--------- Please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.
>> I hereby announce that this meeting is being held in accordance with chapter 231 of the Open Public Meeting Act. Proper notice of meeting dates has been given to the Morris news feed, Morris County daily gallery record and posted on the bulletin board in the borrow.
This meeting is a judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments must be limited to issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision and decorum appropriate for judicial hearing must be maintained at all times.
Notice to members of the planning board and burough staff. Any use of electronic devices during this meeting shall be solely for the purposes of burough business. >> Karen, can I roll call please? >> Mr. Wolf. >> Yes.
>> Mr. here. >> Approval of the minutes for the meeting of January 19th, 2026. The board members received a copy of the minutes. Does anyone have any additions or corrections after review?
I do >> uh let's see what page we're on 448 the um paragraph that starts with Mrs. McCcluskey. Okay. After that after seconded by Miss Stecker there should be a paragraph in
there that says Mr. confirmed that he has listened to the tapes of the previous meeting with regard to the Rivian application. Mr. Mal Pier confirmed that he did not listen to the tape. That was before the roll call vote. And
then on the following page uh where the um roll call is for application P 2-25. It says roll call yay's Mrs.
McCusky. I had recused myself from that and it should have me down as recused and not as a yay. >> Anyone else? >> Yep. >> There appears to be an opening. It's not an opening. It's a gate. Excuse me. What
page? >> 442. >> The very bottom questions from the board member. The first one there appears to be an opening. It's not opening. It's a gate. It's between >> the very >> Thank you. Anybody
else? >> Can I have a motion to approve these minutes with the state of corrections? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. Okay. Thank you.
>> Mr. Wolf. Mr. Mir, >> yes. >> Mr. Bezel, >> yes. >> Mrs. Ste, >> yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Houston, >> yes. >> Mayor Car, >> yes. >> And Mrs. >> Yes. >> Okay.
Comments from the public. This is specifically for matters that are not on tonight's agenda. Public comments should be limited to one comment and no more than five minutes per person. This request is only provide opportunity for
everyone. Any questions? >> Seeing none, I will close this portion of >> Sorry, we're going to open it back up. >> Uh Craig Moran, 7 Hillview Avenue. Uh as
we all know there have been happenings in the town over the recent years where uh residents have become increasingly more interested in the goings on in the town and uh that participation sometimes creates uh correspondence with people on
various boards and councils and such. And um we talk with one another, a lot of these people um It's come to our attention that uh sometimes the responses are not
exactly the most timeliest. Uh sometimes people seem to think that maybe they're being uh kind of shoved to the side and disregarded. And in a case like that, rather than just going silent and ghosting the person who sent the correspondence, a
oneline email just saying requesting more time. that is the case. You need you can't get back to them quite yet or you don't have an answer yet. Just let them know. Uh because as I said, we all talk and we're not going to go away. The
question isn't going to go away. If anything, you're just going to make people angrier about what it is that they're trying to do. and uh you'll get more emails and phone calls and just open the lines of communication. Just
let everyone know where you're at and that you're working on it and you'll get back to them as soon as possible. >> That's all. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? I'll close that portion of the agenda.
Committee reports. U minor site plan committee. I can say that we have no updates. Master plan review committee. >> No. Close that portion of the agenda. Correspondence and bills. Karen. Are there any correspondence and bills?
>> Yes. And I'll turn the meeting over if you approve. >> Uh sure. Just a uh brief summary on what happened in McDonald's litigation. Oral argument was held. This is called a trial when we challenge what the board does. That was a trial. Um on January
16th on January 23rd uh the court issued its opinion rather lengthy opinion um upholding the decision to grant the uh second approval of McDonald's. That was done on the 23rd. If anybody is going to appeal until the plaintiff wish to
appeal that would need to be done within 45 days of that uh decision um which went out March 9th. I think that was 45 days. Uh other than that it was you know straightforward that it was upheld. The
judge said that was in the discretion decisions made within the discretion board. >> That was my summary of correspondence. >> Andrew, you have any bills? >> No. Okay, we're going to jump into the approval of
the resolution then for PB-1-25 Rivon LLC 329 Skidwell AD block 23 lot 1.01 The order of business tonight is to memorialize and adopt resolution 26-05.
Our professionals from each board member have received a copy for review. I think we should have a vote if we're going to read this resolution or not. Is my understanding that we read the resolution.
>> How about the rest of the board members? I say we go from the uh halfway through now therefore be resolved in the interest of time and the applicants that are here tonight >> just before we go on page two
section four under waver We have two candles instead of foot candles. We should probably fix that. >> It's just a typo. 0.32 >> I have no objection to beginning at the now
>> which for public is the first portion of every the resolution up into the wherefore is the facts that happened the testimony. So it's basically recitation of what happened the action that's being taken by the board is what I'm >> use the mic
>> I'm not >> now therefore be it resolved by the planning board of the burrow of Morris Plains in the county of Morris in the state of New Jersey on this ninth day of February 2026 as follows. One, preliminary and final site plan approval. Variances and waiverss as set
forth above are hereby granted as depicted on the foreset plans as amended subject to the conditions here and after step four. Two, compliance with all fire and police department comments and recommendations. Three, applicants shall comply with and revise the plans to
address a the November 5th, 2025 and January 15, 2026 reports of the board traffic consultant. B the December 5th, 2025 report of the board planner. C. The November 24th, 2025 report of the bureau
of the board and four. Applicant shall petition the county of Morris to permit left turns out of the property onto East Handover Avenue from the site's East Handover Avenue access drive. Five. Applicants shall revise the
plans to provide for brick facade to the trash enclosure uh to the board engineer for review and approval prior to signing of the final plans. Six. All delivery of vehicles will be limited to business hours of 7:00 a.m. to 700 p.m. Monday to
Friday and 7:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. Saturday, and vehicles will not be delivered to the facility at times other than business hours. Seven, all site lighting shall be physically dimmable with revisions made to the plans to indicate Saint. The site lighting will be dimmed during
non-b businessiness hours with the timing and amount of such dimming to be reviewed and approved in writing by the board engineer and planner and the specifics of such dimming to be included on revised plans subject to the review and written approval of the board engineer.
The trash refues enclosure shall contain a time block that will be set to prevent any trash or refuge pickup delivery during non-b business hours with same to be subject to the review and written approval of the board engineer and indicated on revised plans to be
approved in writing by the board engineer. 10. The East Hanover Avenue entrance will not be used by carriers to enter the property with a note indicating such restriction to be added to the plans and subject to the review and written approval of the board
engineer. 11. Plan shall be amended to provide that the sidewalks along Speedwell Avenue and East Hanover Avenue shall be repaired with same subject to the review and written approval of the board and mayor. 12. Construction of the improvements shall be in conformance
with the building renderings and color scheme submitted by the applicant to be confirmed by the board engineer prior to the issuance of a certificate of occupancy. 13. The applicant shall comply with all fire department requirements with same confirmed inwriting prior to the signing of the
plans. 14. Applicant shall contact and work with the owner of the neighboring laundry to provide for the repair of the chain link fence between the properties with all correspondence to be simultaneously provided to the board engineer. 15. Hours of operation shall
be limited to 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Monday to Friday and 7:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. on Saturday. 16. The applicant shall execute a developers agreement with the Burrow of Morris Plains in a form satisfactory to the burrow attorney prior to the
execution of the site plan which shall include but is not limited to a a requirement that the applicant shall post all necessary performance guarantees and b a requirement that the applicant post all necessary maintenance guarantees. 17. The applicant shall be
bound by and comply with all the representations made by the applicant and the applicant's witnesses and professionals before the board at all public hearings. And the same are incorporated herein and our representations upon which this board has revived in granting the approval set
forth herein and shall be enforceable against the applicant and any developer of a particular section or parcel as if those representations were made conditions of this approval. 18. This approval is additionally expressly subject to the following conditions. A,
prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy, applicant shall demonstrate compliance with all performance standards to be reviewed and approved in writing by the board engineer and shall comply at all times with the burough performance standard ordinance. Continued compliance with the
performance standards shall be a requirement of continued occupancy or operation of any process or equipment. B. applicant to obtain all necessary state, county, and local approvals in conformance with the plan submitted and approved as part of this application.
19. Prior to the exec execution of the site plan, uh applicate shall obtain the written approval of all plans as finally revised from the fire department. B. Applicant shall obtain approval of the Morris County Soil Conservation District.
C. all plan revisions as required elsewhere in this approval shall be submitted to the board engineer, board planner and the board traffic consultant. 20. Prior to obtaining a construction permit, the commencement of site construction building permit and or land disturbance. The following
conditions shall be satisfied. Applicant shall one I pay all engineering inspection fees. Two, schedule a pre-construction meeting with the board engineer and fire sub code official. Three, submit a construction cost estimate to the board engineer for
determination of inspection fee amount and payment of inspection fee. And four, install an orange construction snow fence in order to protect trees and shrubs to be retained. Five, obtain a signed site plan. 21. Prior to the
issuance of a certificate of occupancy, the following conditions shall be satisfied. Applicant shall one obtain the fire department's written confirmation of installation of required fire safety improvements, site familiarization and walk through. Two, obtain police department's written
approval of traffic sign markings, site familiarization and walkth through. Three, obtain the burrow engineers written certification of satisi satisfactory completion of site improvements. Non-safety items such as landscaping, trees, top course of pavement, etc. may
be deferred due to seasonal weather conditions. Four, post a two-year maintenance guarantee for shade trees and landscape. Five, submit asbuilt plans showing building setbacks and utility lines and profiles and height of buildings. Six, obtain the board
secretar's written certification that adequate funds are in the board escrow account to cover all past, present, and future charges up to and including the issuance of certificates of occupancy. Seven, all deed of easements shall be
recorded in the Morris Canopy clerk's office and copies of same provided to the board secretary. 22. If any of the individual findings, conclusions or conditions as set stated in this resolution are subsequently declared invalid, then the remaining findings and
conclusions shall be deemed sufficient to support the decision of the board and the remaining conditions. 23. The board secretary shall provide a copy of this resolution to the burough attorney and to the construction official within 20 days of the date thereof 24. This
resolution shall take effect as provided by >> Can I have a motion to approve resolution 26-5 guess with whatever there was So >> second
>> yes >> yes >> yes >> mayor >> yes Yes. >> Okay. We're going to move on to applications then. The first one will be PB-2-25
SSNs block 41.02 block 39 They are. Part: 2
back. >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. Our next application is PB-1-26 Eminem and Mars Plains LLC block 121 block.02 I think I have it right >> for completeness.
>> Tonight the board will review the application for completeness and then depending upon the time the board will hear testimony from the applicant experts. I'd really like to not run past 10:30 with testimony. So >> if it does, it won't because of us.
For the record, I'm Doug Wilson. >> Mr. Wilson, Doug Wilson. It's great to be back here. I see a lot of new faces. I think the last time we had this project was approved in August of 23. Uh we're here for aesthetics only. Uh
we're changing the facade materials and colors of the building. Um and there's some internal changes to the layout of the apartments based on our market research as to what current renters would like to see in their apartments. Book building has not changed whatsoever. There's no change in
coverage, no change in height, no change in setbacks of sideyards. Um and because they're adding brick, which is like an first. >> Well, whatever you want to do, Andrew, >> I say anything getting into substance.
Let's I would say get the completeness done and then then you're saying >> Fair enough. So, we think we're complete. I think we complied with what was requested of us by Leon and Liz. I leave it to the professionals to tell us whether they're satisfied. >> Well, it's up to the board to decide
that, but Mr. Chairman, I submitted a report dated January 22nd, 2026. and dealing with post and with some application comments. So, regarding completeness, the applicant is requesting 45 site. Now, on the surface,
that sounds like a lot, but you got to remember the context of this application. It's simply for facade changes to the building, colors, materials, etc. Those kind of things. There's no site plan work at all involved here. No change to the site
plan. So, most of the wavers have to do with plan requirements and all those things have been dealt with in the prior approvals that still stand. There's still a standing approved site plan this for this site and again repeating myself. This is only the only and the
lawyer might be able to put that on the record too. This is only for building facade changes and some minor interior changes. >> We're in your ballpark. >> What did I do wrong? >> No, no, I was saying I cut him off when
he was explaining that that >> that's right. He was about to get Okay. So, the there if I just go by item number for the for the requested variances. I'm sorry. I'd like to do it that way, Mr. Chair.
So, it's eight, items 11 through 13, items 7 through I'm sorry, items 22 through 37, items 39 through 47, item 50, item 51, item 52, item 54,
item 55, 56, 57 A, 57 C, 57 D, 58 through 64. Those are the 45 request. >> I have no problem with any request and we recommend that the board grant them
proceed. >> Um, so I did a report completeness report and a review letter dated January 27th, 2026. And I noted similarly to Mr. And many of this much of this information that we would typically require or do require in our our
checklist has been provided as part of the overall site plan and the previously approved site plan. And you know, including things as late as 2023. Some of some things like the grant of the scale on the drawings. Well, that's something that we granted last time. It
doesn't seem like um a huge lift to grant it again. So, I would I am in concurrence with um Mr. Wright and I deem the application complete. I recommend >> okay have any concerns or questions?
Want to pass a motion and move this along the application. >> Second. >> Yes. >> Here. Yes, >> Mr. Bezel. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Mr.
>> Yes, >> Mr. Houston. >> Yes. >> And Mrs. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Um, now that we complete, Mr. Bur, perhaps you could confirm that our notices are adequate and the board has
jurisdiction to hear the adequate and the board does have. >> Thank you very much. Glad to be back. We only have the one witness to go over the facade changes. Um, and as I was going to explain, there is a slight increase
of 400 square feet for all four buildings because the brick thickness is like an inch. So when you add the second, third, and fourth floor inch to all the buildings, it's actually an extra 400 and I think five square feet
for all the but not the but not the floor plan, not the foundation. That has not changed. So there's no anything else the plans you have. Um, and with the board's chair's permission, I'll call Caroline, our engineer, who
can go over what's not changed and what is changed so you can understand it and make a determination requested. Please raise your right hand, state your name, spell your last p.
>> Do you swear or affirm the testimony you give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you got testified before, but just for the record, tell them you have a license where you standing and by this other
board. So, um, >> move that speaker. >> Yeah, I just needed my hand. >> What happened to the mic that was always here? >> Yeah, I will.
>> So, I graduated uh from NY 2013 for architecture. I got my New Jersey license in 2017. I am currently engineers in Livingston and I'm a project architect there and on this project >> on this project and you appeared here
before this >> I appear on this board and many other boards and my license >> I ask you accept her as an expert engineer >> I think we will I appreciate that Mr. Thank you very much. >> You have some exhibits that um we can show the board to they can understand
what we've done to the outside of the building and then we can show what we've done to the inside of the building. >> Are these part of the planners that they have? >> Yes. >> We don't need to independently mark. >> That's correct. Just reference the sheet that you're talking about.
>> Thank you. Um I have two easels here. package is pretty heavy. So, we want to try to separate it. We have three large buildings uh here and we have uh we're going to show what was previously approved, what is now proposed. So, there was um you're going to see the
previously approved on right here and the proposed on the left. Um so, uh the purpose for um this presentation here today is to demonstrate the changes to the building uh facade
as well. some of the minor modifications to the interior layout of the apartments and the amenity space on the ground floor. >> Do you have any color renderings to show the before and the after? >> We did not prepare previous rendering,
but I will demonstrate that on the building elevations for every of the buildings. Um there are four buildings uh are being proposed. here on plan north it's road there's two buildings that face road building 1 A 1
C and building 1B 1 are on the bottom and they're all Where are these? Yes, you will not. >> So, um just as a reminder on this on sheet 110,
uh you have before and after comparison and the The increases as I mentioned they're due to the fact that the material thickness on exterior of the building on the upper levels um increased and we typically
measure the gross square footage to the exterior phase of the exterior wall. Um >> was that correct? It's 405t >> 48 by square by8 and the number.
There were no changes made to the unit counts uh unit distribution um unit mix affordable or market rates. This is solely for the interior of
>> Are there interior walls that remove >> interior walls the walls of the apartments or the hallways? >> Can you give an example of that? Is there >> Yes, there is. Okay. So, what you see here on S1 123
is the south elevation of what you see here. the bottom of the sheet. And this is typical for all buildings. Um, but what you see here at the bottom is previously
approved uh material palette uh that composed of baby brick which was palmetto. Um then we had lots of gray which is dark gray, medium gray and light gray. what you see in quick summary and what
you see on top here is the new proposed elevation that have much more um it's a different palette. So what we did is we took this there was a lot of beige we tried to modify that a little bit and we decided to go with the red. So instead
of the palette over it we are now going burgundy sand. We have some black accents which previous at the base in some location at the base of the building. Um then we have some dark gray fiber cement accents that are
on the towers of each building and between the windows. Uh we have medium gray that is along the top here and a few other locations on the elevations. And then we have the light gray that kind of of the bricks throughout.
>> Caroline, did you bring any samples we could show the board? >> Yes. >> Does the board like to see the previous comparison? >> Thank you, sir. as mentioned there was a lot of beige on all the previous tried to um limit that
beige. >> So what we also proposed on the new material palette was rough cast stone at the base. Now all these new brick replacements um are still brick. There's
no There's no modification to the quality of the materials. We actually improved it by adding significant amount amount of brick throughout all the elevations of all three buildings. >> What we also did >> had enough
we have a lot more opening from each building. This here I open it to SB 224 which is a west elevation of building uh 1C.
So what you notice what was previously um used for the exterior materials was that on building there was different materials proposed. We had the ash stone at the base that was not used in any
other buildings. Um I mean building 1B or 1B. Also, um we had cans of gold brick only on this building that was not used on on the other buildings. The what we also tried to do
with the new material palace was to uniformly um show the same materials on all four buildings. In this case, the the actual stone was replaced with gold that I previously mentioned on building 1B.
Um, in addition to the material changes, one material that was eliminated was metal panels. Metal panels used was limited to the corner towers on previously approved schemes. So here we just uh simplify that by using fiber
cement uh panel for all the grays. I would like to mention that the windows themselves did not change. Nor did the nor did the um the garage
design what was previous to be approved. >> So the garage grills are the same. >> That's correct. >> No value engineering. considering where we wanted to be a nicer building that we were showing um and they put their money
where their mouth is. So going back to the windows, I would like to point out one thing that in building 1 C and 1 A on the short elevation, the windows previously were narrower and we ended up actually
increasing their size. You can see that difference here. You can also see that um the material changed. Even though here we use stone and brick, we just modified the colors. um and actual material to to match the other
buildings. Um one thing that I also wanted to bring up was the um the rail design at the balconies and the roof level. Previously we had uh wire mesh railing throughout
on all the balconies and roof rails interchangeably with the fiber cementes. U that was replaced with horizontal bar gu bar rails um black in tone to match the windows.
Um this provided this added more lightness to the building and more transparency into the I'll now move on to the interior of the building. just let the record know what sheet
you're looking at. >> So, starting with 400, here are some sample typical apartment layouts to use to visualize the changes that were proposed. Uh the changes were um beginning
of the start of the changes for units was due to the code changes in the New Jersey IDC. Um there was some requirements to increase the ADA turning spaces within the apartments as well as additions of rated shafts for
refrigerant line for the furnaces. Um we start to incorporate those but with those changes we also look at uh improving the interior layouts. Um you will see that there are some very minor changes in just shifting the walls few
inches here or there but in some locations um and then this is example of change due to market desires or um what the client is seeing in the market right now was previously approved. We had a onebedroom unit with a den in the bottom
corner. When you entered you had the kitchen on the left and we had a series of doors uh that served a mechanical closet washer dry and then the living space and the bedroom above. In the proposed change where you enter, you still have the
kitchen on the left. You still have the living room um with the balcony. You still have the bedroom. But what changed is the den was removed and was replaced with a laundry room with a mechanical closet within. This is a typical A6 bedroom which is a
portable. very minimal changes. See, but what you also can notice on this sheet is that the overall dimensions of the units were not changed. We previously mentioned that the force of all the units did not change.
Um for the purpose of this exercise, it would be too many distinguished unit types to to show the square footages. We show one one unit A6 had a brick on the exterior
which increased the square footage versus the other one had a previous um finish that the square footage stayed the same but um >> square footage that's measured to the outside of the wall not the inside >> correct however the the studs the wall
framing on the demising side on the corridor side on the exterior did not Mayor asked you about what interior walls as an example for change. >> Answer this question. >> Yes. >> Just an example.
>> Yes. So the here's the two bedroom the overall layout and I'm looking at the 401. The overall layout layout remained same. There were some adjustments uh as I mentioned to the
laundry rooms, the bathrooms increased in size. We confirmed all the clearances required for the new code. And what you will see in all of these is that there was a very small shaft added at the mechanical closet
locations. They're almost fairly noticeable. Um they're very narrow. We try to minimize make them as small as possible just to compile the code to fit all the mechanicals in there. That's for code compliance.
>> That's correct. Um, another example of changes of the wall locations. If you go to um 402, the biggest impact were the corner units. Um, where we took a look at the circulation from the main entry
into the living space. Most of the time they were on a diagonal. Um while um we made a change to make it the entry more squared off with a common corridor going right through and then making a
left and you enter the large open space. the the bedroom counts, the bedroom locations um stay out of the yard. And similar to what we did to the previous u here, it was replaced with a dining
room. So the living open space is much much larger here. In some cases, um the market variety were kept You also made some changes to the amenity area.
>> Yes. >> Window placement is all remain the same. >> Yes. So on the left here we're looking at drawing SD 100 and on the right we have SD 110. It's previously approved first
floor plan versus proposed force plan. This is where we have the amenities inter amenities for building 1B. If you look closely, you will not majority of the program remain the same. The main modification to the program was
relocation of the co-work spaces. Uh they were previously proposed previously approved within uh off the lo the main lobby. We had a large large game lounge that was off the lobby as well. Um
the the leasing office, the back of house remain as is. There's the party room as is. The fitness center, the kids center, the restrooms, the pet spa, they both remain as as they were approved.
And what's being altered here is the previously mentioned co work spaces from main lobby were moved into more um private area. >> The lobby became more open. A small cafe
where residents can grab coffee on the way out was incorporated. The game lounge decreased in size and in place in partially where the game lounge used to be a private dining space was created for tenants use and as I mentioned the
co space we still have the the media party room which room used to be a golf lounge golf simulator we changed the name to sports simulator just because now the technology keeps evolving and it's not only golf
simulator it's all different sports And what the new program here you will see is a um spa which includes two sonas and a massage room. There is also a small amenity space
within building 1D which is on drawing N300 previously approved and 310. So this here amenity is much smaller than one.
>> You also have coes the number of spaces remain laid out differently. If you noticed in the new proposed plan when the main lobby is much more open, all the secondary programs for the mail and
package room were moved to the south south of the stair and elevator. Also, what was changed is the um restroom locations. Um if you recall on the overall
site plan, architectural site plan, the large outdoor amenity is right here. the left between 1B and 1B. Uh we wanted to provide easy access to a vestibule and to anyone that needs to use a restroom um on this part of the building without
actually going into the lobby. What we also did, you'll notice here on previously approved plans, there was a small um hatched area within the park garage that's that was being not used for anything. Uh we want to gain that
space into the lobby and that's where you see the package room. This is about 200 ft that was added to the interior space from the park garage that was so that wall was moved out towards the parking area some space from the garage.
>> Yeah, you move the wall. >> That's correct. So in overview for the exterior elevations, we modified um we changed the materials um for the material pallet to be more comprehensive and refined and
and matched through the whole development for all four buildings. Um we increase the square footage on the upper levels due to the change of the of the material from fiber cement typically to full brick. There were no changes against the unit
count unit types or distribution. Um and the apartments were adjusted, modified in layout to comply with new New Jersey IBC requirements and some of the um suggested market values by the clients. And then we also made the
interior amenity ground floor amenity layout just to see what the new market standards are. >> We didn't change the size of the There was no amendies in building one and 1 C and final there was no changes to the building
on site. >> That would be the testimony that we would offer from an engineering standpoint. Mr. Chairman, good job. So professionals do we have any questions? >> So I have one question for the architect engineer.
>> So the uh the previously approved plans for the roof showed screening specific screening for the mechanical equipment and details of that screening. The new plans do not show those screening or detail. So I just want to make sure >> there are no changes at the roof level.
The screens would remain as previously approved. >> I assume so, but I want those to be put on the plan. >> That's all I really like. >> Any of our board members? >> I have one question. I'm sorry. Uh, for
some of you that don't know who I am, I'm Leon Hall, the former burough engineer, just just so everyone knows. Um, in his opening comments, Mr. Wilson said that the facade thickness changed in thickness by an inch.
Is that accurate? >> It's it's few more inches than that. So previous fiber cement is typically one in thickness. Uh while after we add a full size brick, we typically provide 2 in cavity and the brick itself is uh 3
and 5 in thickness. So the increase will about be about 4 in. >> I thought it was just this. So that's the entire brick. It's not just a piece of slice of wood. >> No, it's three. >> You're using full brick, not cut. >> Correct.
>> Full brick and full stone. >> So you say the facade thickness is increasing by 3 in. Is that correct? >> About 4 in. >> About 4 inches. And that's around the entire perimeter of the building. >> No, only where the brick was added.
>> Okay. Uh, does the new brick face Taber Road? >> It does. >> Uh, so does that mean the building is 4 in closer to Taber Road than it was before? >> It's not. >> It's not. So explain it's only the second, third, and fourth floors.
>> I'm asking her the question >> because the the the stone on the ground floor remains in in the same location. The the brick was added on the upper level and now it's aligning with the below.
>> So for all >> protruding farther out outside the building >> for all stories. >> Correct. >> But you just told me the brick thickness was 3 in thicker. >> That's correct. >> I guess I don't understand that.
>> Let me ask your question. When you move the brick out for the full length of the brick, is that down square with the bottom? So it's exactly in the same location. >> That's correct. So previously there was a offset between the ground left first floors and the floors above.
Now we are eliminating that offset. >> So before the first story protruded three inches further. No that's unchanged. But now the upper stories, second and third and four stories are coming out to meet the facade of the first story. Is that correct?
>> Correct. the outside >> that has not changed. >> There are no changes to the other amenities. >> So what was previously approved is what we're going to see. >> The landscaping that was previously
approved in that area. the railings and the rock walls uh brick walls and everything are they going to remain there >> on the ground level of the outing space there are no changes what the one item I
would like to point out is on building 181C and those not familiar with the project is building 181C paper road from this elevation The two buildings are actually they're
three stories and there's a great change here at the driveway level. So you have this um masonry wall what we previously had a full parapit masonary parapit. We we felt it it was a very tall wall. It
seemed too heavy. So we shortened that masonary wall and called for a railing. I would like to show you. >> Can you just you have that. Just point out where the outside amenities is for everybody
>> here between 1B and 1 to gain access to the outdoor amenities. This is the lobby of building 1B and the two restrooms I mentioned and a door here. And then there's access to the lobby
here of building 1 B which is this hallway is a space. There's also access here that takes directly to the other restrooms so it's easily accessible. And this is the wall I mentioned and
this is where we added >> we are looking at 24 Can you say that again? Now >> you asked about the railings on the ex on site. I wanted to point out
>> um there was a full height wall here where there was a great change from the threetory building on paper road down to fourtory buildings on site. We felt that this wall here, solid uh stone wall, was seemed too heavy. So, we shortened it up
and we added a 42 in high guard rail. >> So, the staircase that was there >> still two staircases, >> right? What kind of stairs are they? Middle kind of stairs. >> No, they're
open back or they >> Well, they're open to above, but again, the wall was The back of the sphere open back. >> Is it like slack? >> It's solid. >> It's solid concrete.
>> So, do you lower that wall 42 in you say? >> Yes. >> Okay. From the tab road. Uh, you is that also drop 42 in? If you drop the wall in the back near the internal driveway, you drop that
wall 42 in. Correct. >> Yes. on the Taber Road side of that wall, did it also come down 42 inches? >> There was no wall Taber Road if I correctly. Um, but you don't see a solid wall
looking at from Tab Road under the development. You see the rail >> 502. >> It shows we wanted to kind of show um the same use of building materials on
all four buildings, the common courtyard and how everything kind of ties together >> much better than before. Sorry. And then this is the railing. So now we have a more transparent view, more delicate from especially from the
side that seemed too heavy >> and and nothing looking from 53 that walkway and all that. Right at the bottom of the picture there, >> there were no changes to the sites of buildings.
>> So that that area between building 1 A and 1 C, that tan color in the center that did not change in elevation. >> No. >> Sorry, I didn't ask. And those
>> I can't see it that well from here, but >> we'll get that detail. We'll get that repeated on the new drawings. >> All the mechanical units are being minimally offset from the exterior face of the wall below and they're all screened including the elev.
>> There any changes to the balcony railings or any of that? >> The only change is to the uh the design of the rail. Previously, it was a wire mesh rail which visually it seemed more solid. We tried to lighten
up the building by introducing a more transparent horizontal bar >> or the position of right. They're all the same. >> I have a question here on Let's go to S1
and I have a lot of questions and I don't know how long we're going to be here tonight and some of them are to bring up, you know, bring this up to speed for our new members. I think Jason and I are with any of the M&M stuff. Not from the beginning, but
>> No, not from >> Yeah. Okay. So, we're looking at S D311 and we have A6. Let me see if I can find Okay, A6.
>> Just above the storage room. >> Just above the storage room. No, I need it on the other page. Got it. Up here on your um up at the top where this shelf shows what? See up at the top
right where it shows that A6 it says two bed. I couldn't find the other bedroom. Well, that's a mistake throughout. So, I don't know if you're going to have to do recalculations or it's just
>> it's it's labeled here correctly. It would just mislabel. >> Right. But, but now you have all the you know how many of each and I'm not sure that you're going to have to change all of those, but that needs to be corrected. I will recount it but I believe it's just in
>> it says there are six twobedroom when in fact A6 is a onebedroom >> correct >> but up here >> I understand >> okay >> I believe it was here >> but this happens on several other pages
on each floor each floor where you have that A6 it also says same thing up here >> so in this building there should be six A6 which should be say one.
>> Okay. Well, where wherever else they are A6, that change should be made. >> Were they previously two bedrooms? I'm >> no just >> a typo. >> Those were the ones that were two bedrooms with one bedroom with no window.
>> But but graphically it's it's >> it's one bedroom. >> So you just have to change that chart and make those corrections. I mean, I don't know if that changes your totals in any way. Okay. >> Okay. I I mean, I have some other
questions, but I don't know. You don't want to go past 10:30. And >> I'm okay if everybody's okay. I'm not the only one here. So, >> honestly, >> um >> I mean, I know how close we are to finishing. So, >> I would hate to see you come back next
month for Mr. Chairman, point it's just a personal request for privilege. I'll be in Florida your next meeting. Can we please finish tonight here tonight >> in this cold? >> So, I would I would ask the board's
indulgence to finish tonight. >> So, these are just some questions, general questions I have. And I've been through this so many times. I just want to figure this out because I don't remember all. >> You're the only one that caught it. So, keep going. >> Pardon me. >> You're the only one that caught that.
So, >> okay. >> I'm happy to hear it. >> What's the capacity of the elevators? >> How many people can you get in there? I'm just curious. So, um each building has at least one elevator. Um
that are designed 3500 pounds which are are able to accommodate a stretcher. stretcher is about 84 in diagonal. So someone >> depends if you're on
eight to 10 people I would say. >> Okay. Per on the larger elevator >> and and they can accommodate the stretcher like this. It's >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Um so how many of the bathrooms how many
units have a compant bathroom. >> Um, none. All of the units have ADA adaptable bathrooms. All the units are type A units which require all the access to be uh ADA access. Um, and then
all the interior spaces, the bathrooms, uh, the kitchen to be adaptable in case someone comes with disabilities. Um, the landlord is able to make adjustments without significant
obstructions to accommodate the person >> just because I saw you know a lot of bath tubs which are not ADA compliant. >> They uh by code they are allows for tubs and they consider them
ADA. >> Okay. Um, so are any of the affordable units age restricted? >> No. >> Okay. Um, is there an onsite building manager?
Yes, >> office. Okay. So, um the mayor and I have this question. You have a massage room. You cannot use that unless you get a permit.
>> Yeah. It's it's not a commercial massage. is only it's like if you're in the gym and you have a personal trainer come and help you work out. That's what it's for. Only residents and we would accept any condition to that and and the resident has to themselves arrange for
the masseuse. >> No profit, no charge. It's it's not a business and we don't take any responsibility for running that. That's a it's a convenience. We're told by our marketing people that that's something that the generation of people they
expect to live there will will want to have. >> Do you know if we need any? >> I don't I don't know specifically. I would say that this is not a commercial massage facility or gym. So to the
extent they would need a license for that, I would leave that to the the code off. >> Yeah. As long as it's not a service provided by the >> think think of it when you when you're working out and you have a trainer comes and lift more, lift more, keep going, you can do it. I mean, that's really
what this is. >> There's no money exchange there where you can come in and get something. >> I suspect the tenant may pay the mass, but we're not involved in that. It's not a profit center. We're not running it. We don't we're not in charge. >> It's just available.
>> It's available for tenant the same way >> they want it. Okay. and and you do and this is just to refresh my memory because we've done this many times. Um any of the storage units that are
there like in the in the garages and in the actual on the floors there's a lot of storage. They have to pay for that. >> It's a it's an additional >> additional charge >> charge. >> Yeah. Okay. I mean, do you want to talk
to or you Okay. I just want to make sure that we're asking the right questions of the right people. Um, so that's all you have to pay for that and that would be separate. >> A separate charge. >> Okay. Um,
let's see. So, there are no threebedroom units here at all. Just the two, the one, and the affordable. >> Okay. Um, >> there some threebedroom affordables, right? No, >> no, there's no threebedroom affordable required to to have that. No,
>> no, they Sorry, I'm late. I'm just going to jump in. >> The third bedrooms, the three bedrooms were all put in the 100% affordable building. All >> the one all the ones and twos are in this building. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay,
>> that's what I was answering though. >> But you did it better. Okay. >> Faster. Well, I mean really these questions I've forgotten some of them and our board members some of them most of them are new. So I you know wanted to clarify all that. >> So I think I think that's all the
questions that I have. >> I just I have a a question. Sorry I don't want to be the last. I'll make it quick. Um on the materials what is it? The materials legend. Um on some of the materials. It says,
you know, the material name and then it says or approved equal. Can you just clarify what that means? >> Is it quality or color? >> It's it's more of a color. I believe that was noted on the material between the windows. We for aesthetic purposes.
Um we're not quite sure exactly what window will product and a tone of dark gray black will be used. And we will do our to match that panel that's in between the windows to the volumes
>> just so there's no additional variation in the grace. Um so right now with that spec we're we're hoping for it to match but we want to reserve the right to adjust it slightly. Uh it will still remain as a fiber cement pan. just the
color itself with more detail, but that's exactly what that means. >> That's typical in the in this building. >> You don't always know what's available on the marketplace. >> So, I think you come back. This was
before I was on the board, right? Is this the second change? Second change in material. So what's is it >> that's it? We're not going
>> So when when are you uh planning on doing this? >> I asked that question knowing that some would ask that question. >> We're anticipating late spring, early summer, Judish >> of 2026. >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> Building is up. >> No, I'm aware of that. And uh yeah, >> no, we're interested in getting rid of the snow started. >> So this is it. >> We hope so. Not making us any money with nothing there. >> Nothing there for a little.
>> We have We have the biggest incentive of everybody. >> Well, I mean, there have been a lot of complaints about exposure of the building that's there that's not particularly attractive. And we keep telling people there's going to be an attractive building in the front, but
we're anxious. >> I I get it, but nobody wants to build this building more than we do. >> Usually it's the people that don't want to build the affordables. We did that right up front. >> In fact, all the town had to sold.
>> Yeah. And they're all market rate. >> Well, we didn't build those. That's >> No, I know that. I know. That's why we're still waiting. >> Yeah. So, I mean, we obviously can't hold you to it, but we're hoping that this is the real deal.
>> Okay. >> So, sorry, just a question. I didn't get a chance to ask it. Um, SD 123, um, it looks like on the previously approved plans, >> uh, there's a canopy
>> and on the newer plans there's no canopy. Is that right? >> That's correct. >> The can view was removed. >> It was It was replaced and I apologize. I don't have that slide with me. >> As part of previous approvals
at the courtyard, the courtyard was this year. >> Oh, there it is. Um, we introduced a pool house and a large canopy that covered the outdoor seating and this was approved and that's replacing that
canopy that you see here. >> Okay. So, that that section that we're looking at on 123 faces. >> That's correct. >> Okay. And so, what you showing on that on that front page rendering is the new
one. It's just it's just not shown on the >> just not shown on the the top drawing on 123. Is that right? >> That's correct. Previously the mechanics were attached to the building while this one has a a minimal separation.
>> Got it. Okay. Okay. So it's not no longer attached to the building. >> Yes. >> Understood. Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> Good. >> Okay.
So members, can we grant the approval of the public. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Does the public have any questions? >> Sorry. I'm really sorry. >> Hi there, Jason. Died court. So, >> can you spell your last name? >> Di E A L E SI. Um, I'm actually the
neighbor of this property. Um, so we're excited to see it built. I would like to know there is >> Sir, I didn't get your address. >> 12 Ken Court. Uh, I'm president of the HOA. We pay a master association fee to Eminem annually and we've been told that that's
for amenities. So I'd like to know what amenities you're going to receive. >> Who told you it was for the amenities? >> The developer did. >> Specifically who >> specifically who?
>> Who told you? Lard. >> You probably have to go to Lard and see what they promised you. >> Eminem sends us a bill annually. >> Vinnie or >> So I I guess I'm asking if I want a massage. Can I get a massage?
>> The answer is I don't know whether the townhouse people are allowed to be in the apartment amenities. I don't know the answer to that. I think there was some testimony in that regard. Uh I just don't remember what it was, but this was discussed.
>> But you've been paying that bill for a couple of years and um we stopped paying it because we would like a meeting that >> I just I think that's important for the board to consider the relationship thus
far with the neighbors. I think can you facilitate a meeting? >> Can we do that at the end after we're done? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Don't go away. >> I just think that's important for the board. 139 homes. We pay close to 1.5 million in taxes to this pearl.
>> We don't own that property. We sold it. >> So, we'll find it out. >> Any other questions? Hey, board members. Can we grant approval for this application at the meeting to memorialize it at the next meeting? And do we want Mr. Brewer to draft a resolution for approval at the
next meeting? I go for the draft of the >> Do you think we can approval? >> Okay, I'll make a motion that we grant the approval with any of the changes and any of the things that have to be
corrected tonight. And uh have uh we'll grant the approval and have have Mr. Brewer prepare a resolution. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Mrs. Thank you very much. >> Thanks. Yeah, let's go. All right, let's finish this up, guys. >> Do we have any old business? I don't know if it's
just >> So, so um at the last council meeting last Thursday, Mr. Houston said that at the next council meeting, he would be introducing the ordinance revising the checklist
application. I don't think we're ready for that because we given u suggestions and questions and everything back and we never got answers to those questions and I think we need to have an opportunity
to discuss these uh checklists and the and the changes that were made and the changes that weren't made and we haven't had a report from our planner yet about what she felt about the changes and there's no rush or no
urgy to this. So, I'm going to ask you not to introduce at the next council meeting because I don't think we're ready and I don't know how the other count the other members of the planning but um
there's no urgency to this. Okay, we need to go over it. We all have to be comfortable with it. And at the way it is now, I am definitely not comfortable with it. There are a lot of omissions that will not um were not corrected or I'd like to
know why they weren't. Okay. So, I think the planning board were very busy. We've been very busy right now. Um but maybe we'll have a chance when we can have a meeting and discuss all of this. But I'm asking you not to introduce that ordinance at the next meeting or until
we have had an opportunity to review this again. >> Well, we we did take the uh so I did um We did present it to the planning board. They did provide and board of adjustment
as well. They did provide their comments and the committee which was myself, Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Schultz all came up. >> Well, we'd like to know why we these things weren't considered. And you know,
with all due respect, Mr. Houston and Mr. Garagia, you have about two years experience. The rest of us have a lot more years of experience and we would like to know the reasoning why our comments were not considered.
>> Well, they were considered and they were considered by Mr. Ryen and Mr. Schultz who collectively have more experience right than all of us. So, they were considered. >> Well, how about how that have that our plan? >> I don't know. >> Well, you have additional concerns.
>> I certainly do. >> Okay. Then I'm happy those if you want to send them to me in an email or >> No, I think we all need to discuss them. >> I think probably would be good. I know we sent Karen Freeze.