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meeting of the burough council of Burough Morris claims for the year 2025. This resolution was adopted by the burough council on January 7th 2025 and published in the Morris news and daily record by posting a s resolution on the bulletin board in the burough hall. All the above actions in
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>> Yes. So, I did want to bring up uh the one thing that I mentioned last week um that we have some funding from uh the clean communities grant that we uh we have still that we'd like to use. Um I passed out some pamphlets of the uh one of the things that we were looking at.
Um these are the the big belly um uh trash bins. Um so they the benefits of them are that they would seal off any uh uh interference from animals, bees, Um they're also they're also smart
capable so they have a um user interface that comes with it so you can see how full it actually is. Um and then it comes with a 5year warranty in 5 years of the software. So we would be able to pay all that up front with the with the grant. Um one of the things I was looking to do was to do a combo trash
and recycling uh maybe at Simon's Park uh and but definitely at the community park where the snack stand is uh because that one gets tended to get very full um in the summers when the snack stands being used. Um, one of the things that really drew me to it and part of the plan is, uh, the outside has custom
panels. Uh, so I've already engaged with, um, uh, the Mountain Way and Burough School principles to see if the kids would want to turn it into an art project. So, they could, uh, they could be the ones that actually decorate the outside of the trash bin while we'd be
able to put the Burrow logo on the front. Um, and then also in the spring, maybe around Earth Day, I would turn it into I would go to the schools, hopefully visit the uh the STEM class, hopefully the eighth graders, um, and just give them an idea of how the system works and give the kids uh some exposure
to uh the systems engineering discipline. uh show how the cloud operates, how it works with uh on your handhelds, how all the little components in the in the trash bin itself, and how a regular simp relatively simple ecosystem operates to give them that uh
that exposure. Uh so, one of the things that I'm checking into is the reliability of the unit. So, even though it does come with a warranty, I want to make sure there's at least an SLA with them in that contract if that goes does go forward to make sure that we're not left with um and units and have more
trash bins. That is all I have. So, I'll have more updates as this goes. >> I have a question. Would that be something that our DPW would empty or >> Yeah, I just was going to say that.
Yeah, DPW would have to empty those. regular they wouldn't do that. >> No, no, right. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's just >> Yeah. So, one of the things I know the DPW I don't want to bother them with software and have to do all that. So, there would be just notifications that
would get emailed out when it gets full and then it would just go to their email. So, they have to be check. >> It's still it's still just a pilot. >> Does garbage can transmit when it's full? >> Yes. Wow. >> And it also has a light on the front so if it's green it's has capacity. If it's red, they'll notice they still
Uh there's a few. >> Okay. >> If I can get if I get one, I can put on my son's ears. >> The grant would cover. >> Mike, how many uh how many units were you thinking about? >> I was looking at a combination of uh one
trash, one receptacle, and you can join them together. So, if you wanted big unit, um so that'd be one set at Simon's Park and one set at Community. We were looking I was originally looking at Mountain Way, but due to security concerns, we can't put them that close to uh the school and I don't want to
dismantling combo. >> Yes. >> Okay, cool. >> And you can put whatever labels you want on the outside to decorate it. So >> that's >> what was the what was the approximate cost? Uh so the the plain one that would
be the recycling is uh 1,600 and then the sense which is the one that has the smart one is 2578 and that includes software warranty over the 5year period. >> So it's not cheap but there are ones with compactors that are almost twice as expensive and I'm not going down that route.
>> Okay. >> Uh not tonight sir. >> Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. I do have uh so um I believe all the council has received a draft of uh my notes for ordinance 14-23.
Um also attached uh was the schedule C. Um and uh I there there's a couple of things that I've highlighted um in the in the definitions of 1423. Again, this is a draft, right? These are
just my notes. Um, but one thing I' I'd like to consider adding is um a definition of mixed use building. Um, of course, we'd have to take that definition from uh the MLU. We'd have to speak with our planner
to make sure we get it correct. Uh, but we like I'd like to, you know, propose to to add that in. Uh and then one of the other things that I that I added there was um I expanded on
the definitions of warehouses uh to include major distribution centers, large fulfillment centers, um last mile fulfillment centers, small and small and micro fulfillment centers.
And the point the purpose of uh including those definitions number one is to define what those are right and then number two uh the idea would be you know if we wanted to um potentially you know I'll say
um restrict what kind of warehouses can go in what zone so we don't end up with massive warehouses somewhere in uh in Morris Place right now our the definition of warehouse is is very very sparse. Um so we want to further define
that and then um hopefully you know add that to to the schedule zones. And then the um the last thing you'll see on schedule sorry on uh page 10 there is um it actually goes along with schedule C um is that I propose to update
uh some of the different um uses um uh so for example um uh I split the the drive-thru so drive-thru currently I think is just uh number six uh so I propose split that
into three sections. One would be uh drive-through windows for financial institutions, one would be drive-through windows for pharmacies, and the last would be drive-through windows for restaurants. Um so by by splitting those into separate subsections
um I believe that it allows us to um align those with our zoning uh more accurately so we don't have just one catchall drive-thru. Um and uh we can hopefully further where where we want those types of drive-throughs in our
town. Um, and then the last thing I I uh propose there is uh photo number 11, which says apartment units shall not be permitted above the first four ine buildings located within the B1 zone and B5 zone. They're used as restaurants, retail, food establishments, taverns,
andor bars. I propose that we actually strike that from the uh schedule uh so that we can allow allow those types of uh to exist. So th those are my notes. Again, this is just a draft. Um I
circulated to the council because um you know, I'd like to get your feedback, not necessarily tonight. I know I just circulated it earlier this week. So I'm curious uh with the rest of the council uh what what your thoughts are on everything. Um, I do also want to say
that uh I do have a was able to get in touch with Plan Better Morris Planes and I do actually have a meeting with them um later this month. I believe we scheduled it for so sit down and get the public's input as well. Um you know the
ordinance committee is invited to join it. Mr. Mayor, you're you're welcome to join as well. Anybody who wants to can u but it's really just to get public input on on their thoughts on it. So >> send me the date once you have that. Sure. >> Absolutely.
>> Um just one thing with the apartments over Yeah. >> I just caution with I think I spoke to you about this before is parking, right? The businesses over here already have restricted parking. A constant complaint with them. Um we have no parking out
there, you know, 3 to 5 or 5 to 7, whatever it is out front. So I Okay. >> In certain areas where parking is a problem. Okay. The committee really looks at that. >> Okay. Thank you. It's the professionals
have not looked at this. >> They they have not looked at my notes. They have not >> I just comment um back during CO we had all those empty storefronts. So the I my logic approving the drive-thru was like a a CVS drive for acne.
>> Sure. No one thought what was going to happen. The friendlies was going to happen. Um, number one. And then number two, we I know Nancy and Joan were quite concerned with the warehousing that it could be data center which would create some crazy draw on electricity last mile
Amazon. So I I appreciate the breakdown of the three ways. I think that's a smart. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Just so you're clear. So you're gonna Oh, you're going to accept additional feedback from our council, which we already talked about it some, but
additional feedback on your draft, right? >> Correct. >> And then what's the next step? >> And I'm also going to collect feedback from the public. >> Right. >> Um and then uh once I have that, then because it is a um because it deals with land use, it does need to go to the planning board and our and our
professionals. Um so uh the plan would be that the council would make the recommendations to the planning board. The planning board would then review it, make their recommendations back. Um and because it's an ordinance, um you know, we would ultimately have to adopt any changes. Uh so that's that's a very I'm
summarizing the process. We all know it's going to take uh some time to do that, but that's that's essentially the process >> because I think that we have we might have opinions about what we'd like to see, but it would require research and input from like the planner on you know
if we wanted to do this what would it even fit in that zone and since that's not our area like we would get their their thoughts. >> Yeah. So they would definitely have to have it because some of the stuff that was proposed it has floor area ratios which I know you didn't think about or maybe you did. I don't think so but you
know parking regulations. >> Yes. >> They have the stuff in there. Yeah. By by stools you know for restaurants or by tables. So there's a lot of stuff. >> Yeah. The parking, >> the bulk standards, the setbacks and all that and even the height restrictions
and things like that. So all that like this would just be like our vision and then we have to get into the reality >> of what you can actually do right in the space >> and I think um you know if it depending on how deep we get right we we could even ask the the planner and the
engineer to be part of the meeting right so we could ask them questions um if we wanted to so um Yeah. So, take take a look. Um, you know, let me know your feedback. Like I said, I'm going to collect feedback from the council and the public. Um, and
then, uh, and and the professionals as well. And then, um, hopefully we'll we'll move uh an updated draft forward. >> Bill, parking, that'll be a little tough, but I remember when I was on that, we had this thing called shared parking. >> Okay.
>> Where >> that's in the But even even downtown, maybe there's business that don't use that park on a day. If there's a way, maybe we can start working with them because we're so limited. >> No, it's always looked at. So
>> tough to do. >> Well, I I with respect, Mr. Mayor, I think it's worth looking at again. >> We're not looking, but we have to look at that. It's going to be a tough one. >> Sure. >> I I agree. I know parking is a tough situation. >> I think it's harder to have, >> right? We have we have to consider
everything. Um, but I I do think that um, you know, the revisions to this ordinance are are needed. Um, and so that's again, these are my notes. It's my draft. Um, but I'd like to consolidate all of your notes as well.
So, please take a look. >> Thank you very much. >> Yes. So, >> I'm sorry. >> So, we discussed last time the meeting format and uh, I I addressed your comments from the last meeting. you'll see a draft template and then draft four
with examples for illustration only. So let's look at draft four. What I would suggest is that when we know that a topic is going to be discussed in conference that we list it on the agenda um sometimes we don't know until we get here that someone wants to bring up a
topic for discussion. But like for example here I list ordinance 14-2023 as a topic for discussion under conference. the meeting agenda and format, maybe the personnel manual, which is being updated if those were topics we want to discuss
just to have that on the on the actual agenda that goes out early if we know those topics. Uh just so that the public can be informed about what we're going to be discussing. And then under executive session, you'll see I provided a couple of examples that I've saw in other towns agendas such as attorney
client privilege to discuss open space purchase. Uh pending or anticipated contract negotiations in which the burrow is or may become a party attorney real property potential litigation um affordable housing as attorney client privilege collective bargaining
agreements. uh personnel issues related to non-union salary increases and assured service contract negotiation. So like to give a little more detail under executive if we know the topics that we're going to be discussing um to list them there >> and then
>> in order for that to happen everybody's going to have to get to the clerk their correct topic that the night of we're we're doing stuff >> exactly exactly if it's not >> and it's two days before that the agenda goes out so ahead. So if you know like he knew you know he knew you were going
to be discussing that ordinance we could get that to the clerk in advance you know of of the two days. >> Um we don't like you said we don't know but um and then finally we have >> so you're not are you printing all this stuff out or you just these are
examples. >> So this one everyone right if if the clerk knows what it is then that would be >> correct. So these are just examples of things we might want to mention in under conference and under executive >> things I saw from other agendas or
examples that we use. Uh this this top one the draft template is how it would look potentially uh the agenda and then you know obviously we have our current agenda we have the consent agenda listed out. So that would be here as well. So I don't have that shown but
under a consent agenda we would see these items. Um, so we have time to look over this agenda. This proposed agenda is basically what we have now with the addition of moving executive session after vouchers and including conference in the regular meeting schedule
beginning at 7:30 p.m. The only other thing that we still need to discuss is we had we had a preliminary discussion about whether we want to include on the agenda, which I did see on other towns, that public comment will be limited to a
particular amount of time. Now, that typically ranges between three and five minutes from what I saw on other towns. Um, and they usually do limit to one comment per person. So, it's not like uh one person can go five minutes and then
they come back and do another five minutes. Um, so I think that we haven't had to use this provision, but if we ever needed to because we had a full house and a hot topic and everybody wanted to be heard, that would be the opportunity where we would have to make
sure that this was um upheld by by the council and the mayor. Um so I wanted to just get your feedback on I I think not including the wording on the agenda is that if somebody comes to a meeting for the first time and they're not familiar with this procedure which is in our
council bylaws by the way people don't know what's in our council bylaws. They're not it's not a public document. So I feel that by not including it, we're not being transparent with the public that's in attendance that this is something that we could potentially have to uphold during the meeting. So I'm
looking for your feedback on whether you're comfortable including a statement like this. Public comment will be limited to one comment of no more than five minutes per person. >> So in those extreme situations, >> yeah, >> look, it would be optional for us to
enforce it if we needed to. It's there if you need to. You have one person come to a meeting and we want to talk for I say 10 minutes you can do it. I think it's still the opportunity to speak. I would definitely put it on
there and whatever our bylaws would say is what I whatever that is what I would do. >> Yeah. The bylaws say five minutes. Um >> but uh The only thing I would change or not change but the only thing I would
suggest is that um we say um something to the effect of public comment may be limited to one comment of no more than five minutes per person at the discretion of the council. I don't I don't know if there's anything, John,
legally about that, but I what I I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't want to we don't necessarily want to say that anytime you come here, you're only limited to five minutes every time. To the mayor's point, if somebody comes and they want, you know, one person, they want to talk for 10 minutes, right? They
can. The point is is that if if we want to um enact that, right, it's a public notice that, you know, we we're going to limit you. But I think we should do it at the beginning of the meeting. So the public's aware, not in the middle of, you know, public comment or not, you know,
>> just be on the sheet. You don't you don't say it every time. It just be listed on the okay the sheet that everybody has, >> right? >> No, that's all. >> Right. >> If somebody does take advantage of it, if there's sing a person here, the only person here, but if they do take advantage of it, you still can enact that. Right. So,
>> right. >> I wouldn't change May or whatever. I would just leave it as it is and as necessary. If you need it, then it's there. You know what I what I want to try to avoid is somebody coming up like we have a couple people coming up and they speak for two or three minutes and
one person comes up and starts talking for 10 minutes that we we stop them in the middle say hey by the way we have we have a five minute I think we should do it as a reminder at the beginning of the public comment to people when they do it just as a as a you know like I said reminder to the public so that they're
all aware what's going on. So that that's that's >> printed on every two two ways. Maybe this will address it for you. In some towns, they have it at the bottom of the agenda like you see here. And in some towns, they have it right next to >> I just put it right next to
>> public comment. And so that way you don't have to say because it's right there on the agenda. >> So do you want to move it up to public comment? >> Sure. >> That would be my recommendation. >> Okay. >> You can move it up. I you know, personally I I you know, I think for my
purpose a good thing even though it says it, right? I think if there was a packed house and a hot issue we knew was going to be >> right >> we would do right mayor be a good opportunity to to remind people >> um and did we decide whether it should
be may or will >> I not the attorney >> yeah I thought you were looking at me >> while he's My my suggestion would be would be that uh one we put it in the agenda right at
the public comment. I wouldn't put at the bottom. I know a lot of towns do that and I know a lot put it right smack in the body of the the agenda. My recommendation would be to put it in the body of the agenda. Um, I also I I I think it I don't think it's overly
relevant whether we put will or may either way. However, I don't think it harms us if we go with the we may do it for five minutes solely for in situations in which one or two people go for six minutes and then somebody else, you know, we we do cut
off at five minutes for whatever reason at a particular meeting. that would be where it would be helpful to say. Um I also think we should keep it consistent with the bylaws themselves. My recol recollection is the bylaws say five minutes. I wouldn't sway from that at all. >> Um and u you know I guess this could be
a little bit of trial and error too. I there's part of me that thinks it may be beneficial to actually remind the public when we open it up for public portion. just as it says on the agenda, you may be limited to five minutes uh at the discretion of the council and then and
then let it go. Um in a rare situation in which somebody comes up and you just need to to for whatever reason enforce it. Um but uh but I'm not I'm not I'm not mandating that you put may but I think that uh there could be a benefit.
>> All I can say is 20 years or however long I've been Nobody's ever taken advantage of that situation. So >> you mean no one's enforced it? >> Yeah. Enforced it or taken advantage of me. >> Yeah.
>> So whatever assumes that that's the count. >> Okay. So that so I think we're pretty much in agreement on this format for the meeting and so we we had several discussions on when this should take effect. Should we wait until the new
year because that's when we typically have our meeting notice go out. Um but then we did have some discussion within the council about uh enacting it sooner so that we have time to test it and see if it's working and then maybe by January we may say this isn't working. we need to go back to it having
executive first or we need to tweak the time or something like this. It gives us time to test this and just see how it goes this year um because we typically have to do a meeting notice for the next year anyway. So that was the suggestion. There is a draft resolution ready that
um starts this process and it lists the the meeting remaining meetings of 2025 which are October 2nd and 16th, November 13th, December 4th and 18th. So if we pass this now, we would have to notice and then it would take effect for the
October 2nd meeting. >> I mean I would I would just suggest if you're going to do it, let every put an eye on what you have with what's agreed upon or whatever and do it. If you want to do it early at the next meeting, I suggest just do it
in January because you can change it whenever whether it's 3 months later in January. >> Well, what's the difference if we're changing it three months then? >> I understand. That's what I just said. Or three months now. So, it doesn't really matter, >> right? >> So, if it's adequate and you don't change it, you won't have to change it
again. But whatever. So, that's just >> Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we'll know until we test drive it how it's working for the public and for us and um you know >> so so Nancy just to kind of recap for my benefit and maybe the public's benefit right so the suggestion here is that the
the both the conference so the entire meeting starts at 7:30 right and there is no break and then come back at 8:30 right there's no executive session we go at 7:30 like we do now then we break our executive come back at 8:30, right? The
the the meeting would start at 7:30. We would go through the entire meeting just flow, >> right? Conference, council, the whole thing, and then executive session be at the very end of the meeting, whatever time that is, >> right? So, essentially, the notice of the public would be, you know, the meeting starts at 7:30, we're going to
go through the whole thing. If that takes half an hour, great. If it takes three hours, whatever it is, right? But there's no 7:30 break, 8:30. >> Okay. Thank you. and it would incorporate discussion that we're currently having in the regular meeting agenda. Of course, during this period,
we can't take any official action. That would occur later in the agenda, but um you know, it all kind of flow. >> Okay. >> So, does does anyone want to have this moved forward later in the agenda to
take effect for our next meeting? And that I guess occur during our >> October second >> new business. >> So I it's a resolution resolution.
>> Okay. Under resolutions. >> Okay. >> But I think with the update the template, >> right, with the template with the statement that you made about putting the the public comment. Yeah. >> The resolution doesn't include the the template. That's just for our clerk and for us to know this is how we're going
to have our going forward. Um that's just for your understand. So we all are in agreement. >> Okay. >> Uh >> the resolution I took all the feedback from the last meeting which was basically to take out all the hedging like we you know we may um it just says
regular meetings of the governing body shall start at 7:30 hereafter executive session from which the public shall be excluded shall convene following the approval of vouchers. Includes the dates and then it has the perk certification. The other text remains the same from the
last version. >> So I guess we'll Does everyone want to have this move during the resolution period or do you want to defer it until the new year?
>> I I don't I'd like to move it forward. >> Pilot program people talked to in the council. It seems to be a hit just in the sense of the time change. So yeah, let's >> Well, there's no time change. >> Well, I mean like the starting actual meeting, we'll say at 7:30 instead of
8:30. I do. You need to look at the Bible. >> I had it last time for you. >> I just want to make sure that the public knows because I feel like for a long time the meetings have started at 8:30. So, as long as I guess we can all just
be vocal about it, but just to make sure that people know that at 7:30 it's game time. >> I think that's a good >> Yeah, but you still you're not going to >> regular business could start at any time after 7, right? >> That's why he's saying we need to
communicate about it so that people know >> because some people might come at 8:30 on October. >> You're going to have that from now until you have to let everybody >> an hour into the meeting. people get used to to something new. You're gonna have that. >> Right. Right.
>> Well, he's thinking about this. I have a couple things. >> Um >> um so just a couple things. Um the telephone call on Granis, you have to work with the chief to get that repaired. Had the motor vehicle That's
still dangling. I'll say >> the new one right next to it. >> It's tied up. >> I'll call I'll call tomorrow. >> You will? >> I will. >> Um just an update on the uh the poll on 202.
>> Yeah. So, I talked to um Bob about that. >> Yeah. Um and he said that unfortunately that they they do a I guess a survey of the polls every so many years. Um and when they look at the polls um they determine whether or not
it's uh viable to to an extent. And um because of where it is, it's in the brick and all that it would take um extra I don't know manpower to put it, you know, to to fix it. Um so what he said is that they would look at it again on the next round which is I have to
call him again. That is >> Yeah. Every couple years, >> right? So I I know I'm telling you what he said. >> Yeah, I know. But >> I'm not saying we're accepting it. I'm telling you what he said. >> You don't have to say anymore because >> that's way too long. >> I agree with you. It's already been too long. So >> that's that's that's a hazard.
>> Right. I will follow up with him again. Um and uh we'll find out what the status is. >> Yeah. That really I mean that's I mean I know they've made reports about it too. I think what he told me was that they their standard practice is to put one of those metal boots on the bottom of it.
Um, but I don't I don't know that does anything for the integrity of the pole. All it does is take a look at it. So >> yeah, >> remind Bob that's a poor excuse. So >> well I I will call >> Bob is due in here too. So ask him if he
wants to come sooner or later. >> Fair enough. >> I'll ask him. Um, and then the calls service sell service out there. Anything with that? Because it's gotten worse. >> Yeah, I've reached out to Verizon. I haven't got anything back from them yet.
So, I'll have to reach out to >> just keep poking that. Again, I don't know whether that's the new tower over there that they put on Johnson Road and something's not working or it's not switching or something. >> Mayor, actually, I'll jump ahead if you don't mind. part of my report, we're
having connectivity issues as well with our uh MDTs and patrol cars at like three or four specific locations in the burrow. We uh we're in contact with them talking about uh you know boosting that signal around there. Unfortunately, it takes a little bit of work, but they're talking about adding 5G and crater
points to our cars, which is obviously an expense because we lose >> connection between you know a portion of Littleton rail and then again on >> location as well. So, >> it's affecting first response as well.
So, we're uh we're hammering down. >> So, who are you talking to there? You have a police Yes. Yes. I can uh Mr. Loop in the conversation as well. Excuse me. >> Thank you, Chief. >> Yeah. I'm getting calls now.
No, but well no I I mean I don't I suppose suppose we pass it but with only the caveat that I do want to amend that hear
>> you in the background. >> Yeah. So, so as I was indicating I suppose that this resolution can be passed tonight um with the only caveat that I want to take a look at just take a quick look at the bylaws make sure it complies with it and if it doesn't for
Although I don't I don't foresee that happening. If it doesn't have to amend it, but >> you can pass something subject to something else. >> Well, I mean, we could always do that. >> I mean, John, I have I have the bylaws.
>> Oh, you have handy. >> Yeah. >> This isn't the proper I'll take I'll take a look at the bylaws. >> Okay. All right. We have a a need for executive session. >> Anybody
have any? >> I do have one update. Be okay. Resolution number 2025-115 executive session be resolved by the burough council of the burough marsh plains on the 18th day of September 2025
the mayor and the burough council should meet executive session from which the public should be excluded to discuss matters as permitted pursuant to NJSA 10 semi code 4-12 subsections >> B7 >> B7
The time when the matter is discussed pursuant to paragraph one here can be disclosed to the public is as soon as practical after the final resolution of the afor matter. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> Opposed abstain. The eyes have it. We are in executive session and we ask you to return by 8:30 or we will return by 8:30. This may be the last time. Part: 2
To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Almighty God we ask you bless this governing body with an abundance of wisdom and understanding so that in
fulfilling their public trust every deliberation will result in actions that will promote the common good and general welfare for all the people of Mars plains. Amen. Notice to members of the governing body and burough staff. Any use of electronic devices during this meeting shall be
used solely for the purpose of burrow business. We have approval of no approval. I'm sorry. Approval of consent calendar. Approval of consent that
We're chief of Mars this way, too. All right. Council Cortez report clerk, August 2025. Animal licensing, August 2025. Sanitarian, August 2025. Building inspector, August
2025. Police Department, August 2025. Tax collector, August 2025. Treasurer, August 2025. Resolution 2025-16. Resolution authorizing disposal of surplus property. Resolution 2025-117
titled Resolution appointing Rosemary Lamb as burl clerk and personnel director of burl of marshplains resolution 2025-118 entitled burough marsh springs resolution of support to submit a grant application to the firehouse subs public
safety foundation to obtain a Lucas 3 automated compression device costing approximately $22,000 resolution 2025-19 entitlements Resolution to authorize the change in custo custodian of a petty cash fund pro
resolution 2025-120 entitled Resolution authorizing a ride along program with the Morris Plains Police Department. Resolution 2025-121 entitled cancellation of balances and overp payments less than $10.
GSO be hired as a substitute crossing guard for the police department at a del rate of n $90 effective September 19th, 2025 upon successful completion of a background check and a physical exam. Effective September 18, 2025, Rosemary
Land is hereby designated at the acting clerk and authorized to witness the execution of documents on behalf of the of the burough in the absence of the burough clerk. The mayor is hereby authorized to execute a contract prepared by the burough attorney with
John Morgan Thomas Landscape Architects LLC for landscape architectural services for honoral pool block 7203 lot 7 and8 the court be authorized to advertise for the position of the part-time center supervisor
>> is there a second >> second by Miss Burger roll call please >> Mr. Cortez >> yes >> Mr. Yes. >> Mr. Houston. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Fontier. >> Yes. >> Miss Berg. >> Yes.
>> So, I'd like to just welcome Rosemary and say congratulations to you. I know you're not the lead clerk yet, but you're here as acting clerk. So, best of luck to you. And Christian, who took her spot as the deputy clerk. We welcome you, Christian. >> I'm not going to say your last name. So, if you want to say it, you can go right
ahead. But, uh, Christian, best of luck to you, too. Thank you for Thank you. Now, I'd like to have a public hearing on a soil for a soil disturbance permit, Mr. Ry. >> Um, thank you, mayor. Uh, first order of business would be to establish that
proper notice was given uh to the surrounding property owners. >> Okay. >> Um, I know Mr. Odig is here. I see him in in the audience. maybe he can give you a quick briefing of what he like to do and then I will
>> Why don't you come on up state your name and address state your name and address please and uh the reason that you're here for us my name is I'm here for soil so soil movement application and this is presenting me as
engineer department >> okay >> who prepared all the papers uh the reason I'm here because I need to move soil from my because I'm doing a drive and uh move it from the property. So I
need application for this. Uh I mean I apply just as for the record state your name and address please. >> 42 >> Mr. Right. Yes, ma'am. This this application is for
the disturbance of 241 cubic yards of soil. The threshold for permit is 200 cubic foot. This uh the work being done here is in connection with Mr. Odigo's garage and driveway modification that
he's doing at his property at 42 Frank. That whole project was approved by the board of adjustment some time ago. I as >> I have confident of interest >> just for the record Mr. Cortez will excuse us. >> So as I was saying this this this
project was approved by the uh word adjustment some time ago and all of the grading plans storm water management plan so erosion control plan were all approved as part of that. So there so that's all in order here. So, this is
just a call routine soil disturbance because you have to serve soil to build your housing projects and I uh I have no problem with the with the with the request and I don't have any engineering stipulations. There are some administrative items that should be
included in any in any approval you you might make. >> Do you have a letter that that what's the date on that letter? >> Data letter is August 12th, 2025 was addressed to Mrs. Denman and There's also a letter from our soil
consultant, Mr. Joe Norton. His letter is dated July 1st, 2025. He has he has a couple of uh conditions in there as his standard every every application he makes the same comments. See, this is there's nothing out of the ordinance.
>> So, I would uh this is uh this has always been a residential dwelling over there as your >> Yes. And Joe Norton's okay. He has a >> Yeah. Again, it's just, you know, he wants he wants the estimate. He wants, you know, all that's in place. But we'll be we'll
make a condition if if you take approval here on that letter, my letter August 12. >> Before we have any questions, did the engineer, do you have anything? State your name and address for the record. >> Yeah. My name is Anthony Forone. I work
for Casey Keller Incorporated. the engineers to the project. Um, my address is 42 Penniston Avenue, East Handover, New Jersey. Um, yeah, most of the like Mr. Ryden said, it's a it's typical soil service associated with construction of a driveway and a garage. Um a lot of the
soil movement uh is resulting from the construction of the dry wells uh which are storm water management device we're using um which we testified when we were seeking variance relief will hold uh the entirety of a 100redyear storm on our property. So that's generating most of
the soil >> and you were in receipt along with the owner of Mr. Ride and Mr. Norton's letter. >> Yes, I was in uh contact with both Mr. Ryden and Mr. you you and your client both are okay with the uh what's recommended from both of those letters?
>> Yes, sir. >> Do you have any questions? >> Uh the only thing with the drywall was that required because of the removal of services. >> Uh the proposal of impervious services >> that was my question too. 100 years it
sounds like a lot of water and is it because you removed a lot of you removed a lot of grass and trees? >> Uh we were proposing a lot of impervious surface. So that's why I mean that was um approved when we went to the uh planning board. So that was a a large you know I guess selling point per se is
that we were providing enough storm water management to hold those that run off >> so the neighbors would have less concern about storm. Uh just one question maybe this is more for Mr. where um when you remove the soil where where will it go?
>> That's up to Mr. >> Okay. >> The only the only thing is if if he deposit it on another property in Mars plane that property will also need a soil disturbance permit. So >> some application is going to be to this uh soil
uh um >> a recycling center. outside the mor. Yes. Okay. And just just so I think I heard you correctly, the >> um he's allowed to remove 200 cubic yards, but he's removing 241 cubic yards.
>> Well, the total disturbance is 241 yards. He's actually removing from the site 164. >> Okay. >> So, you know, it's like 10 trucks, >> right? Okay. >> Thank you. And these operations will take place during normal hours according
to ordinances. >> Yes. >> I have anybody else have any other questions? >> Did you have to did you when you went before the board adjustment did you exceed the coverage requirements for the property? Was there a variance for that? >> Yes, that's what we seek relief from.
>> Okay. >> Yes. >> You provide testimony for >> No, I did not. I am not a licensed engineer. terms. Um, I do have an EIT, but I'm not a licensed engineer. I work for the licensed engineer who did testify uh to that and I was at that
meeting. >> And and sir, you you're familiar with the reports of Mr. Ryden dated August 12, 2025 and Mr. Norton July 1st, 2020. >> I had all the reports, everything on my email. >> You and you agree to abide by whatever conditions contained within those
reports? >> Yes. I'm satisfied. >> Have a resolution when >> next meeting. >> But is it's approved tonight. >> If it's approved tonight, there'll be a
resolution in half next assuming you get. Would anybody like to make a motion tonight that we approve the soil movement permit of the applicant here tonight subject to the uh the conditions contained within the reports? >> So move. >> Is there a second?
>> Second. >> Second by Tyler. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Houston. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ivy. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Congratulations.
I do have a resolution in hand. >> Thank you. back. >> Thank you. For the record, Mr. Cortez has rejoined us after just before we do get to the public invitation, just a couple things. I'd
like to thank the shade tree commission and uh the uh for the addition of probably 15 or 20 trees I think it was along Route 53 out there in front of the warehouses that
probably should have gone up when they did the cor the plantings over there but that's okay got replaced that certainly filled in there now looks nice And also the uh sidewalks along Route 53 and Foxwood um
has been started probably close to finish now if anybody's been out there and they can see it or at least one side is finished. So that was a grant that we got through Cheryl and the DOT for that sidewalk out there.
Nancy started that quite a few years ago take a look that's going on out there. So I'd like to welcome the public everybody who came out tonight and there's anybody wishing to speak up front and state your name and address.
>> Jofield please. Julian. >> Hi. Um, I just had a question regarding the demolition at the Friendley's Corner property. Um, I know back in the meetings that we had months ago that
they were requiring them to wet down the site when they're doing the demolition and that is not happening. And OSHA requires wetting down dem demolition sites to prevent dust. I could read the whole thing, but they're not. There's a
water truck there. They're not using it. There's video of dust clouds going when they knock down the buildings and there's no water being used over there. >> Okay. Uh do you know anything about >> I I don't that that demolition is now
under the jurisdiction of uh the construction official, Mr. Okconor. So he would have to >> or someone from his office would have to enforce that. >> I think somebody contacted you. >> I I got it. >> Oh, all right. I drove by one day. I saw the dust cloud. I called the mayor. He
recommend I called. I talked to Don Serno. He said the truck was on site, but they started the demolition before the operator was there for the water truck. So, um, but I did see, >> but that's not okay.
>> No, no, I just happened to drive by. >> I'm just saying that that was stated in the I think it was in the resolution with private construction and the demolition. And I know Carolyn Bennett's son has issues with breathing and you
know that was stated that this will not be a problem and with the amount of public you know interest in this project I would think that things would be on top of and being you know taken care of. It's not
acceptable and somebody needs to go over there and take care of it. >> Is it a Honda? >> Yeah. >> Has anybody called? Has anybody sent a letter out to like the entire town,
>> the council, the planning board, everybody, >> and nobody's gotten back to her. I think you sent her one line. >> Yeah, I sent her I sent her a response. >> Yeah. To that, >> but that you were the only one. Well, because the whole council can't uh respond all at once and
>> the answer is going to be the same whether somebody else >> what's the answer >> that everything is going through the building department. >> Okay. >> The building department hasn't responded. >> I I understand that Bill O'Con was at her house and that she's been in several
times and has talked to Karen Coffee and Bill. >> Well, it's still not taken care of. So that's news to me because the last report that I got from the building department when I was following up with it is that they spoke with Jill.
>> Okay. But they didn't do anything. There's no water being sprayed on it and then >> we have video of it. >> Okay. Well, I'll take care of that then tomorrow. Make sure there's water on. >> I mean, it's just like this was all stated when this procedure went forward that this would be this would be done.
This would be done. This would be done. And nothing that was promised is being done. There was no fence. Jill had to go and get the fence taken care of. Like none of the things that were promised are being done. So I'm very aggravated
about it. And you know, it's not our job to make sure that these things are being >> at all. And but I think the fences put up with work. >> No, it was not. There were there were kids playing in broken glass, throwing things and breaking things during the
construction or during the demolition. >> I will make sure that the water goes on that site and is on there when you're doing any sort of demolition. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I will make sure that that gets done. >> Okay. You're making it sound like, you know, >> that gets done. It is a big deal. That's
why I want to make sure that it gets done tomorrow. >> If that didn't get if nobody But like why do we have to be the ones to like come and tell you these things? >> Well, I I know the building department has been over there several times for inspection. Whether they have not seen
anything or whether they were using water there, I >> they haven't used water one time since they started. >> Not one time. The truck has been there, but they have not put water on it. Not once. >> We'll make sure that that happens. >> I would appreciate it. I have I have a
meeting with um with Bill tomorrow >> and I I'm not going on Bill like I realize he's short, you know, he doesn't but >> it's not our job to make sure you guys are complying with what you promised us. >> Correct. Right. But but as you know, as
was stated, right, Bill's head of the construction office over there, right? So, um I have a meeting with him tomorrow. We're going to talk about a number of things. I'll I'll bring it up um with him. I understand that it's some of that's too late, right? because it's happened already, right? >> Oh, there's still a lot more to go. >> Understood. And that's what I'm saying.
Moving forward, right, we'll we'll all talk to him about being better about, you know, being more diligent um about looking at what's going on over there and enforcing what what was in the documentation. >> I appreciate it. Thank you. >> And Bill, it wouldn't be a bad idea pre-oaking before construction.
>> Yeah. I mean, they don't do they just set up the the hose over there running out of pocket. they should be doing. >> Is it the borrow that's not comping or is it the contractor that's not comping? >> Well, if that's the case, then the
contract. >> Okay. >> Part of construction meeting is all this stuff that comes up. What should be on when >> Hi, Jere. Um, I wasn't planning on speaking because I the letter and I understand why you
can't all respond, you know, so >> thank you. >> Um, but as Joanne was just stating and I think I stated in my letter, I understand there's a lot of construction going on in town. It's not just that property. You know, there's the wer and
there's, you know, other individual house, you know, things that are going on. Um, and I also understand that our construction department is part-time. I mean, it's very limited hours. And that's why I'm not trying to point the
finger at Dono or Bill O' Conor or whoever it may be. They're only here for a few hours a day and construction goes on all day long, seven days a week sometimes. So, >> well, we have other people that can do it. We have an engineer that can do it.
If there's a problem, you can get in touch with and have an issue as well. So, >> you know, I just have to be I'm the lucky winner of living next door to this property and I witnessed there was the water truck being used one day during the friendly de demolition. Um, in fact,
I stood out there with some neighbors and the kids and we were watching it and so I just assumed everything's going the way it should be going. But then when the building next door at 4:15 was being started the demo, the water truck was parked in the
parking I could see it from my house. Never moved. Wasn't sprayed down prior to, during, or after. I have video and I can send it to all of you if you'd like to see it. I was standing in my backyard as the wall and the chimney of that building came down and dust is blowing
everywhere. You can actually hear the debris falling. Um, and my concern is because when I went to look at the asbestous report, I noticed that there was three samples that were not
submitted that for all I know that could be a speestous and now it's been blowing all over my neighborhood. Um, my husband has health concerns. I'm don't know about everybody in my neighborhood, but I also know that, you know, Miss Bennett
spoke and her son does. We can't just sit quietly when things are being promised that are going to be done or we should expect are being done because they may be like OSHA requirements and then it's not done and then we're just backpedaling and trying to like,
okay, well, I'm going to speak to them or this and that. The fencing, yes, the fencing was put up twothirds of the way and they never put it up in the back so I could walk in anytime I wanted to for my my backyard because the rotting wood fence that was
supposed to be replaced last year was never replaced. Um I so when Bill you know was aware of that you know he did have that fixed the next day fencing was put up. I appreciate, you know, how quickly he work, you know,
worked on that issue, but honestly, it shouldn't have been, they shouldn't have even got their dental permit before it they could prove that all these things were in place. Like I I don't >> So when did Bill come to talk to you after he talked to me before I wrote this letter, before it started getting
ripped down? It was just um >> Did Bill talk to you after I sent the response either? >> No, I have not. No one has responded except you and Chief. >> So, did you speak to Karen after that letter? >> I
>> or after the email. >> No, I haven't spoke to anybody. I'm actually going there tomorrow, but um you know, but no one has responded. >> Well, that's disheartening first of all. So we'll take care of that because I
specifically said to follow up whatever the problem was >> and that didn't happen take care of that but that's what I was was told that that you responded to. So this is news to me and
the rest of us here thought it was all taken care of. >> It's been a week. Um, it's very concerning if this is just the beginning of this whole project that may happen. Um, I'll gladly send you a bill for my time
being on top of things because nobody else is. It seems like, um, I sort of expected the finger pointing, but it's not our part-time, you know, construction people
that should be responsible. I mean, yes, they should be responsible for certain things, but when it comes to like certain promises that were being made, how are they supposed to know? Who is supposed to let them know these promises were made
to the public? >> So, everybody has the copy of the resolution so they all know what >> the resolution doesn't have everything in it. >> I have read it many times. That's what everybody goes on and there are certain requirements for permits
when they pull when they pull the permit what's required for that >> right >> and the asbestous you know I have a hard time seeing that they got that the best didn't come back with any of these reports I >> no the asbestous reported stated that
there was 23 samples taken and submitted but then when the report came back from the lab they had results for 20 and then three of them the class three they stated in their report sample was not submitted so there was no results in
>> so I don't I do you know anything about that bill at all so we'll have to >> it's a little late for that >> we uh sorry Mr. Mr. Do we know in the in the resolution um are there are there any penalties um for the um property
owner if they don't comply? >> The resolution doesn't stipulate any penalties. The resolution stipulates compliance with all laws and and requirements for for all the operations they do. So if there's if there's penalties to be assessed that would be through the construction.
>> Okay. So so if like if for example they're not lies with um you know dust remediation right if there's a penalty to be assessed there it's done by the construction office >> that's that's assessed by the construction official >> because I know when when they started
demolition prior to having the the permits right there was a stop work notice put over there there was a a fine associated with that so >> well that's the other action that can be taken he can issue a stop work order because they're not complying with the the requirements >> okay so >> but that's right you know right now
that's under totally under the office jurisdiction. >> Right. Understood. >> My word against I mean I have that's my that's my issue when it comes to the people that are supposed to be overseeing and making sure that
everything is happening to code or law or whatever it's called. If they're only part-time people that are only available a couple hours a week and when they come to our town they have that's not the only site that they have to oversee. Like this is ridiculous. Like it it
shouldn't be I shouldn't have to be looking out my window to make sure things are happening correctly. Um it's just very disheartening. I mean I don't know what to say. It's
just especially when it comes to health concerns. Um, but I have numerous times when I've taken video or pictures and the trucks aren't being it's on the site. It was used the
first day and then it was never used again. But if Bill goes to see, you know, they say we used it every time and whose word is it, you know, like it's it's just my word against theirs. I mean, >> we'll have talk with Bill. Bill and I
will talk to Bill tomorrow. Okay. Well, >> I shouldn't have to babysit the site and I'm just really upset. >> Mike Baza 9 Mayfair Road. Good evening, Mayor Car and Council. Last month I was here and was very
encouraged to hear that the council is uh undertaking a proposal to look at uh rooming houses and boarding houses and Mars planes that are being done legally. Uh this is something that my neighbors and I have brought to town individuals uh town employees and council members
for some time. Uh and we're really looking forward to something being passed quickly. Uh for me personally, this is this comes down to a safety issue. When you have multiple unrelated people occupying a single family residence,
you don't know what is coming or going or who is coming going from that home. Are they bringing in hot plates? Are they bringing in space heaters, other things that you know potentially tax the electric system in the house? Um my house is 100 years old. Okay. I and the
houses in my neighborhood are all very close together. God forbid there's a fire, somebody gets hurt, somebody gets killed before we take action. So, I was hoping to come here tonight and and see that there would be, you know, something on
on the docket for consideration. Uh I appreciate all that you do. You all have other lives and and you know, other things going on. Uh this is extremely important though and I strongly encourage you to take this up as soon as possible. Um you have our full support
in our neighborhood. Anything we can do to help you in that regard, uh I'm here to do it. I won't speak for my neighbors. Um but you know, there are other examples of of ordinances like this in other towns around the state. And I don't think we need to get to a
perfect ordinance. you know, don't let perfect be the good, you know, the enemy of the good enough. So, um, appreciate, you know, all your support on this and and really look forward to coming back here soon and, uh, seeing an ordinance under consideration. >> Yeah, Mike. So, thanks for, uh, for
coming in. Uh, the mayor did actually, uh, present an ordinance to us, uh, to as the head of the ordinance committee. I did look at it with Tyler Hart as the ordin um, you know, as the committee. Um, and the only question I had was was
about enforcement. Um that other than that the the ordinance looked good. Um my only concern was, you know, how how would we enforce this this ordinance because we don't have full-time health people, right? As as we mentioned before, most of our people that do inspections are part-time. Um but, you
know, we we we have we've been doing it certain way for years. So, we just we just want to I just want to flush that out a little bit more to make sure that when we do pass this that does get enforced so that we're not So, um, that is on my plate. Um, and I
do intend to to bring it to the council at the next meeting. >> I I appreciate that. Um, look, money talks, fines talk. You know, in some cases, it's uh owners are are renting a house, perfectly legal, you know, renters coming in and then they're
subleting it to somebody else. And if the owner's on the hook and the owner's getting fined on a regular basis because they're not watching what's going on on their property. Um, look, it talks to me, you know, so I get it. You know, enforcement's difficult.
>> Just so just so that we're clear though, there's nothing there that we can enforce right now, right? We've gone through those channels where the people have gone into that house, right? And all the rest of those >> That's what we've been advised. the uh
the ordinance committee was presented with a with a full ordinance took a bunch of different towns and put it all together. Um we did have a conversation at the last meeting I believe it was and uh seemed like a simple question right to
to blanket everything with um a proper bur official right so that could be a fire official it could be police it could be board of health it could be building could be whatever so that's I think that's where they're at right now so you can get that for the next meeting at
least for the first reading on this Yeah, as I said, we'll we'll talk it through again with the committee and um I think we were all in most agreement. Um again, it was just an enforcement thing, but the mayor's um uh you know,
made a statement about uh our current enforcement policies and uh you know, I'll I'll convene with the committee and if we think that's sufficient, then I don't see any issue in bringing that forward at the next meeting. >> Thank you. Appreciate your support. Thank you very much.
Bill Chance 13 question about the um the referendum that's coming up through the police headquarters. So my understanding is be approving uh expenditure of like 7 million to 13 million. What if the town
approves let's say the town the referendum comes positive? Yes. But then the board or the council later decides they want to do a $4 million project or something or scale it back. Is that something they have to do or is this something they have the option to do? >> Correct me if I'm wrong.
>> What the council is asking the residents to do is uh we're actually asking for the temperature of the residents to spend between seven and $13 million whether it's renovations here or offsite somewhere. So you're really um okaying
an amount of money. If it's less, I'm sure that that would be wonderful, right? But it can't exceed whatever the highest number. >> By the way, the chancell project and we're going to spend less. That's something they have the option to do. Correct. >> The only reason I bring this all up is
so first know why, but I spent the last two weeks, right, digging through the 10 years of budget reports, right, on the website. And I do think that there's a potential math issue, right, for the town. If you look over the last many years. Um, you know, the uh property tax average property tax has gone up about
2% a year, right? Which makes sense given the property tax cap, but the expenses have gone up around three and a half% or three and a quarter% a year, which actually I think is pretty good. I mean, I think that shows that the council's done a good job trying to bring things in, but there's still a gap. The gap was closed because we built
76 sorry 671 new housing unit spike in the last 10 years which generated about $250 million of an incremental uh assessed value right which did three things right it offet a decline in assessed value on the non-residential
side of about 100 million allowed the town or the bureau to close that gap right between the spending run rate and the um and the tax run rate as well as pay down some debt right the issue is so you Pearl's in pretty good financial shape now, right? But the issue is looking forward the next 10 years,
right? We're not going to build 671 units. My understanding is from the last thing we're going to build like 32 units, something like that. Heard it's been challenged, but you know, it's probably not going to get to make change, but not going to get to 671. So then we start to say, how are we going to, you know, where is that money going
to come from, right? And then on the on the um commercial side, I mean, there are some things that are, you know, working in our favor. We got the right to property. Obviously McDonald's is controversial. that gets built is going to help with the rate of those. But if you look over time, certainly feels to me like there's only a handful of
properties that we have in the town that really can develop on. That's essentially what we told the state, right? We only really put in six units, right? So the question is going to be once we get to that point, right, where we sort of built out, you could sort of see that's coming that 2% property cap that is going to be brutal. It's going
to cause a lot of pressure, right, on the expense side of the equation. When you look at the cost side of the equation, right, 40%, right, is two areas, right? Public works and public safety. And a lot of that 60% is, you know, non-controllable items, right?
Things like insurance, right? Sewer fees and whatnot. So, I got a feeling we could be at a point at some point down the road, right, where we're going to have to look at, you know, major changes to how the town is structured, right? How, you know, shared services with the police, shared services with public works, that sort of thing. And the
question is when how far into the future are we talking? And I know we've never had to actually, you know, go through and actually hire, you know, pay, you know, these accounting firms to come in and do this kind of analysis, but I think we now need to take that kind of longer term view of what is this going to look like? You know, how far into the
future are we talking? Because if it's 10 years, it may not make sense to spend $7 million, right, on a new police headquarters if 10 years from now we're going to be looking at, you know, a shared service type situation. But if it's 25 years, then there's probably enough, you know, time horizon there. >> Yeah. So, I mean, there's many factors
to look at during this, right? And I think Mike during his presentations are going to bring up some of those factors, and that's what the residents of the most have to decide, right? And then the council's going to have to decide, yeah, let's do that. You know, it's warranted or what have you, right? So, we've had
our uh um our auditor look at it and our CFO has looked at it. they came up with a number and then that's what it's going to you know add to whatever your tax increase is. >> I get that part. I'm just looking more but I guess the ask I'm happy is is
would you be willing to you know have you know hire Monies accounting for us to come in and do a long-term financial projection so that we have the context right of that before you make the final decision on how much you spend. I tooured the you know facility you know with the chief today and I totally understand why we want to do what we
want to do and it totally makes total sense. I'm not challenging the project. It's challenging and I think we have to put in context of what's the future financials because that 2% uh cap I don't think is going away, right? I mean, the state's getting more more and more bought into, you know, subsidizing
the property taxes and that 2% is going to put relentless pressure. I think you guys are going to see it honestly at this next uh round of budget, right? There hasn't been any new development the last year. I think the 2026 budget's like, >> you know, that's not all we rely on the buildings. We don't always, you know, that comes and goes, right? So, you have
to be financially strong like you said and and have a vision for at least five years out. Um, we know what our debt is. You know, I've tried to make it my goal to become debtree, right? So, we've eliminated some debt. We have
that's left that may be up next year possibly, right? You may have seen that, right? And so, I think burrow is in good is in a good spot, but you can only get so much from the storm, right? But the rate of will still be going up. Property values will be going up, right? So
there's a lot% cap is on 2% cap is on the property tax. Once you can't grow your ratables, you're stuck at 2%. And I think that's going to be really, really difficult. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what we've done. I'm just saying I think it's time to take a longer view than just what we've done, you know, kind of taking a year by year.
>> Yeah. But some things are in the 2% cap and then there's other expenditures that are outside the cap. So I mean, It's It's a lot to look at. Absolutely. 22 road. Um I have a couple questions on
the purchase of the Lucas device. Um the first one's going to be do we know where it's going >> store with us is for first responders to get on people cardiac arrest. Personally I know I've used it in my line of work.
Um are you guys I know manpower is very very tough both on all aspects across the country not just you know between you have attested over the past couple years you know your man has been the same as my grandmother's been performing here in this town um are you guys aware
that you guys have to stick with it if it >> yes >> are you guys have any plan for that safety wise if that has to be implemented >> if that and it's shared with you know EMS who has the training to use the device as well as the county is where you know we first saw the device in use
that you know critical um CPR effective CPR done you know human can't do like the device can so but yeah that training aspect does come into play >> and then the only other question I have does the burrow I know stated underneath Mos's um statement a couple minutes ago
does the burrow have a um a nurse or a medical director that will oversee the performance of that >> yeah we we use lin Thank you so much. >> And thank you for your service, Mr. Ducky. Appreciate it.
>> Anybody else? >> See, you know what? Moving on to reports of committees and department. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I don't like I could wait. It's not It's not urgent, but Hi everyone.
Kats 17 idle wild drive. Um my first well really my question um was that seeing as we're back to school and my family is second year at Mountain Way and as a parent I'm driving around town and I'm just I'm wondering what the
process is um of installing crosswalks if necessary. I'm wondering if there's a possibility um so we live on Idle Wild and our backyard backs up to Granus and poor Miss Claudia who is a saint and just life and limb every day to correct
driving on Granis, especially when back to school comes. Um the possibility of a crosswalk a little further up Granas from um Oh god, what is that cross street? >> Yeah. Uh yeah. Or even further back just because I feel like there's enough kids
that cross there. Um, even if we can't man it with a person, I just think coming from the morning commute from Route 10 down Meadow Bluff Road down Granis, people just fly. And because it's downhill, they fly. Even just the
presence of a painted crosswalk might cause people to just >> So, correct me if I'm wrong. I think that that was looked I think that that was looked at, but the curvature of the road there was an issue. It's a sighteline distance issue there as well
as uh and you know from this Claudia being there right where's a sun glare issue there change in the seasons as well um but >> as you've seen I've seen over 25 years our are kids from different neighborhoods that es and flows throughout the time so you know we're looking at just for a crosswalk state
there are some concerns there I mean we did add one um fur down by gran um >> and waton years ago um but again that's a little bit more line of sight It's that that curvature in the roadway when you're coming uh Grand Avenue coming
into town, right? You have, you know, a greater slight distance, but when you're coming, you're passing over Mount Way, heading out of town. That curvature in the roadway is just really tough there. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> Not to say they can't be done, but something we would certainly take. >> But Mike, you do have a safety meeting, traffic committee meeting coming up
anyway. >> Already made the note. >> Bring that up. >> Yeah. If it's not possible, it's not possible. But I just think also I mean I do it myself sometime sometimes when driving like when you're coming down from Central Park just the natural. >> Yes. Okay. >> Always. >> No, I mean there's times when you don't
realize you're like, "Oh my god, I'm going faster than I should." And especially like because this road backs up to my backyard and I see how people fly. I'm just not as mindful. But maybe if there was just even just the painted lines, it would make me think, "Oh, this is a pedestrian crossing and I should just, you know, be aware." And
>> Mr. Ryden will also share it. Sorry. No, Mr. Ry will share with you. We put lines down, right? Then we've made the crosswalk, right, Bill? So then we have to have ADA maps for people like landing pads for wheelchairs to cross and what have you. So it's more than just the paper lines. It becomes curb puffs and
ADA mats and engineering and a larger expenditure than just applying some paint. So it can't be done. We'll certainly consider, but >> it'll be a topic of our discussion. >> Cool. Thank you. >> We could also put our motorcycle in order. I was watching
He had like four or five car stop. I think it was the day of of school opening or the second day for >> really it's kind of hidden but I was talking to the officer and he had the gun and it was like 25 35 38 40 43
>> but they did a great job. >> No, they do a fant and thank you too. Yeah, they really do. But I feel bad that it's using those resources, you know, to you know just for for that purpose. Um, but we appreciate you very much. >> Absolutely. Thanks so much.
>> Um, while I'm thinking of thank yous, I did also just want to I I really appreciate being here for the council of the conference session and to hear the discussion. Thank you, Nancy, for bringing it to the attention of trying to change up the meeting. Um, just to make it accessible clearly, I think
tonight as you know, is as any uh is as good of an example as any that people are really interested and just want to know the process. And I appreciate the council for really like taking it into consideration, doing the research, having a really great back and forth about what would work best for what you
need to do versus what the public, you know, would find most accessible. So, I really really appreciate that. And I also appreciate, Bill, you um wanting to bring back the ordinance 14 2023 to be able to just define better because I think we're only going to continue to grow as a burrow. We're only going to see more businesses and more things come
into town. >> What's that? >> More cars. >> Yeah. the better that we can define certain things the way that they are written, I think the better it serves all of us. So, thank you. Thank you all for what you do. >> Thank you.
>> Real quick, please. So, there is a crosswalk. >> Yeah. >> What was that? >> Watnong Park. >> Watn Park. Okay. Park. >> What about Watan? >> Watnong Street. Right. When you come down from Central Park, say again, is it
Watang that runs Central Avenue >> or Grand? >> He's talking about above Meadow Bluff coming into town. >> We talked about that a couple years ago. >> Metal Bluff. >> Coming down the hill. >> Coming down the hill. >> So first planes
>> and then you make a left to come into Mars plant. Were you talking >> right? >> That's what I believe. Right. >> Yes. >> I didn't I didn't hear what you said that >> street and >> Oh, and we talked about this a couple years ago.
>> That's what I meant. Yeah. >> Yeah. And you guys mentioned that you got approval for it and you said it was there's a crosswalk there >> that crosses from one side of the >> Yeah. Where the sidewalk is.
>> Yeah. Is that one street? >> It's not street but road drive. Okay. >> Okay. >> Because there's a sidewalk there, >> right? There's a sidewalk on on Granis, >> right? But on the opposite side of Grass.
>> Yeah. >> Right. >> Concern was the kids walking on Watn to get across. >> Yeah. >> And then have the sidewalk. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Was that was is that within like the
past two years? should come. >> There's no cross. >> I don't think there's a cross. >> I think it's a great spot and we talked about this and you actually came to my house and said it was approved and you said it will take a very long time because I think it's D,
>> but I don't think it's there. >> Oh, maybe we can look at it. >> Yeah, he like I said, he has a traffic committee meeting. So, >> yeah, >> we got to go out there actually and look now scratching my head. It's a great spot for it. You know, if you walk by,
>> but I don't know. >> I don't think it's there. >> I don't think so. >> I think that's what I was talking about. >> I was >> Anyway, don't bring it up at this traffic committee meeting. So, appreciate it. I think it's a great spot. It's a perfect spot. There's a lot of, you know, a lot of people walk
around horse lands and if you do that, >> you would walk on turn right on gran, you know, you do a loop around horse land. All right. Thank you guys. >> Okay. >> Moving forward, finance.
>> Thank you. >> As the mayor said, we welcomed a new staff member this week, Christian. Pretty good. >> All right. >> Deputy Kirk. And this week, he's already passed his his notary test. So, we have
another notary in the office and he's finishing up his test for municipal reg certified municipal registar as well. So, he's been working hard on getting certified so we have more hands in that office to serve the public and also he's continuing to work on his clerk's classes at the same time. So, learning
on the job. Um the staff said goodbye to our burough clerk Roseanne Don who had her last day in the office this week and officially retires October 1st. Stepping into her as the mayor said, is the very capable Rosemary Lean Lean, who is now our acting municipal clerk running that
office. Uh, our labor attorney completed review of our personnel procedures manual and I received a draft of it last evening. So, we will be circulating that to the council members for discussion with department heads for any changes. Under finance,
there's now a single combined application for senior citizens. It's called senior freeze and it uh for property tax reimbursement and it combines the anchor and state New Jersey programs um and those for those collecting social
security disability benefits and the the forum as I was knocking on doors this week. It is a little confusing for some seniors. They were working on it as I was there and the state is holding public assistance sessions for filling out those forms. The nearest session to
us is in Dover on September 23rd from 1 to 4 p.m. at the fire lounge, 7 North Sussex Street. Uh the green team met on Monday, September 15th. Here's a quick update. We will be meeting with the planner from the Highlands Commission to join us for
an October kind of exploratory information meeting where they will explain the benefits and costs of complying with the Highlands master plan. We also discussed topics for our next newsletter, including a possible anti- idling campaign in the burrow since gas
powered vehicles were found to be our number one cause of greenhouse gas emissions when we did our report a couple years ago. Um, we also reviewed a first draft of a green building checklist that we will ultimately circulate to the planning board for consideration in the council.
This was an item recommended in the bureau's 2018 master plan re-examination report. And um emissions from commercial and residential buildings were the second highest source of our greenhouse gas emissions behind transportation. So incorporating green design principles
can reduce loads on storm water systems, cut down on material waste, reduce water and electricity usage, enhance occupant well-being, and improve the air quality through preservation or augmentation of green spaces. This checklist is recommended to be submitted by the
developer developer for any applications and incorporated into the review and planning process for building development projects. Now it is not a requirement that they comply. It is suggestion. Builders may commit to pursue a similar self assessment or certification such as lead in l of this
checklist. We're also working on highle document that describes the benefits of creating a sustainability element of the master plan which is another recommendation that was made in the 2018 re-examination report. And if anyone's interested in joining us, we're looking for a new
member or two to help with some of the research and outreach. For planes talk, the deadline for the November issue is October 13th. Please continue to submit photos and stories to our editor, Michelle Diamond. Under elections, we have our uh we have
ballots from the county being mailed starting this Friday for those who requested a mail-in ballot. October 14th is the last day to register to vote. And uh the deadline to apply for mail and ballots is October 28th if you apply by mail or November 3rd at 3M 3M if you
apply in person at the board of elections. And uh September 15th through October 15th is Hispanic Heritage Month observed. It's time to honor the voices and stories that contribute to our shared history. The dates were chosen to
coincide with independence anniversaries of several Latin American countries. And I'd like to call out one of our burough employees, Richard Mahia, who organized a cultural celebration around his Mexican independence day in his town this Saturday at Clifton City Hall.
Richie has uh just to brag about one of our employees, he has his MBA, 23 years old, has his MBA and was elected to his board of ed last year and is the youngest person ever elected in Jersey City. So, our teens are lucky to have him as a mentor and coordinator and uh
he's a great example of someone of Hispanic heritage that has really contributed to our own community. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mayor. It's always hard go after Nancy, but I I always do my best over here. So, the police department is
currently interviewing for the new officer. They have a couple people that have made it through round one. So, now they will meet with chief and some of the leadership. And at that point, if uh they like the candidates, they will come and meet with the council and then that will be a decision. Um, as you saw
earlier or heard earlier, we passed the ridealong resolution. Just to give kind of a quick breakdown of that, the department's ridealong program is established to provide citizens with an opportunity to view law enforcement operations from the perspective of an officer. The program is not only
designed to foster positive relationships between the department and the community, but to enhance citizen participation and involvement within the department. The program accommodates all persons 18 years of age or older. Every person desiring the ride along is afforded the opportunity to do so unless
it is demonstrated that allowing certain persons to do so would cons constitute a hazard to the individual, the officer, the department or the community. Members who volunteer for and take part in the ride along program are expected to conduct themselves in the highest professional manner. So again, just a
great way for people that may be interested in becoming uh a police officer or learning a little bit more about the process. That's uh really cool. Um, unfortunately, I did ask Chief and you you are not allowed to get out of the car, so there will not be any citizen arrests,
but I'm sure some fun could still be had. Um, coming up on September 20th, there's going to be the coffee with a cop. Um, earlier today from 5:30 to 7:30 was the first public open house at the police department. Open houses are my specialty, so I was there to help out
the chief. They're also going to be doing another one October 2nd and October 16th. So before the next two council meetings as well and they will also be doing another one this Saturday, September 20th and the first public info session uh where chief's really going to
give the breakdown of some of the schemes and why they feel they need a need a new police department is going to be September 30th. There also will be one in October, but that is going to be TBD. The traffic committee is meeting October 1st. The complete and green streets
committee is having their first meeting September 24th next week. So I should have an update on both of those at the October 2nd meeting. The fire department's well over 300 calls now doing continuous training and uh when I spoke with Chief Rango, everyone's
excited uh early this spring. We're expecting the apparatus that was ordered a couple years ago. We're we're hoping maybe we get it a little bit early. And as um mentioned earlier, we have the grant application in for the Lucas 3 automatic compression device. Say that
three times fast. And um the court, quick update on the court system. Very self self-sufficient system that we have here. They meet virtual every Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. And in person is usually by request. Judge Carluchi actually did a tour of the police department earlier
and he ended up saying that they usually about once twice a month they end up doing in person. Um, and yeah, and also meeting with Chris Sheay, who is the fire prevention chief in the next couple weeks as as I had mentioned in the past to go over his position. Um, I think that's all for
now. I'll hand it over to the chief who's got a lot going on as well. >> Chief, >> thank you very much. Yes. Uh, in regards to the ride alongs too, if if there's a June house 16 uh age with parents consent, the parents going to ride with the 16-year-old will allow them out in the vehicle as well, but the parents got
to ride in the back where the prisoners ride. So we make we make the decision on that. Yes, it is to help really our recruitment not just in Morris planes but amongst the entire profession. All my colleagues are seeing less applicants for police and law enforcement position. So we're trying to help the future of
the profession um as some of us can retire in a few months. Um in regards to the open houses, yes, October 2nd, October 16th um 5:30 to 7:30. Please stop in. about a dozen people uh this evening take the tour as well as uh this
coming Saturday, September 20th. If you're a weekend individual who can't get here during the evening, uh please stop by September uh Saturday, September 20th, 1:30 to 3:00. I'll be in the building as well doing some additional tours of town hall. As Tyler mentioned, September 30th at Community Center, 7
p.m. we'll be doing a town hall style forum. microphones come up, say your piece. Let us know your questions, your comments, your concerns. Give us your feedback as we look forward to uh to building the future of not just the police department, potentially the fire department and the burrow's mic. Um as
Tyler said, in the final stages of the hiring process now, we'll interview three candidates tomorrow, move those on to council interviews uh probably in late October. Hoping to add our 19th police officer. Um that would add us to a total of 20 police officers with our class three police officer in the
schools um full time. So uh with that any questions, comments, concern? Happy to take >> Thank you, Chief Public Works. >> All right. Thanks. So DPW uh continues their daily garbage at all our parks. Works on our police
vehicles and our town vehicles. Uh they assisted J some trees that had fallen on Harrison. There was a large tree that was in the brook on Brook Drive south. They were able to take care of that. As I said, mother nature somehow was able to plant
seeds in tiny cracks in parking lots and seeds and driveways and they'll grow wherever you and I couldn't do that. But they weed whacked a lot of our town parking lots and some of our our school bar school uh parking lots and they used our street sweeper to the parking lots
nice for the opening of school. Uh they did paint some curbs in center town also we back there. And then it's always a sign that summer's coming to an end when they start winterizing and closing down our town pool which they've been working on that they still cut grass even though
it hasn't rained months except for yesterday. So grass is growing. And then they are set they had set up for the 911 ceremony which had taken place. We appreciate all their work. There was a sinkhole on layer drive.
>> Mr. >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. So, the uh update is on our road projects. They're all complete. Um everything's not 100%. There's some clean up and punch list items, but essentially they're everything's done. were
satisfied with the project. It went well. Um and then the sidewalk construction project on that you mentioned on 53. The the sidewalk on the west side from from Davenport up to Foxwood is is done on the on the east
side from from the recycling center about halfway done up to prospect. >> So we expect that to be done within a few days. And there's again there's a followup restoration and clean up and all those things, but we're happy with that. It's
going well. >> That's all. >> Is there a crosswalk still? >> Yes, there's going to be the crosswalk situation is a little convoluted there, but you have to crosswood, you have to cross 53, then you have to cross the ramp to get back to the sidewalk, but it
it's all there and it works. And >> it's safe. >> It is. It's there. And if it's used properly, it's safe. >> Yeah. >> And and this is a nice connector from from Davenport over to the other side and down to prospect >> down to town. >> Yeah.
>> Thank you, Bill. You're welcome. Public buildings and grounds. Mr. >> Thank you, mayor. What's my job about 50% of my time is in Marsh Plains and I can only say the roads, sidewalks, our parks look beautiful and the job that they did like surgery to pay the
contractors. I'm going to bother Mike. uh we are I think the envy of a lot of times it's just you know I'm so impressed every time I I I see a road job finished clean no no tar on the I'm in construction no tar on the kind of
curbs everything nice and uh put together with the landscaping it's it's really nice and everything's working working well um let me start off with shade tree the mayor stole stole a bit of my thunder some beautiful trees on 53 well needed trees and uh they're
absolutely gorgeous and I can't wait for them to grow bigger and bigger every uh every year. Uh the commission is looking uh for some final approval on some grants they're trying to get in the October meeting. Uh recreation that's some some little bit of sad news. There's some unexpected delay in our
tennis courts. The contract there found certain things. We are working diligently with recreation and uh and my u and my committee to see what we have to do, but right now they are shut down until we find a a solution sadly.
All right. The uh the pool was very successful. Of course, we're now we're we're training it. The camp was a success. Everything the kids have a lot of lot of fun. We're doing a lot of workshops there with the DPW uh and recreation.
The baby pool will need to put a cover on. We you guys know we resurfaced it and the requirement of that special material they put on will require a tarp. So, John ordered that and he's putting that on. So, we're, you know, just going through all the lists. Um,
DBW is uh is on and I tell you, it's a it's amazing how much that that department does for our town. There is no little area that they don't touch. Everyone always goes to them for for help and they are they're really stretching and doing a great job.
Um, we're also meeting uh again we do workshops with the parks to see what we need for the 2026. We have a budget meeting that was in March. So, we're trying to keep them safe, keep them updated, and
um it it's a task, you know, but Jerry Simmons here from the from the rec department. They're doing a great job, you know, keeping our kids happy on all those beautiful new equipment that that we put up. Um, my favorite thing on
buildings and grounds is a farmers market. It's I always find those emails enthusiastic and fun. I just have to share this one. A bushel of books. Uh, this is story time at the market will be on September 27th and live music performance by Jake Roing Camp. Uh,
they've come up wonderful ideas and I just love to see those uh the emails and the uh and and all the suggestions that you guys have. Um lastly, downtown Mar will be a pumpkin elimination on 10:24
at 6 p.m. turned out to be a great uh great turnout. It was fantastic. I hope all get good weather and the kids have a lot of a lot of fun. >> Uh I think that's about it. to tell sanitation and schoolers. Mr.
>> Thank you, mayor. Uh the first event for teen center uh happened recently and 72 kids attended. So, it was a resounding success. There were kids everywhere and they all had a great time. Yeah, it was mild mild weather. So, >> your mic, >> I got this one. >> I got that one right.
>> Keep that. >> Uh and then the registration continues to climb. So, it's uh I'm glad to see the amount of demand. Uh for reference, there were 42 sixth graders last year and now there are 90 this year. So you might need to put an addition on the teen center.
>> Uh the next event will be September 26th. Um and then also thanks to the DPW, they did a lot of work at the house for us over the summer. Um it has a much fresher feel visually and uh smell-wise in the building. So it's uh it's it's much fresher inside. They're enjoying
that. Um and then uh what was on the consent calendar is that we will be hiring a new teen center supervisor to backfill uh Jake's big shoes that he left us. Uh for board of health uh the wellness day is going to be October 11th. Um the wellness screenings are
going to be available. Uh so that's for blood chemistry analysis and cancer screenings. You do need do need to do that uh for by appointment. Uh, and there's also going to be a wellness fair. Have a bunch of vendors from around town. Uh, and then also flu
uh flu vaccines for anyone aged uh 6 months to uh 18 years for uh children, pediatrics, and then everybody 18 and over. Uh just make sure you bring your insurance card. So these will be distributed around town. You'll probably see them online and then also we'll probably try to have that at the farmers
market as well. Uh and lastly, um municip municipal alliance uh stage fund is going on right now with all the uh rehearsals at community center and then the show will be uh November 1st at the community center as well. >> I think that is
ordinances and public utilities. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um so just on the uh on the ordinance uh review side so as I mentioned during the uh conference session um uh I presented to the council today uh some notes on ordinance 14-23
along with uh uh the schedule that goes along with it. Um so uh the council is going to take a look at it provide their their feedback. Um and then uh I'm also meeting with uh planet Morris plants uh to gather their input as well from the
public. Um and then we'll go through the process and uh planning board will we'll take a look at our recommendations. So um just a big thank you to all the residents who've kept me on task uh for doing that. Um it's an important thing that needs to be done. So I appreciate that. Um, as far as uh construction
office update goes, so in August um 2025, the uh fee total fees collected or $8,69. Uh they had 35 permits pulled, uh 12
building, 18 electrical, 13 plumbing, and eight fire. Um let's see. Uh as far as the uh the 329 Speed Well, which is the Acme Rivian um
service center, I think is what it's called. Um there was uh an application submitted for minor site plan. Um but uh it turns out that they actually need to submit a uh major site plan um application. So, uh, that was rejected
and then they're going to submit the the major site plan, uh, for the board to review. Um, on the the planning board update, uh, they we did have our meeting this past Monday. Um, we did discuss the updated, uh, application process. Uh, there were
a lot of notes from, uh, many of the members uh, which we're all going to consolidate, collect, uh, and then the committee, which again is myself, uh, Mr. Ryden, Mr. Vagua, the chair of the planning board, and then Mr. Schultz, uh, chair of the zodia board of adjustment. We're going to review all
those um, and then pull them together and then make a recommendation. Um, the goal there is to simplify the document, uh, which embodies all the necessary items needed between zoning requirements and pling board requirements, um, as well as provide a simpler and online accessible form for the applicable
resident submission. Uh the zoning board of adjustment uh has canceled their September meeting as there are no applications to review and um I don't think there's anything to report on the affordable housing other than the fact that we're we're doing what we're supposed to. Um and we're
just waiting for the the response and that's all I have. >> Thank you, sir. Can I say one thing? >> Uh wellness day is actually on the 18th. I had to correct myself, but everything else I said correct. I really I do encourage everybody to to
just at least stop by and take a look at all the vendors that are that are there even if you don't need shots or anything else because they really have a great uh room full of vendors with ton of information really worthwhile just to walk through there. Um we have no
introduction of ordinances no ordinances on second reading of resolution. Mr. Cortez Resolution amending the regular meeting schedule of the Burough Council of Mars. >> The whole thing or just >> Okay.
>> Is there a second? >> Second by Mr. Ivy. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Cortez. >> Yes. >> Mr. B. >> Yes. >> Mr. Houston. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ivy. >> Yes. >> Mr. Pontier. >> Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. We have no unfinished business. We have vouchers. Miss Bergen. >> Yes. Thank you. I move that the checklist dated September 18th, 2025 in the amount of $886,33824 be approved.
>> Is there a second? >> Second. Sec. Roll call, please. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Broom. >> Yes. >> Mr. Houston. Yes, >> Mr. Ivy. >> Yes, >> Mr. >> Yes, >> we have no need for an executive session
on new business. We do need an adjournment. Is there a motion to >> just I'm sorry, before we do that, just real quick, I just want to circle back to the uh resolution amending the regular meeting schedule. We should indicate on the record too because the resolution does not say it.
The resolution shall take effect immediately. >> Thank you, Mayor. No, just I just want to clear that up. >> Thank you, John. >> Is there a motion? >> Second. >> Second by S. >> All in favor?
>> I have it. Thank everybody for coming out tonight. Yeah.