RECYCLED TIRES, AND THAT IS

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ONE OF THE FEW WAYS THAT THE INDUSTRY HAS FOUND TO REUSE THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL. AND THEN THE OTHER NOTE IS FROM A SUSTAINABILITY, YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE 'COST TO THE FUNCTIONAL OR THE USE COST, TYPICALLY THOSE ARTIFICIAL SYSTEMS, ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE NORTH WHERE WE HAVE KIND

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OF WACKY WEATHER OVER WINTER AND SPRING, THEY HAVE A LONGER USABLE PERIOD. SO ARTIFICIAL TURF IS READY SOONER AND IS PLAYABLE LONGER INTO THE FALL AND INTO EARLY WINTER THAN A NATURAL TURF. IN TERMS OF KIND OF POINTS AGAINST ARTIFICIAL TURF, ONE

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OF THE MAIN THINGS IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT IN TERMS OF THAT PLASTIC DOES RETAIN AND HOLD ON TO HEAT A LOT MORE THAN A NATURAL GRASS WOULD. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE REPLACING NATURAL LANDSCAPING, YOU'RE LOSING SOME BIODIVERSITY AND NATURAL HABITAT. AND THEN THERE IS JUST A HIGHER CARBON FOOTPRINT IN

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INSTALLING AN ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELD. THERE CAN BE SOME SAVINGS IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, HAVING DECREASED WATER USAGE, BUT A THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THESE TYPICALLY HAVE ABOUT A TEN-YEAR LIFE SPAN. SO EVEN IF THEY'RE USING RECYCLED MATERIALS, EVEN IF THEY'RE ALLOWING IF A LONGER IN-YEAR USABILITY, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE KIND OF A

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DEADLINE ON THAT FIELD WHERE IT NEEDS TO THEN BE DISPOSED OF, TYPICALLY TO JUST A LANDFILL. AGAIN, I MENTIONED THAT RUBBER CRUMB INFILL MATERIAL, THIS WAS ONE WHERE WE DID REACH OUT TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF AND THEY REALLY HIGHLIGHTED A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL STORM

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WATER IMPACTS OF THAT RUBBER CRUMB MATERIAL WASHING OUT INTO WATER BODIES AROUND US, SPECIFICALLY THERE HAS BEEN SOME STUDIES MONITORING LEVELS OF HEAVY METALS, PFAS, PAHSs AND IN GENERAL MICROPLASTICS, THEY'RE A MAJOR SOURCE.

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AGAIN, MORE SO FROM THE KIND OF HABITAT OR ECONOMIC HEALTH -- OR ECOLOGICAL HEALTH, ACCUSE ME, RATHER THAN A PERSON PLAYING ON THE FIELD IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO SOME OF THOSE CHEMICALS BUT IT WOULD RUN OFF INTO THE WATER.LOOKING AT KIND O

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THE ORDINANCE, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE ZONING CODE,BECAS BEEN THE LARGER BARRIER FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, LIKE, FIVE, TEN YEARS THAT HAVE COME IN LOOKING TO DO ARTIFICIAL TURF EITHER FOR LIKE AN ATHLETIC FIELD CONTEXT OR FOR AGAIN A MORE RESIDENTIAL OR

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QUASI RESIDENTIAL USE. ONE IS THAT RHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE TREAT ARTIFICIAL TURF AS AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO EXCLUDE THOSE TYPES OF MATERIALS FROM MAXIM PRESERVOUS SURFACE CALCULATIONS. THERE'S A COUPLE CONCERNS FROM STAFF ON THIS. ONE IS PARTLY JUST ALLOWING

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FOR MOR OF THESE TYPES OF SURFACES IS NOT NECESSARILY IN LINE WITH A LOT OF OUR LONG-TERM SUSINABILITY GOALS. OBVIOUY WE MENTIONED URBAN HEAT ISLAND. IF YOU JUST KIND OF ROLL THESE OUT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN UPTICK IN THAT KIND OF HEAT RETENTION AT THE GROUND LEVEL.

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THE OTHER SIDE IS JUST, THOUGH, FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE AND KIND OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE SURROUNDINGTHESE. AGAIN, WE WOULD NEED TO CREATE SOME SORT OF A PERMITO FACILITATE THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS, ALONG WITH THAT THERE WOULD BE INSPECTIONS AND

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THEN LONG-TERM COMPLIANCE, WHICH IS REALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR INSPECTORS DO TODAY. SECONDARILY WOULD BE TO ALLOW ARTIFICIAL TURF AS A REPLACEMENT FOR NURAL LANDSCAPING. AGAIN, THERE IS SOM ARGUMENT FOR WHERE THAT COULD BE ALLOWED AS A PERMITTED

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OBSTRUCTION OR WHERE IT COULD BE REQUIRED IN THOSE -- PERMITTED IN THOSE REQUIRED YARD AREAS. STAFF HAS A CONCERN ABOUT WHOLESALE TREATING THIS AS A LANDAPING MATERIAL. WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF CASES IN THE PAST, I THINK SINCE 2020, WHERE WE NOW THINGS LIKE

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LANDSCAPE RO TO BE USED IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT TYPICALLY ERE ARE RESTRICTIONS THERE INERMS OF REQUIRING PLANTINGS TO BE SO SPACEnd THAT, IT CAN'T JUST BE LANDSCAPE ROCK OR YOU C'T HAVE IT IN AREAS THATOULD WASH OUT TO YOUREIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. SO THERE'S CERTAINLY, ESSENTIALLY, LOOKING AT ART TISSUE TURF WOULD PROBABLY

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ALSO REQUIRE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER NONNATURAL, NONLANDSCAPING MATERIALS. LOOKING AT ARTIFICIAL TURF. AGAIN I TALKED ABOUT THERE IS NOT A REGULATORY ARM FOR THIS. ONE OF THE MAJOR IMPACTS WOULD BE INCREASED STAFF NEEDS, IN

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TERMS OF AGAIN OUR INSPECTORS ARE NOT CURRENTLY CURRENTLY TRAINED TO -- WE WOULD NEED TO CREATE A PERFORMANCE STANDARD FOR ANY OF THESE SYSTEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DEEMED AS PRESERVOUS VERSUS IMPRESERVOUS SURFACE. AND THEN HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT COMPLIANCE LONG TERM.

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SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH PERMEABLE PAVERS, WE DON'T COUNT THOSE AS PRESERVOUS SURFACE, EVEN THOUGH IF YOU MAINTAIN THEM CORRECTLY THEY CAN FUNCTION WELL. THE BIGGER ISSUE IS MAINTENANCE, RIGHT. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS DOWN THE LINE THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS STILL HAVING THAT FUNCTION AT THE

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HIGHEST LEVEL. IN TERMS OF HOW OTHER CITIES ARE LOOKING AT THIS, AND AS I MENTIONED, YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD A LOT MORE ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF FROM LIKE ARIZONA OR A CALIFORNIA OR A DRIER CLIMATE AREA, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS THAT KIND OF DECREASED WATER NEED.

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WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OF OUR PEER CITIES IN TERMS OF SIZE, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF BEING KIND OF MORE NORTHERN IN THE UNITED STATES, THERE WASN'T AS MUCH ROBUST LANGUAGE IN THOSE CITIES IN TERMS OF ZONING OR POLICY. MOST TENDED TO TREAT IT SIMILARLY TO HOW WE KIND OF DO TODAY IN TERMS OF BEING I AM

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PRESERVOUS SURFACE. A VERY RECENT EXAMPLE THAT STAFF WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS THE CITY OF DENVER, IN FOLLOWING THE STATE OF COLORADO'S RECENT LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE IS ADOPTING DEFINITIONS FOR FUNCTIONAL LANDSCAPE AREA VERSUS NONFUNCTIONAL LANDSCAPE AREA. THAT IS LOOKING AT BOTH

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ARTIFICIAL R TURF AND NATURAL TURF FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF LIMITING JUST KIND OF GRASS OR GREEN SPACE AS A GROUND COVER. AND INSTEAD KIND OF PUTTING THE FOCUS ON, WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW ARTIFICIAL TURF WHERE IT'S BEING USED FOR AN ATHLETIC FIELD OR A FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE. THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT

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THE CITY LOOKS AT IF, AGAIN, THERE IS AN APPETITE TO TAKE UP THE QUESTION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF. BUT, AGAIN, I WOULD SAY, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IN LOOKING AT THE ZONING CODE, THERE PROBABLY IS SOME ABILITY TO, AIN, ADD A DEFINITION, DAYLIGHT A LITTLE BIT OF THE

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EXISTING PROVISIONS, BUT THERE ARE LARGER CONCERNS WITH KIND OF OPENING PANDORA'S BOX AND ALLOWS THESE ACROSS THE -- AND ALLOWING THESE ACROSS THE CITY. AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE. THIS IS OUR PROJECT TEAM, AS WELL AS I MENTIONED WE DID WORK WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT A LITTLE BIT AND

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MAJOR SHOUT-OUT TO THEM FOR PROVIDING SOME GUIDANCE ON THE MATERIALS. AND, YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> COLLEAGUES, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN.

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>> I DON'T LIKE PLASTIC GRASS. >> THANK YOU. I MEAN, I WAS JUST GOING TO QUICK MAKE A COMMENT MYSELF. I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING INTO IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF ARTIFICIAL TURF EVEN ALLOWED

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AS A FUNCTIONAL USE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AS A CITY IN 2024, THE E.U. PUT A BAN ON CRUMB RUBBER INFILL TURF DUE TO CONCERNS AROUND

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MICROPLASTICS, PFAS, HEAVY METALS AS LAID OUT BY STAFF, AND THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT ARE ORGANIC, LIKE CORK, SAND, OR PARTS OF THE OUTER HUSK OF A

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COCONUT. IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE HAS BEEN A FEW DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT'S COME BEFORE US. BUT I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY AN INTERESTING STARTING POINT FOR THIS CONVERSATION THAT I DO FEEL LIKE WILL COME BACK TO US EVENTUALLY BECAUSE ARTIFICIAL TURF HAS HAD THAT

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TYPE OF WAY OF COMING BACK TO BHZ, OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MEMBERS, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? >> YEAH, JUST, I REMEMBER DEBATING THIS WHILE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA HOUSING AREA.

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DO WE HAVE A CITY POLICY OR ORDINANCE THAT REALLY CLEARS OUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, WHAT'S NOT? YEAH, JUST WANTED TO KNOW DO WE HAVE A CITY ORDINANCE, POLICY THAT REALLY SAYS, YOU

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KNOW, WHERE TO APPLY AND WHO CAN HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF? >> CHAIR OSMAN, I THINK GENERALLY WE DO, RIGHT. SO ARTIFICIAL TURF IS

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PERMITTED AS A -- SIMILARLY TO HOW WE WOULD DO OTHER TYPES OF HARDSCAPING. SO IT'S ALLOWED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THAT. SO AS LONG AS IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED YARD AND IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE IMPRESERVOUS COVERAGE, BUT YOU CAN'T COVER YOUR ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH T. IMPERVIOUS.

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SO I THINK FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, OUR RESEARCH REALLY SUPPORTED THE CURRENT POLICY WITH MAYBE THE EXCEPTION AROUND WHERE IT COULD BE APPLIED IN MORE PRACTICAL SETTINGS, LIKE ATHLETIC FIELDS OR PLAYGROUNDS, IN THOSE KINDS OF ENVIRONMENTS IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE

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PERMISSIVE. BUT I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IS THAT WE WOULD HOLD WITH OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S IT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. I THINK THE LAST ITEM THAT CAME THROUGH WAS WHOLE

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DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND THE UNIQUENESS OF TECHNOLOGY AND HOW THINGS ARE CHANGING NOW AND, YOU KNOW, PLACES THAT THEY CAN APPLY COULD BE A CONVERSATION. SO IT'S KIND OF NICE TO BE

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CLEAR OF WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME THINK ABOUT IT IF THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES TO UPDATE OUR POLICIES BASED ON TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE COMING FORWARD EACH DAY. THAT'S IT. >> YEAH.

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COUNCIL MEMBER WARN. THANK YOU. >> I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU CAN'T COVER YOUR ENTIRE YARD WITH THIS IMPERVIOUS GRASS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EVEN SEEING WORMS COME OUT THE GROUND ANYMORE WHEN IT RAINS.

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WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RAIN, AND I BET YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN WORMS CRAWLING OVER THE SIDEWALK. YOU USED TO HAVE TO SWEEP THE SIDEWALKS TO GET RID OF ALL THE WORMS. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE WORMS?

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AND I THINK THESE IMPERVIOUS TURFS IS THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE GOOD QUALITY WORMS ANYMORE. THIS IS REALLY SAD. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT PEOPLE CAN'T COVER THEIR ENTIRE WHATEVERS WITH THIS, BUT WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO OUR ENVIRONMENT.

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AND JUST GROW REGULAR GRASS. AND DO, LIKE, OLD CROTCH ET CETERAY CANTANKEROUS PEOPLE USED TO DO WHEN WE WERE KIDS BACK IN THE EARLY '80s, TELL PEOPLE TO STAY OFFOUR YARD. THE END. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

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COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER. >> YEAH, I'LL JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE, I KNOW CRUMB RUBBER IS NOT USED AT ALL IN THE PAR SYSTEM ANYMORE. THERE MAY BE SOME LATENT OUTLIERS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY MOVE FORWARD AND MANY OF THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE SAND-FILLED, ELLIOT.

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AND THEN I WOULD SAY, I'M NOT SURE WE AS A CITY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER FIELDS AND PLAYGROUNDS THAT WOULD BE ON PARKLAND. SO THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION JUST FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION. THAT WAS MY ONE COMMENT. THANK YOU.

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>> WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION NOW BECAUSE NOW I'M CURIOUS IF WE HAVE ANY JURISCTION. >>KAY. CPED, I DON'T THINK WE DO BUT MAYBE WE DO. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER, SO THE CITY DOES HAVE ZING AUTHORITY OVER THE PARKS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE IMPERVIOUS

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COVERAGE AND THE MATERIALS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THAT'S VERY USEFUL. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO BE IN QUEUE? COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> I'LL BE QUICK. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE

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SURE THAT WE'RE NOT USING THESE MATERIALS AS OFTEN AS SOME FOLKS DO, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S HEALTH. SO I AT LEAST -- AND THE WORMS. THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN

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MENTIONED. BUT, YEAH, IN GENERAL, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY. I'D LIKE TO KNOW IN THE FUTURE, BASED THAN ON THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH HAS BEEN OUTLINED, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT USING THESE ARTIFICIAL THINGS THAT ARE REALLY IMPACTING

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PEOPLE'S HEALTH. SO, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. >> THANKS. AH, I'LL JUST CLOSE OFF BY SAYING, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE GETS IN QUEUE, I THINK IF WE HAVE PRESERVOUS PAVERS THAT ARE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE SAME THING

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ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TUIVE GRASS, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT MAINTENANCES AND OUR ENFORCEMENT IS VERY LIMITED AND DOING ENFORCEMENT ON TURF GRASS THAT IS NOT WELL MAINTAINED I DON'T THINK IS A VALUABLE USE OF CITY RESOURCES. BUT DEFINITELY MUCH TO THINK ABOU SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE, AND NO FURTHER DISCUSSION,

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I'LL DIRECT THE CLERK TO FILE THAT STAFF REPORT AND PRESENTATION. AND NO FURTHER BUSINESSEFORE US AND WITH NO OBJECTION, I WILL DECLARE THIS MEETING

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ADJOURNED.