##VIDEO ID:_AOXzfW9bF8## >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I CALL TO  ORDER THE FEBRUARY 4, 2025,  REGULAR MEETING OF THE  MINNEAPOLIS HERITAGE  PRESERVATION COMMISSION. FOR THE RERD MY NAME IS MARAIS BJORNBERG AND I SERVE AS CHAIR  OF THE COMMISSION. JUST A REMINDER TO SILENCE YOUR  CELL PHONES AND OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND SPEAK CLEARLY AT THE MICROPHONE OR AT THE DAIS GIVING TESTIMONY. WILL THE CLE CALL THE ROLL SO  WE MAY VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A  QUORUM. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> PRESENT. >> BOOTE. >> PRESENT. >> HERR. >> PRESENT. >> KARATO. >> PRESENT. >> MASTIN IS ABSENT. MELLBLOM.>> PRESENT. >> THOMAS. >> PRESENT. >> WALLACE. >> PRESENT. >> RODRIGUEZ. >> PRESENT. >> CHAIR BJORNBERG. >> PRESENT. >> THERE ARE NINE MEMBERS  PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD REFLE THAT  WE DO HAVE QUORUM AND THAT  COMMISSIONER MASTIN PROVIDED  PROPER NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE A  CONFLICT THIS AFTERNOON AND  THEIR ABSENCE IS EXCUSED. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS  TO ADOPT THE AGEA THIS  EVENING. WE WILL WORK FROM THE AGENDAS  THAT ARE AVAILABLE VIA THE  CLERK. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS501  HIAWATHA AVENUE WARD 9 ADJUSTED  TO WARD 12. THIS IS FOR DEMOLITION OF A  HISTORIC RESOURCE AND WILL BE  DISCUSSED. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS 2025  OFFICERS ELECTIONS AND THIS ITEM WILL BE DISCUSSED. SO THE PROPOSED AGENDA IS THE  FOLLOWING ITEM WILL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION, PUBLIC COMMENT,  AND COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND  ACTION. THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 4, 3501  HIAWATHA AVENUE WARD 9 ADJUSTED  TO WARD 12. ITEM NUMBER 5, 2025 WILL HAVE  COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND  ACTION. COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE A MOTION  TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED AGENDA? >> I MOTION TO APPROVE THE  AGENDA. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  WALLACE. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  MELLBLOM. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES] >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY? ANY STENTIONS? THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS WILL  BE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM  OUR JANUARY 7, 2025, MEETING. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE  THOSE MINUTES? >> COMMISSIONER HERR SO MOVES. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERR. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  ALEXANDER. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY  AYE. >> E. >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS INCLUDING  COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE ABSENT? >> KARATO STAINS. >> BOOTE ABSTAINS. >> THOMAS ABSTAINS. >> THANK YOU, COMMSIONERS. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. BEFORE I OPEN THE HEARING TO  PUBLIC COMMENTS, LET ME  SUMMARIZE THE PROCESS FOR  CONDUCTING THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL TAKE THE AGENDA IN  ORDER. PLANNING STAFF WILL PRESENT ITS  REPORT AND COMMISSIONERS MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF. THEN I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC  HEARING AND WE WILL HEAR FROM  THE APPLICANTND COMMISSIONERS  MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE  APPLICANT. AFTER THAT, WE WILL INVITE  PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU HAD MATERIALS TO HAND  OUT, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO OUR  COMMITTEE CLERK SO THAT THEY CAN BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CMISSION AND ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. DO NOT APPROACH THE  COMMISSIONERS ON TH DAIS. AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE  COMPLETE, I WILL CLOSE THE  HEARING AND COMMISSIONERS WILL  DELIBERATE AND ACT ON THE  APPLICATION BEFORE US. OUR FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 4, 3501 HIAWATHA AVENUE, WARD 9  ADJUSTED TO WARD 12. THIS APPLICAON IS FOR A  DEMOLITION OF A HISTORIC  RESOURCE AND THE STAFF REPORT IS PRESENTED BY ERIN QUE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR,  COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ERIN QUE AND I'M A  SENIOR CITY PLANNER IN THE  HISTORIC PRESERVATION SYSTEM  PLANNING OR CPED. I'M HERE TO PRESENT A DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC RESOURCE FOR THE  PROPERTY LOCATED AT 350  HIAWATHA AVENUE. I WILL SUMMARIZE THE HISTORY OF  THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND PRESENT STAFF FINDINGS ON TH  APPLICATION. I WILL START WITH TH TERM OF  DEFINITION OF HISTORIC RESOURCE. AS STATED IN THE CODE OF  ORDINANCES, A HISTORIC RESOURCE  IS A PROPERTY BELIEVED TO HAVE  HISTORICAL, ARCHAEOLOGICAL OR  ENGINEERING SIGNIFICANCE AND TO  MEET AT LEAST ONE OF THE  CRITER FOR DESIGNATION AS A  LANDMARK OR HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO ALTHOUGH A HISTORIC SOURCE  MEETS THE CRITERIA TO BE  DESIGNATED, IT HAS NOT BN  FORMALLY DESIGNATED. STAFF USES THE TERM HISTORIC  RESOURCE AND POTENTIALISTORIC  RESOURCE INTERCHANGEABLY. THIS PROPOSED DEMOLITION CAME TO CPED HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF WHEN THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT  TO STAFF IN NOVEMBER 2024. THE PROPERTY IS DETERMINED  INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR  LISTINGN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. GIVEN THE AGE, METHOD OF  CONSTRTION, AND HISTORY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY  IS CONSIDERED TO BE A HISTORIC  RESOURCE, SO THE APPLICANT WAS  REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A DEMOLITION  OF HISTORIC RESOURCE TO SEEK  APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED  AT 3501 HIAWATHA AVENUE IN THE  HOWELL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE APPCANT HAS EXPRESSED  INTEREST IN DEVELOPING HOUSING. Y NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL NEED  APPROVALS AT A LATER DATE AND IS NOT PART OF THI APPLICATION. R A DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC  RESOURCE APPLICATION, STAFF  FIRST ANALYZES THE INTEGRITY AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY. HERE ARE A FEW PHOTOS OF THE  SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM THE WEST  ON THE TOP OF THE SLIDE AND THE  NORTH ON THE BOTTOM OF THE  SLIDE. AND HERE'S A VIEW FROM THE EAST  ON THE TOP AS WELL AS AN OBLIQUE AERIAL PHOTO TAKEN FROM THE  SOUTHWEST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SCALE WITHIN THE SURROUNDING  CONTEXT. THE SITE WAS FIRST DEVELOPED IN  1884 FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS GLASS  COMPANY FACTORY. IT WAS DEMOLISHED BY 1912. AND IN 1914 IT BEGAN TO BE  DEVELOPED AS A MILL. IN 1922 THE COMPANY WAS SOLD TO  MINNEAPOLIS MILLING COMPANY. TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW THE  PROPERTY DEVELOPED, HERE IS THE  1950s FIRE INSURANCE MAP WITH ANNOTATIONS BY STAFF BASED ON A  REVIEW OF BUILDING PERMITS. SO IN 1914, THE ORIGINAL MILLING COMPLEX INCLUDED A WAREHOUSE IN  YELLOW AT THE TOP. A BRICK MILL IN RED JUST BELOW. A STEEL ELEVATOR IN GRAYUST  BELOW THAT AND SIX STEEL GREEN  BINS ALSO SHOWN IN GRAY JUST  BELOW THAT. IN 1924, 13 CONCRETE GREEN BINS  WERE ADDED AT THE SOUTH END IN A BROWN/ANGE COLOR. AS YOU CAN SEE OTHER FEATURES  WERE ADDED TO THE SITE INCLUDING ADDITIONS TO THE BRICK MURAL AND SOME FREE STANDING BUILDINGS OR  STRUCTURES. HERE YOU CAN SEE FOUR AERIAL  PHOTOGRAPHS FROM 1938, 1961,  1983 AND 2023 TO SHOW THE  PROGRESSION OVER TIME. SOME OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS  OR STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN  DEMOLISHED. THAT INCLUDES A PORTION OF THE  ORIGINAL WAREHOUSE ON THE NORTH  END AND FOUR STEEL TANKS WERE  ADDED IN ITS PLACE. A LARGE SHED WAS ALSO BUILT  ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE  PROPERTY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES APPEAR TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR INDIVIDUAL  LANDMARK DESIGNATION UNDER  CRITERIA 1, 3, AND 4. SO THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE HIAWATHA AVENUE CORRIDOR WITH  VARIOUS MILLS ALONG THAT ROAD. UNDER CRITERIA ONE, THE PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH SIGNIFICANT  EVENTS OR PERIODS THAT EXEMPLIFY BROAD PATTERNS OF CULTURAL,  POLITICAL, OR ECONOMIC HISTORY. IT WAS BUILT DING  MINNEAPOLIS'S PEAK PERIOD OF  FLOUR MILLING FROM 1930 TO 1980. IT WAS ALSO BUILT DURING THE  SECOND PERIOD OF GRAIN DEVELOPING SPECIFICALLY ON THE  HIAWATHA AVENUE CORRIDOR. ITAS THE FOURTH OF NINE BUILT  IN THIS CORRIDOR DURING THAT  PERIOD.THE SUBJECT PROPERTY REP  THIS IMPORTANT PERIOD IN THE  CITY'S MILLING HISTORY. AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT,  OTHER DESIGNATED PROPERTIES THAT ARE TIED TO THIS MILLING  INDUSTRY AND INCLUDE GRAIN  ELEVATORS AND/OR SILOS INCLUDE  THE PILLSBURY MILL AND THE  SARASOTA BUILDING. UNDER CRITERION THREE, THE  PROPERTY IS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH DISTINCTIVE ELEMENTS OF  NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY. THIS PROPERTY AND ITS NEIGHBORS  ALONG THE HIAWATHA AVENUE  CORRIDOR ARE VISUAL LANDMARKS  AND HAVE BEEN PRESENT FOR OVER  100YEARS. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE  IN RECENT YEARS WITH THE  DEVELOPMENT OF THE LIGHT RAIL  AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ALONG  THIS CORRIDOR. THERE WAS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CONCENTRATION OF GREEN  -- GRAIN ELEVATORS AND SILOS, BUT MOST OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN  DEMOLISHED. UNDER CRITERION FOUR, THE  PROPERTY EMBODIES THE  DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF   TYPE OR STYLE FOR ITS  CONSTRUCTION FOR ITS STEEL ELEVATOR AND STEEL BINS FROM 1914. THIS REFLECTS THE THIRD  GENERATION OF GRAIN ELEVATOR  DESIGN IN MINNEAPOLIS. AS OF 1920, THERE WERE 68 GRAIN  ELEVATORS IN THE CITY, MANY OF  WHICH HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED. STAFF RECOGNIZED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY  OVER TIME WHICH IS EXPECTEDOR  A WORKING MILL. HOWEVER STAFF FINDS THAT THE  PROPERTY DOES RETAIN SUFFIENT  INTEGRITY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR  LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF ALSO ACKWLEDGES THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED A DIFFERENT  POSITION ON THE SIGNIFICANCE OF  THE SITE IN THEIR APPLICATION  WHICH I IMAGINE THEY WILL  ADDRESS IN THEIR TESTIMONY. THIS SLIDE SHOWS LANGUAGE FROM  THE ORDINANCE ABOUT HOW THE HPC  SHOULD MAKE THEIRECISION  TODAY. IF THE HPC DETERMINES THAT THE  PROPERTY IS NOT A HISTORIC  RESOURCE, THEN YOU WOULD APPROVE THE DEMOLITION. IF HPC DETERMINES THATHE  PROPERTY IS A HISTORIC RESOURCE, THEN YOU WOULD DENY THE  DEMOLITION AND DIRECT STAFF TO  PREPARE A DESIGNATION STUDY OF  THE PROPERTY UNLESS YOU DECIDE  THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS THE  BURDEN OF PROOF REGARDING THE  TWO FINDINGS. FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF A  HISTORIC RESOURCE, 1 OF 2  FINDINGS MUST BE MET AS SHOWN  HERE. THE FIRST IS THAT DESTRUCTION IS NECESSARY TO CORRECT AN UNSAFE  OR DANGEROUS CONDITION ON THE  PROPERTY. DEMOLITION IS NOT NECESSARY  RELATED TO THE CURRENT  STRUCTURAL CONDITION. STAFF ACKNOWLEDGED THERE ARE  ISSUES RELATED TO GRAFFITI,  VANDALS, URBAN EXPLORERS, AND  ASBESTOS, HOWEVER THESE ARE  ISSUES THATAN BE MITIGATED AND HEALTH HAZARDS ALONE ARE N  EVIDENCE OF A DANGEROUS  CONDITION. THERE ARE NO REASONABLE  ALTERNATIVES TO DESTRUCTION  WHICH COULD BE RELATED TO  SIGNIFICANCE, INTEGRITY, OR THE  ECONOMIC VALUE OR USEFULNESS OF  THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THERE ARE NO REASONABLE  ALTERNATES TO DEMOLITION  BECAUSE OF THE COSTS OF  RENOVATION TO RETURN IT TO USE. IT IS NO LONGER NEEDED AS OF  NOW. CURRENY THE PROPERTY OWNER  SPENDS $660,000 EACH YEAR FOR  SECURITY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES ON SITE. DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT,  STAFF CONSIDERED THERE MAY BE  ALTERNATIVESES FOR THE  PROPERTY. WE HAVE A FEW EXAMPLES OF GRAIN  ELEVATOR ADAPTIVE REUSE IN  MINNEAPOLIS. IN THE 1980s, THE GIN ELEVATOR WAS CONVERTED INTO HOUSING SHOWN ON THE TOP OF THIS SLIDE. IN THE 2010S, THE BUNGEE  ELEVATOR COMPLEX WAS CONVERTED  INTO HOUSING ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. WE ALLOWED DEMOLITION OF THE  ELEVATORS AND SILOS BUT  MAINTAINED THE HOUSE. AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS AN  EXAMPLE WHEREHE SILOS HAVE  BEEN MAINTAINED AS AN  INTERPRETIVE PIECE. STAFF ALSO RESEARCHED OTHER  EXAMPLES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS SHOWN HERE. SO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, SOME  ARE UNDER DEVELOPMENT, AND SOME  ARE CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS. POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE USES THAT  WE HAVE HEARD INCLUDE A COMPUTER SERVER FARM, BREWERY, EVENT  SPACE, MUSEUM, COLLABORATIVE  STUDIO AND ART SPACE, CLIMBING  WALLS, HOTELS, HOING, AND A  CANNABIS FARM. THE APPLICANT EXPLORED RETAINING THE MILL AND CONVERTING IT INTO  25 HOUSING UNITS WHILE  DEMOLISHING THE REST OF THE  PROPERTY. THEY ESTIMATE IT WOULD COST  ABOUT $28 MILLION TO IMPLEMENT   ENVIRONMENTAL ABATEMENT, AND  REHABILITATION WHICH WLD MEAN  ABOUT $1.1 MILLION PER UNIT. THIS IS BASED ON THEIR  EXPERIENS AS DEVELOPERS. BUT THEY DID NOT PROVIDE A  DETAILED CONSTRUCTION COST  ESTIMATE OF THE SPECIFIC TASKS  NEEDED FOR A REHABILITATION. IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DEMOLISH  THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD  HOPE TO PROVIDE 240 UNITS, THE  HOUSING UNITS AT AN ESTIMATED  COST PER UNIT OF $400,000. THEY HAVE NOT YET DONE A  DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THIS  SCENARIO AS IT HINGES ON WHETHER OR NOT DEMOLITION IS ALLOWED. SINCE THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE  FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL  REGISTER, STAFF ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HISTORIC TAX CREDITS COULD BE AN OPTION TO OFFSET THE COSTS. AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN BE  CHALLENGING TO ADAPT GREEN SILOS AND ELEVATORS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR  STANDARDS. ULTIMATELY THERE ARE MANY  CHALLENGES TO REUSING PROPERTIES LIKE THIS ONE AND THEY REQUIRE  SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL INVESTMEN. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE  USES FOR THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY,  WE FOUND THEY ARE NOT RSONABLE ALTERNATIVES GIVEN THE HIGH COST TO MAINTAIN OR REHABILITATE THE  BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES FOR NEW USES. IN SUMMY, THESE ARE STAFF  FINDINGS FOR THIS APPLICATION. NUMBER ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE  UNDER LOCAL CRITERION 1, 3, AND  4 AND CONTAINS INTEGRITY TO  CONVEY ITS SIGNIFICANCE. THEREFORE IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR  DESIGNATION AS A HISTORIC  LANDMARK. NUMBER TWO, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS BEEN DETERMINED INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE  NRHP. NUMBER THREE, NO UNSAFE OR  DANGEROUS CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN  PROVEN TO EXIST ON THE PROPERTY. AND NUMBER FOUR, THERE ARE NO  ASONABLE ALTERNATIVES TO THE  DEMOLITION CONSIDERING THE  SIGNIFICANCE, INTEGRITY, AND  ECONOMIC VALUE OR USEFULNESS OF  THE EXISTING BUILDING. CPED RECOMMENDS THAT THE  HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ADOPT STAFF FINDINGS FOR THE  DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC RESOURCE  APPLICATION BY LOUIS ZACHARY OF  THE ZACHARY GROUP INC. FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3501 HIAWATHA AVENUE SUBJECT TO THE  FOLLOWING CONDITION: NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A  MITIGATION PLAN TO STAFF FOR  REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO  RECEIVINGRESERVATION APPROVAL  FOR A WRECKING PERMIT. THE MITIGATION PLAN SHOULD  PROPOSE A METHOD TO DOCUMENTR  RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY OF THE  SITE. AS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT DETERMINED, STAFF HAVE WRITTEN  THIS CONDITION TO GIVE THE  APPLICANT FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE  HOW TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HISTORY. IT COULD BE THROUGH ARE CAV--  ARCHIVAL PHOTOGRAPHS, PERHAPS IT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO  PUBLIC SPACES AT THE FUTURE  DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE JUST POSSIBLE  EXAMPLES. STAFF HAVE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC  COMMENT SINCE THE STAFF REPORT  WAS PLISHED WHICH WAS  DISTRIBUTED TO YOU AT THE START  OF THE MEETING. I'LL PARAPHRASE SOME OF THEIR  REMARKS. THEY ARE A NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE  STREET. THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF NEW  DEVELOPMENT OF THE SI,  ESPECIALLY IF IT INCLUDES  HOUSING, AN OFFICE OR RETAIL  SPACE. THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MILL  RETAINED IN SOME PART OF FASHION TO REPRESENT THE NATURE OF WHAT  WAS ONCE A THRIVING MILL FOR  THIS ISSUE. THEY EXPRESSED NONE OF THE OTHER MILLS ON HIAWATHA AVENUE  INCLUDED THE HISTORIC NATURE OF  THE MILLS. APARTMENTS DOWN THE STREET HAVE  HISTORICAL PHOTOS AND TIMELINES  ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT IT IS  DIFFICULT TO VIEW THE PHOTO  MURALS AND THE INFORMATION IS  NOT ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE  WEBSITE. THEY FELT THE MILLWORKS LOFT AT  34TH STREET EAST A HIAWATHA  DID A GREAT JOB RESTORING THE  BUILDING. A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE. THEY SHARE A CONCERN ABOUT THE  FUTURE NATURE OF HOUSING ON THE  SITE WHICH DOES NOT FALL UNDER  YOUR PURVIEW TODAY. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION  AND I'M HAPPY TO STAY FOR  QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS ALSOERE AND  WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A  PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE  QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER WALLACE. >> THANK YOU. NOT TOTALLY SURE IF THIS IS IN  THE PURVIEW, BUT CURIOUS ABOUT  WHAT STEPS. SAY IS DEMOLITION GOES  THROUGH, WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN IN ORDER  FOR HOUSING TO BE BUILT KIND OF  THINKING ABOUT TIMELINE FOR THAT IN TERMS OF CITY PERMITS? >> CHAIRBJORNBERG, COMMISSIONER WALLACE, IN TERMS OF THE  IMMEDIATE STEPS IF DEMOLITION IS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY F A WRECKING  PERMIT AFTER THE APPEAL PERIOD  HAS PASSED FOR YOUR DECISION. THEY WOULD, IF YOU WERE TO ADOPT THE CONDITION THAT STAFF  RECOMMEND, THEY WOULD HAVE TO  SUPPLY THE MITIGATION PLAN AT  THAT POINT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE  ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FOR A NEW  DEVELOPMENT, PART OF IT DEPENDS  ON THE SCALE OF A PROPOSED  BUILDING. BUT IF THEY ARE ANTIPATING 240 UNITS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT  WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SITE  PLAN REVIEW WITH THE PLANNING  COMMISSION DEPENDING ON IF ANY  VARIANCES ARE NEEDED THAT COULD  BE REVIEWEDY THE PLANNING  COMMISSION OR POSSIBLY THE  ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. ALSO THE APPLICANT DOESN'T  CURRENTLY OWN THE SITE, BUT THAT IS THEIR INTENTION TO ACQUIRE  IT. SO THERE WOULD BE SOME STEPS  NEEDED THAT I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR  WITH, AND I KNOW THERE'S ALSO  SOME ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION  THAT IS NEEDED TO REVIEW THE  SITE. >> THANKS. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE  COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER KARATO. >> YOU MENTIONED THE -- ARE  THERE ANY OTHER GRAIN ELEVATORS  THAT ARE PROTECTED OR DESIGNATED IN THE CITY? >> CHAIR BJORNBERG, COMSSIONER KARATO, THE STAFF DID NOT DO A  COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF ALL  POSSIBLE GRAIN ELEVATORS IN THE  CITY. BUT THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT  CAME TO OUR MINDS AS THE ONES  THAT WERE DESIGNATED. THERE WAS A MIL CALLED THE NEW  CENTURY MILL WHICH WAS  DESIGNATED AS A LOCAL LANDMARK,  BUT IT WAS DEMOLISHED. SO TECHNICALLY IT IS STILL  CONSIDERED A LANDMARK, BUT THERE IS NOT A PROPERTY THAT REFLECTS  THAT DESIGNATION ANYMORE. >> THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM  COMMISSIERS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS  MITIGATION PLAN. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HPC CAN  SAY OKAY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE  DOCUMENTATION, I WOULD LOVE TO  SEE PUBLIC INTERPRETATION, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A WEBSITE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD  NEED TO WRITE INTO HERE OR IS  THAT SOMETHING THA STAFF WOULD  BE ABLE TO DO ON THEIR OWN AS  PART OF THAT? AND IS THIS A CONDITION THAT'S  BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE  APPLICANT? >> CHAIR BJORNBERG, I'LL START  AT THE END AND WORK MY WAY BACK  THROUGH YOUR QUESTIONS. STAFF HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS  CONDITN WITH THE APPLICANT. SO I WOULD WELCOME YOU TO ASK  QUESTIONS OF THEM DURING THE  TIME IN TERMS OF WHAT MIGHT BE  FEASIBLE, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE  INTERESTEDN DOING. THE HPC IS ALLOWED TO MODIFY  THAT CONDITION TO SPECIFY  SPECIFIC FORMS OF MITIGATION AS  YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF CHOSE TO KEEP IT GENERAL  AT THIS POINT. BY COMPARISON, A RECENT DEMO OF  HISTORIC RESOURCE APPLICATION  THAT YOU ALL REVIEWED WAS 3800  3rd AVENUE SOUTH WHICH HAD A  PLANOR A NEW BUILDING. SO THEY KNEW THEY LIKED THE  INTERPRETIVE PANEL, THEY HAD A SPOT FOR IT ON THE FIRST FLOOR  OF THEIR BUILDING AND THAT  SEEMED TO MAKE MORE SENSE GIVEN  THAT THIS PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE  A FULLY REALIZED DEVELOPMENT  PLAN IN PLACE. STAFF WAS JUST BEING CAUTIOUS IN TERMS OF HOW THE FORM OF  MITIGATION WOULD TAKE PLACE  WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE FUTURE  OF THIS SITE WILL LOOK LIKE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM  COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, THANK YOU. I WILL NOW OPEN T PUBLIC  HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS  HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IF SO, PLEASE COME TO THE  MICROPHONE AND STAKTE YOUR NAME  AND ADDRESS FOR THE CORD. >> LOUIS ZACHARY WITH ZACHARY  CONSTRUCTION. I'LL JUST START RIGHT IN IF THAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL. WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? 3501 HIAWATHA? OH EAST 82nd STREET, THAT'S OUR  BUSINESS ADDRESS. I REALLY DIDN'TANT TO SPEAK,  BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. IT'S KINDF IRONIC AS WE'VE  LOOKED AT THIS SITE.OUR FAMILY   FAMILY AND IT'S KIND OF  INTERESTING -- AND THE REASON I  BRING THAT UP IS OUR FAMILY WAS  DISPLACED WHEN THE '94 FREEWAY . THE IRONY IS I ACTUALLY BUILT  THE RONDO COMMEMORATIVE PLAZA  YEARS LATER, COMMEMORATING THE  NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS LOST TO  THAT. I ALSO BUILT THE MLK MORIAL AS WELL. SO IN TERMS OF ACKNOWLEDGING THE HISTORY, I GET IT AND I RESPECT  IT AND I UNDERSTAND IT. MY FORMAL REQUEST WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE CONDITIONS FROM THE  DEMOLITION AND I'LL TELL YOU  WHY. WE ALREADY HAD A PLAN FOR THIS  PROJECT TO DO SOMHING SIMILAR  LIKE RONDO AVENUE WHICH WOULD BE A COMMEMORATIVE -- ACTUALLY I  THOUGHT ABOUT DOING IT ON THE  CORNER FACING THE REET. MY CONCERN THAT I HAVE ABOUT  PUTTING TOO MANY CONDITIONS ON  TOP OF IT,T IS OUR INTENTION  TO GET THE BUILDING DOWN. THE REASON WE DON'T WANT TO  LEAVE IT UP BECAUSE THE COST OF  SECURITY IS HIGHLY EXPENSIVE. AND BY GETTING IT DOWN, WE JUST  MITIGATE ALL OF PEOPL BREAKING  IN, WE CAN GET RID OF ALL OF THE SPRAY PAINT, WE CAN ELIMINATE  THAT AND THEN DEVELOPMENT ALONG  THE WAY. ONE OPTION I WOULD ASK IS THAT  PUTTING IN THE CONDITION OF THE  NEW DEVELOPMENT, DON'T PUTT IN THE CONDITION OF THE DEMOLITION. OUR PLANS ARE WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE BUILDING ANYWAY IN ORDER  TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND OUR PLAN FOR THE SITE IS WE  ARE GOING TO DO SOME FORM OF  HOUSING AND IT WILL HAVE AN  AFFORDAB COMPONENT TO IT. HAVE WE FULLY BAKED IT? WE HAVEN'T. WE'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF  THAT. I'VE PERSONALLY LOOKED AT THE  BUILDING ITSELF. I'VE LOOKED AT CAN WE RETAIN  PART OF IT? ERE'S TOO MUCH RISK INVOLVED  IN THAT AS A DEVELOPER TO DO  THAT. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE'RE NOT I  $2 MILLION RISK IF SOMETHING  COMES FALLINGUT OF THOSE  BUILDINGS. SECOND, I'LL TELL YOU THOSE  GRAIN ELEVATORS, TY'RE NOT  THAT BIG SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT  WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THEM. SOME OF THE GRAIN ELEVATORS  HISTORICALLY IN THIS TOWN HAVE  BEEN MUCH, MUCH LARGER GRAIN  ELEVATORS THAT YOU COULD  ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH. THESE ARE FAIRLY SMALL, FAIRLY  THIN. THE STEEL ONES ARE TINY BY  COMPARISON. SO JUST FROM A DEVELOPME  PERSPECTIVE, I GET IT, BUT IT'S  BEST FOR US TO DO A  COMMEMORATIVE POCKET PARK  SOMEWHERE ON THAT SITE, THAN  HAVE SOMHING THAT WE SPENT A  TON OF MONEY ON THAT'S NOT  EFFICIT. IT'S NOT EFFICIENT  ENVIRONMENTALLY, IT'S NOT GOING  TO BE EFFICIENT BY CODE. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GIVE US  THE NUMBER OF UNITS TT WE  WANT. I ALSO DID A STUDY, AND I WILL  CORRECT SOME OF MY MATH, BUT  IT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL. THAT COULD GO UP TO A LOT OF  UNITS BUT YOU'LL GET A LOT OF  EFFICIENCIES AND SINGLES. IN MY MIND WHATEVER YOU BUILD,  YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT FOR  FAMILIES. NOT JUST YOUNG FOL WHO ARE  LIVING BY THEMSELVES. THAT HAS A HIGHER IMPACT AND  I'LL TELL YOU THAT' GOING TO BE THE TREND OF THE WAY THINGS ARE  GOING TO GO IS YOU'RE GOING TO  HAVE MORE UNITS. MORE UNITS REQUIRE MORE SPACE  WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS EFFICIENCY. AND THAT FLOUR MILL BUILDING  JUST DOESN'T DO IT COUPLED WITH  THE FACT IT'S GOING TO BE  EXPENSIVE TO TRY AND PUT UNITS  IN THAT EXISTING BUILDING. DID I FORGET ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE  QUESONS OF ME? >> IF YOU'RE DONE I CAN ASK  QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE  QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER THOMAS. >> HI, I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS ON  WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP FOR  REHABILITATION OF THAT BUILDING DID YOU CONSIDER THE TAX CREDITS THAT YOU COULD RECEIVE ON THAT  REHABILITATED PORTION OF THE  BUILDING IN YOUR MATH? >> YEAH, WE DID TO A CERTAIN  EXTENT. GETS DOWN TO AN ISSUE OF TIMING. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT THE NUMBER  ONE CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS THE  LONGER THE THING STAYS UP, THE  HIGHER THE COST GOES AND THEN  THE ECONOMICS OF THE DEAL START  TO ERODE. KEEP IN MIND THAT ADM SPENDS  ABOUT HALF A MILLION A YEAR ON  SECUTY ON THAT SITE. THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE, NOTOR  US. WE CAN'T DO IT. SO TRE'S AN URGENCY OF GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE N TAKE IT  DOWN. IF THE BUILDING DOESN'T COME  DOWN, THEN ADM'S GOT A MASSIVE  PROBLEM ON THEIR HANDS. >> COMMISSIONER WALLACE. >> THANK YOU.I HAVE A QUESTION   REMEDIATION. I KNOW YOU'VE LOOKED INTO THAT  ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT. CAN YOU GIVE US SOME DETAILS  ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE HEARD IS  REQUIRED, HOW LONG THAT WOULD  TAKE, WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS  ON THAT ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT? >> WE'RE STILL IN THE  INVESTIGATION PART OF THE  PROJECT RIGHT NOW. IT'S CONTAMINATED, THERE'S NO  DOUBT ABOUT IT. OLD DIEL TANKS ARE IN THE  GROUND. PRELIMINARY REPORTS THERE IS A  PETROLEUM ODOR IN THE GROUND. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXTENT  IS. BUT WHAT I'VE PLANNED FOR IS  WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO  TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 7 TO 10  CORNER TO CORNER. THAT'S A LOT. BUT IF WE DO ANYTHING THAT'S  GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, 'RE GOING TO HAVE A GARAGE  BELOW ANYONE HAS TO COME OUT. WE WILL HAVE TO GET GRANTS TO DO IT, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG FACTOR  IN THE COST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT GUARANTEED, IT'S BEEN THERE  A LONG TIME, THERE'S AN OLD  GLASS COMPANY THAT WAS THERE. IT'S GOTOT OF HISTORY. YOU JUST HAVE TO PLAN ON FINDING SOMETHING IN THE GROUND. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM  COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> DO YOU KNOW THE SQUARE  FOOTAGE OF THE MILL? >> NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IF I GAVE YOU A NUMBER, I MIGHT  BE OFF. SO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. >> THANKS. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM  COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER WALLACE. >> SORRY, JUST TOOLLOW UP ON  THE NUMBER OF UNITS. I BELIEVE THE CITY STAFF  MENTIONED, THE GOAL AT THE  MOMENT ANYWAY OR THE IDEA WOULD  BE THAT IT WOULD BE 240 UNITS. IS THAT AROUND -- >> YOU CAN GO FAIRLY HIGH BASED  ONHE CITY CODE. SO YES, YOU COULD GET THAT  FAIRLY EASILY. >> OKAY. AND I KNOW THIS IS EARLY STAGES  SO I'M JUST SORT OF -- WHAT MIX  UNITS ARE YOU LOOKING THAT WOULD SUPPORT A UNIT? IS THERE A MIX THAT YOU IMAGINE  WOULD BE IN PLACE? >> CAN'T ANSWER THAT YET. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YO >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM  COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER BOOTE. >> HI. IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION THAT  YOU MENTIONED, IT SOUNDS LIKE  YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SOME SORT  OF INTERPRETIVE PART OF IT  FUTURE DOWN THE LINE AND SOUNDS  LIKE IT'SERY EARLY IN THE  PROCESS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN  FOR THAT. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OTHERORMS  OF JUST DOCUMENTATION OF THE  SITE THAT MIGHT NOT INCLUDE AN  INTERPRETIVE PANEL AS A PART OF  LIKE A MITIGATION OF DOCUMENTING THE SITE IN TERMS OF ITS  PHYSICAL STATE RIGHT NOW? >> YOU KNO WHEN I THINK OF THE INTERPRETIVE DOCUMENTATION,  AGAIN I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO  THE RONDO PLAZA JUST BECAUSE  THAT WAS A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE DO  TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK WE'RE BOTH KIND OF  THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES. THAT WAS A SIZABLE PARK, I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO ONE QUITE THAT BIG. BUT IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY  TO TE A LOOK AT IT, I WOULD  SUGGEST TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BECAUSE THAT'S KIN OF WHAT I  HAVE IN MIND. IT ALLOWS DO IT ON THE FRONT  SIDE ON HIAWATHA, NOT ON THE  BACK ON AN ALLEYWAY. DO IT IN THE SPIRIT OF MAKING  SURE PEOPLE CAN FEEL THE  CONNECTION TO THE PAST. THAT'S MY IDEA. I THINK PUTTING IT IN THE BACK  IS JUST A BAD IDEA. AND FRANKLY, I DON'T LIKE  PUTTING IT IN THE BUILDING  EITHER BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. WHATEVER WE WOULD DO HAS TO BE  VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. >> THANK YOU. >>YEP. >> COMMISSIONER THOMAS. >> AS PART OF THE CONDITION ON  THE MITIGATION, HAVE YOU  CONSIDERED LEAVING ANY PORTIONS  OF THE SITE EXISTING TO SHOW  THAT MITIGATION OR EVEN A FACADE OF ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS JUST  TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE  INCORPORATED INTO YOUR NEW PLAN  THAT YOU DON'T HAVE YET? >> I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE THOUGHT  ABOUT IT. AND THERE'S ASPECTS OF IT THAT  SCARE ME FROM A COST POSITION. I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A  BUILDER AND AS A DEVELOPER AND  AS A DESIGNER AND MAKING THE  SITE MAINTAIN SOME DEGREE OF  BALANCE AND A HIGH LEVEL OF  FIRST  EFFICIENCY. THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE SITE WAS DESIGNED TO BE A  MILL AND DESIGNED TO BE A  MANUFACTURING SITE,OT A  HOUSING SITE. SO MY CONCERN WITH KEEPING  ELEMENTS OF THAT IS THAT IT  STARTS TO DRIVE YOUR DENSITY  DOWN AND THEN YOUR LAND POSITION STARTS TO GO UP. I WOULD SAY IT'S EASIER TO BLANK SLATE, GET IT CLEAN AND THEN  OFFER SOMETHING THAT'S FRESH IN  THE COMMUNITY THAT'S OF HIGHER  DENSITY AND BETTER USAGE. >> THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM  COMMISONERS? OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE  AGAINST THIS APPLICATION? IF SO, PLEASETEP FORWARD AND  STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR  THE RECORD. >> JOEL ALVAREZ. ADDRESS IS 35005TH AVENUE  SOUTH. AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WIT  THE PERSON FROM THE CPED WAS  SAYI ABOUT THE VARIOUS  HISTORIC, THE SEVEN HISTORIC  CRITERIA FOR MAINTAINING THE  HISTORIC SITE AND HISTORIC  PRESERVATION. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING MORE  HISTORIC THAN THESE MILLS AND  THE PEOPLEHAT WORKED IN THESE  MILLS. AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT  THIS IS BEFORE THERE WERE LABOR  LAWS. IT'S REALLY THE STORY OF WHAT  PUTINNEAPOLIS ON THE MAP.PRIMAR  IMMIGRATION AND SETTLEMENT TO  MINNEAPOLIS IN THE 1870s. AND SO THE BUILDING ITSELF, IT'S THE GRAIN ELEVATORS, IT'S THE  SILOS AND ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. BUT IT'S ALSO THE STORY OF THE  PEOPLE WHO SWEATED BLOOD IN  THESE BUILDINGS. I THINK WE CAN DO ANY MITIGATION THAT'S NECESSARY IN TERMS OF,  IT'S REALLY AN UNTOLD OR UNDER  TOLD STORY HERE. AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT WE HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT. I UNDERSTAND ARCHITECTS AND  FAMOUS ARCHITECTS AND ALL THAT. BUT LET'S HE SOMETHING THAT  REALLY TELLS THIS STORY. BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THIS  COMMUNITY AND IMMIGRATION THAT  PUT MINNEAPOLIS ON E MAP. AND NOW IT'S TIME TO PUT THAT  HISTORY ON THE MAP AND REMEMBER  IT AND NEVER FORGET IT AND YOU  CAN DO IT IT'S NOTHINGOMPARED  TO THE AMOUNT OF -- I MEAN  FRANKLY IT WAS APPALLING  CONDITIONS THAT THESE PEOPLE  WORKED UNDER. IT REALLY WAS. NOT JUST THE WORKING CONDITIONS, WHO KNOWS WHAT. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT WHAT MILLS  WERE LIKE WITH DUST AND THESE  KINDS OF THINGS. SO I'M GOING TO BE EMPHATICALLY  IN FAVORF HISTORIC  PRESERVATION, COMPLETE HISTORIC  PRESERVATION ANDDAPTIVE REUSE. AND FRANKLY, UPSCALE APARTMENT  BUILDINGS THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT  GOING DOWN HIAWATHA THAT GO FROM TO ST. ANTHONY FALLS. IT'S GOING RIGHT DOWN THAT  CORRIDOR. IF PEOPLE DIDN'T STAY IN THEIR  HOMES, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE  OVER THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE. AND IT'S STARTING TO. AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM. WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE IN  MINNEAPOLIS ESPECIALLY, WE'RE  NUMBER ONE IN THE COURY IN  AFRICAN AMERICANS, NATIVE  AMERICANS AND PROBABLY LATIN  AMERICANS WHO HAVE TO RENT, WHO DO NOT OWN A HOME. WE ALL KNOW THE STATISC, FOR  WHITE PEOPLE IT'S 75% OF PEOPLE  WHO OWN HOMES. FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR IT'S ONLY  25%. AND MOST OF THE RENTING THAT  GOES ON IS DOWN HIAWATHA AND  MINNIEHAHA. SO WE NEED TO PRESERVE THESE  BUILDINGS AND HAVE THEM ADAPTIVE REUSE. AND I THINK A LOT OF THE  PROPOSAL THAT WE SAW EARLIER  TODAY SHOW THAT THIS CAN BE  DONE. AND WE HAVE HISTORIC  PRESERVATION. I MEAN THE PEOPLE WHO -- YOU  KNOW THE WASHBURNS AND THE  PILLSBURYS AND I'M GLAD WE HAVE  A HISTORIC DISTRICT OF THE  MANSIONS. I WAS JUST TOURING THAT A FEW  MONTHS AGO NEAR THE ART MUSEUM  DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE ALL OF THESE, IT'S  SOTHING LIKE 5 OR 7 HUGE  MANSIONS OF THE PILLSBURYSND  THE PEOPLE WHO BECAME VERY  WEALTHY FROM THIS. BUT IT'S JUST TIME TO HONOR THE  PEOPLE, AND IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, AND THEIR STORY JUST HAS TO BE PRESERVED  AND THERCHITECTURE OF IT HAS  TO BE PRESERVED. AND IT'S NOT JUST AN AFFORDABLE  COMPONENT OF HOUSING. AND I AM EMPHASIZING HOUSING  HERE AND ADAPTIVE REUSE. AND AGAIN WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING  DOWN THIS CORRIDOR. I MEAN FRANKLY I DON'T THINK  IT'S A OVERSTATEMENT TO SAY  THAT WE'RE BEING INVADED BY  SCALE AND HIGH-END AND LUXURY  APARTMENTS THAT IS, IT'S NOT  GEARED TOWARDS SOLVING  HOMELESSNESS AT ALL. WE KNOW WHO THE DEVELOPERS ARE  MARKETING TOWARDS. THEY'RE MARKETING TOWARDS PEOPLE WHO ARE WELL EDUCATED AND WHO  CAN PAY REALLY HIGH RENTS TO  THESE PLACES. SO ADAPTIVE REUSE, HISTORIC  PRESERVATION, AND I WOULD SAY  HOUSING IF WE ALL MOVEOWARDS  HOUSING AS A HUMAN RIGHT BASED  ON NEED, IF WE DON'T DO  SOMETHING -- THIS IS A ROOT  CAUSE PROBLEM THAT IF WE DON'T  SOLVE IT, MY FEAR IS THAT THE  CITY IS GOING TO BURN AGAIN. OKAY? LOOK I WORK AT ONE OF THE FEW  INDEPENDENT PHARMACIES LEFT IN  THE CITY AT HIGH LAKE. AND I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING  THERE. AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD MURDER  AND UPRISING OUR PHARMACY WAS  DESTROYED. AFTER THE MURR OF DANTE WRIGHT OUR STUFF WAS STROYED. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS STUFF  HAPPEN AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS  HAPPENING IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO HAVE TO HAVE YOUR KIDS  HA WAFTING TEAR GAS COMING  THROUGH YOUR WINDOW. AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A HUGE  TEST HERE AND I HOPE WE PASS THIS TEST. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF  THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK? >> NO QUESTIONS? >> NOPE. WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE  JUST TAKE YOUR COMNTS. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> YEAH, STEPHEN ZACHARY WIT THE ZACHARY GROUP. ALSO LOCATED AT 2626 82nd STREET INBLOOMINGTON. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A  RESPONSE TO KIND OF THE  COMMENTARY TT WAS JUST STATED. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND AND IT WAS  ACTUALLY KIND OF OUTLINED  SOMEWHAT IN OUR REPORT. AND I BELIEVE THE COMMENT THAT  WAS JUST RAISED IS EXTREMELY  WELL INTENTIONED. BUT WHAT I'LL SUBMIT TO YOU IS  ONE, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD ENOUGH  PRESERVATION OF THE MILLING  HISTORY. I DON'T THINWE NEED TO EXTOL  OR GLORIFY FURTHER THE  EXPLOITATION THAT'S KIN OF  TAKEN PLACE AT THESE MILLS. NOT JUST OF NATIVE AMERICANS,  NOT JUST OF THE FARMERS, NOT  JUST OF THE AFRICAN AMERICANS  THAT WEREN'T ALLOWED IN THE  MILL, RIGHT. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO WORK ON TH RAILS. AND SO WHAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU  IS, THIS IS FEBRUARY, RIGHT? IT'S BLACK HISTORY MONTH. IT'S A TIME FOR US TO  CELEBRATE -- HE HAS 32 YEARS OF  CONSTRUCTION EXPERIENCE. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD HERE  IS EFFECTIVELY A DEVELOPME  WITH BLACK DEVELOPERS, BLACK  CONSTRUCTION, BLACK TRADES. AND HOPEFULLY SOLVE SOME OF THE  HOUSG CHALLENGES THAT WAS KIND OF ILLUMINATED IN TERMS OF  CONCERN. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO NOT JUST THINK ABOUT THE  HISTORY THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE  WHICH I WOULD SAY HAS BEEN  PRESERVED SUFFICIENTLY IN OUR  CITY. BUT ALSO THINK FORWARD ABOUT THE HISTORY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY  TRYING TO CREATE WITH A NEW  DEVELOPMENT AT THIS PARTULAR  SITE. LOUIS WHO IS THE TECHNICAL  PERSON, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF  CONSTRUCTION, I'M MORE THE  VISIONARY PERSON OF WHERE I  THINK WE COULD TAKE THIS  PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THIS  PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION. SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE  SURE THAT I RESPOND TO THE KIND  OF CONCERN ESPECIALLY T POINTS INTIMATED PREVIOUSLY  SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO WHAT I  WOULD HEAR AS WANTING TO  PRESERVE OR WRITE HISTORY WHEN  SOMEONE SAYS SCANDINAVIANS BUILT THIS CITY. I THOROUGHLY OBJECT TO THAT  PARTICULAR STATEMENT ALTHOUGH  IT'S PROBABLY WELL INTENDED,  RIGHT. THE MILLING HISTORY OF COURSE  DID ESTABLISH AN ECONOMIC  IMPORTANCE TO THIS CITY. BUT IT WASN'T DONE WITHOUT THE  EXPLOITATI AND SUBJUGATION OF  MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS,  ESPECIALLY IN THAT LONGFELLOW  COMMUNITY. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  WE UNDERSTAND THAT HISTORY IS IMPORTANT TO US. WE'RE BOTH FROM THE RONDO  COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ERYONE  INVOLVED WITH THISARTICULAR  DEVELOPMENT. AND WE HAVE A PRETTY WELL  THOUGHT OUT PLAN IN OUR MIND  CONSIDERG THAT LOUIS DEVELOPED THE RONDO COMMEMORATIVE PLAZA TO COMMEMORATE THE HISTORY ALREADY. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE KIND OF MORE OF THE VISION AND RESPOND  TO WHAT I INTERPRETED AS A  DESIREO PRESERVE WHITE HISTORY AND WHITE EXPLOITATION. THANKS. QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ARE THER ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF  THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE  PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, LET'S DISCUSS COMMISSIONER LLACE. >> I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE  THOUGHTFULNESS WITH WHICH THIS  PROJECT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THE  COMMISSION TODAY. I'LL BE JUST COMPLETELY FRANK  ABOUT MY OWN THOUGHTS ON THIS IS THAT I CAN SEE THE PURPOSE, BUT  I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOT  BEING A FULL HOUSING PLAN IN  PLACE. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE  ISN'T, THAT'S NOT A DIG IN ANY  WAY. BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IF THE  ECONOMIC REALITIES CHANGE WITHIN A YEAR AND THE PROPERTY IS  DEMOLISHED THAT IT JUST BECOMES  A SITE THAT NO ONE CAN BUILD ON  FOR A WHILE, LIKE A BLIGHTED  SITE. SO THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY THOUGHTS ARE AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  WALLACE. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> THANKS. YEAH, I'VE WORKED ON A FEW  DIFFERENT HISTORIC PROJECTS. I WORKED ON ML, I WORKED ON  SCHMIDT, ST. PAUL, I WORKED ON  THE MILLWORK LOFTS JUST DOWN THE BLOCK. I THINK THE BLANK SLATE APPROACH FEELS SO HEAVY HANDED  PERSONALLY. AND I THINK ANY DESIGNER, ANY  ARCHITT, YOU STRIVE FOR THOSE  CONSTRAINTS AND THOSE  OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITHIN A  FRAMEWORK, TO UTILIZE SOMETHING  THAT'S EXISTING. SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS  SCANDINAVIANS WORKING THERE,  AFRICAN AMERICANS WORKING THERE  IN THE YARD, THE BUILDING EXISTS RIGHT NOW. IT'S A TANGIBLE THING. AND IT DOES, IT'S HELD AS SORT  OF A VISUAL LANDMARK AND  SOMETHING THAT WE SEE, OUR  SCHOOL BUS GOING BY ON THE WAY  TO SANDFORD MIDDLE SCHOOL WN  WE WERE KIDS. AND SO IT'S THERE, IT EXISTS,  IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD  LEVERAGE RATHER THAN THE  EMBODIED RESOURCES OF FULLY  BUILDING NEW. SO I'M REAL HESITANT AND I'M  REAL CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS IDEA OF THIS BLANK SLATE APPROACH  BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE  TRENCHES FIGURING OUT HOW TO  REUSE THESE BUILDINGS BEFORE. AND THERE ARE FINANCIAL VEHICLES TO DO SO. I DIDN'T FEEL ENTIRELY CONVINCED THAT THE FINANCIAL BURDEN HAS  BEEN FULLY DEMONSTRATED AT LEAST NOT NOW. I DON'T KNOW H MANY SQUARE  FEET THIS THING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REALLY ONLY GET 50  UNITS. ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER SITE LEFT OVER LIKE BEYOND THE ML. SO DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO GO? ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN  THIS SITE TO GET, YOU CAN GET  200 UNITS OVER THERE AND 50  UNITS OVER HERE. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT MORE  INFORMATION. THANKS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  ALEXANDER. COMMISSIONER THOMAS. >> I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT LA. I THINK THE BLANK SLATE APPROAC. I AM OKAY WITH A MITIGATION  PLAN, BUT I WANT TO SEE THAT  PLAN AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE  SOME PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING OR THE SITE TO REMAIN AND BE PART  OF THE NEW DESIGN. EVEN JUST A FACADE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW  THOSE COSTS COME OUT WHEN YOU  APPLY STATE AND FEDERAL HISTORIC X CREDITS, IF YOU HAVE ANY  OTHER LOW INCOME HOUSING CREDITS OR BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT  CREDITS THAT CAN BE STACKED ON  P. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAN  HELP WORK TOGETHER TO  REHABILITA THOSE COSTS OF  MITIGATION. I'M DEFINITELY NOT FOR A BLANKET DEMOLITION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARTS OF THE BUILDING PRESERVED IN A CREATIVE WAY. THANKS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  THOMAS. ONE THING I WANT TO ADD AND I  KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER KARATO IS NE IS THAT THE APPLICATION  BEFORE US IS FOR A DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC RESOURCE AND SO I JUST  WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE  SORT OF FOCUSED ON WHAT WE ARE  DISCUSSING TODAY. ANDY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE  ARE EITHER HERE TO RECOMMEND  APPROVAL OR OVERTURN WITH A  REASON WHICH WOULD THEN KICK OFF A DESIGNATION STUDY. COMMISSIONER KARATO. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG. I GUESS MY CONCERN IS ONE, THIS  CITY COMING FROM THE AIRPORT YOU RIDE A LIGHT RAIL OR DRIVE IN  AND YOU SEE THESE GRAIN MILLS. AND TO ME, MINNEAPOLIS BECAME  KNOWN AS A MILL CITY. THIS IS A PART OF ITS HISTORY. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S GLORIFYING  THAT HISTORY PER SE, BUT THAT  IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT, IT'S A  DIFFICULT HISTORY THAT NEEDS TO  BE ACKNOWLEDGED. AND FOR ME GROWING UP, I LIVED  NE THE 12th AVENUE GRAIN MILLS WHICH I MOVED AWAY, I GREW UP  WITH THOSE AND IT WAS AS A  CHILD, A RECOGNITION OF  PILLSBURY AND GENERAL MILLS AND  THE MILLS AROUND THIS CITY WERE  INTERCONNECTED. SO IT WAS A REALLY PHYSICAL  REMINDER OF THE HISTORY OF THE  CITY. AND HAVING SEEN IT GONE, IT'S  BEEN EXTREMELY JARRING FOR ME  PERSONALLY. EVEN WHEN I MOVED UP TO THE  SUBURBS, IT WAS ON THE DRIVE IN  TO THE CITY AND IT WAS PART OF THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF A STRONG  PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE CITY. SO I HATE TO S ALL OF IT GONE, I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I THINK  IT'S DIFFICULT TO RETAIN ALL OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE  STRUCTURES. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AT LEAST SOME EFFORT TO KEEP SOME OF IT. BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WHEN WE  DEMOLISH ALL OF THESE, AT WHAT  POINT IS THAT HISTORY LOST WOULD BE A QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  KARATO. I WOD ALSO SORT OF ADD I  ACTUALLY GREW UP IN THIS  NEIGHBORHOOD SO I AM VERY, VERY  FAMILIAR WITH THESE AND WERE A  PART OF EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY  LIFE. AND I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING  ABOUT WHEN THE PURINA WAS NEXT  TO IT, HOW I COULD SMELL DOG  FOOD ALL THE ME. AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT IN MY  PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY I  ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND HOW  CHALLENGING IT IS TO WORK WITH  GRAIN ELEVATORS SPECIFICALLY AND TRESPASSERS AND EXPLORERS JUST  LOVE THESE STRUCTURES. SO I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND SORT  OF THE EVERYDA TOLL EMOTIONALLY AND MONETARY THAT IT TAKES TO  PRESERVE THESE STRUCTURES AND TO KEEP THEM STANDING.I THINK THAT  PERSPECTIVE, IT FEELS A LITTLE  BIT LIKE PREMATURE THAT THIS IS  COMING FORWARD BECAUSE I DO  THIN THAT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE  HAVE BEEN SAYING IS SORT OF  MAKING THIS POINT ABOUT NOT  UNDERSTANDING COULD TS  STRUCTURE BE REHABILITATED. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS  THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT ABOUT IS A DISPUTE AGAINST ITS  HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL SORT OF  ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT IS A  IMPORTANT LANDMARK WITHIN THE  CITY. AND IT HAS IMPORTANCE  HISTORICALLY. AND SO TRYING TO THINK ABOUT IF  THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO REUSE  THESE STRUCTURES OR INTEGRATE  THEM DIFFERENTLY FEELS LIKE IT  WOULD HAVE BEEN A HELPFUL  INFORMATION AT THIS POINT TO BE  ABLE TO SORT OF, I GUESS I WOU SAY STOMACH APPROVING A  DEMOLITION OR A PARTIAL  DEMOLITION. THAT BEING SAID, I APPRECIATE  THE SORTF EFFORT THAT STAFF  HAVE MADE ABOUT THE MITIGATION  PLAN I THINK THAT IF THAT IS  SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TO LOOK  AT, I WOULD WANT TO BE A LITTLE  BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT MAKING  SURE THAT IT DID INCLUDE  DOCUMENTATION AND ALSO SOME SORT OF PUBLIC INTERPRETATION  COMPONENT. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER BOOTE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG. I'M GOI TO ECHO YOUR THOUGHTS  HERE AND KIND OF SUMMARIZE. I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I THINK , THAT THE STAFF FINDING, IT'S  ELIGIBLE FOR POTENTIAL LANDMARK  DESIGNATION IS ACCURATE. I THINK WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING  NOW IS THAT THOSE CONDITIONS TO  BE MET FOR THE DEMOLITION OF  THIS RESOURCE WHICH INCLUDES  THAT ECONOMIC PROVISION AND I  THINK THAT IT MAKES A LOT OF  SENSE THE WAY THAT THE APPLICANT IS APPROACNG THIS I THINK FROM THEY'RE NOT OWNERS OF THE SITE. THEY'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND HAVING A FULL STUDY  DONE IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE AND  GOING THROUGH THOSE COSTS THAT  MIGHT NOT BE RECOUPED LATER. AND THE ESTIMATES AND THE  NUMBERS I THINK THAT'S MAYBE  WHERE MY QUESTIONS COME IN OF I  JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT REFERENCED  THAT AGAINST. 1.1 LLION A UNIT IS A LOT. AND I THINK FROM THE REASONABLE  ALTERNATIVES THAT E STAFF HAD  THROWN UP THERE, THERE'S  OBVIOUSLY DEMOLITION THAT'S IN  PART OF THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT  MITIGATION PLAN COMES IN. SO I'M CONSIDERING HAVING THE -- ENTRY AS PART OF THAT AS WELL. SO I THINK THE WAY THAT STAFF  WROTE THAT MITIGATION CLAUSE  MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR WHAT  WE'RE FEELING IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SOME PLAN IN  PLACE TO BE DETERMINED. I'LL OPEN IT UP TO SEE OTHERS  THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT  LOOK LIKE. BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING I WANTED  TO MENTION AS WELL. I'M VERY COMFORTABLE -- AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  BOOTE. COMMISSIONER WALLACE. >> THANK YOU. I THINK ALONG THOSE LINES IF  THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD WH THE CONDITION AROUND MITIGATION THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE SOME  KIND OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL COMPONENT TO THAT WHERE GIVEN HOW LG THE SITE HAS BEEN THERE, WE'RE  LIKELY TO FIND SOME  ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESOURCES,  WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE  SIGNIFICANT, WEOULDN'T KNOW  RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT WOULD BE A CRITICAL  COMPONENT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  WALLACE. I HAD A SIMILAR THOUGHT AND  WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS MORE  APPROPRIATE IN THE DEMOLITION  PHASE OR IN TH FUTURE  CONSTRUCTION PHASE ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS IDEAS OF BLDING  UNDERGROUND PARKING LIKE I WOULD BUDGET ACCORDINGLY FOR THE  POTENTIAL HISTORIC RESOURCES. COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG. THE WAY THAT THE STATUTES ARE  WRITTEN A A COUPLE OF THINGS  AND I'D JUST LIKE TO KIND OF  BRING IT BACK TO THE QUESTION  BEFORE US IS DEMOLISHING THE  BUILDING. ECONOMIC REUSE IS IN THE  MITIGATIONS ACCORDING TO THE  STAFF'S PRESENTATION. BECAUSE OF THAT, I TNK WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE  THAT WAS PART OF THE REASONING  FOR STAFF MAKING THEIR  RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE  DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING. I COULD TELL YOU WITH THE BUNGEE PROJECT, THE SILOS PROVED TO BE  COMPLETELY UNTENABLE FOR REUSE  IN ANY ECONOMIC SENSE. THE WASHBURN COMPLEX WHERE MY  FIRM LED MY PROJECT, I DIDN'T  WORK ON IT, BUT I KNOW THAT THE  GRAIN ELEVATORS THERE ARE  COMPLETELY EMPTY. AND THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THE  HISTORIC SOCIETY DEVELOPED THAT  AND A PRIVATE DEVELOPER IS NOT  GOING TO BE ABLE TO LVE A BIG  PIECE OF THE BUILDING AS A  HISTORICAL REMNANT WITH NO  PURPOSE GOING FORWARD. SO I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, THE FACT THAT  THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL, LIKELY  SUBSTANTIAL SUB SURFACE  ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION  NEEDING TO BE DE IS A STRONG  CONSIDERATION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T  BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON A  SITE THAT HAS TOXIC SOILS. SO ALL THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED  WHICH WOULD MAKE REUSE OF THE  EXISTING BUILDINGS DIFFICULT  BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO REMOVE IT  ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FACE OF  TH BUILDING AND POTENTIALLY I  THINK EVEN UNDERNEATH IT BEFORE  THOSE BUILDINGS WHICH WOULD MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO DIG OUT, YOU'D  HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE FLOOR AND  THEN DIG OUT AND EXCAVATE AROUND THE FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS. IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT PROJECT  AND I WORKED ON SOME OF THEM,  NOT HERE BUT IN WASSAW,  WISCONSIN. SO I BUY INTO THE ARGUMENT THAT  THIS WOULD BE VERY, VERY  FINANCIALLY DIFFICULT TO MAKE  WORK. THE FACT THAT THERE ARE STILL  SIX SETS OF GRAIN ELEVATORS  ALONG HIAWATHA MAKES ME BELIEVE  THAT HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE CAN BE PRESERVED IN THE FUTURE  RATHER THAN THEM ALL BEING TAKEN DOWN OR THIS BEINGHE LAST ONE  OF THE SET THAT USED TO EXIST AT ONE TIME ALL THE WAY ALONG  HIAWATHA AVENUE. SO FOR THOSE PARTS AND PIECES OR FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD  SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT STAFF  HAS PUT FORWARD THAT WE APPROVE  THE DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC  REURCE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  MELLBLOM. ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS OR  THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM. >> HEARING NO OTHER COMMENTS I  WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE  HISTORIC RESOURCE APPLICATION  SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING  CONDITION, NUMBER ONE THE  APPLICANT SUBMIT A MITIGATION  PLAN FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL  PRIOR TO RECEIVING PRESERVATION  APPROVAL FOR THE WRECKING  PERMIT. THE MITIGATION PLAN SHOULD  PROPOSE A METHOD TO DOCUMENT OR  RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY OF THE  SITE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  MELLBLOM. IS THERE A SECOND? >> KARATO SECONDS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  KARATO. ANY DISCUSSION? I'M ASSUMING THAT I CAN COMMENT  ON THAT. I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE STAFF  TO LOOK AT A MITIGATN PLAN  THAT INCLUDES BOTH DOCUMENTATION EITHER THROUGH HABS ALTHOUGH I  WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE HABS BUT  MINN SHIP IS ALSO A GREAT OPTION AND PLIC INTERPRETATION. THAT'S ALL I'LL ADD THOUGH. COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM. >> YEAH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO  AMD MY MOTION TO ACTUALLY ADD  THAT IN? OR YOU COULD MAKE THAT  SUGGESTION. >> I DON'T KNOW I I CAN MAKE IT AS CHAIR, THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE  I'LL JUST LEAVE IT  A COMMENT. BUT THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE CLERK  PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> COMMISSIONERS ALEXANDER. >> NAY. >> BOOTE. >> AYE. >> HERR. >> NAY. >> KARATO. >> AYE. >> MASTIN IS ABSENT. MELLBLOM. >> AYE. >> THOMAS. >> NAY. >> WALLACE. >> NAY. >> RODRIGUEZ. >> AYE. >> CHAIR BJORNBERG. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE FIVE AYES AND FOU  NAYS. >> THE MOTION PASSED? OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES. AT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC  HEARING ITEMS. OUR LAST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FI. AND I WILL HAND IT OVER. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER  BJORNBERG. AS YOU MENTIONED, THE NEXT ITEM  OF BUSINESS IS THE ELECTION OF A CHAIR, VICE CHR, AND SECRETARY FOR THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION  COMMISSION. AT THE LAST REGULAR MEETING OF  THIS BODY, COMMISSION RECEIVED  NOMINATIONS FOR ALL THREE  OFFICES. THE NOMINATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN  SUBMITTED ARE LISTED ON THE  AGENDA, BUT I WILL RD THEM. COMMISSIONER BJORNBERG AS CHAIR. COMMISSIONER MASTIN AS VICE  CHAIR. AND COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM FOR  SECRETARY. CONSIDERING THAT THE BODY HAS  MADE ONLY ONE NOMINATION PER  SEAT, I WILL FIRST JUST DOUBLE  CHECK IN CASE THERE ARE ANY  SURPRISE NOMINATIONS, BUT IF  THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL  NOMINATIONS, I WOULD THEN  ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE  NOMINATIONS AS A SLATE. FIRST, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK ARE  THERE ANY ADDITIONAL  NOMINATIONS? SEEING NONE, I WOULD THEN  ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT  COMMISSIONER BJORNBERG AS CHAIR, COMMISSIONER MASTI AS VICE  CHAIR, AND COMMISSIONER MELLBLOM AS SECRETARY. MAY I HAVE THAT MOTION? >> BOOTE SO MOVES. >> AND IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. THAT HAS BEEN MOVED AND  SECONDED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? GREAT, SEEING NONE, I WILL ASK  THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES. >> BOOTE. >> AYE. >> HERR. >> AYE. >> KARATO. >> AYE. >> MASTIN IS ABSENT. MELLBLOM. >> AYE. >> THOMAS. >> AYE. >> WALLACE. >> AYE. >> RODRIGUEZ. >> AYE. >> CHAIR BJORNBERG. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE NINE AYES. >> THAT MOTION HAS BEEN ADOPTED. AND I WILL TURN THE REMAINDER -- >> THANK YOU. >> WAS MY MICROPHONE ON? SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY. DOES STAFF HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR BJORNBERG. I'M ANDREA BURKE, THE SUPERVISOR OF THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION  TE AND CPED. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF UPDATES  TONIGHT. BEAR WITH ME, BUT I WON'T KEEP  YOU TOO LATE. FIT OF ALL, I WANTED TO  WELCOME OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS,  WE'VE GOT AMY THOMAS WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US BACK IN  JANUARY BUT IS HERE TONIGHT SO  THIS IS HER FIRST MEETING. AND ALSO OUR NEWLY APPOINTED  COISSIONER RODRIGUEZ. WELCOME. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL SAY THAT  WE ARE NOW A FULLY SEATED  COMMISSION OF TEN MEMBERS. SO HELLO RAY.  -- HOORAY. I WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE THAT  THE DEMOLITION FOR THE 3120  WASHBURN AVENUE NORTH PPERTY  WHICH WAS HEARD AT THE  DECEMBER 16, 2024, HPC MEETING  WAS APPEALE THAT WAS HEARD TODAY. AND THAT APPEAL WAS GRANTED. SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT  UPDATE. IT WAS A VERY LONG GOOD  DISCUSSION. BUT ULTIMATELY THE VOTES VOTED  TO GNT THE APPEAL. I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING FOR HPC  WAS CANCELED. EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A MESSAGE ABOUT THAT. BUT IF NOT, HERE IS YOUR OTHER  MESSAGE ABOUT IT AND I HAVE A FEW MORE. EXCUSE ME. MINNEAPOLIS PRESERVATION AWARDS  2025 COMING UP NEXT MONTH. SO MEMBERS OF THE AWARDS  PLANNING COMMITTEE ARE LOOKING  FOR, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR, ARE  LOOKING FOR TWO HPC  COMMISSIONERS TO SERVE AS JURORS TO THIS YEAR'S AWARDS EVERY YEAR PRESERVE MINNEAPOLIS, AIA MINNESOTA, CITY OF  MINNEAPOLIS IS ALSO A  PARTICIPATING COMMITTEE MEMBER,  BUT ALL GET TOGETHER AND PLAN  THE AWARDS AND THERE ARE A  NUMBER OF SUBMISSIO FOR  PRESERVATION AWARDS AROUND THE  CITY. AND WE HAVE A JURY THAT SITS IN  FEBRUARY AND I HAVE THE DATE FOR THAT TO BE HELD. SO EACH YEAR, WE ASK FOR TWO  VOLUNTEERS FROM THE HPC TO JOIN  THE JURY TO DECIDE WHICH  PROJECTS WILL RECEIVE THE AWARDS IN MINNEAPOLIS. IT WILL BE HELD ON THE EVENING  OF WEDNESDAY,EBRUARY 19TH. SO IT'S COMING UP IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS. THE MEETING WILL BE VIRTUAL. THE TIME HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED  YET, BUT YOU CAN EXPECT IT WOULD TAKE PCE SOMETIME FROM AROUND  5:30 TO 7:30 P.M.  THAT WAS THE  TIMEFRAME LAST YEAR. SORRY, AS I MENTIONED THEY'RE  HOSTED AS A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN MINNEAPOLIS HPC, CITY STAFF,  PRESERVE MINNEAPOLIS, AND AIA  MINNEAPOLIS, NOT MINNESOTA. EXCUSE ME. AND THE AWARD THIS YEAR WILL BE  ON THE EVENING OF THURSDAY,  MARCH 13TH AT THE CAPRI THEATER. THEY USUALLY START AROUND 5:00  OR 5:30. REGISTRATION IS OPEN ONLINE TO  ATTEND. IT'S FREE, BUT YOU DO NEED TO  REGISTER WHICH IS THROUGH EVENT  BRITE AND IT SHOULD BE PRETTY  EASY TO FIND THE REGISTRATION  PAGE IF YOU SEARCH FOR 2025  MINNEAPOLIS PRESERVATION AWARDS  ON A SEARCH ENGINE. BUT I AM LOOKING FOR TWO  VOLUNTEERS AND I WOULD LIKE TO  BE ABLE TO IDEALLY SECURE THEM  SO I CAN REPORTHAT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. AND I KNOW YOU ARE ALSO ON THE  PLANNI COMMITTEE, SO ANYTHING  ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE,  PLEASE FEEL FREE. >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL  ADD IS IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY  PROJECTS, PLEASE WE ENCOURAGE  YOU TO APPLY. I THINK THAT APPLICATION ISPEN THROUGH THE 14th OF FEBRUARY. AND WE HAVE A NEW CATEGORY THIS  YEAR. >> I'M GOING TO STARE AT  EVERYBODY UNTIL -- WE'VE GOT  COMMISSIONER KARATO  VOLUNTEERING. THANK YOU. IT'S ONE NIGHT. TWO OF YOU, OKAY, COMMISSIONER  RODRIGUEZ JUMPING IN. AWESOM THANK YOU VERY MUCH BOTH OF YOU. I WILL PUT BOTH OF YOU IN TCH  WITH ROB WHO IS ON THE PLANNING  COMMITTEE AND HE'LL BE IN TOUCH  WITH YOU SO THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER UPDATES I HAVE --  SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT THESE ARE  RELATED TO THE MINNEAPOLIS  AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL  CONTEXT PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON. THE RECONNAISSANCE SURVEY OF THE 25 PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH  AFRICAN AMECAN HERITAGE IS  UNDERWAY. FIELD SURVEY WILL TAKE PLACE IN  THE NEXT FEWWEEKS. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE CONTEXT STUDY. IT'S THE SECOND COMPONENT WHICH  IS THE SURVEY OBVIOUSLY. OUR NEXT MEETING OF THE AFRICAN  AMERICAN HERITAGE WORK GROUP  WILL BE ON TUESDAY,  FEBRUARY 25TH. I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT 4:00 P.M. BUT ERIN CAN CONFIRM THAT FOR  ME. EXCUSE ME. THE CONSULTANTS ARE WORKING ON  MAKING REVISIONS TO THE 75%  DRAFT. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR ANOTHER  VOLUNTEER HERE. BASED ON COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND THEN ALSO TWO TECHNICAL ADVISOR  CONSULTANTS TEAM. AND WE WILL BE SHARING THE NEXT  DRAFT WITH THE AFRICAN AMERICAN  HERITAGE WORK GROUP FOR REVIEW  AND COMMENT. BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONE  VOLUNTEER FROM HPC TO REVIEW IT  AND PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS. IT'S ABOUT 150 PAGES. THAT EXCLUDES THE BIBLIOGRAPHY  AND YOU WOULD HAVE FROM ABOUT  MID-FEBRUARY TO LATE MARCH TO  READ IT. ERIN WILL COORDINATE WITH  WHOEVER THE VOLUNTEER IS AND IF  MORE THAN ONE PERSON WANTS TO  VOLUNTEER, THAT IS FINE TOO. I'M GOING TO STARE EVERYBODY DO  VOLUNTEER TO REVIEW THE CONTEXT  STUDY DOCUMENT AT 75%. KARATO JUMPING IN. THANK U, COMMISSIONER KARATO  FOR TWO. AND I GUESS I'LL DO A SECOND, IF ANYBODY ELSE, IT'S NO PRESSURE  WE DO HAVE A VOLUNTEER, BUT IF  ANYONE ELS IS INTERESTED? >> I'M INTERESTED AS LO AS  KARATO HAS THE PRESSURE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, CHAIR  BJORNBER I WILL MAKE NOTE OFTHAT. AND THE LAST UPDATE I WANT TO  GIVE IS THAT ALL THREE OF US WILL BE VOLUNTEERING AT THE  COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS CONFERENCE THIS COMING WEEKD. IT IS ON SATURDAY. IT IS HELD AT THE CONVENTION  CENTER. IT IS USUALLY HELD EVERY YEAR. AND IT IS FROM 9:00 A.M. TO  4:00 P.M.  WE HAVE A BOOTH AND  WE WILL BE HAVING ITEMS RELATED  TO THE PRESERVATION PROGRAM IN  MINNEAPOLIS, WE'LL BE  HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF OUR LARGER  PROJECTS SUCH AS THE AFRICAN  AMERICAN HISTORIC CONTEXT STUDY. BUT ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO COME  DOWN. IT IS ALSO FREE, BUT I BELIEVE  YOU DO ALSO NEED TO REGISTER TO  ATTEND JUST LIKE THE MINNEAPOLIS PRESERVATION AWARDS. BUT FEEL FREE TO COME DOWN TO  THE CONVENTION CENTER, SAY HI,  AN SEE SOME OF THE OTHER BOOTHS FROM THE CITY THAT E  PARTICIPATING IN THE CONFERENCE. THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDAS. THANK YOU. AND NOTHING ELSE. >> THANK YOU. DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY  ANNOUNCEMENTS? ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'VE  COMPLETED ALL ITEMS ON THE  AGENDA. I'LL ASK ONCE MORE IF THERE ARE  ANY OTHER MATTERS TO COME BEFORE THIS MEETING? IFOT, THEN WITHOUT OBJECTION,  I WILL DECLARE THIS MEETING  ADJOURNED WITH THE NEXT REGULAR  MEETING OF THE HPC IS MARCH 4,  2025. THANK YOU.