##VIDEO ID:HqBh8K1N_Z0## welcome to the mountain city council meeting is Tuesday December 10th uh 6 o'clock we're in uh Mountain council chambers can we rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible withy and justice for all right we got our agenda do we have any amendments we have two amendments one to the consent agenda and one to item seven on the regular agenda um the first one on the consent agenda will be item s a resolution approving contributions for 2024 and the regular agenda item is will be 7 C which is a resolution amending the early start agreement to Lake batonka Flats those are both in in front of all five of you okay everybody good with that all right so we got our agenda with the Amendments can I get a motion to approve the agenda like to make a motion to approve the agenda with the two amendments okay got a motion can I get a second second second okay any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos all right we got our agenda all right now we got our consent agenda we got a long one uh who wants to go through this I'd like to pull a couple Okay g h and and I G H and I I okay so besides the rest of those uh who wants to read through those I can do that but um so we're amending oh uh do I need to add s yeah yeah yes okay what does s need to say exactly uh that's right well just oh okay okay sorry this one all right um okay so consent agenda items a through r a a through S removing GH and I um approve payment of claims B approve minutes none C approve resolution approving permits for the 2025 Polar Plunge on January 25th D approve reappointments of David good Drew heel uh Nick Rosner to the mountain Planning Commission for threeyear terms ending on December 31st 2027 e approved resolution approving permits for the 2025 Spirit of the Lakes Festival uh Thursday January 17th through Saturday July 19th and waving fees F approve ordinance uh amending chapter 101 of the mountain city code regarding General administrative Provisions related to planning case escrow accounts electrical permit fees and plumbing fees um moving to J approval of Doc program multiple slip in andout service contract K Bureau of Criminal apprehension jpa L Master subscriber agreement for Minnesota Court data services for government agencies M pay request number eight and Final in the amount of $844 66 to minger construction N Pay request number three in the amount of 123,000 $51.75 to Whitmer construction zero pay request number three for $29,000 $ 29,44 126 to New Look Contracting P pay request number three in the amount of $14,888 to create construction and Q pay request number three and Final in the amount of $178 78 to Allied blacktop R pay request number one in the amount of $ 24,56251 [Music] approve the consent agenda minus uh ghni I motion to approve Y and the second please second okay roll call please council member Larson hi council member mcin hi council member Pew hi council member Castellano hi mayor Hol hi okay so all that passes okay except for G GH and I andad I've had all of them pulled because they're all related to The Docks I did get a call from the constituent who was very upset about the increase in the dock rights and um I tried to share with them that even with our increase we're 50% of what most cities around the league are charging but they were upset about that more so they were upset about the fact that doc funds were going to be used to take out trees now I'm not on the doc commission but I assumed that those were trees on the common sites not trees throughout the city but even if it was trees throughout the city I would support that but that's not the case um so I just wanted to bring forth their complaints their their their concerns about this um they felt that the doc money should stick with the docks and um and that you know they were concerned about the increased cost and the impact on their taxes okay um you're on the doc Mission yeah uh so at our last meeting we approved uh it was unanimous we approved the fee schedule changes to stick with the long-term financial plan it was you know just to stick with what we were doing and then we talked about um the budget line item in particular for trees and those you know for anyone else that might be listening with with with a doc it's the money in the docs fund to take down trees in the docs Commons are funded by the doc fees it's not like a um City general fund money that's we have money in there for of City we take care of the commons right or do or or are the residents taking we hire someone to take like take down the tree yeah yeah if they can't do it but there's separate money for the rest of the city for the other trees but and these trees are ashb yeah they're Ash does anybody else have any comments on it it's your last one go ahead [Laughter] um I argued about this last year at this time about uh the commons uh the doc fees being used for property that's owned by the city of Mound I lost that battle but I concur with Sherry that we should not be using dock funds to pay for taking down trees even if they're ash trees maybe there's some grant money there but I went through this in detail last year at this this time and I still disagree with using this is not this is not correct but that's my opinion any other so do you want to do anything different about this or just the comment um well I was neutral on it but because the person spoke with such compassion about it I felt that I should at least raise it tonight and you know share their comments and concerns yeah you know my feeling is that um I I'm assuming that the doc commission did um real um thorough work in making their process and I probably would support the doc's commission's recommendation okay and again they're unanimous in support yeah and like the end of our conversation was we're raising the fees so that the people that pay to have a dock and have their comments cleared is self-sufficient and it's not coming from the city's General fund yeah so like if someone that doesn't have a dock they're not like in the dreamwood Commons if a tree fell down uh someone who lives in the middle of town is not paying for them to be able to access yeah yeah right okay so we got to vote on all these so can we do them all three at once or do we got to do them separate like kind of adding them to the consent agenda the consent agenda is done so it has to be each okay each separate okay all right so G docs and Commons commission reappointment he Heidi Peterson um can I get a motion to uh approve that uh I'd like to make a motion to move to reappoint Comm doc commissioner Heidi Peterson okay got a motion can I get a second second second okay two seconds any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos all right that's approved and then we got H approve official Doc map addendum can I get a motion to approve that um I'd like to make a motion to approve the DOC map addendum got a motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppose all right that passes and I uh approve resolution amending doc program license fees I get a motion to approve that i' like to make a motion to approve resolution amending doc program license fees okay and can I get a second a second and any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppose I so that passes okay so now we're on to comments and suggestions from anyone present that the item is not on the agenda uh you can bring come up give us your name address and give us uh 3 minutes and just so you know if you were here for the consent agenda and your item was on there that was all that's passed now so anybody wants to come up you want to come up give us your name and address uh Tom scrad 2968 Pelican Point Circle uh hopen County uh there was tax levies were supposed to be on the agenda tonight I thought it is is it is y I missed it yeah we'll have a public comment um that's number eight right number eight okay okay thank you thank you any other anybody else wants to come up all right not hearing anybody uh number six we'll go to Oro Police Department activity report for November welcome good evening [Music] um just looking over the past uh month uh November 1st through November 30th uh we look like we've had about 77 calls for service in the mound area uh that's a little down uh and the last few weeks we I've noticed it pretty severely the cold weather has drowned down our calls for service um I kind of call the guys are going and the gals are going into kind of self-initiated modes now and they're finding things to do so you might see them walk in your neighborhoods checking doors checking houses uh there's just you get at one point our uh main for the dispatches US from henan county has gone quiet in the middle of the night for 6 hours with nothing in the whole area so it's getting with cold weather hits I mean it could be it's a good thing but when cold weather hits it's just going to get a little slow and that's a good thing but um we're still nothing is tweaking on what we normally handle our Medicals our domestics or disorderly we're handling them just on a regular basis nothing um no high numbers like one or two maybe at a time but that's I mean it happens everywhere so nothing really is changing on on that board I don't know if you guys have any questions as if you've seen anything C have any questions I was specifically interested in how many um individuals calls you had where the police was there by themselves or you were or those calls where you were there with the fire department because we were looking at the duplication of services with assist is what you're talking about yes I brought that to uh my chief last week um along with the ebike information he's got everything set to go for I think tomorrow's your police commission meeting and he's going to bring you guys up to speed on that stuff uh he he's contacted um like henen County dispatch and we got all the numbers kind of put together on that stuff so that he can give you accurate readouts on it but um from what I understand one of the entities in our area where we supposed to be meeting with them to discuss those lift assist issues so um yeah specifically I had heard that there's a challenge that we have a because of um the negligence of the property owner that there's a woman at Grand View who the police or the fire department is having to assist or getting down the stairs to go to dialysis have you guys been involved in that more than likely we probably have been I'm I'm not familiar with the incident um typically we to us we'll go on our own if we can as much as possible um if we can't do it that's when the fire comes out and um I I'm not really familiar with the Grand View bullet one I can look it up and check for you see what that is but um typically we go to private house you know and in in Mound we go to private homes and stuff to help people up if they fallen or and the main thing is to to check for injuries make sure they aren't injured and stuff so and that usually would would insist on us calling for ambulance not fire for well i' specifically would like to see the information about Grand View because I'd like to potentially have the council look into looking at ordinances our attorney can tell us if we can do this to maybe set up um a licensing system for I think multif family over 10 units so that we have some way of getting these landlords to be responsive to the S health and safety of the people who live in their buildings when you've got a woman in a wheelchair on a third floor with no elevator there's no elevator the elevators don't work in the building that's it Grand View yeah oh if if I made the the elevator is working now it's working now just to clarify okay well that's good to hear just as I was getting ready to come down but we might still want to look at that I think as a caution in the future yeah the chief will have stuff tomorrow and he might be able to speak more onto that information if he's talked to other um cities as to what how they're handling all that and how they're handling the the call out of lift assists and paging out fire but typically if we can do it on our own we'll do it on our own we have three four guys on on a shift if we we'll pull them down to help out so now how is the social work is she still with you guys yes she is okay yep she she's us usually um forwarded all our case loads that involve multiple calls and then people needing assistance like we can stuff or um you know just housing or anything social work related she receives and then um she reaches out to them so she's fairly busy she's also with other agencies so we split her time with her so she came and spoke to us last year it'd be nice to have her come back and give us sort of an annual update okay on things trends that she's seeing in the community all right I can uh forward that and see if she'll make a time for you guys like she can come down with me or something or on yeah just reach out to me and then I'll connect her okay thank you all right any other questions all right thank you for coming up all sorry a few more things I uh they wanted me to relay here um should I go through it oh uh December 12 sixth grade dear graduation I was supposed to make sure I got all and then uh the Friday December 13th we're going to have we're going to be doing the week can um food drive with uh the school and then also on Friday we'll be doing k 11 Toys for Tots with k 11 so um other than that uh just we ask that remind Community to get their vehicles off the streets from 2 to 6 uh we're we're hanging by a thread here we're pretty sure we're going to get hit with some snow here shortly and that the public works we usually come out and we just tag and toe if we can't get the owners because we have to get them out of the way for for them to plow through so that was one thing and then um I've been telling you guys we got a new officer starting I have her with me tonight so if you guys don't mind to come up ince yourself to you welcome hi thank you oh um my name is Abby um I did almost 5 years with the St qu Police Department left there to go back and finish my Bachelor's in criminal justice which I just finished and um I wasn't entirely sure that I want to go back into law enforcement because as you know it's been a little bit rough um but ultimately a current employee referred me had really really good things to say um about the community and the police department in general so here I am I'm back and I'm excited to be back cool welcome welcome thank you appreciate you coming out thank you thank you anything else no good thank you apprciate all right number seven we got review and discussion with Lake minona Flats LLC development team regarding town home project at 2400 2420 Commerce Boulevard and Sarah are you gonna do this one or Jesse no you don't okay at least kick it off then okay good evening mayor members of the council uh staff and guest I'm Sarah Smith I'm the planner with City uh I'm also the development director but just a humble planner uh we have the folks from uh the Min Lake minona Flats development team with us this evening uh as you recall we did amend the agenda to add a third item uh related to an amendment to the early start but they are here to talk about two things uh primarily one a condition that's in the resolution that approved the conditional use permit for the Pud related to uh the applicant providing six visitor parking spaces by recorded agreement uh additionally theyve brought their design team with uh with them this evening and they want to provide the council uh staff and guests with an update to the development of their architecture as they've gone through final design and so they've got some uh really exciting uh Graphics to share with members of the council and the folks that are with us in the audience so with that I think Jim ghou is here and I think Dan Schaefer from Lake minetonka Flats team is here in addition to a couple of their Architects so with that cool thank you thank you apprciate uh Jim you want to come up and I guess let's talk about a first pardon me uh yeah condition sure thank you thanks Sarah uh mayor councel uh it's good to see everyone again um as you may have seen we were able to get uh somewhat started on the project um um and we're here to update you on sort of where we're at on uh parking and um sort of just some architectural changes so um let me just make this quick we uh are here for this part requesting an agreement uh with the city to uh basically allow six visitor parking spaces in the uh public ramp we thought we had an agreement with Gillespie Center uh for these six spaces and when their board uh took that up for consideration uh they elected not to do that which is totally within their um you know power to do that they just didn't feel it was for their long-term um you know parking was something that would work so um we've uh really locked in on the public ramp as an option it's within the required uh radius that the development agreement required and so we're here looking to uh resolve that requirement through uh the public ramp which does allow overnight parking uh which really would only come up in our project uh during the winter uh between uh I think at the hours of 10: and 6 in the morning 2 and 6 2 and 6 in the morning so there's a very narrow window where we wouldn't be able to park um on Commerce so the parking garage we felt was a was a great solution for that so okay I'm here for any questions but does council have any questions for you well it looks like you've exhausted your hope and what what is the what is your anticipated price point for each you you know for each home so we're still getting bids back um it's probably I'm going to say at this point because I I we don't have a number yet I would just take this with a a grain of salt it's going to be north of of a million but that comes with a a a dock so that would be uh good quote I still give you five star I'd give you five stars except for the fact that there's you know at that price point particularly no on-site parking and I'm hoping that um you know you're still going to be working diligently at trying to take care of that with any surrounding properties for sale we are we we are definitely in in uh conversations to do that uh but based on timing to continue where we are right now this seemed like the best solution for us um you know there again we we do feel that the street parking for a majority of the year is adequate um there are at least 10 or 12 spaces directly in front of our property um so in the limited cases where it's either overnight in the winter between 2: and 6:00 in the morning where a visitor who would be spending the night would have to use the garage um depending on how these uh homeowners are you know if they only have one vehicle there's another space in the garage for a visitor um it just depends we don't know what everyone's situation is going to be but we'd certainly like to address it uh you know in a a joining property if possible any other questions no I mean since it's for like like he was you know like you were saying part of the night for part of the year I don't really foresee that being a problem but um I don't have any questions I guess so with this uh a attorney what what do we what's our next steps with well motion or yeah well as you know or as you may know the there's a there's a condition was getting to it right now there's a condition in the resolution of approval that let me get to the language here that the applicants provide six visitor parking spaces either on site or through a recorded parking agreement ment on adjacent property within 0.25 miles of development my understanding is that the parking ramp is that within that that radius yeah um and it would meet the intent because it has more than ample space for for the parking um I would highly dissuade the council from requiring an agreement that's recorded and in fact I don't think there's a need for an agreement because they can use it just like anybody else the public with the same restrictions and rights right so um my the thought is is that since this appears to meet the intent of that condition if the council is okay with at this point with with uh disregarding disregarding the need for a recorded or written agreement on it and allow them to use it just similar to any other n public um that can be that can be done to help them move forward um there's I don't we don't need a formal action just just a consensus uh from the council would be enough okay and then what's his next step after that well yeah his his next step would be um um if he has a desire to clean up the the condition um there's as of right now city code has a process that has to go through an application and you just need to talk to uh Sarah and he can work through that okay all right so consensus so so short short story long it's like removing the condition it it it's not an official removal but it's an understanding that this meets the intent and we're not the city's not going to move forward with seeking an agreement since it's a it's a public uh facility okay that can be used by them by anybody in the public in the same manner and so we just be looking for consensus is it does it basically is it an acceptable approach okay so again and remember we're not doing a contract with him and you know holding those six spots anybody can park there any any City any any person for 24 hours you got to go to movie car every 24 hours but I mean this kind of goes back to before when we were deciding I wasn't necessarily A proponent of like requiring that additional parking we were kind of like divided on what we thought was needed or not well remember city code says they don't need the six this was a planning yep uh add-on basically so but I do want to caution because before you guys were on when Paul and I were it's senior members here um we um have with many groups having events have said use our parking lot our our garage and especially the um Philips Island town hall for their event parking the the you know the the ramp is their event parking space designated space for our agreement with them I'm not sure if that's in writing do you remember Paula I know that we talked about it might don't know if it was C right now I don't remember I've got something else I want to ask Sarah though but okay well that just wanted to remind us that we need to think about you know we can keep promising it to a lot of groups what happens when they have multiple uses on the same day so remember this is over subscribed the intent of public it's public anybody could use it I could go park my car there if I want you could you know anybody could you live in Maple Grove you could do it too I mean if it's full then they're your people are going to have to find a different spot you know I think what council member PW was saying too is what they were talking about with the island is like to Mr landman's point you know to stay away from those yeah agreements yeah and the other thing too is I I didn't get ever get to the point of looking into it um but based on how the the project for the ramp was funded we may not be able to actually have some formal agreement or at least charge you know for it too right so was part of the Tiff but again I haven't looked into that but I remember I see Paula shaking her head up down so okay so again do we have consensus Paul had something she wanted do you have something for this first of all does our ordinance say that we're supposed to have those it our ordinance does not say they're required no our say second thing is it's uh Sarah just correct my brain seems to me we had another buyer of a building in Mound they wanted to buy the building and redo it and all this stuff but they kind of got the door slamed in their face my recollection is because they didn't have enough parking and so they brought up the parking in the ramp which would be closer proximity to this commercial building than this property going in to the to the ramp do you recall that I got a call on it so do you remember that I know what you're talking about it was they're looking at doing like a wedding venue yes and then oh yeah their their thought was could we just shuttle back and forth to the correct to the ramp yeah and again I think they can but with not an agreement okay like again we're talking we're not doing agreement we're not doing agreement we're not charging money because it's uh funded differently and stuff we can't do that but if they wanted to technically now they needed that for the whole thing to work out because they only had I think it's four or five part parking spots they had 15 but it wasn't anywhere near enough for any event I think they only have like four in the back I think they secured 15 okay with with the neighbors they yeah they still weren't anywhere close to but remember if you're having weddings I mean that's a lot of cars that's a different situation but somebody could be having a party there too at the flats and just tell them just go down there and park it's public go ahead and I understand that but what I'm disturbed at is that a new business coming to our town in my opinion got the door slammed in their face and said no you we not going to allow that it's not this group uh well I don't know what led to it not going through but yeah I can't remember if I talked to that person or if I just heard about it old I it's too bad we're doing it now and we didn't do it then but if it's not in the ordinance that they have to have so many uh parking spaces like some of the other part the one over there by the shopping center that was going to come in and that yeah I I I my personal opinion is is that we should either change it or uh be consistent in who we say it's okay to that's my opinion so I think when we originally voted this through that that did come up where we're like you know we have the Planning Commission said we want six spots right but that's not in code you don't have to have six spots remember each unit is going to have two garage parking spots on their own plus they can park in front pretty much all day except for what rush hour and then two to two to six well actually plowing that's only in the winter right so really it's just rush hour okay that they can't park in front of there so I think it would be good for us to have our attorney look at the doc doents for the parking Ram so that we're clear as to how it was funded and it's use and then we can be consistent with that use going forward in case we get any other um request or expressions of using that for parking well my issue with this and it's beautiful you know you've gone to Great Lengths to design this beautifully both from the street view and the lake view and I just I just feel that relying on the street for a beautiful you know 12 plaques or whatever you want are referring to it as um I just don't think enough thought went into you know when you initially had your two on-site parking spots for safety for the convenience of guests I just feel like you dropped the ball there but it's it's a five star I mean it's beautiful and I just feel that you went to so much effort to design this on a challenging you know amount of property that I would have liked to have seen more um effort be put into guest parking right and I've made that pretty clear every time but it's but it's beautiful there no question we continue to pursue other options um that would be much closer I mean from a timing stando point because this situation is very much tied to what we can continue to build and so resolving this now would be much better for us now is there a better long-term solution we're working on that but you know we don't I can't tonight tell you that we have that figured out but I I don't disagree with you well I appreciate the fact that you know it hasn't left your radar yeah that that's an important and and I think it's for the people who purchase right property as well um but for the sake of saying yep there's six spots there's six spots around the corner on the old Auditor's road that people can park into so I'm I'm in agreement of this temporary solution okay thank you okay so is that a yes for you yeah okay or follow I'll go on okay yes everybody okay everybody's yes thank you okay then we'll work with staff to amend that whatever the process is that you recommend yeah yeah and and I I'll say that with regard we talked about this but with regard to the project itself this meets that requirement and then talk to talk to staff and then with it and then you can work through the application and timing the process okay so just so I'm clear this wouldn't slow anything down based on that going back through the the process we can still move forward correct the interpretation from the from the council right now is that you met the intent okay um and you can you can move forward but there's um some possible cleanup that would need to be done understand so great so thank you this item itself won't hold it up good appreciate that all right okay so B the fun part B yeah well can you show us what it looks like now well you have to more qualified people talk about B oh okay can we turn the lights down a little so thank you thank you um all right can you give us your name Dan schaer withth SW Builders okay um Council and mayor we're here excited to show the uh I guess latest and greatest iteration of Lake minota Flats nice so uh Kyle sonor the architect he'll kind of walk through some of the details okay thank you thanks hello good evening thanks for uh having me here today I'm really excited to share what we've been working on I know there's been some updates and just continual development from what you probably seen last um and just as a uh piece of that we've done everything we can to respect and honor what you've seen up until this point and then just as the design process proc continues we get into the code we get into you know inch by inch designing every piece of this and so um there's been some updates and even as part of the context here in this par parking conversation it's it's a tight site and so every square foot of this site has been a a challenge um both from the the Lakeside um rules on height restrictions and trying to get that parking underneath these buildings just to accommodate what is required by code as the two lots per unit so um as a a bit of a design challenge it's certainly been a unique site and um we're not trying to we're trying to leave every possibility um in terms of how do we accommodate that parking and concerns around that as explored so effort has been G going into this on our end definitely to try to accommodate that but um just generally speaking we have some of the updates that have been going on are sometimes behind the scenes on the interior Circ circulation on how do you get a um accessible entry and a double back ramp so that someone can access the public space for accessibility and for the those who are on the second floors is have access St elevator and things like that have required us to widen the front Gable in in the bottom left corner you see a little diagram there that was the previously approved um presented U masing of the building we've had to you know adjust to get this sort of ramp in the building part of that was because we needed to um get the cars down into a parking lot below the building while also respecting a 35- ft height limit and we had to kind of switch the difference here and so you have to kind of build up which then creates a challenge for ramping so we want to have a car going down underneath the garage without creating too steep of a slope that creates any sort of risk or danger to the road and inv visibility we wanted to have a gentle ramp down we're also providing a gentle ramp up so people in a wheelchair can access the front door to this building so there's a lot going behind the scenes in terms of Code Compliance um getting accessibility and from the health and safety perspective just being able to provide ESS from this building in such a tight thing means we've got very limited Footprints as well as the kind of like um uh the the the county road that we're working on has the setback that we can't um work Beyond in terms of ramping so we're tight in a really narrow slot but if you want to keep going on I'll talk a little bit just about the the the general development is you know it's a transitional style which we felt like is a Timeless it's sort of a tutor style that we're um feel like is a timeless style but has some contemporary features as well as pays a little homage especially as you go down to kind of the the lake side to this this sort of you know city of mountains Lake environment here we're trying to just celebrate the fact that these are lakeside homes these will be as like condo type buildings where they can really take advantage of that beautiful sort of wetland in the backyard with a boardwalk that will connect to the units um this the slips for their boats um but in that sense we're looking at Verandas and what kind of makes a coastal or a wetland AR like a architectural language that respects that sort of personality and sense of place that is present in Mound so we've Incorporated these Verandas and very you know Breezy spaces so that those even the garages have a sense of openness and um you know louvered passageways that can feel Airy and open and um you can see a view here looking kind of at the development from the lake side um and then if you just continue down here again this is from the canal looking back it's three similar structures they're basically identical one of them is mirrored but that would be the the Lakeside view from the canal you kind of see the Verandas in there and then again in this we have the sort of flat units there these uh two flat stacked on the left two flat stacked on the right with the sort of central um common area that will be where the circulation elevator is held and then on that lower level are where we have some louvered openings to what is the pass through where the garages are provided um again with the openness connected to Nature on the lake side you can really see just how close we are to the road and we are having to accommodate a a kind of a double switch back ramp which takes up a lot of space and to do that is where we're finding limits on how do you pull in these other additional spaces and it's it's a challenge and so just trying to get that ramp in there really limits what we have to work with in terms of the front yard and setbacks requirements from the company um yeah again just kind of trying to create something that feels Timeless and elevated but also kind of pays a little respect to the coastal style or you know Lake lakefront properties that you'd see um we're also trying to not just have a bunch of hardscaping in the front of these but actually soften with some landscaping and uh you know plantings that creates uh more walkable you know primary front yard access and creates a a Boulevard that feels very pedestrian oriented and you know softened the Landscaping so it's just not a bunch of concrete again some of the way we play with just the massing here so it's not a you know it's a building here how do we take this monolithic building and soften it so that to the eye it looks like there's Dimension and depth and layers and it adds a you know a sense of um texture which is things like the pergolas here the Shadows the material transitions even the front kind of primary entry here is got a projected bay window which will kind of become a central clear sense of Entry focal point kind of glows like a lantern right there it creates this clear place to enter the building this View kind of captures the larger bird's eye view of the full you know the the the canal where the connection to the you know the the slips are for the boats um and yeah again you can kind of see it at night here as it glows next to the water give you an idea of just the elevated sort of open living we're trying to take these Flats but also really connect them to the lake so we made a priority kind of holding this this great opening and Veranda space that sort of outdoor living the connection to Nature the things that people love about living in this area that we can celebrate um with that door and the sort of outdoor living patio Veranda space in each unit looking back we're trying to keep some of the materials warm and um just very approachable what was the square footage on the unit again units there's a couple different there's two different unit sizes we've got about a 2,000t unit on the the larger one and I believe 1,800 on the second one and so there's two of each of those per building it's like 20 it's closer to 2100 and I think 1,800 cool and DNR it's going to let you do the the um the boardwalk yeah that's been a that's a been a big uh a big process to get here I mean there's been a I guess a number of people have looked at this land and to go through that process with the in I'll let Dan speak to this so we're we're the boardwalk's been approved already we're doing some final modifications great right but it'll just be to your property it won't extend down to the other properties on Lost Lake will it it will leave our our property down to the slips in back there they wouldn't allow any connection to any of the other okay and then here's just a you know it's a pretty uh simple pallet and I think simple looks good for a reason ages well you know and so these are just some of the materials that will be part of it um terms of there the the simple light and dark composition but then really trying to take the the emphasis onto the landscaping and the the you know the environment we're in and let that be the the real star of the show so I believe that's all we got right now any questions all right does have any other question questions amazing um it looks amazing and um you know Lost Lake is really the gym of this town it is the most beautiful site in the city but I also know that the businesses on the same side of street that um west facing Sun at night in the evening it's pretty strong so you're going to have enough of a overhang on those windows for your residents because um if you look at especially like the nail shop and the barber shop they close their Windows they have window closings because the sound so intense coming in their Windows there's 12 ft of coverage on the Terrace's back to the main you know exterior envelope of the building so you're talking about that's the east side yeah yeah yeah so the west side when sun goes down yeah when sun they but even during the day it's pretty intense on those businesses yeah well you there'll be shade Shades included with that and some of the other features we've added is on on Commerce side and the return sides we're all triple plane triple pane windows as well so we haven't missed much all right yeah well thanks guys I appreciate it we want say great job you know we appreciate you guys looking at the amendment for the early start that's going to help tremendously so and keep in mind we do want to get a bike path that will go in front of your development on Commerce to to Andrew sisters thank you very much all right thanks thank you all right see we got a resolution and this is the one that is hand it out to you uh unless I'm wrong basically this is just adding sewer water right utilities and utility related work on the property yeah um the current early start also requires that in addition to any local permitting from Mound they also have to possess or be in possession of any agency permitting that would accompany any related utility work okay so this is just amending our original resolution yes okay yeah besides that all other uh terms and conditions um within the early start agreement are not will remain full force in effect okay so does council have any questions on this okay if I'm here none um I'll take a motion to approve the resolution resolution it's the second page there someone wants to read it uh I'd like to make a motion oh I'd like to make a motion for a resolution approving First Amendment to Lake minat tanka Flat's early start agreement okay we got a motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppose all right that passes thank you again guys appreciate it thank you thanks for coming out all right number eight we got 2025 final budget and Levy discussion question approval we got meie coming [Music] up all right uh mayor and Council item one is the 2025 uh fee schedule I just realized that the subject on the memo is not entirely correct so um just a quick background every year the city is required to pass a fee schedule um this is reviewed on an annual basis by staff um so staff did and then city council adopts um the fee schedule as part of its 2025 budget process uh so this has been any changes that are reflected in the fee schedule are in align with the long-term financial plan and utility rate study um and then they're also in line with other recommended changes um to kind of uh get like so we have some meter changes like our parts for meters those change in price every year so those are reflected as well uh so at the um previous October meeting the city council already passed the 2025 utility rates because we needed to get a message out to multif Family Properties on those changes because it uh it changes their structure more significantly um and so that part of the the fee schedule has already been passed um in your p packet strikes indicate for the uh within the resolution uh for the fee schedule um removal of information and then underlines indicate addition of information so after the fee schedule is passed fees will go into effect January 20125 and effective the first billing cycle for utility bills staff is recommending approval of the resolution that approves the 2025 fee schedule so within your packet is the resolution adopting that with the strike information and underlined additions uh it also includes um supplemental information on the fire department changes and again water meter uh Hardware okay so before we go farther on that we want to do the other talk about them and then let the public talk um I do have the next schedule uh that'll kind of be the next part I'll do the more of the budget and and um I mean I can go into that right now that's tax let's do that and then let's let let's open it up to the we can talk about it all at the same time we'll come back and go through each of them okay can I have a question yep I'm not sure if I think this is the right time um in all your fee schedules yeah I I'm not seeing the new business watercraft rental license included in this or is that part of the Peddlers and solicitors [Music] um on 3146 you've got a oneyear $200 payment for peders and solicitors okay yep so that was an oversight so we will have to add that and that would be for for the year the business watercraft rental license is $200 annually y with the resol you know with the Amendments that follow it that they have to make sure to pass before being granted the license yep so assuming we pass that we can just add that as a condition right yeah you can motion to approve adding on okay and that's something that would add be added to the fee schedule like permanently like well I think that's what I'm asking yeah yeah I think when we passed it it got passed SE as a separate item and we forgot to put it in incorporate it into this schedule so we will do that this time okay so now we're going to go B um you want to talk about that yes so uh this is uh request to approve resolution approving the 2025 general fund budget in Levy so in front of you this evening is the 2025 final budget and Levy proposals for approval as you know the preliminary budget and Levy was passed in September at the September meeting and that information was sent to henan County the past budget uh or the previous or the preliminary budget Levy increase was passed and one that reflected a 6% increase since the passage of that preliminary Levy property owners have received their 2025 preliminary tax statements henan county has released the 2025 preliminary tax rates for jurisdictions in the county and staff continue to finalize contracts and other budget related items the city council is now at the point in the budget process where it needs to approve the final budget and Levy before the December 27th deadline so at this time um I'll go into a little bit more detail but the finance committee and staff are recommending that the 2025 final Levy in budget remain at 6% again just a reminder the final budget and Levy cannot exceed that of the preliminary Levy before the city council can take action on the final budget and Levy though the city must hold a truth and Taxation meeting this is a requirement of the budget process and is required as a way to enhance public participation in the property tax system it's a means of to increase transparency in the process and provide education to Property Owners on how their property taxes are determined and to offer feedback so Property Owners after my presentation will if they're here tonight will be allowed to come up and offer feedback for so as part of the truth and Taxation requirement I'm going to go over the overall annual timelines of events from different government agencies that go that uh tie into the taxation process so in January property valuations are set by the county assessor in March Property Owners receive evaluation notice uh from the county assessor and then it's in March and may of the year that the appeal process is available the county holds an annual meeting here at City Hall where our residents are able to come and appeal and evaluations or to ask questions um after that period the valuations are finalized uh in September this is when the city council sets it preliminary budget and it's passed and sent to the county that information um including all other jurisdictions that pass theirs are included in a preliminary tax statement that's sent to property owners in November uh and then in December this is when each jurisdiction finalizes their uh final budget and then that that is the information that is included in on the final tax statements that are sent out so I'm going to just go over quick some of the this is just an example of the kind of parts of the property tax uh so again the city amount is one of of the entities that's included and broken down on that tax statement some of the budget highlights uh for the city of Mound so we completed a long-term financial plan and utility rate study this year uh the city of Mound uh we saw a net percent valuation of 3% so this is a huge difference um between the last few years where we saw huge increases um of 25.8% and 99.6% % uh and then the city of Mound had a negative 1 decrease in tax bill market value um so that plays a role in how taxes are calculated as well uh this city uh in the budget process was notified that it will be will see the elimination of its local government Aid in 2025 that's about 1% of the city's that was about 1% of the city's tax levy in 2024 the city increased its franchise fees in 2024 to diversify its Revenue sources moving forward uh per with that discussion it was because most properties in the city rely on city services but not all pay uh city taxes and so as a way to get some of those um some revenue from those properties that don't pay property tax to pay for to fund some of those services and then continueed focus on the maintenance of the capital reserve funds that that was the adopted as a priority in 2028 the goal there is to rely Less on issuing debt which comes with at times High interest and to reduce the Reliance on property assessments um for a funding as a funding source specifically for Street projects I'm not going to go into too much detail about this but again the long-term financial planning utility rate study those documents brought together the long-term goals and priorities of this city as it Rel relates to preserving current uh City operations and service levels it also makees sure that City assets are maintained accordingly to the ex to extend the life as long as possible and to use these assets as long as possible before needing to be replaced it's important to note though as a reminder that these documents are guiding documents as they are based on assumptions of what could occur and so adjustments are common and every budget year needs to take their consideration these plans were taken into consideration during the for the preliminary and final budget and Levy and fee schedules so jumping back to the presentation again uh quick overview of general fund so this is the fund that covers operating the operating division of the city and provides basic city services such as police and fire Street and Park maintenance planning and zoning and other administrative duties the Services provided within this fund are paid through different Revenue sources such as license fees permits fees intergovermental Revenue charges for services fines and forfeitures franchise fees and property taxes so essentially the city estimates um what it thinks it'll bring in for revenue for all other Revenue sources not including property taxes and then the remainder is covered by property taxes so uh again significant Revenue changes for 2025 we're losing our local government Aid on the corner there at the bottom corner you can see what it used to be in 2020 it was about 402,000 now we are we have gradually decreased to zero we also had a one-time Public Safety Grant in 2024 we will also not see that again in 2025 so this slide just shows kind of the shift that we're losing that re intergovernmental Revenue in 2025 and so it just kind of shows how the p is Shifting with those Revenue sources expenditure changes so starting in a significant change henig County will start covering the cost of property assess the city the county assessor so the county and City share and assessor right now and that will they decided that they're going to cover that entire cost it was a a budget it was an expense of 142,000 in 2024 it'll go down to zero for 25 which is which is big for the city to not have that expenditure so again the part of the general fund that's covered by uh part of it covered by property taxes uh other drivers include Capital Investments and revenues again planning for the future uh and then debt payments that we've issued in the past to pay for projects again this is just another slide uh regarding that this is just a description of how we get to that final number so again we calculate all of our projected revenues subtract it from what we think our expenditures are going to be and then that's how we get the general fund property tax we also as part of our long-term financial plan uh look at all of the needs as far as streets buildings Vehicles Parks maintenance and replacement costs and we schedule when those need to be maintained and replaced over time and then we also and then this is a slide that shows um next year's planned Capital expenditures in that area and then our debt payments so you do see our debt uh our debt payments going down significantly but again as part of this plan is we're shifting more into Capital trying to rely on debt less um and so so that's Again part of the process of of trying to balance between paying cash and and issuing more debt and then this just brings together um again the the drivers of property tax and where they're coming from other notable information this slide just provides you with the change in the total tax levy predicted tax rate um just other important drivers that go into the uh the entire budget process and calculation um one thing I wanted to note so again a lot of a lot of work has gone into creating the documents in 2024 to provide long-term Financial outlook for the city assumptions included that the city will continue to operate at the current level of services while maintaining and replacing its current Assets in a way that kept the tax levy as steady as possible over the next 10 years while eliminating the use of special property assessments as a financial tool so we've done that in the past for reconstruction projects so again the goal is keeping operations steady keeping maintaining our assets over time while um keeping the tax levy steady for the next 10 years so uh with that the finance committee and staff are recommending that the final budget and Levy be maintained at 6% and to approve the resolutions as shown in the packet reflecting that um and again that that is in line with the long-term financial plan and kind of keeps things where we need to be going as far as that uh our long-term goals one thing I want to State too because I know there's there are like there are some residents I think in the audience um so one thing about property values that I want to knowe before I'm done um the city's the city is a uh property values um per the henan county did reflect that a lot of the non-lake property stayed pretty flat or the value went down a little bit but a lot of the properties on the lake continued to go up in value and so that is a um a big part of why some properties did see a shift in their taxes as far as an increase another Factor was the state of Minnesota uh changed its algorithm for homestead credit and so more properties within a certain value are getting a homestead credit so their taxes are kind of Shifting down because the valuation that is calculated for their taxes is Shifting them down to pay less taxes but then it's kind of pushing things onto those higher value properties I don't have that so I just wanted to share that as well that's from a meeting that we had with the county assessor so that's all I have um if you have any questions I know um this is a period where we invite other residents up to to provide comment but um if you have any questions I'm available and uh does council have any questions for Maggie before well I want to thank Maggie and noan the budget committee and Jesse for working so hard to get us to going in the right direction it's taken a little while to get there but we're heading in the right direction ction so thank you for all your hard work y you're welcome all right thanks okay I'm going to open up the public meeting if you want to come up and talk talk to us come on up and give us your name address and try to keep it to three I'm Tom scrad 2968 Pelican Point Circle and I've lived in Mound for about eight years and I keep track of my property value and my taxes and my tax taxes have gone up in 8 years 125% and uh my taxes according to My Han County statement this year actual compared to the plan goes up 25% not 6% 25% so it's hard to uh you know living on fixed income I just want you to know it's been hard to do this and still live here so so thanks for listening thank you have have you looked specifically at where all the taxes are happening for the property increase because most of it isn't Mound well it right most of it isn't but Mounds is 25% not 6% I can speak to that for just a second I think to your point so like we had this dollar bill graphic it was like here's your property taxes for like your statement that you get yeah and I think so you have state city county and schools yep and the I think last year the city portion or mounted was like 18% of our property tax bill was the city 40% was like the schools so the 20% of our property all of our property tax bills that is the city of Mound is like probably about 20% of your overall you know so so that 20% that is the city of Mound is what's going up 6% if that makes I think his actual St his statement went up 25 so I I get on the city alone yeah okay my My overall tax was about 16% this year to next year the whole statement the whole thing yeah the Hanah schools and Hanahan County and everything and uh in the mound part was 25% so so one thing you can do which I've been doing for or I've had other people reach out is um I can look up yours property individually I don't know if you called me I know there was some other people on Pelican that did and I sent them an email explaining a little bit more how that number why the numbers are why our number is six and why yours is 25 and again would be nice to know yeah and um I I think I have a card I can give you um but it's unfortunately it's it's a kind of a complicated balance between um you know like I said the your valuation probably increased sure the valuation goes up I I get that yeah and then also a shift in the the new law with homes of value but if I give you my card I think if you reach out to me I can explain that a little bit more come get one now behind yeah um there also is a special law for those over 65 where you can get your taxes deferred and you only pay3 % of whatever your income is but you have to weigh how how you feel about the deferment because basically the deferment upon your death or moving out of the property would have to be repaid so if you were leaving your property to heirs they would get stuck with paying the Deferred taxes but it is it is a vehicle and a lot of seniors use it um to reduce their taxes okay thank you Sher one last thing too um I'll connect with the county commissioner too and you know nothing nothing's probably going to happen this year obviously but um we have two actually and we have meetings randomly or a couple times a year but um I mean that's something that they got to know that you know how they're valuing things affects us right like unfortunately we don't have a lot of say on that part of it I know that but yeah I'll relay that out to our two Commissioners so okay thank you Jason yeah thanks thank you thank you all right come on up and give us your name and address Joe palac 2988 Pelican Point Circle neighbors with Tom and yeah I the information tonight's been tremendously helpful and grateful for that information my issue is specifically related to the estimate the summer that I got mound's average was going to be 6% mine's 25 and my my concern is related not just for now my concern is for next year and the year after and how are we going to be able to continue to live here and is is it realistic or not and how yeah my my concern is is next year and Beyond and how what's being done to help manage this one of the things that I've know has seen before too sometimes there's caps in increases as far as far as that it's and it's teered in there over time going forward was that something that was considered is it something that's considered going forward 25% is just it's just crazy right and do we know this comes from the county right or does the state have rules that go down to the county they work together okay so it's the county I I don't I don't does the state pass laws though that the county has to buy by yeah how they evaluate so again not to Total punt this but um I know this last election season season was all about affordability remember that was the big word right I mean obviously that's not you know your statement's a lot different than maybe you know mine or probably all of ours really um you have a beautiful neighborhood absolutely I love it I totally agree um I love it but yes it's that's tough when you get a 25% on just our portion alone that's I I agree so um again for the future again I'm going to pass that I know representative Myers uh we have a new senator now um col Coleman no what's your name Joe sorry she's an Johnson Stewart um so she's an engineer I know an Johnson person so well and I reached and did I did iend the people that information but having your card would be great so yeah she'll get you the information yes it's helpful but it's it's still still doesn't help 6% to 25% just my yeah so again we'll pass that along to hopefully the other people that can make a difference doing that so that be great yeah thanks very much appreciate it thank you right can you give us your name and address I'm Chester yanuk I live at 5525 bartl Boulevard about a mile from here nice um I bought my house an old house 40 years old and renovated to accommodate my handicapped wife's situation I've lived in the Mountain Community for over 45 years and once I finished the renovation and it worked very well uh the house is not identifiable to the house that should have been torn down the the tax assessment went from $6,000 to $112,000 in the last four years it went from 12,000 to $199,800 and or 26.4% in valuation this 2025 it's getting unaffordable I'm 80 years old and I'm retired and I love the mound Community we moved close to get to church and all that uh something's got to be done to help you know residents in this community um the mound tax portion of the total 19,000 is a little over 30% very unlike what I've heard tonight I just wanted to say that to some people because I have gone to the hennipen county Mount assess he saids well everything is going up okay and he went up this year $4,000 $598 I mean come on you know sympathize with us a little we love it here we'll live here as long as we can yeah basically why it came here well I appreciate it thank you thank you thank you can we Maggie can we get some of the statements so I can pass that along to who I just talked about yes so when you reach out to these people just have them maybe make a copy and send it to us yes so I'd like to pass that along and show specific examples okay you can block out their name and stuff or name and address well if you want to drop one off at City Hall I'd love to see uh I can look it up pretty easy or you can you can Brint them out yeah okay I'd like to give examples to to them so okay okay uh any other no okay all right so let's go back to a action on resolution adopting the 2025 fee schedule does anybody have any questions on that want to talk about that if not um if someone wants to make a resolution go ahead um I would like to make a resolution and remember we got to add the water c um okay so I'd like to make a resolution on agenda item 8A adopting the 2025 fee schedule with the I of the water craft rental license line item yeah and as a permanent addition to the fee SCH yeah that should be enough and that's enough direction for staff good all right got a motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I oppos all right everybody said I I okay uh that passed okay now B we got approved resolution approving the 2025 general fund budget in the amount of 6,910 382 setting the final Lev at 8,208 694 and approval of the final overall budget for 2025 um does anybody want to talk about that quick I don't have anything um directly to to that but before we move on from um budget items I just wanted to ask to do we have like future communications coming up or our next newsletter is it too late to add um like the graphics kind of of the property tax bill make up to yeah we could when we do that it'll probably be up the average value right Noah so it'll reflect the average value home for the city of Mound so it could create a visual but I we would have to note that it was it's based on that but I know the the folks that spoke tonight understand that but it's a good refresher I don't know even just for when you see it yeah it's like oh yeah you know it's not all Mound you know we the we'll be working on the newsletter I think it'll go up at early Fab uh it'll go out um it has to be done mid January and goes out right before February okay um you just said all this but just want to say it a couple times again um you remember we lost our local government Aid we're getting 42,000 in 2020 then it went down to 313 313 2023 is 168 we got uh 74,000 this year zero next year so again I am working with other elected people to see if we can get back on that list but again they calculate that at the state it doesn't look good right now but again we're we're pushing our uh we we got Public Safety money last year was that 400 something yeah 470 450 450,000 something like that a lot of money um again that was a onetime deal that was just you know from the state but that you know went to turnout gear and and um you know a lot of fire type stuff so but again we're not getting that this year um our water fund is 4 A5 million in the whole well is it more now um I think by the end of the year it'll be a little higher that's a good estimate okay around four and a half million in the whole again part of why we we're doing this long-term financial plan is to let's try to rectify it and eventually you know by 2030 is get out of the hole um the we had 40-year inflation I mean that was four last time inflation was this bad um we did you know obviously a little bit higher last year um but if you look at all the previous years I mean we do TR really try to keep it pretty low for you know just covering kind of costs and stuff um on the positive side we did get the assessor money of 142,000 that we're not going to have to pay out of our pocket anymore so that's good um and again just on the finan committee you know we spent a lot of time um you know with the help of you guys obviously uh making sure that we're you know we have a game plan to kind of get out of where we're at right now you know I think that we I think we we can pride ourselves in that we did do the due diligence work on getting a good budget and working ourselves out of debt what we didn't do is we didn't look at who lives here we didn't look at the demographics and the income of people live here and you know sort of vaguely everyone says well close to 50% of our residents are over 55 that means they're all on fixed income I'm one of them you know and so so this good plan that we did which we can be proud of didn't really take into consideration the implications on people who've owned homes for 30 and 40 years getting these increases that they've spoken about tonight and how do we resolve that so I think as we move forward and look to Solutions and suggestions we need to be looking at how do we match up our our our duty as you know elected officials of a city to retire debt and get the city steady but what is Our obligation to our residents given their you know their long tenure in our community and income situations so yeah going forward we're you know assuming your on that next year we'll definitely well all of us can work on it yeah you work on to yeah I mean if I said we need an economic development plan we need to figure out some way to generate economic development in this town to take some of the tax burden off of homeowners um the other thing just looking at you know I I brought my own bill that I got but um there's what 45 cities in henpen County if I counted right um 35 out of 45 have a higher increase and again I'm not talking about your 25% but I'm talking the 6% that we're looking at tonight um 35 out of 45 has have a higher number and 18% or 18 cities out of 45 had a double digit increase so you know again we're sticking to six you know our our neighbors around the corner did double digits I mean we're the finance committee we said let's let's do what we have to do let's follow the plan you know let's but let's also not suck it to I mean I'm looking at some of these numbers I'm like holy cow Greenfield 22% right um you know everybody got mailed this kind of like us in population size too well and again a little smaller but everybody got mailed this so you can kind of look through it but yeah I mean I think I think we did a pretty good job staying well for first of all sticking to the plan but also yeah you know staying as low as we can I'm not debating that I'm saying I think we agreed to that I'm just saying that we didn't look at the other side of that which are the residents and where they're at yeah and again I'm going to try to work more with what's that answer and how do we get again if it's more of a county thing or or if it's coming down from the state we need to figure out where you know where it's coming from because again we just kind of get handed this you know we work on our portion of it but it and we don't control factors because I mean I know in my situation my taxes went up and then my insurance doubled and I had to call my insurance company and say what the heck right you know and a lot of people have experienced it I know in the condominium associations their homeownership association fees Pelican um Garden is probably facing this too the insurance went up and so that's impacted their HOA fees as well so there's a lot lot of other things that are happening even now we're trying to do our part you know we still have to think about how can we um provide some relief or some new Direction so we definitely look at that part of the plan too was to get you know to get the water fund out of debt and to get the sewer fund fund sewer fund funded and then off of the tax levy and then you know regardless of age and that stuff too is avoid voiding the hiccups of the levy just going like 22% 4% 15 you know it's like a you know it's the plan looks looks good it looks good yeah and just so you know out of 45 nobody has zero or negative as well so cold comfort well yeah so again I we're sticking to the plan we got a good you know a good way out of this you know was it 2030 right we're looking pretty darn good so you know assuming we keep to this plan for the next few years and adjust a little bit along the way you I think and again it's up you know we did the hard work unfortunately um but here we are so anybody else have any comments on that okay so I'll take a motion to approve C the the resolution or sorry B um it's on page 3201 a motion uh of a resolution approving the 2025 final general fund budget in the amount of 6,910 382 setting the final level Levy at 8 million 208 and approving the final final overall budget for 2025 all right you got a motion can I get a second second okay any other to discuss all those in favor please say I I those oppose all right that passes okay now see we do we want to talk about this Maggie quick or um so this is this resolution is also in line with the preliminary Levy so this is the H Levy that helps cover the cost of the debt issuance for the parking ramp and uh um yeah so we're just recommending that it stays the same as a preliminary budget all right so does anybody want to talk about that at all okay so let's on page 3206 if someone wants to make a resolution for that um did anybody have anything else or is it okay um I would like to make a res a motion approving a resolution uh for the 2025 HRA Levy in the amount of 250,000 for the purpose of defraying the costs of operation pursuant to the provisions of MSA for 69 of the HRA and for the city of mountain for the year 2025 all right got a motion can I get a second second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos all right that passes thanks again Maggie all all you guys thank you uh number nine we got except 2025 lift station feasibility study and authoriz authorize final plans and specifications thank you mayor members of the council Matt Balman city engineer um so for before you tonight we have the feasibility study for the 2025 lift station which is located at the corner of existing one is located at the corner of Dove um Lane in woodlon Road um yeah so we've background on the lift stations and the capital Improvement PL so we've started replacing them back in 2007 this year we replaced the one at on Sunset and it's mostly done so that's the reason for the aset risk on the 26 one so there's a lot of parts that go to these and some of them take longer to get than than we would hope for um so lift stations are an integral part to the the sewer system um obviously everything rolls downhill we got to push it uphill so we can keep getting pushing down the line um and yeah so for the next four years we we have budgeted to replace to replace or rehabilitate one of the last four lift stations this would be number 27 the goal um yeah go the next slide there Jesse so existing station now is at the the southeast corner of woodlon and Dove it is an easement of a homeowner's property it's it's a fairly tight site right now and so we're our goal was to look for a better spot to put it for this uh so the the cost that we reviewed and pulled together so we replaced the underground structure we for this one we are also going to plan to replace the Force main likely Pipers it again we put get new pumps the city will purchase those U new control panel um scada which is the communication piece between the station itself and the guys back at the shop um and then a g natural gas backup generator which is very handy espe three points power kind of is a little iffy out there um we also do some site cleanups and we're going to relocate the station I'll show you in the next slide from from where it is to a little bit F farther south so the costs that we anticipate so estimated construction cost is just over 600,000 engineering is about 150,000 and then City purchased items so again the the panel the pumps the generator about 121,000 so in the yellow this is our um kind of project area so again the stations here right now are feasibility we landed up we're going to put it on City owned property down here about a block South and then we will need to replace the sewer main going here get it going the other direction and then we'll replace the Force main or install new Force main going up Dove and then pipe burst it along Woodland and out to where it goes on PCH we did review going the other direction but with the lake um there and then some of the heights of the the other things we tie into just it doesn't work so all right so next steps would be to accept the report and authorize us to move in final design plans and specifications and then go up for bids if uh during that the final design piece we come back to you and let you know if the if the costs are looking like they're increasing more than we anticipate otherwise if they're in line with the CIP then we would continue on and get that out for bit as quickly as we can so we can get uh get all those long order pieces on schedule so the rest of the schedule here tonight hopefully you approve the study and move forward with plans and specs March ideally we opening bids April we award the contract um and then sometime summer late summer we we start a construction and uh our goal would be to to wrap one up within the the season we started next year so does that mean Dove and Woodland Road would both be out of commission for a good part of the summer they it would generally be usable but yeah we would have to close wood laon mostly Dove would um well we'll have to kind of figure out the exact staging of where all the the parts go the abandonment of the old station isn't uh isn't all that extensive it's a it's more of the installing the new one so dove will be have the most going on and likely be closed for a while y I understand there's like the benefit of moving the lift station to the city owned property too and all of that but like how much so we have to pay for the study to to do that I'm just like making this little mental pros and cons list like so replacing the lift station and just leaving it there they're um there's really no room to to do it there so okay yeah I'll just a little more background so the existing lift station is a metal can structure and so those are prone to rotting out and then we get a lot of INF flow and infiltration groundwater kind of seeping up into those and so we installed um brand new concrete structures in a different spot that allows the existing one to keep working while we while we do all this other work okay and I forgot that yeah that phasing of it is important to find a new location of it and I think Brian explained to us last time like I forgot about that component so thanks for bringing that up was that it was way more expensive to like rent the pumping equipment and yeah and then a lot more potential headache if something goes wrong okay thanks all right do coun any other questions all right we got on page 3245 got a resolution someone wants to make a motion for that a motion for a resolution receiving report and authorizing preparation of plans and specifications and ordering advertisement for bids for the 2025 licitation improvements project all right got a motion can I get a second second okay any other discussion all those in favor please say I I hi those oppos all right thanks thank you thanks all right number 10 uh fire partnership res support resolution so we had a workshop uh two weeks ago and talked about um this subject and so at the end of it I think most of us were on on board uh with providing a resolution um as we keep going down the road here um you know with what we do you know I'll try to keep the council up up to date with you know what's happening uh we had a fire meeting today um and we uh had two other Chiefs from two other cities one that they don't have a partnership and then one that they do and um just kind of interesting to kind of hear you know what their thoughts were too um at the end of the day you know they're saying this is the way you know that buyer's going is that you're going to have to team up with other cities you know reduce costs expenses don't have two ladder trucks you know it's it's all that but our issue is obviously some of that but it's also um you know Minista is you know a big part of our contract and they're growing a lot and um you know we we need to be able to keep providing them uh you know fire support as well now if we keep doing the contract model and they decide not to you know renew with us and then they do a deal with st Bonnie down the road that's going to be you know kind of a negative for us long term as one aspect to this whole thing um there's just so many positives uh again we heard this in our meeting what we're doing here right now is just saying that we're still interested in coming to the table this isn't like a final vot on we're in that'll come later um but this is again an expression of interest that hey we're still going to you know come to the table and and try to work through this so I don't if anybody else has any other questions on that so it's just like a resolution of current support of what you guys have been working on yeah um should there be included in this you know in our meeting we talked about some trying to protect the mound fire perception and name should that be included somewhere in this so we don't lose yes track of that in the final when we actually when this comes back like as a final product and then we actually vote on it that will be in there for sure I just don't want to lose track of it along the way even if we're showing General support for this right I think that should be included um I mean I guess we could add it um yeah I think it'd be nice to add a sentence it just says something like you know Mound has for over a 100 years had its own strong and vital and and sustainable fire department and to make it really strong and um you know that we continue even in this joint Powers situation to bring that to the table because we're bringing the most to the table in this anyway at this point we are so no matter what we're going to keep the name right yeah now it might be Mountain Fire Department part of the like Menon West Lake minetonka you know fire service or whatever we want to call it right um but you know you've been to a few meetings right we are not giving up our name it's not going to happen so and I won't vote on the final thing if that's in there it's not even going to get to us because it's we're going to walk away before that ever happened and no one else wants that to have happen either uh the the new mayor elect for St Bonnie showed up so that was interesting to kind of hear didn't talk a lot but you know interesting to hear kind of his because he'll be you know him and this his council is going to have to vote on this next year um so we um they're kind of the same way I think they're less worried about when I say less we're 110 they might be 109 but but but they're less probably you know on that than we are but you know at the end of the day we want to keep St Bonnie we want to keep M keep those two names but we are the again West minona H County whatever we're want to call ourselves and again that'll be part of the final process as well I really want to make sure that we give the firefighters really a lot of the final say on that like what do you guys want to be called You're guys you're doing it we're not doing it so um and they want to be part of the process I mean they are there was uh three yeah three firefighters obviously the chief and then um and yep so they were all there um a lot of the St Bonnie firefighters don't kind of show up as much because they're all working right when we have these meetings but right A lot of them are more full-time jobs elsewhere but um yeah I mean it's a room of what 20 people probably 15 20 people that we get in and uh so again this is this is only just saying we're still interested we still want to come to the table we you know at the end of the day for for me for sure the numbers better work out than you know than the the end product it has to be really good before I we even bring it back to you guys to to vote on otherwise we're not you know we're going to walk away so and you're right I mean we're we're the kind of the biggest player of this whole thing we are the biggest player yeah so um yeah so again we we heard from one that just joined so they cover five cities so it's two two you know old cities that got together and formed their own you know their own um but then we also heard one that was uh they were paid on call and then they went to more Duty Crew and kind of PID call um and that was interesting to kind of hear that this whole pay on call nobody wants to volunteer to be a firefighter anymore um right so you know you hear you know in the back in the day was like if you're not here in 20 years you don't get a pension right 19 and 364 you were just worked 19 years for no pension right 20 years now we've had to adjust it to 10 to say hey thanks for coming right um to even get people to come in the door right and so a lot of this is really future forecasting what we're trying to do um how can we be you know viable for long-term like our numbers are great we're great we're not from a weak point we're coming from a strong point and that's let's do this while we're strong now again who brought this up the chief brought this to us so this isn't me or you or you know we didn't come up with this idea this is and this has been talked about for 10 20 years probably so um again this is showing support of me and then whoever's on fire next year to keep going to those meetings and come up with a final product to bring back to us um let's just say everything works out um six to 8 months before we'd actually vote like a final vote on that um I don't want to go through this and then all of a sudden you know six months we put all this I put a lot of time in this stuff if if you guys are just like hey this isn't you know like again the the the comment with the the name please let's talk now let's let's get that out because I want to and we'll we'll talk about this more when I go to the meetings and I can kind of relay our you know our needs but I think I kind of know what we want but let's talk about it's important you know one of the things about Mountain um you know we're we're a community that has a lot of Pride but we don't shout it a lot and um we lost our high school it was Mound High School and and now you know I go on a tour with the mayor of Minista and all she can talk about is that it's their school and I'm going their school it was right downtown here on that corner right you know um well now we're losing the name out of it all together it's going to be West Tonka right yeah so we we've got a you know this West Tonka thing wipes away history and I think we just have to start standing firm well it ju to go on that I I I got an email from a resident and said you know were you approached about changing the school district name and I said no and I don't know if any of you guys were approached but um changing the school district the name oh from M Mount wanka oh no so yeah I wasn't I wasn't KN you asked me so see minist is going for that I think yeah well anyway so any other thoughts on the this we can just tell menist that there is subur Mound we're the central business district all right any other okay all right so we got a resolution on page 3246 someone wants to make a motion for that I can do that I'll do it uh I'd like to make a resolution supporting the formation of a fire joint Powers agreement between the cities of Minista mount St Bonnie shwood and Spring Park uh we got a motion can I get a second second okay any other discussion all those in favor please say I I those oppose all right that passes okay so now we're going to go into close session uh city manager review so we're going to go back in the conference room um you to say something well before I'll just say that what we're looking for is is a motion from the council to convene into a Clos session under Minnesota statute section 13 d05 for the city manager review okay so that's my motion can I get a second second okay any other discussion all those in favor please say I I those oppos all right that passed we're going to be back in a little bit all right we're back from our Clos session for our city manager review um let say anything about it or no uh no we this the next meeting you need to have a little summary but okay our next meeting we'll have a summary on that uh number 12 we got comments and reports from Council Members council member Pew okay so I did my tour of the new city hall building and there is no extra room where is this in the city hall building you kept saying there's all this room there is a big room which we can use for counsil yeah but U there are lots of bathrooms there are some challenges with stairways because some stairways you can go up and across and down so there's going to be a lot of doors that have to have locks rooms that might have been considered U vacant space are really used for storage and so I think that there's a lot more to be considered about what's available there and I remember last time someone said oh there's lots of parking there is no parking the only parking is the parking on the front of the building so um and here you know I think that I don't know if the rest you've gone over and look but people should go and look and walk through the building and see there really is no extra space other than the meeting room and um potentially if the joint pow thing goes on with the fire the fire department may need to take up more space than it would be less because we'd have a a station in between St Bonnie and here well when I it's actually in the it's actually in the contract that we will Design One eventually so anyway so anyway so there there really is um limited space there the um other thing was that what else did I do I did something else I forgot can't see my notes went on the tour um oh I I went to the glasby board meeting and you know they had their their annual Retreat um not Retreat um what do you call it um Boutique this week and they seem to be really moving in a positive way getting more money in they've got cash flow Ronda is really doing an excellent job in terms of programs and stuff they still um seem to have this desire to have the local governments support them but um you know I think that you know they kind of look at the they always say well all the other cities are supported but the other cities that their senior centers don't have buildings and the senior programs are operated in City buildings and that's the difference um so they're moving forward and everything I had something else but I can't oh I know my other thing was that I just wanted to put out on the agenda and I mentioned it earlier that when we do the work plan for 2025 that we look at some sort of ordinance or licensing on the rental properties um so that we can have a little bit more um eye on potentially negligence of of um landlords in terms of being um you know harming our residents stuff so I just saw J Jesse you wrote that down for our worksite okay okay all right all right here ready for your last one I have nothing to say you got to say something after six years I'm speechless I've said it on speechless all right council member mcky well I'll say Paula it's been a pleasure uh Mound has been a wonderful in great hands with you on the council for the last six years thank you and thank you for all of your you know it's it's a huge time commitment for everybody that's on the council and six years is a long time so we appreciate everything you've done and all the pots you've stirred and you know all the good that you brought to Mound so thank you Paula thank you you'll be missed we'll see and that's all I've got and Merry Christmas to everybody this is our last and I I want to tell you I'm goingon to miss not going to get ice cream after council meeting with you we used to do that don't tell no it wasn't a um what violation of the open meeting two of yeah we just two us we just went and get ice cream that's we we go and have ice cream since whenever the meeting is done that early when they ever done that sometimes we didn't make it yeah yeah sometimes we didn't make it that's true all right coun calano um I don't have anything I'll second what council member mechani said Thank You Paula um but I don't I don't have anything else to add right um and yeah I don't have much be on again thank you six years that's it's a long time it's uh yeah and it's not an easy job it's all of us now yeah thanks for being my number two what do they call you're welcome mayor Deputy Mayor Pro Deputy Mayor whatever yeah anyway thank you I know you filled them one time for me oh yeah yeah and it was the fastest meeting the shortest I it was yeah yeah um yeah thank you again and we're going to um in February we'll celebrate more um we're going to think about doing something tonight but we thought we'd better keep a tradition of doing it at the February meeting so that's good try to Cal to that if you're not in Texas or Florida yeah we going to we're battling up north again so lots of stuff on the we know where to find you yeah all right uh number 13 we got information miscellaneous staff have anything they want to talk about uh I have one thing um so as you know the the holidays are coming up I obviously it's my first time being here for the holidays um and the City of Mound gives a half day vacation for Christmas Eve and then um requires some sort of form of PTO for the other half I was coming here tonight the last Mee of the Year seeing if the council will be open to just making that a full day of of holiday and then um going into next year amending the the admin code to reflect that which that's for next year but for this year that was sort of the request to kind of jump off so I won't be offended either way but I figured it the last chance to float it okay so everybody understands the request so basically half day we're we're paying the other half anyway so a half day additional so we're just get give staff a half day and how many how many staff are we talking well anybody that's uh it would be anybody that would be working that day would that uh would be subject to the half day holiday so was probably everybody but how many is everybody are you talking like public works and everybody or yeah be the any full-timers really um 25 yeah I mean it's I guess think throwing in public works too yeah so I mean yeah it' be the city but I they abmin code applies to everybody so it really it has to be Universal so either way uh because juneth isn't in our MN code yet either so we do need to go in and reflect it so I'm sort of setting the table here that regardless we need to get in there uh going forward but um just mentioning it now that you at the end of the last meeting of the year so so so if we give them a half day um I mean let's just say for Public Works they still got a if we have a snowstorm they're still G but they would get a paid half day right well regardless on any holiday call-ins are still going to be that uh I think it's two and a half um whatever the Union contract says so those that won't change no matter how this conversation goes so even if you were working on the holiday as soon as that half day is over you're now subject to to uh holiday rules for as far as colins go but the net ask is really like to provide like an additional half day so they get the full day right yeah basically already doing a half of it right to just treat Christmas Eve as a holiday basically I'm on board I would say I am on board probably for next year I think for this year I would be I kind of want to see the numbers like what is this equal in total for we just did our budget and talked about all that so I mean we're kind of right two weeks before Christmas not to be B hug but um believe me I I I only brought it up because it just came up today in the office uh as far as how we plan for it and then I thought oh well you know keep making notes on Personnel policies and admin code things because you you kind of get complacent until you issue comes up and then there are reacting so I think to make it an informed decision I think we should maybe come back with us and or at least let's bring it to the finance committee and see does this for next year yeah yeah but do it for next year I think we're probably going to be fine with it but I mean that's where I would be unless you guys feel differently I don't know I mean you know this has no reflection on how hard you work but you guys have so many days off it's crazy so you know at our company everybody works half a day you know it's like if they want to take it off they take the whole day off I I'd want to look at the numbers too to be honest you know when I'm thinking just four of you you know and suddenly it's like 25 people yeah I'd like to I'd like to look at the numbers too there's other ways to get there too you can move um how about how about you trade juneth for the full uh you know what I'm saying maybe we can do a little shuffling around I was going to say there's other ways to do that like we at my work we did um it was like Good Friday versus Christmas Eve they kind of like moved stuff around so there was no net additional time off it was just in a different spot yeah so we could just look at that I I'd like to I think that's a good I I think getting there one way yeah or another is is just um be appreciated just because um this year is a little different being that it's the middle of the week you know I don't couple people I think are gone most of the week but I think pretty much everybody's kind of around but you know when you start getting into those like if it's Christmas Eve's like a Monday you know yeah it's there's probably a way to get there but it's you you can Shuffle stuff around too it doesn't have to be an addition to so I guess this is this is probably more of a Personnel thing first right and I think to make an informed decision it would be great to see the amount of employees involved in the numbers from that day if we end up paying for another half a day I I'd like to see that all right sure and on that note Magie I was looking at the calendar today and it still says that there's a um council meeting on the 24th okay I'll go on the website it probably didn't get it probably generates that automatically but yeah maybe just take that off because I had to second look and go God we don't really do so all right I I know two of us are you on the same page with this or yes okay for next year okay all right so just come up with a plan maybe you want to run it by the Personnel committee first sure and then we'll tell you what we think yeah and we'll likely just wrap it into whatever ends up uh being an update to our admin code so but I'll they'll come to you first yeah just let us know so we can steer you on the right road if you like it or not so okay um any other else that want to talk about all right I'll take a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn okay and a second second okay any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos all right we're adjourn