yeah I that's my my wife's brother went basically theice good later I showed a house and U Edgewater last weekend and the agent said buy was
there right at million to on the water was what came 10 minutes earlier man Al to the flag the United States of America stands na
indiv andice for all mighty God we ask you bless this govern body with an abundance of wisdom and understanding so that in fulfilling their public TR every deliberation will result in that willot and for all people the
council 202 which resolution was adopted by the B Council on January 4 call May cartez Mr Mr houst Mr Ivy
staff meeting shall be used Sol for the purpose of her own business I welcome everybody here tonight annual budget meeting just start off by saying Le the three new
people ask questions um there's a lot to be explained I don't expect any of to really get it at the first time um but the information that we learn
pretty much on everything answ to your questions tonight get those answers for you um I don't want anybody to panic about the budget or if it's over or it's not enough or whatever but just
go through the whole budget and you'll see how it's all going to come together the end you don't want to make drastic changes one another but things will be explained um the two Hand I gave you one
was um bu comparison that these are only expense some of them are GRS so that yeah so there's it's a two-part system kind of say system that we use
but again it all at the end it all comes together question like I said the yesterday she just got some of the stuff yesterday so it's hard to everybody everything a lot of this
stuff is on previous history and aages and all that kind of stuff so I can tell pretty Dam close with estimat a lot of without further
Ado so the first Department that we have is Administrative and executive um in this department the salary and wages are for the council the cl's office and um individual who do the um also on here on training there is
some extra fund there for classes for the person that's going to be in there for register us sorry just the the postage the office supplies advertising and printing that's all what is that cover is that like plan
St and everything throughout the year well this is from the the cour office so the postage and envelope and St EnV that's all thep tax your office supplies are just it's basically without office um
the uh advertising and printing um that's when they go and they have advertising on the news Fe or the council meetings and okay so anytime that you change a meeting or add a meeting um it's an added expense do at
beginning of the daily okay thank you next p Prof MERS Association that's so Office Machines there is a they're going to be replacing the FTR
mixer in this in the council chamber so that's why um that has increased it's about $5,000 to replace that office maches office [Music] maches is that
that oh it's the big mix underneath uses it as well everybody who us board everybody it and the one is it's been broken forast couple years and now we have a microphone that yeah I know my fo
then on here you will also see the website and this website is um our um website the person that um company that that maintains the website she also purchases um some plugins Code Monkey
Constant Contact the company thing is agile that we um there's a separate line there for the newsletter and the convention is for um the mayor and Council convention with the convention is everybody planning on
going if you're a solid no that's fine we could take some out of here you're more than likely a yes any questions on the next department is the treasure and salary and wages it's 70%
salary also the tax collector um Tracy s and in here we also have the Grant riter and um the website um there's an hourly hour that master
master everything else pretty much stay the same as last year so fixed assets Nancy this is Falls you so fixed assets you have to look a company they' gone they gone away we have to work getting another
to just update our fixed assets I'll say it's a requirement done it in a couple of years years three years so there'll be some things taken off of that the first individual was very hard
to find yeah the first don't know I remember you had a recommendation that we reached out to because they had three years me but we have a list right current list which but is that enough yeah
now it's just an update bigger numbers earlier on so on the second page uh payroll and finance that's Ed that utilize for both Tax and Finance computers and servers um and
licenses last year we did have a hit Afra their subscription but we don't that so I did have a question didn't doesn't have something this year you talking to him did he say he
had something or no he looking for something no no no I thought he said he had something coming up to check on that license another license is it do he's looking into no I know they expanding
but I thought we had a license coming up to check there's one Shi license that he's talking to Tracy about I think R $2,000 yeah then under internet subscription is
the optimum Verizon mailed out the computer consultant I cached and the credit card fees are the fees that the court uh imposes when payment credit
cards required to but they're not allow to any questions in other words the bur doesn't doesn't accept the cost for people who decide to use their credit card we have to that cost pass that
c so we make it convenient and and and the court the court has to accept AC tax don't that's so this is only for the cour fees
okay does each office have their own I just going I don't need to go back but just so the office machine so under any right Office Machines audio mixture um I hav brought this up to the council yet but I've been looking at Tech
upgrades for this um but I got a quote um do we need to put that in the budget now or how does that work I think there has to be a discussion made like I know how much we're talking
about talking about this has to get done yes so that was part of it no matter what right so that that's part of of the quote that I got so the quote and bring it up the quote was to was to do um the
audio system um plus to look at doing camera system in here um and then there was some um upgrading the the TV and maybe adding another TV right to make it more um you know Tech friendly so the total
that total for that I got is it's around it's 67,000 for all that and we don't have to do all that obviously at once but that's so I just wanted to know like if we wanted to look
at part of that or some of that you know do we need to adjust line items for that I think that be honest with you I think it's PR do that now discuss and may capital
okay operating okay capital okay yeah I okay I just didn't want to miss an opportunity I'm telling your part of that quote was that piece whatever that it's called
that whatever we buy there that's kind of my point ,000 the mixture included in the 67,000 12000 5,000 okay it's right but the point is that the the 5,000 is included in what I
got but Jason I guess what you're saying your point is that we could potentially do that under Capital which isal okay decision sure how much what increments whatever so let's just keep
that in your and just to be fully transparent the reason why I had brought it up before I literally just got the quote this morning so I hadn't had an opportunity to bring it up to anybody but you know I do plan on Cas said we'll talk about it as and anything certain has to be to do
it hard quotes are U $2,625 anything over that we should be doing of establish th000 yes okay um 175 have to go out for B okay know's going okay
so right so something like this would have to go out for a bit but at least this gives us a starting point okay okay I appreciate you uh yeah right got it okay thank you very much appreciate it and then there goes
that line for advertising we jump that up now too you're already addra any other questions on Treasure no thank you so the next line is finance that's our
audit they hav $600 no 42,000 actually they're coming in when are they coming in well she just called me um or you know they us should come around they don't have early June sometime you'll
know because they'll take over the conference room with paper like piled up and about five young 20y olds be sitting around the table CR cring numbers to come in May when it's like we don't need next line is tax collector and
salary wages in this is 30% of my salar tax Tracy is the the Tracy um everything else pretty much the same um advertising and printing did go down
somewhat prints our own delinquent notices now instead of sing them out have any questions we don't have a lot of we're aaging like 98% 99 ex when I was 98 something I'm
like it's like people pay tax onard of you know you said now have 99 I welcome that news why our budget is so good they're just anxious to come in anday for
everything they did here they're very happy so that's the tax assessor salary and then um under um I put this under so um Microsystems which is their vendor or
their assessor packages the longest time it's a county the assessor is a county assessor so Micro Systems were being picked up by the the county um except for um any printing that we have you know charges for tax printing chares
charges for Del that I do in the house um this year they're charging us of our data and that's what incases put under binders I put it under I'm going
to change that because we don't have bers stor good and then just just who I understand the tax appeals that looks like it's a budget line on that we've held for a couple years just for you
just explain that a little so years years ago U when the stock when the prices of homes y there was a lot of appeals going on okay and what happened is municipalities that didn't you know wen't equipped to
handle the ma Fields were actually going out for bonds okay on that money back to pay back to to the individuals okay so this is we have a strategy moving forward you know every year we have tax our
attorneys tax attorne okay so some of these appeals you pay right drop mostly commercial you may have to so you need this in here for the end
of the year actually may never to have it in there but we do try to negotiate with them to drag out two four five years you know lowering their assessment okay so we don't have to pay it
out what was a recent example hone honey left they were going to move their Headquarters South right so the building was we had it assessed at 80 million okay was purchased at 40 million
cut and hat yeah and we made an 11 year five year five year agreement with them 10 or 11 million so we would have to write a huge check4
million the plus side to that is that the municipality would be the whole cost by producing the assessment part of it is Count part us so we've been very lucky yeah for a very long time doing it that way there are
some that okay so the the 80,000 that we F every year except for 2022 that that's just that's what's suggested to us to hold okay though we Haven three or four years you won't know
until probably November okay okay and then funds just get R over lock right not the next year it's a twoe bug so anything are we in the second year or
the first year this is the first year you're 2023 thank you expain problem and then the other line here the Professional Services that's Tom Ander questions on
assessor next one is legal services so you'll see that u i did increase Legal Services um did have to transfer money in there at the end of the year um I the Council for approval
um so they were short you that's why we raised it to the current amount so why is it categorizing misell it's any miscellaneous that's not our so that could be purchase of property it could be a lot of okay so to
come up miscellanous legal fees miscellanous legal fees got it okay no right right I just okay that makes sense thank you and that was transferred in last year because of affordable hous we did we purchased two properties
whatever else um affordable housing that's um going up a little bit we more this year and I actually I think that this is going to be light
last year and we really wer in the of think and specifically you're talking about all the stuff that Liz is doing or this is this is legal but so John does John does some but
mostly you see the number used last and I'm not sure whether this is all you know this was all add the that's a huge number that the taxers are paying just
to state right this is only part right so I mean every meeting every do that that meeting we had on Monday cost you over $1,000 how many just just compared to last year it was
41,000 um this time last year you know like if we met with him I four times already how many more how many times last I don't have but it's phone calls emails letters that he that everything that you guys get that he sends out to
the office they charge you um so okay we made request to lower number of unit that we have to provide yeah that's another it's a fight for it it's a necessary evil I do think it's by that's
my op to the na because they want to show 500 umit that later [Music] question that's you just answer the question that's
John's when he's fishing in Vermont um the next Department that we have is engineering um I that the same this iserson okay sorry andon you got you
got but this is because I I believe the planning board and The Zing board there's also engineering Fe as well this is this is for the just for the bur Ro okay any whatever
improvements this is our but they also have an esro account that depend on that we don't care develop you might see like a lot more money than than 40,000 in reality somebody else is picking out no yeah I
understand that works I sound that just cut me off you're good I appreciate you explaining thank you any questions on engineering elections so on there um I put
7500 so elections actually so if you look at the budget she election falls under um administrative executive and so you won't see a separate line for elections separated so that we know what the actual cost is for the
elections so just hold on a second I just want to explain also I forgot to bring miscellaneous y that was our labor Journey last year as well for elections do we get reimbursed from the county for these expenses
orate that's what they they charge us they charge yeah okay so this is how many ballots they're printing for us and they're charging us for the ballot printing cost for number next Department
isid I'm sorry just just so understand what does that mean I know it's been zero but what is that why was that there why is it there it's um if we have to incur legal costs to liquidate a property that we
have okay yeah yeah so we've had n in the last the only that's it we don't talk about that yeah people pay
theirs very very very lucky good that's like knocking those are got so if it goes up Bill you see that long line of zeros if it goes up there's something in there next year it's on you
all right in trouble he's in trouble hopefully um so this budget is basic basically from the um the the planning board they give me their budget um they kind of say this
line goes up a little this down depending on what the charges are going to be um so in the miscellaneous line is the master plan um in the Consulting and planning that's um is that
be that's under oh that's also in there 30,000 that's the uh and then the attorney is yeah and then so make sure I have this does it you
have a convention line item in there 1200 yeah so I I talked to Mike aaga about it um and he was um he he wanted to see if we could increase that a bit because he was going to open up uh
the option for other members to get a conf before I up only for I go on okay unless are cheap
depend okay I don't that issue okay um yeah and I mean if if it ended up you know that more people that wanted to go then we had budget for okay okay all
right any questions on and then sorry Master that's the master plan review that's the master for okay that come into play gue what the courts do they wash their hands and when you have like two people
that are fighting okay now both you PID for Ma I'm actually and we got to pay that too so s we had he's the overseer yeah if you look at previous budgets not so much now because we've been out of it but at the
thousand tens of thousands SP previous master that was a long period of time paid that yeah I don't know this is end sorry the attorney one that I raised 10,000
you understand why that's raised now so yes y y that makes sense sorry Annie you said that the master plan review that's under miscellaneous yes okay
7500 any other questions on the board the next one is zoning I like I got some zoning that's a pretty much zoning official's salary and U he must borrow pens from
somebody that never goes up so I'm just the Z so this is zoning is it is this different than Board of adjustment yes this is got it understood okay by the way Don
has a birthday he did yeah I wish himy birthday yeah okay thank you I didn't understand this was so um Board of adjustment again um the budget that I got back change on the Professional Services is
oh yeah y okay on the board of adjustment inspect a [Music] building wages fulltime inspector
um I'm sorry the parttime inspectors then you have the the two tacos that are there and um the department head also said that he want to put money in there for
fulltime also there is $8,000 for outside we'll talk about thisd back now um all our big building done had that office R
people's not a lot coming up all go people office so there something I brought up in the executive session regarding
Personnel that you're she's saying that he put that in there for including a third full-time person it I think what have a third it's not going to end up being yeah but
I don't want there to be yeah but I don't want there to be in impression like oh people so so we we need to break out those salaries so we can look at that right this is yeah this is pretty heavy with Sal
well it's but it's less than the last four years we've had a lot going on the last four years outside we have extra inspections after hours inspection things so another thing I want to say is I know that software is
an expense but this is the first time we're going to have like an updated software over there and it can help streamline some of the work that they're doing over there so and there's more it can do that they're not doing yet like they're only starting the process they're not taking full advantage of
what it can do so I think ultimately it can help bridge some of that third person they're asking for they going to see that it's more efficient if they're using it to its full capacity and there's a learning curve involved in that right they have to they have to go through all that but we hired I don't
for you that don't know the third person in that office is temporary persons anticipated that back when put in that office down and and I think saying I think ultimately it's going to end up being two people
um so but I don't want to I don't want to budget for three fulltime yeah I mean it's it's but again Sal bre I don't know have this this number I mean Sal person
I have no I can make copies for everybody what is it h what is it so the one um the taco is 82,000 the second Taco that's currently
there is 50,000 two full time indiv um the construction official uh is 41,000 part time the building um first Taco second taco
3,649 and is that full time yes at the current hour if we anticipate what's going to how that that individual is currently working time for I'm Number
One faval One Tac [Music] title is technical assist so that happens right but then that that you can use that that highest salary the person
time maybe we have to post the job yeah right I don't know need that ready for don't know but we don't have to raise taxes last year was lower
tax we're only halfway through here insurance so so you're suggesting what that would you say 36,000 so looking at her if she's doing currently 15 hours week instead a difference of 21,000 so $221,000 is well
is what we're talking about but we also have included outside inspect here which we may not need anymore so there's other things that we reduce right for example office supplies going from 215 to 10 cut that by 115,000 right so you talked about was
the difference 21 right so we could what I'm saying is let's your market right and then if you know when we get to the end to your point if we need to remove stuff from somewhere that that's an option but I don't think we should just do that right
away without the full picture well happens you don't need that salary I think what the process is right now is just trying to identify things I go time but explain to me identified budget lines here where we know we don't
need what's being asked for so that's what we pinpointing this as something that we don't believe we're going to need that right so rather than cutting it later this is one area where we know we're over budgeted just this is this this is this is a
problem everywhere okay you see you see the red right the sheet well we hav't really we just got this to be fair no I know but haven't looked at it I haven't even turned the
page on it so just you but yeah to go [Music] back the reason this department was never 300,000 know it was first year all the construction work we had outside
inspectors that were since our inspectors are a lot of municipalities have so that's why we needed we needed more salar I'm just saying like it's actually since 2021 what what we're holding now it's actually lower than it's ever been
in the last four years the receipts are going to be lower too there's nothing coming through time anything goes through I just all I'm saying is I'm fine at your Market I just want to you know come back
to I think this is one of the don't have to come back I appreciate your opinion I just I think we should just doing it for a while I and I appreciate your opinion Jason I I haven't been doing this so I I like to see the whole process and and I
might say at the end fat take it offly are AG Ona uh to your mark yeah I think that's what an said right that's the difference taking You'
other potentially I'm keeping the original salary the high salary individual I me yeah so we're still okay we have well if we reduce the 21 third
person two full one who was supposed to be temporary who's going to be post temporary there' be two people then um the next line office
supplies um that went down uh to 10,000 um we had budgeted in the prior years for cabinets that they they have uh training for conference so um
what's not in here so Bill after I put the budget together um I guess I'm not sure if he spoke to you um about um one of the inspectors there he used to be a Le certified inspector so um
there was a force that he said that I was going to ask the council if there would be approved for this individual to take the course on my inspection CU our options were to have an outside company inpections that are required you know we said that there was
another company too that we suggested that if a lot of guys are using and they do everything the cost for this course for our individual to take the course $750 course is starting the end of
March it's a 5 day course you become an inspector not contractor no so so we have to um there's there's properties it's what I brought up in an earlier counsil right
any any any rental property that was um painted before I was 1974 constructed constructed before 1974 has to be tested for right um and there's a whole thing about how often it needs to be tested until they unless they get a certificate
clear right um but there's an inspection part of it that needs to happen right so the options for that are either as an was saying we can because none of the guys over there none of the people over there are currently uh certified to be lead inspectors one of them used to be but he
let it last right so we could either um this is the the fee for that somebody over there to get certified or there's other companies that can come in to do that inspection so so just go up the top of
my head I think we I don't know how that person would be comp inspection whatever that cost is and whatever else has to be good but if we just do an outside company we just put administrative Fe on there and have
the outside compan but we wouldn't have the admin the $220 that we have to collect for yeah but just whatever we would want to put in there as an administrative rightside because there is um we don't
we wouldn't have to pay the outside they would build the homeowner direct yep and but to your point Jason in addition to 20 $20 you might want to charge because there there's a registry that has to you know you have to go in and you have to say his property been
we won't have toost stien right or getting the money from from the people and sending it to the state right right if you you hire outside don't they do all the and administrative work for you they do they
do most them but but it's not all well they don't do no the the the $20 fee the municipality is required to collect that so we have to track that yes
everything else the letters that have to go out to the homeowners that's pay and then we don't have to have a staff member issuing these letters every three years and tracking responded but we should track it somehow internally they they
notifi she because they have to get reinspected every 3 years or changes right so it's not one time deal get a do right but would we not not want to track
it we would have we would have we would have an accoun done not I guess the two options are what a lot of done is they have a website and on the website it says that
we Ved professional to do inspection this is our Ved professional um you can go to a link on the on that web page to a state where the state has Ved other profession and nothing says that they
required to go to our professionals they can hire an outside company as long as they us a certification that it wased um Morris exps it's fortunate that we don't have to take a sample and send it out to a lab um currently it's only a
visual inspection so the inspector would go in see if there's any paint cracks or chipping something that child could put in their mou and that's all the requirement that that's needed for more expains currently and just another thing that I
have a hard time with is this is yeah I don't I don't disagree that um using an outside company is an option we should I don't I think that's a good a good option to consider so um
and are you saying that that 750 is included in this or it's not it was after the B no it was after not okay so I guess he was asking too because he was going to say do I send this guy to and I said we need you
guys to to approve whether you send them to the classes or not right and I I think my feeling on it is that the kind of a it's a not a one time thing but to your point Jason like you know if we if
we could hire somebody or have somebody come in from outside that would from F stuff out of there you don't have to it's be done 60 properties yeah time years
C okay next line is in there I think the last time they C 20223 add there a lot no how many miles put on the a year
2500 computers and services and licenses go of year um he benefits is for full time individuals same for pension that's an
estim what the employer cost B is explanatory uh facility improvements um in here I have um the scanning so what they want to do
is they want to hire ANS side company to uh scan and digitize all the documents in that office a lot of municipalities are doing that that way you have one database that you can easily look at things
um they do it over certain you know you could do it over time I think the county had done that too with recording their deeds online um they started with the most and they went back history right so this is I've had a couple conversations with them um this
would be just basically the third or maybe a little less than half of the fee to to do to digitize the plans and the documents that are over there that is a requirement by the state to to have them
digitized so um so it's a start yes it's a start so much fin I I like this then the next upep with that would be being that it's 30,000 obviously got for some kind of
or something so already have yeah so sdl uh does it but my understanding is that that they do it for their software if these other
companies will do it and give it to us in whatever format we we want right so in other words if we for whatever reason something happens and we need to go somewhere else right we would have our doing it this way we'd have our data in a usable format that's transferable to
any of the other systems so and I don't think the cost difference between this andl is that much different so it's not so that would convert our data but keep the rights to sounds like good yeah I I don't want to get too too far down
that road because you can get into little but that that's my understanding and speaking to some other I think we' be on their servers and then we would we would have to pay to transfer it somewhere else at some point if we want to move it but that's we have when I
talk to them do that any where does this getor so and is it secure yes so so they they basically what happens is they they end up making three copies of the dat lives in the server so that they can
pull it down our our server right so so we can we can access it um another copy is what's called cold store so they give us a drive right and then we can store in the safe or whatever some secure place and then if we want they have a third Cold Storage that they keep in
their own safe in case something happens with others right so so do we have enough storage for all this so yeah there's other yeah there's right and and that's it's part
of the conversation I think this is just to start digitizing scanning it to get it into that format it's going to be you know I don't know three six n months before we actually get the data and have to put it somewhere to be able to pull back down so we
have I guess we did capital in this last year fors I it one of those updates was it included last year um so then the next line here would be I
added a line sofware that's the package y that was the quote we got one time hit yes one time but it's G to go down we're going to have an expense
year, I think it's again maybe it'll help us it's cheaper than Insurance days want to mention that we remove for new cars came out yes so yeah um put that we
had that for an electric car we put it in there for the last two years thatle is a an emergency police it car we could get a car that's 55,000 that wasn't I see I not
in but it wasn't 24 this year everybody was complaining about that I believe believe that we can't get the police vehicles we got one we got one to win good any other questions on
building next one is Police Department so um the police department did did apply for the driving cown um I'm not sure what that Grant is yet they just submitted it today so um again
that's where uh it would go under distracted driving for salary and wages but there's an offsetting Revenue so it just kind of washes itself up uh in salary and wages you'll see the backup included has
uh included the Union Officers the chief the secretary down there the dispatch M The Substitute cing guards um also in there is the special police officers um and then I've just put in
for new officer which we did hire right now um and then the [Music] um on overtime I a little bit again there I'll let you guys know at the next
meeting if I find out what the destructive driving that in there um we did have some you know we have left DPF so I will check with the Poli dep
put expenses page again these are the the chief's numbers that I have in here um under Office Machines then you Prov bu back up as well um the two main
I guess increases in their office machines is this program called Civ plus so um that's 5,183 and it's
U it's for social media backup so which is required right if you're using comments if you're using comments correct so um the the charge of 5,000 I 35,000
3500 messages or comments which they to two accounts Instagram and Facebook so my understanding is with this program you can add other accounts to it so I believe we have account that allows comments Facebook page and they not ours
not ours only again prac that saying hey you know we got to look at this as well or um op request we need the back up information so why is it not ours it's
our pool it's our why is that not our it's not municip someone set it up and called it that maybe employee I don't know I think I don't know if that would hold up court if if they would say it's using marsol
address on it it's [Music] our anybody can set a Facebook so I looked into this when I was when I became a public official about having my own page if I had a public official page an council person I
would have to Archive my comments because they would be vable so I would not be allowed to delete any comments and Etc so and what I was told was if if it looks like an official page and acts like an official page it's an official page and it will be treated as such so
my concern here is that there could be an open request for something that happens on one of those pages and we don't have the backup and I think that if like mayor you have an official page I believe this $5,000 Jason Carris mayor because it's
not an official page I know but that's the same thing as me having Nancy counil it's an official page because I'm using it for official business so it will be treated legally like an official page so my suggestion is that we get all of our accounts under
this Civic plus $ 5,183 account so that we're protected I think we should check with John we did check with John came out with best practices all the accounts that we had Facebook accounts
the called me this morning to talk about it like he was saying covers 12 social Med saying we don't need it right I think Chief's main concern was uh we take it down it shows a lack of transparency on the police department's front that's a major concern for him and
as the public safety chair I also don't want to lose transparency so I to the Chief and iail address have com and we don't have to
coms whatever you have a tip there's no lack of transparency having your comments I think because they're there now if you take them down make it looks questionable I think this point is he want the police department to be
accessible and like shutting off the comments you're saying the message that you know we're we're separate we're not accessible it's another way of of having Community Police by being available in a place where people are people don't see the police but they see them on Facebook
so that's how if you look at the if you look at them town that have social media offure I'm I'm surprised because I was told and I I went to a lead conference on this social media thing and they said if your page acts like an official page then you have to Archive your comments you have
to make sure that they're available if they're open you have to make sure the algorithm doesn't take away comments from the page which it will do if it gets you know could just the algorithms will it for you um so I'm surprised that you don't have to worry about that for
these others there's one I think what the morain pool morain pool so someone creates a Facebook creat say Mor playing pool takes pictures of the pool FS them on there do we have a right to take that
from them and put it on Civic plus and make make it over when it's not we we never created it the council never approved the page being created like if you guys approved it and wanted comments I understand that but if someone just
did it on their own is that something that well we shouldn't allow it if we don't control it right it shouldn't be allowed the impr that but that doesn't mean that it does not mean that it's still
not just because there's a impression no it does it's the I'm not an attorney I don't po open up the pool I saw comments said yeah that was
saying somebody opened it up and then that was thing year ago we have employees creating Facebook pages I just Le wanted to bring chief gr's concerns to the table because he that's the only he really pushed with me so it's
definitely something I'd like to be considered well but as it relates to the budget right right it's that's an that's what you're saying it's covered it's in that number yeah yeah well that's I was just saying so know debating it or not that's
I'm just validating to 29 yeah okay good I'm just saying is one of themad another one right I think I think as far as budget's concerned were talking about prob yeah okay good I just I thought maybe we were talking about taking it out I think it it went that
way okay just telling you what's in of course that's what I just said that was and we brought it up like when I saw best practices I went online and I looked at anything with morain and I
said oh you know I brought it okay we have there's like 12 accounts that might have that that you know and we looked at them and they said official page then I looked to see if there was comments and
the only one that I saw that came up was the police department anybody reach out to concern she she has we looked into it with whoever was I don't know my do the
aren't they involved in an audit that that pinpointed this as an area to correct the DCA DCA this wasac prac best prac who does that state it's the state yeah and there wasn't a point to
take off those just you know recommendation some stuff that they recommend doesn't again you know with office Mach our sign up app I guess it's me off ma under equipment new replacement um
there's a bistic shield and again he has backup that as well um uniforms um did um we added an extra
body replacement so he's requesting 11,700 um so what we have left over in Grant is 6,400 pick up the difference of 5,00 we may get another Grant in the
middle of the year and so I put it reduce Our obligation um vehicle maintenance so on here he has um extended warranties so he did request this last year and when you guys talked about it
last year you chose not to do it at that time um he's requesting it again how much is it we do that if a motor goes and replace a motor transmission goes and replace a transmission
cars every year what's your bense he says it's going up from 25 to 35 ands for the purchase of Warrant Warr so last year low because everything was under warranty no at the time
[Music] we DPW but he said that anything we s in that line I don't know how Tracy uh breaks it
down that must be what we paid foric to go out probably pretty close so if you look at that and say okay if that was a bad year is is that worse than spending another no it's 10 probably
$10,000 what's we're talking about a Ford for 12 12 probably 12,000 you got three or 4,000 wor about H H I don't know and even getting rid of them I heard is is expensive you you don't well
we haven't had any of that stuff I mean it is expensive but I would have to see what the actual like what what they ran into last year what is the cost of the I'm assuming it's 10 because he said
that last year was 25 how many two years you bu years you buy a new car nothing's G well been in the sh just because the say I know it only takes one but you haven't
had and here we go again Bill we're talking about something we shouldn't be talking about I didn't talking about we shouldn't be talking about extended warres yes or no cuz you know what's going to happen tomorrow you he went on the book those are the two
things I do I just we skipped over it sorry we are we done don't vehicle maintenance so just just a question on dispatch Services I know that's was there any talk with the chief about um the equipment that's down there
I think it's so you know moving up the hill or anything like that use the dispatch so what's what's the dispatch Services it's yeah say Source it out that's ourly contract got it okay they
used to use the dispatch room down here but it's just become kind of opposite so they work with the yeah yeah I did I got a tour like over a year ago when I did it but I just I couldn't remember if he said they were
moving like three in equ about the same okay we've been up there since so that's just like you said it's just the Fe that we and when see pass questions on
uh I think that's just extra is that [Music] correct do we have to do architectural drawings next step for that then I don't know where you are with that for the $5,000 so there's the conceptual for 5,000 what happens when you go to the
architectural that's what he's requesting in capital for 200 okay so this 5,000 is for the the plan that we asked for the final plan the the second design for dis building the 200 would go
in capital and that would be when we decide more or less like thews light switches elect we're not there yet right so it's not a part of this Capital uh you need a find year use for life I wonder about that right so we
do have um in capital you have plan to be able to do preliminary plan expenses right that would be a resolution preliminary expenses anything else for Police Department
contr one car it'll be the wrong car yeah right transferable we talk about it 10 no we want to pay it or not do we want to put the exended on on
the one car I mean has be a catastrophic absolutely now two years new engine transmission EXP well your opinion my feeling is the chief asked for it for a reason
but as public safy I I'm brand new transmission just go by transmission six grand right how much how much more the Hy warrant anything else for Police
Department emergency management so is requesting an increase for equipment um I put down the backup for it so it says that
[Music] um uh 2375 is the estimated cost for each traffic signal control box which an electric to install uh $1,99 is each
generator so with both considerations he's asking for increase of 4 for this line so with that being said we had the storm I what storm it
was light at Five Corners was up for I think 18 hours we had cops over there between us and mor Township covering that directing traffic whatever so after that storm I reached out to our Senators and congressmen and assemblyman and we
got a hookup over there funded by the so this is the route that Mike wants to take in here I don't understand why we can't reach out the it took a year a year and a half they put a generator oper there's a
box control box out there that have to forit a year whatever it was so we haven't asked I mean just when you talked
about off he say American Roar American think I can check with he worked on that too with me also on the equipment
um last year and the year before we budgeted for uh safety desks and other purch so I know he does want to do the uh get that going this year I'm in
favor' been talking about it for years and years and years just so that line 7,000 that done with management any questions next fire department on the parade I guess it was
two not they budgeted for two parades last year but they're only doing one the other thing note would be under software this is for computer Square um $4,000 a year
and it's this another thing that the county used to do and now they don't new that's the new recoring system okay but it's required yes well the count
used to makes it easier I don't know well Che I mean something tablets on the engines like we respond respond we get there personel all all paper and we
enter computer these are all the numbers any questions Fire Department NI questions I would break down of every line but I next is Under Fire Prevention
it's official salary and I also budgeted for outside inspectors I only budgeted 14,000 for the outside inspectors so each one of these has gone yeah what's the so under public
relations he's asking for an outdoor tent theing book yeah but also I think what's that thing the police national oh yeah I think they they wanted to have a tent outside stuff like that that they need like more items available
than in the past so he's saying like they need tent it's so what's the miscellaneous Inc um that's vehicle maintenance and repairs oh that's miscellanous so on the second page software so you
currently have Miz technology he is asking for and I guess he did ask last year as well for second software uh for pre-planning of commercial buildings um it's called
flow the software I'm not sure I'm sorry interior software I don't know I don't know the fire remember they had that all
out we that's for the the the second the pre-planning system um I mean he basically just said that like the the the fees are going up on the first system so like he I think he was basically saying like yeah like
the commercial is like different than residential obviously we have you yeah but we had they had commercial the buildings were already plotted right so we're not added it's like a second software
package he he wants to he's requesting ESS so we need that and he's saying we do I don't have the answer every year to current so for yeah because you said
like like it creates an information photo database that will be live on all the fire apparatuses and provide important safety information when responding to fire an emergency calls the yearly fee is $2500 per year
so yes it be I wonder if we elate I'm I don't want to piggy back on something already AG you want better get rid of the other right correct I'll see what he says if there's a way
to the first ones become more I'm sure the county must have it in a truck too right everything talking that's descri so um it includes software as a service includes the web based platform
creating and viewing pre plans also works on T books mobile app for creating and viewing pre incident response um unlimited access to authorized users for preing platform and mobile app um is equipped with dispatch
notification mapping and routing to each incident location so we have I've got one so please we' DRS honey just
turn yeah [Music] uses but I don't think it goes to the level that that this does so I mean I can look into that but I don't I don't sounds from what I understand sdl is
records management data management it's got nothing to do with 3D imaging and like a yeah they were down with the leag they I spoke with down there and they just I mean what they offer is incredible you just got to keep asking questions
I always a lot ofu but I was surprised on how much that anyway just figure that out any other questions on fire prevention no okay the next one is public
works there you have the backup sheets for uh DPW salar for our superintendent or our assistant superintendent um time help that we utilize mostly in the summer time P outs and then some of it is split
or saling with sewers and STM water did we ever use this much and brush St come out there was I think that that number is what in line
okay every year for the last three or four years it seems to year Point seems to be lower than was Lo we're taking it out somewhere else lower if you look at storm
yeah under storm water undera and brush pickup SP was 46 35 so um she doesn't system anymore each department responsible for putting their
own and and they only have access to their own budget I will speak topw and make sure that they those so okay you get that it's get it just the total of two those two
budgets doesn't add up right doesn't add up to we change name [Music] of 45 a little bit there you go we'll talk about that bill talk about you're going to need you're going
to need one this is like the most little boring I used to do this all the time P yeah used but this there was a lck charge to right what I'm saying is know you're
that line was like 35,000 they Char they charged 43,000 the difference between the two doesn't make up a difference in the budget that's that's what I'm saying is we can lower that number again I will speak to the superintendent about coding them properly the these
three departments following the superintendent so they have ppw and they have storm if you look at the ppw line and storm the total is 83 we spent 69 so
it is over slightly you know as far as what we estimated yep that's that's my point soti 14,000 right potential to lower one of those but you know we can just Market just like we did the other show you need
to come back to the again I I think it's a surprising amount of supplies 2000 I don't know they spent 2100 last yeah I know the question John and Kevin me
andn yes so very JS so after shut down all the fountain and buildings so he said uh what they drank so far he thinks they'll spend about $700 a year and they summer
on but it's good they drink drink water so they found one for like 1600 bucks that they can install so they're looking for a water cooler which would fill uh like most guys have these at work they fill them
up so they go around but that would accommodate the touch years beend more Bott water I think it was in buildings around it's one of things didn't get spent just on that topic I came up something and she oh there a
water off whether we do one a year this one here building we the pl remember when we did that the plumber was I do all four buildings no but it was $3,000 a unit right unit we should
have was they upstairs I have some water should be bottle water they yeah I'm just saying we're paying for I think we have yeah but okay so okay with that um
this might be build too but they lockers over there for the guys many of them are broken and there's not enough for the summer help when they come they just hang their stuff in a bag so they got a quote for about $5,000 on the highend 4,000 low that 21 lockers
which accomodate to so that he didn't talk to anybody about and then the third thing they said they ask for it every year uh you understand it's quite expensive it's the flusher truck our flusher truck talk about
yeah yeah I just want to bring it up that's half a million doll between 700,000 we have a [Music] smaller the county has one morr has one Township has one shared
services if we get it on like a threeyear plan said or foure plan uh cuz we're going to need it especially with the storm Water Act regulations yeah he say put $1,000 into it a couple years
ago for the pump she's old but good just I ask bringing lockers and the water fountain ground there was a lot of projects that didn't get that
line get okay that's all I have extra for just question ice control that's the salt yes I don't know I don't I'm just have to go out 140 t per
STS time and we haven't B it in a couple years now so I don't tell you water going to be99 [Music] 599 storm
water sewers oh I'm sorry sewers so we get our seers toship us amount for maintaining so this budget pretty much
equals that what the the salaries we have separate sewer people no split up DPW okay see the bottom of the gotta got it got it it okay
is that the same with the health benefits then it gets split up percent engineering is that Anderson CER because he's certified for the wasn't okay gotta gotcha
okay got it got it L [Music] is thank went down a little 4000 they don't need as much [Music] gas I have to speak to
the they they to blend their three Department sometimes you don't know which tracks you're getting gas and again I mean it doesn't really mean too too much because it one time but it's it's just it's like crazy over the last four
years the [Music] L Fleet management software right so they can tell which car is getting gas and then can track the the usage of the vehicle over time so can
compare when they do get gas up at some of your snow budget goes through there question so the Tipping feys went up from 11125 11125 $25
F part of that is outside inside you can do very well with that because um tell about the economy that little right there better the economy more Gage uh garbage and trash we went out for bids last year on this
for contract and that's G twice and recycling once this also is the Thursday do a great job on th I'm that sanitation that's just
me nope next one is sanitation sewers so this is fromis so they they charge us yes so the engineer uh does a report every year all residences gets the
information far as single family homes two family homes [Music] that's what we charge they do the they do the treatment they have the facility they maintain that facility and then they
Char so this is for water treatment and and Handover charging this for water treatment as well there eight properties St would you say go full go it's really
deep trouble so with SE more SE going to be reducing that line by I would like to reduce it by 31,000 we do collect this speed from um our affordable housing um
they collect rents and then they do pay a portion of their their portion of the SE get hit tce no they're reimbursing they're reimbursing okay it's they collect r that those R will
offet insurance can you explain this usually it's not in here just because so they understand see oh well so the prior years I never did it as an offset to the actual sewer but being
that it is you know money coming in from them offsetting the total sewer Char that's why it's here in the P it was either under miscellaneous Rue or um and sometimes uh I I do like to be a little bit conservative with it because
take a while for them to actually P if it doesn't with year then but this amount this we so42 so more that's going to be going
down to 1 I'm sorry 574 uh 243 31 3100 that's 1,574 and she'll give you a new sheet too everything that we discuss have Chang you have sheet
yeah Bill I just got that two days ago so I estimated 32 it's actually 31 very close rules without going over she went over well but
that's I didn't want to be short so she wins there you go questions on sanation seers the next one is recycling okay so this I get from uh M
that's salary is there coordinator that's the salary favor is I I do want to change I had a regarding the that they received was 1,879 so then we have a year and a half to utilize that gr so I would change the
16,000 to 17879 again this is outside um so we have revenues directly off setting so won't raise the the budget by the $1,000 because we actually have that sitting in
res yeah but he can spend he's not spending like the former he's not do the blue upgrade to the blue ones that actually more they won't blow away either yeah who's
piing the page [Music] contract which ends this year so we're paying that much every year there's nothing coming in for that or do we get the cardboard rever
computer the newspaper this is C under under facility maintenance um we have scrap metal we used to have books yeah books are gone we had scrap metal we used to get paid for computers got P for
that we used to get paid for computers we don't we user newspaper we probably don't this is why we went to this contract with the county because we pay to get and then we had a trust fund that we ran through and we couldn't budget every
year because we had no idea what it was this way with the cont County no matter what it is it flates up down know we can budget for every year and Mone guarante the other
way what what were the increases 14,000 you remember for the extra for the recycl theost cost oh yeah no and then uh they rolled it in right Morris County r their um
collection Fe but yeah it was it was it was going up it started 6,000 145,000 you couldn't give it away you couldn't so we have a new contract this year for this we have to I gave Mike
contract I know that there's a lot of that's why I to ear I know lot get I don't know many this our only option we don't have other places we can send this right there probably are maybe there are but I
don't okay just at yeah best this is County different any questions recycl we can make one all the re DPW
facil that in the fac [Music] Larry gotcha then the Christmas lights these are the go this is just Christmas lighting I
don't think in here but that's the snowflakes that go up every year no that's different that's electric the snowflakes here that's electric this is charged electric okay um this is for lights extra lights we we
didn't budget for additional no okay I get it sorry no no no I just that's what I was asking the Christmas I understand what you're saying matter it's the Christmas goes up trans got got
[Music] installing them hanging them but not not the cost of the electricity you got oh I found him he was in spot he was up he was actually
that's a rumor got out that you found found him my son was walking down there but that's where he was I had to get hints I know I this is the best one ever around like an idiot just beautification she said you mentioned to
her that you wanted to so last year she was supposed to plant over well were in the wild mentioned underneath I think those are invasive no those are yeah it's over there where the the
wild flowers by the power L2 inrease her by no because it's coming out of I told no no it's a th 00 800 900 bushes I just increase your budget if
you're spend that much money on bushes IAL to what did I tell you you remember 500 oh for the wildf flowers over there yeah you told Tracy yeah what was that don't remember I think I think that was
it was under yeah it was those were plugs already they weren't seeds they're already sprouting lot flers they'll take better animals eat the seed she said this I thought she said Bush she said bush bush
so okay that's fine so she was good at the same budget last year unless you had to add these expensive burning bushes that are amazing species Wild Flower thing I told them we'd take care of right okay one of the things they didn't get done last year
correct yeah the soil is terrible she said they get I just fig i' bring up she's good with the 3600 yeah CU she asked because then I won't increase the budget I said yeah take she was
call I tried to buff her I I called her and text her the way down she certainly knows my number um so this line came to my attention that so so we talking about doing some kind
ofation we don't have that in this budget right now which one you no consult I a build probably build yeah build to have a
consultant figure out what we're going to do Sil oh I want one no we take it out of buildings and grounds M Park maintenance yeah it's going to be somewhere there but for concept plans or something ideas
whatever because I can't let yeah exactly I think that's what we have it listed as so add so are we saying we' add to that budget though I don't know how much I don't know how much it's going to be
um what [Music] line I mean I think that that would probably beate lines to take it out of it's that also what are they do
now yeah but I think our yeah IDE we get a ask Nancy she used to do that for a living who Nancy she was a
designer okay I'm good I'm good no we need a the with three SES put the Dozer concrete yeah the concrete can't get the bound that's St sides but
there's a thanks for the help what are you saying there's water going in there we have to count for the water to go out that's all should be I think that'll be um the other line I'm looking U that
possibly change so I new Electric's going up um we do go out and bid our electric rate um that's a two-year contract um this one uh expires in June so we will have to go out to Reid our electric
break I did increase it by 10% but maybe 20% so thinking instead of that 105 that's for line 247 just a question the telephone what's
that couple [Music] ITP Verizon and that's actually we went out again is that Granite Gran so we got a
third party this is [Music] actually and then uh just I noticed a something that was added was a spotted Lantern so we have a grant U that we got last year I didn't introduce it in last year or I didn't do a chapter 159 last
year's budget we didn't have anything in place yet but we do have $20,000 that we utilize through 2026 so we have these funds already okay didn't we do something last year or not not physically but we're going to be
getting reimbursed Reb last I did speak to John and he's people that were capable of spraying the product okay green Tre of course one and the other two one they couldn't so um it
wasn't to kill the tree of Heaven it was To Kill The larva and the insect issue with the lasts we didn't have is approved vender if you look on the State website so they are
approved for Spott Lantern but we didn't do it Spott lann right because the following your shade tree had to take down the tree of Heavens over that's the host tree that they like to
digest supposed to the so the point is that we applied for we got the gr now we want to do the fall already born in this cover supplies of material
whatever and man to spray it okay so there then and there's the I think it's show stag so depending on when you hit it in
the spring in the late fall or um winter you're supposed to use like suppos to PR the from going up whatever I don't know anybody going years ago we did utilize Greenwood and it's basically money going out and
then we we didn't make a you know no administrative comes to the burrow you know it's work but if it gets rid of the bugs they didn't have a pesticide the beginning now they okay got
it thanks a couple I to kill him you chase like three times I never seen my daughter chase after something so fast so excited to kill runs around
St so exced so the the next page Central Park fields the rate of the fields has gone up $10 so um I will have to change that
um right now theost of the FI is 5,100 can we get so many hours up there you say beer our but it's not our programs they're not our rec programs they're programs we
support for our kids [Music] soer my for Mor they play up there but they have to come at Mor across I know comes
the oh yeah they borrow more didn't jump on the first develop those field so they they charge each municipality that uses the fields a percentage of how many kids not like we used yeah everybody was
playing 60 I was part of that commission and getting a field there we everybody PID 60 we us to PID 30 also the lights were 30 bucks an hour but because we were getting a loader to push the the leaves we didn't pay for lights for our program we helped a lot but through the
years um been they've been self they want they want to be self-sufficient we pay for in the spring we didn't so so it wasn't hour for hour we did say it but yeah until you come to it's coming to we're going to be like
everybody else you want to get lines P up there nobody else they're already putting funds aside to put new carpet up there the girls who play hocke there zero any something I brought to
the yeah that's I know but you call they prefer back it's just back and forth it's ridiculous whatever the next L why not that's for judging um and in there we also have some money
that we put in for benches for Jud put in thees um sorry I don't need to go back the Mr May the um the playground equipment that we got for ass
Park we got ass rotary is put a Perle up next to the pickle balls as well so like put like a little like Pur so you can like sit under it a shade like so when they put the benches and stuff be nice little get
the I know new courts do we know where they're going to be next to the new on that coming that's a gr got pick all gr that we we just got that
we app for we 70 something I um the other line i' like to discuss is the special events line so in that line is um of um the block
party the $500 for the farmers market and uh the Centennial is coming up so I put in 60,000 we have this year next year ra, so for the block party aded rotary
of that but it's really is it a bural that because are we so they supply the food they do all that sort um we so we're the they P the bage trucks
Chate be 100,000 so we're doing 60,000 this year um just uh question the line above affordable housing manage what's what is
that so it's just it's phenominal amount um but at the time we needed a portable housing leaon our Tracy Tracy is it started off as being a
separate company so Tracy does that Trac okay it's not a big it's not a lot of responsibility right [Music] don't
P so he Char a fe might have another that tax off form she receives the information puts the form together okay Goa but the law we have not interacting are interested
ining correct a report yeah we don't we don't do any of the stuff Associated okay they have their own management everybody else has their Management Madison affordable does
building for each one okay so so it's more an administrative thing this is just a placeholder I hate to go back the community center what What expenses so that doesn't go under facility
so so to that point facili me for the other building not when this was I do think that you're going to see that line TLC that's be I asked Paul Sosi
and C to give me a price on sound equipment over there they gave me a rough price they're still waiting on something like going to come out of here uh he he was thinking about the speakers
but he had to test speakers little quieter ones question the next one isard of Health back take five minutes minutes sure you're going to do Council Fitness for everybody we're [Laughter]
stretching you want a water soda so how's it going good how you doing should I be pausing this yeah what do I do to hit the B no you're good so oh you get it this way which you could do oh you can't pause it you just mute it though
e e e e e e e e e e
e e e e architect on theard [Music] of so the contract Help Services so the actual contract is attached there County
as well and that actually outside C but in that contract he it's um also included as $1,000 to the blood bank and Animal Control we supplement it
don't wait so Animal Control comes out of this contract don't cover their contct which they you like Li Li other than that there any questions on
Bo Municipal Alliance Municipal Alliance salaries is the allance coordinator and also the individuals that are in the team Center there three of them uh educational programs so this is a grant that we receiv
received um it was uh $88 last year and the year before there were two grants that we received the second Grant is no longer beinged for this year so uh the grant that we have 25 is the
3343 out of that Grant uh 25% is our match um I had that match on your special activity bur I kept it the same but our match is only $835 75 uh the other line which is the grant
with match is the county um they give us an extra $2,000 stien we used to have to match that dollar to dollar they reduced it to our match being $1,000 so that's why that's 3,000 Professional Services so in Municipal Alliance I
guess we did budget you know for um one over at oh oh team Pride I'm sorry used to be but there's a different at the high school you know the coffee house no it's the group that does the counseling at the high school right on site for kids
you need it like emergency counseling mental health through the alliance PR new name I haven't heard of this one oh it's on the budget it's great team Pride was Oran
prior they changed their I don't know think of it [Music] anyway questions [Music] and then there they
use so I do have new car so last year we were going to replace that we decided not to but it's the larger green van the whole B is next we do need we do need the two Vans I have 50
here I'm waiting for more exact price Trac State I don't know which so that number will prob go down probably 40 two Vans yeah the
minig green van is going to be replaced with another minan only C numberb just Monday through Thursday from 9 to 1:00 yeah on the sheet it's like 40ish you think that gas number is
accurate that doesn't seem like a lot of it's the Vans have very good job where the maintenance where's the maintenance cover the budget you no no no very
consider Robert G um the same amount Miss Le usually covers what [Music] is that so that's not under
okay okay questions Robert Garden do a separate line item for flower plants as opposed to everything else okay looking for someone I and the next line is Recreation
so miss uh the secretary the director and the recreation coordinator Sal um office suppli I normally don't get anything from RE so I kind of look at what they said last year the one sheet that I do
get from is special events right you got the with my adment but that's that's uh back you Su so um I just look at what they spent the prior year
and what what are the contributions to so the contribution I do have the extra sheet oh it's on I did change the one contribution that they literally
contribution I took it out Sports funds that's not I took that out I reduce that we've always been getting the contrib 25400 the Consortium is the get the get bring up she
they don't want I will do I will do that I will do that I had a conversation with Jer about it yeah and I did too no about about that whole you can speak I did explain right and we were getting little used to
all the stop year that place extremely busy and ex every day got to be right the rec programs they they spent under half under a third of their budget
um so you know what are we doing here are we over are we over budgeting for the programs still or are we good with that number that may have happened we may have we may have
retained money from special events is different it's a different l so so what are we doing with special events let's start with what are the rec programs then right what are Rec programs that are 10 that are budgeted for 10,000 we spent
3900 oh um under red programs um I I knocked it down to was up um 15 for the sports fund I put it in there instead of contributions to contribute to so I did put it in this
10,000 and also in there is in case um summer camp so summer camp is supposed to wash um Revenue coming in goes to expenses but if there's a shortage it will come out of this line so what was the first thing summer camp
I get what was the first part of this they had budgeted for sports funds under contributions yeah but not it's not a contribution so I put it under that what is it you if I'm not mistaken didn't we set
this up because um the the summer events needed money ahead of time and they had to go to the voucher system so they can get the ten program all that stuff so they were but we were supposed to actually when the
money came back supposed to reimburse and and break even so I don't know but this was done on purpose because of they didn't have the money right away to start up the way they've explained this to me is that they came in and fought
for additional money for the summer camp they had put in a $5,000 cushion in there um if they spend more than they bring in that 5,000 would offset it I don't think that was why we did it think
it was because they needed money up front to get things going because then it would just be refunded right and it would be refunded back and that was the way it was set up but I remember it so I think what's been happening too is now when they do their summer camp
they say donation so they include that in but then we get it back right well they were short this this year they were over last year last year they let me get a hold of them you got let me know that exess money this year they were sure
3,000 so and some of that will get covered with this that was a horrible place for our kids it goes different different years so some years do you actually you know Break Even or you know [Music] it's it's supposed to
help to thinking about not going not are going to do I know they let's change topic this last night special events also seems to be like overfunded when
you look at the list of events they didn't this doesn't show you what they actually spent on special events last year this is what they're asking to next page yeah no but that's only we don't see actual buy item for which events what did they
spend that's not on here but like for example the senior citizen picnic was budgeted for 2500 they think I think Anna said they spent 750 so you don't have what's encumbered is what she's saying yeah she car as to
the budget so no can you put can you have it for next time what was encumber because I know that we even retain we're supposed to retain soccer and Lacrosse to offset the greatstone price for the field I said got a text
Jo I told him get over there and give me a b because I don't I don't what that's like a cancer next thing you know it'll it'll be wider and wider that's another topic 15 years old right no WR down where white
line I'll go [Music] there I told you to go there not we should talk about yeah we got to get a price no it's the most used area in Mar PL
second nothing and that we we just got car cheap but it's cheap not 250 right anybody where a line came out and you
just don't want nobody Tri and the other thing is well you know what it is they're so desperate to play that when we had the snowstorm there was 12 kids over there with shovels they they carved an area and then I'm like I can't stop these
kids but I was ticked off that he was in a shovel I'm saying I wonder if someone ever going to start ripping but it's just so beautiful that you know they were home there no day in their plane I mean so we start from the first one B was canell due to
Wild fireworks hold on guys uh Halloween we did pay that 250 uh theater program um they budgeted 4500 and we spent
740 uh summer concerts we budgeted 4,000 uh and with the uh the band even though it's in a different department I say they spend 3,100 but was 24 that they paid out from
that line um family day they budgeted 15,000 is paid out 10,700 or expensed uh pool events no nothing have them and they don't do they must add three but U Jerry said
I guess the pool doesn't the pool so it comes out budget right oh not not this line okay right uh block dance um that's in about it before different budget zero uh
senior citizen picnic they budgeted 2500 they spent $750 Recreation events various events they this is last year that they asked for 3,000 of course they you ask for 35 this year but out of the 3,000 they only
spent $333.77 [Music] uh it's it's for like if they need cattles if they need uh equipment for one of the instructors that we keep the equipment oh okay so it's equipment well
it's it's various expenses that Recreation for for programs okay and Nancy under contributions like yoga maths yes okay under contributions Nancy yeah soccer and thecross there's 3,000 in soccer and 4,000 in thecross we hold
it's there hold the money back to offset to offset gra Stone because both those both those kids use gra Stone all right we're not there yet we're still on Easter Bunny so Easter Bunny on top um they budgeted 1500 we spent 44 that's
okay 44 my bad well they they sell tickets right whatever they purch your exercises 40 this year if that we could take the three out of there three what yeah they budgeted this year last
year was this year no put a th you got do the got do prizes I'm fine with a th last year we spent 444 okay got it yeah um senor 40 sessions uh we budgeted
2000 and nothing was spent so did they not have an instructor or you know nobody they couldn't find an instructor some of the stuff like I don't know if they charge but these are the this supposed be for the threee ones
okay I mean they used to have this uh book club uh they budgeted 250 Maybe for free yeah they don't they still have it yeah uh winter yeah winter event um 500 not
spent and then the covid-19 that's we don't need we don't need that line everything is up 10 20% rides clowns everything welcome to the world of government budget so they SP
4, no no no they don't use it it goes into General front whatever use it com back it's good to have in happen I see what you're saying what are we cut here well we spent 40,000 last year
so we have 67 67 I already events is coming out because we have it somewhere else right well the pool I wouldn't eliminate any of the lines I would
drastically the L in there not all l in there something in there so it's not forgotten or else I thought they were doing different not if you have different coordinators
and want to do different things we still have to have what did you encumber on Day last year get sorry like I said that is a big discrepancy you want to drop a little bit General funds you guys okay that
15 you make that adjustment proba put down yeah right sp35 on where 3500 those were in case they want to do like they used to do like a February comedy thing and all that stuff but then
rotary kind P down so exercise I know we have individual there yeah she's doing that we're paying through salary and wages not through this I don't know what this would should be we should shouldn't this be upset
with whatever thees are for that class it's free it's a free but we're paying her in salary and wages this was to cover but it's not iages don't take anything out
out yeah we used SE your office no that's Char that right sure that makes sense what's the8 now just prices aren on you don't need
absolutely see something be said for that Sumer concert we're still only going to do the four only four but they're I don't know that's 2400 I know they have a new one I don't know what cost sorry what did we say breakfast
the other last weeks an additional weekend no no the new van don't that oh so what what did they spend last year for that 24 I would make that I would probably
yeah that get a nice turn over there a looks like it's G down additional 4,500 the total 125 it's down 12 so 67750 125 question on
recation this is sh tree commission that's the goals doesn't explain they request, no because they year not I know at the end of the year after the
budg add fund I don't think they should get it ask guys I was very skeptical before and grounds but I I can tell you there's a a lot a lot of work need I'm not an AR but I am a
construction like I told you guys last night thank God for that Windstorm like a lot of dead friends that probably save some money but you go to Every Park and you start looking up it's a lot we got a lot ofes in I
know Nancy said like 16,000 ch how the most beautiful oak trees are in sh they're all maintained so well i000 some other SE Department you I mean you're from chatt
right M mass and both yolks just gorgeous they're just gorgeous that's my my opinion the difference between the parks main 10,000 and the storm Dage 10,000
main main like I know about no right I'm saying that like why that there still a left they gave us a report last guys one last night right yeah but before that
the week before at the council meeting they gave us a report that was a work plan that they discussed with four trees at commun Park right two behind to welome La plane sign on Johnson Road stump removal somewhere B by the
trail part Road and then the rest would purchas them so that's seven trees that they're in their plan that they want to remove and then but so but but still they so they're saying the budget for January to
March would be 24175 and so in the first two months they will be spending 21,000 of that first quarter budget so I guess I'm just not if this is their plan it doesn't look like they need 120 whatever thousand I don't
think what I don't think so either I think that that number that we did last year I think I talked to Rob and they should be able to do it but I'd be very weary to to lower below that because if they don't use it they come it goes back to us but the next to have we have a
hurricane or we have something no but the thing is they have their budget that they outl with Seven Trees being removed last year they took 72 tree they pruned 72 trees and took 30 trees down so like if this is their
plan how are they getting to that to that number even the 96,000 I don't understand how they're getting it because and and and again the big issue here is that there's nobody that's you know
somebody complains about a tree the only person who can verify that that tree needs to come down is the same person who's also making the money DPW goes there first and they will take that tree down if they have if it involves climbing if it involves anything near a
power line they legally cannot touch it or if it goes in the waterways IL legal Catholic and then they give it to the Forester who bid who the lowest bid for tree removal pruning and all that stuff I know but in their report it says that
it says that um recommendations for tree removal that's we get we get we get memos as to complaints from our residents and that goes to the DPW most of the time they're able like
when the trees fell down right here at the by the by the batting cage this year at Community Park DPW was able top I think it usually comes from a memo from from the I know that and he checks it out I don't even know if he really goes out that much and does that kind of
stuff this is more like and he's doing that at his time but I think it most off with MOS what I saw in my two meetings they have like five six seven eight members I called the other day and he said oh my
God I remember I don't know if it's de or not but the AR that's the point dies ibody but they they know what is down or they can cut
it they know what from we're talking about authorizing expenses so shade tree board it says consists of five members including a reporting secretary and a Forester a forest is not a the sh commission should not be making decisions the Forester that we have is a
contractor that is a contract that we have for so so many years I have no debate about paying them they do a great job but they should not be involved in the process of deciding whether the trees come down and then it says here would you like to hire an outside guy is that review current memos these members
are submitted to Mars plain's resid by Mars plan residents shade tree members or the town Forester says it right here he's submitting memos about what come down that is inappropriate I have been here for two months I have noten he submit a memo but the board approves it he can submit any memo but the board
appications to I I watched the meeting all they do is T tally the total they are not evaluating whether a tree should come I certainly cannot see going to spend another 20 304,000 no I should to find another take the take out of the 96 the
money that we need to pay somebody to authorize the removal anything theyth I will I will sign off on I can't sign off on this that's that's another expense that you that you spent this is an over this is an
over because look at the report they sub how many Tre come seven how are you get into this number there's a mathematical number there have it's inside the the bid package of how much to take down a tree grind a tree it's all done by competitive bids
but this plan that they submitted for what they want to do this year comes up through the whole year you can't out hey right we got to decide who who knows what's not going to bloom come springtime or or whatever throughout the year this is what they know that I think
didn't get done last year I I would I would have this budget and if they can if they can get somebody outside that could approve additional above it I would allow it but we should put a line allow it or not you you vote on it whether you you can vote no or you can
vote Yes that's how that that's how that works I know I'm just saying they decide on trees we decide on money Madison has what you describe I we need to R it down I had called they could
Tre step process I I agree with they pay an hourly gu value the plan for the beginning of the year this in this District you need to take you know this year you're going to prune in this District next year you're going to prune District too so they kind of
rotate the pruning throughout the burrow so it's kind of a systematic um if obviously some comes down you take take down why would you want take that money off the budget the AR that's going to do that independent study it should it should be it should be that money is needed to keep the town
safe sidewalks safe for our kids and again if we don't use all of it up if it goes into a general fund I don't know if I want to tell you but if you guys wanted to do independent study we should we should go out to bit part the trees and does it they'll go out and they'll look at every single tree and everything
very different and give you uh they'll actually do sonograms and determine if the H Tre is even Hollow want to pay for that of no they're not not disrespecting them so to have a person certified they go out and look ver
what the memo said or what our ARB currently say you know you were there it's a reactionary board they react for those memos but there's no like At first I was skeptical about you know the this and that when I went there my skep syst
went down to nothing every year they ask for money at the end of the year right or like like consistently 10 out of 10 like when I was on there we move money over and then the last year there they had this they had $10,000 worth ofing I said a safety
issue they said so that's wait to why do we increase the budget why do we have to keep increasing budg I'm with you I'm not this is a 28.4% increase over last year's budget everyone's ex I'm not let's come number when I'm telling what their plan
is it comes to 37,000 including the new trees they want to plant 37,000 $682 okay I give them 50 this is their plan we're going to be in serious trouble because we have somebody making the decisions who's also making the money have right now we're reacting
there's nobody decision right now when the tree comes down has been doing what you're saying then that should be independent right now this board that for my my little two meetings that I had there is is a reactionary board they don't what you're saying is is is instead of being
reactionary to is to go before it and see what's going on but that money shouldn't come from their budget because they can't do what they have to do with that I I I'm a contractor I'm just giving my opinion all right but I I I think what you're saying is is hire our
wor get bids say listen we want you to do maybe maybe do two zones you want to do all of the whole town and at that point you know we'll have him and uh see what he wants and and and he can he can he can reaction I think what we're
saying is let continue your process right but before you take a tree down we're going to call Pilot hey he's go check this out a tree live another six months or a year or danger I think not emergency not time out time out all right let me go back the only thing take
out when the trees really dead there's no the 70 a trees I got yelled at every time by n i it's a dead tree I promise you dead but I can't but you were you were challenging why we're taking so many trees down I just fig up of the camp no you you were questioning
why we were taking down so many trees you know when I was right but we cut a perfectly healthy tree down across the street from the house your daughter took a picture of it in the fall right it was bloomy so so right now they are they are just keeping the town the paths I get a
tree fell down on a path there by uh by the pond on Johnson Road okay DPW goes there first tree is too big they can't do anything so the ARB react again goes there and cuts up but he has a set price of I think $90 or whatever it was for
that for that 90 bucks DPW can't do except that somebody went there before and said that tree might fall down I would have Lov to have that we don't have those kind of funds that tree should have been down before it fell down those trees on Johnson Road that knocked out almost our our Pump Station
those were all dead trees they should have been taken down but I don't see that there it's again it's more reactionary than it is exactly so is done after it's not like that they react Jason they don't I mean I mean I love
when I go through Chad and madis I look at those Oaks and the way I maintain them it's there was one meeting where they were talking about him driving around looking for things before the sh Tre meeting to give them a list to consider so that is not being reactive
that is being I never saw that that that happen it's on there's a Me On video okay so what are we going to do with the budget the last time we had I I I looked at the budget for successive years so so
in 2013 it was 68,000 I know we had the ash treat things then it went to 50 the next year 45 48 2017 it was 53 2018 was 584 2019 was 654 2020 now here's where
you start getting the it goes up to 754 then 2021 same 754 then in 2022 went to 854 2023 kept it at 854 and then 2024 it jumped up to 967 and they wanted an additional 15
which we didn't give them so um you know be very careful I'm just the other thing too I mean when when other town we have these wind storms in other towns the wires are down
I think everything wires maintained Road they fell down and knock the power been out who's who's authorizing the tree take down who's going to do that we the ultimate the ultimate guy that that down is listen I found this so
don't let's not I'm just talking here okay DPW is first on the scene and last on the scene if they can get there and they can take take it out and it's in their it's in their capacity with the insurance they take it out what I saw
they come the list depending on the size of the tree they refer to the DPW so they have the list this tree is 12 in and that make that's that can't make any sense because depending on the location of a tree that that discussion is irrelevant because if the tree is by a walkway where people walk it's totally
different if was in a Woods if it's in the woods John has no problem Pi hand down he just sou if it's in the woods there's no water no people I'll probably take it down but if you have a tree by power line buy people to walk in he can't touch it so he he can't make a decision he
can't tou I've only been two months so give me I I we're playing with fire be very careful let me ask you this DBW takes a tree down does that get
charged no sorry in our Parks like the one I fell by the path there walking path right they did not coming out Mar Township they have their own pool people their own tree people their own we're not that way our DPW paints
Cuts trees does everything so what you're saying is this 956 that they spent last year didn't include any of the cost of the DPW helping to take those trees down you'd have to M you'd have to you'd have you have to add that econom well you can't figure that your
Sal employees but you're saying a buk of it's done by the DPW but not that 96,000 correct exactly they don't do a lot of they each item is is done by bid and that item is uh is inspected by DPW they
can't do it the tree guy has to do don't go the way it's when it comes down they're reactionary that's only the trees down the trees that are coming down are mostly not on the ground so
that it's like that's so what's the number no I my thing is we should increase the budget and higher and arborous and be proactive and say this is your canopy you lost 5% have a plant put the right species in
and that's the way should be done but you're looking probably about another 100,000 but that would be a dream m like a feed for tree or something like that wasn't $100,000 for a for a study for the whole town no no
Theo the there's a memo Che that out oh they come out all the time I'm saying have a PR approach did in 2013 but they had to have a grant for it it's like $20,000 that's not what we're talking about no I never said that I'm talking about having somebody drive around other
than our do contractor Nancy that person has to be licensed he has that blueprints have he has to have he has satellite communicate of where that tree is exactly the canopy of it it's not you know checking the M Theo
right Tak it downen gets a Call's does down this other guy looks at it says oh yeah come down that's noo gets saying oh
that's what they do sure our I'm sure the for for only only works only he only goes there when DPW says they can't go there and well I mean
I know you're putting your hands up but they have a very poor track record of sticking to their budget having the emergency all of a sudden it turns into November and all these things need to come down for I I do think that when Mike presented it
I think he does have a handle on the funding for this year I'm happy that he has objectives um I think we just put a little more process behind what is actually happening make a lot more people at EAS you're add another l no I'm not saying I'm saying for the existing board to just keep track of the
meals that are coming in having a spreadsheet of did the forest to look at it what was their decision and then what was the action taken and then that process happens that process happens exactly the way you're saying the parent gets to
memo DPW gets it they go there forer isn't even involved that's policy and he has to put on he took care of that that like we have a stump that needs grinding we waiting for it's a
memo there it hasn't been done yet I'm anyway guys I've been there two months uming I was very skeptical in the beginning I I didn't like what I heard about about Shay tree before in the little two months that I went there I
learned a little bit more I think I got a lot more learning to do but I can tell you guys be very careful you cut I don't know about I'm definitely against increasing it but to cut it I'm a little skeptical and I don't think I have experience if we want to see how much I
can get maybe get a bid to have somebody like Bartlet trees they're like the top and they work all in Madison Summit all ni towns the uh they're they're certified Arborist I can I can ask them to see what it would cost to do a study also we have to I think we lost
5 come to we to come out determine all right so I can call Bartlet tree they're they're pretty much the local people and I'll also call other companies the to see what it would cost once we get the memo what we're
saying to act to assess it themselves not DPW so it sounds like no one's in favor of increasing it so do we leave it where it is it looks like historically they've had the same bu two years two years they had that budget last year do we keep it
the same or do we low it I thought we were done with most of the ash tree problem and that we had spent that large amount of the last four years and taking most of those trees down so I don't know why we should be at the same rate that we were in that crisis period if I may if I may we're down 12%
from last year first two months first two months of this year they're down 12% whatever that means but guys you guys I'm I'm just my my thing is I as soon as those trees blw myself I'm going
to walk where the kids walk I'm going to look up and I'm going to go report myself and if you guys want our bir to look at it they certainly can um but it it's good to know that we have it there if they don't if they're down
12% out of 100,000 they save 12% which just say that's $2,000 savings but it's not because their budget I looked at this I looked at it very closely their budget was 24175 through the end of March their year to date spend which which is now the beginning of March is
21125 and they're claiming that they had a 12% savings but they haven't looked at the full quarter yet so that's that's it's two months that's a full quarter yes January February right not their January to March budget was
24175 claim now that at the beginning of March that they they only 12% of their budget have they spent in the first quarter but that's because they're only two months in they haven't finished the full first quarter yet well they're going to be on the hook to number where
is it coming from oh no go below it it what the mayor says if it's there it's there you have emergency it's not there that I yeah you and I'll I'll report back with
with prices for the an arborist to uh when a memo comes in to see what he wants to the trade is that is that is that the intent of the board I'm going to get three estimates for an aror when the memo comes in instead DPW going there we're going to pay a guy legal
licensed aror to go there and assess us say this tree has to come down do it or come out I want it to come out of 6000 I want it to come out of the 96,000 maybe maybe it's per visit and do we always will we always me it AR I don't think so
because the Tre down dead many I can't see it being more than but that's what the report says I'm just going by whatw probably put 46 700 if you take 12% off the 968 if you guys if you guys want the
arbor it's going to come out of this budget don't play with it because the main chares 15 chares 80 something an hour so you you figure an hour an hour and a half about 100 120 I no idea well you's got to get to the tree
200 bucks I I was about 150 but let me get exact numbers charge at come out and drive fors let me let me get the numbers together I I trust that you guys I'm for the not increasing it but I trust that
you guys just leave it alone and if the money stays there and we get this sist and U we think that will save money it it'll be a pilot program um as I said I had the same whatever skepticism everybody had about about
shade tree I had the same thing the being on the board or not on the board but being there and doing the tra but I see that it's it's clean because DPW is the ultimate judge not the op not the not day Duty two
different they're talking disease is it coming down or not that kind of not going cut right now we're reaction reaction there's no there's noactive approach that's saying is he's going to
go and get clot that process should come out of that budget right but so he's going to go out and get quot for what that's going to be but for now in terms of the budget right we saying the same as last year assuming we're going even though they haven't shown me that they need
that much money right we don't know they didn't they gave us the plan but it doesn't it shows 38,000 that's exactly right those are the numbers I got I don't know how they got but then we'll need a request reports so we can see what's happening and contrary to exactly well talking
about taking down Tre you got 45 ,000 for pruning the table right so that's not that's there may be seven trees that they're taking down and then the rest we don't know what it is you're just talking about trees no I'm talking the report that he gave us with the I know but it only has Seven Trees but here you
got cabling 45,000 you're only looking at one aspect of everything I'm looking at what he gave me that's all yeah but that's not the entire budget you still got pruning you got the new planting you got fertilizer you got all this other stuff this plan does not match this budget how did they get to these that's
what we want to see like and they don't show that they just it seems to be arbitrary they just increase it or reaction right they just increas they rect the same way every year after year so so there's $86,000 I don't know
whether I don't know now we're going to take the arborous cost off of that whatever we approve I'll have those numbers for you I mean theyve got $10,000 in storm damage that they've never used I get it but they nevered
it DPW just do it but they it won't show up right yeah I that could be possible but satday all all those stre were down DW clean them all up when we had that that that bad wind on Saturday so but it
won't show up in the books though so it's not so how do you how do you make a calculated decision but you need that can't take that out I'm I'm with you but but to their point they're saying to gbw have marked I took down branches here here here here here here
showsport you know Sor getting way into the we whatever listen listen I'm I'm I'm listening to you guys whatever I gave you my my thoughts we're playing with fire and no pun intended be be be care for what we do here and I'm doing my best to keep
that budget down and keep to safe and uh I've got there quite a many years in my my town I love my town and uh this is one thing that nobody's questioning loving the to we all love the not I'm a t I'm passionate I
know behind you the same way what we're saying is the numbers just don't make sense right that they don't make sense okay like you said the thing about the 10,000 if DPW did $20,000 the clean and don't show it that 10,000 will be unencumbered
or whatever I don't know how do we fix that it's kind of hard and again I only been there two months I'm trying my best to I know I'm not blaming you I'm just saying I think from where I'm sitting the numbers don't make sense when you look at the sheet that they gave us the
numbers don't add up it don't make sense right and so got big picture I think you know that they didn't take they just planning on taking down Seven Trees we all know that you know that they're trying to plant you know that there's other Stu involv we know it's going to be more than seven trees maybe that
seven trees that they know right now I'm sure throughout the year it's going to climb up to that 30 something trees or whatever the number is and you're going to be around the same number and I like them to new planting Replacements use
the budget you use half for last about I think you heard Mike say they do don't want at the last meeting Rob brought up a good point we shouldn't just put the trees I know we're we're hurting in every area but not put them in one area
we're going to walk the parks and try to maximize the use of those trees to give us the best can that's been hurt you can use those trees right now at community park by the baseball field you know and that the people love the fact that they on top of
the hill but we only have this amount of tree so what Rob said you know instead of putting seven let's just put two there but let's see where else we can go and that's going to take time but we're going to do it that way so the board's a pretty Dynamic board I got to be honest I was you know but again I don't want I don't want
to make speak too longies well we haven't decided so I'm ready to decide on this do we keep it the same there or does it go down who who wants to keep it the same Mike keep it the same s keep it the
same 85 I'm not trying to do your job you're doing a good job though you're hired what do you think in my I I'll keep it at 967 okay and Nancy it sounds like if we can a lot within that 96 to hiring AR
the arborist okay 96 what do you what what are you moving around here keep the line items the same last year keep it the same as last year I promise all you if we don't have a lot of a lot of De trees or things we'll be
at 50,000 by Year I'll do my best that be A Mir hey I like challenges what are doing let me f them out Jason and back to my committee
said keep so they can cut 5,000 if you needed to yeah well you left it that you left it last year so you already c yeah exactly was UNC went to
general fund exactly I'm sorry if I got little I'm I'm wear Scottish all passionate about our committees which is fair you know we we're on the inside people at first I
was I was skeptical with I have to be honest that's the begin meeting yeah if you look at the course the bottom part is our state of our fund balance we currently have 94,000 in fund
balance the highlighted B is um the amount that we can anticipate Revenue we can anticipate that's looking at a budget for this year 215,000 Al together
utilizing over 7,000,000 we need function this year we're able to buug it with 70 we drinking [Music] so but if we take that out of the fund
balance then that leaves 24 and fund balance for next year so look at this Revenue it's going to be 20 possibly we last year that we well if
you look at it right now we done this is the last year this is the last year done no more no there's no more blood in the Rock so we got last report is due for American Rescue we have 44,000 to plug an $889,000 next year and I just got two
bad newses um the one with the baby pool I to my committee um they when they did the work 10 15 years ago they put plas top P don't know what happened I'm fingers
what happen however what happen water would get in there and and then at the end anybody want to go to it looks like veins everywhere within inches not not within inches ve the whole pool like like excuse the
analogy a cancer I tried to get DPW there unfortunately with the Jack cameras it just took too long they moving very slowly six guys I think they a very small area I brought in I had a guy that I know I brought in he does
hydraulic concrete removal uses 40,000 psi pressure washer which takes the concrete turn it into sand to help even remove the blue um pain so least were down to where we can have great
adhesion one estim at 17 another estimate came in at 11 I going to try to get one more there aren't that many contractors that do this this kind of work it's very unique commcial the other thing is
um the pool had some problems with drainage leak leaks um it was able to kind of empty itself out without us opening up the Val you're talking right
I can't hide that from you guys you guys should know right now so so what happened is there's a there's a there's a pump bow that valow is around $7,000 I that's one estimate from a local contract we're going to try with
DPW to get some more that's just two pretty big items and then on top of that we have to get the person who's going through the gun night or the Finish plaster the baby pool that paint him
been I don't know 6 7,000 I'm cheap I hope I'm right to cl to that I don't know but I'm working on trying to get numbers I'm trying to get them now because once May comes you will never get a pool guy they're just so goddamn busy and I don't trust a pool guy on my
life I don't like pool people I they're they're not people the work I never had a good experience with pool person just for they they book too much then they get too busy and and and you never get in you know so anyway sadly there's there's there's going to be extra
expenses um then there's a pipe that goes from the drain from last year that We examined that goes to the PK house we put a pressure thing on it and it seemed like it was holding up it wasn't leaking
so my wish to God is that we put this valve in and we close it and they put a foot just a foot of water on top of the valve that stay overnight that's all I want that's all I want to see the problem is if we change the valve and I put a for the order you know I'm not talking a lot and it goes
down there's there's one more part that can be L but if it's not leaking why let's do the valve and do that test and then we'll do that I'm in contact with my committee on that facil maintenance line which is currently set at $9,000 for
2025 so you just blew that up I'm sorry no not you I'm just saying that's i' give it to you from the tree but I don't have any more money in the tree, 16,50 my question is that line item last year is almost $85,000
y did we spend that much on it yep dider in another 21 say actual was 18,000 so we did drainage of repiping of
the system system that would be the return for the water okay but where is all that captured I don't understand we budgeted 85 but we only spend 18 that's what5
67,000 we're looking at the bath upgrades and and other upgrades at the end of the year you guys approved to me canceling uh 24,000 of Appropriations if you look at that sprad sheeet you see
the 24,000 going back into fund balance so and the only re the only reason I did that is otherwise the 94 would be 24 right we don't cancel Appropriations in that that Year's
budget to be utilized in wag was short I budget ,000 so s the we have 16,850 did any of what Sal just said was that included in that facil Improvement budget I get a budget okay she the I
don't get any budget from fck so 16,850 whatever you 11,000 would be 16 like 17 18 Grand that's damn close that doesn't the par no that is
11,000 11,000 7,000 for the for the B and now you got the Val I was just doing the pool oh oh the valve separate I think so oh I didn't know that was the valve separate or not the valve separate from the valve is that what you're talking
about all three the pressure was I was asking what he said press the total cost to what he said so the pressure washing the paint or stuck off and 18,000 that's 18 for that not including the part I don't have a number of that okay but he thought around 6,000 but you also
mentioned something about lining a pipe or something that's not expensive but the point is that is that preventative maintenance that we can do now so we avoid problem the valve has to be changed I get that I'm just but we won't have to line the
PIP that's water with me if I go next morning if I see a foot of water there I'm going to get drunk and get my feet wet too I thought you we do the pump under maintenance and up to you guys
[Music] the I mean DPW about the pump I didn't know about without any puming is that because of the valve we're thinking 35,000 what is it 35,000 in
water 37 I think is that theu exp the water so the water you fill the pool up then the water runs all the way till we empty out F in the pool they literally do not turn it off they turn it on and then turn it
off so if we fix them out and we don't spend we only spend maybe 10,000 on water that's that's a good grabit from there never been 10,000 so and you know what it's going to be 30,000 anyway because the
increase pay more money say that so it it sounds like the only number on this that we need to increase is the facilities Improvement at 18 16850 now we're estimating 18,000 yes so
make it 20 yeah no seriously then the part are we going to take from a different line come a different line okay I I don't know we're just we're just putting the numbers down I would CR for starting next year with a deficit
with 20,000 and it's going to be 44 right what we doing about next year because we we got have like a five plan here I only tell you there one pool in the state New Jersey that makes money Mar Township lost I think 4 or 500,000 probably on record one year on pools m
what what's the state law about about um dist service listen we can discuss that later okay moving but we have to decide like Anna said what we're doing with this with these funds that you going comfort you can take it from a different
line yeah that how much do you need you need 4,000 yes was right there 6000 so that's I mean everything is right
there the S part I'm sure we take in money so salaries the money that we take concessions take off until the in you know you're the engineer by the
way excuses principles are the same not that fast what do you want to take for 3,000 office supplies we can borrow some paper like Z there you go we knock that down to
1000 yep we also means we also need less chemicals we don't spend that kind of money water we get checked by the by the water heal to make sure that the the chemicals are good but if we're not putting all
that water in we W need all that I love it let's go no no you guys want to find 3 or 4,000 and chlorine [Music] went managers are they they train because there's a class that um I guess
our tool manager used to take are they trained I could take that out and then that's the okay we to worry about we doing we'll talk okay
sounds our best so we took we took 900 out of training9 up1 and we took what 2 um Library it is what it is street lights is what it is um no
Street not what it is I was trying I was trying so I had estimated small reduction this is the one that's actually um coming up do in October so we have a little bit more week we don't want to push it to the 20%
anticipate increase but maybe go to 68 so this is October right this one you only have months three months with the higher rate maybe the rates increase in October no no they're going to increase in summer
20% so it's October our contract so the increase in a new contract so they can't increase within our twoe contract unless they fall from the contract so we have a we have a current rate it's good until October so
even though the price is going up you know it won't affect us until October right and you're saying it's going to go up by 20% yes okay over the 62,000 over 62 is this JC
yes so is this where the the LED street lights would have come in if we had converted more this is the electric that there it's the supplier so we go and we do bid on supper resolution here and then that's
the contract several companies they the 65 we do like alterate we might be good that's if it's for the whole year the last
6000 question insurance and boms so I have backup on there explaining what lines are um then change the unemployment disability under other insurance is our
jip account um is what it's a joint Insurance Fund they cover our workers comp our liability yep um there's a volunteer yearly fee that's um insurance for our volun
$500 and then the municipality provides concern for the employees and that's 2900 services on the group insurance we have back up as well under there so total cost for the employees
the retirees dental insurance um the group insurance for the volunteers for the fire department and then um the health waiver is for the employees that wave Insurance you know which has
a dollar value on that you know we last went out for um to look at a joint Insurance Fund is that 20233 for the for the help open because apparently you can only request from
State health benefits CL free your free data for for free you can only request it every two years and if you try to request it more often they charge you for your own data so you can go out to bid so it's did you get that date can
figure out I didn't it we can get that data updated uh otherwise years years this is 25 we didn't do it last year I think I think but
iion because I had to request it it wasn't if we can get updated data we can find out if there's another plan out there that we qualify for that we can even even consider uh we don't we can't get our data I don't know how expensive it is ask for but it sounds like it's
prohibited our own whatever but for now this is what we got for this year so then what we're getting back is uh we do have reti contributions coming in from the dental cost uh we have employee contributions to those
insurance and then u i did split some of the the grp insurance with the lines any questions on insurance Public Employee Retirement fund that's the bill we see the departments on the second backup sheet
that I have I put some of the building department and the in this line also is um our defined contribution retirement plan for anyone that's not eligible for Cur that make more than $5,000
primers there a dcrp plan which is similar to a 41 employees need to be invested for one year in of years Pion or retir so this one down because
we have re uh what's the bill the yes so it's based on a given year and I don't know I don't know if it's two years ago or years ago they take information okay
okay Social Security much salary and wages and the next one is contributions contributions I have on there so Mor minut we usually raise them 2000
historically that's what we've been doing so that's what I did um all SE Garden Club has and again we do an additional contribution to te Pride which I will change any questions on contribution Municipal
Court the Municipal Court um sign wages is for the judge and the administrator um alcohol education we have that's a grant that we have these numbers are basically her numbers u under miscellaneous that did
increase so she's looking at changing the the door locks to be the KE similar to the outside door so that the all doors are going to be the same so the court comes and inspects every I guess it's every that one of questions R
FL public defender same Capital Improvement fund um last year we budgeted 875,000 for Capital Improvements I am the same amount we've been pay for projects as much as we could
instead of going out for that this um just where that quot ition come from did you the tech upgrades here that I mentioned it can right so I mentioned all the way the beginning the
the tech upgrades right was whatever the quote was 60 something, you mentioned that come out of capital so that's where we're at so yeah but we need a capital project we I had do an ordinance but this this
money would fund whatever we do in C it could be whatever sure these cars Ro whatever again down the line kicking the can down the line a little bit okay but do we know what that 875 is
currently covering or it's just a ro okay I I use the same number as last year so historically in the put in like 325 but we've been paying more of our projects fully funding them instead of
going out debt that's something that the council have wanted to do whe they don't want to do that going forward paying you know paying debt down well that's not so this money what I think what Bill's asking is this money is not specifically
allocated we're going to do in our next meeting correct we'll go through all the capital requests right all the ones the police department did the fire department did to be exhausted I'm asking
sorry but I'm so I guess that's a question so that's going to get exhausted this year that's the plan for that fund it depends on the council want to do so when we look at the next uh council meeting we'll be going through
uh capital projects um I I have all them next budg I guess my question is if at that next meeting we determin that the total Capital Improvements is more than 875 can we can we adjust that number or
do we have to do that now no we can okay back listen it's something that should bring something to committee to the council not discuss but the point is that it's
possible is possible say a chance yeah okay thank these are projects that we will be without having to add to our the next one is bom principal now this number cannot be
changed it's on my annual financial statement this is our debt that we we need to raise land next one is princial on notes same thing in August this one is for this is principal
on notes oh yeah okay I see so the requirement on we have one note for the fire Tru that's right that's the balance on so this will
be that's why that's that's why that's so high last well yeah that's for the again yeah I mean the requirement is um to put the the minimum requirement on not down is
7452 we have left on this note is 59220 so a lot of million half weid that going out for longterm shortterm no I get it I'm just saying if if we this is just I'm not saying we're
doing this I'm just asking the question right if we don't pay the 59 if we don't pay the full balance now right did we get charge interest next year we have to go out for so so this is so we have to pay it this
is no the the minimum requirement is the 7452 that's the minimum that I'm required my goal is to pay down the debt every year as we go without ACB this is the final payment last 21 years
maybe what's what's the interest on that um is it like two and a half it's low right it well we would go out I mean within a half% like the four sixes do
match so that's a big one that's all so we're all good with that kind of see the big picture on that right I mean I know Jason stated that he wants to pay that down but I think said
we have to see what out budget we don't have the big picture right that seems it would be nice of it's a large chunk of money that's I'm saying but if we have 200k left over the interest on that would
be so the car cost may not be that L but and if we don't pay it down you're GNA right our our debt to to income ratio would go higher you buy another fire truck so have the old debt plus the
fire truck so that ratio will go up would that have a negative impact on the budget and how much money we borrow in the future if that that goes up our percentage to equalized ratio is low low I keep it low I like it low I love low
but even with this we still Yes okay but you're going to another correct but I think it's it's a threee thing you're have 25 or six year old keep our insurance thing right got
you got a 30y old right yeah reping I bought one I bought one I bought one for $4,000 I went and my my brother cut and made a I never had a TR were poor how did sh
no I had here I had here I Never Had A TRU we were poor we had nothing I was one of the fire truck I said I'm going to buy a real fire truck this time I came back from M he put a flat bed on um that's what happen so Jason you're saying
potentially what's what's the cost of the new and that that would be a note trying to work on we can budget a little bit every year I don't know whether that's going to beable to the
manufacturer all right I mean we both trust Kevin and we know he's good but if it's a three years time it's 1.2 would it be like 1.4 by the time we're done always more there were there were increases were increase
cont oh locks it in% year so it's 8% a year if you don't do anything now it'll go so if we wait till next year it'll be 8% higher and then another that that's 100 Grand easy yeah
you know there's only certain people making fire TRS all right we're not there yet interest on bonds interest on boms that's interest on a police fing retirement system that's the
bill down payment on improv look at that right now we have the2 on that we also have um ordance number-23 includ of various RS right now
um our balance is 78584 not funded number4 Improvement ofs we have 649 that's not funded and then we just did this one
this year for Improv for 95,50 so out of those uh in this budget I have proposed um on ordinance 1-23 which is the oldest ordinance we have
22484 that's St spent check with Jer he said that that project is complete so we can cancel that amount which would leave a balance of 56 000 so I propos on here to pay down on
that Improvement and raise that 561 and make that funding which would just leave us with Road improvements we got to create money to put it in thereor we got to create money to put it
in [Music] there one of that somebody said one time window Compu laptop six what's in the computer I getting one inside somebody get one
inside yeah yeah Scott two two laptops how much did you I think 6000 well computers two he said two desktop and one laptop three three total
machines6 can do his payroll over to Tracy oh I think they were looking at a time but they were exploring options as as computer having a separate computer
emplo go that might have been he says not that bad they go day to day and enter everybody's hours into a spreadsheet then over got to be a better yeah but time broke I that
repl the software he told me was expensive like this no but I guess we thought that they got an actual time a couple years ago anybody have any questions on the budget you just uh thank you yeah thanks just
show them clear that that notes um M item for 592 320 are we reviewing that next time or are we saying that that's we're doing that I think we have to see the big
picture Okay me I would love it to stay that's my that's my go here to lay down all this de while we can't we don't know where the economy is going there's nothing large coming into town where we
we've had funds like we do now um you know you have other large ticket items coming well couldn't you take that money or big chunk of it throw in a bank earning 4% and pay the 2% interest and pocket the chain the
difference bber you thought it was so simple hey just numbers Jason I love my clients want to pay 2% off I go no don't do that just numbers exactly if it was me I would
recommend paying off um that note to um fund 74,000 now you're 400 and going out for not and getting attorney involved that whole process for a smaller amount to me I don't know if
that would make sense yeah and I think to the point picture so I just need clarification for the board so I don't mess up but it's 10:30 sorry so this arist no no no real quick it's only an
hour an hour long the arborist I'm going to get him only if the tree is up standing and we worry about it if the tree is under ground we go to the old way W go there if they could take care of it he doesn't have to look at a tree on the ground so it's just limited to
when the tree is up okay thank you but again asking but then in the future if the Tre 5050 he's going to make the decision thank you for coming thank you for coming you are champion
good we're done we're going to in a minute's it is there a motion to adjourn so move second byell thank you for