Phill Hamilton Square Road Hamilton New Jersey uh I think Steve you were the original architect of this I am all right so so you have a knowledge of this H project um and you were accepted as a
professional architect at that time a decade ago uh have your credentials deteriorated any they have not uh Mr chairman I'd ask if you accepted accept CR architect Mr Mr Leon what is it going to look like it's going to be
gorgeous so much of my testimony has actually been covered by other testimony I'm going to just walk over to the drawings um these drawings have been all included in the board package there are no new exhibits so we'll make that pretty easy uh the the overview I apologize for my back the overview is
that um the proposed Edition is going to be nearly identical to the other three households as we call them or houses in in every way with one exception um that the introduction of balconies balconies
will be added to or proposed to the second floor uh off the second floor residential units on the proposed addition as well as the opposing um existing house uh that will also now incorporate uh Assisted Living
residences so other than that the footprint and the Aesthetics are nearly identical um again with the exception of the balconies so just to walk you through it this map will sort of give you an overview of uh an orientation we're talking about this particular footprint
here in the lower leftand corner we we affectionately call that house B um and this is the household that is being is being proposed the new footprint that's being proposed and you can see that it fills out as previous testimony has been made the uh the quadrant of the entire
um campus as originally um contemplated um the difference uh programmatically is that as you've heard in other testimonies that there's an adult daycare program proposed on the lower floor so this is sheet a11 which is the
overall floor plan uh of the ground floor first floor uh and you can see that uh what is colored in in this area represents that adult daycare program the primary entrance to uh the H the house is uh again identical to the other
houses uh sort of in this uh Corner uh area and there's one new uh proposed entry point for the adult day specifically uh that's proposed just off to the left hand side here so the main entrance um is as in
the other buildings actually uh is the entrance to the second floor for the assisted living and we'll just flip through this this is an enlarged floor plan uh if I need to go through any greater detail I
certainly will but you can see again that the all the areas have been colored in the adult daycare program uh that comes complete with uh activi Sports spaces uh uh sort of a fitness area uh nursing space uh for accomodating the
participants and um the building in addition to being accessed from a new entrance from the outside is also interconnected so you can actually um connect to the other residential houses and the remainder of the the campus that helps to serve food service housekeeping
and as well for residents that uh need to take advantage of the services on in this new uh proposed household this is the overall map of the second floor uh you can see we've colored in the the two floors that are affected again on the lower left hand is
the proposed new footprint and on the uh upper left hand is the conversion of existing resident rooms from long-term care to um assisted living the counts for the record mention the sheet number please I'm sorry uh this is sheet a
1.5 also labeled overall uh floor plan second floor um so as stated earlier the the difference you can see that the floor plans are all sort of all mimic one another and the primary difference being balconies on the second floor that
affects this floor plan uh this level floor plan as well and U not only is the proposed building footprint including balconies but we're going to be proposing the addition of balconies in the existing building as well so there is that's the the limit of the renovations to the existing building are
the exterior balconies and the conversion of these existing bedrooms to assist the living bedrooms the support uh facilities and services for both of these uh areas both households is in this sort of Center area we call that the knuckle for lack
of a better word uh which again is consistent with what we had done previously it also is mimicked on the existing side as well uh just flipping through the exhibits this is just again large scale floor plan of what we call household a
or building a uh which is the existing um building where we're converting long-term care bedrooms into assisted living beds the sheet on that again sorry a 1.6 labeled floor plan as
well and then we'll just go to that's the same drawing don't need that just an overview on the elevations of the facades and in this regard the materials the color schemes uh are
identical to the existing um you can see that we're using horizontal uh siding uh painting schemes will be the same um sort of an tannish off-white um we have burgundy trim around the windows again to match the existing a use of some uh
stone and you can see that um a good portion of the elevations are comprised of the what is really the attic or the roof form and that's done simply because we want to create a residential aesthetic uh so while the height we're asking for that uh height exception it
doesn't go any higher than what is existing it the intention Parker's intention is really to match the the existing buildings and to have a unified campus so it really there's no benefits trying to change any of that part of it again the only difference being the balconies and I think the other the only
other exhibit and I apologize this is exhibit a5.1 labeled exterior elevations and finally a5.2 which Aggregates all of the elevations these are these are done in pieces just to show you the straight on angle being that it's a bit of a
boomerang shape it's kind of hard to view it sometimes consistently across one elevation so this is the aggregation of those separate elevations no difference uh otherwise that's all I have anything else you want to say um no in your
professional opinion as a architect for 200 years this looks pretty consistent with the rest of the sites it's extremely consistent it's to our benefit to keep it that way why did you add the balconies Cel just use the microphone please I'm sorry
so if the question wasn't heard in your professional opinion is what's before the board consistent with the rest of the site yes it is okay and why did you add the balconies so that's a great point so adding the balconies was Parker's request to accommodate an
assisted living resident a little bit more so than perhaps a long-term care resident and that is to allow for access to the exterior to be able to quite literally open the door and get some fresh air and be connected to the exterior uh surroundings it's very common uh actually
um sort of um expected in an assisted living environment and Parker obviously wants to be consistent with that delivery of service uh and so at at Cost uh adding balconies to support that
terrific anything else you want to add no I think I'm done okay thank you and we'll be available for questions shortly our last witness Mr chairman is Mr Aaron carton I'd ask that he be called and sworn he's our professional planner put this one back
up good evening good evening sir if you could raise your right hand you swear the testimony you're going to provide is the truth whole truth and nothing but the truth I do if you could state your name spell your last name and give us your address please for the record my name is Aaron Carden last name spelled k a r d o n I work for tum Associates 11
Tindle Road in Middletown New Jersey and I think this is your first time in front of this board this is my first time in front of this board however I provide testimony amongst multiple boards throughout the state I am sitting zoning board planner in South planfield uh and my work for tnm associates I worked for
Middle SE County for 12 years reviewing development review and I've also stopped before multiple boards within the state I think certainly I've touched at least half the counties in the state in terms of my both my testimony and being acting as a board planner we'll accept his
credentials thank you Mr sorry let me add one more thing um I have my life I I am an aspp my license is currently in good standing good so uh again I don't want to get in your way but um what we what we need
from you for the for the board's edification is the justification on the under the New Jersey municipal land use law for the D variances and the bulk variances understood so if you would take it away okay well I first I want to
start by taking a look at the site in general uh we already had part uh the the representatives from Parker testify as they have said they are theyve been doing this for a long time this is adding to an existing site where within the municipality some of the items I want to
point out is that this is a very large site compared to the Zone it also has some constraints that will not be impacted by the development which is the wetlands in the three corners over here as well as existing detention basins which exist so really what we're dealing
with here is we're dealing with the unique unique size site which is over 13 acre which is over which is over 13 acres we're also dealing with the site that is well- defined and the placement of the new building is sort of the end and the corner piece of what was
initially propos what was initially conceived for the site I think that would really be the start in terms of giving a basic overview of what we're looking at now we have multiple variances which uh Mr Smith already went through I don't want to rehash that but
I just want to talk about the testimon for the board um the first item would be looking at this for the D1 use variants now I'm going to request to the board that we subsume all the C variance testimony into the D1 pursuant to poo versus North Brunswick however I also do
have an explanation of the C variances as well some of the justifications which what may add to the testimony just to some of them so we're going start with a positive criteria since this is a D1 use variance uh we can go one of two ways we can either provide that's inherently beneficial use or a non- inherently
beneficial use I'm Pride to testimony that this is not inherently beneficial use based on the fact that we don't have qut cases that prove that adult daycare is an inherently beneficial use despite the fact that both the nursing home use and the Assisted Living use are
inherently beneficial uses but these are all complimentary uses and its items so the first part of the Michi uh case is stating the idea of site suitability which meets criteria a of the purposes zoning within the ACT uh so the qu first
question that's asked is why the site is particularly suited despite the zoning so the existing facility has been operation for many years for 10 years operating as a nursing home this is going to continue within the site the site circulation and design is appropriate for this use specifically
and adding the New Uses to the site only will be enhanced by the fact that you have a complement to the existing uses that are on site in terms of the nursing care with an assisted living what's unique about unique what unique characteristics of the site make it particularly appropriate it's a large
lot within existing campus and building facility and the utilization of the existing site will best support the use to the current services this also fits a number of other purposes of zoning which is criteria G to provide sufficient space for a variety of uses the nursing
home and assisted living certainly fits the needs of the community it allows residents to age in place within the community as they need extra care and the addition allows specific phasing phasing between care needs on the site if you have an assisted living you have a nursing home and you have the adult
daycare it provides options for how the community can manage the the Elder Care within the township which will be an overall benefit uh in addition it's criteria L which is to encourage senior citiy community housing we're providing 31 new units of assisted living within the
municipality uh this allows for more senior air housing to be constructed and consolidates some of the Community Resources into the space as well in addition it's the efficient use of land the effic the all the construction will be on the existing lawn as I showed before and not requiring further clearing of any forested areas within
the site it's all going to be within the loop outside of looks like four parking spaces but certainly it's still on the loop for the site adult daycare is a service that has a benefit to the Aging wait sorry I got ahead of myself it also consolidates the operations of Parker onto one site as there is also the adult
daycare which is operating offsite at this point bringing together certainly provides certain levels of efficiency also like to address the negative criteria which is that the site will have no substantial detriment to the public good adult daycare and assisted living uses are less intense
uses than the skilled nursing home so if I upon the initial buildout if they were to propose the fourth Wing this is going to be less intense use the Assisted Living doesn't require the same levels of Staffing even though it's a 24-hour operation which also a nursing home is but also the adult daycare it requires
different service options so the building will be parts of the building will be not in service as much as it would be if it was all nursing home and part of the part of the services in terms of Staffing in terms of the level of service that's required can be
relaxed a little bit in in terms of its impact on the neighboring Community which certainly would be a benefit for the site versus if it was to be built out as a full nursing home facility in addition adult daycare is a service that has a benefit to the Aging population both in Monroe and the surrounding area
I I'll note that the median age of Monroe according to the latest American community housing survey from 2023 the 5year estimate is 57.3 years old which is greater both the middle sex County and New Jersey by over 17 years of age 38.9% of the mono population is 65 years
or older which in comparison to Middle sex County or and and New Jersey is is over double so milx county is at 15.7% population in this in this age bracket and New Jersey it's 16.8% so
this really is a focus it's a need within the community which this site will provide and will continue to provide the site is also large enough where there suff sufficient buffering between the neighboring activities now I know I'm also asking for variant regarding some of the buffering but part of it will be in relation to the
roadways in terms of how the buffering is sort of offset and that is really an existing condition that would that pre-existed and will also provide better services and movement for the site as well which I will also cover a little more when I'm going through the sea variances there's also no substantial detriment to the Zone plan so I looked
up the 2022 Zone goals and objectives for the master plan and the two goals that I found that really this fits would be goal one which is on page 20 which is to achieve a balance of land use types that maintain and enhance the quality of life of the township and also goal four on
page 30 which which mean which which states to develop and Implement policies that comprehensively address the needs of an aging population now the medi case also requires an enhanced quality of proof the first part of that is reconciling why the use proposed within
the or with with the ordinance's omission of the use from those permitted in the zone essentially why is this site appropriate for this use despite the fact that it was not conceived of In the Zone uh in addition for this lot specifically there's a large much larger lot than
what the Zone conceives it's again we're proposing a less intense use as well and the construction and layout of the SES more appropriate for this type of use than one would be permitted inherently in the use so to use this as Farmland when you already have three wings that are built wouldn't be appropriate especially with the environmental
factors to develop this as single family homes wouldn't make sense if we were to subdivide the property would all in terms of the the way the existing youth would work and we have difficulty making that work there's also no provision within the zoning ordinance to permit Assisted Living skilled nursing homes or adult daycare within any of the zones of
Monroe so while this might not fit a residential Zone specific specifically there should be Provisions within the zoning ordinance for this type of use and service within the community uh so also we also request a D2 variants for the continuation of the nursing home I'll state that many of the same criteria of the additional uses are
related to D1 use variants including meeting criteria G and criteria L of the purpose of zoning which I stated before and again there's no sub real substantial detriment to the use uh specifically with the expansion of the use because it provides extra services
to the site and rounds out the site versus expanding Bonet so certainly to have this as an expansion and non-conforming use we have an existing use within a site we're expanding less intense uses on the site so certainly providing a D2 variance would make sense
in this case addition we have the D6 height criter the D6 height variance So within that we need to meet uh two separate items for the two separate Provisions for the positive criteria the first provision is to prove that some benefit to the general welfare would result from the proposed height of the
principal structure and that the site is particularly suited to the location the height of the structure uh so again as stated before the height of the building either matches or is less than the other wings of the building it won't be noticed from any roadway if you look to
the South and the west of the site I took a drive around there today behind the site is is land owned by Parker that looks like it's some sort of Farmland there's also forested area to the site so the viewpoints from the surrounding neighborhood from the neighbors for the neighborhood would be really unsubstantial would be
wouldn't be substantial in that respect so certainly that would meet that criteria as well the provision two is can the site accommodate problems associated with the pered structure by a height higher than permitted by the ordinance in this case the height looks like the surrounding neighborhoods we
have residential it looks like a residential development looks like a larger residential development but is supporting a larger community and even if you take a drive around it's the same stylings it matches up and as the architect stated he was the original architect on the application and he
designed it to match what the neighborhood is consisting of so I also want to go through some of the C variances I've grouped some of them together just to make it better but again I'm requesting that we can also subsume the arguments as well but for with regarding to this this the scul the
sculptured burm in terms of the positive criteria which are provided as I'm providing this as a flexible c as opposed to a as oppos to the uh provision one which is that there's a hardship this is a large site so it should be able to accommodate a lot of items but certainly it does meet the the
uses and the requirements of the land use code or the land the land use the purposes of zoning so purpose I think that for the Z the burn specifically means criteria I which is good Civic design and that we're willing to put in
the burm but also as I drove by the site I noticed that it'll be if you provide too much of a burm at that point it's going to be tough to see the site itself and there is some Landscaping out there I also have questions of whether the way the land can support a full burm to what it is while we are certainly willing to
put in the Landscaping we certainly ask for some sort of variance on that I think that that may be helpful overall towards towards the development of the zone and uh the pros Landscaping right now again it's limited that you have you have up slopes it's right by detention Basin we can do it we can we can take a
look at it from a plan perspective and and take from an engineering perspective and try to provide what Landscaping we can out there but I think that blocking the site Zone site may not be helpful as well there may be negative possible negative uh externalities involved with
that in regards to the lot coverage landscape over buffer and parking offsets uh these meet the pr of criteria for criteria H which is the free flow of traffic uh we have this Loop Road that provides around the site as the traffic
engineer provided within its testimony it's able to handle all the parking that's available on site it's able to provide all the New Uses on site with regards to the movement of of vans so that won't impact any any negative impact to Schoolhouse Road and we're also providing enough parking to
accommodate what will be the largest events that would happen on site so that this wouldn't extend beyond the site which I think again would be its own benefit in that respect there's also and again for no substantial detriment to the public good uh we already have provided um the Stormer management which
is on sites you have the detention Basin both the North the north of the site and the southeast southeast of the site Southwest of the site that are provided within that that and the that will be that I also gather that the the parking distance from the outer wall structure
the grass or landscaped islands and the front yard parking setbacks all also requesting a a flexible C variant so or the second ver C2 variants with that they I believe that they meet the following criteria of the of the the POS following positive criteria the purpose
of zoning which is criteria H which is the free flow of traffic criteria I which is good civil Civic design Arrangement and criteria L which is Senior Citizen Community construction the variances that we're requesting are promoting the flow of traffic they're
also provide help with accessibility uh especially for the residents and clients and visitors to the site you don't have you're going to have a lot of potential for wheelchairs you're going to have a lot of different types of accesses so provide in the parking the way it's configured is trying to minimize
potential impacts of getting people on and out of their cars and back into their vehicles I think that's that will be very helpful at least in terms of this site which makes it really which makes granty a variance for this specific to this option this is as well and again when it comes back to taking a
look at no substantial detriment to the public good uh this creates a more accessible inclusive design to support uses and operations on a site for its residents and clients and also potential visitors and also visitors as well and many of the existing conditions are existing and will not exac be
exacerbated by the purposes of the building the Post building I think that's that's all I have if you have any other questions so in conclusion the project that's before the board is particularly suitable because it already has elder care services at
this location and secondly to your professional opinion there's no adverse impact from it correct or to the master plan of the township I don't believe that there is an adverse impact but there's definitely no substantial impact to the public good or a substantial impact to the Zone plan as this is
providing a it's providing a resource for the municipality it's providing in a space that was designed for this type of use or designed to continue this type of use and then other design may have a potential a different public U different
impacts on the public good which would be conceived if it was to change use or to be utilized in different capacity thank you and we're going to be open to questions from the board so Mr chairman we're our professionals are open to the board for any questions you may have
thank you we're going to start off with with ma Please Mr Smith I apologize but I'll be jumping so please whoever canum all right questions so uh first things first I just want to um I'm referring to CME
memo November 14th 2024 um couple of things um to clarify it is going to be 116 beds total and not 118 I think some of the yeah it's 116 correct thank you and um it's increased
from 85 from the prior yeah yeah got that um in terms of the testimony that was provided I just want to clarify one thing I understand Ed variance is being sought for the adult daycare portion but um the other two the assistant living as
well as the nursing home were they when it originally came were they I believe that time it was a permitted use and then was it recognized as a existing non-conforming use and that's why you're seeking a D2 I think you got that I
think you got that the the D2 use will be for the continuation of the nursing home and the D1 uses will be for the uh assisted living and the uh and the adult daycare so let me get a comment from the
head of the organization here okay uh Marling would you respond I question yeah if you can ask the question I'm not sure if I'm the right person if you can ask that again so the original use that was permitted was always a nursing home
um and then today you're applying for um assisted living and adult daycare as a youth variance yes okay so and and then uh Mr Smith I just want the nursing home was granted an existing non-conforming
status is that correct and that's why we are no using it as an expansion originally we were denied oh okay all right the this the application has a history all right um and I don't know how much of the history you want but
initially Francis Parker when they were contemplating purchasing the property said please go in and check with the township if this is an acceptable use of this location at that time um your zoning officer
was all I'm trying to establish is like if it was granted a use variance then it'll be a use variance even today the but if it was granted an existing non-conforming status then it will be an expansion Conformity I think the the
relevant question was when it was originally approved was it a permitted use because of the history I have to think about that for a minute the history was that went to Superior Court right and um there was extensive negotiations between
the parties um and I think the you know what I'm getting mature I'm going to have to answer that annual uh answer with maybe to your left to your left to my left you want to take five
minutes to figure it out no no no 10 all right thank God for my associate conditional use approval was granted on November 28 2012 for application number
pb-16 d11 approving a nursing home facility consisting of 96 beds use variance approval was subse subsequently granted on September 27th 2016 AS application
ba- 5117 D16 uh for an expansion of a pre-existing nonconforming use for a two-bedroom addition with 32 nursing beds the total number of approved
nursing beds for the facility is currently 128 all prior resolutions of approval are in the okay um uh and they were provided last October so the resolutions are actually there and that's okay that's the history
I think we answered the question yes I think I have it correct now so the nursing home was granted a pre-existing non-conforming status in 2016 and that's what we're going to go for so you are seeking an expansion for the nursing home but the other two are use variances
correct right okay all right uh continuing on um in terms of operations um we did hear testimony on how it's increasing only a total of 14 with all this back and forth
um in terms of nursing home I heard somewhere uh one of the testimony was it's licensed for a maximum of 60 participant but you expect on an average 50 participants daily is that so that's Adult Day yes so the license will be for
60 so just right now our average is 50 we have High Hopes it will be 60 but the license for adult day will be 60 okay now that 60 participants is uh just for understanding purposes does that includes include the residents of the
facility or is it 60 day people that come from out of site those are 60-day people for the adult day that's open 5 days a week that would just come for the day okay they're not from the Assisted Living they're not from the nursing
that's solely on Assisted Living okay so the adult care daycare will be 60 so that doesn't mean at that same time the nursing residents or Assisted Living residents can come and take care of this adult daycare no can participate in the adult day they're totally separate okay
all right um and how would you um I guess it's registration right you won't be allowed to take more than 60 the participants correct take care all right in terms of employee increase with addition of these things um currently
how many employees at the maximum shift do you have there and how many are going to happen I need to get that page out and I'm not sitting thank you we currently what am I looking at um right
on the 7 to3 shift right now we have 48 uh Care Partners or our staff and on the 3 to 11 we have 37 those are the two prime um uh shifts so that's that crossover um when we talk about uh the
traffic study okay so that's current what what's happening when this addition will go in so on the top uh in total the uh Monroe residents for the uh assisted living and
sorry the assisted living and the nursing uh in combination not by shifts uh have 155 and the adult day would be 15 so in total it'll be 170 so um I don't I I can get back I
don't have a broken out exactly for the assisted living but what I can say is because it's Assisted Living Social model it is less Staffing than we would have um uh if it was nursing uh so um uh we have one of our neighborhoods that's
nursing that's being converted to Assisted Living there'll be less Staffing there and then the addition of Assisted Living it's it's very minor my apology I don't have it broken out by Assisted Living that's fine I think I think you're um you know your witnesses will understand where I'm going with this I I just want
to make sure when the parking study was done this number was taken into account because um you know based on your testimony tonight uh it seems like we'll have the need for this type of facility after all the additions would be around
131 spaces that that's what I corre got from your testimony right and that is from from our observations and then based on those observations we projected based on information like the van parking the the
um staff that is going to be utilizing the van and their own cars okay and then the need for the daycare and also the um Assisted Living okay so keep keep the microphone with you CU I have questions for you so basically the 131 spaces
included this new number uh that Miss um sorry I forgot her name Miss sping um just um you know shared with us and it includes the six vans so you know what I'm getting is I think the total testimony was there'll be a total of 131
with six Vans and you're estimating you know on special occasion around an increase of 15 to 20% is that yeah and again the demand the the supply that we're providing is the 158 which provides about 27 more spaces than what
was calculated as the demand of the facility with the addition okay all right um and um in terms of will there be any ambulance parked on the facility there's can you state the question one more time will there be an
ambulance parked on the facility there will not be an ambulance parked and if I could add to the parking um uh the traffic study was done as as the testimony was is at um a time in which I heard 85% um that is a rarity that was a lull day I will tell you right now um we are
a very active Community there are times in which our current parking does not meet our needs and the concern that's why we asked for more because it puts us in a position there is no we can park across the street or at any other location it puts us in positions we
don't want to be in um we have activities from the outside that people come in our families some that are here this evening we'll talk about our social activities and um those spaces are are very much um in need of okay
so staying on that point in terms of guest or family members visiting what is the general ratio like for nursing homes and the Assisted Living how many do you
I so I I will tell you from our nursing home and through my experience um these are residents that have families these structure you heard uh my testimony was about these are neighborhoods and they are visited by it's not some nursing
homes that uh don't have family um these are local as I said that the um I think it was for the nursing home was it 40% of the residents are from Monroe um so people are local it's not like someone's uh uh not around families so it's very
active and um uh that's the best I could I don't have the exact ratio my apology that's fine um I just need your traffic consultant to kind of put it on record you've you've taken all that into consideration and you still think the parking is sufficient for the the number
of parking spaces proposed of 158 has taken into consideration of all these things yes correct all right um um then um another operational question I apologize but uh regarding now that
these are three different um you know type of users and you said you do care for dementia patients and that also is in a different range how is the security handled this way you know the dementia patients are not integrating or you know
can pose security threats in terms of you know um so how is that handled if you can just provide for the board sure currently our nursing home that is oversight by the New Jersey Department of Health has um provided um support and approval on any inspection that we have
to be able to care for any Resident that has memory care there's various pieces of technology that is in our home commonly used in organizations um so uh those residents that are in need of those Services would be um uh living in
in our existing nursing home environment we will be from a safety stand point though our assisted living is a social model we would be having comparable um uh uh Security in those areas even though it's not designated for um uh residents in Assisted Living it's not an
assisted living Memory Care Community okay thank you so that means you know like from what it was provided an architectural plan it was mostly the right wing of the floor plan is dedicated to Memory Care so there'll be some kind of I don't want to say key fob
but something that would you know the the assisted living is not designated for assisted living memory care at all it is a social model okay so those 31 apartments are meant for residents that drive are very social more independent but understanding Life Changes do happen
and we want to make sure that they are cared for and under the New Jersey Department of Health they will also be asking us these questions making sure that those Services we cannot operate unless they approve that and provide that oversight our existing Assisted Living has and excuse me our existing
nursing home has that and there are fobs there is uh swipe cards there's uh backups to the backups okay so thank you for that um I'm not finding my note but one of the test one of the testimony was given about fencing and how a 3-foot
wouldn't suffice now is that fencing along the front yard and is it a result of this addition that we are proposing a 6ot fencing the existing uh um iron fencing that's there is 6 foot and that was part of the original design and the
previous approvals we're matching that in the new Courtyard area to make sure that it it does meet those requirements as I mentioned 3 foot or you know the lower is not sufficient mainly because of some of these inspections um I'm not
expecting pole vating offenses but we're we are cognizant of the fact that it should match what was there because that's proven so that's what that's what's proposed not higher than the is just at the maximum that's 6 so it's not higher than the allowable so it's not in the front yard it's still in the right
and rear okay thank you for that could could you clarify the location of the fencing could you clarify the location of the fencing sure so probably from my drawing hold on a second there's fencing in this area
mhm I don't remember did we have Fen where is it with respect to the Courtyard it's it's right in the front Courtyard I believe it's also on this side too and I can't remember if it's existing or proposed I think it's existing right that one's existing this one's existing we're matching it on that side okay that is yeah thank you um in
terms of the testimony regarding the EV spaces you did say you're going to provide for but keep to as EV spaces when needed who's deciding when needed well we can designate them now and just not stripe them the idea here
is the calculation shows for six for the number of proposed parking spaces there's two here they say electric on the front there's two here they say electric one of them is at the van space in case that van eventually becomes an EV it's not right now directly next to it we can add one
here and one here which would get six but we decided not to show them currently because that would take away from the parking spaces and we're not sure that we need them but we can add to the testimony or add to the resolution added as needed as directed by your
professionals or if you want them striped now um it would take away they'd be EV ready as opposed to EV operational cuz we don't know if we need six of them my experience over time is that um certain certain clients uh corporate
clients use them all up these type of uses not as often do they use them up but it's not impossible to say that because each Community is a little different some of the more wealthy areas might have more of a use for some of the less might not the the only reason I bring it up is it becomes more of a
policing issue for us to keep track of when it's needed or when it's added as it is you know the state statutes tell you you know there's a oneir one3 oneir issue so you might as well just stick to that and if at that point maybe the board engineer and Zoning officer can
decide if you need to provide that or not provide that we can show it as e this the Make Ready EV ready two EV ready spaces they won't say electric but they'll be EV ready which will satisfy it yeah and then they can be turned over to EV that's that's if that's okay so we'll we'll mark those two spaces on our
updated drawing eeve ready yeah okay thank um in terms of um the buffer um I Heard testimony that you know you're basically following what it already exists right now so could you
clarify for me is there birming right now or is there no birming right now no there is BM there now there is birming right now and if you if you were to go through the front I didn't bring any photos with me but if you were to go through the front there is birming in the front of the property and it is substantial some of the trees um my history is long with the property so
when we first went out there they weren't quite so big now they're big yeah and they're growing in an area that's very vegetated um but there are a few bare spots and I imagine those be spots are because either something happened um where they just didn't survive or maybe were cut down on purpose because they were ill you
usually lose about 25% of your trees we were going to fill in those areas but not supplement the burm um to make it any taller because we don't think it's necessary um in hearing the planter testimony which I hadn't really thought about there is also a reason to see the
site so that people are going to it if they pass by and don't see it you might miss it that's not the intent here we have a big detention Basin up front it says Parker on the front there's a a Boulevard driveway and I think the burm actually accentuates because it's right
next to the um Wetlands features okay yeah I mean in terms of you know the visibility of site again our mon Monro land use ordinance we've been very strict about birming and Landscaping you know this type of use generally doesn't need advertising because you know people
do know who are coming here have researched the facility and going there already so it's not a typical retail use that needs the advertising so U that's why I wanted to make sure and I think you your office is willing to work with us and probably enhancing the
Landscaping where and if it's needed so we agree that that's definitely part of our um obligation and we'll work with you to do that um since you brought up the uh question it says Parker uh the sign is there any additional sign for adult daycare that's going to be added
it wasn't part of so there's not a sign included but they are going to reface the sign because there will have additional uses on it will stay within the exact same um face footprint of it but it will just have the New Uses listed on it and we have no problem providing a copy of that to the board um
we didn't enter it on it because it's really just taking the name and it's kind of like an update of the of the face um you know the two-sided face so that people will be able to see it so we will provide that but it will show the New Uses if this board chooses to approve it the only thing I bring up
that is it's it's better you bring it up before the board um the reason for that is it is a used variance I mean typically I would just tell you to go for sign permit with the zoning officer I don't know if the zoning officer would have the authority so if you are thinking of changing the sign you're
staying within the area and all you might as well just get it approved from the board for the record I'll say we are going to change the face of the sign to whatever uses are approved tonight um and it will update the um say the logo but the face of the sign within the
exact perimeters that are already approved and existing to match what the approvals are and we will provide that um as part of our revisions Fair Bob right and we're officially now requesting it okay I'll leave that to Mr vanolo but
okay um um in terms of um like um I am going to um I know we had the comment regarding the street lights we were looking at it from a safety perspective um I do understand your
testimony about the type of fuse it is not you know traveled Again by somebody who doesn't know the site and there are still residents living on the site however I would like um also um you know our board engineer to weigh in whether that area really needs um street light
and we'll wait for his um input also on that so since I have the history on this um and I won't overpak this tell me if I'm inconsistent with your memory we had this discussion on the initial approval on the subsequent approval and the idea here was that we needed minimal lighting to identify that it was a driveway but
we weren't trying to overlight it because if do overlight it you do have to recognize that um as the traffic engineer identified it's a low traveled Road once you light it up it becomes U much more visible and that sort of deters from um spill over into neighbors
yards even if it's only visible and it matches all your code it still means you might be seeing light so our opinion at the time in my memory recollection was that we were not over lighting this and we weren't suggesting the whole Frontage be lit up on purpose but our site is
matching and meeting and it is a 24-hour a day facility you know we have shift changes we'd like to leave it that way so our suggestion would be not to not to increase any of the lighting on Schoolhouse Road okay point taken um in terms of the variance for impervious
coverage it is an expansion you are asking for the variance um not to go into details of storm water but what other measures have been taken to kind of negate that again impervious coverage is one of those um topics Township of Monroe is looking at and the whole state
is looking at so you know we just want to understand is there any other way uh we can try to mitigate the we have provided uh I didn't mention it we have provided um porest pavement on the site we have provided infiltration areas on the site which means that um the
pavement um will act as a pavement um will also sheet away some of the storm water uh it's a little bit uh less intense for um um sunbaking on the pavement while it's while it is still pavement um the coverage requirement is
to put the parking spaces in which are needed for this use there is also a large portion of this site which was donated to the municipality on the original application something over 20 acres which is also added to the bulk calculations of this and these parking spaces were not put in any larger than
necessary and we actually spent a lot of time figuring out exactly what we thought we needed to not overdo it but to provide the minimum use necessary again water quality is being taken care of water quantity is being taken care of and percolation is being taken care of we have two existing water features
they're going to remain and the rest of the site is landscaped and buffered and uh there is also Wetlands on site which are being protected okay in terms of forest pavement and um there will be some kind of maintainance plan because season maintenance yes okay what is that's one of the engineers questions
and we're going to provide a report all right um I think um Mr chairman most of my questions last thing um if there's you've could you just put it on record you are willing to comply with most of the items in our yes if I didn't say it we are willing to comply only the items
that I mentioned would we did we have a question about like the lighting and the other items but yes we will comply with the um planning report from CME and also um from the engineering report and have been in communication with your engine to review that thank you thank you Mr chairman thank you
Mark thanks Mr chairman um we'll start with NI since he's up there um get away the uh you have a couple concrete wheel stops proposed um they're not permitted I don't recommend them uh I'd like to see them eliminated I believe it's only two spots Bard's
okay uh Ballers would be acceptable also modification of the curb line in those two areas um drop curb uh just to you have it on an angle so just the way it's set up there um maybe Square it up or um you know something to
that effect no problem we have no problem with that I probably would use um and do you need the Ballard I mean I don't think I don't think I need the Ballers I think I think the need for the wheel stops came into the way the curb line was laid out so if we lay it out it won't overlap yeah that's fine we can do that modify the curb line to eliminate
wheel stops as well as ballards we'll we'll do that um also I asked for uh turning template for the Vans uh backing out of those locations you have a little bump out where you adjusted the curve line we did run one we can provide that to you um it was it it actually matched
all the requirements and we we don't have any um impacts so we'll share that with you okay and the way it's drawn is that uh is that adequate for the Vans to be uh maneuvering yes um not sure if it's a question for you but when the Vans drop off at the
daycare oh let me back up all all the people going to the daycare are they coming by van or are they driving their own cars I can answer that 80% by Van 20% by private in other words family members or delivery when you say private
private van or their own car their their own car or family member okay there's no there's no participants that drive themselves it's all by family got it the 20% thank you the the Vans when they drop off uh at your daycare where do the
vans go after that the Vans remain on site so they'll go park the person driving a van will go inside and be part of operations and they're part of operations right and they won't go back to the van until they're bringing people home okay perfect um back to Nick the in
the area of the new parking area the new parking area for the uh daycare the Stop Bar when you're coming out of the little parking lot onto the circular roadway around the facility uh I have a concern with sight triangle when you're looking
right uh because now you added the parking stalls in there so uh it seem it it provides an impact to the line of sight and the sight triangle so uh that spot right there mark yes that's the site
triangle uh we could take a look at that obviously when the cars are in there they're you know 2 and 1/2 3 ft so if there is a vehicle there you won't be able to see past it but we did move the site excuse me the stop line up to the front on purpose um this is a low speed I say
that um people can go without being policed might go faster but it's intended to be low speed my experience on the site everybody does move pretty slowly through this site um and having gone there for many years and witnessed how they drive on the site I don't think the site triangle will add too much of
an issue but um if we were to eliminate spaces it would be more detrimental to you know potentially parking off site um for that one location um and we are at the corner where it's actually furthest out that we can
be um we have a stop bar and a stop sign I'd like to see some modification to that there testimony um is the families are coming they're dropping off that that that daycare area is going to be a busy drop off area it sounds like from
what we're hearing and um you're going to have now the assisted living in there so I believe those people have their own cars as well or could have their own cars so you're you're introducing more traffic to that circular Road and particularly this area and uh so I am
concerned with that line of sight with those vans pulling out and the uh the families when they drop off people at the daycare so so if I can I'm just going to let's say it's somewhere right there it might be a space or two is that what you're correct that's what I'm
looking at possible relocate spaces is it possible to relocate the two spaces I'm thinking okay maybe if you eliminated two spaces it uh there would be no variance
triggered correct you're overp parked no we're still the variance is not for the are you talking about coverage no I'm talking for the number of parking stalls you're overp parked right now yeah we're we meet the we meet the ordinance there's no variance for number of parking that by ordinance they will but the testimony said they are more close
to what's they're proposing okay wa we like to keep the two spaces but the safety concern is very important so the question is can the two spaces be re relocated on the site possibly I have a couple of ideas I'll look if you want to look well um we
could work with you on that if uh may maybe we do one of over here and um potentially one here so Mr chairman just to give everybody flexibility what if we agree
to relocate them the two spaces to the satisfaction of the township engineer that's fine they would have to meet with Mock and agree upon it yes yeah I believe we can work that out okay and then that'll open up the fact that there won't be as much of an impact from the
line of sight those two spaces dis appear and the van can see through those okay we'll agree to that if right see uh with regard to the street Lighting on Schoolhouse Road the existing uh street lights are adequate
out there there may be U there may be a fixture that where the bulb is burnt out um we have had issues with Jersey Central Power and Light on getting street light bulbs replaced um so any effort you can help in that if there is a street light out in in front of your
facility uh with Jersey Central if you can help to get that replaced we can make a request if that's the case thank you no additional lights is what you're saying no additional lighting um as as your testimony was we did we did work on that quite a bit uh when the original site was built and uh and like I said
the existing lighting is is adequate and satisfactory we've had no no complaints or concerns from from any residents or uh or public works or police with regard to the Landscaping you've agreed to do some replanting of the
buffers where uh plantings are have not survived also supplemental planting I'd like to see that noted on the plan and uh and a u i guess an updated landscape plan provided additionally I would add in the area of the where the van parking
is and a bump out area I'd like to see some additional Landscaping behind that curve line where you have the bump out okay as part of that uh updated Landscaping plan sure the other side of the sidewalk the sidewalks right behind it here it would be opposite be on the
outside the outside perimeter where the bump out is sure it looks like you can fit Landscaping in there some Evergreens there I think there are trees there and there are some but we can we can look at it with a photo and then decide what needs to be supplemented maybe it's lower things as
opposed to higher but we can add whatever is necessary there that's agreeable and Mr chairman I believe that is everything no other comments thank you any board members have any questions I just have one question yes
Mr Cole um press the button good just a just a clarification on uh the light dimming I believe Mark you requested some light dimming
and you don't want to do that did I miss something so we had we had that in our memo and I think their testimony was because the site is 24/7 active they would not prefer to do that probably the best way to get the answer is to turn the mark But I my understanding was that
he wanted the lighting to stay the same or am I wrong M Mr chman um when this application was approved and built there there was a lot of discussion with lighting there was some complaints we went back and forth with the developer at the time they modified the lighting
so the lighting is is at a point um you know the final lighting that was actually installed is certainly adequate it it was uh agreeable to the The Neighbors at that time there hasn't been any complaints since since uh we worked on replacing I believe we replaced all
the FES out there so uh so there was there was extensive work on that so um my opinion is to keep the lighting as it is however you handle it in the evening and overnight um to have it this work the same does that answer your question Mr thank you any other
questions okay uh I have a question um does your facility are you planning a centralized dining area or the daycare uh patients and the Assisted Living patients
okaye so um dining for adult day will be in the adult day Community um there is a dining room um in the plans and that food will come from our Main Kitchen there will be uh for assisted living they will have their own designated area
coming from the Main Kitchen as well as well as the nursing that it currently exists okay now uh the residents of the assisted living apartments will they have full kitchens and to prepare their own meals they will the the question about um assisted living and their
Apartments they do not have the capability to do any cooking okay there is a a microwave sorry about the feedback there is a microwave and a refrigerator okay but they can't prepare their own meels to any extent no they can't and that's part of the regulation
for assisted living they're not able to on New Jersey Department of Health wouldn't approve that great question thank you any other questions um um I think I think the total was 116 beds um are any of those Assisted Living
units like two uh for two people like a couple or a husband and wife are they all single units four there's four one-bedroom units sorry um all of them are Studio except four of them are um capable to have two people in a room
okay so potentially slightly more than 116 could be 120 don't experience we currently don't experience that uh right now sorry my thank you supportive team behind me any other questions I have a quick question
for transportation um if all those adult living people have vehicles will they be able to accommodate with the parking I know that's a long stretch but if everyone
was able to drive and capable of driving so the Assisted Living would they be able to all accommodate and fit into your calculations of parking I did not do a calculation based on that because I don't believe that
they experience that type of volume of parked cars from the residents but certainly operations could discuss what they're anticipating as far as their residents owning cars was any additional studying done with respect to addition trucks coming in whether it be
sanitation whether it be laundry um anything of that nature I did not but I believe Nick may have as part of the original design we had to look at delivery types trucks or um package type vehicles and you know whatever Services
they had gotten and the way that the site is laid out um everything works circular wise so there's you know nothing would be damaged for turning radiuses and things like that okay is is this particular building have a standalone generator does and all your
your um your mechanical equipment whereever that be located so you want to do that yep so most of the mechanical equipment Services the site as it is for the new proposed building it'll all be contained within the building and most of it will
there will be a few package units on the roof it'll it'll be isolated to this sort of central um Courtyard area so it'll really be shielded on three sides by the building and we'll have additional a parit wall you're gonna have well well three sides will be the
balance of the building the the roof structure and then the front side there'll be a parit wall and it'll be fully shielded trash are those uh Assisted Living are they going to bring their own trash to the dumpster or is there an internal trash area that would be stored
it's all internal okay did you guys take any consideration into additional snow removal by consuming the additional property where would you pile the snow and would that consume any spots during winter operation uh over the course of the operation of the
facility stacking of snow was an issue where we started looking to where to do it they've been very successful because if you look at the design it is a loop road and it could be pushed off to the side and there also is storm water management around the outside and and buffers around the outside um I don't
believe in my opinion they've had issues with stacking of snow that I recall and I do know we have some a lot of open areas to the outside of the parking spaces or in front of the parking spaces okay any other questions from any board members okay before we go to the public
we're going to give her a few minutes to take a finger break when we come back we're going to go to public portion on this application and this application only five minutes e e e
e e e e e e it is it is I I I'm trying like I can morning to everyone's back great okay
we're back in session uh before we go to the public I think there was uh just one thing a housekeeping mock I think uh thank you Mr chair um I believe the previous approval talked about uh when you get deliveries uh to direct all the
trucks and uh to the left when they're leaving the site um we want to still just Institute that that you know any the delivery trucks garbage trucks um when they're leaving the site they should be making a left onto Schoolhouse Road not making a right and going to the
The Hairpin turn into the residential neighborhood understood agreed I also believe that would constitute the construction vehicles as well okay right any any construction or anything that's going on when you come out please keep it to the left yes sir okay thank you chair you're welcome okay
seeing there's no more questions from the board members I'm going to open this application up to the public anyone from the public wishing to be heard please come forward sir I'm going to ask you to take a seat in the roll behind you yeah I guess so
yeah and if I could just swear you in quickly regarding any testimony you might provide so if you could grab that microphone or either there you go if you could raise your right hand do you swear any testimony provides the truth nothing but the truth I do and if you could just state your name spell your last name and give us your address please for the record my name is Donna rendo that's
Reen that on there we go uh my name is Donna rendero that's re nde i r o I live at 8 region Drive in Monroe in Heritage Chase right around the corner from Parker um my mom is a resident of Parker at Monro she is
if not the oldest the second longest person there she's been there in May will be 10 years she just in November turned 100 and I will have to say that probably a good reason for her longevity
is the care that she has been given by the folks at Parker they are an extended family they have such care that they are an example to the rest of New Jersey and none of that
really is is what you need to to consider here um what you need to consider is how important what their facility is how they're important their facility is to the residents of Monroe and to the surrounding communities New
Jersey has a huge need for facilities that allow our seniors to age age in place to be able to not leave their communities that they brought their families into and brought them up and be
able to age with dignity and to be able to have the care that they need in a way that is that gives them respect and dignity the folks at Parker do that and by allowing these
variances which frankly the when you look at it from a cost benefit perspective or a I I'll call it a uh a benefit versus uh not giving the variance I think it the the benefit far
out ways not giving them their variances it is so important for the residents the senior resident ents in New Jersey to be able to have a facility like this because as you get older we all know when we're 50 we can get up and we can
go drive and we can go wherever we want but our needs change and to be able to stay in the community that you brought your family up in is so critical and so important I have to say that the care that my mother has gotten over the last
10 years is exemplary and is an example to um all the other facilities that are here that are in New Jersey um but we sorely need facilities like this to allow our seniors to age in place so I
think not approving this is doing a disservice to to our residents in our community um in terms of the variances that they're asking for frankly yes it's an R30 Zone but this is my mom's home so it just so happens that she's living in
a place that can that can address her needs the impacts that you see along Schoolhouse Road are minimal I am there weekly I am there for every event I am there sometimes twice a week the impacts on Schoolhouse Road are minimal there's
all it's it's you almost don't even see it but when you drive up to it it's you know it's there it meets the character of the neighborhood I do believe that it is built in a way that that really really
addresses the character and the needs of the master plan for for Monroe and I truly believe that not doing this would be a disservice to the residents so I do I would implore you to approve this
thank you very much anyone else in the public wishing to be heard please come forward we'll get to you next grab that microphone raise your right hand for me do you swear any testimony you're going to provide is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do if you could just state your name spell your last name and please give us
your address or the record my name is Janice Holmes h l Mees I live in uh mon in Cranberry in uh 50 labo Drive Cranberry New Jersey so I'm not a resident of Monroe but my husband is a
resident of Parker he had had been in two other facilities prior to going to Parker and the care that he gets there far exceeds that's why I had to move him and um the care they give him can't be
explained they get get to know him they know he him and what he his needs are they're constantly in touch with me and I visit several times a week and um they always tell me you know we did this we had to change his meds and so they're on
top of the care is exemplary and I'm thinking for also for myself because there's going to come a day when I would like to be in an assisted living situation and when Parker first opened in Monroe I went for the open house and I explain they
explained that there was no assisted living it was nursing home and I was very disappointed because I know Parker's reputation I've been on the registry for some years as an on you know not active but my husband I moved
him to active when he started showing signs of dementia and um I just can't say enough good things about them they've met all my needs and they I can sleep at night knowing he's well well taken care of and I would love to have a place that I know someday I can go when
I'm ready right now I'm not but yeah I may be not that distant future so thank you thank you very much thank you hello good evening if you could just raise your right hand for me to you SAR any testimony going to provide us the
truth whole truth and nothing but truth yes if you could state your name spell your last name and give us your address please uh Jennifer huki hlu c y 436 Schoolhouse Road one Township um so I wanted to get into some of the details of this application um I wanted to start
with the Landscaping um when the application was first proposed the residents on Schoolhouse were told that the front burm would be augmented with um very heavy privacy screening which we didn't
really see in place so I would like to see that happen at this time um the facility actually at being 50 ft high and quite enormous would not be shielded by any increased landscape there you can
see it quite prominently um from the street even if there was more Landscaping there so I I would like to see that um I saw on the application there's 22 trees that are coming down if somebody could show me where those trees
would be removed on this um I'd appreciate that Jennifer we're just going to hand the mic off to him okay and you'll be able to use the table mic so we can catch both you at the same time where you see the
X's those are trees and and shrubs to be removed that are uh of a certain caliber so you see them in certain areas like here where there's existing parking areas but they're in an area that's some trees have to be removed to put them in and the other ones are here they're all
within the inner loop except for those two which are next to the two parking spaces by the inner loop I mean where the roadway is sure I saw that they vary in caliber from 2 inch to 15 inch so are the X's the larger ones or this is all of the trees so the X's are trees and
shrubs of 2 in to 15 okay and the the the zeros are drainage structure removals and the pentagons are light pole removals okay I saw on the application that there's going to be nine added light posts to the applic to
this project um I'm assuming that many of them are going to be in the rear um even though they that part is adjacent to what was termed the old mat Farm which is now owned by Parker it still spills out onto the rear side of Schoolhouse Road where there are
residents so I would ask um according to the application I saw that the applicant wanted to install 6 to 8ot conifers I think the town requires 8 to 10 I would request that they plant 10 to 12s that's just a a request that
I'm making in order to offset the fact that you know the building is high and we have reduced buffers I've lived with the facility now for 10 years so I do see the the light pollution that comes from it especially at this time of year with the deciduous trees those canopies
are quite high so you still see the lighting sometimes even when the canopies are in full bloom is there a where is the particular area that you're asking for those trees um more towards the rear of the building where that fourth pot is is going to be located I know there's a very reduced
buffer in that area and they are removing some trees so if they can add some increased larger conifers in that area I would like to see that ask the app there any any objections to that request two objections objection number one is this is the landscape plan which
is sheet nine of your document there are trees and plantings Allin that area so we are supplementing that area with the trees you are removing 10 to 12 will not grow they always die okay um six to eights uh and I'm not a landscaper but I've been planting enough trees over the
years to get them to grow six to eight is about the most you can get them and normally they're very bare when you first put them in and they take several years to fill back in I would take the advice of your Forester or your um engineer on how he would like us to do
but I do not suggest 10 to 12s or even 8 to 10s if can um condition of the approval is the shet tree commission to go before our sha tree commission and and meet with them in our Township uh Harbor us so uh I would defer that to to our
experts on the shade Tre commission as proposed right now it's my Landscaping plan that you see that is sheet number nine which is what we're proposing but we will go as part of our approval to do that okay and I think with respect to lights nothing was being added am I correct uh some light poles are being
relocated I believe so did I read something wrong I thought it said you were adding nine lamp posts I think there's nine new ones but some are being removed as part of that nine okay I don't have corre I thought Schoolhouse Road was remaining as is Schoolhouse Road will remain as yeah I didn't have a concern with that right well there's
nothing being added on Schoolhouse Road that's what you mentioned oh no I just no I I just was mentioning the the burm in the front you know that the I didn't think that that would be a problem to augment that burm in the front in any way with increased privacy plantings I
think I think the applicant is willing to work with with Mock and the shade tree commission to come up with an agreement okay and uh I'm sure you can keep in touch with Mark if necessary to uh see that it meets everyone's requirements okay um I can I address
that real quick we're not augmenting the burm or changing the burm because that would kill the existing trees that are on it but instead we're suggesting supplementing it with the trees that either are void have died and fill in the in the blanks but not add to it because that'll kill the other trees I still think that could all be worked out
am I correct with that absolutely um okay so I'm done with the Landscaping part um I wanted to know uh what the hours of the day daycare are 9 to from 9 to four um so my concern with the traffic expert is that um he
only seemed to focus singularly on like the one hour of peak service but for and and he described our street as having few residents on it but there's actually at least 32 homes on that street with school age children who ride their bike residents who walk their dogs take walks
on the street and as we all know there's no sidewalks my concern with um the traffic expert was that I don't really feel like I got uh a Clarity on the true traffic that those of us who live on the street are really going to be seeing
with a daycare with an assisted living where residents could be driving their own cars where people are going to be doing drop offs um obviously 2:30 to 3:30 is outside the window of the daycare being 9 to 4 it would people would be getting dropped off or brought
there at quter to 9 9:00 and then leaving at 4:00 so there's going to be other dispersed traffic I kind of wanted a real um picture in my mind of what it would be like for real truly with traffic on the street living there we'll give them an opportunity to respond but
if I remember correctly their traffic was done 7:30 to 8:30 when the changer shifts at 2:30 to 3:30 well that was in no in the morning from the overnight with people coming in during the day they did the afternoon as well oh I didn't hear him give the morning so
we'll bring the traffic professional I'll I'll do the the rest of the I wanted an idea of what the real trip um things would be on the street during the course of the sure so she's correct we we did the counts during that Peak shift uh change when we did our
projected traffic to be conservative we actually added the daycare traffic to that okay okay so we look we usually look at a roadway when there's a peak of the site right so the site's going to impact a roadway at the maximum peak time for that site this is kind of
specialized it's not an office right it's kind of spread out throughout the day uh what I mentioned in testimony was in the morning there's a small shift change at that 7:00 shift change from the overnight to 7 and then there's the other shift change from let's say 2:30 to 3:30 so we did not actually do
traffic counts in that early morning shift change because it was so low right the daycare center is actually offset from even that shift change right the daycare center is at 9:00 at that point the facility has a lot of the you know the residents are there the workers are
there and that daycare facility is almost kind of on its own right and we mentioned that it's going to be 80% bust which is or van which is six Vehicles right 80% of them and then the maximum it's going to be based on this
60 total uh participants the remainder of them would be 12 more participants 20% Max right and and normally it's about 50 so it's even going to be less so those 12 participants you might see
let's just say 10 12 at the most people coming in dropping off and then them leaving they're not all going to be there exactly at the same time that'll be so you have 12 Vehicles over maybe a 15 or a half an hour period which again is is one every couple minutes so at
that time frame when the adult did daycare is people are coming in to utilize it there's really not a whole lot else going on in the facility at that point there's not a shift change going on at that time and do you consider that consistent with a regular residential street in a Township the
numbers that you're saying one to two car like a car every two minutes yeah Ian that's a very low volume again we yeah very very low to a regular residential street yeah very very low volume absolutely okay great that's all thanks okay thank you you're welcome
anyone else in the public we'll get to you in a second sir he got his hand up first I use the table it's on I can have you raise your right hand for me sir do you swear any testimony going to provide us the truth all truth
and nothing but the truth I do if you can state your name spell your last name and give us your address please for the record George Conlan 5 Kelly Court Monro Township gun K me Mr chairman I I don't have any problem with this project it seems like
a just a logical expansion of something that's already here my problem is is that Parker is a nonprofit which means that it doesn't support the service that
it receives from the township they don't pay tax so our police our fire they have a 50ft tall building some of our departments have had to buy at Great expense volunteer
departments equipment that can handle 50 fot which is why we originally had the Restriction that they got overruled the ambulance services are provided by the
township it sounds like a wonderful facility but it's being subsidized heavily by the taxpayers of Monroe Township road maintenance snow removal on the on the roads all done by the
township we talk about their traffic it all happens as as a gift from the township I don't know what the estimated cost of this expansion is I would be curious to see what the engineers estimate is on
that but it's obviously quite a bit it's extensive one of the facts in Monroe is that we do not have full day kindergarten in Monroe and probably the simple explanation for that
is that our taxpayers are tired we're pretty heavily taxed here and trying to get a new referendum to expand facilities at the school so we could have what almost every community
in mon in in New Jersey has full day day uh kindergarten is is a little bit outside of our reach it's it's hard to pay has so I would respectfully request that this wonderful organization
Parker think about making a significant contribution to the town to support full day daycare the other end of the life cycle that they deal with but it's it's it's
important it's a big deal uh we have a school board we have a mayor uh perhaps their representatives uh this not a legal matter uh to be addressed here but it's
just something I want to put out in front of the the the executives that are here tonight from Parker to consider doing something for Monroe other than being physically present and being subsidized by us to do
what they do that's all I have thank you so can I re offer a respectful reply all right I'm sure the gentleman's heart is in the right place every time anybody comes in to local meetings and says let's find a
a source of Revenue and has an explanation of why I always want to hear it but what's not in that explanation is the initial misconception Parker does provide services to the people of Monroe at no
charge but even if they didn't my town would get on its hands and knees to have Parker in their town and the reason being they still have the endowment they still get from Robert
Wood Johnson a very significant subsidy every year so they can offer some of the lowest rates for the quality of care that they offer and what Monroe residents are getting is the Premier
elder care company in America at some of the most modest rates available because of their 100-year history with Robert with Johnson we die to have that in my town
all right because you're providing elder care services not not at the cost of the government this is not something that Monroe Township has to build for its Elders it's something that a nonprofit part of the economy is
providing at very very reasonable costs that's the subsidy to Monroe right be thrilled that they're here and Monroe is a little different than most towns and you're different in
the population seniors that you have here compare yourselves to any other town in the state of New Jersey you're going to have a hard time finding any town with that ratio and that's because you the fathers and mothers of Monroe
the the leaders the elected leaders decided that that was the type of community they wanted to have so you have this very very high proportion of seniors who now have the best possible services at the most reasonable cost
cost and that's the subsidy and in addition to that we provide other services to Monroe residents health fairs you know you want I'll ask for a list of them but they're basically at no cost to to Monroe residents they're a
great asset for your community and let me ask you suppose you had a hospital in this town nonprofit Hospital would you say oh no you can't come here unless you pay us taxes would you all right this is a great asset so I
respectfully differ with the gentleman he's wrong on that issue thank you sir didn't get through yeah good hello hello if I could swear you in quickly if you could raise your right hand for me do you swear any testimony going to provide us the truth alter than nothing
but the truth I do if you can state your name spell your last name and give us your address please for the record Dominic inzana i n z n a 4 a James pul Court Monroe New Jersey so I'm a full-time caregiver to
my mom she's 81 years old she has dementia in fact right now I have to pay someone to come here without someone like Parker I would never get a break right it's a full-time job and it's amazing like I can't take that away I
love taking care of my mom but it can be very very stressful and unless you have that break it's extremely hard and Parker is it's truly an assd I wouldn't be able to do this like I wouldn't be able to care for my mom the way that I can I'm sorry I'm
getting a little choked up it's very very important to me and it really is an amazing place like when I bring her there she's super happy she's very social the activities that they have have it's incredible they have all kinds live entertainment she comes home with
all kinds of crafts I had we had to build another shelf to put everything that she did and it truly is an asset I don't know what I would do without them and I can just see how happy it makes her her neurologist even told me there's really not much you can do with someone
that has dementia but whatever you're doing and sending her to daycare please keep doing it because he said that we can see that it is working and she is very social because of it and I don't know what I would do without them thank you thank
you anyone else in the audience wishing to be heard seeing there's none I make a motion to close the public portion do I have a motion second second I have a
second all in favor okay board members you heard the applicant you heard our professionals you heard the public we have a Mr chairman yes Mr um I don't have a problem with this
application I think this the construction of the application is proposing uh blends with the the ongoing uh complex so um I'd like to make a motion to approve this under the stipulation Mr Smith
that all the uh all the the um stipulations that are professionals you guys adhere to and for the record you're going to have a record everything that was said that we agreed to you'll have a written
transcript correct sorry so uh just Mr Lupo art stenographer took everybody's comments down so and record and we'll share a copy with the board and we keep our word right so we're
happy to do we have a motion on the table was that's a motion to approve approve is there a second second okay Madam Secretary roll call please miss Carrie yes Mr Lupo yes Mr Masters yes Mr
tany yes Mr jaffy yes Mr Co yes chman L yes thank you members your your attention to this is most appreciated okay I know the other uh spring point is been waiting we're going to give them 5 minutes to clear out before we get you
guys in okay e e e e springpoint at Monroe Village Incorporated uh good evening Mr chair board members my name is Jared Pape I'm an attorney with the law firm of hurn
Pape and our firm has the privilege of repres presenting springpoint at Monroe Village um recognize the hour is getting late so we're prepared to have a quick presentation for you this evening um Ju Just Like to begin um and request that
our the legal notices that we provided are satisfactory to provide the board with jurisdiction Mr chairman I have reviewed the affidavits of mailing and publication provided uh by the applicants attorney and the board does have jurisdiction to hear the application thank you so we are requesting site plan approval with use
variance relief this evening uh in connection with proposed recreational amenities um at the Monroe village community um we have three Witnesses uh Jay Whiteman Jack Carmen and Shan Delaney um we anticipate each
witness will probably have no more than 5 10 minutes max of testimony um so with with that as an introduction we'll move right to our first witness if that's acceptable got it if you could raise your right hand spr the testimony you're going to provide us the truth the whole
truth and nothing but the truth I do if you could state your name spell your last name and give us your address please for sure my name is Jay Whitman Whi t m an and I am Senior executive director at springpoint at Monroe Village address one David brainer Drive Monroe
Township thank you very much for having us this evening as we are looking to enhance the amenities and the services that we provide to the residents of Monroe Village we currently serve about 230 Independent Living residents and about 27 Assisted Living residents at
our community that has been in operation since 1988 in our 37 years in Monroe Township we have always strived to do what's best for our residents and do what's best for the township and to provide exceptional experiences wherever possible part of that is continuously
looking at how we can enhance what we do the services we provide and what we have from an amenity standpoint available for our residents by adding additional amenities on our campus for our residents we look to increase socialization we look to increase the physical activity of those who live
there and really to overall uh create an improved opportunity for their health and overall well-being what we are here to do this evening is to discuss with you the addition of some outdoor amenities that will provide to our residents passive recreational
activities on our campus we're looking to add a backyard garden with walking paths uh a putting green area there'll also be a patio as you can see with uh uh gazebo uh there'll be grilling stations as well as a fire pit and then
in another area on our campus we're looking to add pickle ball and a dog park why are we looking to add these things you might ask these are all requests of our residents we take their feedback very very seriously we are there to serve them so we have uh
queried our resident population asking for what sort of outdoor amenities they are interested in what they want to do as residents of our community and this is the feedback we've received directly from them working with them with their ideas we then Engage The Other professionals who are here with me this
evening to come up with this plan to enhance their life at our community we are looking at this as being solely a resident use um establishment if you will uh there will not be Public Access so it only be for the use of our residents and their families or visitors
if they have any um and really it only is going to be uh available to our residents during daylight hours of course it's a 24-hour operation but we really see the service and the the passive activities and Recreation that'll take place occurring during daylight hours so maybe from you know as
early as 8 or 9 in the morning may perhaps an early morning outdoor yoga class or somebody doing some stretching to perhaps something as late as a a dinner celebration or something like that uh the property where the uh back door backyard garden is located will be
at the back side of our property and uh at this point I guess I'd like to turn it over to Jack Carman our landscape architect who will share with you some details about our project so may ask Mr Whitman to make that opening statement just as as the representative of the applicant but as stated Mr Carmen was
involved in the design elements so Mr Whitman's available um understand we'll do questions at the end um and Mr Carmen would be our next uh witness thank you if we could have M evening good evening if you could raise your right hand for me do you swear the testimony going to
provide us the truth allu nothing but the truth I do you could state your name spell your last name and give us your address please for Jack caran C MN address 92 tallowwood Drive Medford New Jersey Mr Carmen for the board could you please provide your credentials to
testify as a landscape architect I'm a licensed landscape architect in the state of New Jersey um have testified before various boards Within in New Jersey as a landscape architect but I think what's even and have um what's even more Germaine to this application
is that I've specialized in this area of practice so my work is primarily in the design of uh Health Care Gardens therapeutic Gardens within Senior Communities everything from uh uh Behavioral Health Garden in Sleepy
Hollow New York to uh dementia Garden in Manasses Virginia um this is just in my backyard which even will'll accept your credentials as a profession sorry I elaborate it's late thank you um Mr Carmen could you explain your role in
creating the design um with springpoint and then go into the specifics specifically the two different areas and what's what's being proposed and what went into that design sure um in collaboration with Jay working with members of the community and even more important as Jay mentioned we listen to
the residents of the community and they're the ones who guided us in in the things that they want outside in the garden I can walk you through that again Jay had elaborated the um uh amenities that are being offered but this is to um
basically it's it's What the residents have been asking for um I can go through do we want to go through some of the comments at this point or yeah perhaps you could touch on the comments we did receive the board planners and board Engineers report um okay so the board Engineers
letter dated January 20 20th 25 um a slight amenity or slight correction to the plan uh item 2J confirm connection between concrete area and shed is concrete it is concrete um con
to L uh confirmed placement of canal umbrellas there's no interference with storm water measurements uh measures uh 2m the grills will be portable and propane gas uh under the board planner
report dated February 19 25 there is no tree removal uh we're under e two or whichever uh tree caliber size will uh meet size requirements a minimum of 3 in
has been requested we will meet that uh trash re um oh there was a a request for evergreens we respectfully request that we don't provide any Evergreens we can do evergreen shrubs the area is intended
to be open and visible so for the safety and Welfare of the residents there it's better for the the caregivers to be able to see into the garden so we're requesting that we don't add any evergreen trees if that's okay um and can be happy to talk more about that um
trash receptacles there will be trash receptacles out there when we have specific events and so forth but for the overall use we don't have tra trash receptacles around it it it doesn't it's not necessary maybe that's
the easiest way to put it so happy to elaborator um talk about that um we mentioned about the uh oh the shed details We'll add that to the plan um we can add those details the grills will be portable and
propane and we'll add planting details to the landscape plan as well so basically we're willing to agree to most everything that's in the in the reviews the environmental commission we had met with them um they're requesting perious concrete um we again respectfully
request that we don't do that um it's more of the type of material and the surface so it's a safety issue for the residents so just a regular um concrete it will be tinted to reduce the glare but we request that we don't um install
perious concrete uh rain Gardens are included in the plan that's part of the uh the engineers um uh design and and Sean can uh get into that a little bit if needed um as Jay mentioned there are
not outdoor activities at night but we do have low voltage lighting path lighting that's about 24 in High um those details and that information is on the plan but I think one of the things that was requested was to show the isolux lines around there and we can add
that to the plan as well um trying to keep moving here uh we agreed to coordinate with the township Arbor's uh planting requirements um Native plantings are Incorporated in the
plan and um I think I I'll punt on this one about discussion of the 100 foot wide strip uh of land dedication sure we can yeah I can I can address that there was a comment when we were at in front of the environmental commission meeting
um for the donation of a strip of land to the Township's open space and it's on the I believe the western side of the lot um over by the uh utility easement um Mr Whitman and his corporate team
discussed it um choosing not to move forward with the transfer of that to open space with the understanding that in all likelihood will remain undeveloped just given its location on on the site this is a fairly large site um a good portion of which is is not
developed so we just wanted to address that point and we did discuss that with the environmental commission as well um I think you covered all the main points anything else to add no we can take questions after presentation if
that's okay done with all your professionals okay so our Final witness is sha Delaney who will be um testifying as both a professional engineer and professional planner ask that he be sworn as
well you could raise your right hand for me do you swear the testimony going to provide us the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do you could state your name spell your last name and give us your address please for the record certainly my name is sha s aan Delaney d l a n y look with Bowman
Consulting a principal located at three Paragon Way in Freehold New Jersey and you could provide your credentials for the board as both a a professional engineer and professional planner certainly uh 19 I did testify on this on
another application about a year two years ago for a subdivision on the site before the board as both a planner and an engineer I am a uh 1999 grad of NGIT Bachelor of Science and civil engineering we we remember we accept your credentials thank you very much so
Mr Delany I'll ask uh for engineering testimony that you begin just with the property overview existing conditions followed by um you know the proposed improvements and the key elements of a site plan I think in this case a lot is not changing certainly so I do have some
exhibits I do have uh to to my right that are mounted that I will be referring to um the first one up there is an existing conditions aerial that's dated 219 2025 that is A1 um it shows the entire
site property that's approximately 55 Acres it's block 58 lot 1703 as was mentioned it was subdivided and approve was approved for a subdivision that has yet to be perfected so the existing lot Still Remains
1703 will be subdivided into two lot 1704 which is 50 acres which is the majority of the site and the subdivision occurred on proposed lot 1705 which is on the southern portion of the main axis Road into the property
that was the aase area that was there previously that that was subdivided into for for ownership purposes um surrounding uses to the north residential East is is also single family residential across Jamesburg Halfacre road we have the electric
utility substation to the South um and some uh industri uses as well as to the rest the railroad right away the easements that were discussed and some non-residential uses uh across that as well property is owned R20 the existing
site is used for a senior living community consisting of assisted living and independent living facilities um and skilled nursing facilities the site does not contain any Wetlands or streams or flood Hazard areas on site um per review of the
njd uh geeb mappings what's being proposed tonight second microphone microphone just baby being proposed are two amenity
areas that was discussed a backyard garden which is represented on the exhibit up four which will be exhibit A2 which is the backyard garden plan rendering dated 29 2025 um and a pickle ball court activities plan which will be a three
which I'll show shortly um the backyard garden is located at the northern uh property line to the northwest of the main building of the site and as was mentioned it consists of various um features outside there within an
existing um area that had uh amenities already so uh we're the the upgrade is to fix replace those amenities with with additional amenities modernize them um all within limits uh that do not require any pre removal um the amenities are 80
plus feet from the property line at the corner um and don't impact like I said any of any of the existing um vegetation in that location um what's unique about this in terms of storm water management there are five uh rain Gardens that are
being proposed or essentially bio retention basins to be used as small scale uh green infrastructure um Mr as moas pointed out in his uh review letter that um he believes that the site property should be designated as a major development related to storm water we
have um we will agree with his recommendation or his uh point of view on that point and we will provide all the information necessary to do that the small the bio retention Basin do provide the green infrastructure they provide the water quality for TSS removals they
provide the they maintain the average annual recharge on the site and is also providing water quantity reductions s to say it meets the the the quantity criteria um by not exceeding the existing flows that were discharging from the the area that was Disturbed um
originally um so same wise likewise A3 A3 is the pickle ball court and activities plan rendering that is being located um to the north and east of the main building on the on the 50 acre
tract um it will consist it's very simply you have a pickle ball court some outdoor seating and up to the up to the top of that above it to the north is the the dog park location both those are located in lawn areas right now no tree removals necessary for the construction
in fact the dog park actually is maintaining an existing tree in the middle of it to be used as shade for that whole area with fencing around it um once again one rain Garden is being proposed for the uh pickle ball courts that will also you in that area for the disturbance and what's being done will
maintain and meet the storm water regulations for quantity quality recharge and obviously the the green infrastructure requirements um with regards to um the the comment letters
Mr razim moitz the um we have no we take no exception to the comments that are contained within his uh letter and we can comply with those um there was a one comment on a buffer requirement on 2D on page one um the
60ft buffer required from Road Frontage and side and rear yards as I mentioned the um backyard garden improvements are 80 ft the existing vegetation is to remain that's that's fully vegetated from that point to the property line so
uh we believe that the buffer is being maintained that's there right now and no uh additional improvements or plantings would be necessary um um with regards to um the Outside Agency
approvals um we believe that the because there's no Wetlands or flood Hazard areas um noted or streamed on the property um the approval from the D for any land use permits is not required we have submitted for Freehold Soil Conservation District and we're waiting
um a review and approval of that as well as to the middle SE County planning board um and any other internal um reviews that have occurred occur through the township uh professionals or um groups police fire those folks we will
review and address as is appropriate um that about covers the engineering portion unless there's any other items that you wanted to address um I believe that's all for the on the engineering
side so moving to the planning testimony um similar to the last application this property is located in a residential zone so the existing use is is not a permitted use in the zone therefore any Improvement like this one
triggers the need for use variance relief so we are here requesting use variance relief and we do note that um for the plannner report there was a bulk variance called out for the the 10- foot high fence around the pickle ball court
so as those I I believe as those as the two variances that were requesting this evening I'll pass it off to you to provide the justifications thank you so uh planning had on um agreed so the site was had various approvals over the years
the last one being a a D1 use variants um for both the uses of the subdivision so we are requesting a um a D1 use variance for this site for the expansion of the improvements on the property um there are no improvements uh mentioned for any of the buildings any of the
structures any of the parking lots um driveways or any of that nature it's all amenity space located within um existing areas that are V ated off the main roads or adjacent to sidewalks and and and uh pedestrian paths right now um you know
we so I said uh we are requesting the D1 use variant for the uses um for the expansion in a C2 variant also for that 10 for the 10- foot high black vinyl coated chain link fence around the pickle ball court that is located uh officially in the front yard it's
located between the building and the right way line even though that is uh several hundred feet from the the RightWay line over at Jamesburg Halfacre Road um so the I believe there are special reasons for the variance relief the uh
as was as I testified last time I think that the during these minor subdivision plan the same reasons are really uh present on this one the existing use is an inherently beneficial use as a um uh as a how we call I want to make sure I say right a senior living community um
it was it was pointed out in the 2014 approval um that it would be a considered a uh um such a such a use if if it required um a use variance it was a conditional use at that time um yeah
so that the inherit beneficial use is defined as a use which is universally considered a value to the community because it fundamentally serves the public good and promotes the general welfare uh here what I say classification of this use was also noted in the July 29th 2014 resolution
under the findings and conclusions it stated that although the variants did not require a use variance proofs um if it did the use would qualify as an inherently beneficial use which would satisfy the positive criteria and that's where we're um it's stating the same
thing again today um the site is particularly suited for the proposed use it's a complimentary um you know the uses are existing on site the amenities are are adding to it and they complim m to the overall uses on the property that have been approved over the years um I
believe the existing uh uses continue to promote the general welfare and that it advances the purposes of planning pursuant to the township of Monroe's master plan goals and objectives as well as the Miso land use law um and in the 2022 master plan the land use element
goals and objectives item four develop an Implement policies that Comp comprehensively address the needs of an aging population Item B ensure all residents and particularly seniors have access to Quality medical facilities recreational facilities and Commercial opportunities the existing use and the
proposed improvements provided the quality medical facility and the recreational facilities um request that uh stated um regarding this the C variant I believe is Justified under the C2 criteria um the purposes of the mpal land use law
would be Advanced by a deviation from the zoning orance requirement and that variance can be granted without sub stantial detriment to the public good that the benefits of the deviation would out would substantially outweigh any any detriment and the variance will not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the Zone plan or the zoning
ordinance um you know I believe that uh the C2 variance in this case is Justified under the under purpose a promote the health safety morals and general welfare the fence height provides safety to those inside and outside the fence during its use uh the pro and and stated above the pro the
proposed site improvements do not change the character or function of the existing uses on on the property also provides purpose C adequate light air and open space fence does not alter the current light air and open space provided on the site it's a chandling fence that allows all those features to
flow through it only to be used during daylight um hours and no changes to the buildings on site or any other improvements that would impact the those features um are proposed um obviously the negative criteria the variances or relief cannot be granted without showing
that such variance or other relief um can be granted without substantial detriment to the public good and will not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the Zone plan and zoning ordinance um my opinion is that both the D1 and the C2 variances can be granted without substantial detriment to the
public good for the following uses the uses uses an existing use that was approved under prior approvals and no changes to those uses are proposed the existing use is compatible with the other uses in the area and the proposed amenity improvements will not negatively impact the existing Center or
surrounding uses um there's a continued need as you heard in the previous application for this type of use to be maintained in the township the existing use is is an inherently beneficial use as I stated it will not impact on-site parking or circulation uh onsite or any other use on the property um and then
the final one is C2 variants requested is a direct result of the typical fencing required surrounding a ball court is not not a function of the existing uses and no change in the overall site building cover is proposed uh the fence location is over 400 ft from the the
roadway um interior and it's an interior of the internal Road and there's no impact to sight lines or any other um traffic uh issues on the property it's therefore my opinion that the benefits of granting these variances will substantially outweigh any detriments of which no
detriments I don't see any um and I also agree that the that's my opinion the variance can be Grant without substantial impairment to the Zone plan an ordinance thank you uh Mr chair that completes the applicant's testimony all of the Witnesses are remain available if
there's any questions thank you m um so to clarify and put it on record um you would be willing to comply with most of the um items as requested in CME memo February 19th 2025 I heard about the evergreen trees
so I do know about that I've noted that uh with the exception of that one so yes um yes most of them most of them were the Landscaping questions thank you um thank you for clarifying regarding the lot that we were a little confused from
the last time to this time so just making sure you know the final drawings are all um similar to what was approved and everything um do we have any idea where we are on the um the deed sure I can provide an update so um you may
recall the there were some conditions in the resolution that required one access easement and two um reciprocal storm water and utility easements we've prepared them there's been some back and forth between our our
office and the board's professionals I would say they're 99% complete um I think at this point we have compiled the final set of documents ready for submission in fact ready for submission with signatures uh to the board for for
final approval um so we we recognize that the extension goes through March 5th we're hoping we can get it in by March 5th I I think it's realistic it might be a little tight if not we may have to come back once more just for a final um
request for an extension but but where we are to some is those easements including the subdivision Deeds are prepared as of today are signed by the applicant and our office will be submitting all of them to the to the board for final approval and ultimately
recording with the county okay thank you um one clarification we had brought it up regarding whether this is a minor site plan or a preliminary major I just want to put it on record I mean the ordinance just says 300t new construction I know you're proposing new
perolas and new turfs is that new construction and is this prelim final I I believe we've agreed that it's deemed major per the ordinance and in fact I know the fees reflect the the major site plan um fee schedule okay thank you
thank you Mr chair thank you Mark thank you Mr chairman um couple items in my review letter I know you agreed to mute all the the comments but I just want to touch on a couple things
um the lighting you you mentioned that you are providing lighting but then you're also saying that you're not going to utilize this site any the at night so I'm somewhat confused because you got a fire pit you do have all these lights out there I you know why have the lighting
if you're not going to do anything at night so I'll say early evening it it it's not intended most of the residents there 8 9:00 if you're looking summertime they're going back inside so this is not anything that's and it's a
seasonal Garden so it's late spring to early fall something like that so it's say in essence it's daylight hour hours that the the lighting is is um again low voltage path lighting uh more for
Aesthetics than anything okay um and if you can clear up a discrepancy it wasn't noted in my review letter but your Landscaping plan uh for the for the Garden area shows some amenities and then on the
sheet 13 the soil erosion plan has slightly different amenities there's a stage or is there not a stage a stage was removed so that it might have been an earlier version so a little discrepancy there but there's no stage intended so the Landscaping plan is is the accurate the latest one uh the fire
pit that's proposed um How is was that being fed is that natural gas propane gas how propane a a tank it it's um it's we're not running any utilities out there so is where where's the tank is it next to
it how how is that it'll it will be contained I can um if it's not indicated on the plan I'll make sure that it's the plans are revised to show the location and how it's adapted um how it's serviced and and who controls that the residents no it's all by staff okay um
grills I have a concern with the grills some of the locations of the grills on your landscape plan are next to the prola I that that doesn't sound like a uh a safe place to have a grill um so how how are the grills controlled
um it's uh it's through the again the staff it's only um it it it uh when there's a function there's uh food and so forth um it's all being set up and organized by staff um I'll indicate or Weise the
plan to show that uh the grills are away from a structure like that okay like the perola yeah so these are these are regular residential grass gas grills get Home Depot yep and and where do you keep the grills where are
they stored um there's a shed there they'll be stored um uh after use not not every day but I'm thinking seasonally they'll be stored in the in the shed yeah okay
here um with regard to the outside agencies I know you indicated that the you know no Wetlands or njd permits required I just ask for your certification letter as far as wetlands and flood uh and any other D permits the
other outside agencies are all applicable you agree yeah yes so I said soils in County we've submitted for and then you whatever Township uh comments we receive from any of those uh departments we will
um review and and coordinate with them on on addressing okay and last thing is the the canal leer umbrellas you're still proposing them and and you'll provide the details yesing we will coordinate to make sure
that they don't impact any of the storm water piping that's underneath there um also an operation maintenance maintenance manual for your storm water yes yes as a major has a major uh application or major design yes development we will provide I don't have anything else any board members have any
questions I have a question Mr Lop how many grills are you proposing supposed to have out there at any time two two two and they going to be out there permanently or stay out there for the summer for the season I summer seasonal okay and and where
and um when someone wants to use the grill I guess it's open to the residence that they want to have a barbecue or how's that work potenti oh oh a lot of feedback potentially yes um however they would have to get uh permission to do so first we would be controlling the tank so
people could not go out and just use it on whim that was one question all right as I was getting that what so you just wheel it out there and it's like on the lawn or whatever wherever it's wouldn't you wouldn't it be feasible to put put it on something that doesn't uh adhere I mean or or burn rather like a concrete
pad or stone because in the summertime that grass can get dry and they get them little ambers that fall down from those right now I believe it is on we'll check I'll check the plan and verify but it's intended to be on concrete on a concrete surface not on the grass on a pad of
some sort right yeah on a concrete pad okay yes all right thank you sure any other questions from any board members before sorry my voice is shot you were talking about the permeable concrete being not as safe so you're
rejecting that recommendation can you just clarify that I it seems counterintuitive we I understand that um that the poorest concete um that the water will penetrate as
opposed to running off a regular concrete the issue is the voids or the roughness of the Porous concrete for an older adult um maybe with mobility issues or there will be people in wheelchairs or Walkers and so forth out
there it's more difficult for them to navigate on that so that's why we're we're recommending and and have specified a regular surface rete in this case excuse me the concrete will be tinted to reduce the glare so it's not
hurtful to someone's eyes but I would say that's the only difference in regular concrete versus say a tinted concrete but that that's why we're not recommending the poorest concrete one more the donation of land to the township you said what was the answer
yes or no I didn't I didn't hear the the the applicant is is not agreeable to it okay um that being said it's likely in an area that would not be developed easement is there an easement uh well I believe I believe there's a utility easement that runs through it um but
there's no there's no easement from the applicant Miss chairman just on that the the land to the West is encumbered by a uh psng or jcpnl um I guess high tension line utility Usman so um they wouldn't be
buildable all right sure this is one question pickle ball court uh I know you're surrounded by residents okay and there is a noise from the pickle balls okay so just beware you know where you locate
that thing you far enough so the sound doesn't expand on we've taken that into account thank you good point Mr chairman uh I remind me I missed that comment uh what Landscaping is proposed near the pickle ball court what kind of buffering
um there existing trees around there now um there's no additional there are um there's no additional plan things proposed so so I think we'd like to see some Landscaping to buffer that from the
residents you're right in a proximity of their backyards maybe 200 feet away plus or minus from some of those backyards so uh okay to the board memb point and reminded me of that um you we want to see some Evergreens there to try to you know buffer the sound of of the pickle
ball okay and just on the pickle ball is there any lighting proposed at the pickle wall none at all none okay same thing with the dog park none okay thank you if we can work with chairman if we can work with his office for the buffer
we'd be happy to do that yes that's a any other questions seeing there's none I'll open this application to the public anyone in the public public wishing to be heard seeing there's none I make a motion to close the public portion second second all in
favor okay board members we have an application in front of us oh just one clarification before we go to a motion um on your application it was a minor it it was listed as a minor site plan just to confirm for the record the
applicant seeking preliminary and final major site plan that's correct and if there was any discrepancy in the fees the applicant will make the necessary correct I I believe it's already been addressed but yes okay okay board members it's up for a vote I I'll move approval of the application subject to
all the conditions discussed um do appreciate that you're providing these amenities which I think at this point are probably normal accessory uses for this this type of development SEC and secretary roll call please M Carrie yes Mr L yes Mr Master yes Mr tany yes Mr
jaffy yes Mr Cole yes chairman L yes thank you very much thank you okay board members we have we have to memorialize application va-52 53-24 tjs Venture LLC do I have a motion
motion do I have a second second second all in favor uh any discussion items anyone in the public on the public portion wish to be heard on anything seeing there's done I'd like the motion to close the public portion motion to
close second second all in favor I any correspondence I need a motion to adjourn to Second all in favor very good go don't have