--------- >> Welcome, everyone to the regular meeting of the Minneapolis planning commission. For July 7th, 2025 my name is Chris Meyer and I'm Chair of the commission. We have a new Commissioner before we take the role. -- roll. Mr. Dave
shepherd. Would you like to tell us about yourself. Turn on the microphone. Yep. >> I'm Dave shepherd I'm a commercial architect for the past 30 years and I'm part of a firm in HPR, and that's the long and short of it.
>> Great, welcome. Tell us how to She that, pard or do you mean Dave. (Laugh.) >> All right. With that I will
ask the clerk to call the roll. (Roll call.)
>> Okay. We have 8 members present. >> We have a quorum. Next we'll go to the minutes. Is there a motion to approve the minutes of June 16th, 20 that 25. >> So moved. >> Is there a second. >> Second. >> All right. Is there any discussion on those minutes? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed say nay.
Abstentions? The minutes are adopted. Next we will organize the agenda. I'm going to read through the different items and we're going to put each item either on consent or discussion. If it's on consent then we're going to vote for them all at once. If it's discussion then you'll have an opportunity to
speak on them. So if you want to speak against the staff recommendation when I go to the item, I'll say whether anyone wants to speak on that, raise your hand at that time. So staff of is recommending that items 6 and 9 be on
discussion, and I am also putting 5 on discussion. Staff is recommending the rest of the items for consent so I'm going to read through those ones. First No. 4, 350 and 360 north 5th street, Ward 3. Is there anyone here to speak against the staff recommendation on
Item No. 4? All right. Item No. We're discussing. 6 we're discussing. Item No. 7, 2900 Clinton avenue. Is there anyone here to speak against the staff recommendation for 20900 Clinton avenue? All right. We'll put Item No. 7 on
discussion. No. 8, 2801 is there anyone here to speak against Item No. 8? Seeing none. Item No. 9 will be on discussion.
>> Chair Meyer. I would like a short presentation on 8. We're still going to get that; right? All right. Thank you. >> We can put that on discussion. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Okay. So to review, item 4
on consent, 5 on discussion, 6 on discussion, 7 on consent, 8 on discussion, 9 on discussion. Is there a motion to approve the agenda? >> So moved. >> Is there a second. >> Second. All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed, the agenda is adopted.
All right. So first we'll move to the consent agenda so if you are here for items 4 and 7 and just wanted to say something about it, now is the opportunity to do that. So I'm opening the hearing for it. Would anyone
like to speak on any have those. All right. Is no -- any of those. Not seeing any we'll close the consent agenda. Is there a motion -- first, is there any discussion from commissioners? Commissioner Chowdhury? You had your light on. Sorry.
Anyone else have discussion? All right. Seeing none, all in favor of the consent agenda say aye. >> Aye. >> Any abstentions or against? The consent agenda is adopted. All right. So we'll move to our first discussion item,
Item No. 5. Staff is Hilary Dvorak. This is 3601 --
3701 and 3601 Washington avenue. >> Okay. Good afternoon, commissioners. I'm hurl Hilary. A principal city planner in land use preservation section. I'm
here to speak to Item No. 5 this evening for the properties at 3701 and 3601 Washington avenue north. This is located in north Minneapolis just two blocks west of the Mississippi River and
just south of Dowling avenue. . FOR ORIENTATION, DOWLING AVENUE OR NORTH IS ON YOUR RIGHT SO THIS IS THE NORTH END OF THE SITE. WASHINGTON IS ON THE EASTSIDE OF THE SITE AND ON THE
BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 287-SPACE PRINCIPAL PARKING LOT ON THE SITE. THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE DIVIDED INTO TWO ZONES. THE SOUTHERN ZONE WOULD BE USED FOR RIDE-SHARING AND WOULD HAVE 74 PARKING SPACES AND THE NORTHERN
ZONE WOULD BE USED FOR PAID PARKING. AND WOULD HAVE 213 PARKING SPACES. THE PAID PARKING SPACES YOU WOULD ORDER THAT SPACE WITH THE PURCHASE OF YOUR TICKET. AND I SHOULD PROBABLY BACK
UP AND SAY THIS PROJECT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER OR CPAC WHICH IS LOCATED IF WE 01 -- OR WILL BE LOCATED 3701 WEST RIVER ROAD NORTH. THAT PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN JUNE OF '23 AND THEY WILL BE
LOOKING TO BE PULLING THEIR BUILDING PERMITS UNCLEAR WITH OPENING IN -- THIS YEAR IN SPRING OF '27 SO THIS PARKING LOT -- BOTH THE RIDE-SHARE AND THE PAID PARKING LOT SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN
APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND SO THIS IS PARKING THAT SUPPORTS THAT HUGHS -- SUPPORTS THAT USE. THIS WILL BE TWO-VEHICLE ACCESS POINTS LEADING INTO AND OUT OF THE SURFACE PARKING LOT ONE IS LOCATED MID-BLOCK ON
WASHINGTON AVENUE AND THE OTHER ONE ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SITE. THERE WILL BE GATES AT EACH OF THE INSTANCES AS THIS FART* PARKING LOT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE ON DATES THERE ARE NOT EVENTS AT THE CPAC. AGAIN THE PRINCIPAL PARKING
LOT WOULD SERVICE THE CPAC THIS IS A 230 SEAT AMPHITHEATER WHICH COULD HAVE UP TO -- SO UP TO 90 EVENTS PER YEAR. TICKET EVENTS WILL NOT BE SCHEDULED FROM
JANUARY THROUGH APRIL. THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THESE LARGER TICKET EVENTS WOULD HAPPEN MID-MAY OR LATER. FOR THE TYPICAL EVENTS AT CPAC SHOWS PARKING LOT OPEN AT 5:00 AND SHOWS END BY 10:00 PM.
AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CPAC, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO DEVELOP AN EVENT TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN OR AN ETMP. THE PLAN IS TO DEFINE THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND STRATEGIES THAT WILL BE USED TO MANAGE TRAVEL TO AND FROM THE
CPAC AND LIMIT TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THE DRAFT ETMP WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT ATTACHMENTS UNDER THE STRATEGIES IDENTIFIED ON THE ETMP IS WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT APPROACHES FOR
COMPLETION WHICH WILL BE A MANUAL EVENT DAY OPENS. AFTER THE CPAC OPENS IT WILL BE MONITORED BY THE APPLICANT, THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND THE PARK BOARD AND THE ETMP WILL BE ADJUSTED AS NEEDED. SO FOR SOME BACKGROUND THE
CITY AND THE PARK BOARD AND THE CPAC HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE PROPERTIES ON THE LARGER 53-ACRE SITE SO THIS IS ONE PARCEL OF THAT LARGER SITE. THE ETMP WILL NEED TO BE
APPROVED BY BOTH CPED AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED FOR THE CPAC. THE CPAC WILL HAVE NO ONSITE PARKING FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE MAY RECALL THIS CONVERSATION AND, THEREFORE, WILL RELY ON A COMBINATION OF YOU SHUTTLE BUSES
RIDE-SHARE WHICH THIS APPLICATION IS FOR. OFFSITE PARKING WHICH ALSO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR BIKING, WALKING AND TRANSIT AS A MEANS TO GET TO AND FROM THE AMPHITHEATER. THERE ARE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND
WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE MOLD SHARE GOALS FOR THE DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH ONE WILL GET TO THE AMPHITHEATER. THE RIDE-SHARE PARKING AREA WILL ACCOMMODATE 70 VEHICLES. THE ETMP PROJECTS 32 PERCENT OR
PARTICULARLY 3,000 GUESTS WILL ARRIVE VIA RIDE-SHARE SO THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE GOING TO TURN OVER AND OVER AND OVER LEADING UP TO THE EVENTS AND THEY WILL TURN OVER AND OVER AGAIN AT THE END OF THE EVENT. THAT THE PAID PARKING AREA
WILL ACCOMMODATE 213 VEHICLES. IF EACH VEHICLE IS OCCUPIED BY AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WHICH WE'D HOPE THAT'D BE IF NOT MORE THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 5 PER5 PERCENT THE OVERALL GUESTS.
I'M GOING TO GO UP ONE. THE PARKING LOT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY ONE-THIRD OF A MILE FROM THE CPAC I'M GOING TO SEE TO GET YOU A LITTLE CLOSER. SO THIS IS THE PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
THE CPAC SITS RIGHT IN THIS AREA. WE'RE UNDER SOUTH OF WHERE THE ROAD -- THE PARKWAY WEST RIVER ROAD WHERE IT JOGS OUT TO THAT ROAD AND THE ARCH THEATER WILL BE SITTING HERE. SO FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO WEREN'T
HERE WHEN WE DID THE AMPHITHEATER IF YOU DO RIDE-SHARE DOWN HERE OR PAY UP HERE THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC ASSETS HERE GETTING PEOPLE TO TRAFFIC AND CARS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. PEOPLE WILL WALK UP WASHINGTON TO DOWLING, CROSS
DOWLING AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WITH OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL AGENTS AND THEN DOWN WEST RIVER ROAD, MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE CPAC IS AT THE NORTH END ARE THERE. POINT OF VIEW RIGHT THERE. THAT WOULD BE THE PATH TRAVELED ON
RIDE-SHARE OR IF YOU HAD PAID FOR A PARKING TICKET IN THAT LOT. SO IT IS ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF A MILE FOR GUESTS TO WALK FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE CPAC.
THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE CORRIDOR IS ONE ACRE. THE SITE IS 2.93 ACRES, THEREFORE, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PUD IS REQUIRED. THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THAT. PARKING LOT -- SURFACE
PARKING LOTS AND ANY ZONING LOT IS ZONED AND SO THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR A CONDITIONAL ZONING PERMIT AND. THE FIRST ACTION ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC LAND CONVEYANCE FINDING THAT
THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU MAKE THAT FINDING TONIGHT AS PART OF THAT APPLICATION. FOR THE PARKING LOT -- OR, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THEY NEEDED 10
POINTS OF AMENITIES TO ESTA H ESTABLISH -- TO ESTABLISH -- WHOOPS. OKAY, SORRY. HERE WE
GO. OKAY. BE. I'M GOING TO START OVER ON THIS ONE. THAT'S WHAT I DO WHEN I CAN'T FIGURE OUT, I START OVER. LET ME GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT. >> WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THAT HILARY, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS GOING TO BE HELP US UNDERSTAND THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS THE EIGHT POINTS THEY'RE GETTING FOR THAT. >> UH-HUH. >> IF YOU COULD HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT'D BE GREAT. >> SURE.
IO. SO THEY NEEDED 10 POINTS TO ESTABLISH THE PUD. WE ARE RECOMMENDING 16 POINTS. THERE'S ALSO SOME RATIONALE AND THINKING BEHIND THOSE ADDITIONAL POINTS IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE SEEKING A SIGNED PLAN FOR THIS SITE TO ADVERTISE THE USE
AND SO THOSE ADDITIONAL POINTS -- THOSE 6 ADDITIONAL POINTS, 5 WOULD BE NEEDED FOR SIGNS SO THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE THE POINTS. THAT STILL WOULD COME BACK TO ALL OF YOU TO SEE THE SIGNS BUT THE POINTS ARE ALREADY THERE AND I CAN JUST SAY FROM WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS ON EARTH YEARS FOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS -- IT'S MUCH EASIER
TO PUT THE POINTS OR THE AMENITIES FROM THE START THEN TRYING TO RETROFIT AND PUT WATER MANAGEMENT AT THE TAIL END OR AMEND IT FOR SIGNS. SO THAT IS THE RATIONALE
FOR HAVING MORE POINTS ON THE RECORD IF YOU WILL SAVING THOSE FOR THE FUTURE FOR SIGNS. THEY'RE PROPOSING AN ART FEATURE AND I'M JUST GOING TO SIT DOWN
BECAUSE OF THE MESS.
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>> AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR WE ARE READY WHENEVER YOU ARE READY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> I'LL RECONVENE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. HILARY, IF YOU CAN CONTINUE. (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) >> OKAY. JUST KIDDING. SO. SO I WAS SPEAKING TO THE
AMENITIES THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR THE PUD. WE ARE RECOMMENDING 16 POINTS FOR THOSE AMENITIES. THERE IS ALSO A NEED FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND
WE'RE RECOMMENDING RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THERE ARE THREE VARIANCES FOR YOU THIS EVENING ONE IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THIS SITE FROM 100 TO 287, AND TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE ALONG DOWLING AVENUE NORTH FROM 40
FEET TO 115 FEET, AND FROM 40 FEET TO 1,075 FEET ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. SO THE ZONING CODE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON A SURFACE PARKING LOT TO 100. THERE ARE 287 PARKING SPACES PROPOSED SO
THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR THE VARIANCE. AGAIN, THE ZONING CODE LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE ON A STREET AND IF IT'S ON A CORNER IT APPLIES TO BOTH STREETS OR ALL STREETS THAT A SITE WOULD TOUCH OF AND SO
THERE'S MORE THAN 40 FEET OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE PROPOSAL ALONG DOWLING AND ALONG WASHINGTON AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE. THERE ARE UNIQUE NEEDS FOR A REGIONAL INVESTMENT SUCH AS THE CPAC IN ENSURING EVENT DAY OPERATIONS RUNS SMOOTHLY IS WITH
THEM. THE CPAC IS BEING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY THAT HAS LIMITED ON-STREET PARKING AND LIMITED TRANSIT ACCESS. THERE ARE NO EXISTING TRANSIT ROUTES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE VENUE. LOCAL METRO TRANSIT ROUTES 22 AND 32
RUN CLOSEST TO THE SITE. APPROXIMATELY WITH THE NEAREST STOP 1 MILE. I CAN SAY SINCE MY INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROJECT SINCE 2011 WE HAVE TALKED WITH MET TRANSIT OVER THE YEARS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HERE TO BRING THE
TRANSIT LINE SO WE NEED MORE HERE TO BRING CLOSER TRANSIT. LIGHTS IT'S LIKE FIELD OF DREAMS. IF WE BUILD IT THEY WILL BRING THE ROUTES. IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KIND OF MASSAGE THIS AND NURSE THIS DOWN THE PATH AND SO
HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE A CPAC WITH 8200 SEATS AND 90 CONCERTS, 54 COMMERCIAL EVENTS OR UP TO 90 SHOWS A YEAR AND THEN WE GET HOUSING AND THEN WE GET THIS. THEN WE HAVE A MASS OF PEOPLE, A MASS OF, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITY. THAT'S WHEN HOPEFULLY, MET TRANSIT COMES TO THE TABLE AND
WE START REALLY HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT AN ACTUAL ROUTE CLOSER TO THE SITE. THAT HAS BEEN AND IS STILL A GOAL OF THIS PROJECT. NOT JUST THIS PARKING LOT NOT JUST THE CPAC BUT ALL OF THEM. THE SITE HAS 158 FEET OF
FRONTAGE ALONG DOWLING AVENUE NORTH. 1204 OF FRONTAGE ALONG WASHINGTON AND THE SITE NARROWS OF 3 FEET DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SITE. THE SITE IS LONG AND NARROW WITH A SOMEWHAT ATYPICAL STREET FRONTAGE WHEN COMPARED TO THE LOT WITH THIS IS
A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE SITE. PROVIDING A PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR RIDE-SHARE AND PAID PARKING NECESSARY TO HELP ALLEVIATE CONGESTION IN THE STREETS. WITH THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ALONG BOTH DOWLING AND WASHINGTON
ALLOW THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT COULD FIT ON THE SITE. THE PROPOSED 287 SPACE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT WILL HELP ACHIEVE THE PLIT GOALS OF THE. THE PROPOSALS TO HAVE ONE
PARKING LOT INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE PARKING SPACES IS MORE EFFICIENT LAND AND WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ON EVENT DAYS WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE. THERE IS A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF EV CHARGING
STATIONS ON THE SITE FROM 14 TO 0. THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES THAT WHEN YOU BUILD A PARKING LOT OVER 20 OR MORE SPACES, THAT THAT YOU HAVE 5 PERCENT OF THOSE SPACES BE EV CHARGING. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING TO
HAVE ANY EV CHARGING STATIONS ON THE SITE SO HAS REQUESTED THE VARIANCE. AGAIN, THIS PARKING LOT WOULD SERVE THE CPAC WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT AT 3501 WEST RIVER ROAD NORTH, IT'S A
182 SEAT AMP THEORY IT COULD HAVE 154 LARGE TICKETED EVENTS. AT THE VENUE. DURING ONE CALENDAR THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE USED UP TO 90 DAYS OR 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR. THERE WOULD BE GATES
LOCATED AT EACH OF THE VEHICLE INSTANCES AS THIS WOULD NOT BE USED ON NONEVENT DAYS. CHALLENGES EXISTS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCES DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE PROPERTY. IT WILL ONLY BE USED 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR AND GATED TO RESTRICT ACCESS WHEN THERE
ARE NO EVENTS AT THE CPAC. ADDITIONALLY 26 TOTAL PARKING SPACES PROPOSED WOULD BE USED FOR RIDE SLURRING WHICH WOULD TURN OVER MANY TIMES DURING THE COURSE OF AN HE EVENT. THE UNIQUE NATURE AND LIMIT OF THE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT OVER THE COURSE OF ONE YEAR
CREATE CHALLENGES IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE PROVISION. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU GRANT APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE. THE LAST VARIANCE THAT IS NEEDED IS TO ALLOW OFFSITE PARKING IN THE CM2 DISTRICT FOR USE LOCATED IN THE PR1. SO WE
DIDN'T QUITE GOT IT RIGHT WHEN WE ZONED THE SITE. WHERE THE AMPHITHEATER IS, IT IS PRODUCTION MIXED USE SO A PR ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THE CPAC IS, IT IS CM2 SO A COMMERCIAL PR
CANNOT PARK WITHOUT A C VARIANCE THEY CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT A RIGHT, AND SO THEY HAVE REQUESTED THE VARIANCE TO ALL ALLOW -- TO ALLOW OFFSITE PARKING IN THE CM2 DISTRICT FOR A USE LOCATED IN THE PR1 DISTRICT AND I CAN SAY THAT MY
MANAGER WENT AROUND AND AROUND HOW TO WRITE THAT ONE SENTENCE FOR PROBABLY 15 MINUTES SO I HOPE IS READS WELL. THE ONLY OTHER SITES LOCATED IN THE P PRODUCTION MIXED USE WHERE THE CPAC WILL BE LOCATED ARE RIVERFRONT PROPERTIES ALONG WEST RIVER
NORTH-SOUTH OF THE CPAC ARE OCCUPIED BY EXISTING USES THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH WITH THROUGH-ACCESS WHEREAS, THE RIVERFRONT PARCELS CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED FROM WEST RIVER ROAD NORTH. LOCATING THE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT
FOR THE CPAC ON THIS SITE LOCATED AT 3701 AND 3601 WASHINGTON GREAT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ENTERING THE UPPER HARBOR AREA AND. THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES IS NOT EXCESSIVE
AS THERE ARE LIMITED ON-STREET PARKING SPACES LOCATED IN THE UPPER HARBOR DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THE CPAC ITSELF WILL NOT HAVE ANY ONSITE PARKING. AGAIN, WHEN THERE IS DAYS THERE ARE EVENTS CPAC WILL HELP
DIRECT TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES. WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE AS WELL. THE LAST APPLICATION IS THAT IS NEEDED IS SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT IS NEEDED FOR ANY NEW PARKING FACILITY.
THERE ARE A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT I WILL POINT OUT AND THEN THERE ARE FOUR AREAS OF A COMPLIANCE THAT IS REQUESTED FOR TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES. THEY NEED -- THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES REQUIRED IS 51.
THEY HAVE 39 WE'RE RECOMMENDING. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEY HAVE 51 TREES. SAME THING FOR THE SHRUBS WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEY PROVIDE ALL THE SHRUBS AND ALL OF THE TREES FOR THIS PARKING LOT. AND THE NEXT ITEM THAT THEY NEED COMPLIANCE FROM IS THE PARKING LOADING LANDSCAPING AND
CYCLONE AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES ON NORTH WASHINGTON. THEY WOULD NEED 30 -- NO, EXCUSE ME, THEY WOULD -- THE TREE REQUIREMENT ALONG WASHINGTON -- SO JUST FROM THE SOUTHERN END UP TO HERE IS
43 TREES. MY MATH SEEMS TO BE -- THAT SEEMS HIGH BUT, NO. THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE 32 MORE TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING 11 ALONG WASHINGTON. AGAIN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY UNDEFEATED GENERAL
LANDSCAPING FOR HAVING THOSE 51 TREES SO WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THEY HAVE THE 51 PLUS THE 42 TREES OR WHATNOT ALONG WASHINGTON. WHAT WE'RE ASKING -- OR WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS ALTERNATE COMPLIANCE IS TO PUT THE TREES WHERE THEY WANT ON THE SITES. THERE ARE TWO PARKING SPACES AND I WOULD
ACTUALLY LIKE SOMEONE TO POINT THEM OUT THAT DON'T MEET WITHIN 50 FEET. I'LL SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE. THEY ALSO NEED TO ADD ONE MORE TREE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ULTIMATELY WITH THESE CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY MEET THE TREE AND THE SHRUB
REQUIREMENTS AND THAT ALL PARKING SPACES BE WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN ONSITE TREE. YES, THAT COVERS ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE AND SO THE OTHER ITEMS THAT -- THE
OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THAT -- THEY HAVE DESIGNED THE LANDSCAPING TO BE AT AN ANGLE WITH THE PARKING LOT AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY DESIGN IT TO BE PARALLEL TO REALLY PROVIDE
THAT SCREENING THAT IS REQUIRED. THAT IS ALL. THAT IS THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS. THERE'S 9 CONDITIONS ON THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO THOSE ARE THE APPLICATIONS THAT IS. THAT IS THE PROJECT. I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, HILARY. SO I WAS THE ONE WHO PULLED THIS SO THE ONES THAT I'M LOOKING AT IN PARTICULAR D AND E. SO FIRST, STARTING ON D, THE
VARIANCE TO GO FROM 40 FEET TO 1,075 FEET ON WASHINGTON AVENUE -- THAT'S A REALLY LARGE VARIANCE. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE THEM TO MEET THAT? LIKE WOULD THAT JUST BE MORELAND ESCAPING ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE -- >> NO YOU'D LITERALLY TO HAVE CUT -- IT'S NO MORE THAN 40 FEET
FRONTAGE -- SO YOU COULD HAVE 5 PARKING SPACES ALONG WASHINGTON AND YOU'D BE OUT OF -- YOU'D HIT YOUR MAXIMUM FRONTAGE SO YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE 5 PARKING SPACES HERE IF WE LIMIT IT TO THE 40 FEET WHICH IS NOT REASONABLE. >> UH-HUH. >> FOR THE NEED FOR THE CPAC.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW -- SO, YEAH, IF WE LIMIT IT TO 40 FEET ON DOWLING OR 40 FEET ON WASHINGTON, WE'D SEVERELY LIMIT -- IT ALLOWS ONE ROW OF PARKING AND A TWO-WAY DRIVE THAT'S HOW WE GET TO 40 FOR A
TWO-WAY DRIVOUT, 215 OF PARKING SPACE SO -- AND THE COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN -- I THINK THOSE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS -- LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE A PARKING LOT WITH TWO ROWS OF PARKING. THAT'S NO LONGER ALLOWED. YOU CAN ON THIS HAVE ONE ROW OF PARKING AND A DRIVE AISLE, OTHERWISE, YOU
EXCEED 40 FEET EVEN IF YOU MAKE THINGS COMPACT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THEM 15 HUH. YOU CAN'T GET THEM SO SMALL. >> SO ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE -- WHY -- WHY IS THE LONGER SIDE ALLOWED? >> NO, NEITHER OF THESE SIDES ARE ALLOWED. >> OH, RIGHT --
>> THE RECOLLECTIONS -- >> THAT'S ONLY 116 -- >> MAXIMUM ON 40 ON WASHINGTON. THEY HAVE 116 ON DOWLING AND 1,075 ON WASHINGTON AND IT REALLY IS -- >> I GUESS I'M MISSING WHY IT'S SO MUCH MORE ON WASHINGTON. >> JUST BECAUSE -- JUST THE
LAYOUT OF THE SITE. >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH LONGER. >> IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CLOSER THAN THAT. OKAY. SO FOR THE VARIANCE FINDINGS FOR THE CHALLENGES -- I
MEAN, SO IT'S ABOUT A REGIONAL AMENITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT ARE THERE ANY VARIANCE FINDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFY MAKING THIS A SURFACE LOT INSTEAD OF A
STRUCTURED PARKING LOT -- AN UNSTRUCTURED GARAGE? >> THAT IS NOT THE REQUEST BEFORE US TO HAVE THE STRUCTURED GARAGE. I BELIEVE THE COST TO DO THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY PROHIBITIVE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU. >> AND THEN ON E -- SO
70-SOMETHING OF THE SPOTS ARE FOR THE DROP-OFF -- >> CORRECT. >> SO THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REST OF IT IS THAT IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE USED 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR THAT'S THE REASON? OKAY. >> CORRECT, AND 26 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL SPACES ARE FOR THAT RIDE-SHARE THAT WE'LL TURN OVER
AND OVER. >> OKAY. AND THEN JUST FOR THE ETMP, YOU WENT OVER THIS, I WAS STRUCK THAT ONLY 1 PERCENT -- >> TRANSIT? >> HAS MET COUNCIL SAID ONCE THEY BUILD THIS --
>> NO ONE HAS MADE ANY PROMISES AS TO ANY FUTURE TRANSIT EXCEPT FOR WE WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE IT AS THINGS COME ONLINE AT UPPER HARBOR. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING COME UP ONLINE ON UPPER HARBOR. THE PARK -- THE PARK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION I
SHOULD NOT FORGET THE 20 ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT WILL OPEN NEXT SPRING. I BELIEVE THAT IS, LIKE, ANOTHER PARK BOARD. I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT SPRING -- SPRING OF '26 IS WHEN THE PARK WILL OPEN AND THEN SPRING OF '27
IS WHEN THE CPAC WOULD OPEN SO WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD ON MOMENTUM AND ENERGY AND, YOU KNOW, EXCITEMENT HOPEFULLY, THEN. BUT, YEAH. >> THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER
THOMPSON. >> I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M GRATEFUL YOU PULLED IT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS PROJECT VERY, VERY WELL IN THE LARGER SCOPE. >> UH-HUH >> AND I KNOW THIS PARTICLES VERY WELL -- PARCEL AND FOR MY COLLEAGUES JUST IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE WASHINGTON -- IT SPLITS AS BIG SOUTH TO 2ND
THAT'S THE LITTLE V AT THE CORNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT'S CURRENTLY LIKE A BRAMBLE MESS. IT'S NOT -- THERE'S NOTHING THERE AND IT DOES SIT ON A HILL. I'M JUST -- JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE CPAC -- IT SAYS APPLICANT IS THE PORT OF
MINNEAPOLIS IS THIS TO BE DONE WITH THE FIRST -- >> PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS IS FIRST AVENUE. PRODUCTIONS AND THE MINNESOTA ORCHESTRA. >> OKAY. >> THEY ARE PART OF MINNEAPOLIS TOGETHER. AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DOING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. THEY WILL BOTH BE USING THE CPAC.
>> THANK YOU. >> UH-HUH. >> I WILL ATTEST AGAIN TO MY COLLEAGUES. THIS JUST -- IT'S INDUSTRIAL REMOTE AREA. THERE'S NO UNTIL A BIKE LANE WAS STRIPED 10 YEARS AGO AND THEN THEY FINALLY PROTECTED IT A LITTLE
BIT. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST TREMENDOUS -- AND I SAY THAT WITH SHEER TERROR BIKE RIDES YOU'D EVER TAKE BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY USE TRUCKS THAT GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON TO GET TO THIS SITE. SO I SUPPORT THIS AND I
HOPE PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT IT TOO. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, THOUGH, IS THERE ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC IMPACT BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY ACCESS POINTS TO NORTH MINNEAPOLIS CROSSING THE BRIDGE. >> UH-HUH. >> AND THERE IS, OF COURSE, AN EXIT FROM 94 ARE TRYING TO. >> UH-HUH.
>> IF YOU KEEP GOING, YOU BASICALLY ARE IN THE SUBURBS IF YOU DON'T GET OFF HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF STUDY ON IT. IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE MY TIME BUT I'D THOUGHT I'D ASK. >> YEAH, FOR THE LARGER -- SO THE 53-ACRE DEVELOPMENT NEEDED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND WE DID
A TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE 53 ACRES WITH ALL THE PROJECTED USES. THE CPAC ALWAYS NEEDED AN EVENT TRANSPORTATION PLAN THIS IS SIMILAR WHAT WE DID FOR TARGET CENTER, U.S. BANK STADIUM -- YOU KNOW, ALL THE
MAJOR THINGS LIKE THIS -- WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY HAVE EVENT MANAGEMENT PLANS AND SO AGAIN, IT WILL BE WRITTEN AND REFINED AS EVENTS HAPPEN BUT THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC CONTROL AGENTS OUT THERE ON EVENT DAYS HELPING WITH
THE TRAFFIC AND SO WE DON'T MODEL IT BECAUSE YOU JUST THAT CAN'T PREDICT -- >> YEAH. >> HOW EVERYONE IS GOING TO COME BUT WE CAN PUT IN IT ALL OF THESE MEANS OF HOW TO GET TO THE
VENUE AND -- WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY. HOW TO GET TO THE VENUE AND WE WILL MONITOR AS IT GOES. IF WE HAVE STANDING TRAFFIC AT DOWLING AND WASHINGTON, AND WE NEED MORE TRAFFIC COLOMBIA AGENTS, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
WE'LL PIVOT. WE'LL PIVOT BECAUSE IT HAS IT HAS TO WORK. WE CAN'T HAVE IT FAIL EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN EVENT BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T COME AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE. I KNOW THIS IS, LIKE, TAKING A LOPE OF
FAITH. TRUST ME, IT'S A LEAP OF FAITH BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EVENT TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK; RIGHT? AND WHAT DOES AND DOESN'T WORK AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED OR MODIFIED AND WHATNOT. IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG PROJECT. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. IT PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL BE UNTIL
WE GET TO THE LAST DEVELOPMENT WHERE NOTHING IS RELYING ON IT. (LAUGH.) >> BUT UNTIL THAT POINT, IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG KIND OF HAVE TO BE -- THINGS HAVE TO KIND OF PEOPLE -- TEST THEM OUT IF THAT
MAKES SENSE. >> IT ABSOLUTELY DOES. WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS AT THE PARK BOARD AND I KNOW FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT HATS -- THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS AND PEOPLE REALLY WORRY ABOUT SURFACE PARKING. THIS LOT IS NOT A BUILDAABLE LOT
IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S JUST A WEIRD STRETCH ABUTTING THE FREEWAY AND IF IT HELPS AID THE SUCCESS OF THAT NORTH MINNEAPOLIS VENUE THEN I'D ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES DO TOO. THANK YOU.
>> I NEED TO COMMISSIONERS IT'S A DIGITAL PROCEEDING WE CAN'T TAKE A POSITION UNTIL AFTER THE HEARING CONCLUDES SO WE CAN'T START THE HEARING. >> SORRY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER CONLEY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M
REALLY INTERESTED IN THE 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME THE PARKING LOT WILL NOT BE USED. AM I GETTING THAT; RIGHT? >> UH-HUH. >> SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE 287 SPOTS WILL BE UTILIZED 25 PERCENT OF THE TIME. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER 75? IT JUST REMAINS GATED OFF? CAN
COMMUNITY USE IT? THAT THAT JUST STANDS OUT OF A LOT OF TIME OF JUST SITTING. >> UH-HUH. >> THANK YOU. >> YES. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF
ZOOM IN TO IT A LITTLE BIT. SO THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR PARCEL 6A, WHICH IS SITTING RIGHT HERE -- IT'S A MIXED USE HOUSING PROJECT. IT'S APPLIED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST
FUND AND IT HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THOSE DOLLARS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK ON THE LAST ROUND WAS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THAT DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM DID AND WHAT THAT MEANT IS THEY
WOULD USE SOME OF THE PAID PARKING ON NONEVENT DAYS IF THAT PROJECT EVER MOVES FORWARD. I DIDN'T GET INTO THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND WHAT-IFS AND I DIDN'T WANTH TO CONFUSE YOU BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S ALREADY
A LOT OF CONFUSING ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE BIGGER HISTORY; RIGHT? AND SO THERE IS POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE THAT THESE PARKING SPACES WILL BE USED ON A DAILY BASIS BY THOSE WHO LIVE IN 6B -- 6A,
EXCUSE ME, NORTHERN LOT. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL -- LIKE, IF THIS PROJECT HAPPENS, THAT THAT THIS -- AND THERE'S COMMERCIAL IN HERE NOT A LOT BUT THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL IN HERE TOO THAT THIS PARKING ON THE NORTH
SIDE -- NOT THE SOUTHERN RIDE-SHARE IS -- IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RIDE-SHARE PARKING BUT THIS NORTHERN HALF COULD BE USED BY 6A RESIDENTS OR TENANTS IN THE FUTURE BUT AGAIN I DID NOT WANT TO GET INTO THAT BECAUSE
THAT'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. >> SORRY. >> CAN I ALSO JUST COMPLETE THAT THOUGHT -- YOU KNOW, THESE ARE -- ALL OF THE LAND BE EXCEPT THE 20 ACRES OF PARKLAND ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND WE WILL MAINTAIN THE -- THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN AND SO IT'S
99-YEAR LEASES SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL OLEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT TOGETHER WITH THE GROUND LEASE AND EXCLUSIVE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND WHAT THE MINIMUM IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND SO THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS WORKING WITH PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS TO DEVELOP ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR
THIS SITE. IF IN THE FUTURE 6A HAPPENS AND THEY NEED OR WANT SOME OF OF THAT PARKING, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS, LEASE LEGAL DOCUMENTS WILL GET REVISES TO ADD NEW USER OF THE SITE, SO THE CITY IS A LANDOWNER FOR LEASING
AND WILL HAVE TO REVISE THINGS IF THERE'S A NEW LEASE HOLDER FOR THOSE SPACES ON NONEVENT DAYS. >> UH-HUH. >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. >> IT DOES. I WAS JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH -- THAT'S STILL A LOT OF IF SO IF THE CITY IS THE
OWNER, THEN I GUESS WOULD STATE NO RAIN SOME CONSIDERATION OF, WHAT -- WHAT ELSE -- YOU KNOW PLAN B, PLAN C, YOU KNOW, FOR 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JONES?
>> YEAH. JUST FOLLOWING UP SO THERE'S A PARK BEING BUILT AND HOW CLOSE IS PARK TO THOSE PARK AREAS SO THAT IF PEOPLE WANTED TO USE THAT PARKING WHILING THE
BUILDOUT -- >> EVERYTHING IS PARKLAND ON THE RIVERSIDE WITH THE LARGEST BODY OF THE PARK WHERE THE RELICS RADIO. >> THAT'S MY POINT THE USE OF POINT OF THAT SPACE JUST IN
TERMS OF THE PARK. >> YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME 20 SPACES ON THEIR SITE AND 20 SUBSPACES -- SO COULD THE PARKING LOT COULD BE USED FOR EVENTS ON THE PARK BUT OUR ATTORNEYS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS
WILL HAVE TO TALK AND MAKE THOSE AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THE PARK BOARD HAS TO ENTER THAT ONE. THE CITY, THE PARK BOARD -- EVERYONE HAS TO SIGN OFF AND REVIEW AND APPROVE AND MODIFY; RIGHT? SO I THINK ALL OF THESE
ARE POSSIBLE OPTIONS. I JUST DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO GIVE THE PARKING LOT USE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WITH A -- WHO THE USER IS WHEN THEY WILL BE OPEN, HOW THEY WILL USE IT. I THINK WHEN THINGS START HAPPENING, WE'LL START LOOKING AT THOSE AGREEMENTS, YOU KNOW,
TO USE THEM 'CAUSE, YES, I DON'T THINK ANYONE BELIEVES THAT THE PARKING LOT SITTING THERE FOR 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME IS A GOOD THING. BUT IT IS A GOOD I THINK THIS ON THE 25 PERCENT ON THE DAYS THAT WE NEED IT, AND SO I THINK -- YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE
FIELD OF DREAMING. (LAUGH.) >> WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT AND WE'RE GOING TO HOPE IT ALL WORKS OUT. >> COMMISSIONER GORDON? >> YEAH, JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE ACCESSIBLE STALLS ARE POSITIONED MID-SITE RATHER THAN
NORTH OF THE SITE DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT YOU MENTIONED. >> YES. >> HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION DUE TO THE ACCESSIBILITY ROUTE TO ANY DROP-OFF AREAS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING A THIRD OF A MILE AND -- >> SO ADA ACCESSIBLE PARKING
WILL ALSO TAKE PLACE HERE. YES, SORRY, I'M JUST MAKING SURE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND EMAILS ABOUT THE PROJECT. I'M JUST MAKING SURE I HAVE THE MOST RECENT -- IS THAT THERE'LL BE TRAFFIC
CONTROL AGENTS AND THE -- IF YOU NEED -- IF YOU HAVE ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COME DOWN DOWLING -- THE PARKWAY, DROP GUESTS OFF AND THEN IF -- AND THEN GO BACK AND
PARK IN THAT LOT IN THE PAID PARKING SPOTS SO THERE ARE SOME SPOTS FOR ADA IN THERE CARVED OUT BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY SPOTS ON THE CPAC SITE. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BAXLEY.
>> QUICK QUESTION, THANKS HILARY. I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING USE HERE. MY GUESS IS THE TOPOGRAPHY WORK WE'LL PROBABLY SEE A LOT MORE PARKING HERE BECAUSE I IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT. BUT SINCE THIS IS A BIT EXPERIMENTAL, COULD YOU TALK
AGAIN ABOUT WHY YOU WANT -- THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING GO MORE WALL-LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THIS WHICH LOOKS A LOT MORE INTERESTING AND POTENTIALLY -- >> YEAH, AND -- JUST A LITTLE MORE PARALLEL JUST BECAUSE IT'S -- I GUESS IT'S -- HOW AM I TRYING TO SAY IT. IT'S NOT
COMPLETELY SCREENED, RIGHT, WHEN YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE ROWS OF LANDSCAPE AND SO TRYING TO JUST MAKE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARALLEL, WILLING TO WORK WITH THEIR LANDSCAPE DESIGNERS -- >> OKAY. >> TO ALLOW SOME CREATIVE -- 'CAUSE I AGREE. OUR CODE IS
SPECIFIC, 3 FOOT SCREEN. I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO ALLOW SOME OF THESE CREATIVITY OR FLEXIBILITY BUT STILL GET IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SCREENED AND THEY DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME GAPS HERE WHERE THERE AREN'T SHRUBS AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN
DISCUSSING CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. >> YEAH, I THINK I WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE UNIQUE SITUATION TO TRY SOME UNIQUE SOLUTIONS FOR THE CITY AND YOU SAY TOO. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE LIGHTING WORKS ON THIS SO IS
APPARENTLY -- I'M ASSUME ASSUMING THIS IS GOING TO BE A LIT LOT AND WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USES ARE THE LIGHTS ON OR STAY DARK? >> THAT IS QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANTS TO ANSWER. PALE ACTUALLY, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT LIGHTS IN HERE
AND THEN THERE ARE LIGHTS IN THE TREES AND SO I THINK -- LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT THAT QUESTION. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON. >> COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD? >> I HAVE A QUICK ONE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE
EV CHARGING VARIANCE IS ONLY ON THE CPAC PARKING IS THAT TRUE WELL, VARIANCES RUN WITH THE PROPERTY. NOW, IF THE USE CHANGED WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A NEW EV CHARGING REQUIREMENT MOST LIKELY AND SO IT WOULD -- SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE MIGHT
TRIGGER ITS OWN REQUIREMENT. >> THIS IS A FOLLOW-ON TO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I'M PRESUMING THIS WAS NOT A RECOVERABLE COST SO THAT'S WHY THE VARIANCE WAS SOUGHT; CORRECT? >> UH-HUH. >> SO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS AREA WERE TO -- WERE TO USE
THIS PARKING LOT, IS THERE SOME MECHANISM BY WHICH WE COULD THEN REQUIRE THE ADDITION OF THOSE EV CHARGING STATIONS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE? >> I MEAN, ONCE GRANTED I DON'T THINK WE CAN COMPEL THEM. -- I MEAN, WE COULD ASK THEM TO BUT I
DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE THEM -- PUT THEM IN THE FUTURE ONCE THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED. UNLESS SOMETHING NEW COMES AND THE REQUIREMENT IS DIFFERENT BUT -- >> OKAY. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A BIGGER SURFACE PARKING LOT, I THINK, TO HAVE A BIGGER PARKING LOT
REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IF THIS WAS A RAMP, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE EV REQUIREMENT. IT'S JUST FOR THE FOR THE SURFACE LOT. >> AND IF I MAY ADD TO THAT THE CODE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY STATES NEWLY ESTABLISHED SURFACE
PARKING LOTS FOR THE EV PARKING LOTS SO ONCE ESTABLISHED -- >> SO THIS IS THE CHANCE TO DO IT OR NOT. >> CORRECT. >> IF WE WERE TO APPLY IT TO THE 213 NONRIDE-SHARE SPOTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 11 SPOTS? IF MY MATH IS CORRECT. >> YOU'RE ANTICIPATING WHERE I
WAS GOING WITH IT. >> YEAH, I WAS AN ENGLISH MAJOR SO CHECK MY MATH. >> I CAME UP WITH 10.39. >> YEAH, YOU GET TO ROUND UP. >> YOU ROUND DOWN IN OUR ZONING CODES. (LAUGH.) .5 AND HIGHER HIGHER
YOU CAN UP .4 YOU GO DOWN. SORRY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WITH US TODAY. YOU
CAN COME UP IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE ANY PRESENTATION, YOU CAN BUT EVEN IF YOU DON'T I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> I DIDN'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS. I'M SORRY I'M ALAN TUCKER. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE APPLICANT. >> NO, I'M NOT THE APPLICANT. >> I'M SORRY IS THE APPLICANT
HERE? >> I'M SORRY. >> HELLO COMMISSIONERS. I CAN SPEAK TO THE LIGHTING COMMENT. SO THERE'S A MIXTURE -- LET ME
PULL UP THE LIGHTING PLAN HERE. >> THIS IS THE ONLY ONE I HAVE. >> THERE'S A MIXTURE OF 35 FOOT HEIGHT POLES FOR LIGHTING -- LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING AREAS
AND THEN THERE'S SOME 25 FOOT POLES KIND OF AROUND THE PERIMETER AND ADDITIONAL TO THAT ALONG THE 9 FOOT PARKING LOT ALONG WASHINGTON THERE'S SOME UPLIGHTING ON THE TREES SO WE THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL EVENTS
GET OUT LATE, PASSENGERS GET OUT -- I DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT EXACTLY CLEAR WHAT HOURS WOULD BE IN USE. I THINK IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE TO HAVE THEM ON ALL THE TIME OR ON LESS, THEY'D BE
OPEN TO WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THE AREA. >> DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIGHTING COMMISSIONER BAXLEY? ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK,
YOU CAN COME UP NOW. >> SORRY. >> I'M ALAN TUCKER. I OWN THE -- BASICALLY THE WEDGE ON 2ND TO WASHINGTON WHERE THE BOAT
PLACE IS. ONE IS THE INTERSECTION DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW IS ALREADY OVERCROWDED. IT BACKS UP A COUPLE BLOCKS SOME DAYS. I'M WORRIED ABOUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS ANY TIME THERE'S AN EVENT OR NEAR AN
EVENT, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE PAID PARKING THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK UP AND DOWN THE STREET WHERE I AND MY CUSTOMERS PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE A NON -- NO EVENT PARKING AREA IN THAT AREA OR WHATEVER ELSE BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE DROPPING OFF BOATS ALL
THE TIME AND I'M WORRIED THAT IF IT HAS AN EVENT -- INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE PAID PARKING THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ALL THE WAY UP WASHINGTON AND 2ND STREET. HAD BUT, OTHERWISE, THE INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW, THEY DID
I'D SAY A POOR JOB OF PUTTING THAT BIKE PATH ON DOWLING. NOBODY USES IT. IT'S TOO STEEP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TRIED -- EVEN THE BANK BIKE PEOPLE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE OTHER END. BUT IT BACKS UP FOR BLOCKS NOW
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE IS GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT UNLESS THEY HAVE OFFICERS TO LET THEM IN AND OUT. SO THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY? ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT SEEING ANY SO I
WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT BALANCED COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TO BE ABLE TO IMPOSE ANY REGULATIONS ON STREETS OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO DO
TODAY. WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION THAT IS IN FRONT OF US SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO. I'LL SAY WHERE I'M AT ON THINGS -- COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD ANTICIPATED ME IN THAT I THINK
THE DROP-OFF JUSTIFICATION MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR THE VARIANCE ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD EXUDE IT ENTIRELY SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO DO A VARIANCE IN LIEU TO GIVE
THEM A VARIANCE TO GO DOWN TO 10 ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS WHICH WOULD CORRESPOND TO THE 213 VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE A REGULAR PARKING LOT.
AND THEN FOR THE OTHER VARIANCE, D, I ACCEPT THE LOGIC THAT PARKING IS NEEDED AT THE SITE, YOU KNOW, FOR A REGIONAL AMENITY LIKE THIS BUT I THINK IT
SHOULD BE IN A STRUCTURED LOT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT. THIS REQUIREMENT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN NEVER HAVE MORE THAN 100 PARKING SPOTS. WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH PARKING DEMAND THEN WE SHOULD PUT IT IN A AT THAT STRUCTURED SITE SO
THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PERMEABLE SURFACE AND -- AND THE POLLUTION INTO THE NEARBY PARKINGIVER AND ALL THE OTHER ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS. THAT COME WITH SURFACE PARKING LOTS SO I
HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE OTHER -- TO THE LAND ACQUAINTANCE OR VARIANCE F. MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO -- TO
MODIFY VARIANCE E LIKE I STATED AND TO DENY ONLY PART OF VARIANCE D. ONLY THE -- THE 100 PART AND I WOULDN'T -- WOULDN'T
PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE OTHER PART. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AND WE'LL SEE WHERE -- >> SO CHAIR MEYER, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR RECOMMENDED MOTION VARIANCE D WOULD ESSENTIALLY LIMIT THIS SITE TO 100 SURFACE PARKING STALLS SO THEN VARIANCE
E SHOULD BE CALCULATED BASED ON A MAXIMUM OF 100 PARKING STALLS. >> OH, RIGHT. >> IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOING TO GRANT THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT I CAN CALCULATE IT. >> OKAY. YEAH, LET'S SEE WHERE
OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE AT AND DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THAT GOES, WE CAN MAKE THAT MODIFICATION. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER JONES? >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND AND I
AGREE WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER, THAT THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR A STRUCTURED PARKING AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S COST-PROHIBITIVE AND IT'S GOING FORWARD AND EVEN NOW THE PARKING CALCULATION WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS GOING TO
BE TIGHT FOR THAT REGIONAL 8200 SPACE THEATER SO -- BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, MAKING -- YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP, RIGHT, AND BUILDING STRUCTURED LOTS. I JUST DON'T
KNOW HOW TO INCENTIVIZE IT BUT AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL OF THE -- ALL OF THE ITEMS AHEAD OF US. >> OKAY. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR MEYER.
I TOO WILL SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO THANK MR. TURK FOR COMING DOWN HERE. I -- TUCKER FOR COMING DOWN HERE. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M ALSO PART OF THOSE BACKUPS WHEN THEY OCCUR THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE WAS
A TRAFFIC STUDY AND I GET -- FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THIS PROJECT AS WELL IT'S AN INCREDIBLE COBBLED TOGETHER RAY OF HOPE WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS TRYING TO GET IT PUT TOGETHER IN THE HOPES THAT IT -- THAT IT IS SOMETHING GREAT; RIGHT? AND IT HAS BEEN
VERY CHALLENGING BUT I'LL JUST SAY -- I MEAN, AS -- AS -- AS FELLOW SAID, THE IDEA OF AN 8200 -- IF THIS PERSON EVENT CENTER AND ONLY 200 OR SOMETHING
SPOTS -- WHAT ARE WE LOOKED AT, SORRY -- WHAT ARE WE LOOKED AT, SORRY. 287. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE UP THERE. IT'S ALL INDUSTRIALIZED AT THE PRESENT THERE'S ONLY STREET PARKING. THERE IS A VERY -- NOT VERY HIGHLY USED BIKE LANE. THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS ON A WING
AND A PRAYER HOPING THAT IT COMES HERE AND I WOULD HATE FOR US TO NOT BE PART OF THAT VISION SO, YES, I SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M GOING TO GUESS THEY WOULDN'T THAT EVEN WANT ONE FOR AS LITTLE AS 100 SPACES. THANKS. >> OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.
SO MY PROPOSED ORDER OF OPERATIONS HERE WOULD BE THAT WE -- THAT WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR D IF THAT DOESN'T PASS THEN I WOULD
PROPOSE MY ALTERNATIVE MOTION WHICH WOULD LIMIT IT TO 100 PARKING SPOTS. AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION WE GO FROM THERE THEN WE WOULD TAKE ON ITEM E AND WE COULD HAVE WHATEVER PERCENTAGE COMES OUT OF
THE VOTE OUTCOME FROM ITEM D AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE REST OF THE ITEMS THAT. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT ORDER OF OPERATION? OKAY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR D BUT FOR ONE OF THE TWO THAT WE SPOKE FOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR
VARIANCE D? (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) >> VARIANCE D. >> AND I WILL SECOND THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND ON VARIANCE D. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? GREAT, CLERK PLEASE
TAKE THE ROLE -- TAKEL -- TAKE >> SO WE HAVE 8 AYES AND 1 NAY.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO FOR ITEM E, I WOULD PROPOSE A VARIANCE IN LIEU TO ALLOW -- TO STILL REQUIRE 10 SPOTS. SHOULD I ADD ANYTHING TO THAT TO WORD IT RIGHT KIMBERLY. >> SO I BELIEVE THE MOTION WOULD
BE TO DENY THE VARIANCE AS PROPOSED AND IN LIEU THEREOF GRANT VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF EV CHARGING STATIONS FROM 14 TO 10. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WE'RE NOT -- SO JUST THE VOTE -- WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS EXACTLY
WHAT WAS SAID AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, SO UP OR DOWN ON 10? >> YEAH. >> EV STATIONS. >> YES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR WHAT KIMBERLY JUST SAID. IS THERE ANY SECOND -- >> WAIT, SORRY, POINT OF
CLARIFICATION AS WELL, CHAIR. SO YOU'RE SAYING FROM 14 TO 10 OR JUST 10? >> SO I BELIEVE THE MOTION WOULD BE TO REQUIRE 10 EV CHARGING
STATIONS BUT 1REQUIRED IT WOULD BE A VARIANCE TO REDUCE FROM 14 TO 10. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A VIRULENCE TO REDUCE FROM -- VARIANCE FROM 14 TO 0. >> OH, OKAY. >> STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS 0. THE MOTION I'VE JUST MENTIONED
AND CONLEY WROTE MAKE IT 10. >> GOT IT. >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION -- COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD, YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
(ROLL CALL.)
>> SO WE HAVE 6 AYES AND 3 NAYS. >> SO THAT MOTION IS ADOPTED, AND NOW I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEMS A, B, C, F AND G. >> I'LL MOVE A, B, C, D, F AND G TOGETHER.
>> NOT D. >> OR SORRY, A, B, C, F AND G. THAT'S HOW YOU SAY IT. >> ANY SECOND? ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> OPPOSED. >> THAT IS ADOPTED AND GOOD LUCK
ON YOUR PROJECT. NEXT, 6, ROYALSTON STAFF IS
NICHOLAS OUELLETT. >> MY NAME INICHOLAS OUELLETT IM A CITY PLANNER WITH ZONING
ADMINISTRATION. FOR YOU TODAY IS ITEM NO. 6. THE PROJECT IS TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ON THE SITE. FOR THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE ACCESSORY PARKING IN THE
DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT. A VARIANCE TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND A VARIANCE TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED FOR A COMMERCIAL AND RECREATION ASSEMBLY USE FROM 39 TO 80.
THE SITE IS A LITTLE MORE THAN 92 -- 92,000 SQUARE FEET IN AREA REQUEST FRONTAGE AROUND ROYALSTON AVENUE NORTH TO THE EAST AND BORDER AVENUE NORTH TO THE WEST. ACCESS IS PROVIDED FROM ROYALSTON AVENUE NORTH. THE WEST END IS ELEVATED ABOVE
BORDER AVENUE NORTH BY APPROXIMATELY 10 FOOT RETAINING WALL WITH NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SITE AND BORDER AVENUE. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS VACANT AND THE APPLICANT IS IN THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING A FILING WAREHOUSE WHICH IS AN INDOOR RECREATION AREA TYPE USE.
THE EXISTING PARKING AREA ON THE SITE IS 70 STALLS AND A SMALLER SURFACE LOT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS BY RESTRIPING THE EXISTING PAVED AREA IN A MORE EFFICIENT LAYOUT. THERE WILL
NOBODY EXPANSION OF PAYMENT WITH THIS PROJECT. THE RESTRIPING PROJECT WILL YIELD YELLED 10 ADDITIONAL STALLS FOR A TOTAL OF 20 PARKING STALLS. THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED PARKING EXCEEDS THE PROPOSED PARKING FOR THE OVERLAY
DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED INDOOR RECREATION USE WHICH RESTRICTS THE MAXIMUM PARKING FOR ONE SPACE OF 1,000 FEET GROSS AREA. BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE 39 STALLS. WITH RESPECT TO THE FINDINGS REQUIRED FOR THE
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL, THE ESTABLISHED OF 10 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH PUBLIC SAFETY, COMFORT OR GENERAL WELFARE. STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION REQUIRING THE PROPOSAL TO COMPLY WITH DISTANCE TO TREES PARKING
REQUIREMENTS WHERE NO PARKING SPACE SHALL BE LOCATED MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM AN ONSITE DECIDUOUS TREE. STAFF FINDS THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE IN THE WEST PARKING AREA TO ALLOW FOR THE ADDITION OF LANDSCAPE TREE ISLANDS. THE ADDITION OF 10 PARKING SPACES FOR 80 TOTAL PARKING
SPACES WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE USE, ENJOYMENT OR ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND THE ADDITION OF 10 SPACES WILL NOT ALTER HOW THIS SITE OPERATES. ADEQUATE UTILITIES AND ACCESS ARE EXISTING. IT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY AN INCREASE
OF THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS. ADEQUATE MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO ENSURE A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND APPROVAL IN WHICH PUBLIC WORKS HAS REVIEWED AND SIGNED
OFF ON THE PROPOSAL. WITH THE ADOPTION OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION CONTINUE ON APPROVAL THE PROPOSED WOULD BE CONSISTENT OF MITIGATING THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS IT OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS WITH URBAN HEAT ISLANDS THROUGH THE ADDED LANDSCAPING. IF REQUESTED THE LAND USE
APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED, THE PROPOSAL WILL COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE DISTRICT IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED. WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCES TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION AND ASSEMBLY USES, CHALLENGES EXISTS
IN COMPLIANCE OF THE ORDINANCES WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED I2 MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND USED FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES. AND CURRENTLY MAINTAINS A NONCONFORMING RIGHTS TO 70 PARKING STALLS. THE SURFACE PARKING LOT WAS
CONFIGURED TO ACCOMMODATE LARGE INDUSTRIAL VEHICLES AND WAS ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE SITE BEING REZONED, DT1 DOWNTOWN CENTER DISTRICT AND DOWNTOWN CENTER LAY DUE. RECONFIGURING THE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE PASSENGER VEHICLES
IN LIEU OF TRUCKS RESULTS IN A MORE EFFICIENT LAYOUT WITH SMALLER DRIVE AISLES AND RESULTS IN AN INCREASED NUMBER OF STALLS. ADDITIONALLY THE WEST END OF THE SITE IS ELEVATED WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITS WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PORTION OF THE SITE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE
RETAINING WALL. THE CHANGE IN IT USE FROM TRUCK PARKING TO PASSENGER PARKING -- PASSENGER VEHICLE PARKING ON THE WEST RETAINING WALL ON THE END ARE CIRCUMSTANCES UNIQUE TO THE SITE AND NOT CREATED BY THE APPLICANT. THE REQUEST TO INCREASE THE
NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS WITHIN THE EXISTING PARKING AREA ISN'T REASONABLE AND IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS CONDITION TREE ISLANDS WILL BE REQUIRED TO NO TO PARKING SPACES SHALL BE LOCATED MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM AN ONSITE DECIDUOUS TREE WHICH WILL
MINIMIZE THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND TO SURFACE PARKING LOTS. THE PROPOSED VARIANCES WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE LOCALITY OF BE INJURIOUS TO THE USE OR ENJOYMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE IT'S CONSISTENT
WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WHICH WERE ORIGINALLY PROTECTED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. WITH THAT STAFF REMAINS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VARIANCES WITH CONDITIONS TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN ACCESSORY LOT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY >> THANK YOU, NICK. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC NOT SEEING ANY I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE APPLICANT HERE WHEN YOU SAY GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. >> GOOD EVENING. OH, I GUESS I
GET UP HERE I'M CHRIS CUNNINGHAM. THIS IS ANDREW CUNNINGHAM HELLO. HE'S MY BROTHER. THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT AND LISTENING TO NICHOLAS' GREAT PRESENTATION ON OUR PROJECTS. I JUST HAVE ONE
CORRECTION. IT'S FOWLING. I WOULD I WILL THROW THAT IN THERE. WE APPRECIATE I GUESS THE FLEXIBILITY AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER THESE VARIANCE REQUESTS. THE ONE, I GUESS, QUESTION
OR REQUEST WE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT TO ADD THE FOUR ISLANDS WITH TREES. YOU KNOW, IT'S -- WE'VE -- WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR CONTRACTOR. WE GOT PRICING FOR IT. IT'S LIKE
$30,000 FOR THE FOUR ISLANDS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR OUR LITTLE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER PROJECTS. SO, YOU KNOW -- FROM -- IT TAKES IT FROM A TRA NET ADD OF
10 STALLS TO 6 STALLS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOSE A COUPLE SPOTS, OBVIOUSLY, OUR GOAL IS TO GET AS MANY ONSITE PARKING STALLS AS WE CAN GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PERVIOUS AT HER,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO TREES. WE LIKE TREES BUT IT'S JUST A HARD THING FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE TIP OF IN THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO'S ASK IF -- WE'D ASK IF THAT COULD BE REMOVED OR POTENTIALLY DELAYED
TO A FURTHER EXTENSION OF 5 YEARS PERHAPS. OR MAYBE WHEN WE GET THIS CONNECTION FROM THE TRANSIT TO THE FARMERS' MARKET. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE
TO KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU IS A PLAN FROM THE NORTH LOOP ASSOCIATION THAT WAS DONE IN 2019 THAT HIGHLIGHTED THIS PROPERTY. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE TRANSIT STOP IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDINGS, AND AS
NICHOLAS SAID THERE'S ABOUT A 10, 12 FOOT DROP THAT GOES FROM THE BACK PARNG LOT TO THE FARMERS' MARKET. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO FOSTER YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF A PROMENADE THAT WOULD CONNECT THE
FARMERS' MARKET TO THE TRANSIT STOP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A WONDERFUL, YOU KNOW -- IT IS A WONDERFUL FEATURE THAT FARMERS' MARKET. YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME 5 MINUTES JUST TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, MY BUILDING -- OR OUR BUILDING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW,
COMING DOWN ROYALSTON AND AROUND BECAUSE IT IS JUST A HAPPENING KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT COULD BE DEFERRED UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS AT THAT POINT. THERE ARE NO PLANS BY US BUT
WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HELP IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE CAN BY -- BY FOSTERING THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FARMERS' MARKET AND THE TRANSIT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD POSSIBLY SEE,
YOU KNOW, THE REDUCTION OF FURTHER PARKING MAKE THAT PROMENADE HAPPEN. SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO LOSE STALLS IT NOW AND THEN LOSE MORE STALLS -- I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE -- WE HAVE MORE STALLS THAN WHAT WE'D NORMALLY BE
ALLOWED AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY BUT ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT OR WHAT DID I MISS, I GUESS? >> I THINK YOU GOT IT ALL GOOD, ARCHITECT. >> OKAY. SO, YES, ANDREW,
EX-ENGINEER HE'S GOING TO BE THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE FOWL BEING WAREHOUSE SO IT'S KIND OF A PERSONAL ENDEAVOR OF OURS SO WITH SOME OTHER INVESTORS AND IT'LL BE A GREAT PROJECT, AND WE'RE REALLY PLEASED TO BE IN THE NORTH LOOP AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT SO
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US THAT WE CAN STAND FOR? >> I SAY JUST ABOUT TO OPEN THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CONLEY? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND. AND THANK YOU, GREAT PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE THE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. LOOKING AT THIS, THOUGH, I WANT TO DIVE MORE INTO THESE
TREES 'CAUSE WHAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT THIS REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HEAT ISLANDS AND HEAT POLLUTION ALL THE THINGS AND SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF TREES AS A REQUIREMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
SCREEN SPECIFICALLY, ALL YOU SEE IS CONTRACT. I DON'T SEE ANY GREEN SPACE EXCEPT FOR A LITTLE SLIVERS HERE AND THERE. THAT'S URBAN DESIGN; RIGHT? BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME
ABOUT YOUR PROPOSALS YOU'RE NOT DOING IT BY ADDING MORE CONCRETE BUT YOU'RE BEING INNOVATIVE AND I THINK IT'S TO GET WHAT YOU NEED WITHOUT EXPANDING -- ADDING MORE CONCRETE; RIGHT? SO TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE -- ASIDE FROM THE
COST-PROHIBITIVE NATURE, I HEARD THAT. IT'S $30,000 FOR THE FOUR TREE ISLANDS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ADDING COSTS BUT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE, LIKE, 6 SPOTS. TALK ME THROUGH MORE HOW WE CAN BE MORE INNOVATIVE WITH THE TREES?
>> SURE, YEAH. I GUESS WHEN WE RESTRIPED IT I WAS ABLE TO GET IT UP TO -- GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO 71 STALLS -- OR I GUESS TOTAL OF 80 YEA STALLS THERE
WITHOUT THE ISLANDS. WE DID SCRUNCH DOWN THE DRIVE AISLES. DID OUR MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, ISLANDS THERE. TO GET THE TREES 7 FOOT WIDE. SO WITHOUT ADDING THE ISLANDS, WE ARE ABLE TO ADD 10
STALLS TO WHAT IS -- TO A DIFFERENT -- BY IS TRYING TO LOT DIFFERENTLY -- STRIPING THE LOT DIFFERENTLY. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 60 STALLS, I THINK,. PREPONDERANCE IF WE CHANGE AROUND THE STRIPING, WE CAN GET
UP TO 70 STALLS AND THEN -- YEAH, 71 STALLS IN THE BACK AND THEN IF WE SCRUNCH THE DRIVE AISLES, PUT THE -- OUR NET ADD
WOULD BE 6 STALLS INSTEAD OF 10 STALLS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> MR. -- IT DOES. SO ALL 4 OF THE ISLANDS YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO TO GET TO THE 80 SPACES? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> NO. NO. NOT WITH UNDEFEATED
OTHER -- I GUESS -- NOT WITH THE OTHER -- I GUESS STALL REQUIREMENTS IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. SO I SCRUNCHED AND STRETCHED AND LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT EXISTING
PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE -- YEAH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH OUR PROJECT AND OUR DOLLARS AND, YEAH, I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD TO THAT SO -- >> THANK YOU.
>> YEP. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. >> THANK YOU. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? I'M NOT SEEING ANY SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I FULLY SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT'S VERY REASONABLE TO RESTRIPE THE EXISTING SPACES ADDING MORE PARKING SPOTS WITHOUT ADDING MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BUT I DO
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT KEEP THE TREES THAT STAFF HAVE INCLUDED AS A CONDITION. I THINK IT WAS A MISTAKE TO ALLOW SURFACE PARKING LOTS LIKE THIS ONE WITHOUT THOSE AMENITIES BECAUSE IT HAS AS COMMISSIONER CONLEY
WAS SAYING, LED TO A MAJOR HEAT ISLAND DEFECT AND THE TREES PROVIDES A REFUGE FOR BIRDS AND OTHER ANIMALS AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE OF THOSE WHEN WE HAVE IT SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE FULL STAFF
RECOMMENDATION INCLUDING THE TREE RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I'LL MOVE IT -- I'LL MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. >> OKAY. >> SECOND >> ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER
DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.)
>> WE HAVE 9 AYES, AND 0 NAYS. >> THAT IS ADOPTED. CAN WE GET ADOPTED WITH THE CLOSED CAPTIONING AVAILABILITY. >> WE WERE ABLE TO GET AN EXTENSION UNTIL 7:30. >> OKAY, GREAT. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 8, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HAD SAID
YOU JUST WANTED A PRESENTATION. DO YOU WANT -- >> YEAH, I JUST WAS -- I JUST HAD -- I READ IT THOROUGHLY AND I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY SINCE I REQUESTED A PRESENTATION IF WE HAVE TO DO THE WLE THING. I KNOW WE'RE HITTING ALMOST 6:00.
>> WELL, WE GOT AN EXTENSION ON THE CLOSED CAPTIONING SO IT'S OKAY IF YOU WANT TO -- >> I WOULD LOVE -- I WOULD LOVE A SHORT ONE AND A CHANCE TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT SLIGHTLY BETTER. THAT'S ALL. >> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. SO THE FORMER 150-ROOM SHERATON HOTEL AT THE MIDTOWN GLOBAL MARKET THAT WAS BUILT IN 2004 -- THE
APPLICANT -- THE PROPOSAL IS TO CONVERT THAT FORMER HOTEL INTO 182-PERSON STAYED CREDENTIALED CARE FACILITY -- STATE CREDENTIALED CARE FACILITY.
THERE'S FOUR USES AS PART OF THIS PROJECT ON THAT GROUND FLOOR, TWO ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, A COFFEE SHOP AND CAFE. A MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE AND THEN THIRD ELEMENT ON THAT FIRST FLOOR IS OFFICE SPACE FOR THE OPERATOR. UPPER FLOOR IS WHERE THE
MAIN USE THAT STATE CREDENTIALED FACILITY WOULD BE LOCATED IS UPPER FLOORS, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE 182 INDIVIDUALS. ZONING CODE DEFINITION FOR OUR SFCFST IS A CONGREGATE
LIVING USE WHERE TWO OR MORE PERSONS RESIDE UNDER THE CARE OR SUPERVISION OF PROGRAM LICENSED BY THE STATE OF MINNESOTA PROVIDING SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS. WHICH THE APPLICANT SPREADSHEETSING TO DO -- IS PROPOSES TO DO. THE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS LOCATED
CM3 ALLOWS SCCF WHICH ALLOWS 17 OR MORE BEDS AS A CONDITIONAL USE. AND I CAN QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE FINDINGS IF YOU'D LIKE -- CPED SEIZED THE MEETINGS FINDING 1 AND 2 NOT BEING DETRIMENTAL OR ENDANGERED THE
PUBLIC HEALTH OR INJURIOUS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA IT WILL COMPLYING WITH THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS LICENSED BY THE STATE INTENDED TO PROVIDE A STAY ENVIRONMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS PURSUING SOBRIETY AND 24-HOUR STAFFING BY ONE OPERATOR. FINDING 3 -- THERE'S
"UTILITIES ACCESS ROWS AND DRAINAGE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SITE PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS TO MEET THE SAME LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED. FINDING 4, SAFE
RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. AGAIN, HAVING A SITE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THAT STAFF FINDS THIS TO BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BIKE AND BUS ACCESS AND
MAINTAIN THE 71-SPACE SURFACE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND FINALLY FINDINGS 5 AND 6 CPED SEES THE PROJECT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OTHER REGULATION THAT. . IT EXPANDS HOUSING CHOICES REPURPOSES AN
EXISTING BUILDING AND MEETS THE CM3 REQUIREMENTS IN REPORTER NO AGO COMMERCIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. PROJECT THE SCCF ELEMENT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS. SO, AGAIN, SEES
THE PROJECT MEETING THE FINDINGS. THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED WITH THE PROJECT PROJECT NOTICING SO CPED IS RECOMMENDING THE PROPOSAL
WITH THE CONDITIONS IN REQUIRING THE CONDITIONS OF THE COUNTY CONDITIONAL USE SITE PLAN, CONTINUING COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE BIKE PARKING. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR AURIN? COMMISSIONER JONES?
>> YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING INTERIOR RECONFIGURATION, LIKE, PUTTING, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SPACE AND KITCHENS AND OTHER FACILITIES TO SUPPORT -- I'M JUST CURIOUS. I DON'T KNOW IF
IT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTION -- >> I CAN LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK MORE TO THIS BUT THERE'LL DEFINITELY BE -- I BELIEVE RENOVATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE FOUR DIFFERENT USES INCLUDING THAT CAFE AND COFFEE SHOP THAT
DOES SHOW KITCHEN SPACE IN THIS AREA. BUT CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER JONES, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY. >> ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I THINK
MOTIONS OF MY QUESTIONS PROBABLY -- I THINK THE MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THE LEVELS SO THANK YOU. PROBABLY QUESTIONS SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER JONES. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC
HEARING DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WITH US. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> MY NAME IS JACOB SEVENTEEN WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. EXCUSE ME. I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT AT THAT AURIN MENTIONED BUT
I WILL TRY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO TURN -- TO TAKE WHAT HAS BEEN A LONG CLOSED FACILITY INTO A VERY ACTIVE USE THAT WILL SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY
IT'LL BE A SAFE AND ACTIVE USE AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. WITH THE QUESTION I THINK WAS: WILL THERE BE KITCHENS? THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CURRENTLY ARE KIND OF LONGER
TERM STAY BUT THERE'S AN EXISTING KITCHEN ONSITE AND THIS WILL OPERATE IN MANY WAYS VERY MUCH AS A HOTEL. MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WILL COME AND GO. IT'S JUST SIMPLY A LONGER STAY WITH SOME SUPPORTIVE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES ONSITE SO THERE WILL BE
A KITCHEN WITH FOOD AVAILABILITY BUT MANY OF THEM WILL HAVE JOBS JOBS TO GO TO THEIR FAMILIES AND EAT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY >> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I GUESS YOU ANSWERED MY
QUESTION BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO ABBOTT, I WAS CURIOUS IF THIS -- YOU KNOW, THESE NEW FOR THE STATE AND FOR THE CITY AND I KIND OF TAKE SERIOUSLY AS EVERYONE WHO COMES UP IN THIS ONE IS RATHER LARGE
IN POSITIVE WAYS BUT CHALLENGING WAYS. IS THIS MEANT TO BE MORE OF LIKE A -- DARE I SAY LIKE A HOSPITAL/HOSPICE RECOVERY TYPE FACILITY OR MORE OF A TEMPORARY HOUSING FROM -- IS IT MEANT TO
BE FROM THE HOSPITAL OR IS IT JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY? >> SO THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND I'M SORRY CHAIR, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS NEW USES AND THIS IS PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT LESS INTENSE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER MODELS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN.
YES, THE INTENT IS THAT THESE -- THESE ARE GUESTS WHO HAVE BEEN DISCHARGED, IF THEY HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED. EVERY ONE OF THESE RESIDENTS IS COMMITTED TO SOBRIETY. THEY ARE
VERY FAR LISTEALONG THEIR JOURN THIS IS A LESS INTENSE -- I THINK A LEVEL 3.5 OR 3.8 WHEN ONE IS STARTING. SO THERE WILL NOT BE INTENSIVE MEDICAL SERVICES ONSITE. AGAIN, THE
PROXIMITY IS A IS A -- IT WILL BE REALLY A COINCIDENCE. THERE WILL BE MEDICAL OFFICES ONSITE. WE CAN'T DISCLOSE WHO THOSE -- THAT OPERATOR WILL BE, BUT IF WE HAVE OUR WAY, IT WILL BE A VERY
LARGE OPERATOR THAT IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. >> THANK YOU. JUST ANOTHER QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. HAS THIS -- AND I WAS LOOKING UP THE NAME AND I THOUGHT I WROTE IT DOWN BUT I DIDN'T. THE CONTRACTOR WHO IS
GOING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, DO THEY DO HAVE ANY OTHER LOCATIONS -- THEY'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. IS THIS A BRAND-NEW SERVICE FOR THEM AND SOBRIETY INCORPORATED I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE NAME IS. >> SOBRIETY -- AND THAT WILL BE THE OPERATOR OF THE SCCF -- OR
ONE OF THE PARTNERS, BUT IT'S DESIGNED THAT IT CAN INTERCHANGE WITH ANY ONE OF THE OPERATORS. YES, THIS IS A SEASONED OPERATOR THAT HAS A NUMBER OF FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE TWIN CITIES. >> OKAY. >> AND, AGAIN, THERE'S -- THERE ARE A LOT OF OPERATORS OUT THERE
BUT THIS IS IN MANY WAYS A MUCH LESS INTENSE USE THAT REALLY FITS VERY WELL. YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY THIS, YOU KNOW -- GIVEN THE BROAD DEFINITION, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY FALL UNDER THE CLASSIFICATION OF A HOTEL BUT BECAUSE OF THIS VERY SPECIFIC
NEW DEFINITION, WE FELT IT NECESSARY TO JUST GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS. >> THANK YOU I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JONES, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER CONLEY? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE IT. ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE TO START OUT WITH IS SOBRIETY, INC., A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY? >> YOU KNOW, I WILL HAVE TO -- I
BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE IT IS A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY. IT IS A PARTNER AGAIN -- IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE PLANS THAT WERE PREPARED BY SOBRIETY, INC., WE WOULDN'T BE ADVERTISE A PARTNER SPECIFICALLY. WE ARE COMMITTED TO OUR PARTNER BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO OPERATE, YOU
KNOW, KIND OF -- PARTNER AGNOSTIC BUT, YES, THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GENERALLY FOR-PROFIT. >> RIGHT. SO THESE TYPES OF PERMITS ARE NEW AS YOU KNOW. >> THANK YOU. >> TO MEET THE DEMAND FOR WHAT -- FOR THE TYPES OF
TREATMENT NEEDS THAT WE NEED FOR OVERWHELMING INCREASES IN MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORTS AND OPIOID USE WITHIN -- WITHIN OUR STATE AND I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THIS AREA, THIS COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING ON THE HENNEPIN COUNTY BOARD. THIS
LOCATION HAS A SIGNIFICANT HISTORY AND I'M NOT SURE THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE AWARE WHO ARE ACTIVELY GOING AFTER THE PERMITS. WHILE WE DO NEED IT IN OUR COMMUNITY, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS AREA -- THIS SPECIFIC
HOTEL HAS A HISTORY TO IT, 5 YEARS AGO, THAT OUR COMMUNITY WAS PRETTY MUCH DEVASTATED BY AND NOT JUST -- NOT JUST THE FIRES AND THE UPRISING BUT ALSO THIS SPACE WAS USED TO GATHER. IT WAS USED FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE UNHOUSED AND IT WAS ALSO USED
FOR MUTUAL AID. THE COMMUNITY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO HOUSE PEOPLE THERE WHO WOULD HAVE BURNED TO DEATH HAD IT WEREN'T BEEN FOR THE SHERATON. WHEN I WAS COMING IN TODAY, I RAN INTO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE LAKE STREET COUNCIL WHO WAS PLANNING TO
COMMENT ON THIS ITEM TODAY BUT JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE REAL OUTREACH WITH THE RESIDENTS, THE COUNCILS AND THE COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE BEEN
IMPACTED BY THIS LOCATION, WHO HAVE IDEAS TO SHARE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT CONVERSATIONS -- IN CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPEN BEFORE YOU GET HERE. I CAN THINK OF A FEW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CENTER, LAKE STREET
COUNCIL. THERE'S SOME GREAT PARTNERS ON THAT STRETCH OF LAKE STREET WHO WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT -- WHILE THE OPERATOR CAN'T BE DISCLOSED, I'M HAPPY THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITIES AROUND --
WITHIN THE MIDTOWN PHILLIPS AREA, IN AND AROUND -- WHAT WAS THE SHERATON HOTEL BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CERTAINLY WHAT WE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY, HOW IT'S SHAPED, HOW IT LOOKS, HOW IT OPERATES IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S
GOING TO NEED SUBSTANTIAL RESIDENTIAL IMPACT. SO WHILE THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE I THINK IT WAS ANSWERED BUT IT'S MORE SO SHARING WHAT I'VE HEARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS AREA FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS. >> YEAH, CHAIR COMMISSIONER CONLEY THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT LOST ON US.
YOU KNOW, I THINK -- I'D I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS YES, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO THEM IN -- I BELIEVE IT'S EVEN NEXT WEEK WITH MIDTOWN PHILLIPS NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND WE DO
FULLY INTEND TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE NEAT THINGS ABOUT THIS USE SPECIFICALLY IS, YOU KNOW, A HOTEL -- A STRUGGLING HOTEL IN PARTICULAR CAN'T AFFORD THE SECURITY THAT THIS SITE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WILL BE A
SAFE USE. THIS USE ITSELF WILL ACCOMMODATE AND REQUIRE 24 HOURS A DAY SECURITY BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AND WHO WE SEE IT AS A NET IMPROVEMENT AND WE'VE ALREADY -- WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN MAINTAINING LONGSTANDING DIALOG
WITH THE OWNERS AND MANAGERS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE REAL ESTATE OWNERS ASSOCIATION WITH THE MIDTOWN EXCHANGE SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE CONTINUE TO HAVE AND WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE NIMBLE IN TERMS OF OUR OPERATIONS AND WE ABSOLUTELY
WILL SO WE CAN BE RESPONSIVE SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT LOST ON US THAT THIS IS A PLACE, YOU KNOW, REAL COMMUNITY TRAUMA AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT HE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A SAFE, ACTIVE HEALTHY PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CHOWDHURY? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I ECHO A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS
THAT COMMISSIONER CONLEY SHARED. SHE BASICALLY TEED OFF THE QUESTION THAT WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH MY HEAD AND GOING BACK TO 2020 AND JUST PART OF THE IS OUTSIDE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE PLANNING ON MEETING THE MIDTOWN FILLIPS YOU
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT OTHER GROUPS ARE YOU PLANNING ON MEETING WITH BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY STAKEHOLDERS ALONG THE LAKE STREET CORNERED THAT ARE INVOLVED IN NOT ONLY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND ITS
FUTURE IN THRIVING BUT ALSO IN SUPPORTING UNHOUSED COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SUPPORTING WOMEN WHO ARE FACING DOMESTIC ABUSE, FAMILY PARTNERSHIP FOR ONE
AND -- WHO ARE JUST LIKE REALLY, REALLY INVESTED FOR THE LAST -- I WOULD SAY, LIKE, 30, 40 YEARS IN THE SAFETY, VIBRANCY OF THIS CORNERED, SO, YEAH, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH YOU'RE DOING AND
WHO'S IN MIND. >> WE HAVE MAINTAINED A LOT OF DIALOG CERTAINLY WITH LAKE STREET COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED VERY MUCH ON OUR -- KIND OF OUR INTERNAL PARTNERS WITH THE REOA WHICH INCLUDES, OF COURSE, ALLINA, RYAN AND ALL OF THEIR
OPERATIONS FOLKS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE THE ALLINA IS WITH OPERATIONS. SO WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO BE INVOLVED OF WITH REALLY ANYONE WHO WILL HAVE US AND STAFF HAS MY CONTACT INFORMATION AND IF THERE'S A SUGGESTION THAT YOU HAVE, WE CERTAINLY MET WITH
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINCI AND WE WOULD HAPPILY TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS AND MAINTAINING THAT DIALOG. IT REALLY IS INTENDED TO BE AN ONGOING DIALOG. >> THAT'S GREAT. I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME STAKEHOLDERS THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY
INTERESTED IN HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHO THIS WILL SERVE. AND HOW CLIENTS/PATIENTS ARE GOING TO BE
REFERRED TO THIS LOCATION? >> YEAH. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A POPULATION THAT IS LARGELY IN THIS COMMUNITY ALREADY. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO AGAIN ARE VERY COMMITTED TO
SOBRIETY. THEY NEED A KIND OF STABLE GROUND AND A FRAMEWORK TO HELP SUPPORT THEM AS THEY MAKE THAT NEXT STEP INTO FULL ON -- FULL-FLEDGED HOUSING SO THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REFERRED THROUGH OFTENTIMES THROUGH THE HOSPITALS IN THE COMMUNITY AND
OTHER MORE INTENSIVE PROGRAMS THAT IT EXIST AND, AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY AFTER THE 30 TO 60 DAYS -- AND, AGAIN, THIS IS A REMINDER THIS IS -- NONE OF THESE ARE MANDATORY STAYS. EVERYONE IS HERE VOLUNTARILY. THIS IS A VERY
SECURED FACILITY BUT IT'S NOT A LOCKED FACILITY AND WE DO ANTICIPATE PEOPLE BEING THERE 30 TO 90 DAYS BUT THEY CAN LEAVE AT ANY TIME, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THEY'LL EITHER GO, YOU KNOW, LIVE WITH FRIENDS OR FAMILY OR INTO SOME OF THE SOBER HOMES IN THE
COMMUNITY AND, FRANKLY, IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL SO, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A NEW SYSTEM BUT IT'S PART OF THAT BROADER CONTINUUM OF CARE SO PEOPLE DON'T END UP BACK ON THE STREET
AND END UP WITH THEIR -- YEAH, FALLING BACK INTO OLD HABITS. >> GREAT, THANK YOU, AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG PRIORITY IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY THAT IS GOING TO BE WITHIN AND I KNOW THAT OTHER CARE FACILITIES HAVE
HA HAD PARTNERSHIPS WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY FACILITIES IS THERE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS? >> YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO DEPEND WHO OUR FINAL OPERATOR IS GOING TO BE. WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON BEDS IN THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE COMMUNITY
>> UH-HUH >> BUT AGAIN TO YOUR POINT WE'RE NOT -- WE DON'T ANTICIPATE OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO COME TO US. WE'RE COMING TO THEM, WHERE THEY LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY >> GREAT. I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH SAYING THAT -- I THINK THIS IS A
VERY -- A VERY FORTUITOUS OPPORTUNITY THAT'S HERE BEFORE US. FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE SHERATON HOTEL GIVEN THE HISTORY OF 2020 AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY NEEDED
SHELTER BECAUSE OF THE FIRES BUT ALSO JUST THE ECONOMIC UPHEAVAL OF THAT TIME. AND I REMEMBER MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS JUST ARE NEIGHBORS, MANY STREET MEMBERS
COUNCIL LOOKING TO ELECTED MEMBERS TO SEE IF THE SHERATON COULD BE A SHELTER AND SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY -- FROM MY VIEW PRETTY REMARKABLE TO SEE THAT IT'S HEADED IN A DIRECTION TO SERVE A POPULATION OF PEOPLE
THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE VERY REGULARLY ACROSS ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT ARE UNDERSERVING AND I THINK A HUGE PART OF WHAT WE WE'RE MISSING IS A PLACE WHERE FOLKS CAN LEARN HOW TO
REINTEGRATE BACK INTO COMMUNITY, BACK INTO EVERY DAY SOCIETY AFTER HAVING REALLY, REALLY DEEP STRUGGLE WITH SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AND THEIR OWN SOBRIETY
AND I THINK US AS ELECTED MEMBERS REGULARLY SEE THAT, OTHERS REGULARLY SEE THAT AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TRANSPARENT PROCESS AND GOING THROUGH THIS AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK IN BRINGING THIS
FORWARD TO US >> COMMISSIONER GORDON? >> YEAH, THANK YOU. THIS IS ALSO JUST FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONERS CONLEY AND CHOWDHURY'S COMMENTS THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MORE BEDS ARE GREAT
IN THIS ADAPTED REUSE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE DEALING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. I WOULD ALSO JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO GROUPS LIKE IS OUTSIDE HARM REDUCTION AND NAC THOSE ARE TWO IN PARTICULAR WHO HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH UNDERSERVED GROUPS A LOT OF TIMES. PEOPLE
WITH DEEP HISTORY, DEEP CONNECTIONS TO THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT YOU SEEK TO SERVE AND JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONTACTS AND KNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD HELP. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NOT SEEING ANY. THANK
YOU. >> WROTE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER
DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.)
>> WE HAVE AYES AND 0 NAYS. >> THAT IS DUPED. NEXT ITEM 9 IS 1600, 1608, 1612 LAKE STREET. IN WARD 10. >> CHAIR MEYER, SO STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THIS ONE FOR DISCUSSION ANTICIPATING THAT
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD BE PRESENT. I BELIEVE THE ONLY REMAINING MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM SO WOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION STILL LIKE A PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE, OTHERWISE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WAS FOR APPROVAL. >> ANYONE? ALL RIGHT.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I WILL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY SEDUCTION? ALL IN -- ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. >> ADOPTED >> AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR
BUSINESS FOR THE DAY. WE DO HAVE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THURSDAY ON JULY 10TH AND THEN -- >> CHAIR MEYER, DID WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING -- WE STILL NEED A PUBLIC HEARING -- WE DO WE NOTICED IT AS A PUBLIC HEARING EVEN IF NO ONE'S HERE WE STILL
NEED TO OPEN AND CLOSE IT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> GOT IT. SO WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO ITEM NO. 9? I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) DO YOU WANT
TO SPEAK TO IT? NO, OKAY. (LAUGH.) >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN? >> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. I'LL MOVE IT FOR APPROVAL. >> A SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> OPPOSED. ABSTENTIONS THAT'S ADOPTED. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE DONE. (LAUGH.) >> THANK YOU TO ASPEN FOR SITTING THROUGH THAT. >> DAVE, YOU GOT A GOOD PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING. >> ARE WE GAVELED OUT -- >> NO UPDATES FROM STAFF OTHER THAN WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM AT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THIS THURSDAY. IT IS A UPCOMING TEXT AMENDMENT RELATED TO THE MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN SOME OF
OUR BUILT FORUM DISTRICTS SO THERE'LL BE A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION ON THAT AS OUR CODEVELOPMENT TEAM WORKS ON PREPARING A FINAL RECOMMENDATION. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,
EVERYONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED.