##VIDEO ID:YRPrU-8pHE8## >>  GOOD AFTERNOON.  WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CLIMATE & INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE FOR JANUARY 23, 2025.  I'M KATIE CASHMAN, THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE.  BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WANT TO OFFER A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO THESE MEETINGS ARE BROADCAST LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.  THAT INCLUDES REAL TIME CAPTIONING TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS.  ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OFTHES CAN TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST.  THANK YOU.  AND FOR COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMITTEE, WE'LL BUSING SPEAKER MANAGEMENT.  POLITICALLY CORRECT PLEASE LOG IN. 'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. >> COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. >> PRESENT. >> OSMAN. >> PRESENT. >> CHAVEZ. >> PRESENT. >> CHOWDHURY IS ABSENT.  VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> PRESENT. >> CHAIR CASHMAN. >> PRESENT. >> FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE HAVE A QUORUM.  AND WELCOME IN COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO.  THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AS WELL.  SO WE'LL START WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.  WHICH ARE ITEMS 1 THROUGH 19 OPEN THE AGENDA.  AND WE HAVE ONE RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM I'LL MOVE WITH THE CONNT AGENDA.  SO READING THE CONSENT AGENDA OUT HERE.  ITEM ONE IS APPROVING APPOINTMENTS TO CENTRAL AVENUE SPECIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD.  TWO IS APPROVING APPOINTMENTS TO THE UPTOWN SPECIAL SERVICEISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD.  THREE LORI HILL SPECIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.  ITEM FOUR STADIUM VILLAGE.  ITEM FIVE LYNDALE LAKE.  ITEM SIX LINDEN HILLS.  ITEM SEVEN BLOOMINGTON LAKE.  SEVEN BLOOMINGTON LAKE.  EIGHT 50th AND FRANCE.  NINTH 48th.  DINGYTOWN IS 10.  AND ITEM 12 IS DESIGNATING A PROJECT FOR THE FRANKLIN AVENUE CONSTRUCTION.  AND SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MARCH 6th, 2025.  13 IS DESIGNATING THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW NICOLLETAVEG A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 10, 2025.  ITEM 14 IS AUTHORIZING A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE HENNEPIN COUNTY REGIONALRAILROAE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 10th AVENUE SOUTH BRIE OVER THE MIDTOWN GREENWAY.  AND THEN ITEM 15 IS SAME BUT FOR THE PILLSBURY AVENUE BRIDGE OVER MIDTOWN GREENWAY.  ITEM 16 IS THE SAME FOR THE GND AVENUE SOUTH AND 18th AVENUE SOUTH BRIDGES OVER THE MIDTOWN GREENWAY.  ITEM 17 IS AUTHORIZING A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH T LORING GREENWAY ASSOCIATION.  18 IS SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING F FEBRUARY 6 TO CONSIDER THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE AGREEMENT ORDINANCE.  19 IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FEBRUARY 6 FOR THE GAS FRANCHISE AGREEMENT ORDINANCE.  AND 20 IS RECEIVING AND FILING THE 2024 FOURTH QUARTER TRAFFIC ZONES, RESTRICTIONS, AND CONTROLS REPORT ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEMS 1 THROUGH 20?  ALL RIGHT.  SEEING NONE.  I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, INCLUDING RECEIVING AND FILING ITEM NUMBER 20.  ALL THOSE INAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.  OPPOSED SAY NAY.  THE AYES HAVE IT.  THOSE ITEMS ARE FORWARDED   TO THE COUNCIL.  ALL RIGHT.  THE NEXT ITEM IS REVISITING THE BOULEVARD ORDINANCE THAT WE DISCUSSED -- I'M SORRY.  OH.  WELCOME, COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY!  WE JUST GOT THROUGH A CONSENT AGENDA.  SO DO YOU WANT TO ADD YOUR VOTE?  YOU DID VOTE?  OKA  THANK YOU.  SO ITEM -- NEXT ITEM.  REVISITING THE BOULEVARD ORDINANCE.  WE DISCUSSED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.  SO THIS ITEM WAS REFERRED TO STAFF FOR ADDITIONAL WORK.  HERE TO PRESEN THE CHANGES IS DON ELMWOOD FROM PUBLIC WORKS.  WELCOME. >> CHAIR CASHMAN, COMMITTEE.  GOOD AFTERNOON.  THANK YOU.  MY NAME IS DON ELWOOD.  THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY AND DESIGN OF MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC WORKS.  THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS THE ACTION IS TO APPROVE AND ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.  BEFORE I GET INTO MY PRESENTATION, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.  IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING JOURNEY FOR ME AND THE CITY, I THINK.  I WANT TOHANK COUNCILMEMBERS FOR YOUR INPUT.  VERY HELPFUL.  I'D LIKE TO THANK MUIPLE DIVISIONS IN PUBLIC WORKS, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFIC MINNEAPOLIS PARK BOARD, AND THEN A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO JEFF HANDLON AND HOME GROWN MINNEAPOLIS.  IT'S A GREAT TEAM THAT HAS COME TOGETHER TO HELP DEVELOP WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.  ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES WHEN WE FIRST STARTED ON TS JOURNEY WAS TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO USE, IMPROVE, AND BEAUTIFY THE BOULEVARD.  TAKE OWNERSHIP IN THE BOULEVARD.  I ALLOWS FOOD TO BE GROWN AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR ALTERNATIVE GROUND COVER.  SO HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.  BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS TOPIC.  THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED.  AS A RESULT, OR ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING.  THERE WERE A FEW UNKNOWNS.  WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CLARIFICATION OF SHRUBS AND TYPES OF SHRUBS THAT COULD BE ALLOWED INHE BOULEVARD.  WE TALKED ABOUT RAISED PLANTER BEDS.  PERMITS AND PERMIT FEES.  AND A USER GUIDE.  SINCE THATUBLIC HEARING, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MINNEAPOLIS PARK BRD, AND WE ADDED SOME CLARIFICATION TO PARKWAYS AND THE PARKWAY SYSTEM.  OUR CURRENTTATUS NOW IS WE HAVE AMENDED THE WORDING IN THE ORDINANCE ON SHRUBS.   WE'VE REQUIRED A PERMIT FOR RAISED PLANTER BEDS.  AND I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE HAVE PERMITS AND THEN THE PERMIT FEES.  AND THE PERMIT FEES HAVE BEEN WAIVED IN THE GREEN ZONES.  THAS IN COOPERATION WITH THE MINNEAPOLIS ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE LANGUAGE I THE GREEN ZONE.  THEN WE MODIFIED THE LANGUE TO ADDRESS THE MINNEAPOLIS PARK BOARD.  AND WE'VE ALSO CTINUED TO REFINE OUR USER GUIDE.  SO SHRUBS WE ALLOW ALL NONTHORNY SHRUBS AND HEDGES WITHOUT A PERMIT.  NO PERMIT REQUIRED.  WE DO -- WE WILL ENFORCE CLEARANCES AND SITE LINES AND ENFORCE HEIGHT AND HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THE ROADWAYS.  RAISED PLANTER BED CONSIDERATIONS.  DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE RAISED PLANTER BEDS, WE REQUIRE A PERMIT BECAUSE SOME O THESE RAISED PLANTER BEDS, WE NEED TO CONSIDER EMERGENCY SERVICES.  SPECIFICALLY THERE ARE SIGNATED FIRE ZONES IN SOME OF OUR BOULEVARDS.  SPECIFICALLY ON BRYANT AVENUE.  THERE MIGHT BE SOME ON HENNEPIN AVENUE AND THERE COULD BE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THE GRASS BOULEVARD IS A DESIGNATED FIRE ZONE.  AND WE WILL NOT AOW OBSTRUCTIONS IN THOSE AREAS.  THERE'S ALSO CURB SIDE USESHAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER.  THIS COULD BE BUS STOPS OR DISABILITY PARKING OR LOADING ZONES.  AND THEN GENERALLY WINTER OPERATIONS.  WE HAVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT'S RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD, AND SOME BOULEVARDS ARE WIDER THAN OTHERS.  AND SNOW PILES UP.  AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO GOOD WINTER OPERATIONS.  IADP DEMONSTRATE THAT WHERE NOT TO THE PUT A RAISED PLANTER BEDS.  AND SOMETHING LIK THIS INTERFERES WITH OUR FIRE HYDRANT.  AND THESE ARE THINGS WE DON'T WANT  SEE.  IN ADDITION, SOME OF THESE PLANTER BEDS WHETHER THIS ONE IN THE PICTURE IS RAISED OR NOT RAISED, WE DO WANT TO RUIRE SOME CLEAR ZONES.  EITHER ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT CURB OR FROM THE SIDEWALK.  PERMITS ALLOW US TO BE -- MAKE SURE WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC.  IT'S A GOOD COMMUNICATION TOOL.  IT ACTUALLY HELPS US TO HELP THE PUBLIC ON HOW TO PUT IN A RAISED PLANTER BED.  WE CAN GENERATE REPORTS SO WE KNOW WHERE THE PLANTER BEDS ARE.  AND, ALSO IT HELPS TO ASSIGN THE RESPONSIBILITY.  SO A PERMIT IS PART OF OUR REQUIREMENT.  PERMIT FEES.  DURI OUR DISCUSSIONS, THE PERMIT FEE IN THE GREEN ZON ARE ALLOWED TO BE WAIVED.  THIS WAS ON DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.  AND IT'S PART OF THE POLICY SET BY COUNCIL THAT ALLOWS US TO WAIVE THAT FEE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PLANTING IN CONTAMINATED SOILS.  THE FEES ARE WAIVED IN THE GREEN ZONES.  SINCE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THE PARK BOARD BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE PARKWAY SYSTEM ON THIS MAP IS NOTIFIED BY THO GREEN LINES IS ACTUALLY PARK LAND.  SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE PARK BOARD.  SO OUR BOULEVARD ORDINANCE DOES NOT APPLY ON PARK LAND.  SO SOME HOMES ARE ON THE MINNEAPOLIS PARKWAY SYSTEM.  AND AS INDICATED IN GREEN HERE, AND THEY WOU NEED TO TALK WITH THE PARK BOARD OR GET A PERMIT FROM THE PARK BOARD.  I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.  WE HAVE A PMIT APPLICATION PROCESS TO TRY TO MAKE IT SIMPLER.  MY STAFF IS ALWAYS HE TO HELP.  THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.  BUT THIS IS UP ONLINE ON HOW TO GO AND APPLY FOR A PERMIT AND HOW TO START THAT PROCESS TO DO RAISED PLANTER BEDS.  AND BEFORE I GET TO THIS LAST SLIDE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD HAVE COME UP.  PERMITS ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THE RAISED PLANTER BEDS AND WHAT I WOULD CALL ALTERNATIVE GROUND COVER.  THAT COULD BE ROCKS OR LANDSCAPING .  IT COULD BE BRICK PAVERS.  THAT WOULD BE ALTERNATIVE GROUND COVER AND NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT . OU WOULD NOT NEED A PERMIT FOR THESE OTHER THINGS.  PLANTING, SHRUBS, NO PERMIT IS REQUIRED.  DOUBLE-SHREDDED H HARDWOOD, BARK, MULCH, FREE OF DYES.  THAT'S A LOT.  AND OTHER TREATMENT IS ALLOWED TO COVER THE BOULEVARD IN LIMITED AREAS.  LARGER QUANTITIES WOULD NEED A PERMIT.  LARGE QUANTITIES OF MULCHR ALTERNATIVE GROUND COVER LIKE ROCKS AND PAVERS, THAT NEEDS A PERMIT.  WOODCHIPS ARE NOT ALLOWED.  AS IALKED ABOUT, RAISED PLANTER BEDS BY PERMIT.  I LEFT THIS SLIDE IN HERE BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING.  WE HA AN OUTLINE.  GRACE AND JEFF HAVE WORKED ON A USER GUIDE.  THE OUTLINE IS VERY GOOD.  THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS ON HOW TO DO GARDENING IN THE BOULEVARD.  THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION >>  THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.  AND, FIRST, I'M GOING TO CALL ON COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN.  THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME TODAY.  UMM, WHAT STARTED WITH A DESIRE TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE TO BRI SOME EXISTING BOULEVARDS INTO COMPLIANCE HAS TURNED INTO SO MUCH MORE.  AND, REALLY, FOR THE BETTER, IN MY OPINION.  WE HEARD SOME GREAT FEEDBACK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING LATE LAST YEAR.  AND WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS SINCE THEN.  COUNCILMEMBERS CHOWDHURY, JENKINS, AND CHAIR CASHMAN HAVE SIGNED ON TO BE CO-AUTHORS OF THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS A GREAT SHOW OF COLLABORATION IN CREATING SOMETHING THAT, I THINK, MEETS A LOT OF NEEDS.  I THINK OUR FINAL PRODUCT IS A GOOD REFLECTION OF THE INPUT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE AND, ALSO, SOME ORGANIZATIONS.  THISORDINAR PROCESS FOR BOULEVARD GARDENS DESCRIBING ALLOWABLE CONTENT BY RIGHT, AND THEN CONTENT BY PERMIT.  THANK YOU TO THE DIRECTOR AND, ALSO, MR. HANDLON.  THEY'VE HELPED US KEEP SOME IMPORTANT THINGS IN MIND. O ALLOW MORE USE IN OUR PUBLIC RIGHT-OFAY, TO ALLOW MORE TYPES OF VEGETATION AND BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES.  TO HAVE A PERMIT PROCESS TO ALLOW MORE USES AND ENSURE THE SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF THE PUBLIC.  IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE TWO GOALS CAN COEXIST TOGETHER.  SO WE'RE LOOKING A DESIRE TO USE OUR PUBLIC SPACES IN MORE WAYS.  AND FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.  SO THANK YOU.  REVISING THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN AN EFFORT ACROSS ALL OF PUBLIC WORKS.  HOME GROWN MINNEAPOLIS AND THE PARK BOARD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AND I WANT TO THANK THEM, AS WELL, FOR THEIR IDEAS AND THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEIR WORK. >> ALL RIGHT.  THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILMEMBER, FOR OUTLININTHE JOURNEY TO GET HERE AND THE GOALS, AS WELL.  NEXT I'LLOULD ON COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  THANK YOU, DON, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND ALL OF YOUR WORK ON THIS!  THANK YOU, JEFF.  THK YOU HOME GROWN MINNEAPOLIS.  THANK YOU TO OUR GREEN ZONES COUNCILS THAT HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN THIS CONVERSATION.  THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT HE BEEN IN DIALOGUE WITH ME.  I SAW THAT IS ORDINANCE WAS GETTING NOTICED, AND I WANTED TO JUMP ON AS A COAUTHOR BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS THE REAL DESIRE AND NEEDED TO BOTH BEAUTIFY OUR BOULEVARDS AND COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT.  TO GROW FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.  TO FEED COMMUNITY MEMBERS.    ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FOOD JUSTICE AND RESILIENCY IN DIFFERE PARTS OF THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS.  SPECIFICALLY GREEN ZONES ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE.  MINNEAPOLIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE PLACE, I THINK.  WE HAVE A STREAK OF BEING WEIRD IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE!  AND I THINK THIS OPENS UP THE IMAGINATION OF WHAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN DO TOGETHER IN THE NAME OF SUPPORTING COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND EACH OTH.  BUT, ALSO, IN THE NAME OF JUST HAVIN FUN THINGS FOR US TO DO.  I REALLY APPRECIATED THE JOURNEY WE HAVE WALKED ON ON THIS.  REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE AROUND ALLOWING FOR FRT BUSHES AND SHRUBS.  I KNOW THAT WAS A MAJOR ASK FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.  I THINK IT'S A GREAT STRIDE IN EQUITY TO SAY THAT WE'RE WAIVING ALL PERMIT FEES FOR THE GREEN ZONES.  I KNOW THOSE EQUITY CONVERSATIONS ARE ONGOING.  I KNOW THERE IS DIFFERENCES UP HERE ON WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AEQUIRED PERMIT.  FOR ME, I SAT WITH IT.  I THINK IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE ALLOW FOR THIS NEW USE FOR OUR CY TO ACTUALLY WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVYTHING THEY'RE DOING IS SUPPORTED, AND IN COMPLIANCE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CITY DOING AN INSPECTION AND SAYING "NOPE.  THIS ISN'T ADEQUATE.  NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT YOUR RAISED BED." AND THINK THERE'S MORE W WE CAN DO.  THIS IS MY ASK AND CALL TO THE DEPARTMENT IN THE IMAGINATION OF THIS ORDINANCE.  AND IN THE NAME OF EQUITY.  I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITY AND PARTNERSHIPS WHERE WE CAN HAVE DAYS IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE ARE PERMITTING ON SITE IN THE GREEN ZONES.  AND MAKING IT SUPER ASSESSABLE FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.  TO GET THE PERMITS AND GETTING TO WOR  I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW WE CAN POTENTIALLY GET SOME BUDGET AMENDMENTS THROUGH WHERE THE CITYS PROVIDING THE RAISED BED SO COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THE GREEN ZONES AND LOWER-INCOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN PARTICIPATE AND THEY DON'T HAVE BARRIERSES TO COST AND GARDEN AND FEED THEIR COMMUNITIES AND BE A PART OF THIS.  I APPRECIATE IT.  I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO FOR BEING THE INITIAL AUTHOR AND HAVING ME JOIN ON.  AND CHAIR CASHMAN FOR CONVENING SOME OFUR CONVERSATIONS.  I'M EXCITED TO VOTE FOR THIS TODAY >>  GREAT.  THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILMEMBER.  AND, YES, I'LL ASK THE CLERKS TO FORMALLY ADD ME AS A COAUTHOR ON THIS ITEM.  AND HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.  WHAT EXTENT -- WHAT KINDS OF QUESTIONS WILL THE PERMIT ASK.  I ASK TO MAKE AS SILE AND ASSESSABLE AS POSS POSSIBLE-HOW TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. >> I MAY NOT HAVE ALL BUT IT'S MODELED AFTER THE ENCROACHMENT.  WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TRE ARE CLEAR ZONES.  AND IF YOU'D LIKE MORE DETAILS, OER THAN THAT, I CAN ASK JEFF TO COME UP, IF HE'S READY T PROVIDE MORE THOROUGH ANSWER, IF THAT'S OKAY. >> SURE. >>  JEFF FROM THE TRANSPORTATION VISION OF PUBLIC WORKS.  WHEN PEOPLE APPLY FOR A PERMIT FOR A RAISED BED, THAT WILL BE A RIGHT-OF-WAY ENCROACHMENT PERMIT.  AND THERE'S A FORM ONLINE THAT DESCRIBES HOW TO APPLY.  AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO MAKE A VIDEO THAT MAKES IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.  AS FAR AS WHAT INFORMATION YOU NEED TO PROVIDE.  YOU NEED TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, YOUR NAME, YOUR PROPERTY ADDRESS, I THINK WHAT WARD YOU'RE IN, IS ON THERE.  AND MAYBE THE KEY TO WHAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED YOU NEED TO PROVIDE A PLAN OR AT LEA SOME KIND OF SKETCH TO SHOW WHAT IT IS THE CONFIGURATION OF WHAT IT IS YOU PROPOSE TO INSTALL. >> OKAY.  THAT SOUS PRETTY SIMPLE.  GLAD TO HEAR IT'S NOT ASKING TOO MUCH PERSONAL INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, OR SCARRING PEOPLE O -- SCARING PEOPLE OFF FROM WANTING TO PUT THEIR INFORMATION OUT THERE.  AND THEN, IS THAT AVAILABLE IN OTHER LANGUAGES, AS WELL? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, SO HOME GROWN MINNEAPOLIS AND I ARE FINISHING UP COMPLETING THE BOULEVARD GARDENING GUIDELINES.  AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT NEAR COMPLETE, WE'RE GOING TO BE COORDINATING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND GET THEIR INPUT ON WHAT LANGUAGES THEY THINK WOULD HELP FOR THIS.  AND WITH SOME TRANSLATIONS A FORMATS. >> OKAY.  THANKS.  THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR!  AND THEN I WAS -- YEAH.  I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE SLU SHRUB  I KNOW THAT WAS RAISED.  AND PLANTER BEDS REQUIRE A PERMIT BUT PERMIT FEES ARE WAIVED IN THE GREEN ZONES.  DO YOU HAVE A COST READY FOR WHAT THE PERMIT WILL COST FOR A RAISED BED NOT IN THE GREEN ZONES? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, $50. >> OKAY.  AND THAT'S KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL? >>  RESIDENTIAL IS $50.  NONRESIDENTIAL IS $75. >> NONRESIDENTIAL IS $75.  AND FOR A RENTER, DOES THAT -- IF THEIR HOUSING IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S TECHNICALLY COMMERCIAL.  HOW DOES THAT APPLY? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, THAT GOES OFF OF THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.  SO THE USE OF, LIKE, AN APARTMENT BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL. >> GOT IT.  OKAY.  THANK YOU.  AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ORDINANCE.  BUT YOU KNOW THAT MY POSITION IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE WAIVING PERMITS CITY WIDE TO MAKE THIS AS ASSESSABLE AS POSSIBLE.  SO I'M HOPING THAT AFTER A SEASON OF THIS, WE CAN LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, EVALUATE HOW MANY PEOPLE DID APPLY FOR PERMITS AND FROM WHERE AND HOW MUCH IT COSTS FROM A STAFF LEVEL TO DO THAT WORK OF, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT.  AND SEE IF WE CAN SUBSIDIZE THAT THROUGH THE CLIMATE LEGACY INITIATIVE FUNDING, AS WELL.  SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT WORK OR IF YOU HAVE LOOKED NTO IT AT ALL WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR THE ATTORNEYS SINCE WE LAST SPOKE. >> CHAIR CASHMAN, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.  THERE'S MANY PIECES T THAT QUESTION.  THE EASY ANSWER IS, QUESTION, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.  YES, WE INTEND TO TRACK WHERE THE PERMITS ARE.  I'LL UNDERSTAND THE COST TO ADMINISTER.  I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS IN THE THOUSANDS OF MILES OF BOULEVARD THAT EXIST IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS.  SO IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER.  AS FAR AS A CLIMATE LEGACY MONEY, I HAVE NOT TRACKED THAT DOWN, AT THIS POINT, FOR AN ANSWER.  BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION THAT I'M OPEN TO. >> OKAY.  WELL, THANK YOU.  I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MOVE THIS ORDINANCE THROUGH AND THEN FLOW UP ON BUDGETARY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE GARDENING AND THE PERMITS AS ASSESSABLE CITY WIDE.  AS POSSIBLE.  SO I'LL CALL ON RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN.  I JUST -- THE CONRSATION JUST REMINDED ME OF A QUESTION OR A THOUGHT I HAD.  ARE WE, AS A DEPARTMENT AND AS A CITY, GOING TO MAKE CONSIDERATIONS AROUND A IDING SCALE OR WAIVER FOR LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS THAT CAN PROVE THAT?  JUST SO THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE $50 PERMIT FEE COULD POTENTIALLY GET A WAIVER SO THEY CAN DO RAISED BED PLANTINGS ON THE BOEVARD?? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY.  THAT'S A PRIMARILY A POLICYEVEL DISCUSSION.  AS TO HOW WE CHARGE FEES ACROSS THE CITY.  I'M UNAB  UNABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> OKAY.  THANK YOU.  I WOULD LOVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION.  WITH ANYONE THAT IS ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTIONND HELP US THINK THROUGH AS WE ROLL OUT THIS PROAM. >>  OKAY.  WE CAN NOTE THAT FOR FOLLOW UP, AS WELL.  KENDALL, IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO NOTE IT DOWN AND HE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS AND WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE THERE.  AND NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANKOU, CHAIR CASHMAN.  OKAY, SO, IN THE ORDINANCE IT'S BASICALLY SAYING RAISED PLANTERS, RAISED BEDS, ALL OF THEM WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT, CORRECT? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ.  THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY.  AND THEN THE PERMIT FEES WOULD BE WAIVEDUST IN THE GREEN ZONES.  CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT HOW THAT DECISION WAS M MADE. >> CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ.  I NEED TO LOOK AT MY NOTES.  ONE SECOND.  FOR THE GREEN ZONES, THE CITY COUNCIL MADE SPECIFIC FINDINGS IN DESIGNATING THESE ZONES, INCLUDING POLLUTION CONTAMINATION AND WAIVING THE FEES IN THOSE AREAS ARE REASONABLE, RELATED TO THOSE FINDINGS.  AND WOULD SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE. >> OKAY. >>  SORRY.  I APOLOGIZE. >> GO AHEAD. >> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE SAYING IT ARE IF THE GREEN ZONE INSTEAD OF FOR THE ENTIRE SI CITY.  I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY W WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THIS.  IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE ADDING MORE WORK FOR STAFF TO DO.  IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY.  AND THEN ONLY SOME LOCATIONS IN THE CITY WILL GET THE FEE WAIVED.  I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR, I WOULD N SUPPORT USING CLI FUNDING TO ADDRESS THE FEE.  BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, AT THAT POINT, WE CAN USE CLI FUNDING TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH.  WE SHOULDN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT.  IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.  SO I AM STRUGGLING TO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE TODAY.  I'LL BE ABSTAINING AND WOULD WORK WITH SOME OFY COLLEAGUES WHO WANT TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE AT THE FULL COUNCIL MEETING.  SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHERE I STAND ON THE ORDINANCE TODAY  I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS BEEN DOING.  AND THE WORK YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ORDINANCE FOR AWHILE.  BUT I DO AND HAVE HEARD SOME CONCERNSFROE GREEN ZONES ABOUT THE THAT THIS DINANCE COULD BE A HINDRANCE TO SOME OF THE WORK THEY'RE DOING ON TOP OF CREATING EQUITABLE ACCESS TO THIS.  SO I WANT TO AT LEAST PUT IT OUT THERE.  AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR BEFORE THURSDAY THE RACE EQUITY ANALYSIS THAT STAFF PREPARED.  I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE FROM THE HEALTH DEMOCRAT DEPARTMENT AND THE HOME GROWN TEAM.  I FEEL THIS HAS BEEN LEAD FROM A PUBLIC WORKS LENS AND LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE FOLKS ON THE GROUND DOING THE WOR  PARTICULARLY THE STAFF FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND OPINIONS ON THIS.  I FEEL LIKE IT HAS BEEN MISSINGHROUGH THE PROCESS.  AND THEN WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE RACE EQUITY ANALYSIS, THE GOALS, THE PLANS, THE PERMIT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, HO STAFF IS GOING TO REACH OUT TO FOLKS ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO APPLY, WHAT THEY'RE THINKING OF.  I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME MISSING COMPONENTS IN WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.  AND I'D LOVE TO DIVE DEEPER INTO THAT.  I WANTED TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.  I'M GOING TO FORMALLY MOVE THIS FOR APPROVAL.  AND ASK IF THERE'S A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> OKAY.  THANKS.  I SEE THAT.  THANKS.  AND THEN I'LL CALL ON COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  UMM, I'M HAPPY AND WILLING TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE SLIDING SCALE FEES FOR A PERMIT LIKE THIS.  BUT -- SO I JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING ON TOGETHER.  FOR ONE, FRO WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT ALREADY AND LEGALLY, WOU REQUIRE A WHOLE PROGRAM TO BE ESTABLISHED AND THEN FOR THERE TO BE REIMBURSEMENT.  RIGHT.  IT'S NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHO HP RESIDENTS ESTABLISH THINGS LIKE SECURITY CAMERAS ON THEIR HOUSE AND THEN GET REIMBURSED .  BUT THEY CAN'T PAY FOR IT OUTRIGHT.  THIS ULD BE A PROGRAM THAT COULD BE ESTABLISHED, BUT POTENTIALLY REQUIRE REIMBURSEMENT FROM SOMEWHERE.  BUT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COST TO THIS PROGRAM.  FOR ANOTHER, IT IS A COST, AND THIS WAS SOMETHINGE CAREFULLY WEIGHED, IT'S A COST TO THE ENTIRE CITY IF, FOR EXAMPLE, A RESIDENT IN MY WARD OR COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN OR A RESIDENT IN YOUR WARD, WANTS TO BEAUTIFY THEIR BLEVARD GARDEN AND HAVE EXTRA AMENITIES IN IT.  THAT'S NOT A COST THAT I THINK TAXPAYERS AS A WHOLE SHOULD BEAR.  AND IF WE HAVE ON THE APPLICATION THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY SOMEBODY MAKES OR WHAT THEIR INCOME IS AND HOW MANY DEPENDENTS THEY HAVE, THAT GOES IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH, LET'S JUST MAKE THIS SIMPLE AND EASY AND REQUIRE AS LITTLE INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.  SO THOSE AREOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE HERE.  BUT ABSOLUTELY C INCLUDE MORE DISCUSSION.  I ALSO THINK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASCIATIONS MIGHT BE HAPPY TO STEP UP AND HELP REIMBURSE FROM SOME OF THEIR MONEY ALLOCATIONS FROM THE CITY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.  I AGREE THAT DOING MEANS TESTING TO ESTABLISH THE RATE IS AN EXTRA LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY AND WORK.  AND I WOULD -- THAT'S WHY I WOULD PREFER IT'S UNIVERSAL FEES BEING WAIVED.  SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASSESS WHETHER IT'S IN THE GREEN ZONE OR WHETHER THEY'RE UND A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL OR DIFFERENT LAYERS IN ORDER TO WAIVE $50.  I WOULD PREFER THAT WE JUST WAIVE THE $50 CITY WIDE AND EAT THAT COST.  BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BENEFIT OF OUR CLIMATE GOALS TO HAVE OUR BOULEVARDS BE GREEN AND THRIVING.  AND PRODUCTIVE!  AND USEFUL.  SO I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, BUT I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE MOVING THIS FORWARD TODAY.  AND JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE STAFF FOR THEIR WORK AND FOR ALL THE COLLEAGUES WHO HAVENGAGED.  SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE US ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE, WE CAN HAVE THE CLERKS CALL A ROLL. >> COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. >> AYE >> OSMAN. >> AYE. >> CHAVEZ. >> ABSTAIN. >> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> AYE. >> CHAIR CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE FIVE AYES AND ONE ABSTENTION. >> OKAY.  THANK YOU.  THAT MOTION CARRIES.  OUR NEXT -- OR FINAL ITEM TODAY IS REVISITING THE GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE CONCEPT LAYOUT, WHICH WAS CONTINUED FROM LAST MEETING.  AND FIRST WE HAVE AN UPDATE FROM STAFF ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SURVEY RESULTS.  AND HERE TO PRESENT, I SEE JEN SWANSON FROM PUBLIC WORKS. >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, IT'S GOING TO BE NATHAN COSTER PRESENTING TODAY. >> GREAT.  WELCOME, NATHAN.  >>  MY NAME IS NATHAN COSTER, TRANSPORTION PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING DIVISION.  I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM FOR THE UPDATE ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SURVEY RESULTS FOR THE 38th AND CHICAGO, GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE PROJECT.  TODAY I'LL BE COVERING A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE WORK IN THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY, AS WELL AS REVIEW OF THE CONCEPT LAYOUT WORK TO DATE TO GROUND PEOPLE WHERE WE'VE BEEN AT.  AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE PED MALL SURVEY THATPUBLO REMINDER OF WHERE WE'VE COME FROM.  PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN LEADING THE 38th AND CHICAGO REENVISION PROJECT, WHICH IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SEETS OF 38th FROM PARK TO 10th AND CHICAGO AVENUE FROM 37th TO 39th STREET.  THIS HAS BEEN NESTEDITHIN THE BROADER ENTERPRISE WORK WITH THE VISIONING ANDRIORITIES PROJECT THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2024.  PREDATED BY YEA OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY SPECIFIC TO THE REENVISION PROJECT.  WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A RECENT LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF THIS WORK.  JUST TO GROUND BOTH THE COMMITTEE, STAFF, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS.  BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIONS ON THIS AND A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.  SO LOOKING BACK TO NOVEMBER, ON THE 12th, THE CITY, BOTH THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND ALL OF THE DIVISIONS DEPARTMENTS WORKING ON THIS WORK PROVIDED AN UPDATE ON THE VISION AND PRIORITY REPORT.  PUBLIC WORKS THEN BROUGHT FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CONCEPT LAYOUT FOR THE STREETS, WHICH INCLUDED THE CONCEPT LAYOUT APPROVAL AND EASEMENTS.  THAT WAS FORWARDED TO FULL CI COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 5th, WIOUT RECOMMENDATION.  AT FULL COUNCIL, COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION RELATED TOHE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA, RACIAL JUSTICE, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REFERRED THE CONCEPT LAYOUT BACK TO THE CLIMATE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 9TH.  I'M NOWEALIZING THERE'S A TYPO.  IT'S 2025.  I FEEL LIKE WE GET A FREEBIE FOR THE FIRST MONTH HERE!  JANUARY 9th, WE POSTPONED THAT ACTION.  AND WE'RE COMING BACK HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SURVEY RESULTS.  TO PROVIDE A GROUNDING, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTOR OF TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT LAYOUTS.  WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A SLIDE SPECIFIC TO THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT.  I'M GOING TO BE REFERENCING THE 3700 BLOCK OF CHAGO AVENUE.  A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE PRESENTATION.  I'LL CLARIFYHE 3700 BLOCK IS FROM EAST 3 37thTREET TO EAST 38th STREET ALONG CHICAGO AVENUE.  IN NOVEMBER, PUBLIC WORKS MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FLEXIBLE OPE AND THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE CONVERSATION, AS WELL, FOR THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA.  ONE THING WE THOUGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL CLARIFYING IS WHAT A CONCEPT LOUT REPRESENTS.  THE CONCEPT LAYOUT REPRESENTS A BASIC 2-DIMENSIONAL DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE USES AND ALLOCATIONS OF SPACE OF THE STREET DESIGN.  WE D PRELIMINARY REVIEWS FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE TO UNDERSTAND OPERATIONAL, MAINTENANCE NEEDS FOR THE STREET.  BUT THESE DO N REFLECT FINAL ENGINEERING.  THEY'RE PRIMARILY 2-DIMENSIONAL DRAWINGS.  WE CAN COMMUNICATE WHAT THE COMMUNITY CAN EXPECT WHEN WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THE LAYOUTS FOR APPROVAL.  S WE WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE FLEXIBLE OPEN THAT WAS RECOMMENDED.  THE FLEXIBLE-OPEN CONCEPT WOULD ALLOW FOR FULL VEHICULAR AND TRANSIT ACCESS TO RETURN TO THE BLOCK.  BUT REALLY FOCUSING ON MAKING SURE THIS WOULD BE A SPACE THAT DOES AOW FOR REGULAR FREQUENT CLOSURES AND WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE COMMUNITY TO FIND THOSE AND SET THOSE UP.  NOW THE REASON WHY I PUT THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA ADJACENT TO THAT.  YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE DESIGN.  ALMOST ALL, SAVE FOR THE LAST 100 FEET BETWEEN THE ALLEY, ADJACENT TO THE 3744 PEOPLE'S WAY PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS, AND THE INTERSECTION.  THAT'S THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE.  AND THEN CALLING OUT IN THE THIRD GRAPHIC TO THE RIGHT, WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A PRELIMINARY CONCEPT LAYOUT PERSPTIVE.  WE'RE REALLY HIGHLIGHTING THAT BOX IN RED THAT SHOWS TRE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY, IF WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO GO FORWARD IN FINAL ENGINEERING TO REALLY ADJUST WITH THOSE LIMITS WOULD BE.  AND THAT WOUL BE SPECIFIC TO WHAT IS CALLED THE RAISED INTERSECTION.  THE RAISED INTERSECTION WOULD BE AT LEVEL WITH THE SIDEWALK.  AND UNT WE GET INTO FINAL ENGINEERING, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHAT THE LIMITS COULD BE.  IN ACTUALITY, THE LIMITS OF THAT RAISED INTERSECTION COULDOOK VERY CLOSE AND VERY SIMILAR TO THE EXTENT OFHE PEDESTRIAN PLEASANT DISA.  -- PLAZA.  IT WOULD ALLOW FOR CONTINUED FLEXIBILITY AND ALLOWING, AT A FUTURE TIME, IF THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA WANTS TO BE ESTABLISHED.  WOULD NOT PRECLUDE THAT OPTION IN THE FUTURE.  SIMILARLY WE SHOWED POTENTIAL GATE LOCATIONS.  THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN FINALIZED AND AS I SHARED PREVIOUSLY IN THE PRESENTATIONS, THOSE ARE SOMETHING WE WANT TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY ON IDENTIFYING BOTH WHAT THOSE COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THE LOCATION AND OPERATIONS.  ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM JUST CLARIING IS MUCH LIKE ALL OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS.  WHEN WE LOOK AT CONCEPT LAYOUTS,E'RE LOOKING AT OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE, AND FEASILITY.  WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING WITH OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM, INCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.  IF AND WHEN WE ADVANCE A DESIGN, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK ATOW THESE SPACES CAN BE ACCOMMODATING AND SERVING THOSE VEHICLES.  THI WAS BROUGHT UP SIMILARLY IN THE LAST PRESENTATION.  WITH OUR BOULEVARD ORDANCE WE DISCUSSED.  SIMILARLY, WE'RE MAKING SURE WE WORK WITH THE PARTNERS IN THE CITY ENTERPRISE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DESIGNING SPACES THAT ALLOW FOR ACCESS.  WHETHER IT'S FOR FIRE, EMERGENCY THROUGH THAT SPACE.  PREVIOUSLY TO OTHER PRESENTATIONS I'VE SHARED ON OF THE TOPIC.  IS ENFORCING THE IDEA OF CREATING THESE FLEXIBLE SPACES.  SO THEY CAN BE ACCOMMODATING TO REGULAR OCCURRING CLOSURES TO ALLOW FOR THE LARGER EVENTS AND GATHERINGS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE APPROVED CONCEPT LAYOUT THAT WAS TO MOVE FORWARD.  THESE ARE JUST A FEW REPRESENTED EXAMPLES WE HAVE SOME LOCALLY.  WHETHER IT'S HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS OR THROUGHOUT TH.  THESE ARE JUST IDEAS.  AND IDEAS THAT WE WOULD BE EXCITEDT, COUNCIL, WHAT HAVE YOU, TORY TO MAKE THIS A REALITY.  SO SINCE WE LAST MET IN DECEMBER, PUBLPUBLIC WORKS HAVE WORKED TO PROACTIVELY DEVELOP A PRELIMINARY SURVEY TO START GAUGING INTEREST IN A P.E.D. MALL.  WE DID IT PRACTICALLY UNDERSTANDING THE EXISTING PARAMETERS OF THE STATE STATUTE AS IT REFERS -- AS IT RELATES TO THE PEDESTRIAN MALL.  THIS WAS A PROACTIVE STEP TO START TO UNDERSTAND ANY POTENTIAL PROTEST FROM A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNERS, IF A PEDESTRIAN MALL WAS TO BE ADVANCED.  SO THE PROCESS THAT WE TOOK ON THIS 3700 BLOCK FOR L PROPERTY OWNERS, BETWEEN 37th AND 38th WAS TO START IDENTIFYING A LIST OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IDENTIFY E-MAILS, PHONE NUMBERS, ANY FORMS OF CONTACT.  THAT EVEN REQUIREDOING OUT AND INDIVIDUALLY DOOR KNOCKING, WORD OF H MOWT, HOW TO GET AHOLD OF EVERYONE.  WE TRIED TO TAKE AS THOROUGH PROCESS AWE COULD.  WE STARTED WITH MAKING SURE WE HAD ONE-ON ONE CONVERSATIONS.  E WHERE THE PROJECT IS AND WHERE WE'VE BEEN AT THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY, AND PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF INPUT.  SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYTHING IS AT.  AND IF THERE'S OTHER PERSPECTIVES THEY WOULD LIKE TO ARE ABOUT THINGS THEY LIKE, THEY DON'T LIKE.  THAT WE HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION BEFORE JUST SENDING OUT A LETTER.  THAT WAS OUR PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE WE HAD GOOD, OPEN FORMS OF COMMUNICATION WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS ALONG THIS BLOCK.  AS A PART OF THE SURVEY,E DEVELOPED TWO OPTIONS.  OPTION A WAS THE CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH REPRESENT THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA THAT WAS DISCUSSED.  AND BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO ALL THE EFFORT OF ENGAGING AND MAKING SURE WE WERE TALKING WITH EVERYONE.  WE WANTED TO HAVE OUR BASES COVERED IN THE EVENT THAT THE DESIRED CHANGE ALONG THE BLOCK AND ADDING AECOND OPTION, OPTION B, WHICH WOULD IN INCLUDE A FULL CLOSURE, 37 TO 38th ALONG THAT BLOCK.  THIS WAS SOMETHING DISCUSSED DURING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.  SINCE WE'RE GOING TO ALL THE WORK TO CONNECT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.  WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST  HAVE OUR BASES COVERED.  SO THE SURVE OVERVIEW AND RESULTS.  AS I SAID, THIS FOCUSED ON THE 3700 BLOCK OF CHICAGO AVENUE.  ON THIS BLOCK, THERE ARE TOTAL OF 22 PROPERTIES, 20 WHICH ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, AND TWO OF WHICH ARE CITY OWNED.  CITY OWNS THE 3 700 PROPERTY.  A PUBLIC WORKS PROPERTY RELATED TO THE ORMWATER POND.  CEMETERY AS REFERRED TO THE COMMUNITY.  AND THE 3744 PROPERTY THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A LOT, WHICH IS THE CPED -OWNED PROPERTY.  PEOPLE'S WAY SITE THE RFQ WITH COMMUNITY.  A COMMUNITY-CENTERED OWNER.  STAFF REACHED OUT TO ALL NONCITY PROPERTIES TO CONDUCT THIS SURVEY.  ON BOTH OF THE OPTIONS.  SO FAR WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT ALL BUT ONE OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES.  THERE'S ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET AHOLD OF.  WE HAVE DONE DOOR KNOCKING.  OF THE 20, WE'RE ABLE TO GET RESPONSES FROM 15 OF THE 20.  OF THE REMAINING FIVE, IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS.  BECAUSE ONE PROPERTY -- OR ONE OWNER HAS TWO ADJACENT LOTS.  SO WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS ON THAT OUTREACH.  GIVEN THAT THE SURVEY WAS DEVELOPED AND STARTED TO BE DEPLOYED AT THE END OF THE YEAR.  BETWEEN HOLIDAY SEASONS.  BUT BETWEEN ESTABLISHING GOOD RELATIONSHIPS AND BEING VERY DILIGENT IN COMMUNICATION, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE GOOD PROGRESS ON THAT IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY AND BE ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PASSED.  TO DATE, ON THE RESPONS, ON OPTION A, THE CUL-DE-SAC,00% 100% OF THE NONCITY PROPERTIES NEAR THE CUL--SAC WOULD NOT SUPPORT OPTION B.  THE FULL.  100% OFALD NOT SUPPORT.  AND WE'VE DONE THIS THROUGH A LOT OF ONE-ON ONE CONVERSATIONS.  AS I SAID, THE PRIORITY WAS HAVE SIT-DOWN CONVERSATIONS AND HAVE AN OPEN CONVERSATION AND BE ABLE TO TALR FEEDBACK, AND, REALLY, ANYTHING THEY HAD TO DCUSS WITH THE PROJECT AND REALLY BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.  OF THAT, ALL OF THOSE WERE IN-PERSON, EXCEPT FOR TWO.  WE HAD ONE VIRTUAL MEETING AND ONE MEETING BY PHONE CALL.  JUST IT'S BEEN A LOT TO JUGGLE EVERYONE'S SCHEDULES THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS.SO TODAY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD SHARE THAT AND BE ABLE TO STANDBY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.  THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE.  I PREPARED THE INFORMATION WE HAD TO DATE.  THAT INCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION AND HAPPY TO STANDBY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, NATHAN, FOR THE PRESENTATION.  I WILL, YOU KNOW, WAIT FOR -- OTHERS TO GET INTO SPEAKER MANAGEMENT INTO THE QUEUE.  I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.  FIRST OF ALL YOU KNOW, AS YOU WERE PRESENTING IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THE THREE OPTIONS YOU LOOKED AT.  TH PEDESTRIAN MALL, THE PED PLAZA, THE TRANSIT MALL, AND THEN THE OPEN CONCEPT.  AS YOU WERE DOING THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA CONCEPT, DID YOU DO THIS TYPE OF SURVEY?  >> WE DID NOT DO THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF SURY. >> OKAY.  AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS AND LOOKING INTO THE STATE STATUTE AROUND DEVELOPING A PEDESTRIAN MALL ORDINANCE, WE'VE LEARNED THAT CERTAIN LEGAL FINDINGS NEED TO BE MADE.  INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, ACCESS FOR ALTERNATIVE ROUTESOR PRIVATE VEHICLES AND ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND OTHER THINGS.  LAST YEAR, DID YOU MAKE ANY EFFORTS TO, LIKE, ESTABLISH THOSE FINDINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR DPL COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE STATUTE? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, WHILE WE DID NOT MAKE A SPECIFIC REPORT THAT WOULD ESTABLISH AN ORDINANCE AS LAID OUT BY THE STATE STATUTE, A NUMBER OF THESE THINGS ARE REGULAR ELEMENTS AS WE DO PROJECT DEVELOPMENT.  AS WE'VE SAID, REASONABLE, SUITABLE ACCESS.  I ALREADY MENTIONED WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.  LIKE WE DO ON ALL PROJECTS.  SO MANY OF THESE FINDINGS WERE QUESTIONS AND TECHNICAL ITEMS THAT WE DID ADVANCE TO STAFF.  BUT WE DID NOT MAKE A SPECIFIC REPORT AS PRESCRIPTIVELY LAID OUT IN THE STATE STATUTE.  B MANY OF THESE TASKS, AS I SAID, ARE THINGS WE DO WITH EVERY PROJECT WE BRING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD FEASIBLE PROJECTS THAT CAN BE OWNED, OPERATED, MAINTAINED, AND SERVE THE PUBLIC. >> OKAY.  SO THE LEGAL FINDINGS FOR A STATE STATUTE ON PEDESTRIAN MALL ORDINANCES ARE LARGELY DONE AND COMPLIANT. >> CHAIR CASHMAN, WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED A SPECIFIC FINDINGS REPORT.  THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TAKE AWAY.  INDIVIDUALLY THESE ARE TASKS WE DO COMPLETE AS A PART OF PROJECT.  BUT WE DID NOT PRESCRIPTIVELY MAKE A FINDINGS REPORT.  AS LAID OUT HAD IN THE ITEMS 1 THROUGH 6 THAT I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN THE STATE STATUTE.  I DON'TANT TO CONFLATE THE TWO QUESTIONS.   THOSE ARE TASKS WE COMPLETED BUT NOT SPECIFIC LAID OUT THAT WOULD BE READY TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL TODAY. >> OKAY.  GOT IT.  AND SO I KNOW LAST YEAR, YOU SAID WE HAD -- AS YOU WERE DEVELOPING THOSE THREE CONCEPTS THAT YOU HAD DEEMED THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA OPTION TO BE NOT FEASIBLE, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE WORD YOU USED.  CAN YOUESCRIBE -- WITHOUT HAVING DONE THE OUTREACH OF PROPERTY OWNERS HOW YOU DEEMED IT NOT FEASIBLE LAST YEAR.  I APPRECIATE YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WORDING.  WE DID NOT USE THE WORD "NOT FEASIBLE."  IF WE THINK BACK TO THE VISION ANDRIORITIES REPORT.  WE HAD A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY PRIORITIES THAT WE TIED TOGETHER FOR THERTS MEMORIALS, THE PEOPLES' WAY SITE, AND THE STREET TO HAVE A COHESIVE VISION THAT REFLECTED A LOT OF PRIORITY IIES THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE.  AND I BELIEVE THERE'S SIX-STREET SPECIFIC DESIGNS THAT WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT.  AS WE ADVANCE ALL PROJECTS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE, TYPES OF PROJECTS WITH WE'RE LOOKING AT GOALS OF THE PROJECT, WHAT ARE OUR PLANS AND POLICIES SAY.  AND HOW ARE WE DOING THE TECHNICAL AND LEGAL WORK.  AND WE'RE BALANCING ALL OF THOSE THINGS.  INTERNALLY, WE CALL IT THE THREE-LEGGED STOOL HOW WE'RE ADVANCING WORK.  WHEN WE PRESENTED THOSE, WE'RE IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS.  WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY TELLING US?  AND HOW DO WE WEIGH THAT?  ANDHEN BE ABLE TO TRANSPARENTLY POINT TO EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS TO SAY "HERE'S, LIKE, WHAT WORKS OR DOESN'T WORK." WE HAVE NEVER COME BACK AND REPORTED 100% "THIS IS NOT FEASIBLE" BUT GIVE ALL THE WORK WE PRESENT TO DATE, THAT IS WHERE WE FELT CONFIDENT IN MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION.  AND BRISKING IT FORWARD FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDE  THANK YOU.  I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEYING YOU'VE DONE HERE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.  I THINK IT'LL BE MY LAST QUESTION.  IT'S ON THE DESIGN.  ONE SLIDE BACK.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE BUSES WOULD NAVIGATE AROUND HERE.  I'M FEELING A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR A BRT BUS TO EVEN GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. >>  THAT'S A GOODUESTION.  AND ONE THING I WANT TO CLARIFY IS WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS AT METRO TRANSIT AND THE D-LINE HAD BEEN LONG PLANNED FOR YEARS.  LINING UP STATE FUNDING AND FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT.  WHEN GEORGE FLOYD WAS MURDERED, WE TOOK HARD PAUSE WITH METRO TRANSIT AND THEY'VE BEEN OUR PARTNERS THROUGHOUT TT.  AND IDENTIFYING IF, HOW, WHEN TRANSIT WOULD RETURN.  TRANSIT ON CHICAGO AVENUE, BOTH THE ROUTE 5 AND NOW THE OPERATING D-LINE, OPERATE ON DETOURS.  SO NORTHBOUND BUSES GO TO 3h AND GO OVER TO PARK AND AROUND.  SIMILARLYOUTHBOUND AVOIDS THE AREA.  SO WHILE IT WAS PLANNED, ALL OF THAT WAS PUT ON PAUSE.  AND WOULD ALIGN WITH THE PROCESS.  AND WHATEVERHE OUTCOMES OF THE PROCESS WAS, WE HAVE SUPPORTIVE AND COLLABORATE PARTNERS THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH US.  THAT'S THE HISTORY.  AS IT RELATES TO TRANSIT SERVICE, TRANSIT SERVICE WOD RETURN UNDER THE FLEXIBLE OPEN OPTION.  BOTH THE ROUTE FIVE LOCAL SVICE AND THE D-LINE.  ONE OF THE KEY ASPECTS IS FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND ALL THE ARTS AND MEMORIALS IS IMPERATIVE IN ONE OF THE BIGGEST PRIORITIES OF THE PROJECT.  WE STARTED FROM A PLACE OF IF THE BUSES COULDN'T GET THROUGH WITHOUT CPRISING THOSE COMMUNITY ASSETS, THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD ADVANCE.  LOOKING AT THE TURNING MOVEMENTS AND ALL THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEING, AS REFERRING TO IN THE CONCEPT LATEST LAYOUT, WE GOT TO A PLACE ERE WE COULD INCORPORATE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND TWO STATIONS TO THE SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION THAT WOULDOT IMPACT EXISTING COMMUNITY ART MEMORIALS OR GATHERING SPACES.  THAT IT COULD GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.  AND THAT IS SOMETHING THATE RAN THROUGH MANY ITERATIONS WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AND ENGINEERING DESIGN, TRAFFIC, AND METRO TRANSIT TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE TYPES OF BUSES, THE TURNING MOVEMENTS, AND WINTER CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS SUCCESSFUL.  AND THAT WE FELT CONFIDENT THAT IT COULD RETURN.  TO REALLY ARIFY THE POINT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WAS VETTED.  THAT WOULD WORK UNDER THE FLEXIBLE OPEN OPTION.  AND THAT DOES REPRESENT A CHANGE FROM WHERE IT WAS AT PRIOR TO THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD WHERE THE BRT WAS ON THE 3700 BLOCK.  THAT, UNDER THIS CONDITION, WOULD BE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT INTO THE SOUTHF THE INTERSECTION. >> UH-HUH.  OKAY.  THANKS FOR ANSWERING THAT QUEION FOR ME.  AND NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN.  THANK YOU, MR. COSTER, FOR THIS PRESENTATION.  I REALLY HAVEN'T SAID MUCH ABOUT THIS.   Y KNOW, THE LAST PRESENTATION YOU DID, THERE WAS A BIT O CONTROVERSY IN THE DECISIONSES THAT WERE MADE.  AND I THINK THAT SPARKED SO MANY PEOPLE FROM THIS AREA REACHING OUT TO MY OFFICE.  I HAD NEVER HAD A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WITH RESIDENTS IN THE EA ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE OR HOW THEY WANTED TO SEE IT.  AND EVEN PEOPLE IN MY WARD.  BECAUSE THIS IS -- THIS PART OF THE CITY, EVERYONE FEELS LIKE IT'S THEIR PART OF THE CITY.  SO I'VE HAD AT LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WITH PEOPLE FROM WARD 4 AND, ALSO, SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS RESIDENTS SINCEHE LAST PRESENTATION.  AND YOU KIND OF SHOWING US THESE POSSIBLE LAYOUTS OR WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE.  AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.  I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB AT PRESENTING SOME PROGRESS.  AND SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN REALLY SPOTLIGHT SUCH A BAD PLACE AND MAKE IT BETTER FOR RESIDENTS.  GET, LIKE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSIT SYSTEM COMING THROUGH.  THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE REACHED OUT AND SAID I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT SERVICE BACK HERE IN THIS AREA.  THIS IS HOW I GET TO WORK.  THI IS HOW I GET MY KIDS TO SCHOOL.  THIS IS HOW, YOU KNOW, I GET TO THE GROCERY STORE.  SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO US MAKING SOMPROGRESS ON THIS.  IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS REALLY HAD TO ADJUST TO SOME DIFFERENT WAYS OF GETTING AROUND.  AND I TNK YOU ALL HAVE PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE THAT CAN HELP.  AND, ALSO, MEMORIALE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE IN THE NAME OF GEORGE FLOYD.  AND, LIKE, I'M JUST PROUD OF THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE.  I'M PROUD OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.  I MEAN, TO HAVE A PROJECT WHERE 70% OF PARTICIPANTS ARE SAYING THEY WANT SOMETHING.  THAT'S A HUGE DEAL!  LIKE, I'VE DONE WORK IN TRYING TO COLLECT SURVEYS AND TRYING TO GET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER A SURVEY OR I'VE DOOR KNOCKED.  I'VE DONE ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT STAFF HAVE DONE.  AND YOU -- THAT'S JUST A LOT OF WORK.  THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.  AND THAT -IT SHOWS THE COMMITMENT.  IT SHOWS THAT YOU ALL WANT THE COMMUNITYO BE ENGAGED.  I HOPE YOU AND OTHERS, LIKE, MR. CADO, ARE PROUD OF THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.  I KNOW IT'S HAND AND COMPLITED AND DOESN'T ALWAYS FEEL GOOD.  SOMETIMES THE HARD STUFF COMES WITH SO MUCH PAIN.  I MEAN, I WISH I COULD DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT BETTER.  BECAUSE IT IS HARD.  WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE DOING YOUR BEST AND YOU'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, FACING BRICK WALLS ALL THE TIME.  AND KNOWING YOU'RE DOING YOUR BEST.  I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MISS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU HOW GRATEFUL I AM FOR THE WORK THAT YOU AND STAFF HAVE BEEN DOING TO MOVE THIS ALONG AND MAKE THIS BETTER AND ENGAGE COMMUNITY.  AND INVOLVE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.  BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT.  IT'S IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THEY HAVE A VOICE.  AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY ON THIS, BUT I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO SEE SOME PROGRESS IN THIS.  AND I THINK THAT'S A CITY-WIDE THING.  IS NOT A -- IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA.  I THINK THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE PROGRESS.  IT'S TIME THAT WE MAKE PROGRESS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'-- JUST THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH IT.  THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>  THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.  NEXT COUNCILMEMBER OAN. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.  MY QUESTION IS THE 5RO 15 PROPERTIES.  ARE THEY RESIDENTIAL?  COMMERCIAL?  WHAT IS THE MIX OF THIS? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S 20 PRIVATE PROPERTIES.  EXCLUDING THE TWO CITY PROPERTIES.  THERE'S TWO THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL.  ONE IS A DUPLEX.  AND WE MET WITH THE OWNER OF THE DUPLEX AND THE PROPERTY MANAGER.  THE OTHER ONE IS, AS I MENTIONED, THE ONE DIFFICULT TO GET AHOLD OF, IS A ONE-SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.  THAT WE HAVE DOOR KNOCKED AND TRIED TO GET AHOLD OF.  THAT IS THE MIX OF USES ON THE BLOCK.  TWO PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.  THE REST ARE MIXES OF COMMERCIALPRO. >> ALL RIGHT.  THANK YOU.  AND THEN THE SURVEY WAS IT VERBAL OR WRITING OPTION A AND B?  SELECT WHICH ONE YOU LIKE?  WAS IT SIMILAR?  HOWAS THAT SURVEY TAKEN? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN.  GREAT QUESTION.  AND WE WANTED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL.  WE DO SURVEYS LOT IN THE CITY.  YOU GET A LINK YOU KNOW, YOU GET SOMETHING IN THE MAIL.  I GOES RIGHT AWAY.  THE REASON WHY IT WAS SO TIME INTENSIVE IS WE WANTED T TOTO MAKE SURE WHAT THE PROJECT IS.  SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT AS CLOSE AND A LOT HAS BEEN MOVING.  IT WAS OUR INTENT IS NO ONE WOULD GET, LIKE, A COLD SURVEY IN THEIR MAILBOX.  AS BOTH MYSELF AND ALEXANDER FROM OFFICE OF PUBLIC SERVICE WHO IS HERE IN SUPPORT TODAY, I THANK HIM FOR HELPING ME.  BECAUSE WE MADE IT AOAL TO, LIKE, EVERYONE WOULD GET A ONE-ON-ONE, FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH STAFF. THIS WAS ALL DIRECT.  AND AS I SAID, THIS PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY OF TO GIVE ALL THEIR FEEDBACK.  MOST OF THE MEETINGS LASTED AN HOUR.  SO 15, YOU KNOW, 15 OF THOSE PROPERTY OWRS GOT DIRECT FACE TIME WITH US TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT MORE BROAD.  AND FULLY UNDERSTAND, LIKE, WHAT IS THIS?  AND WT IT ISN'T?.  SO THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT.  WE UNDERSTOOD IF YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONDUCT A SURVEY AND POTENTIALLY SIGN RELATED TO YOUR PARCEL NUMBER, YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS RELATED TO IT.  SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE THOUGHTFUL HOW WE DID THIS AND GET A HIGH NUMBER OF RESULTS IN SHORT ORDER. >> OKAY.  ALL RIGHT.  THANK YOU.  YEA  JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.  I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T HAVE OTHER CHECK BOX WHERE IT SAYS -- OR HAVE YOU RECORDED WHAT THE REFER?  >>  THE GOAL WAS TO GET THE SIGNOFF.  OTHER THAN THE ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET ALL THE SIGNATURES.  ONE I'VE BEEN HAVING A TEXT MESSAGE OF BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO FIND A TYPE IN CROSS MINNEAPOLIS SO WE CAN CRIES CROSS PATHS TO SIGN OFF.  IAVE GOTTEN FORMAL SIGNATURES OF THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS.  NOT A VERBAL OR MAYBE IT'S ALL IN-PERSON SIGNATURES THAT REFLECTED THE MEETINGS AND THE COERSATIONS WE'VE HAD.  I COD SAY I GOT A SIGNATURE OR NEED TO FIND THEM SOMEWHERE AND GET THEM TO SIGN.  BUT A MAJORITY HAVE BEEN HARD SIGNATURES IN RESPONSE TO THE SURVEY. >> AND THANK YOU.  THANK YOU TO THE OTHER STAFF FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN IN A VERY SHORT TIME.  MY COMMENT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE HISTORIC SITE.  A SYMBOL OF FREEDOM AND A WORLDWIDEPHENOT HAPPENED.  AND I THINK THAT IT WILL TAKE US DECISIONO MAKE SURE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PRESERVING SO GENERATIONS FROM NOW REALIZE WHAT HAPPENED HERE DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.  SO THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. >> THA YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.  AND NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN.  AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.  CAN YOU, AH, EXPLAIN THE SIGNATURES A LITTLE BIT MORE.  WHY ARE WE TAKING SIGNATURES?  WHAT IS IT FOR? >>  YEAH.  COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ, CHAIR CASHMAN, WE'RE DEVELOPING THE SURVEY.  ONE OF THE COMPONENTS IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.  WHEN WE STAFF COME UP HERE IT ISN'T "WE HEARD VIA T TEXT OR SOMEONE." WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD POINT TO SAYING, YES, DON'T VOUCH FOR US. WE HAVE SOMETHING PHYSICAL THAT SHOWS THAT WE HAD THE MEETING.  AND THAT WE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THAT.  AND IN THE SURVEY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE DISTRIBUTED TO SOME COUNCILMEMBERS, I MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE TIM CHIME IN.  BUT WE CRAFTED IN A WAY THAT WAS CLEAR THIS WAS JUST A PRELIMINARY INFORMATION GATHERING SURVEY.  THAT'S WHY THERE WAS THE MORE PERSONAL TOUCH.  SO PEOPLE HAD SOME LEVEL OFONFIDENCE OF WHAT THIS DID REPRESENT OR NOT.  AND THEY WEREN'T EITHER MISUNDERSTANDING OR SCARED AWAY FROM PARTICIPATING.  AND JUST, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK A LOT ABO ENGAGEMENT AND TRUST BUILDING, AS STAFF THROUGH COMPLICATED PROJEC, WE WANTED TO REMOVE AS MANY BARRIERS AS POSSIBLE SO PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE.  THAT WOULD REFLECT OUR APPROACH ONAL. >> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AT FIRST.  I WANTED TO SH MAKE SURE IT WAS THE CASE.  I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT.  I THINK THEONS SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THE AREA,HE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW ABOUT NICOLLET MALL BEING TURNED INTO PEDESTRIAN MALL OR, YOU KNOW, GETTING BUSES OFF NICOLLET.  THE CONVERSATION HASN'T BEEN DO YOU WANT THEM OFF NICOLLET.  IT'S BEEN "BUSES ARE COMING OFF NICOLLET WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT." HERE IS ENGAGEMENT.  THAT'S A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW FOR MANY RESIDENTS.  HAVING A PEDESTRIAN CONVERSATION HAS BEEN COMBATIVE IN THE CITY ENTERPRISE.  BUT SOMEHOW DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS IT'S LET'S DO IT.  LET'S BREAK DOWNTOWN BANK.  LET'S GET BUSES OFF NICOLLET FOR FOLKS.  I WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT LOUD AND CLEAR TODAY.  IT'S FRUSTRATING.  ESPECIALLY IN A DIVERSE AREA OF LIKE STH MINNEAPOLIS.  AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I COMMUNICATED THAT TO MY REDENTS.  AND BASED ON THE PRESENTATION, I THINK I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE MY RESIDENTS DON'T GET CONFUSED.  THEY'RE PROBABLY WATCHING AT HOME.  THE OPEN-CCEPT IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN MALL.  WHETHER THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL BARRIERS THAT ORPOTENT COULD COME.  THAT'S NOT A PEDESTRIAN MALL.  AND I DON'T WANT MY CONSTITUENTS TO THINK IT'S A PEDESTRIAN MALL AND THE PRESENTATIONODAY COULD BE CONFUSING TO SOME OF THEM.  WITH THE PARTICULARLY RAISED INTERSECTION OF E OPEN CONCEPT.  AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THAT IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN MALL.  AND TO SAY THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO AN OPEN CONCEPT AND MAYBE 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD HAVE A PEDESTRIAN MALL.  NO.  MY COMMUNITY WANTS GUARANTEES.  THEY DON'T FALSE PROMISES OR SINUATIONS THIS WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN MALL EVENTUALLY.  THE OPEN CONCEPT IS AN OPEN CONCEPT.  I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CLEAR.  SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ.  NEXT COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.  I HAVE A SERIES OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.  AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THE QSTIONS THAT I HAVE IS NO WAY A REFLECTION OF, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATING THE WORK OF WHAT STAFF IS DOING O DISPARAGING IT.  I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU'VE TAKEN.  I KNOW IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF TIME.  ESPECIALLY COMING INTO THE NEW YEAR.  BUT IT IS MORE A REFLECTION OF KIND OF WHAT I'VE BEEN WRESTLING WITH.  I HAVEN'T SPOKEN MUCH ONHIS MYSELF.  AND JUST SOME CONFUSION THAT I'M FEELING AND SEEING WITHIN THIS PROCESS AS WE DISCUSS THESE OPTIONS.  THE FIRST THING COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN MAY HAVE ASKED THIS.  I WANT TO ASK A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTLY TO CLARIFY.  THE FLEXIBLE OPEN OPTION, SINCE IT HAS GATES TT CLOSE.  WOULD THAT HAVE REQUIRED OR DOES IT REQUIRE A PEDESTRIAN MALL SURVEY? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY.  I WOULD PROBABLY SEEK A LITTLE BIT OF INPUT HERE FROM TIFFANY.  >>  YES.  IF A GATE IS CLOSED AT ANY REGULAR INTERVAL.  WHETHER IT'S EVERY SATURDAY, ONCE A MONTH FROM 9:00 TO 5:00, ANY REGULAR INTERVAL THAT WOULD CLOSE THE AREA OFF TO PEDESTRIANS -- OR TO TRAFFIC AND M MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN-ONLY WOULD TRIGGER THE PEDESTRIAN SCHEUT. STATUTE.  THIS MIGHT BE FOR YOU, ATTORNEYS.  WITHIN THE STATE STATUTE FOR PEDESTRIAN MALL, DOES THE CITY HAVE TO ARTICULATE WHEN THE CLOSURES WOULD BE? >>  THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER OWDHURY.  YES.  THE STATE STATUTE REQUIRES US TO SPECIFICALLY PUT IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE CREATING WHAT TIMES AND SPACES AND DATES THAT A PEDESTRIAN MALL WOULD BE ACTIVE OR A STREET WOULD BE CLOSED. >> THANK YOU.  I WANT TO NOTE THIS IS A HUGE POINT OF CONFUSION THAT HAS JUST GOTTEN SOME CLARIFICATION.  AND I'M GLAD THAT WE TOOK THE TIME OF NOT RUSHING THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THIS.  BECAUSE THE CONCEPTTG ON OR WAS BEFORE US, OPTION C WAS A FLEXIBLE OPEN.  AT THAT TIME, WE DID NOT KNOW WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A PEDESTRIAN MALL ORDINANCE.  AND THAT'S COMING TO LIGHT NOW FOR THIS.  THE CONFUSION THAT I HAVE WITH THIS FLEXIBLE CLOSE AND OPEN, WHETHER IT'S THE RAISED INTERSECTION OR THE FLEXIBLE OPEN, IS HOW DO WE ARTICULATE THAT TO THE STATE.  HOW DO WE -- IF BUSINESSES, FOR THE LARGER BLOCK ARE ALREADY 100% IN DISAGREEMENT, HOW IS THAT AN OPTION?  AND THEN THE PLACE WHERE IEE EVEN MORE A LACK OF, LIKE, REALISTIC FEASIBILITY IS HOW WOULD OUR COMMUNITY EVEN APPLY TO DO A CLOSED SITUATION.  HOW WOULD WE PERMIT FOR THAT?  WOULD WE HAVE TO PERMIT FOR THAT?  AND THEN, ALSO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT AND BUS TRANSIT GOING THROUGH HERE.  HOW WOULD WE CREATE A CALENDAR WITH METRO TRANSIT TO DETERMINE THE DAYS WHERE THE WHOLE BLOCK WOULD BE CLOSED OFF.  HOW WOULD IT NOT BE A MAJOR DISRUPTION TO TRANSIT SERVICE FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT RELY ON THE D-LINE?  THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU, IF YOU CONSIDERED FOR THE FLEXIBLE OPEN OR THE RAISED INTERSECTION.  HOW WOULD WE WORK WITH COMMUNITY TO CLOSE IT OFF AND WORK WITH METRO TRANSIT SO IT DIDN'T DISRUPT TRANSIT SERVICE. >> CHAIR CASHMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY, I CAN ANSWER ONE PART OF YOUR QUESTION FIRST.  AS A PART OF THE SURVEY PROCESS, ONE OF THE INTENTS OF HAVING THAT CONVERSATION IS WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCE OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS.  AND WHAT I CAN CLARIFY IS THAT THE ASPECT OF REOCCURRING BUT NOT FULL-TIME CLOSURES WAS SOMETHING THAT THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR.  BUT WITHOUT HAVING A CLEAR DEFINITION OF, LIKE, WHAT THE REGULAR RECURRENCE WOULD BE OR, LIKE, WHEN AN ORDINANCE WOULD BE BLIRNED, IF IT WAS FOR A PEDESTRIAN MALL, LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A CONVERSATION OPEN FOR.  NOT AN ALL-OR-NOTHING.  I WOULD SAY THE NUANCE OF THAT CONVERSATION IT WAS THAT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SET UP MORE REGULARLY BUT NOT PERMANENT.  IT WAS MORE OPENNESS TO THAT, OTHER THAN AS COMPAR TO JUST A HARD FULL CLOSURE.  I BELIEVE THERE'S MAYBE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS IN THERE RELATED TO HOW WE PARTNER WITH OUR AGENCIES AND METRO TRANSIT AND BUSINESS OWNERS.  I THINK UNTIL WEEFINE WITH THE COMMUNITY, LIKE, WHAT SUCCESS OF, LIKE, REOCCRING CLOSURES WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE HARD TO SAY, LIKE, WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THOSE CLOSURES WOULD BE FOR COMMUNICATION.  WORKING WITH EMERGENCY RESPONSE.  THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE COMMITTED TO WORKING TO FIGURE OUT.  IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, TIFFANY, THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED. >> DIRECTOR SEXTON ALSO WANTS TO WEIGH IN, TOO. >> YEAH.  THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN.  AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO POINTS THAT HAV COME UP RECENTLY.  THE FIRST,YOE OPTION I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA ARE -- WOULD LOOK LIKY FUNCTIONALLY THE SAME.  IT'S A MATTER OF HOW OFTEN THE GATE WOULD BE RAISED.  THERE'S ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE TRAGEDY IN NEW ORLEANS AND OTHER INSTANS, IT WOULD NOT BE AN UNIMPEDED -- THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF DELINEATION OR BREAK BETWEEN THE STREET AND THAT PEDESTRIAN AREA.  AND THERE WOULD NEED TO BE CONTINUED ACCESS FOROADING, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AND OTHER SORT OF ESSENTIAL SERVICES.  SO WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW OFTEN THAT GATE IS RAISED AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT BURDEN MIGHT BE TO RAISING THAT GATE IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS.  THE ORE PIECE IS THELEXIBLE OPTION REFLECTS OUR COMMITMENT TO MAKING -- TO RECOGNIZING THIS IS A DIFFERENT PLACE.  AND SO WE KNOW THAT BURDEN TO MAKING THE SUCCESSFUL TO CLOSING THAT GATE WHEN THERE'S GATHERINGS OR OTHER EVENTS, IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES IN OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.  WHAT EXACTLY THAT IS, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPROVED LAYOUT JUST YET.  WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKING THAT SPACE USABLE FOR THESE GATHERINGS AND OTHER.  AND HAVING IT EASY TO BE CLOSED.   THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE TERMINOLOGY WE USE AND HOW WE CAME TO THE RECOMMENDATION.  THERE'S TWO POINTS I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT.  WE'RE TALKED ABOUT LIMITED DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF WT IT LOOKS LIKE OU>>
  >> I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP GOING. >> YOU'RE FINE. >> TNK YOU.  WITH ALL OF THE RESPECT IN THE WORLD, I UNDERSTAND THIS COMMITMENT THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS MAKING.  THING A COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT IS SHARED GOAL FOR US.  I THINK THE PART I'LL DISAGREE IS FACT WE NEED A CONCEPT PLAN TONDERSTAND HOW IT'S FEASIBLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.  WE CAN'T MAKE A COMMITMENT THEY WOULD HAVE A PLACE T GATHERING AND DO THIS WHEN THE FEASIBILITY QUESTIONS AREN'T ANSWERED.  AND, AGAIN, RESPECTFULLY, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OPTION C, THE QUESTION OF NEEDING TO MAKE A PEDESTRIAN MALL ORDINANCE WAS NOT EVEN BROUGHT UP TO US.  THAT'S SOMETHING WE AS A BODY WOUL NEED TO CONDUCT.  IT MAKES ME WEARY.  AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WITH THE FLEXIBLE OPEN WE HAVE LOOKED INTO ENOUGH, AS A COUNCILMEMBER, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.  AS A POLICY MAKERS, TO SAY THIS IS THE -- THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT I FEEL CONFIDENTLY GOING IN.  I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILMEMBER MEMBERS IN GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE NEED TO GET A FROM THE CITY.  IF THEY NEEDED A PERMIT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT FEELS RIGHT TO ME THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO GO THROUGH A BUREAUCRACY EFFORT THEY WOULD HAVE TO POTENTIALLY PAY A FEE IN ORDER TOO ACTIVITIES THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING.  AND THE QUESTION ABOUT TRANSIT ACCESS WAS A HUGE POINT WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE LAYOUTS.  NOW WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWERED QUESTION OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH BUS RAPID TRANT, IF WE HAD FLEXIBLE.  ONE THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN MY TIME SPEAKING IS, I'M GRATEFUL TO BE IN THIS COMMITTEE.  I REALLY ENJOY WHENT PLANS AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS.  HOWEVER, THIS ISSUE, GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY IT'S A STREET IMPROVEMENT ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING.  IT'S NOT A STREET IMPROVEMENT ISSUE.  IT A WHOLE ECOSYSTEM AND COMMUNITY LAYOUT.  WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY. OBVIOUSLY THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD BUT THEN THE REOPENING OF GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE THAT HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AT 4:00 A.M.BY OUR OWN CITY STAFF.  THAT TRAUMATIZED THE COMMUNITY.  WE DON'T HAVEASY WOULD HAVE SOME AUTONOMY HERE WITH THE FLEXIBLE OPEN.  ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS, WHAT IF THE COMMUNITY DECIDED, OKAY, THIS IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR US TO CLOSE UP THE SPACE FOR US TO DO REGULAR COMMUNITY EVENTS WE WOULD DO BEFORE , SO WE' GOING TO CLOSE THE GATES OURSELVES.  WHAT WOULD THE CITY'S RECOURSE BE?  TO REMOVE THE GATES OUTRIGHT?  BECAUSE THERE ISN'T COMPLIANCE.  THAT GIVES ME PAUSE.  I DON'T WANT TO SEE GROWING TENSION HERE.  I THINK THERE'S A COMPRISE TO BE FOUND AS A BODY.  AND I THINK THE IDEA OF OPTION A WHERE IT'S THAT PARTIAL CUL-DE-SAC IS ONE THAT IS WORTH CONSIDERING AND LOOKING AT FEASIBLY.  FOR HOW WE CAN DO THAT.  I THINK THE STREET IMPROVEMENT PART IS A PART WHERE THERE'S DIVISION AMONG COUNCILMEMBERS.  I HAVE RESPECT FOR THAT.  BUT THE THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE DIVION ON, THAT WE HAVEN'T ADEQUATELY DISCUSSED OR TAKEN UP AND THAT MIGHT NOTALL INTO PUBLIC WORKS IS PUBLIC SAFETY IN THIS AREA.  AT DO WE NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE IT SAFER OVER HERE.  WHAT IT A STRATEGIC PLAN?  ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION.  WE HAVE KNOWN THAT THE BUSINESSES HERE HAVE STRUGGLED FOR A LONG TIME. E AGREE.  TRANSIT ACCESS.  WHAT CONNECTIONS CAN WE MAKE WHILE METRO TRANSIT SUSPEC ISN'T GOING THROUGH HERE TO IMPROVE THAT.  LAST THING, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF RHETORIOF SAYING THIS IS A BAD PLACE OR DELIPIDATED PLACE.  IT'S SUFFERING.  I WANT TO SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S NOT THE ONLY NARRATIVE ABOUT THIS PLACE.  A NEW COFFEE SHOP OPENED UP.  WORKERS ARE UNIONIZE I HAD TWO CONSTITUENTS THAT GAMARRIED AT GEORGE FLOYD CARE IS.  IT'S NOT JUST THE TATTERED IMAGE OF A PLACE THAT IS DYING OUT.  NO.  DESPITE THE ACTIONS OF THE CITY, COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE COMING TOGETHER AND BRINGING LIFE HERE.  AND HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALL FEEL CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE COMMUNITY.  AND FIGURE OUT WHATE'RE DOING, AT THIS POINT.  WE DON'T HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN.  OR I'LL SAY AS A COUNCILMEMBER, I FEEL CONFIDENT IN VOTING FOR. >>  THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.  I DID GET BACK IN QUEUE.  FOLLOWING UP ON SOME TNGS YOU SAID, DIRECTOR.  I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN, BUT I ALSO AM SEEING TWO BRT STATIONS HERE ON CHICAGO.  THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY EXPENSIVE DIFFERENCE.  AND THEN, ALSO, THE CUL-DE-SAC PART IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS.  SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE YOU KNOW, BRT STATION IS NO SMALL LIFT.  AND SO, LIKE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OPTI OPTION IN TERMS OF TIME AND COST OF THE ELEMENTS THAT CLEARLYIRCHT. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN.  IF IT'S OKA >> GOOD QUESTION.  HIGHLIGHTING OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH METRO TRANSIT.  THIS IS SOMETHING THEY BUDGETED FOR IN PART OF THE D-LINE.  FOR US BEING ABLE TO DESIGN THE LAYOUT, WE WOULD PUT IN WHAT THEY NEED TO MATCH WHAT THAT DO.  THEY WOULD PUT THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON.  IT WOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY ON OUR STREET PROJECT AS IT RELATES TO THE BR  HOWEVER, ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF WE WERE TO MAKE A LONG-TERM DETOUR THAT WAS PERMANENT.  THERE WAS THE QUESTION OF THE ADDITIONAL CITY INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE ON OTHER STREETS TO ACCOMMODATE T BUSES LONG-TERM.  THAT IS STILL A QUESTION OF HOW, LIKE, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS FOR THE DETOURED STREETS.  SPECIFICALLY 39th WHICH WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE A BUS ROUTE. >>  THE CUL-DE-SAC ELEMENT IS CLEARLY DIFFERENT BETEN THE TWO OPTIONS.  SO WHAT IS THE COST ANALYSIS?  AND TIMELINE ANALYSIS OF THOSE TWO. >> GREAT QUESTION,HAIR CASHMAN.  ONE THING I WAS MENTIONING WITH THE -- THIS IS A NCEPT LAYOUT.  SO UNTIL WE GET AN APPROVED LAYOUT, WE' NOT ABLE TO TAKE IT DOWN TO THE DOLLARS AND CENTS.  BUT WHAT DIRECTOR SEXTON WAS ALLUDING TO, THAT AS WE LOOK AT THE SPACE FOR, LIKE, NEEDS FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR INTERNAL PARTNERS.  WRFL POTENTIALLY YOU HAVE THE HAVE THE SPACE.  THAT'S OUR FIRE CODE INDICATES.  20 FE OF CLEAR.  SO A 20-FEET SPACE WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO BE RESERVED.  WHERE THERE'S NO VERTICAL ELEMENTS.  WHERE VEHICLES HAVE TO GET THROUGH.  WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE WE'RE TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE ON THE SCREEN WHE THE RAISED INTERSECTION IS CALLED OUT.  THERE'S A SPACE THAT WOULD BE FLAT, POTENTIALLY RAISED, IF WE GET THAT POINT OF ENGINEERING.  IT WOULD HAVTO BE UNOOBSTRUCTED.  SIMILARLY THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA WOULD HAVE POTENTIAL MOUNTED SPACE THAT WOULD HAVE P APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET OF SPACE WHERE THERE IS NO V VERTICAL OBSTRUCTIONS.  THAT'S KIND OF TRYING TO VERBALIZE OF THE POINT OF BEING, LIKE, IT LOOK VERY SIMILAR IN DESIGN.  I'LL LET DIRECTOR SEXTON JUMP IN, IF I MISSED ANYTNG >>  NOTHING TO ADD.  I THINK NATHAN CAPTURED IT ACCURATELY. >> OKAY.  AND I HEARD HIM SAY THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR REOCCURRING CLOSURE OF THE STREET.  THERE WAS MORE SUPPORT DURING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.  I THK THAT'S POSITIVE TO HEAR.  AND I'M -- BECAUSE I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT.  LIKE, A FREQUENT OCCURRENCE OF OPEN STREETS AT THIS SPACE.  OPEN SEETS MEANING STREETS CLOSED TO CARS.  THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY OPEN STREETS. HE OPEN STREET EVENTS WE PUT ON.  WHEN WE BLOCK OFF CAR AND BUS ACCESS TO MAKE ROOM FOR PEDESTRIANS.  MY QUESTION, WHEN YOU DID THE SURVEY ABO WHETHER THEY SUPPORT PEDESTRIAN PLAZA, WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD SUPPO A REGULAR CADENCE OF STREET CLOSURE. >> >.. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.  WE WERE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE OF THE RESOLUTION THAT GOT BROUGHT FORWARD.  AS I STATED, HAVING AN OPEN CONVERSATION AND TRYING TO ASK AND BE OPEN ABOUT WHAT OTHER THINGS COULD OR COULDN'T WORK.  THAT'S WHY WE'RE INTENTIONAL ON THE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE A MORE NUANCED CONVERSATION WITH LIKE, WHAT DO YOU FEEL LIKE.  IS IT ALL OR NOTHING?  IS IT HARD CLOSURE?  OR REGULAR EVENTS?  AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHATHE SPACES WERE SO THAT AS STAFF COULD TAKE THE INFORMATION IN.  BUT, ALSO BEAB, FIGURE OUT HOW AND WHERE WE TAKE THIS.  BUT WE DID HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE ON THIS PRELIMINARY SURVEY, AT SOME POINT, SO IT WASN'T END ESLY OPEN ENDED.  AND THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE WE HAD, GIVEN THE INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL AND INTERNALLY OF HOW WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND BE RESPONSIVE.  AND ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.  OKAY.  AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD 1 100% N IF THE QUESTION WAS WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO A REGULAR CA CADENCE OF EVENTS.  LIKELY THERE WOULD BE LESS NO'S.  RIGHT? >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, THIS IS WHY -- I THINK I RESPONDED TO COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ, LIKE, I -- IF I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO NUMBERS.  I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT SIED.  I WOULD SAY THE CONVERSAONS WERE MUCH MORE OPEN AND POSITIVE TO THAT DESCRIPTION OF, LIKE, REGULAR FREQUENT CLOSURES AS COMPARED TO, LIKE, PERMANENT FULL-TIME. >> OKA >>  AND I THINK THAT'S WHY HAVING A GOOD CONVERSATION KEEPS THE DOOR OPEN AND WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE BE PERCEIVED OF, LIKE, HEY, THIS IS ALL NEGATIVE.  IT'S VERY MUCH, LIKE, IF IT WANTS TO BE AN OPTION.  WE HAVE TO BE POSITIVE AND BE ABLEO ARTICULATE OUR NEEDS, DESIRES OF WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE IN THE FUTURE.  WHICH IS WHY WE APPROACHED IT IN THAT MANNER. >> OKAY.  I'LL RECNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU.  AND I GOT BACK IN QUEUE.  AGAIN, I WANT TO CLARIFY TO THE PUBLIC.  I THINK IF THEY'RE WATCHING THIS, THEY'LL GET CONFUSED AT SOMEHOW THE OPEN CONCEPT IS LITERALLYLMOST THE SAME AS PEDESTRIAN CONCEPT.  IT'S NOT.  THE DRAFT CONCEPTS ARE CLEARLY, CLEARLY, CLEARLY VERY DIFFERENT.  I DON'T WANT ANY INSINUAON OF THE PUBLIC GETTING CONFUSED.  I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR.  NOT ONLY ARE THEY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN THE DRAFT CONCEPT LAYOUT, THERE IS A KEY DIFFERENCE HERE.  IN THE SUMMER OF 2020, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MURDERED GEORGE FLOYD AND LITERALLY BROKE THE TRUST OF MINNEAPOLIS RESIDENTS WITH THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT.  THE TRUST.  TRUST IS BROKEN BY MANY RESIDENTS.  I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ALL BUT MANY.  I'LL SPE FOR WARD 9.  THERE WAS A TRUST BETWEEN MANY OF MY RESIDENTS AND THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT.  AND THE REASON I'M MENTIONING THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING A CONCEPT LOUT AND THEN HOPING THAT YOU WILL TRUST YOUR CITY GOVERNMENT THAT EVENTUALLY 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE 5, THEY'LL CREATE A PEDESTRIAN MALL FOR YOU.  THEY'RE ASKING THE SAME GOVERNMENT THAT MURDERED GEORGE FLOYD TO TRUST YOU.  TO TRUST THE CITY ENTERPRISE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A PEDESTRIAN MALL FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.  THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.  I'M SORRY.  TO HAVE MY CONSTITUENTS TRUST THAT'S GOING TOAPPEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.  I ARE DO NOT TRUST THAT.  I MYSELF DON'T EVEN TRUST THAT.  I'M SAYING THERE'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE HERE.  A OPPORTUNITY TO MOVEORWARD WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CONCEPT GUARANTEEING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BY PASSIN A CONCEPT LAYOUT.  AT THE SAME TIME PASSING AN ORDINANCE.  THAT'S A PROCESS.  AND ANOTHER IS POTENTIALLY PASSING AN ORDINANCE AFTER CONSTRUCTION, AFTER THIS IS ALL DONE, AND HOPING IT HAPPENS.  THE CLEAR DIFFERENCE ISN'T JUST THE DRAFT CONCEPT PLAN.  IT'S THE TRUST BETEN GOVERNMENT AND ITS CITIZEN.  THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HERE.  THAT IS ABIN BROKEN WITH MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS.  AND THE ROUTE WE DECIDE TO GO TOWARDS, THAT IS A KEY DIFFERENCE.  A IT'S TRUST, TRUST, TRUST.  SO I WANTED TO MAKE IT LOUD AND CLEAR TODAY.  THAT'S NOT A SMALL THING.  TRUST NEEDS TO BE EARNED AND TRUST HAS NOT BEEN EARNED BY MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS.  THANK YOU. >> NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNLMEMBER CHOWDHURY IT >> . >> THANK YOU.  I HAD AOUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME TO MIND ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN MALL ORDINANCE. HIS PROBABLY REFERS TO THE ATTORNEYS.  IN ORDER FOR A PEDESTRIAN MALL TO BE ALLOWED, THERE'S, OBVIOUSLY, THE SURVEY.  WHAT PERCENTAGE OF BUSINESSES OR OWNERS OF FRONTAGE NEED TO SUPPORT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE ENACTED BYHE CITY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CASHMAN AND UNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY.  IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.  I'M GOING TO TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN. >> YEAH.  PLEASE. >> SO THE PEDESTRIAN MALL STATUTE GIVES PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.  SO THEY'RE BUDDING THE PEDESTRIAN MALL AREA.  KIND OF RIGHT NEXT TO IT.  THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE AND PROTEST.  ESSENTIALLY TO WRITE WRITTEN OBJECTION TO THE PEDESTRIAN MALL.  SO IF PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTING OVER 50% OF THE FRONTAGE SAY, WRITE IN AN WRITTEN OBJECTION, THEN THE CITY CANNOT GO FORWARD WITH THE PEDESTRIAN MALL.  I'M SORRY. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU CAN DEFINE FRONTAGE.  FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT NOT MEAN. >> FRONTAGE MEANS THAT'S THE PROPERTY THAT IS ABUTTING OR NEXT TO THE PEDESTRIAN MALL.  SO SURROUNDING THE PEDESTRIAN MALL.  SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNED 51% OF THE ABUTTING FRONTAGE.  THEIR PROPERTY IS VERY LARGE.  THEY WOULD HAVE -- AND IN THAT CASE, THEY COULD BE THE ONLY ONE WHO OBJECTS AND IT WOULD STILL BE -- THE CITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD.  YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTING 50.001% OF THAT AREA, AND IT STILL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD.  SO IT'S JUST AS LONG AS IT'S A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTING A MAJORITY OF THE FRONTAGE.  THEN IT CAN'T GO FORWARD. >> THANK YOU.  IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION NOW FOR MR.OSTNER.  JUST LOOKING AT OPTION B, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A MAJORITY THERE.  DO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING HOW MANY OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, I BELIEVE, TWO LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE IN THAT SECTION. >>  CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY.  AS I MENTIONED, THESE ARE PRELIMINARY CONCEPTS.  SO, LIKE, WITHOUT THE FINAL ENGINEERING, WE'RE UNCLEAR, LIKE, IF THE DESIGN MAY FORCE THE CUL-DE-SAC TO BE LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH, A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTH.  SO TO GET EXACT NUMBERS WITHOUT ALL OF THE DETAILED DESIGN, WE'RE UNSURE IF THERE COULD BE UTILITY CONFLICTS OR HOW IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK ONCE WE GOT INTOESIGNED DINE DETAILED DESIGN TO GIVE PRESERVO THE PUBLIC ALLEY TO PICK UP, WHAT HAVE YOU.  UNTIL WE GET A FINAL DESIGN, IT'S HARD TO SAY EXACTLY HOW THE MATH WORKS UP OF FRONTAGE. >>  YES. >> CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER, IF I MAY ADD.  I THINK NATHAN IS EXACTLY RIGHT.  THE DESIGNS THAT WE DID INITIALLY WERE NOT -- WE DID T DESIGN THEM WITHIN THE AWARENESS OF THE BOULEVARD ORDINANCE.  BUT IF YOU LOOK A THE GRAPHICS THERE, AS NATHAN MENTIONED, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE THE BOUNDARIES WOULD BE.  BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET INTO FINAL DESIGN, UERSTANDING, SAY, THAT CUL-DE-SAC WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THAT CUL-DE-SAC EVEN AS FRONTAGE.  IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT CUL-DE-SAC WOULD NEED TO BE RAISED, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET OR 50 FEET TO THE NORT  IT'S POSSIBLE IT COME BACK.  I HAD SAY, THOUGH, JUST LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT THE CUL-DE-SAC WOULY OR BEYOND THAN IT IS IT WOULD COME SOUTHF THAT.  SO I'M -- IT'S LIKELY THAT ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT NATHAN SHOWED ON THE OTHER SLIDE, YOU KNOW, THATD HAVE A SAY IN THE FAL OUTCOME OF THIS, IF IT DID GO TO, YOU KNOW, THE STATUTORY VOTING PROCESS. >> CHAIR CASHMAN, COUNCILMEER CHOWDHURY.  ONE THING I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT DIRECTOR SEXTON SAID THE REASON IT WOULDN'T GO SOUTH IS BECAUSE OF THE PRESERVATION OF MEMORIAL SPACE AND THE PRIORITIES THAT HAS BEEN CLEARLY ARTICULATED TO PUBLIC WORKS THAT WE WLD NOT GO SOUTH TO FURTHER IMPACT THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT COULD BE DESIGNATED IF FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN USINGOR, YOU KNOW, APPROACHING FIVE YEARS NOW.  THAT'S THE REASON WHY. >> OKAY.  AND I'LL JUST NOTE AND SAY -- SAY -- SAY -- AH, ONE OF THE PIECES I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THE CITY OWNS A PART OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE PEOPLE'S WAY.  I THINK THAT'S A PART OF THE CONSIDERATION, TOO, FOR US TO THINK ABOUT.  A COMPRISE WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS.  AND SO I'M INTERESTED IN OPTION A AND EXPLORING THAT.  I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.  BUT I ALSO WANT TO -- YOU MADE ME THINK OF THIS WHEN YOU SAID PRESERVING MEMORIAL SPACE.  THE PLACE IN WHICH GEORGE FLOYD WAS MURDERED IS MEMORIAL SPACE, ABSOLUTELY.  AND I ALSO BELIEVE THE STREET THAT WAS NEEDED TO BE CROSSED BY THE BYSTANDERS WHO CAME AND CALLED AND ASKED FOR OFFICERS TO GET OFF OF GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK, TT CROSSING THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN FROM THE PEOPLE'S WAY THAT BROUGHT PEOPLE TOGETHER ALL AROUND THE BLOCK, THAT IS ALSO MEMORIAL SPACE.  AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE OUR PUBL PUBLIC WOS DEPARTMENT TO CONSIDER THAT.  I THINK THAT'S A PART OF THE HEART ACHE AMONG CMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WANT TO SEE A PEDESTRIAN MALL IN THIS AREA.  IT'S NOT ONLY THE PLACE IN WHICH GEORGE FLOYD DIED.  IT IS EVERYTHING THAT OCCURRED IN THAT AREA.  CHAIR, WITH THAT, I HAVE CONCLUDED MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.  NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.  WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATIONS, AND I GUESS 50 I'M, JUST, LIKE, REALLY GROWING CONFUSED ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE SAID.  I MEAN, THE PEOPLE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS HAVE SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE PEDESTRIAN MALCOL MALL SMAZ CONCEPT LAYOUT.  DO WE THINK WE KNOW BETTER TN THESE PEOPLE.  THEY'VE ASKED FOR IT.  THEY TOLD US OVER AND OVER AGAIN.  WHY AREN'T WE LISTENINGE MEETING IN DECEMBER, I THINK IT WAS.  EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US SAYS THAT.  THERE'S AN OUTSIDE VENDOR.  THEIR REPORT SAID THE SAME THING.  THAT, YOUNOW, FULL VEHICLE ACCESS.  THAT PEOPLE WERE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO RESTRICTED ACCESS.  I'M IN THE UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS -- WHAT, LIKE, WHERE THIS IS -- WHERE ARE WE DIVIDED ON THIS.  WHEN THE INFORMATION WAS PRESENTED TO US, AND I MEAN, IT'S SO HYPOCRITICAL TO HAVE INFORMATION PRESENTED TO YOU AND THEN TO SAY, THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT, LIKE, AFTER YEARS OF ENGAGEMENT.  WE SHOULD BE DOING THE OPPOSITE.  I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE COMMENTS AROUND TRUST.  100% PEOPLE DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT.  PEOPLE DON'T TRUST COUNCILMEMBERS.  PEOPLE DON'T TRUST A LOT OF THINGS.  BUT I SIGNED UP TO BE A COUNCILMEMBER BECAUSE I WANT TO BRIDGE THAT GAP OF TRUST.  I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING INTO MY COMMUNITY AND SAYING "YOU DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT." I WANT TO BE THE PERSON THAT MAKES SURE THAT SOMEBODY IN MY CAREER AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I WANT TO MAKG GOVERNMENT.  I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO FIX EVERY RELATIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS AND THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS.  BUT I'M ALSO NOT GOING TO BE CREATING A NARRATIVE WHERE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.  WHEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIDGE GOVERNMENT AND RESIDENTS, I WANT TO DO THAT.  AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.  PEOPLE HAVE SPOKE UP.  PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP ON THIS.  PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR US TO MAKE THE HARD DECISION OF MOVING FORWARD ON THIS.  AND WE JUST KEEP GETTING TO THIS PLACE OF DOING NOTHING.  OR NOT ENGAGING AROUND WHAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US.  BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY WANT.  AND IT'S NOT OKAY.  I STARTED OUT MY COMMENTS EARLIER THANKING STAFF.  BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WORK S BEEN PUT INTO THIS.  AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS POSSIBLY SOME PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T TRUST STAFF BUT THE WAY YOU APPROACH PEOPLE, IT CHANGED THAT.  AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.  IF SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS KNOCKS ON  DOOR, AND ASKS ME HOW I FEEL ABOUT A CONCEPT PLAN WITH.  GUESS WHAT IT'S DOING?  BUILDING TRUST.  I MAY NOT FULLY TRUST YOU, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU KNOCKED ON MY DOOR.  I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.  BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T HAPPEN FOUR YEARS AGO.  AND BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WE'RE IN, AND STAFF KNOWS THAT, AND STAFF KNOW THEY'LL BE THE FIRST ONES PROFESSIONALLY AND, IN SOME CASES, PERSONALLY, ATTACKED BY THESE VERY BIG CONTRERSIAL DECISIONS THAT IS IMPORTANT THAT WH STAFF DOES THE WORK OF ENGAGING COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT IS NOT THE STATUS QUO.  WE HAVE TO REALLYIGHLIGHT THAT.  AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT,OPE, WE'RE NOT ALL THE WAY THERE.  ARE WE GETTING THERE?  PROBABLY.  I  IS IT GOING TO BE THE ONE ISSUE THAT GIFTS US THERE?  PROBABLY NOT.  WE HAVE THIS ISSUE TO SAY 'RE TRYING.  I AS A COUNCILMEMBER RAN FOR OFFICE BECAUSE I WANTED TO BRIDGE THE GAP.  I CAN USE AN EXAMPLE.  PUBLIC WORKS WAS HARD FOR ME TO ACCESS AS A RESIDENT OF MINNEAPOLIS.  WHEN I TALKED TO RESIDENTS IN WARD 4, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS DEPARTMENT IS IMPERATIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I REPRESENT.  PUBLIC WORKS HAS -- I ENCOMPASSES SO MUCH AROUND LIVABILITY IN THIS CITY.  AND IT WAS IMPORTANT FORE TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN PUBLISH LICK WOR -- PUBLIC WORKS AND TAKE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS BACK TO WARD 4 AND SAY WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS "PUBLIC WORKS DOE'T DO THIS." IT'S NOT OKAY TO SAY "UH-HUH.  THEY DON'T.  THEY DON'T DO IT FOR ME EITHER." IT'S FOR ME TO SAY "I WILL WORK ON IT OR I'LL WORK ON IT." THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.  TO CORRECT PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAYTHAG THAT'S NOT TRUE.  AND TO KEEP WORKING ON IT.  I DON'T HAVE EGO WHEN IT COMES TO MY RESIDENTS.  ZERO EGO FOR ME.  I'LL WORK WITH ANYBODY.  I THANK PEOPLE.  I SAY "NO THANK YOU" WHATEVER I NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WA 4 GETS WHAT THEY HAVE COMING TO THEM AND WHAT THEY DESERVE.  OR WHAT THEY WANT.  NO WHAT I WANT OR HOW I WANT.  I CAN SIT IN THE ROOM WITH ANYBODY ON BEHALF  MY RESIDENTS.  AND I KNOW WHAT STAFF IS DOI HERE.  I KNOW YOU ALL ARE DOING HARD WORK TO MAKE SURE THIS PROJECT IS THE BEST IT COULD BE.  LIK NO, EVERYBODY DOESN'T TRUST YOU.  BUT I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO BUILD TRUST WITH COMMUNITY.  I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO BUILD TRUST WITH COUNCILMEMBERS.  IT'S NOT OKAY TO KEEP CREATING A DIVISION WHEN PEOPLE ARE WORKING HARD ON PROGRESS.  I WANT EVERY STAFF PERSON WHO HAS WORKED ON THIS TO GO AWAY FEELING LIKE YOU HAVE DONE METHING.  IT'S NOT BAD.  IT'S GOOD!  YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US OPTIONS.  IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS.  AND GO BACK TO COMMUNITY AND SAY, IT MAY NOT BE WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE.  TRUST AS YOUR COUNCILMEMBER I'M GOING TO SEE IT THROUGH.  AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE BEHIND YOU SEE IT THROUGH, ALSO.  THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.  AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.  YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE SIGNED UP FOR AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.  AND CONTINUINGO CREATE A DIVISION BETWEEN US AND WHAT CONITUENTS SAY OR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY ABOUT A PARTICULAR AREA OR WHATEVER.  IT'S NOT OKAY.  AND I DON'T WANT ANY STA MEMBER TO TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.  IN PARTICULAR, ON THIS.  BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE DOING A DAMN GOOD JOB AT SEEING THIS THROUGH AND MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THE BEST.  OF WHAT PEOPLE ASKED FOR. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.  SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, I'M GOING TO MOTION TO CONTINUE IT ANOTHER CYCLE TO FEBRUARY 6th.  ON THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.  THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.  ANY ABSTENTIONS?  AYES HAVE IT.  THIS ITEM IS CONTINUED.  WITH THAT, WE HAVE CONCLUDED ALL BUNESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.  WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE STAND ADJOURNED.