Speaker 1: All right, so call the meeting to order at 7 0 3. This meeting is being recorded by Natick Pegasus. We'll do a roll call. Chris Weisman, Speaker 2: Present on Zoom. Speaker 1: Saul Beaumont. Here. Harriet Here on Zoom. Okay. And Paul Greer here on Zoom. That's at 7 0 3. And we'll note if anybody else seeks to join the meeting from the committee. Next item up is Citizens Concerns for anyone who wants to talk to the committee about something that's not on the agenda.
Going once, going twice, going three times. Alright, we'll move on to Chris. Do you wanna provide any update on the Special Act? Speaker 2: I don't have any update other than the fact that the hearing was held that you attended earlier, you know, earlier this year in the spring. But we haven't heard any, anything from David Linsky and I've been busy this week, so I didn't text him to check in on it. Did have you heard anything different? Speaker 1: No, no. I actually saw him at the, there was a, he, he
sponsored my wife for an award on Beacon Hill. I actually saw him at the ceremony. We saw, talked mostly about that, but I just asked him and he said he expects it to be reported out of committee. I didn't get whether that was the committee on second read or committee on third read. But he re expects it to be reported out, you know, favorably. The, but that's, that's the extent of that update. Speaker 2: Major does have new rules that do force things to have to come out of committee. I have to go back and look what they are, but you know, at least it means that they'll at least deal with it.
So. Speaker 1: Well I don't think this was gonna get the, so I attended the meeting just, you know, attorney Durso said you should attend the meeting. David said it's not necessary. You know, I'd said I'll go, I won't say anything unless they ask and I was fascinated. They just moved through a a lot of stuff, you know, with, you know, without objection. Most of their hearing was centered on a controversial home rule petition for a regional planning agency for the Island of Nantucket. They must have spent. So, which is,
I guess both a county and a, and a town. So that's really the update on that. We can skip ahead to item six on the agenda. There is no special counsel invoice. And I'd like to propose something for the committee just so that we can expedite it. Items four and five, if we could consider them kind of together. There are two warned articles that we need for the fall. We don't have to sponsor anything, but one of them is the committee report and there was a draft that was circulated yesterday,
I believe, to everyone for that. And then the other is an article for the two items that the finance committee and town meeting finance committee recommended. We requested town meeting referred back to us. So they are all things that we've done before. I would propose that we get into moving those so that we can put those on the warrant when the warrant opens. I don't think they should take more than, you know, three to five minutes of time and then we can really deal with, you know, what Jeff's here
for and the number of issues that might need to be considered around the new town meeting time. And I have Bob Qua joining the meeting at 7 0 7. Bob, are you, you have to announce you're here. You're here by Zoom? Yes, Speaker 3: I'm attending remotely by Zoom. Speaker 1: Okay. Are people okay with that? Speaker 4: Yeah, Speaker 1: I'm good. Okay. So there wasn't a, a draft article. It is the same language as the language from the spring except it says 2025 fall annual town
meeting instead of spring. And it's for hearing a report and it's got the same protective language to extend the committee. I don't, nobody wants to do that or to fund it, but I left it in just in case something comes up and town meeting asks us to do something, even though I know that we all want this fall town meeting to be the sunset. Speaker 4: Yes. So is it all possible that this whatever we propose that, that this be the last
of the articles so that we can ask them to vote against the, the parts we don't need? Speaker 1: Well we wouldn't just for any part we don't need, we won't bring a motion forward. Speaker 4: Okay. Speaker 1: So the, you know, it's, I don't think that this committee would necessarily want to do it but to, for an extension. But you never know what comes up and if you don't put it on the warrant, you can't put a motion forward for it. If you put it on the warrant, you don't have to put a motion forward for it. So Speaker 2: Do you want me to share my screen and put that up? Yep.
Speaker 1: If you want to, everybody should have a copy of it. And it has a placeholder for the vote x, y, Z on July 3rd, 2025 where people can just refer to their own copy that I sent around by email. And I have, and I have Donna, Donna McKenzie joining at 7 0 8, no, seven 10, sorry. Speaker 5: Oh, Speaker 1: Donna, you here remotely? Speaker 6: I am here remotely. And I'm gonna mute because I'm sitting outside of Rhodes Brothers and it's a little noisy. Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Oh, Speaker 2: I have the wrong item pulled up. So people can just use their, if
that's okay, people can use, Speaker 1: People can just use their copy. If people want me to, you know, to read it. I don't think we need to, but it would've come out as a draft warrant article in the title of the Word document. Speaker 4: Can I make a motion to Speaker 1: Yes, Harriet Speaker 4: Motion to accept the warrant article sponsored by the charter and bylaw review committee for the 2025 fall annual town meeting warrant and or special town meeting. Is Speaker 1: That, so that's to that. Okay. That's to sponsor it.
So sponsored by Harriet, or I'm sorry, moved by Harriet. Seconded by Saul. Any other motions? Alright, so we'll vote this Harriet, how do you vote? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Saul? Yes. Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Let's see. Bob. Yes. Donna? Speaker 6: Yes. Speaker 1: And I'm a Yes. Now that is 6 0 0. Okay. The next one is an article for the Article 81 on the chemical storage
and also the town council section. Both of these were referred back to us. The language is identical to the language from the spring, except I added a little bit more explanatory language around the one for the propane. Once the, you know, the clarification being that the, let's step back. Article 81 of the bylaws, chemical storage tanks, and it is mostly intended, intended for regulating
fuel and chemical storage. And it has a lot of stuff about monitoring inventory levels and consumption to make sure that there are no leaks from, and like an an oil tank or from any other kind of a chemical storage tank. The Board of Health is heavily involved in that. They want the propane tanks put into the scope of the bylaw. But what they want put into the bylaw is underground propane tanks, not the, not the above ground stuff
and not the stuff you use for your patio grill. And what they want to regulate is where they go so that the underground stor propane storage tank doesn't interfere with a septic system or a drainage field wetland, that type of thing. But they, so they want it in the bylaw for that purpose. But they want to exempt the underground propane storage tanks from all of the fuel monitoring inventory or control inventory reporting because propane, you know, won't damage the
pollute the ground because it's a gas and it rise if there was ever a, you know, a propane leak. It's more of a fire department issue. So anyway, the article is just make clear that that's what this is after and Speaker 3: The fire department supports this too. Speaker 1: Yes. So Harry, do you wanna make a motion, Speaker 4: I move that we accept the language for Article 81 Chemical Storage Tanks and system of the bylaws Speaker 1: And well, there's two of them there. You wanna, do you wanna do both of them at the same time in the document? Speaker 4: These are Speaker 1: Both, these are both the same from the spring.
There were, these are, this is what was referred back to us, Speaker 4: But the other one is Article 22. What we only talked now about Article 81. So I figured that that was what we needed. Speaker 1: Well we're only, we are moving, we're deciding whether or not to sponsor these warrant articles. So you could make a motion to sponsor them as written in the, in the document. It's one article. Speaker 4: So what's the change in Article 22 before I make the motion? Speaker 1: Nothing. Speaker 4: Nothing. The, the one, why was it post postponed? I do not remember. Speaker 1: There was a technical flaw in the way the,
the finance committee asked us to cha, you know, to fix language in the wording. Speaker 4: Okay. Speaker 1: Right of the motion in Speaker 3: Both of these? Speaker 1: Correct. Speaker 4: Okay. And then Speaker 3: They didn't have another meeting and then they didn't meet again so we could bring it back Speaker 4: To him meeting. Okay. So I move that we accept the bylaw changes in warrant article 81 and warrant article 22 as requested by the finance committee. Speaker 1: Okay. Is there a second? Second. No. Seconded by Saul. Any other motions? Any discussion?
So we'll vote this Harriet? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Saul? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Chris? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Bob? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Donna? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: And I am a yes. Okay, without dispensing of article, I'm sorry of agenda item five 'cause we'll still keep that open. I want to circle back to agenda item four, the fourth edition of town meeting time.
And Jeff, if you don't mind, I'm gonna give like a 32nd intro to this and try set the stage for this. I distributed around to everyone a copy of Article three of the town bylaws. And so article three of the, of the current bylaw says that the town meeting functions under a version of town meeting time by Johnson, Truman and Wadsworth. Right? That has been superseded
and it's no longer by Johnson Trussman and Wadsworth, it's by the Massachusetts Moderator's Association and it's the fourth edition. And there are a fair number of changes in the, in it from the prior version. Those changes are outlined in two documents that you received. One was Appendix C of town meeting time, fourth edition, the other discussed in editorial notes. But as a, at a minimum we have a bylaw in our town bylaws
that says Town meeting will function under town meeting time. Johnson, Truman and Wadsworth, they're gonna hold it up so everybody can see it. Right? And this, this document still exists, it didn't get pulled, but it's out of date. And I actually found my copy today. I'll open this up so that people can see it. The, Speaker 4: Oh, it looks the same. Speaker 1: Nope. Right. But on the inside of it you'll see that there was a second edition and then that there was a third edition. And the third edition has a bunch of people listed just
above the gavel, but none of them are Johnson Wadsworth and Trust Tru Trustman that the, those people just kept Johnson Wadsworth entrustment on the front cover. But now it's apparently just the Massachusetts Moderator's Association. So we would need to update to the new one. We would need to at least change the reference in the bylaw to the new book. And then Jeff, you also said that there's some, well I'm gonna give you the floor. You can talk about what, what it is in the change of the title and also beyond the change of the title. Sure.
Speaker 7: I appreciate the time to bring this forward. If I had known this was going to be as much of an issue, I probably would've brought it up before the Springtown meeting. But I was a little distracted before then. So this was, this was raised by a couple of different town meeting members. Point to me to this, this conflict. Lemme explain what it's, what the issues are that I'm currently facing. One town meeting time third edition is not available for purchase anywhere. You can't find it, you can't download it, it's not supported. You can't even go to Amazon, get a digital copy anymore. So as we have new town meeting members that roll on, we cannot, if we were to stick with our current bylaw pointer to the third edition, we cannot source it.
The fourth edition has some really great new discussions and some guidance on issues that we are going to face pretty quickly. Things such as the Community Preservation Act, it talks specifically about state law changes and other things around how to handle funding amounts for projects. How town meeting can, well, I'll give you an example. Town meeting is allowed to reduce the amount that the CPC proposes for a project, but it cannot increase it past or higher than the proposed amount. That is a very unique thing about the way that Community Preservation Act projects are handled.
And tell me time fourth edition goes into great detail on that. It also covers things that we are active users of and sort of codifies it a little bit more, such as consent agendas. I am planning to use those more effectively in future town meetings. This would actually solidify some of our own procedures around how we do consent agendas at town meeting. And last, and certainly not least, it includes a good bit of guidance around the execution and management of hybrid town meetings. And you may know that that is something that we are probably going to be able to do and we'll be putting together, I dunno if it's a committee
or some sort of, some sort of group to investigate the feasibility, do a feasibility study of that for Natick with representative representation of town meeting technology vendors and others. And so there's, there's some really good bits that's not all of it. The, the documents that that, that Paul attached were, were compiled by the, the copyright owner. And so what I was looking for, so just, so for the first part of what I'm looking for is just let's correct our bylaw to give us the flexibility to not have to always change our bylaw every time a new edition comes out. Granted, it doesn't happen that often. It happened in like the sixties.
It happened in the eighties. Here we are in 2024 and another one happened. I would want, I would not wanna change our bylaw every time a new edition comes out. So pointing to the copyright owner by name as the Mass Moderators Association and just say whatever the latest edition is, we sort of have a moving pointer to the latest edition and we just sort of inherited it as we go. But that being said, so that's the fir that's the first bit of business. I would like the, the, the CVRC to look at what's the bylaw change required to article three that would allow us to have sort of a moving edition as new editions come out. The second part is there's a lot of changes between the third edition and the fourth edition.
I don't know if there's certain things that are recommended in here in particularly when you look at the change log that we might wanna investigate that we have either out of date bylaws with respect to what town meeting time is recommending, or if there are things that we just wanna shore up in terms of being explicit I or if we can anticipate conflict between what town meeting time is recommending and our current practices and norms are anything that we can get in front of. So if town meeting is saying, Hey, well before we adopt tab meeting time for addition, what's different about it?
And have we done a thorough investigation to understand the impacts of adopting the latest edition? I wanna make sure that we have at least done our due diligence, even if no changes to the bylaws are recommended. And if they are recommended that this, that this committee would bring them forward in the usual manner. So that's sort of the two part of, of what I was trying to bring this forward for. Happy to answer any questions about the process solved. Speaker 8: I got, I got a question. What percentage of the other towns in Massachusetts use this as a guideline? Do you know Speaker 7: All of them? Speaker 8: All of, Speaker 7: When I go
to the Mass Montes Association professional development meeting, nearly every moderator of either representative town meeting or open town meeting in the state of Massachusetts is a member of the association and also has adopted town meeting time, either through bylaw change or as just a matter of tradition. And course some of them have taken up bylaw changes to do what we're describing here. I I could do a little bit more digging to find out who the most recent one ones are. I did reach out to the author and the copyright owner. So I went to the Mass matter association
to the editorial committee and got their take on this and they said, well, you know, it's really up to each town to decide how they wanna adopt it. But, but he said, but, but he did say that a lot of towns were pretty much ready to go. Quite, quite frankly, we should have probably started this, this process about a year ago. The, the, the fourth edition was published in November, I think November of 2024. And so, and, and there was a very lengthy comment period with town moderators and the association for at least 18 months leading up to that before the fourth edition was published.
And when I went to a professional development meeting in, in October of 2024, they were talking about this being imminently coming out. And I, and I, I I, I held it up because I have the fourth edition in my hand because at the time I just assumed that we'd be able to use it. And so I, I did my thing, I'm a new moderator, I went out there and I bought that and turns out that, that it was a little oversell us but there, but there are many other moderators had, have already had their hands all over this in terms of giving feedback almost. I think all of the authors, I think there's a co there's a legal counsel, but, but the rest of the authors
that contributed on the editorial side for the fourth edition are all town moderators themselves. And it is written to support both forms of town meeting open and representative for all of the towns that that have that form of government in Massachusetts and other states as well. Speaker 4: Does it answer the question on when you are on the floor and people wanna call the question, does it make that easier than it did on the third, third edition Speaker 7: To that point, on that one specifically, there is a section on moving the question.
It is worth noting that our bylaws or or our our town meeting rules are more specific than what town meeting time suggests in terms of the process. And, and that it's also worth mentioning that if we pursued a hybrid or an online town meeting, we would have to completely revisit that process anyway in the future. I don't know, subjectively, if I could say it's better, worse, easier, harder of a process. But I think part of the, part of the, the review that this group should do is to say, based on what's proposed for that section compared to
what our bylaws or our town meeting rules say, we may want to consider adoption of, of explicitly what the way it's said in town meeting or just stick to our guns and say, you know what, we're different for a reason and here's why. And that's where I'm, I'm very happy to, to participate as a subject matter expert as needed in terms of how these things might roll out on the floor. 'cause I think also what's important is, you know, in terms of the order of precedence for like the, the rules here, you know, the, the moderator still has some pretty, pretty good flexibility in terms of how the rules are enforced on the floor of town meeting the,
a lot of town meeting time is sort of suggestions for decorum. They're not explicitly law. So our, our our statement of, in our bylaws that we adhere to town meeting time makes it law. And so we, you know, and then if our rules are adopted by town meeting that are slightly different than what's in town meeting time, that's what governs our town meeting sessions. So, so that, I'm, I'm, I dunno if I'm sort of like talking cyclically, but on that specific issue I'd have to pull the text up and compare it and say, well, I would, and I wouldn't compare it to the third edition. I would be comparing our fourth edition to our current bylaws and our current rules.
That's I think the, the project, it's not, we have an editorial punch list that says the difference between the third and fourth edition. That's irrelevant. I think it's, it's what's in the new, in the fourth edition and how that compares against our bylaws. Speaker 1: Yeah. So to, to answer your question, Harriet, the motion for the previous question looks to be pretty much the same in the fourth edition. The, the language pretty much the same in the fourth edition versus the third edition of town meeting time. That wasn't the issue. The issue was we had a bylaw that said it was not a,
a motion that could be accepted if three or more people were seeking the floor who had not spoken for the first time. Correct. We had a, we had a bylaw that was very strict, but we actually got, we proposed to a town meeting under a warrant article last fall that we would change, change that. And we did get rid of that. And I remember checking just before Springtown meeting meeting and the town clerk had not yet received back the ag approval.
But once the ag approval comes back and that thing's posted in the precinct, we'll be under the, the revised bylaw that allows the motion for the question to be entertained at the discretion of the moderator. Correct. So such that if the moderator knows, if they've been talking about it for two hours and nothing's new, the moderator can take it. But if the mod somebody makes that motion to question 30 seconds into debate, the moderator could say, no, I, there are other people want it leaves it to the moderator's judgment. Speaker 7: Yeah. Not, not to make it a rhetorical thing, but like, or, or, or hypothetical.
But it, but, but Paul's exactly right. It, you know, having, having the discretion to call the question would be balanced against whether we've, we would've had it substantial and healthy and, and, and all sides debate on an issue. So just using it prematurely, but at the same time people can always vote it down and not move the question if so they don't want to or they continue to debate. So that's, that's, I think that's kind of the reason on that, on that topic. But that's a, it's a really great, that's a really great microcosm and example of the types of things that I think need to be compared against our current practices and norms, our current bylaws
and what the fourth edition might be recommending. Speaker 1: So I, I actually, you know, looked at the, the third edition Appendix C mapping to the fourth edition. And at first review a lot of what seems to be changed is numbering. They moved things a around a little bit. And the old chapter two in the third edition was chapter two, the cast of characters. It's now chapter two the participants, and instead of it being subsection five quorum, it's now 2.1 quorum.
But you know, the, the SUBHEADERS forum, the moderator, election of the moderator, et cetera, are pretty much the same. There is a new section on challenges to the moderator's rulings. There's there, there's a new section I think on, I think you talked about consent agendas there. So the, I think part of our task will be to, you know, just basically get, you know, do a compare and contrast and I think, you know, Jeff May wanna do this as well between the third edition
and the fourth pretty much focusing on the new stuff. One thing that I did notice, 'cause I, I had a little bit of difficulty downloading the ebook, but I finally got it to work and I also ordered a print copy, a the, a soft cover, you know, print copy of the fourth edition. But I thought I read somewhere that the fourth edition is saying that a second is not required or for a motion to be, you know, to be voted on. That might be something where town meeting wants
to put into a bylaw that a motion must be made and seconded, right? So that's, that's something where we might say, you know, this fourth edition's got really great stuff like consent agendas and hybrid town meetings and this, you know, updated for Community Preservation act, but it may have some stuff that we don't want that you would actually need to, to write a bylaw that says differently than the town meeting time. I don't think there's necessarily a lot of that, but the Warren article is that I drafted for your review
and discussion tonight, has the ability to make those types of bylaw changes if people go, if, if we go through it or anybody goes through it and says, version three said we did X and version, you know, four, the fourth edition says no, you can only do a and people don't like a, they may want to, somebody may want to make a motion that says we always want to do, you know, x in a particular situation. So, but Bob, you had a, your hand up. Speaker 3: Yeah, I I a point of clarification,
I hear you talking about comparing three to four and I hear Jeff in effect saying we should be really comparing two to four because our current stuff looks like two, we never did an update to three when it came out. So there may have been changes made by three that's not even existing in our stuff anyway. So, well we, looking at our current, our current rules that are in place compared to the fourth edition of the moderator's book, what
Speaker 7: You said there at the end. So, so I, I did not say to compare the second edition to the fourth, in fact I said comparing additions is irrelevant. It's comparing the fourth edition to the way we do business today. Yes. Right. Yeah, Speaker 3: We okay, we're saying the same thing, right? Yeah. Which is slightly different from Paul. I keep hear Paul talking about third. Well Speaker 7: That's where Speaker 3: Kind of a tool's kind of relevant for us. Speaker 7: Well it's, it's a means it's a means to an end. It sort of identifies Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on here. So Dave ge Jeff, you're the moderator on town meeting floor. I'm the chair of the committee so let's again not have the back and the back and forth. This is always the fun part, like when the, when you
don't take it out on me on town meeting floor. But I think you're both right. So to a quick answer, Bob, to your question, the third edition of town meeting time was done in 2001 and our current, our bylaw was changed subsequent to the third edition to eliminate the reference to the second edition so that we would just be whatever the most recent Johnson was, Wadworth, ent, Trussman would be. So we don't have that problem of missing the gap from two to three. We've been under the third edition of town meeting time
for 24 years. Does that make sense? Speaker 3: Okay, Speaker 1: So Jeff, you wanted to talk about the focus on the way we wanted we do business and wanna do business, Speaker 7: Right? Like, like the, the things that are in that are new in the fourth edition May co. So there's, there's a couple, I see three ways of doing things on any point that's new in the fourth edition. If, if there's an, if there's a, a concept that's new in the fourth edition that we would say, you know what, our bylaw is too restrictive, we should remove that so that we can use the fourth edition as stated,
we should make a bylaw change to remove that restriction. If we say, you know what we're, we're, we can form just fine with that, it's additive. It, it doesn't, neither subtracts nor nor adds to what's in our bylaw. We just let that ride. There's gonna be a lot of things like that. But then there's the things that are like, you know what the, the, with the, the proposed change is in the fourth edition are two permissive Paul's example of saying, you know what, we want a second for our motions. I I tend to think that we do. And, and so for that point we should make sure it's very clear in our bylaws that that's a requirement we have. And so I think you've got sort of those three,
those three categories of any given thing that's in the fourth edition and the things that are consistent and the same as a third edition do not need to be addressed. Speaker 1: Right. But I think people, I think people will wanna know what are the changes between the two. Chris, Speaker 2: I guess just in terms of process, then we would just be reading all the changes compared to article three or would we also need to look at the procedures, the changes in addition for with the town meeting member handbook?
Like are are those two separate things? Speaker 1: Yeah, the handbook is more of a guide. Yeah. You know, it's, it's kinda like the Michelin guide. That's a great point. The should the handbook be updated, I think that's probably a yes. But it's be, I think that's a, that's beyond the Speaker 2: Speaker's you do, right? Speaker 1: That's a yeah part, particularly if you, it would be easy if at all you had to do in the handbook was say, you know, strike third edition or strike Wadsworth Johnson
and put in fourth edition. But it's more than that because the use of the consent agendas, anything that's coming with a hybrid town meeting, there's gonna, somebody's gonna be studying that. That's a but so I think the, the handbook's gotta wait, the update to the handbook would have to wait and I worked on one, I worked on both of them. I I don't, yes, good Speaker 2: Luck on that. Speaker 1: I don't wanna do another Speaker 2: I wasn't that on, I just wasn't sure if that was another part of the review that we had to incorporate into.
So just to clarify then, if we're not using the handbook, we would just be comparing the fourth edition to the procedures that are outlined in bylaw article three, correct? Speaker 1: I, I don't think so because the, well, yes and no because, but the procedures that are in bylaw article three are the black and white on the page, the print, what's printed on the pages of bylaw article three and everything that's in Johnson Wadsworth and Trussman, that doesn't conflict with what's printed in the bylaw, right?
Right. So the this this old edition or you know, this one that's like no longer something that you can get a hold of is referenced in our bylaws. So we have to follow it. So if the new, so our bylaw, when it's specific about moving the question, for example, we have to follow the bylaw, otherwise you follow town meeting time, right? And then, and then town meeting time says if it doesn't deal with it, then the, you know, the moderator, you know, you know, deals with it. But the, if there's a change between
the third edition and the fourth edition that's substantive. Yeah. Like, you know, right. It would it if by if by adopting the fourth, by simply adopting the fourth edition, we would be changing the way we run town meeting. Speaker 2: Right. Okay. Speaker 1: Because we'd be Dr we we be taking the third edition, not the same as the fourth edition, throwing out the third edition, putting in the fourth. And if the fourth had some substantive change, then we would be working on that change. We would be working under that change.
Do I have that right Jeff? Speaker 7: That is correct. And, and there's, if I just clarify one thing, there's, there's, there's two benefits of the CBRC going through this process. One is to actually, you know, if there's bylaw changes that need to be made, put them into effect. I think the other is just the due diligence because in the debate about, and I, I don't know if there's some sort of tool to report that would be coming outta this. So some sort of table that said, here's the changes and here's the, here's the differences and here's the changes we're gonna affect in the debate to even adopt the fourth edition. Someone's gonna ask the question, what are the impacts and do we need to change the bylaws? So it's sort of anticipating the knock on questions
and you know, the, the order of business that we do in the article is sort of irrelevant. You can make the bylaw changes and then adopt time, meeting time or whichever way. But I, I think, I think it's just anticipating the fine grain questions that people have. And if there was, and and you know, following on from the way the utilities are that the editors made, like they have a change guide between the third and fourth edition. That's a tool we could give to town meeting. There's a editorial notes to the fourth edition. That's a tool we could give town meeting. And then we can add a column that says here's what's new in the fourth edition, or here's what's been removed in the fourth edition. Did it have an effect on our execution of town meeting or not?
Yes or no? And if yes, what are we gonna do about it? And I, and so some sort of tabular view of like what the proposed changes are would help people then understand, okay, here's comes the slew of, of bylaw changes you're gonna vote on either as a, as a set or, you know, one at a time. So some part of this is also just helping the town meeting come to the decision about whether they wanna adopt town meeting time for or not. And then do I, I imagine if that's a very healthy debate then the, the blocking and tackling of getting each of the bylaw changes after that would be pretty trivial. Speaker 2: Little bit of work. Speaker 1: So yeah. Bob, go ahead. Speaker 3: When, when, when warrant
articles due of the fall, mid-August. Speaker 1: Probably by August mid. So I was trying, yeah, I was trying to get this meeting in before the fourth so that everybody could have a July off Speaker 3: And then your thinking is in August we would tackle this fourth edition recommended change issue. Speaker 1: You or anybody who's got a copy of the third edition and wants to get a copy or we figure out how to get copies of the fourth edition. If it rains on, you know, July 4th weekend you could curl up
with a good book and read one side by side with the other. Speaker 3: I got a whole stack of good books next to my bed to curl up with. This is not one of them, Speaker 1: But you, you, we could, you, there's nothing that stops anyone from doing a, a comparison on their own to get up to speed by looking at the third edition. And the fourth, the, probably the biggest issue is getting a copy of the third edition, which I would recommend you go to the Mors Institute library and check out a copy. 'cause I think they have like three or four of them check them out before everybody else does. Speaker 3: Hmm. That's a good idea. So, Speaker 1: So
Speaker 8: Hey, I'm a little bit confused because you sent out an an attachment to town meeting time and it compared the third edition and the fourth edition. Is that not accurate? Speaker 1: So you're talking about the document here that says yes, it says town meeting time, fourth edition appendix C mapping of third edition to fourth edition. Yeah. Right, right. Note bold indicates major changes, right? So the, if you start looking at that, they're, they're only telling you what sections changed.
They didn't tell you what's changes were made within those sections. The only way to find that out is to read the section. Speaker 8: And the only way to do that is to get the book Speaker 1: Right. Speaker 8: Just say, oh, Speaker 1: Okay Jeff, you were, you you were working on books. Speaker 7: Yeah. So, so on the, on the topic of books, might I suggest, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be outside the scope of how you, the CBRC spends its budget. I don't, you know, in terms of reimbursing members for purchasing or you could just do a bulk purchase. They're available for purchase online.
If you, if you, everyone wants a hard copy. I think you could put the order in today and have 'em next week. Their mine was delivered pretty quickly. So in terms of, in terms of being a reimbursable expense or getting, getting the CVRC to, to pay for it, it feels like something that you would be in scope for your activities. Speaker 1: Hey, we, we gotta check what the authorization for the appropriation was. I think it was only for legal services. Speaker 2: I think so too. Speaker 1: I mean that's a, Speaker 2: I mean, how, how expensive is it? It's like five or six bucks. Speaker 7: I'm, I'm sorry that was funny. No part,
Speaker 1: Part part copy 79 soft copy 49 ebook 49 ebook is Speaker 2: 49. Wow, okay. Speaker 1: Right. So the, the soft copy is 49 plus shipping and handling and tax Speaker 6: Does, why do I have the fourth edition? Two? Speaker 1: I don't know. Speaker 7: I think the reason the library even has a third edition is because Frank made it. So, Speaker 1: Yeah, Speaker 7: Part part of this is also if we make this move part of, part of my process as moderator in terms of getting budget for things, I wanna, I wanna make it a process
as New town meeting members are elected that at they're swearing in or as they're sworn in, I hand them a book. Like I want to give, I don't want them to have to worry about where to get it, what version we're on. I just wanna hand them the book and, and I think one of the things we could do to memorialize this, if this all is successful is that whichever town meeting we're at and it's official where he is in the fourth edition, I'll just hand 'em out. I'll figure out, we'll figure out how to fund that and, and, and get that done. Speaker 1: Yeah. So we had to figure a way to for, you know, to get committee members the, you know, the, you know, the fourth edition. So Speaker 7: If you need me to purchase them and deliver them, I'm happy to, if that's the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: Do do you have, Speaker 7: I have a, I have a strong vested interest in having this get done Speaker 8: Do you the library to buy the books and you can reimburse them later on. Speaker 7: You can always suggest that the library purchase any book for any edition and, and I can, I can look into that process. Speaker 1: Jeff, do you have a budget to buy them? Speaker 7: I've been talking with the town clerk about this as something that we might do as part of the swearing in process or something as a, you know, as a means to an end. 'cause it benefits the town. You know, having access to the, you know, the literal book about how we run our our town meeting makes a ton of sense to not absolutely have that be and,
and at that price point that starts to become a barrier for some people maybe. Absolutely. So I, I am discussing with the town clerk as to whether this actually falls under the clerk's budget on an ongoing basis. It doesn't solve a c BRC problem. Speaker 6: I would, I would love it if you could find a creative way to budget copies of this book for our committee. Speaker 7: Let me see what I can do. Speaker 4: Because if we each had a book, we could be assigned a, a chapter to be able to compare. Speaker 1: Well you need the, you need both additions. Speaker 4: I have the other edition I think. Okay. Speaker 8: Yeah, Speaker 4: You do. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I thought we only need this edition and the latest copy of the bylaws to see no difference. I thought we're, 'cause I have, I Speaker 1: You need this, you need the third edition. Speaker 4: I have that. Speaker 6: Well, let's find out how many copies of the library has and see if we can reserve them and share them in the committee Speaker 1: Idea. Speaker 8: Jeff, Jeff, if I can just ask you, 'cause I, I misunderstood you then I thought you, you want, let's see the fourth edition. You wanna know the difference between the fourth edition and what's in the bylaws? I now I thought you said Speaker 4: Right, but they, that's based on the third edition. Speaker 8: It doesn't matter the second based on you just need the
bylaws and then you look at the, Speaker 1: So, so Saul, let me, lemme answer the, the question question 'cause that that is what was, was what he said. But then there was, we in discussion clarified there's a little bit more to it. So we have the current bylaw which references this thing Watford and Truman and happens to be the third editions the most recent By mentioning the third edition in our bylaw. All of the third edition has the strength of bylaw. If we go to the fourth edition, we will care about the substantive changes between the fourth edition and the third edition.
Because the, the third edition is effectively sucked up into our bylaw because we say we follow it, we have a bylaw that says we follow it. If we want to change that to say we follow the fourth edition, we will care where the third and the fourth editions are different because the third edition will be effectively kicked out of the bylaw and the fourth edition will be pulled in. Speaker 6: I will take responsibility for contacting the library and seeing how many copies we can reserve. Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. But Saul, does that answer your question? Speaker 8: Well, let me give an example.
Let's say I'm assigned chapter two, item five quorum. The way I would think I would go do that is I would take edition four, put edition of the book and I'd put it, open it up on Quorum and then I would look at the bylaw on Quorum. I don't care what it said, why do I care what a third edition was? Speaker 1: Because you would the, you would look at what the third, because the third edition is part of our bylaw. Speaker 8: That's okay. If it's part of the bylaw, then it's gonna be either Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. So, so I mean, let me just just clarify that it's not a written into our bylaw,
it's incorporated by reference. It's kind of like the, we had a bylaw that says we use Merriam and Webster's dictionary 12th Edition. Oh, Speaker 8: I I got you the light lit up, but I see what you're saying. Okay. Speaker 1: And now we go to the next edition of the dictionary. It's like, well what changed with all the words, right? That's the, that's the, that's the issue. Speaker 8: Okay, thank you. Speaker 1: Meanwhile Speaker 3: Breaking news, Jeff just put up on the chat, the library has one edition of one third edition left
Speaker 7: And and i, I can volunteer mine. I have both a third and the fourth odd copy Speaker 1: And I believe there's a not copy probably in Andrew's office because the prior town clerk as the, the under the old charter was the stand in and I believe the, there's probably one in the town clerk's office, so we may have to share, but then we also have to get, we have to figure out how to acquire copies of the fourth edition for everybody. Speaker 8: You know, if we are fast tonight we go, we all reserve a copy. It doesn't have to be in the Natick library. It can be in anywhere in the Minute Man library.
Speaker 1: That's actually true. All would great would, Speaker 8: Why would Lexington have Natick? It's not, it's the meet town meeting time for the state. Right? Speaker 1: It's it's town meeting time of all the communities that use town meeting time. So it's, you're right, it's probably in multiple libraries. Speaker 8: Everybody else is going off and enjoying July 4th, so I'm sure the books are sitting there. Speaker 1: This will, this will be the funniest thing when they, you know, when 12 people go into the Morse Institute library on, you know, the next time that it's opened and they all ask for the current copy of town meeting time, somebody will think it's a bestseller. Speaker 8: The way you can do it online. I I'm gonna do it this when we get off
this, the meeting here. Speaker 1: Got it. Okay. Chris. Speaker 2: Oh, I was, I think my husband has one, I just texted him, but I think we might have one in the house, but right now it looks like in Minute Band there's only three in the whole system. Just, Speaker 8: Wow. Well that's the end of that. So Speaker 1: Act fast while supplies last Speaker 6: There must, I'm sorry, there must be other town meeting members that have it. We could put a request out on social media. I'll do that. Speaker 1: Alright, so to the point of the, now that we have the background on all of this, I drafted up a warrant article
and I sent out a revised one today and I'd like to see if we could discuss that. It has several paragraphs. The fourth paragraph I believe we do not need, but if we, Chris, I don't know if you can call it up on the screen or people can refer to their own copy, Speaker 8: Which one is, of all, which, which document? Speaker 1: It says Revised warrant article for town meeting time and it has, on the first page there's a section that's highlighted in yellow. Speaker 8: Yep. Speaker 1: Okay, thank you Chris.
So just to walk you through this and then we'll open it up and, you know, for discussion, the first paragraph talks about changing the, is dealing with changing the simple title and reference to the fourth edition updated by the Massachusetts Moderators Association. So that would, if that was a part of a, if we included that in a warrant article, it would allow us to edit the second line in rule section one, rules of procedure that refers to Town Meeting Time
by Johnson Trussman and Wadsworth. That's what the first paragraph does, the second paragraph says. And just, you know, to, you know, see what the town wants to do to whether it wants to automatically to, you know, put language in the bylaw that we will automatically be the most recent edition of town meeting time published by the Massachusetts Moderators Association, or if subsequent editions to subsequent to the fourth edition, they've gotta be specifically named
and adopted by town meeting vote. So one way would be to make it automatic. The other would be to say, well, when they come out with a new edition, you have to have an article and you have to have a bylaw change. I wrote this both ways in, in paragraph two because there might be enough substantive changes in the fourth edition that people might say, I don't want to give carte blanche to the fifth and sixth editions because what if the fifth edition has even more substantive changes? This would just allow it to go either way.
One, it automatically updates or if there's a new edition, you have to update it. The, you, you would have to update it to adopt a new edition. The third paragraph is putting into the scope of the article, the ability to make a change in anywhere in the bylaws if it is directly related or responsive to the, this appendix c fourth edition mapping or the editorial notes.
And I wrestled with this, they're currently available at the Massachusetts Moderators Association that mean they did publish these things and I thought about, I looked at them and they're both PDFs. Trying to get those incorporated verbatim into a warrant article is very difficult. So I wouldn't, I wrote this to reference them and put in a link for convenience, but to, for the purpose of actually freezing the scope of,
or establishing the scope is a better way to say it. Establishing the scope of the warrant article. I spoke to the town clerk and said if we, if we give the town clerk a copy of the Appendix C and of the editorial notes and that's submitted as something that's in association with the fall town meeting warrant, they can be stamped in and they be, they can be kept on file as part of the record. That way we don't have to copy appendix C or the editorial notes into the warrant article.
And then paragraph four we can delete. Paragraph four was me wondering whether this book that I had to hunt through my library to find was the second edition or the third edition. It's the third edition. So we don't, we don't, Bob, your earlier point was, do we need to bridge from the second edition to the third? We don't. This fourth paragraph can go, because that was to, that was to bridge from an earlier edition to the third edition. So we don't really need it. So I don't, I don't know if I did a good job of explaining
what this is, but anyway, that's what I tried to write in this, in the new section in yellow. Yellow was what I added today. Well that, the version I sent you yesterday did not have that. Speaker 3: No, and I'm looking at the new version. Yeah, the yellow. Speaker 1: Yeah, but the new version, I only highlighted the change in yellow so you could see the change. Speaker 2: I have a question, Speaker 1: Chris. Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little wary that it's a little bit stupid, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. So is like, we have the motion for section one.
I mean we have the warrant article, which section one and section two is, do we do either section one or section two or we do both so that we have a procedure in place in case town meeting wants it for subsequent additions. Do, do we need, that's, I guess does having section two remove the need for us to have section one? I guess that that'd be a better way to ask the question. Speaker 1: No, I, I think they're a little bit different because one of the things, Speaker 3: You're talking paragraph one and two, aren't you? Not section one and two. Speaker 2: Well, it's talking about, yeah, because
Speaker 3: They both say section one, Speaker 2: Paragraph one and paragraph two. Okay. Speaker 3: Okay. See, I'll see it Speaker 1: Too. They're, there are subtly there, there there's a, a subtle, but I think a significant difference, you know, in paragraph one, you could simply change it to the town meeting time, fourth edition updated by the Mass Moderators Association and in paragraph two you could go an alternate route with, you know,
and, and just say the most recent edition of town meeting time by the Mass Moderators Association. Or you could combine two with one and say we're going to the fourth edition, you know, published and, and any and automatically go to any subsequent edition published by the moderators or just specify that, you know, any subsequent edition would need to be, you know, adopted by town meeting vote or you just do section one and say it's the fourth edition
and when there's a fifth edition, you're still stuck with the fourth edition unless you change the bylaw. I was trying to give a lot of flexibility for how the motion would be written and what solution people might, you know, want at the committee level when we have public hearings on this, what the finance committee wants, et cetera. Speaker 2: So this gives, so having, having paragraph one in paragraph two gives us the most flexibility or proceeding ahead with motions depending on how we wanna go. Speaker 1: I think so Speaker 2: In your opinion, yes. Okay. Speaker 1: It was the intended to, it was intended to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And paragraph three is paragraphs one and two combine, is that what you're suggesting? Speaker 1: No, paragraph three is the, we, let me just Speaker 3: Getting these, these attachments, Speaker 2: The mapping, Speaker 1: Right? No, wait, so we haven't, here's the, here's the dilemma. We haven't delve into what the substantive changes are, if any, between the third edition and the fourth. So you don't know what to put on the warrant, but there's a, you know, the way that I tried
to approach this, given that we haven't had the opportunity to delve into it, is to put notice in the warrant article that other things in the bylaw may change if they are responsive to the things listed in town meeting time, fourth edition appendix C mapping of third edition to fourth or editorial notes on town meeting time, fourth edition. And because tho those two documents exist and they may, they, they, we, they, but how does anybody know where to find those? So the solution I came up with was we would place a copy,
we could place a copy of those two documents on file with the, with the town clerk. This approach has been done at least twice that I'm aware of in the past, both times when they tried to do the zoning bylaw, rewrite zoning bylaw is a big thick document. And rather than put the entire new zoning bylaw into a single warrant article, what they did is a simple two paragraph warrant article that said delete the existing, you know, zoning bylaw in its entirety and replace it with, and they gave a title of a, you know, the, the,
the new version of the, you know, the draft and said as on file with the town clerk of Natick. So they, they basically said here, there's a record copy that they'll, that's available, you know, you know, on file with the clerk. That's actually, you know, an extension if you will, or part of the warrant article. Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like we would need one or two and three. Is that, what, is that where you kind were going with this? Speaker 1: I I would recommend one, two, and three. Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that because I think it gives us the most flexibility for Speaker 3: Well, right, this is the,
Speaker 2: I mean this is the high level stuff to make sure. Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Right, right, right, right, right. This gives us the, the room to craft whatever we're gonna actually craft Speaker 2: Exactly Speaker 3: Two months from now. And what we want to craft is greater than this, we can't do it. So this gives us the most running room. Speaker 2: Paul. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: It seems like you, we should run this language by council, make sure we haven't left anything out. Were you thinking we needed to do that or not? Speaker 1: Well, just so we've done with some of our other Warren articles, you know, we could, what we've
done in the past is we've moved to sponsor them and give special counsel latitude to modify it. Yes. But if it was radically different, then it would, you know, we, we always brought it back, Speaker 2: But I, I just think this is different enough from what we've done that we would want them to look at this. Wouldn't you agree? Speaker 1: I I think he, we would want him to take a look at that. Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Speaker 3: You want a motion? You ready for a motion? Speaker 1: No, because I'm actually thinking I'm missing a word in, in paragraph three. And Chris, if you could, if, if you can edit this on screen.
Yeah. What I, what I'm thinking is in the second line of paragraph three, we have amendments or changes are directly related or responsive to, I would insert, insert between two and, and the word either changes identified or highlighted in, Speaker 2: And I just wanna do track changes if I can figure out where to do that. Yeah, yeah. I, I'll just do it in red, hang on. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: Can say it again? Changes. Speaker 1: Changes identified or highlighted
in Speaker 2: Either the town meeting time, fourth edition, appendix C or the editorial notes. Speaker 1: Yeah. And so the, the, the, and I'm just, as I'm struggling with this, what I'm, what, what I'm, I'm just thinking out loud here on this, the, the, the, if you look at the appendix C, it identifies that a change may have occurred, but it doesn't identify the details of that change. So I, I have a further, you know, edit for your red here, Chris. Speaker 2: Okay. Speaker 1: After the word identified,
comma noticed or highlighted, so the, if it's there, there's a change noticed somewhere right in, in the, and so responsive to the, so wait, go back and, and one other, it should be changes in the fourth edition that are identified, noticed, or highlighted. There we go. And then take out the second either so, 'cause it's the change in the fourth edition.
Right? Right. That is what we would want to be responsive to and we want to tell people the ch we want, we want to say the scope of this warrant article can include a motion to deal with a change in the fourth edition if that change has been identified, noticed, or highlighted in a perens or B perens. And I think we need a, after fourth edition sections before B, we need an or Speaker 2: Changes in the fourth edition. Speaker 1: So down, down, 1, 2, 3, 4, fifth, line down before the word B parentheses, I think we need an or
Speaker 3: Either an or, or comma. Speaker 1: No, it's a, it, you know, NA or B. Okay. Speaker 2: No, that those are important changes. Speaker 1: So I'd ask everybody, including Jeff, you're still on, right? Speaker 7: Yeah. I put in the chat, I found, I found a typo in the first paragraph. I think you're the word for should be, or so it says reference to town meeting time, fourth edition or most more recent edition. Speaker 1: Yeah. So correct. That should be, or Speaker 7: But go ahead Paul, your question. Speaker 1: No, no, I want, I wanted to make sure you're still on, but I'd like everybody to look at this. Right? Speaker 7: Yeah. Nothing else at this point. Speaker 1: I I I think that paragraph three does it.
Speaker 2: I I, I'm glad you picked all that up. That's, those, those are important changes to add to that. Speaker 1: And then I did in the high, the, the, the, the language that I added the, you know, this morning and just high, I forgot to do track changes, so I just highlighted it in yellow. I figured that a lot of people don't wanna go to the town clerk's office and get the record copy. So I included that language about, for convenience only, you can find these two documents as long the mass, as long as they're up by the Mass Moderators Association.
What I, I I thought about writing it to say that, you know, those two documents, A and B as found on the mass moderator's website, but then what happens if they took 'em down? Right. And then people can't find what we were talking about. So that's why I put the parentheses for convenience only. Speaker 3: And for, in, in those red, the red changes do you need either, because either suggests the choice between two things and you actually have three identified, noticed or highlighted.
So I don't know if you even need to say, or either that are, either that are identified, noticed, or highlighted. Speaker 1: Bob, I think you have a great point. Chris, can you take out the, that either the, the red either Speaker 3: Yeah, the red either, yeah. Right. Speaker 1: And then put back after the red n before the A's put in either. Does that work for you, Bob? Speaker 3: Where she putting it back in or highlight in? Yes. Speaker 1: There any comments from people on this? Jeff, does this work for you Speaker 7: In, in terms of the form of the motion? Sure. It, it, it would give enough Speaker 1: Notice, Speaker 7: Give enough notice,
and it would allow you to bring forward any substantive bylaw changes that you de you determine through other motions. That's fine. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 3: Welcome to the CBRC, Jeff. Speaker 2: Oh, so we are, but I haven't taken the fourth one out yet, so you want me to take that out now? Speaker 1: I did because that was only to an earlier version of Tommy and Time by Johnson Trustman and Wadsworth. And when I found my copy today, I noticed that that is indeed the third edition. So it, the paragraph three deals with the changes from the third to the fourth.
And, and I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure I copy pasted the convenience links correctly. I copied 'em in, then I co then I hit 'em and I, I was able to get there. So there you go. 79 bucks. I'm, you know, hardcover fourth edition. Speaker 3: What was that? Speaker 1: That was the mass moderators.org/tmt/four. All right. So that link works Speaker 3: Only Speaker 1: 49 for the soft cover though, right? There you go. Speaker 2: Yeah, these links all work, Paul. Speaker 1: Okay, good. Speaker 2: Can I take the yellow out now? Or you can fix that. Speaker 1: Oh yeah, lemme take the all out.
Speaker 2: I was leave the red end so you know the changes, but I also renamed this as, you know, the same revised draft warrant article, but I called it two and then I put a footer in that said we edited in the meeting so you know the difference between the two. Speaker 1: Okay. Any more discussion on this? Or people want to, does anybody wanna make a motion? Speaker 3: I'll move acceptance of the warrant article Speaker 1: As printed on the screen. It Speaker 3: Printed on the screen tack in Speaker 1: With the, with the red language converted to including Speaker 3: The red highlighted language, but
Speaker 1: Could, but that converted back to the same font color or whatever. Okay. Seconded by Donna. Any other motions? Speaker 2: Do we need a friendly and moment amendment to make sure that we're allowing review by special counsel? Speaker 1: Bob, do you accept that as part of your motion? Speaker 3: I do. Speaker 1: And Donna, do you accept that? Speaker 6: I do. Speaker 1: Okay. So, and that's been the practice of the committee. We'll, we'll do that here. Any other motions, any disc discuss Speaker 6: On this? I think it's really well crafted, so thank you. Speaker 1: Okay, you're welcome.
So any other discussion? All right, Bob, you know, you know we'll vote this. Bob, how do you vote? Speaker 3: Yes, Speaker 1: Donna? Yes. How do you vote? Yes. Chris, how do you vote? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Saul. Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Harriet? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: And I am a yes. That is 6, 0 0. Chris, will you send that to me? Speaker 2: I will. Speaker 1: Okay. Thank you Jeff, thank you very much for a, bringing this
to our attention and you know, b joining the meeting. Speaker 7: No, thanks for taking up the business. I, I know, I know you guys were under the wire thinking you had a, a light schedule for the fall, but I, I spring this, but I think this we're all gonna be better for it. So I really appreciate the time and the attention and the detail and, and, and I will try to participate as much as I can as you discuss it in the future. Speaker 1: Okay? Speaker 3: You, you are always invited to our meetings, you know, Speaker 1: Everybody's invited Speaker 3: To meeting you. I was gonna say everybody, but especially you 'cause you, you we serve at your pleasure here. Speaker 7: It's working and Speaker 1: I and I and I
and I I I know there was no pun intended, Jeff, when you said you didn't meet this spring, this on us for the fall. Yeah, Speaker 7: I know. Yeah. I would've loved to fallen into it for the spring. That would've been the better way of doing it. I dunno. Speaker 1: Okay, so meeting minutes. Speaker 2: Yes. Meeting Speaker 1: Minutes. Unless, unless there are anybody has any other warrant articles they want to propose? Speaker 3: Goodness. No. Okay. Do we need a warrant article to disband? Speaker 1: No. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 1: Because our, we were extended last November through the dissolution of fall 25 town meeting.
Okay. And we, we actually would need a warrant article to continue on and or a motion to do that. So we don't need to, we don't need to vote to go out of business. We just need to do nothing. Okay. Speaker 3: We're good at that. Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Speaker 3: That's a good government move. Sunset ourselves. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Okay. Excuse my, Speaker 1: You have two sets of minutes Chris, we Speaker 2: Have three sets of minutes. Speaker 1: Three sets of minutes, okay. Three. Speaker 3: Oh, I only have two. Huh? Do I not print one? Speaker 2: I not send all three of them. Oh, I sent, what do you have?
Speaker 4: I have April 24th, February 18th and May 5th, Speaker 2: Right? Speaker 3: April 24th. Oh, I must have missed one. Oops. I said February and May, February, Speaker 4: April and May. Speaker 2: I don't think we had everybody attending. Pull up February 24. So at the February 18th meeting, Paul, er, Chris, Donna, Bob, Donna, McKenzie. You were only there till, oh no, Harriet left at 7 22.
So Paul, myself, Donna, and Bob, Donna Mackenzie. I listed there twice. Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Speaker 2: On these minutes. Speaker 4: By the way, Chris, I only have one T in my name. Speaker 2: I've probably been spelling it wrong forever. Do you guys need to re-review these or? I think what happened with these minutes is that Bob awkward had changes and so I went ahead and made those changes. I think we were trying to do it on the fly and I wasn't following along, so that's why. And then people hadn't read them the last time we tried to do this.
So what do you guys think? Speaker 1: Bob, you good with this? The 18th? Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: You wanna make a motion? Speaker 3: I'm moved to accept the minutes of February 18th as a modified in this discussion to this evening. Okay, second. Speaker 1: Second to move by Bob. Second to by Harriet. Any other discussion? All right, we'll vote this. Bob. Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Harriet? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Saul? Yes. Donna?
Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: And I'm a Yes. Speaker 2: Actually Saul wasn't in this meeting so he can't vote. Speaker 3: Close to abstain. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 3: Oh abs Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: And Donna, you were only there till 7 22. Speaker 1: She was there. She can, yeah. So Speaker 3: She was, I left at seven 20. Oh Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Harriet left at seven. Speaker 3: Har. Harriet was Speaker 1: Okay. Five Speaker 3: The next. No, five zero. Speaker 1: 1 5 0 1. I'm sorry. Thank you. Speaker 2: All right, the next minutes were April 24th and Chris, Paul, Paul Conley. Donna, Saul and Bob. Awkward. Were at that meeting.
So Harry, you can't vote on this. This is short meeting. Speaker 1: Bob, you okay with this? Speaker 3: I unfortunately didn't print that that date out so. Oh, I don't have, I mean I have 'em but I'm not going digging them up right now. Speaker 1: Chris, you wanna make a motion? Yeah, Speaker 2: I move that we approve the minutes of Thursday, the meeting CBRC meeting of Thursday, April 24, 20, 25. Second Speaker 1: Moved by Chris, seconded by Donna will vote This Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Donna? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Saul? Yes. Bob.
Speaker 3: I'm abstain. Speaker 1: Okay. And I'm a yes and Harriet abstain. Okay, so I've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 0, 2. Right? Okay. Yeah, I think that was the, that was the meeting that we were like under 30 minutes. Speaker 2: That's the May 5th meeting. May 5th meeting. That's the meeting that I'm in. Did I pull it? I must have this one up to May 1st. So May 5th. That one. That one was a, that one was a very quick meeting. So in the May 5th meeting myself, Paul, Paul Conley,
Harriet Saul. So Donna and Bob were missing from that meeting. We started at 7 0 6 and we ended at seven 19. Speaker 4: I move to accept the minutes of May 5th. Second Speaker 1: Move by Harriet, seconded by Saul will vote this Harriet? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Saul? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Chris? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Donna Speaker 6: Abstained. Speaker 1: Bob Speaker 3: Abstain. Speaker 1: I am a yes. So that is 4 0 2. I think that's everything on the agenda.
Everybody have a great 4th of July, a great four, you know, weekend. Speaker 3: Hey Paul? Speaker 1: Yeah, Speaker 3: I'm sure you already covered if you gimme the read a digest version. So what's happening with our special act? Is it still in committee? Speaker 1: I think it's got out of the com first committee. And I think it's either expected out of the committee on second read or the committee on third read. Speaker 3: Okay, so well good. It's moving. Yeah. Excellent. Speaker 1: Yeah. So can I Speaker 6: Just make a quick announcement? Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 6: You don't have to be a Democrat to come, but the Nat Democratic Town Committee is having their annual
barbecue on August 13th from five 30 to eight 30. Let me know if you'd like to come and I'll send you bit more information. We have a special guest, former governor Michael Dukakis. So I think it, it should be a special evening and as you might know, he's, he's 90 and he's getting up there. So we're really grace that he's able to join us. Thank you. Speaker 1: Okay. Alright, anything else Ms. Markowitz? For what purpose do you seek the floor? Speaker 4: I move to adjourn. Second. Speaker 1: Moved by Harriet. Seconded by Saul.
Time is 8 25. Harriet, how do you vote? Speaker 4: Yes, Speaker 1: Saul, how do you vote? Yes. Chris, how do you vote? Yes, Bob, how do you vote? Speaker 3: Yes, Speaker 1: Donna, how do you vote? Speaker 6: Yes Speaker 1: And I am a yes. That is six. Zero zero. We are adjourned. Thank you all everyone for making the time on the eve of a long weekend. I think it's important that we got this done and if anybody can get the, any of us wants to get a jump on the review of these things, get yourself a copy
of the third edition and I'll talk to Jeff about how we might get copies of the fourth edition to everybody. Speaker 4: And I promise when it's done I will donate my copy. I think Catton follows everything differently. Speaker 1: Alright, thanks. We Speaker 6: Are a thank you so much. Speaker 4: Happy. Thanks everyone. Happy Speaker 3: Fourth. Happy fourth.