WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=q_PcLCbesqA Part: 1 1 00:00:40.000 --> 00:01:03.680 Historic Preservation Commission for Thursday, April 23rd, uh, 2026. Notice has been given in accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act by posting a copy of the notice on the first floor of the municipal building and sending a copy to the Monontlair Times, Star Ledger and 2 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:18.880 Held News. This is a public hearing in which any members of the public are welcome to attend. The meeting agenda is available on the Monontlair website as is a link to the township's YouTube channel where the hearing can be viewed live or after the fact. The hearing is also being televised on channel 34. And 3 00:01:18.880 --> 00:01:35.600 our first order of business today is to elect a temporary chair as um vice chair Graham will be getting here a bit later. Um so chair Bennett and Vice Chair Graham had recommended Mr. Rhynit. So if anyone would like to motion make a motion to elect Mr. Rhynitz as temporary 4 00:01:35.600 --> 00:01:51.600 chair, we can then proceed. This should last about 20 minutes. >> I hope so. >> I make a motion. >> I second. >> Okay, great. So, Mr. Ry, you are now temporary chair. Unanimous. Yeah. Okay, great. >> Okay. My first order of business is ask 5 00:01:51.600 --> 00:02:28.879 you to do the roll call. >> Here, >> Mr. I'm here >> excuse >> here >> and >> okay the next order of business is what does it take to get a quorum here by the 6 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:44.480 way was four >> four okay um is approval of last meetings uh meeting uh minutes approval of the minutes. Any does anyone have any comments on the minutes from last last time? 7 00:02:44.480 --> 00:03:06.319 >> Yes. I just noticed on line 114 there seems to be a missing word >> the the proposed detached blank remains visually subordinate. Uh, I was not here, but I think I can comment on spelling. 8 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:22.159 >> So, line 44, >> Belle View is spelled incorrectly. Bell Vue E. Okay. >> Any other comments about the minutes? >> Notice. 9 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:37.040 >> Okay. Uh there are the next item is resolutions. There are no resolutions that we're looking at. Uh after that comes committee reports and SA you're going to do the committee reports this week. 10 00:03:37.040 --> 00:03:52.400 >> So just quickly um the minor application committee re reviewed and approved uh the signage for Cantino architectural surfaces at 54 South Park Street. Um that was approved with conditions today. 11 00:03:52.400 --> 00:04:08.239 And then application 2026-12 for farmhouse fried chicken at 223 Belleview Avenue uh was approved um as presented or with conditions today um as well. And then in terms of the CLG 12 00:04:08.239 --> 00:04:24.080 grant, we've submitted our annual report. We've submitted our application. We're waiting to hear back. And we've um >> what about the the Kathleen asked about the new the New Jersey Trust for preservation plan for the police? >> We're still waiting to hear back on 13 00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:40.479 that. We um we submitted our documents to get the grant agreement and I believe that's being mailed back to us now. So once we sign that then we can officially start moving on the project and selecting consultants. 14 00:04:40.479 --> 00:05:00.160 >> Okay. So that was committee reports public comment. Would anyone like to come forth just identify yourself and your address? >> Uh good evening. My name is Frank Rebecci. 398 Upper Mountain Avenue uh 15 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:17.759 here in town. Um, I'll be relatively quick hopefully. Um, couple of things. Uh, one, I'm sure you're aware the planning board reviewed 619 631field Avenue. >> I'm sorry, Frank. Could you speak just a little bit louder? Okay. >> I do have my hearing aids in, but 16 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:32.560 they're not they don't seem to be picking you up. >> So, >> better. That's better. That's better. >> I'm sorry. It went off. Is that Is that better? >> Oh, okay. Yes, much better. Thank you. The mic went off. Um so the planning 17 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:51.039 board um may uh voted um to recommend uh the 619 631 Bloomfield Avenue as a uh area in need of redevelopment. That's the office the old office building. It's 18 00:05:51.039 --> 00:06:06.479 not too far from Fleet Street, two two doors up. Um and uh my primary purpose coming here tonight is one to to say I disagree with that recommendation. Um there were I saw 19 00:06:06.479 --> 00:06:23.039 a lot of problems in the process, the procedures and the content. Um but before I push back on this, I really want to know the historic preservation's position on this building. Um because it's very clear just so you understand 20 00:06:23.039 --> 00:06:39.440 the intent. There's no plan right now. There won't be a plan for a while, but the developer, the planning department, and the planning board have all indicated it will be demolished. So I would like to understand before the 21 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:55.919 May 5th meeting where the >> where the historic >> council might have a meeting where the might have a hearing on this. I I know Kathleen has written uh Janice and Zanab and the planning department our concern that we don't that we are involved in 22 00:06:55.919 --> 00:07:12.000 the process. Now the process is so defined usually where we're only advisory in that situation but uh I know she we're we are aware of it. >> I I I'm not making my point clear. That's the process after it gets 23 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:27.520 designated area in need of redevelopment. At that point, the building will be demolished. You will not have any saying in that. And there I'm trying to point this out now because they will point to the 24 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:43.759 record. They made a record on Monday night where all three of them agreed that this building could not be rehabilitated. Okay. So once they made that decision, >> the council has no choice in writing the 25 00:07:43.759 --> 00:08:00.720 plan and proceeding on that basis. So unless there's protest at this juncture, that building is going to go away. I'm just >> uh sab can we divulge the letter that 26 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:18.400 uh Kathleen wrote to you guys regarding this? >> Can I like recite it? >> Yeah. or just >> I don't think that's necessary. I think what I'm asking for is >> that I'm going to get support from the commission itself that says hold it. We 27 00:08:18.400 --> 00:08:33.440 do not want this building going away. It's harmonized altered which is our special category now. Um and that's an issue I'll talk about next. But it I want to understand is the 28 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:50.959 board say, you know what, this is one of those fringe properties and if we lose it, we lose it. We're not going to die on this hill and so forth. And if you're if that's your opinion, fine. But but I need an authority. I need the recognized authority in town to take a position 29 00:08:50.959 --> 00:09:07.440 before I protest this. And I need it to be done in a public way. So, I'm asking, you don't have to give me an answer tonight, but hopefully I'll get some indication shortly. >> Um, yeah, I don't know how we obligate ourselves as a group to that per se, but 30 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:23.360 >> you would pass a resolution to the council saying that we want to protect this building. We do not want it demolished. >> Yeah. >> And if you have to say opinions, >> you you'll get support here. Kathleen is already sort of on top of this. So, I 31 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:38.640 think that's a great idea to write a resolution. Do what? >> Is that the store? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Now the bank the the police station is its own thing on the corner and I believe this redevelopment is between that and >> do you know like the quiznos building 32 00:09:38.640 --> 00:09:54.000 where the house was >> or the office beer bar with the threetory it's the three storefronts to um >> going west and single story. >> That's where I'm confused. They're they're basically going from the police 33 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:11.200 station. You have the Leech building and then you have the Quiznos building which is I think two storefronts but it's the same brick facade that's already area in need of rehabilitation. The next four bays are considered one 34 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:28.079 address one the one block are is three uh 619 631. So you have basically two one-story structures and the main office the office restaurant structure is the threetory stories or four stories 35 00:10:28.079 --> 00:10:42.959 decorative. >> It's a brick build. It's a brick building. It's sort of set behind this onetory facade that runs >> and it sits next to two contributing buildings to the east uh when you get down to Midland Avenue. >> Yeah. I mean 36 00:10:42.959 --> 00:10:59.680 >> so there's a transition issue. So >> here's my next point. We have all these town center historic districts. We have over Montlair. We have Wong. And when we did these, we put them in buckets and we put key contributing harmonized 37 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:15.120 harmonized altered and uh intrusions or things like that. problem is that I think the historic preservation has shifted in that time and now there's only contributing key contributing properties and 38 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:32.320 non-contributing properties key and >> harmonizing >> and contribute go into contributing harmonizing which just to refresh your memory are buildings outside of the period of sign significant I know it's counterintuitive but harmonizing altered 39 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:49.200 are ones that are within the period of significant ificant but they've been altered. >> So what I'm saying is we have exposure in two zones. We have it in the town center historic district which has 40 00:11:49.200 --> 00:12:06.399 40 plus properties that are uh harmonized altered and we have it in the upper Montlair district which has uh like I think 2530 I forget the count. the other two districts are very low amounts of 41 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:24.320 harmonized either way properties. Um, so we're going to be doing a lot of development over the next couple of years and you're also doing a re-examination report and making a contribution to that. I think this might be the time to make a decision to at 42 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:40.079 least put a bullet in the re-examination report that your intent is to address this reclassification. if you want to reclassify into these two buckets and and how are you going to do it because some of the harmonizing altered don't 43 00:12:40.079 --> 00:12:56.639 deserve to be put in the contributing category. They don't have enough going for them. But there are others and I think three uh 619 631 is one of those properties that has the qualifications to go into the contributing category. Uh 44 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:14.959 I'm not sure how that process works or how you would want to define it here locally, but I think it's a re-examination re-examination issue and something that will have to be done whenever you do the master plan rewrite at some point. Um so that was my concern 45 00:13:14.959 --> 00:13:31.040 there. And then uh I think oh and there's some you know there again there's some minor things when you oh the really the big thing is what will be have you guys discussed a process where you're going to engage 46 00:13:31.040 --> 00:13:46.079 with the public to maybe help you get input in contributing to the re-examination report. Uh, I know you always have public comment and so forth, but from a communication point of view, are you going to say, "Hey, let's set something 47 00:13:46.079 --> 00:14:03.519 up so that we can have kind of like a >> So, at our um next May 21st meeting, we're having the preservation awards and then we're going to put notice on the website and with the Monontlair local that um residents are invited to stay after the awards to then have a hearing, 48 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:20.399 not like a hearing, but like give input into any recommendations they have for the report. >> Okay. So, that's going to be the the the one event that's going to try to collect. >> Yeah. And I think >> besides the public sessions, >> besides the public sessions, because I think what we'll say is in our notice that this will be one event and then 49 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:41.680 please keep coming or emailing us anything that you have >> as things come up. We'll let you know. Okay. Great. Thank you very much. >> Yeah. Thanks, R. Always insightful. >> Okay. Let's see. See, that was public comment. We have no old business. So, 50 00:14:41.680 --> 00:14:58.560 now we're on to new business, which is the board of adjustment referral application 2953 105 Upper Mountain Avenue, Yakob Hajazi, uh, block 1503, lot 19, inground pool 51 00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:15.360 and detached garage. Are you guys here to speak to that? Please come up to the microphone, identify yourself and your relationship to the project and Zab are you swear them in or >> Oh yeah, I can do that. Do you raise 52 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:31.040 your right hand and swear to tell the truth about this project and please identify yourselves? >> Sure. Uh my name is Brian Hart. I am the building contractor at Upper Mountain Avenue. I am the owner of Jack Building Contractor LLC which I purchased from 53 00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:49.040 Mr. Is your microphone on? Is a bright green light. >> Could you press the the push button? >> Okay. Okay. >> Do I have to start over? >> No. No. I heard you. But >> I was doing good. We heard you. >> Anything I can get helps me. So appreciate that. >> Um I Anyway, I'm I'm the owner of Jack 54 00:15:49.040 --> 00:16:04.720 Finn and Company and uh >> And you do? >> Yes. Okay. >> Uh my name. >> Sorry. Uh my name is Rich Hiller. I'm a homeowners representative for Yakub at 105 Upper Mountain. Um I do solemnly speak. 55 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:23.279 >> Okay. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Me, too. >> Okay. Um >> Sure. Uh >> Okay. So, go ahead, tell us your story and we'll listen. >> Okay. Um so, our story kind of begins in 56 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:40.959 the middle of likely what is your story as well. I know that this project has been going on for three plus years. We've been on it since uh June of 2025. Uh we inherited a giant mess. Um and 57 00:16:40.959 --> 00:16:55.839 we're doing our best to uh correct it and get it finished. Our current target to finish this project is November 2026. uh at which point we will take all the ugly fences down and uh hand the 58 00:16:55.839 --> 00:17:12.000 property back over to uh the owner. Um there are there were uh significant issues with both the construction and the process of doing construction um which did not conform to kind of good 59 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:29.280 practice in Monontlair. Um we have to date rectified all of those as far as the uh the town is concerned uh the building department uh the inspections of the property and the work and the construction that has been done um and 60 00:17:29.280 --> 00:17:46.480 this next phase of what we're working through is to uh essentially correct >> legalize things essentially. >> Yes. Yeah. Um, so I am, this is my first rodeo uh for something like this, but we just want to kind of do what we're 61 00:17:46.480 --> 00:18:04.160 supposed to do so that uh we can move forward. >> So there you're you're looking for three variant. You're here because you're looking for three variances. >> That is correct. and the planning board because you're in the uh upper mountain, you know, potential historic zone, 62 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:19.679 you're here, they refer you to us for any comment. So, we don't have any ability to say yay or nay. We can make some we can make some suggestions to the planning board and and or the zoning board. Um, 63 00:18:19.679 --> 00:18:36.640 as I unders, well, as I understand it, there are three variances you're looking for. I'm just going to sum I I don't mean to give your testimony, which is the garage was built 4t too close to the side lot line. So, you're looking for a variance for a 64 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:52.480 garage that already exists. >> That's correct. Um, and you're looking for uh to expand coverage, a total coverage on the site because I guess you're doing you're adding a pool, you have all this drive, 65 00:18:52.480 --> 00:19:08.160 whatever. It all adds up to more than lot coverage uh than allowable out coverage. And the the third one, oh >> three, you know. >> Wow. Wow. That's very impressive. That's 66 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:25.120 all I got to say. >> So, you're very accurate and you're very detailed. Appreciate that. So, >> yeah. I'll just note for the record that uh Vice Chair Graham has arrived at uh >> 7:55. Thank you. >> Yes. Okay. So, I now I'm going to turn 67 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:41.200 back over to We're just We're just getting into um the one new business tonight, 105 Upper Mountain. We're just, you know, >> they're here. Well, you got it. So, they're there explaining what's going 68 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:58.000 on. >> Thank you, gentlemen. Yep. >> Okay. >> Um, so yeah, you know, questions, I guess. We have the drawings. Those are the three issues. The garage exists already. 69 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:14.559 >> It's three inches too high according to zone. They're trying to just legalize some things that didn't get done quite right originally. the original was too high >> where the new the new version is new construction. 70 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:31.039 >> You've inherited the project. I see. >> They're correcting a lot of mistakes. >> I see. >> And they're here because there are three variances they need from you guys. >> Uh which is they built the garage four feet too close to the side property line. 71 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:47.039 The garage peak is three inches too high. And they're looking maybe more so the bigger variance is a new variance I think is uh is the amount of lot coverage there is here. >> So this will come before the planning board on those issues. Right. 72 00:20:47.039 --> 00:21:03.679 >> Before the zoning board actually. >> Oh before the zoning board not the planning board. Okay. >> These are Yeah. Right. Correct. >> Got it. Okay. >> So um two of these is legalizing to some degree. just legalizing what's there, how close they are and how high it is. 73 00:21:03.679 --> 00:21:20.080 >> The other is lot coverage, which >> from a historic I don't know if we have an opinion about that or >> I guess we could have an opinion, right? If if it uh uh changes the integity to if it was a parking lot, one big parking lot, right? >> That would be be an issue. 74 00:21:20.080 --> 00:21:35.760 >> Um >> I think >> so. We'll start with questions. Let's go through questions. Nick, do you have any questions? Maybe >> I don't have any questions. I >> could I just explain a little something about lock coverage, right? So, uh, as a builder, right, impervious coverage is always a concern and um, you know, we're doing drainage systems to keep water on 75 00:21:35.760 --> 00:21:52.880 property, things like that. Um, without studying these plans, uh, it might not be super apparent that we put in like the most massive incredible drainage system you could possibly imagine for this lot. Um, there are 12 76 00:21:52.880 --> 00:22:10.480 >> 12. It's a like over a 2,000 square foot uh retention pond buried in the backyard. Uh 12 retention tanks. >> Um >> yeah, >> our purview is more uh from uh the historic character perspective. So we 77 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:26.880 would be I mean that would be a perview of the planning board. I'm I'm the liazison with the planning board uh the uh uh the retention tanks and things like that. We would just want to be analyzing it to see uh to um you know the commissioner's um point if it were a parking lot >> just since you haven't been here before. 78 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:41.919 Yeah. >> Right. We're it's you know you're dotting your eyes and crossing your tees. You have to do that for the planning board. >> Um you know I was the architect on the house next door. I don't know you've seen all the retaining walls in the back 79 00:22:41.919 --> 00:22:58.159 of that property and we have >> major retention system down there and I don't know what I guess is it was all generated by the amount of square footage of site disturbance and coverage. So >> yeah, it became a major 80 00:22:58.159 --> 00:23:14.320 >> Yeah. So any rate, anybody Caroline, you have questions? Jerry, >> I have a question on the garage. Is it done? is done. >> Did you have plans to do something more on it? >> The garage. >> No, no additional plan. No, no changes 81 00:23:14.320 --> 00:23:29.600 to the garage whatsoever. >> Okay. >> When we took it over, the only thing the only changes we made were uh fixing some of the things that didn't work on the interior of the space, like the garage doors didn't open and close properly, things like that. There are I This is This is ridiculous, but this this is a 82 00:23:29.600 --> 00:23:44.880 terracotta roof. uh at the terracotta and it's a hip frame hip style roof at the for lack of a better word there are two big nipples on the I see >> on the ridge uh at the corners we're just looking Hudichi makes these tiles this is an Italian company that makes 83 00:23:44.880 --> 00:24:00.240 these tiles uh we're looking for flatter ones which would bring us below like below we just haven't found them yet we will find them and we will be under that 15 foot thing but it is really like two nipples on top of the roof that were constructed because the builder didn't 84 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:16.799 know necessarily better. Um, and that's why we're >> I wonder Yeah, exactly. Finals and chimneys and >> I don't know. There may be whatever. >> Yeah. So, we'll cut them off. >> Are those is that what's causing the height? Uh, 85 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:32.880 >> I believe so. I mean, the surveyor the engineer doesn't specify it. Okay. >> Um, >> when we said when we were out there and shot it with a laser, >> I have a second question here just to make sure. It looks like the garage materials are the same as the the main 86 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:47.360 house structure. >> That is correct. >> Are they the same? Uh >> yes. So they're all the same >> and all of that is built and complete. And uh is the pool already in place? >> It is not sir. >> That's the only thing that hasn't been done yet. >> Yes. 87 00:24:47.360 --> 00:25:04.400 >> Okay. And for us, I don't think the pool has any historic impact. uh and the other ones uh if they're consistent um I see very little impact on any any uh that's historic and especially since 88 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:21.120 it seems like most of the things are not really visible from from uh any public space >> that was my my question you've answered thank you Sure >> is there going to be an additional fence around the pool or is it uh just the total is it just the total enclosure 89 00:25:21.120 --> 00:25:37.520 around the whole property the fencing >> total enclosures are the current plan >> is the current plan. And then how it looks like there's going to be um landscaping to screen the pool. Is that the plan or is there going to be any other any other screens there or just the landscaping? >> The landscaping as you see it in those renderings is our our current plan. Of 90 00:25:37.520 --> 00:25:54.000 course, we're open to >> Yeah. >> As far as the screening goes, like those green giants, all of the perimeter plants are in place. We have an 8ft tall fence in the backyard. So even if the tree were to die, you're not going to be able to see in from a neighbor's property. >> Yeah. And that's on the ex um the outer 91 00:25:54.000 --> 00:26:10.080 uh the edge of the property, right? Not there's no there's no fence where those green uh >> uh where the green landscape of the tall >> uh in the back of the yard there is a fence. Uh on the sidey yards >> on the edge of the property, right? >> On both edges, north and south. Um there is a fence uh we share with the 92 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:25.679 neighbors, but the Green Giants are the primary block >> for the pool. Okay. And is the fence across the front of the property on the road, is that a new fence or is that >> It will be a new fence. The existing fence was gone when we began. >> Uh so it needs to be reconstructed. And 93 00:26:25.679 --> 00:26:43.279 our goal is f first we had to uh correct the the pillars, the columns that existed um just to bring them like out of a state of deterioration. And we're going to put rod on fences back to match the original in between all those pillars as well as gates. So you think 94 00:26:43.279 --> 00:27:00.080 the those pillars were historic? Correct. The all the the place this >> they were put there in like the the 60s they went. So they're not original to the 1905 property, but they've been there probably long time. >> Been by I go by that this house every 95 00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:14.960 day >> and been watching it for a long time. But >> they're in sync, you know, in terms of character and material and period >> of the house, you know. So they look they look and I think there's tall 96 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:30.400 there. They haven't gotten bigger in height. They're just being restored. Right. >> Yeah. So they were there. >> So >> yeah, if if I may, I think this entire project as far as we've been on board. Um we've been trying to, you know, honor the house and its uh historical 97 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:46.799 significance. Um we're not really trying to change anything. In fact, in the in the mid60s, there was an addition on the side of the home that blew off when there was hurricane force winds. And we're actually putting it back. So, it's going to look more like 1905 than it has in the last hundred years. 98 00:27:46.799 --> 00:28:03.679 >> So, that's good. >> Putting it back with approval from the zoning. >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And is depicted in those rendering. It's it's on the south side of the building. Uh there's three arches and a terrace. Sorry, >> if I'm not mistaken, I think that this 99 00:28:03.679 --> 00:28:19.600 house when the work started is what made the HPC reeal re-evaluate the demolition or >> correct for the facades. Yes, >> for the facades because they were just torn off and >> but they've been restored. >> They've been restored. It is it is 100 00:28:19.600 --> 00:28:36.880 restored. It's it's within 95% of >> uh the original we have the original drawings uh original like watercolors. >> Um it's very very very close. Um >> they've done you should go by it's actually you know surprising they've 101 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:52.000 done a great job surprising nevertheless. >> I have a question. Um so on the plot plan where the evergreens are it says there's a proposed wall. Is that um >> you okay? >> Yeah. >> It's on the south side of the building 102 00:28:52.000 --> 00:29:08.240 >> right here like aligning with the open porch. >> Yes. So this is a wall that will be at grade height on this side, grade height on this side and grade will continue level from here to there. >> Oh interesting. >> So it's it's it's a retaining wall, >> right? >> Um 103 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:24.000 >> due to the slope of the property, that's the only way to achieve a pool back there. you know, there no other way to put a pool in. >> Yeah. And I I don't I'm not sure exactly what the height is. Um I could probably find that it's probably like 4t or so high, >> but you you can't see it from the 104 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:41.120 street. The walls behind the grade, you know, >> right? >> Yeah. You will never see >> how how did the garage end up at 8T? Do you have any idea? >> Uh if you met the previous builder, uh it's like >> nothing would surprise you if you met the previous guy. Yeah, >> I Yeah, I have along that line, you 105 00:29:41.120 --> 00:29:57.520 know, it's not just the builder too. We're assuming the drawings, original drawings were done correctly by the architect. >> Yeah. >> Where was even the architect during construction? No architect, no design. >> There you go. You know, 106 00:29:57.520 --> 00:30:15.039 I have in looking at that issue, I know that Caligan's next door. I don't know if they know this or not. >> They do. They do. They do. I I've had a lot of communication with Cal. Okay. Okay. Uh because they were not happy when this thing was being built originally. But at any rate, I'm 107 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:31.039 concerned about this uh retaining wall that falls the corner falls right on the property line. I don't know. That's a that's a zoning. >> The retaining wall is actually about 5t off of the property line. There there's a pathway between the neighbor's fence 108 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:46.640 and that retaining wall. >> Not the property line. Not going to this drawing. Let me or maybe I'm wrong. Could be wrong. >> This um can take a look. >> Our our sewer line actually runs down that side Callahan sewer line actually ties into it as well. 109 00:30:46.640 --> 00:31:04.159 >> Is that what Am I reading this wrong? >> Where's what's the property line? We can pick them up on them. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm talking about this corner right here. I believe this is the property line, right? The fence is running. 110 00:31:04.159 --> 00:31:19.760 >> It does appear that way from the plans. Yeah, >> we Yeah, we can take a look at that. This this this wall is it physically square to the building. So, I don't I don't know that it's drawn correctly. >> I don't know that it's surveyed correctly. >> Is this parallel to the property line? You think it is? >> Yeah, 111 00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:35.039 >> because that gets into keeping this I mean this turns into a mess no matter what ultimately. So, yeah, >> hopefully it's that would be my concern. >> Yeah, we I can bring you I can send that to you like I can I can or we can go take a look together. Okay, that would 112 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:50.159 just be my advice to zoning to take a hard look at that. >> That's all we get to say. So, >> this is this is the actual area. >> Oh, well that um >> the vinyl >> the the property line and the fence aren't the same. >> Ah, I see. 113 00:31:50.159 --> 00:32:05.279 >> So, just it they're not using it. >> I understand that. You're seeing this space here. The fence and the and here, but that's not between the property line and there. >> That makes sense. the actual sewer line for both properties run down that that 114 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:22.159 hallway between the space and the >> it's running but then it's running it's crossing the pro you know there's the property line right there the dark you know what I'm saying so just uh it's done already right >> it is done yeah 115 00:32:22.159 --> 00:32:37.760 >> that's that would be my only comment I think >> okay >> I have another question over here >> the front driveway way and your plan say it's proposed. It seems excessively wide. Is 116 00:32:37.760 --> 00:32:55.039 this driveway? >> Um, >> is that uh normal width or what? >> I don't know that the renderer got it right. Right. Because this is just >> Can we just uh make sure we pick you up on the mic? Uh is there a handheld? Is there a handheld? Yeah. >> Yeah. So, here it's 266 I think in this 117 00:32:55.039 --> 00:33:11.679 visual. Maybe it looks a little bit bigger. >> It looks a lot bigger. Okay. So, I'm uh >> So, you're saying it's not going to look like that? This looks like it's >> it's a country home that's made to look like a uh 118 00:33:11.679 --> 00:33:27.679 >> look like it's a city home with with surrounded by concrete every place. >> Yeah, this doesn't feel the way the property does. There's a lot of grass here or it's soil right now. It's not grass. So, I I think that the the the representation here of the 119 00:33:27.679 --> 00:33:44.480 >> All right. You're you're probably right. This shows uh 61. Uh well, let me see if that's 61 ft. >> I'm not sure what >> Oh, here's a >> It seems that historically there was a lot of painting in front of the house, too. 120 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:59.440 >> These were his out of scale. This is more what it looks like. >> See the front? >> Okay, that looks more in scale. >> Yeah, the front planting area is very large compared to this. >> Okay. Someone in Poland did this, right? 121 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:15.200 >> Well, that's okay. That's what I was looking at. This looked out of proportion. I didn't have that before. >> Right. And then what we're missing here is the curving like this curving along the house which actually sticks out probably five six feet from 122 00:34:15.200 --> 00:34:30.320 >> this porch area. Okay. >> Yeah. I think this is this is accurate scale on this curving here, but this is probably more. >> You were all of the impression this is a misrepresentation. This shows it larger than it will be. >> Absolutely. >> For the front driver. 123 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:47.119 >> Yeah. And these are just for viewing purposes. They're not they're not meant to be built from. >> Yeah, I know. I just wanted to show you. >> That's why I had to ask you the question. I think >> Jerry Jerry Jerry, can I just comment? The only thing we can comment on here is the garage. 124 00:34:47.119 --> 00:35:02.400 and the lot. Oh, you're going to lot coverage. How much coverage there is altogether? Is that it? >> I'm surprised we couldn't comment on No proposed driveway that looked like it was disproportion. >> You're right because that's a variance is the coverage. >> Yeah. 125 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:19.920 >> Yeah, you're right. I'm wrong. >> That's why I'm not >> I wouldn't put that. >> But the questions were answered. I'm comfortable now. So, so that was the only thing that I was concerned about. >> Thank you. >> I have one quick question. Just when you 126 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:35.599 decide when you're working on the >> um the fence and the walls, do you have more detail on the proposed materials that you're using or is there are they already up the wall the fencing and the walls? >> They were already up before we started. So, that right now they're really really ugly poured concrete and we're going to 127 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:50.400 clad them in materials similar to the house. Okay. Uh so the front retaining wall which is not really visible on that but is is pretty obvious uh on this plan here. This wall will be clad to match the stucco of the house with a limestone 128 00:35:50.400 --> 00:36:07.760 cap. Uh and these walls in the back will be clad with stucco just a different color. >> A different color stucco and limestone caps >> so that the wall won't limit visibility from the front though, right? >> Absolutely not. >> No, it's low. It's the uh the planting bed is level with the top of the wall on 129 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:30.560 the west side and then there's a drop down of like 3 ft. >> Then there's plantings all here and then this will only on this side of the wall uh this will be 1 ft above grade. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Is this drive all installed already? The 130 00:36:30.560 --> 00:36:46.720 curbing is >> curbing is >> the curbing uh and the north apron is installed. The south apron is prepped for installation >> from here to here. Uh this has not been installed. And then I have the substrate for this but it has not been clad with the final >> cover. This and this has been installed. 131 00:36:46.720 --> 00:37:03.520 >> Uh 90%. Yes sir. >> Jerry has a point about how wide this is. >> They say it wasn't that >> now that I'm focusing on it. Is this this drive here think it's at 28 ft? Let me show you this picture. >> Well, there always there's not. This is inaccurate in terms of dimension. 132 00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:18.880 >> I think that might be >> it is inaccurate. >> It is inaccurate. Well, I mean >> because 28 ft, you need 18 ft for two cars to go by each other. And then this is even another 10 ft. So, you can park side and run people past. That's as big 133 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:34.800 as it is. >> This may show you a little bit more scale if you can just look at how big of a vehicle is. And this curbing isn't installed in this picture, but it's it's right about it might be three or four feet wider than two cars. >> Yeah, the scale is deceiving. 134 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:49.359 >> So maybe the impervious coverage calculation is incorrect as well. >> It's a tough site. We So we in in trying to get this right and accurate, we got the engineer correct. >> I just want to make you survey this um you know based on the date of that plan, but that doesn't necessarily mean that 135 00:37:49.359 --> 00:38:05.760 he got everything right. So we maybe we should check that again because that would probably put us closer to under the >> Yeah, a few feet along the entire length of that driveway is 136 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:23.119 >> this is a lot. This is a lot. Even from a even from a construction expense, >> it just seems like it's bigger than that. For a house like that, there's there's five grown people going to move this house. They probably want room for cars. >> Yeah. 137 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:38.320 Okay. >> Any other comments? Anything else? We can >> My simple thoughts on like all the more the vehicles they need. >> So I love it. Thank you, >> Zab. What are we going to say to >> Yeah. So I will say >> I'm sorry. 138 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:55.280 >> Are there any recommendations? >> I didn't really hear any recommendations. >> I think recommendation is to reduce the width of the front. >> Yeah. reassess the impervious coverage calculation. >> Uh to take a hard look at where that u 139 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:11.760 well hard look >> um >> reviews assess, you know. >> Yeah, that's a tough situation. You know, if someone does something on the other, you're going to end up with this >> strange little triangle that 140 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:27.359 >> retaining wall next to the garage. >> And I also have a garage foundation to consider taking that wall down. Yeah, I'm just talking about maybe trying to get around the Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's not as bad as this drawing indicates either. I don't know. We can't tell exactly where the property line is. 141 00:39:27.359 --> 00:39:42.800 >> Doesn't look out of square to the building, but yeah, I don't I don't know how it is relative to the property line. >> Yeah. So, anyway, so just >> and also the uh what was the technical term for the roof of the the finials? >> Finals. Pineials 142 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:57.359 replace the >> pine correct. >> So are you going to be reducing those down either way or you're okay? >> Yeah. I mean it's at an angle. >> They look >> not so good. Okay. They look like the giraffe. 143 00:39:57.359 --> 00:40:13.359 >> Little things. >> That's about That's about the right amount of space. >> Yeah, but unfortunately that's not where the property line is. >> Absolutely. >> I just make sure that you can see it. >> Yep. Okay. >> All right. Yeah. I think overall though, 144 00:40:13.359 --> 00:40:29.599 um, do we want to do comments because I think overall you all have done a very nice job >> of maintaining the the character of that home. So, thank you for that. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> We have a different issue down the street and we appreciate what you what you're doing on Upper Mountain. 145 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:45.760 >> Very different issue down the street. Yes. >> Where's one? >> We won't we won't go there right now. >> We won't go there right We we we're working on it, but uh but yeah, but we appreciate the work you all have done here. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you guys. 146 00:40:45.760 --> 00:41:02.640 >> So >> So what part are we at? The meeting >> closing out. It's >> I just want to bring up one thing. Um >> we're down here after after new business. >> We're done. Yeah. I do want to bring up um >> I'll take it all. >> I'll keep 147 00:41:02.640 --> 00:41:19.960 you guys. >> No. If you need these, please. >> I'm going to take this. Such a nice drawing. Keep this one. >> You can have all this here. >> Please feel free. Thank you so much. >> Survey stuff. You know, everything costs money, right? 148 00:41:20.240 --> 00:41:36.000 >> Wonderful. >> Yeah, they're great. >> They're great. Just don't get on the wrong side of dog. Just so glad you're the one in charge of this project. I think we turned a corner. I met with them yesterday talking about like 149 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:56.119 >> doing something >> extending. >> Yeah, we'll have to see. >> And I was like, they're never going to approve that. >> Okay. Thank you. Good work, guys. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. >> Question. 150 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:17.520 >> I just want to briefly >> so I just have I want to bring up one issue briefly. Um there's a uh one of the surveyed homes 185 firm would have it's on my block. Um the facade looks like it's been stripped and uh I want to 151 00:42:17.520 --> 00:42:36.000 make sure that um do we make ensure that the materials being used are historic when they uh I'm concerned. I thought I might have seen some aluminum siding potentially going up and I want to make sure for a survey at home. I know we're redoing the um the uh facade demo 152 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:52.720 portion of the ordinance uh to make sure that we're have more we have more protections about what's removed. But I want to make sure what people are replacing matches. And are we making sure that the materials are um the historic charact matching the historic 153 00:42:52.720 --> 00:43:08.720 character of the old home? >> I don't think we have a process. >> Uh is your microphone on? Yeah. >> Yeah. Um I'm not sure if we have a process at this moment to like ensure that they're um replacing materials in kind. We do do that for the landmark properties as 154 00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:24.800 >> this is a survey property. I believe it's 185. It was the sew um I forget the name of it exactly. >> I'm not familiar with it. So I have to ask the zoning office. >> 185 Fernwood. Please make sure that they are confirming what uh materials are being replaced. >> Uh are replacing what was removed. 155 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:41.440 >> So we don't want like vinyl aluminum. >> Absolutely not. It's got to match what was there. This goes to this whole demolition ordinance and >> um 50% and all this different language. People come along just >> Yeah. you will leave the walls behind 156 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:57.599 and everything else comes off. >> So, yeah, we're we're we're working on this ordinance. >> It's similar to what we did, Jerry, with Kathleen. And we're we're making sure we're tightening up. I want to make sure the ordinance has teeth as well because I don't want >> I think it needs some more teeth. I >> Yeah, I do not want developers. Uh 157 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:13.040 >> that's exactly what we were sort of dealing with. Someone came in >> being disrespectful of our ordinances. >> They asked us what, you know, the parameters were. We let them know. They came back with a plan that we we told them you're going to get a lot of push back on this. You are going to be scrutinized for this. Make sure if 158 00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:27.920 you're really going to pursue this that this is worth it for you and >> yeah, >> make sure it's in compliance. >> As we discussed, let's make sure everything goes to the to the um demo committee, okay, for for the HPC. >> And um I we'll talk about the other 159 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:44.800 issue offline. U but I do want to meet with that with with those that developer architect and and uh contractor. Yeah, we've also looped in our attorney just like >> let's get everybody on on board. >> Make sure we're we're all good. >> Okay. >> Um that's all I had. Does anybody have anything else they want to bring up? 160 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:59.920 >> All right, then I will make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Opposed? >> Carried. All right. Thank you. >> All right. So, just a couple of reminders just for our ourselves. Um, our next meeting is May 21st and we'll do the preservation awards and then 161 00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:14.960 we're asking members of the public to attend if they're able to to provide any input on the re-examination report. And then our next meeting after that will be June 18th. Um, and we'll meet at 6:30 to do a training on demolition reviews by 162 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:30.640 Steven and Janine and then we'll move into our regular meeting. >> Terrific. >> I I have questions about um the comments on the master plan. Is that something? >> Oh, if we're going to do that, I should we should reopen the meeting then. If we're going to do that, should we should do Do you want to reopen for >> Well, yeah, 163 00:45:30.640 --> 00:45:47.040 >> we may have closed already. Uh Rick, are we still recording? >> I think because they did not had an announcement. >> All right, good. So, motion motion to reopen. >> Okay, >> all in favor? >> I All right. Is that something we have 164 00:45:47.040 --> 00:46:03.920 discussed with not having been here that long previously or is it something that we will be discussing? >> Uh what's that the master plan review? We've been discussing it. Um I think um sorry we have a committee that we should engage. Um I believe 165 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:21.839 we've talked about uh comments uh that we want to >> to incorporate >> to incorporate. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, John. >> Um when does this have to be done? It's um by the end of the year. >> End of the year. >> I think it's November, right? November. I think it's >> Do we have a committee that's committed 166 00:46:21.839 --> 00:46:37.440 formed? I will send I'll look at who's on it and if anyone else wants to join >> part of it join the committee. >> Let's make sure on you too. >> Absolutely. >> Let's see who's on it and then uh Kathleen should be on that as well. I think if and it can only be three. So I think that would be a good that would be 167 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:52.480 a solid group. >> Okay. >> Thank you. We have right now uh Michael, myself and Kathleen are working looking close getting deep into the woods on the demolition ordinance and all the 168 00:46:52.480 --> 00:47:09.280 >> problem you know >> tough to wrap your head around like >> Jerry uh and Kathleen and I had done some some work on that. So I think we have a foundation. We just got to find that. We've got to find that. Um I think Janine has it and we're going to go we have to go through that because it it really did I think address a lot of 169 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:25.680 >> we're also trying to look at other ordinances in other towns and see how they're >> dealing with it and maybe their approach cuz um >> ours is a a little complicated to understand and then b it's manipulable I guess if that's a word. 170 00:47:25.680 --> 00:47:40.400 Yeah. I think part of it will be to make sure that they're um honoring the spirit of the law would be to make sure things go to a demo committee. >> Was not Yep. Okay. All right. So, once again, anything else anybody wants to bring up? 171 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:51.240 >> All right. Uh motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. All right. Now officially. >> Thank you. >> Thank you all.