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All right, it's 6:30, so I'm going to call the meeting to order. This is the uh Minatrista City Council meeting for June 1st, 2026. I'm going to um remind everybody to turn your cell phones on silent so they don't disrupt the meeting. And first order of business, would you please join me for pledge of

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allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> So, I'm going to start with some

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introductions here. I'm Lisa Whan. I'm the mayor. And to my left we have council members Kathleen Refkin, Peter Vicky, Claudia Lacy, and Brian Govern. And then on the end we have our city engineer Ellison Enfowski with WSB. And then we also have um Paula Bowman who is

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our assistant administrator. To my right we have Jasper Krugal who is our city administrator, Brian Grim, our finance director, David Ael, our community development director, and then uh Craig Squires who is our chief of police. And then we also have Gary Peters who is

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director of our public works department and um he and as well as Sarah Sansala are joining us uh today via Zoom. Uh with that um those are all the introductions. Is there any um are there any changes to the agenda? Any additions

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we need to make? Hearing none. Is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? So move. >> Thank you Miss Lacy. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you Mr. Vicky. Any further questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I.

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>> All those opposed. Motion passes. So next uh we don't have any special presentations. We'll move on to persons to be heard. Uh we have um Eric Kemple. Um you if you would like to say a few words, you're you need to come to the

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microphone. You'll have three minutes. Okay. Um Fred, maybe I'm sorry, Fred. Fred Hemple. >> Yes. >> Okay. Did you want to say anything? >> No, I'm just here to see what's going on. >> Okay. All right. All right. And then uh

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Ken Vanderindy, you uh signed up? >> Yeah. >> Just because you're here. >> I'm just kind of waiting to see what's going on, too. >> All right. And then we have uh Dave Schultz. >> That's me. >> All right. Are you here regarding the Bosma issue?

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Then what we're going to do I think is um hold off on that and then when we um when we discuss that item on the agenda I'll give you an opportunity to speak. >> Okay. Separate from the three minute. >> Yes. Yeah. Otherwise you have three minutes.

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>> All right. All right. Um we'll move on to consent agenda items. Any you wish to remove? Hearing none men. They cons uh consist of A is approve our work session meeting minutes from May 18th, 2026. B is approve our city council regular

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meeting minutes from May 18th, 2026. C is a resolution to approve claims. D is a resolution to approve application from R. Carol Spalding for conditional use permit to allow for the construction of a guest home over,000 square ft at 251

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County Road 92. and E is approve a conditional offer of employment to Richard Griffiths for the position of police officer. F is approve the termination of officer Robbins and G is accept the resignation of police officer Brandon White. Do I have a motion to

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approve consent agenda items A through G? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Miss Ruffkin. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Govern. Any further questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. >> I. >> I. All those opposed. Motion passes. 50. Next, we have um a public hearing and

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this is a nuisance declaration um at 9550 West Hill Road. So, I'm going to start with um Mr. >> Schultz. Do you want to open the public hearing? >> Okay. >> No, I'm going to have him speak first

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and then I'll open it. Okay. Okay. Well, >> it come back. >> What we'll do is um this is a um public hearing, so I'll open the public hearing and I'll keep it open until you can get back and you can make your do your presentation. Um with that, um I'm going

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to hand it over to staff in the meantime. Um if you wish. So, first of all, I'm going to open the public hearing. So, I'm going to open the public hearing and anybody that wishes to speak for or against this may do so, but I'm going to keep it open for a little bit. I think I'm going to start have staff kind of give a background um

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on this and then if anybody wishes to speak, you you can come to the podium. >> Uh yes, Madame Mayor, members of city council. Uh tonight, we're holding a public hearing uh to consider a nuisance declaration of 9550 West Hill Road. Uh there's a resolution in your packet uh

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resolution 64-26 uh doing two things. Declaring 9550 West Hill Road a public nuisance and also issuing issuing an abatement order. And what that means is that uh in in the resolution itself, it gives the property

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owner until August 1st to uh get that property out of the nuisance declaration. um which basically means there's items that we've identified that they need to to to basically abate themselves. Um those items being uh and these are all in chapter five of the

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city code. Um storage of materials, home occupation, uh and nuisances. Um so those are the three main areas that we've identified so far. Um, again, the the police and our building department were able to access the site on uh August 17th, and I think at the last

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meeting, you guys were able to see a video or a couple videos from from that um to kind of see what the conditions are on the site. Uh, a little bit on the timeline here. This initially happened um we got a complaint or we sent a letter uh in September of 2025. Uh, and

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then we had another touch point at city council on November 17th of 2025. Essentially, it was said to um let them work on this over the the winter and check back in in Q1 of 2026. We did that on March 2nd, 2026. And then it uh at that point at March at the March 2nd

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meeting, uh it was directed to proceed with kind of examining the site and and getting the administrative search warrant. We did not need to get the administrative search warrant. Uh Mr. uh Bosma, the property owner, allowed us to access the site at that time. That's where those videos that you've seen uh

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originated. And then on May 18th, it was uh directed by by city council to staff to uh hold this uh public hearing and consider the nuisance uh declaration and the abatement order at this June 1st meeting. So uh that's kind of the

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timeline. I don't know if there's any questions city council has directly on this. >> Council, any questions at this time? All right. Um that's all I have. >> Does Sarah want to weigh in or do you want to hold off? Sarah. >> Uh, Madame Mayor, members of the council, I don't I don't need to say

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anything at this point, but I'm available for questions. >> Thank you. All right. So, um, Mr. Schultz, I think you said you wanted to make some comments. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. And for the record, can you then state your name and address for the record or

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your business address, whichever you prefer? >> Yes, here. >> Thank you. Uh my name is David Schultz. I'm an attorney. Uh my residence is 663 Carver Bluffs Parkway. My office address is 80 South 8th Street uh sweet 900 in

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Minneapolis in the IDS Tower. Um and I represent Bob Bosma. So I brought some pictures that I wanted you to see regarding uh some progress that has happened at the property. and I

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don't uh have them and >> we see that >> pictures. So, I don't know if you're procedurally allowed to keep the meeting open if I track them down or if I left them at the property and could bring them back maybe while you're still meeting, but uh um I think

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>> I can I can send them to Sarah or where whoever I need to. I do have some electronically on my phone as well, but I went out to the property today and I think I guess just to back up a step, the history is that Mr. Bosma called me when he was charged with a crime in this

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case, which is pending. We have court on uh for a pre-trial, which is kind of, you know, you do an arraignment, you do a pre-trial, we're not at trial yet. So, it's a preliminary kind of hearing. It may not resolve on July 14th, but um we have a pre-trial on that day. the um in

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my experience from when I was a prosecutor for Lakeville, Burnsville, Farmington, Cannon Falls, places like that, we bring a criminal matter. People would work on getting the the matter handled so they don't go to jail and so that they don't have a criminal conviction on their record and it they

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get the property cleaned up. This is a big project. I understand that it started, you know, your timeline lays it out well uh in the um paperwork for this meeting. Um, basically right after winter ended is when we voluntarily allowed the police to come back on the

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property instead of making them get an administrative warrant. Um, that was Mr. Bosma's decision to do that and allow them to take all kinds of pictures and video which I understand you saw. Um, they've made significant progress since that time. Two loads of

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two loads of 24 cars, I believe. I believe it's 48 vehicles have gone out. I have some of the pictures of some of the bigger vehicles on trailers that were taken off. He had to hire a separate company to do this that had bigger equipment, a larger trailer, that

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kind of thing. The school bus is gone. The a couple of big trucks, tow trucks, that kind of thing. Um uh so I think the one picture that I can't find that I have in hard copy is a trailer with maybe 10 or 12 cars on it, at least eight. And there was at least a

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couple loads of those um uh since the police were there. Um I have several on my phone here that I took uh that I got from his sons um regarding that. And then I took a few pictures today of the current status of the property. The hayfield to the I guess if you're facing

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the property, the the home, the hayfield way to the left there is empty of vehicles that that was full of vehicles. There's a hay wagon sitting in the middle of it. Now, on the right side, kind of the other far right side of the property where the barn is, and there's still some vehicles there. He's got a personal boat up there and a horse

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trailer up on the hill there. Um, but that school bus was sitting there, that's gone. Um, there's so there's and then a bunch of scrap metal as well. There's still a lot of work to do. He was told at the beginning of the criminal prosecution, well, I take that back. I'm not sure if that came from

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your um um council or at the beginning of the criminal prosecution before I represented him, but he understood that he'd have until July to get things cleaned up. He's making s I I would call it significant progress. There's still a lot to do. There's no doubt about that,

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but um at his own expense and um with a lot of time put into it. Um he's 88 years old. He was in the hospital for a couple of weeks here just in the last couple of weeks. um unfortunately and that set him back a bit. Um but he's spent a lot of time trying to work on

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this really since I mean they came out in April, April 17th when we allowed him on the property. There wasn't a ton of time to do a lot before that um because this started in November. So really it was winter and then now he's making really good progress in the last 60 days.

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>> That that's great. I mean we're really happy to hear that because we'd prefer not to have to go down a a criminal road. um we don't want to put 88-year-old happy men or anybody in jail or

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whatever. So, um we definitely and what we could do is we could still issue the um the order today, but we could say maybe August 1st or we could have an end date so that he'd have plenty of time to to continue what he's already started

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before it would and I could going to have to refer to uh Sarah to see how that could work. Sarah, can you maybe explain briefly um timeline and then if you could meet that timeline uh what would happen then it would just go away

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or h how does this work? >> Sure. Um madame mayor, member members of the council, can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, um on August 1st, that would be the the deadline for cleaning up the property under the nuisance abatement

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order. um if it's not done by then um the city under its code can go on the property and start doing the abatement. I would recommend highly recommend in this case that we obtain a court order to do that just because you know we are going on someone else's property

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probably without their permission and then also we are removing a lot of things and you know I would want to get the permission of the court to do that. So, we would file an action with the court. That could happen right after the deadline, but it may take a few weeks.

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Um, he would have some time to respond to that, probably 20 days. And then once that response gets filed, or if he doesn't respond, um, then we could move the court to issue an order that would allow us to go onto the property and do the abatement. And then once we have

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that court order, we could proceed with the abatement. Um, from what I understand, it would be a very large amount of money to abate. So, we may have to actually go out for bids to um to have somebody come in come in and do the abatement. It's my understanding

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it's going to be over. >> So, but so what happens with the um July 14th um date? >> No, nothing in terms of the stuff going away. I mean, he he I suppose he could um get it done by then and then, you

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know, we would drop the criminal charges and I mean, then we wouldn't need to do the abatement in August. Um but the criminal charges, would they still be there? If let's just say we said August 1st, um that everything had to be cleaned up

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and they said, "Okay, they think they can do it by then." What happens to the July 14th hearing? It's a preliminary hearing. I I could maybe answer that, Sarah. Okay. I I think from our perspective, from my client's perspective, we'd asked for a new court date after August 1st to come back maybe

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August 14thish, mid August to say, now look, now we came up to August 1st, we took more pictures or we let the police back on to get more pictures and hey, you know, can we work out a deal on the criminal part of the case? You'd still have to make decisions. Well, I can let Sarah answer what would happen with the

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abatement then, but >> Okay. I'm sorry, Sarah. Go ahead. um with the abatement. I mean, if it's not done, I mean, the criminal charges don't get the stuff off the property. That's that's the issue here. I mean, the consequences of the criminal charges

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are either paying a fine or going to jail. It does not do anything for cleaning up the property. So, I mean, he could be theoretically convicted of the crime. He could go to jail. He could pay the fine. That doesn't solve our problem of that there's still stuff on the

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property. So, in the event he is convicted, you know, we still have to clean up the property, unless you don't want to do that. >> So, our our um we'd prefer to work with the with the property owner to clean up

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the property, but we would still um issue the um a bait or the >> the order. So, and we could put a date in there that we that maybe you think your client thinks that they could have it. will say cleaned up. I mean,

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>> yeah, if you're if you're hoping I I could consult with him about what's realistic before you did that today if that's something you're interested in hearing his perspective of it. >> I've seen it. I don't have a good understanding of what needs to be cut up, moved off versus what can just go in

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a trailer versus vehicles are easier, I think, because you got to just get them on a trailer, get them out, >> right? >> Well, if if you want to do that, um I think we'd be open to that. Um, >> I I would like to see those photos of the things that have been um >> bring I'll I'll go back to the property

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yet while you're still doing your business and bring them back. I >> That'd be great. I'd like to see that. I went to the bathroom, too, but I think someone looked in the bathroom. >> So, I I have those. I also have some electronic ones >> um that I can show you several. I mean, as much as that's helpful to you, it's

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>> Can you put those up, Jasper? >> Can Can you text them or email them to >> J? If someone's got a card, I can just sit here when you're doing other work. Okay. >> And email them to someone to then >> revisit this, >> right? And maybe also talk with your

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client to see if um we we're not going to extend this to like November or December because we need to get it done. And um so if August 1st, August 15th, you tell us realistically what you

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really will do. Okay. What you will do. Um, so realistically, if August 1st isn't realistic, then give us a date that will work. >> Yep. And we get down to the details, and I remember this from when I prosecuted these kinds of cases. You get down to

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the details of like, well, did you also mean that car cuz that one's got a sticker on it and it's licensed and, you know, or that refrigerator or whatever. >> Those are issues that you could work out with the police department because they would know which ones are legal and which ones aren't. Um, now if you have a

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hundred cars that you think are legal, probably not. >> No. But the large the large majority of one of these pictures I'll show you um if not every single one of them is licensed and insured. So I can I can >> Okay. >> That with with the chief as well. But I

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also wanted to mention um in the original violations section of the agenda item for today I guess it is. It's the detailed agenda item I guess it is. You know, it mentions the storage materials uh as an alleged violation, the home occupations and the nuisances

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for home occupations. That business um Westwood Treeworks is referenced in there and that's been shut down since I think the website's been shut down since last fall or maybe even last summer. Um there's no equipment there for that. The big truck for that is gone and that

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business is not being run out of there. Okay. In fact, all the wood there is just for keeping the house home warm now and and uh for maybe campfires or something, but >> Okay. >> Um so again, I know that's something that we would help get documentation for and then maybe that nuisance item goes

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goes away, but >> Okay. All right. And like I said, I'll keep the public hearing open for a while and then we'll wait for those pictures and you can talk to your client. Um it is a public hearing, so um if either Mr. Vanderindy or Mr.

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Fred, um, if you would like to say anything, you're welcome to come forward. And >> can I ask a question? >> Yes. U, doesn't the the homeowner have two sons that live on the property as well? >> Yes.

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>> So, he's not a lone 80some year old man doing this all by himself. He's got two adult sons that are helping him as well. >> Yeah. I think I guess I don't know the details. I don't know if they live there or not, and I don't know if they have other jobs or not, >> but Okay. Um, I get your point and they are helping. >> Yeah, >> thank you. And

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>> he's using resources. He's he spent some money to get get what was done by this uh I couldn't forget the name of it right now, but bringing bring in big semi trucks. >> Yeah. >> And you know, and you've informed your client and his sons, so they clearly

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understand that if we do this, then it's assessed to the property and then it becomes a tax that you have to pay immediately. I mean, >> you might want to talk to >> background. Well, I'm a criminal defense attorney and the way you do a good job

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with your clients is you stay in your lane, right? I'm a criminal defense attorney. Okay. Here to help hopefully let you know about the progress, but in terms of advising on property issues. If a if a suit is started, as Sarah mentioned, he's going to have to retain separate counsel. >> Okay. Well, we can explain as well maybe

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later um later on in the meeting as to what that what the ramifications could potentially be. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. >> I text the deal. >> Okay. Yeah. >> All right. Um Mr. Hemple.

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>> Yes. My name is Fred Hemple and I think if I'm I may be mistaken, but I thought I heard that the west side of the building was completely clear. I got news for you. It's not even close to clear. >> Well, we're we're going to find out um

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eventually. >> I would might mention that it's an easy thing to find out. It's 5 minutes away, >> right? Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Mr. Vanderindy, again, I'm sorry. You do need to state your name and address for

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the record. Mr. Hemp, could you state your address to >> It's 962046 Street. >> 962046 Street. Water Town. >> Water Town. >> Thank you. >> I signed in. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Hi, I'm Ken Vanderland. I live at 9450

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West Hill Road. Right uh behind Bob. And um I just want to say Bob and his boys. We've been neighbors for what 30 years? >> 45. >> 45. Yeah. He's got a heart of gold. um and tried talking with him everything

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else and I know he's he's he's got good intentions but uh I hear things and I can attest there was a couple loads that were hauled out big loads that were it's that's just a fraction of what's all there so it it's a start and I was got got kind of excited and that was quite a

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while ago and there's been not much happening since. So, and that's basically what this has been a long time is just it it's just a slow process and I see a few go out but then I see more come back in and side on my side of the

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field on on there there was nothing in there last year last year goes and now that's just filled up. So my main concern is, you know, I'm getting older, too. And if if I want to sell my property and living next to that, that depreciates the value of my property. Something horrible. And and I want to

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leave that to my kids. >> And it's time to clean up there. You know, it's it's mosquito control. It's it's pollution. It's it's stuff. And I I I have no hard feelings with Bob. We get along great. We talk and and Jerry, we've done stuff for years years and

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years, like you said, lived together. But I just want to see the progress. I'm happy things are are starting to turn and and like I said, I'm glad you say that this isn't going to go into winter and and be prolonged prolonged. I mean, the weather's nice. There was nice weather. See a couple loads. It should

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have been just >> you get a week's worth of guys just going at it. You can make some progress. So, I hope that I hope that that will happen. >> All right. Thank you. Um All right. Anybody else um want to say anything? Um I'm going to

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keep that open or I can close it and then allow the attorney to speak again later. I mean that's >> Do you got the pictures? >> You have the working ones. >> Okay. >> You want to hand those to um our chief and he can hand those down?

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>> Yeah. I think this is kind of a big packet item where you can start on either end or something. However you want to do it, I guess. There's a bunch there of big loads. Then there's two separate loads here. It's all the same. >> That's kind of >> So this is two packets.

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One bound together. This is just a nice individual pictures. >> Okay. upstairs that are the same one. Mhm. Mhm. Not sure what that means. the money he got for him or this looks

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like the truck that was on the >> What's the uh annotation on the uh photos? There's like some numbers written across them. I think it's related to the loans took out.

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So then how that gentleman is >> good deal. Thank you. So, any other questions? So, I have a question. Um, how has all this stuff accumulated. How how where why do you

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have all this stuff on your property? >> Well, I think one of the things that happened is um that correct me if I'm wrong, Bob, where you take this kind of stuff, aluminum, steel, um metal, copper, that kind of thing in

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Minneapolis is a big plant where they process it, I guess. And they're pretty picky about how they take it, but they shut that down for was it 90 days or more than that? >> Four months. >> But no, no, Mr. Vanderly. No, no, no.

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I'm sorry. Um, but when did they shut this down? >> I think over the winter it was shut down and so then you couldn't take it there so you had to kind of wait. >> But this has been accumulating for years and years and years. Yeah. Just giving you recently what happened cuz someone

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said >> it it more came on the property. Yep. And it kind of built up during that time frame. I think over this past this past winter. But I mean big picture I think it's people people would literally dump

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things there um knowing that he'll go scrap them right when they're getting rid of them right. Maybe some of the same people that are complaining about this, dumping things on the property, leaving it at night or on a weekend or whatever, and then they know, well, Bob will Bob will scrap it, so I'm getting

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rid of it. Um, I've heard at least of a couple instances of that. So, you got something you got to get rid of. You don't know how to cut it up or take it to a scrap place or whatever, and the scrap guy does. In Carver, where I live, we have this cleanup days thing. You put it all on the curb. people come by and

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grab it who do this kind of thing and they get money on. >> May I ask of these numbers? For example, load number one, eight vehicles, $2,950. Is that what he is receiving for these vehicles or what he's paying to get rid of them? >> I'm not sure. >> Can you find out?

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>> Um, I guess >> that would be like a great incentive to get rid of things. >> Yeah. Well, he's got a good incentive, which is jail. I think with all due respect, I mean that's that's kind of was my point about the criminal. That's where I have context around this, but just I don't

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know if he wants to share is like personal finances on that, but I I can >> Okay. >> Your point is it's an incentive if you're making money on this. >> Is that is that your point? >> I think so. I think >> I would I would like to see him take

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this get some money out of all this thing that he's been doing and >> and that's he gets paid when he takes it down to this place in Minneapolis. So yeah, I mean that's inherently that's I guess the answer the really big answer to your question. Why is all this stuff accum cuz he can make money with it up

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get it somewhere and then >> all right >> just built up. >> So I think um we have the photos um we've heard your story. Uh what I'm going to say is uh we can always uh so

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is the August 1st deadline um what was do you know >> should I talk to about that before you move on or do you want me to take take you in the in the hallway and you can >> Sure. >> Well, I'll talk to them. You can let me know when you want us to report it back.

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>> Okay. Um I'll give you five minutes. How's that? >> Yeah, that's great. >> All right. All right. So, we'll come back to that. Um, so we're going to go on to early voting. We'll do that next and then we'll go back to the um to the abatement issue.

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So early voting 18-day option consideration. >> Madame Mayor, did you want to close the public hearing? >> Well, do you want to keep it open? >> I have a comment if you want to know some of the answers. >> So, what I'll do is maybe I'll keep it open just until they come back and then

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if you if there's one more comment you would like to make, I'll I'll allow that. But let's do the early voting um agenda item and then we're going to come back to the abatement item. Okay. All right. >> Um uh Paula is presenting on the early >> I'm sorry. Yep.

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>> Yeah. Uh with the new legislation that was um done in May, it resulted in a new law that requires municipalities to decide whether they want to administer uh the full absentee voting period um or

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to just administer the 18-day voting period. I didn't say that very well. Um I'll reword that. if we want to do the full absentee envelope voting system or if we want to transition to only processing the 18 days of direct ballot

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or early voting. >> Yes. >> Um >> yes 18 days >> I can explain more or if you guys want to vote we can do it that way too or I can answer questions. Let me know. Well, I guess the one question I had is is it

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peanut butter to cross all elections? Because just doing the math on the last presidential election cycle, that comes out to about 15 voters per hour for the entire 18 day period. >> Mhm. >> So, are we guess stuck with one sizefits-all? Cuz it's a no-brainer for

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offcycle elections. >> Sure. >> But, uh, Sure. >> Do we have the option to extend it for presidential years? >> We do not. So, if we decide to do it, it's primary in general, you know, we can change our mind. Like, we could do it for this election cycle. If it

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doesn't work, we can decide for the presidential to change it back to the full 46. Um, one thing to remember, if you know, if we have five voters or if we haveund whatever, we are still doing staff is still doing the same setup, the

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same process. So, it still takes the same amount of time, same amount of staff to do. So, um, what was the rest of your question? >> No, I think you can answer. >> No, if you could switch back if this is >> you, we can, you know, um, it's it's not

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a we choose and this is what we live with. We do have to, if we decide to do it, we have to do it for the full cycle. >> Yeah. >> So, every two years basically you could >> So, we'd have to wait. If we want to go back, we'd have to do it for the presidential. We'd have to make that motion, but we can't choose to do it for

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the primary and not the general. >> Got it. Okay. And people can still do the mail and they actually >> they still have a way to vote earlier. >> They can still vote. Yep. Um we do have some some voters who don't have trust in the in the system. So they can drop off

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their ballots here and they can be curried over to Henipin County. >> How long is the uh window for mailin ballots? >> Um mail-in ballots that absentee voting starts on June 20 June 26th. >> It's a long time.

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>> It's a long time. So, and then the uh early voting starts on July 24th. And during early voting, people can still absentee vote. They can still vote by by mail during that time, too. They don't have to come in, but >> um we would have the option they could

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come in and vote directly. >> Yeah, that seems seems good. >> Mhm. >> 18 sounds good. >> So, we'll go with 18 uh for this election cycle. see how it goes and if uh the council desires to make a change two years from now or um just keep it on

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the um horizon on on the you know so you can bring it back to the council saying okay this is what we did 2 years ago do you still want to keep it at 18 or do you want to change it and then you'll provide the statistics as well >> absolutely we will do that >> okay so I do um I think there's a

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resolution >> there is no resolution just want um direction Okay. Okay. We'd prefer a motion. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, is there a motion then to um make early voting 18-day option consider consideration? >> So,

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>> thank you, Mr. Vicky. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Miss Rafkin. Any other questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. >> I. All those opposed? Motion passes. So, next um they're still out there. So, we're going to go to the West Edge North

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Saunders Trail Replacement. accept quotes and award the contract. I believe that's Miss Bolski. >> That is Thank you, Mayor Whan. Council, included in your packet is a memo summarizing um the the West Edge Boulevard Trail project. As council may recall, we included a bid alternate with

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the 2026 street improvement project for the trail replacement. Um and as I mentioned, um when council awarded that contract, um there was a data entry error um on the low bidder for the street improvement project. Um, and so council awarded the street improvement

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project without that bid alternate. Um, and there was that that that provided council with a a 70 just a little over $79,000 um, uh, quote or bid that was better for the street improvement project. So since

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then, um, we did prepare the package as a separate quote package and sent it out to a couple contractors. We received um, pardon me, we sent it to four contractors. Now, one of the things that changed from the time that this was bid to the time that it was quoted is um public works

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went and got some cores out there and we realized that instead of it being a milan overlay, it's it's a removal and replacement. So, that was some good diagnostic work that the public works department did. Um so, we provided that information um along with the quote package um to four contractors. We got

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two quotes back. One from JBT Black topping that's done quite a bit of work for public works. However, they did not provide traffic control or soding as that's not work that they perform and they do not have a um a relationship with a with a subcontractor for that. Um

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and then we also got a quote from WM Mueller which is the contractor for the 2026 street improvement project. Um and as it works out that Mueller's quote for the asphalt work was lower than JBT um JBT's quote. So, we felt very

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comfortable providing council with a recommendation to award the contract to WM Mueller. Uh, we also included in the quote package an alternate for removal because that is work that public works could perform. Um, public works reviewed Mueller's quote for removals and

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indicated that it is lower for Mueller to do that work than for city forces to do that. Um, so with that, we are u making a recommendation that council um accept the base bid and the bid alternate. um and award the contract to WM Mueller and Suns in the amount of

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$61,28340 and uh the improvements would be paid for by the park fund and I'd be happy to answer any questions council may have. >> Thank you. Council, any questions? >> Uh you mentioned that the current uh asphalt isn't thick enough to do a mill and overlay. Will will this current

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replacement allow us to do that in the future? >> Yes. Um that's a good question. So, we did work we did um look at the pavement thickness so that we could be able to perform a mill and overlay in the future. >> Question. >> Oh, so how thick is it going to be?

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>> I believe we put it in as 3 in. Thank you. All right. Um any other questions? Otherwise, is there a motion to approve or accept the quotes and award the contract to WM Mueller and

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Suns in the amount of 62,000 $28340 for the Saunders Trail Replacement West Edge and N Saunders Trail Replacement? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Mr. Govern. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Miss Refkin. Further questions?

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Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> I. All those opposed? Motion passes. 50. So, we're going to move back to our public hearing. Mr. Vander Lindy, you wanted to make another one more comment. If you could come forward to the podium

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so you're on camera on on like when you said the they were shut down Minneapolis, there is about 20 or 30 scrapards. There's not just one scrapyard. So, there there's there's there's millions of scrapards down there

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to access the stuff. and answer your question about there is value there's lots of value in this deal. So it's really it's a matter that's why it's kind of upsetting is why is it so piling up when when there I I understand that it fluctuates and and I haul scrap we

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clean up lots of farms sites and stuff like that. So I just wanted to help clarify some of the stuff you >> sure thank you Mr. Vanderi. All right um Mr. Schultz, you're back up. Okay, you now should have some pictures in your email or real soon hopefully.

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Um, I did have a chance to speak to my client. Thank you. I appreciate that because you're willing to talk about what a real deadline is and and and give him an opportunity to to meet that deadline. So, appreciate that. He appreciates it too and he thinks

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September 1st would be realistic. Um they're going to have a lot of work to do. >> Yep. >> This summer. >> Okay. If the council agrees to that, I just want to make it also clear to to your client, Mr. Bosma and his sons what

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could potentially happen if it doesn't. It's not just the criminal aspect, but it's also then the abatement would move forward and any costs that the city would incure due to that abatement process would then be put on the tax

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role of the property and it has to be paid for in the very next year. It can't be like over 20 years. You have to come up with those funds immediately. So, I just want to make that really clear. Um, and then if it's not, if then if those

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taxes are not paid, then the property goes into foreclosure. Okay? So, I want to make it very very clear the huge ramifications here that you could potentially um experience. Uh, this is this isn't something to take lightly and we're

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serious about cleaning up this property. So, council, would you be okay with the September 1st abatement? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, we're um I think we'll be fine with the September 1st abatement and we'll go forward with that. So, the

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abatement order will be issued um and you'll have until September 1st and after that, good luck. I >> I just >> I just need to say for the record, so I've told Mr. Bosma I can't represent him. I don't represent him on the

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abatement issue, right? On real property issues versus the criminal matter. But um I'll make sure he understands what you just said if he doesn't or um get him counsel that can explain it. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'm not sure if you'd be open to have

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him come back for clarification if he needs. >> He can talk to staff. Absolutely. Yeah. Mr. Bosma, if you have questions um or if your sons have questions, I would highly recommend that you talk to staff and they they can direct you or give you the information you would need. Okay.

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All right. Um Sarah, what what do you need? >> Uh Madame Mayor, members of the council, you have a resolution in your packet that will basically authorize the abatement. And in order to keep things moving, I would suggest that you approve

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the resolution tonight with the change that the deadline is now September 1st instead of August 1st. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Council. Um anybody want to make a motion? uh would be resolution number 64-26 declaring

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9550 West Hill Road a public nuisance and issuing an abatement order changing the deadline to September 1st from the August 1st deadline that's in our packet >> move. >> Thank you, Mr. Vicky. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Miss Refkin. Is there any

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other questions or discussion? >> My question is does does this gentleman understand what you just said? I think his sons and um fully understand what what we've just been discussing and m Mr. Bosma is also shaking his head.

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Yes. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bosma. >> All right. All right. Any other questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. >> I. I. >> All those opposed. Motion passes 50. All right.

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So, that concludes our public hearing. I'm going to close the public hearing at this time. and we're going to move on to our next item on the agenda. Thank you for coming. >> Y my phone is chugging.

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>> Not yet. I'll I'll send you an email when I get them. >> I'll give them to you because then you can still share them with people. >> That would be appreciated. >> But it might be nice to see what's all right. Um next we have um let's see.

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And next we have the pavement maintenance accepted. Uh yeah, that let's see. That's the P. Yeah, we're kind of going back and forth and back and forth here. Um and then last one out. Could you close the door if you want to be out in the hall? So if you

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don't mind. All right, they're going out. So that's fine. All right. Next, um uh pavement maintenance accept bids and award the contract. And could you also maybe explain a little bit because this was done in conjunction with Excelsia. I think that's great. Um I really would

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like to see things like that happen more often if possible. So um good job there. So >> certainly uh thank you mayor and members of council. At the April 20th meeting, council approved plans and specifications for the 2026 pavement maintenance project. It includes uh

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surface treatments such as crack fill, seal coat, fog seal, and pavement rejuvenator. Uh this was a joint project with the city of Excelsier. Um amongst staff, we had a discussion and thought that it would be a good option to bring forward to council to do a joint project

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with other communities. um by generating a larger project um we t we we typically hear that we're getting better pricing and I think council um can see that in the um in the the bids that were received here. Um the the cost savings for the contractor certainly is

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mobilization when we can we can uh partner with with adjacent communities. So, um due to the size of the the pavement maintenance project, uh we went out for bid and we ended up we just bid both projects just um to keep everything clean and and and the same instead of

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doing one quote package, one bid package. Um included in the packet is the um is a summary of the bids that were received. So on I'm on page 61, I include a summary of the bids that were received for the project. Now that's the

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total project cost. Um so Allied Blacktop Company is the low uh the low bid for the crack fill seal coat and fog seal. We also received a quot a bid from Pearson Brothers. Um and then the engineers estimate like uh was was in

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between the two there. Um and then we also received one bid from Corrective Asphalt Materials for the pavement rejuvenator which they call Reclamite. Um and uh that that bid came in under the engineers estimate as well. Um, council may recall, I believe it was

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last year, we only received uh one bid for that pavement rejuvenator. That's um it's a newer product and um so we're I'm not surprised to see only one bid. Um I know that there are other contractors that are starting to get into the rejuvenator, but we've um we feel very

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comfortable with corrective asphalt and the um the product that they provide. >> Did they do that last year for They did and we included in the in the the bid package um for them to install they call them booms but it's basically like a filter um within the catch basins so

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that if there were any runoff from the product yes it would like from that I was just going to ask you >> that's a very good question. So um no I I can I some very confidently that we would do nobody wants a repeat from last year. >> Um and I'm sure they don't either.

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>> They do not. They do not. they they certainly stepped up and and took care of it. So, we're very grateful for that, but we don't want that to happen. >> Um, so further along on page 61, um, I broke down the miniaturista portion of the project costs. Um, so we're at just

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over 57,000 for the rejuvenator portion of the project and then, uh, $271,250 for the, um, pavement maintenance components. So, uh, the Excelsier Council, um, is is considering this this

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evening. I I don't anticipate that they would have any issues with this. We've set up the contract so that um, you know, the project would be pay voucher for Ministrista work comes to Minatrista. Pay voucher for um, Excelsier work goes to Excelsier. So,

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there's no no need for any bookkeeping um, for Minatrista to to invoice Excelsier. We're going to keep those separate should the council award the contract. So, uh, we are confident with both contractors and recommending a word of the contract. And I'm happy to answer any questions council may have.

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>> Yeah. I have a question. Can you just reclamite? Is that put on after the pavement is down? Um, it's like a sealant. >> Yeah. So, this is where your city engineer is kind of like the jack of all trades master. So, my pavement

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rejuvenator um there's um what it does it it helps with the from my understanding that the the elasticity of the the pavement in there. So, there's a there's a window of time where a rejuvenator can go in there and and the the intent is to go and rejuvenate the

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binding material. I'm boring and I know I'm sorry, but the binding material of of that because it's a flexible pavement and the idea is to keep it flexible. Okay. So, um, so that's what the rejuvenator does. Um, Gary can certainly pop in here and and if if I've missed

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something, um, but that's that's my 10,000 foot under. >> Okay. And then generally when when do you apply the reclamate then? How what's the window of opportunity? Put it that way. >> Um, I believe ideally within two years, but and I think maybe three, but I I

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don't from what I recall from conver I know Gary's spoken to the contractor quite a bit. Um, I think it's within two to four years of of initial paving. >> Okay. >> I see Gary's unmuted himself. >> Okay.

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Gary, do you need to add anything? >> I guess the answer is no. Um, >> it has that answers my question. >> Yeah, it's fairly new pavement to answer your question. Fairly new pavement. It's not something that you would put on a 10-year-old street because at that point it's oxidized too far and you're not

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rejuvenating pavement. >> Okay. >> And how long how long do we anticipate that that will extend the life of the road? >> I I'm going off memory on the studies. They've they've had um what would normally have been a let's

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see a 30-year life or 40-year life. I think we're getting another 10 to 15. Um, >> and do you have to reapply it too then? >> I think if if I remember correctly, payment rejuvenators have two applications and then at that point they're saying you're you're not going

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to it's a diminishing return. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> So, I think that's really good. You know, it's good that we have a um a contractor that's very upfront and honest as far as the limitations, if you will, on on the the application of that. >> Yeah. Um and and they have they I don't

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remember specifically but I have looked through their studies um that show the the longevity and you know for for the co the cost and the benefit um especially if it extends the life even 10 years you know uh really is good especially when we're

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>> struggling to kind of keep up with all of the road roads that we currently have. Yeah. And I I know uh Gary Peters has has done a lot more um he was really the one that w that really um brought this in and did a lot of research on this on the forefront. So I really

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appreciate the work that he's done on it. Um so I'm I'm very confident and okay what I've read and based on what Gary's um investigated as well. >> Well, I know Gary is pretty thorough and um if he's recommending it then then it's a good thing. So all right. Did we know why Pearson Brothers was so much

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higher than Allied? >> So that's a good So we did come in on the middle. Um for the the engineers estimate, we always like to come in on the middle. So we just lucked out on that. So um so without talking to them,

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generally um when we see one contractor higher and one contractor lower, the higher the higher bid, they might have some work already. Um and so I think they probably looked at this project. I know they were interested obviously to submit a bid and then we saw a lower um

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bid from Allied and they they do good work and you know maybe they they just don't have their crews busy enough yet and so they're looking to fill up with some work and so they provided us some pricing that came in under our estimate. So it's it's not unusual to see um a

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delta as you as you know in in street improvement projects and and I think pavement maintenance is is along the same lines. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Um Gary was trying to talk. He's having some technical difficulties, but he did give me the sequence of events. So you have you you pave the road year one.

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>> Mhm. >> Year two, you do the reclamite. >> Okay. >> Then you do year uh reclamite again at five years after that and then another five years after that. So there's three applications. >> Three applications. Okay. All right. >> And you know throughout the process you're >> you know evaluating the road surface to

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see how it's reacting and things like that. So yeah, >> um >> we'll we'll get there eventually. I don't know when the first time we did reclamite was if it was 2022 >> that was I rely heavily on Gary with those. >> So but we'll work through that sequence and you know we'll we'll see how it how

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it goes. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. Um council, any other questions otherwise um so let me just get this straight. the um the motion should be is it for the full

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amount or just for the amount that Minatrista will be on the hook for? >> Um Mayor Whan, if I were I'm just going we're accepting the bids and then I believe the way I said I'm just Okay, here we go. So

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in the in the resolutions I've included um that the total I've included both the total project amount and minrist as portion. So, okay. Um, if if unless um city attorney Sansala has uh a recommendation otherwise, I I would be

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comfortable if you just adopted the resolution as as as presented because I it covers you on both that we're awarding the contract, but I've specified what miniaturist's anticipated portion is unless finance director G. >> And then just one other question real quick. Should for some reason or other

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Excelsier not want to do this and they say no, we're we're not going to do this. Do we are we can we still do this for the 271? Um Mayor Willen, that's a good question. I don't anticipate that the contractor would have an issue with

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doing that. So, typically how these contracts work, they're they're a unit price contract, and so there's a certain amount um if you if you're not using um a certain percentage of the unit prices as you bid it. Um but >> okay, >> I don't recall off the top of my head,

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but I don't anticipate that that would be an issue. >> I just don't want to be on the hook for the 353. That's all I'm saying, basically. >> Yes, that's a good question. It's a unit price contract, so you would only pay for what they what work they have done. >> All right. So the motion will be to

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accept um uh the bids and award the contract for the 2026 pavement maintenance project with the total price being 353226 and then a Trista's portion being 271,250 and then also um provide or also giving

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the corrective asphalt materials the 89431 of which Minatrista will be paying $57,64. Correct. You need two motions, right? Because there's two resolutions.

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>> I think Yeah, we we can do them together. I mean, >> it's >> Yeah, >> as long as it's clear. >> As long as it's clear. >> Both of them. Yes. >> Right. All right. So, I just stated the motion. Is there a motion to that? Is there a >> motion to approve resolution 6626

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accepting the bids for crack fill seal coat and fog seal portion? and a motion to approve resolution 67-26 accepting the bids for the reckonite portion of the 2026 pavement manage maintenance project. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Governor. Any questions?

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Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> I. >> All those opposed. Motion passes 5. That concludes all of our business items. And next we move on to administrative items. Um future agenda items. >> Yes, madame mayor, members of city

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council. This is our first uh first go at kind of outlining some future agenda items so I can talk briefly about them. If you have questions, please please let me know. Uh but we will have our tobacco ordinance at the work session on the 15th. We'll have that lift assist ordinance uh to review at the work

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session on the 15th. Brian will start doing his 2027 budget kickoff at the 15th. And then we'll be doing um a water rate adjustment. So as we go to monthly billing, we're also adjusting for that monthly billing. um on the 15th and

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that's going to be at the work session. We've we've talked about this during the budget process last year, but then at the regular meeting, we're going to be asking you to to approve those um that amendment to the fee schedule. >> Okay. >> Um >> get through all those items. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> Kind of a lot. >> I think so. I mean, that the two tobacco and lift lift assist ordinances are pretty pretty quick, I think. Um >> Okay. Yeah. >> All right. Okay. Um and then on the then on the 15th >> and then we also have a land lease for

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cell cell tower discussion on the 15th as well. So we have some terms >> that are more favorable than what we had previously. So >> um and then the other last thing is on the the 13th of July we have water meter software update. So there's a a required

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update to our water meter software that we're >> and that'll be on a work session. >> It'll be work session on the on the 13th. And then um can I ask Miss Lacy, you wanted something you wanted to ask about adding something at one point to the >> so to a work session

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>> staff report? Yes. I would like to add that we have some discussion about our current ATV ordinance. Um it just seems a bit restrictive and uh one of the points seems incredibly restrictive and I think just about every single person that lives on water in Minitrist is

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probably violating it at least once a week. So we should discuss it. >> So we'll probably have to put that on the um 713 work session then because we've already got you know so is >> maybe everyone can read it and take a peek and >> is everybody okay with that?

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Um so we'll add that to the um 713 work session because I don't anticipate the water meter software update will be too lengthy. No, it's just a matter of getting get it in front of you guys

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>> um and at a future city council meeting adopting it and and implementing in 27. >> All right. Then uh staff reports. >> I don't have anything. >> David, do we need somebody for plan uh for planning? >> June 22nd.

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>> June 20. Oh, I can't. No, I can't. Um >> there'll probably be a parks meeting before that, too. >> There will be. >> Yeah. What what is on the agenda? Do you know >> the planning commission? There's three different items on the planning commission agenda. And the parks commission is going to talk about the

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event in the park. >> Okay. Okay. >> I could do that. >> You So Peter Peter could do it. All right. All right. >> All right. >> Thank you, Peter. Any other staff reports? We have a um bus tour tomorrow

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um almost full. Uh there's a few seats left, so if you're interested, you can join us still. Um, anything police related? Okay, we're good. Um, council reports. >> None for me.

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>> None for me. >> And >> uh, well, I had attended the Pioneer Sarah Creek wershed meeting and the Henipin County representatives mentioned that they have uh, I think it was about a million and a half to distribute uh,

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for various uh, environmental projects. And I mentioned it to Jasper and of course he knew about it already uh and had applied uh for some help with Lyall Park. Um but he did say that we never get anything. >> Well, so I guess that was all for not

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>> Well, no, no, but here's the thing. Um, we did apply for some grants for parks and then um I think Commissioner Anderson said, "Hey, next time you apply um let me give you some pointers because it's based they do they go through and

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they give you points." And so it depends on how you word it and how you >> So maybe if we're going to apply for parks grants, then we should probably talk with with the county to see how we can move on up in the in uh ratings.

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Well, and if I may, David knows better than I, but I think we have gotten some of these funds in the past. It's just taken, I think, three iterations. Yeah. >> Us giving more money. >> Yeah. >> Match. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think they like to see at least like 50% or even

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>> the same process and the ones that we've been awarded that we don't get awarded. So, >> okay. >> The key to this is raise our amount. >> Our amount. Okay. >> Maybe we'll have to talk about that. We bring it up at the park commission. See what they think. That's you. >> Yeah, >> it's your money.

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>> Well, it's not. >> So, wait. Well, you know, put that on the 713 work session. Would that be too late? >> Well, we already we already we're already in applied. So, we're, you know, we're a whole another cycle out. >> Oh, okay. Okay.

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>> Get some money more money in and then we can >> and then we can talk about it. Okay. We'll put it on your radar then. All right. Thank you. All right. Anything else, Peter? >> Nope. All right, Kathleen. >> Um, I attended the parks and the planning commission meeting the other week, which was last week. Um, planning

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commission was just the one item that we approved the um house on the property. Uh, parks commission. They focused on the um party in the park. They picked a date. It will be Tuesday, July 14th from 5 to 7:00. They're going to look into getting food

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trucks, possible an ice cream truck. Um, I recommended they reach out to Mac and for um possible donations. Um, they thought you got the bounce house last year. >> We bought it from a church. I don't um I don't remember the church. Um,

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Freshwater Church, I think it was donated their bound they came with their bounce house. >> So, I think they were planning on reaching out to you about helping with that again. >> Okay. >> Um, they were going to see about getting it posted on Facebook and then um they're going to meet in June to finalize it. um that got they wanted to

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know if there's any information the city wants to hand out at the event, flyers or maybe stuff for the 2050 comp plan to get people involved or just any news that's happening, any just basically paperwork to hand out or any stuff like that. >> Yeah. Um but that was the main thing. So

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we'll see how they do. They seem excited about it. >> Yeah. >> And it was a great turnout last time. Um I don't know if we did it last year or not, but anyhow, the first time we did it was a really big turnout, so that was great. Let's see. Um I'll be attending the Northwest League on Wednesday. Um

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next Wednesday, and uh we'll be getting a legislative update from uh the League of Minnesota Cities. And of course, all of you were there. Um we did the um groundbreaking, if you will, um for the our water treatment plant. It's really

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exciting. Um we're seeing it come to fruition. This is something that we've been working on for the past four to 5 years and uh yeah, now it's now we're seeing the nuts and bolts and we're seeing the progress. So, this is exciting for our community. It'll be 2

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years before it's up and running, but um after that then we can um address the water tower that needs to be repainted and reurbished. So, but um uh that's really it for me, I think. um regional council mayors, Minha Creek. Um and I

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also reached out to Minihawk Creek Wershed District to find out what they're doing on the property on Painters Road, the property that they purchased recently that they were going to be doing some um BMPPS on for water quality for Jennings Bay. So, I'm I'm just kind of curious as I drove by there

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and it was kind of a mess. So, I'm just kind of curious as I know it will look great. I know it will look wonderful once it's done, but I was kind of curious as to what they're doing and what what's what the event or what the end result will look like. So, that's all I have. I just have one more. Um,

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it's kind of a side note. I know at the last meeting with the um outsourcing of the water bills. I was curious how many hours staff takes on calls and what they do and the process if there's complaints or whatever and just from emailing Brian found out that they don't actually track how many calls they get about the water bills or whatnot. So, I wanted to know

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council's thoughts on possibly having them start tracking them in July, just so we can know if they're getting more complaints about info send the new rates. Just something super simple. I just created a spreadsheet and just put tally marks on it for whoever answers the phone. Like no like phone call on this, just check it like no info needed,

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no anything else. Just so if there are a lot of complaints, we can see it. if it's high in July and then stops in August, just so we can track in case there's a huge demand on staff time, we'll have documentation to support that, >> which will make decisions if they do need more staff or it's not going well,

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we'll know. We'll have the documentation, which obviously everyone knows I like. So, I'm going to guess a lot of the calls are going to be for water rates or how come I'm getting two bills, I just paid my bill. Those are going to be the primary um uh questions or or calls that

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we're going to be getting. Um but that's fine. Um if do you think that um staff can do that pretty easily? >> But yeah, like a sheet that I mean just something sitting by there. They just mark it and like super easy. >> Yeah. Electronically or or hard copy or Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Basically

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>> get some data. All right. Great. >> So is there anything else >> confidentiality? Um, I don't know if I can ask this question, but and if I can't, that's fine, but I'll ask question then don't answer it. I'd like to know um about the police officers that were terminated.

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>> What I would what I would recommend and that's that's kind of a sensitive issue because it's a um so I would say you should talk offline to Paula and or Craig. Thank you. >> To that point, I would like to thank Officer White for his long service with us. I was very sad to see that he was

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leaving cuz I remember him from one of our first national lights out in Woodland Cove and he was like, "Yeah, I'm officer B. White." And it was just hilarious and he totally played up his name and it was just funny. He had a very good sense of humor with the kids. >> Yes. Yes. The officer Roy will

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definitely be missed. Excuse me. Um he held pretty much every every sort of uh um position you could have in the police department. And I think that has something to do with that. He was DTF and um SRO and various other elements.

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So, um now he's moving on to uh the county. So, >> yeah. All right. Thank you. Are you going to have some kind of a farewell for him? >> Yep. We're still working on it. He's we're actually doing a shoot his last day. So, it's going to be a full day while we're here. So,

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>> can you keep me posted then? Let me know when. Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Some move. >> Thank you. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Governor. All those in favor signify with I. I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes and we are

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adjourned. Thank you. All right. That begin to come off as lip