WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 2 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=Ydy1trvLTJE Video-2: youtube.com/watch?v=ehdy-7on9kE NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: Ydy1trvLTJE): - 00:00:00: Meeting Call to Order and Agenda Overview - 00:01:07: Introduction to Cyber Security Controls Discussion - 00:01:55: Current State of City's Security Controls - 00:04:48: End-User Training, Vulnerability Scanning, Dark Web Monitoring - 00:06:50: Email Threat Scanning and Quarterly Service Reviews - 00:08:12: Recommended Future Cyber Security Investments - 00:14:45: Public Comment: Spoofed Emails and Website Scraping - 00:15:52: Administrator Adds To Public Comment Discussion - 00:17:30: Public Comment: Bogus Invoices Details - 00:18:10: Public Comment: Where Bogus Invoices Originate - 00:18:45: Cybersecurity Discussion Conclusion and Water Main Introduction - 00:20:03: Introduction to Future Water Main Extension Discussion - 00:21:16: Water Treatment Plant Construction Update - 00:24:11: Water Plant Excavation and Construction Progress - 00:25:16: Water Plant Project Website and Ongoing Meetings - 00:27:32: Pipeline Improvements Discussion Begins - 00:28:22: Development Pipeline Sizing Discussion - 00:31:20: Discussion of Accate Development Pipeline Needs - 00:32:12: South Pipeline Improvements and Water Velocity Considerations - 00:35:18: Discussion: Long-Term Pipeline Development Concerns - 00:37:26: Past Development Water Line Requirements Discussion - 00:38:29: Infrastructure Trunk Fees Discussion - 00:40:20: Potential Pressure Issues Around the Water Plant - 00:42:32: Relating Water Pressure Discussion to Potential Development - 00:43:51: Pumping Capacity Limited to 1500 Gallons per Minute - 00:46:59: Capitalizing on Clear Well Capacity and Design Timelines - 00:48:03: A Mutually Beneficial Solution For Water Access - 00:50:16: Trying To Come To A Mutually Beneficial Financial Decision - 00:51:35: North Side Recommendations - 00:53:04: Potential Sewer Connection Issues - 00:55:13: Water Connection and Pipeline Bidding Benefits - 00:57:11: Hallside Pipeline Improvements and Discussion Begins - 00:59:36: Brief Cost Estimate Overview - 01:00:07: More Specific Questions Arise - 01:01:15: More Cost Questions Discussed - 01:01:30: Timeline For the New Changes - 01:02:19: Basement and The Timelines Are Discussed - 01:03:23: The Market's Reaction Discussed - 01:04:30: Taking a Proactive Approach Discussed - 01:06:04: Should We Wait or Should We Go Forward with this? - 01:07:10: Bottom Line: The Need for a Future Improvement - 01:07:28: Water Pressure Concerns from Paul - 01:08:16: Discussion of bonding money and all details coming together - 01:09:06: What about other concerns? - 01:09:22: Directional Drilling Discussed - 01:10:09: More Boring is Needed - 01:10:56: Adjourning the Meeting Part 2 (Video ID: ehdy-7on9kE): - 00:00:04: Meeting Call To Order and Pledge of Allegiance - 00:02:00: Public Comment: Lake Improvement Districts Concerns - 00:09:35: Public Comment: Wood Edge Road Paving Request - 00:15:52: Consent Agenda Items Approval - 00:17:17: Public Comment: Sign Ordinance Concerns and Penalties - 00:23:18: Staff Reports: Trista Day, Legislation, Sheriff Funding - 00:33:25: Adjournment of the City Council Meeting Part: 1 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:19.359 --------- the city of Minatrista for April 6th, 2026. Uh, present here this evening are Paula Bowman, our city um assistant administrator, Gary Peters, our uh public works director, a council president, our Brian Govern, Kathleen Refkin, myself, Lisa Whan, um, and then 2 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:36.160 we have um, Jasper Krugal, administrator, Brian Grim, finance director, and David Ael, who is our community development director. And then Aaron, what's your last name? Aaron with A2S is here as well. Um we 3 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:51.600 are expecting um our another council member, Claudia Lacy. She did notify us that she would be late, so that's fine. She'll join us when she gets here. And then we also have um a couple of the developers going to be joining us for our second item. I'm going to switch the 4 00:00:51.600 --> 00:01:07.760 two items around. So, we're going to talk with Laughler first regarding cyber security and then when we're done with that, hopefully by that time the others will have joined us and then we'll be talking about um future water infrastructure. So, I'm going to hand it over to you first. Excuse me. 5 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:22.720 >> Yes. U Madame Mayor, members of city council. Uh this is stemming from our strategic planning session that we had in in March or in February. um just to kind of talk about cyber security, what we do at at the city and and Jeff will talk about some things that we could 6 00:01:22.720 --> 00:01:39.520 maybe consider um adding to our arsenal to kind of protect ourselves from from um threats um and looking if if we do want to do anything, I'd recommend we do it and budget for it in 2027. So Jeff, I'll hand it off to you uh and you can kind of go through there and I'd say 7 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:55.360 feel free to ask questions as as we're doing as we're moving along. >> Yes. Well, thanks Jasper. Um, by all means, uh, please feel free to ask questions as I go, but I thought I would give you the the current state 8 00:01:55.360 --> 00:02:15.360 of our security controls at the city. >> Okay. >> Uh, can everybody see my screen? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> All right. >> And Paul, just so you know, we switched the um agenda items knowing that some people were were coming late. So, yeah. 9 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:30.400 Yeah. Okay. >> All right. >> All right. >> So, um it's a little bit of an eye chart, uh but I'll uh I'll explain each item. So, first of all, uh there are two internet connections uh at at the city. 10 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:47.920 Uh one for the city hall, uh and the PD and one for the LTG. both fire both connections are protected by firewalls and those firewalls all have what's called active gateway security services. 11 00:02:47.920 --> 00:03:02.640 Um so that just simply means that all traffic going in and out of the firewall are being scanned for malware for viruses and other intrusions that don't have signatures. Uh we're also doing 12 00:03:02.640 --> 00:03:20.720 content filtering to eliminate the access to unwanted or dangerous sites on all of your endpoints. We have a package called called Sentinel One. 13 00:03:20.720 --> 00:03:37.440 Sentinel one is an EDR which is which is called endpoint detection and response. This is a very fast acting AI powered protection device that is geared towards eliminating ransomware. Uh and not 14 00:03:37.440 --> 00:03:55.200 really eliminating but preventing it. Um that uh is that's a very that's a very important uh piece to the uh cyber security landscape. Before that before that type of technology the the ransomware attacks 15 00:03:55.200 --> 00:04:12.159 were a lot higher. So this is definitely a big move in the protection against that. You also have a system called MDR which is powered by Arctic Wolf Networks. MDR 16 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:26.320 the the big difference between EDR and MDR is MDR has a security operations center behind it mostly being monitored not only by AI but also humans. And this 17 00:04:26.320 --> 00:04:47.960 is also looking for uh malicious traffic that is moving uh north and south out of firewalls or across your network. It's also monitoring the endpoints just like the EDR system. Any questions on those three controls? 18 00:04:48.400 --> 00:05:07.039 >> No. No. >> Okay. All right. We're also doing monthly enduser awareness training. Um we are now using a system. We've always been doing it. It used to be quarterly but now we're doing it monthly. Uh and that 19 00:05:07.039 --> 00:05:22.320 also includes fishing simulations. So we're also doing testing uh to see if there are any clickers and who they are. We are also doing external vulnerability scanning on both firewalls. What this 20 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:40.000 means is that we are scanning your firewalls the exact same way that a hacker or a cyber criminal would be scanning them. We're looking for vulnerabilities, but instead of exploiting them, we are triaging and fixing them if they do occur. 21 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:56.880 >> We're also we're also doing quarterly firewall inspections. We are going manually into both firewalls every three months to make sure that there have been no unauthorized changes and to make sure that all the security 22 00:05:56.880 --> 00:06:14.479 services that we want running are running and that all of the code and all of the firmware everything's up todate and running smoothly. We're also doing active dark web monitoring. So, if a user a user's 23 00:06:14.479 --> 00:06:29.759 credentials of an employee at the city, if they're being used outside of the city for uh you know, a private website like signing up for a Best Buy account and they're using their city address and for some 24 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:47.560 reason the the Best Buy account gets compromised and those credentials get put on the dark web. uh Laughler is monitoring that 24 hours a day and if we see a compromise we immediately reach out to the individual and we change passwords. 25 00:06:50.720 --> 00:07:06.160 The last couple things we're doing is we do uh email threat scanning. This is a scan that is happening on all emails coming into the city. And we're scanning and eliminating spam, but we're also 26 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:22.479 eliminating emails with malicious attachments and malicious links before they before they get to the users. It doesn't stop everything, which is why we have the end user awareness training. And if that uh and if they still get 27 00:07:22.479 --> 00:07:37.039 tricked, we have the MDR and we have the EDR. all of all in place to again to do everything we can to stop a cyber attack. We also review all of these services uh 28 00:07:37.039 --> 00:07:53.520 on a quarterly basis. We have two uh a meeting once a quarter. Uh the customer success manager which is a role that I play with the with the city and we also have a virtual chief information security officer now joining those 29 00:07:53.520 --> 00:08:12.479 meetings to give an update and reporting on the AW the Arctic Wolf Networks service. So those that's a lot. Uh we've built this out we've built out that that uh that security uh posture over the last 30 00:08:12.479 --> 00:08:27.440 several years. Um and it's been evolving actually for the last six years. So we feel very confident, but there's there's always more work to do. We looked at some of the things um and 31 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:45.040 this is in no particular order um but uh these are some things that I think we could we could budget for in the years to come. Uh doing a annual penetration test. uh we would hire out a third-party firm 32 00:08:45.040 --> 00:09:02.480 to actually do a test against our defenses to see if they can see or get into any systems at the city. Um we recommend that on an annual basis. We also would like to review or 33 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:18.880 implement an incident response plan particularly as it pertains to cyber security to a cyber security incident. and we'd like to do a annual tabletop exercise with all of those involved in 34 00:09:18.880 --> 00:09:34.880 the plan. We like to do this annually as well. Um it's it's kind of like a pick your own adventure. We won't do the same type of of security incident each year. It'll get more and more uh creative, but also 35 00:09:34.880 --> 00:09:52.560 very relevant to what we're seeing in the industry. Doing continuous internal vulnerability scanning is a lot of work. It produces a lot of remediation potentially, but we believe that internal vulnerability 36 00:09:52.560 --> 00:10:07.440 scanning is a control that should be considered. Uh again, we're looking for outofdate systems and we're not just looking for computer systems. We're looking for anything attached to the network these days. That could be a 37 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:23.600 refrigerator. It could be um any type of of of device that is connecting to the internet for any type of communication. Those will show up on you know HVAC sometimes is uh uh is on the network. Um 38 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:40.720 we're looking at all controls to see if there are vulnerabilities exposed. Doing an annual security assessment. Part of the Arctic Wolf offering is a light assessment that we will work through on an annual basis, but it the 39 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:57.680 key word there is light. It's a very light assessment. Um, doing a more thorough phys uh a more thorough assessment is something to consider. Uh, again, that would be looking at controls in both 40 00:10:57.680 --> 00:11:14.560 internal and external technology controls. That's the vulnerability scanning. physical controls which would be uh access control, video surveillance, uh intrusion prevention type systems, access to the server room and also 41 00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:32.000 administrative controls. This kind of dovetales into policy management. A lot of uh a lot of companies, a lot of cities do not have managed policies uh for things like uh acceptable use 42 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:48.640 policies for internet access, um incident response policies, uh clean desk policies. So there's just a lot of policies that that uh surround uh cyber security controls and a lot of people don't have them and they don't manage them. um a security assessment would 43 00:11:48.640 --> 00:12:03.920 expose that uh and let you know what you have and don't have and what we need to work on backup recovery and testing. So in the event we have a situation where we have to rely on our disaster recovery uh 44 00:12:03.920 --> 00:12:18.000 controls, we need to test those and we should test those on an annual basis. And the last thing I want to touch on um is something a a little new to the industry um but it's getting a lot of a lot of press lately and it's called 45 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:36.079 risky login. So we have and I I I didn't cover this I should have. Um the city also has multifactor authentication with conditional access. So everybody these days is doing some type of multiffactor authentication in their life. uh whether that's logging on 46 00:12:36.079 --> 00:12:52.079 to your online banking account or your credit card accounts. A lot of times you're issued a one-time password. Um we use the Microsoft authenticator program to do our uh authentication. Part of that is is it includes a policy 47 00:12:52.079 --> 00:13:08.160 called geoencing. Geo fencing means that if you're in a country that is not allowed inside the policy, you can't access the tenant at all because people are trying to hack your tenant all the time. Um, and one of the ways to get it 48 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:25.760 to to prevent a lot of exposure is to eliminate the the countries that have access. So, we normally limit that to the United States. Well, now hackers have gotten very smart and they're starting to attack from within the United States. So, geo fencing becomes 49 00:13:25.760 --> 00:13:41.600 less effective. Very effective still for the majority of the hacks, but a lot of hackers are starting to now populate inside US-based data centers. So now what that what that's saying is if Jasper logs in in the in in the city of Minatrista 50 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:58.000 uh at 8 a.m. on on Monday morning and we get another attempt for Jasper trying to log in from New Mexico at at uh at 8:45. We're realizing that that's not possible, right? Um and these these 51 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:13.040 hackers will launch into the attacks from all over the United States, right? um and that is considered a risky login and it will actually create actions to shut down Jasper's account. So there's 52 00:14:13.040 --> 00:14:27.600 there's technologies like that on the horizon that um we'll also want to watch and uh it's that's a service delivered by Microsoft again. So Microsoft is definitely uh keeping the security 53 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:45.240 controls in their in their services very up to date. So, we're happy about that. So, that's that's everything that you have and that's kind of a little bit of a road map of of what we should look at. Um, any questions that I can answer? 54 00:14:45.839 --> 00:15:03.440 I I did have a question about um I know one of the issues that we've seen here in the city and uh from media reports it's been fairly widespread around Minnesota is uh spoofed emails coming appearing to come from um municipalities 55 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:19.199 trying to essentially scam people. Do you guys offer any ability to um stop website scraping or to have like a honeypot to monitor for that kind of activity? There are some some technical controls 56 00:15:19.199 --> 00:15:36.000 inside of uh the exchange online um that we that we have in place to help prevent uh spoofing. Um, also the uh the email filtering system that we use um is 57 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:52.880 is is there to help control some of that as well. Beyond that, uh it gets a little bit beyond my uh knowledge to really dive into that. Um but no, we don't have anything like that in place like a honeypot. 58 00:15:52.880 --> 00:16:07.839 >> Um if if I may, I'll add a couple things because Brian and I have had some offline conversations about this. We have looked into doing like a recapture if you're familiar with that um process on our website when you download like an agenda packet because I think that's 59 00:16:07.839 --> 00:16:24.079 what's happening is people are pulling our information off our website looking at like a um land use application pulling out pertinent information sending them an invoice and then trying to get So that's happened a few times here in miniaturrist. It happened it's h 60 00:16:24.079 --> 00:16:41.600 it's happening everywhere. Um, Civic Plus, Paula looked into this and we've been working with Civic Plus does not have that feature, but we've requested it. Um, so we're we're working on that if there's a way to do it. It would become more cumbersome to download for, you know, a normal user, but um, I think 61 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:58.079 that's fine because it would hopefully avoid um, some of the confusion that we've had uh, from some of our residents. So, we've been working on that. We we also you may have seen it in claims. We've also purchased some similar domains and added that to our domain pile um as of recently too. So 62 00:16:58.079 --> 00:17:14.400 somebody couldn't get like city of miniaturista I don't know biz or something like that and then it looks like it's coming from us. And so we've we've we've captured those and um we're trying to do almost everything we can to to avoid some of these things, but sometimes it's they're 63 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:30.960 the the actors are generally a step ahead of everybody else um that's trying to trying to alleviate these things. But um we're going to continue to work on it and and hopefully hopefully that recapture or there's some other sort sort of um solution to downloading things from our website that adds a 64 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:46.000 little check and balance. >> Right. So what has happened then if people get these bogus invoices? Have they paid them? >> No. Thankfully they've reached out to us. >> Okay. >> Confirmed whether we had sent it or not 65 00:17:46.000 --> 00:18:10.000 and we quickly we forwarded on to our public safety department and told them no it's not from us. >> So when somebody applies for a permit has any kind of dealings It's re it just recently happened. Okay. Um so but yeah, we certainly can be more 66 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:24.559 >> upfront with them about that. Yes. >> And they have investigated these and they've all come from overseas. So they kind of end at that because we're not going to go that far in the investigation. >> Right. >> Hey Claudia, 67 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:45.039 it's okay. And Highland was also closed. >> Yeah, I know. I know. Turn into all right. It's a Yeah. >> Yeah. I I can report no injuries. >> Oh, thank God. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. We'll talk about that later. 68 00:18:45.039 --> 00:19:00.480 Um All right. Any other questions regarding um for Jeff? Otherwise, I think what we should probably do then, thank you, Jeff, for all this information. It's for me it's a lot. Um I think what we'll do is if you 69 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:16.000 can at some point maybe later on this year provide our staff or maybe before we start talking budgets provide our staff with some numbers for the various things and then um also maybe talk with them and make some recommendations as to 70 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:31.200 what we need. I don't know if we need everything but um what would be the top two or three things that we should add if anything. Uh maybe we're okay with what we already have. I don't know. Um so and then they can come back and we 71 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:48.400 can then discuss that and and add it to our budget for 27. >> I can do that. >> All right. All right. >> Yeah. Thanks for your time. >> Thank Thank you. >> You kind of scary actually. Yes. 72 00:19:48.400 --> 00:20:03.520 >> That's for a living. >> Yeah. All right. Um, so now we're going to do um our the second thing that's on our agenda is the future water main extension discussion. So I'm going to ask Aaron, do you want to start that or 73 00:20:03.520 --> 00:20:20.720 >> Yeah, definitely. Um, we can kind of Yeah, if Aaron wants to to present a little bit here. I'm going to pull up the PowerPoint um he has provided us. But really what this is talking about, I'll give you a little backs back history on this. Um we've been obviously talking to u the developers regarding 74 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:37.200 the Accate property and um that's kind of where this stemmed from. We've talked about the the extension and and the redundant water line that we've needed from our future water treatment plant which they just broke ground on recently. Um and then with that we I 75 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:53.120 asked the question to A2S. I said, "Well, are there other areas in town we should be thinking about as far as, you know, having the the best system for looping and and things like that, redundant water sources?" So, there were some other um you'll see there's basically four different areas here that they're going to look at. One of them is 76 00:20:53.120 --> 00:21:10.720 pretty much needed. Um the other one, um I have them kind of in order as far as the maps go. You know, what we priority levels. Um the next one is just a little connection over here on on 110. um that would provide a lot of support for the Hallstead area. And then the other two 77 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:25.280 are kind of like, well, these would be good um but maybe not necessarily required right now, but it's good to have in front of everybody. So, I don't know if that's a good summary from how we got here. Um but I will leave it to to Aaron and I can give you give you 78 00:21:25.280 --> 00:21:42.960 this if that works for you. Thank you. >> So, can I just ask a question before Aaron starts? So, on here we listed the four main properties. So, does the bowl property not need looping or any water mane or anything out there because there wasn't anything for that in the packet? >> Yeah. So, the the bowl property, as you 79 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:59.520 know, the water towers right there. Eventually, if that area kind of as a whole kind of develops, then there likely is required to have some additional water sources and that would be that 110 line coming from Holstead over to to basically have it going to Highland, but extending that to 92 and 80 00:21:59.520 --> 00:22:16.159 then into that area. So, All right. Well, thanks, Madame Mayor, members of council. Uh, I'm here to give, I guess, a brief update on the water plant and then we'll get into pipeline improvements as, uh, Casper mentioned. So, um, I guess just a brief 81 00:22:16.159 --> 00:22:32.480 update on water plant construction. We've started, >> we were we also have did do a um, we were going to do a shovel thing. You know, we >> will. Yeah. The date, but >> it's we're going to shoot for um the work session on June 1st. 82 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:48.240 That seems like >> there'll be a lot of progress there by then. >> It'll we'll have something to look at in the background, but um >> that's that's what we've looked at. >> Okay. Why June 1st? Why not May? I I'm just asking. >> Well, so there's a timing piece. We'd 83 00:22:48.240 --> 00:23:04.159 like to wait until the legislative session ends, which is May 19th. Okay. >> So, to get it to work with that, >> we can we can do whatever you guys want, though. If you want to move it up, we sure can. So, so we're delaying it in case they give us bonding. So, some of them can be in the photo cuz that that's 84 00:23:04.159 --> 00:23:22.240 that's okay. >> Absolutely. >> We could do it in May 20th. >> Groundbreaking whenever we want. Uh it's not uncommon to do groundbreaking when we've already started. Uh just the way things typically work. But >> I just don't want to lose sight of it because we've been working on this for a 85 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:38.960 gazillion years. and uh and uh you know we've we should take pride in in what we're doing here. So um maybe we do it May 20th. I don't know. I'm just saying. >> Well, and I will forewarn you. It will seem like things are going very slow for the first six months cuz they have to 86 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:54.000 move a lot of dirt. They have to pour a lot of concrete. There will be a ginormous hole there for >> basically all summer. So it won't change much or won't look like >> that's going to be fenced off really well for all of the kids in our neighborhood. Correct. Yeah, 87 00:23:54.000 --> 00:24:11.520 >> a gazillion and ginormous. >> Some of them have been known to go into the homes that are being built. So, >> not mine. >> All right. >> Couple pictures. Um the contractor started a couple weeks ago excavating. I believe uh the they hope to be done 88 00:24:11.520 --> 00:24:26.799 excavating actually this week. Um but with all of the rain we've received recently, it slowed them a little bit. So, um there's I guess one picture. Uh you can see another picture on the right as they continue to kind of get deeper there. Uh they did deliver a crane last 89 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:42.720 week. So they used the existing drive on Highway 7 to deliver that. Uh they were very appreciative of the police department that uh helped with some warning signs and blocked off parts of Highway 7. Make sure that make sure that delivery behind was safe. So >> you couldn't get by. 90 00:24:42.720 --> 00:25:00.000 >> So that and then they're also uh constructing Mount Minatrista. >> Mount Matrista. Yeah. >> of the water plant. So, uh and for all intents and purposes, that pile of dirt will stay there, right? >> Uh and and help >> and actually kind of block the view for 91 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:15.640 Yes. Right. >> I mean, it won't look like that. >> No, there'll be terrace and landscaped and things, but for now, it's a nice place to store dirt. >> Yeah. >> So, >> there's a lot of those in that neighborhood. It's fine. >> I lost. 92 00:25:16.159 --> 00:25:32.799 >> Let me advance. There you go. Um, in addition to I guess the construction that's happening, I I think you all are aware that there is a project website. So, as things progress, we will put pictures and updates on the website just so the community can stay engaged on the 93 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:47.440 progress. There's really not a lot on there yet, but our team will continually monitor that and and work with city staff to update. >> And so, here's here's my comment on the website. I think it it I haven't I think we need to have it on our website. 94 00:25:47.440 --> 00:26:04.480 >> It is. Okay. And so I also asked staff to put either a link or something on the front page so it's very easy to find because I wasn't able to find it. >> So I I went there today. >> Okay. >> And on the the main web page there's a picture and a link to the water plant 95 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:20.559 website. >> So you off site to kind of the the web map. >> Okay. >> Um so it's very uh accessible. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Um so we're providing updates on the website. Uh we've met with the contractor throughout the winter about monthly. They really weren't obviously 96 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:36.320 doing anything on site, but just to get paperwork and and submitts reviewed. Uh so they're in the process of uh doing that submitt review, ordering the equipment and things that they need. We've got we've completed about 101 submitts, which essentially is purchasing different equipment that's 97 00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:52.960 going to go in the water plant. We review it, make sure it's correct, it meets all the specification requirements, and then once it's approved, they proceed with purchasing it. There's also been some RFIs just as they have questions about the project and details. So, we've processed those. Um, our on-site team is starting to be 98 00:26:52.960 --> 00:27:09.679 on site more regularly now that they're on site uh moving dirt. So, they they're planning to be there two to three days a week just observing construction and and providing coordination as needed. So, and we plan to meet with the contractor every other week just as a as a kind of a standing progress meeting uh to keep 99 00:27:09.679 --> 00:27:32.240 up to speed with activities. So, that's kind of it for the water plant construction. Not a lot, but exciting that they're uh starting. >> Okay. >> It's on my end. Sorry about that. >> Um, pipeline improvements. So, uh, as, 100 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:48.159 uh, Jasper mentioned, as we've been talking, kind of moving on from the water plant, uh, coordination and getting into more distribution system improvements. We met with, uh, M&I Homes to talk about the Akarati property recently, and that kind of spurred a discussion about other water main uh, 101 00:27:48.159 --> 00:28:05.679 improvements. Um, so you can see here an image just to the west of uh, the water plant south of Highway 7. There's a development that's looking to move forward. So, there's discussions about what type of water mane we may need within that development and the the size 102 00:28:05.679 --> 00:28:22.559 that we would likely request as part of overall distribution system um sizing. Um so, as you can see here, there's about 7,000 ft of of pipeline within that development. Uh we're recommending a 12-in line just to help with transmission from east to west through 103 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:39.600 your community. Um typical city uh processes anything larger than 8 in would be uh paid for by the city because of the upgrade requirement. 8 in is required. >> You're so but you're talking 8 in within the development. >> Yes, within the development that 104 00:28:39.600 --> 00:28:54.880 typically it's requirement that the developer would pay for the 8 in and then anything above that that the city requires would be city funded. Uh >> we would just pay the upcharge. >> Yes. >> Just the upcharge. >> Yeah. >> Why? So because they only require 8 in 105 00:28:54.880 --> 00:29:10.159 >> the the for this development for instance >> who's they the state the like who requires >> the city I guess is my understanding is that's kind of a city policy is 8 in standard >> we want 12 in why does our policy have eight >> so so >> that's a good question 106 00:29:10.159 --> 00:29:26.559 >> it is a good question so the 8 in is is the size needed to serve the community if there's like a trunk line or whatever we want to call these that come through there that's a different thing and not all developments will need it. And there's certain areas like in Woodland Cove that need 12 in versus 8 in. Um so 107 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:42.799 the city standard is 8 in. That's why um we could move it up to 12 um just be I don't know for most of for most of the areas and Eric can correct me if I'm wrong, but for most of these areas 8 in will serve this just fine. The 12in upgrade though is for future looping and 108 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:58.799 and more water towards the west and the as new as more developments come online. But 8 in will serve, you know, most areas just fine. >> I don't have a full system map as part of this presentation, but uh Highway 7 109 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:14.240 is a bit of a bottleneck for the community is it's a there's a single 12 in that runs down Highway 7. And because of the location of this development, as Gary mentioned, it helps increasing to 12 in helps with that transmission from 110 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:31.600 east to west. But in most neighborhoods, they wouldn't be near a main transmission corridor like this. So, we wouldn't require 12 in. So, that's I guess kind of to Jasper's point, it's this is really considered more of a trunk system improvement, not uh a standard development. 111 00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:48.080 >> And I think I don't know there's there are issues with having too big of water mans too. If they don't use enough water, that water sits in that pipe longer than what we'd like. So, it's kind of a balance of that. So, so our team has looked at kind of the proposed piping at this point and that upsizing 112 00:30:48.080 --> 00:31:03.200 charge based on, you know, what connections we might need and some of the negotiations that we might uh go through with the developer, the city will contribute probably somewhere between $300 $600,000 to do that upgrade uh in transmission. So, 113 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:20.880 >> remind me again within the we'll call it the Accate development within there, they only need 8 in, >> right? >> Okay. So, and we we're not upgrading to 12-in within that development. >> No, no. So, um we are upgrading within the 114 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:39.360 development to 12 in. They only need 8 in to serve those homes. The 12 in is of benefit to the community to help with transmission of water from the water plant to the west. >> Okay. Then, and then Okay. So then, however, you're also saying on this page 115 00:31:39.360 --> 00:31:55.919 that we need this whole trunk line. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, we need to talk about this. >> We're jumping around. Why isn't it the same size line? Like, why do we have yellow and then blue and then red? What? Like, >> I cannot explain. >> Yeah. And just just a point of clarity, 116 00:31:55.919 --> 00:32:12.159 not all the lines in that development will be 12 in. It'll just be certain areas that we determine that need to have higher. >> And this is very early. Uh we're just estimating right now. We're trying to get a handle on costs of where we think we might be for costs, but the design is still evolving. So, okay, the map I showed is very early. 117 00:32:12.159 --> 00:32:27.760 >> Um so, this is the south pipeline improvements that we're recommending and and this was part of the kind of the master planning effort and we've kind of known about these upsizing requirements. Uh but I guess to your question, there's the yellow line which is the 20-in coming from the water plant, crosses 118 00:32:27.760 --> 00:32:42.640 Highway 7, and then runs on the south side. uh and then it decreases to a 16 inch which is the blue that decreases because you can see that little uh leg there that connects to the north. So we're we're sending some water uh that 119 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:58.240 direction. So we don't need the full 20 in all the way because we're uh removing some of the water from that that over overall capacity to the north. >> But we're going to need more west when the next development comes in. 120 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:13.840 >> Yes. But be but but that's because if you look on the very far left of the map where it connects to that red piece, if we don't increase it, you or if you if you would um only put an 8 in through that community, you'd essentially be funneled through that 12 in on Highway 121 00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:29.039 7. So you get >> wondering why it's not yellow the whole way. >> Yeah, that's that's >> She wants to put 20 inch in the whole way. Be >> be again because >> don't want to I want to know why. It really has to do with velocities. When when our when our modeling team runs the model, they look at the 122 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:44.960 velocity of of water moving through the pipe and they try to keep velocity within a certain range. >> Um so because we're we're sending water some of the water through kind of the the um >> to the north >> to the north >> that's decreasing the velocity which allows us to reduce the size of that 123 00:33:44.960 --> 00:34:00.720 pipe and and reduce it down to the the 16 inch or the blue size. So uh again we're trying to be efficient with sizing. This is the benefit of having a detailed model is rather than running 20 inch the whole way. We can say we're within a velocity that it's it's not as beneficial. >> But as we add more properties, won't we 124 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:16.560 need the velocity, you know, 2 miles down the road more? >> I guess that's >> you will, but but you're you're um you're connecting into that the Acrai development. >> So, um the additional piping there helps with with that transmission. you're 125 00:34:16.560 --> 00:34:32.399 there would be no benefit to continue that 20 in. >> Even if even if let's just say every property along Highway 7 on the northern part were to develop. You're saying we still wouldn't need a 20-in pipe. >> I was asking. 126 00:34:32.399 --> 00:34:49.040 >> Yeah. No, that's my question, too. Like >> from our modeling team, they don't see the need. >> Okay. Because um here's how I see it. I mean, this is just I I'm not an engineer, so I'm not trying to engineer this for you, but um when when this 12-in pipe was put in all the way down 127 00:34:49.040 --> 00:35:03.920 to um Hunress Crest, it was put in there because Hunress Crest was being developed. St. Bonnie didn't want to sell us their water, so we had to bring water to them. And it was designed 12 in. We said, "Okay, that's going to be enough for who knows how long." Had we 128 00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:18.640 put in a 20-in at that point or maybe a 16in, we'd be okay today. So what I'm asking is if we look at future let's say long-term 30 40 years or 30 years from now okay we look at long-term um 129 00:35:18.640 --> 00:35:35.920 development is that 16-in blue line going to be sufficient enough or would it be cost would it be better to add a little bit more now so that we're not redoing it in 20 years >> we can definitely look at that I I I don't have an answer right now based on 130 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:50.800 the master planning effort that we did when we looked at the proposed development, you know, into the future. >> It seemed that this would be acceptable. But I think that's why we're coming to you today cuz we're we're proposing that we start looking and designing these 131 00:35:50.800 --> 00:36:07.839 pieces because especially this component we know we will need >> to start providing water to the west. So I think it it's it's it's worth kind of revisiting that blue line to see 20 in and what is the cost? >> Pricing really isn't that much more according to this. It's like 20 like put 132 00:36:07.839 --> 00:36:23.280 the bigger pipe in and save a lot of money. >> Again, sometimes we overengineer things and try to pick at pennies to save a few dollars, but overall I may be beneficial just to put a 20 in. But um we can definitely put that on the list of things to look at. >> I think we should. >> And Aaron, correct me if I'm wrong, on 133 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:39.680 the north side, we never consider we considered some development there, but not everything. No, it >> if you're thinking that you're looking at a possibility of all of that being developed, yeah, then we should probably revisit this to look at that. But right now, we were only looking at a smaller 134 00:36:39.680 --> 00:36:54.800 area of that being developed, not everything. So, everybody selling, you know, basically from Oak, you know, from Oak Road all or basically from the roundabout on the north side. We were not planning on everybody selling off and developing. So, 135 00:36:54.800 --> 00:37:11.599 >> and I plan to come back on the 20th. >> Okay. Okay, I can pro provide a little bit more information on the assumptions that we've kind of used in sizing these be helpful to you to make sure >> and we can look at the properties that would be potentially that might develop within the next 20 years. Maybe the 136 00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:26.240 equestrian development isn't going to, you know, but there's other properties that might and on the south too, >> right? >> So, um, okay. Now, I have I think we we're going to go back to this map because I think that's 137 00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:43.359 why Paul Robinson and and your um >> Emily are here. So, and I was talking to staff about this earlier. So, in the past, every time we have a development come in, they want to develop, we said, great, that's fine, but you need to 138 00:37:43.359 --> 00:37:59.280 bring water to your development. So, this to me is a little bit of a difference from what we've been doing. So, and I use the example when I talked to staff today and you can jump in, David. When when um Red Oak was developed, uh they had to bring the 139 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:15.440 water line from 150 uh down 151 from 110 over to 19 up to their development. So, a question, and Paul isn't going to like this question, but the question is, why wouldn't we require this development to 140 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:29.760 do the same? I I don't I'm not as familiar with the the past precedent. So, okay. I guess based on my understanding of of this transmission and and kind of what we're showing here is this is really treated 141 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:46.160 more as uh trunk infrastructure to help develop the entire western portion of of the city uh as development continues, you know, west. Okay. So, we would need this to help all of that development to 142 00:38:46.160 --> 00:39:01.359 uh to say that the karate property should pay for this entire chunk um in in its entirety. Uh basically anyone else that would develop down the road that would benefit from this would be getting this 143 00:39:01.359 --> 00:39:16.960 infrastructure for free. So, so we we we typically treat the city charges trunk infrastructure fees to pay for things like this that help more than just a single developer. They help transmit water across the community. Uh so it 144 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:32.880 falls into a little bit different bucket than individual supply to just a single development. >> The only Yeah. And >> but if you I mean you look at the piping, it's just for this property. I mean the this line's already there. The highway 7 line is already there, 145 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:47.839 >> right? And they can hook into that. >> Yeah. >> So they don't need this pipe, >> right? >> Right. Well, no, they need pipes though. So like again, back to >> need this one. >> They don't they don't need the yellow blue one. >> Well, no, that one I know that one that one's ours. I get that. >> So if you think about um think about a 146 00:39:47.839 --> 00:40:03.599 water balloon and if we if we want to uh if we squeeze on a water balloon in one direction to push, you know, to expand it one direction, you have to put more pressure on one side. In order for us to move water from the east side of the community to the west, if we don't put this pipeline in, you'll see likely 20 147 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:20.880 psi pressure increases for the the homes around the water plant. Uh which is probably more than what we would want. So, um by putting this in, it helps decrease that pressure increase and basically helps with transmission of water from the east side of the 148 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:37.280 community to the west. It's not necessarily intended just for the karate property. It really helps everyone to the west of this uh infrastructure. >> Is there any benefit to years ago? I know there was a big thing about maybe I'm not thinking right. Putting pressure reducers on certain areas or homes 149 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:54.480 around certain areas. Would that be cheaper than putting it? I don't I'm just trying to conceptualize a little bit is if you're saying one of the main reasons is there's going to be pressure around the plant. Well, know we used to talk about pressure reducers. I know it's >> Well, I think we also have a pressure issue for some of the um areas in 150 00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:11.200 Woodland Cove. >> Yeah. Uh >> I mean, they don't have enough pressure, >> especially to the east of the water plant. There's some low areas that have quite high pressure. So, we want to minimize additional increases. They they will likely see some increase, and we could look at select PRVs, but it's not 151 00:41:11.200 --> 00:41:28.800 something we want to treat as maybe a u a main alternative. I think it's a it's a secondary alternative in areas where we just can't uh manage. >> You would open yourself up with some liability too if you start increasing pressures beyond that. You know, say 70 152 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:46.000 is what normal if you're pushing 8090 and you're putting PRVS in houses as we have now. You will I would think you'd probably open yourself up to a little bit of liability. You know, knowing that that you're doing that. I mean, we you try to avoid, you know, that high pressure zone as much as possible. lower 153 00:41:46.000 --> 00:42:01.680 areas that are being served, you know, are going to be susceptible to it, but you don't really want to increase areas that you wouldn't normally have to. And we do have that in, you know, this North Saunders because of the topographical 154 00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:17.920 lay of the land as compared to what their elevation is compared to what it is. That's why Saunders, North Saunders end up having to have the pressure, you know, reducers in there. Same with Turtle. Some of that area has that, too. But you don't you want to try to eliminate that as much as possible. You want to keep a steady pressure. 155 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:32.000 >> And there are homes east of the water plant that are over 100 or would be over 100 PSI if we don't uh install this infrastructure. >> Okay. So with the you're talking about the yellow blue line if you don't install that. Um okay. Could you All 156 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:46.960 right. Um so then the next question is Paul. When do you how would this um tie into their development and do they need that that line for their development? 157 00:42:46.960 --> 00:43:03.920 >> Um they they do not need this line to access water. Um >> and what would happen to the pressure either pro or con >> if we don't put this >> I'm I'm saying well I'm trying to figure 158 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:20.160 out timing. >> Sure. you know because if and then do the if they don't need this line can we put this in um I'm trying to think of funding so two so I'm thinking funding and timing and all of this together how 159 00:43:20.160 --> 00:43:35.839 can that work >> so on the fifth bullet down so if we don't do this um we so currently the plant is designed to treat 2,100 gallons per minute and we have the pumping capacity of 2,800 gallons a to allow us 160 00:43:35.839 --> 00:43:51.200 to use that clear well as a little bit of a buffer. >> If we don't put this these lines in and we want to maintain the pressures that we currently have, >> we're limited in pumping capacity at the water plant to 1,500 gallons a minute. So, we we will just we will reduce how 161 00:43:51.200 --> 00:44:06.160 much water we can push out. >> Again, it's the water balloon factors. We just can't push as hard. If the harder we push, the more pressure increase we will feel. So, if we don't put these lines in, we will be limited to an additional 1500 gallons per minute of water that we can push out of that 162 00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:22.720 water plant. Um, which is still quite a bit of additional capacity. >> I was just going to say that's more um capacity than we currently have. Plus, it would probably take us further down the road. In other words, >> so um uh so we need to we need to absolutely balance that of the 163 00:44:22.720 --> 00:44:38.800 criticality of we do think this is a a necessary long-term improvement that a city should invest in for transmission and efficiency, >> but we still will get about 1500 gallons a minute according to the model. Uh that will uh with minimal pressure increase. 164 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:53.760 Um if you start going above that, you'll start to see significant pressure increases. So then again timing wise for the karate property then >> you do not need this to serve the property. >> And then we just pump 1500 gallons a 165 00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:09.760 minute. Okay. At what point at are the 1500 gallons not going to be sufficient? >> That all depends on long-term demand. So I I don't know an exact date. I'd have to go back and look at our projections. Um but I can definitely come back with that uh for next visit. And the reason 166 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:25.440 I'm asking is because obviously with these um developments they're coming in, we're going to get trunk fees and a connection fees and so on. So I'm just wondering if we can hold off a year or two or you know how how many years. I 167 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:40.319 don't want to push it too far off, but in the meantime, we can be collecting these fees and then once we have maybe not enough, but more than what we currently have. Currently we have zero dollars for this. So, um, then we could be collecting those trunk fees and those 168 00:45:40.319 --> 00:45:56.880 connection fees and then at some point using that fund to do this project. >> Yep. I I understand that the timing consideration. Um, I don't have a date now. I can definitely come back with some additional thoughts. Um, the market is good right now for underground 169 00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:11.760 construction. >> Okay. >> Um, >> you know, oil prices having gone up doesn't help, but >> right, >> contractors are still very hungry and bidding projects well. So, we want to take some of that into consideration that, you know, capitalizing on a on a good environment crap, but it's still 170 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:26.720 going to be an expensive project either way. So, um, but I can definitely talk to our team and try to nail down a little bit better time frame. Um, you know, the one thing that the one of the reasons we did invest in the larger clear well and pumping was to try to delay that additional storage, right? 171 00:46:26.720 --> 00:46:43.440 >> So, and I believe that had we not done that, we would have wanted to invest in that additional storage in around 2030. So, um >> I think that's where we're going to start to run into conflicts where we can't push out the water that we need to 172 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:59.280 accomplish the storage equivalency um by 2030. Um okay. >> And it takes you know a year to not year but some time to design some time to construct. So uh I do have a timeline at the end of this so we can kind of put that into perspective of the time it may 173 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:16.079 take to uh to execute. >> Right. And so the timing might be an issue, might be the question, because then maybe we need to talk with the developer to see if they're interested in working out some kind of a special 174 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:33.520 deal. Um, no, seriously, because I know you're Paul, you're thinking about doing what, five or six phases? How many phases? >> We're still working that out. I mean, I think part of this is just that's why we're in work session, but here the pieces. I think we're we're going to work with you to try to figure out what 175 00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:48.640 works best for both of us. Okay. >> I do see that the watering the way that they're showing it really it's a win-win for the city. This is pretty common or typically across the twin cities when it goes from EA to 12 cuz most neighborhoods don't need that. You know, it's like putting Highway 7 through a neighborhood and then expecting the 176 00:47:48.640 --> 00:48:03.440 neighborhood to pay for Highway 7. They don't do that. But so it just kind of depends. I think Aaron, you're going to figure out when the timing is cuz you're you're going to the benefit to you is you're going to want us to put that 12 in in because it's a benefit for you because >> and that I'm not questioning. Yeah. 177 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:19.839 >> Yeah. That I think. >> Yeah. >> But I'm I'm wondering in terms of trunk fees if there is something we can if there's some mutual benefit for both of us. Maybe you prepay your trunk fees or whatever rather than paying them in phases. I'm just throwing it out as an 178 00:48:19.839 --> 00:48:36.559 idea. I think when we figure out some of the totality of what needs to happen, we can start to put numbers to it and see what works. I mean, because we were expecting to get water and not pay more than what we were planning. So, this would throw our perform off quite a bit if we had all of a large trunk line 179 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:51.359 because we knew there was water. That was part of our initial figuring this thing out. wires. We were basically closed and we knew we were going to have to extend the lift station to get to >> and our modeling team has looked at the EAW for the development and there wasn't 180 00:48:51.359 --> 00:49:08.319 any major concerns as far as >> um >> I think one of the questions that was asked is how much water can we take in the next year or two years and you know what's theable amount and our modeling team didn't have any major concerns with like speed of water and when they would 181 00:49:08.319 --> 00:49:27.599 need it o other than just overall capacity But there's there's there's capacity on the 12 in to serve them. It's just the transmission of it kind of across the community is bigger issue. >> So again, Paul just 182 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:44.640 >> um so just when will you know how many phases and do you have when will you have some kind of timeline? Do you have any idea? I mean, we're just getting through the EAW process. We're going to be starting to put a concept plan together. Um, and so I I would say just 183 00:49:44.640 --> 00:50:00.319 knowing how big this is and where we're headed, I would say it's probably three or four phases or two or three phases, >> you know? And we're really just kind of debating what makes sense, right? What's the first phase? Are we going to bring in all the products in the first phase or not? And and again, kind of it sort 184 00:50:00.319 --> 00:50:16.559 of there's a little chicken and egg here with well, is the water going to be there? You know, the water going to be here? Are we jacking across the highway or you know are we putting in a roundabout and then we bringing the water across when the roundabout goes in you know so there's a lot of moving parts that we're all trying all together 185 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:32.319 trying to figure out >> right okay I just I just want to make >> isn't to leave the city hanging at any point >> no I'm not and I know that I'm not saying that I'm just trying to figure out what's mutually beneficial and and that's I think the key here how can we 186 00:50:32.319 --> 00:50:47.599 and when do we need to do this this yellow blue line. Um that that's I think the biggest the up upcharge or the upgrading or upsizing of the um ones in the development. I think that's 187 00:50:47.599 --> 00:51:02.480 that's not the biggest issue. That's you know what is it a couple hundred,000 I mean >> to 600,000 negotiated you know connection >> and we'll negotiate that. No. Anyhow, so but the bigger issue is that two plus 188 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:18.800 million dollar um trunk line. So okay >> um and I I guess one other thing you know just we are trying to look at all these pipelines kind of holistically that uh you know they're unit price projects. The more you do there's some 189 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:35.200 economy. So we we wanted to lay it all out say these are the main ones we're recommending. timing of it is is is uh obviously up to the city, but there's benefit sometimes of of bidding larger projects uh when you know you need to execute this amount of work just to get the economy of scale. So, I just wanted 190 00:51:35.200 --> 00:51:52.079 to make that note. Um on the north side, um we all have also recommended a uh a 16inch line down Highway 110. Um so that again was in the master plan originally that we we knew we would want this. to 191 00:51:52.079 --> 00:52:07.040 provide some additional looping in the community and water supply to to um to kind that area. Um so as in addition to the the 16inch down 110, we uh we would extend the 12 in uh just to the west 192 00:52:07.040 --> 00:52:24.640 there uh on 110 as well, west of um Holstead. Um and then and then south on I can get the numbers. Sorry, Highland. Uh so a 12 inch south on Highland as well. Um so the benefits 193 00:52:24.640 --> 00:52:40.960 of of this northern pipeline improvements project it supports that future tower. >> Go back to the um >> the map that's different than this. >> Looks like zoomed out a bit I think. >> So yeah the one in your sorry the one in 194 00:52:40.960 --> 00:53:04.640 the packet um doesn't have the uh 8 inch extension. Looks like that was omitted from there. Um, from Highland 292. Come again. >> Oh, here. There. Okay. All right. And these are all 195 00:53:04.640 --> 00:53:20.079 in the future. I mean, obviously, we can't do all of this now. And and the here's here's the thing we have to be careful of, okay? Because um what happened years ago is the city had to run sewer. This, you 196 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:35.680 know, way back when, even before I was here, which is a long, long time ago. Anyhow, um way back when they had to put sewer in. And so they put sewer in and then some areas that didn't get sewer, they said, "Well, the sewer lines are 197 00:53:35.680 --> 00:53:51.119 here and you can eventually hook up, so we're going to assess you." Well, guess what? 30 years later, 40 more than 40 years later, those areas still can't hook up to that sewer when they're not in the areas aren't being developed. So, 198 00:53:51.119 --> 00:54:08.559 I want to be very very careful about extending all these water lines in hopes that in the future the these areas are going to develop because we're going to be spending a lot of money now and 40, 50 years from now, we're going to have to spend more money to redo them, you 199 00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:24.800 know. So, I we need to be careful and I understand about the looping issues, but there's only so much we can do right now. >> One thing to one thing to look at too is not doing this right away, but at least have it on the books so that when developers are looking at these 200 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:42.559 properties that, you know, they can we can say, "Yes, look, we do have a plan in place. This is what we're looking at, you know, and you know, not so much getting it done right now, but at least have the plan in place to have it that we're ready to go." So that say the the property up here sign property goals two 201 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:57.440 years from now we can say look we have this plan in place this is what we're looking at you know and it's there. So I mean it's it's not like an immediate need but we should have you know something ready to go formulated for a plan in place for all this stuff. So not 202 00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:13.760 just some maps you know lines on a map but actually do it and have a plan in place to say this is what this is going to be. This is where we're going to go with it. have some plans, you know, rough plans drawn up, but it's ready to go. >> Yeah, there's definitely a balancing act of you um if you don't have accessible 203 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:29.440 water in these areas and they do decide to develop, you may miss the opportunity to connect those homes as well. So, and and we want to connect homes to the water system to help pay for the water system that we've uh invested in. So I think there's a balancing act of I agree 204 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:46.000 we don't want to put pipeline there too early and then it sits for 25 years and we end up having to replace it before we even use it. Um but if we don't have it there it makes it harder for anyone to actually connect to it. So uh and I and to my earlier point as well um there is 205 00:55:46.000 --> 00:56:02.319 some benefit of economy of scale and if we're going to invest in some pipeline work in the south is there a benefit of bidding this portion with it as a bid alternate just to see what the cost is and we can always not award it or at least have a better understanding of 206 00:56:02.319 --> 00:56:19.200 that cost uh for future investment or if it is if it does come in reasonable we bid it. Uh but that's really a city decision uh to decide you know how urgent you think uh water supply in that area uh would be. Um again benefits of 207 00:56:19.200 --> 00:56:34.640 that northern portion. It does uh support that future tower site to the north um up by I think it was Lake Sullivan. Um it supports uh kind of looping to minimize single point of 208 00:56:34.640 --> 00:56:50.559 failure. So, you do have a single 12-in line that runs to the north kind of along the lakes there that if that would fail, it would cut off quite a bit uh portion of uh users. Uh it provides city water to city hall. I know we don't have city water in this location. Um and it 209 00:56:50.559 --> 00:57:11.280 again provides uh water to potential developments to the north and west of St. Bonafacious. Um again, the number is quite large, but I'm just putting that out there. That's our early estimates based on what we could uh quickly um pull together. and some minor um kind of portions 210 00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:26.960 kind of connected to that northern pipeline segment. Uh there's a Hallside pipeline improvements that would go just to the east that really just helps with some of the looping in in that corner to minimize the risk uh to the uh the homes 211 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:41.760 to the north that there's a single pipe that kind of runs up that road that if that does fail, we do lose quite a few homes. Uh and and I will fight for this one. This one is a must because we ended up with a curb stop failure in um 212 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:59.760 Pinnacle Way. And the only way to fix it is to shut the water off the Pinnacle Way, which shuts everything off to North Saunders. And we do not want to open the interconnects up with Mount again because that was nothing but a mess. Oh, I will push for this one that this 213 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:16.640 is a must in the near future to get this done because I mean it's not a blot. It's not everybody but it is very beneficial for homeowners in the in North and South Saunders if something was to go wrong in the in the other development that they can continue to have water. 214 00:58:16.640 --> 00:58:32.559 >> Again, here's kind of our our rough estimate uh just looking at it at this point. >> 311 for that that >> but it's it's not in the millions like the other ones. So, this one's a little bit easier to swallow, but um that's our initial estimate. >> Why is that different than the 187? 215 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:48.880 >> Yeah, I was I was just going to look at that. I goes, "Wait, that that number isn't what we had in our packet." We had 187 in our packet. >> I don't know. >> Yeah. Was it 187? >> It was It is 187 in the packet. So, >> so I'm sorry. You're going to have to 216 00:58:48.880 --> 00:59:05.280 build it for 187. >> Well, correct me if I'm wrong here. What they're see what they're seeing here was this not developed by Jake last year. >> They may have that may have been old cost >> and I was wondering why some of the 12 in is $100 and some of the 12 in is $175. >> That may have been old information as we 217 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:21.440 again go back into this review >> of current bid estimates. This is now >> okay. Well, we just >> not better but >> yeah. Wait, are the 2.7 and the 3 point is that going to go up by 1.75% or >> it depends on what the 218 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:36.240 >> No, cuz like >> I have in my PowerPoint are the current >> current. Okay. >> So, I guess to that point >> some of the 12 in didn't get updated. That's why it's wrong. It's 100 instead of 175. >> Okay. >> So, and this is just me providing kind 219 00:59:36.240 --> 00:59:50.799 of a brief cost estimate on everything. So, we've got the water plant cost. I understand it's small. uh the you know just total of some of the professional services for mostly the water plant work and then the other projects that we are tracking um and I added these pipeline 220 00:59:50.799 --> 01:00:07.280 projects to that blue chunk just so we can see kind of total investment in water infrastructure recently again the pipeline projects are very kind of time dependent they're not urgent right now but we do need to plan for them in the future um 221 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:25.200 >> so before you finish here another question and I I kind of had the same one Kathleen pointed out go back to um >> way >> Pinnacle Way one um why why stop it right there is that are you then saying the developer for let's say H Hallstead 222 01:00:25.200 --> 01:00:41.040 and or um any other parcels >> why would have to bring that in >> why would it replace part of the 10in and make it the 12 in on 110 farther >> or would that be the developer's um cost. 223 01:00:41.040 --> 01:00:58.160 >> So, so you're you're asking why so we're >> this is just a looping connection. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But so where it like where the 10-in connects to Cardinal Cove Drive, why wouldn't we get rid of that 10- in and make it just 12 inch farther to the next connection point, I guess. Why 224 01:00:58.160 --> 01:01:15.680 would we keep that pink line and not replace? >> We could do that. Yeah, you could go all the way to >> Again, these are really just kind of cartoon ideas. We would absolutely talk about that further as we get into design. >> Okay. All right. Maybe that's why it's 225 01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:30.720 311 versus 187. >> Unfortunately, not. >> Okay. >> And then quickly timeline. So I guess again we're we're putting all these out here as kind of more of a transparent holistic like these things will need to happen eventually. Uh it's up to the 226 01:01:30.720 --> 01:01:46.880 city to decide timing. The thought was if we wanted to proceed with these, you could design this year, bid next year, and then you'd have a couple years to build it. You talked about, and we can come back with some more detailed recommendations as far as the need and the demand and how that might uh interact. But, you know, if you spent 227 01:01:46.880 --> 01:02:03.599 two summers building these pipelines, uh the plant is intended to be done. uh substantial complete by J end of January of 2028 and final completion by um end of June or sorry 1 of July 2028. So you'd be finishing up these pipelines 228 01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:19.680 kind of the same construction season. Um and you >> and then what so then Paul what's your timeline in terms of starting and needing I mean you would have water right you would because you would tie into the existing 12 in. >> Yeah depending on again that's the 229 01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:35.839 basement. >> Okay. So, so you're not under a timeline. >> I mean, we're hoping to get in construction next summer. >> Okay. So, >> exactly how that first phase looks. We don't know yet. And that's something I mean, MI is obviously they're 80% of the 230 01:02:35.839 --> 01:02:52.240 neighborhood. You know, we're Rachel is a small portion. And so, I think they're a little bit more driving the bus on exactly what the first phase will look like. >> We we're actually in the middle of discussing now right now and trying to figure it out. >> Okay. But that previous discussion, I mean, I guess this would be my 231 01:02:52.240 --> 01:03:08.240 suggestion and take it with however you do, but I we're already adding 20 24 million in the next two years to do these. I think to the mayor's point, you could easily do this in 2930 to I mean, some point there's a tipping point for our residents. There just is. I mean, that's what I mean. You guys are 232 01:03:08.240 --> 01:03:23.440 residents. >> So, I mean, I guess I don't know why we'd even talk about doing these in the next two years. I mean you could design them maybe in 28 and do them in 2930 but let's at least get the 20 some million we've already committed to >> I know that's my concern and who knows 233 01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:40.640 what what the market is going to do. I mean I I'm assuming am I and Rachel knows a lot more in terms of what the market is doing as hopefully could you have a crystal ball I'm assuming um but if these homes don't come online then >> 1500 I think we're already good with and 234 01:03:40.640 --> 01:03:58.160 I don't know how many days we're pumping 1500 gallons per minutes I think it's one or two or three and I don't know Gary would know but it's not all year I mean so it's >> well let's we we'll have more discussions on this but I I'm really reluctant to spend another $34 million. 235 01:03:58.160 --> 01:04:14.400 >> If we if we absolutely need it, then we have to figure out how it's going to be done. But if we don't absolutely need it, maybe maybe we look at the Cardinal Cove one or the County Road 110 one like maybe that needs to be our first one and 236 01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:30.880 maybe that's in 2029 or something after we have a little more funding in our bank account. >> I'd be fine with the 2300,000 one. That's fine. with this 358 million or whatever these other ones are. I mean, at some point we got to be reasonable, I 237 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:47.200 guess, or >> the breaking point. >> Well, and if I may, so what we're trying to do is try to be proactive with some of these conversations so we're not having them a year after we should have had them, right? So, we're trying to get this in front of city council. The highest priority one for the whole system and 238 01:04:47.200 --> 01:05:01.760 which was talked about in conjunction with the water treatment plant is this the the South Highway 7. Um, so >> according to Gary, it's the car. It's the one >> that's Gary's cuz he had a >> bad experience. >> Bad experience there, which that one should have been done a while ago. I 239 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:17.599 mean, I think, but um, >> so we want to be try to be proactive with this because we don't want to be the bottleneck and the limiting factor for, you know, potential development or, you know, miss a price point that, you know, we have a we have, I think, probably favorable bidding conditions 240 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:32.960 for pipe work right now. Interest rates are okay. Um, so we we you know, I think in hindsight, everybody wishes they probably would have done a lot of this stuff back when interest rates were near zero and really, you know, um, hungry 241 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:48.079 contractors. But, you know, so we want to make sure that we're talking about this stuff well in advance um, of when we actually need it, right? >> Just so we're not, you know, forced to do a project at a higher cost. It's favorable times right now. So, um, what 242 01:05:48.079 --> 01:06:04.160 we're looking at is, um, if there is an appetite, I'm not really I I'm unsure right now about what we what we want to do, um, as a group, but if there is an appetite, we would look at doing something, um, possibly at the next meeting to talk. If there's more 243 01:06:04.160 --> 01:06:20.400 questions, let me know, um, if you have more questions. Um, and I'm not sure if if we should meet at the next meeting about this or or not or what what what are the thoughts? >> To wait and find out if we get bonding money. >> Will that change? 244 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:37.599 >> Well, I mean, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if we get a couple million, that would offset some of the costs that we could put towards this. >> I mean, that that would be the only reason I would want to go forward with spending another $3 million on a pipe between now and 2028. 245 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:55.440 I think that's reasonable. And again, um, looking at the needs and everything, we're not under pressure to do this. So, I think even if we waited till May to find out if we get bonding money, then we can have a do more of a deep dive. 246 01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:10.880 >> Yep. >> And I know everybody's aware of this. It's just, you know, the the numbers that we showed today, those are going to every year we wait, it's going to go up. So, you know, it's always going to increase. >> Um, So just kind of keep that in mind too. >> The bottom falls up then everything. >> Yeah. I mean there there's been abs and 247 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:28.480 flows >> I guess. >> I mean there's been like there's been like one game from that is not worth the damage in other areas. >> But I do have a question Paul in >> Thank you. Um do you have questions? 248 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:43.440 >> Yeah I think our only question would just be concern. And I think we did talk at that meeting um if there was concern about any issues with water pressure after a certain number of homes are built. >> Well, there were some spiking things. I mean like like it's how we fit as a puzzle piece into the whole system 249 01:07:43.440 --> 01:08:01.440 whether and it sounded like this these truck wings helped the entire system sort of operate in more of an equilibrium. Um, and so that I guess we just want to work through a little bit more and make sure that we're all on the same page >> because by the time you get um, homes 250 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:16.560 online, I mean, we're probably talking 28 28 29, I mean, you're going to get some, right? But if you get, let's say, 40 more homes or in 28, then another 40, whatever it is. Um, I think we have 251 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:32.799 enough time to figure out that trunk line and the cost and all of that, even if we wait until May to find out if we get any bonding money. So, um, yeah, maybe that's the route we should go figure out, um, maybe find out if we get 252 01:08:32.799 --> 01:08:50.159 bonding money and then if if it's May or maybe it's first meeting in June, we come back with some more details and answered questions >> and we'll explore the timing. >> Yeah. reality a little bit further to make sure we're not being overly optimistic >> and maybe by that time you might have 253 01:08:50.159 --> 01:09:06.560 your more information too. >> So I mean we're not trying to hold you up. >> So we're still working through with a lot of >> and I know there's a sewer issue too that we're going to have to discuss at some point. So okay lot of 254 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:22.400 >> not really an issue it's just it's solved with >> money. It's solved with money. So the the pipe on seven and then they're going to tear up seven and do whatever. Where is our pipe in relation to when they fix Highway 7 and you know make it not a pot hole filled road. 255 01:09:22.400 --> 01:09:38.719 >> Right now they're not going to tear it up. It's just a mill and overlay. Yeah. And we're hoping um that they'll add some roundabouts. Um that's to be determined. >> So be any issue with the piping? >> Well, they would do directional drilling, wouldn't they? For the most 256 01:09:38.719 --> 01:09:53.679 part. >> Are you talking about the south line? Mhm. Yeah. >> My suggestion would be to stay out of the mind right away and we get an easement agreement with the three rivers cover park district there and run it down their property line on their side. So we're out of minds right away 257 01:09:53.679 --> 01:10:09.280 completely. >> That would be my suggestion. >> We've talked directional drill. >> Okay. >> Just to avoid as much surface disturbance as possible because we're in three rivers. So >> Okay. >> And we don't anticipate there'd be an issue with uh getting an easement from the park district. 258 01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:25.679 Well, that was a good luck. >> It all it all depends on their on on their mood. I mean, I don't think it would be that big of a um deal to get one from them there because it's close enough to the mind easement and they're never going to develop that anyways. Nothing will be done there. So, we're 259 01:10:25.679 --> 01:10:40.159 going to be 8 ft under the ground. I mean, I don't I don't see an issue with getting something from them. >> And they'll do directional boring. So, it >> all be directional boring. Yes. >> So, the trees above will be fine. That's what >> it's like swamp land that runs around 260 01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:56.800 Highway 7 there. It's on >> there be room to put it in. >> Yeah. >> All right. Lucky land. >> All right. I think >> questions. >> I think we're good. So, we'll take a quick I think for now we're good. Thank you. And we'll see you in 261 01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:13.280 >> June for sure for the groundbreaking which has already been broken. But all right. Um, with that, that concludes all the items on our um, agenda. Um, is there a motion to adjourn the work session? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Mr. Refkin. Is there a second? 262 01:11:13.280 --> 01:11:28.159 >> Second. >> Thank you, Brian. All those in favor signify with I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes and we come back for a regular meeting 15 minutes, right? Yeah. So if this is right, it looks like >> based on current capacity obviously Part: 2 1 00:00:04.640 --> 00:00:20.960 All right. So, welcome everyone. Uh, this is the, uh, regular city council meeting for Minatrista, April 6, 2026. Uh, first order, I'd like to everybody reminder, put your cell phones on airplane mode or silent. And then second, would you please join me for the 2 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:35.680 pledge of allegiance? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with 3 00:00:35.680 --> 00:00:54.000 liberty and justice for all. >> So again, welcome everyone here this evening as well as those watching on YouTube later on. I'm going to start with some introductions. I'm Lisa Whan. I am the mayor and to my left are council members. They need to get their 4 00:00:54.000 --> 00:01:10.000 names straight. So, council members, we have CL, we have Kathleen Revkin, Claudia Lacy, and Brian Govern. And then on the end over here, um, we have staff members Gary Peters, who is our public works director. And then we have Paula Bowman, who is our 5 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:27.360 assistant administrator. To my right, we have Jasper Krugal, our city administrator. Brian Grim is our finance director, David Ael, community development director, and then we have our chief of police, Craig Squires. With that, um, and then I think do we have anybody uh remote this evening? 6 00:01:27.360 --> 00:01:42.720 >> Uh, just uh city clerk Ann Meeroff and our city attorney. >> All right. So, welcome and welcome Sarah Sansalo with um who is our city attorney. And Ann Meerhoff is taking notes. She is our city clerk. With that, um is there a motion? Are there any 7 00:01:42.720 --> 00:02:00.079 changes to our agenda hearing? None. And is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? >> So moved. >> Thank you, Miss Revkin. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Miss Lacy. Any further questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I. >> All those opposed. Motion passes. We 8 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:15.280 don't have any special presentations this evening. We do have one individual here this evening that would like to address the council. Um, Mr. Tyson, if you could come to the podium, please just state your uh name and address for the record. You'll have um a few 9 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:31.680 minutes. We usually give you 3 minutes to address the council. We don't generally take action on any specific requests at this time, but staff could or council could direct staff to bring it back at a future meeting. So, welcome. >> Thank you very much. My name is Jim 10 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:48.000 Tyson, 1295 Elmwood Avenue. On March 2nd, 2026, the Lake Minnotonka Advocates sent to all of you an email regarding lake improvement districts or lids for short. I'm here tonight res representing this group. I have a copy of that email 11 00:02:48.000 --> 00:03:04.640 here for public record. I would encourage you to reference the original email as they were many hyperlinks to support the information provided. Any questions about lids? Everyone familiar seen it? >> Right. Yep. The lids were intended to maximize 12 00:03:04.640 --> 00:03:19.200 fundraising and the primary goal of maximing maximizing herbicide treatment. Purpose of this email was to inform all 14 cities on Lake Minnatonka regarding lake improvement districts and the DNR 13 00:03:19.200 --> 00:03:35.440 rules and city andor citizens risks. We have learned through the citizen petition process offers little clarity to these rules and risks. To date, we have stopped creation of lids in Forest Lake Orno and Harrison's Bay Mound 14 00:03:35.440 --> 00:03:51.519 through the campaign of informing residents and cities of the lids. I would like to reference just some of the highlights that were in that original email. There's too much content, but I hope you have had an opportunity to read. The 15 00:03:51.519 --> 00:04:06.720 petition process lacks transparency and informed consents. Liability shifts away from the state. to put it on the residents and then shifts ultimately to the city if the lid is disbanded. >> Chemical herbicides are the default. 16 00:04:06.720 --> 00:04:24.320 Some are classified as PAS habitat loss and unattended consequences. You recently appointed LMC de representative Jane Anderson. She was an original organizer of the Harrison's Bay Association and a strong supporter of 17 00:04:24.320 --> 00:04:41.199 the creation of LID in Harrison's Bay. As I stated earlier, we got that disbanded through the city where they did not authorize its formation. Our concerns is she will attempt to create a lid in Holstead's Bay and wipe out the vegetation as they did in Harrison's 18 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:55.840 Bay. >> Thank you. >> Tonight, I'd like to in addition to what I sent you previously, and I've sent all of this just today, these attachments, all of your emails, more science-based. So this really spoke to the lid and the 19 00:04:55.840 --> 00:05:13.280 structure and the rules DNR rules related. This is now more science-based. The DNR has a document on their website permits issued with a variance and it talks about mil foil and when do you want to go above and beyond the 15% 20 00:05:13.280 --> 00:05:29.360 latoral acres. If a lake is clarity as indicated by cache depth of 2 meters or less, which is the case of Holstead's Bay, it is an impaired body of water. As >> Yeah, we're we're we're aware of that as are a number of other bays. 21 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:45.520 >> Yes, exactly. There's five or six of them on Lake Minnotonka. I happen to live on Forest Lake, so I'm fully aware of So, >> what I'm pointing out here is the DNR has specific guidelines for managing impaired water, >> right? And what's happened over in Stubs Bay, even though they're impaired water, 22 00:05:45.520 --> 00:06:01.919 they have charged ahead with full bay treatments. And it's actually, if you read the document, it's detrimental. A lot of the organizers suggest that by managing the invasives and it allows the natives to come back and they said you can check it out with the University of 23 00:06:01.919 --> 00:06:18.479 Minnesota. I went to the um >> I'm going to give you one more minute. Yep. >> And but I have and then I'll make a comment. Okay, fair enough. Uh, so the University of Minnesota, the invasive species research department says there's 24 00:06:18.479 --> 00:06:35.840 an upcoming webinar. Current efforts to manage invasive plants and lakes uh rely on repeated herbicide treatments which are costly and rarely lead to long-term control and native plant recovery. Although everyone is telling us that that's exactly what happens. >> Right. So, here's the thing. We have not 25 00:06:35.840 --> 00:06:52.000 had any requests at this point um for a lid within our um jurisdiction if you will. And so we probably wouldn't we we're not going to take any action. I'm not asking that you >> correct. And so and then if a request 26 00:06:52.000 --> 00:07:08.800 were to come in, we would then have to discuss it amongst the entire council and obviously it would be an open public meeting. We would take pros and cons, take comments from both sides before any decision would be made. But this information is good to have in advance 27 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:26.319 um if that request were to come through. >> Yep. >> So, all right. Um and we have Yes, we saw your email. Um unfortunately, an email to each of us. We can't go and discuss it outside of a city council meeting. So um at some point like I said 28 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:42.720 if an application were to come that's when we would be discussing it um at the council level. So >> and I fully understand that process and my intent was >> for the cities to understand the lid structure because that's clearly what we found was not happening 29 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:57.520 >> right >> the petition process it does not share the information with those that are signing it. What happened in Forest Lake is 70% of the residents signed a petition in favor until a counter petition was created, 46% of those 30 00:07:57.520 --> 00:08:14.639 people that signed the counter petition to oppose it, >> right, >> had signed in favor of it. >> So, it's really about getting information out there is what we're attempting to do. >> Is your phone is your phone number on your letter? >> Um, no. On the sign-in sheet though, it is. >> It is. Yeah. Okay. 31 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:30.400 >> And it's really just trying to offer information because what we're finding is that it is very misleading or I don't know whether it's intentional, but it there's a lot of information that's lacking as it's gone through the process. So, we've seen it go through 32 00:08:30.400 --> 00:08:45.600 Mound. The city mayor said something in the meeting when it got struck down there. He said very interesting. He said, "We have a $60 million water filtration issue going on in Mound. We had seven people show up at chamber the night that we had this lid that they 33 00:08:45.600 --> 00:09:01.600 tried to enact in mound. It was packed and the polar opposite positions people took and mound and eventually struck it down. He said if it was quite interesting that >> right >> we have this $60 million water filtration project going on and nobody 34 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:17.440 shows up act for lit. >> Yeah, it's interesting. I know. All right. Well, thank you very much. really trying to share information and we sent it to all 14 cities around. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thanks for your time. >> Thanks for coming in. >> Thank you. 35 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:35.839 >> And I can leave all these documents with who just as >> Yeah, please do um hand them over to um our police chief there and that would be great. Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> We have um Thank you. >> Um we have Paul Lang >> to settle in. 36 00:09:35.839 --> 00:09:51.920 >> We like to move along quickly. Um, I came here last fall. Maybe some of you recognize me and I'll probably come here every few months. >> Okay, that's okay. Yes. >> Um, but we live over on Wood Edge Road, >> a little tiny road that's surrounded by 37 00:09:51.920 --> 00:10:07.360 >> tar, pavement, sidewalks, and we're the only road in the whole area that doesn't have tar on it. In that area? Yes. If we go out farther. >> And we're kind of just begging to try to get on the list. I saw the letter come 38 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:24.240 out from the city of Minatrista and I see all the equipment will be out there. They're going to be out taring and resurfacing and everything on West Edge and I'm thinking why couldn't they have just had the equipment? >> I think >> our road and just do it all at >> do it all at the same time. So I think 39 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:41.920 we you know we h asked our um engineer to give us some highle some idea as to what it would cost because I think we would have to share that with you um so that you would know what because there would be an assessment and that it can be fairly steep. I know that uh a lot of 40 00:10:41.920 --> 00:10:57.200 times when it goes from a gravel road to a patuminous surface um the obviously the value of your home goes up and so the assessments can be rather significant. I know the last time we did that um it was around $14,000 41 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:14.560 per and that was like 10 years ago. So, um just so you're aware of that. I don't know. Do we know where we're at? I know we talked about this before. >> Both that we wouldn't have an assessment. >> Oh, no. You would have an assessment. >> Yeah. And Well, >> yeah. >> And if I may, the actual policy for 42 00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:31.760 gravel to asphalt is 100% participation. So, it'd be different than the 14, you know. >> Well, we've never No, no, no. We've never done 100%. >> That's probably our policy. That's what it grab or deviated from that a little bit. Yeah, sure. Sure. >> I can't remember the the cost. I was 43 00:11:31.760 --> 00:11:48.560 just going to pull it up on our on our GIS just to see what if we have like if we have an estimate. I'd have to look it back up. >> I know that um Allison was going to put together some dollar amount. And obviously because it is such a small road or such a short stretch, we would 44 00:11:48.560 --> 00:12:05.600 probably want to kind of um put that together with another project in order because of course then you could save a little bit. But um I think it's it's what a half a mile if even that. >> Right. This this was on slated with the project right now. But when everything 45 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:21.600 got eliminated off cuz we were at was it 8.8 8 million and then you guys wanted to knock it down to a third of that. So, a lot of stuff got taken off and that was one of them that got taken off too. So, >> we were we were close though. We were kind of being >> You were on the cus. You were on those. 46 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:38.720 But here's the other thing, Gary. When or maybe Jasper, we have another probably not next year. Um but then so we kind of do a big project and we bond for it. Then we kind of wait a few years and then we do another big project or projects number multiple ones and bond 47 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:54.800 for those. I don't think we're going to be bonding for anything for another couple years. The this is just current um situation. Things can change. It's fluid, but I think the plan is to bond again in 29. Is that correct? 48 00:12:54.800 --> 00:13:08.800 >> Yes. >> Okay. And then you might No promises. I'm not I don't want to give you false hope, but possibly then we could look at doing that because it's going to be 49 00:13:08.800 --> 00:13:25.839 >> it it's just a shy of a million dollars, >> right? So, >> to to redo that road. I mean, that would be um similar to Hallstead where a complete redo. >> It would be a reconstruct, right? >> Reconstruct. And then at that time, you'd probably maybe want to I don't know if you want to consider there's 50 00:13:25.839 --> 00:13:41.440 water available there. Do we want to run water up at that point? I mean that's something to consider too in the future, but just the road itself is just shy of a million dollars to redo it. >> Yeah. So keep coming. You don't have to come every month, 51 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:58.480 >> but maybe every six months >> get assessed. Um if you do put a plan together and figure out what that assessment would be, would that be something that would be ahead of time? It might go out to everybody in the next three months. Here's what it might be or the next just so we know that. So the process was we really wouldn't know what 52 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:15.120 the actual assessment is until we get the bids back. So you so we would do the well we we would have a highlevel idea. >> Yeah. Right. >> And then what we usually do is a neighborhood meeting and we we tell people here's the project that we're thinking of doing and here's what your 53 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:31.600 assessment would potentially be most likely. And then the people can say oh yeah okay that's great. or sometimes they say, "No, we don't want to do this." Um, >> so, uh, does it have to be unanimous one way or the other? >> Well, 54 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:47.199 >> no. And the city could actually decide if the city says, "No, we're going to do this regardless of whether you want it or not, we could do it." >> Generally, if there's a vast majority that don't want it, we don't do it. >> They don't want to pay that assessment, whatever. 55 00:14:47.199 --> 00:15:04.000 >> Right. Yeah. But then you go to the bottom of the list. So, just so you know, >> right? And then that assessment, um, if I understand those, they can be put, they put like over a 20 year >> a 20-year period. Yes. Yeah. You don't have to pay it all at once. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, and that would all be 56 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:19.440 explained at that neighborhood meeting. Okay. >> And the neighborhood meeting would generally take place somewhere >> um spring fallish, well before the project would be bid and and and let So, >> well, >> okay. >> Thank you. 57 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:36.399 >> All right. And things are coming again. All right. >> Okay. >> All right. Um kind of keep that on our radar screen if you don't mind. >> Yeah. I mean, if um we'd want to add it to the CIP for a future year, we could we could look at doing that. I mean, 58 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:52.079 we're I just pulled up our web application for u and it's not even on there at all for any improvement. So, if we wanted to look at it, >> it hasn't been updated cuz we pulled we just pulled that off. So, we're trying to >> Yeah. Yeah. reschedu everything that was pulled off to >> right >> trying to make that work now. So, 59 00:15:52.079 --> 00:16:08.160 >> so it would be like a 29, >> right? Add it. And because if we're going to do another bond in 29, let's say, um, then at least it's on the radar screen and and we can look at it. Okay. All right. Um, so, um, next we have our 60 00:16:08.160 --> 00:16:25.759 consent agenda items. Are there any you wish to remove for discussion? >> All right. So, our consent agenda items consist of approve our work session meeting minutes from March 16th, 2026. Approve our city council regular meeting minutes from March 16th, 2026. Uh C is 61 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:42.480 approve a resolution for our approving claims. D is a resolution approving the setback variances at 7041 Holstead Drive. E is a resolution to approved our text amendment to a comprehensive plan. F is a resolution authorizing the 62 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:59.199 distribution of the EAW. And G is a resolution to award equipment CIP purchase for truck number two as a replacement. And then H is um also a CIP purchase. That would be truck number five also replace replacing truck number 63 00:16:59.199 --> 00:17:17.199 five. Any questions? Hearing none. Is there a motion to approve consent agenda item A through H? >> So move. >> Thank you, Miss Lacy. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Miss Refkin. Any further questions? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I >> I. All those opposed. Motion passes. So 64 00:17:17.199 --> 00:17:34.720 we had no public hearing or no business items. So we can And you are here for what? >> I would have been on time, but the fire department wouldn't let me through. >> This time we will make a one time exception. 65 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:50.880 >> I know. Um are you here under persons to be heard? >> Yes. Okay. Um, then can you give us your written name and address and then you can come to the podium and we'll give you three minutes. Okay. You can add it to this one. 66 00:17:50.880 --> 00:18:06.559 >> I do not. Oh, Lisa's got a pen. >> Okay. And yes, there has um 110 is closed uh for a while. They think, Chief, I think it should be open again in in a few more hours. >> Yeah, probably one and a half to two 67 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:22.400 hours. We're looking for sake, chief. All right. So, >> I go a long way home. >> Go a long way home. >> Yeah. Yeah, you do. But I think Hall Highland is open now. >> No, wasn't one coming. >> Well, Gary says it's supposed to be open. >> I want a card from you, Gary. 68 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:41.039 >> You're going through St. >> We'll have to go to the podium there and speak into that. >> Yep. >> That's Paul. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Three minutes, huh? Yes, you have three minutes. >> All right, I'll be quick. So, when I was 69 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:57.440 very young, took a family vacation to Breen Ridge, Colorado, and at a very young age on my own, I looked around and I thought, "This is really cool. This they had such a good sign ordinance that it just made the town look neat." And I don't think Minatrista needs to try to 70 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:12.960 be or look like Breenidge, but it's just something that stuck with me. And there are a lot of people in Minotrista who have decided to be entrepreneurs and I'm very happy for them and I wish them all the success in the world, but I think 71 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:30.559 it's unfortunate that they think being in business gives them the right to clutter the intersections with their signs. >> Okay. >> And I've done some research and I found cities and counties and a whole state that has ordinances or laws that impose fines. 72 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:46.559 And I wouldn't want to do it to be punitive, but just to demon just a lot of the signs are the same people every year. >> Mhm. >> The mulch people, the mosquito spray, the gutter cleaning in the windows, and they just keep putting them up. The intersection by my house just gets full. 73 00:19:46.559 --> 00:20:02.240 Um, and I'm sure often, well, I know times the the top of the sign gets separated and then the wire frame is there and either your co-workers or the county gets those things wrapped in the blades of their mower. They got to haul the mower back, put it up, take the deck 74 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:18.240 apart and fix it and it just looks bad, I think. So, I am very interested in encouraging the city to add fines. And the reason I think it would work is if you contact the people and say, "Hey, you know, you got two 75 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:35.360 weeks to get these down." >> We don't give them two weeks. We just take them down. >> I understand, but you have to pay. But they keep putting more up. >> Yeah. You take them down, they put you don't you only do it once or twice a year, I think. >> Well, we do it on a complaint basis because or or fire and we can also ask 76 00:20:35.360 --> 00:20:52.559 our police if if they're cruising around, pick them up if they see them. >> They don't. >> But they have Well, the the reason being is our police have a lot of other things they need to do that are far more important. >> So, let's let's encourage these people to stop by making it clear to them. It's 77 00:20:52.559 --> 00:21:10.080 I'm I'm con I'm very well I'm convinced that 90% of the time it's the repeat offenders. >> Sure. >> And once they know it 90% of the signs will stop. >> Yeah. And we can look at that. >> There may be an issue with if we can impose a fine. I don't know. 78 00:21:10.080 --> 00:21:26.000 >> That's why I looked into it. Other cities around the country have done it. >> Edmonton, Oklahoma has a $200 fine. >> Okay. Well, how about this? We will look into this and we will have staff bring something back to a a work session so we 79 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:42.799 can get all of the details that we would need. So, and I I know you're not the only one that thinks this. So, >> looks bad. >> Yeah. >> I think it would save the city, you know, there'd be a little bit of enforcement. These few offenders would find out and I think 90% of the problem go. >> All right. Thank you. 80 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:57.600 >> So, we'll add that to a future work session. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean we we do have a sign ordinance that >> um doesn't allow it. >> No penalty. >> There's no penalty. Um Sarah's listening. We we we likely can't do an administrative fine for this. 81 00:21:57.600 --> 00:22:12.960 >> Um well, we we've went through this a few times. >> Sarah can talk. They're not really there's no statutory um authority for us to have a fine. >> So then what's the point of an ordinance? >> Well, we can enforce our ordinance by 82 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:29.200 taking the sign, but we can't find them. I don't know, Sarah, if you want to weigh in on the sign ordinance and administrative fines. Um, and give a little update. It's >> fine. Can we call it something else? >> Well, how can you know Chris was just saying some other state has a $200 fine? 83 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:44.720 >> Might be a different It's a different state. >> It's a state thing. >> Mhm. >> So, I tell you what, this wasn't on our agenda. There might be some more information that would be helpful. So 84 00:22:44.720 --> 00:23:01.919 Sarah put something together either do um something in ourformational packet or else we could bring it back for a brief discussion at a future work session. But I do know the um and then we can also talk we can have the police weigh in um what they can do what they can't do 85 00:23:01.919 --> 00:23:18.799 maybe public works what they can do what they can't do. So let's just bring it back if that's okay. We I think we need more information. Sure. So, all right. We'll bring it back maybe sometime in June. I mean, I don't know what we have scheduled, but >> yeah, we we'll get some information out. 86 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:37.360 >> All right, sounds good. Um, I know we've had other complaints, too. Um, this isn't the first, so um, that concludes our business items. We'll move on to staff reports. Madame Mayor, members of city council, um, I don't really have much to update 87 00:23:37.360 --> 00:23:53.600 other than Trist the day is coming up. on May 13th, >> which is a Wednesday. >> Yep. >> So, it's >> So, hopefully hopefully the weather cooperates and we can It's a It's our first time trying it as a Wednesday, so we'll see. Everything's in order. The the police department and Amy over there have done a great job of organizing 88 00:23:53.600 --> 00:24:10.240 things. So, um that's happening. We're still continuing to um push and communicate with our legislators about our bonding request, and we'll keep doing that until the session ends. Um there might be a flurry of activity come maybe around May 10th, May 12th once we 89 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:25.919 get getting getting closer to the end of the session when the bonding bill starts getting maybe discussed if there is one. So um plugging away at that. Um trying to think I know we had a couple couple meetings um for for fire and u well I had a meeting with fire just to kind of 90 00:24:25.919 --> 00:24:43.200 talk about the future of our fire partnership meetings which we likely won't have a meeting until June. >> June. Yeah. So the I think the most recent one which was next week supposed to be next week has been cancelled. Again the hiccup has been um the um relief for the the 91 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:59.760 pension funds because they're different funds and so um you have to you have to by state statute have the same fund in order to merge. You know you can't have two different ones. So, we're I've even talked to um some of our state legislators to see if they can change 92 00:24:59.760 --> 00:25:17.120 the wording or change the law where it could be um two different ones together or that they would have some funding available in order to offset the cost of merging the two cuz there would be a cost. So, we're working on that too. Um 93 00:25:17.120 --> 00:25:34.640 and then I think Jasper, you're going with me on Thursday. Yeah, >> I have a chauffeur. Um, so Jasper and I are going to be down at the state capital. Um, Andrew Myers, our representative, asked if I could um testify to a committee regarding the Highway 7 um corridor. Mindot has been 94 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:51.440 has asked for some um additional funding for safety um things on um Highway 7 and we're going to go down saying we're all in favor of the I think it's 11 million that they're asking for, but we want it specifically earmarked for uh 95 00:25:51.440 --> 00:26:07.440 roundabouts and not the um raised um median um because that would really really styy and prohibit us from um development and or even current neighborhoods. So, we will make that very very clear that we're all in favor 96 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:23.840 of the additional dollars and they would be desperately needed for roundabouts which would actually help safety on on this corridor. So, that's kind of our our um thing that we're going to be saying. >> TV turned off. 97 00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:39.840 >> Oh. Um and then um the other thing I just want to point out um again just for general information, it's on our website. This year the open book um dates are there's multiple dates. So if you have an issue with the valuation of 98 00:26:39.840 --> 00:26:57.200 your property and you wish to talk to the assessor, there's um I don't know six or seven different dates that you can go to and you just look on the website. It'll tell you um where they are. It doesn't have to be in Minitrista. Um, so there might be one in 99 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:12.320 Robbinsdale on a Wednesday afternoon that you could go to or maybe there's a Thursday evening or something. So just look at the dates and the time and then you can go to any of those no matter what community you're in. You might want to call the assessor a little bit ahead 100 00:27:12.320 --> 00:27:26.559 of time to see if you need an appointment. I don't think you need an appointment, but you might want to just call and check on that. Um there's I attended the Northwest League and um let's see, we talked about a number of 101 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:42.559 things. Um uh Kevin Anderson was there. The other thing that um the chief and I signed on to a letter and it was regarding um funding for the sheriff Henipin County Sheriff's Department and 102 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:59.120 we both felt very strongly that they needed to continue to fund fully fully fund the sheriff's department. And so there was a very very narrow window time frame in which to sign on to this letter and so both of us felt it was very important and we signed on to it. I 103 00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:16.000 won't go into all the all the details here tonight, but um basically one of the commissioners felt that um the cities the sheriff's department shouldn't be patrolling the cities. Well, they don't really patrol the cities out here, but there's a lot of 104 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:32.720 other things that we partner with um the sheriff's department on. and that's DTF, that's the drug task force, there's the crime lab, there's um they come and help and support us when there's, you know, incidents that are big incidents out here. So, we really do need them and we 105 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:48.640 need them to be fully funded. So, we just expressed our concern about that. I don't think that they there will be any cuts or that I don't think anything will happen. Um, but we wanted to be sure to be on record about that. Uh, that's the only thing I can think of. I'll be 106 00:28:48.640 --> 00:29:04.960 attending the Northwest League this week and then the meeting downtown. And >> so for the Hampton County Sheriff cuts, when Kevin was here, he said they were doing cuts. So you think they won't do them now? >> No, I think that it'll be >> 50 positions. 107 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:20.640 >> Well, that's not the sheriff's department. That was something else. But >> um I think that they're going to be fully funded. the what the chatter was about um defunding or or seriously defunding it. And I think that was the 108 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:36.240 the issue. Um so they might have to make some cuts, but they're still going to offer the crime lab and the um the drug task force and and the other things that they've been uh funding. One of the issues that they've had is um getting 109 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:54.799 people um employees for their jails. Um, and that was the big thing last year. Uh, the big thing that ran them over over budget. So, I think they're they're in better shape this year now to be able to staff the jails with with staff. Um, 110 00:29:54.799 --> 00:30:09.120 last year they were so short that they had to send people to other facilities and uh contract with them. So, that's really what caused a a big problem. So hope we'll keep tabs on it and um we'll 111 00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:26.720 keep talking with them to make sure that because you know public safety and I I said this to um Kevin Anderson is uh please relay the message to the rest of the commissioners that public safety especially out here we value public safety and that's one of our number one 112 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:43.120 priorities and so um I think he heard that loud and clear and I think he's on board with that. Um, anything else you need to add to that, Chief? >> Nope. I think that covers it. Um, you know, especially 113 00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:58.559 Crime Lab is massive for us. If if >> they're very specially trained in forensics. If if Crime Lab went away, we'd be relying on the BCA. And if all of Hen County relied on the BCA, it would be detrimental to the entire state. So, um elements like crime lab, 114 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:16.720 water patrol, um and and you know that that that's just uh that's it it's needed. It's it's uh greatly needed. So, and we appreciate their partnership. >> And then um Kevin Anderson will be hosting a town hall meeting here in Minatrista at the Gail uh Woods 115 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:32.000 facilities on June 16th. And I will be there um as as one of the hosts, I guess. I guess I'm not sure how to say that, but I'll be there probably to introduce him. So, if you have questions or you would like to attend, please feel 116 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:48.399 free. Don't forget on May 5th, we have our state of the city address. I asked Jasper to get the invites out um get those printed as soon as possible. So, if you would like to send some to people you know, um, neighbors, friends, family 117 00:31:48.399 --> 00:32:04.399 within the city, um, let Paula know so that we can get those out. I'll be sending out some as well. Uh, so that is going to be held again at the Burl Oaks, which is now renamed to Crooked Water Golf Course, but we're just going to 118 00:32:04.399 --> 00:32:19.039 call it Burl Oaks for now because everybody knows that. And, um, that'll be on May 5th, I think, starting at 5:30. So 5:30 and we'll start the presentation around six o'clock. I hope you can all make it again. There'll be a 119 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:35.039 cash bar. So and orves. And then the other thing I just want to mention this briefly. So you saw the um newsletter. People do read it. I've gotten several calls um positive calls which is good. But one of the things I told staff is we 120 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:52.880 need to have a set size for the council profiles um because we don't want to have it seem like we are promoting one council member over the other one and I know it was rather large this last time and so we're just going to have a set 121 00:32:52.880 --> 00:33:09.039 size for the council profiles and everybody gets the same size and same amount >> and there was a lot of typos in it too. We'll we'll recheck the typos. So, but anyhow, just so you know, we we weren't um fair. >> It wasn't like I wanted to reclaim more 122 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:25.200 space. Yeah. Okay. >> Perfectly fine with my tiny little column when it was my turn. >> So, anyhow, so we we kind of discussed that, but anyhow, no, we want to give everybody equal equal chance, equal opportunity. So, um that's all I have. 123 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:42.480 Anything else? >> All right. So with that motion to adjurnn is in order. >> So moved. >> Thank you. And is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Govern. All those in favor signify with I. All those opposed. Motion passes. We are adjourned. 124 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.960 Time for the basketball.