and the one the the building sub Cod official so I don't know if he thinks he permanent part time because he's been consistent in six hours a week he's supposed to be only coming in
when you call them you need not coming in I don't know if you coming in all automatically or what TR the hours no they're schu in the out there some calls up for inspection car SCH for for those hour that's got to be cut back that's
got to be taken away they part-time inspect right so that's I'm getting it sounds like that the $10,000 was not just guys sitting in an office it was guys going out doing inspections but those inspections were
scheduled right and was there an urgency around those inspections going on let know and he didn't have an answer for me I can't you know okay so this is this is the first time that I know about this nobody ever brought my attention
so we had a I just want to make it clear that if you if I had known about it I could have gone talk about it and maybe found more information before the the meeting but we know we know about it now month or the payroll for March this week so
that's why when I saw the payroll for March I said there still ours I said what's going on and what you're saying is we're not seeing the projects so what are they charging for examples um when they came to my house
he it was one of the parttime inspectors because he didn't even know who bill was yeah um and I was like so how many do you have today he like oh just three and this was at like 11 in the morning so it's not workload so I get the report on it every month I get the report how many
inspections are done right um I guess what I need to do is go back and look at what was done in previous years to compare that to see how many you know they're doing extra over and above right these are not just these are valid inspections obviously question obviously no they are
valid inspections but they're call people in inste be outside it's almost like the trans they legate drives the wrong people it sounds similar
to we're paying salary or whatever for these guys cor so it might take them longer to get through the inspections but they get they I would like you to set a meeting I me the other variable on this is that I know they have a new system so whe
calling these INSP 609 no 101 Sal oh okay um the other thing also that came up conference that's do know okay so things are in the
works I know so but I'm I don't want to have to pay $700 or whatever it's going to be for this person in in two months or the end of summer whatever I a letter if you want to spend the $700 and then have somebody leave by the end of
year I'm just want to say if we if something is actually going to happen if we talk to her find out something to happen she so we talked to her she indicated that something was going to happen but the directive I
got told me that we needed in ready correct we had nothing in ready correct so my question is do you have to send this person to the conference I can't go over there and ask her to write a resignation no that's not what we're asking okay I'll ask I'll ask if this is
necessary for her to go to this conference repeat that do you you meet with yeah I'd like to meet with pass remind me about that you still have more to go I'm comfortable
with I don't know deed person like I said there's an overage there 15 full it is to be full and we're currently that being other so I think this is what I we
talked about before temporary parttime person that only that person was only hired to the condos and the town homes and all thatu all one so
that's for again going on so an your question is what are we doing with the the salary line question so right now we're over if if the third person's going to
be hold on if she's not we have some in there and I'm comfortable with not reducing I the pin was to reduce that line somewhat that thir person but being that the outside detectors are using
some of that I would recommend to leave it the way it is and the number is what 250 yes I have a note 14,250 down is that that make mistake on something no so
that was the pin that we had on because right now I have in there a full-time third person and I have 8,350 for outside inspections the outside inspection is exceeded by a little over
2000 but the third person's not part not full time yet she's still part time so we have some wiggle room in there so instead of reducing because you're still going to have three people in there
okay until until that got then other thing um in this department is the I guess gave us this cop estimate yeah like 40,000 what line
is that captured on there in the budget there that is line maintenance 512 4 got it digital the digital scanning yes of the
documents file retention years couple years more y well so this again good so of course this is [Music] only which line is this going to be
276 26 276 that's 22 22 okay that makes more sense when are we okay s so but that was yeah yeah right 30 for scanning um yeah so again this is just
one proposal um as I as I've learned or discovered right anything over 17,500 has to go out the bid right so we can't this just gives an idea of the cost of it but um the what I know about this is
that this this would be done over the course of a couple of years right because in order to do it the full prodject not this 40,000 right no this is this is the whole thing this is the whole project this one estimate right so when we go out to Bay it could could change obviously right but this would be
to I'm a little confused so we were talking like 30 30 30 right but this is the whole thing now well this is one quote for yeah right but it's the whole thing Y and and the way they do it if you look at it they he explains it but
he goes down they basically look at how many boxes we have what size paper they have and then they do just a kind of on-site estimate of how much that that's going to be so they say it's you know uh 261,000 papers that's just looking at
how many boxes they have and they say that's at a rate of 78 cents no it's even less than that seven cents per page right so that's how you that's actually the biggest line item is scanning of all that paper and the way that this would work is like they obviously can't take all of our documentation at once right
number one they would never be able to do it number two if we ever needed it right we have to recall it right so they they actually this particular company has a um they have a service where if you need a particular piece of paper you call them they'll give it they'll get a vum in 24 hours so if you have to look
up somebody's plans or something like that get a back to right but but they don't take everything right they'll take they'll take a third third third yeah they they'll take whatever whatever they can manage in in a time and maybe they'll break it up by I know whatever it is right but but the the point is is
that um did you come and look yeah he did he was physically here I met with him uh bill was there Karen was there we're all there we talked with him and then he went downstairs in the basement this is how he got these numbers right so no BLS he looked at no these are these scanned
with no blueprints larger than 11 by 17 um they have he's talking about 87 boxes um how he's going to categorize all this stuff so again anyway the point
is is that this is um th this is one estimate for what it would cost but this would be for the total project so we SC in the full size 3 4 so no blueprints larger than by
17 um wouldn't he be put the blueprints on some kind of film or something so there there is so according to the the um it's under the Department of Treasury now mic film is a valid digitization
method but I don't know who uses microfilm anymore right so the way you when you got 36 by 48 well but the way they do it now is they scan it all then you get you get it all in PDF electr format so you don't you don't need the micil anymore so um I'm still a dinosaur
ex yeah he's got a micr I get so they yeah so this would be to take all the boxes that are in the basement down there um and scan them all in guess just sh two things
this this is Co-op Coop state [Music] coine so you don't have to go up okay the other thing is instead of adding um you're adding
again you're add 6,000 34 now you're 4 it's still an estimate yeah it's still an estimate so did you see line though it says that if we decide not to keep our residential blueprints for more than 10 years uh then then we can save up to
reduce our volume and save so the the other thing I was going to say just picking backing on that is I don't know if she's done everything but got of every Purge whatever she can out of there so some of those boxes might not some so the thing they said about that
is that they legally they cannot Purge any documentation right so it's either either the folks in the office over there would have to go through every single document and determine what is purgeable and what is not or they just
scan it all in and then we just get register right I think the cost if you look at the cost to scan everything in it's less labor intensive to do that and then we just th the department Pur stuff the office Pur their stuff right but then but you got you got
to think about the extra hours we'd have to pay for somebody to go there right it's going to be more theyed but that person I'm not sure if I'm reading this incorrectly it seems to me that what
they're giving us a price for is for any documents under the 10 years but it's saying that the residential blueprints are only required to be kept 10 years thereby it's ring overall volume by 20% the pricing below therefore
assumes 87 boxes not our whole 20 oh they already took 20% off the top okay so they're assuming that we SC that we that we did what you Pur we purged so we're purging I'm sure there's documentation
down that's older than we don't we don't have to keep any that stuff so yeah it's an right so for him to come if we actually want to move forward with it we'd have to have come in and do
act act know if there's Stu in there over 10 years over 10 years old I'm sure there is I mean I can ask Karen and so either make this 20 or 25,000
whatever they think they can get it done two years make a difference is the same price it goes three years it depends on the volume and it depends on how quite frankly how quickly we respond to that right so like if we if we're really choing at the B to get St done they can
do it in a year they can do it in like N9 months I want them to right but um it it depends on how quickly we want to do if we want to cut the cost in half do it over two years I have I talked to yeah I I my only my only concern is that again like this is this is an estimate right
so I don't my concern would be cutting cutting anything out of this based on this number right I would say that you know let's if we keep the number where it is don't increase it keep it where it is and then get an actual quote from
them on what we actually want to do then we can if we go under we're under right but we won't go yeah more than we need I spoke with with the building insor Mor Township I guess they started this seven years ago yeah and they're still at it so the
difference between Mor Town two more Township is that my understanding is that they actually they're I was a cler there's a person over there that actually scans all the documents themselves right or yeah whoever it is right they do it
themselves um and that's why it takes a while because she you know in in and amongst all of her other duties that person is there scanning all these things in right and then validating all the stuff this is a quote to not do not do that ourselves right they come in they take all the documentation they do
it and then it gets us up and running plus this includes well what this guy talked about was uh uh the the storage options right so it's uh I think we have like it's like three storage options so one would go tol one would be a cold
storage drive that we get and then another is a cold storage drive that's stored off so let me uh how do you do this moving forward where that go moving forward you get another document tomorrow yeah set the plans or whatever so it's right so it's a point in time
obviously so so we'd have it's a point in time so we'd have to pick say another Point like if we get enough 6 months yeah if we say hey we get we get we don't but if we were a municipality that did enough volume in six months we
needed them to come back in and scan and we could do that right obviously there wouldd be a quote for that um but yeah you'd have to you know it's just a point in time can we just go digital well so that was the suggestion is that and this is part of again what I'm working on with it's well it's what
I'm working on with uh the checklist committee with Bill Ryden Dave and Mike is that we don't need to require as many uh prints of things right we have we require 19 prints right if we get that down to three to five sets right that
reduces the amount of paper we have and then yeah the suggestion is moving forward do things digitally hand them a thumb drive when you're looking at review meetings right and then you don't have that much to SC so the actual the legal document I believe
yeah so we still we still have have to but that is SC something happens with the thumb drive or whatever but actual legal document well right now something happens with the paper like there's a flood over there or fire getet it oh yeah right that's why we got to thing
about once you do the Baseline of everything we have as it comes in how hard is it for the staff to scan it in well that's the point right is that rather than sending it out again in six months or a year that's kind of the point is that you get things digitally right the whole it'll down as you go
part of part of the purpose of this is digital backups right so if you get things indivually you can just add it to whatever backup system we end up using and then you don't have to scan anything right but even if they got a regular volume going forward so let me sure another question
I have this what about check it here close get stor here so wherever our stdl database is pulling from that's where this documentation gets to so I don't know the answer to that stl's the
same comp that so sdl is is the records management software these the yes it's on the cloud which replic Acres so then yeah this this information would go to whatever Cloud that's in
so we don't have I know file but is it ours we own it it's proprietary to us so we don't have to pay we leave we able to get that export so we don't have to maintain
store nothing is our respons we might although we might have to pay for storage on the cloud uh that's part of the assess cont so all the licensing all the is all they don't they don't lump
in sounds too good to be is super cheap they're charging you seven cents a page there's nothing about storage or you know that that storage isn't in that cause no they don't they don't store up
in the cloud right they your material they but they scan it and send it to there's three right there there's three versions of they keep one they give us one wherever we're going to store it and then sdl gets one right so
may is asking about the one we're getting Thum I just told sorry I use terminology so storage is a is a physical drive that the data is stored on that is not plugged into the network any yeah sorry yes exactly put in safe
lock it no I didn't hear what he said I didn't hear that before sorry Ione sorry sorry some of the some of the finest terms that I hear I'm like I don't know what that right so just so we can move on I
would suggest not raising this but just going what we have seeing how that works out okay that 34 yeah that's that's sounds like a win so far I mean
what we hear right well especially if it's ends up being once we get it right if it ends up being bless next year then we we go just check on the full size yes the next I had is the police
department so one of the things was we did discuss the police warrant on the new cars um and when I spoke to the chief I went back to him and he said that if you can have it just on the one
car beneficial um there's a repair is that is pretty expensive so we have the extended warranty in that battered it would be cover how um car three is one of our hybrids
and it just hit over 105,000 miles the other not far behind I guess not far behind 102 103 and that's my overall coming rep anyway next yeah this the high the uh current
uh request for the extended warranty is on the brand new hybrid that hasn't even hit the the road yet um that would cover this brand new car that's coming to the door so if my notes are correct we had and check on this but we had 35,000 in
vehicle maintenance is that the line carrying it in yes and we discussed if we took the extended warrant warranty out we discussed reducing it by 10,000 or reducing it to 10,000 so 25,000 okay so we're we're
valuing the extended warranty at $10,000 and did both cars need through replacement with the vet I think she's added three the one three warranties in there not you're not cutting it 10,000 she added three warranties in
there the warrant several warranties not just correct I only ask you now for the one so it's not the maintenance that's going down we're just eliminating right several extended warranty now we're only talking about one for 3500 no I get it but it's in the
vehicle maintenance line item it's where you carried it right so so it's not going down by by 10,000 it be going down by 3500 or whatever the cost of one warranty is 7500 you're taking two out of there two we're keeping okay we have
that's what the coun wants to do is 3500 it's, 32 value is 35 and what has it extended up to uh six years and 100 600
yeah 100000 15,000 miles said 102 105 on three but which one has the new battery well the new car the new car hasn't beened which one are we expecting last the new one the brand new new new car
that hasn't hit the road yet right so does car three or car four have the replaced uh I couldn't tell you which we have we have two hybrids in the fleet um three and five are hybrids and I don't know which one had the
and that was the concern a new battery for the car get if it has to be replaced is a $20,000 Hybrid battery wow yes5 for warranty correct which now we we put a second car in the fleet you're talking about you
know hopefully rest on these cars which is is the plan resting these cars a little bit more frequently with an additional car again we have we we have our occasional issues we weren't expecting the Tahoe to get hit and be out for you know six months right
Anything Could Happen new car can blow up tomorrow so I got get on the road first now can extend warrant purch later PR correct um in the all the years you had your gas
vehicles um what was the I how much mileage did you get out of gas vehicles before repl I mean it's hard to say because we've never had this many issues with cars go in and out of service um but yeah we were typically replac in cars at
80,000 miles a 5year rotation we're getting one car in and out every year between 100 and 18050 yeah I mean well that's hard to say too because we would push those to the traffic Fleet and now they're you know they're more idle and so already
have 100000 mil can we are we of shop uh war first or do we have to deal with this one dealer I think you have to go with the de you get it from oh you don't have to oh no no there's a dealer that I know
Oklahoma so I don't know we didn't have my opinion I yeah we had was under warranty period that it failed so so what's the what's the standard warranty on the vehicle when you first
get it 5 year 100,000 mil 60,000 right currently were extended to the five right this isre 11 but I'm saying like so you know it's like an insurance
policy they pay cover your but if it does happen if not you know take the risk but we could battery I did speak with SE who's the guy that works at the cars at the DPW I mean in general he just said he
was a bigger fan of the gas cars because he's just had less issues with that but that's a mood issue in the sense that we've got the high grades sure he just said the the parts and the and the you know Replacements on those are much higher so you know a lot of work a lot of the work correct so he you know again
his recommendation was that which is what I kind that's kind of why I pushed for at the last meeting just was to get the warranties just because he said it just kind of covers your butts if anything does come up but I realized there's cost to it if you think about it
Advertiser was a life of the V essentially yeah so but think I was going V gu's go back to the video so so the question is so the question is right now we're carrying 35,000 the question is
are do we want to so it's it's an increase of the 10 and that was why it came up was because it was a 25 and that Z that includes that includes zero extended for right so if we if we added
how many we're just we're just adding one they're asking for one oh okay a new vehicle then different okay so the one is just 35 not I guess it was initially for three right now it was 10K correct okay but now by the time you do the
other two those will be most likely replaced by a newer vehicle in that that cycle so right okay doesn't seem to make sense to do that so we had it we had it at 35 we put it to 25 now we're saying bump it up to 285 to cover the warranty
is that right maybe we can use this guy in Oklahoma your guy you have state contract in Oklahoma have you had any other issues outside of out of warranty that we had to repair out of pocket uh I mean yeah we
had rear end blow we had you know in there two is supposed to get a brand new transmission in because that's you know that's covered so but yeah that's and that was the other thing looking at my year-over-year maintenance budget um
last year was 25 and we were right up against that with like like 24 and change so we've been pretty added cars too been pretty much on the mark well this is maintenance budget it's not cars yeah
I inot exion [Music] warranties I know it's interesting how smart everyone is within their own F like it's amazing to see people knowledge
it's learning and are we sure that it covers the battery yes it covered the first it covered the first went two lost the battery and we had to replace it it would have been 20,000 however warant we can confirm
that the extended warranty includes the battery said that pre previous vehicle do no that was the initial warranty yes we're adding one so we're making we're making it 28,000 28 and the other that we had in Police
Department was the Civic plus social media it's under office Mach 240 1960 Mach it's the next page I didn't change
sorry I'm just getting what were we thinking about social media arching and all that that we it's in the line so we kept it in um you know I was saying Chief had the concerns about transparency if we take stuff down
it just was a do we know what the cost of that is3 is that an annual cost every year Well Nancy you and I were just at that that film conference and chief Handover police was talked about using social
Med important for right two-way communication it's not just one way expensive we just keep adding and add other but this is about archiving when I spoke to so they're in charge
of and you know what they opras and and what we have to Archive what we can destroy and I guess does that certain things like emails and I guess social media you can request to AR to
destroy going back a certain amount of years or whatever the case is so that would would have to remove that data from your social media account yourself
yes without this if you didn't have the software no no no even if you have thew what they're scoring is amount doesn't have to be dawn of the internet every single one of us is older than the internet
so years really wait a minute yeah I guess it's a question of you know is this something that should be part of the operating budget of the police department if we want to allow them to have this two-way communication with the public that they currently have
it's an expense that make the budget for every year period um it's best practice it's I think in this day and age it's I mean it's what's people expect it expect it it's a lot of what the push back was that we heard from residents year that
they don't see that there's enough transparency so for us to cut something that we're currently doing seems to me like we move backwards instead of moving forward um just seems a bad a bad U decision yeah I absolutely agree that it
we should keep it my question is are there are there other Alternatives or is this it is this the only company that does it and do they do it at you know other like I don't I don't know anything about right is this the only company that does this no I don't believe so I
do believe it's the one we've looked into it's the most heavily used you know by police departments and across the board and I think it was more I think we could look into it if it's approved I think it was kind of so what I would say is my my opinion yeah is that we carry
it for this year but we we put a as sign saying let's look into other services absolutely see if there's Alternatives that cheaper is not the right turn because I people think keep maybe less costly let's not forget that because
last year when we put this into place I think the same thing I know was wasn't in the budget last year but this certainly to 5000,000 I mean I'm public safy I'm happy to look into it orend a little for
someone doing it I can do it myself the other thing I'll add if you don't mind is that um what I included with the budget packet is this is a soulle source because what this company offers is the fact that for us a you you can have up to 12 social media sites for the borrow
we use two we have our Instagram page we have our Facebook page so there's the ability to add again to to ny's point if you don't want to leave it under my operational budget it has the opportunity to add however many other Pages the borrow has that allows comment or posts or whatever that you might have
to recall for an oppr request the other thing that this allows the police department to do is if we allow comments on our social media pages and somebody mentions a flagged word of bomb threat active shooter and AC of violence it triggers that and
automatically sends representatives to the department a push notification hey you had an indication that there's some type of active you know threat or violent you know statement on your social media sites um wherever that might be be and it alerts us there's not another service at least according to
them with their sole source letter that you know their proprietary software on that okay yeah so that that and that thank you Chief that's what I want to understand is that what what separates them from somebody else you explained it but it sounds like for that for that $
5,183 we could add up to 10 more pages to it the problem with that is that we don't have an admin for our social media accounts in the going to be watching like you have to monitor that and make sure you're answering it otherwise the information get stay out
people get more Angry if you're not answering them so we don't we don't allow I'm not saying I'm not saying we do allow it I'm saying it's included in the cost you have somebody that watches we do yeah there's uh three or four different admin people that you know get
text messages or respond to messages and part of the reason why we leave it is because sometimes we get the occasional for your comment on you know issues throughout town and that we monitor so talk is people's emergency we we have use it for Crime Stoppers tips and things like that on
investigations so I mean less likely than you our lost St us they're members of the correct we've done that before missing person Endangered Person you delete comments um there is a caveat on our
page you know language that's what this will allow you to do get rid of the stuff you don't want but it's still archived okay and that was you know that was their point about you know whether you use archive social or Civic plus they're form
archive social but you know if we put up a post um and Tyler comments on something and then realizes oh I want to take my post down he deletes his post everybody else had commented in response to Tyler's thing that that post is gone and we could still be subject to having
to reproduce that so what's the name of Civic plus a lot of yeah it's a big compy I and if you look at you know I I I can certainly share that with all of you the number of entities in public
safety they de in mors County they're they're with a majority of them but again to the mayor's Point listen that price isn't ever going down right it's it's an anomaly that you take on and you there's going to be incremental increases
[Music] Inc I know I'll look into it I mean I'll my research on it we can find something similar that's you know the next that we had was prevention
and into the software I SP no go for it I mean was a question if they had bought that software already and we adding secondary he said he never
approval Jason he said purchas itance with us he told he just said he didn't have it and something he wanted so thought was much
needed it's not add2 is not an additional proper it's an addal purchase no I think you requested at the at the last year at this budget meeting right correct right no right yep that's 100%
requesting it again really wants so what do the software do remind me 3D the oh right he he gave me a breakdown that's
try but essentially that's what it does is it provides to who what do you mean is it in all the trucks training they I didn't ask that question but I imag it's in all the trucks
responds go it goes into the system and it shows like a almost like a 3D kind of like floor plan I guess you could say so they're able to see the entrances and exits and if they know where the fire is coming from and it sort of provides them a
outline of the building before they go as compared to just not having much or just looking at the in the building and they can the door truck it's in the truck or is it on laptop so on something like that doesn't
doesn't the chief have something in his vehicle outside there that would I was say Under Fire Prevention or fire department dep it should be that's the case it should be provided in Chief's
vehicle I would think he has the big screen on a on not on a computer screen or something probably multiple photo database it'll be all the fire apparatuses and provide important safety information when responding to Fire and
emergency calls requested it last year but was um you know turn down at that point um he said it's and it's for the pre-planning of commercial buildings that's what I was having trouble remembering so he was anch for things like the warehouses you know just the
huge buildings that would be of higher concern um I mean I'm newer to this I mean he's telling me they need it I sounds like it could be helpful we did a drill one time it was either warland
or honey well and it was all the cubicles turned off the lights you black out your mask you don't know where you're going touching this touching that you have no idea so I don't know if that has that kind of detail but well it's you have a heads up display helmet once you're out there you're out but yeah
exactly being truck like a pre- this you know take the left yeah but don't you have that already doesn't count provide that disch get I know they they were talking about active shooting that
police you think the hasd maps of our commercial buildings [Music] really they computer what's that computer Square so computer Square was a a program software
sof that the county was doing and then the county starts municipalities that you tap into well this is new for 2025 $4,000 100% we're guessing here
y um than you so what's the What's the total cost of the software $ 28,42 28 I mean sorry 22800 sorry 2842 and it went up it went up from
2678 last year8 so so he's he's requesting the 2842 but that's that's going to be a yearly cost with that same incremental increase the 2842 is mobile eyes which
you already have the 2500 is the second sof yeah the yearly fee is 2500 and I I can assume eventually yes was that updated we didn't change it the
original he gave me a breakdown of all which was helpful explanation discussing it at the last budget meeting and and someone was going to get more information about it to see whether we wanted to do it yeah and I think Tyler Ty got that so I think my question
is do the other um the other municipalities use the same software like is it concurrent to like com right we go to Mor airport or something did not ask that question but I do know we have one truck one truck that's shared services so that would be
other right but right well I gu I'm thinking of when the the one was up there yeah that so but I'm not I'm not saying no I'm just asking the question is can you you go back yeah I don't have that and
say hey is this a I would say they always discuss it's called Black Meadows our group so like you said Mor s they usually are the Chiefs meet regularly I'm a little
stepped out of the but um they yeah I think I'm assuming they did that assumtion but I'm not saying they wouldn't or they didn't but that would make sense that's a great question me too I just it's just for edification I don't think it it doesn't really Bo the value of course right right exactly
because if we're just if we're not only if we're mapping our buildings for other departments that's helpful them and then vice versa right if they're mapping it for us then you know it's all shared like you know the going back tol right
the other towns use sdl um for records management so all the inspectors are familiar with it when they go out and use it right so it's a it just kind of makes sense any it doesn't really impact my decision
but so I would say yeah let's keep it in I think it makes sense I agree yeah the main thing I ask is just like is there other programs Etc it sounds like again this is the preferred one this is the one that's used I just didn't who else
uses sure yeah I'll callely comp and then if there's a process once the plans change like the warehouse puts a whole bunch of partion WS that needs to be back into the system or else wor assume that I does
from building that activates the abely and then thing that I had on on fire prevention and wasn't P but I know I spoke to um Tyler and about the arson
Association and at the time um he had told he had it wasn't approved so now the budget is being approved so the question is if the B going to allow an additional Association for the fire prevention
official to be part of so where is that picked up the cost it's only $148 year yeah I think she's got 3,000 it's it's in there
yeah that would be we say we need to increase the 3,000 or that's included as part of the 3,000 he put it he he has us included I guess the question is you know I know with associations there's certain associations that the the council allows
department heads to be part of and usually they encourage department heads to be part of their Association and maybe the County Association and state this would be in addition to the regular
Association ARS Association approve off I don't know if it's really necessary my opinion I don't know if it's necessary again discussion incremental increases U but the count the county
does all the ARs investigate have AR team shff comes of CHS police suspects that there's
that over them I don't think individual sounds to me like it would involve training as well Chris Chris said the opposite what the said that they don't respond we have to determine if we think it's our and then they'll come down so if you don't have someone that's qualified
Association $148 to get into $3,000 train no just the just have to a check yeah I don't think there is but he explained to me it's a onetime fee of 148 and then
that's it then you're in to to so the license Association are totally different things but do so for that Association is it a yearly thing that you this said one that's what he told me he said it's just the
148 a year but but not I don't believe that we would incur other so but to your to your knowledge right he just asked to be part of the association but he didn't mention anything about training so if there's additional I get it but not if he didn't
already ask bud so but he did go to the didn't heide the I think he should be as educated as he can be that's my opinion disagree with you ARG that's just my opinion I
was my voice just saying if you're going to hire a guy that's going to be our Fire Marshall and he goes on fire and he's like oh I don't know or I do and can or cannot call County I just think you should County no but they might get they might send out a newsletter update this
is the latest thing on electric vehicles like here's I mean yeah fre Electric um somebody should figure out how to a truck um training so in the training
budget he's only got a th bucks he's not asking him to increase that yeah it was just a question no no no it's a good question I'm just saying that I didn't the question about training is a good one but you didn't like said maybe there'll be a seminar coming up in 2026 who
know I'll him I mean he did not mention it but I'll double so our Personnel manual allows department heads to total [Music] City
copse yeah I think we understand think everybody appreciate it we're good with that so I can take the yes I'm done with my pin from I miss
anything um and I just W to so page 75 which is the principle on notes page5 princip so right
so uh we we were paying so I think the comment that was made last time is that the 59220 pays pays down this note the balance of the not pays the balance of the note and that's what's left on okay
and if we if we carry if we just paid the 374 520 or whatever we have to pay the balance is 74 520 that we have to pay that's the required that's required pay down we have pay4 no
7,520 that's what we have to pay okay um if we carry it obviously there's interest on it well we have to go out for notes being Hest you have a certain amount of period
that you have to pay and after that period balance of the paying off of the lad truck so we didn't agree to whether we were going to retire all of that we didn't make we didn't have a discussion and and come to an agreement as to
because we wanted to what else we had to explore with capital which is today's M so we didn't I don't think there was a consensus on that we want to pay that whole balance down that's right so yeah that's what that's what
he's saying that was still that had a pin in thank you I don't like to speak I appreciate it I had a notes and I figured it was um my gu asked about the interest rate so I did put the interest rate
4.3 so I guess I didn't take good not as I that's the the interest rate for do we know what with the notes I did look it up and it fluctuates I think the recent notes was between 4.5 and I think
one was six and I don't know if they just you hard toow read what is that my opinion and what I've done since I've been mayor is try to get the barel down to no Deb
and that would kind of be going against what I would like to see and do the budget is not right now here and now it's five years down the road longer I think very good spot bonds only have one Bond left to
pay off 10 years after next year I believe it is correct um to long that we've been very fortunate here at Maris plan to be able to pay that million and half dollar fire
TR we PA for right anyb I think M we haven't had a years like this money we got building department money
the was able to do this thank when you're going to add more in there then you're going to add another fire truck in there think yeah that's what's on the capital for today we haven't discussed I know
saying I I think that's on the table well that's actually you're not going to have a year we had building all thatu been going it's actually thing another P I had we only had 875,000 for
Capital Improvement but based on the sheet that Anna just gave us it looks like it's way more than that so that's a discussion we going to the top yeah so the first ordinance this ordinance was
already uh approved and we did a bond ordinance so we only did 5% okay so yeah so I need to obviously go through but um you look at um the
section down payment on Improvement um which is page 80 the backup that I have there was the open um so you'll see that um 905 of that total Street project is
still um un you yeah un okay so even with the payment of the current not to 592 320 we still have ordinance 1-4 with unfunded amount and the new
ordinance for this year with 95 so we have unfunded amount of 1 1.5 million and those are just based on roads those are those are two yeah those
are roads we've been paying down so we have been you know aggressive about paying down um and then this budget as well is an appropriation of additional 561 to pay down one
so that so we're looking in one year we're looking to pay off the 561 and 592 59 in this current budget right now it's 1.1 million now now if we want to do like you were saying minimum
that 74 I don't think we're saying minimum no from my knowledge you were telling me what the minimum was I was just saying apprciate that [Music] then I don't know want to discuss
Capital out yeah I gave everybody we'll talk about capital [Music] everybody the sheet this front sheet these are the proposed Capital budgets from uh the
Departments the first two are roads and again um those roads we already did ordinances for I did a temporary capital budget and then we did ordinance well the first one was um orance um I
believe it's 1-25 I think they were the first and second oh two 2-25 is the 953 and then 3-25 is the Improvement the sty Avenue now the amount that's there for the
improvements the style of Avenue this is after the grant that we're anticipating getting from doot and after uh pment as well because it's a shared service with from the water yes we had to do that one this year because
of I'm not mistaken because of the grant the this year the grant only has a light a Shel for so long so have know we're not paying it out what was your um policy again about
roads how many like these roads here Cleveland close to they're all close to 20 plus years old some of these that are half roads are just because of the water authority and the gas company that went through and did only half a road so
instead of having to do half the road in 10 years and then another half is whatever we've been trying to catch up with those projects doing the half road so that when the road comes up in 20 years we'll do the whole Road
just yeah it looks like a jigsaw this is this is the last year of that this is everything is uh I believe believe everything now is is caught up halfway yeah so I'm looking at half road
project so that's why it's higher than the past two years it's because we had that water work done and we don't want to pave half a road for we don't want to leave it half pav so no which road are you talking about well I'm just looking
at the total for this year right for roads versus these so I'll just I'll use for an example like Cleveland Avenue right probably I don't know 100% that road is more than lik only PID half okay so we
try to do it in a short period of time so that when it comes up next you paid the whole Road right so we're not just Paving so those all those roads are CAU up that's Public Service in Water
Authority mostly Public Service Gas so those the Styles Avenue project in we had to enter into sh Serv water because of gr right so they're going we
got gr they're going to pay us for more us that's why you have styles here this year you already have lar usually spit it up you Road two and
one correct usually do one large road yeah that's but that's that's a problem and then the gas company is going to come up next couple years come up from but what my point is it's higher
this year because of all the theity okay it iser I'm looking at this this expense for 2025 and then the other we to keep not as high
typically that's all just I just Mak understand you said so just looking at your sheet the sheets out 22 on your backup sheet2 95350 but what we're seeing here on the
capital project sheet it's 953 because I put it down um so we're required from the capital Improvement fund to put uh 5% down so we're not going that's not unfunded that got it got it got it okay and that amount was
47,50 and that's difference okay thank you so then the next project is DPW so I'm looking at the locker but I think we have money in buildings and grounds for that I don't know want to move that out of capital my opinion ask for a couple
years 15,000 is get to it light town once in a while we don't use it certainly every day a couple times a month probably we use it sometimes
dur I think is to happen you have the county have Morris count you have Morris count which they also share their CL
as that because I know nothing about anything so what is ack flush out the storm drains like 30 years old truck years old use to flush the SE
lines if the SE lines back up it creates a hazardous waste clean up which is pry costly Clean Catch Bas in town the state you but there's a new storm Water Act regation to come out so they will need the flush more often so okay get some
say it has to be done this year but they're saying this thing's just unand pool he he say should be considered you know he's been asking for for the past couple years good
thing it can be pushed is there is there um is there because it's a vehicle we can't split the cost over over a couple years right it has to be all once
just just looking at this budget project and 3.7 million I don't think question my question question was if we if we wanted to say if we agreed to yeah ear Mark say I don't know a quarter of it this year can we do that
over four years you'd have to you'd have to budget the whole thing and then add it into the buget correct we would do a bom ordinance so where we put 15 I mean sry 5% down on Capital Improvement towards it and then we could fund it in the
future similar to how we do fire trucks right the same well and then some of that weend have tosend money but that allows us to get the and I'm not saying we do it I'm just asking
so I know that allows us to get the vehicle and then pay it off over time what we it's de no I understand that but okay so Mike has Mike has a thought to me that you had a there are
grants available for certain oh yeah not not feasable no I think we need to I don't think we need to do this this year next year I think we can into it but even the shared services might still be cheaper
well um do we want to look at the other two items 2026 and 2027 um DPW does have um in 2026 we're looking for a hook lift dump truck with attachments wa is that do we have that page no so what I'm
saying we're not doing the for 700,000 maybe we could do what they're looking for in 2026 and then we have more room for the truck in 2026 well I would say before Jason's point we're at 3.6 million so
before we replace it let's go through what we have in front of us and then if we come back my suggestion I think just saying what what's projected because you might not know so some some departments will say hey in 5 years my I want lower the high the bigger cost so one of it's
like a crane I gets on the back no it's a it's a hook so they can put different bodies on the back oh like my kids dumpster flat
got what else I don't I don't so we did that we did that last year um again we mve the project up from this year up to previous year the following something for 2026 and something for 2027 so if you can't get
the presser truck my question is SW priorities and say let's get something from one of his wish list from the future year that he's going to need we get it now in this year and then we push off the flusher truck to next year
costs I think you have the same a lot of paper been a long week water reading it were reading about not oh this is from John that's
John's email I just printed his email but yeah I didn't have that there is a line you got good eyes Grand and you 50 6 depend what you want on all that so by time you're done
with [Music] tax so what do we think we Pi one of other trucks this year's that they moved the project up year basically just got the Le B Mow I think got this from last year had purchas it
at the end of last year this k are we leaving it in are we taking it out or we uh are we moving on well taking the truck the question was do we want to pick up one of these other items instead
that's at a lower price okay okay so item number three is the fire department so they're asking for of things I was looking at
um our prior ordinances and the amounts of you know the funds that we have still left in some of these um as far as um a turn half here he has requested that from um last year
in one of our ordinances he asked for 65,000 in turnout here in 2024 he only spent 31,500 so there's 30,000 left in that ordinance for turnout
GE you know which that was yes 44 185 is cover9 well I went down to turn up here first wait so so what's the balance 35 well he requested 65 he only spent 31500 yeah he said that was very
important cross that off [Music] we still have money last yeah but it depends on what's in that radios all right okay um so the first uh the Scott PSI carbon cylinders beinging
after so we have funds in ordance how wein fire truck okay so we did have a balance of 110,000 110,000 right left and then we're saying we can use 20 we can cover the breing operatus we can use it for
that so the ordinance says um that it's for it's for the fire truck but it's also for equipment right so the problem not it's not a problem but if we fully fund that
ordinance in this year's budget and it's fully funded then I don't have an issue with using it for fire department equipment if it's not fully funded and we go out for notes the other Riders have um an
issue with the life of the of the project So currently fire trucks are whether it's 20 years or 19 years yeah carbon cylinders are five right so now
you're you're kind of devaluing devaluing the and if you have to go out for bonds then you know it does become an issue even though it does say in in the orance that it's for Fire Equipment me that it's the truck when you say
fully F what does that have to do well currently in the budget that's that 592 that will fully fund the project once you know that's paid and there's no more on it and okay so we want to add this 110,000 to that we want to make sure of
that 592 that we looked at definitely include this no not the whole thing no the the the 592 is already is make funded so then we we we have 110 unspent money in addition to the fund well no
from it's not an addition the the actual unber Bond .4 million so they loan you you know 1.4 million you spent 1.3 have 100 that but
you still ow on the 1.4 we basically pay so do we want to pay it back or keep in using this is the whole we could use it to fund some of these of these things but the whatever this is
20,000,000 off 110 whatever maybe we can check off some right some of these other ones the you know the mini P upgrades but my question is though do we have to fully find the whole 592 or just this
110 piece of it no the the whole 592 so9 592 is is our de we have 110 left over funds okay okay got it sorry Jason it says if a bank loans you money
and you have the 100,000 in your in your bank account you can spend it you know but you still have to pay back the 600,000 because you know you spent five already that's 592 that's weed I
know 110 is unallocated kind left over that we can apply this right even if we pay the full but if we don't we don't pay this whole balance then we don't have this extra well no we
we still have the 110 what I'm saying is hamr that for the fire truck my concern is the valuing the what's being transferred to
a notes or Bond because right now their notes are saying it's for a fire truck which is useful life of 20 years yeah you know if you're going to be spending it on something that's not a youthful life of 20 years you want to fully fund it right so Anna what's your suggestion based on that they want to
pay the 592 down gotten the right okay that's where we're going but you but we can do it and what happens like is there a red flag I guess you're worried you're worried about something no no not not well I would be
hesitant to use this 100,000 that's left over on anything that has a understand what what's what's the problem you get slapped on the knuckles by a teacher like what what happen no if we don't when we go out for notes
we're not going to get [Music] halfers are to look at you spend it on things that you know okay but it's a it's not a guarantee it's it's a calculated risk what with high probability of
a yeah I'm just saying right okay all right what else so which which of these projects were you thinking we would check off with that 110 balance the first one the first one uh the mini
pumper upgrades okay the radio the new radio for the mini pumper right uh the battery electric fans and then um the Mercury quick attack monitors and the thermal imaging
cameras that would be a total , how much 81,00 800 all under ordinance 119 except for that 202 yeah the 10 portable 2A radius that's not covered no no the turn
GE oh so everything else here no not that's not included and then the TRU the new truck so those are the only two that are potentially not covered under ordinance correct correct okay I say you put the
radios just the radiance out of those projects oh you're saying the 32,000 for the 10 portable okay all right well let's let's keep going because we want to see what else we're the same thinging by turn
out what about the engine we going talk about that my opinion by time this vehicle they told years 27 or 26 year old vle now by time it
comes that's what happens with the ins is it the insurance at 30 years they don't cover the vehicles anymore or what what happens with the you start not being able to gets right so second your does
go I guess because it doesn't say 1500 supposed to be out stand time frame for L was 27 they try to get 20 pushing to pushing all what capital number are we trying to
say under so I can I can tell you what we've since 2019 and that was the year that was3 million okay 2020 was
1.2 2021 was 1.1 20234 okay thank you pretty good thank you Jason I mean we're
already we're already at a million 1.5 with the roads right so if you look at 2024 we're at that just with our road projects I mean the4 alone will put us up forious years
so um so are we suggesting that engine 4 can get pushed off that my question is since the road projects are so high this year is this the right year to do
that no the roads are already committed talking about the the truck yeah but the thing is it's over three years so we're just putting like a little seed down right unless she saying to we'll be able to fund it'll be able to fund it next year
after it won't show up this year 5% 5% no but we're including it and trying to get under these numbers here this 2.3 was our last time right but you're not using hanging out there you're not fing it this year just lay out like
$6,000 Grand my point is those numbers you just read off are the other years that we're comparing this year to right and we want to try to stay within those numbers I'm just giving you a record but we already know we're at half we're at half more than half of that with just our Ro so when we bought the
million and half dollar I know that and so that with the entire into so that's know late the thing
isss right they can make the cost go up over a barrel now aluminum is going to go up and F trucks all aluminum right yeah but who knows what's going to happen two years years months I wouldn't want to push another I
want to push right but what we're saying is we don't have to carry the 1.4 million we could do 70,000 and that brings that brings our total down by and then next year to have a good year you can that's h no but the
1.4 stays in his capital budget yes we can't make this number 7,000 no this number stays 1 whatever the toal come we have to find 5% so that's where the 70,000 comes in this total is this
total so that's why I was looking at this year being heavy on roads we want to be heavy on a piece of equipment too that was like my only question but you know stay within the 30 years and we want to pay it off in three years then we're
kind of like I mean that's the goal I don't know whether get this one in three years because antip L money all that stuff pay down our debt buy someu when we were able to all the aluminums coming
from Canada right 25% 1.4 I don't think he's very ACC yeah whatever but I don't think that what they say going up the but the whole body the most weight
of it is all the cabinets all right so the question I guess is whether or not we do that 1.4 million this year or next
year I we do it this year so we're already at what 2.5 you're commit to it okay yeah I'm learning I mean okay yeah but you know it's coming you know
the 1.4 is coming it has to be because the truck will be 30 years old I know but I'm just saying this one here don't look at the next one is um fire prevention so he's looking for a new vehicle upgrad um
the vehicle he gave us a quotes for 5149 um another one was 5429 for what kind ofle this is going to be for um exp this would replace the car that he
got from the p no no what do you mean keep that for like other INSP he said our proposal is to purchase a new Ford Explorer as UB take the off of this current vehicle and will be less
much used much less by our two prdm fire inspectors at this time we do not want to eliminate the 2015 Charger just step it down from the everyday use that is a sen our inspectors are at times still
using the personal vehicles when two or three of us are out conducting inspections at the same time also I can be used to transport fire Personnel to events and training if needed since it will not be considered a front line
response vehicle a new SUV will be able to carry the much needed equipment and supplies that is used each and every day carrying Out Inspections and responding to emergencies when you have any Vehicles
the vehicle itself is 50 it could be up to 54,000 then the equipment the fee proposed for that is over 28,000 which BRS us to 82300 my opinion is you
push, I agree and I think going full time was were supposed to be other inspectors need anyone so I I to agree that we only need the one right now say is we always got handy Downs for
the police department very grateful for complaining but we did get a new Chiefs vehicle pickup truck but we've always gotten 100,000 M Vehicles so the only new vehicle a pick I'm say I
agree I don't think we but I think get a million half fire truck that's a different I know fire department but different and look at all the stuff we gave here well I'm not complaining I'm
just my question would be is this is this a must I'm G to ask a question but I kind of know the answer I'm just put it out there to ask it right is this a must have because the vehicle they have now doesn't meet the needs that they they have or is just a nice to have because it would it would help them out
well the superintendent wrote a letter saying how bad that vehicle was and how we shouldn't and fire department and it should be never given anybody but we voted I'm getting on the same that's documented in our minutes that was when he was part
time and didn't have a vehicle at all and he was grateful to have it so he and we restricted what they could invest in it like you know One S plug a year it was like very limited talking about the Char it was very very awkward
it's not a first response vehicle even though it's being used for that it's not keeps those Vehicles beautiful true so my my question is based on what you just said I was
right so so based on that information right what is the are we are we kind of just waiting until that thing dies and then we're going to be like he's going to be out of vehicle okay that's what could happen
that vehicle old give you a little history we were going to junk the vehicle yeah and then for some reason thing looks like the nice V in the whole Fleet I get it but mechanically sound if
something I asked I mean I I talked to question but if something does happen they have they have's three other chief that potentially can I say something town did an inspection on two of my buildings
they came with fire truck inspectors they didn't have any vehicles I couldn't believe it a fire Tru wi also isn't Department we're not so saying have a vehicle P department they came with a fire trck
I'm like there's no fire that's to expect oh my God no I get it so I guess my the reason I was asking the question is because if the vehicle it might look nice right but mechanically the vehicle is like on its last legs and it you know
then why are they going to if we do it now we're doing kind of preventive Mains right getting something ahead of ahead of the game or we wait till it dies and then we have we have to go make a decision at that
yeah so is a $55,000 SC necessary or do we go with a cheaper verion or an EV that Chief can you US Electric V thought I can't charge it let talk what we going say oh you can get them
forakis are being used in New York City which ones theic okay um four doors wag and hatchbag it's functional especially if you're just driving around here level to charge is easy to install so we just
have to see what the 30k upgrades for but 100% El there issu with batter weather yeah they get cold but if you're if you're driving 10 miles around here that's not the only thing I would interject on
the EVS is when we research it for law enforcement use you can't drill through the floorboard you can't D through the drill through the ceiling so you can't attach you know Ro maped lights you can't drill through the interior so you can't just what we learned from Tesla I
I don't know about the M oh yeah Tesla we're not M lak we can't so I don't want I say we can probably wait another year andak L really well I think we should I think we should do due diligence right and and
work to see if there's other options out there that are maybe doesn't does have to be less costly right Jeep Jeep not sayger than the charger bigger than the
Charger $54,000 Vehicle and $48,000 Equipment right so questioning equipment I'm just questioning right the cost of the vehicle right it's the same thing as the police car he's fully equipped like cage radi that's what I'm saying if
we reduce the cost of the vehicle I think there's two things here there's his role as fire prevention with a lot of inspections right and then there's his role on the fire department and he's trying to get a vehicle that going to do both right because he wants to respond
and have everything he needs at the fire working around town doing his inspections so it's like another fire department vehicle really is what he's asking for want to keep this car it's in such bad shape we don't want is responding to
something vehicle breaks down I know but these guys got I can't equip everybody all the time in the vehicle I think it's something still rning yeah I like I said I think let's just let's just look at
alternative options I don't really I me I just know he's conc is it like we're to push this off going I got it yeah I was just going to say I know I have it so it's all part of
the okay but the current pry much radio has everything they just kind us I'm not questioning equip I'm just saying I think well that goes with the
car so if we got a different car so I guess next year that would be so I think saying is let's let's not let's push off the 823 minim of I something got to give unfortunately
in the S like and I get that a fire truck and a fire vehicle but how many miles probably 300,000 no charger the charger on the one we
have now 108,000 yeah is probably 300,000 okay so this is four out all these are out for coming they spank all the money
already sorry go ahead please thank you we have number five we have four items in the police department looking for again when I looked at some of our open ordinances there was one item for the automatic license P beer for
10,900 that's ordinance number 10-23 now granted uh the chief did spend all his money to automatic License Plate Reader but we still have some funds left over from other projects in that
ordinance that came in lower okay so right now we have 20,000 as of the end of 2024 we have $20,000 left um we do have the planer that's still not purchased
the road department no um this 10,000 no the planer is no I know but out of that 20,000 we're still going to air mark 2500 towards the planer that's still on St so we still have money in this
ordinance oh Goa for the 10,900 anyway matter 75 so weuse of some of the the rotary clock was 200 last so we have
no no that's it yeah when I look at ordinances like I said the verbage and the language in the orance is important yeah which is what I was saying with theor you know it said you have to look at it and say can you spend it because that's what it
was so so we are using the 175 yes 109 109 buy one already second one we hav bought the automatic license PL readers we did
spend money we have back in 2023 right right yeah on four this would be number four and that just tells you if they're stolen or not right those a whole H things for us investigative stuff but
again it ties in with um other police departments right so it's not just our current system right and it ties in statewide right okay there's like an amber alert or something like that missing person missing person down in per boy and drives through one
of our gateways right fix it up uh we do a whole h of things like if we got if we listed unregistered Vehicles we it'd be a d doesn't every five minutes but this is more you know stolen vehicles stolen license plates missing persons missing d
persons and then after the fact there's cameras on it that allow us to record back and say oh you know we want to see if abc123 came through this Gateway because we had a theft or a burglary we can track down the date the time even and the passengers that were the vehicle
really cool you is it's covered yes okay um then we still have the other three open so the the speed alert 24 radar what is
that it's a radara trailer and baral Message Board help would help us with our traffic enforcement and then the borrow uh a year or two prior to been desires to getting another like small Message Board to alert for local community events we could tow it out you know Rab's clinic today it would allow
us to do certain things like that small messages rather than Towing them down from the county so I mean it would tie in already with our other uh speed sign that we have MH same system okay you SE yeah is it is it is it like a just
like the orange lettering or is more yeah the orange lettering and it's not as large as the county variable messages board that you see I know small messages and things like that so do we already have one this would be our
first and and not you know just one of the things that we it's a wish not a want that's tce right now we do borrow the yeah do County sound boards when we have to close for schue for the larg construction projects we do
show it's hilarious it's funny that two years in a row wow what iel that sign yeah good it's probably I probably misspelled it you're just copyed my work okay I got
another salesman so the the replacement is this just one AED or multiple no that is six aeds there is a uh a turn in rate that we would save $1,800 if we turned in what we currently have five my thought
would be to you know take what we have and give them to little lead for at the park and the one at the community center I think is a little aged and I Jerry was looking at a different so Chief these are replacements for ones that are aging
yeah they're 25 23 years old said that and this is new technology that you know right now we have to change pads um for infant versus adult CPR this has upgraded technology and custom with you know the
current you know shock rate that's medically improved I mean fun functional I mean the Trad Val $1,800 for it's not like you know you're cutting down I think the trading value $1,800 so
if you wanted to put them at the snack in at the at Simons and is it going to cost us anything to get oh we use them now we currently use them how often do you I I ran the numbers uh last year we probably applied them 40 40 or 50
times so if you said so this cost is 14300 is a cost for all six of them so it's roughly 2300 2400 that sounds right yeah this would put a new one in each vehicle is that yes six
okay okay no uh and then so so far I'm I'm where I'm at anyway is that the the radar message sign is a nice to have right it sounds like the ads are a must have and then
the alpr we can fund through a cover under ordinance right so now now the big one is the so why you explain to the op so the feasibility study
um it wouldn't be an ordinance it doesn't have useful life for five years what we normally would do would we do a resolution that's approved by two3 of the council um and it has to be funded by Capal the whole thing is need
to be funded in order to um pass the resolution so that's option one second option would be to um we know how much the the Project's going to
cost we do the orance for the entire project first before we do the architect and then that cost will come out from the line what
line in my conceptual plans line or the general fund well in your line corre under whatever we want to call it so you're saying the option one was it has to go it has to go in the operating budget no
it doesn't have that's option one that's one option one of the options one of the option is move it from capital right and fund it in the general buget it can't really be a capital project it can't be not in
ordinance unless well it could be funded in the capital but not an a resolution that has to be unless we take the cost of the whole project as an ordinance and then fund this as part of it correct if we were to know that the
project was $13 million we do an ordinance for $13 million and then the ordinance you know 5% down you know for future funding then we can hire whoever it is for this study to find out what the
actual costs are going to be and then that those costs can be a certain [Music] amount how do we know step we have initial estimates this
this breaks down the even more yeah Des the initial cost of the whole project you have that one's basically 7 million and one's 11 million million yeah I mean there's we have several different schemes out there
right now because our last conceptual plans committee was uh a discussion amongst the group to say let's because we scheme one that was you know out the front and out the back and then we had offsite and then the group collectively said all right let's take a look at what we could do if we just did out the rear
side so we had another plan drawn up so at the same time uh because the architecture wants to Contin Architects continue on to work with us they shared some additional plans for offsite and then the onsite so we have you know several different schemes going and
again not my area of expertise Dave Schultz's points if we spend this Mone that I'm requesting you know it could be applied to any one of those options that we go through we just get deeper into you know and bolts of it okay so my my problem with this is spending 200 before
the council even made a decision on if they're even going to spend don't you have you have pretty close numbers of 6 million and 8 million and I'll say but that's not with like desks and chair
bring what this does is just basically bring down to you know where you're going to put outl lights and switch plates and the whole nine doesn't it doesn't that's like more of a finish yeah it doesn't affect the cost the Finish cost it breaks down the plan even
more 11 milon yeah depend on how you know again material costs and that the 200,000 was going to show you the additional cost for the outlets and you're saying all that's includ this is just this will give us whichever one we go with whatever scheme this will give us the
definitive whichever one the council chooses to go with or or not go with but it'll allow us to say all right we're going to allocate this it's again 200,000 is bpark is when we go out for an RFP a company come along and say you
know we'll do these plans for 100 but this was just a ballpark number of where we could end up so you know we choose L correct I thought this study was to add all the other little minutias that weren't
in no I the the estimates are the estimates and this will be all right you know where do you want this wall where do you want this door no this would come off the overall like an is saying the overall project cost if we decide to go the other room
yeah because that work this is more you know like it's in the AR you need you need to buy you need to hire an arit before the architect drawings are this is an inter step before architect drawings
are they say yes I I say kind of not right so when you go through that right okay you got a 12 by 12 room right where do you want the appet right you have a Compu how many hours cost1 whatever just make it up but we
don't have I'm sure that the estimates are what code would be right so Chief can you say what you said before about with your committee and Schultz say because what I'm trying to understand is
why why is this necessary and I think you said it but I didn't hear it correctly why why is it necessary to do ab study now if you already have a general idea of a plan right um this just gets you more owned in to those
plans correct okay and and why is that necessary to do now I think that helps all of you make the determination on which project you're going to you're going to go with when we go you know all right you know because you're already going have to pick which option ahead of time so you really put your eggs in that
basket so the 200k if you know what your if your electrical is going to be 250k versus 275k the decision we need to make is what option are we going to go and then move forward with that if we have because once you ask answer your question your architect is still going
to be doing it from point A to they're going to be in the field for construction so you're going to have your cd10 which is really just your outline your building and some Foundation plan just so you can get to the5 million Million number whatever it is and then as you get closer to see 50% of construction GRS get to see like 70
that's usually it goes estimate and that last 20 30% is when you're really putting on your finishes your curtains and all that other stuff you're saying that this covers that um I've never called it a feasibility study before so I'm not sure D is telling us yes that
that everything 200k is a significant cost so we have about 30,000 25,000 30,000 ined drawings right now they should almost finish yeah so
what answer isy what question is this trying to answer that's right that's getting at it's like if we if if we don't do this right how is the how is the project hindered if we don't how are we uninformed from what I understand it just delays it like but delays it how
right because understand P them to do up front work right right so to like to Mike's Point right like when you're looking at CD or DV CD drwings um design documents or construction documents um you're getting once you get to a certain point 70% or whatever they're doing that
detail anyway right so my question is if we're if we're doing this up front what is what do we lose if we don't do it might might be more of a question for Dave I guess right Mike I mean you're
not there's a third proposal out here that hasn't even been introduced I don't know you guys had meeting no we're going meeting right so they haven't even met with this third proposal conceptual con then it has to come to the council
the council has to say yes or no right whatever and then then go forward with this to me the feasibility is if they can if that plot of land over there is buildable like if you're doing like Environmental Testing
survey gech like that's the kind of stuff because it's Chief is one of the things like for example like if I think one of the proposals is potentially building over by where the team center is right um but
is one of the options that this feasibility C explores is if you wanted to keep the team Center or part portion of that the new plan keeps the team Cent that's what feasibility city does it breaks down the plans even more but the new scheme we just got is
one that just goes out the back here and one that's offsite but keeps the teen center the initial scheme the initial scheme got rid of the teen center but this new scheme keeps it we found out we have more land next to it in between that and the 911 um that we well they've
done they did they sent us like an initial conceptual like a conceptual and that's the idea behind this is to say all right earmark the funding right so that we meet conceptual plans and say all right this is this is the next phase of drawings you know the group wanted to
see all right just doing out the backside um and going you know up the floor so we have that plan with some additional plans that they added for you know the tab Road site so then we come back um with the conceptual plans everybody's you know you know and again
this all happens within this year so you know in early to miday we meet conceptual plans committee then the idea is we come in front of the council with these sets of you know three schemes and say all right which of these three schemes do you want to see us go with then we take that
$200,000 give or take whatever you know the RFP comes out when the bids come in and say all right okay we're looking for you to do all of the outlet covers switch plates you know you know cabling comes in with that for any one of these
coun coun Dees to whatever the whatever number say yeah we're going to do that you don't have the 5 8 10 12 million anyway so you go out for bonds then you put the money in there when you when you go out then and then you have the money
and you just keep we don't even know if this projects get off the ground the only thing that the feasibility study could cover is do you have floor ples in these conal no I think that would be the only thing because you're not laying out these actual rooms square
footage Oh you mean I was like like like inside so you have like your cor you where some stuff is going to be so functionally Bas functionally it works yeah so I think I mean let's talk about what do we think makes the most sense what would be the next STS we
were pretend this wasn't proposed what would be the next step for us as a council to move this forward they'll one not interested and if they are or not then I don't see it me I don't see this
being done much before ISD if some if the council decid y this is what we want to go through by the time you B get all your money and all that sort of thing in place we wouldn't be able to do that because you're
looking at the budg now right you okay so I feel like for me I'm I'm always speaking for myself U when I hear this this process that you just outlined here I do not feel like I should be making a
decision about million million expense I feel like it should be you're nodding but you haven't heard what I'm saying I know what you're saying I'm going to the public needs to be involved has to be a well I don't know if it's a
referendum or a town hall a series of town halls I would rather see this money allocated to educating the public about what our options are and making a decision as a community I'm not making that decision on I think counil
decision go whatever spending all that money youon you won't be tell to certainly involved that I think what the conceptual plans committee would do is pick the best plan for this location and
the best from there and there an Advisory Board to the council then bring that to the Council on the public and let like as we kind of discuss be able to let the public weigh in on what they feel is the best option based on pricing location and since we're not out of the
conceptual phase you have is how much budgeted to finishing the consensual work so we the plans should be done we just basically spent an extra 5,000 on that third scheme which was two schemes technically each round we're calling a
scheme so those are done so at this point at this point it's a decision so if we make a decision this year then we' need some sort of allocation for next steps from what I understand correct so
I 100% agree with you um but as far as what we're talking about here for this lineup this feasibility study right we we're I'm still not I'm sorry Chief I'm just not 100% clear on on what this $2,000 gets us like in my my head like
where like if we were to look at plans right and we look at them today looking at the details of where everything is laid out you're saying that's already part of these PLS right desks and chairs and doors walls and doorways are laid out now
not correct I get and all those and all those Square footages meet like what the prisons are all those architect is you know doc compliant yeah soil so so my so my question though is that this this additional
200,000 what I'm still not understanding what that gets us above and beyond what we already have that's what I don't understand yeah again I so nothing that you need right now to put the 200,000 care with an architectural Dr it's ter
that we don't need to do but it would help us keep moving forward but it would still require a decision Council before how would it help us because if we once we make a decision they're going to do the feasibility study it's a part of the process so it's
like it's either so you're saying once we make a commitment so once we go you know get the proposal go out to the public do all this stuff then we make a decision on which one we we want to go to you're saying this $200,000 goes toward building all those plans correct yeah and it gets taken out
of that right months that could be included the full process is we can make a decision we can do the whole and will be aie of it already in the should should on people like Mike
and Dave tell me you know where I go with this this was the recommendation from Dave I'm relying on somebody you know well not of but we have to think about how I think it's a it's a Communications and it's a perception
spending milon they had to follow this process where they had a referendum so they had public sessions and they had informational sessions so we should look at what that looks like and that's part of what I think this it would be similar
to the school decides to Mo the head I would like to see them propose to the council what that process should look like and that we approve that and get it going this year so that if we need a referendum in November we can do it well that's my concern is I
don't from what I understand this is getting pushed and pushed and pushed and we have a non-compliant police department the facility here so I mean I have an issue with that as a resident so that's you% agree with that I think I think where I'm at is if this if this is
going to be part of that whole cost of a project right let me state it a different way my concern is that if we don't approve this $200,000 are we are we hindering the project by not that's my concern I and I don't have an answer I mean I think
that's more of a Dave Schultz question I guess right a question for coun what what's the what are they going to draw up right what are they drawing up if we approve the $200 what are they drawing on they do anything they don't know whether it's over there whe it's here whether it's
nothing whether it's anything next I think if there's a way to pull the 200 out if we approve the project and combin it and pull it out I think Chief and I would be okay with I say Chief and I because I want to support the chief and what
right and they're going to put manag reserve on itd I I want I believe there might be an expense for them to prepare a educating the public you know I'm sure you have some information illustrations
and stuff but like to put together a presentation that might there might be a cost associ pictures and everything we can't we can't that come off the cost of the total project done well and that was the idea that this 200,000 would come off the top of whatever project we all
you all chose I don't know if you can afford 200,000 in the line or in here the bonding you know um the more capital budget is a threee plan okay so the first year would be what we're doing
here but I also put in what you know the DPW have requested for year two and year three and those numbers go in there so so you've already got money spotted in there for next year and the year after for the projects the main projects not
the things that just come up so I don't you know it's part of this discussion you can put that amount whatever amount you being in 2026 or 2027 it doesn't mean you have to do it
it's a plan so what what is just because I don't I'm not convinced that by knocking this whole 200,000 out we're we're not going project in other words we take the 200,000 out I feel like somewhere down the road we're not going to be able to move forward because we
didn't approve a certain amount of money right so my thought is instead of doing 200,000 right and Mike I agree with you it doesn't cost $200,000 to what if we do a smaller to do like 50,000 right that way it gives my opinion it gives
enough to do whatever drawings or presentations whatever concept pH to get to the concept phase and then we can see where it's at it gives so how much do we have for Concepts this year in the current budget we spent start 20 originally yes in 2023 then
we4 now I think we some money for public proposals and meetings and whatever we're going to have to pay a consultant to do the presentation so that's what I'm saying is that maybe maybe instead of making a feasibility study right we
say it's it's a line for public whatever it is consumption documentation and we we reduce the number from 200,000 to 50,000 something that seems more as long as the project continues to keep Ste and move forward I'm okay but I don't
whether you put this in as a no I know we're talking about Capital now but I'm saying but we we already said that the 200 can be in capital so we're still talking about the same I never said it can't be in capital you said it's it's going to be cap capital a
resolution yeah but it has to be funded fully funded so it's not going to from the capital Improvement fund correct so because it doesn't have a useful life of if we did say 35k for to finish out his
Public consumptions Presentation and it's fully funded through resolution that come out of the capital fund if they're preliminary plan expenses not of this magnitude without yeah agree so I guess it's how
much of what the whole budget can we put a placeholder in and then you guys talk to the arit and said here's the scope of work well that that was kind of the budget gets introduced on THS a different way that was my suggestion is
that lower the amount I I don't know that's I be too high I agree that's what that's what I'm saying I think like 200,000 and I know the Chief came at you know you were coming out with you know this is just a ballpark like number
right but think about 3D drawings now yeah so if you think about what it cost to do that stuff right and again if it's going towards building drawings for the project then I mean the number that's in
my head is 50,000 but well 200,000 is very yeah like for5 cheap just just couple meetings consult expert put together presentation 6,000 per meeting and 6,000
for him to do some Dr 6 * 3 is 18 20,000 for me 6000 oh he's going have to bring experts in they're going to ask question the public doing the presentation any either I'm somewhere between 20 and 25
20 [Laughter] 205 I second 225 225 22 I that we're going to really it's there but we don't have to spend all money if we don't need it you know we
understand that so but I'd rather have something there in Cas how do you feel about why wouldn't we need it I'm just saying maybe you're not going to allocate all of it just like here's 200,000 you're not going to spend a whole 200,000 I also to know what these concept they could be pretty well detailed
and yeah I mean I'm definitely on board with a budget keep the public good and so I'll I'm okay with and just a question followup then is that is that a continuance of our current work with the
group that we went out to RFP on you guys have out who's going to do that public education piece yeah I mean plans committee will meet again um we said early early to mid April here well it already is early April mid April so we have enough time
to get everybody's calendar we'll show their rings and um at that point we'll talk there should be a discussion about taring and Arrow Field down because you see you have quite a few little things correct and that's why I would come back to the council with all right which which schemes do you want to see because you
know round numbers we have seven different PL in a few throw correct yeah so that's the point is that's what the plan at the next meeting is to narrow it down think and then to bring those those narrow down renderings to the council where we make a decision on how to bring
it to the public and to take the next steps I think Dave Schultz will have to be involved he's the one giving us the presentations at the conceptual plans committee so I don't know whether it would be him maybe and someone from US public presentations because Dave's
got the skills and the knowledge to answer questions you know and I think how you want to put together yeah sure I'll work and that's always been a topic you know since I I started this project in 2023 was the fact that we're going to have to come to the public to show them
what it's going to look like and how it's going to impact whether we say onsite or offsite the only thing the public wants to know is how much it's going to no they don't they want to know no they don't disruption to the municipal building for a year a year they're going to want to know that it's that is that is a data point they want
to know for sure but it's not the only thing I mean the fact that we're going to close your municipal building for six months to do construction is is a large concern no just saying so 225 225 is and then when you guys about when you can have this
presentation ready and you're look at the calendar because you know this to closes down so that 225 comes back to my operational line conceptual plans yes all right last two project updates to
facilities the One tennis 000 and then the last one is the installation of Lights at the train station pack now um our grant rer is looking into a grant for that I think that
was lights so let me just ask about the lights because these are the ones that uh go over to um americ American Ro start but didn't didn't wasn't there something already done
those it's not still this is this is lights along the path okay and then long for those two lights yeah can we talk about the tenis
like a back that would be so only like someone like play tennis with your or pickle ball against for baseball it's great I love itly used
aot no it's not enough it's not enough I know I know that guy bring that number down ,000 I mean is that a necessity it's Recreation we don't have anything and Recreation we have police we have Fire
Road do we need to put any funding in for the the that going are we doing that Grant this year be this year implementation no whatever they couldn't make the time
theity we have well WEA to do Theo they need D permits and all that yeah no they got those they got the permit design and what is it design and permitting we got that the implementation
the we avoided the we do have a resolution already set up with the Morris County Trail construction Community that's the one that's Carl whatever cler cler from doing the studies
yeah so there there's uh sorry we done with theer yeah oh there you go so there's I gave everybody a copy of this proposal from Shi um and essentially what this is be F to the
page not the last page but right before the last so you'll see the total there is $67,000 um again this is an estimate right sorry for the people that have i Myer got plays the suspended symbol who the
kid they did but anyway save and paper so so what this represents here is a couple of things right there're um ranne something thank you chief for coming so Rosanne had I believe it was
$5,000 in the budget to upgrade the uh the audio piece of equipment here mixture here for the courts so that that's actually included in this actually the uh the first line item at
$3,213 um so again it's uh so that's part of this um and as we go down here essentially and I I'm happy to go through every line on if you want essentially what this does is it um uh upgrades the technology in this room
right so it's bigger TV there it adds another TV here the reason why I think that's import because when we do things like uh Board of adjustment or planning board meetings or even Council meetings um like the chief did a presentation right it was up on that screen for
people sitting over here is hard to see right so it allows one screen to be seen by the council another to be seen by the public um it can also be used during the courts when they do um any of their um you know court cases on Zoom or any of that kind of stuff they can present it
up there um so that's what the TVs um there's also a third TV in here which is a request from the construction Department as we are um digitizing all the documentation they need a way to view it and doing it on a
15inch computer monitor um when they're trying to look at larger plans very tough to do for the plan board no no no this for the Construction office so when they do their plan review right doing in this room no no no this is over the two different sites but this is
encompassing all sorry no it's okay um so that would that would give them the ability to to look at those those plans in a format that's digestible right you can't it's really hard to do it on on a 1 screen so that's part of this um uh and I'm happy to go through each
line on if you want but um the more about capability what we capabil y so the the other thing that that we'd be adding to this um is the we'd be upgrading the microphone system that's in here so the that um we only have whatever there's five of right this
would include I think there's it's actually 10 yeah 10 mics um so that way when we have the uh planning board in here that has most people on the board there right giv everybody a microphone gives us some
spares also provides for the goose snack mics which is what those are for out here for when people come up for when um people present um it's a better better audio quality um so we don't get the feedback issues that we've had in this room
um the let's see and then the the last major part of this is that it adds a uh camera to the room so that we can then do the uh any of the council meetings um
any meeting that's in here that's a public meeting um we can we can stream that to YouTube we can do Zoom meetings if we choose to in the future we already have zoom licenses for this stuff um so it allows us to gives us the capability
of doing that so I think in the in the interest of transparency right which is what a lot of our residents want um right now it's being done by and thank you to Mr L chance over here right and other residents um it's been it's been done by people showing up with their
with their phones streaming it on YouTube you know at at their own cost of of I think this is a service that um the burough should provide I think a lot of other municipalities Do It um I think it also serves the function for
um uh the ability to uh you know go back and look at these meetings whether that's from a Clerk's perspective or whether that's from um you know another perspective they they can review it's another method for them to be able to review and um you know fear these
meetings um um there there is Nancy actually brought something up to me when I looked at this um and it's a really good suggestion right the the something is not included in here is the ability to potentially um have a portable option with this so if a meeting does get moved to an auditorium
cell right or we go over to the community center to the planning board right be able to take what's in here um and basically take it as a mobile rig um and and go over there that way we have the the same um we have the same equipment that's over
there um and then the other thing I don't know if it came from you as well it's not included in here um and then the other thing that isn't included in here um that was a good idea and I don't know if it was you Nancy that brought it up but um there's some
upgrades over at um uh the community center for the for the audio system and I don't know if that would be under W budget or something else but it's also technology I talked to okay great so is that a one time
expense or is that an upgrade like it's an upgrade the microphones are upgraded I think the speakers are UPG I don't know if went to last I think there'll be some drop down youel well there's wireless headsets right for the it's what we do in school
but the yeah there's wireless microphones and then there's other systems there but so that that stuff is not included in this um but some you know so that's what the $67,000 represents um we don't need to so the
proposal is um we can look at pieces of this like I said like if we don't want to do the display over the annex or we don't want to upgr the TVs here but we all want to do the the video recording system right we can we can break this down but this gives you kind of an Allin budget idea of what's it and the reason
I'm bringing it up now is because I believe Anna if I'm if I'm not mistaken right that because this is equipment that depreciates over a period of time that we can include this as part of a capital expense if they five useful life it does yep so that's what I'm piing it
up now so something to consider as if you know if we were to align a budget I I would ask you know that we we fund the whole thing at 67,000 um to add it to the to the or whatever the other bids mostow or whatever yeah because we have to bid it
right but as far as from a budgeting perspective I did say our last serious all the different things talk about don't voted one way or another to go through with this um we didn't vote right nobody
voted on on any of this stuff I think should be presented to the council and the council should have a say on how it goes what equipment you're going to use right or not whatever but I think it should go through a committee and be
decided on what what to do I don't know if any of the construction is going to have any effect on this or not this room so might want to put that into consideration and so I don't I don't I mean I did I did actually bring it up in the last council meeting I tried to present it
and you said I need to bring it back to the committee but I said I was going to form the committee right but because we're talking about capital budget now right I'm not saying we need to make a decision on what we're doing it's just I
want it to be included in the capital budget so that when we get to it just like we were just talking about the um some of these other expenses in here right I just want them to be included in the budget so we a year mark budget for it so that when you do create the committee we can discuss it and then we know we have the
funding so so my my ask is to add the 67,000 or 68 whatever it is um to the capital budget that's my I don't know where we're at with this we at 2
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or everything it's virtually I'm not going to say it's impossible you're really stringing yourself out here we've done extra on roads we've done probally would not do I that's up to you
guys is a priority because the res have basically voted for the people that ran on this and this is what the residents want to see us do so we would not be we P that it has to be done this year I don't think that the whole thing has to
be done this year but you know what I think Bill makes a good point about having volunteers be responsible for streaming we should take that responsibility and I would like to see at least do well they have to do the mixer right and you know um it's a
slippery slope because if you do the cameras and then you can't hear anybody what's the point of streaming it if you can't hear them correct correct so but like I said there are I mean what what and I'm happy to break this down I'm happy to put this out to bid right and and so that we can follow the process
and get accurate bids on it and then I can go through say State contract this state contract it is State contract yeah Shi you don't have to go and they probably going be similar anyway yeah yeah so so what I'm asking for today is
to put money in the in the capital project budget to I'm with you but because I ran on that with you I believe in it I I think it goes beyond you're right we did run on it but I think it goes beyond beyond
that I think it's just it's a service that we just like when we were talking about um the Social Media stuff for the police department that they already do right it's a service that people expect right and you look at other towns around us they're all doing it um I think we're
doing a disservice people not this has been for that's what I'm saying people wanted it honestly honestly it's not just about putting a camera in you know and streaming it right there's other things in here it's upgrading the audio system that's needed right it's
upgrading the microphones that are in here right it's it's serving other boards than just the council right the planning board and the board of adjustment will benefit from it because they have bigger TVs instead of setting up an easel over there that only these three people can see because they're sitting next to it these people can't
see it the public can't see it right you put everything digital now everybody can see it right I've seen moristown in fact moristown actually does most of their playboard meetings in Zoom anyway um but nonetheless right we um it benefits the public in multiple ways so I've had
people come up to me and say I'm not going to come to a meeting and talk if if it ever gets taken I don't want to be on I don't want to be video okay that's their choice yeah but do we take those people into consideration at all or no how many people came on Zoom we they had
to say I know I'm fighting losing B here with everybody I I you said distracting you know but that's not what it's not about you it's about the public I know it's not about me I said I brought up the public has come to me and said they don't people said I say 20 people during
during during the M during the plan board meeting I was over at um at the community center we had 10 and something people in the room and we had just as many people online watching it and a lot of them were you know they couldn't make it because they had conflict they were state right but
it do mean a they want to know what's going on right that poor woman that comes from Dayton yeah that's exactly why so so again look we we can we can go back and forth but as far as
what we're doing here today which is a budget meeting what I'm asking for is that the council agree to put the the $68,000 as part of the capital budget so that we can have this can we do in segments like we've done some of the other contracts I would like to understand if
the council wants to to do the whole thing $68,000 is part of the 2025 project or can we do next parts for 68 in for they already have three I'm
sure okay I like the thing about segments but say how to do that I'm not saying I'm not saying we can't do it but it can be still be done it can be done but and I'm other B too that go to bid because contract but and again I'm not
saying we're going to spend all this money right we're going to do it in a way that makes sense but it's going to be here and available it's going to be here and available that's what I'm asking for I'd like to see yes I'd like to allocate it but I'd like to see if we could reallocate some of this to make portable so that you don't have to hire
saski to or how would that work if you want who's going run the equipment my question who runs the equipment so uh the uh it would be easy enough that Rosanne could just hit a button on the touch and she
yeah it's easy enough that she could just run it she's already got the computer she's already got the computer there she already plugs it in I have not talked to her about it but it shouldn't be the decision of the employees it should be a policy decision and then we figure out I don't think other towns
other towns have people that operate the equiv so there there are towns that just have the CLK do it that's why I have a system like this the cark can hit a button that says record or stream whatever it is and then it goes out and it does transcript that they can use that's official that is
um so it can provide a transcrip so long but this doesn't so the audio system that would would that she's having a problem with that she transcribes this meets those needs right it's not replacing it right it's it's fixing what she having a problem and
it's adding other things to but I'm looking at a written transcript like can it provide a written it can there's there's yes but they won't like replace a repor so I you don't need the written transcript the only exactly no but helps
what she's doing now is transcribing Every Word by hand on a piece of paper writing it then typing it and as she's typing it she's editing so it's taking seven hours for each meeting so if we can transcript they can summarize it much easier y Yep this will definitely
help with that that just can't yes correct okay be a helper right so I I mean I'll take I'll take this suggestion about looking at of the portal system UMES somebody have to go
system it would be the same thing laptop hit a button yep it's just setting up the camera angle and and I don't know about if we all learn and understand no we could we could it's definitely just a question I don't know if it's possible right it's definitely a
question save money because how many meetings over there do you spend $1,500 wer pay for it okay all right so that's that portability is not an issue we don't have to pay for it well if it's a service we're providing we'll have to
pay for it the the yeah let's say we have this meeting with with the station and it's going to be a cent or but you're saying I can do it
yes it's just like an office put 8 by 11 2 number 2.65 my job 20 so just hit a button yep wow I design I designed the system so that people can just hit one
button we need a well before we take a break respectfully did we all agree that this went around okay excellent thank you very much the number you got adusted to 2,658
46485 now include your 67,000 round it up I'm not going to do math again I was $800 I'm coming up with two7 76191 361 plus the TV the team Center I the and I
can run it yeah but that means you have to live here you're retired from that job e e e e e e
e e e e e e e e e e it's a lot of food
right so much right Bo oh did you get like a p box a lunch I know I ordered the orange chicken it came with everything suit yeah so uh can I ask what was the number that we
ended up with came up with 2,657 7617 truck I call safety here actually found out right you do not need a CDL to drive the fire truck right yeah so I would not
want to drive one of those I remember when was production ass driving a box truck in manhatt even Oh What It call they have to have special well we do the same thing certain number hours training driving
you can't just jump on the and go it's not it's hard enough to get a volunteer to volunteer next item is revenues boy boy so
sheet F anticipated um we're going to be anticipating the we did last year um this will still leave us with a fund balance of 900,000 we generated in 20124 2.8 million um normally you would
like to have it same as what in general because that's what you bring in in the year we're doing a little bit more we do have some um debt that we're paying down with this number and it's like
things the budget the next item is alcoholic beverages that's the same4 we want to increase that one can so what does that what does that cover alol are the the licenses
okay um under other licenses um 14,600 we realized 14646 in 2024 we can only anticipate what we realize unless we have a documentation that we're going to be getting you know
more than that and this just examples of other licenses LIC marriage licenses those what are those from the clerk's office C to yeah pets and I then we have and
and we have um construction no fire prevention anything in our Fe ordinance that we collect okay so we realized 13, 274 we realize so that's why it's 133 municipal court so Municipal Court
in 2024 we realized 8,640 um for maxing out on that hopefully in 2025 they'll go up so historically when I look back at you know 2019 which was preco um we were
at37 before that in 2017 we were at 226,000 now remember that also included a lot of Marijuana arrest which we know this is tickets and that it's not just it's you don't get fines
for arrest this is tickets and parking fees parking you don't so just I got these numbers so 2024 was 78,3 40 okay and our high in 2017 is
226,000 right so it's a huge decline you got cour to pay out of you employ ask a
question you can't good but you can look at you can look at demographics so a couple years back I was asked to look at demographics because we were talking about shared municipal court
services and when I looked at the donor around us um they seem to be they have recruited their municipal court fees at a faster rate than we have if not exceeding so either everyone hits our
borders and they're buckling up and get off the phone it must be the safest town in the county well if you talk to police officer moris County and then after Amic Road interest in cost on
taxes so realiz 4,300 so I'm going to exate 41,000 and the last one on this is interest on investments and deposits um even though we realized 525,000 our total fund balance is lower
than it was in 2024 so I'm only going to be anticipating 440,000 so I know it's on we got nothing there Park don't okay oh stand got it the next page would be page
five for he just add the so uh page five this is um our state aid so we are no longer receiving the municipal Relief Fund that ended um they did say that we were going to be the end they took it
away yes you're too kind yes the state robbed us continues to Rob and then um the only thing we're receiving now they Consolidated pretty much the energy rece ta and there was
another comra tax that they cons one so um they pretty much said that we're going to the same as last year 621 206 next page page six this is the uniform construction code
piece so here we realized in 20 24 710,000 138 500 of that was the warehouse so I don't anticipate having another big Warehouse similar to that so that's why
in 2025 to 210,000 as well keep your and yes that's so hopefully do you think M will start will start building and getting this year
we'll see a lot of stuff I think they already did their demo demo Andes over here cross look at uh 2019 for the appropriation
side when I was looking at what people were bringing in Far hours right and I also looked at what they brought in January February and March and we're lower so in 2019 total revenue was 177,000 but the the line for for that
office is 285,000 cor that's so when they say they bring no most that's what I'm saying so when when that other person goes down another two
person right and then we got at so is it does it be us to to be generous with this number or should we no I think she Ma I don't I do at historically in three
years averages and and I think that that comfortable okay uh sheet nine so these are our offsetting revenues so we have um sheet 24 offsets the revenues that we receive
here so our C communities program is uh Grant so we have currently um at 17879 11 so we're going to realize that amount substance abuse Alliance Grant um
we have a documentation that we're going to be get a grant for that 5,34 and then this amount is already the 2,000 that they get supplemental from the count uh reserve for drunk driving enforcement I had a balance
1,489 and 24 I thought they were CH about it so they did get um machine last year and they utilized all the drunk ding fund money from the state we had this
amount but it was locked in so we couldn't utilize it at that time so anyway we're going to be utilize it it was locked in in 2023 budget so again we have an offs off setting expense uh reserve for alcohol education
and uh reation fund currently we only have $693 so anticipating 500 that the next one reserve for body armor replacement Grant uh we have uh 6,474 91
cents currently to be able to use and I'm going to be anticipating that whole amount in the Appropriations we are extending more but only 64470 is on that outside C the rest of
it is in our budget the spoted lantern flly program Grant this is a reimbursable grant that they're given us $20,000 and then uh the chief did inform me recently about the body War cameras so you got a letter saying that they had
a balance left over 8,558 and it's going to be extending that in this year these other ones that don't have anything in inter yeah they're there because we right we didn't get them this
that's um the next so uniform fire safety act I have a letter that says that um for 2025 we're going to be getting $ 24,32 4 cable television franchise fees we
already received These funds these are the only funds we're going to receive 9248 96 I don't understand that we get paid by Horizon remember sign one of those vouchers and I asked I was like whoa Verizon's paying us a ton of money and I
think it was s Jason I was like cuz like you are I think this goes down there was a big jump when the dishes came out scaming and all that sort of stuff so this is used to be much more than what it is now I'm I'm actually surprised
that it's kind of stay the same last year a lot of towns use that money for broadcasting their to their public so they had like used to have those cable channels that was their that's where the the money come so
it's kind years ago I guess um I think mayor Frank asked me to look into the franchise so like the mayor was saying with the dishes and the um streaming services and they utilize Verizon and
cable vision wires to get that information to you so yeah you asked me to look into can we get our Penny out of that and because other you know the money keep going down because people are cutting the court and going just
streaming but they're utilizing the same and paying I mean cable dig whatever it is C and the answer the short answer was no no so but it was interesting to look it up there actually by how
many okay subscribers yeah I wonder it's interesting for people that stream so they don't have as many boxes but they have a router right which Verizon so Cuts us out yeah hotel motel tax
revenue so we again realiz anticipated what we realized so that's why that amount is fixed uh reserve for sewer improvements sewer connection of so in our capital budget we have this money in reserve to offset the cost of our sewer
improvements we have 1.5 million in capital last year we anticipated 50,000 this year I bumped it up to 100,000 um I know that the grant rer re certain
uh grants that require a match for sewers so we do want to keep some of that money still in capital to offset those Appropriations if we ever get those uh reserve for Debt Service we
have in our capital budget again 187,00 so we're going to be anticipating [Music] 115,000 Morris C's Board of Education we have a contract with them for um crossing guards they P for some of that crossing guards and also for um an
officer to be over there um yes so again we realized in 2024 117570 and then they anticipate the same amount New Jersey recycling C
reimbursement um right now in our trust account on the recycling we 28,000 um we haven't received the grant yet this year but I do anticipate we'll be getting about 15,000
page sheet 11 so this just brings all our revenues forward and then the new item on here is the receipt for Blink taxes so the max can anticipate in this line is 21376 which is 96.1% of the
balance I'm not anticipating that much some of it is a old Lan that we have so I am going to anticipate what I believe will be collected which is the 212,000 and the next item on this page is this amount to be raised to support
the propery typ so there's two steps to this it's the amount to be raised and then it's the reserve for uncollected the reserve for uncollected is on the appropriation side and the amount to be raised is on the revenue side and it it basically
balances your budget so the last sheet in this packet you'll see is this calculation and you pretty much um what your expenses are without this
appropriation what you're going to be anticipating your school and your county expenses we do a 95% even though our collection rate is higher um if we were to do higher and we don't receive that collection rate it's
really difficult to raise that in the budget this is essentially it's a worksheet just so the other several sheets that we have here so we have our comparison of revenues and Appropriations list the condition of our
so we started the year on the bottom with a surplus of 4.1 million we're utilizing in this budget 3.2 million our balance in Surplus is 900,000 you'll see the difference between prior year and current year uh
with our revenues and our expenses our expenses I do give you a comparison of our budget that's that's more deta this but this is just the highlights of the of the actual budget now on the right side you see our
uh local purpose tax levy current year and prior year and the percent of increase um anticipated uh local tax rate and then our assess value so our assess value did increase at
2.75% you also see here the status of our the first is our 1977 spending cap this is a it gave us a a cola cap so we did pass a resolution recently to increase the cap from 22% to 3 and
12% so even with the 2 and a half% we have an excess of 82,000 of course it did authorize another 25 so that would lower that amount when I put those numbers in and then the 3% allows us to bank some
of this money so instead of banking 82,000 we're allowed to bank the2 200000 or actually 175 with change the second cap is our uh 2% Levy cap which is in
2010 so our actual budget before the 25 was 14 m67 we're actually able to stay within that capab because I utilize some Banking and you'll see that in the
next um that sheet second to last sheet was that one this is the 2010 cap on the right hand side you should see that we utilize the um
27,878 of our bank from prior years and that allowed us to stay in in compliance with the state laws last page is this um summary of Pats if you look at the summary of tax
rates um the county um you know I anticipate you know 2% they they give us a little wiggle room with that if I don't know what the amount is and currently we don't know what the county amount is so I did increase it by 2% the school they
actually um had their meeting and they uh have a proposed budget so that's that amount and then our budget um on the bottom again um I have to increas about of 25 million talk that was the
one just discuss with no the yeah the the 22 concept plan and then the yeah okay cuz that's inside C so that I these numbers I'm read tax rate for the
county 2024 is 0.39 and then it's you're estimating is going to be 036 oh sorry to look at the bottom one Z that was theate right that's the tax rate right 24 but we don't know what the
rate is for 25 yet I increased the levy by 2% the maximum that you inrees without knowing what the actual okay since we don't have the actual the reason it's down is because
our assessed value it so the proposed tax rate for 2025 is 2546 versus last year 2.42 estimated because again Factor the CH but that's
a decently solid estimation I guess or yes okay I would say okay I'm interested I always wondered from a real estate persp so cooling it come together the table on the right at your assx right but to see how you get the
budget and everything yeah it's interesting because your taxes are obviously based on the rate anybody have any questions on did this change from the last time show the day did I had remember I looked at my ass
value well I had the count will yes I I actually believe the county is going to go a little bit higher but you can't if I don't know what the county you know is like the school I can put to what it actually I don't know what the county is
if I put 5% and when you do the you know for un collected taxes you're increasing it so that you can get more money into your fund balance right so they don't allow that appreciate
that we're under budget review this year every three years you know the state does budgets and then you know they look at it so it's the state playing the new guys and I can you know the logic is that you know normally 2% increase that
you're allowed with this 2010 cap you're only allowed a 2% increase so you shouldn't be going more so so just explain to them so that they know when everybody hears we go to County me z% tax increase they already
said it I say that every year so so I have um if you go online I wouldn't go to the Press but the the county actually puts out a nice budget presentation this is only one of the sheets but you know you can go in and look at it so the sheets
they say uh six straight year of no County tax rate increase the budget is structurally balanced and cap compliant rable base grew by 8.3% so all the municipalities together someone down maybe someone up but the rable b b set
value increase average annual budget growth 2.89 that's the actual increase it's below average annual increase in inflation for the past five years but if you look at their
introduced budget between 24 and 25 and subtracted it's actually uh close to a 3% increase in their budget but when they factor in the assessed value they're seeing a zero I mean could we say the same thing
here yeah okay when you look at the local purpose tax right you see what what the differences and then you look at our net valuation taxable our our ratables went up at the bottom here so it that'ss out
to be the 2.54 budget increase by this year and again I think the county is going to be a little bit higher than that so our tax will be
higher this is how budget increas because oh the Val went up you that's the number okay so that's where at all you said Jason Wasing it kind of comes together okay I was interested to see
right oh I see what you're saying it would have been a much tax site but it's not because of the valuation going because ofp explain how it got offet because we had an increase in rbl this year so she was saying like next year it'll be harder to get that we realize this year and 800
next year maybe ratables also affect our cats as well because um they do give us extra money you know when we have our ratables for you know additions you know we do have a percentage there we
can so next year that sense that might be the only anybody have any questions good job we want to revisit something no that's just question no I think we're good I'm okay on everything
I think I have a couple I have a question for Chris I wrote the note down at the moment but I I don't think it was a we the M we figured out the police thing which was the 200k not I was about the um that the arson
[Music] we the fund right now do I need Council approval or is it something I just tell you to do no I'm get last we're reping and reping
it is that to be I know two years I think right two last leg close I'll put it budget The Bu I put put in seven Co operator
put so how much like 100,000 15 I'm to get some more donations I'm done we talked about the capital budget for quite quite a while and we decided you mentioned that 5% of
the budget has to be funded this year right there's Bond ordinances and then there's regular so reg you know you could fully fund projects if you have the money in capital Improvement fund or fund balance you know you can utilize those funds
fund projects um some projects won be able to fund like the road we did a 5% down payment is what required to have and that's required in the capital but next year you could pay that you could pay it off I guess I'm we made
these changes to capital budget right how does that impact what we just what we just went over well right now we have in this budget 825,000 that's going back into Capital Improvement
so some of that money would be utilized for this 2.6 57 that we have so but it won't affect any of the it won't affect these as long you know 2 will roll into the capital
payment fund instead of uh putting only 70,000 down for the fire engine we could put $200,000 down again when the ordinance comes out you guys prove the ordinance you approve whether you could put more than 5% down to to an ordinance
to fund it um the other smaller ordinances I would recommend fully fing since we're bringing in some you know 825 over we might as well utilize that's the role of her fund that we keep every year no that that's whatever you
guys decide I think the answer question be Bond and notes right they're bigger numbers 1.4 million oh no 2.69 yeah 2.6 we cut this from 3689 down to
2.6 and then we're saying is we we take 800 what is it 825 it's uh budgeted for Capital Improvement fund right some may be not later on however right
now roads we already did Bond so we have okay so that's already financed well it's future taxation is 95 right and you saw that that added to so right now we have a 1.5 million so the 825 can't go
to that it can go to these others go to these others and then next year you can take care of yes you can you can raise it in you're funding these I mean2 so in the just on the budget sheets we had in
the capital Improvement we had 35,000 for25 say that's actually 825 875 number page 73 work yeah I'm just I know last when we did this a month ago we said wew it at this meeting so I just make
sure understanding it correctly y p 738 so it is 87 85 so it is8 I in my head
got all the other she she didn't it down she won't sleep if she messes up one number so don't worry about it she'll get up right next year I'm not have S on there has the right number here that's yeah yeah 875 and then um so the we we
put we put this on hold earlier to come back and talk about it I just want to make sure we're understanding it correctly so the the notes where were paying down at 592 320 um so how does that Rel to everything we just talked about is we P
down prev Deb right leave 110,000 us to0 paying down the 59 yeah but it's coming out of where the budget budget show us taxers that's a tax it's under principal on notes yeah
so sorry in the budget sheet it's on page 75 and this is what I was questioning last time we this is what you were telling me that the minimum was 74 but we could pay 374 this year we're we're paying
59220 um and I was questioning do we need to pay pay all that and it sounds like U this is the final payment you're at you're at the end of the line here so it's easy and like I said before we can't use 110k just to make all the bus harder to get
because we're not using it for appreciate useful okay you could ful fund the you know the projects that you know we said oh we can use one point you know ordinance 29 to do that you you guys are
you guys are making the decisions not [Music] if you choose to not utilize that 110,000 and you want to reduce this payment I'll go out for notes you know the bond pcel out of the 110 will get PA
it could be you know 1,300 or whatever his is come out of there um and then these projects can be funded through the TR fun just like the other one are so I mean that's your decision to make
we don't know we don't see the full full impact of that here we only see this one using you want me to run numbers I can go my office and run numbers I mean do you have any this is the final higher number dep not not with
something that's within reach you want to see a numers you know I could put in the 25 500 and what numbers you want to see and then run the sheets over again that just puts us in a tighter
spot next year have ADD P so right in be tighter next year we're not going to want additional payment so instead of the 1.5 million as far as unfunded You' be closer to 2
million un funded um and then you know you'd have to decide whether you want to fund it at that time plus you know we have the fire engine if we're you know yeah that'll be on our Bo
yeah what are our you know neighboring towns doing you know what kind of kind of increases are we seeing I don't worry about other towns I don't at the county one time trying to base is different
tax percent is different our tax rate is effectively FL last year went down yeah this year slightly back up it's going to be up you look at two years we're just normalizing around to
zero tax rate yeah no so we go back this sh here tax no not zero I mean Delta I don't know what CH four theek oper
are you on is the tax rate lower than it was two years ago will it be no yeah that's it up slightly if you look up at the bottom that's the estimated if you look at our local
purpose tax 869 it's going up to9 so right tax but the the county and the school when you factor those yeah I'm just looking at what we can control Factor the whole thing in so on the bottom all the way on the bottom that's
all so if I read that correctly it's 02 is a difference I'm good with this's good sound absolutely get and she's so patient with us yes thank you for everyone for being patient with
us seriously it's very if you have any questions I learned a ton and and it'll only it'll help us do our jobs better and help us next year at the budget so i' definitely got a much better
Gras is aess she's here every night till 5:30 she's no I'm sure that's what I'm saying I this is not something i' be good I will just say nothing about your process she would not Ste us
don't give everybody IDE I mean we have been forunate [Music] that pay all projects as we go and it's fortunate because I I remember the lean year I when I you know we
had5 rbl going down when 125 million we 600,000 forunate to be able to do yeah Mo to Second by