Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. Good. >> That's fine. I just hear the same thing in my house. She can't see. >> Okay, it's 5:30 everyone. We're going to start with the pledge of allegiance.
>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I hereby announce that this meeting is being held in accordance with chapter
231 of the open public meeting act. Proper notice of meeting dates has been given to the Morris Newsby and the Morris County Daily Record and posted the bulletin board in Bur Hall, please. >> Mrs. President, >> Mr. Der,
>> present. >> Mr. Lombardi, >> present. >> Mr. and Mrs. >> preser and Mr. Cortez the council on this president.
>> Are there any comments regarding the minutes from the October 6th meeting? If there's no comments, can I please motion to accept the minutes. >> I'll second. >> All in favor?
>> Okay. So, it's voice. >> I open the comments from the public section of this meeting. Seeing if there is none, can I close this section of the meeting? The budget uh if you look at the budget, the line item for the uh fall planting
is included. So that is what our current balance is total line. The spring trees now have been purchased order. So that will be coming out placeholder. We don't have any communications. Moving
forward to the forers report. Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. Starting with 2580 12 white walk away. Um the tree should just be prone. There's no reason to take it down. I think the resident was questioning was dead. It's not dead. It's
>> it's far from dead. Put it back. >> Correct. >> So yeah, I think we should just go ahead and have that proved. >> Thank you. >> What's the 24 to 36. >> That's a prune. >> Okay.
>> 2581 four Thompson away. Um he has one dead spruce tree in the back that should come down. I spoke to a homeowner very very reasonable. He asked us to remove that. So it's a 112 to 24 in take down and 12 to 24.
>> Sure. I just want to add a little bit to this. I know obviously in the the memo there was uh some discussion in here. So, um the this kind of started the resident did call into the the zoning official of the town. Uh so there is an easement back there. There's a
conservation easement. So, uh in speaking with him and a couple other members in the zoning office there, um the conservation easement does fall under the uh jurisdiction of the shade tree. Can I just ask Steve what I couldn't find which tree it was because there's a
lot of trees there. So what why why are you in a stump if it's is it >> it's right on the edge of his property. Did you go up there and look or >> I walked up the hill? >> Did you walk up the hill where he had that camper parked? Yeah. >> It's right behind the camper. >> Okay. >> Um >> I mean I felt because right on the edge
of his lawn the stump. >> Okay. >> And it's up to you guys if you want to leave it. >> So it's on our land but it's on the edge of his lawn. >> Yeah. Yeah, if it was buried in the woods, I wouldn't even suggest a grinder, but it is right at the edge of the wall. So, again, >> what do people think
just because we don't usually do stumps if they're not on the street? >> Correct. Um, my thought is based on the location because it is kind of so that property kind of triangulates at the back. So, that is, you know, far east,
part his obviously. Um, but because given the proximity to the I would say for this instance that we uh make an exception for the stump 2582 130 Glen Brook Road. Uh there's an old existing stump there that I would
suggest to remove because it is quite the eyesore and that was 36 plus. >> Is this the one that's on the like right next to the fence? >> Yeah, there's like a fence that stops. There's a trampoline the neighbors have. So, I just had a Is that ours? Because I couldn't It looked like it was far
enough in. It is ours. >> It is because the way it with the angle >> and didn't the G wasn't there a gentleman who lived near there that came in about a year and a half ago and complained. Didn't the Didn't the developer take this tree down? We didn't take this tree down if I remember. >> I don't believe I don't believe we took
it down. I know there was talk about planting trees. >> Residents were upset when this tree came down and I thought we said, "Well, it's not our tree, so we can't do anything about it." And they didn't have to for a permit. >> Okay. >> So, that's why I'm just trying to figure out what the history is with this.
>> Yeah. I I mean, something's been there. You see, it's >> been there for since a while. >> It's right on the corner. Whatever. >> So, I don't know if it's a new house or the other house on the corner >> on the right. >> Yeah. Right on that fence. The fence
like comes and stops right there. >> Right. I just I remember that someone came in and complained about those trees coming down. >> Pretty sure. >> Was it Aaron? >> Yes. >> He came in doesn't live there. >> No, he was around the corner. He came in
and complained about >> because I I guess he saw the plants and then >> he was upset. >> Wasn't there an issue we had with them planting trees, replacing trees? I thought the builder or homeowner put them in. Yeah, there was an issue on that they didn't have big enough.
>> Okay. >> They had to put bigger trees. >> So, I guess to Rob's point here, I guess we we don't know who's if it's really our stuff or if it's the homeowner. >> Was this a resident request or Frank, you just saw it and you thought it? This
is the thing was when I got to 130, we were going to plant a tree at 1:30 and she didn't want a tree and then the stump sort of is just sticking out there. So that's why I called it and it looks it looks ugly.
It does look ugly. I don't disagree. It's a bit of an It's unfortunate if the developer took it down and then now we're paying for it. That's all. >> Yeah, I I kind of agree that should >> but can't go back in time, I guess.
Two years ago should have been addressed. >> Um 2583 9 Winwood Road. Um there's a tool tree at the left of the driveway. Um dropped a bunch of dead limbs, but there's a lot of decay on the roots. I would suggest you remove it. It's a to
36 in removal. And the stump is the same size 2584 one talking way. Uh looks like DPW cleaned up a part of the tree that fell. Um I believe it's the county's tree the way it sits on the corner there. It's closer to 202. I don't know if anybody else had a chance to look at it.
>> Correct. I um I checked the uh the tax maps with the zoning official. It is a county. >> Okay. >> And I'll call the county then tomorrow. >> Oh, good. >> Okay. >> That tree was covered in lantern flies when I went and looked. Did you I don't know if anyone else noticed that. I
don't covered but it had a good amount of lantern flies there. >> Can that damage it happened because of that? I didn't think so. But they were all right where >> they would have caused that >> right now. They wouldn't I mean if there's a ton of it they would slowly stress the tree out but they wouldn't have caused that. That was basically a
weak crotch. It's a soft it's a maple but it's a red maple. So with the way it just grew the joint >> right you could see that >> it just failed at the weakest point there. Unfortunately >> just made me wonder if we should talk to residents or check for lantern fly at
some point that you know we kind of that damage wasn't caused by deal with that in the spring. >> Okay. Um there was I mean that street I took a ride up there's I don't know if we can talk to DPW or I don't know if they can do it. There's quite a bit of pruning on that street that should be
done. Um I don't know if that's the bigot if DPW I think it's borderline to be honest. Ask John. >> Yeah once uh once the leaves are done we're going to converting much on that street. It's kind of a forgotten street to be
honest. Um, and then we just got the the memo in 2585 9 Greenwood Road. Um, so there's two big pin oaks in the property that should be pruned out. There's a lot of deadwood in them. One's a 24 to 36 in, the other is
a 36 plus. >> How much is it? Um 24 to 36 is 600 and 700 for 36 plus 1300. >> Yes. >> And that up the date on the meals.
>> Great. So the the new memo total then if we add in the request that just came in prior meeting from N Greenwood, we take it to 4450. Also on the uh list is a carryover from
the worksheet. The homeowner was actually in at the at the past meeting that we had on October 6th regarding 32 Headley Way with a large uh dead 36 plus tree uh with a big chunk of the dead
wood hanging into the wires. Uh we did speak with JCPNL. Those branches will be removed within the next two weeks. We've got an updated timeline there. So that would be a plus removal plus uh stump grinding. So
uh 1030 for the 36 plus removal and 550 for the stump that total of 1580 with an updated total with the 25.85 would take us to today about 6:30
total >> balance. Correct. >> That would be what the work will cost today. >> Yeah. >> I wonder if
I would ask that maybe we just put the put the um the stump on on I guess it's Glen Brook that's actually on central on the worksheet. I just like to find out from the homeowner, >> you know, what's going on there because I just it doesn't sit right with me that
they cut they cut this tree down which as far as I know was a live huge, you know big >> big tree and uh and now they don't look like a very sick tree to me. >> Well, I just remember the resident
coming in and he was he said there were two trees there that have been cut and he was upset. But >> yeah, but that's Mr. who lives under Glen Brook extension. >> There was a controversy I will say about that that house,
>> right? >> But the tree go. >> Well, I just like to research and see if they were if they were given a variance or something to do that or is there a site plan or you know what before we just go ahead and spend the money. I don't think there's any emergency. It sat there for two years. I think we should just check it to do our
>> do our due diligence on it and then we can make a decision. There's no it's not a danger to anyone. >> No, it's been sitting there for you said year and a half. >> I would argue you know the other stuff I didn't see. So you say it's there, Mike. I'll trust your >> judgment.
385. I think we should >> I think that's 550. We should >> Yeah, that was 550. >> I'm just going to put it on the worksheet. Is that what you want me to do? >> Yeah, just put it if if you would, Karen, that would be great if you put it
on the worksheet and then we'll know, you know, and I'll see what I can find out about it. >> Okay. Maybe I have to talk to you or look at the minutes or something >> figure out what's going on or zoning board adjustment. You know, I don't know if they were involved or whatever.
>> So, is that 5480? >> 5480 would be the new total for work today. >> I have a question. >> I'm sorry. 500. >> We just took the 6030 less 550 because
that's on hold. That comes to the new balance of >> I'm doing 38. I'm sorry. I'm on I'm only doing the stuff. >> Yeah, it would be uh putting uh memo 2582 onto the to the worksheet for further uh
investigation. >> Okay. So 548 >> 548. >> Can I have a motion to approve? >> I have a question. What about who took care of it? Are you taking the
trees? >> Oh, on the worksheet. Yeah, those are the actually speaking of lantern fly. Those were the trees that were infected with the lantern fly. Um I know we have on the work too. There's actually three trees there. He hasn't
>> three. >> Yeah, there's actually three of them. >> Well, we did. We treated for the the lantern fly, but the trees are now dead. Um so the problem is we're going to have to remove the trees at some point sooner than later.
Like I said, there are three of them in that stack. I'll uh we'll review those and u go forward for uh December. >> Mr. Chairman, I think we if you remember
here the president sent us a letter saying he requested it year four and we didn't feel we did anything. We looked at it. We took care of the lines. I think we all have time to address it, but if you want to wait till December,
you can. I think you should address it. >> I support waiting till December given that's the end of the year and unless it's a danger. Is it a danger date? >> Not at the moment. I think we have a couple months >> maybe. When did you spray them? >> Two months ago.
>> So they're they should be well. Yeah, they're well done. They're done. Okay. >> Are the lantern flies I mean are they still in there? The eggs are whatever though. >> No, the adults will lay eggs on the trunk.
>> Um, but they're still actively feeding. They haven't laid their all their eggs yet for the season. So, what happens once it kills the tree, they move on. >> So, the spray is more to in theory kill out the tree, not the actual bug or both. >> Well, it ends up killing both, but what
happens is this particular grant was to kill the trees. >> Okay. So yeah, whereas you can topically spray to control the lantern fly, but it will not kill the tree. >> Okay, that actually brings up a question. Do we have is this grant expiring at the
end of this year? Isn't there some discussion of the grant expiring the lantern flight grant? >> I my knowledge was that I think it's on a yearly basis. >> Okay. >> Okay. Meaning like I think that was on last year also
and I think you just have to apply for it or what have you. I just wonder if we should be looking for other treated heavens in order to you know I mean this isn't because this isn't part of our normal budget right this is special grant so I think we should proactively
look to see if we can use that and then maybe address >> I mean it's good because like you said kill it'll kill the only problem >> we have to pay removal cost >> yeah so it's a double head sword unfortunately we have that expensive to about taking
these trees down. >> Some of these were >> I'm sorry. >> I was just gonna say some of these ones like the culdeac were small. I don't know if DPW we could find smaller ones that we could spray and DPW could remove. >> Yeah, I think there's some in the parks that DPW could definitely
get together again after le season get together with John. I think it would make sense if um if DPW has the capacity to do that, but they wouldn't have to cut them right away because we'd spray them and the grant would be used and then they could cut them when they had a time in their schedule.
>> Correct. Yeah. So, I mean really oversee. So, I will take a look at the existing grant and see what the details are on it and see if it has an expir expiration date or not. I'll get some of the details and then uh I'll report back for next month and then we can see what we
need to what we need to do. >> Just I'm almost positive but that it's only for spring. It's not for the trees but if you could double check in there. >> I will double check. >> Do you think you could email us before? Because we'll have to we only have one
more meeting this year, right? So >> or are we just going to decide that we're going to spend as much as we can? Would that be the decision? I'm just trying to think about how the process I don't know. I'm gonna have to look at the grant, but I will I'll call back to Karen and Karen will send something out to everybody. I'll see what I can I'll
see what I can do depending what it says. And then if I can make good headway, our treasure can tell you. She's >> I really know that it was just we couldn't take these trees down. >> I believe that's what I believe is just for spring.
>> It is definitely spraying >> because that's I mean last year and this year. >> But I I still would just like if we could check into that grant to see if there's something else that we could kind of, you know, get as well to kind of cover some of the tape down so we're
not, you know, if we're getting money to spray, why can't we try to figure out a way to get some money back off of that? >> I'll see what I can do. >> Okay, great. Thank you, >> Mike. you had given me an update, but I just wanted to have it on the record for the 32 Headley. I mean, not 32, 87
Silvin. >> Sure. So, uh just an update on 87 uh Silven Drive. Uh so, this was a tree that had some electrical wires that kind of rub up against it. Uh caused two little small fires that were kind of just uh what was the word that you used?
Kind of like more appearance fire. >> It's more of an aesthetic issue than it was to detrimental to the health of the tree. >> Um so, two kind of buffers were put onto the trees which look like kind of in theory like I said last month kind of giant pool noodles in in a way to kind
of block the wires from rubbing on the tree. Uh those do you know in speaking with JCPL those do need to kind of stay on the tree for a while just to kind of test the integrity of the um of their kind of plan to you know safeguard the
tree. We also did put in a request for JCPNL to take a look at that pole that connects those wires uh through there because that pole is kind of leaned a little bit. So maybe if they could do some adjustment of the pole uh to kind of alleviate the problem.
>> Thanks. >> So I do ask for a motion to move the work in the amount of 5480. So moved. >> Second. >> 5480. >> Second. It's 5480 is the total. >> Correct. >> Oh, okay. I backed out the
>> 385. All in favor? >> I I >> Okay. So, uh, while it's not on the agenda, one of the things for old business that Karen just brought to my attention, the little sticky note.
So, this was on the worksheet uh, from memo 2569 regarding uh, 7 Juniper Drive. There's two large oak trees uh, in in front of the residence, one directly in front,
one on the side street there. Uh they called back in again this week. Karen just let me know regarding the fact that um these obviously are town trees, but they are willing to pay for the removal of these trees. Um
I personally am kind of torn on this uh just because the trees are very healthy, but this is a request from the homeowner. So um open to discussion from the the committee. This is the one she sent us pictures to.
>> Correct. >> Dave, have you looked at these trees? >> I have looked at >> What's your What's your opinion? >> I don't feel they should be cut off. Um I mean they're in very good shape. I mean one is I think it's tremendous shape. The other one might have a little bit of bacterial leaf splurge in it, but
I mean that could take 10 years to kill a tree. Um but yeah, I don't see a reason why they have to come out. I don't know why she wants them out to be honest. She's state why she wants these trees out. >> Good question. >> Yeah, it says >> I mean >> it says, do you want me to read what she
wrote? >> Uh, the homeowner wrote in an an email, "We have two trees on our property, 7 Juniper Drive, that are owned by the town and we are requesting the removal. These trees have grown dangerously tall and appear to have some kind of fungus.
There is clear evidence of insect damage that is killing the tree. Additionally, we are constantly having to collect large fallen branches and place them in the street for pickup. This poses a significant risk to our property. I've attached photos for your reference showing the current condition. Could you
kindly let me know what the town plans when the town plans to remove them? >> It was two oak trees. >> Yeah. >> I think we had one was okay and one had oak fungus. >> Oh, bacterial. >> I wrote oak fungus. >> Okay. So
>> yeah. So you see that to be honest. You see that on a lot of oak trees from from time to time. It's those little like bluish green patches that are on the tree itself. >> Um that's I'm sorry. That's actually lyken patches. Just so you're clear. That's actually aesthetics.
>> So that's Yeah. >> Um so what I'm talking about it's it's up in the leaf and if you actually see a leaf like half would be brown, half would be green and there's a margin in there and um that's what's causing this bacterial that's affecting the tree. It's very common with pin oaks but again
they could live 10 15 years with this disease. So it's nothing like you know causing an issue where the tree has to come down tomorrow. Um I say as far as the committee we monitor put up you know next spring we'll we'll reevaluate. If we feel the tree is dead or dangerous
then we'll talk about it. Um, but if you recall, I think last year she wanted all four she wanted every tree down in front of her property. We ended up taking down one maple that was decayed and rotten for her if I'm not mistaken. Um, so we did that. But at the time, I think she
requested all the trees to be gone. So I obviously she doesn't want any trees on the property. Um, I mean it's up to you to decide whether you want them to take care of it at their expense, but I don't think it should my personal
opinion that here we are planting trees left and right you know um and to go ahead whether it's out of our budget or her pocket to take that alive healthy tree I hate to say that I'll um
I'll take this as a followup I I'll I'll speak with the homeowner and just kind of gauge how she feels on things like this we'll We'll follow back up on this next month. I like I said, I'm very kind
of in a gray area with this in theory just because I I want to remove healthy trees. >> I'll be very blunt. Those are specimen trees. >> Correct. >> If you take those trees down, I don't want to ever hear anyone talk about canopy because there's canopy there.
There's 60 years of canopy. >> No, I I agree. That's why I just kind of keep an eye on them in theory. That's just my personal view on it. >> Um I'll speak with the homeowner again and try to get them on the same page as as this
commission >> just doesn't want them. >> Correct. My understanding >> I'm with for the record I'm with Frank. I mean I think we're the shade tree commission. We we don't we don't cut down a tree if someone doesn't want trees on their property. >> Yeah. >> So I mean if there's if there's some kind of hazard and she has documentation
of that and give us a can its different situation. >> No, I I I agree and I think if she really wants to push this issue that she go get an independent, you know, contract, somebody come out and have her assess it and then come back to us and um go from there.
>> Okay. I will uh I will speak with her and uh report back at the uh December meeting. >> Did we ever I mean to to me just briefly, you know, we we talked about an issue similar to this early in the year which and I said that you know one of the things I think we we as a commission
should consider doing is to um you know make people more aware of the benefits of trees because people only see them as hazards. I think this is a prime example of that >> someone's not seeing what the benefit is. And like I said at the time, we're not going to change everybody's mind, but maybe if we could make people
because people look at large trees and they just think, "Oh, it's windy. It's going to fall on my house. What if I what if that hurt me or my grandchildren or whatever it is?" And that's the only side of the equation they see. And they don't see that, you know, the odds of that happening if the tree is deemed
healthy are extraordinarily low. And uh and that if we did that, we'd have no trees at all in town. We took any time anyone was slightly worried. So I think I'll say it again. I think we need to do better job of reaching out to the residents and maybe in our new year we
could consider that. I know we were talked about writing an article for planes talk. I don't I don't think there's time to do that anymore, but um maybe we could try and consider that in one of our committees or as a whole. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. Like I said, I'll speak with
her. I'll give the report back uh for for next month and kind of give her our uh our take from our commission. Okay. >> You could just leave it kind of >> Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Uh moving forward to uh new business.
>> I got two old business items if you don't mind. >> Sure. I did go to the 100th uh J3 convention and I just want to report there's two fantastic speakers there's two fantastic speakers
uh one was from the Netherlands uh and he this is the thing today in in trees 330 and 300 that means if you go walk out your the door from your resident or
school or business, you should see three mature trees. You should have in your community at least 30% canopy. And if you take a walk, you should come to some green space within 300
meters. It's a little yards. It's a little more than that. uh that is uh what uh what the word is what people talk about and certainly I think uh we fit in that uh in in Mars planes. The
other uh speaker was a a professor from Clemson University and he talked about native trees and he says well when when do you decide a native tree is it is native is it 100 years here 200 300
and he brought up the fact that now the talk is invasive species all the time. He he had his feeling is that there should be biodiversity and he was not I didn't expect to hear
this I'll be honest with you at at that conference. Uh that was his opinion. uh speaking to different people uh different towns I have to say that I believe Marsh is doing pretty well and I did I did learn
a few things and uh I was happy I went so that's it the other >> sorry Frank just want to say I was there as well and uh I heard uh those two speakers it's interesting right but we took away different things but I won't but not saying wrong but we just took
away different messages But, uh, I, uh, I think that, um, the they haven't updated the accreditation yet on the list, right? Is that, is that correct? Because I tried to look, but the hours that I did, you were there on time, probably. I I would had kids. I had to put them to school, so I didn't
get I didn't I couldn't check in for the 8 a.m. 8 a.m. They wanted us to check in in Atlantic City. It's like, >> uh, they to me would be about six months. >> So, don't don't be looking for him. Don't be looking for him. >> Well, they had electronic checking and
everything. I thought boom, it's going to be right up. >> He's the one you had lunch for. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I was so happy to see you there, Frank. I have to say that. >> I didn't see you. I was looking for >> I actually You walked by me and I said hello, but I thought his head is so full
of tree knowledge he didn't even hear me. >> That's probably true. the the other thing that I want to bring up and and and we have to address this. >> Okay, we can address it with our council
leazison. In August, we we p or actually in July, we passed a resolution to have our our grant writer uh going through the council to write a grant for forest
res from the D for forest restoration. What happened when it got before the council, uh Mike Ivy had some questions. He asked S to take it off the agenda. He did. Mike met with this mic here and
I thought everything was resolved. And so today I asked uh uh Steve Welch the grant writer how are the grants coming and he said well the council never put it back on to authorize me to do it. So
if you could get that back on >> that was here we are in >> there there was I don't know if there was a confusion at that time with there was two grants and that wasn't necessarily the one that you guys >> I can't quite hear you talking
>> there was two grants that you guys had talked about but the one that you guys approved was not the same one supposedly that was on the agenda and that's where we had the misunderstanding but I talked to Mike before the meeting and we will put that back So, I just uh Frank, we were so positive
and now you're going to get me drummed up in in disagreeing with you. Uh, so there was sort of some ridiculousness where I proposed something and then you proposed the same thing afterwards. Now, perhaps there was confusion there. You had the wrong name. I don't know. But
the the grant we voted on is to write a management plan. It's not for canopy reforestation. We have never voted on that. And that grant is a huge undertaking and uh I believe it's for $260,000. We absolutely should have a
discussion as a commission before this goes in front of the council. It's unconscionable to me that we would submit a proposal of that size without even discussing it openly here. So I I I'm hoping that you're just confused because surely you wouldn't want me to vote on a $260,000 grant that I've never
even seen the plan for. So I have to say that I think I'd be if he if that's what happened, he did the right thing because that was the wrong grant. >> So I mean I thought Mike you met with him and we had resolved it. >> Correct.
>> The nice talk the part that drew me off and why I I pulled it out was that that grant involved about 80 or 90,000 of landscape planning and art and and engineering for the town and the town would have to
Okay, that might have really didn't even talk about the council level. So, I got hit with like a double with two bats. So, I apologize if you think that I let you guys. I did not I I I I didn't know how to answer it because I wasn't prepared myself for that particular grant and I didn't think that that was
the one that was on on the plate. I think the wrong b the wrong battle was on batting out order. Okay, say that. Let's move. >> We don't have a grant application. I don't it doesn't bother me which one I used the wrong terms and maybe I used
the wrong terms but we got we're not going to do a grant or are we going to do a grant? That's the question. So >> that's why I post a mic before the meeting. >> So let me I don't recall the landscaping plan. Let me look at it again and
>> it it will be sent out by Karen if this is what we need to do and we could have a discussion in uh December. >> With all respect the prerequisites are what's heavy and unless has allocated the council not fair for the council to vote on something that they don't know
or allocate that money for. That's why we pulled the mic and I >> sure that completely understood. I will uh take a look at that again. Just want to say from my perspective, pardon me, it seems like we're to my mind having
applied for grants. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It seems like I'm not against applying for this canopy grant, but it seems like we're putting the cart before the horse a little bit because we lose a lot of points off the top of that grant for a point that you've often made, Marian, which is that we're not I don't know if it's the correct term, a
disadvantaged community or an urban. >> So, we lose a lot off the top. So that means that we have a very small margin of error there. We have to have everything exactly in a row in order to qualify for it. We're not accredited and we don't have a management plan. And these are the kinds of things that any
sort of evaluating committee is going to look for. So I'm not saying we shouldn't apply for it, but I think we should apply to do the management plan because that will allow us to make an argument when we apply for the grant which we still have I believe what when does the
deadline close? August or July of next year. It's We have a while, right? >> I don't know if it was even that. I thought that I Yeah, the forestry. >> It's not until 26. So, we've got plenty of time. So, why don't we do the work
that in order to set the grant up before you, you know, I understand the trees are attractive and everyone wants to go straight for the trees, but you have to get the process in place so that we can make a good argument. I that's my opinion. It doesn't make it makes sense
to me to do the preliminary work first and to do the grant that we applied for. I'm not against the other one. I'm happy to look at it. Happy to do it. I don't see the rush. >> I a rush asked for this in August and or July. >> We did not ask for this in August. That's >> in July. We did it because we didn't
meet in August. >> It is incorrect information. We never talked about that grant in this commission. That is a fact. Anyone can go and look at the tape. >> I'm not I'm not going to argue with you. What I'm going to say is that uh certainly when I spoke to a number of
people from different commissions down at the convention, they didn't say you couldn't go that you had to get certified and all this other stuff to get grants and they got grants. So, if we don't want to get a grant, that's fine. >> I'll have the uh I'll have the in the
process of time here since we have to be out of here by uh 6:20 this evening. Um, I will take this up with the grand committee and uh we'll report for next month. >> Well, then I won't then I won't have a grant for the next for the next meeting. So, that's what we talked about you and
I before. Just give me something. >> Yep. Okay. >> Where's the grant that we did vote on though? I mean, that's the other not saying that to you, S, but I'm saying, you know, shouldn't we shouldn't we be putting that one up? The grant that we actually did vote on and that passed and that we discussed and and passed. We that's the grant that we should be putting in front of the council because
we discussed that and passed it as a commission. We will take a look at that as well. >> Uh moving forward to to new business, the late fall tree planting. This is our second round of uh planting for the fall. Um the uh tree planting committee
has brought forward uh 10 trees in uh four locations throughout the burrow. Uh continuing our planting uh trees along mountain way uh on the fence by the burrow school, three Lynen trees. uh the
corner of Granis Avenue and Mountain Way. Uh three Norwood spruces uh six to seven feet tall. Uh Simon's Park, uh three trees, two along the fence on Mountain Way and one by the playground,
and then a residential tree at Five Beach Drive. Uh so this is uh 10 trees in total. Uh no letters are required to the homeowners since just one is a homeowner tree. and uh they are aware of the
thing. So it is uh 10 uh trees. So I'd like to have a motion to move that we move forward with the planting so these could get into the ground uh ASAP. >> I'll move it.
>> Second get your >> I know. I know. I said that in there for me. >> All in favor? I >> I approve. >> I tried to put as many in, you know. >> Well, we have little kids, so we know
how hot those slides, you know, so it's not >> going to be 395. >> Correct. >> Even though the spruce >> Yes. Can I just say one thing because I also went to the shape tree conference and one of the things I learned there applies to this planting and please
understand that again this is not a criticism because I oversaw planting many times and did not think about this either but I just learned it the when they when they and Dave please correct me if I'm wrong but when they take the trees out of the ground or if
they're bald the machine squeezes the dirt on the tree and it pushes the uh the the dirt collar up the trunk of the tree. And so when you go to plant it, it's often times the case that the tree gets planted too deep because it's
supposed to be putting it level with the ground so that you can see the root flare. And I tried to look up why this is and you know there's a lot of different reasons, but one study I said saw that at least for cherry trees the failure rate was like 30% higher if they were planted too deep. Seems like it
matters the species. Maple trees it didn't seem to make at least in this one studies much of a difference. My point being that I think when servo plants them we should we should look if we should have someone mayor if we can I saw you out Frank one day uh spray painting so I know you do a lot of work with this if you want me to come out I'm
not trying to get in your business but if you need coverage I'm happy to do it but just to go out and say something to the to them about hey you got to do this right and this isn't even to pick on servo because the study I saw said that 93% of of nurseries do this incorrectly
in the study that I forget which University of Oz did. So, just something to keep in mind to try and, you know, use our tax dollars wisely. I know we have a guarantee on these, but maybe just something to keep in mind next time because I know some of them were planted too deep, but the ones I
saw probably were two. So, it's not a criticism. It's just as we educate ourselves. I think this is something should be >> That's a lot of >> I'll be honest with you, I think he did a super job and I don't think they're too deep. Uh, and we never we I don't
know of any trees that have pale, honest to God, since I've been on the question. >> Dave, what's your exploit about that? Is that like something that's pretty common? I I don't know about this. >> So, Rob's point, it's very common, unfortunately. Uh, yeah. When you go to the nursery between mechanicals and then
the back fill. So, what you're looking for, you don't want the tree to look like a telephone pole going into. You want to have a flare. Um, >> oh, so that's why they kind of do that like dome around the edges. Well, the dome is really for for moisture to hold the moisture in. Um, but what you the problem is if there's too much soil
where the root flare is, and then you have three or four inches of mulch on it. So, now you're creating this this heat exchange. And so, you're creating uh decay, you're creating insect activity along the main trunk, and you're opening up area for wound or rot down the long term. So, ideally, when
they plant, it's just it's almost a matter of two seconds. just take a hand just expose that roof layer, pull back a little bit and say not adding six inches of mulch on top of extra soil and it should be fine. >> So you're you're saying just so that I understand when when I look at these so if you had let's say like the the circle
of the tree, right? So there's the mulch that kind of comes up. So you just want some more air to get into like the base of the trunk. >> Well, no, that the problem is the moisture is on the trunk of the tree. You have that soil and then the mulch basically on the trunk of the tree. So that's creating moisture which creating
insects and creating disease issues. Um, a lot of times you'll see it under mulch, you'll pull it back >> and there's bugs. >> If you ever see when they put like they over mulch, looks like a volcano. That's like a major problem with landscapers throughout. I don't know why they feel every year they put 4 inches of mulch on a tree.
>> Um, so you're creating that big volcano which is not helping anybody by doing that. >> Is the the flares, if I remember right, correct me if I'm wrong, defined by like the first root that comes out. Most trees flare up, but not all species do. But so really what you're trying to look for is where the the root the trunk
stops and the roots start. >> Yeah. So when you pull back that top of the the ball, you'll you should be able to see the roots there. I mean, if you have to dig down, then there's an issue. There's too much soil. So a lot of times they're not necessarily planted too deep. There might be excess soil on top.
So it's I don't know if I'm making sense. So you really have to determine where that flare where that root starch is. Um, >> and that's just extra dirt that's like just because of the hole itself or what they're when they kind of >> when they come back because they they use a mechanical spade and then they put a wire basket on a lot of them to hold
the balls in tight. So what happens squeezes and where does it go? >> Comes up. Okay. >> You know and a lot of times these trees are dug in a well in advance. >> And this was called what was it? What's the term you used >> for which? Oh root flare. >> Root flare. >> Yes. >> Flare. Okay.
>> Interesting. >> We've gone around and with a lot of m trees that haven't been planted properly especially like maples where the roots start growing around the trunk and actually going with the pool. That that's what I was going to say that to Frank to your point like they don't always fail right away but it shortens the life because they have these like
girdling girdling roots. >> It is what happens they'll start to especially if you see stuff grow in containers it's an issue also the roots actually wrap the trunk of the tree instead of going out um you know so depends on species depends on how it was dug um you have a lot of issues. So, you
know, >> usually you have girdling in by roots. If you have a small area like a sidewalk and a curb and just stick it in there, right? >> Yeah. Where it hits the curb, it has no >> That keeps me in business, Frank. Please. >> You know, those
>> just something to think about or check on. That's all I >> Somebody reward the councilman coming here huh? >> Yes. I love it. Great. Uh that would uh end our meeting. I uh kept
in line with the the time that I was asked to uh keep in line with as there's another meeting coming in. So I would please like a motion to end this meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor?
>> I thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Happy Thanksgiving. Yes, everybody. >> Hard to believe.