--------- hold that down until more people arrive. Um, and then the other thing I'd like to do is I want to add um hopefully a brief discussion about possibly a moratorium on data center. So if that's okay, is there a motion to approve the agenda
with those changes? And again, I don't know exactly order that move. >> Okay. Thank you. There's a motion and a second and please people in favor signify I motion passes. All right. So first many people we'll start
with the um yeah running. Um so this is a regular uh work session for the city of city council July 20th to 26. Uh present this evening are myself. the mayor and next to me we
have council members Kathine Ra and govern and we're expecting Claudia Lacy anytime any minute now Peter Vicky is absent this evening we also have staff here with us we have Gary Peters who is our public works director we have Paula
Bowman who is our city um assistant administrator Jasmine Krugal our administrator Brian Graham finance director David Evil community development director and then um sitting in for chief squires. We have activity team. So with that, um we're going to
start out with our let's start with the water meter reading software update. >> Yes, madame mayor, members of city council. Uh this is essentially to let the group know about a change in some of the softwares that uh our staff use uh
to me read the water meters. Um the current system that we have uh let me pull this up real quick. I think it's called FCS. They uh there that is no longer going to be supported um by the end of the year. There's a little grace period to implement into 2027.
Um so what we're just timelinewise, we're looking to um potentially have something approved and ready to go for the 2027 budget. There is some slight costs for this that are kind of outlined in this. So we wanted to make sure to get this in front of city council. But um uh really the the software and I kind
of took this on from Gary when he was out a little bit. So he he can also chime in on this as well. Um but really the software that we have right now is is is quite old. I think we've had it for at least 10 years talking to staff. Um and and it's not no longer going to be supported. A little background, we
have Itron meters. We require Itron software to read those meters. So there's no um it's kind of a propri it is a proprietary software and the the vendor that we have um United Systems and Software is the reseller in the region for that that software. So this
is a sole source situation um as far as the the softwares go. But um one thing with this new software is that we will have the capability to do what's called AMI reads. So that's a continuous read system. um it requires a hardware update
or upgrade um to some of the or to the meters for that to work. Um the the package and and I thought I gave the quote um to put it in the into the packet, but I I can't go over the quote because there are a lot of numbers and maybe some of them don't math out because they they do give us a deduction
on some of these things. But um so there's the option and I want to talk a little bit about that at the end is if you know we do proceed with this uh software update you know we will have 126 of these hertz that allow AMI systems AMI readings um you know we have
about what 20 350 water meters you know at what pace if we want to even replace the yurts that we have you know what what do we want to do with that but back to the software um there's some initial fees that that are related to the roll
out. Um the implementation basically costs a total of $37,510. The first year of that uh 13,000 is related to the implementation um which includes the uh the cellular
fee. The cellular fee is not $6.96 per. Um, so anytime you have an AMI system on the network, it costs that much per year for them to to to transfer that data. Um, there is some training in there built into this quote, $10,000. The the
rep said that they put that number in there. We likely won't hit the 10,000 and that's not a guarantee for them. So, it's whatever we decide we need to use for the training is what what would tap into that. Um, and then there's some some fees related to Itron. Um, and that's the Tmetra Advanced is the name
of the software. That annual startup fee is $5,250. And then there's an AMI essential uh smart start promo which includes the data. Um, and that's $9,260. Um,
and so that's the year one cost to implement. Year two would be that $9,73. And that's assuming we have 126 of these AMIRs. Uh if we get more than that, then that will scale up depending on that data usage kind of outlined in the in
the packet. So just kind of to get in front of you, the the idea would be maybe in September, October, we bring forward uh the agreement to proceed with this um with with the group and then we can implement in 2027 when that becomes uh goes out of uh support. So, it's
going out 27 because online it says it goes out December 31st, 2020. >> Um, >> yeah. I don't I don't know. I mean, I'm going by what the rep rep is telling us. >> identifying uh excess identify the city or
>> so the the the plan that we would have through this to Metro program would be to the city and then the city could then reach out to the individual user. So there's an upgraded more expensive plan that gives a portal to the to the user and uh then they can set up their own
alerts and get alerted if they exceed a certain amount of usage per day or something like that. >> For installing these would be access to the inside of subscribers home. So >> yeah, it would be uh to the inside of the home. It's just a plug into the
meter and then we replace it. So um >> aren't meters outside? >> No. Uh Yep. Yep. Yeah. So, you'd have to go in there and that's built into that, you know, total $400,000 cost. That's to have an outside vendor do that for us at
I think about $45 $45 per install. Um, >> the there's an AMR system and an AMI system. Do we have to do the AMI system or can we do the AMR system or we can still do the driveby? >> You still have to do the driveway. We have to put them on the system cuz we've
just replaced a bunch of meters >> last year within the last couple few years for 10 to 15 years. So those meters will still be you know in use for the next 10 to 15 years. So we'll still have to do that as we move forward with all the new
developments that the new meters will all anything we put in say the leaders the herbs themselves the the readers the transmitters themselves all the opers on but moving forward we'll have to do that >> eventually we'll have to start replacing
the other ones with you know what time period they have not specified yet I don't think well they said the end of life the actual cold heart waters we have so I think It'll be a quite a few years. Yeah, that'll be a little
>> So, does it cost more to do the AMR and the AMI ones versus just keeping AMRs only? >> Is that what that 105 was instead of the 135? >> Yes. So, the the Yeah. So, the the 100
watt or is the $105 one. The AMI compatible one, I don't know what the watt is if it's one, it's it's $135. So that's the difference in price. Um we don't have to do any conversion if we don't want to. So um it's just something that we could do for maybe some of our
uh problematic meters that we have that would be helpful. It comes with the software. It just you have two different dashboards. One's for the AMI, one's for the AMR, but they both read at the same time and send it to um to our utility bill. >> We have to do the software. We do
need to do the cloud based reading the data cellular reading on keep it the ones that do the drive by >> and any of the updated meters that were put in any meters now it's just similar I should I keep saying meters I should say with the meters that is all built
through the builders there's no upfront class city we would just increase the fee on that as we go but any of the replacement yes there would be a fee for that But we're going to replace them anyways coming in the near future. There's still a bunch that are coming
due. We stopped at 2016, I think, or 15, which are cut off at the first time meters. So, we'll have a bunch of meters still coming here in the next couple years that we're going to have to look at replacing probably 3 to four years. We're going to look at replacing those cuz they'll be at their
end of life about 15 years of the battery each one. So, we'll still be looking at replacing a handful. I think it's I think we can replace 1600 or 1400 first time quite a >> few last few years going 23
>> eventually we'll be looking at doing >> it I guess it would be nice it was quite a few but it wasn't >> but it was more sequential or whatever >> so with the cloud basis system. What security measures are in place on that to make sure people can't hack in
and do things and get to it basically? Who keeps control of that? Who has access? Who's responsible if something doesn't get hacked into what happens with that? >> Yeah. So, as far as who has access to it here, it's really just one person. Um,
as far as what their protocols are for cyber security, we can ask them that question on their end for it, but it all lives in the cloud. So there's no software here um or no data that's stored here locally. We have a backup plan if uh the
subscribers not replacing >> Yeah. or they don't want the cellular connections. >> Yeah. In previous town I lived in supposed to replace two years seven people were >> Well, they
exactly >> Yep. Um there's things that we could look at like a like a you know a manual meter read fee, things like that cities have done for if you don't want that continuous read um hurt. You could do that where you basically send somebody out or keep them on the driveby system.
You know, we're going to likely have the driveby system for I don't depends on the pace at which we want to replace them, but probably for at least 12 more years. So it might may they might just be able to not do their meter and let them go with the driveby for as long as we can.
>> We only had I think three or four that did not want the change. >> Yeah. >> And we were fairly lucky that way. >> One of them was a allergy or whatever. Two RF so that is one and then two others where
we just don't want that in our house. So we have outside actually I think only months we get manual read the other ones we just put the reader out the bird outside the house so it's not inside so that we try to do the most so the three I
think we only have one that's already that >> so what is your what do you think you want to all at once. I mean half or over a threeyear period. I mean so we had to do the 37 >> it is. Then um one thing that I could
ask is if we just don't want to do any AMI meters, we could just see what the software update I I think I can kind of figure that out from the quote that they gave me. That that would just be probably with training. Um probably around $19,000 just to update
the software, not get any of the ZS um not have any data plan to start off with. So that would be the bare minimum. Something like that. We could ask about that as an option. >> Yeah. So considering that we have to raise our water significantly and then
have more water for 500,000 versus we just replaced it. Get a chunk in the water meter. So until we get another chunk that needs to be replaced then increase change of the equipment at that point versus since we're doing monthly. So at least
we have monthly out versus >> Yeah. >> Sure. >> versus quarter. Okay. And and one option that you could keep in your back pocket if you have somebody come to city council and request a you know reduction in their bill or whatever you could say hey if you want we can put one of these
s in and we can get you more continuous reading and you know if that becomes an issue but it like you said we won't have three month reads we'll have monthly reads. What would So, let me find out from the vendor what it would cost if we just did a um spot.
>> 135 a piece. >> That's it. >> Yeah. >> No installation cost. >> Um no. Well, we if it's just one or two, we could probably coordinate that. It's just the mass quantities are challenging for the staff. >> See if somebody it's a snowbird for instance and they say, "Well, I've gone for this. I didn't, you know, I'd like
to see my water usage and I didn't know you could make it." So, meaning that they could do that. >> Yeah. So, it' be 135 plus the 696. Um, it might that might be more because that's probably priced at at a scale. So, if it's just one or you know, so many.
>> Okay. I can ask that question. >> Basis, the res part of it too, >> right? That's what I'm saying. It would be the 135 plus 690 whatever it is. And I don't know if it's possible. >> I don't think it is possible. I would recommend highly recommend that you know
we look at the irrigation systems out there for the HOA prime examples what happen very very high bill due to starving that they didn't know about >> right >> so this would have alerted them alerted us we could alert them hey you have an
issue shut long for the the bill tally up to what they >> just want to contribute so far yeah I think if if we can offer it as an option to people on day or 100%. Then um I think that that would be a good option.
>> The the other thing to consider like a little direction on is for new home builds after the software is installed. Do we want to on the new homes have them put the new her on versus the old >> Z? Yeah. Right.
>> I think making more sense for all >> Yeah, that's fine. >> So, it's got the the kind of package is just the upgrade for the software, some training, and then what's the cost moving forward for this one off? We want to add add one here, we'll add one there. Right.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Right. >> And then I'll bring that back sometime probably September or October. Um, so don't have a lot of people here for the committee. So I I'm wondering if
they thought it was 5:30. >> But no, I mean that's what was in the email. It's 5:00. Only one person said they couldn't be here. >> Okay. Well, let's do this. Um, let's do a city council paid check in and then then we'll do the comprehensive plan task meeting.
Okay. >> Yeah. Madame Mayor, members of council, uh, as you can read in the memo, there's a window of time that city council can adjust their pay, and we're in that window of time before, uh, midterm election or an election. Um, and this
would be potentially, if there are any changes, implemented in, uh, January 1 of 2027. So, you can see in the data there's um, you know, a group, this is from the League of Minnesota Cities. I did a query between 15,000 and 7500 to
kind of find what the averages were. You can kind of if you want pick and choose cities that you want to take out of there, but you kind of see the average for uh the mayor is $681. We're at 500. Um and the average for uh city council
members is 508 and we're at 400. So, one thing to note is there is a um and this wasn't very well documented as far as additional benefits in the League of Minnesota Cities, but we do get or this you guys get $50 a month for internet as
well. So, if you if you would like to change anything or or change the the pay, that would be an ordinance that we would then um bring forward at a future date. We just need the direction Okay. >> So, here's the thing. Um, well, when I looked at this, I was surprised even
some cities that are much smaller than us have even a higher, you know, pay their council board. Um, but I hate to go. So, last time before we made this change, it was like 20 years before we had revisited it. So, I really hate to
go more than four or five years. And I think it's been four or five years. But um what I also want to say is it's not just the time that we spend in meetings here or in committees, but it's also the prep time and it's also talking with
residents and it's also going to events. But then in addition, it's the sacrifice that we made being gone from our families on evenings and you know not being able to be there for special events at times. So, it's it's that it's all of that combined that I think we
should be paid just a little bit more than what we're currently paying when I think of the time that we put in and and the sacrifices that we make. So, that's my pitch. buy it for me when I rant.
But here's the thing. I also think maybe that and so we have two people so far that have filed for the two open council. So I also think would there be some incentive for people to file if they got paid a little bit more? I mean
>> yes. I don't think so. I think the I think you could double it and I think more people could run. It's a huge commitment. Like Kathleen said, I didn't even know there was any pain whatsoever. Um but on top of that, you have to
schedule your life. Like you can't just go on. It's a huge It is. I know. Um 500 bucks a month, you know, it's a token of of I think we should be commenserate with other towns with
10,000 people. I I don't think we have to give more charity than we already do. We're not asking you paid a lot of money, but um I I agree and concert with other towns the size. So when I look at and I'm going to you know I would take
out like Alexandria and and a few that are more in that $12,000 12,000 population. So yeah, I think we could raise it a little bit. So that's my suggestion
and I would say um if you raise it 100 bucks a month we're going to be close then we'll be averaging for council 500 and for me 600. Well I mean I mean
that's that's unless you want to go higher than four years you know it's been four years. Yeah. Um, so I think $100 is fine. Just good, you know. Um, >> do you have other suggestions?
>> I mean, if the rest of the year you're completely against it, I'll I'll sign with the majority. Anybody listening is point out that the hate heroes don't kill all after the next election. >> All right. Okay. So you'll bring that that ordinance.
>> So So just to let me be clear, mayor 600, council members 500. >> All right. That'll be our month. Okay. Um so let's uh looks like we're not going to get our um people here for the um task force. We do have
two ladies here. Um thank you for coming. Um so uh David maybe I could just have you quickly give us an overview of what the commitment for this committee would be. >> Yeah thank you madame mayor and members of council. So once every 10 years as
you know we update our comprehensive plan. Um the next uh update uh due date would be the end of 2028. So what we'd be looking to do here um is put putting together a task force. As you know, pointed out in your packet, we have
three a total of three parks and planning commissioners that have volunteered to be on this uh task force already. Uh we put out an advertisement uh in the newspaper and on social media for any other uh residents at large, if you will, that would be interested in
helping out with this uh this task force. Um the goal here would be to start the fall of this year. Um, and what what we're looking for from a commitment standpoint would be once a month generally for about an hour. Uh,
what we try to do is do it an hour prior to our monthly planning commission meeting. Um, so for uh approximately an hour each month starting this fall and all through next year or until we we get the the plan done. Sometimes it can take
a little bit longer, but uh generally speaking, we're we're looking at about a a year and a half to maybe a little bit more is what we'd be looking to do. There may be a few additional meetings involved with that. Some public open houses that they're welcome to attend. There would be uh required to attend,
but uh certainly would be helpful if they're available to attend those types of things. and then possibly also uh a planning commission meeting or maybe even a city council meeting here and there depending upon which direction the the steering committee goes or the discussion goes. Um that has happened
historically when we've done things like this before. So generally speaking like I said pretty straightforward once a month for for an hour or so is what we'd be looking looking at doing for around a year and a half or so. >> Okay. Thank you. So we have two um other
women that um apply Molini and Ala. Is that how you pronounce it? >> Okay. And then um we have Missy Greener. Okay. So all I'm going to do I'm not going to put you through a whole bunch of steps. Um but is this something that
you think you can um commit to monthly meetings? uh we kind of would expect you to participate at least 75 to 80 person be present for other meetings. Is that something you can do? >> Yeah. Is it a is it a certain week or
day of the week of the like week of the month that would be before this? >> It'll always be um so our planning commission always meets on the fourth Monday of each month. So it' be the fourth Monday of each month and they meet around 6 o' 7 o'clock
>> 6:30 they meet. So we'd be looking around at 5:00. Similar start time probably is what we looking to do is above 5:00. >> Yeah. Totally. >> Yeah. And they don't meet in December. >> Yeah. >> And usually we don't may not meet and
there may be a couple more times where we don't need um maybe because some more research has to be done or whatever. So, and during the summer months there may be July for instance where we don't leave but um generally once a month the
fourth Monday. So, okay, any other questions with all of our applicants here? So, hopefully they'll say the same. Um and we'll get started and you'll be getting some notice from from David for
that. I think we'll bring this back at a regular meeting under consent. No, it's under business tonight. >> Okay. And we'll just bring it back in. So, I'm pretty sure you will be invited. You're welcome to stay. Um, but you don't have to if you don't want to.
Thank you very much. >> All right. Thank you. >> Nice meeting you. So, um, next we're going to talk about the ATB ordinance discussion. I'll hand that over to Jasper first. >> Yes. Um, madame mayor, members of city council,
this was requested by council member Lacy to to bring on to the work session and uh was affirmed by the city council. Uh, you can see in the packet the language that was developed, I believe in 2022 uh for the current operation of recreational vehicles on private
property uh section in the code. Um, essentially this was driven by I think complaints. This was a little prior to my arrival here in Minitrista, but it was a complaint based item that there was a a desire from members of the public to uh develop an ordinance that was a little bit more restrictive. Um,
and in here you can kind of see the the basic terms. Um, no operation uh between 9:00 p.m. and 8 a.m. Uh, no more than two consecutive hours of operation. Um, may only be operated on a parcel 3 acres
or larger. um can only have three total recreational vehicles operated at one time on a parcel. And then this is uh one I think that we're going to probably talk about is recreational vehicles may not be operated within 300 ft of the property line of any parcel without the
permission of the residents of the parcel unless they are being used uh conducting agricultural operations. And then um they must be um equipped with a a muffler system. So, uh, those are the basic terms. Um, and I'll I'll leave it
to city council to talk about if they would like to to change it. We do have a Pat who's been, um, quite involved with some of these ATV complaints over the years, so he's good insight for wisdom. >> Well, let me let me just kind of um
explain because I don't think any of you here. So, we had two we had two property owners. Um, one here, one year of course, you know, very young person. And one property owner had
multiple children, a lot of children, multiple ATVs, and they created this dirt, this path or this trail, and they would ride their dirt at um and get all right on the side, you
know, and they were very challenging to try and um >> Yeah. So, anyhow, so what we So, this is the result with that. We try to give the property owner on one side a little bit of recruiting from the dust and the
noise and it so having said that um I understand that the new property owners I think the new property owners that are next and now in this similar situation are a little nicer um to maybe I'm not sure anyhow um what
I might suggest and this might be a real simple solution is that we say not 300 ft from the property line but 300 ft from any dwelling unit. In other words, from the house. And I had Jasper um this is just
a thought. I had Jasper look at it and the one house on this side is about 200 ft from the property line and so they would only have to be 100 ft from the property line. So that would really give them a lot more wiggle room on the other
side and you know it would be the same. They would have to be 300 ft 300 people in front of the house. >> So well couldn't they just ask the neighbor? >> No. >> Can I go through this? I mean you could Yes, you could ask the neighbor. Can I just give you a little bit more
information about Madame Mayor was discussing? May I? >> Thank you. So, let's say it might help with what you were going to ask. Let's talk about property A, B, and C. Property A is one acre and it's a strip.
It looks like a racetrack that goes from a road down to the lake. Property B is the new property own. property C were the people that were tormented by their which is like a two-stroke four-stroke motorbike that
these kids rode up and down this. So I completely understand why they had someations >> reservations and because it was horrible. Um, but Madameir, if I may,
this the reason why I'm passionate about this is because my lot, for example, is 150 ft wide. We use an ATV just about every day in the summer to take our coolers down to our boat. I talk to our neighbors, they've never
heard it once, and 30 ft from their sliding glass windows. because I'm respectful. I use it for 10 minutes, >> right? >> Um I don't think this is an issue of two stroke, four stroke, dirt bikes. I think it's an it's we've got something on the
books that is is being violated every single day by multiple people all around the classroom and it's not enforced. So, we have a we have a an ordinance that is not enforced. I think the after 9:00
a.m. is wonderful. before 8 8 a.m. is wonderful. Three at one time, that's a lot. Um, two hours consecutively, that's a lot. Um, we could keep all those, but 300 ft is going to eliminate the
majority of homes on the lake that they can get, for instance, your neighbors, for instance, they're not complaining. >> I don't think they'll have to ask my neighbor. >> So, the reason you say they're not being enforced, it's a complaint based system. So, if no one's complaining, that means your neighbors don't care. So, if your
neighbor started complaining, then we would enforce the ordinance. >> This was brought to my attention because neighbor C is standing on a property line filming the new young family that are just trying to take their 2-year-old and their baby down the boat.
>> Well, what are they driving? >> They're I've seen it. It's a It's the same thing I have. It's a razor. It It's modified. It has, you know, you can modify a razor for anywhere between $150 and $300. Reduces the sum by 85%.
Um, this is something used by everyone. >> Has anyone complained? Have you guys gotten complaints about this this property? >> They're filming this down. >> Well, I understand have they recorded a complaint? >> Okay, >> hold on. So, but Kanye, my concern is we
can't change this to. So, the only way you could do it is you could change it somehow to say in the developed area, this is the ordinance. In the rural area, this is the ordinance or you do one ordinance that's citywide. And
that's what we were trying. We were basically addressing it because of the rural areas. And we've never gotten complaints. I don't think of ATVs in the developed areas. I mean, >> but I would say >> hold on, hold on just a minute.
>> There's no complaints. So, we should remove the 300 foot. >> No, I don't think so. >> Yeah. >> As far as the distance, the only I can think of off the top of my head. >> Yeah. What you guys? >> I mean, it's >> So now, so I will be violating city
ordinance every time I want my ATV going down to my dock. Well, that's what's so absurd because I can give you 50 people that do this every single weekend, >> right? But they're neighbors. So, >> but it's an ordinance saying we can't do it. >> But, but by the fact that they're not
complaining, you have the basically saying we don't care or it's okay. Now, if you were going down to your doc 100 times for 2 hours, let's just say, they might complain. But if you're going once
or twice a day, nobody's going to care. >> So you're saying it's too difficult just to remove that one detail because then what do you do for the people out in the rural area whose kids want to run around a track for for who knows how long with
three ATVs for two or three hours at a time close to their neighbor's property? What do you do about them? Well, that's a nuisance. That's a nuisance. I mean, it's not you're you're you're
keeping. >> But what you want to do is you want to change an ordinance. >> No, they want to change one aspect of >> for one property. >> No, for all the people only and around here they use their ATVs to get around the properties. >> But there haven't been any complaints.
So, >> okay. Then I'm going to go get chickens and hope there is no complaint. I mean, I want to follow the rule again. We amended that ordinance that I'm under discussion. The the thing again and I said this before is we are a complaint based system and if no one is
complaining then we don't do anything about it. I don't think we should change this for that reason especially >> for the reason that it's constantly violated and we're not enforcing it. But but the thing that's brought this up is
this one this one family that bought the property now from the other family that was an issue. So this is what's triggered your interest in changing this? >> No. What's triggered my interest is I use an ATV every day to go down the dock and I didn't realize this and I don't
want to be a council member that shouldn't be getting putting our coolers on the ATV and bringing our kids down to the dock. I'm violating it. I am there if there's no complaints. Um, >> but then we can change the ordinance and we can say in the developed areas if you
use an ATV to go from your house down to your dock, you can do that. >> Yeah, we can do that. >> Then you're not violating. >> So then as well to the situation with the Swanson, they can use their AT
because that's what they're doing. They're taking their children down to their dock. And so here's the problem. So now if you say in the developed areas, this is what you can do. But then we have all of the people in the rural areas that like to run around their
tracks, they create, you know, trails and tracks that they use and sometimes it's three kids, sometimes it's two, sometimes it's one for multiple hours. So how many complaints have you received like that in the last I don't know three
years, one year? And that's we zero complaints. That'll be zero. >> So we got zero. >> All right. Well, here's the thing. We changed it and since then we haven't got any complaints. Well, I I think this is
absurd and and anytime someone gets a complaint about something in ordinance ordinance, we can come back and say we don't enforce that ordinance, so don't worry about it. Um um if you would like to change our policy that would be a whole another
member discussion. Our policy right now is we enforce our ordinances on a complaint basis. So if that if you would like us to enforce our ordinances differently, we can do that. Um but that
would have to be a council decision. And and the other thing is um if people out there by whail tail if they want some relief from this ordinance that's what I'm saying is we can say okay you just have to be you're going to be
driving around and driving around whether but but you have to understand you have to understand that there's other people in the community that would not just drive down. What if we just add a line that says recreational
recreational vehicles may be operated within your property for purposes of going back and forth to your dog? >> We can just uh say it's dimminimous use of few minutes or less. It's not
>> violate this list. >> Cuz that way then if you are just going back and forth to your dog, then I would fall under that. You're really concerned more about the people better. >> But I don't understand how you can't see that police officer Jasper. We we don't
get any complaints about this. But you didn't have the books. >> Well, that's because before we had this in the books, we got complaints. >> Well, in person. No. No. Okay. Before you guys were here, we had other complaints, too. I mean, this this isn't a oneoff. We had other complaints
elsewhere in the city as well. And I don't I mean, it's probably I know it's been more than 10 years, but we've had other complaints on Game Farm and on um out there probably two or three um properties where people just round and round and round. So, it's not just one
property. And because since we created this, they haven't had complaints. And the other thing is I don't want our police to have to deal with these kind of complaints. I think Ryan's um offer is fabulous. I think that's a great idea
that you can use it for whatever you want to say, 15 minutes or whatever to drive down to your dock. It puts takes you off the hook. It takes all of the people that drive their ATVs down to the dock off the hook. It takes I mean it it
just seems like that would be the best solution then. >> Yes. >> So I don't know that we can argue that that wouldn't be a good solution. >> Well, it's better than nothing. Okay, there you go.
>> I think it's absurd. Everyone's telling you this isn't an issue. We're keeping it This has been a trrista. ATVs are part of our life out here unless you live in Cove um on a lot of the sides of my sons, you know. I mean, no golf carts
are a problem. We want to add golf carts to the ban those from the entire neighborhood. I would love that. >> Maybe you should do that. Right. We already talked about the golf cards and we kind of that that ship has killed
us. So, um if Staten could kind of write in a small little keeping G >> G saying or small or just one off or whatever, however you want to word it, they can come up with some that'll kind of fix that. And then if
the neighboring property still wants to do more than that one trip down to the dock or two trips, whatever it is, um then they can come back and we can look at maybe 300 ft from the house. So um so let's let's try that for now and then
we'll come see what what happens. >> That sounds good. Just to confirm the threshold is 15 minutes. >> Do you get to come back to your house? >> No. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> If you go from your house down to your dock, it's what, 200 ft? That's going to take you one minute. Okay. But then you go out and then you come back. Let's take our next minute. >> You got 13 more to go. >> And even if even if you forgot something
and had to go back 30 minutes just absurd, make it 30 minutes. Do we get 30 minutes? >> 20. How's We're going to do 20 minutes. There we go. >> How about 20 minutes in a 1 hour period? So if you I think in your in your case, you drive down to the dock,
>> go out for 3 hours, then you can come back. >> Okay. >> Well, then you have to do 15 minutes and a 1 hour period. >> Is that 15 minutes in a 1 hour period? Done. That's it. All right.
I think it's a good compromise. All right. Um, then we have facility needs and fast updates. Real quick, um, since we're going to run out of time, um, I want to just quickly talk about data center a moratorum on data centers.
Is there, um, appetite for that? I think it would be really, really good. We don't have any applications in right now, but um, I I also know that there's a lot of people out there that are very concerned about this. And um I think it
would be good because and it would give us a chance to um kind of create some ordinances restricting size and location and things like that. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. So can you bring back a um on August 3rd a resolution to put a
moratorum on data center I think it data center applications or >> Yeah. No >> that's pretty common that >> Yeah. >> A lot of cities have passed. That's why I'm bringing it up. Okay, now we'll move on to facility needs assessment update.
>> All right, I just given myself a note here that I didn't finish, so I'll do it here in a little bit. But, um, so the facility needs assessment, this is, uh, tied to the strategic planning session we had in in February and done a little research to see what other communities have done in our area regarding um, a
project like this. And um it turned out that uh Krauss Anderson, who I'm not recommending, we move forward with. It's just a baseline to see how much something like this would cost because I've uh never done one before. Um uh provided some information. So I kind of
have a cost number in my in my mind. Um and so do you and you kind of have a proposal from them that you could look at. But really, I'm I'm looking at what what are the next steps? What are the expectations from city council as far as proceeding with this? Um, I know I've had some questions from from council
members on this as far as scope and scale and things of that nature. So, like that kind of pinned down as well if we do proceed. Uh, this is something depending on cost um, uh, that we could either probably not really work into the budget in 2026, but maybe kick off in
2027. So, um, I don't know. There's quite a bit of information in here and for time sake, you know, we're kind of just looking for direction as far as what you guys want to do as a group. So, one of the things I mentioned to staff is I think we can eliminate the police
department um facility study because it was just built around 9. It's not even 20 years old. Um it shouldn't really need to be revisited at this time. Um and then I also thought, you know, we can narrow down the scope of of the city
hall because again, we're not going to be doing we have enough space right now. It might have to be re reconfigured or something, but I don't think we need to spend money on designing or figuring out what we need for city hall. What we do
need to do is from public works. However, having said that, we don't need to or I think what we should do is plan on if we're going to do anything waiting uh wait until we could start like in 2030 or maybe 31 because then the police
department bond falls off. So then we could replace it with the public works bond. So that's but we could start in 27 kind of looking at it thinking what we might want to do getting some cost estimates and then then we could also start levying certain of a little bit
every year for for the facilities. Not not a lot but if we're going to have to um raise the levy for a bond let's say by 100,000 maybe then for a couple years we raise the levy by 50,000 or something. So then by the time we have
to see that bond, let's say, you know, then we already we're already there with that money. We still have to bond for it. But I think if we kind of narrow that scope down, it'll cost less and then
because I don't want to do a whole police station, city hall, public works. That's just not I don't think necessary right now. >> No. And if we're going to looking at doing any major changes not until 2030,
I would say we just need to do anything till like 2028 then we do them too because I mean if we do it next year by 2030 all the estimates and everything are going to be useless. And maybe um what Brian can do is you could um show us timelines in terms of
payments and things. And then when the a new bond would come online, would it be in 32 or would it be um the same as 31? >> It just matters how we how we structure it when we you know when we need the money for the you know any construction or major upgrades and then usually it
comes online you know a lot of times the next year. So if we'd start doing some improvements in 2030 it would be 2031 or 31 for 32 or whatever. And here's the other thing. I think right now it's what 349,000 payment for the police department. And
so let's just say in 28 or we could do it in 27 because then we have some estimates. And so then let's say the bond payment is 500,000 versus 350 that goes off. We can start living maybe a
100,000 for a couple of years. So then we'll ratchet it up to the five or 550. >> Start doing that without even doing that. I mean, we can just start ratcheting up without having the um section and all that the scope done. I mean, we know we're going to need it.
So, >> we can do that without necessarily getting the scope done, so you know, because I think it's going to be more than 350 because I think that bond was only like four or 5,000. 5 million. Uh I think it was yeah about five million because I think we had some other funding sources but yeah it was yeah six
million project 5 million. >> Yeah because it was like a million for the public works and then it was 4 and a.5 million for the uh police department and then we had like a million or something. So I think it was around 5 million >> that's so and then would be substantially more so we're
the higher. >> Yeah. So I mean we can just start ratcheting up that way in 22. So that's yeah 28 and then we just go closer to what we actually want to start >> tell like leving some dollars set aside for this project. It won't be a debt
debt levy yet, but it debt levy >> because for instance, so we're we're levying 350 right now for the police department knowing that we're going to probably having to increase that. And rather than having to increase it all at once, we can then like in 28 levy an
additional 50,000. Just setting that aside. And then so now we're levying 450, right? Or 400. And then the following year another 50. So now we're levying 450. It might just be the semantics of until you issue the debt, it's not a debt levy, but it's
allocated towards >> Yeah, basically it's just I understand what you're what we'd be doing, but yeah, more% increase just for that >> trying to ramp up and Yeah. versus having >> versus a half a percent or >> Well, that would be a good strategy.
>> Okay. Anyhow, so we're looking at 2028 maybe. The one thing, if I may, the one thing I will bring up, and I know some staff have brought it up, and I know we've talked about it in the past, is the ADA stuff. Um, okay. At city hall, >> we're grandfathered in until we start
construction on something, right? Like >> potentially or until there's a claim or somebody gets injured at our facility. >> So, why don't we why don't we do this? Why don't we ask our engineer um I know data architects and things like that what would it cost for them just to do
the facilities um ADA compliant um report for this for this building >> already know I mean the doors the bathrooms the walkway like that's those are the big things right
>> council chambers the front desk area >> you know >> yeah technically need the access to the city ballard parks here front doors and the bathrooms
will have do sets of bathrooms for since we have public works bathrooms and regular so two sets of bathrooms to do so >> so maybe what you're do yeah but bring back or maybe somebody can put together that list and then also with some
estimates and then maybe we can start um chewing off some of it. Do you have to do it all at once? >> I mean, you could do like >> I think as long as we have a plan, that goes a long ways. Um so >> So maybe we do that. >> Okay, we would likely need I mean we'll
likely need to bring in somebody to help with prices and things like that. So it's um >> and then the the big the big ticket items are the bathrooms, obviously, >> the front desk area, >> that's a big ticket item, and then here this is a big ticket item. So those are
the kind of three core areas that >> um you know and we would be forced to do something if somebody would run for city council that needed accessibility. Yeah. So >> well that's yeah that's even if it's in three segments you know something in 28
something in 29 something 30 >> test area is that just because the window so high? Yeah. >> And then maybe bring back some numbers. I know bathrooms are expensive. >> Um >> yeah. So >> So I think I think the steps are just
you know phasing in what what the scope is. Okay. >> Exactly. And then from there we can kind of throw some numbers. So it'll be a little while but >> yeah we can start with that. >> It sounds like it probably be a 20 28 and beyond, right? Yes, I guess what I
we're already looking at 10 12% right now without all that. So I think we'll have to look at 28. >> But at least now we can figure out how much and then yeah what needs to be done. Okay.
Um I think we're good. >> Hey George. >> Yeah. >> Are you here for the for the committee um task? >> I can do both. I'm here. If you want to listen to my spiel, if you want me to
>> you, we're we're already um basically going to appoint you. So, that's not an issue. And if you want to wait around till 6:30 uh for the um regular meeting, um your item u may be discussed. So, then you could discuss it at that. >> Okay.
>> All right. Well, do you want to hang around for half an hour or so? >> Okay. All right. Good. Thank you. All right. Um, is there a motion to adjourn our work session? >> Thank you. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Gver. All those in favor
signify. And I say that we're kind of laughing because I said I won't call you Peter. You're sitting in his seat. All right. All right. With that, we can be a journ until 6:30. Part: 2
like 20% or something. So, so now it sounds like another >> and it is 6:30 somewhere and so I'm going to call the meeting to order. Um this is the regular city council meeting for city of Minista of July 20th, 2026. Uh first order of
business, uh just a reminder, if you have cell phones with you, please mute them or put them on airplane mode so they don't disrupt the meeting. And second, I'd like to invite you all to say the pledge of allegiance with me to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> So, good evening everyone and also for those of you watching later on in YouTube. Um, we have a lot of people
here this evening, a very special guest. We will recognize those individuals very shortly. I'm Lisa Whan. I'm the mayor. And to my left are council members, Claudia Lacy, and Brian Gurn. Peter Victory is absent this evening. And then on the end we have our um Erin Peters
who is our public works director and Paula Bowman who is our assistant administrator. To my right I have uh Jasper Kel. He is our city administrator. Brian Grim is our finance director. David Ael is our community development director. And then we have coming our deputy chief sitting in for
Chief Squires this evening. And we may have a few people. I think Ann Meyer is our city um >> clerk. >> Clerk. Thank you. the attorney. No, that's Sarah. So, and my office is also with us remotely as is Sarah Samal who
is our with Kennedy agreement our attorney and then Alysa Powki who is our city engineer with WSB. So, with that our first order is of course to approve the agenda. Are there any changes or additions to the agenda? Hearing none. Is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? So,
moved. >> Thank you, Miss Lacy. Is there a second? Second. >> Thank you, Miss Rkin. Any further questions, comments? Hearing none. All those in favor signify with I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes for. So, we have some special presentations here
tonight. And we're going to start out with the very uh most important and um presentation there for um Greg Peterson who is now the retired chief, the loud fire chief. And I'm going to come out there and
invite you to join me. watching not. Okay. So, talking about there might be one. I'll hear you.
Thank you. All right. Thank you. Um, so I know you're the chief of mound. However, as you know, we have been partners and have been working together for many many years. And so this we kind of consider you as our fire chief as
well. Um, you and St. Bonnie both have done a fabulous job, but you're retiring. so late that you're retiring, but um obviously after 51 years two weeks ago. Okay. So,
and how's it going so far? >> It's hot. Well, but we just wanted to let you know that uh your service to our community has been exemplar and that we really have appreciated working with you and and for you servicing um serving our
community and you have done a very fabulous job. I have a little um speech here that I'm going to read. And tonight's in an interest of city council recognizes and honors an extraordinary career of service, dedication, and leadership. Since the beginning with the
Mount Meyer Department on February 3rd, 1975, Chief Greg Peterson has devoted an incredible 51 years to protecting Mound and its surrounding communities such as Minatrist. We have also a long dep we have long
depended on mound fire for our safety. Over the course of those five decades, Chief Peterson answered 15,000 695 calls, amassing over 17,000 calls an hour call hours. And those hours only
scratch the surface when you factor in the thousands of hours and drills and the countless hours spent on community events like the annual fish fry dur during and all of the holiday events even here in Minitra today. And during
his tenure, the department's call volume grew grew from roughly 100 calls a year to more than 800. And through all of that growth, the quality of service to our residents never wavered. Chief Peterson became fire chief in 1998 and
Mount's first full-time chief in 2004. And he helped shape the department into what it is today. One of the most respected fire departments not only in Hamilton County, but in the state of Minnesota. And that's a big feat. You
can be proud of that. Among his lasting accomplishments was spearheading the acquisition and development of the Mount Fire Hall that opened in 2004, a facility that continues to serve as the backbone of the fire protect protection
for our entire area. His leadership extended well beyond the station through decades of service with the Henipin County Fire Chiefs Association, the Western Area Fire Training Academy, and the Minnesota State and International Associations of Fire Chiefs for the city
of Minitrista. Chief Peterson has been more than a neighboring fire chief. He has been a trusted partner and almost um he has a commitment to his regional cooperation and shared service as a model of what communities can accomplish
together and our residents have been safer for it every day of his career. You'll find no bigger champion for Mount Fire and Mountfire has no bigger champion for the community it serves. Ministries of City Council extends its
deepest gratitude to Chief Peterson for his remarkable legacy. Congratulates him on a well- burned retirement and wishes him many years of enjoyment with his family and perhaps a few quiet nights of uninterrupted sleep, which he has
certainly earned. We also welcome incoming Chief Andy Drilling and look forward to continuing this valued partnership. We want to thank you Now you can keep it. [laughter] >> Say a couple things. >> Say as many as you want.
>> It's short. probably don't need any notes, but I'm going to use that. First of all, I'm feeling a little underdressed. I'm wearing my polo tonight, but I gave it a white shirt at least. and then he's
going to show honorable mayor, council members, staff. Um, I just want to say thank you for your support uh over the years. I mean, it's been a great partnership with everybody. Um, we have a great working relationship
with Trista and the police department, exceptional. um our firefighters, all of the folks that are here and the other 35, they're all honored,
proud to serve Matrisa and we believe we serve them well. >> I haven't been disappointed that we've not yet formed the fire district. did something that I was working on for over 20 years and Mayor Whan when she was a
council member way back when we were talking about our district joint powers agreement it will happen it will happen just be patient we have a great relationship with our friends at St. body chief Eric Anderson
and I have become really good friends him and the Handy Drilling become close as well. So we have that great partnership going as well. I just want to say the best approach for long-term sustainability considering the
growth in your city in partnership with Matrista Spring Park and St. B. That's the end. I just think that's what's got to happen. So with that, I'll just say thank you for your support.
Um been great and you know I'll be around Jasper. [laughter] Also wanted to acknowledge uh 12ear council member George Zeno who
was also on our fire commission for a long time. He likes to take credit for all the apparatus we purchased over the years. but he wasn't very highly too. So, just want to say thanks to George.
That's pretty much it. I think uh Chief Drinking is uh replacing me. He's got family history of San Diego Fire Department. He ended up in Minnesota. I don't know. >> I do know, but >> great place to live.
>> True. Um he has the support of our staff and uh he's got the fire pedigree helping him a little bit with the budgets otherwise we're all good. So thanks again. Thanks everybody.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you for recognizing me. And I will say we're very honored that the new fire chief Andy and Eric fire chief at the same money are both an interesting resident. >> It's a good question though.
>> I know it is. >> So thank you for coming. We really appreciate all that you've done. Um, next we have we also would like to recognize some of our longtime employees. And uh, but we have a policy
that when an employee has been here for more than 5 years, we like to recognize them and give them some a little a little tiny um, appreciation. And so with that, this evening, what we're going to do is we're going to recognize
um, Gloria Brazwell. She has been here for four years. We're also recognizing Pat Cummings. He's been here for 20 years. We're also recognizing Brian Grim. He's been here for 20 years as well. Now, we have some other individuals that weren't able to make it
this evening. And um Craig Squires and Trevor Barrett might show up a little bit late. Um he got called away. And then Spencer Ko and then Jacob Terrace. Those we might be recognizing at our next meeting. But if you will come,
let's see. We have your certificates here. >> Yeah. Go down there. Yeah. >> Don't worry. Okay. So, Brian, you've been here 20 years. Brian is our finance director and um I I think I worked with
you almost except for a green finance. So and we have a lot of trust in you and your finance finance abilities. You've been great asset to our team. We really appreciate it. We hope you stick to another 20 because guess what? Lori
Lorie has been here for 40 years over in our police department. and of course your expertise and your your historical knowledge and all of that is exemplar. We really appreciate your contribution to our community as well as to our team
here. Thank you for 40 years. I don't think I'll probably do another long [laughter] and then coming to been here 20 20 years a you another 20 maybe.
>> So he's our new deputy chief and he's been sitting in for great this evening. We have a really really good uh police uh chief as well as the deputy chief. I say that to everybody being a police department as it is today along with Lori Help. I know Lori has a hand in
that and we have great police department. We really appreciate everything that you folks do. Thank you very much. And I think Jasper has appreciation. >> They have them.
>> They have them. They have them. Okay. So, next on our agenda, we have some consent agenda items for >> Oh, I'm sorry. We have I thought I thought we were moving that, but okay. Go ahead. So, now another one more special um presentation and that's our
second quarter financial update. Mr. >> U mayor and council and I'll be brief. It's it's the midpoint of the year. So usually as long as um you would have already known if something was really noteworthy um about it at first quarter
or even in the interim. So but um as you um see in the packet um revenues are tracking pretty much where they are this time of year. our building permits. We had brought that number down, you know, with um just the uh knowing that the Woodland Cove development was finishing up, but we still are exceeding our our
number there pretty much for the whole year already. So, that that'll be a a good positive um impact there. On the expenditure side, we're we're doing a little better than last year at this time. And you can see those numbers there. And then the uh the other probably just noteworthy thing is that
the uh the cash and investments, we did get the uh the bond proceeds in May. So that's where you see a little bit larger amount as of the end of June with uh the obviously to make the payments on the water treatment plant that is currently under construction. So and as well as the the summer road projects that are
going on. So that's where you'll see uh that numbers and incorporated there. Um [snorts] so I guess yeah probably open it up for any questions of the council. Uh otherwise uh yeah more just the check-in. We'll be diving into the budget process for 2027 here, you know, shortly in August and uh it'll piggy
piggy back up for the current year and uh go from there. So, >> thank you. Um no, I very was excited to see that we exceeded the building permit um revenues because that was a big concern coming into six there. So, good good
job. I only have one question. the drug task force. Um, are we do we know for sure? Are we going to get to 50,000? Do you know when we get it or >> I know from coordinating with Chief Squire and we pretty much there's there's several a handful of cases that
are in the portal, but I don't know if um the federal government the wheels sort of turn a little slow sometimes. So, I think there's money that's in the queue to be dispersed to the, you know, the city and other eligible cities from these these cases, but they just none has came in yet so far this year. But there there's cases waiting to be I
guess settled or or you know shared with the the cities that participate in the drug task force activities. So >> and generally when does that >> oh it it can be real sporadic or it's just more when things finish up on I think the the federal government's end
as far as you know releasing the funds. question. the workers comp for streets and then um the assortment those are over the premiums higher claims or >> um yeah I think >> the next half the year
>> um so yeah it's um it'll be you know done for the year we've paid the full amounts but I think we had when our workers comp audit came in I think our our basically our our payroll was a little higher than when we had budgeted you know it's always the lag and stuff and I think that was even based on um
some you know before we added the 15th police officer and stuff. So there was some factors that came into play that we just had to pay a little more in based on it's based on covered payroll. So >> also any other questions [clears throat] otherwise Thank you.
So now we'll move on to consent agenda items. Are there any you wish to remove? >> I don't know. No, I think um I think unless Well, we have um Connor Swanson.
Did you Okay. You wanted to talk about the ETV ordinance? >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Come on up. >> Yep. You have to come up to the podium. Uh say your name and address for the record in three minutes. >> Hi, my name is Swanson. I live at 256
Island Road. Welcome to North Lake. Um, and uh, I just want to talk today about the ATV coordinates, specifically the 300 foot permission rule from their neighbors. Uh, my family moved in um, a couple months ago and uh, we've talked
to the other two neighbors and they have had no issues with ATVs. We have one neighbor that runs along side of our property which ends up being about 6 acres of our 12 acre property that um we are not able to use at all for recreational vehicles. And we're not
asked to build a dirt bike track. I'm just asking to be able to drive my 2-year-olds on go to the ride for 30 minutes without being videotaped. Um so just looking to get the that permission aspect
gone. Um, I just think it's extremely unfair that some of them have that much um control over your land, especially how it stacks up our that's our only flat dry area. The other side of our land is steeped hills and there's swamps on that side. So, you can't use that
side. Um, and it's just really unfortunate along with those neighbors. Um, and on Mother's Day, I took my kid down just down the lake for a 1 minute ride and I came back up the hill and they were standing with his phone billing.
Just waiting for us to drive by. >> Um, probably would have been good if you had been here during your work session because we discussed this during our work session. Uh, we're going to tweak it a little bit and then why don't you take a look at it and call the staff, talk to staff, see if that's going to
work a little bit better for you. If it doesn't, we'll take another one at it. Okay. Can we share with them briefly what I said? >> So, briefly, so there were a couple of things that we threw out. One, we said, you know, maybe it's 300 ft from a house versus the property line, which would
give you some relief. The other thing that we talked about is um we understand that you just want to kind of go down to the dock occasionally kind of thing. And so then we said, well, maybe we can just tweak it and say you can go down to your dock. and how I think the wording was um
for >> 15 minutes in the minutes of the time uh 15 minutes for in an hour time frame. So that gives you plenty of time to go down to your dock, go out on your boat, come back up, you know, that kind of thing. So if that doesn't work for you, talk to
staff and we can revisit it again. >> Yeah. That's not going to work for me. So >> okay, >> I mean that's not going to work. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of why I was thinking maybe a 300T um distance from the house versus 300 ft boundary.
>> It's his property. >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on just a minute. [clears throat] Um so why don't we talk about that? You'll have to maybe come in, talk to staff, talk to us. Um this we only have about 3 minutes and we're not going to make any decisions here. So
we'll we'll see how we can accommodate you a little bit better. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah, I just want to say that's my property. They like two properties over they have all they can use their property even if it's only two but >> and I could give you the history on that.
>> But I don't think it's fair that they're closing that legally. >> Okay. So, um so like I said, give staff a call and if need be, we'll have you come in. We'll talk to you and we'll figure out something. Okay.
>> All right. Thank you. All right. Um, so then we have um our consent agenda items. Are there any you wish to remove from the consent? G. >> Okay. So G, we're going to call. So otherwise, are there any other ones?
Okay. Otherwise, they consist of approve our work session meeting minutes. Um B is approve our city council regular meeting minutes. A resolution to approve um planes. D is a resolution to approve a variance
at 3900 Kings Road. E is a resolution to approve an IUP amendment and a CUP at 6900 County Road 110 West. F is a resolution to approve a DUP amendment at
8230 State Highway 7. H is a resolution is the ordinance number 507, a tobacco ordinance. And I is a resolution authorizing publication of ordinance number 507 by title and summary. And J
is accept the Henipan County grant for night vision equipment. And K is approved the maintenance agreement for tree for trees in the right of way at 1295 Preserve Boulevard. Is there a motion to approve contracted check items
A through K with um not including G? Thank you. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Governor. Any further questions? Seeing none, all those in favor signify with I. I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes 4. So we can
discuss number G. >> Yes. Um, so David, I don't know if you have this information or if the applicant knows. Um, what kind of electrical equipment is going in these? >> The applicant is here. So we can
I don't have the exact specs on the uh generator that we're using, but generally speaking, it just be should have about 17 dB at 75 ft. So about as loud as a long, >> right? So what is it like wiring? What
what is it? What's going in those? >> Oh, uh so we're a long haul wire company. We're connecting Seattle Indianapolis trying to expand out the current network local and then the generator would serve as a power source for site
>> and then the generators are diesel. So is there um cautions put in in case they leak and get all over the property and everything like that? >> Yes, we'll have a a bas in case it leaks that would also be able to catch fire and trap the fire from being able to go
beyond that. Are there any future plans or is it just these two structures? >> Uh, currently we're just trying to do these two structures, but we did have plans for adding a couple more in the future. >> Okay. Would they be the same size then?
>> Yeah, they would all have generators, but the general building itself was about the same. >> How many more are you planning in the future? >> Um, I don't really know that right now. will do them on the site and plug into other sites.
>> And then David, you'll know that if they do do them on this site, when would they have to come back to council for approval? How many could they put on without getting additional approval? >> Yeah, they're they're a permitted use. Um because it's a it's a utility. Um so
the threshold here would be a site plan review. So it' be percentage of changing the property. That's a 25% threshold change. Um if if they meet that threshold, they need to come back. If they don't, they could just it's a permitted use, so they could expand up to that 25%.
>> Would that be a couple more or how many? I mean, do we know how many more? >> We'd have to break down. I don't know. We'd have to break down the score. You know, >> this would be within that two acre. It's a 2 acre area that that you're leasing. So, it would be within that that date.
>> Okay. All right. Any other questions? All right. All right. Um also, what is your pleasure? The planning commission heard this and is um approve um I think um made a
motion to recommend approval. Was there a motion to approve? That would be number G as a resolution number 78-ure 5 approve site plan at 93856. >> Thank you Mr. Governor second. Second. Thank you Miss Lazby. Any questions
comments? Okay. None. All those in favor signify I. All those opposed. Motion passes. All room. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. Next then we don't have any public hearings. We have a business item
and it's a appointing our comprehensive plan update task force. So with that um we had uh just a couple of people attend our work session that are interested but we have a list of people that are interested in um participating in our
task force. I have to get to the right number here. Is it 193? Right. Um, all right. So, we have Lindsay Jameson, Sarah Hussein, Trisha Taylor,
and who else? It's not listed here. I'm sorry. All right. Computer problem. All right. Carol Rogers, David Martinson, George Zenenko, Molini Balan, and Missy Graham. Those are the
people that have volunteered. And the question we asked them is, do you understand that there's about one meeting a month on the fourth Monday of the month on average, but not every month? And hopefully you have the time to commit to this. I'm assuming you
will. and we said, you know, we'd like you to be here 75 to 80% of the for the meetings because it is a very important uh part of our community um planning process. So, with that, is there a motion to approve these individuals for
our um comp plan development committee? >> Thank you. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Govern. Any further questions? All those in favor signify with I. I. Suppose motion passes. Look
forward to forward to serving with you again. Um this is ano on our committee. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And thank you guys for all the work you do. >> You're welcome. >> Next we have um administrative items.
>> Just a point of clarification. Are we going to do a less on approach with the council? >> Okay. Perfect. Or yeah, probably rotate to perfect. Thank you. >> All right. Uh Congre, let's see. So, now we have future agenda items.
>> Yes. Uh Madame Mayor, uh members of council, uh just have a couple items on here. I think as many of you have seen in the local newspaper and on our website and uh social media, Mayor Mayor Whan was the recipient of the League of Minnesota City CC Ludwig Award this year
and we're going to have you having an open house um in lie of the work session on August 3rd uh at 5:00 p.m. So, we'll be honoring the mayor at that event and um hopefully we can have a good turnout. We'll have cake, coffee, refreshments, and um uh I think League of Minnesota
cities will be there, and they'll be able to watch the video, and I think some league representatives will also say a couple words. >> Yeah. Um and then and then the last thing is that we're uh as Brian alluded to, we're we're working towards our 2027 preliminary levy adoption, which will um
potentially be on uh September 9th, >> August 17th. I think the it'll be probably something at the regular meeting on August 3rd, maybe even more on August 17th. We need the work session and then hopefully adopted then in September, I guess for timeline.
>> All right. Um any other staff reports? I'll be lay on to the plan on the 20th. That's a week from now. Okay. >> Y All right. Um and well, and parks will park be meeting too. >> Uh no. >> Okay. No, just planning
>> and that's at >> 6:30. >> 6:30. Okay. Thank you. Um, okay. Any any other council reports? All right. So, I just have a couple. So, um, as I was well, Paula, Jasper, and I,
all three of us were at the League of Minnesota City's annual conference down in Rochester this year. Uh, it was a great conference, really good turnout, about I want to say close to 500 people probably. And then um so what we did is we kind of split up and we all went to
different work sess workshops and learned a whole lot. Um Allison was the moderator of one of the workshops I went to. She did a great job. Great job Allison. And um the workshop was on grants. So if we have questions on grant writing or grants, we can um tap into
Allison's knowledge on that. And then uh the other thing is um I did attend the chief's uh fire chief's um open house uh last week whenever it was. Um that was a nice event for him as well. And then coming up uh we have the um August 3rd
um open hopefully you know that um and then we also have um national night out. I will be participating and I think you'll be escorting me around. Joe [laughter] Burning. >> Joe Burning. Thank you. And um and then
also if any of you would like to participate, please let Patrick know so um he can fue you in on where to go and who to go with. And other than that, I think Oh, and then I also had a Zoom meeting. That was the mayor's meeting
with Senator Anne Johnson Stewart. We talked about the housing bill and we talked about possibly forming a committee and maybe even formulating some type of verbage should another and I'm sure it will come again um housing
bill come forward next session. We want to be prepared with some alternative language maybe um putting some restrictions on cost of homes for instance. they can't just build whatever they want and then charge whatever they want because the pretext is then they
they want to build affordable housing. So, if that's what they want to do, great. I think we need more affordable housing, but then I think all the bills that have been um surrounding that need to include that in the language. So, we'll be working on that. And then
Jasper and I also have a meeting with um Senator and Johns with Stewart and when Mayor Lacardy and Shwood uh and um their administrator to talk and Minda to talk about some of the issues pertaining to Highway 7, some of the roundabouts and
some of the financing and the kind of where how much time we had to come up with more financing for some of those roundabouts and safety initiatives. So we'll give you a heads up on that. Madam Mayor, on the middle housing bill, is that I know the city of Minnitanka Beach
doesn't allow multiple unit housing. So, how how are they just to be waved? >> So, they can just come in pretty much do what they want. Um, so no, they so then that doesn't matter. Correct. >> Right. I see. Yeah. It's it's a
basically it's called a preemption. And what it means is that uh depending on how the bill is written, the um developer or builder can come in and preempt city ordinances and cities authority as long as they follow the state um mandates. And that's what we're
um concerned about very have been and we've been pushing back on that and um so far we've been successful. However, um it's it's going to keep coming up and so we thought, you know, we could be prepared with some language that would
be included that would um only preempt them if they are going to build um affordable housing and out here would be very difficult. >> Well, the problem is affordable is a whole
there would be some parameters and guidelines and and and guards on that. So, it would have to be tied to something. Again, nothing's been done. We haven't sat down even yet to even come up with a draft of anything. And before and before it would go to
anywhere, I I could cash through it as well. >> I know they were tying it to our um price. Well, that may not be affordable, but we had to figure out the language
what's affordable. Um I mean certainly our median home price is around 600,000 that's not affordable right that's not affordable housing but let's say you go to you know why Ferndale
buy a lot but 10 affordable units there is an Johnson promoting this bill is she this bill we don't have a bill yet we don't have a bill we're we're trying to avoid being told
by the state what what will happen in our communities because we would like to full control over planning and zoning in our communities. So that's that's what we're trying we're trying to avoid. It's called preeemption meaning preempting
the city council and and the residents here that have elected us. >> They the intent is then they decision start from sheep to rewrite it. It's not start from last year's bill. That's kind of my own.
Yeah. Right. So, but again, um it's going to be some lobbying. We're going to have to be, you know, diligent contacting our representatives and um you know, making sure that we are heard. So, we'll work
on that. All right. That's I'll give you all right. Anything else? I I have one thing. Um [clears throat] there there's been a lot of information going out about the monthly billing transition. So we've been working with the HOAs and um
we're going to do our first monthly meter read here I think in a few days. Um so those bills should be hitting mailboxes around August 1st. So keep an eye out for that and we'll keep uh keep the media and the uh communication push going. So, we've gotten, I think, I
don't know, a mix of of Q2 questions and a couple um Q or monthly billing questions so far. So, we're tracking all those things. So, we'll be able to report back um you know, probably monthly on that. So, >> on the city website.
>> Okay, good. >> So, people should know that it's happening, we hope. Um, we will get questions, I'm guessing, just with the transition and the two bills being due in August, but I think once we get through a few months, I think it should hopefully be more smooth.
>> July. >> Yeah. Really? >> Yeah. >> And Paula, do you know when is the newsletter going to hit the mailboxes? Do you have it'll be mailed out this week? >> So hopefully it'll get there, but >> hopefully maybe tomorrow. Yeah. So,
thank you. All right. Then any other questions or comments? Then is there a motion to move? >> Thank you, Mr. Second. >> Thank you, Mr. All those in favor signify. I motion.
All right. The third