To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> I hereby announce that this meeting is being held in accordance with chapter
231 of the open public meeting act. Proper notice of meeting dates has been given to the Morse news feed in the Morris County data record and posted on the bulletin board in the burough hall. This meeting is a judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments must be
limited to issues that are relevant to what the board legally consider in reaching a decision and to quorum appropriate to additional hearing must be maintained at all times. Parent roll call please. >> Mr.
Present >> Mr. W >> here >> Mr. Mrs. Steer >> present >> Mr. Houston >> here >> present [Music] >> Mr.
here as far attorney K. Kate Keller is here as borrow planner and William engineer. Is it coming? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Good. >> Okay. So, before we start, um, and I know John's not here, uh, I want to thank Mr. for stepping in and running the meeting. It appears pretty well. So again,
uh first item on the agenda are the approval of meeting minutes from June 16th of 2025. Each of the board members should have received a copy of the minutes. Does anyone have any additions or corrections from those minutes?
just above where it says these two applications. I think it should say specific to each specific zarian something. So
Mr. Mayor, you're saying these two applications before that. >> Correct. >> Okay. What's your plan? >> I believe there is two applications. You're I think what you're doing you're correct in saying applications but the
question is whether or not that's what I >> is that the meaning of that there >> it is the meaning I don't have a problem after board adjustment applications checkific She has something
that is >> Yes. >> Yes. >> No, I have correction. >> Oh, you have one too. >> On page 379 and the paragraph
Five paragraphs down this fellow replied there is a section state as you get to the end of that it says um Keller stated the burrow has to provide for a realistic opportunity for 10 new
units seven of these units are through it is not support of housing it's supportive housing Is that it for the meeting minutes? Just just to be just to be clear to
Jason, back to your point because I had written um some notes just for clarity. Let let me just This is the >> actually let me table that. Let me let me cover that. I'll cover. So, do we
have a motion uh with corrections with these minutes? >> Yeah, your your comments. >> Okay. All in favor? >> Can I get a voice? We have some people here tonight.
>> Yes, we have Mr. and Mrs. >> All in favor. >> I said >> next on the agenda is comments from the public. specifically for matters that are not
agenda. >> Kat 17 Wild Drive. Um I'm here inquiring um about the message received to the written response that Mr. Ron Kelly received from Mr. Brewer um that he would be eligible to um be reappointed to his
spot on the planning board if he were to leave his uh position at the community center and I wanted to know if there's any further detail on that. >> Um I haven't heard from Mr. But the board doesn't do the appointment. >> Okay.
>> They receive appointment. They don't do the appointment. So there wouldn't be any volunteer anything. But I I did not do that. >> Okay. Um Mayor Carr, would you be inclined to invite Mr. Kelly to be
reappointed if he leaves his job as a community? >> Yeah. And I've stated that previous council meetings and planned for And um is there an estimated timeline for that or would that invitation take place prior to the next planning >> Mr. Kelly?
>> Okay. What is the timeline? Because I'm sure there's concern for he leaves his job and then is invite is is eligible but is not reinvited. Like I'm sure there's a concern of you know how much time in between leaving the position to like reinvitation.
>> I'm thinking if it's me >> I think I think you're talking a lot of hypotheticals. I don't if I was John Moran and I was council it's just hypothetical you know there is you've been given
given the opinion if he was no longer employed and um and otherwise meets the qualifications then he would be they would be eligible to be reappointed that's completely up to him so I don't
>> not speaking to the speaker it's the timing that could even be a hypothetical start to that and then after that it's time boards can know for quite a while not having a full compliment that happen alternates things but that first timing
is >> and I don't know that he is going to anyway yeah no that's fair um if down the road I don't understand how all of this works with the classification of each member but if down the road he were to decide say he's reappointed and he were to decide you know I would like to be
employed by the burrow again is there an opportunity for him to shift classes so that he would be eligible to you know take an open spot at the community center if it's available. >> Again, that's a big hypothetical. Okay. There are various members that can be employed, cannot be employed. If there
are other people that hit that that are in that spot, it wouldn't be possible. I'm >> I'm giving way hypothetical governing body. >> We're just try trying to understand the process. It's all very nebulous. So,
>> I'm going to take a pause while we talk. [Music] Come on. That's Sure. [Music] Cats. Yes. [Music]
just reboot. There's a bunch of random people chatting on this. I don't know who they are. Test test test. [Music] Test test test.
>> One two one two one two >> are you need me to [Laughter] very fresh. I know that there will anyone else from the public.
>> Yeah, I know. Okay, I'll close this part of the agenda. Committee reports. Uh, any updates on the minor site plan committee? >> No updates on master plan review.
>> Okay, I'll close this portion of the agenda. Correspondence and bills. Karen, are there correspondences? Yes, there are. >> No correspondence, but Purchase order 2025111 Philips Price and Dragal
General Services for $165 June 24th purchase order 222 excuse me 20251110 Philips Gel affordable housing Invoice
$8,5412 and purchase order 20251412 price break out for affordable housing again $2625 on August packet here for two months of
bills. Purchase order 20251490 Falcon LLP Legal Services on August 13th $475.50 Purchase order 20251489 May Falcon LLP legal services on August
13th $7,630. Purchase order 20251286 LLP legal services $1,085. Almost done. Purchase order 20251287 for May Falcon. I'm sorryist.
June 16th for $840. Purchase order 20251285 Falcon McDonald's litigation on July 16th $2,135 and last 5119
Falcon on June 24th litigation 7 250. Do I have a approval for these bills? >> You usually make the motion.
>> I motion that these be approved. >> Does anyone second? Second. >> Roll call. >> Made. >> Yes. >> Mr. Wolf. >> Yes. >> Mr. Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> McCr. [Music] >> Yes. >> Okay. Next on the agenda are applications which there are none at this time. So I'll close this portion of the
uh old business. Mr. B. >> Sure. I can give a brief um nonprivilege just update on litigation um typically when an applicant or challenge
action by the board solely director in this decision decision. Uh in this case the um the objectors have u filed a motion to amend the complaint and to take discovery
which mean depositions and do some paper discovery to expand the record on the grounds that there were some invalid members of the board that's been opposed to decide that Friday it didn't. So it's big waiting game if the court grants
that motion delay case if the court denies the motion and says nope this is the regular um action there is a case management confidence on 28 and some but I have no updates for
you nothing to say other than Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Next under business, uh this is comments from the board regarding the application process that Mr. Houston provided some information on in June. Um
not being there, I want to provide some context just to make sure that we're we're covering everything. So, first, Mr. Wright and Mr. Schultz, Mr. Houston, and myself have been working on this application. Um, our goal overall was to simplify the document embodying all of
the necessary items needed between zoning requirements and requirements uh as well as provide a simpler form for the applicant for submission. The two documents that were sent to all of you contain all the same requirements
as is in the current document. However, the information in in my opinion is better organized and more easy to understand from an overall applicant perspective. And then getting back to Jason, what you would say in the notes, just a clarifying piece for the entire
team, a Morris PL planning board or zoning board adjustment application for subdivision and site plan review along with a checklist specific for each of those was created.
And then two, a Morris plan zoning board of adjustment application for variance relief and an associated checklist was created for that as well. So there's actually two sets of documents. So at this time I'll ask the board for
input based on review. If you have no input that's fine, but I guess Mr. I'll start down with you. >> I just want to know whether the board of adjustments has had a chance to look at their metric.
>> They have and I believe um Karen actually correct me if I'm wrong. That was in May or June. >> June. >> So those yeah those and those notes are
available. So if you wanted to see some of the detail of that discussion, >> but this is a green light from the board of adjustments at the moment. >> It is a Yeah, >> I just spoke to Dave. He just happened to be walking by when I was getting out of my car >> and he said no. He said they have not
decided on anything concrete. They're still reviewing it. And he said his expectation is that we could probably wrap this up by the end of the year. Okay. Um, so
he had no idea what we were doing, whether we had looked at it or not >> and what our comments were. >> Right. So green. So let's define green light. >> Yellow. So, so well, yeah, there's
after all is said and done between the zoning board, the planning board, they'll go back to council for for for discussion. And Sue, you're absolutely correct. This is slated to try to be finished by the end of the
year. Can I ask a question just a little bit with the board of justice? So >> any comments that the board of is not in these documents. >> So no my understanding is that there
were so so we put this together. So this was a collective right? So we put this together with input. Mr. Ryden was part of that. Um Mr. Schultz took that back to his board. My understanding is he did get some
input for updating or change and now it's our turn to add to that. The committee will collectively go back look at all that and if we have to come back again we will. But yeah, this is >> I just that was my personality.
>> But if we would want to see their comments, we would want to see what their comments are. Yeah. Um, >> Mr. Chairman here, I was at the board just meeting when we reviewed
and all the board members were in favor of it and I don't know that he took a specific vote, but when I left the meeting, everybody was happy with what we were doing and I thought Mr. Schulz was as well. So, I don't that flies in
the face of what you just said. So just let me clarify though >> and I'm not trying to put words in right now. >> Yeah. No, just let me try trying to clarify maybe or were they okay with the process moving forward or did they already look at this and have comments or every everyone as I as far as I know reviewed
all the docs said they were happy with it and that it should move forward >> and I think that's reflected in the minutes of the board adjustment meeting if you look at them. >> So
Well, the other thing I think I would like to see certainly before I make any more I have some comments here, but I'd like Karen to provide all of us with hard copies of the current all of the current checklists so we can look and
compare and see because I know there are things missing on this. I mean, there's steep slopes and things that are not on here. Um, so I know that But Andy, you don't know. You don't know that.
>> Agree. I went back and I looked at an old to try to look at, but I don't know what I don't know. Right. But I agree with what you're saying. I think we need to see them say, "Hey, I've got a list of things that
I think >> I think it would be helpful to copy and where all the changes are rather than have to flip back and forth the hard copies of the documents that >> was there in board
any other input from the board of adjustment from any members >> they were happy as as provided and that's that's my understanding sitting at the meeting >> yeah I mean all the all the Um, board of adjustments comments are all immed
which I have a copy as well all their comments in terms of what they wanted to update right but >> well there are comments >> there are comments yeah but but the intent of this right is and Mr. Maybe
you could explain it a little bit. Right. When we were talking about this, right, it wasn't I think the idea wasn't necessarily to to go back and and change everything line by line, right? I think uh you brought us some examples of um
we'll say other applications, right? And we use those as as a baseline. Correct. >> That's right. And as Mard said, TS4 like a comparison. There is no comparison. We we started from scratch. >> Would you like to make a comparison? That's fine. You can do that,
>> but you'll have to make your own because we didn't we didn't revise the old application and we check we started fresh application forms and take this off. >> No, we did not. >> So there is no what you took off or what you did
>> because it was so it was so voluminous the the other checklist and it was just a nightmare. So we decided let's take a fresh look at this. fresh start and just build it up and but it does encompass and embody all
the necessary in terms of completeness. You got to remember completeness doesn't confer any approvals or any any opinions about the merits of the application. It simply is an administrative process to get
between me and Karen to get the application ready for board members. Then all the deliberations start and we we try to make it so that we don't get these return after return people don't understand the process they
come in for five minutes here we can be in a meeting and then they send them away try to avoid >> the other thing I'd like to see I'd like to have Liz >> com Liz comment on it and hopefully that
if she'll be here or Kate, you'll be here after you review it. But there is one thing that's glaring on here that that I don't see. And on the application, uh there needs to be a paragraph where the applicant provides permission
for the board members to go on the property. Okay. Um that's absolutely necessary. >> Why is that necessary? because there were instances where we were not permitted to go on the property. And if you're going to review an application,
you better know that property. Okay. You better walk that property. You better go back there and see the trees that are in the back or the steep slopes or the drainage pit or whatever. >> Yeah, that's a separate document that that would be part of the application.
Mr. Schulz is going to prepare an instructions sheet if you remember. Oh, you I do remember talking about >> I'm just going to prepare an over an overview of the process and procedures instructions.
>> And then these other these other peripheral documents just like the escrow agreements and right to entry those are all separate documents and that's fine. >> And maybe we could get that whole package. Okay. Maybe Karen could provide that whole package. the current
applications, the board of adjustment minutes, and all those other documents that are part of the application process. >> I mean, I have similar things. Another question is the cover sheet meant to be a separate document as well
that Karen does. Now, it's got the escrow, it's got everything else on it. The only reason I Because for example, the type of um application it shows up three times in the same document shows up that kind of thing
that kind of we'll go over for a homeowner as well. Not with some of this stuff. Added an improvement. Um, some some residential properties have two front
yards. setbacks. I don't know if it's all going to be encompassed in these documents, but I think something that expresses that
there's permission for an adjacent res for things like getting a power line pulled down or something like that. Um, I think ask that out. >> So we we give a green light
construction and then consequences of the construction neighbors property. For example, on my power neighboring house.
There's no there's no way for them to identify who the vendor was maybe because the truck wasn't labeled um or whatever, but there's there needs to be privileges for that home to be
able to perform construction. >> That's not us. That's the construction. >> Okay. also surrounding the surrounding property owners 500 ft 200 ft,000 ft
>> and and there was first floor plan on the first floor. Why not the second, third, and fourth floor? So you're asking you're asking for it to include a plan.
It says it says in the checklist for variance applications it does say >> wait so to to clarify you know I think just just to be sure because everyone you know when we say the two different checklists so there's one there's two different packets here that Karen
provided tonight so everyone just clear the one is for subdivision and site plan review this can be either for the planning board or the zoning board these are your nonhomeowner let's call it applications then there's There's the application for variance relief Morris plane zoning board of adjustment. That
is what is for the homeowner application and and clearly you know as makes sense. This one is a lot more simple. Um it doesn't have as many of the requirements on it. So I think we but they but you know typically a lot of them are the same but I think we're making some kind of comments today. I think we just want to make sure that we're which which
packet we're speaking about today. >> Maybe we should put that on there. home or well well varian an application for variance rel zoning board of adjustment. It's hard to in my experience and this is just what I've been in other municipalities. It's hard to say just that because sometimes it's not a homeowner. It's a it's a C var. It's a C
or D variance application that does not have a site plan associated with it. Like for example, it can be for F or something like that. But it's so I think you want to I think this is clear applications for variance relief zoning board of adjustment something like that. But yes, but that does that goes to just kind of say that we just want to see as
clear as possible especially when comments tonight. And I I think part of the the idea too when when we were talking about it is that um it um to make it an online PDF, but would also um direct people where to go, right? So
they would as a homeowner you click just for an example. I'm not saying this work, but the the idea was that if you're a homeowner, you click yeah homeowner, it would direct you to the right form, right? So that you're not sifting through a bunch of forms that mean nothing to you as a homeowner,
right? So, >> so let's Yeah, >> let's get our stuff. >> I agree. So, I guess my first question that Mr. Ryden, you mentioned Dave Schultz was putting like a summary of
some sort together. Has he worked on that? Because I haven't. >> I haven't worked on it. He he was going to do that. >> Okay. So, first of all, >> in that back though, I still need to share with us. >> Yeah, I to actually see it. So, let me let me connect with him and I'll get
that >> and then I think we get all the documents that we just talked about the current application. We get the two sets, the new sets that we have. Um, >> all those signature pages that
>> Exactly. Yeah. So, we'll have to do that and then consolidate out there's other comments from the board. >> I will do that. >> Excuse me one second. I will give you a copy of the board of adjusted minutes that tells you all the comments.
>> I understand. I want to make sure that that's that's all of them. >> That was all of them. Okay. And also there was no motion made because Mr. Schultz turned around and said that he would get back to the committee who was in charge of changing it. So technically
the way I read it is that the committee are the ones that we have to get back to. So, I can take um board minutes and I can >> I'll email everyone.
>> How about making sure the whole package >> the current >> All right. So, I guess probably not. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's fair. >> A bunch of questions, too. >> Okay.
>> All right. So, we'll we'll table this maybe into and we'll get the documentation. >> Okay. Um Okay. I think that's it for business. So, new business
>> making this is old business. We don't have our new tax. >> You're right. We don't I I did the updates in April. The maps are all updated nicely on my computer. I just slipped my line for the prints. I'll have them here
by the end of the week. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Sorry about that. >> No problem. >> Anything else? Okay, I'll close that portion of the agenda. Our next schedule planning board meeting is September 15th right here in
the council chambers. Is there a motion to adjourn to next meeting? >> Second. Second. All >> in favor? >> Happy day. Really? [Music] Need a trip.