welcome to the Mountain City Council for Tuesday April 8th at 6 o'clock can we uh say the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right we got our agenda do we have any amendments no amendments okay can I get a motion to approve the agenda motion to approve the agenda can I get a
second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I i i those opposed all right the agenda is approved and now we got the consent agenda um does someone want to go through those items you can do that okay uh consent
agenda items A through E a approve payment of claims b approve minutes from the March 25th meeting c approve resolution approving one-year extension for expansion permit at 4870 4870 Edgewater
Drive d approve resolution approving public gathering permit for 2025 Mound Farmers Market and more from May 24th through October 11th with reduced fee and E approve resolution authorizing
transfer of funds all right we have A through E does anybody want to talk about any of those i do have a question on C so we're going to give them a one-year extension um how many of those are we you just got to pull you just got to pull it oh no okay never mind sorry
you want to pull it and talk about it sure okay good so we're gonna pull C that's more of a question does anybody else want to pull anything else all right so let's uh I'll take a motion to approve AB D and E
motion to approve AB D and E okay got a motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I i those opposed all right those pass do roll call oh sorry roll call please it's all right uh council member Heric hi council member Mciny hi
council member Pew hi council member Castellano hi mayor Holt I all right all that passes all right see go ahead just a quick question i was just wondering how many of these extensions do we provide so is it a one-time thing or do we allow them multiple extensions of a
year at a time jesse or Sarah uh good evening mayor and council uh this is actually the first uh one-year extension that we've received for the expansion permit since its inception um it the code allows for an extension and
in the event that something transpires they could either apply for another extension i don't think the the code prevents one from doing that i think in this case and I'm not sure if Mr barnes is here it's just a matter of getting plans done all the levels of information
that they need and also uh procuring a contractor was the reason for the delay yeah certainly i just was curious if Yeah I think this I think this is the first time yeah okay thank you Miss Eric thank you all right any other Okay so I'll take a motion to
approve C which is approve a resolution approving a one-year extension Excuse me extension for expansion permit at property 4870 Edgewater Drive on May 28th 2024 so if you anybody wants to do a motion a
motion to approve just say C so moved or something all right got a motion to approve can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I i i i
all right those opposed that approve that is uh approved so now we're going to go to number five we got comments and suggestions from anybody that the item that they're
talking about is not on the agenda you want to come up all right not hearing anybody so we got number six orno please come up welcome good evening uh nothing much to report from the last
week or the two weeks ago um everything seems to be on the even keel things haven't really kicked off for summer months we're kind of in that lull right now but we're uh still out and about uh everything looks good overweights uh people have been abiding from what we've
noticed uh no complaints through um 911 system like I said the guys are out looking for them they seem to be abiding by them and then also if they need something they are getting extensions or not extensions but permission to move stuff in like uh well drilling equipment
if it's an emergency type situation so those have held held pretty good uh the speed signs on West Edge have got I don't know if you guys have got the info on it i looked at it today um it it seems to be doing its job it's
looks like it's slowing people down um I think the next step I I kind of recommend is getting the traffic safety vehicle out there and actually um doing a little inspection of our own and seeing if we're if they're if the trailer and the sign are slowing people
down or if it's people are actually uh abiding by the speed limits there it's 30 miles an hour sometimes they get over 30 it does look fast so they may be doing 31 35 it's still speed limit is 30 so we should be checking on that just to
see where they're at for a good solid um baseline as to what's going on out there so So was the report sent to us already or um the one I don't know if Josh sent the newest one one yet no I can leave you this one can we get that
please yep oh sure can you just give it to me just pass it down pass it we can and on one of the signs uh I think it's the southbound sign on there it the average speed was
said it was 19 miles per hour um it's really low but you're but so I was out of the state for a week so when I came back the the trailer sign was up by the main intersection by the stop sign yeah
was it where we wanted it to be at all or No they moved it but it was um I think the one at the bottom of the hill that they put on the sign on the sign that's lighting up and catching I think people's attention right the one at the top of the hill I think it was we weren't sure if it was catching people
right at the peak of the hill but we was right so it was there it was in the right place where we Yeah it was we should have caught that so I think it's interesting just the number of volume of vehicles that are going up and down that road but yeah we need to look at this these details yeah their range is we we
didn't realize how much range they had they could catch a a pretty good distance of range so they were catching a lot more than what we thought they were catching till we went out and checked them so you're not going to you're not going to get someone going 40 miles an hour headed to a stop sign is my point no but it was coming up the
hill yeah so so it was but again I never saw it there so it it was only there for a week then yeah we moved it after we talked we moved it uh down the road a little little further okay cuz I don't think down the road would I don't know if we need that data it was too close to the stop sign and they did move it back
so and that was enough to catch like I was watching it when I got to the top of the hill it was triggering it okay so that's what we were trying to capture was What about right before you go down the hill or at the bottom of the hill cuz I know that that other thing on the stop on the the turn signal it doesn't
track does it it just warns people that they're going too fast the the sign on the on the post yeah no that's catching it's catching speeds it's in there yep um the front one should be the I believe is the trailer sign okay and the other
report should be your um your sign speed sign that we have up okay do we feel like the trailer part was put in the right place i think for what we were trying to capture it was working because I thought we were going to get them before they go
down the hill or as they get to the bottom of the hill that's where they're speeding up no one's speeding up a hill oh yeah they are they're not going 30 40 miles up the hill no but they are coming down the hill really fast that's my point if that little sign thing that flashes on the curb sign is tracking is
tracking them and how far out is that tracking them uh it's right uh from where you can see it from where I saw it when I came up and looked at it it was catching my speed so where wherever it says is catching the speed it's like if I come down the hill and it's like you're doing 20
you're supposed to be doing 15 it's catching me there mhm okay it's catching you in the first third of the hill okay so that's good okay we were actually impressed on how well they they were tracking cuz some don't do that and some do so all right well can you send it to Jesse and then have him send it all out
yep i can give this to him i'm assuming you can scan it and email it real quick um other than that that's kind of all we have there's not much uh the school resource officer said there's not much going on either but they are starting construction at Grand
View Middle School um on the remodels going on there so there will be some work going on but should not interrupt any school activities or uh classes at this time okay does council have any questions comments update on Thanks
thanks for coming on thank you thank you see you all right number seven we got rain barrel sales event Harrison Bay Association hi thanks for having me i'm Angela Savstrom just have a brief update for
our third annual rain barrel sales event um so I'm a Minnesota water steward and did my capstone on on rain barrels and was just um I love how to just it's a really easy solution that any any homeowner can do so it's our third year doing it this
year with uh again with Mini Trista as well um so we have three goals just a real high level here so the number one is to reduce um storm water runoff so storm water is is all of the water that would if we if we didn't have all of our buildings here right all of the water that would that would soak into the
ground and be purified by the roots of trees and whatever um instead runs off roofs or roads and collects sediments pesticides pet waste whatever and then goes directly into our lakes and streams um one easy way that we can sort of
mitigate that that storm water from our roofs is capt capturing it in a rain barrel and then manually moving it around and watering our plants with it and giving it a chance to really soak in so the number one way is really to to limit the the amount of storm water um
the second goal is then to just help educate the community about this just really easy way that landscaping can be a way to um to help our waters and then third just to promote the rain barrel specifically that it's a really
cost-effective so we're talking like the price of going out to dinner um you can have a rain barrel that that you use forever year after year that's low maintenance that that saves you money on your water bill that saves the city of Mound and the city of Mini Trista um
gallons of water and and gives us um clean water for gardening like I said this is the third annual rain barrel sale so um we did 72 rain barrels the first year and 144 the second year um this third year we have
another 72 to sell and and at some point we'll hit a little bit of a a tipping point but I'm hoping that we still have enough demand this year to get another 72 out there it is kind of a first come first serve between the city of Mound and City of Mini Trista and right now we
have still 45 of those left to sell um they are $100 each or with a generous contribution from U um Bolton and Mink and the engineering firm at Mini Trista and the two cities any residents of the cities can can get those for
$70 they're all sold in advance um and then picked up between 10:00 a.m and noon on Saturday morning the 31st um that coincides with one of our um farmers market days so it's a time when we you know hopefully have a lot of people downtown anyways um and that is
right out of the parking garage in Mount the impact there so just in these 72 barrels that's over a 100,000 gallons of water that is saved from being storm water and then also is not pulled on an
annual basis um from our water supplies so the next steps we'll lead the distribution um again and thank you for your support the last two years we're looking for the same thing again thank you very much Maggie you've already sent me the the sheets that I owe you back here for the um public
gathering um we'll look again for help in unloading those rain barrels into the um parking garage and um for one more round of communication here so I don't know what the what the next best thing is if there's another newsletter coming out or something an
email but one more blast so far of the rain barrels that have been purchased I think like 30 of them are mound residents so we're doing great here and I was at Mini Trista last night and they're ready to pump out the communication too so so I think we'll I
think we'll be set any questions so you got you're anticipating like selling out again and you're not selling them that day that's just like pickup only hopefully it's pickup only yes that would be our goal how can people contact you to get a rain
barrel yeah okay so I have the link in here um and that would go right to the rain barrel sales and also to the HBA website which has my my number too so I'm just thinking if you mention it to the people listening yes okay thank you the best way is to go out
to the harrisonbay.org website um and that has information about rain barrels and also a contact that would lead directly to me perfect so thank you all right anything else no it was great thanks for doing it again this year thank you so much for your support
appreciate it thank you appreciate it all right number eight we got a public hearing uh Rita's going to come up and discuss it there we go all right good evening U members of the council members of the
public i'm Rita Trap uh the city's planning consultant uh before you this evening are public hearings as we've mentioned for land use and subdivision requests for Fern Lane Town Homes of Mound i'll provide an introduction um to the project and then obviously can answer any questions that you may have
before you have your public hearing um the applicant is proposing four fourale town home units um it's two buildings with two units each um and each unit has a two-car garage uh the units are oriented internally so they are
perpendicular to the street and they have a private interior drive that they all share uh there are a shared outdoor space and you can see it at the end where that gazebo is at the end of the driveway and then there is a deck on each unit um the applicant is proposing
as I said for sale units so there will be a homeowners association that would be used to manage the driveway areas and the public open space areas and then each unit would be sold independently uh in terms of a location this property is located on the east side of Fern Lane uh
south of Church Road it's behind the Commerce Place Shopping Center north of the post office fern Lane is a dead-end road in that location the applicant actually there are two lots involved and they're proposing to combine the two lots and it will be a 0.21 acre site
both lots are currently vacant um and again they are owned by the same folks that own the Commerce Place Shopping Mall uh across the street and I only bring it up because I will be referencing it a couple of times as we move through the presentation so the requests this evening are a major subdivision and preliminary plat and
that's to combine the two lots together and create the outlot that is needed for the homeowners association to manage uh a conditional use permit they are requesting a shoreland plan unit development uh this area is in the mixeduse district uh as it is in the
mixeduse district any new development within the mixeduse district in the city of Mound requires a conditional use permit for a plan unit development so there isn't something specific they're asking for that causes this this is just the starting point that we have in the city that it all projects of this nature would require a conditional use permit
uh these these pla or sorry these lots already have drainage and utility easements which I'll reference in a moment so they do need to have vacation of drainage and utility easements as well uh as I referenced the comprehensive plan for this area is mixed use uh the goal of the mixeduse
district is to com is to support a combination of commercial public residential uses town homes row houses um it's really meant to provide flexibility so there's options for infill development um the current density goal is 8 to 15 units an acre i
would like to note that this application was actually submitted um in late 2022 early 2023 before our last comprehensive plan amendment which means it was submitted um at the time that uh this area was actually guided for 12 to 30
units an acre and I only note that because it's proposed at 19 units an acre so this application has been in process for two years um the application came in and the planning commission did review it in 2023 and after we switched our rules um so it's kind of in a in an
interesting spot as a result of that zoning wise uh this is zoned mixed juice downtown as I had related it is a shoreland property um it is farther away from the north it's actually close within a thousand feet of the Lost Lake
channel and that area so that's why it's in the shoreland overlay district um and again a new plan development requires a cup um anytime anything happens of that nature in our mixeduse district uh so this shows you the plot um as I said each unit will be individual they each
have their own lot and block and then the rest of the site will be in and out which will be managed by the homeowners association uh the easements uh you can see on the edges that there are easements around the property um on here that need to be vacated um they will be
vacated and the entire outlot A becomes a drainage and utility easement um and so that's how those are getting adjusted uh that is something that needed uh specific public hearing notices uh and those were fulfilled uh meeting statute requirements i did want to note the
evolution of the project request as I've already referenced uh this project has been in the works for a while uh the project actually was submitted as the courtyard town homes um and the planning commission did see it at under that um it had five units um and that application was withdrawn it never made
it uh uh all the way for consideration it was replaced with the current project which only has four town home units um and then between the first planning commission meeting in March uh the applicant reworked some of the landscaping plan added the decks um and then also made some adjustments to
provide information about how garbage and deliveries and different elements would be handled in the plat the second planning commission meeting was held in October of 2023 um and the applicant or the planning commission recommended approval and then there haven't really been major changes to the application
there have been some adjustments and there was a narrative included in your packet materials uh where the applicant noted the changes that they had made overall for the whole project um and so those are just I wanted to note that just because of the time that has elapsed for this
project walking through the site plan um as I said there are two buildings a north building and a south building um the setbacks that are being established a plan unit development allows a lot of flexibility and so the applicant is able to establish through the plan unit development the sideyard setbacks and
the rear yard setbacks um the front yard setback is supposed to be between 15 and 25 ft and they are proposing 15 ft uh again the buildings are oriented internally which is is different than what we normally see in terms of orientation um and the building
obviously is way more than 50 feet from the lake um given I think it's 600 and some feet um so the setbacks that they are proposing on the north side is 10 feet on the south side is 8.7 feet and the rear is about 15 feet i didn't hit it uh architectural
requirements uh generally the design fulfills those requirements the applicant has incorporated some changes uh building massing those are elements that are part of the plan unit development and you may want to spend some more time talking with the applicant about what they've evolved and
how the the buildings will look uh we do have and you were included in your packet uh some of the computer graphics that tried to illustrate approximately what it would look like um and these are kind of the first computer uh generated graphics that they have uh building heightwise uh all buildings are required
to meet 35 ft maximum requirements uh we don't have a building form uh yet and that's not unusual for these types of projects initial information from the applicant would indicate these are about um between 33 feet and 34 feet uh to the midpoint of the roof but again the
approvals are that they have to stay under that 35 ft which is our maximum in the community um and regulatory flood protection elevation um they're generally uh because of where they are in the community that's not an issue for these projects parking wise uh the applicant is
proposing twocar garage for each unit and then there's two visitor spaces at the entrance of the development so there's one visitor space here and one on the the south side as you can see these uh these folks will have to back out um into the shared driveway space uh
to leave the project uh parking on Fern is generally possible but again we have the seasonal parking restrictions so overnight parking isn't really a possibility there has been some conversation of whether um there could or should be a easement or shared parking agreement with the shopping center since this applicant also owns
that um then that would have to be something established in perpetuity so that is an option um technically they are required to provide two car or two spaces and they have done that but I know we've had conversation and concerns about visitor parking so um I just wanted to acknowledge that element um
again turning radiuses were uh identified by staff as a concern the applicant has provided these turning diagrams to demonstrate that there is adequate space uh and they also have noted in their narrative that they are going to do wider garage doors just um part of the other concern is you know
getting garbage in and out may having enough space in the garage uh and they did provide illustrations to try and demonstrate that um typical vehicles could fit in the garage uh one area that has changed through the project is landscaping uh
the area h the current plan for landscaping is shown here um this plan has more kind of uh grass area with some trees um and some shrubbery kind of more uh toning it back a little bit from I think as planted as it used to be uh folks had planning commission had talked
about whether or not uh folks should be able to use the space um and so they have kind of put this landscape plan together and tried to cluster it so there's a little bit of lawn area uh that would be available for residents use storm water the proposed impervious
area is 64% the maximum allowed in this district is 75% with an approved storm water management plan uh and I'll reference this a little bit later uh relative to Minihaha Creek wershed district outdoor space again uh out the uh the rear
of the property there's kind of a shared community space shown with a gazebo there is a deck provided on the second floor of each unit um the proposed open space on the site is 34% uh and we don't have the same standards for open space for town homes
as we do for multifamily um because town homes are felt to be a little bit different in terms of how people relate uh to the property snow removal is going to be managed for the HOA uh again it was raised as a concern given the area on the site um again there is an
opportunity if that is of a concern to maybe look at or require some type of arrangement with the shopping center um and again that would be something that would need to be established by an easement something in perpetuity so if anything would happen um that that's something held on to with that uh
development given the the time uh between the last time the planning commission saw this and there was a public hearing um in March we notified a public hearing for the planning commission and uh then and again in October we notified the same folks because we had six months in between the
first meeting and the second meeting because of that time again to see you we notified everybody again to make sure there was an opportunity and everybody had um knew about the project and had an opportunity to speak so you may have folks in the audience that are interested in speaking on this in
addition to the public we also notified at each step of the process our typical list of staff consultant agencies to make sure um that we covered our basis and staff turnover means that not everybody would have seen it so in this last round uh of notifications we did
hear back um from four different agencies two of them as noted in your packet didn't have any comments it wasn't something of concern two did have concerns uh one is the DNR they noted the fact that this is within the shoreland overlay district and they wanted to make sure we were clear about that sarah and I know that almost
everything in mound is a shoreland project um but we didn't make it as clear um and so we did add uh clarity to that that it is in a shoreland district as I noted in the staff report as is typical with any of our projects in the downtown some of the requirements are
just not possible u 50% open space uh in the downtown area is not possible density requirements are challenging to meet um given a shoreline project we're also more than 600 feet away so this isn't interacting with the lake in the same way but we did want to honor uh the fact that it is and so you'll notice
that we were very clear in our language uh with these approvals the other one uh notice that came was from Minhaha Creek wershed district and it it indicated that there was some additional conversation that the applicant and Minihaha Creek wershed district needed
to have about storm water and erosion control um as you all are aware Minhaha Creek takes that uh responsibility for the city so they are the ones that would approve storm water and erosion control uh and so we made sure to link uh again or encourage the applicant to have more
conversations with Minihaha Creek watershed districts so uh again I wanted to note back I had mentioned when we do impervious surface you are allowed to go up to 75% as long as you have an approved plan so as long as Minihaha Creek approves how storm water is going
to be handled on this site the 64% uh that is included in this project uh is acceptable and typical to what we see with our downtown projects again as I said we mailed notice to all properties uh we did also because this is the vacation of an easement we also need to
um notice anybody who's in the plat which also includes those um so that everybody has notice of all those uh no comments have been received by staff uh on the project and we didn't have anybody attend either the March meetings or the the October meetings but there could be people today so uh when we hold
that public hearing again as I kind of referenced it was reviewed by the planning commission in March of 2023 uh they tabled the application and asked uh the applicant to address garbage and snow removal visitor parking deliveries outdoor space for children uh then it
was seen again in October 17th uh applicant made changes and at that time the planning commission uh recommended approval so again our request for you this evening is to hold the public hearing it will be considering all three of the requests major subdivision preliminary plat conditional use permit
easement vacation discuss the request and then take one of the actions either um make a motion to approve the resolutions uh or to deny that the resolutions or table and ask either the staff or the applicant to provide more information we do have three resolutions
of approval uh provided in your packet uh and those are because the planning commission did recommend approval uh so the conditions include the conditions recommended by staff as well as the additional conditions that the planning commission mentioned at their meeting with that I can answer any questions if
I didn't cover a particular topic in enough in enough depth does council have any questions for Rita you covered all of it i don't know i might not have there's a lot of details so happy to answer any questions if there are any uh the the March in 2023
that's when it was five units it was four units there was actually another project before that called the Courtyard Town Homes when it was five and this is always four this one has always been four so they did five and didn't receive great feedback on the five the fifth one was kind of in the back where that patio
is proposed um and because of that conversation they withdrew and then came back with this project but only has four cool you you might not know this answer but Oh boy the the town homes that we did on the island um of Island Park yes um with the
turning ratio is that similar you know I can look I I believe those are different my there's some on this side some on that side so but I don't think they're as narrow or narrow in the same way but I'd have I can actually I mean depending on how this goes I can look it up it it
might be a little short of time depending on the conversation well the turning radius has always been an issue and I still need reassurance that that can actually happen i I I just don't know how it can happen without crashing into the grills and things but
maybe everybody has slug bugs i don't know yes and they also are backing directly into each other across from each other right so there's pros and cons i mean you do get to know things when you live someplace but I think you know that staff has shared concerns about that since the beginning of the
project but but it is does it fit minimum guidelines for That's what I was going to say yeah for what it's a driveway it's not a street i'm sure there's like a minimum being the you know it has to be so wide
no there's a it's a driveway not a street so it's a different there aren't standards that we can look back at and say it meets the minimum standard so we asked for the turning rate assignment and they did provide it and that's why you have it is to say does that make sense to you um or not
i have to admit the island park when I've driven out there and it's very difficult to turn around in when there's no snow it's tight but it I mean it does work right i mean I don't have a little car but I don't have a giant car either i have a Yeah and that's the thing like I have a
big truck there's no way I would you know it would be very difficult for you but for other people have a smaller or I know and and the applicant provided you know they do have demonstrated that there's vehicles that can fit in there
um but as you know staff has shared that concern all the way from the beginning about facing structures on a shared driveway and visitor parking they met they meet the minimum city requirement well the city requirement is is met by
just having two spaces two per Okay and then they could park around the corner on any of our city roads just not It's the overnight part that they wouldn't be able to do but yes you could have folks that park in on Fern in the culde-sac or if you if you wanted it's
just that you couldn't do it overnight once seasonal parking restrictions yeah but they do have room for the two vehicles in their own garages okay and then this whole Minihaha Creek thing what's the deal with that uh that
is they need to work out the details because that's the responsible agency for it um the last correspondent so we received that comment we passed it on to the applicant they spoke with Minhaha Creek um and they feel comfortable that they'll be able to meet the requirements
of Minihaha Creek okay that's the best we can say um because that's a separate agency who is reviewing this and they usually wait for you to take action before they take their action so So ours would be dependent on them approving that is one of the conditions okay
correct cool all right any other questions for Rita no i mean I'm sure there's other projects that are that are that tight and I'm confident that you know they're not going to build something that people are going to get there and not not want to buy but you
just couldn't have a dually pickup I suppose no yeah the drawing or rendering here the trees are look like they're right between the road and the parking space is there really room to plant a tree there i mean is that what we're intending there there
is plans to put a tree right on and I wanted to go to this because I was trying to think of the sequencing of which diagram was done at which time um but there were plans to put trees there uh it'll be right tight against the road yes yeah we tight because that that lot
is very wooded i drove by it but anymore right which is why I'm asking about the trees right well what I mean they're kind of all thistly weeds yeah are they between the library and the property beginning
but those will all be gone yeah the post office okay all right do we want to hear from the developer or Sure do the public comment first or developer first okay if you guys want to come up just give us your name and address
please mr mayor members of the council staff I'm Scott Gates i'm here on behalf of the applicant sharers owns the shopping center and this parcel was part of the original transaction um it has been a little bit of a long
process um I kind of came in in the middle of it um after the initial five unit development and we sat down and took a look at the planning commission's concerns kind of went through point by point addressed those um Miss Mcani and
the planning commission did a great job um and if you read the narrative you can see a point by point how we address those um Rita did her usual excellent job so I don't think there's a ton of questions couple things I can address are the
turning radius um we did have an engineering turning radius done by the civil engineers to prove and if you really want to drill down I think it tells you what vehicles they were using for those as well um the garages will hold that image shows a Suburban and a
smaller SUV oh wow so they will hold that i think we expanded the garages just a tiny bit but more importantly we put 18 foot garage doors kind of expensive but it allows a little bit more room when you're pulling in and out
um the villages of Island Park are very similar um to this they're a little bit deceiving technically if you measure from garage door to garage door they might be a foot foot and a half different i don't remember the exact um but they have decks that stick out so
there's a roughly four foot deck maybe a three-foot deck on the fronts with posts so it's kind of like six of one half dozen of another they get along just fine i live across the street and you know everybody kind of figures it out and you both open your garage door at
the same time it's kind of like a four-way stop so um I I don't think that'll be an issue um I think the second thing that's worth mentioning um is let's go to your tree question in the
boulevard the trees can go where they fit um for example those two trees are close to the entrance but Fern Lane where the lower tree is stops right there basically it's a dead end right
and there's open space behind that so there's a little room to work with that the reason those trees were there was there was some concern about these are very tall narrow buildings and it's non-traditional so we spend a lot of time with the street
elevation to try and soften the masses that's why you see the color variations kind of like villages of Island Park did um the reality is it's a shopping center it's the back of the shopping center behind it and there's no traffic so if
you guys came and said "Well that's too tight we're worried that tree is going to get too big." We can look at some alternatives there um from from that point of view um and it is commercial to the south it's backs up to the post office to the south um I think the last
thing and then I'll answer any other questions um Minhow Creek Watershed District um the um civil engineer who did the plan initially determined that this would
not trigger an MCWD permit it's less than one acre and it's single family so typically that's an exception um I'll divert for just a second here we have two components erosion control and storm water management so erosion control is
always done there's actually an erosion control plan shown in the in in the plan documents the storm water management is what we did not have the reason he didn't include that is each of the four units is on an individual lot and then
there's an outlot typically these are considered these small developments either a a zero lot line single family or commonwall single family so it doesn't matter regardless we'll we'll uh deal with that
i have spoken with with uh MCWD i actually talked to uh my engineer who was out for spring break last week with his kids but um we don't think there should be a problem with with addressing that in some fashion and MCWD doesn't dictate um their word is we're not
prescriptive we don't tell you what to do we work with you to find out what works best for this site so there's a little bit of challenges because we've got so so much building with minimal setbacks don't have so much building but
we have minimal setbacks with a PUD but we do have open areas and there's a lot of things like some overland flows we can do some rain gardens things like that that we're pretty sure we can address that so um I think those would be the three things that you guys
brought up um and then the process was uh partly market conditions seeing where the market was going to go the election some of that kind of stuff and partly just getting this right um we did spend
a lot of time as you might notice on a lot of little details including even on the interiors of these to value engineer them try and keep the cost I don't know if we can say affordable but less and those kinds of things um so yeah I would take any other questions
that you might have but does council have any other questions well I I have a I have a couple of concerns sure maybe you can address you know I'm it's really important to me at least to try and make efforts to preserve you know the
sightelines and open space feel and as it did then and it still does now you know the the project kind of falls under the just because you can doesn't mean you should yep um I guess I realize that these renderings are just that renderings and
and they don't show us the final product result but I I guess I'd like you to share with us how you feel that the mass and scale will fit into the round the you know neighborhood and the surrounding area with the new
development so first thing when you get them in take a look at the blueprints the construction plans that we did for you the line drawings of the elevations those are all correct they're just not in three dimensions um so you can see
what how close it is to these um well I understand i want to get your Yep answer to how you feel that it will fit into the neighborhood at that scale so I said one thing I made one comment on it that it's surrounded on two sides by
commercial so I I don't think that's an excuse to just do it like you say and even on the south elevation the post office parking lot we spent a fair amount of time with even that elevation it's got some box windows some things
like that so we've done the things that you can do the colors those kinds of things work to try and soften it to do what we can um the little gazebo you know some of those kind of things you can see what I
was saying about the trees here too how they kind of soften the front of it but you can also see the box windows that we put in the double gables you can see a little bit of that on the front the original plan had a big gable with a smaller one inside of it and the original architect I'm sure thought that
was adding detail but in reality it was just making more roof mass so we did two smaller ones the the box bays um we have um some cantalievers some of those kinds of things so we've done I think as much
as we can within reason um more than I think a lot of times you might see well you're not really answering my question how it will fit into the neighborhood but you know my concern is as you're I mean these are really tall they're threetory buildings
and as you pull into Mountain go past our Tessa and then the park you're those things are going to be towering over they're going to be the tallest buildings in our sighteline coming into Mount so I guess you know it would be
kind of like I don't know a seven foot man walking into a little People convention and hoping not to be recognized you know it just feels really really gigantic and when I asked you how you feel it will fit into the
neighborhood this will be the tallest building on that edge of town and I just I I I'm concerned that it's too much to fit comfortably into the neighborhood if it were on any other lot I think it would be lovely but it's going to be
that's going to be the first thing you see as you turn going into Mountain so you know obviously I guess it needs to fit into the vision that that with the new developments and everything for Mount
and I don't know um to make to make Mount proud so to speak because that's going to be right in our sight line y um so I understand what you're saying
and it's something that again we work to address we didn't ignore the back of the building because of that exposure i think it'll be softened a little bit by the mass of the post office post office between it and the road but it still is going to be the the post office has
nothing to do with it it's sitting above the hill so it is going to be sitting three stories above the post office and the house next door is a duplex right and it's two stories high i think that I think it's two stories one and a half
i mean I'm just that's my concern i think it's a lot of building on a very small amount of property and and as we were concerned about before I think you were marketing this towards families are you still and that's why we
had you address the green space issue because that wouldn't work for families are you moving now more towards you like young married couples or I think you market to to anyone that's interested but you try and accommodate as many as many opportunities as we did with the
with the landscaping and the lawns and I think that appeals to anybody whether you're an empty neester or a family yeah but it it particularly appealed to I think f provided some appeal to families um again this is very very similar in
design to the villages um the villages are very close to two roadways there um they have very high density um they did some of the same well I should rephrase this we're doing some of the same things they did you don't see it in this but
you do see it in the the elevations the top floor is white it has board and bat and vertical siding the second and first floors have horizontal siding so things like that help soften that height mass the colors help soften
the height mass is it going to be the same color that's the intent that it'll be a dark base if you drive by the villages that's the intent it might not but this is a much different sighteline than the villages this is I'm talking
about the the mass scale of it in that tiny little area especially when you're coming into Mount it's going to be the main introduction into downtown mount when because you can't miss it you're you're looking right that way yeah I would
say so the only thing you're going to see is that rear elevation well you're going to see the side of the building you're going to see that whole side of the building that's that's perpendicular to the post office so you're making this side that you see here facing this way
is what you will see from the road just a single building um unlike wall of building what's that a mass wall of building but again they're not comparable to the building but this is on a hill they're different setups all together we've done
everything that I think we can do with other suggestions um but there's only so much that we can do um to to accommodate that it's a site that had I mean anything we put up there we put a two-story house there it's going to be exactly the same issue a two-story house
would be the same as a three-story not a two-story house with a walk out basement i should correct that is this How tall is this this is about 34 feet from memory max 34.2 something like that yep thank you sure so question
this rendering here there's little patios in the back are those tiny little They're small patios we don't have a lot of space right to work with but that was one of the considerations or concerns with the planning commission they had even smaller patios when we started so
the yeah the fence that's up there is that going to be a fence between the duplex and these or are you putting that in so because there's not one this is the retaining wall that you see here okay so the lower gray is the post office oh that's right we're in the post okay sorry and then there'll be about
that it's 3 to four feet so this drawing has that a little bit taller the upper retaining wall so are you putting fencing in the back which abuts to a residential property behind there so the residential property behind there is lower than this mhm um they already have
a 5ft I think cedar fence um that rendering I kind of left a break in it it's not there but then you can kind of see through it um we might talk with them and see if they like what we're doing here and maybe we maybe the
fence which is older maybe they they say "This this looks good the way it is we'll do some landscaping there." So Okay um but they have a fence um we do have a landscape uh wall there and we've tried to do some
landscaping on the top of it again same thing to soften the buildings um that type of a thing my guess is I don't think we show a fence on the north lot line next to the uh rental um duplex but we could put that in we I mean I think
that's a I think that would be a nice to have based on what's currently occurring in that property you know I don't sure as might feel differently but I don't have a real concern it's they have some toys and some things there and it's very tight to that
property though well it's loaded with toys and I mean they've been enjoying that property for a long time it looks been enjoying your property exactly yep so yeah I think if if a fence is something that's you know that that makes sense and that that you guys would be interested in we can certainly look
in that at that we can also look at some plantings and some of those those kinds of things as well that might try and address that because that's a very narrow strip behind yours and then running into their property line that is they have
uh that's the garage there really isn't any exposure from their property windows things like that um their deck is in fact I don't even remember if there's a deck on the back but the living space would be around a little to the north so
the patio doors with the little concrete pad are actually in the garage they're in the garage we thought that was something that I don't know you know whether they make sense or not but it was just another little touch that we thought might might make some sense um
the man cave kind of idea a little bit um somebody wants the grill they can be in the garage they have access to the back at minimum we would probably put a service door there so we could go either way with those what is the footprint of that patio pardon me what's the dimensions the
patio the little patio on the ground level the gazebo the gazebo not the gazebo the one just the little ones back in the garage they're just enough to step down onto they're probably a 3ft by 6 foot
something like that i suppose we could do a little deck there um well you know there's always a thing about you know functionality of of a balcony y that's not very functional those are at the ground level or
or yeah one one step kind of a thing so it's probably more you might do a patio with just a step so you'd be on the ground would be how I would envision that again they're not designed to be
any big outdoor area it's just to have some small space they wanted to have a grill on the ground floor off the garage instead of on the deck above um that kind of thing we tried to uh increase the deck sizes enough so we
could get a grill on those um couple of chairs some of those kinds of things um you know it's it's a site that doesn't have a ton of space on the on the ground level which is characteristic of pretty much any project like this um so we work
to you can kind of see how we wrap them around the corner you know that kind of thing we indented the doors on those corners just to create another 12 18 inches of space on the deck little things like that so one the two end units have a corner deck and then the
other ones have just a small Yes yeah okay yep i appreciate that you've addressed all of our issues um you know and for me I'm just uncomfortable with
the height of it and with the with the I mean it's it's it's literally going to stand over all of that neighborhood and they're it's going to look like two little buildings on stilts in the neighborhood and and that's my concern
if it were on any other lot I'd say it's beautiful i think anybody who would purchase them would be lucky i think you've done a very nice job i just feel like it's too much on that site even though I know it's all you know by it meets
city code and zoning and everything but it's one of those things where you know maybe one at maybe both of them at two two levels rather than that third level could be less ominous looking but I think this is gonna be really in your
face what's the square footage per unit uh you know I don't have it off the top of my head it's probably I think it was about 2200 square feet this is going to be for sale for sale you know roughly the cost the sale price
low fours would be the target who knows with what's going on right now right but that's the intent i mean we even value engineered them to to try and squeeze out what we could um I just want it to be befitting of the impression we're
trying to move and I honestly think to have people be excited about Yeah coming into downtown mount i I honestly think that this will be a an addition a plus um there's a lot of mature trees in that area so those are going to frame this um to the north and to the rear to the east
um hopefully we'll have some nice landscaping with it that'll help um and again it you're quite a ways from shoreline now when it's that tall you're going to see that's what you're going to see well
but it's we're not 15 ft like the villages might be from the road so we're quite a ways and it's a single building i think that's what it comes down to the other thing is you know consider that this is a a mixeduse downtown zoning um and one of the things a project like
this does is it helps provide a little bit of a buffer to the commercial um that it it provides a softening a transition so those existing residents that are right there have a nicer residential project rather than looking at the back of the shopping center um
you know we could probably do a rendering of the rear that that kind of showed it from that view if that would help at some point but uh yeah I I I think these I've been doing this a long time and we spent a lot of time with
this i was pretty happy with the end result with the parameters that we have to work with on it you did a good job what are you going to do with for snow removal what's that snow um snow can be removed from the site without a problem u the only thing that you would get into is whether you have
to truck it off the site on a large snow event we can certainly do that any other property would do that being that Shrezad also owns the shopping center you know there's no reason that we probably can't figure out a way to temporarily store snow on the shopping
center site which is immediately adjacent it's literally across Fern Lane so just like Sarah said would you have to do a contract then with him well they both he owns both of them at this point he does we would want to with the association have an agreement if that's
what we were going to do yeah yeah yeah probably just be a an easement yep easement or a just a license all right so if we could put that in Yep okay any other questions at
all all right all right we're going to do a public comment sounds good thanks appreciate it thank you all right I'm going to open the public comment section if anybody wants to come up and talk about this and give you three
minutes all right not hearing any so I'm going to close the public comment bring it back to council does council want to chat about what we think well I mean I'm uncomfortable with the scale and mass of it in that area i I I
like what what you've worked with i don't know where you went oh there you are i appreciate what you've done with it i But that doesn't take away the fact that it's just a massive structure on a very small area
okay i agree with what Kathy's saying it is a large mass in a very small space i did drive over there and take a look um at the actual property um I'm assuming it's not financially feasible to boo a duplex there in today's environment
it's a tough one i agree with you that a lot more expensive something or two family or two small family homes anything that's not just it's only three story all right this this is between us
though so let's not talk okay well anyway that's that's all I've got so anyway yeah so that's your comments yeah yep okay good i mean it it fits you know I don't have any objections really i mean it
is it makes it look taller when we're looking at it now because we can't see anything that's around it i'm interested that no one came to speak against it you know like a Yeah neighboring so I mean I have to assume that the neighbors have heard it
seen it and thought about it um and when you put it on the lot I would imagine it blends in a lot better with the trees that are going to be there it's tight but I mean that's kind of what we have left in mound
I think is that the last Sarah property that can be kind of developed in the mixed area down there i think this is the terminus of the Isn't this the last Isn't this what I call the east edge of downtown of the district yes so that's the last tech Well this is the last
vacant yes because if we go back to this map should be a second i promise it's there there it is the mixeduse district includes all the way up to church and all the way up to the street post office this is the last vacant piece but okay
other things could happen maybe i can't make any promises and so everything within the orange area can be 35 ft everything in the whole city can be 35 ft the maximum height in all of our
districts is 35 ft we don't have any districts that are different than that that was one of the changes that were made when we updated the mixed use yeah I remember that yeah I I I now know three years later that 35 feet doesn't really mean 35 feet it can be taller
than 35 feet so I wish I would have understood that two years ago i would have said no 20 feet max well 35 ft is the maximum needed point and that's in our residential districts and all those yep
thank you any other last comments so I you know I think it's a great project i like I like it a lot um I mean for this property you can only do so much remember we have the flats coming in um if you look if you drive by those
those are definitely tall and again it takes you a while to kind of get used to new things right unfortunately or fortunately uh remember our Tesla i mean our Tesla was huge right you every time you drove by you're like "Oh my god that's huge." Now it's kind of like it's just there and it's part of the
background of what we look at now so yes it's big you know I'm looking at Google Maps and I'm trying to figure it out i mean until it's there obviously we won't know and yes you're right it's on a hill you got the post office as you're coming into mount you got the post office kind of in front of it you're going to see it peeking out the top no you're going to
see the entire three stories it's above the It's on a hill above the entire post office so you're going to see all three stories as you drive into Mount yeah and again I mean it I I guess I'm comfortable with
that so so any other last comments on this or are we prepared to vote on it if someone wants to do a motion we got page uh 879 there's three right
thought it was in here 879 or you can just read the thing whoever wants to do it um I can't get that got it no go ahead okay um okay so we have three resolutions correct yep um I would make
a resol motion to approve um a resolution approving the vacation of drainage and utility easements on property proposed to be platted as Fern Lane Town Homes of Mound Planning Case 2303 okay I got a motion can I get a second
second any other discussion all those in favor please say I i those opposed nay nay uh so we got 3 to2 right okay so that
passes um then we got 882 someone wants to make a motion for that yeah I'm just kind of famous for finding the wrong page let's see do you want mine yeah because I'm not finding the
uh order what do you need okay number 25 resolution approving the major subdivision preliminary plat of the Fern Lane Town Homes of Mount Planning case
number 23-03 all right so that's your motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I i those opposed nay nay all right that passed two and then we
got 8.86 all right I found it um I would like to make a motion approving resolution for a conditional use permit for a shoreland plant unit development in the mixeduse downtown district for Fern Lane Town
Homes of Mound planning case 2303 all right got a motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I i those opposed hey nay okay so that passes as well that's
it right all three okay all right thanks guys um number nine we got uh council in introduction re reviewd discussion with Paula Larson owner of 2316 Commerce Boulevard thanks regarding
interest in purchase purchasing outlaw B Mound Harbor the next the next page has the location that's all I was saying i'm not connected anymore all right good evening again um as established by your policy regarding
development application review procedures um you are receiving this evening a council introduction um the intention is to talk about what the project is that the applicant is interested in um in advance of them submitting full applications um I have on the screen uh the location of where
this project is on Commerce Boulevard between Old Shoreline and Auditor's Road um the yellow is the 2316 Commerce Boulevard building the red is Outlot B uh which is owned by the city um and I reference both of those because that is uh two properties that are being
proposed um the applicant uh will actually come and propose or provide the information um staff does not review this because we are at the nature of it's just a proposal there's nothing for us specifically to review we just wanted to open it um as is our customary policy we did notice uh neighbors that are
within 350 ft of the application this evening so they would have a chance to come and listen provide feedback uh to you it's at your pleasure of of those comments um but it is an opportunity for you to provide feedback and direction to that property owner um Ms larson is I
believe here there's so many people there you are behind i couldn't see you uh Sarah said she was here though um she will be able to introduce her project and will do a much better job than I will so I will sit down unless there are any questions about our process or procedures but I think we've done this before so should be fairly
straightforward think we're good thanks appreciate it paula if you want to come up all right can you give us your name and address my name is Paula Larson i live at 5713 Lynwood Boulevard in Mount um
good evening council mayor and city staff i don't How do I turn that light down you think I would know how to do that but here I'll turn is it right here the little slidy thing is on the right slides down on the side of it oh
there turn it i There's like a slot yeah on the side of it it's kind of hard to find i have one of those at home and I hate it perfect okay just to reiterate what every trap was saying outlot B Mount Harbor is the
Lshaped irregular L-shaped lot um that's owned by the city it's been owned by the city 24 years with no revenue coming to the city of Mountain Taxpayers my property that I've owned
for almost 30 years is the one outline outlined in yellow i have a commercial building there i have two great longtime Mount tenants that are there and everybody's happy the uh cosmetic work
that was in the packet uh for my building there at 2316 really doesn't need any permission it's paint new uh replacement of lights and so forth uh but it does uh flow
through to the rest of the property i have three currently three intentions for the use of this property and for all you waiting out there I'm going to be fast for a change first one is along Commerce Boulevard there as you can see
going north and south i really want to put in some serious landscaping uh we do have a some new setback rules here we don't want to I'm not putting a building there yet but along that north south
line there um our plans include uh ornamental crab apple trees if you've ever been by Lafayette Club in the springtime you know what that looks like i would love to run that north and south of that corridor along with more uh perennial and annual gardens fence
detail in there that's for art and I just think mound needs some softness to it the trees that were in that general area probably those hundred-y old trees that I'm going to guess were put in by Dr
mitchell uh they were all removed and now we have no trees i have two trees still on my property here it's time we add back the landscaping make it look pretty for our town there's also a walkway there's also some benches
on the corner and I would be talking to council member Pew about the age sensitive benches there and uh she's the head of that committee there for the state second thing I'd like to do because I've had requests for this on
the north side of my wall there i've had requests to put the mural back in our downtown mount uh for those of you that aren't familiar to what the two murals were we had in our town you can jump into the hallway at our city
hall there's a beautiful watercolor uh framed picture of what that mural looked like that our people here just absolutely loved unfortunately that was removed when Walgreens went in our second mural was
actually across the street from my building um when Tom Flug was over there he's very musically inclined very artistic he had that the piano keys and kind of an abstract form with musical
notes and stuff it was lovely and uh I've had some requests and I believe it's on the internet right now about people requesting that third thing I'd like to do is I'd like to add the property back to our tax roles this has been not
earning the citizens amount the taxpayers amount one dime yet we're paying to keep it up it's time this property was brought back and um I just think the property is would just be lovely and uh I have a lot of detail for
this i've worked hard on it and uh those of you that know me know that I do my homework so there is no voting tonight um my attorney uh we may be jumping the gun a little bit but he has done a final opinion for me and we also have a
preliminary uh purchase agreement ready to go and um I will take any questions if you have any does council have any questions for Larson quick one Paula um cosmetically on your building I meant to
look when I drove by tonight is that roof on it currently the sloped roof that kind of uh I think you're That's not a sloped roof well it looks kind of like a sloped roof on here this is that there no no i think you're Are you looking at the
um what's that called the awning that's coming down i think it just looks from the perspective of the architectural the drawing it is not going up it is flat and then Okay yeah the angle yeah they angle and you could
see the architect Drew going along Commerce Boulevard there we've got some He added some stuff there to the left but there's some setbacks in that area as I recall so I'm excited i'm excited that you're making some cosmetic Oh yeah
enhancements oh yeah but still keeping is that mid-century modern look and I'm going to be keeping the mid-century modern look i've also started the process to declare that building historic and uh it is 65 years old there's some funding there and I've
gotten involved with that group there so um I'm looking forward to this uh this building was originally built by our local dentist Dr hal Borg and this was his until uh it was purchased by my husband and myself it's going to be
lovely it'll be just lovely well I think the landscaping obviously Yeah you know you have 100% expertise here it looks really really pretty thank you especially with added benches um you know I like obviously I like that
it's going to appeal to the walkability of everybody downtown it's going to really um fall right in line with the beautiful landscaping that our Tessa does yeah i'm you know it's going to follow through with that and and with our new park over at Lost Lake Common
it'll just be a nice center of our town and it's located halfway between our Dakota Trail and our uh Andrew Sisters Trail we've got a very successful ice cream shop there that that place is hopping in the evening in the summertime if you've never been there you'll have
to go and this would also I would like to take on the responsibility of this spot but for those that are having ice cream and so forth or meeting with their friends walking to town this would be a great spot i also plan on some sidewalk
on Commerce Boulevard there would be some down lighting there so in the evening it would be safe for everybody it would add some really lovely ambiance down to that corner oh great the whole area would be would pick it up yeah and
and to bring the trees back it would be lovely any other questions council have any other questions um you had said that you had like three ideas my my Yeah I basically had three ideas bring back the
landscaping put the ornamental crab apple trees in there the walkway the benches make it a walkable space for us halfway between the trails number two was the mural and you can go to the city offices and see the previous mural that
was up in town and uh number three this has been off the tax rolls for almost 25 years city hasn't gotten penny one from this building being scraped and um I think it's time we move forward and uh
beautify the space make it lovely and council member Consell do you remember that mural it was on the side of the sport shop you know and it looks like somebody locally might have painted it and you you could see the owners of True Value and um uh Jubilee and some it was
it it had a homey look to it local very local there's lots more there's a lot of detail at a conversation tonight with a person not directly but indirectly that is really exciting and uh I just think
this is just absolutely going to be lovely in this area yes it would be beautiful anything else go ahead well Paulie you know you hit many of my favorite things art i'm old i can't hear but you know you know my love for public art and massive walking
spaces but I guess I do have to ask you why would you select this lot versus the property the the lot on the other side of your building and um if you're going to make this into a green space how is that going to
generate taxes for us because if we're going to have an owner other than the city amount I'm going to be the owner it will be fixed up the taxes will be assessed on there that they aren't now as far as the other side goes I will tell you Sherry
um I had a couple of conversations with the previous city manager Eric and he was trying to talk me into buying that area over there now we've had a lot of construction going on with the building of that building behind mine and um I
did mention that when I was up here before in January about my plans to uh move forward with that mr eric gave me lots of ideas as to what I should do with that property and if I
can get through this first hoop that is definitely on my plans to take that too and turn that and uh make that lovely too put that back on a tax roll so we can preserve the parking in our downtown mound that was half of it was removed by
a building project so I'd like to put the parking back and have control of it for our businesses so we don't lose any more businesses any other questions so more of a comment I guess um I mean
so you own obviously the building the blue outline yes the city provides parking parcel A for your building right so you're kind of landlocked right i mean you're I'm not landlocked or whatever the term i'm
not landlocked and there's a little hiccup with that parking there and you you weren't here when the little hiccup came but uh So your building is the property you have a little bit of grass on the east side yes you have parking on the back side but Yes the parcel A the front parking lot Yes is city provided
the city owns that whole so I'm gonna say the city owns it but there's a parking issue with me there i mean there's Oh yeah guaranteed parking for me because of something that went wrong that I've they know about it
okay so yeah the parking as long Yeah yeah and that's the other thing and what Eric Herstein was telling me at the time we talked about it he was talking about curbing that all in so there'd only be one way in one way out this is what Eric
was we were talking about before he's not here anymore and right now I would love to see that because right now this is a raceway and we have the ice cream shop up there with people and he really doesn't have any space except in the
road and the cars come whipping around on the south side of my building they go on is that Marion Lane north and South and they run across at high speed right by the people at the ice cream shop and they jump over and bounce over and they go over to the bank so it is dangerous
and I would like to fix that myself well with the city and I I I'm not going to go out there parking lot's in pretty tough condition the parking lot is in tough condition um city manager and I have already had a conversation about that
um yes we've had a conversation about who's responsible for that yes so back when we had at least one of one
other proposal which year four on parcel B with a combination of the of the building that used to be there the old dentist office um that that would actually develop that
property right um part of why and I remember talking about this we were looking at where right where the bee was we're he was going to put a a sign right there and that was about it and then we were going to do some landscaping and and that's about it and I don't know if
you were for that or not i can't remember but I remember the council was that us we offered it to him for a dollar and he never I was not I was not in favor of the Yeah he of the a whole another thing yeah he he had an
issue with ADA requirements in the back and so the council at that point as I recall um they decided that they would give what I remember is that they would give offer him an easement for like a dollar so he could get to the back that's what
I recall but apparently that was I I'll state because I was the one who made that recommendation i was not in favor of selling off um a part of the property for him to get the easement so we made
the suggestion that he could have 15 ft what he needed um to create the ADA access issue and that he could come back with a price for that 15 ft now while I
love open space I'm also thinking this is downtown mound we only have 2% of our tax base from commercial retail this is a prime piece of real estate property and as much as I like parks and gardens we have a huge park that we're
developing just um east of this site and is this the best and highest use of a downtown site also if we were to sell this to you are you willing to have
something in perpetuity forever that it remains a park are we selling you you know you a park and then after a while your family decides you know 20 30 years from now that they don't want to maintain the park that they can sell the
property so you know I think it's guaranteeing um long-term um life of the property funny you bring that up Sherry i just spent two hours with my estate planning attorney and those very things came up how long can family members
continue and so needless to say I'm going to be ruling from the grave with that but as my attorney says those things that we would discuss and get down those would all be presented in the purchase agreement anything that would come up we don't want this we don't want
that if Paula sells the property it could go to somebody else paulie could donate it back the city could also do all this pretty stuff too but um I um I'm very comfortable with this
idea and being a longtime Mound member here and uh you know how I feel about this town i know how you feel about the town i you know how I feel about the town and I want to make it for all of us and make it pretty and uh and I you know it's
just one of those things so back to my comment when you came out last time and you said hey are we open to development absolutely are we open to what development yeah and I said oh yeah absolutely i didn't expect to have a park bench and some trees okay i'll just
be honest okay um I think if that was our only option and that was what we were going to settle with I think it'd be fine and it that corner would look a little bit better but and I know there's might be people here that want to talk about that i've had some phone calls and Okay
people reach out i have to so um when you're done here I'll let whoever wants to come up and talk but um and I know your neighbor has a a response in in our packet um I know he's looking at doing a deal with
that as well so I mean we got to look as a council what's the best use for that area and absolutely whether it's your deal or his or we hold out for some other thing down the road i don't know yeah but the city owns that property so I think we got to make the the best decision so absolutely that's what I'm
here for just to present that i still have my building i still have my property and I'm not going anywhere yeah good so um so the build my building will but you have the prettiness attached to it and maybe I'll put the landscaping in the back so am I getting a no a yes
should I file an application or do you think I'll be wasting my money personally I I don't I wouldn't do it i mean really no if you again when when you came last time I was thinking more beautify your current building maybe add
on to the top or which I can do maybe you Yeah and that is in the future that is in the future i can put a second story on that building uh my architect has drawn and they weren't in here because I didn't want to overwhelm the process here but I actually have we have
plans to extend my building to the north and we have plans to actually add another whole size of my building onto that building so that's what I'm more interested in and I have plans for that yeah you if you don't want to do a park and a bench and some
trees I want to see that i'm not personally I'm one out of five but I'm not interested in just a park bench and creating another 34 parks that we do have and some people like that brick and the mortars the stiffness the hardness
and and um you know I have a different take on it but hey that's why I'm here i need to know before I spend $300,000 to to prepare something that gets turned down because ultimately it's not the planning commission it's not the staff
as we all know it's the five of you that would make that decision so if you're suggesting Mr mayor that I kind of tank my plans if that's what you're suggesting because we're not taking a vote tonight all right um I again I'm
one on five so you guys can talk too but well you're not supposed to vote tonight I guess no opinion you know you probably want to get a good consensus before you start give some feedback too i mean if you're asking for feedback like yes or no i mean I would just say
that I wouldn't it needs to be like more conclusive than than this i feel like I'm not really sure oh I know that and I'll say we but I'm not speaking for anybody this is just at our previous workshop like one of our priorities was economic development and like one of
these lots in particular and residents want business a restaurant retail they want stuff there because we do have big park right there so I mean I wouldn't say scrap it but like maybe not this
something like more concrete i don't know pardon the pun who we just had the the rain barrel people here talking about all this stuff not literal concrete yeah well that's what it is but you know it was one of our priorities to have more developed unless our minds
have changed is there a 10 foot set back still Sarah at that on Commerce Boulevard did we talk about that is is there a 10ft set back and it's supposed to be plants and landscaping and all that we'll pull it up in the downtown okay because it's because it's
going to be difficult you know in that little strip of land there well we had a deal that was ready to go and it just fell through at the end i guess it was I don't know if it was a money thing or what what was that the three and four town homes plus the
commercial oh yeah two of those two of those i'll give you a little heads up here since I've owned this property since July of 1996 I have talked to 29 people who say they're developers they want the
property it has gone nowhere because So do you ever think of like joining up with someone else no i'm a business person i don't join I don't go with anybody i call my own shots okay well what if you did something your your project and looked at those other
properties would you so you're not so old so what so you got that property if if let's just say you you took over parcel A say we sold that to you yep and then you did some kind of bigger development on that whole corner
i mean I think I'd be more open to that so that's a possibility again a a park bench and some trees and a fence i mean again it definitely looks better than the grass that's there but for sure I don't I think we the city
should hold out for a better kind of a real development project for that so what I would say too is you know that this is one thing that has really bothered me ever since I moved here is these lots that we have are all chopped up and weird and like this one i mean it's it's very difficult to use do you
think you would have interest in parcel A as well originally long term originally that's what I talked to Eric Coverstein about i had both of them on both sides yeah we we would somehow split that so you would get a portion of
that but again you know that one's probably less valuable which one parcel A to us to hold on to per se okay um just looking to the north and again I know because I've talked to other people that want to
develop that again you were part of that original plan or at least you like the original plan correct um and I and it's hard to get that out of my head and go "Okay we're just going to put that didn't go anywhere Jason and you know maybe you know he just did a
deal tonight." Like I said that was the other project that was project number two and that fell through too they didn't have the money i I mean it is what it is but anyway I'm trying to beautify downtown Mound and make it walkable pedestrian friendly and so
forth like that um if my neighbor if he wants to develop his property along with anything back there in the back he should go for it i'm not responsible for his development i he did call me and he saw your video uh when you came out last
time and he said he wanted to be here tonight and he couldn't because he's out of town so he did submit a letter anybody wants to see it it's in the packet um and I think he does want to come out and and talk to us about that too so obviously we'd want to hear that as well and see
what he's looking at so okay i'm open to that if there's another idea um we have to do what's best for Mount and you five are responsible for that absolutely good or bad but anyway thank you very much i think you'd still be really happy with
this i really do and I think the people in mount would be happy okay but the three parts of it but thank you yes can I ask a question so you're suggesting I don't even file an application you think it'd be a waste of my money i would not with that current proposal no I will
vote no but again I'm one out of five so Okay anybody else wants to say something well I guess that was kind of like the same thing I was saying is like make it more conclusive you know before filing an application so there's more for us to review and what I would do I have plenty of architectural plans when I file the
application those documents would be included in it i mean this was kind of information only this wasn't a uh formal presentation but I know I have to do that so anyway thank you for your time
and I'm going to move forward oh what um your question Miss Larson minimum setback of 10 max of 20 from commerce so on commerce right there so you're going to have to go way move that building way back which would allow for landscaping anyway so I think I'm right in the right
there so it's 10 max 20 did you say uh minimum 10 max of 20 okay thank you minimum second story is an additional 8 ft back and then there's we have staggering requirements correct so like the bank is what 20 ft go above second
story though you can have two stories you Yes I can have two stories but if you go above then it's another 18 okay so two stories set back 10 feet correct that's the minimum minimum minimum of 10 feet back because we're trying to encourage the landscaping and stuff okay
so thank you i I know I I got some people that have called me and said that they want to talk i don't know if they're here tonight but um do you want to hear some feedback on your project i don't know if it's good or bad why would I I you know Jason here's the deal like I said 29 people I've talked to
okay in the past 30 years okay 29 i I'm not impressed by anybody else talking i know that doesn't sound nice but I'm going to keep my property i'm not participating in any somebody else wants they're responsible for their property
i'm responsible for mine okay so so in the in the end of the day again I would say I would come back with something different whether that's more Can I do that on the application can I do it on the application i mean you can do whatever you want but I would I would
probably bring it back to us first you're saying come back with more before another before an application i mean really right now it looks like you're you're just kind of fixing the shell right you're making the shell look nicer and then you're putting in some landscaping and we're going to send sell
sell you the property for that if it's more of a development idea beyond just a landscaping thing I I would come back to us first personally okay i will think about that and I appreciate your time talking to me about this and I'll move
forward all right so thank you thanks so Jason just out of curious I have more comment and question but this road it's not designated here so I don't know what it's called did we redo that road marian so it has been refurbished or whatever because it was really bad it goes goes
right into the old auditor's road yeah new pavement right i'm just concerned about our ice cream parlor being landlocked and is this road really serving a purpose marian marian's got to stay is stay in there and we have new water manes
through there marian stay there's this not moving i think that one of our challenges with this whole site is that there are they're irregular shaped properties
and none of them work alone right correct and so you know it's trying to figure out how to get the combination with different owners who have their own needs for their own type of development but to get the maximum development and
and and of community appeal for our town and that's that's the hard thing with this whole block actually i agree Sherry this is a mess i mean it's chopped up it's hard to use it's not feasible for anything at the way it stands today no
all right again I want to be respectful of people that came out if anybody did come out I don't know but if you want to come up just real quick just give us your opinion if not we'll move on to the next subject okay but please just keep it real quick
absolutely mayor city council thank you for allowing uh for providing the offer of invitation to offer comments oh sorry give me your name and address tim Floin 2350 Harbor Place okay thanks
um as some of you have already said this parcel has great potential it needs a development plan that adds e economic as well as long-term physical improvements to the community um the
proposal I don't think adds significant economic benefit and it also has a strong risk of deteriorating the physical appearance of downtown over time if not
properly groomed and maintained um I don't think that adding landscape perennial gardens a fence and the like seems like a commitment to the future to
as this council person McKenna said to make downtown proud i think there's a potential risk of it being looking not that great over time yeah um the the last thing that I want to say
keep my comments brief the area of this property has recently benefited from a new more modern look which is Artessa Mount Harbor as well as the revitalization of the adjacent city park
the Lost Lake Commons Park which includes elements of all the improvements that were detailed in her proposal um I encourage the council to continue
the momentum of downtown revitalization of those two recent activities in the center of town and encourage and seek an investment that goes
beyond installing landscaping perennial gardens and a decorative fence alongside a building That definitely needs a refresh thank you all right thanks appreciate it thank you
please give us your name and address timothy Nichols 3752 Woodland Cove Parkway in Minatrista uh mayor council members and staff thank you um the civic-mindedness uh density within mound of the Artessa
Mound Harbor development is well represented and they'll speak for themselves and uh I think Tim did a nice job with the the key points that he brought up i would just be here to articulate we started a great redevelopment of downtown with with many
of your help we we pulled something off that was phenomenal that was over eight or 10 tries I know previous to us and it happened and thank you and these people thank you the addition of the neighborhood into Mounttown mound is is
tremendous i say step up don't step down uh but more specifically and I I I value Mrs larson and her property rights but I also will tell you that there's things that you as a council and you as a city
have to live up to relative to the the um additional development of the property adjacent to us the uh we didn't hook up overhead power lines into Mount Harbor our Tessa Mount Harbor we buried those at a tremendous cost we're
expecting as that site gets redeveloped the city will be in tune to the putting placing the above ground utilities underground we too will talk about the Maran Drive Marian Road whatever it's called and yes we were responsible for
half of that road with new carbon gutter the other half is yet to be installed at again a cost to the property owners whether it's a city or whether it's the private property owner that'll be shared and should be shared reasonably we have
had discussion I have had discussion with Colin uh Charleston and Colin has a nice plan the question uh I I've been approached by many people as well and the question to me has been well we can do this big thing and and I say well
probably not you know I think Mound needs a little bit of less than more and do it right and you you have the ability as a city owning that property to inspire the right thing to happen and I would just lean into the good faith and
good work that so many of you have put into this city and to the work that you're doing to better the city to really focus on that goal you got one chance to do it right uh I don't think
you have to rush but I think we need some clarity that yes the utilities are going to be dealt with the site is going to be cleaned up and the right product for that site will be the next step and and no offense to
the previous applicant but that's not the right product and that's not being proposed here the the the town homes that were approved tonight it's a good addition to the city but not an addition for this site should we have a four-story building absolutely not we're
approved for two let's go with two let's go with some housing let's go with some mixed use let's think about landscaping let's let's look at this so it's a seamless development not a herkyjerky one respectfully thanks for your time
thank you thank you hey if you want to give us your name and address yes uh Kelly Glissby Cohen 4400 Tuxedo Boulevard um I have a quick narrative i'm going to try to make it quick also I a little bit of history i don't think some of the members of the council know
in regards to why I do not um support the previous applicant uh I feel that it's a critical crossroads here for especially this site um and it's an opportunity that's been decades in the making the vision um to thoughtfully redevelop our downtown has been long at
the forefront of the community planning it's been a vision grounded in progress where both new and established businesses can grow flourish and invest in the future of the city over the years Mount has invested significant energy taxpayer dollars into laying the
groundwork for this transformation and that includes the environmental cleanup and revitalization which now is kind of part of the Mount Harbor district for um and it was intentional strategic and strategic and communitydriven so to see
these efforts jeopardized by a park bench and some landscaping I think would only be shortsighted and would not it would do a disservice to the community and to aversal of the progress that has been fought so hard to achieve and I can speak for some of it from experience because I was part of a development
group that acquired the former lower property initially um we presented a mixeduse proposal that included four sale homes and a commercial corner anchor um building that would have been owned by a very respected local business owner the project concept was praised by city
staff unanimously um and city council at the time including the the applicant um so with the encouraged support we invested tens of thousands of dollars into the to move the project forward shortly after we were approached saying "Hey the advocate would have been
interested in selling." We said "Okay we'll have the conversation." Um however those negotiations quickly unraveled when the seller insisted on an exorbitant price zero contingencies including critical cit approvals and an
expedited closing why so then they could recuse themselves from future votes and maintain the freedom to oppose the very project they initially supported without a conflict of interest we walked away we said we're
not going to deal with unethical behavior and that's so we walked and I think as a result of her single-handedly losing that rear development opportunity we would have brought three things the city was looking for diversified housing stock new class A commercial space and a
stronger tax base um I just think the request only squanders the city's strategic value and its disregard decades of planning and community investment and if they really cared about returning the property to the tax role that's been lost for 20 years as stated information they
wouldn't have disengaged so quickly the previous redevelopment or dismissed the interest from countless other developers um and according to the city's 2040 comprehensive plan I would just like to make these two quotes investment and
redevelopment in downtown as well as along commerce and shoreline should be a key focus of discussion in the comprehensive plan and the redevelopment of downtown mound should assist with the development of additional employment opportunities so I just would hope that that's also a focus during these
discussions going forward um and that's all I have unless there's questions no thanks appreciate it thanks anybody else okay come on up just give us your name and address derek Passi 2350 Harbor
Place uh I live on that speedway and Marian Road is right outside me frankly once people stop going straight through realize auditors road that didn't go through i saw Sam backing up
there ice houses you bet uh but the traffic on Marian Lane is really minor um I really support the businesses in that area well except the barber i haven't been there he does a really good
job he is a good guy all three of my boys u but I had copies made today i've had keys made there u the hardware store that was really busy when we're moving in and Yeah we're probably going to lose a few
residents at going across to the ice cream store um I support one I support having serious landscaping along Commerce Boulevard uh that makes sense there's no direct
access maximum 20 ft you can get a lot of trees in 20 ft shrubs uh we saw it on the town home proposal earlier uh murals on the building well let's get the building restored first make the building historic building it's
encouraging that she's looking to get a historic designation of the building uh get rid of the grass grass growth out of the roof and it is does have a slope roof but it's sloping down
so um and as far as adding to the tax rules add the parking for that building to the tax rules because it's on they're using it uh for the building i'm not
sure what the historic ramifications are there but I look at it and I go "Wow they're parking and they don't have to pay a scent of taxes on it." Um but it also means now I know who I go to for the erosion that came off that parking
lot into our pond so thank you uh and I appreciate your comments Mr mayor and I appreciate the direction seems to that you took okay appreciate it thank you thanks thank you
anybody else last shot all right we're going to go to the next one so number 10 we got council introduction uh review and discuss with Jim Ko of Angel M Consulting Group regarding the
concept plan we got Rita coming up hey good evening again uh again this is a council introduction so we are following the same procedure where we are trying to give an opportunity for a developer who is an interest in a particular project uh to have an opportunity to
speak with you and any members of the public um these properties are at 66396627 and 6625 Bartlett Boulevard um some of you have been on council for a while and know that we've seen a variety of concepts over the years for this site um one thing that I do want to point out
that this one is different um is because this one did actually involve some additional property than we have seen in the past so I did want to flag that because in the past we've only seen the narrow property on the uh westernmost side of the city boundary and now they have actually entered into agreement um
with two more properties to the east uh so the project is a little bit bigger on the mound side than we've seen in the past um and so they can uh present the property uh proposal I mean to you this evening all right we got Jim
thank you if you give us your name and address please dean Devolus DJR Architecture 333 North Minneapolis Minnesota all right and thank you for pulling up i'm going to bring the legs since most of the crowd
is a little bit you're going to slide it yeah just push it down you turn them off the white one just turn them off just push oh there you go evening effect here then this has a spotlight oh it's a yellow one sorry
i'll give you give you time to practice you might have to talk they they have the concept in there all right i just blew that so my apologies thank you i shouldn't have touched that anyway sorry about that so this is a
project that actually incorporates both Minatrista and Mount so it's two adjoining properties and you have the uh uh show that's there and we've started the process in minister we're going before the planning commission for
preliminary plant on April 28th so I just want to make uh council and the audience aware that obviously you're all welcome to attend and so we're here under what you call an introduction but I've pulled in pieces of our plary plat
presentation so the city council and members get a picture of the whole uh project and so forth of the elements of it so that's going to be sort of the key part of it what we're hoping is that hopefully the two approval projects align if we find the project which one
do I touch with the yellow yellow don't touch anything and do can this advance or not no I'll let you do it okay and we would go this aren't I yeah let me get that all right perfect so so here is the
whole parcel this piece right here right through here is mound mhm and then the remainder here is binatrista and the combination of a high level here this is a three-story 24 unit
condominium building here threetory 12 unit condominium building three-story 9-unit condominium building these are twostory town houses as you see here eight units of ministr and then
one two single family lots and a community center boat house that's going to be enjoyed by the whole development there is single family houses here 12 right here and then three other single family houses in this area
so that consists of the whole development the idea of the ponding you can sort of see the ponding work through here so we're trying to do it in tears intercept water here and then obviously through these residential lots we are not building and I'll show you this um
we're not going to build in any of the slopes at all that's we're going to emphasize other trees to try to capture the water and each tray so to speak so really minimize water that runs towards the lake so basically think of these platforms as each capturing water so
we're leaving the existing grade site intact and we're going to preserve the hill that sits here on the ministr side i also relieve the hills in here intact eliminate the driveways that come off of 110 so that helps eliminate and sort of
slows the erosion because these driveways that ran down are sort of working like gutters that are bringing lakes the idea is that we cut that off and ready to clean up we're offering a variety of housing types from town houses that kind of mean living to single family homes to serve the nature of the development next slide please so
I'm just showing you this as a civil plan again just to show you the idea of what's within mound and again what's in miniatura next slide and this shows that we're really working on minimizing imperous service so you could
see that we really in all these areas means these are pvious pavers with the idea of really keeping hardcape at a minimum with the development and we're going to emphasize natural ground cover as opposed to manicure lands because that has a higher permeability so that's
good because the site is pretty much intact in terms of trees and ground cover so we're going to emphasize try to keep that intact as much as possible so again you can see the portion which is eight town houses here the two single families and the boat house that's within the mound area next
slide and again I just showing the grading because they sort of emphasize that this is what we're going to stay out of to and obviously keep this hill intact and place and that's why the buildings you see located here and why the townhouse is built on top of the
bluff so that these grades in this area in here are preserved intact then that becomes a primary and that the flat areas you see the various retentions being worked in become the area to receive the storm water area to put the major buildings on single family houses
have a little more flexibility but larger buildings of want to really keep and serve the areas that are less forested and flat within the site next slide and again this is our tree replacement and some of this is old so these some of the we've lost some of the
trees in our system but the idea is that and the same will occur in mound we want to emphasize all the trees on the hillside so we start creating outdoor living rooms within these areas and start creating zones within the property for screening scale and elements like
that next slide and again this is just sort of architectural ideas of what we're trying to achieve with the buildings this is example at the condominiums and you'll see more detailed drawings of the level and type of design we're emphasizing that next slide this is the town houses and this
is sort of what we're working with in terms of architectural style and then you can see the information scale of them on the sheets next slide and again single family the architecture we're trying to achieve within that package next slide and again the doc house
gazebo which is a community building that'll be down by the lake so everyone has a piece of lake but through this uh one building here next slide and again this is starts describes the plans of the town houses and the idea how they work next
slide and this is the architecturalation of decks they're two-story elements garage so the idea is that there's a series of open area decks that face the lake garages and then in and out patterned so they have a nice scale and rhythm to them next slide and the boat
house this is the element again this is in mount would be down by the lake which would be a common community building you see right here uh that the residents could have joined so the idea is that everyone has a chance to go by the lake and join it so we left that part
basically open to the public of the community and so everyone has a private lot but they have this common area and the beach right here that they could enjoy next slide and again these are showing some of the single family house starting to develop first house next
slide and this starting to get an idea of sort of the architecture nature of the house and sort of the scaling that I sort of showed before uh a lot of gables elements in and out so they scale nicely next slide and again this is quickly just development of the economy and this
is a 24 unit building next slide uh we have a two per space indoor parking next slide and again the various unit layouts every unit having lake views next slide and again the 12unit building you see right here and again variety of
materials of stone uh wood and uh dark metal siding sort of to give it a scale and element but using again natural materials within the building next slide and again parking next slide and the basic plan again all
lake views and again the idea all the density is put at the top of the hill so that the lake area it scales from a g 110 threetory then it's two story and one story single family housing so the density is against high travel road and it tapers from there next
slide and again view of the building the architecture of it nine-unit building so again we broke it into three packages next please and again parking that's below so the majority of our parking is below grade out of sight out of mind within which is the only parking that's visible within developments the guest
parking next slide and again the unit layouts on that next or is that the end uh that's it that's it so I kept it brief and sweet on the process on it and why don't you go back to site plan because that's probably what's going to
be referenced so the ideas that we're really trying to strive for is create a development that's integral provides a variety of housing protects the lake shore uh preserves the trees as much as possible intercepts the
um water storm water and so forth and really creates a a host of housing variety and then again like you say the far right side is what's within the mound jurisdiction so really what we're looking at officially is uh eight town homes two single family houses and then
the one community building so I'll stop there thank you does council have any questions well I 100% appreciate that you listened to us last time because we didn't want to be the Minatrista stepchild okay and you know you really amped up the mound side and it looks
just beautiful oh thank you the whole the whole thing looks just great and I love the addition of the dock house so will people be able to keep you know like uh anything there or is it more of just a gathering place it's a gathering place so we may underneath it they if
they want to keep their toys so if I set it up so that below it I don't know if you guys been to Naples Florida areas in Florida where they store underneath the various uh dockouses same concept here is the idea is that they can store beneath this so if they have toys and
boogie board stuff like that this provides that opportunity and it'll be screened so you won't see all the stuff laying around but it'll be under here so the answer is yes will residents um have to pay a little fee to like reserve a little space down there to Well it'll be
an association you know each of these you look at association they'll sweep part of it so it'll depending how they want to parcel out and work through that we did a beautiful job thank you thank you thank you for amping up Mount it is beautiful i really like the plan um I'm
just curious on the dock house though is that the association for the town homes or the condominiums and the town homes or all of the This whole area has this access i'm just thinking about long-term maintenance and but it's within the association so we'll have that so it's
part of Okay great exactly should be just for the people even better yeah just for mount yeah thanks sorry I went over here out of luck awesome how much were the Uh I know the single
family homes were one and 1.2 million I think what were the town homes again town houses will be in the similar uh price bracket and again it varies because they I have sort of two styles um one's a twotory and the other's a
version of a deck so there's variety in that yeah so there'll be differences what people choose and work with looks awesome sorry that was a Yeah sorry um uh could you just talk a little bit about the timing and the staging uh how the development's going to work
and also about the utilities for each of the cities yes so this is sort of important this is as hoped could be worked out we have submitted formally for um preliminary platin we had a community meeting at the gypsy center uh
50 people attended was generally well re it was well received as I say normally these these committee meetings get chewed up on this is not the case uh they're very happy with sort of the results in the nature of this coming so we've submitted and we're on the uh 28th
uh before the planning commission of April in Minatrista what I was hoping uh assuming that council likes the direction seeing is there's a possibility get these schedules aligned because part of the issue is that we're
taking away you know the driveways through here which was for Palm Bank's erosion using H Hallstead to service these houses area and I see utility line you know sort of comes right bas I think across here so we'd like to get the city
schedules combined so that construction utility work can all happen simultaneously as uh peacemeal on this project So that'd be good because we'd like to treat this as a whole uh project and obviously combine and coordinate you
know storm water utilities and all those as opposed to try to do a little piece here and a little piece there so getting coordination of schedule would actually quite helpful on getting this tied together as one unified development even though it you know overlays into two municipalities
does that help answer your question utilities who's Yeah utilities where are the utilities coming from for the Tristic side and for the right now there's a main line that comes right through here and we have to work with both cities to coordinate the utility
systems of where they're coming from and the support but one thing comment in the community meeting was like you know said "Well our water's awful." I said "What about Mond water?" "Well that's awful too." Some great so we're going to have to work with city
staff and engineering to really help coordinate and start pulling those pieces together uh on it as we work through it um for the for the dock house i see the little one little line there of a dock
per se but then I see some other stuff there around it is there actual docks or is that just No there'll be there'll be a couple uh docks i mean how many are we allowed basically it's a 100 foot dock for four slips four slips dock okay so
there's a boat club that we're working with where residents can order a pontoon okay it's part of the regular boat club okay so four docks four docks and that's what's approved for that size of lot
because that's I mean if you don't have that you don't have I mean that's the mountain side that's a big deal for your development exactly yeah um but no one can park overnight so no technically no one's going to own a boat in this way technically guest lot but that not
overnight parking correct as as uh Jim mentioned day docks be the key word for this yeah and you said the town homes you're looking around a million a piece okay so there they all have lake views um a
nice set of the decks you know being on top of the bluff there it's actually a nice setting and then like you say we left all this open where the steep slope is and then we didn't do anymore till we got to the base of the hill so we try to stay on top in the flat areas and
leaving the hillsides uh intact even though these were not original you know this was carved out when this was a trailer park we're leaving that the other thing we're doing is try to limit this to two curb cuts off 110 say Hallstead here and one here because historically there was four or
five in here to try to ease the traffic issues that there's only two points which will make it a little bit safer on the county road as part of the development so the two single homes will access that road and then down yeah so
townhouse is here and then the remainder of the development here which is already the existing Hallstead Avenue so is that a private road or a city road this is a city road that is but over here this is a private road that'll be private okay do you have um lots of ample parking on
the miniatures side for the town houses yes i I don't see any Oh there's you know guest parking for the for the mound side but is that road going to be wide enough for you know they once I get into detail I'll make sure there's you know
two spaces per unit plus additional guest parking is part of it yeah so absolutely because we want to make sure cars stay within their realms here and here so that it all essentially self-contained thank you is there going to be a way to get from like the town
homes on the top down to the dock to walk it's not shown here on here there's going to be a set of stairs that connect down to here okay and what I call pvious trails that tie across this yeah so pedestrian wise people can walk down
Yeah from here obviously the car they got to cook around like this but wise it will be connected for a golf cart I was going to say golf cart maybe the golf cart here will be a little tricky steep isn't it i think a little too steep i'd have I'd have a zigzag ramp going back and forth if I try to make that work
unfortunately and then I did see that you guys are already like clearing out the woods over there they were actually clearing just there was some work on the dead trees but no nothing's being taken out there was some diseased trees that was taken down as far that's great i drove by the
other day i was like "Wow." Yeah so try to because we need to do a tree survey tree comp we want to actually count living trees living ones yeah cool um Sarah uh just a couple things uh as as we talked about in our memo we have
not done land use analysis of this because that comes afterwards but um for those that may have been around a couple years ago the serenity project um we had several levels of approvals including we did a resoning i think we did a
amendment um and that that project at that time had 10 units um in one building on the mound side y um it's important that everybody understand that in addition to the to the subdivision we'll have to determine if in fact the comp plan is
adequate or if in fact we may need to amend it because we have added the 6625 and the 6627 into this parcel and and that was not part of any land use approval last time uh this property is zoned R3 I think
and and zoned R3 in medium density um residential and it had 10 it had 10 units within one box at the time and we have 10 eight and two eight town houses two single family but and but the the properties have gotten
bigger correct just I mean those are things that we have to kind of work through um you know obviously we want to facilitate a schedule as well but we have we'll have to figure out what we anticipate we need you know was it a resoning is it an amendment to the comp plan is it a flat we know it's also a
shoreline PV y and we are you know with this we've achieved a 25% uh pvious cover so we're working within the shoreline so that on on the mound side on both sides correct so Sarah if I'm hearing you right you're saying we
need a four fifth vote you I think the biggest part that we wanted was the timing aspect of if a comp plan amendment is needed it will take more time than a traditional approval but if we redo our comp plan we
got to have four fifths vote right four fifths is if you I think it's if you change Well I don't know i didn't think you did for our comp because this isn't going to fit our comp plan then what this is over our crown plan we don't know yet because when we
did this project in 16 it was only the 6639 parcel it was not involving the the adjacent neighbor parcel no yes so so the good news is because we've added it's actually well less dense so hopefully we have a
minimum density you have to meet so the question is with the same number of units and a bigger parcel size you've just dropped oh that do we fall below your comp plan requirements one is medium and one is low the other ones are
probably in low density residential and the other medium and now we've so we've kind of made it a a thing that we will need to address they could always pack in more units just with looking because we have not spent any time yeah but that's important because if we do have to change it we do more it's another
cycle well that but then plus a lot of us got to agree right i think a complaint amendment is a majority vote i think so too by the way super majority when we updated ours we didn't the supermajority is a resing if you do a reszoning to a resource
that's a four like there are some things that are four fifths but I don't believe that so this this you don't think this part will be a four fifths but it would be a it would be a planning commission public hearing and it's going to have some sort of distribution for agencies it might be an administrative it might be a 60-day all of which we would need
to wrap into the timing th those are things that we need that get figured out with the applications i think because it's on the border of Minotaura it's unlikely to be something that you can just do in house without a lot of distribution to other communities because there is rules that say if you're so far away from another
community so the only reason we brought it up is there are things that will need to be investigated it hasn't been done yet because we're not that at that part of the process but we want people to be aware that that may be something that we'll have to deal with if that is the
case and we try to run those as as much as we can concurrently thank you um but some like for example in the event that we need to amend the comp plan the that has to be a conditional approval until that gets approved by the council before
the our council could do a final decision and I think that's probably similar to what we did during the serenity process in 16 it's just it it's a little bit bigger now so there's other technical things that just have to be figured out no I appreciate it thank you because we're ready to get to work with
you guys and start sorting this through so thank you assuming the council's happy with what they're seeing here's the quickest research I've ever done in my life um and we and so don't take it to the bank but I'm looking at the League of Minnesota City's material on
comprehensive plan and it's citing Minnesota statutes 462.355 and it says unless otherwise provided in the city charter which we don't have the city council may by resolution and by twothirds vote of all its members adopt and amend the comp plan or a portion of the plan that means that on a five
member council the comprehensive plan must receive at least four affirmative votes mhm remember we just did this last year very good know something they won't charge you a quarter hour for that my point with that is if that's correct is that you know we
all got to kind of be on board with the concept and then of course obviously you got to go through planning but you know you kind of need four of us so well residents around there would need to be notified yeah what type of timeline are you i mean I'm concerned about us being in the timeline with Minotrista because
obviously this is a big issue for the developer to do all the things he needs to do and if we're looking at a tight timeline how quick can we turn that around when are you looking at that building if obviously you know Matrusa we'd start construction come this summer
though with it because we've had good interest in the project and Minusa was very supportive of it uh from the public meeting we did and general direction of it so we it sounds like from the few council you know council you sound positive too about this uh development
so obviously like to get this uh going and like still work with staff and if there's meetings special planning commission meetings or we'll we'll accommodate your schedule to make this work you say April 28th you're going for
for planning commission minister for preliminary plant okay okay it's always the first mhm so not summer important thing for us to figure out okay all right if we need to add a unit we'll sneak one in
we did have some preliminary conversations with the cook about timing you know if if applications come in you know the first thing is we have to get the material and we have to have the signatures and we have to have complete information so that we can send it out
for determination of completeness so that we have an application complete information so once we get all the comments back that we can notice for the public hearing and to try and keep them on schedule one one thing that we talked about is um say for example it comes in
tomorrow the earliest we could get them done for completeness would be probably that last week of April and we then we have to publish right public hearing notice 10 days and we have to do mailed we would not be able to hit the first meeting in May but the planning
commission uh does have uh the opportunity if they're willing and we can accommodate schedule they would do a special meeting upon request and sometimes those are normally held at their third their third Tuesday of course that's that's assuming
that we get the applications in and we get things deemed to be completed we all figure out what we need to do no and we have you know we could submit stuff very rapidly because we obviously have the full application before Ministrista so which you could probably turn over to you you know a few things were to help
at least expedite the project right long as we have we need complete information we need full grading engineering water and sewer storm water architectural flat all of that has to be a standard application that we do have for the
ministers we've completed that obviously we did the same for the others so the only thing that's I'm still completing is tree survey you know fails like that but the majority of all you've listed we have done on that so we'll work with you to get
the information then you can review it and make sure it's uh complete to help with the process no thank you all right does council have any other questions no they look awesome okay well thank you yeah I appreciate it looks great uh even the better than the last one so good well thank you for your
voice of support appreciate it very much we'll see what you do planning and then I'm going to open it up i don't know if anybody here wants to say anything quick but um if Yeah come come on up yeah very briefly yeah give us your name 6627625 um the neighbor Bartlett
Boulevard the neighbor my wife as well Cammy um I I would raise a point about the density issue um so that the area with the blue condominiums is very isolated it's from the rest of the development and it's actually probably a
mistake to make that higher density at the time because it's so disconnected with everything else and I'm not pointing fingers at anybody it's just that's how land use works at the time but it is it it's extremely difficult to make it that density because it's not connected with sidewalks etc etc so um
hopefully there could be a balance and I don't know if you can do this between the communities and density because the interest is a little denser and I don't know if you can share density like that but probably not so there you go um but um Cammy and I plan to we were up here before and I remember the comments and
it was 10 units on just part of that and it was stacked in there and it was Mount Hookie that was the comment and at the time I said we're going to stay here long term and Cammy and I still are we're going to um we're going to be building in the gray house there on that
property so we plan on staying there um we've been there seven years we bought it when um when Serenity or whatever it was called that was going to tower above our house so we knew that this is there's been a couple other iterations since then this by far is a premier
development so I'm I'm glad that you all have seen it um the way I see it and uh we're excited about it um this also gives us an opportunity we bought part of our lake shore 50 ft of it from the county it was a tax forfeiture parcel um
about three years ago four years ago that had a conservation he's been on it for 20 years so we brought that back into the tax role um we're going to continue to do better on that the lake shore is in extremely bad shape so this gives us an opportunity to fix the lake
shore um Mr dvalis talked about uh the trench uh the driveway um I have to repair that driveway a couple times annually it it erodess about one foot to two feet and where all that material goes it goes in the lake so it's an
extreme erosion issue so this gives us an opportunity to work with the developer um not only on that issue um to divert some storm water west um but also to u when we combine the developments to really uh fix some issues between the common property lines
with old retaining walls that um actually right now supports I got two houses on the property um supports part of the house so we're going to demolish the smaller house down by the lake um that will be gone And uh that's about I don't know it's probably 20 ft off 25 ft
off the lake so we're going to be moving our house back to to um you know environmental stewards um on every regard so appreciate the development and I'll make it short and keep it at that we're going to be living beside the boat house so we understand the nuances with
that as well we won't be we're not uh we won't be part of the homeowner association either so just as an FYI so um we're excited about it so thank you all right thank you for coming thank you any other comments can you come up and give us your name
and address yeah my name is Phil Tosso address is 6641 Halstead Avenue so um sorry I think you guys can hear me out loud voice uh this specifically is my place that's my garage that's my house and so I thought do you want to
come back to the We can't hear you over here and it hits me for video you're on video freaks out oh all right um so that's my house is right next door to the boat house and so I know we were going through some of the slides and I was uh I was more concerned about the
screening between that house or the boat house and my house so you know out my kitchen window we're not 10 ft away from 18 families screaming and yelling you know so is there some sort of tree coverage or larger fence area that we
plan on putting there that would be question one yes and and by the way thank you for doing all thanks so the answer is um here just one address us and then we'll have him come up after okay just give us the rest of your questions and then my second question
was I know we're uh when you the last three houses that are part of mound going leading up to my home is all gravel and prior to that in Minitrista it's all concrete right so are we replacing roads at this time when we
have to do all the city stuff um to like more paved roads and looks nice and if yes that's great and my question would be after that is are we going to be assessed 10 $15,000 for that or is this going to be included in the the offer
okay thanks so we'll we'll have him come so on the and so I'm glad you brought it because what we're going to do depend that we're telling it push the boat house as far to the north as possible to get away from your property so essentially get it to make sure I don't
blow this thing up again get it tight to this side to allow uh trees to be put in here uh probably right species like that to give you some screening uh in terms of road improvement we're working through that
obviously the area you know this will be improved to create this turnaround that area but you actually sit in Minatrista right nope are you mount so mount comes like that three houses okay so this comes over it cuts across so yes we'll
be working with city staff to see how that gets addressed i can't say about how they'll deal with uh assessments i'm not knowledgeable enough to answer that question but obviously if we need to improve roads that'll be part of this development
all right thank you Rita can Sorry no it's fine or Sarah can you tell us about when we approve that area do we have to pave it or do they have to pave it does anybody know just having that conversation okay we don't
know the answer yet well it it's been an aspect for those that have been in past concept plans that has been a discussion um that whether or not how that if that gets paid and what the requirements are so I think that hasn't been decided because we haven't gotten to the next
step okay of a project to have a full conversation especially now that they're providing driveways to the blue and the gray single family homes um on the I think it would need to be upgraded so that is something we need to discuss how
that looks and works it'll be pretty rinky dink to have the whole thing beautiful and then the little once again mountain a little road that's all you know dinged up couldn't All right any otherbody that wants to
come up all right uh bring it back to council any other comments or anything else i think everything that I was going to ask about got covered okay okay all right so we're pretty
comfortable so proceed good luck yeah you still got to go through plan good luck with that but thank you all right so all right number 11 thanks everyone give me a second i got to get it up here
oh you got it uh number 11 Lake Minnotonka area mayor thank you looks lovely um I just wanted to cop to No well do you want to stay in just a Yeah come back in um wait for the door to shut
so the the whole Lake Mitaka area mayors if do you want to go down on the next page you can see all the names on there you know Shorewood Mitaka BHD Pavement Minita Spring Park St bonnie Woodland i think there's might be a few on the
other side but um bottom line we all signed that were against uh basically it's like the new missing metal bill or whatever which takes control of exactly what we just saw here the three things that we did tonight would take that away from us more or less and put it to the state so we we basically said don't do
that um we met with the senator um you know all together and you know told her that as well as we've we've talked to her before when we went down to the capital um the only thing I've heard on that is I guess it it got out of committee but from I just talked to
Representative Myers the other day and he said no that's just a dead bill that's just dead so he said it's got bipartisan support but he says he doesn't think it'll finish or passport to be dead to get out of the committee but he thinks Once it gets to real life and they got a vote on it he doesn't
think it's going to go anywhere so well this letter is so well written i don't know who generated it did you or did one of the other mayors greenwood mayor and staff oh wow it's really great yeah and again we do have her support she's on
you know supposedly but we'll we'll see hopefully she you know continues with that support and you know if this goes farther than we want it to go so I don't know how how she could vote for this if we're all against it everyone that's all your cities i don't know why you'd vote
for it so anyway if anybody else wants to reach out to our senator um you can it's there's your email on the top there thank you um or send the same letter i mean this is I just wanted to show you show you know the public what what we're
doing behind the scenes so um it's just good to you know to let you guys know that hey on be on behalf of all these different mayors that we're we're lobbying her to say do not vote for this this was great to see thank you um Yeah so unless there's any questions
on that that's it all right um well done and then do you want to talk after or Okay all right so number uh 12 we got uh council reports so council member Pew do you have anything
no not much um last weekend um Gillespie had a series of events spaghetti dinner bingo and a band and everything i didn't attend any of it but they had a resounding successful fundraising event
um well over a thousand dollar you know it was successful and so that's good they're continuing to to be um healthier financially and um and a much more thriving center i think there are more people going they're starting to serve
breakfast on Thursday mornings now so in addition to lunch on Wednesday there'll be Thursday breakfast and it's it's a menu so you get to select on the breakfast that's about it i was there at the meet at the the live event i didn't eat
dinner there but I did see the the band yeah i know Pastor Jeremy and he was uh it was very good they did a Bob Dylan and then they did a kind of a everybody likes music set so that was cool um and I I did talk
to was it Rhonda oh yeah um and she you know obviously she was there run you know the director she's really done an excellent she's done a great job and I mean that plus the new church you know they got they got a monthly they got a a year contract so that's which makes a
big difference for them cool uh Council Member Mciny uh I agree with Sharing i went to the breakfast on Thursday and um they're going to be doing that all through April to find out what kind of success and attendance they have then they'll decide
if they're going to do it going forward into the summer so they're doing a fantastic job uh and that's I don't have anything okay uh Council Member Costalano I don't have anything okay council member Heric I don't have anything on all right and then um I just
want to say thank you for covering me i didn't watch it it was a quick meeting you did a heck of a job 45 minutes good thanks there you go try um I am going to be out uh the 1 of May the first one of May and the first one is June
unfortunately I have a work thing I can't get out of and then uh kind of an annual trip I go on in June so anyway you're stuck with him we'll make it shorter yeah you might have some things to talk about you never know uh but just so people know that and then
uh tomorrow night uh at the library uh Senator and Johnson Stewart who we just talked about is doing a bonding seminar uh kind of you know learning about bonding and how it works and which is kind of obviously important with what's going on right now uh it's at 6:30 um so
if anybody wants to stop by there and then um I just toured just before the meeting here jesse walked me through the whole city hall again and you know just our city right over here um you know kind of the whole point of
like we own this building why we're spinning our wheels right getting back to like that whole conversation um we went through every literally every closet every um open space the jail downstairs um I mean the the police
actually there's one guy there was actually a guy in there doing some work uh writing some notes or whatever but I mean it's a huge area i mean we got a lot lot of extra space there then I went upstairs um to kind of the you know the conference room the open area room and I
counted you know we had chairs and we have tables right now but you know they're actually spread out more than this and was it 60 chairs yeah they're about 60 chairs and I think that's not Broadway capacity i think it's probably more than that if you go up there and you stand in the back corner I mean it's
def it's big it feels bigger than this maybe I'm wrong but it definitely feels bigger than this now yes we'd have to recreate a stage we'd have to do some audio visual which we want to do anyway maggie's holding off on buying a huge TV that I want her to do um we should just
take all this we could literally just Well maybe because you know a level of professionalism is important yeah I think you got to do that when I joke about conference tables I'm kind of joking about it but I know you are but I always leave going you know is he serious with our with our monikers and
everything I think at least we have going for us we have a level of professionalism at our council meetings um planning yeah yeah and and you know we would you know all we don't overlap here either so we would you know have
you know planning on whatever night and we're on whatever night and parks and um there's an elevator there's stairs there's bathrooms lots of bathrooms there's two right outside the door but there's other ones um parking obviously is one issue um that we could we'd have
to you know figure out or work through but um again even if we gave you know a little bit more room for for this building right we'd have to maybe take a little bit of that for parking and the people would have to walk up around the corner um anyway I just think that personally I
think we should keep continuing the conversation of do we want to keep looking into this or just kill it and so I can get it out of my brain but you know again we're in this building that doesn't produce anything i mean it's just it we just have it because we we
just never got rid of it and you know the capacity for down the road right you wouldn't believe how much open area we have in there um even the mail room we went through the mail room today and if you guys have been there you know that big middle with a bunch of mail it's literally dusty it's never been It's not
been moved in years and we're looking at oh there's annual report from 1986 it's just sitting there you know um it's a monumental task to like figure out do we need all these things we just put them in a you know a file cabinet somewhere you know whatever we've got to do sell
that big machine maybe um we could make two offices in that one room alone and put our mail somewhere else so I'm just saying there's room for growth that the staff grows i'd love to just walk over there as a council before a meeting and if you guys you know if you want to do it yourself go ahead but if like you
know meet over there a half hour before the next council meeting and just go let's just see what I'm seeing and maybe I'm wrong but Well I appreciate that i want to hear from the staff if if there was growth within your your staff do you feel comfortable that there
would be enough room to have everybody in an office well I will be as always as political as possible but we serve at the pleasure of the city council and if that's the way the city council ends up going for you
know the benefit of the city this I I think I'll speak for Sarah brief on this the staff has made do for the last while and that's what we'll do um but I would only just say that as long as the council if that's the route we go is
willing to you know get creative and uh you know if we're going to use that space we're going to have it'll have to be different like I mean you're going to have to spend some money on some sheetrock and get a construction guy in there get a bid and figure it out but you have
plenty of room you we talked about that i don't get windows in your office i mean that's the that's where the but it's like everybody has a window and then there's Sarah it's like you're in a little pantry closet i'm a
cat i'm just fine in there but but yes I I I think it's a very large building that that was built for a very specific purpose in the early 2000s and if it and it if it's going to be repurposed yeah as long as we can you know think creatively and and thoughtfully I think
there's room to that to make it do okay she wants to say something well you know I went on the tour about a month ago by yourself you got to come with me well no i I went with staff okay okay and I wanted to go as the full council but y'all said "Oh no everyone do do their
own thing." So I went and did my own thing um and I think what we have to realize is storage there's a lot of stuff stored in this building that you can't government documents that you can't get rid of for so many years and
so there's some hidden space needs that um and when you look when I went through yes there the staff was all housed and there were a few spots but there weren't there wasn't really a lot of space for growth in terms of as it currently is
with the mail room being a waste of space and with one room you'd have to think outside the box and say what can we do what can a construction company come in and well I I've built you I built housing for years you'll know that I understand space in construction but
there's plenty of room and again I think we've only ever reduced staff we've never even really added staff well we reduce staff because of our budget issue that doesn't mean that we probably could use more staff and I'm saying if we added
I mean this three to 10 I think we have plenty of space for them if we reimagine how we're going to do I just think that we have to really do a a very comprehensive study because to get rid of something then you've got you you're not going to be able to replace it once
you get rid of it and so that that's the issue towards the future um you know and maybe in the future you don't need as much like like I wanted to buy timberland my son said paper's out out the door mom don't buy timberland you know oh so well he says it is you know
and he's in the printing business even um but you know um we have to um really be comprehensive i think we we want to get all the facts and you went through and I went through and we both had different reactions so we really
need someone to really outline all of this so that we're really looking at the full picture you know let's have all the the information before we start doing the dreaming so what would you want to move this forward to the next discussion item
you know the next time we talk about this what would make you happy well I think one is the space analysis of the the other building in terms of how much available space is there really okay and remember we're sharing it with the fire
department and we're going into the joint powers i'm not even talking about the fire department don't get me started on that there's plenty more room over there well I don't know they seem to be pretty tight they're not tight there's no But um but then I think we have to look
at this building and we say that we're not using this building we the city but we are providing space for other government entities and so if we take away the space for them where are they going do we lose having them in mound is
there a benefit of having them in mound versus then moving to Excel or Taka Bay so I mean I think those are the things that Yeah i don't think the city of M should be in the business of renting out their other spots just because we have a spot to rent out and again we just kind
of held on to this because we never did anything different so um I I don't know i mean we have a what $30 million problem that we need water for if if we could spend a little bit of money here fixing that up to make this better right
push this over there take all of our files in the basement put in the basement over there there's a lot of room out there just This is the tour aren't we also Aren't we digitizing a lot of our files anyway kevin's working on that yeah Kevin i swear i thought Kevin was working on it so Kevin's got
an office but he also sits up front right right so yeah yeah there's But you know you can't digitize i mean he's got other things to do so that that's the other problem too if we really want to take that on and maybe have some someone come in that knows what they're doing and hey digit that's all you do and get
you you've seen the all the files that may No I've done a project like that so I know yeah but the record retention is how long for the city there's a record retention schedule and it's different for different documents all the different documents okay so yeah but I mean we can digitize them we got
the whole police station basically downstairs which is about half of this room there's a kennel down there and everything else we got kennels we got We got actually the jail cell which does not use anymore we don't book people there anymore again I'm on the police commission they do say they have it as an option if they're in this area and
you know the middle of the night they just want to get it done quick i don't again from what Jesse was telling me doesn't happen like ever there's cobwebs in there we saw the spiderweb where you book people in there's no computer there's nothing there uh yeah it's a jail cell we'd have to reimagine that maybe we don't get rid of that part at
at first anyway but there's other spots in that downstairs again then you go on the fire station let's just say we do do this you know combination thing um there's a you know plenty of other desks and stuff in that side so let's just say we did run out we we added another three
to 10 people over on this side you can always you know have some over there so I again if if y'all are against it just let's just kill it but I want to move forward than I ever have been if we can get a decent a good price for this a good ra but I I'm not interested in
giving this away absolutely i want to get paid for it you know and take that put some of it towards our water the rest of it to update that and you know maybe there's a new development here that some developer wants to do wipe this put in like we just saw a nice
little development right on kind of right next to the fire department where the alarms go off well and I'm also with Sherry i I still think there needs to be some some more re-evaluating so what do we want to do to move forward because it's just like we just keep talking about this and we pay people to do
studies every time we turn around around here why can't we find someone to do an evaluation or a gap analysis and decide what is the value of this building what do we need to do to accommodate everything we need over in that building what are the expenses to do that so it's an overall picture of the entire Can we
do that yeah yeah actually I've been working on that so go Jesse go well yeah because I agree you asked Bolton right i mean okay and I don't know that may not be the exact route but we're exploring
you're on it i mean we've seen with other cities or vacant land and they put those posts right and they say development opportunity right you know we just reach re reached out to you and your buddy right but still not not I mean I went to college
your contact that very low levels associate yeah it was it was a free market analysis is what we got and we want something a little bit more and that that gave us a nice Yeah and there's also there's always a difference there's always a difference between market analysis and even getting an
appraisal done and and however you whatever you want to do that there was you know one thing that came out of it is that there is some value in in the land looking at this the building itself but not for development i mean there's there's probably more information that
can be garnered and put together so Jesse when do you think you'll have some news on that well at this point hopefully tomorrow wow that's fast i I didn't just ask him today don't worry
all right well keep that on the list so we can come back to it um the April 29th Tuesday uh does it work for us to do a joint
uh uh parks meeting that we're currently i don't I don't have I don't know if I'm back april 29th april 29th 6 p.m or 7 uh sure i think I can I respond when I get home and look at my I think I might still be in Boseman but I got to respond
i got I've got to go to a celebration of life and Okay so it's not going to work what are you saying tuesday the 29th 7 p.m 46 meeting for me let me see it's It's like our off night
right off bonus but if you're out of town and you're I got to respond to when I can't answer that cuz I I don't have my calendar as long as I don't go to New Orleans tuesday April 29th it's Jazz Fest oh that's a good one i've been a good one
uh is there a secondary date that we could put the 29th well I don't uh if it would be helpful if if there is one that very quickly we could come up with uh Maggie was going to float this to the parks commission on Thursday this week
so um they have yet to opine either but um what about the 20th april 20th or May it'd be May 20th oh you're saying May 20th now i keep my Tuesdays free so I'm pretty either that
or we have to do it on on a different night than a Tuesday may 20th would work well they meet on Thursdays yeah I know but this would be a separate meeting i know i'm just saying that they So it' be May 22nd then would that work well here's the problem with going too
far because we want to start doing some of the stuff that we want them to do so yep i don't want to go too far out so is there anything this month end of the month that could work or you're gone i'm leaving on Thursday and then for like till the end of the month for for four
like 12 days and then I've got a work related thing that's why I don't know if I'm back on the 29th but into the first week of May you could probably work something oh yeah probably but again I'm not a a phone calendar girl i'm a tactile girl so my calendar is at home i I have no idea i won't be back in town
though until after that first week in May where are you what a celebration of life for my friends we we can follow up too with an email this was just sort of you're all sitting here so pitch it out but sounds like this is probably not
going to be the ones well the problem is if we keep pushing this off you know parks they they want to do stuff in the summer right they want to start getting stuff done yeah we do want we want to ask for some money so we can have an ice cream social why did I say that
no we we want to have an ice cream social with all the people who do the flowers in our parks oh you know like we did the volunteer reception for the other volunteers for the people who do our parks we thought an ice cream social would be kind of fun would you be doing
it down at the ice cream shop probably because wouldn't you buy mound right i love that idea it's great so we might even do it at the farmers market well we get together and then we got to float a couple dates um I mean it if you can
just give us a couple then we can all just think this works then of course it has to work for them so it's like seven 10 people you know it has to work can we go to the actual meeting or is or your agenda is usually really full their actual meeting oh Maggie there you
are you're hiding behind the computer screen tonight our meeting this Thursday is pretty busy um I think our the second Oh no we don't I'm thinking council oh my gosh um I think our April no you mean
May may meeting will be just fine to We could maybe do a joint meeting that one that you could maybe add that to a couple of dates that we can look at but what what week is that for second uh it's the second Thursday of the month
may 15th that won't work for me so I just totally I was I'm out of town the second Thursday is May 8th okay well again correct it's useless to do this i don't have a calendar so I can't even ask well then we're going to email back and forth for two weeks so well I don't think so if you can give two or three
dates yeah okay we'll we'll do that all right speaking of dates if even if most of us can show up if we can't get them us all it's not you can't guarantee everybody's going to be there speaking of dates Kyle sent us a group email which that was a mistake he should I understand that but are we going to be
able to set something up and make it a public meeting or what was No he shouldn't have sent that to you it was on accident it was It was supposed to be just Jesse and I Okay he's a new staffer he doesn't Yep yep got it it was a mistake i called Myers and I said "You can't do an It's a open meeting you can't invite us all to a meeting that
doesn't make any sense oh that was a mistake you should have sent it." So uh Jesse and I are doing that okay friday morning okay and um yeah it's just a quick little 30-minute meeting so basically what what it is is they're looking at is there any
option to yes you know the money might you know might or might not happen right probably not going to happen for 30 million for sure but is there any backup plan this is what I was talking about with the senator is can we do some kind of bill where it's like you know you get
three grand from the state and then you get rebated with you know reverse osmosis and water software and so you kind of do your own thing right now I know a lot of us are already doing our own thing but it's a band-aid bill basically but we're looking into that is what that's about so
great um and then you're I know you're you're working on the mound econom economic development committee idea or floating things yeah got your email yep um I don't know if you want to maybe next time talk about anything on that or
do we have a date yet on the website coming up live um so the delay on the website so uh council member Mcini and I are I I would say we're pretty much almost done with
the design and content okay the delay is coming with trying to coordinate going live with another project which is the invoice cloud platform um Noah and I the finance
director met with did a meeting with them last week we're confident that they have what they there there's just been some I don't know coordination issues with the two companies that are involved we think they're on the right
track now i'm hoping it'll go live within the next month i'm hoping both both I'm hoping both will be solved by in the next month okay is that iCloud holding I'm sure but but Maggie didn't you say the iCloud
is because they're they're having to deal with a couple different groups that aren't coming together at Yeah so essentially we have an outside company that does our man our billing um and so InvoiceCloud
and Opus who does our billing they have to coordinate their softwares to talk to each other and the issue that we were running into is that we are unique in the sense that we have quarterly billing so we have three groups that go out so
we stagger our billing and so um instead of having one big batch of data we've been having to long story short they're they now they know what the issue is now and they know what they need to do to fix it and
so I'm hoping I'll have an update by the end of this week or early next week on where that status is but the whole goal was to get both of these projects done at the or to have that solved so that when the website goes
live people will have the ability to then use InvoiceCloud at the same time if if that makes sense yeah we we don't want to we don't want to get the website up and running and then everybody goes there bill nobody can still pay their bill yet
because that's part of the functionality and perk that we're trying to offer the residents is the invoice cloud so it would be kind of silly to go live if that's not that that just adds the oh great here we go we're new we have a new thing but this doesn't work you know
broke yeah since most the world has no idea we're really getting a new website we'd rather have it 100% functioning i disagree i've been telling to make a launch i've been telling you well I don't think it's on most people's list it's been on our top of our heads for a
year but yeah but I would say yes the website is almost there and great okay that was something we were talking about but adding a page to the website that talks about economic development what mounds open for business so on and so
forth okay um I was going to suggest on t Thursday at 2 o'clock explore Minnesota has a monthly um webinar where they talk different cities talk about their different economic development activities and so um you can join just
go to explore Minnesota and it's Hernandez is a staff person um that conducts it excuse me right well Henipin County also has a very strong economic development website as well
that we can leverage as a resource yeah I think he does that one too i think he coordinates the county pieces but um you know at one time I wanted to to have him come and talk to us directly and he's willing to do that you know around
economic development um tomorrow morning I'm going to uh meet with the mayor of St bonnie just I don't know he wanted to meet so we'll see what we're going to talk about um Thursday we're meeting uh the budget
committee finance committee uh and we're going to kind of start digging into you know is it feasible to stay on our financial plan kind of and pay for a water treatment as a plan B and see what options we would have if if that would work out
if we don't get any funding here or or the whole amount or whatever so again kind of just starting that conversation uh on the 15th we have the fire partnership meeting again uh that's you know combining our fire departments uh
we're making quite a bit of progress there uh we we're kind of waiting on the budget part we we kind of have what we think we want for mound and we're going to kind of propose it um to the group per se and
then but we did make some pretty good progress on the contract so um the contract part I thought was going to be a little bit more the sticky part and we actually kind of agre we actually got a lot done this last meeting um so again let's just say all this works out
and we actually come up with a budget and and the contract and then we actually vote on it i think the goal is June june or July thereabouts okay and then really we would bring it back to us to actually officially vote on it what
august or so i I would say in that same time frame just for budgetary purposes yeah before we before August um and then um last thing is uh on next Wednesday
morning at 7:30 the 16th we're going to do coffee with a cop so if anybody is listening or or seen this uh stop out uh mountain caribou coffee 7:30
um and what the what day uh the 16th next Wednesday the 16th 7:30 in the morning probably go to 8:30 or so um but we have uh um was it just one officer or a couple maybe
coming out uh the chief and some others whoever's available is encouraged to to swing by and spend some time and um I don't know if Tony was just talking big game but he sort of indicated that you know they'll stick around as long as they can so people show up you know you
got an audience okay um is there a way we could maybe beyond just us sitting there in Caribou with you know with cops and then people walk in can we say maybe do like a little sign or something coffee with a cop something like that i know you is it
did you create that graphic or did she maybe just blow that up and put on an easel or something just so people know what we're doing if anybody just walks in randomly and they go "Hey you want to chat with Mountain or Orno Police you know kind of an intro as people walk in
so they know they're in the right spot." Yeah um that's it so any anything else anybody has uh number 13 you guys got anything we cover everything all right all right
i'll take a motion to adjurnn motion to adjurnn and can I get a second second all right any other discussion all those in favor please say I i those opposed all right