##VIDEO ID:Jz5g1MBwJzU## supposed to stay to 22 was in was from my school also and I know that I was told in regards to well at least my school when I was at the SLT meeting that there were not a lot of buses for the kids who stood um to 22 years old but like I told them the district was handling it that they had gotten erase out of the system because they were supposed to have graduated and they chose to stay an extra year so they had gotten erased out the system by mistake actually because of that but I know Kettler um has spoke at um at Aral general meeting about this council meeting and he stated that they was taking care of the issue uh for that I know in my school the issue has gotten better but it's not completely fixed at my school I don't know about everywhere else [Music] if our parents do hear of any other issues with children um who are in need of busing who are over the age of 21 I know a lot of principles are in the process of correcting that manually so please do um let our Council know let the busing committee know and um we will try to assist you at as best as we can the last issue before we go uh excuse me last topic before we go into any additional questions that parents may have um in our last meeting co-president Daniels uh parents wanted to know about Medicaid transportation and medical answering service did you want to go over that briefly so that those who may not know um what is available they can okay one moment go over that so what I was talking about at my last busting committee meeting when I did this in August um a lot of parents don't know about medical transportation and that's through the ma the masas people called um medical answerman service that's the agency on where the transportation gets approved medical the medical let me just read to you what the medical transportation program is the Medicaid transportation program ensures Medicaid members can get to and from their medical appointments at no cost to them non-emergency transportation such as pre-scheduled trips to Primary Care and to the dentist are provided so any kind of basically any kind of doctor you see they provide you with this um Medical Transportation eligibility though the El to be eligible you must fill out a medical justification form and have your medical practitioner complete the Mas Transportation application you can you can your care coordinator if you have one can assist with this step as well if you have a care coordinator if it's not for yourself it could even be for your child um but um anybody could get medical transportation basically if you have Medicaid and you have to go to multiple appointments you know to take care of your health which which that's something good that we should do yes Miss Andrea it's called the Mas 2015 form that is the actual name of the form Miss Andrea is correct Belinda bnet Andrea she said she has that I have medical transportation myself for myself and for my daughter we have it separately well of course my daughter had it first but then I ended up getting it for me when I had to go to um occupational therapy back when I had my um my surgery for comp and tunnel and both of my hands about two years ago so now I got Medical Transportation too and it has to be renewed every year that's the other thing every year it has to be renewed once a year by your doctor and you could choose um whatever vendor you want and long as that person accepts me Medical Transportation because not everybody might accept that but a lot of um vendors do accept medical transportation Medicaid transportation and I I just think that we all need that if we have for those who have Medicaid I think everyone should try their best to apply because one day we may not have the service no more like in like a lot of things if you don't use it or a lot of people don't use it or apply then then this this service may be lost one day and we don't want that when PE when people could use it especially the students and parents within our community in District 75 thank you need a letter of medical necessity a LMN a a letter of medical necessity a written explanation from a physician that describes the medical need for services equipment or supplies a nurse practitioner a psychiatrist psychologist occupational therapy as I just said that's when I had got mine when I went to occupational therapy and physical therapy for myself in my case and or a chiropractor may also write a violent m l MN so you have to have some type of um some type of NE you know kind of like a need for it like if you see a psychiatrist you see a social worker you see a PCP you see um nurse practitioner occupational therapy which a lot of our parents probably do go to this or physical therapy and chiropractor we start having things wrong with our bones like Miss Andrea said she has like two fractures right now I have a fracture myself my my nose is fractured that's why I'm not on camera tonight CU I'm healing from that I have a fracture nose right now so um that's what's going on with me but don't but I really think that we need to all try to apply for that medical transportation if you have access to ride okay we could talk about access to ride too because I know about that too Miss Andrea Miss Andrea um hold on we have a parent by the name of Miss Andrea she has my name too so um Belinda baret Andrea she says let me read the chat there's a couple things in chat so Mas form has to be done annually which I stated the name of the form is Mas 2015 form and she said she has that Miss um Belinda Barett Andrea she said she used a gate vendor many to choose from that's the vend that she uses called a gate she said she requests a large cab when needed my son is tall and large yes you could also request of a certain size car that is correct heal first gives you 28 rides a year so that's something I did not know so that's new information to me about the health first part so thank you for that Miss um Belinda bnet Andrea and the last thing she said was access gives a metro card for the child and the parent for the Bus and Train yeah I believe now that's the anomy card now um or it will trans transform into the homy card which is another problem we've been having in our school system even though it's not on the agenda I know a lot of parents was complaining about the anomy card the student card that a lot of kids did not get it yet and even when they got it some of them already lost it also it's made on really cheap like it's paper thin and it could get destroyed easily if it's not a laminated I was told um a lot of students probably still didn't get the anomy card but I know one thing there is a petition also going around about the anomy card because they feel that all the kids with special needs because all the children mostly ride the school bus or or ride sheare also in some cases um that we're not eligible for the that our kids are not eligible for the Metro Car even though that Metro Car is for apparently is for the whole entire year with four rides a day 365 days a year and it covers like the whole year like even if your child is not in summer school it will still cover them like how is that fair to everyone else who can't get the car um and they child rides a bus because everybody TR child is not travel train and even if they are travel train everybody lives in um for different distances from the school some people take two three bus to get the school trains or whatever it's not always one bus or train depending on where the child or student live at so that's another thing so the aomy card is going to situation is going to be an ongoing problem just kind of like the ride sh and the reimbursement that a lot of people did not receive um I know also there will be after school programs this year and already being told there will not be no busted for after school programs again probably du probably due to contract issues I guess again with the bus companies or whatever is going on but there would be no after school bus and even for after school programs I found that out and I've been dealing with that myself firsthand for the last two years where I've been taking my child back in um picking her up from after school and and actually taking a Uber or train or a bus depending on what type of money I had at the time to get her home from the school because there was no busing for after school program however she still wanted to attend so I didn't want to hinder her from attending so I still took her to the after school program for two years on my own dime I never got reimbursed either for that none of us got reimbursed who who may have done that as well and that's a different type of reimbursement than the total reimbursement for not having a bus and using R sh which is something slightly different yes um I would take a your hand is up Sasha Amory I think it is I'm saying that yes that's ha Amory um so I was invited to this committee I I went to the to um um the welcome back um District 75 even in the Bronx and I was speaking with a couple of your members and and they invited me here um to discuss a little bit about after school busing I know there was a conversation with catler last week and I think that's what you were speaking of right Miss Daniels um yes yeah um and so um I I'm here representing ahrc New York City along with Kate Hoy um I'm the director for camping and Recreation programs and we had about eight after school programs that we literally had to shut down because of opt um um that they're not providing transportation and um um and Kate and I along with a couple of our colleagues in the agency Kate was able to get in contact with the controller's office and okay correct me if I'm wrong and and interject if you like um um we're meeting we're planting to meet with the controller's office and some of the reasons um of after school busing Is Not What It Seems I guess um so I think there's there's a leeway in which we can you know get that back um you know like um you know I I I mentioned that we have a after school programs just at at HRC alone that affected hundreds of families when we closed down um one of my former uh um colleagues that I used to work at a Dap Community Network they also had five after school programs that they had to shut down because of opt um so you know this is like hundreds and hundreds of families that's been affected um and we plan on speaking at the city council as well um on you know what are the next steps and how can they support us um as well well um K would you mind kind of sharing a little bit about the plans with the controller yeah if it's okay and I think one of our questions also today is could we put it on the agenda for another meeting if if you Council chairs are are interested because um my program is funded by opwdd I'm an education Advocate and I work with families majority are district 75 families um who have been going through what Miss Daniels was describing and so many of you have experienced in terms of inequity with after school transportation that Sasha was meaning just to watch these programs close and to see the opportunities for youth with disabilities disappear is um it's it's happening not because you know you're you're doing tremendous work to continue to uplift the issue um but we just wonder how we can help um so we're gonna we're going to talk to the com controller's office we don't know yet we don't we know it's not in their minds right it's not Kettler knows you've been ready raising the issue we want to join with you in that just to try to restore some of the um funding or put more pressure on the doe to fund the programs because we understand it's not the union it's um the vendors and um and opt and the busing that went away you know after covid but these programs have had to close because there was no Transportation so it's we understand it's not on the agenda we are going to talk to the controller's office and let them know about some of the after school the lack of after school options because of the busing and then the city council hearing is on Monday for transportation on pupil trans sorry testimony on Pupil Transportation if anyone here is interested or planning to do that we look forward to seeing you there um we just want to let you know we're there in solidarity with you but youth disabilities are just being sorely underserved and the [Music] doe anyway it's all due to Transportation sorry sorry I I know it's not on the agenda but if we could I agree with youe it's sad that the programs had to suffer because of this because there's good programs out there including your organization um and um yeah even the program Jada was in even though was in her school building I still had to pick her up take her you know on my own budget home and stuff it was a lot and um that's why the attendance was very low like even when the program is not closed the attendance is going to be low that's why because they busting absolutely like a busting yeah we need to really fight together to try to put that into the controller's mind I think you said the controller mind to try to see we could do about this busting situation I think first things first um the city council you know talking to your to the to breita Joseph and to members of the committee if you you know if you can't attend on Monday which is understandable um you can submit testimony up to 72 hours after um and just let them know what it has been like for your family that it's an issue at least to put it you know in their ears that youth with disabilities are being isolated totally isolated thank you thank you thank you I'm gonna stop talking and I know it's a parent support meeting too so that's more important than everything but this is something that's these programs are closing and no you know once they close it's it's really hard to get them back even though people like Sacha I think could do it just through sheer force of will but we're you know we were talking earlier today we can get funding we we'll go to city council to to reopen the programs but as you said you just have to have transportation students need to be able to get to program and then home again because parents can't do all that students without disabilities get it our students need it too yeah I think that's I agree so I'm I may not be to make the meeting on Monday because I have a fraction NOS but I could write a testimony because I do sometimes go to public hearings for different stuff so I could definitely write a testimony or something and and speak about that part also and how we lost programs because of lack of after school busing in addition to the other busing issues we already have that was the newest one that last two three years yeah um I'm just going to post my email onto the chat um have if families have any testimonials and you know so that way we could share it with you know when we do meet the control's office um and if you could share it with you know other members who's not here um so that I could coate them and share it with both the controls office and the city council when we do meet with them as well and we've also placed a link to have information um for that city council meeting that'll be coming up um in the chat as well thank you guys for your continued partnership and for your advocacy um as we all work um to help parents with this transportation and busing in these different systems and things that are going on that we lack support in so we're grateful that we do have you know partnership with our community- based organizations and such so thank you so much again for both of you being here yeah thank you for inviting HC in particular because you're one of the reason why I knew how to do my guardianship papers for my daughter because you used to do the training in the 81 school with my parent coordinator Miss Mariam L Luciano yeah between her and you guys I got through Guardians ship with no problem even through go well while we're taking this quick break Let's uh check in with our interpreters in the Spanish and Mandarin rooms to see if we have any parents who have feedback Andor questions do we have any questions on the Mandarin or Spanish lines um I don't here any uh questions from the mening line do we have any questions on the Spanish line if not co-president Daniels you may um move the meeting forward for any other questions under busing I just read in the chat that um one of the parents said they need help with guardianship so you can reach out to me personally because I know about that um since I've been through that process so my email in addition to the council email address is Daniels andrea3 just write the email down I also put in the chat for anyone else who need it Daniels Andrea 3@gmail.com and then for the council is d75 councel at schools.nyc.gov yes doring wise I see your hand up go ahead D good evening good evening yeah I hear you all right I had a question about um the classes that was um being given to the drivers and the matrons and I just want to know how effective are these classes um CA you know I I've been having fairly good um experiences with the buses but sometimes in this quarter the matri you know with the attitudes and stuff like that so I just want to know the effectiveness of the of these meetings and is it follow-up meetings and you know like what to do when you run across something like that I don't really have the answer to that question Christy Angel do you know the answer to that question I'm sorry I heard part I'm sorry I'm multitasking with my son he's a little hurt sorry um did the mom say that when you're having disrespectful matrons and things of that nature what do you do in that yeah correct and I know they've been given courses like you know what what is the followup with that I know they giv courses and I just want to know how far they got with that because I know in my job we have culture and sensitivity courses and I want to know if they have those type of classes because I just feel like some some of them look very frustrated with you know our kids and you know I can see it on their face you know I say good morning they don't say good morning back and it just looks like you know they're they're aggravated or they just frustrated so maybe some more special training or classes for you know because everybody don't know how to deal with a special needs kids and you know the first reaction may be to get annoyed or aggravated even though it's their job but I don't I'm seeing that a lot I'm seeing that a lot when it gets to spaces that are disrespectful and um make you feel like it's in a violation of your child you absolutely should report that to opt you should email the council and give us the information and violation number as well so that we can stand in advocacy with you sometimes some people need to be moved people around move move a different matron move a different route um or some people just need to be spoken with to understand that they're moving in a space that is extremely uncomfortable for our children and our parents but whatever that may look like um at any point you should always file the violation um because they will trickle that down to the busing company and then more can be done after that point but you should never not um report what's happening on the bus okay yeah because I just wanted to know and aside from that too because I do I'm I'm I'm very verbal when it comes to that I will say something um to the company to them personally too not to be confrontational but I I have say something you know to them in the past as well but I've been hearing that they're taking courses so how effective you know because I've only been in um in this particular school for a year how effective are the courses because I never even knew they were taking cour to how is there like special training for these and if it's not how can we move to get the special training for these matrons and bus drivers I can tell you um in all honesty I myself am not very um versed in the trainings that they may have but definitely find out from the district what is going on with OP what these trainings look like um if there's any data on whether it's making any level of improvement if it's very new there may not be any you know data or background on it however we can find out who's using it what's going on what what type of classes are they taking in sensitivity training and if not we definitely can raise our voices so that that can be something that we're saying we need to push this um with our buses with our bus companies so that our children can be transported to school safely and um with respect I agree yeah and I would like to you know when that was coming about I would like to be I can speak up for that as well um because you know sometimes in the past they have left you know they there for a minute or so and sometimes we have you know issues going on when our kids you know they might throw their s on the floor throwing attention whatever and they just very dismissive you know and I just really feel like the special training is need so um you know moving forward I would definitely like to be a part of that because that that's that has to change would we would love that yes sorry co-president Daniels I don't mean to overstep you um could you please put your information in the chat so that we can um continue to move in advocacy with you okay sure thank you very much you're more than welcome we have the Spanish interpreter's hand up I think there's a question yes that's a question um the mom is saying uh my mom from uh q750 is stating that um teach how to change the address from the um because originally where uh her address was in put it wrong and now she has to take the student 50 uh 15 minutes uh walking so she needs to know how is the way to correct the address has she spoken to her schoool aison for travel if not I can tell you what we can do we'll just take it from the space of bringing it to the council could you ask um Mom to email the council at d75 councel at schools.nyc.gov I'll put it back in the chat and then we can uh have a direct call with her and see what we can do to go ahead and push this forward to opt or support on the school level to um make her hole and close out that issue this is something that um should be able to be fixed uh expeditiously I believe the school has to change the address through the ni system or something like that first as I remember because I had to change my address before two when I moved in the Nix account we can work with you on tomorrow to make sure that whatever steps need to be done that are not done um can be done by end of day tomorrow for you uh it should be a quick fix to fix the address so um if you stay in touch with us we'll make sure to reach out to your schools with you and with opt to make sure that um this is accomplished for you did you mention there was a Spanish interpreter's hand up um Co president the one the one that okay yes I'm gonna put it up that was all uh Miss dorwin Wise she raised it again I'm sorry I forgot to take it down I'm sorry okay thank you Andrea you're welcome do we have any additional questions um or concerns some questions and comments and I see one hand up uh j u d h Grand Grand Champs is their name yeah that's Jude Grand Champs I'm sorry Jude Grand Champs um one of the issues on another issue that's coming up on the bus routes is they have big buses picking up kids when they should be having small buses picking them up yes that's definitely opt issue and it's coded um for the mini bus on the IE correct B them up then we can we've had that happen before and we absolutely can assist with that if you email the council we would need the students osis number and then we can move that over to opt to try to get the student changed over to the appropriate bus okay thank you do we have any other question Michelle has her hand up Michelle Hi how are you um I have a question regarding my son's bus service he's in p23 so he's in first grade and he's assign to be picked up in the morning but the bus never shows up or doesn't call and we've opened tickets with opt and everything so two things I would say as I've said with the other people and parents on the call email the council and send us every single violation number that you have that's very important so that when we uplift the issue to opt we can say how many times the parents have called what has been the issues and expedite the fact that we need this fixed um now and normally they do move uh pretty quickly um so if you let us know tonight I can send out a couple of emails on your behalf if we do have if you can send the osis number and the information and the complaint numbers I'll go ahead and either try to get that out tomorrow or co-president Daniels can help me get that out um tomorrow so we can get that ball moving um for you for your son I appreciate that thank you more than welcome I don't see no more hands up but there's some stuff in the chat so I'm just gonna read it um Mr I think it's Mr or Mrs George Cruz they they're they it says they're putting too many routes in one driver and Matrix which is true because I know my daughter on bus has two routes alone we have high school with element school on one route on a Mini Bus in my case and um they was getting the kids to school late for like a week and a half um but they was picking them up on time in the morning and then now they dropping them late in the afternoon that's what's happening currently in my situation anyway but the rest of the comments in the chat someone says hi my son is getting home late from school says there's like 26 or more students on his bus route and then she she says thanks Adriana was her name and then we hearing from the other parent again kid with IEP spending too much time traveling so even though the kid with the IEP spending too much time traveling first all make sure your IEP says limited time travel or on it if it does and they not abiding by that rule because I have that for my daughter's IEP then please don't hesitate to make a report and get your complaint number on that when it comes to that one um the next one blue card needs to be updated with parent coordinator all right we we just put the um the council email in the chat again g75 councel at schools.nyc.gov did you say the blue card co-president Daniels somebody said the blue card needs to be updated with the parent coordinator that was a comment the blue card can actually um it lives digitally on Nixa the New York City student account and you can change and update anything that you would normally put on the blue card on Nixa and it'll automatically be in the school system digitally does everyone in the have a New York City student account are you familiar with the account if we have have n that's on the meeting today okay perfect that is a great place for you to go it's a One-Stop shop um especially for busing and transportation um if you do not have the NX account I will put the information for the website into the chat this is something that you will need to talk to your parent coordinator about there's a specific code that you need to get from your parent coordinator in order to finish setting up your NYX account but you can start um the process and once you're set up everything from their class schedules to their attendance to even voting for your uh Citywide education councils and your Community Education councils everything that you'll want to be a part of and know about your student is attached to your NX account so the next comment um what dorine wise had put her information in the chat so we're reach out to her in regards to the bus and issues is sensitive as special training for drivers and matons we'll reach out to you Dorene thank you uh Belinda B Andrea she said that's true is going to be getting dark soon daylight savings time um the guy that just spoke he had asked what does Oasis stand for Christy Angel already put it that in the chat New York City doe Oasis number is a nine digigit number that is issued to all students who attend a New York City public school the number can be found on your students ID card or transcript another thing this another comment another thing is big buses are too noisy compared to the small buses last year my son with autism is very sensitive I had to put headphones for noise control with too many kids and and one more than 20 he gets home exhausted and then overcrowding is a big issue my son is supposed to be on a limited time run so I I already assume you have that in your IEP so if they not giving you um a buy by that Miss um Belinda bnet Andrea you have to report that and she says we're working with Miss we're definitely working um with Miss Andrea in regard to Frankie so we have her back a thousand um a th% on this wrote in the chat yeah I know we do um and then she wrote yes a headache and then another parent agreed with her and then Dorene said thank you for what I said about we're going to get back to her and then Christy Angel placed the link about the school Nix account um it's in the chat for those who don't have a nxa that's how you get to learn about it and apply but I think the first time you apply I believe you will need some special code from your parent coordinator at first if you're new to applying to next but if you have to just change something you should be able to change it already if you previously have a next account already active all right let me see anybody got their hands up anybody else hold on okay I see another thing let me read thiso hello my son arrives very late in the afternoon and in the morning too it is two hours of each trip in the morning so she's saying two hours there two hours back that probably a total of four hours she trying to say um in the a in the morning and afternoon it is because in the bus they have four school routs so her bus has four school routs cuz he's on a big bus I know even with the little buses we have at least my daughter has two four routes must be worse than what I'm going through that's for sure if you Emil the council at d75 counsil at schools.nyc.gov we can make sure to add you to our list of people from this meeting that we are going to follow up with as of tomorrow uh co-president Daniels I do see we have a Spanish interpreter with their hand rais as well all right let me just finish reading this and then we're gonna read their question next because it's still long um so let me just start over hello my son R very late in the afternoon and in the morning two it is two hours of each trip in the morning and afternoon it is because in the bus they have four school routes now he's on a big bus and he is supposed to go in the small bus he is six years [Music] old and has a IEP he has autism today in the morning he was there for three hours and 43 minutes wow and I know this because he has a tracking I called opt and made a complaint they gave me the incident number she PR the incident number in the chat in this case Christy Angel yes um I would also need the students I we don't want to give any um personal information away in the chat so Mom she that in the chat and that's one of her information already correct we would need the students osis number in addition to the violation numbers to be able to push that for so we don't want to put that necessarily in the chat so if you could um email us we absolutely will push this forward because that's ridiculous for a child to be on a bus that long and you only have one violation number so far well she put one there okay we'll follow up we'll follow up with her I'll save the chat and then we can go back through it um tomorrow had a question you said um yes uh mark Marella do you have a question yes yes um we have a PR in the line she's saying that she her kid is a a first grader and um that one of the drive one of the I don't I don't know if the drivers or the assistant didn't want to take the kid because uh the student was crying and they didn't take her they didn't take her on the bus uh they refused to take her because this happened what because the child was crying child crying you said yes that's what the mom stated did m m file a violation she file report they not supposed to do that not because child crying some of the kids are little some of them do cry especially the young one I think she's asking mom yes I'm Mo him Mom okay so Mom said so Mom said it was uh this Friday that passed by she tried to communicate with the school but I'm not sure if the the school was able to understand her uh what was she trying to say maybe it was due to the barrier that she speak Spanish but she told the school that she wasn't able to take the the kid to school because um the driver the let me ask her if it was the driver or the assistant told her that okay so so mom's so Mom is saying that so Mom is saying both the driver and the assistant um told her that no they they going to take a a crying child um and then to go for the parent to go drop her off to school they was not supposed to tell her D tell her definitely keep making her complaints and she got to take that over with the bus company and the school and please email the council so that we can stand in support as these um things are happening additionally what I wanted to say um for any parent where English is not your first language there should always be equity in language for Mom if she calls to the school and someone does not understand her she has the right for to request an interpreter so we want to make sure that she has that for her school as she moves forward and that she has language Equity um in addition to the support that she needs for busing yeah sometimes the um the language barrier is the case too and then they try to just push them away and that's not cool also our co-chair for the busing committee does speak Spanish so we do have a um extra space to continue to support mom um post meeting um are you able to give my cow my colleague Nancy Hernandez access to so she Canute herself in case you have any more questions for Spanish absolutely thank you Miss Schneider Joan yes hi thanks so much um I have uh used the NYC schools account in the past but my son now goes to the Carin school it's a it's state fund the private school and I lost access to the account I I reset my password and now they're asking me to add him again as a student and they're asking for an account creation code can I still get that from Carin School even though it's a private school like how do I get this account creation code again we can uplift that to the district if your child isn't in a specific school there there's definitely a way to get another account um creation code and we can figure out what that looks like um for you so that you don't have to be stuck in a space of needing a code I um we I'm not sure if we may have to double back but we can definitely move that up to the family support coordinator with District 75 to make sure that you have what you need to get access if you could email us um with the council to just let us know and flag us that you're the person that needs the assistant with Nixa and um changing the aspect and getting getting the code from the district okay great and it's d75 council at schools. nyc.gov yes ma'am okay thank you so much you're more than welcome do we have any additional questions before we move on to our parent support space I know that you guys have a long day ahead of you and have had a long day already so we won't take a lot of your time but what we will do is move into just information about um what we are going to be doing moving forward we figured as we see a lot of parents are in need um they're in isolation or they're just struggling in different ways and we want you to know that you have community that you are not alone and that you have a space where you can be seen be heard and be connected with whatever level of resource that you need so the CCD 75 support group is going to focus on coping strategies talk with challenges talking with you guys about challenges that you have resources that you need in self-care we will have different licensed social workers and different community- based organizations that'll be coming in and facilitating some of these meetings and so tonight what I wanted to do just to kind of have as a ice breaker if any parents wanted to talk about what's been your biggest challenge for you recently so far is it busing is it issues within the school is it something that may be just stressing you as a regular person you know we all are parents and sometimes we are very stressed out our children could be in crisis that puts us in crisis and you may need some levels of support or someone to talk to um so I guess I could lead the challenge um I could say my son recently got hurt um in school and now I'm home doing an extra level um of care and sometimes we know when you already have a heavy workload and you have a little bit more to do we do love our babies and we love our children and it's a little bit harder to before we continue this portion of the meeting should it not be recorded because it's recording um yeah we can turn the recording off a support group I think it should not be recorded all righty so we're gon to stop