In accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act, it is hereby announced and shall be entered into the minutes of this meeting that adequate notice of this meeting has been provided by the following. Posted on the bulletin board of the office of the township clerk posted on the bulletin boards within the
municipal complex. Printed in the home news tra and cranberry press on December 27th, 2024 posted on the Monroe Township website and sent to individuals who have requested personal notice. Madame Secretary, roll call, please. Mr. Mr.
Lupo here. Mr. Masters here. Mr. Busman, Miss Carritori, Mr. Tanzy here, Mr. Jaffy here. Mr. Cole, Mr. Jadice here, Mr. Vagani here. Chairman Latada
here. Do you want to do that? you can do it. And just for board members in attendance, um Miss Carrie has um I believe she's become council to what the affordable housing committee. So she has a conflict now in serving on this committee. So she has resigned her
position. So we do have an open position on the board presently and obviously open uh vice chairperson. Okay. All members here tonight will be full voting members, you included. Very good. Okay, Madam Secretary, minutes of the regular
meeting held from March 25th, 2025, please. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes from the meeting of March 20, 2025? Motion to approve. There's a second. Second. Roll call, please. I just want
to do all in favor. All in favor for approving the minutes of March 25th say I. I. I. Good. Mr. M is abstain. Okay. First application
BA-5245-23 Matrix 2 Center Drive LLC. That application is ready, Mr. Chairman. Step forward. Thank you. Good evening. Uh Mr. Chairman, members of the board, Walter Toto on behalf of the applicant uh Matrix 2 Center Drive. Uh this
application uh was made at the behest of one of Matrix Matrix's tenants. Uh that being Penn Medicine. Uh two Center Drive is uh just up the road from here. And the the purpose of the application is to uh propose a sign uh with a canopy.
There's an upper and lower canopy. We'll get into the details of that. It extends about 12 ft out from the facade of the building. its purpose and I have uh a representative of matrix here to testify to this purpose is to for visibility uh
the patients are uh you know let's say having I don't want to say necessarily issues with eyesight but like all of us we're getting a bit older and uh visibility is important and also for protection from uh from the elements
uh I have uh the report of Miss Apti uh from April 30th 2025 and were able to comply with that report. I also have two witnesses, William Rothplat Remza is our planner. A use variance is required uh for this canopy
through a quirk of the ordinance. For whatever reason, canopies are not permitted. Uh they're classifying what we're proposing tonight as a canopy and it requires uh a use variance. uh we had first submitted as a bulk but Miss Apti rightfully called out the fact that it
requires use variance and that's why we're before uh so without oh I should also note that we did provide an affidavit of service and publication and the board does have jurisdiction to hear the application. Thank you Mr. Po. You're welcome sir. And at this point I'd like to call
William uh Rothlz. Will, you want take a seat? If you could turn that microphone on and and slide it right over to you. Hello. There you go. Perfect. If you could raise your right hand for me. Do you swear the testimony you're going to provide is the truth, old truth, and
nothing but truth. I swear. If you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your address for the record, please. Uh, my name is William Rothcluttz. W I L L I A M R O T H P L E T Z. and I live at 82 Rockaway, R O C K
A W A Y Road, Lebanon, New Jersey. Perfect. Will, what is your relationship to the applicant Matrix 2 Center Drive LLC? I am an assistant project manager at Matrix and Matrix is the owner of the building. And your relationship or
Matrix's relationship to Pen Medicine? Uh Pen Medicine is a tenant of ours at 2enter Drive. Okay. There's there's not much to put on the record here, but what are the hours of operation uh for the for pen medicine? Approximately 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. uh Monday through Friday. And no number of patients they
see per day on average. We see uh approximately 90 patients a day. Okay. Uh and the general age of the patients. Um on average between 60 to 90 years old. Okay. And have any patients voiced any concerns about finding the site uh
or concerns about uh protection from the elements that don't exist at this point? Um so on on numerous numerous occasions we have heard complaints that it's difficult to to find the building as well as you know personally our office is actually located directly next to um
the pet medicine building at 3enter drive. We have had patients pull into our office uh you know confused looking for directions. you can see that they're lost in the parking lot and have even come into our building asking for directions. Um, but more commonly we hear complaints of, you know, people
requesting protective coverings or some type of shelter when they're getting out, coming back into their car, or they're waiting outside uh to go into the building. Okay. Thanks. Well, Mr. Chairman, nothing further from Mr. Rothless. Please proceed. Sure. Uh, Mark, you want Thank you.
[Music] Good evening, sir. Do you swear the testimony going to provide us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. State your name, spell your last name, and give us your address for the record, please. Mark A. Rem 10 Dubberry Court, Mount Laurel, New Jersey.
Mark, you're a licensed professional planner in the state. We'll accept his credentials. Your license is still valid in good standing. Yes. Mark, give the board the benefit of your planning testimony. Is this use? Yes. So, I'm going to hand out two um uh items for
you. One uh is an old approved site plan uh back from 1987. I put a red X on it to demonstrate which uh part of the building uh the Pen Medicine uh tenant is located. And then I have an oblique
aerial view uh showing the uh building. And then I approximated uh uh with red lines what where the uh canopy is going to be located. Call those A1 and A2. A1 and A2. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. And and the second one A2 is was prepared by
me. Got it. I would add that we did submit uh a prior resolution uh confirming that there was a site plan issue uh that there was a question that was raised by the board planner as to whether this might be a prior non-conforming use. But there is both
the site plan and we do have the prior resolution as well. Thank you sir. No. And A2 is the aerial view that was requested by the board planner as well to show the exact location uh of the
canopy and sign. Thank you. And so the other thing when I investigated the proposed use um uh also the pen medicine is a rehabilitation uh facility uh basically uh helping uh the elderly uh rehabilitate uh their
physical condition. Correct. So you can see the orientation on A2 in the background is is uh uh Forestgate Drive and then we have a Center Drive
over here. And so you have to drive around uh Center Drive from Forestgate and enter into the property and then work your way through the parking lot uh to to the uh end unit. And so, um, just to give you some
context, um, what surrounds the property, uh, is to the north is the Forest Gate Country Club, and that's across Forest Gate Drive. Uh, to the east, uh, is a stormwater management basin. Uh, to the south are more office buildings, and to the west are more
office buildings. So the proposal is to add two types of canopies. Um if you look at A2 again and you'll see there's sort of an opening. There's like uh something that's called a portico. Uh
it's sort of this protrusion out from the building. Um it may have been interesting back in 1987 to have that open. Uh but uh the idea is to enclose the top of that portico uh in order to keep the the elements
away uh from the the patients uh essentially uh keep the snow and rain out. And then the other idea is to extend out uh from the facade of that port of cash um uh where there's currently a facade sign on the port of
cashier um and extend out roughly 12 ft from that with a a canopy structure uh and then at the end of the canopy structure uh the pen medicine sign would be located uh facing the parking lot.
Um so in terms of the variance um uh article uh uh uh 10 of signs section 108-101 A9 it prohibits and this is under the sign u uh part of the ordinance. It
prohibits marquees and it prohibits canopies as signs. And so what's being proposed is a sign at the very end uh of the facade of the canopy facing the parking lot. So that's what's not permitted uh in in uh anywhere in in the
municipality. So in terms of the legal proofs um the positive criteria uh related to the special reasons for uh the intent and purpose of municipal annu law or NJSA4
55D-2 and then I looked at small G and that's to provide sufficient space and appropriate locations for a variety of uses. In this case it's a commercial use. Uh the property has been used as an office complex uh since the um uh early
90s. It was approved in the late 80s. Uh it's currently uh used as a conforming medical office. Um the and the canopy will be identifying that medical office. So it's integral to the um nature of the business. Uh small eye
to promote a desirable visual environment. And so this uh proposed CA canopy will be uh complimentary in its style and and uh uh uh and design uh to the uh to the building. In my opinion, it will be an an attractive addition uh
to to the uh exterior of the building while providing the shelter from the elements. And then A is to provide uh uh to promote public health, safety, morals, and general welfare. And as um we heard from uh um William and also
from uh Walter, the idea is to provide uh protection from the more elderly patients from the elements. Site suitability. Well, uh we must demonstrate this site's particularly suited for this proposed canopy with a
sign. Uh the property has been used as an office complex for over 35 years. It has a compliant medical office. Uh the location for the proposed sign uh faces the interior of of the parking lot. So there's no visibility
from the public uh space. Uh and my my understanding is the intention of prohibiting canopy signs uh is to avoid uh proliferation of of signage, you know, limit the number of signs. But in this case, it'll be the interior of the
site and it's used to identify the location of the pen medical facility as well as provide the the shelter and the placement of the sign can easily be accommodated on the site. Uh it is not going to impede any um pedestrians
traveling to and from uh the parking lot into the building. Uh negative criteria uh we have to look at does this cause any substantial detriment to the public good? Well, um when I looked at this, the focus of course is on the
surrounding properties. Uh adding this canopy with this sign will not have any uh detriment to the uh Forest Gate Country Club. Uh it's not even visible uh from the country club. To the east, I see no uh negative impact to the
stormwater management basin, nor to the south or the west where there were other uh office buildings. Uh and finally reconciled with the 2022 master plan um I looked at the goals and objectives and that is to achieve a balance of land use
types and maintain and enhance the quality of life of the township. I think this canopy uh will be complimentary to to the pen medicine facility encourage appropriate commercial development in areas of population concentration. Um and again I I do not see um uh the
proposed canopy impairing that goal either. And then finally um the land use plan expressed concerns about high vacancies in the POCD zone. This is the planned office commercial development to zone where this is located. Uh the proposed use will provide the important
feature to shelter the elements uh uh shelter patient from the elements visiting the medical office building. Uh and also in terms of zoning um while the uh signs on canopies are are prohibited
um I do not see any signage pollution uh visible to the public. Uh this is limited to the um uh pen medicine facility. So on balance I I believe that the use variance can be granted. Nothing
further. Mr. Chairman, thank you. Ma, we're going to start with you please. Thank you. Um, thank you Mr. Ramsa. Just couple of follow-up question. Um, now that a site plan, a previous site plan was approved, uh, is it in your opinion that with the proposed sign, there are
no changes to the approved site plan? Yes, I I I agree. Okay. Um, and in terms of the um sign, because it's a port share or so to say the cupboard, what's the material? Is that also cloth or is
that a brick? And I'm the only reason I'm asking is because the drawings that are submitted sheet six it looks like it's a brick um elevation over there. Well, I believe the canopy is is is going to be some
kind of a tough fa fabric. Okay, that's what I'm ensuring. Um and uh would you happen to know the colors of the sign? I believe it's going to be green. Is it green? Green or blue? I thought a pen is blue. Uh blue. It'll be blue cuz um
that's right. Pen Medicine's colors are blue and the sign would be complimentary to that. Yes, whatever is there. All right, that's it, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. Any comments? Chairman, I don't have any comments for the parents. Thank you. Any board
members have any comments? Mr. Loop? I want to ask I want to ask our attorney a question. Is it possible? Um I don't have a problem with the canopy. You know, I I understand what it's for. Well, you know, like for aesthetic purposes,
um I can see that there's a canopy or something similar. Looks like a canopy. Uh let's say that's uh I don't know whether that be sweet one. Oh yeah. Now you guys come in. Is that Bank of America? And so everybody say they say who whoever's ever occupying the building, they want to do it too. And
they put up an orange one. No one's supposed to have a pink one. Otherwise, it looks like kind of like a circus. Do we have can we have something like Do we have something? You only have one in front of you now. So if you had someone else come in, you could indicate to them that you wanted the colors to coordinate so that it wasn't I mean any one of these. You know what I'm getting at? Of
course. Absolutely. So you put up ones this way and you look at this thing is it looks I think as an owner we can represent that in the future we would endeavor to be consistent with what may be approved. Sure. That's fine. Just so it doesn't
look like Of course I know. Yeah. You don't want that visible pollution, right? That's what you want to avoid. That's all. Yeah. Any other board members? I just have one one question as well. Sure. Uh was there any consideration of not putting the sign on the front part of the canvas but putting
keeping a sign mounted on the wall so that we you don't set the precedent with regards to a canopy with a sign? Well, all all of the portica shares um have a facade sign. None of them are uh put on
the main part of the building. They're all on the facade that faces that protrusion that comes out. And putting a sign back away from the u the the onto
the facade of the the building itself would not be as visible as it would be uh lining it up on all of the facades of the portico. And only because we're putting a canopy extending out, the facade sign would be much more visible
uh to the public uh visiting the site. Okay. It just set it sets a precedent. Okay. Look, who maintains this the uh material the sign? It would be the owner. It would be Matrix. So if it gets ratty, it'll be
repaired. Absolutely. Okay. I've seen them. They get old. They get nasty. That's the other reason why they're prohibited, I think. They get a little nasty. All right. Understood. Any other questions from any board members? Seeing there's none, I'll open this
application open to the public. Anyone wishing from the public to be heard on this application, please come forward. Seeing there's none, I'll make a motion to close public portion on this application. So move. Second. Second. All in favor? I
Okay, board members, you have before you an application for a portico with a canvas canopy. Do I have any uh any motions to approve or deny? I'll make a motion to approve. Second. Madam Secretary, roll call, please. Mr.
Lup, yes. Mr. Masters, yes. Mr. Tanzy, yes. Mr. Jaffy, yes. Mr. Jadis, yes. Mr. Vagani, yes. Yes. Chairman Latada. Yes. Great. Thank you for your kindness. Really appreciate it. Next application. BA-5227-22 Royal Real Estate Holdings
LLC. We're here for a final site plan. Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Uh Lawrence Saxs on behalf of the applicant Royal Real Estate Holdings uh LLC. Uh this property is located at 202 Mount Mounts Mills Road and 490 Buckaloo Avenue. It's
actually the corner property on Buckaloo and Mounts Mills. Uh known as block 35.07, lots 20.01 and 20.02 2 properties in your R30 zone. Um, if this board will recall, uh, the zoning board did issue a
preliminary u subdivision approval of this property with, uh, use variance relief, which we required for density and bulk variance relief. That was back in 2022. Uh, we're in front of you this evening, uh, for final approval uh, with
a few modifications to the plan. Uh and those modifications were necessitated by the fact uh that the Middle Sex County Planning Board uh required a right-of-way dedication uh which um basically changed the configuration of
some of the lot slightly and the extent of that right-of-way dedication, the original right-of-way dedication was roughly 535 uh square ft. Uh it's now gone up to 1622 ft. So that that that necessitated
a few dimminimous changes to the size of these lots and as well we also had to make modifications to the storm water management uh for this project. Um so we're in front of you tonight for final approval on this. Um I have one witness
who is Mr. Adnan Khan uh who testified at the last hearing back in 2022. He is our engineer and planner and um if we can have him sworn in, Mr. Vinola, I'll have him describe to the board what the changes are. Absolutely. And as I'm starting, just for the record, I did
receive affidavit of mailing and publication from Mr. Saxs, and everything is in an order, and the board does have jurisdiction to hear the application. And now, Mr. Khan, you swear the testimony you're going to provide is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do. If you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your address, please. Adnan Khan, Khan N. I'm the project
engineer from AWZ Engineering for this project. Mr. Mr. Khan, I believe you were uh you were qualified as an expert at the last hearing. Uh Mr. Chairman, I think for both things. We'll accept his credentials based on the the resolution. Thank you. Mr. Khan, I know you were here actually was about 3 years ago uh
with respect to this application. Um and it took quite some time with Middle Sex County to deal with the issue of the rightway dedication. You had to make some changes to the plan. If you can describe to the board what those modifications and changes are. Sure. I'll just give a brief history between our preliminary approval and today. Uh
again, middle again Buckley Avenue is uh part of the Middle Sex County road system and they require dedication. Originally when we lay out the plan and we submitted the application uh the size of the dedication was about
over little over 500 square ft based on the existing configuration of the street network in the area. We submitted the revised plans uh the preliminary approved plans to the county and the county made us uh actually we spent
about a year and a half chasing different uh because the county doesn't have any records for the ride ofway in the area. So they asked us to look into the corridor because there are some recent developments that happened in last few years. So we have to pull up
all those plans from different projects and try to figure out what was the right of way and where it should be. So finally we settled after I would say 8 months of laborious work we finally figured it out a layout that the county
feels that that is acceptable. So that rightway dedication increased from over 500 ft² to600 square ft. Before that dedication was only impacting two lots uh actually one lot the corner lot. Now
the dedication extends to the three lots facing Buckloo Avenue. So the reason of these deminimus and again the preliminary approval that was granted with certain numbers the lot areas the lot widths lot depths uh front yard
setbacks. So those numbers have changed because of this dedication uh requirement by the county. But again those numbers change very slightly. It's not something that it's uh it's basically overwhelming numbers. It's very deminimous numbers. So any numbers
that you see bulk bulk numbers or bulk requirements that have changed that we are seeking a variance again as part of this final approval is dimminimous and again caused of the because of the dedication also. What happened is uh
after the approval we submitted start submitting the final plans and of course we get the professionals review both from CME and the town engineers office uh based on what uh we were going through the revisions and we got couple
of meetings scheduled uh and couple of review letters or few revisions to the plans to address those comments and I believe at this point we are at at a position here that I can say
that we have satisfactorily addressed 99% of the comments and the major comment was the storm water if you recall like that we are proposing four lots uh we will four originally when the preliminary approval
was uh granted we were proposing four underground detention system for each lot and one of the concern raised by the board at that time is like that will alleviate any future prospects of having
any uh swimming pool or patio or anything in the rear yard for the three houses or actually all the four houses. So we went back and we looked at it and of course we got a very good input from the town engineers office and we looked
at it at different scenarios and one scenario that we came up with is like for the three lots lot 2.03 2.04 2.5 we are proposing an above ground detention system. So that frees up more
than 3,000 square ft of an area for each house that they can if they want they can build a pool, they can have patio, they can have other recreational um items uh installed. So that frees up that space or limitation that the
underground detention system had originally. So now what we are and again those plans I believe the recent plans that we submitted in September they do have the above ground detention systems. However, after even that submission, we
were still in contact with the township engineers office. We had a meeting earlier this year and uh there was another concept that was prepared based on uh the comment from the township engineers office is what about if we
combine the three detention basin for each house into one detention and connect all the runoff into that detention basin from the three houses except the for the one on Mount Mills that was
2.06. So we did a concept for that too and we submitted uh uh to the bo to the board engineer and we feel like that concept was not a really good concept because it requires lot of easements
inter lot easements like for each lot and everything and plus uh there will be a maintenance issues and other issues too because it's one combined system that's serving three lots. So we went back again to the old design and uh we basically have above ground detention
system for the three house and underground detention system for the last house on um mount mills and uh again as I mentioned that frees up this space for other installations if the homeowner wishes at some later date.
Also what happened during this course of time is the D changed the regulations and this project is classified as a major development. So during this whole process the D changes its regulations couple of times and they have a very
strict soil investigation uh criteria. So we have to redo the soil investigation for the entire site which is very very uh conservative approach. Even I think if if I look at it in my
professional opinion, this whole site is nothing not nothing but sandy material. Spa some areas where there might be a fill uh uh I would say when they remove the existing house or existing uh septic
system, they might have used the fill and the fill of course was not the same material as the rest of the property. So when we uh did the testing of course the testing needs to be done in the area where the system is going and we hit
certain pockets that were not sandy soil. So draw of our luck basically. So what we did is like we have to use the most conservative uh rates for infiltration. uh even though in my professional opinion I think the soils
at the site are sandy K4 type soils throughout the site which uh permits up to 2 to 20 in per hour percolation. However, since we use that uh limiting uh uh uh rate of the soil uh
permeability, I think this project is overly designed. I mean overly design means like it's it's much better as far as the storm water management that we are proposing for any equivalent site anywhere with those soils conditions. So
between those all those things that happened in the background this is the delay that's caused but I believe like after our January meeting with the border engineers office and the plans that are in current shape we complied
with uh almost 99% of course there are some housekeeping comments that we need to address we need to get some permits uh the county permit we need to get uh or one other thing that we did is also I know like the sewer uh department requested us because originally if you
remember in the preliminary plans we were requesting easements, sanitary easements to go over to run from the houses on um uh Buckaloo Avenue to run in the rear yard and connect into the existing sewer
main that exists on Mounts Mill. Unfortunately again draw our luck that sewer line ends there. So, but the sewer department didn't want us to do the easements on on the properties for each lot. So, now what we are proposing is we
are proposing an extension of the sewer line from Mount Mill to Buckley Buckloo Avenue. All the Buckloo Avenue. Yeah. All the way up to the last house for sewer extension and connecting uh each house without an easement or on any of
the other houses. that of course requires a TWWA permit from DAP and which we have to start uh the procedure for that and we will acquire the TWWA permit. So those were the major changes in the time lag that happened between the preliminary and final. All right,
Mr. Khan, I guess some of the redesign changed some of the sizes of the lots. Uh and and let's just get this on the record. So lot 20.03 03 before the dedication was roughly 34,651 ft uh square ft. Now it's
33,826 ft. Uh and of course the minimum lot size was 30,000 ft. So that didn't trigger any new variance. Lot 20 20.04 went from 34,59632 to 33,800.36. Uh lots 20.05 05 and 2006
didn't change in size and those variances were granted at the uh at the last hearing. Uh the minimum lot width uh is 110.89 for lot 20.05 and 110.89 for uh minimum lot frontage for
lot 20.05. And the minimum lot depth for uh lot uh 20.04 04 197.98 and uh for lot 20.03 195 there were slight slight
reductions in the lot depth as a result of the right ofway dedication. Um I know Miss Apti in her report indicated that these were all dimminimous uh variances or dimminimous changes didn't require any other proofs. Uh let's just go over
her report real quickly because I just want to touch on it. So this Mr. This is a report of May 19th of 2025. Um uh we just get to the uh the meat of this. I par page five talks about the
previously approved variances. Uh we have the zoning table. Um number two on page seven deals with fencing. There are fences that are going to be removed, existing fencing, and no new fencing is proposed. Correct. Correct. All right. Uh street trees. Uh
she had no issue with the type of street tree that we're proposing. Uh uh and additionally, uh the revised plans indicate that the shrubs along the driveways are proposed to be a mix of dwarf English boxwoods and glossy
ailers. She said that's a factory. Uh she had no issues with the garages. she had no issues with the elevations of the h of the proposed homes and um of course we'll continue to comply with the affordable housing
contribution. Um that was her report. Uh I believe Mr. Razimovit's report the last report he had was December 9th of 2024. Mark, am I correct? I think yes. Okay. Um I think you've covered what
most of the changes here. I know we had a question about um the sustainability and the burden on homeowners but uh we're going to provide operation O andM manuals for each uh property owner for
the storm water. Yeah, we have already prepared and uh I think it was reviewed uh by the engineer board of engineers office uh and again I think there is a comment that they should be recorded which uh we don't have any objection to that for there will also be deed restrictions uh if necessary in any of
these deeds that are uh dealing with the backyards although you've indicated that now with the additional square footage they potentially could put in swimming pools. That is correct. It's each house has approximately 3,000 square ft. Okay. uh that they can use or utilize for any such activity. All right. Uh paragraph
five of Mr. Razimovit's report on page two, paragraphs 5 A through G uh G, we don't have a problem with complying with any of that. Am I correct? Uh that is correct. And as I mentioned again like uh this after this report was issued in
December we had a meeting in January and uh we did revise the plans which were not submitted but as I mentioned like 95 to 99% of these comments are being addressed and they will be as part of the resolution compliance we'll submit
there. All right. Um Mark we did we have a phase one I don't know why for some reason you don't have it but we'll we'll get that to you. It was done quite some time ago. So we'll that that addresses I think paragraph 7. Uh and Mr. Khan, paragraph 8 uh deals with just some
changes that need uh revisions that need to be made to the plans uh more uh more scriveners changes. We can comply with all of that? Yes. Okay. Uh Mr. Chairman, I don't have any anything further. I know it's been a while since we were here, but it did take quite some time
with the county and with the change in the stormwater rags, but uh that's essentially our testimony for this. Being touched on Mika's remarks first. Mika, we're going to start with you. All right. Just to follow up to make sure everything you heard you agree with. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Um for the I apologize for sounding boring, but couple of things I do want to clarify for the record's sake. um Mr. Saxs um some of the um you know the lot areas and the lot
depth have changed like it's deminimous but you know I know the testimony was given that it's the same variance I just want to make sure the record is clear so for example the proposed lot 20.05 what the board had approved
earlier was 25,745.86 86 ft which has now become 25,745.05 ft. Um I'm sorry chairman proposed lot 20.06 uh what was permitted was uh or approved
was 24,189.92 ft. It has now become uh 24,189.57 ft. Um then for proposed lot 20.05 the lot depth uh lot width that was approved was 110.90 ft and it has become
110.89 ft. Um similarly for uh lot frontage for the same lot 20.05 it was 110.90 ft that was approved it's become 110.89. Um then for proposed lot 20.2 03
the lot depth was approved 199.43 and it has um now uh indicated that it is reduced to 195 ft and I believe that uh Mr. Khan testified that that's because of the road
dedication. Um then proposed lot 20.04 4 uh the lot depth was 195.93 that was approved and it has now become 197.98 ft for lot 20.04 is that correct
Mr. gone. That is correct. So it has increased because of Okay. Um then um and then the two other two have remained unchanged. So I just wanted to clarify for the record that things have changed but again um for the
board and chairman um these changes are deminimous and most of them are because of the um dedication. So from a planning standpoint it is the proofs uh I believe that Mr. Khan gave still remain. Um, two
other things I want to clarify regarding the street uh street trees. We have no objection to what's being proposed. We just want to make sure the shade tree commission you have the approval from them. Uh, I haven't seen any. Okay. But I believe the plans were forwarded to
them. Okay. So, we will work with them if they have any comments or they want to replace any trees. We will work with their office. All right. Um, and that goes for both along the Mounts Mill and the Buckloo Avenue Road. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you,
Mark. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, forgive me if uh if I ask a question that you already answered, but uh I may have missed it. Um, Monroe Township Utility Department. Have you filed an application with them? With
who? Monroe Township Utility Department. an application for water and sewer. Has that been We did submitted the application to them. Yes. And did you get any comments back? Uh I think the only comments we got was in the TRCC where they uh ask us of course like we need they need some uh conditions that
uh one of the condition was to extend the sewer line which we are showing in our plan and I think the fees and all that stuff. So we still as part of the resolution compliance will address all those topics. Okay. Thank you. the the environmental commission. Did
you go before the environmental commission? I'm not aware of that. You know what? I may have I may have a letter from them going back in 2022. I haven't seen one. I know you said you did have a phase one environmental, though I didn't see it as of this submittal. Yeah, we'll we'll
provide that for you, Mark. That's not a problem. Okay. Um, so I find myself in a unique position here. They're in for final. Um, there was a lot of drainage comments the first time. Your engineer has just gone through several meetings we had together
to talk about storm water management. And, uh, I still have some concerns. So, um, first off, lot 203, you have an above ground basin proposed with a spillway that is going to spill into lot
20.05, right through the area of where you indicated they could put their proposed swimming pool. Yeah, I think we have providing an inlet there to capture any water from there. So I believe the idea there is to that and if there is any spillway spillage, it will be captured through
the plan I'm looking at has a spillway, hasn't it? Has an outlet structure and a spillway that spills directly into lot 20.05. The basin on lot 20.05 additionally has its own spillway that's going to spill directly onto 20.06 06
right in the area where again you indicated they have usable yard and a swimming pool. I have a problem with that. Yeah, we can add inlet or a trench drains there like in case in front of the thing. So that that's something that can be remedied
easily. So I mean so that if there is any spillage from that uh area that can be collected through the trench drain. Mr. Chairman, if I can just continue u I'm not sure how we resolve that. Um,
again, we we had several meetings um after the preliminary and here we are at final and you know, we we still haven't worked these out. Um, I I do have a concern with each property having its own storm water management system um and
and the new NJ requirements of storm water uh basin uh maintenance reporting to the township. So that that raises some concern that um the township stormwater coordinator would have to get um u maintenance reports from four
different homeowners. Um so I'm again that's that's another concern I raise. Um let's see. I mean generally um on the other hand I will say their system does meet
the u the requirements of the new storm water rig eggs um based on their design and the numbers. So you know they are meeting that and we have been meeting that all the way. It's just the uniqueness of the lots and how like I
pointed out spillways of these basins are now dumping onto neighboring properties right in in the middle of their backyard. Um, Mark, is this because of the easement they gave away that it changed everything or even without giving up the easement, we would
have still been in the same situation? Are you referring to the right the rightway for the rightway? No. No, I I don't I'll defer to their rightway is irrelevant pertaining to this. So if the if if our engineer
has an issue with this with or without the rightway, you know, that's something that's going to need to be corrected. Yeah. One thing I just want to comment on is like again these systems are designed even like I mean it's not something that every time it's going to rain it's going to spill. Uh the system
is designed based on the D requirements like so it is designed for 100 years strong and reduction in 100 years strong event. So B and I think it's year 2023 20 no yeah yeah about 70 years from now so this is 2025 so yeah so 2023
because that's what I think DP requires now like you have to design the system 70 years for the rainfall data that will occur 70 years from now so these systems are designed overly designed I mean not overly but designed based on those criterias so yeah if you have a storm
like maybe Sandy or a severe storm that is beyond Beyond that uh you might see some spillage otherwise everything the system the volume it is is like it will contain within the system and the outflow control structure is designed again based on the rates that are
allowed by D to discharge into the uh storm sewer in the street. So this I mean and again as I mentioned like the soils there if you dig like we did probably close to 20 or 25 test PS throughout the site. It's all sandy soil
except for unluckily or luckily whatever we found those areas where we had the fill. So mean the soil itself percolates at a rate of like about close to 20 in per hour. So I in my professional opinion I don't see like it's going to
spill. Of course it can happen if it's a very severe storm. So for that we can always put some kind of a trench drains or whatever to capture that water but it's not going to happen like in any rainfall event because these systems are designed to meet the runoff reduction as
required by D. Mr. Khan let me ask you a question in terms of these trench drains. So the concern I think of the uh board engineer is about the spillways that that that could potentially bring water to another site. If you put these trenches in will that alleviate that
problem? Will that act as another fail safe uh to prevent that from happening? Yes, we can do that. Yes. And your your design does does comply with the D stormwater management regulations. Correct. Which did change by the way between the time couple of times. Couple
of times they changed between the initial approval in 2022 and today. Um I'm assuming you can work with Mr. Razamovitz to demonstrate to him that by putting in these additional trenches uh that that will alleviate any issues with
respect to these backyards. Sure. Okay. I I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is excuse me Mark brought out that you've already had multiple TRC meetings. This was brought before your attention by the engineer and you're coming here before this board
for a final approval and it didn't even meet what was spoken about and again the board wasn't there but you didn't even meet that. So how would you expect this board to approve something that if you had multiple meetings and you guys didn't get together on an answer?
May I comment? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. We have multiple meetings and every time we made the change, we always submit a electronic copy and we get the comments back from the border engineer's office and we address those comments. This comment, if I look at the report, I
don't see any any of these comments about the spillway. And one thing again, I'm not saying that it's it's a valid comment. I fully agree with that though. But this comment was never raised before uh today. None of the reports that we
have. And then again like let's say after our January meeting and that's the reason we had our January meeting we had this design from I would say for a long time for last couple of years then in January there was an idea that okay what about if we combine the three houses
into one system so we went back and we did a lot of effort going back there to work on that concept layout which of course was shared and again we got the feedback and one of the feedback I mean uh I believe it was through an email was again what we need to do next and again
when we compared the two systems based on the comment uh after January's meeting January of this year's meeting and this the system that we designed of course we updated it based on the DP regulations and based on those comments and I believe I mean I mean again we
will work with their office and we can address these comment but again I don't think so it's such a big issue that uh the board has to wait to vote or to make a decision because every time we made the change and we I mean we send an
email out and we wait for the comments back once we get the comments back we address those comments we send it back to them for review so this over spillage and overspill and this thing this is the first time I'm hearing in this well that's why we have these meetings when things come out so let's let Mark finish
his his comments in case we have any other stumbling blocks again just for the record this is my third review ladder Um that comment goes back to the first review letter. Um um another concern is you have easements on
adjoining properties for lot 203 has an easement on lot I'm sorry 20.03 has an easement on 20.05. Again the concern is now you got a property owner having to get onto another property owner's property to do
that maintenance. Um and and and 20.05 5 puts up fencing getting into the rear yard if he has to do maintenance. Um I believe that's been again that is again back and forth between our offices. Uh I think that's been eliminated because
each house is on a separate they don't require any storm water easement with each of the other houses. Uh let me just double check that before I confirm that. Has any thought been given to downsize to three homes instead of four? how we
could accommodate our water problems from an engineering perspective. I don't. Well, we got an approval for four. So, okay. We got a preliminary for four. Well, then I guess we're going to make the drainage work, right? We're going to try to make the drainage work.
I I agree. Um, so how how are we going to achieve it? Mr. Chairman, I'm just We have four individual property owners here. We've talked about this surface water and drainage water flowing across from one down across two other ones.
Um, you know, it if if it gets built this way, now we have a a property owner having an issue with the enabling property owner over drainage systems that maybe got maintained, maybe not got maintained. What becomes of that? Is that gonna then you know I'm going to
have two neighbors knocking on my door showing up at a council meeting saying you know what do we do? I mean it puts the township in the middle of this issue between two adjoining property owners. Um you know how do we make that drainage
work better so that we don't potentially have two property owners fighting over storm water and I I agree I agree. How do we do that? And um I mean you know if if you got some
ideas I'd be glad to hear it. As far as you know the board you know Mr. Chairman I I'm certainly willing to work with their engineer to get this resolved. Um you know from what I heard tonight I think maybe we can get a little closer
to get this resolved. Um you know so I I'm So this the only thing that we're stuck on with this. Anything else in your review letter that needs to be? They basically agreed to meet the other comments in my review letter. Um, at one time we talked about
having a homeowner association out here. You know, it's only for property owners, but you know, that may be a route to go and and you know, I'll just throw it out there for our attorney. If um if if I was able to meet with their engineer,
let me back up. Should the board approve it tonight with the condition that we meet and work out this drainage? If if a if it became like a homeowner association for the four individual lots, is that trigger coming back to the board
or I mean just for an HOA? It it depends on the language of what we say is supposed to happen. So if they need to create uh you know storm water management to your satisfaction, we can say including the creation of an HOA if
necessary. I mean, that's all we I mean, it's not, you know, but the board has to be comfortable with that being a possibility. If when you do your analysis and you figure out what the best plan is and the best way to have the maintenance handled, you know, I would agree an HOA while a little
unwieldy um is better because you've got multiple people who are stakeholders trying to make sure the entire system's working as opposed to just relying on each individual component making sure theirs is cuz you can get one person who does it and then what how do you what are the enforcement regulations for the rest of the people trying to make sure
the storm water? Mr. Chairman, I don't have an objection to and I think that's not a bad idea. I think that eliminates that problem of what if somebody doesn't do what they're supposed to do with respect to the storm water management system. So I don't have an objection to an association. One question I have like let's say if we go towards the drought
HOA sure then we need still need separate ONM manuals or operation maintenance plan for each house or it will be just one for an HOA kind of I'm not going to comment on something that we don't we haven't seen yet that you know if you have one basin and it's one
manual and it if it's an HOA then it would be one manual. I was going to say would could you create one system that's basins on each one of the properties and so it's a singular system with components on each property and the HOA is going to be what manages those basins because the you know you're going to
create an HOA to do something and it's going to have rights to enforcement rights over the basins. So I think you'd only need to have one reporting requirement at that point which solves one of the other questions you raised which was trying to get multiple reports from four different people.
Yeah. Yeah, that if that's what it becomes. I mean, I just want to ensure the maintenance of the system. Again, you designed it, it could handle the 100redyear storms, but as soon as a property owner gets in there and decides to create some more backyard, you know,
the township's not looking over the fences and and the only guy who gets hurt is the neighbor downstream, right? Um, so, so Mark, I I understand the HOA aspect, but how is that going to stop the water from flowing over to your
neighbor? It it won't that purpose of an HOA then if it's not going to remediate that issue. That would be the system needs to be revised. But if the revision now becomes more of a centralized basin, having one basin
maybe for four lots um as opposed to four individuals, I I just, you know, brought up that if if we did decide to do an HOA, does that have to come back to the board? That may not be the answer. That may not he may be able to design it with four individual basins
that all work and are contained within each property. Right now, there's easements crossing other properties with it. Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I think what what we can do just to kind of summarize, I think Mr. Khan will come up
with uh a a trenching system which hopefully will satisfy Mr. Razimovit's concern about the spillage that you were talking we were just alluding to. Um he thinks it will obviously our system does comply. So certainly that could be a condition of an appro of any approval
tonight. Uh and secondly, if a homeowners association is required, uh we're certainly willing to to do that. Um it may not be required, you know, based upon Mr. Razimovit's review, but it may be the prudent uh route to take.
And that doesn't deal with the issue of storm water management. What it deals with is make ensuring I think that maintenance is complied upon with with these four, you know, property owners. So that's understandable. Um, we still have other board members that may want to be heard on this. So, we're not going
to say that's that's, you know, that's what's going to be done. But, yeah, I I would just add that I I just wouldn't want it to be conditioned upon a trench system when I didn't get to see what the trench system looks like. So, we we can modify it, but I wouldn't want to be locked into, you know, what what the
attorney just mentioned. I'm not an engineer, so I don't I don't profess to be. So, does any board members have any questions regarding this application or what was brought? Mr. Tanzy, thank you, Chair. You know, my concern is, you
know, you spill it onto somebody else's property and from there it goes onto someone else's property and if you go down Mounts Mill, Mount Mill between 522 and 613, there's growth going on there
that is beyond my own imagination. And what happens with controlling all this storm water? Because you know, all you're doing is passing a buck off to one homeowner to another homeowner. There's a big retirement community back there. I
mean, I can I can give you the answer for that. Uh, if you look at the plans, it's not something that the water like it spills, it's going to go entirely on somebody's else's property. It's not the way it's created. What we did is at the common property line we created a swale
or a low point. So even if it spills it's going to go towards the street. So it's not going to go towards their house. In other words, there's a swale like this. So if the water spills, it will be carried into the swale and it's going to go forward. what we can do and
what the entrench system that I'm telling uh what I'm explaining is when we have this situation uh along the property line only along the property line nowhere else on their property we can put a trench system along the neighbors or the lower side of that
property line so there is elimination of completely like any like say if that uh soil gets filled up with an overflow first of all these pipes are solid pipes so they are taking the water directly from the system through the pipe and
tying into the municipal system. So it's not something that it's going to overflow. The overflow that I believe uh we were discussing is like if the basin itself spills. So again when the basin itself spills it's going to go in that swell and if you put the trenching along
the property line on the low side then any spill first of all it has to go it has to be high enough to overcome that uh uh uh soil and then if let's say if anything escapes there will be a trenching system that will capture that water. So, you're talking about just
along the property line. You're not talking about the entire lot. That roadway, excuse me, that roadway needs to spill out to somewhere. Yeah, it is tied into the city, I mean, the township uh storm water system and
wherever that storm water system leads or discharges, it will just go through that area. And one other thing that I want to also make it a little clear is based on the DP requirements there's a certain runoff that happens under current conditions which let's say is
all grass area or farm was a farmland under the proposed conditions we have to reduce whatever is currently discharging by a percentage for a 2-year storm it has to be reduced by 50%. we are not allowed to go or in other words let's
say if you're getting 100 gallons per minute discharge from the site for a 2-year stom we have to only discharge 50 gallons per minute so there are check and balances in the D regulations so we are reducing the rate that already uh
this uh the the street sees from this property which is vacant so and again so that's the that's the reason for this detention basin to accommodate any impervious coverage that's happening on site plus reducing the rate of flow from that site from the
existing conditions. Well, well, I I still see plenty of water coming down there. I've been down there and Mr. Tany, just when you hit it and the red light comes on, don't touch the button anymore. Hit hit it. There you go. Now, just move your finger. I see it now. uh you know I
I've seen water flowing down there at 613 all coming down to Mount Smill okay it's a running rivet here and you're absolutely correct and the reason for that is because a lot of like that area doesn't have a storm water system the existing properties they don't have any
system so what we are doing is we are basically reducing the rate the runoff from this site from these four houses so whatever currently Mount Mill sees the water from this site it's going to be reduced further from the existing conditions. Yeah, Mr.
Tanzy, we have a we have an obligation under the municipal land use law to make sure that we don't add any other additional water onto other offsite properties off of this farm and we have complied with that and you know there you may not be doing intentionally but
okay nature has a way of getting water to where water is already standing. No, I understand that. But we have to retain the water on our site to make sure that it doesn't impact anything downflow on Mounts Mills. So, I mean, that's one of our initial record initial obligations.
Okay. Any other board members? Seeing there's none, I'll open it up to the public to be heard. Anyone on the public wishing to be heard or to speak on this application, please come forward. Yes. Come up. Come up, sir. You come right up here. You're going to sit right where the engineer is. We're going
to shoe him away for a minute. I'm going to swing you in. All right, gentlemen. Let's wait till you get up here, then we'll get started so we can hear you. You settle in. I'm going to swear you in quickly, sir, just so any comments you might make are sworn. So, if you could raise your right hand for me. Do you
swear that any testimony you provide is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Absolutely. And if you could state your name, spell your last name, and please give us your address for the record, sir. Nathan Freriedman. F R I E D M address 206 B Mounts Mills Road. All right. Basically, of course,
I'm right next to this allocation of a new development. So, I have some concerns. I'll keep them as minimal as possible. Uh I guess I'm addressing them. No, sir. You're going to address the board. Okay. And if there's anything we need to do, we're going to go through the board and we'll discuss it from
there. Thank you. My driveway is 206 Mount Mills. It ends at Mount Mills Road. And from that location to the corner of Buckaloo Avenue, there is nothing. I assume the new 202 will
probably come out along that strip somewhere. My question is, will it be roughly halfway quarter way? Just so I know how close it's going to be to me. Council, before we go, is do you have a map of what year? Can we get it up on
that easel? Put up on the easel so we can also get the audience or whoever's here to see it as well. I mean, we have the equipment. We might as well use for the record. These are the exact same plans that were submitted. Yeah. Can you repeat your question? Yeah. My
driveway ends on Mount Smells. From my driveway to the corner of Buckaloo, there is nothing right now. I assume the new 202 will be somewhere along that strip. 202 means well uh you talking about the
property address. Okay. Yeah. Uh yeah, we have a driveway. We have two curb cuts to for the two houses on Mount Mills. And I believe if this is your house, I believe the next to the east of our property.
So, yeah, it would be to the east. Yeah. So, you will be at least close to 150 to 200 ft away. Your driveway will be 150 to 200 ft away from the first. Sir, could you just hold that mic up so we can hear you? Just hold that button to
turn it on. Yeah. Okay, there we go. So, if you can state again, how how far will his driveway be from the closest driveway from this project? Uh, let me try to give him. It's How many feet is it from my driveway to
Buckaloo? Roughly to Buckaloo is uh let's say 240. It's about I would say 550 to 600 ft. 600. Yeah. Approximately give or take. First one would be 200 ft. Uh yes. The first driveway. Yes. Uh, the
next question is, Mr. Freeman, I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. Just use the mic and we'll use your peripheral vision. You'll catch them. You're right. The next question is, how close for getting driveways will this development be to
the side of my house? I have many rows of trees. I believe I looked at my own deed and everything. approximately seven rows from my house would be the end of my property. Just tell me if that looks
based on the survey. I mean, I'm I'm assuming that this lot, let's say lot 19.03 is your property, I believe. Uh based on this survey, so I mean the property, the applicant's property is a triangular shaped property. If you look
at it, it's like this. It goes this. So whatever the trees on your properties, we are not touching that. We are not doing anything to that. And you have like this whole area uh I don't know the square footage but again as I mentioned about close to 200 ft and then the
closest point it's about 40 ft there. 40 ft but again to that edge like the triangular edge. Yeah. It's like a pie, right? Yeah. So 40t would be the closest that one of those homes would be. Uh yeah. from your property line to his
side property line. Correct. Side property line. Right. And how far is the how far is the proposed house to his house? Oh, that I would say is uh more than 200 ft. I believe it's
about 250 ft. All right. So, it's 250 ft from the closest house that's being proposed here to where your house is located, Mr. Freriedman. Okay. All right. The last question which I didn't even think of until I sat here and I
hear all the speculation about excuse me sewer lines drainage lines will there be any negative effect on the sewer lines from this development into the sewer line that I'm connected
to or a drainage prop actually we are making things better like if you look at uh currently your the sewer line ends on Mounts Mill Road. At this point, this is the end point of the sewer connection. What doing what we are doing is like we are extending this line along Mount
Mills and to Buckloo and connect each house directly into that sewer line. So, we're going to extend the sewer main. So, it really has nothing to do with my portion of that. That is correct. That's it. I'm finished. Thank you. All right. Thank you all.
You're welcome. Anyone else from the public wishing to be heard, please come forward. Seeing there's none, I make a motion. I need a motion to close public portion. We have a motion. Motion. Second. Second. Second. All in favor? I
I public portion is now closed. Any board members? Again, do we have any questions? Seeing there's none. Okay. So, we're going to put it to a vote. Does anyone have any comments uh for yay
or nay or any stipulations? Okay. So, Mr. Chairman, before you take about I I just so the board is clear, we will agree to a condition that Mr. con will work with your engineer with respect to
uh any I hate to use the word spillage because it's not probably the wrong term but any storm water issues that might affect other uh properties in that detention basin and secondly if we need a homeowners association and I'll leave that up to Mr. Razimovitz if he feels
it's necessary we'll we'll comply with that too Mr. chairman. Um, you know, based on what I heard, I'm I'm comfortable with working out the storm water. Um, but I have to add one more item with regard to the sanitary u the limits of the restoration, the paving. I
would just ask that um if you agree that uh uh the restoration limits to be determined based uh upon uh review by my office. Yes. Because I see you got some trenches and I don't know if this is the final design. Um but I'd like to work that out. We may need full width paving
curb to curb. Yeah. Yeah. This is not the final and of course we have to get the county also to tie into this plan. So yeah, we will work with your office. Mounts Mills Road is a township road. So Buckaloda County will dictate, but Mounts Mills um you know I'd like to see the plans. It may require full with uh
you know for the entire frontage wherever your sanitary is going. Sure. Yeah, we'll work with your office. But we'll review that. Yeah, Mr. Chairman, again, I'm I'm comfortable working out the storm water uh as a condition of any uh final approval here. Okay. So, Mr.
Saxs, um before this board makes a uh a determination, you fully agree with all Mark's request and his his his uh what he's requesting and Mer as well. Yes, sir. Mr. Chair, and if we need to do anything other out of the ordinary, you agree to abide by it. Correct. We'll do
it. Yes. Correct. Okay. board members. You heard that, Mr. Loopa. Yeah, it's really a lot of back and forth. You know, I was like this close. I said only just these guys come back and let's table this. But, uh, you know, I'm going to go with it and I'm going to approve this under the stipulation. I want to be
on record that this project does not go forward until this man over here, our engineer, approves everything. And that's the way it has to be, Mr. Lup. That would be we we certainly will comply unequivocally. That's what it has to be. So I rather not have you come back and you know and then we have to do what we have to do any right now. So
let's just get it over with. So my it's my motion to approve this application under these terms. Exc with the uh with our planner but I think she I think you are okay with all that Mike Ma. Right. Well unless something changes with with how they change things and that's going to
trigger ma but they have to comply with all of them. Correct. Okay. Any do we have a second? Second. Second. There's a second by Mr. Masters. Madam Secretary, roll call, please. Mr. Lup, yes. Mr. Masters, yes. Mr. Tanzy, yes. Based on what was just said,
Mr. Jaffy, yes. Mr. Jadis, yes. Mr. Vagani, yes. Chairman Lefa, yes. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Members of the board, good for the evening. Thank you. Now you got Mr. Toto again.
You're only allowed up here once a night. Sorry. You use your turn. You got to got to plan better next time, Walter. Okay, next application. While they're clearing out, just so you guys get ready or ladies,
BA-5250-24 Icon Electric LLC. Okay, that application is is ready. Mr. Chairman Walter Toto on behalf of Icon Electric LLC. Uh tonight we are seeking
uh a use variance uh for this site which is uh developed with um two buildings. It's currently the site of Icon Electric's uh contracting office. They're electrical contractors. Lewis Dwarte uh is the principal of both
Icon uh and the owner Domistr LLC, but Icon is in fact the applicant. And what's being proposed tonight is a uh whole barn of approximately 3,200 square ft uh on what is essentially just over 3
acres of property. It's in the rural residential district, RRLP. Uh and uh pole barns are not a uh are not permitted uh in the zone. Um little runs a very clean operation. I
don't know if any board members have had the pleasure of visiting the site, but it is one of the more impressive sites that I've been to. I don't say that very often uh with a lot of my applications, but uh he certainly runs a a clean operation and it's pretty impressive what he's done on the property over the
years. The pole barn itself is looks literally like a barn. He's purchasing it uh from uh an Amish group uh in Pennsylvania. Um Mr. Chairman, I did send an email. I didn't tell Miss Alleski this, but I did send an email. We just saw a picture. We don't have a
picture of the pole barn itself, just uh very non-colorful uh renderings. I'm not sure if if we're able to pull that up, but it's not essential or critical to the application certainly, but it's it's worth noting that uh in this rural area,
uh the the pole barn will look literally like a barn. Uh and that's done on purpose. Uh Lou was one that has a he has a good aesthetic uh for keeping things uh in good shape, in good condition, and and visually uh pleasing.
Um I we have both Miss Aft's report and Mr. Razam Moit's report. We're prepared to address those. Uh I have three witnesses. I have Lewis Dwarte who's the principal of the company. Uh Share Ali is our engineer from Ammeritech. And uh last but not least, Mark Ramza once
again uh to review uh the planning proofs and go over the planning proofs. So without further ado, oh and we did submit an affidavit of service and publication. Almost forgot again. You're doing great. You're doing great. You caught yourself, Mr. Toto. and and I did review your affidavit of service and
publication and the board has jurisdiction. Thank you, Mr. P. Hello. You're welcome. So, Mr. Chairman, without further ado, uh uh Lewis Dwarte uh will now testify on behalf of the apple. Yeah. Lou, why don't you come up and sit right here? If you could raise your right hand for
me, Mr. Dwarte, you swear the testimony you're going to provide is the truth, all truth, and nothing but truth. Yes, sir. If you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your address, please, for the record. Lewis Dwarte. Last name is D U A R T E. My address is 48 Hoffman Road, Monroe Township, New Jersey.
Lou, how long have you lived in Monroe? Going now on 18 years. And with whom do you live at 48 hot? My wife and two kids. Okay. Uh what's your and your relationship to the property owner? Dom Christ and Icon is in fact you're a principal of both companies, right? Yes, sir. And you and your wife are equal
shareholders in those smart man. Um uh so Icon operates its business from 31 Hopman Road, correct? Yes, sir. Okay. And what type of business does Icon conduct? It's an electrical business that, uh does several commercial jobs, small industrial, some residential, but
that's pretty much it. Just commercial work all over the state. And Icon's been in business for how long? Since 2011. Okay. Let's talk about uh before we get into the the need for this application, Miss Poleborn, just with regard to day-to-day operations at the site. You
have is it 12 employees? It ranges. Yeah. Anywhere from Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Okay. And how do things occur? Do the employees come to the site? Do your guys take vehicles to the jobs? How does it all shake out? Uh all all employees have their own
vehicles that they go from home directly to the job site. All material gets ordered at the end of the day and all material gets delivered to the job site. So there's no stopping at a supply house. There's no stopping going to Home Depot. Material gets ordered at the end
of the day, gets delivered to the job site. When the job ends, some of that material winds up back over there. So once in a while, if there's leftover, we'll deliver to the job site. When you say over there, some of the uh excess material, correct, ends up back at 31
Hoffman. Correct. Okay. Um, and how about office? What what's the extent of the office here? Office, there's I'm in there. I'm usually on the road going from job to job. I have my wife and uh two people in there that it's literally part time. They're not there all the
time. The other second person is also going in from job to job. He's like a project manager. Goes from job to job and then he comes in, does some paperwork. So, mainly there all the time. Literally 32 hours a week. There's one person. So the hour the days of
operation Monday through Friday. Yes, sir. No weekend hours? No, sir. And then hours during the week 7 to 3. 7 to 3:30, sometimes 4:30. Anywhere in that range, but largely 7 to 3, but on occasion you'll say to 4:30. Yes. And who would
who would be there until 4:30? How many employees? Uh that would be me or just the other guy. That's it. Okay. Uh so there are two structures on the property obviously. One is a one-story masonry structure. Is that where the office is located? That's correct. Okay. Any idea
the square footage of the office? I know Sheree has it, but it doesn't I wouldn't know if Okay. Um, and there's a storage building with an attached garage. Uh, existing. What is in the existing storage building? So, uh, extra vehicles, vehicles that we don't need
every day. Uh, you know, just some materials, you know, just regular stuff that I operate with the business every day. How many council? Can I ask a question? Sure, Mr. Chairman. Of course. Um, if everyone's going to the job site, what are all the vehicles that is location for? How do they get out to the
location? Sure. Say it again. I'm sorry. If all your employees are going with their personal cars to the job site, no, no, not personal cars, company vehicles. Oh, so they're going to your location, they have they take a company vehicle home and then they go back and forth.
The company So, they're traveling with company vehicles. Yes, sir. Okay. Yes, sir. And then in in in the barn there's extra vehicles. There's vehicles that we don't need every day and if it's necessary, one of them will come by, switch it and take it. For instance, a bucket truck or a heavy duty truck
that's necessary at a job. So they'll come in during the day, pick it up, and then bring it back. So there might be occasional trips to the location to pick up once a month, twice a month. So, like a ditch witch, anything of that nature that's going out or like a bucket truck, like a heavy duty truck to deliver
heavier tools or something like that that won't fit in a small work van. Okay. Lou, what's the extent of the vehicles on site? Uh, or in the company itself, whether they're home, whether they're at the employees homes, whether they're in the in the in the in the
garage or whether they're parked outside. What's the extent of the vehicles that Icon owns and equipment? Uh how how many you mean? How many? Uh there's about 15 15 vehicles. 15 16. Okay. And we got some trailers and stuff
like that. And of the 16, can you break down what those vehicles are? What types? Yeah. So they're um the regular work vans like a 1500 2500 work van, the regular vans that you guys see out on the road. Uh then we have a a regular pick pickup truck like a duly heavy duty
to haul a trailer. Uh then we have a bucket truck to reach light poles on a on a on a parking lot stuff like that. Then we have uh enclosed trailers to uh hold stuff at a job site. If we need if
uh if the job is starting off off the ground and we need to take tools or equipment, this trailer will go to the job. Everything will be stored inside that trailer until our job is done and that trailer will come back to go inside the building. You have any ConX boxes on
your property? Uh, yes I do. Well, let's let's let's conx box. A container. Yes. Cuz there's two we can the work boxes some people call those are jaw boxes. I'll talk about a conx box. Yes, containers.
Yes, we do. Yes. Okay. So, what is the what is the purpose of the pole barn? just to store extra material, extra tools, stuff like that, extra vehicles, just extra stuff that's all. Okay. Having said that, operations on site or with regard to the business are not
expanding per se, but just the need for the pole barn. That's correct. Okay. Um, and will you connect utilities to the pole barn? Uh, yeah, I would like to connect uh electrical if it's it would be possible to Okay. Some lights in there. Uh you're proposing a 12x50
loading area uh in the front of the proposed polebar. Uh obviously that's for loading, but what types of vehicles would be coming to the site? Like a regular like a regular uh uh box truck, like a 16 ft box truck. So when we start these electrical jobs, these uh
commercial jobs, we usually have to buy an uh lighting packages in advance. we need to purchase say I don't know $50 $100 worth of lighting so we don't send them over to the job site and gets okay they'll drop
off one piece tomorrow another piece another week another piece I prefer bringing them over to the office like that I know where everything is at and uh I I then store it until it's ready to go to the job and these third party vendors who operate these 16 ft box
trucks they know and will know not to uh bring anything larger to the site. Any larger vehicles to the site? Yes. Yes. I make it very clear when when these deliveries come, it's usually we call a supply house. By the time we call a supply house, you getting deliveries
from FedEx, from Amazon. It just comes from everywhere and it's the small trucks that you guys see out on the road every day. Now, Share, Mr. Ali from Amatech has prepared the site plan and he's showing five spots for overnight parking, which is not otherwise
permitted. And I know from the 2004 resolution that Ultra Tech received, which I'm not sure was ever perfected, they uh agreed not to not have overnight parking, but your request is to allow for five spaces, five commercial vehicles to be parked overnight if need
be. I if it's doable. Yeah, if it's doable. Okay. If it's doable. Um Okay. Icon is the only tenant or user of this site, correct? And you're not proposing to lease any part of the property or the buildings or the pole
barn to any other party? Yes, sir. Okay. Um, Mr. Chairman, nothing further for Mr. Dwarte. Bring up your neck. Uh, Sharief. Yes. Move. Yeah. Lou, you're good for now. Thank you. Unless you're summoned.
Yeah. If you could raise your right hand, Mr. Ali, do you swear the testimony you're going to provide is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. If you could state your name, spell your last name, and give us your address, please, for the record. Uh, Sharif Ali A L Y. Sharif, your license is in good
standing. Yes, sir. We'll accept this credential. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Fire away, Sharif. All right. So you uh you see on the uh screen uh the cover sheet uh sheet one of two and
that is the existing what you see there on the screen is the existing condition. Uh so the site from a site planning uh it really there's not much for me that uh I have to do there was just put a
boulevard of 3200 square ft just about it. The existing parking lot in the front area the access to the site uh the uh eight parking spaces uh the landscaping. It's a beautiful site. If you go there, you you you will
see uh it's wellkept, very proud of the uh the owner. He's very very successful. Um and we need more uh of this client be in town. Very very successful people.
So the uh if you drive by the site, you won't be able to see the existing building uh because it's already screened. You have uh steep slope in front of the uh between the parking lot and the uh
existing road. You have a fence. You have massive trees. So you you probably get a little bit of the building as you come in uh or you going east. you're traveling on the road, but once you get to the frontage of the site, you won't be able to see
the building. As well as the storage building, you may hit the roof, but it's on much lower elevation. Uh you probably, if you count each one of the contour line that you see uh on the map, you're probably more than 20 of them.
So, the the storage and the driveway takes a a nose dive and takes you all the way down. So, uh, the site, uh, there's a history there. It used to be somewhere around 9
to 12 acres. And, um, back in 96, there was a site plan, uh, application memorialized and approved back in 98 of cutting the site into three lots.
each lot three acres because that was a zone in place 3 acres. Um, I have a strong belief that the area of Monroe there, um, when the site was developed back in ' 61, uh, with the buildings that you see and
the storage, um, they were probably back in the R60 zone. Uh, because we never had, uh, my recollection on a 3 acre zone was back in the 80s and then it went up to 10 acres to stop people from
building. in that part of federal road and Hoffman station road. So what you see is a product of probably 1961 that's what you see on site. So in in 96 and uh Mr. Ram will probably elaborate more on
that um the site was cut into 3 acres. So as a result of that uh most of you have a list of 14 variances that we have on the cover sheet only two of this 14
that it's a new ones all existing pre-existing variances. Um, so that's what we have out there and uh obviously the the site is on septic and well even
though that there is a water line now that runs along uh Hoffman station route. So I'm not sure if the um got the benefit of that but I believe it there the site is unwell and you heard that
um at most will be uh three or four employees there. Um that trash enclosure enclosure happened to be in the front yard. That's a pre-existing condition. The parking spaces same thing in the
front yard pre-existing condition. the building and the setbacks, the area, the all pre-existing condition. So, the 3200 square ft will be placed on an existing gravel
area. We are not cutting trees. It's just an open area that has been used for a long while outdoor storage area. And the barn, you heard that whatever is outdoor will be inside
the barn. So that's the purpose of the barn. So um the architectural um before we get into the architectural of the barn the ordinance um based on
the uh requirement of which be very very close to what we have here light industrial use um has a set of requirement the end of the day is that based on the requirement and the square footage the existing and future uh
square footage of the buildings will require 17 parking spaces. What's out there is eight in the front and five around the existing storage uh building. And by the way,
that storage building is somewhere around 4,000 square ft. Uh the building in the front is about um 3152 square ft. out of that you have 752
square feet what we call it office. So but to meet the requirement of the parking back to the parking um what we did is that within a parking area we added four more parking spaces.
They're really not necessary because you heard the testimony that at most you will have six to 10 employees. They already have 13, but the reason we added the additional parking spaces, one for
80, one for ADA. So, we figured I will add two more and meet the ordinance requirement, but they're not really necessary. What's the size of the uh parking spaces? So, all the parking spaces out there uh from day one, they're 9 by8.
Again, that's a pre-existing condition. And the new ones as well will be 9 by8. And the new one will be uh running along the uh curve line. Uh the existing edgy pavement will be 9 by
23 do more like parallel parking. Okay. Um so that's as far as the parking the breakdown of the building and uh there is no need for additional landscaping with the exception the area to the uh what would be to the west there is a gap
there and we agree that they filled a gap with the same materials. Um the surrounding most of the area 3 acres that were all cut back in the '9s. uh
single family. Um the area to the east belongs to me of sex county. So we'll be green and forest for forever. So again, you know, the site is
very well screened and the operation there, you should go there at any given time. You're not going to see more than two or three cars parking there. Very, very quiet operation. And you heard the hour of operation is from 7 or 7:30 to
3:30 or 4:30. Uh no work will be done during the uh weekend. So that's very nice. Uh that gives more respect to the neighbors. Um lights, what's out there? uh the
lights around the buildings and we like to keep it that way. You just show some respect to the neighbors and not to have that parking lot that uh you got a lot of lights, you know, and illumination there. And it works and it's been working since the 60s. Um so we like to
keep it that way. We don't want to add any more lights. Um, so the um the Bullborn, I wish they have a better name than that, but it's uh 40 by 80. It's
actually a nice looking B uh ball. Uh do you have uh we Well, we have it on on the phone. I don't want to hand enter my phone into evidence. Listen, I need a new phone. Um, Lori, I this is a crazy Lori, you're
not able to access emails and put it on screen, are you? Okay, there. So, that's the message that I get from uh Looks like white paper from here. Blame the Amish for that. Yeah, you can't see anything.
Where's that single page? Any sort of boarding flavor talking about You clip it up there. They may be able to zoom in on it. Uh it see here. Yeah. It
says A1. Sure. elevations. Yes, sir. Uh A2 floor plan. You want to pass it around? No, no, no. Put it Let's try to put If we can see it, fine. If not, just pass it around real quick. I don't think you will see it. Just pass it around. We really have
to pass it around. Pass it around. [Music] But we have it on the phone. We can pass the phone around. Yeah. If we get the phone, we have it on three phones. No, no, no. That's That's what's we have it on three phones. So, we can pass the
plan. Chairman, while they're passing that around, uh 40 by 80 pole barn, do you have the height of the pole barn? No, but typical pole barns that we did in town, they really don't exceed 28 ft
in height. So, we definitely be below that 35. 35. Yes. Uh so we'll um this is a plan we get from the uh Amish so they don't show height certainly under 35 mark and I think we're yeah so less than 35 less than 35
less than 35 and the you could see that they very very conservative they they don't like to spend too much money on ink and that's what you get you know it's very very faded by it's it's you know save the environment and that's
what they are The Amish sent an email. I am too. I'm not sure. We're not sure how that happened actually. No, that that that one we got it all uh online. Mr. Mr. Toto, architectural plans were never submitted, right? No, this is this is all we have. Okay. Uh this is the floor
plan, the proposed floor plan, and then the uh the elevations. That's it. Yes. Keep going. Keep going. All right. So, um, chairman, is there a second story on this? Sharie, second floor, I should say. Yeah, we
could do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. Mr. Chairman and Mr. Benolo if you um I'm asking the chairman and for a legal opinion if I if I were to present the board just with a
screenshot just to say that this is what we can prevent we can present a colored photo subsequent to the hearing but this just a quick pass around this will be exhibit A3 this is A3 I'm going to
need so going through that right now just Uh, what is this? Mr. To, you'll provide a copy of I will indeed. Yes. Before the end of tonight and go home immediately send it. Yes.
Applicant consent. If it comes out. Oh, wait. We may be able to get it here. Oh my gosh. This is ridiculous. Oh, wait. That's a little bit back. Ah, there you go. Don't move, Mark.
Do you understand the rest of me? We'll take a recess more. Stay there, please. So, yeah, that's that's what we're looking for. It's not the uh metal one. Uh it's all made out of wood. You know what I'm saying? So, it it showed that was a staircase
inside. Is there a second floor? Yes. So, I was about to say that. So I do have a sheet second sheet of the architecturals and it's showing the height too on that one. Uh 13 ft is the
Oh, that one works. see the uh the elevations. So, uh Mark, yes, there's a second floor. Um the uh the clearance on the first floor is 13 ft. on the second
floor is 8 and change 8 and 2 in. So it's 21 ft. Uh and then you have a very low roof which looks like about 3 ft. So the total is somewhere around like 24 which is typical of uh ball barns. They
don't really exceed 28 ft. But yes, there is a second floor. That one is much better. You can see it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that is not the first one.
So, pretty quick the the reason for um so as a result of that 3,200 square ft of a building uh you will get uh two variances. One for building coverage uh the building coverage um it goes from uh
five in the existing close to five and we increasing that by 3,200 square ft. Uh but at least we removing gravel and we adding building clean water dairy water. Uh and then on the impreious coverage is
that we have 2400 increase. So we shaved about a,000 from the gravel additional thousand. So that reduced the uh uh the increase uh
from 32 to 24. But the end result on the impervious coverage what what's out there now close to 31 uh% we're going to be a little bit above 32 uh.4. So very very minor. Uh the area of disturbance
is about less than a quarter of an acre. Uh which is a lot less than what the state um roll you in a major storm water development. And as far as the increase of previous coverage, you heard me saying the increase actually
0.06 acre which is less than a quarter of an acre. So we not into a major storm um uh water uh requirement here and compliance. Uh but the benefit of this
here we're taking dairy water and we uh putting clean water that comes out of our roof. This is the in my opinion this is the only two variances that came about from that ball barn. Everything else is pre-existing.
One quick question. Was the second floor calculated in the square footage increase for the pole barn? So your your parking calculations based upon the footprint of the pole barn, not the second floor, correct? Yes. So you may need a parking variance.
Um, yeah. I'd ask. It's uh I wanted to be a planner. Yeah, it's very tiny second floor, but yes, there is a second floor and that will be an increase uh and that will be
a need maybe for another two or three parking spaces. Um but again, you know, the testimony is given that at most you'll have 10 people coming in and the all employees. Nobody from the public is
invited. There's no sale. This is just a typical contractor site in and out with small vans. Um, so there is really no need for more than like 12 parking space.
Sh will you submit a lighting plan? Ultimately, the there the only light uh that we have is above the doors. Okay. For the bullb barn, but we like to keep it that way given that we in a single family area.
And um it's been the parking lot has been in existence since the 60s and it works. So uh our testimony also we talking about uh probably in the winter time 3:30 will be shutting down in the
summer 4:30. So there is no need for lights. There is a gate there and I believe the gates uh they close the gate. So, uh, nobody will be going there at night time. Okay. Miss or after dark. Sure. Miss Ay mentions in her report uh
that we should confirm the height of the existing fence. U the chain fence. Yeah, that that's an existing chain link fence. It's 6 feet. It really cannot be more than six feet. That's what's out there.
And with regard to Mark's report, any any issues? Can we comply? Mr. Rosenote uh the as I indicated that the
um we removing we putting the ball barn for the most part on top of the existing uh gravel materials. We're not removing trees. [Music] Um it again uh we are replacing the
dairy water for motor vehicle travel way by uh a ball uh clean roof water and for that reason item [Music] number 3F uh an environment pack statement shall
be provided and would like to ask for a waiver. Other than that, we'll uh we'll work with Mr. Razimoit's office as far as the rest of all the other items. So, we're asking for a waiver from the the environment back. One item
also is that uh we may need to talk about that. Uh item E 3E uh concrete curb, sidewalk improvements along with the right of way
dedication, road widening, street lights, street trees, drainage uh shall be installed along Hoffman Road. We would like to get away from that. We in a 10 acre zone there is no
hardly you will see a curb in a 10 acre zone and most of the 10 acre zone is one lane and would like to keep it that way. Um so there's no sidewalks in the 10 acre zone uh my collection uh with that
in that part of the town. Um so we'd like to keep it that way. Um, and I believe your board back in ' 04 uh agreed to that.
And the money part, the contribution, I'm not sure if the contribution was given Monroe cashed on that or not, but it was already given to Monroe or um that's what it says in the resolution. But now you're asking for a we're asking for a waiver. We're asking for a waiver.
And as far as the right-of-way dedication, um, we need another 8 1/2 ft. So rather than giving a ride ofway dedication and reduce a lot from 3 acres to less than 3 acres, we like to do um a ride ofway
easement because it's always steep slope there anyway and a fence and trees. So will be um will be very difficult to widening that road. Uh but again most of Fer um Federal Road Hoffman that part uh
Monroe Boulevard is only one lane, no edge of pavement and just no curb, no sidewalk. As a resident would like to keep it that way. Okay. Nothing further for Mr. Ali. Let's let's bring up uh Mark the your cleanup
batter here then we'll get to all the questions. You could raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony going to provide us the truth, all truth and nothing but the truth? I do. If you could state your name, spell your last name and give us your address, please for the record.
Mark A. Rema 10 Dubbury Court Mount Laurel, New Jersey. Mr. Rem, you appeared approximately an hour and a half ago and qualified as an expert in the area of professional planning. Have your credentials been detrimentally affected? No, they haven't. Super. We'll accept
this credential. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, if I I'd like to address Peter's question about the parking variance because it's an important fire important item. Um the architecture shows it um 16 ft by 80 ft. So it's um
1,280 ft square feet. So um I'm working off of Mika's report uh let's see um May 9th of this year and she calculates that believe there's a requirement for 16 spaces and it doesn't account for
that second floor. So um it it would be another 1.6 if we round up to two. So that means it would be required to be 18 spaces according to the ordinance. And uh it shows proposed 17. So yes, there
would be a variance for one space. I thought one of those spots would be an EV space. Is that what the requirement is? I don't want to stop me peacemealing her her her work, but it's showing 16 plus one EV. Yes. So So you get credit
for the the one EV um under the current law. So um no, I'm just we're accounting for that. Yeah, you're accounting for that because that's 15 plus the one. Yeah. Yeah. So we're one shot. So So we're short. Yep. I just want to make sure you get what you want. Absolutely.
Absolutely. That That's why I figured to address that straight up front. Yeah, that could be a problem. All right. So, um we've heard a lot of testimony about the um uh proposed use, uh the uh description of the property.
Um the uh history of the property does go back to um 1961 uh back in the day when uh it was approved for uh manufacturing of electronic components. Um, and it was uh
used that way all the way up to um uh let's see, I have it 2004. 2004. Let me get to my my sheet here that has the Here we go. Yeah. Uh April 27th, 2004,
uh the electronic component manufacturing was discontinued and then it became another light industrial use. It was used for a heating and air conditioning oper operation like a HVAC mechanical um manufacturing. They fabricated duct work and things like
that. Um and now uh the proposal is for uh a similar type of uh contractor uses for electronic uh electric contracting company. And yes uh all of the variances uh that are associated
with this application rise from the proposed polarborn and shar talked about the um uh small increases in the maximum lot coverage uh uh uh the building is going from 4.94%
uh in the existing condition to 8.34% which is the proposed condition with the maximum building percented coverage and also the U maximum impervious coverage is going from 30.7% to
32.4% and what's permitted in the R FLP uh zone is 10%. So um there there are these two slight increases. And then the third variance uh arising from this is due to the second floor of the pole barn
which would require the additional two parking spaces. Um so I'm going to now dive into the u legal proofs uh the positive and negative criteria. Um there are several
special reasons that are promoted um u uh for the intent and purpose of the municipal land use law by this application. So um the first one is NJSA40 col 55D-2 would be C to provide adequate
light air and open space. Um all of the um uh uh setbacks uh related to the um uh proposed pole barn um uh comply with all those setback requirements and also
provide the uh sufficient uh air light and open space around the the pole barn itself. Um to prov next one is G to provide sufficient space appropriate locations for a variety of of uh uh industrial uses. This is this is a a a
light industrial use. Uh the property has a history going back to 1961 being used as a light industrial use. Um and has continued to be so up to the current day. Um and the other one is to promote
a desirable visual environment. That's I and the proposal maintains the existing rural uh nature of the site. If you go to the site today and pass on Hoffen Road, you barely see uh uh the buildings, they're low slung buildings.
The property slopes away from the the the roadway. And where the pole barn is going to be located is going to be uh located several hundred feet from the road and won't won't even be visible to the public. And you heard Sharief say that the additional landscaping
buffering to the I believe that it's the west side is going to be added to uh to add to the uh screening uh of the property. Uh J uh to prevent urban spraw and degradation of the environment. So essentially we're reutilizing uh a
property that's already been developed for light industrial use. Um, and we'll be adding a a a barn-like structure that will be compatible within the rural area. Uh, M uh is to promote the more efficient use of land. Um the uh storage
uh uh is needed uh for the operation and clearly um uh continuing this uh light industrial the property uh for this uh contracting business um will provide the efficient use of the land. Sh described
that very little is being changed. no uh trees are being uh um knocked down to provide for that. And he's uh said that he's going to be re reutilizing parts of the gravel area uh for the uh the pole barn itself. And
then a uh given uh the foregoing factors I I believe it promotes the public health, safety, morals and general welfare. So the second part of the positive criteria is is this site suitable to accommodate this u uh
poleborn? Uh I believe it is u the the site has been at light industrial use for a very long time. Uh uh and the addition uh is going to be um uh it's in a rural setting uh and I believe the
pole barn itself will will contribute to that rural setting. uh and there's really no uh uh change in the operation of the uh uh the business itself other than the need for the additional storage. There's no change in the days
and hours of operation uh the way the uh um u workers come to the property u storage of the certain vehicles on the property. So in in essence uh this is an uh in addition to the storage of
material on the property but not changing the overall operation of the property. So the the next one is the negative criteria and first we have to look at does this cause any substantial detriment to the public good with the focus on the surrounding
properties. Well to the north um is a is a residence across Hoffman Road. the uh residents will not see uh this u um uh proposed building uh because it's going to be uh downs slope and it's going to be uh buffered and screened by the
existing buildings and the uh the thick hedro that runs along the roadway uh to the east. Um I don't see any negative impact to the preserved farmland uh to to the east. That's all by the county. That's that's uh the
county has a farmland easement on on that. Yes, farmland preservation easement on it. Uh to the south uh is woodlands. So I don't see any negative impact to the woodlands to the south and then to the west that's where we have the existing
residents. um the uh if not with the additional landscape screening um uh there could be uh a slight impact of seeing a farm-like structure in the back of the building.
But I but I believe that the combination of the architecture, the example you saw, plus the uh uh evergreen trees that are proposed will provide a reasonable screen and mitigate any negative impact. Um so the last part is to reconcile with
the master plan. Uh the 2022 master plan sets out certain land use element goals and objectives and uh one is to promote industrial development in appropriate areas of the town. Yes, this is an RRP uh zone. Uh but this property has been
um uh in a um um light industrial use for over 60 years. And um uh I I believe uh because it's such a lowcale low inensive type of light industrial use that um it fits into the surrounding
area. Uh the other one is to promote the redevelopment and infill development. Well, we're actually continuing to to reuse uh the existing light industrial property and doing so in a very sensitive way. So I don't see any uh
negative impact to the um master plan. So in conclusion, I believe the uh use variance can be granted plus those three associated uh bulk variances uh uh for for the proposed use. Nothing further,
Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ma. We'll start with you, please. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um I want to clarify a couple of things. Um so in terms of all the list of materials that's going to be materials and vehicles that to be stored on site
uh would the applicant I tried to take notes as fast but would the applicant be willing to give us the number of vehicles and the type of vehicles and the trailers and um what did you call it the connect box or whatever you called it. Yeah all that would be provided. All
right, we'll do. Um, now in terms of parking, as per the land use ordinance, there are 18 parking spaces as testified to that are required, out of which five will be used as shown on the site plan for the commercial vehicles that will be
on the site. Correct. Right. So, um, essentially the site is going to only have 18 minus 5 that many spaces. Repeat that last part again, Mika, if you would. So if there are 18 parking spaces that are required from the site and five
of those are forever used for the commercial vehicles on the site is essentially how many parking spaces are you providing? So that's only for overnight parking if it's even necessary at all. Okay. So in during the day those vehicles won't be parked there. Correct.
Okay. So um and you would be asking for variance for commercial vehicles on the property, right? Yeah. So that's that's correct. You're right m that's another part of the I think it would be part of the use variance or another use var another D1 essentially so it's
associated with the it's associated with the use but it is you know like in residential zone commercial vehicles are not allowed to be par of the existing P1 so that's a variance all right
um there's no signage being proposed Louis is there a sign of the property No, the public doesn't come to the site. The employees know where to go. I think Lewis knows where to go. Okay. No, all kidding aside, I mean, no signage. No
signs. Now, just Yeah, just a street address. Just a street. Yeah. Yeah. Per the um site plan where the pole barn is going to go, there were two trailers shown and the site plan indicated the trailers are going to be removed. But I
did hear testimony today tonight that there are trailers on the site that are going to stay. Can we get a clarification on that? Be removed. Okay. So nothing is getting into the pole barn that are trailers or anything of that sort. No, the trailers will be removed. Okay.
Um the other variance I believe what that was noted in my memo is because the the loading area in front of the pole barn is going to remain gravel. It's not being paved. What's out there? Gravel. We stay
gravel. Yes. Okay. But I mean, currently there's no pole barn. So, it is gravel right now, just as extended. But you're not proposing to edit that and make it a paved parking area. Is that a design exception or another bulk? I believe
it's a bulk variance. Let me double check. Um yeah, it says it's in the 9.1 which is the parking zone requirements. It says for developments other than single family, any off streetet parking or
loading area shall be improved with um paved area. So So that would be the fourth bulk variance then. So yes, we acknowledge that. All right. Um sorry, I'm jumping all over the place, but I'm trying to follow along
the testimony that was provided. Um, in terms of the buffering that's being proposed along the western side, currently there's a single row of evergreens being proposed. Would you be staggering that? Because I know Mr. Ali said we might be compensating by adding
a little more landscaping there. Yes, it should be stag. Yeah. Yeah. So, you would be working to with our office to uh edit and provide some more landscaping there. All right. Yes, indeed. Yeah. Now, in terms of lighting, um I know the
testimony was given that there's currently building mounted lights, but and it works, but the parking is also being increased. So, even if they're building mounted lights, I'm sure the board engineer and I would like to see where the light is, you know, falling on
the site and where it is. I'm I'm cognizant of the fact that it's residential and this is not going to be used but that's today. It's a use variance. At some point the site is always now going to become commercial light industrial. We want to make sure
the lighting you know works. So you want to see the lighting planned. Yes. As proposed. As proposed. That's fine. And which which shows the the new parking area as well as the pole barn area. Understood. Yeah. Yeah.
In terms of parking sizes, the testimony was given. The existing one is 9 by8, but the new ones, which are essentially going to be the four spaces that are parallel along the office masonry building, is going to be 9x 23. So,
they're not meeting the 10x 20 requirement. So, that's variance. That's correct. Yes, that's number five. I'm not I'm not really sure if um we have in the ordinance um parking size
for parallel parking, but the n the 10 by 20 is for 90° parking or angle parking. So, I'm not really sure if it's going to be
uh a bulk variance or a design exception, but there is nothing in the ordinance speak that. Well, typically I believe the parallel spots are what 10 by 23, right? Uh well, uh standard uh
it's it's 8 by I'll give you an idea. South Brunswick, they have 8 by 20. Uh North Brunswick, they have uh 9 by uh 20. Uh but for the most part, most of the towns
out there, they like to see 22 23. And that's what we and we we happen to have. So talking about parking, we we're not really adding pavement. We're not adding the four extra spaces. It's just going to be striped within the existing parking lot. I think we should assume
for purposes of tonight, this is a variance. Yeah. Yeah. So variance talking about this and it works and it's Go ahead. Right. Talking about parking. So um the uh what's required 16, we added two more, right? So it's
18. What we have on ground is 17. And Mr. Chairman, you pointed out one thing about the EV. So we have one credit, one space credit for the AV. So we technically we have 18. No, with the EV credit, it's 17 spaces. Now we have plus
one. Yeah. No, we have we we have on the plan 17 space. Where's the credit? Will be 18. Okay. So is the variance off the table? You sure? Yes. Yes. Yes. Just want to make the record clear.
No, I'm telling you. So the the existing out there is eight and around the storage facility is uh five at 13 and we striping four more and then we get one EV grant. Very simple math. Okay. So
take one variance off the table. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um then in terms of the other testimony that was given uh that all these you know I understand the lot with and everything that's that's existing or pre-existing nonconformity that was
testified to um and I also heard testimony that the site has been used from 1960. So was it an approved site plan or how are we calling it pre-existing nonconformities? Well, I probably there was a three lot subdivision in 1998. Okay. So, I imagine
the board vetted it at that point. Whether that was planning or zoning, I'm not exactly sure. In 2004, I don't know if that plan was perfected. Uh I think that's the last time it was before the board. I have to think in '98 the board gave its impremature, so to
speak, and gave the approval uh for everything that existed. Otherwise, they wouldn't have subdivided it. Yeah. So I'd like to add to that. So in the resolution for uh 1998 it does mention that the facility I guess there was a testimony given that
the facility on the site was built back in ' 61 for uh electronic component manufacturing. So uh the site as exists is all pre-existing uh from 1961.
I think Carl Myers was the board attorney at that point. Carl Carl. Yeah. Okay. So, all the driveways set back and everything which are non-conforming. It's assumed that at whenever you're saying 1998 was a site
plan that was approved, right? Uh so it exists in 1961. 1998 the resolution recognized that it's in a resolution. Um, and the 98 resolution
was for the subdivision itself, taking the large lot, cut it into three lots. So, that's a 98 resolution. uh the 04 resolution that was for um a gentleman that he wants to have an AC
um operation and I'm not sure if whatever was asked of him in a resolution was perfected or not and one of them is the contribution for the sidewalk and the uh curb along the rideway.
Okay. Um, so by testimony, we're going to assume that these were all at some point approved, right? Existing. Yes. And we don't have a copy of the resolution. If you don't have one, no, it's okay. I
just want to make sure the testimony reflects that and it's recorded that all this was previously approved. In terms of the fencing, um, is any part of the fencing in the front yard? Yes, there is an existing chain link
fins. Um, and that is 6 foot, right? That is 6 foot. So, that's also a pre-existing nonconformity that was approved. Yes. Uh, that was recognized back in 98, I believe. And in all four
and the applicant intends to keep the chain link fence as is just Yes, there is a gate I believe too, right? That's correct. there is a gate and talking about lighting. So that that's the reason that when they shut it
soon as the sun um sets they they close the gate they out of there by 3:30 or 4:30 and there is no need for lights out there. Nobody goes there you know. I'm talking about the fence. But the fence too it's part of the gate. Yes. Along the road for security. I mean I'll leave it to board but typically I mean in a
residential area chain link fence is not something the township wants to kind of see. So uh along the front if there is anything um you know possibility of looking at or maybe um you know making the fence that's more um blends in with
the residential area. Is that something to consider? I'll leave it up to board cuz it's existing. Um the next is um question on the refues and recycling. Yeah. To say that again please. The next
question is on refuse and recycling. Um, that's going to be along the front yard, right? Right at the western corner. Uh, as you get in will be on the left side. That's an existing. Yeah. Um, how often
um are you expecting trash to be removed? And uh, can a condition be made that it only happens during office hours keeping in mind that you know um, how often and what time? Yeah. So, can we dictate more time?
If they show up there once a month, okay, to pick something up and it's usually around 9:30, 10:00. Perfect. Thank you. So, when I did the uh site visit twice, uh the trash enclosure was nothing now. It was empty. And the
testimony was given that two employees in the front or three at most. So, they only put a few hours and they leave. So most of the the garbage they take the garbage with them. So there is no really a household garbage or commercial
garbage but as was indicated maybe once a month on call. Yeah. Um and last Mr. Toto, if um the board was looking at this um to be approved, I
would really recommend that the architecturals plan be submitted during resolution compliance just to make sure everything is on sure. Just a couple of follow-ups. The so the parallel parking ordinance is 9 by 23. Okay. We have the citation and
the resolution in 98 um which granted the subdivision because of the intensification of the use because of the reduction in size it grants use variance in 98 and for all of the improvements on site as well. Okay.
Thank you. Yep. Well, what else? Oh, uh I just want to mention um the chain link fence along the road. Go ahead, Mark. It it's there for security. It's probably there for a very long time. When I visited the site, I noticed that the vegetation is very thick along the
roadway and I believe a lot of the vegetation has actually grown into the fence. So, it's kind of like part of the buffer. So, if you were to remove that, you'd end up probably having to disturb a lot of the existing vegetation to remove the fence. I I would say in this
case it's kind of well hidden by the um uh I understand the purpose of not having a six foot high chain link fence in in the rural uh rural residential area but in this case I think it's so overgrown it's really become hidden uh
and part of that buffer all right for the for the board's so I just wanted to you know give you that condition. Thank you Mark. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Um the electric vehicle space, is that existing or
proposed? The EV space proposed. Okay. It looked like it was existing. That's all. Um and that's just EV ready. Correct. Correct. Thanks. Um regard to my review letter May 9th. You pretty much agreed to everything and
we discussed the items. You didn't waivers. Uh I have no problem with the waivers that they asked for. Um [Music] and with regard to some of these existing conditions, you know, this application's been to the board a number
of times over the years as as they indicated. Um some of these existing conditions, they were there. Um you know, the fencing uh and the buffers that are along the front, they're minimal, but that that's
what's existed. Um, I would like to see though some buffering to the adjacent properties. I know you have a note on the plan and you've agreed to uh, you know, meet with our planner. Sure. Um, to fill in a gap, so to speak, but I'd like to see that just shown on the plan
wherever wherever you're going to put the trees. If there's two trees, 20 trees, whatever it's going to be. Okay, we'll show that, Morgan. That's fine. Um, and that's all I have, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Any board members have any questions? Mr. Lo,
second floor. What are your what's your intentions there? No, no. Uh, just storage or offices possibly or what? Oh, just storage. Only pure purely storage. And uh, as far as utilities, just electric, no plumbing. Just electric. Just electric. Okay, that was it. Okay.
Any other board members? I have a few things here before we go. Uh any port johns on the site for workers? No. No. You going to have a hoist in the in the poleborn to lift things up to that second floor? No. No. So, can I say can I say something? Of course. Sure. So, in
regards to this you pull the mic closer to you. Let's Sorry about that. That's okay. You know, I I I want to say some things, but sometimes I I hold myself back. So, in regards to the second floor, if that second floor is an issue, I'll get rid of it. The only reason for the second floor is the aesthetics. I
like how it looks. If that's an issue, I'll get rid of it right now. It's aesthetics. I just look. It's not your regular barn that you guys see. That is the only reason for that. It's costing me a lot more money that the wife doesn't know about. That's the only
reason. Now, she does. So does everyone else. That's and going back withdraw that to what about the fence situation. I agree with you 100%. I don't like that
fence. I hate it. I hate it with a passion, but forget what I said. I would love to take it out and put some night. So, I'm going to try to do if it's okay with you guys to put it on the inside to try to hide a little bit more. Like they mentioned, there is evergreens already
growing on it and everything and and you really can't see it, but on the one side it bothers me because I don't like seeing it there. It bothers me. So, I'm agreeing with you on that. Any propane? No. Any repairs are taking place? No.
Any welding? Any what? Welding? No. Any fuel going to be stored on the property if you have all these vehicles or portable equipment? Nothing? No. Any generator? No. Any emergency work after hours? Do you have any of that that guys might have to
come to the shop to pick something up? They have they have their own vehicles, so they go straight. So, they'll have everything on the vehicles they'll need to come for the most part in case we have a real emergency. Okay. I think uh from what we gather, we're going to bifrocate this
application. Am I correct with that? because no one's seen any diagrams of the building footage, lighting, this that as Mika mentioned, this is a use variance. So if you leave tomorrow, the next person can come in and we don't have provisions in place for them. Mr.
Chairman, can we uh bifrocate it but also have just make this use variance and preliminary? I'm going to Mr. chairman. Um, you're the chairman, but you sort of u not sure what and we're looking to bifrocate. I mean, it's pretty simple application.
Um, there's not much site improvements other than the pole barn. Um, the lighting, they do have a detail of the light that they propose. Um, you know, I would like to see the location shown on the plan, but that that's a typical ask of a of a site plan approval. Um again
with some of the buffering that we talked about again that's pretty typical of a preliminary and final site plan approval. So so not much is really going to change in between. So you know but you are the chairman. So no it's it's collectively done together. Mika are you okay with lighting and everything that
you've seen as you said if he leaves tomorrow another company comes in they don't have to put anything in. Is that correct? I believe so but like the applicant has agreed to provide us with the lighting. um you know um information illumination. We just want to make sure
there is sufficient lighting all around the parking areas that they're proposing. So is that a grant that you'll meet any comments they have for further review if it moves forward for Absolutely, Mr. Chairman? Yes. Okay. Any board members have any questions before we go to the public? Good. Anyone in the
public wishing to be heard? Please come forward. Seeing there's none, I make a motion to close the public portion. Second. All in favor? I. Okay, board members, you have an application before you. You heard from our professionals. You heard the testimony. Do we have a motion for yay
or nay? Make a motion. I'm sorry. Okay. Make a motion to approve subject to uh our professionals conditions. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Tandy. Second. Madam
Secretary. Roll call, please. Mr. Lupos. Yes. Mr. Masters. Yes, Mr. Tanzy. Yes, Mr. Jaffy. Yes, Mr. Jadis. Yes, Mr. Vagani. Yes, Chairman Lefada. Yes. Thank you very much for your time this evening. We appreciate your comments. Got to hurry up and do as
always discussion by Walters. Thank you very much. Um, don't move. We're going to go right to your extension. Okay. Thank you. Application. Well, you know what? You had two chances. You're out. BA-5231-22. You're requesting an extension. Uh, I am indeed. Uh, Mr.
Chairman, and on that application, uh, we've had just an endless back and forth with Middle Sex County with regard to the proposed sidewalk and how it'll connect with the adjacent property. We have cleared that hurdle and right now, the only thing that my client uh, needs
to do to perfect the approval is to post bonds uh, with the county and I think with the town and we need to post u provide proof of insurance as well. So, we're Yeah. Otherwise, we expire, I think, in in May of 20. We're asking for
a one-year extension. Uh, you're you're asking for an extension to April 27th, 2026. Correct. Thank you, Peter. Yes, you're welcome. Okay. So, board members, uh, you want to put this to a motion? We need a motion to approve and then we
need a motion. Okay. So, we need a motion to approve the extension. So, is there a motion to approve this extension? Motion to approve. There's second. Second. All in favor? I resolution. Now, we need a motion to
approve the resolution for this. Is there a second? Second. You want to do a roll call? Just deny. Mr. Lup. Yes. Mr. Gas. Yes. Mr. Tanzy. Yes. Mr. Jaky. Yes. Mr. Jadis. Yes. Mr. Beani? Yes, Mr.
Chairman Lada. Yes. Thank you again. I appreciate it. Three for three. This is a night I'm going to have to catch in stones. I'm not sure this is going to happen again, but I appreciate your time. Hopefully the Knicks aren't down by 25. Okay, board members. Oh, sorry. Public
portion. Anyone in the public wishing to be heard? Seeing there's none, public portion is now closed. All in favor? I. Good. Any correspondences? Motion to adjurnn. back. Oh, what resolutions do we have?
Still got record. Oh, memorialization. There's no resolutions to be adopted. Is everyone clear? Excellent. Thank you. It's on the record. Okay. Motion to adjurnn. Motion. All in favor? I. Next
meeting, June 24th. Have a good weekend.