That's what I wasn't understand. >> No. >> Good afternoon. I will now call the July 14th planning commission meeting to order. May we have roll call, please? >> Moral. Merl. Merl. >> Merl. Sorry.
>> Moral. Yep. >> Merl. >> Moral. >> Moral. >> Yep. >> Got it. Sorry. >> That's all right. >> I forgot. It's been two months since you've been here. >> Uh, Shonac, >> present. Tangquist, >> present. >> Seagull, >> present. >> Casper,
>> present. McDougall >> here. >> Krabanhoff >> here. >> Is there a motion to approve the July 14th agenda? >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All those Is there any discussion?
All those in favor by signify by saying I. >> I. >> All those against, same sign. And the agenda has been approved. Is there a motion to amend or approve the minutes of the May 4th meeting? Is there a motion? >> Motion to approve
>> and second. >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor of my signify by saying I. >> I. >> Against. Same sign. And those minutes are approved. >> Regarding items not on the agenda for this evening, are there citizens here to
be heard on other subjects? Any citizens here to be heard for items not on the current agenda? Seeing and hearing no one, we will move along to public hearings. Yes.
>> So, Robin, I want to make sure I have a lot of this printed out, but what I have on the screen is July 14th, and this is July 15th. What I brought. Is everybody else seeing that?
And I just want to make sure >> printed out the agenda. >> Yep. >> Yeah. The agenda should still say July 14th. >> What's up on the screen is the correct agenda. >> Okay. >> Very good. >> Good. Okay.
That brings us to public hearings. Our first is a request of Lowry Engineering for preliminary and final plat for Prairie Parkway fifth edition. Is there a motion to open the public hearing? So moved. >> Second. >> Second.
>> Those in favor may signify by saying I. >> I. >> Oppos. Same sign. And the hearing is now officially open. City planner Houston, would you please provide the commission with an overview of this particular item. >> Chair Seagull, Assistant City Planner Britney Cameron will present this item.
>> Thank you, Chair and Commissioners. Lowry Engineering on behalf of Prairie Parkway 2 LLC is requesting a preliminary and final plat related to Prairie Parkway fifth edition which is a reconfiguration of Prairie Parkway fourth edition approved by planning
commission in February but not recorded or built. Also in April a portion of 41st Avenue South was vacated for the configuration of the street that originally went through this proposed storm water pond lot. This proposal will
redesign the two vacant lots originally intended for multif family units into lots for a mix of single family detached homes, twin homes, and town homes. No public comments have been received to date. Uh staff is
recommending the planning commission recommend approval of the preliminary and final plaque to the city council subject to the four conditions listed in the report. Please let me know if you have any questions. Are there any commission questions or comments regarding this particular item?
I do have one question myself. Uh looking at under the proposal review as distributed access streets and mobility, access to this area will be available from the new 23rd Street extension and 28th Street.
What extension of 23rd Street would that be? >> If you look on your screens, uh, this is 23rd, the new 23rd Street extension. It's not built yet, and it goes to 40th Avenue right here. >> It will join 40th Avenue.
>> Yes, it will. So, there is one, this development has access off of 40th and 28th Street. I would on the plat I did not see engineering notes noting that there will be a joining of those paved surfaces. >> It's because it's already platted and
it's part of second edition. So it the plan I can pull it up in the packet if you like. See it's on this is the plat. Um, this is actually the fourth edition that we approved earlier this year. And this is
the 23rd Street that connected to the 41st Avenue. And then the new plat is very similar, just the the lots got laid out differently and the 41st Avenue got rerouted
um or excuse me, vacated. So this is the fifth edition. So 23rd Street that goes to 40th Avenue here. 41st Street um ends here and then it goes down and around these new parcels and then there's a new street called
Dragonfly Lane and that circles both of those circle around to 41st Avenue again and then to 28th Street. >> So there will be both a north access and an east access to that particular platted area. >> Correct. >> Okay. Other questions from um members of
the group here? Are there public comments to be made? Yes. >> Um is there any impact to public utilities or anything? I think there's an increase in lot size. Was that investigated? >> Yeah. So um with fourth edition,
they had already installed some of the utilities for second edition. So I don't I don't believe you were on the commission when we approved fourth edition. So the sewer pipe there there is a sewer pipe that was extended through this area and that will be
abandoned because now the they're going to place a storm water pond here. But these all these new parcels um they're slightly reconfigured from the fourth edition but they will have access all of them will have access to public utilities. There's just some have been installed
already with second edition. It's hard to keep track of all the additions. >> Any other commission questions? >> Question about 23rd Street South. Is it only go to 41st
Avenue South coming off of 40th? >> It goes to the ditch. So it currently there is not an access over the ditch. So it it deadends. So 23rd Street there will be you know some pavement past 41st
Avenue and then it that's how you get into the development is here. Um when we did second edition which is not shown on this but I can show you on the GIS map there is planned there is a there was a
planned connection for 23rd Street to go west. Um if I turn on So this purple area is a easement and this was meant for a private driveway. So 23rd Street was going to extend or
you could access going west from this private driveway, but second edition is kind of up in the air, so we're not sure exactly what's going to get built there yet. But for now, 23rd Street will dead end at the ditch and then uh you can go to 41st Street, circle around and go out
to 28th Street. >> Thank you. Any other commission questions? Questions from those present in the public? >> So, Robin, real quick, is there only one one way in and out of that uh parcel then? Right now, just on 28th because
you said 23rd, >> there's actually no way in because it's not built yet. I think it's it's in the process of being built. Um they did the utilities last year. So once they I think 23rd Street may have been started. I don't know Clay, you can
maybe answer that. Do you recall what got started or second? Not started. So yeah, there's actually no access. So once this plat gets formalized, they decide to record it, then those streets would get built. Um
and then obviously have to update um utility placements for the new lots as well. >> Thank you. >> But if you go out there that corner, you can see there's some there's been some work happening since last year, I believe. Um when it when the second
edition was So second edition got approved last year. Fourth edition got approved earlier this year. Now we're doing fifth edition, which is really fourth edition, just re redoing fourth edition. Other questions from either members of the commission or the public?
Hearing none. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Those in favor may signify by saying I. >> I. Oppose. Same sign. And that hearing is closed. Is there any more discussion or is there
a motion for the item that was under discussion? I'll make a motion to approve with the four conditions that are stated in the packet. >> Second. >> Second. >> Is there any further discussion? Hearing
none, those in favor may signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Same sign. Motion's passed. We have a motion now to recommend approval to the city council
the preliminary and final plat for Prairie Parkway fifth edition contingent on the items that you see listed in your packet. >> Oh, sorry, Chair. You already they already made a motion. >> Okay. Uh you just didn't >> that'll move us along to the uh
>> spell it all out. Yeah. >> Second request. This comes from Houston Engineering for preliminary and final plat and zoning map amendment for Partridge Creek second edition. Is there a motion to open the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second.
>> Second. >> All those in favor by signify by saying I >> opposed. Same sign. Public hearing is now open. City Planner Houston, would you provide the commission with details and an overview on this particular item?
>> Thank you again, Chair. Uh, Assistant City Planner Britney Cameron will take this item as well. >> So, thank you, chair and commissioners. Uh, Partridge Creek LLC is requesting a preliminary and final plat zoning amendment to reszone two parcels from
transitional to residential low density 3 for proposed Partridge Creek second edition. The developer intends to reconfigure approximately 24 acres south of 40th Avenue 40th Avenue ditch and west of Partridge Creek Edition and
replplat block four of Partridge Creek Edition by extending these lots 20 ft. The proposal creates 100 lots for single family residential development and one lot for the ditch to meet market demand. Uh the proposal is similar and compa and
and compatible with the surrounding land uses. Um after the packet was posted, some discussion took place about a required second access point for this area that will now have 164 residential lots. Staff has updated the conditions
of approval for access that now states one access in and out of the development is not permitted. A permanent second access from 28th Street south is temporarily waved for the second edition with the condition that either a
temporary access um an example a gravel road that can accommodate public safety vehicles must be provided with the second edition as approved by the city engineer or a permanent access is provided via 23rd Street South with the
second edition. No public comments have been received to date. Staff suggests the planning commission recommend approval to the city council the preliminary and final plat and zoning amendment for Partridge Creek second edition contingent on the conditions outlined in the packet.
Please let me know if you have any questions. >> Are there any commission questions or comments regarding this particular item? Um, who's the authority for the ditch that goes through that?
Believe that's a Well, let me double check. Do you I think it's a city ditch, but I thought I saw there was a county label on it as well. Um, yeah, I think it's ours. I believe it's ours. >> Very good.
>> Yeah. Now that I think about it, the Partridge Creek first edition platted a lot and they have to deed that ditch portion to us and they'll have to do the same for the second portion because it will be uh this this section of the ditch will now get platted as a lot of
Partridge Creek second edition and they will deed that to the city um for sto like for storm water. Uh will that be u act as retention or just part of the storm water plan? >> It's part of the storm water plan. I I
honestly don't know like how much water it holds, but it probably serves as kind of a cleaning mechanism as the storm water flows through the area >> here. Thank you. >> Could you w Excuse me. I'm sorry. Right ahead.
>> Thank you. Could you walk us through um the entrances as they are now on this and the proposal or the options? >> Yes. So, right now um this is Partridge Creek first edition. So, when this this um these 64 lots were
approved, they were approved with one access point from 28th Street South here. um and that condition did require that we would wave a permanent second access if they would provide a second
access with a future phase. So this second addition which you're considering tonight is a future phase and that's why you should address that's where we're going to address that second access. We don't recommend that it's a permanent access going to 28th Street because we
won't know how these the rest of these lots are laid out until he's ready to plat the third phase. Um the second alternative for access is to put a a covert over the ditch so that 23rd
Street here could be extended to the north to exit off of 40th. So, right now, this these lots have a permanent access if they go out through um here to 28th Street. They could possibly do a um
temporary gravel road south of this is a city property south of the water tower to get to 28th. Um or they could do a permanent um access crossing the ditch. They are going to talk about the city engineer will talk about that with the developer to see what he wants to do.
Other questions from the commission. >> Does does the city engineer uh communicate with the fire and and uh ambulance service about a temporary gravel road? >> Yes. So I talked to the fire chief
yesterday and he is he is okay with the language as it's spelled out in the report. Um that's why there's language in there about it has to be adequate to hold the weight of a fire truck. You can't just put a gravel path. >> Yes. from 28th Street on those, you
know, soft egg land, they would, you know, they would sink. So, it will have to be built up um to a standard that could hold those um trucks. >> And they're saying that that's temporary. >> That would be temporary until the rest of the property and the phases are kind
of laid out so we could see where that when it's a permanent access for the development, the Partridge Creek master plan area. Um then it then they would create a permanent access off of 28th Street for those uh developments.
>> How was it how was it I know I wasn't part of this one for the first phase but how was it worded for the for the access? >> So for the first edition um it was worded so in the subdivision the subdivision code requires two access points and it's
mostly for public safety. Um so if a developer doesn't want to provide that second access point they ask for a waiver. So in the first edition we did give them a waiver temporarily but then the condition of approval was uh in the next phase you would have to provide a
temporary access point for um if you're going to add more more lots. So the first the first phase was only 64 lots. So they were okay with having the one access but now it's going to be 164 lots. So now we feel like it's it's important to get a at least a temporary
second access. Um we've done this in other parts of the city, particularly Tessa Terrace has a gravel second access for some of their development. Um and that's actually been there for a while. So it does work. Um but we just you don't know what the you know the economy
is going to do. We can't force him to master plan the rest of the um property south of these first two additions. Um we feel like based on conversations he's going to continue to do single family development, but we just don't know how
fast. So we're just kind of waiting to um update a master plan to see where that second access will be permanently. He's got quite a bit of um this is all of his frontage here south of the water tower property. This is a
private um residential property that's in the township. So it'll be somewhere here. the the permanent uh access once they figure out if it's going to come up, you know, where it's it'll probably come off from here, I would assume. Or it could possibly come up one of the
streets over here, too. Once we get more information, we'll lay that out like next year. You'll probably be seeing him for third edition, and maybe he'll have a little um further understanding of how he wants those lots to lay out. >> Okay. Thank you.
Is the long-term plan to connect to 40th or 23rd at some point? >> So, when we when we talked to um the developer with the first edition, he wasn't interested. It's very expensive to put a bridge over in a culvert over
the ditch. So, he wasn't interested. city the city staff. We talked about like, you know, maybe in the future we could look at at least doing a ped bridge over the ditch or if it's problematic um only having accesses off of 20th 28th, we could take a look at a
permanent. It's just kind of unknown at this point. But um so with the two options presented to the developer, he can kind of decide because a a gravel road for that length, it won't be cheap either. so he can kind of look at the cost and there might be some cost
sharing available between the city and the developer to put it over 20 23rd Street because it does make sense. It's just uh um extra cost that he was not interested in with the first edition >> question.
Yeah, I don't want to um beat up on this, but I'm all for the growth, so know where I stand, but um how long um has this happened in other areas? Is this sort of a new
thing with one without having another temporary? >> We've had other situations like I mentioned earlier, Tessa Terrace does not have a second permanent access. They still have a temporary, right, >> gravel road. So, it just kind of depends
on what what you're platting, what the developer has control over because he could have, you know, maybe he wouldn't have control over that south parcel. So, then we would probably have to he would have to reconfigure his parcels to get a second access now, a permanent second
access because he doesn't control it, unless maybe in the future he had plans to buy it, and we just don't know that. There's always scenarios um for that. >> Yeah. And I we can't predict the future. And I that's what I was thinking too. The only one I could think was Tesla.
>> That's personally like I that's the only one I know about. There may have been others and they could have been corrected by now like you know when they started >> like Horizon Shores is huge >> that could that could easily happen there up there too. But with that, is
there a uh I want all the success in the world out here, but is there a a time frame that you give them guidance to or is it just kind of left very vague? And >> we can give guidance in the developers agreement and that's probably what we'll
discuss. Um when they did test a terrace, they did not put a sunset on that gravel road and it's it's been there for a while. So that's something we'll discuss with the developer. you know, the city engineer may want it with the next phase. Um once they plat maybe when they once they plat this area, then
yeah, you have to put in the permanent um access, but he may have intentions of platting this area next. We just I don't we don't know. Um so if it makes sense to plat this area next, he could we could probably get a uh the permanent access in with the next edition. We just
kind of have to wait and see what the economy is doing next year. >> I get it. Thank you. Other questions from the commission? >> I have a couple questions. Go ahead. >> Nope. Sorry. How many um I know this is I know we're going over this, but with
Tessa Terrace, how many how many uh developments are over there in that area? Because this has 164. And if >> this is the gra the temporary road for Tessa Terrace right here
>> which goes off of Third Street Southwest and then it connects to Can't read that of courseth 50th. Okay. 50th. Yeah, my eyes are Or 50th Avenue. Um, so it serves these larger lots and then it also serves um
some of these lots over here. So definitely less lots. I don't know the total total lots for these two developments. Um there's also developable land, still developable land in this area that um the owner hasn't um he's spoken to us about it, so he could
be adding additional lots here, but um >> I'm just curious. It seems like a lot of lots to only have one exit in and out. So, >> yeah, it is. And that's why we think it's important. They got to get that temporary access in before second
edition um starts selling lots because the plan is to put in utilities this fall and then the streets would go wouldn't go until next year. So, they could be working on that temporary access road when they're doing the permanent streets as well. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Other questions? Uh just as a point of information, this temporary compacted road that would handle equipment similar to that of fire equipment, who maintains that road? >> It's a private, it'd be considered a
private driveway. So, the developer would be required to maintain it. >> And uh just to go over material we've already covered, but the concern I have here is we're relying on access through 28th Street only. Tessa Terrace, you
have two points of access at least. River Haven Road and 50th Avenue South here. For some reason, 28th Street is blocked. You know, 9 ft of snow and overturned school bus. You have to drive to 50th Avenue South,
turn left and go north to get on 28th Street. That is some little trip from the Southside Fire Station. but it meets the subdivision code to have the two accesses. So that's not
something we can bear our decision on if it doesn't have access off of 40th. >> Any other questions? Do we have questions from the public in attendance? >> I have one more question. Yes. Um it was
around the intersection angle waiver though. I think on uh 23rd and 43rd. I just wanted to ask if I'm not familiar with the background on why the angle is there. Is there a safety related topic that drives that angle?
And have we talked about that? >> Yes. So, um it's this intersection here. So, in our subdivision code, um all intersections cannot be less than 75 degrees. And that one is less than 75 degrees. So, uh, we put, uh, kind of
looser language in the conditions of approval because engineering is talking to the developer about either straightening that out so it meets the 75 degrees or possibly doing like a small roundabout there. They just have to determine if there's enough room to do that. So, they they will fix that
before this gets this plat gets finalized because it does it has to meet code and it doesn't meet code right now. And that's why we have all those other comments that um to clean up the drawing and um you know they have to vacate a 10-ft easement. So there's there's a
there's a few things that they have to work on the drawing and those will all get um worked out through planning and um the engineering departments. >> Thank you. >> Further questions hearing none. Is there a motion to close the public hearing?
>> So move second. Second. >> Any discussion? Those in favor say I. >> I. >> Oppos. Same sign. Public hearing is closed. Is there any more discussion or is actually this has been put in the form of two motions? Uh
first motion would be to recommend approval of the zoning map amendment from TZ transitional to RLD3 residential low density 3 for Partridge Creek second edition except for block five. Is there a motion to approve?
>> So move. >> Second. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Against. Same sign. Brings us to a second motion attached to this particular detail. Recommend approval of the preliminary
and final plat of Partridge Creek second edition contingent on the following items that you have expressed on your distributed uh agenda. Is there a motion to approve? >> Move for approval. >> There a second.
>> Second. >> Any discussion? Those in favor may signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Same sign. >> That motion is approved. Brings us to our third
public hearing. It is a request of Houston Engineering for zoning map and comprehensive plan amendments for 801 10th Avenue South, 1022 8th Street South, and 11:02 8th Street South Concordia College. Is there a motion to
open the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Discussion. >> All in favor may signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. Same sign. City Planner Houston, would you provide the commission with an overview of this item?
>> Thank you, Chair. Uh, Assistant City Planner Ethan Jon will present this item. >> Thank you, Chair and Commissioners. Houston Engineering on behalf of Concordia College is requesting a comprehensive plan amendment from public institutional to mixed use and a zoning
map amendment from institutional to MU2 neighborhood mixed use at 80110th Avenue South, 1022 8th Street South, and 1102 8th Street South. These sites have historically served as student apartments and administrative offices, but no longer meet the needs of
Concordia. So, they are now proposing to redevelop this site into one large site with a four-story building uh with three stories of new student housing and a first floor with commercial services that will better better serve both the student body and the community at large.
The building will be no more than 55 ft tall and will meet all other MU2 zoning requirements. Um, no public comments have been received. So, staff is recommending that the planning commission recommend approval to the city council uh of the following for
801th Avenue South, 10:22 8th Street South and 11:02 8th Street South. Both the zoning map amendment from institutional to MU2 neighborhood mixed use and the comprehensive plan amendment from public institutional to mixed use. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Members of the commission have questions or comments. I know it said that uh the density would be dictated by parking, but that there's also parking available on campus. I know that that can get kind of
problematic with permitted parking uh for residents and then having commercial traffic for people visiting the first floor businesses as well. Have we done any investigation into what the the parking situation is currently and how
well that'll be covered? >> So, the mixeduse 2 um zoning district for multif family, which is what the student housing would be classified as, does not have a density cap. And the comment in there about how the parking will dictate um the density is more
related to the commercial uses. Because this is on the Concordia campus, they can also utilize other parking lots on the campus. So that will be since it's student housing, it will not be rented out to the public. That will be left up to Concordia to figure out how if
they're going to provide parking for these units. Um I think it's going to be geared towards upper class people. So, um that'll be up to Concordia, but we we are we are very uh confident they have plenty of parking because, you know, uh
the college campuses are um overparked in my planning opinion. So, I I don't think that's going to be issue. It's more of an issue of like how many parking spaces can they provide for the first floor businesses and then what's left over on this lot for some of the housing units and then the other housing
units will go to other campus properties. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Other questions or comments from members of the commission? >> Is there a plan to have underground parking with this facility? >> There's not. >> Any further comments? Do we have
comments from the public in attendance this evening? Hearing none. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Discussion. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I >> oppose. Same sign and the public hearing
is closed. As a result of this, we have again uh two motions to act upon. First motion is to recommend approval to the city council of the zoning map
amendment from institutional to MU2 neighborhood mixed use for 801 10th Avenue South, 1022 8th Street South and 11:02 8th Street South. Is there a motion to approve? >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Second. >> Is there discussion? Hearing no discussion. Those in favor may signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Same sign. Motion is approved. Second motion is to recommend approval to the city council the comprehensive
plan amendment from public institutional to mixed use for 801 10th Avenue South, 1022 8th Street South, and 11:02 8th Street South. Is there a motion to approve? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Those in favor may
signify by saying I. I. I. >> Opposed. Same sign. Motion is approved. We have before us a request from A Morris for zoning text amendment related to off- streetet parking surfacing in title 10 chapter 20 of the Morehead city
code. Is there a motion to open the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All those in favor may signify by saying I. >> I same sign. >> City planner Houston, would you provide us with the details on this particular
motion? Again, chair uh assistant the other assistant city planners here tonight, Forest Steinhoff will present this item. >> Perfect. Thank you, chair and commissioners. A Morris has requested a zoning text amendment related to off- streetet parking surfacing to permit other materials than pavement for his
commercial property at 1921 11th Street North. Currently, off- streetet parking surfacing is limited to asphalt or concrete with gravel permitted only in the transitional RLD1 and industrial zoning districts. While analyzing this text amendment for the applicant, we researched other alternative parking
surfacing solutions because Morehead has uh limits on our imperous surfaces um or hard surfaces which prevent water from infiltrating or soaking into the soil. Currently, we do offer low density residential property owners the ability to replace imperous surfaces with a
pvious pavement or pavers um if they are having difficulty meeting impervious maximums for their parcel. Because these have only been policies, we are now proposing to codify current practices while also offering new ones for some zoning districts in or areas. Um, some of the proposed code updates include
impervious and pvious pavers uh as provisional uses for single and two family parcels in RLD zoning districts, adding gravel or crushed concrete in community commercial and institutional zoning districts for some parcels north of 15th Avenue North, which is the
former um Oakport Township area. pvious concrete as provisional use in all zoning districts and then pvious grass pavers as provisional uses in the institutional zoning district for lots that are over 10 acres. Um after the public the packet was published some
additional discussion took place about requiring provisional use permits for imperous pavers. Um and that was so staff could confirm whether the correct materials and pavers are being used to ensure that uh personal vehicle weight is met for those pavers for all one or
two family residential driveways in the RLD, RMD, RHD and MU12 and three districts. Um so they could also utilize impervious pavers with that provisional use permit. We haven't received any public comments to date and staff is recommending that the planning
commission recommend approval to the city council the zoning text amendment related to Morhead city code title 10 chapter 20 off streetet parking and I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. We have questions or comments from members of the commission. Are there members of the public present
who wish to comment on this particular offering? Hearing from neither group. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Discussion. All in favor may signify by saying I. >> I. I.
>> Opposed. Same sign. Is there any more discussion or is there a motion to recommend approval to the city council the zoning text amendment related to Morhead city code title 10 chapter 20 off streetet parking surfacing.
>> I would move to uh approve the recommendation city council. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. Those in favor may signify by saying I. I >> opposed same sign.
>> Is there any other business to come before the commission? >> No other business or information tonight. Chair, >> see if there is no other business. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Those in favor signify by saying I. I.
Oppose. Same sign. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you. >> That was a long one.