##VIDEO ID:FRcUV81Fxss## that's his line good evening welcome to the minona Schoolboard study session for January 20 time for citizen input uh do we have anyone here wishes to give citizen input today no one has signed up all right so we will move on to the first item on our agenda which is Middle School elective course proposals superintendent law chair Leo hel members of the board uh the school board set a goal to study our Middle School programming since it had not been updated since 2007 that was a board goal actually for the 2023 24 school year in February of 2024 this board approved implementation of a new proposed middle school program the uh implementation was delayed just because of a short window of time to get everything on board we are still moving forward with that working with our teachers to iron out a few details uh we're optimistic that implementation can happen in 2025 although we have not finalized that decision tonight we are going to hear proposed elective course proposals one of the wins of this new program was increased opportunities for students to start to explore potential high school coursework or areas of Interest Dr Amy Leo associate superintendent along with our Middle School principls Pete dimit and fres shocker are going to summarize the proposed course proposals and I'll give let them give you the details on how they came to these courses Dr Leo thank you superintendent law Mr chair member of members of the board uh we appre appreciate the opportunity to be here tonight to uh share with you the Middle School elective course proposals um each year as you know we come to you in the fall typically in November with course improvements and we ask you to approve those in December but on occasions when we've been working on special programs like Tonk online uh some of our momentum programs at the high school and now Middle School we've come to you at a different time of the year and asked for you to look at those courses and to provide your approval so tonight we're here for that purpose so as superintendent law mentioned we spent a great deal of time um over the last year and a half working on a development of a middle school program proposal um and as a part of that we have worked on identifying new Collective opportunities for our students we began working with teachers during the Spring of 2024 to identify or to generate ideas and the focus for that idea generation was really in both providing student Choice as well as preparing students for the types of opportunities they would have at the high school and helping them identify what are their strengths what are those interests that they have to help make some of those Choice selections as they uh move into the high school level um from that we had 807 course proposals initially so there was a large list that was generated by our teachers um those were further refined we really looked at those we looked for similarities um they were combined or clustered and then they were given back to teachers to do further consolidation from that we had a Consolidated list of 44 courses that came forward um after we received those 44 proposals we uh asked teachers to generate descriptions and those descriptions were used to then survey stakeholders and so this past fall our students in grades 5 through 7even and their families of those fifth through seventh graders were provided an opportunity to to complete a survey uh the survey included the descriptions uh they were asked to rate each course on a three-point scale one being not of Interest three being high interest um as well as they were asked to provide what would be the top five offerings they would like to see either for themselves or for their child um that data was uh combined with some data that we gathered from our students who sered on The High School District student teaching and learning advisory that group was asked to give the top five choices they wish they'd had an opportunity to take or that they thought would have helped them prepare and it was very interesting because really the courses that they identified crossed over between the ones the students identified and the ones the families identified you know it's it's interesting when you have attend grade uh boy say you know I wish I had taken speech I didn't know how much I was going to have to present and talk in front of my class in high school and so I mean that's pretty insightful and pretty mature at that point so we really added that uh perspective as well from there all of that data was evaluated and uh that is what resulted in the list of courses that we're going to be sharing with you tonight in addition uh to that process we also brought these course proposals to the district teaching and learning advisory earlier this month and just ran through a synopsis or a quick overview of each course and gave an opportunity for feedback and questions and we received some good insights from that as well so the courses that are being proposed are really in Banks the first one is General electives and this covers um many of the typical areas we currently have electives in as well as this is um the first time really that we've seen offerings and core content areas of English language arts social studies and Science and there were 16 courses that were identified and developed and you received the descriptions of these in your board packet additionally um we had one art course uh proposed and while that seems shallow it's because currently there are several art elective courses that are already offered and that will continue to be offered additionally uh we have required art and music courses that all of our sixth seventh and eighth graders currently engage in you may have noticed on the general list and I could have highlighted that while I was there there are a couple of courses that depending on the teacher and the final design that could also meet a fine arts requirement things like fashion design and construction or web design are two of those courses that have that potential provided they meet the art standards within that course additionally uh this is the first time that we will have immersion electives currently we do have an immersion flavored course that is a part of the seventh grade wheel that as of now continues to be there um but this is the first time that we will have some targeted opportunities both in Chinese and in Spanish as well as a workshop opportunity for immersion students and then we have three physical education uh proposals as well currently we have one elective that has run Main at East and then of course we have the required physical education courses that our sixth seventh and eth graders take so as we continue to move forward um tonight's review is one of our next steps we would then be coming to you to ask for approval of these courses as a part of the February board meeting and then courses once approved can be added to the registration guide um following registration we determine which courses will actually run based on how students register and then finally the courses that would run from these updated opportunities are the ones that would be staffed and that uh teachers would then design and finalize curriculum for so with that we would be happy to answer any questions about these proposals or the process does anyone have a question Mr Vitali uh more of a comment thank you for the report and bringing these uh to us it's really exciting to see and superintendent law talked about it uh um you know be a byproduct of the new schedule um is us being able or well I guess it is us but but being able to to um to even offer these and and so hoping that that we can get continue to get that worked out and love all the variety um even the financial literacy I you know can in this world and really any world you you can't start that early enough and see a lot of potential career paths and a lot of um hooks into the high school programming so it's just yeah really good work it's yeah thank you thank you the financial literacy was the most popular choice by parents not so much although the high school students thought it was valuable Megan um mine's not a question as much as just a comment um one of the things I thought was really interesting is that teaching and learning one of the questions that was asked and you can correct me I think it was a teacher um was there are similar courses to these at the high school and how will that articulate in terms of like is it going to replace those courses and and there was a little discussion around that the teachers uh the middle school and at the high school would work together so that it would be um you could take both it wouldn't just be the same class over again so I thought that was an important Point um that there will be communication and just because you take it in middle school doesn't mean you can't take the parallel course when you get to high school um and then I was just also going to share that my current seventh grader was like Hey which of those electives are going to be offered next year because he remembered taking the survey so I was like I will I will let you know when we do but um so I that I just thought that was kind of cool that that meant that there was interest from the kids around what they're going to be seeing so when you think of it like um for example we currently have a drawing and painting class obviously the high school has a drawing class and they have a painting class it's just at such a different level it's almost like a you know the foundational skills that really figure out what you want to do at and it can maybe trigger an interest like if you take it in middle school and you're like oh that was cool I want to learn more about it then you can continue it in high school so it's kind of like a little taste test and Andrea Hoffman also shared at that meeting that several of the teachers were in communication with high school teachers on the front side or have been over the last couple years where High School teachers were encouraging them to help provide some initial experiences for kids in these areas that's good um what was the most popular for the students I know financial literacy was for the parents do yeah so some of the popular ones for students animal behavior was a big was a popular one fashion design and construction uh outdoor yeah forensics Outdoor Learning was a was a really big for both families and students there was a lot of overlap in the top five between students and parents which was encouraging you know the notable exception was financial literacy but other than that there's quite a bit of of similarity between what parents wanted and what kids wanted which nice to see any other questions or comments I'll just add uh thanks for this work you know the middle school program review has been a a priority for this board for a couple years now and it's good to see coming to fruition and freshening up some of the registration options um and superintendent L is this time work for us if we they come back in February we approve we can will they be offering these then for next year yeah we've kind of sketched out a timeline working backwards from spring break you know our goal is always to be able to let our teachers know what what their reality is before they leave and so it it will be tight but this timeline should allow us get everything into the reg catalog get it in front of the kids and kind of figure out the Staffing based on what electives the kids sign up and be able to hit all those deadlines great well thank you thank you all right next up we have the facilities task force superintendent law Cher Le heler and members of the board members of the community who are watching tonight or at some point in time some of the biggest work that we're working on is uh facility study and what would suggestions from the community look like and so tonight uh and I'll just give a little uh trailer many of our next board meetings will include this topic we will continue to be refining and Gathering input on proposals to a facility task force what we're talking about does not guarantee that there'll be a question on the ballot in November but what we're talking about is a sherback to the community about what physically our community task force recommended so we can start Gathering input from all members of the community and put together something that might meet the needs of community was looking for tonight Executive Director of Finance and operations is going to be showing you the pictures and prices is what I call this presentation what do the buildings look like and what do they cost if we were to listen to the recommendations of the community task force and start to build them so I'm going to turn it over to Mr bah and his current blue screen but I think eventually there'll be pictures and well so I I was connected disconnected connected but it's not May if you disconnect let me just sorry let me just get out of this yeah and then let's again oh there we go okay all right okay thank you one more comment we will post this presentation and opportunity for feedback on the facilities task force page okay thank you superintendent law and uh members of the board you're actually doing something that was last done 29 years ago where the school board at that time in 1995 actually almost 30 years ago in 1995 was uh considering a building Bond referendum that they ran on April 23rd of 1996 and that's the last it was approved 51.5% yes to 48 .5% no that's the last uh building Bond referendum that this district has run so of course you you put together uh the the facilities study task force and um ask them to make some recommendations which they have um so uh they put together their list and they actually checked it twice at two meetings and um presented it to you so next steps is okay well how do you take that list and put it into something that is you know semi- tangible at least and so this is uh trying to look at okay what what were the recommendations how would they tie into a building where on a building they could go um How much would it cost uh and and all those types of things so you know we we the recommendations are at a 30,000 foot level and if you consider you get to the point where you're actually building it that's down at the uh you know 1,000 foot level these are kind of Concepts at the 15 or 16,000 foot level so I'll just uh continue on here um all right so uh we got our series of projects again I kind of covered that first slide uh so um this additional information also is provided with this presentation about the tax impact for the um for the uh approximately 13,000 uh taxpaying residents of the distri or taxpaying Parcels of residents of the district that's included at the end so our next steps again how how things fit on our sites location uh you know also if you're going to build them how are you going to build them how are you going to do something can you put in a location where the construction will minimize the impact on the operation of the school because these projects will take more than just the summer to build so they'll be going on while school's in session so I just put in here not working in a in a a vacuum with the real world um you know we're we're we're looking at this as a consideration uh costs have been going up for examp example the Elementary uh uh physical education gyms that cost about 3 million in 2017 and 2018 actually we have the we have similar gymnasiums in this and they're double you know because of construction inflation um we're working on enacting the SEC the second year consecutive year budget reductions without uh legislative U success uh in terms of getting some help uh and uh our our you know at some point in time in the future our district residents will be asked possibly hope actually hopefully to provide additional resources for maintaining educational programs uh and um so but they're not not immune to the effect of the 2020s uh in terms of accelerated and continuing inflation on their personal finances so in in kind of like putting all these together we're trying to trying to put together a package that is a recommendation that's reasonable and respectful to the residents who are being asked to pay for them it's it's your District it's it's it's their District um our first cut solutions that uh uh took the whole list and and estimated them all out uh we're were're $193 million and uh that would have impacted the 500,000 median uh home at about $13.82 per month and that basically would fall into the 49% support level uh per the Morris leverman survey from June 2024 so um and uh Peter letherman he told us in presentation and also in meetings that you need you need to start out with support of over 60% a level of over 60% out the gate to be able to end up with an actual vote about 50% after the community debates the proposal and then financing that would have been really challenging uh and it would have uh resulted in uh trying to limit the tax impact as best as possible but a significantly larger impact and then uh having steadily increasing uh uh payments because we'd had to use something called uh capital appreciation bonds to actually just kind of make things work but push off some of the payments further out and uh uh have but they would be increasing and that would make it difficult if we were going to be looking at having to do an operating referendum uh if our taxes are going up related to these facilities so we look for some some other options and option b is kind of like Rome isn't wasn't built in a day um it has all facility task force projects recommended uh you know that were recommended for consideration accounted for but we look at utilizing all district facility resources over time uh for instance uh you know a few years back we actually were able to utilize excess uh uh or fund balance that had built up in the uh Community Education fund to build an addition onto the Community Education fund so they're actually in a very favorable position again that might be a resource that we can use to handle the community Community Education fund and not ask taxpayers to to pay for um so um we looked at um focus on the 912 campuses for this U kind of option b uh there's no changes to the elementary schools in terms of what was recommended uh at the middle schools it's all the solutions about a second cut at the solutions the same thing at the high school and other projects we recommended some for future action as additional needs or funding sources becomes available but uh you know there this is just one way ultimately uh you know the you all will be deciding all some or none and uh so you're the Admirals of the district and you have to make that decision and uh um you know we're you know I'm I'm I'm a good Marine whatever you say to go i' be I I and we'll do it uh but it's it's a it's a big decision so trying to get you the best information we possibly can so we'll start at Clear Springs and uh I go back and I'm not going to read through them all but you know the task force items uh increased restrooms larger Ed special education space and and small group spaces at Clear Springs were on the list uh some of the things that we had to consider are on the right it's the same way for each one of the schools you know where's the plumbing uh you know for additional staff restrooms for instance um there's limited options for addition location it's a tight site uh how do we get at the site for construction uh how how things would impact the school staging materials and storm Rod retention Pond requirement and the location for for that and uh so we've taken all that into account and we came up with a recommended solution that basically shows uh uh in addition out the uh Southeast side or actually that's a northeast side this is a little bit off of North or through North um where we would provide additional additional motor room space and small group rooms and then uh additional staff restrooms right in the back corner which is actually very close to a water supply so it all would fit we'd be able to basically come come in the back off this caac like we did for this gym Edition back here we'd be able to Stage off in the corner and have construction kind of isolated off on the side while activities kind of went on utilizing the playground and everything else during construction and staying away from driving through the front so that's that's a a method of how um the other thing is oh before I forget there's about 140,000 Square ft of additional space in these recommendations and there is uh about 50,000 uh square feet of renov of renovation to repurposed so it's pretty significant that's about 200,000 Square fet um and just for reference uh it's in in the process of building the district for open enrollment and all that we've added about 37,000 square feet over 15 years so this would be a big chunk like that out you know at in in in a more compressed amount of time uh so this is just kind of zooming in a little bit tighter and again you can see 2,800 uh first floor Remodel and a 3,000 foot addition zooming in a little closer so um got our drone zipping in here oh uh it's atsr has this habit of putting stars to easily identify main entrances are in blue and a secondary are in white so but oh it's a really good plan too though so earn a star no I'm just um so here's the cost of that uh restrooms 268,000 uh the special education motor classroom and the adjustments to make access to it about 2.3 million uh and then uh small group spaces uh 749000 so $3.3 million is is the estimate provided by atsr and that's based on uh an average of all these projects going out to bid in March of 2027 uh some are going would go out sooner some would go out later because we have to space it out um to make it affordable in terms of a bond issue uh on the and easier on the taxpayers we actually space Out Construction over basically um summer of in theory summer of 26 27 uh 28 and then a little bit in summer of 29 I mean well ending in summer of 29 DAV and Elementary School the task force items were gymnasium small group spaces and staff restrooms would you would you prefer to do questions by building or have people take notes and come back at the end um I think we can take them as we go if people have them and then we probably will have more questions at the end as well I think we've got time on the agenda for just for board members who might have questions sure so let's any any questions about what we heard so far While We're stopped you answered my one question which was about the timing of the estimat so I appreciate that um at Daven Elementary School uh gymnasium small group spaces and staff restrooms and the site impacts we a lot of things were considered uh the the real uh tricky thing here is the storm water retention Pond requirements um and the location of it because the lower level uh the lower level is and then the associated playground location the lower level down down in this it doesn't show up the lower level down here uh is actually in Infield Wetland which we can't do anymore but it was done a long time ago but you can't put any storm water underground storm water Retention Ponds there and the reason we've always done underground is because we have such tight spaces and rather than build a big hole in the ground and have it fill up with water uh we like to put them underground so we can still do things on top of it like play Grounds or parking but the the so the solution to add a a gymnasium and and uh basically the the similar size gymnas actually exact same size gymnasium to what we've built at for the five other elementary schools the exception being a Shel Shire where we put one a gym and cafeteria into the kind of the center of the building but um this is the only school that does has not received an additional gymnasium uh so they're really tied on assembly space and tied on fied space and c and uh it this kind of helps free up their cafeteria also for a few more hours to be able to stretch out their if they need to but um we would it would made sense to actually put the gym on the existing playground so then the question is like well what do you do with the existing playground well the the proposal or the solution is you push it out and build build a large retaining wall so if you think of kind of the retaining wall like we have at Veterans Field or veterans at eer Anderson uh build a large retaining wall like that and P push that playground out there and then that gives us the space to put the play ground or the gymnasium in a good position relative to community use also but on the south end and we we know that we can put underground storm water underneath here add additional um uh small group rooms on the on the hallway that connects the gym to the building and then uh there's actually a couple of U because of we have these small group classrooms it it would be possible to actually do a uh a restoration of some small groups classrooms in that space if needed uh or could still be left the way it is it's there's two like half-sized classrooms but that is that's the concept uh and that's how we squeeze it onto the site uh the uh again kind of just zeroing in a little bit tighter and so the gymnasium Edition is 11,600 square ft and uh you can see how we have specialist rooms and staff restrooms but the staff restrooms also can function as restrooms for gym Asian use when uh on weekends and evenings so the cost here 268,000 for staff restrooms about 11 .2 million 11.9 million almost $122 million for that gymnasium and the connection to it and the playground removal and the and the retaining wall uh so that's why it it says gymnasium but it's all that to make it possible to put on that site and so you're looking at a total of about 13.15 five million uh 12,7 00 ft total of new construction and 11,000 squ ft of heavy renovation real quick um do we have any updates on the secondary Auto queue that we were trying to get installed at De deep Haven any any progress there or well we we we haven't done anything with that because um the the cost kept escalating because of the storm water require because that is going to have to be drained farther down at the end of this presentation we do have about three Mill it's up to about $3 million but we do have $3 million in here for that secondary Auto que okay so at exceler elementary school um staff restrooms you know um were another popular item on the upper floors and uh a second Music Room larger nursing spaces and small group spaces and then Lobby Rec uh reconfiguration the the actually the real the the real rationale for actually recreating the lobby or pushing the lobby out is it basically provides the space to convert the existing offices into small group rooms so you push that out uh and then put a second music room that that basically all of our schools basically have more than one Music Room except for uh well exceler does also but they're using a classroom for it that had originally been built for as a kindergart Gard room um so they uh that would that would recapture that space so to speak and then um uh in this situation again uh we're proposing to put restrooms near plumbing and there's uh there's limited options for an addition on this look site also it's very tight um and uh site access is going to be be interesting I I think for any any uh construction that we do we'd have to get it and it wouldn't be much of a problem I don't think but we'd have to get an easement to use kind of the uh the a little bit of staging on the RightWay of the of Highway 7 possibly uh although worst case you can always stage on the back lot parking lot and they just have to haul their materials a long way U you know been I've done construction projects like that where that's they needed to store further you know stage further away um in this situation in addition we require storm water retention Pond but we'd be able to plop that down right underneath the uh the front parking lot and so in that in that situation also um you know those are the kinds of things where during construction you you stage or you plan for that stuff to be done while school's not session so there's different things you do at different times so again right out the front you can see we're we're uh stacking restrooms above existing staff restrooms so kind of zooming in a little bit closer just to kind of give you the lay of the land with the overall item this uh particular sorry forgot my Pointer's not on here that is the classroom that was built to be an additional kindergarten room a few years ago but it became a u and I guess enrollment has Dro but it became a music room so as you can see with this and I'll zoom in a little closer whoops um we push so this is this is currently the administration right in here and uh and the nursing area uh principal's offices assistant's office there's a conference but all this would be converted into small group spaces move the principal and assistant princi princi out move the nurses out and then uh I'll put a second music room here uh next to the other music room too so it's off kind of in an area where if you're uh you know if you get the the band going at at Full Steam it doesn't necessarily travel down the hallway quite so far so my dad was a music teacher for 42 years and his band room was way off in the back of the building behind the gyms so I have a I have a question about the restrooms on the second and third part of the tower there am I correct in my assumption that that is probably reclaiming that bump out space that's on the second and third floor corner classrooms um we would well we would we're going to try to reconfigure but we may have to like grab a little bit of space cuz they have like sinks and things in those Corner classrooms it's and so we're going to have to like push those in a feet the the thing about a single a single stall single use room like that is it doesn't have it doesn't have to be super big um so but you're correct um that that's what we have to do okay thanks so 3,400 square feet addition and a 2100 square feet of remodel so the cost here the staff restrooms actually um are going to be 173,000 uh per the estimate the U nurse principal reception area which basically moves that out and then the small 2.3 million in the the small group spaces about $800,000 of of uh renovation and then the music room would be about 1.6 so it be about 4.78 million so we keep going uh Groveland uh staff restrooms again they'd like a second music room also they have a second mus music room but it's a small space that we actually made out of a former um a former gymnasium storage area so uh and small group spaces and they did ask to do do some things you know there was discussion about circulation and all that kind of stuff so this also kind of ties into that very similar uh uh situations in this situation though at Groveland the bus carral has already been downsized with the various additions we did out the back of the building over time so it's pretty tight in there to get all the buses in so we're trying to do whatever we can to not impact the bus carral and push it out further uh also trying to maintain the playground areas cuz if we start pushing the bus carral out we got to rebuild the playground um but also that playground has been downsized a few few times for additions and and moving the East parking lot back um so we try to try to uh try to squeeze it on there as tightly as possible so this kind of gives you an overall view of the campus and it shows the main addition area one single area to for most of the main construction and um uh some renovation area um on the uh in kind of the the Northwest uh you know elbow crook of the uh of The West Wing so we look at at a music room and this music room has to be built to tornado shelter standards but it's not nearly the cost of a tornado shelter at the at the uh um manage momentum building but uh so that would have reinforced um reinforced con concrete and all that kind of stuff to make it impervious to an F5 tornado um it's interesting because the Cod is so unique you have to do it for the capacity of the addition and but not for the rest of the school so um but the uh and the reason we actually have to do that is what we're doing in this situation is I'll zoom in a little closer we are basically converting two existing classrooms into small group rooms and providing a connection through so but we're pushing the classrooms where students are in all day out to the outside so they have light uh natural light and then we're also adding this additional hallway so this would kind of give a almost like a internal roundabout circulation between the two hallways uh but also would free up a little bit of the the the functional or the congestion space when they're actually having lunch going through the lunch lines and stuff uh and uh so we add that hallway to the outside but that what that hallway is designed to have uh glass all the way across so that you still have the bar of light right through uh into the classrooms I currently have outdoor outdoor exposure because it is important to provide daylight um there's been St long time ago I had it in fact I still have it somewhere but I had a a study where um where they measured the progress of students in uh Portland Oregon where it was you know a lot of rain um Southern California where it was um Sun sunny all the time and in Florida where was variable and the impact of natural light and it didn't in in students in classrooms with daylight and students that did not and the students in the classrooms with daylight progressed faster no matter if it was in Cloudy sunny or variable so it is it is an important thing I always say that we are you know we we we always living in caves but we could always see out you know we're we're so we want to live on the inside but we want to see the outside it's just ingrained in our DNA so uh at grovin El Elementary we'd have the uh staff restrooms and and actually it just backing up with this so there's a there's an additional restroom uh that's in the inside of the tornado shelter because you have to provide a restroom there so even though it's a music room it's like really going to be it's designed so it could be a third staff restroom and uh small group spaces um the conversion would be about a million dollars and the music room uh with the tornado shelter and and that includes um that includes the classrooms the new classrooms and the hallway stuff so it's about a $4 million addition of 5,400 ft and 2,800 of heavy renovation so minowa any questions on the grovin okay thanks I think I remember to pause um so at at minowa uh staff restrooms um replace a media center and small group spaces and uh the media center at uh Minash is about 2,900 ft and it's it's less than half than the other elementary school media centers so the idea there is uh looking at putting a media center onto the attaching it onto the building and uh and then repurposing that Media Center space in the small group rooms so you know we have the bus Corral right next in in the parking and that works well their site circulation works well it's a tight site we don't have much space to the east um so if we're going to do an addition it'd be looking at at adding on out the north so this is kind of the uh High Lev view of the site where we look at a media center uh on the North End and uh staff restrooms actually they have staff restrooms kind of down on this end and in the middle so we had staff restrooms on the North End and um and then repurposing the existing Media Center in the small group so kind of zooming in a little bit closer just getting a little tighter in where you can see where where all that is kind of on a global standpoint so what we would be doing is is pushing out the back we'd actually still leave enough space for that little tall baseball field to stay back there uh but we're also pushing the building away a little bit to make sure that the music room still has some natural light uh and uh it's just a another exit for you know fire escape and all that type of stuff too uh we also there's enough space in there that you could actually even add a small group room for activities in the media center and that that Media Center is actually the grovin footprint so it we they' get it if you're familiar with the grovin media center it's that that's it um it it we don't have the curve on the end but I mean but that's the square footage at the Groveland Media Center is so just a little bit tighter look at at these areas and uh so it would that would that would make a big difference to them because they could really um they could really do some of the other activities that all the other schools are doing in their Media Center that they're really not able to do because it's so tight what is the white little room areas by that star oh that's actually not rooms that is the handicapped access ramp out the the back of the building oh okay yeah for uh for a person who's in a wheelchair you have to you you go out you make a left turn you have to go down and then come back so it's a little Zig down because there's about a 4ot drop from the back door to the playground and you need that long of a ramp to make it you know wheelchair accessible so uh 276,000 for two staff restrooms small group spaces of about 600,000 in renovation and then the media center which is a big addition uh about four 4.8 little almost 4.9 million so 5.7 at at minowa so last Elementary School Scenic Heights uh increased staff restrooms in small group spaces uh the uh you know it's it's it's interesting but the least amount of requests were at Clear Springs and at Scenic Heights but they just felt their buildings had what they needed otherwise and so but that's what we want we want people to tell us what do you need what do you feel like you're short so um you know in in this situation it's an interesting site and uh we actually propos going out the back uh this actually is cited such that if we ever needed to do something else uh to if the Chinese program exploded or something like that uh we would still be able to like add another addition along the back make another Courtyard around that white star and connect it across to the other uh to the other hallway but um we have a music room Edition on here there's a cafeteria Edition still showing on this um we don't have that priced in but we can I we think if we do we can get that probably out of just um out out of the contingency fun it's not a very big one they have the tightest they have a very tight cafeteria uh but the the other thing is is they ask to or they they would like a a um they more small group spaces but the way we get small group spaces is to actually take this music room which was a converted it's a converted backside of what used to be the stage in the original gymnasium this is the original gymnasium and it had a a stage back there and that was the back side of the stage we actually excavated off the stage as as the or the backside because the stage was already had been walled off many years ago and uh we converted that into a uh a relatively small music room but we converted into a second music room but the idea is we would push this out the back next to the other music room which is out the back on the southwest corner and have a similar size two equal size music rooms and then we would grab uh in all these we try to get at least six small group rooms for the elementaries um but we have um um so two there and we'd convert uh this room into four small group rooms off the hall hallway kind of very similar to what we have right here and then you can see we have have space for cafeteria that would give them five more tables which five more tables of 12 which is a big a big increase in capacity so um anyway that's what uh it looks like up close and uh so in in the process again 258,000 for restrooms small group at 839 and the replacement music room for about $ 1.9 so a little over $3 million so just a note um I noticed on the um intro slide for Cena kites there are only two items bulleted under task force items so the cafeteria Edition and Music Room were not listed there might just be a CL oh the Reason Music Room wasn't listed there is because we what we did is rather than add a bunch of small group rooms and have them all out the back we it we thought it was advantageous to have the small music rooms or small group rooms in the middle so we to do that we put the music room off the back with the other music room because this this music room is kind of in the middle of this whole educational area and so we took the noisy activity moved it out and then converted into small group so it's not new construction it's new construction but it's replacing an existing music room so it's not like a new music room it's just relocating yeah so it's not a new music room in terms of being they have a second music room but we thought it was a logical thing if we were going to be doing this work to put that out back there and then have the you know move the move the noisy activity out of the middle of the school put put it there but we don't have to do that we could just add four small group rooms out the back thank you or you know four more so um yeah about about a little over three million yeah and then are those near the music room is is that the the two staff restrooms the additional yes bathrooms back in that corner yeah any any place where you see a t on there yeah there there's a couple right right down there so um then um let's see okay East Middle School so this now we're starting to get into some some some of the bigger dollars really the um and actually in some respects almost the middle schools are kind of one of the big impetuses for this whole thing uh because in the process as as we grew our uh you know in 2007 our middle schools were at about I'm just ballparking at 850 students they had been as high as 12200 in the early 2000s and then um the uh actually and and West Middle School actually been in the 80s uh they they're built in the 60s and so they're they're utilized but then in the uh in the 80s uh for a period of time the West middle school was closed and leased out and uh but it was reopened and uh but they at about 800 students each 850 students each and now they're a little bit over 1300 each or at approximately 1300 um so um as as this grew though um in the program being different from when they originally built in 1964 we added the we moved the swim program here from West Middle School because we wanted to build a the community want us to build a larger pool um we we built a larger pool a fast pool someday if I ever time more time I'll tell you what a fast pool is but uh we built a fast pool and um so if you do go there you'll see that um once they moved in there they started winning putting pennants on the wall again uh but we added that which was really not a capacity increase to the building uh for students but as as the students grew uh the only thing that we did in terms of additional classrooms was added five classrooms on the southwest corner of uh of East Middle School and you'll see them uh five classrooms on the North West Corner those were the only additions to the building related to the open enrollment growth so uh it's they did have extra space in the building so but they're they're they're pretty tight right now um so at at East Middle School and it was one it was our first meeting and actually Wes was our second one uh but increasing staff restrooms everybody want wants and requires small group spaces for good reasons uh in the process of growing these buildings uh we instead of adding science rooms we ended up converting you know part of it was the ability that was the fact that we were doing this without doing a bond referendum so we had to use dollars uh as efficiently as possible and it was uh less dollars to convert some existing rooms into science classrooms that had not been purpose built rather than than building them at the time because that's what we could afford to do with kind of managing you know our bonding capacity that's not you know that that was internal to our existing resources so um but purpose-built science classrooms uh would be a valuable item and then the gymnasium for a fourth uh physical education station the uh fourth physical education station right now is actually in the storage room for the the double gyms in the lower level and it's it's really tight uh so uh this would would basically do that and then a performance space they ask for so now in in looking at that we're going to go through a couple things on the performance space but um uh so we looked at the plumbing locations of course for the restrooms site AIS for construction the big thing the big thing with uh um site access well I'll I'll just go through this list first uh School impact you know by construction staging materials uh storm water retention Pond where do you put that uh because here the water table's really high on the west side it a lot of that used to be swamp that was also filled in back in ' 64 when you could still do that and we have the whole issue of parent drop off and pick up in in bus Corral congestion with everything coming in that one main driveway so it's a it still is a tight site but what we looked at is um one of the first things was move the buses out of the current bus carral and convert we be gained uh 46 additional parking spots and then actually 92 parking spots for evening and event activities and change a student entrance to a entrance on the west side uh along with that we would put four science rooms and and then we would convert the existing rooms that had been converted to science rooms back to other uses which you'll see on another slide and then we looked at performance spaces and um what's what's Len's last name um for Len sh works for wal and um we we came up with the the concept of doing a combination to be able rather than a an auditorium which is also very expensive this is the second cut but most middle schools that are being built new they typically will have a performance space off of off of gymnasium so a performance venue uh so you know it's listed on here stage I I prefer the thing the term performance venue because it is it's it's uh and and we got some some slides to show you on that um so and then as a in the process of that if if we constructed this uh um the gy and performance venue here we'd be able to basically hollow out the West End and and basically grab that whole thing for full-time cafeteria so it would increase the cafeteria space that way at relatively low cost um the other thing is on aite on this site the idea of constructing these areas like this is you'd be able to Stage off of the off of the uh play fields and all that all the construction activity would be kind of around the perimeter rather than right in the middle of you know um you they're really good and at MSP is at building you know between the runways and stuff like that but we only have one Runway um so um we you know additional staff restrooms uh and uh and cover you know that that request so we put a new student entrance in the back and and there also would be lockers in this situ this would be a wide enough thing that we'd be able to put all lockers and take the lockers out of the middle of the media center um those were actually transferred in there a number of years ago principal dimmit uh was having issues with um with the growth and just student behavior and stuff particularly in eth grade hallway and uh so we moved basically the lockers out of that area and put them into the media center so um it' be opportunity to move that out but there's a couple other things as we drill down here that I'll note related to that because we have some small group space but we also because of building four science rooms we also gain uh large group space so there's a little bit better drawing a little bit more recent drawing and you can see uh science rooms uh we put a couple of restrooms staff restrooms there and staff restrooms there so we'd actually more than double the staff restrooms there would be student restrooms up around the gymnasium uh on the on the main level also so uh lots of restrooms and then uh we're Shing uh to the science rooms that would be converted back up in the middle there uh and those will be converted to small group spaces and it could be a lot of small group and a medium group or so we determin how to divide that up you know it's a pretty big space but then the other thing is uh these are science rooms these are pretty decent science rooms for the grade level there so we would be keeping those propos to keep those but um these two rooms are currently science rooms but they would be able to be repurposed and what we propos to do there is we'd end up uh taking this function and putting it over here um and um but what that would do is it would in essence because all these rooms are actually available for we take whatever functions in here well the I'm sorry these two would be moving over here so these two would be open so I mean we wouldn't really have to move anything but the bottom line is is what we would do is we'd actually take to get some larger uh group space we would take out this wall and we'd actually put new windows here and kind of make this be combined part of the media center but a large group space and there's this um there's this type of wall system called dirt walls it's D iir TT but uh it's it's just a uh I don't know if they thought it was cool or what but um they are basically removable so you can you know open up a room and just kind of slide them out of the way and so it' be a situation where you'd have uh you know basically these are are um 15 you got 3,000 square fet okay okay so how big is 3,000 square ft that is almost as big as the small gym at uh deep paven you where the cafeteria is so you'd have that big space but it also would be right off the media center so if you did he needed something where it was even more space or a really big function or a night function you just open everything up and all a sudden you just got this whole this whole space and by knocking out the windows or knocking in some windows over here now and and having these be clear glass kind of you basically finally have uh after what 60 years you actually have natural light coming into the center of the media center so that is is uh what we would do with all that the gymnasium is a uh full High School Court uh but and then the stage uh for concert and plays it's it's a um what's the with well we have we have 750 seats in that thing so what I need to do is actually just get out of this thing and and um pop into this real quick okay do I have to close that down okay I will I I'll just close that down and get to um oh that's funny okay I'll open it back up and I'll get back there so these are drawings of what this performance venue and Stage would look like so um High School court and then um there's uh rows of uh of chairs chair bleachers so um they actually chairs with armrests and then that's the size of the stage so there's also stage right and stage left so for middle school plays there's ample space to have in front of the prum the prum is that wide but there's a lot of space to have stage right and stage stage left and you have you know people exiting and entering and doing all the things you do during plays so this is what it would look like with all the all the seats down you basically have 753 seats which actually is plus eight uh wheelchairs so 761 which which actually exceeds the seting of the art center so these are all pull out U armchair bleachers and um uh our armchair seating and then uh that's you know you have room to put chairs on on the bottom um or on the on the the the floor also for um the principls to be able to pull in you know a class at a time or large groups of parents so um this is just an idea of we would be adding up on the top there's all the various lighting controls uh would be um you'd access access them when when the uh when the bleachers are pulled out or the uh the seating is pulled out but there's a control set up up on the top level there you can see light bar uh that would be uh you know for lighting things up and all the appropriate light bars and Cur and Etc that you have on the stage and then red is actually a large projection screen 26x 15 for all the events where people have to present data so much bigger space than they currently have now in the in the uh um in the media center so there's just a few venue a few pictures here I'm just going to zip through these but it kind of gives you an idea so you see the the all the chairs pulled in but there's enough space where you can pull a couple of rolls out for community events baset or whatever still have enough seating on the sideline for the team so you don't have people's legs sticking out um and again just a just a couple different views the stage actually would have uh be able to be completely closed off so the reality is you could actually have basketball going on while you have some other type of whether it's some other type of practice going on on the other side uh whether it's music or or acting classes or acting or or the or practicing for the plays or or whatever this is it's kind of funny I said why do you have the sunlight showing in because we probably put Windows on the North side like we've done with all of our gyms a high up like that but uh they said well we just put it in there to to give depth so we don't have a big Bank of sun of Windows on the on the west side but uh so you can kind of see the this is a high-end uh se you know it's it's cloth seating it's not plastic seating so it's you know very much like the chairs in the uh in the Art Center I'm going to zip through you can there you can see again another with the stage closed off this is just to show you where uh lighting would be and what the angles are to be able to get lights on the on the performance venue um another version of that so um this is kind of a side view with them pulled out and there's the uh the light person at the top waiting waiting for their queue so if you're up at the light area this is U at the lightboard and all that kind of stuff there you are right in front of the crinium just a a comment so did I hear you correctly that if this was new construction for a middle school you would expect likely that this would be the kind of accommodation that would be available I think that's a really compelling thing that the community will want to know if this gets up for consideration mhm yeah I mean right that's what Len told us I mean and and and atsn told us that too because theyve built some new middle schools too and they typically will do something like this MH where was there discussion with the uh arts or music staff that have been using the existing facilities about whether this would meet their needs or not yet we have not gone out we're just showing this to you but you know we're going to be having additional conversations with everybody fair enough uh this is showing you with with the screen down and uh you know guest performer uh Robert Zimmerman uh ready to play on the front front of the stage um and you know just from the far Corner kind of what it would look like and no there's not going to be a skylight on top allthough that would be cool open up in the summer yeah so anyway so it just kind of gives you an idea though and the thing is is the big difference between oh I left yeah I left on there the big difference between this facility it's it doing the combination like this also it's it's part of the chunk of what brought down um it would have been about $25 million for each of the let me see here yeah we're at 44 million for East and we you know the initial cut and now I'm going to go back I'm going go back into the other uh presentation so I got to open back up again and then uh all right I'll just sit through here okay so um yeah the other thing is this slide actually has a little bit of you know it's called a vision platform CH new combination of comfort instructional trigger so it's anyway but it's a real chair it's got real cloth all that kind of stuff so and arms sidearms so um anyway so and here's just so here's just kind of a how the additions would look approximately uh the the uh one of the first things we would have to do is build this bus Corral a to try to get things out of the way but B um underneath this bus carral this is real expensive it's almost $4 million or so because we have to um we have to raise it up about 10 ft so we can put an underground storm water tank underneath that take the storm water run off from that Edition and that Edition and um that way that's how we can control it and we keep the underground storm water Pond above the water table that which is only 2 or 3 feet below that low level so it's um it's pretty crazy um but uh anyway so you see here staff restroom small group spaces um Performance gym large group um about 16.6 million that's about a about about a $10 million difference between building that and ex and adding a separate Auditorium would be it a gym would be about 10 to 11 million and then an auto term would be about 20 to 25 so um let's see what are we have on here at uh yeah it' be about seven at at at East it' be about 17.9 yeah so we saved you know a considerable amount of money between the two that's how we got the dollar value of the whole thing down because into a amount that's actually you know in the range where we end up with a majority of people being able to AFF saying that they would support the bond payment you know the tax so but uh about a $ 31.4 million investment overall 25.6 uh 100 25,600 ft of new construction and 6,000 heavy renovation so at West oh sorry questions on um I actually have two questions on the slide before that one um oh go back one more sorry I guess yeah so NOP go back one more please uh one more there we go okay so that Flex space the orange one in the middle could that potentially also be like you mentioned where it is like one big space but with retractable walls between so that it could be used as a big group or you could have it multiple small we had that at the school that I taught it was like one of the most used rooms because you could take multiple classes in or you could pull the walls out and have you know one class or half a class and it was really useful so um and then my second question is just to make sure that I'm looking at the map right the buses now would be able to go straight into the Corral so they wouldn't have to go fight the cars from parents into that one single entrance anymore yes so what happened is okay we would right now the buses go come in here yeah and then they actually go down here and right about here they come out right yeah and we would move the uh the bus Corral entry here and actually it's kind of hard to tell from this drawing but this would be just a separate parking lot for like staff so you couldn't even go from here to here the buses would come in park here and then they loop around and come back out okay um and and they would just use this entry so so yeah it's still going to be busy but not having the buses all going up here with all the cars would be a huge you know a huge traffic relief yeah and I think that would address I mean that's one of the community concerns I hear the most and we get messages about is that East traffic congestion so I think that would be another compelling thing for the community well the the frustrating thing with this site is um we don't a long time ago we actually had an idea to try to like Loop down behind the the uh the pool and come out all the way down on the southwest corner of the but you're taking up a lot of the green space but also you have to build on the um on the of the Wetland so you'd have to raise that whole thing up so it' be hugely expensive and at that time actually wasn't really something the city was even interested in yeah but not yeah now they might be a little more interested but anyway but the point being is is um there's not ABS in something like that there's not space to like really extend the car loop as I mean we actually over time we actually did vehicles used to just come in here and turn at the front right by the the front of the building and load up and then go back out and we extended it to the back and we made you know a third lane so we can at least stack double the cars on the inbound lane and then go all through you know the current configuration so that that's what we could do with you know making the best we can with with what we had available but um yeah there's you know whereas at West they have they just have a bigger campus and it's much more of it's usable and they have the ability we had the ability to really kind of get a circuitous route so we have stacking space or like at grovin we were able to drive out around convert the running track into running track slash car stacking and uh so get everybody off the road at least it still is a long queue but at least they're not on the road so um so then yes we're at about 31 .4 million there um and any more on East okay uh we press on so Middle School West similar restroom small group uh purpose built science classrooms gymnasiums for a fourth PE station and performance space so it's almost like uh Freya and Pete might have talked or something I don't know um so um but uh or they ESP and they just but um same same things Plumbing location storm water retention Pond but that here it's a lot easier it's High Ground we can just dump one of those things there as many as we need out underneath the parking lots and and we're good to go so much less of a concern compared to uh East Middle School so uh this is the latest configuration you know and actually everybody says it's working pretty good so um the funny thing about it is is I don't think you're there yet David but during um bus driver appreciation day um one of the bu bus drivers he said hey thanks for uh fixing mmw and then everybody clapped so I think you were there Amy right so you know the bus drivers appreciated too um so uh anyway so very similar but here we've got the water tower and we got that easement and uh we really can't put a gymnasium back there um also we have a huge storm water above ground storm water pond that's part of the whole storm water thing but bottom line is is that gymnasium won't fit there and be out of the kind of like the fall area of the water tower so um here what we're proposing to do is putting it adjacent to the cafeteria uh now the uh they load up and unload back here that's the car queue coming around um so we would push out with the same gym same performance venue uh and uh but just push out a little bit and then we'd have to real line this track that's that's not not that big of an expense but relatively speaking four science rooms uh restrooms in the same approximate location just uh back H back over here we'd actually uh because of performance venue is right here and there's no upper level like we could do at East where we had the restrooms for the uh and at East when this was on the back it was really close to the restrooms that we built for the um for the the uh uh swimming pool and so there's a ton of restrooms really close to that here we' have to put some restrooms closer to the uh to the basketball court but this will still be an improvement in the space and um uh in the space available for for lunch so um I'll just so again same kind of seats same you know same bleachers just uh different places so um we would look at oh now it's showing up we look at doing the flex space um science rooms here uh a couple of Staff restrooms here um restrooms here for the gym and concert plays course and actually all these little white dots are actually R TOS um we would do the same thing since we have four science areas we basically here would be grabbing this space uh but we look at grabbing both of these spaces and doing the same thing where we would knock Windows into here and open this up and put the movable partitions in on on this situation they have a they have a different setup at this school and so this is a full full-time classroom but we had put some Flex space in this area which is a pretty large space it was it was converted just this last year this year a science room um so but we would end up with u um one two oh uh actually three one two three four five actually this is the other one that we do claim get get the claim back but we'd keep these two and um and you know and they would end up having all purpose-built science rooms so um one two three four five six seven eight what they and um let's see well um so again a little close up on the first floor uh we we try to put uh where we're already doing things uh also in this situation in and actually over at the at I forgot to mention over at East one of the science rooms has to be a storm shelter for the that science room Edition so it would be built with thicker walls uh to comply with the code and then again the same performance venue situation same chairs um so it would be same capacity and then this is kind of what it would look like with two different additions and we' probably stage off of the off of the track and uh we might might stage off of here on the backside just for this depends how we stage stage the actual building but we might give them two staging areas if we have to this P area is not used much and we staged off the back before for a couple of things for for this other addition that we did back in um in 2013 before you go off of this um so are they losing you know the basketball courts that are kind of right by where the uh cars come in the outdoor basketball courts are they losing those are they being relocated because they seem like they're used fairly like a lot um they they they would be losing those because of the this gymnasium addition so uh could we put down a slab of asphalt somewhere for them elsewhere yeah um you know we might we might we'd have to look at that but um that be some that's kind of more of a a detail that we'd have to work through with the you know with the the staff uh as we actually because if we actually do all this stuff we're literally going to be drawing on these things for months and we're going to sit down with each site we would sit down with each site with the principal with the staff impacted all that kind of stuff and go through everything and make sure that we have everything included so again this is at you know the 15,000ft level but yeah this shows that those basketball courts aren't there so we'd have to find a place to cuz yeah they do they got they actually even over there they have a um a Gaga pit so um so the cost of this is again similar for restrooms small group spaces uh the large group space is um actually relatively inexpensive uh and then our science lab is about the same the Performance gym large group is a little more expensive because of the need for all the restrooms uh and then remodeling or you know kind of gutting out areas for the cafeteria expansion so this is about 25.5 million the big difference between West and East is the not have to build a bus carral since we just did it any other mmw okay so now minetonka High School uh they it's amazing but you know if you ask the staff and it's like hey basic human need uh staff restrooms um to be able to be able to get between classes uh when they need to and uh uh principal Ericson really would like to have uh student services area reconfigured to accommodate increase staff uh they really like the Loft we won a national award for that it's hanging out there in that little Al Cove um but they'd like more Loft style Collaborative Learning spaces and actually the um uh all of Vantage momentum is pretty much built in Lost Style with large with classrooms and breakout spaces and stuff they like more of that there if they could um relocate the fitness center because they like to get the aviation program that they have have there up there the first level of Aviation which is really popular and a good thing they like to relocate that to the fitness center and uh and gain back use of the Loft to be used as the Loft uh activities um well they they they would like to be able to they have growing Varsity programs uh and so having another gymnasium for various practices um another general purpose gymnasium more or less general purpose for various Varsity uh grow programs but then also an additional PE station would be would be handy especially on uh um the really cold days where they're not going down to the Dome uh because they do use the dome for an additional PE station and then the wrestling program it's been in in the basement uh since uh well for a long time Pro I'm probably from the beginning of of the um almost the beginning of the school uh the uh I know part of the gy the wrestling area is actually the old locker rooms from the original 1952 locker rooms and um so the uh and the other issue there is they have a lot of padding around the post but if you're wrestling and you're throwing somebody and stuff even if you get a lot of padding if you hit that the wrong way it's not really a good not not good things can happen so that's the reason for like wanting to look at trying to get that out of the basement um so and looking at this doing site site access um how we build things School impact um where would we stage although we we have the ability to stage on a lower lot for a lot of things which is actually a good thing uh where can we put a storm Rod retention pond on their parking lot very tight site so you know we uh I can't say it enough but we have 100 Acre campus but uh only 49 acres are actually usable because the rest of it wet land so so or protected protected trees so like west of the uh west parking lot kind of down the right field line of of Veterans Field so we've got the second biggest high school in the state on the probably the one of the smallest campuses in the state um so uh let's see so our one of the things is there's not many with with the parking needs and all there's not a lot of practical building buildable areas like right on because the simplest thing to do if we had a lot of land is we just build a big block of stuff like right attached to the main building and so but the thing is in this situation we're looking at where where can we find space and not lose parking and make it fit and so yeah one of the things that we're talking about is we're actually putting something into the hillside because there's nothing on the hill well there's trees on the hillside now that we planted but there's you know it's like there's just no other space where we wouldn't lose you know parking parking spots are golden on on for our campus so anyway um so in looking at things it's like okay how how would this work so we looked at um coming up with to get additional spaces in the building oh we also uh we have a cafeteria and kitchen area because our cafeteria is crowded uh there's an addition proposed for that and that would actually help with with kind of the through foot and uh because even though they got multiple lunches it's like they got a lot of kids in um our participation way up so everybody likes the food so um all three secondary would gain yes yes so we look at pushing out um to the on onto the patio back there uh and uh we we look at doing a a a structure which I'll talk about a little bit more that would actually move functions out of the gymnastics area out of the weight training area to be able to then put other functions in their place so uh the way this is drawn up on the first floor you know the council area renovation 6,500 Square ft uh that's that's a pretty simple thing if we end up getting two squeeze we get to always push that one wall out a little bit uh into the Cor Courtyard but the courtyard is a nice addition there and actually in good weather there's a lot of kids out there so now the the existing gymnastics gym it had been a a basketball Vol multi-purpose gym they converted it for the gymnastics program um but the the idea would be to move the gymnastics to a another gymnasium uh and that we would construct and then convert volleyball basketball baton the type of things that would use all those gyms just just convert that gym back into a multi-purpose gym um cafeteria again seating and serving addition and those are really the three things on the lower level although uh that little orange or beige area is actually costume storage and we have one of the things that uh the arts program asked for was more costume storage and over the years we've done nooks and crannies we um grabbed some space one year during a construction project where we there was this really tall space and it was just a one-story um a one-story uh uh set of uh cloth racks and what we did is we bought some scaffolding that we put on the inside some like you know that you can make a a deck out of above them and then we actually built a Stairway from one of the dressing rooms into it to get a second floor of closed rocks you know so we just we've been you know try to get additional storage space for that wherever we can um and uh they also have the space underneath the stage which is pretty interesting um and uh so we we've got a way to if wrestling moves out there's a way to get expanded storage for the the performance venue so uh again we would regain uh PE station and multi-purpose gym in the building uh we' add single use restroom on the on the first floor and relocate and expand costume storage uh and and uh we look at moving at at renovating the lower level part of the lower level it used to actually be a cardio system um or cardio stations uh they moved it up into this thing when we constructed this we' be basically moving it back down but it Jeff will tell you that Jeff Eric principal Ericson will tell you that it's one of the more lightly used areas it's not really functioning you know at full at anything close to you know full capacity so it's very Val it's 4,500 square feet so um uh uh uh when we orig actually at area where looking for more space and I I call it the pork chop and we actually had a drawing that was which would that showed a three a three foot or three story tower on there you get 13,500 ft to possibly put like Vantage or in there at the time when it was growing but then um another idea came through to make it cardio to help for athletics and so that was what was chosen to do uh cafeteria Edition we just basically push out and add another serving line so pretty significant space so now on the upper level at the main building it's staff restrooms but then we were look at meeting the uh uh the weight training from the second floor of Pagel out out to um the the gym building the triple gym building and um we would uh build a connection through the second floor and conver convert that into additional Loft Style Space uh so it would gain that Loft space but it also then connect the two buildings for like from a security standpoint uh everything is now one building one security piece and people don't they they can still walk outside but bottom line is there's a a little bit of a security piece in know bad weather type of situation if people are trying to get to momentum autoshop or the momentum uh trades classes and things like that in that that area also so um this shows kind of like U or that's just a closeup of all that and then at the lower level we look at uh existing wring space primarily used for theater storage and the uh area to the right of that that formerly was was and there's actually space in there that we could just move the existing equipment down into that current space and just kind of renovate that if we if we determined we wanted to do that uh it provided would be you know used um more than it currently is but that's how we would handle the physical uh the the cardio piece of it so I also do they do the they do the uh yoga classes in in that room a lot so um and then just a close-up of that so they gain a lot a lot of and it's right close to the elevator off the main uh at the main uh call Atrium so so how do we address the the relocated functions second Loft the additional PE and multi-purpose gym addition five-fold increase in costume storage U but then need to retain our parking space as much as possible but there's just not that much land left on this campus right now so the solution that we came up with was what we call a triple gym building so we'd have a weight gym which would be larger than the current one I have a wrestling gym uh move them up into to a a um so they would have a a full set of mats like you'd want to be able to practice with and then a gymnastics gym but what we would do is we'd stack them one on top of the other because we don't have the space to just tack them onto the existing uh we lose all the parking and we don't have the space to spread them all out in one story so we do like they do in New York it's like you grow go up you know like Madison Square Garden the hockey rink is on the and the basketball court is on the eighth floor so we would stack them all up and but you but it's kind of like a walk out Rambler home if you're on the lower level down by the the visitor side of eer Anderson you could actually go into the building from the ground floor so um so it' be three levels uh up on the upper level would be a gymnastics gym uh with and actually would have more space than what they have so they could actually and uh be able to have seting for 120 right now they we squeezed in a a few bleachers in standing room only um wrestling gym uh ideally you have two mats and a bunch of small wrestling spaces off to the side uh and then some either weights or cardio and then the lower level is the weight gym so the the green area is the current area that they occupy so you can see there's a significant gain in uh in space for for uh weight training for all of the Varsity Sports I know um there's a lot of classes that are during the summer and all that so but that would be for everybody but also yeah I they would have if they're going to use that like they do now they have to walk across to Pagel well they would walk across to here and use it but the other Advantage then also is um it's it's not it's not a big thing but it's a nice safety feature from the standpoint of when the Dome is up uh the the blue dots are actually the um the doors so you could walk in at the upper level take the stairs or the elevator down walk out at the lower level and just walk over to um the Dome so you don't have to go down those you know the the Iger sanction stairs kind of repel down to get to the Dome uh so yeah we squeeze that on there and it actually it's kind of goofy but that Hillside doesn't look that big but you can actually fit this space on there but the other thing is is we'd have uh concession stands for and and and real restrooms for Veterans Field they would basically access those off of the the plaza uh so there's a benefit to that whole uh facility also so again this slide has all the comparisons in terms of existing Space versus what the new space would be we currently have a gymnastics all those currently exist yes we're not building for I'm sorry I didn't understand that or just clarifying generally for the public we have 40 to 70 year old that are that function yes so we're moving it up we're relocating something but we have to we are putting some square footage for it to do that um and then we're converting the old spaces or the existing spaces to other uses in one case in two cases educational space and in one uh or well in one case educational space well actually the fied the gymnastics gym has become another PE gym so it's an instructional space Also and then also accommodate the existing like the new girls badminton uh new boys volleyball we're um and uh you know so we've been growing The Varsity options and um uh and then the kind of the really not great conditions for wrestling would basically be converted into storage but it's a big need in that regard or a request so oh yes sorry this is um the the top level of that gym how high would it be like feel can we put level four Sky Box and let Diamond Club rent it out it'll generate a little Revenue yeah I'm okay this is this is probably the best way to look at it so here's all here's what things will look like I just jumped ahead a few slides so the C per Edition um and the uh the sky little little mini Skyway to connect but then so this is so the uh the way this works it's uh the gymnastics on top so it's it's you know it's tall space because you need and you get the parallel bars and all that kind of stuff so it's a relatively tall space but um you would walk in to that and you basically would go up a little bit to um You' go up there's there's an elevator that go up to like four or five ft so it's a little bit above just slightly above the parking lot level and then the other two levels actually have Windows to the outside but they also have Windows and all three of them have Windows to the South but have Windows to the South so basically when you come in the parking lot it looks like oh there's just a one-story building when you go down here it's like oh it's a three-story building because there because the triple gyms are stacked on top of each other so um they would they would have to be baseball fall ball proof or yes or we've actually talked about that um you can get hurricane impact resistant um but also um or worst case you know we could put like a light screen in front of them so um yeah absolutely because you know baseball players do what baseball players do um so um hopefully they straighten them out and they're hitting them over the fence right to score um any so that's what that's kind of what they look like again this is this is uh you know kind of how it would work mechanical room restrooms on each floor um some training and storage um there's locker rooms here for the wrestlers uh gymnastics uh they have an office uh if we have to we might have to change that and make that be change rooms although a lot of them come like ready to go so uh but anyway this is just still again it's conceptual so we'd be working through all the details and fine-tuning everything to make sure that these things are configured the way everybody needs to but you kind of see from the blue how you can come in you know take the elevator which is the Red Dot or walk down the stairs and walk out at the bottom to get over to the do so um um from this uh so parking obviously is a huge thing and does it fit in the the space and not really consuming any parking or how much parking would you we we're probably going to lose six to eight spots on that one side right here because we we've got to stay like off of this driveway that's the the crane to the Dome comes down there that's the main axis we really can't move it one way or the other and so we might although if we look at we configuring a few things we might be able to do some parallel spots along the building so we might be able to reduce it to like we lose three or four so it's a way to get some parking on you know not really minimize the amount of parking that you know because if like if we built this out in the midd you know we Lo lose 200 parking spots yeah that's part of my point is uh I mean to get that type of space um with losing six or eight spots at the high school I mean all the spots are coveted but that's incredible yeah Dave Bron and I were walking out walking around the campus and we were looking at you know where we do this stuff if we had to relocate we looked at like could you add on to the back to the because we you know if you see the stadium at Notre Dame they have all these gyms and things like that added on around the stadium because they had and we're going you know can we add on to this I was telling let's look at the East side and can we relocate the tennis courts or whatever we're walking around and and then we're like ah it's just not going to work and we're walking and going Dave what if we like built the walkout Rambler and try to sink it into the Hillside and he goes well I don't know and we started measuring it it's like it could work and so we started drawing it up and it would fit you know so if we decide to do that it will fit with minimal um impact on parking okay so um yeah went through that um in terms of where they are so the these are the costs the triple gym building is the biggest cost um but the reconfiguring of student services and then the Lost style area reconfiguring that uh and and building the connection about 3.2 million because it's it's all reconfigured and we end up with a uh a loft 2.0 that's uh almost as big not quite but almost as big as the original Loft so um uh you know it's it's a considerable gain of of that space and then also if they if they're able to to uh get Aviation down into the um the current uh um cardio area they gain their Loft back too so that's you know that's they're basically gaining you know the equivalent like 15 classrooms back and about a dozen small group rooms you know so it's it's a it's a it's a significant amount of space that they don't have access to for instruction that they then would so um and it's interesting because you know the thing is is um in the LA Style area with where you can have classrooms but then collaborative areas and small group areas more and more they the high school in particular but even you hear it at the middle school and stuff that they're kind of switching to that type of instruction so all these things you know just kind of add to the ability to do that uh so but there's 40,000 square fet in new construction oops and uh 14,600 of heavy renovation so uh those are the uh total K12 projects if you add them all up it's about $132 million so it's pretty incredible if you actually if you took all the the things that we've done and you actually since 2007 related to open enrollment and and including um vanm Mo and um you put it in current your dollars it'd be about 132 million so it's it's a lot I mean but it's a significant investment and we haven't done anything for 30 years but again it's it's a big big decision the other thing is so about the total potential bond issue is um we have $7 million in there for the Epic classroom security system uh the big thing with this system is it gives access to and support to every classroom for student issues I mean would you say that David I mean if you want expound on that a little bit uh the two big things about this are we have some classroom audio and select classrooms across our district but not in all of them and it it would give every teacher the chance to have their um voice Amplified to every student in the room which is a big Advantage right now at the high school we're moving uh when we have students that have hearing issues we're moving portable things around but in the classrooms where we have it student engagement is higher if nothing is more important than hearing your teacher speak but what this does is give every teacher the the ability to have a safety concern in their classroom and immediately communicate it without notifying students in their classroom or they might see something it's it's state-of-the-art building security for school systems with the added bonus of an amazing way to engage students we're ready to upgrade some of this I think the $7 million bid might be on the high end I think think we can be less than that is Scott gerer is working with this company on the security part but we we could improve the teachers confidence in classroom security as well as building Security in every classroom in the district and that's important because our parents talk about school safety you know and and all of our all of our buildings we we upgraded when I when I came here we had really old building uh PA systems uh and things were just coming into play if you remember like around 2000 into early 2000s but related to you know Warning Systems for uh um Intruders and lockouts and all that kind of stuff and so we have all that but we have like a first generation of it and that stuff is all you know 12 to 15 years old so it does need to be upgraded or replaced and this actually is like taking you know taking a 737 and turning it into a you know a supersonic jet on on that front is it is there any chance to squeeze that funding out of our Tech Levy and not have to go out for it or is that all spoken for um we we would have to bond we could technically you can bond out of the tech Levy we would have to bond for it um the tech Levy has some big Tech Levy is is actually tight and we have some there's some big requests coming up related to rebuilding the network that needs to be upgraded um but also we have the classroom of the future coming out of that and those are two big really big uh initiatives so the thing is is but but could this be taken out of here and then you you wait a while or something you know or do it like school by school this would allow us to basically do it kind of within you know in a relatively short time frame um so now we so we'll get into potential Bond issues so instead of 193 million we're looking at 142 million in theory depending on if that's what we would move ahead on so we have to plan for if we do it all or not if we do less it's different as you know as you mentioned like it pull something out which is all good um but this is just okay this is the whole you know the whole whole nine yards whole full meal deal um so one of the things I just always put in here is is um about 90% of our tax base uh levies are supported by Residential Properties we don't have a uh United healthc care we don't have uh um superv value or or Boston Scientific uh you know production facility or anything like that in our district um so um but so resident Homestead is 71% resident non-homestead is 18% so about just about 90% is and residential non-homestead is actually mainly there's some people who have cabins on the lake or second homes on the lake uh but then also it'd be snowbirds where they're here five years or five months and they're Arizona Florida wherever you know so but but they pay you no uh typically these people they're not um they're residential but it's not Homestead it's not their primary do primary domicile they're not v um because they they're residents elsewhere um but uh those are the two chunks that carry most of the freight so what we came up with in trying to be if we did you know we I talked about the if we did $142 million all at one time like just a standard 20 or note at current 4.4% uh interest rates the levy would jump about 16% in one Fell Swoop um and that's before we know what the legislature is going to do especially since they having they're having funding shortfalls right um and you know our structural deficits are calling it now and so we don't know what's going to happen or if they're going to shift things onto the levy like they did in 2008 2009 all that kind of stuff so trying to make this a smaller chunk not that dissimilar to kind of like what we did with a two-step referendum where we took what would have been a 20% increase and knocked it into an 8% and an 8% three years later um but very similar to that so to make this somewhat a much smaller you know bite to swallow um come up with a a strategy it's a little bit of financial judu but it actually would take five Bond issues over four over four januaries in theory if we ran a refer November the past the first thing we would do and we'd also stretch out the construction because we can't build all this in 12 months it's going to take the better part of three years to put all this in place um you know we all saw how long the vage momentum building uh took you know so we'll have multiple projects at the same time obviously but we won't have every single one of these going on at at the same time um so the first thing we do is issue something called uh Bond anticipation note oh the other thing is tan is our existing General obligation Debt Service so it's kind of it's relatively flat and it but it reaches this waterfall where it starts declining out at about about 10 years out and so the idea in uh is to try to if you look at kind of what stretching out the cost of this over several Generations because if these improvements are built they're going to last 70 80 90 100 years so it makes sense this is what utility companies do it's like they stretch out their Capital cost of a new power plant rather than socking the rate payers you know right up front and so you look at stretching it out and then over time the generations pay for it so this is over 30 years so there'll be at least two generations or maybe parts of three that would pay for this over time where people living in the district and taking advantage of the facilities that were created but um but we got to get to that waterfall so one of the first things we do is we would look at doing a uh uh $29.6 million trunch of a bond anticipation not so that's basically construction financing to get us going then we would issue 74.6 Million worth of a of of a a b a bond a regular bond that would go out till 2055 and we'd have a larger chunk but the the increase would be about uh would be about $4 million and it'd be about a 7% increase I got another slide that shows that so that would be the second one then the next year we'd issu the gray which is 29.3 million and that kind of layers in on top and then the little orange or uh gold or whatever that actually is the refi or the paying off of the short-term Bond anticipation note and layering it out till 2055 and then um uh then we the last one also then is at the same time as the orange or as the gold we'd also do the 25.9 that's the last constru new construction Bond and and that would be later out till 2055 so we would be issuing uh have payments from 2027 to 2055 which is basically um 29 years and uh the maximum you could do is is um is 30 years for uh General obligation debt what that translates into to the taxpayer is is this slide so this is this is um a really important Slide the average uh the the median home value is approximately $500,000 so the tax impact of $142 million on a $500,000 home would be $9 a month 9.08 or1 $19 a year $18.96 for um uh we just highlight the $772,000 um that's actually um the $772,000 level which is there's a a significant number that kind of fall in that chunk it's above the median home price but there's a significant number above 500,000 at Falls would be about $15 a month 183 but you can see from this chart that would be the estimate of the impact of all those Bond issues so the first impact would be $9 but then it would stay there and then I'm G to go back again it would stay there um you know it' stay at that level for 10 years but the end it would start dropping off the other thing oh the thing about the structure is it leaves some room because you're still going to have to do long-term maintenance over all these years U but but long-term maintenance and you're going to see that when I bring the next one forward it's going to start dropping off a lot because a lot of the big stuff that was done in the 50s and 60s uh and even stuff in the 80s um we're kind of coming to the end replacing all that stuff and so it's like there's going to be a lot of years in the next couple of decades where you're doing Roofing and Paving and I mean there's a few other things in there that might but it's going to be way less than what we've been doing over the last 15 years because all that kind of once every four or five decade stuff is basically completed um so that and again residential Homestead um if you see the seasonal recre seasonal residential or you know that's the non-residential it's still it's very similar to the $9.11 versus 908 so very similar down here to up there uh for the 90% of the of the uh property value so how does that work with uh this this is a a a a cut and paste from the survey uh that Peter Lesman did for us and we when we asked on the survey from July or June and July um if you see on this survey we ask okay how much would you be it's called tax tolerance is the way Peter uh calls it so I'm I'm GNA work from the bottom up 3% said they pay over $35 a month you know after going through and and hearing like here's some of the things we're considering another 5% said there's $28 a month 21 uh or 16% for $21 a month 22 uh% at $14 a month and $7 a month 23% well $9 a month is not exactly if you take um uh $9 a month is 57th of the way between 14 and 7 because you know between that area there's there's kind of a there's there's a bell curve right some people would say I'd pay 13 I'd pay 12 I'd pay 11 I'd pay 10 I'd pay nine so if you pay nine you pay more right uh or sorry I take that back if if you're saying you pay nine everybody above that if they're saying hey I'll pay $35 a month you assume that they're I mean it's a logical assumption that they'll say okay well it's n bucks a month I'll pay that right so you add them all up and the important thing about that is so if you add all those up it comes out to 65% would say they would pay at least $9 a month or more and and Peter lman told us he says you need to try to get to a level of support at that level because when it starts getting debated in the community it'll probably deteriorate the actual support might you know slip down it will probably will slip down under 60 into the 50s and you don't want to get too close to 50 um so you need to you know have a Christian in terms of what the public is thinking and uh so that's just how that's calculated so 65% of the survey respondents at that time were willing to pay $9 or more per month so um this is um uh the the average home value survey of respondents the the the big nugg here is if kind of doing the same thing it's like okay uh people in terms of home value 56% of the survey respondents if we actually issue that layer of debt at the estimated dollar amounts uh or in the estimated rates and what we did is we calculate the rates and add 25 basis points as a question so hopefully it's conservative but the way that all plays out is 56% of the people that were surveyed about what type of home do you have what's your home value all that 56% of the people are at $9 a month or less uh but 56% of the people will pay $9 a month or less so people who are saying hey we'll pay seven or six or five there's a good chance that they might out you know be be in favor also if but they're going they're actually going to be paying $9 or less per month so uh that's another good way to just kind of gauge you know how does it work on on the lay of the land in terms of of the the value of of homeowners so uh so bottom line is again over half the people will pay $9 or less per month so and then just this just a comparison to neighboring districts um and what I did is I I I put in the uh the neighboring district and then what the uh enrollment is off their last enrollment reports and um so you can see like right now we're at $177 million of outstanding bonds um about 16 million 17 million of that is actually oped bonds and then there's about 25 million that's going to be paid out of operating Capital which is something we Levy and get state aid for and so um you know but you you take off about 41 million we read about 130 million that's other General other bonding on the that's on the levy so oio just passed a $225 million bond issue recently um but you can see some other that's kind of the range where other other districts are Shaka used to be much higher and actually way Zetta was higher but they've been paying some up but they they had a lot of large Bond issues a number of years ago so they've been chipping away at them they haven't done another bond issue for a while or you know for for although much more recent than ours but this is I I just circle this the the first year the tax the the tax impact is um or the the actual Levy would increase 4,877 ,000 so how does how much of an increase is that on the overall just on the gross Levy uh our current Lev is 70 mil 163,000 and so if a layer of 4.8 47 million on top of that is about a 6.9% increase so now we don't know again what the legislature is going to do but in trying to make this something that is is uh you know manageable hope you know resuable and trying to minimize it it's about a 7% increase rather than doing if you did the flat one you'd be at about a you know you'd be at about about a 16% increase in one big jump but also um you're able to maintain that going forward so here's what the The Debt Service on that would look like um so our outstanding bonds are uh in in tan I tried to get the colors to sort of match up um but uh um I I put in their Moody because I just have to let you know about this my responsibility let you know this is a clip out of our last Bond rating and it's been in our bond rating since we got a AAA rating because they always say are there any factors where you could get a higher well at AAA you can't get a higher but there's always factors that say well this is what you could downgrade and these have been consistent um we'll we we will have in April uh we'll have reached we originally got our tripa bond rating in April of 2010 and so in April have had it for 15 years um if we uh we will be increasing our outstanding General obligation Bond debt if this is approved and that's fine um because one of the things they have in there is negative enrollment Trend that impacts revenue or material increase in long-term liabilities ratio which this is what it would do because that's you know um but at the same time uh so how far if you get a downgrade because we have a higher amount of outstanding debt compared to other AAA districts um you would the lowest we would go down to is there's a 23 step scale that Moody's has AAA is the highest a A1 is the second highest a A2 is the third highest and that's the the lowest that we would go so we go from 23 to 22 to 21 on a 23 step scale so still very good credit risk uh the the the net impact is your your bonds are 5 to 10 basis points higher than they would be if you at um at Double a A1 or AAA um but um I just want to let you know that because you you should know that um and then on the side is the current 10e uh long-term maintenance plan I talked about how it's going to be dropping off uh to almost all Roofing and Paving and I'm still working on kind of modifying that but we're still the district's always going to have have some some of that to do but like I said a lot of the really big stuff is I mean almost all the big stuff is is gone and 10-e plan I got replacing the ice arena um out in out in the late 2030s um uh the ice arena uh ice making system but um you know and there's uh a cooling tower Tower replacement but all that's included in and then the rest it's almost all like Roofing and Paving and uh so here is um what we call the uh this is how we contentive construction schedule so again those Bonds on the on that chart we issue a $26 million uh dollars worth of bonds uh in um in the uh so what am I doing here okay yeah we would issue uh to cover the construction that would happen or any any architect firm workk um we would need about 23.5 million and a chunk for the Epic system so we' need about 26 million so we'd issue it we would be drawing down 26 million out of the bonds that were issued uh in January of 26 we would be uh need about 76 million over that time and uh um in January 28th to December 28 about 33 million and then the last projects will be done about 7 million of that would be done in that last in that last year so you're looking at construction design and construction lasting from really you know December of 2023 I'm sorry 2026 until really just to the start of school on in Fall of 202 9 but um this assumes that the first projects that we uh really go after are the Middle School ones and then the high school one and we hit the elementary ones kind of on that sliding scale but they're all under construction in 27 they're all going to be in various phases of construction um although the last thing would be the The Loft and um so that's you know that's that's all just tentative so so I mentioned that we so that's kind of the the main piece of it and I'm going to go quickly through projects for future considerations needs develop that we're part of the big list of the 193 million well how do we handle those um we the uh um uh the tsp building which is actually at the state it's a Minon education center the official name uh because we can't call it the tsp building at the state um but that is something that we could look at as needs develop uh it it'd be very easy to to turn it into more LT style learning with small classrooms and small groups uh if you know if we need additional momentum strands additional Vantage strands um or if Aviation grows and there's more space There's an opportunity there to do an addition but that's something that we'd be able to finance out of other resources as we move ahead or potentially out of project savings if we come in under budget um the uh ECFE building we still have the parking on here um but the uh the primary thing there is a two-story addition uh the uh for additional ECF classrooms that kind of help prime the pump of continuing to get students here and uh that is something that they could probably fund out of out of their fund balance again like we did a few years ago uh they finished last year with a fund balance in excess of $5 million and uh they are on Pace to basically finish with at least $7 million this year they're still operating at a surplus which is great and uh that model was put in reped by Tim Lin and and Kim Carlson is continuing it on so there's no reason to think that they wouldn't have the resources to plow back into the building twostory Edition there um right out the front and then um oh I got these out of order but anyway so the Minon education center that's how it kind of looks from the uh from the aerial view so uh the other thing is we've left space these weren't part of the recommendations but just so you know that there's a couple ways we could squeeze a few more law style editions or science editions uh onto the onto the building if you needed it um one story uh 2400 foot kind of tucked in the uh Northwest by the northwest corner of the gym uh of the West gym and then um it's one story proposer because that way it doesn't cut off all the windows on the Loft and then a two story uh at the science stle that could be science it could be Loft it could be uh just about anything but there's some additional space available there so those things you know total about $21.1 million that we would at the you know as needs developed those were those are smaller chunks that might be able to be funded out of other types of funding mechanisms or depending on you know refinancing opportunities and all that if interest rates come down we have 13 bonds that are actually ready to be refinanced and restructured to both get a lower interest rate and a lower payment which would free up uh dollars to be able to do some of these things if we wanted to do them so that's that's 87 slides sorry um wow but it's a lot but it's a lot thank you yeah I do have I do have a question you have some questions yes at what point in the process might we understand what the um operating costs are for the additional spaces or the renovated spaces uh we will be putting that together if we decide to to do review and comment we'll start pulling that together but we will be adding custodians for a lot of these spaces um we are we currently have right now all utilities we spend about a125 between electrical and Gas and Water um so you know if you look at it there's 140,000 ft of new construction you know that's going to be pushing [Music] $175,000 a year just for that uh we haven't really nailed down like how many custodians we'd have to have to add but you can see uh most you know at some of the smaller additions we might not have to add but uh most of the elementaries and at the middle schools we'd have to add a couple and at the high school with separate building and all that we would have to add so there'll be additional custodial costs and insurance presumably uh yeah Insurance um this would add 140,000 Square ft and we currently have uh 1,879 th000 approximately so our insurance that we have covered would be what is that about 8% so insurance would increase about 8% and our premium is currently about $430,000 so it' be another 35,000 40,000 um so that's just ballparking but yeah and we actually have to put all that together in detail and bring it to you if you say hey yeah let's go ahead and do this I always say if we would put all it together in detail and into the review and comment document because you have to improve that review and comment you have to approve us submitting that to the Department of Education and then they'll accept it so and they do that on purpose because they don't want School District just submitting stuff willy-nilly and they go through all the work and it's like oh the board never approved this you know so we would put all that together in in extreme detail uh a lot of this stuff would be in there but all that kind of stuff would go in there and you'd approve it we'd go over it with you and it go to the board uh to the Department of Education and they have 90 days to turn around to say you know yes uh if they say yes this is reasonable uh then a potential bond is referendum would need a 50% approval one over 50% if they say no you can still run it but you need one over 60% approval so they raise it raises the bar um but anyway that's that would be the next steps if if we if or when or ever we would move ahead thank you superintendent yeah there's I mean if if you're going r on November in okay so let's we're talking in theory if you're going to run a November election uh you have to they they actually increase the number of days ahead of time that you have to call an election and so uh it's 84 days they just increased it from 74 to 84 so that's in early August and so if you back up from early August saying okay we're calling the election we're making a decision we're going um and then we do all the stuff with getting the ballot ready and all that kind of stuff but um if you back up from there you probably want some time to think about it and so if you go you'd probably want it back by at least June so if you get it back in June if you back up from there 90 days before that they have 90 days from the day we send it to them to get it back to us so that means we would have to get it to them in early March to get it back in early I think uh before we go into more questions wondering if you could give us a flavor of what the future discussions would be like if you have been for them we have time we can just keep going for a while here but I wondered what the what the opportunities are so the progression if you think about you have two months as the shortest window of time to decide if you want the state to look at it and you still to have time to decide for this fall so you have two months but if within two months you feel like I'm not sure there's any chance we'd want to decide by the Fall you can keep talking about it submit it and then that there are other election window Cycles November is the most common but this type of question could be asked any time of year yeah there's there's five um five official election days during the course of year like primary days so you do have to hit one of those if I remember correctly but I think one's in April one's in the progression of what we will do as a district at you know I if you want to slow things down we we would you know bring this back in March with more information our current progression is it's public we want our community to start seeing this and talking about it um we'll come back again in March or excuse me in February at a work session again to talk about operational costs and preparing to give this package to the state but within the next four weeks we would be encouraging community members to be looking at the plans we've posted and we'd be submitting a link and we would summarize that in in March to say what are we hearing from our community about these plans all of our employees have had a chance to give input we would would share that link with all of our employees to say this is what your input yielded through the community task force and we'd share that process so we would be over the next month Gathering lots of community and employee information to report again in March and then come back and certainly talk publicly at the first meeting in March about the plans one more time giving you a few more weeks to hear from the public after a public presentation and then You' we' formally if the board was supportive submit the review and comment now all that would do was give would be to give you the option that would be all of this if between now and August you the board would say you know what we're really we're going to be comfortable with $100,000 of this project you could do that at that time because we would have the review in common as the entire package we would have the state approval nothing says you have to do it all so those are those are touch points we we are on time and on task for how this should run right now we're just wanting to have lots of people look at it and give you feedback Paul is that anything I missed no no and you know and and of course we're going to get lots of feedback and we'll probably get hey how about this how about this and so the reality is is yes we can do anything if we do less the property tax impact is lower of course and if we do more property in tax impact goes up so okay more questions Meg um so I just find myself thinking and I've been thinking for the last few weeks about what's going to be compelling to the community right like for that $9 a month what are the things that they are going to um be willing to put that money out for and uh the the two things I hear the most about are traffic and parking and lunch times like my kid just doesn't have enough time to eat so I think that like we do have some compelling things in there right that I think the security with the Epic is really compelling but I as you were presenting I was thinking mme that bus Corral more parking for weekend events so people aren't parking up on the grassy null and shimmying down to the pool or getting that extra flow of cars coming off of um Lake Street extension not having to fight the buses at the same time like things like that I think are really compelling I saw increased cafeteria SP space at both middle schools the high school deep Haven did I miss any um no at Tu we could we can squeeze a little addition out of Scenic Heights okay um because I was just thinking about that piece of it right is like if if families say oh like you know my one of my issues has been my kid doesn't have time to get lunch and eat it seeing that problem resolved is a compelling argument and so I just have been trying to think about that and frame it um from that point of view um so I just wanted to throw that out there but um I think the more we can address those kind of concerns that come up frequently when we're talking about this with the Community when we're talking about it with each other um making sure that we're addressing that we've heard that feedback and that we're you know trying to incorporate some of those things I think will go a long way I failed to mention that we are currently taking everything you just saw and sending it out to a random group of about a thousand community members both parents and community members at large saying this is what we think we're going to do is this compelling to you and so we also hit that 80% of our community members that aren't in our school because they're also going to have to weigh in on that we when we come back in February we'll also have that information to say based on what our community thinks we need is this worth an investment and what's your threshold dollar amount too so we we'll be able to do a little bit of that work again also when does that go out it is happening next week I no go ahead start I was just going to say I I agree with Megan's points I also think um it's also important to remember that the task force did a very uh thorough job of collecting feedback from from staff in the buildings and the administrations and the buildings about what their needs are and although I I do think we want to talk about the things our community has told us I as a parent of a recent graduate I'm not as is familiar with what the needs are that staff have identified like the the issues with staff restrooms it's not just a you know we're not just prettying something up this is a real issue for people who have to go from one side of the building to another just to to use the restroom in their place of work and uh similarly like this small group space it it sounds very vague sometimes but we're talking about things like places to actually provide uh provide service that we're currently providing in hallways and broom closets and things around and I think those are the stories we need to remember that not everyone our community has heard yet and be able to talk to them about these these needs are needs this is a 30-year uh you know a 30-year uh route in uh up upgrading our facilities that we've managed very well thank you Mr B but we still have we still have needs um and I think we need to talk about all of those I took your thunder though go no uh I want to piggy back off uh where Sally started talking about the operating expenses because that's the just just given the the the shape that our operating budget is in the fact that we're uh you know making reductions in expenditures right now and and looking at this at the same time I think the sooner the sooner we can forecast those impacts and see what that looks like as far as our operating budget goes and our Reserve fund goes the better to help us make our decision um on that same side of the coin uh I think it' also be particularly helpful on on the revenue side of the equation building by building basis are we looking at increases in enrollment capacity should we choose to do something like that should the appetite exist for enrollment in in the district you know is is that do do these how do these additions help us on the revenue side of the equation if we want to go that direction um so that's I imagine probably the easier thing to quantify I think that the tougher thing to quantify that I'm sort of curious about which is on the the marketing and and pitch to The Community side of things is like on a building byb building basis how many kids benefit from from each of these things that we're doing you know if it's a cafeteria it's everybody if we're opening up a couple gyms and creating more Loft space and moving people out to another building for a lot of our athletic departments that's going to be a substantial number of students so I think that's being able to quantify that the benefit and how many kids we're going to be able to impact in each site with these changes will be I think helpful to be able to speak to Chris um agree with everything U very excited about uh the projects and really really meeting the needs of the district I think the Board needs to very much consider we're doubling almost doubling our outstanding debt with this proposal um and we are blowing past and all to most of our most of our neighboring districts when it when it comes to that and uh I I don't think we should take that very lightly um I do like the The Proposal we're layering that in so you're not really feeling that impact for four years but this um this isn't uh doubling your debt isn't the needs of our district I mean you're going to see that in our from our community I I'm all for it think but I think the Board needs to seriously cons how how we do that because I don't think the community is going to see this as needs um even though they are legitimate needs I think the task force has done a great job um it's not my personal view I'm just put it putting it out there it's something that we really need to consider it's a big ass it's something we haven't done for a long time I think that helps us as well as in telling that story and marketing that um we haven't really done something like this in 30 years um we've went through this process um we included um how many community members and how much feedback in in the task force and we brought brought all of that out there so I think we have compelling things but it's a big number uh we're cutting uh operating costs from that standpoint how does this I think we have to weigh how does this impact our ability to um go back out to the community like I think Paul said in the in the first slide of we're going to be asking for operating funds just to keep operations going uh it probably won't even be at the same level because it it won't keep up with inflation we know that it won't and so we have these converging things and and we need to cons consider that um are these really the things that need to be done today all at one time um I super good points um yeah yeah no I mean I noticed the same thing it looked like it l it looked like our outstanding bonding debt peaked at around 275 million at one point which would put us toward the top of that graph of our neighboring districts and it' be it'd be good to just get some data on you know or are would we be an extreme outlier doing something like that or is that being successfully done El elsewhere and then how much of a a financial Razor's Edge does that put us on being able to Pivot should macroeconomic forces socioeconomic forces you know change well on General obligation bonds um Technic techically I'm not advocating one way or the other I'm just giving you the information so there's a statute that allows us to bond up to 15% of the outstanding uh or of the net tax capacity of the district and the net tax capacity of the district in total is like a billion dollar it's a it's a ridiculous number over a billion it's probably a billion and a half um so we're never never close to that limit um the uh any out any general obligation bonds that we issue will always be levied on the community regardless so if you know if there's a great depression or if the stock market goes to 60,000 we still Levy you know so the the debt is out there if the community and obviously that's why they have the community approve it right but the community proves it the community pays it no regardless of again whether it's recession or an economic boom I I want to follow up something I think I heard earli from you David which I think is important um sounds to me like you know I can look at these projects and the costs and sort of say all right well if we wanted to reduce our appetite we could maybe pull something out of here or there and I'm not I don't have any favorites that I wanted to do that to right now but if we get through this process uh we do our uh comment uh notice and comment to the to the department I think I heard I heard you say we still have the ability to say nope we don't have the appetite in our community for this or or at that point could we just say we're going to reduce that to 65% of what it is on the on what's been approved and we're going to go forward with something more uh modest is that true that's so we can excuse me for the public that's true I can't have to turn my mic yes that's true we can we can all a card it I mean because it seems to me that if there's some advantages to the uh November 25 timeline if we get comfortable that we know what we want to send out to our community so I think continuing on the path that you've outlined makes some sense to me but that also means we we do need to continue this conversation in this room and outside this room so that we have a good sense of what uh what the voters are going to want to really support and you could do aie and comment and wait a year even if we hit this deadline the only thing you're really gambling there could be some changing needs costs are going to change and so this is currently costed out to be built through 20129 if you wait two years you're going to need to cost everything again because the things change so you'll have an in a piece of information about starting as soon as possible and there's a cost savings because you know the gyms that we built seven years ago have doubled in price um I have two thoughts uh this the feedback that we're soliciting that's going out next week are we asking folks to kind of rank like these are the plans you know like if you could choose your top five what would because that might be kind of helpful if we got to a place where we were thinking like you know we don't think we can run this whole thing it that would be nice kind of data to have like where our community would prioritize things we can certainly do that in May or June it feels early to do that without more of the information gathered and about without more com I think I think more of our community needs to hear about these needs because I think without that this whole project is dead in the water my yeah I agree um and I I just was curious if it was already in there I wasn't necessarily thinking it should be already but just um going forward I think that would be useful information to have and then my second thought was you know the other thing that we could get this all ready and then if by some miracle the legislature said hey we're going to raise the roof on what you can ask for your community that would probably impact our planning also um and we should probably have that information you know at at least by the time we're really having to make those decisions so that would hopefully avoid that double ask situation situation just by if we have that knock on wood the legislature should be done with a session before August I ideally we would know our financial situation and this is a funding cycle in next year is typically not so we would know the next bium of funding um and our ability to ask or not or your ability to do local optional revenue or not Chris I was going to add in my comment before and you got to got to it so thank you I'm all for continuing this process um and I my guess is all of us will be but you need some guidance uh I think from from us um for all those reasons because we don't have to go but you know we should do the work so so in case that everything lines up and we get know our funding we know what it's going to to cost to our you know we can always back it down or wait a year or all of those things but you can't get that time back in order to do that work I know it's asking the district um to do a lot of work that we aren't 100% sure we're going to go but that's part of the that's what we signed up for that's that's that's part of the deal so I mean I I would think that at least coming out of this from my standpoint there's no reason to go with this I think it's reasonable a reasonable direction to to go yeah I certainly encourage preserving options right yeah I mean it's been 30 years if it takes us a few more months to figure it out we ought to take that time all right anything else while we're here all here we will gather a lot of information come back in the February work session with operational costs um our another Benchmark survey from the community a summary of any feedback we've received during that period of time and that still gives you another month before review and comment and review and comment would be I mean what I'm not hearing you say is push it back up to 190 and test all that no no so at 142 we're in the right ballpark we'll move forward with that that gives Paul's uh work Direction Clarity and then we'll get sir Katherine lots of information for you yeah absolutely yeah all good thank you I guess we're done for tonight thanks everyone