Speaker 1: Okay, at seven 30, we'll call the meeting to order at 7:30 PM We have to do this by roll call Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Here present on Zoom. Speaker 1: Alright, Harriet here. Saul here. And I am here. So we have four. That's a quorum. The meeting is gonna be recorded by Na Natick, Pegasus. So I make that announcement. The next item on the agenda are citizens' concerns. If anyone wants to talk to the committee about something that's not on the committee's agenda.
Chris, do you see anybody trying to get into Zoom? Speaker 2: No one's trying to get into Zoom. Speaker 1: Okay. Right. So seeing none for CI citizens' concerns, we'll move on there. We have a couple of I items on tonight's a agenda. Chris, did you want to give a, you want me to give a, I can give a brief update on the Special act Speaker 2: When I, I've been in communication with Senator Spilker office. Yep. So I heard back from Senator Spilker office
as a constituent and it's currently in the Senate council being reviewed, which is a mandatory, a mandatory step in the home petition process. So the next step after the Senate Council review is that it would show up on a Senate schedule. And so I asked Senator Spilker office contact to try to keep me posted when it would show up on the Senate schedule. So I'll at least hear, but that's the update at this point. And I also included, you know, the, the bill location
for anybody that needs Speaker 1: To follow it, Speaker 2: Know that if you wanna continue to follow it. Speaker 1: All right. My understanding is that it went through the first and the second read and it was ordered for a third read. And that's when the Senate council takes a, you know, look, looks at it. So if there, once our council looks at it, assuming that there's not an issue with that and it has the third read, then it can actually go forward for a vote. If it passes the Senate, then it can, then it goes to the governor and if the governor signs it, then it comes back to Natick.
Right. So, so that takes care of items four A and B on the agenda. I wanna, you know, pause and kind of skip over for C for a moment. Item five on the agenda is the report to this fall annual town meeting. The, the representative town meeting. And I believe Chris, that you have kind of pre, you've prepared that, but, and it's fairly brief. It's just on the bylaws and the, the town meeting time stuff that we did.
Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 1: So the, and the pleasure of the committee. But you know, the last spring, the finance committee was very supportive of the zoning council idea. This spring they were split. They could not get a recommendation. You know, the planning board held a meeting on it even though that wasn't on their agenda. And the select board is opposed to it. As far as I'm concerned. If, you know, we've done our job, if people, I don't wanna push this thing, but it's, if somebody wants to make the motion they can. Otherwise everything's in the finance committee book.
But Chris, that what's your report is gonna cover the items that we did on the bylaws since last spring. Speaker 2: Yeah, the two items from last spring that were referred. Okay. And then, and then you know, the work that we did on how meeting time, right. Speaker 1: I haven't looked in the FinCon book yet, but I think that the moderator, I think that Jeff was gonna put the town meeting's time stuff on the consent agenda. But I don't know what, that's Speaker 2: What, when I did the work with the moderator last Friday, he said he was gonna do that also.
Speaker 1: Okay. We do have a, Speaker 2: Before you go off the written report, can I just say that I hear anything from anybody about what I wrote? I didn't know Harriet or Saul if you had any comments about what I wrote. Speaker 3: Yes. So I, about five minutes ago Speaker 2: You what it was, you just looked at it? Speaker 3: Yes. I mean I just saw that you had a report that it, you said you went through. Speaker 2: No, no, what I sent tonight. That was the Paul's work. I sent my report you guys last week with all the, you know,
a reminder about the minutes. Did you guys not get that last week? Speaker 3: Is that, well, I commented on one of them. Is that the one you're talking about? Speaker 2: Well, you commented on the minutes. I I, Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything from anybody about the report. Did I leave it off the message that I sent? I thought that Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I would take it that people are fine with it, Chris, and just move forward with it. Speaker 2: I'm kind of hoping that would happen, but I wanted to, Speaker 3: I remember looking at everything you sent Chris and I, I didn't find anything wrong with other than a minute. So I would think I'm alright with it too. Speaker 2: Bob Awkward is coming into the meeting, so, okay, well
Speaker 1: That's, what time is it? 7 35. Speaker 2: He's here now if you wanna add. Speaker 1: Okay. Bob, are you here? Speaker 4: I am. Speaker 1: Okay. It's 7 35. So Bob, we are, we went through items 1, 2, 3 on the agenda. Item four A and four B on the agenda. We skipped over four C and D. We're gonna come back to those. And right now we're on the report, the update report that Chris is gonna give to fall annual town meeting on the work that we did since the spring. That was basically on the bylaws
and the work on, including the work on town meeting time. Speaker 2: I will also say, 'cause all my reports have done that, that, you know, it lists a link to our webpage for all the prior reports so people can do that, you know, see that if they wanna go back and see the other one. Speaker 1: So, Speaker 2: So Bob, I guess if you have any edits, I haven't heard from anybody with edits on the report. So if you have edits, I need to hear from you. 'cause I want, if we're, if we're basically feeling good about this, I wanna send it on to Jeff so he can send it out to the town meeting. Speaker 4: How much have you edited what Paul sent out? That's
Speaker 1: A different report. Lemme Chris. Chris, Chris please. Lemme, that's a different report. Bob and I, you know, I, I, I, I'm, Chris sent one about 10 days ago, I think, right? A week ago Speaker 2: Was at least a week ago. Speaker 1: At least a week ago. And the, that, the report that I wrote is a, is a, is a comprehensive report on all the charter changes. And I wanna talk about that in a minute. That's a different report. Alright. Speaker 2: Do you have the report, Bob, that I sent? I sent you?
Speaker 4: I'm sure I I'm sure I do. But Speaker 5: Look like I have it printed out here. Speaker 3: Was that the eight page one Chris? I I think it was eight pages right? October 2nd. I think I have it in my hand. I did, I definitely looked at this. If that's the right one. Speaker 1: Does anyone have any comments on that report? Speaker 2: It is eight pages I believe and, and there are a couple of places where it's yellow, it needs to be filled in such as you know, what the final invoice was and you know what the net amount of the money
that we would return to fall meeting. And then now that I have a town meeting booked, I need to refer to, you know, the pages in the town meeting book. So those are really everything that's yellow, you know, is dependent on finishing things up and getting the town meeting book. But everything else, unless I hear from you guys that you wanna make edits and then the very last page, which is page eight appendix, a summary of changes to the town of Natick chart or bylaw special legislation.
That's really Paul's discussion. So, right. Speaker 1: And I actually, I would take that out of this report 'cause this report's really just a report on the articles that we have to on the fall town meeting warrant. Speaker 2: Right. So what do you guys wanna do with what I wrote the draft report for fall annual town meeting 2025. Do you wanna individually read it and you know, send me any feedback? I clearly will fill in our final meeting, the invoice, the final amount of return to town meeting and the pages in the finance committee book that are referencing the work that we did for our motions.
Speaker 4: That's the one that you sent out just prior to the meeting sent. I'm gonna run outta Speaker 1: Time. No, no, no, no, no, that is not, that's a different report, Bob. Speaker 4: Oh, Speaker 1: Okay. That's a different report. Speaker 4: I will have to give you, I have to go back report. When did you say October? What? October 2nd. Speaker 1: October 2nd. Speaker 2: The date of the report is October 2nd. The, the email that I sent Okay. Is, and I can just resend it to you if that's what you need me to do. I, I'd have to go back and see when I sent this. Speaker 4: I'll go back and look. You, you did enough to write it and send it the first time.
So Speaker 1: What with without objection, I'm gonna make a suggestion is that anyone who has comments, Chris, you probably need to get them by tomorrow. Speaker 2: I do. I get Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. So could you get your com any comments to Chris by close by five o'clock tomorrow if you've got them the report. It's actually a short, you know, it's, it's a short read and you know, and that page on the charter changes, I would just, I would delete that. That's my, that was my only change. Speaker 2: I did, I did delete that. Alright. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 4: Yeah, I I've got a bunch of stuff, piles of stuff here printed out. Apparently I didn't print that.
I got minutes, I got all the stuff from the town clerk. I got your thing, but I don't have that. Speaker 1: So if if, if we're, if we can move on with from that report, Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sorry, vote the report. Speaker 1: But I, I not if we, if there I said without objection. Okay. So if there is, if, if there, if there's an objection then we'll vote it. But if we have no objection then it's, I think people will get their comments to you and you then you send it on to Jeff. Right. Not seeing any objection. Speaker 2: I have one more question related to the report,
but it's the oral report. Is it un should it be discussed under this before we go to your Sure. Okay. So, so you know my, I'm expecting my oral report to be short, but as Paul indicated, the town meeting time motions that were all voted by finance committee 13 0 0 are gonna be in the consent agenda. And then when it's time for Article 30, even though that's our, was also in the consent agenda, we're gonna be allowed to give our report when
Article 30 comes up. So then I would give the report and I would be talking just briefly about what's in the consent agenda. And I just wanted to know if you guys would agree with that. Jeff really wants people to make sure they know like even though those motions are in the consent agenda, he wants to make sure people kind of understand it. And I guess it's also in the finance committee book, which I also haven't read because I was away. I will tell you that my husband Bob thinks that because it's in the consent agenda, I shouldn't say anything about the town meeting time work,
which I feel like I don't agree with that. But I wanted to get your, the committee's opinion. Speaker 3: I think that, I think you have to mention it because that's what we spent some time on. And I think that you just, excuse me, have to say part of what you voted on on the consent agenda included the following that we took some time to just to, to indicate that we spent some time, if not, it looks like we did nothing. Speaker 2: Okay. So I don't have to spend a lot of time on it. I can reference what's in the, the finance committee book,
but just that, you know, this was work that we did and, and the motions that were in the consent agenda we thought were important. Speaker 1: Bob, do you have a question there? No, Speaker 4: I, I was just sitting there thinking by the time you're talking about this, they will have already voted it anyway, so Speaker 2: Right. Speaker 4: So you don't need to really say a lot about it because it's it's done. You just have to mention it. Yeah. Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Jess had to mention so be Speaker 1: Well no, I, I actually wanna weigh in a little bit on this. I actually think you need to mention it with, you know, you don't need to go into a lot of detail, but you need to mention it with enough specificity
that people understand what's now gonna be in place in the bylaws because it, you know, they will have already voted it, but if somebody has a real major objection, they could move reconsideration or they could, you know, put an article on the spring warrant to make an alteration. And the other reason I think it's important to explain what those changes were, even though they will have been voted hopefully under the consent agenda, is it actually changes the bylaws, right? And it, it changes the bylaws the way town in regard to
how town, meaning how representative town meaning functions, right? So they, so people need to know that there will be, you know, a, you know, they, some of the words get changed, but, you know, key things. We did not have a floating open-ended reference to any version of town meeting time. We fixed it to, we named the most recent edition, we changed the thing about dissolution, right? Right. So there were, there was, you know, the, you know, you, you couldn't just, you know, dissolve
unless the article had been, you know, acted upon. There were a couple of, you know, we, there were other things relative to, you know, the finance committee committee's, public hearing that, you know, the new version, you know, twisted the way our existing bylaw works because our bylaw depended on the way the old town meeting time was word worded and they changed the underlying town meeting time. So we had to make modifications so that, just so that people understand that, you know, that they, in, in essence, the bylaws been changed in such a way that town meeting doesn't really change,
Speaker 2: Right? We, we, the things that we put forward are to maintain our current practices that we can satisfy with. Yes. So, Speaker 1: But I think it just to let people know that, so, okay. Speaker 2: I, I appreciate Speaker 4: I don't think it should be able to like touch because at this 0.0 Speaker 1: Yeah, we wanna get out of there. Yeah, Speaker 4: We wanna get out of there. They've already voted it. We don't want somebody to decide, oh, we don't want Mike with all due deference, Michael Lenihan to stand up and say, oh, most of a Speaker 1: Bob, Bob, you know, a a previous speaker, the Speaker 4: Previous speaker, we have to reopen the thing. I'm like, oh my god, what? Alright,
Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in agreement. I appreciate the feedback. Right. Touch. Speaker 1: Alright, so, alright, so, alright, we're, we're being recorded here, so I know with that, I actually want move on and move back to item four C. One of the, it's an action that we kind of need before the, the special act would come back into the town to be voted. And Chris, can I share, if I share my screen, does it share a specific document or do I have to indicate the document? Speaker 2: Well if you have a, you, you have to indicate the document.
If you have multiple documents on your screen or whatever. Do you have two screens? Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a couple of screens open. So well try one and see what happens. Yeah, I'm gonna try that. So it's much easier. I know how to do it on WebEx. I I'm, I'm not good at doing it on Speaker 2: You want your original report, right? Speaker 1: No, no, no. The the thing I'm looking for if we can get it is that thing that I just sent out recently for reference, that two page word document,
lemme see if oh called, you know, an Article seven section six Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah. Speaker 1: And I'm trying to, I'm trying to get it, I, so that I can, Speaker 2: I I opened those up. I just have so many documents open. Speaker 1: Yeah, so do I Oh yeah, I, here I can get it there. There we go. All right. Can everybody see what I've got up on the screen? Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Speaker 1: But if you can Speaker 2: Make it bigger in any way, that would be, yeah, Speaker 1: Yeah, I can try and make it a little bit bigger. Okay, so this is the charter section. This part right here is the charter section that deals with the charter and bylaw review committee.
And the, one of the key phrases that was in there is subcommittee shall review the provision of the charter and bylaws and make a report with recommendations to the town meeting on any amendments or revisions which may be necessary or desirable. And I said, bothering me for a couple of weeks that this says to the town meeting, it does not say to the representative town meeting. Right. It also said we had to make a, an initial report, not more than 10 months following the date
right when we did that. But when you, so when we, one of the things that just, it was in the back of my mind was when I first got on the finance committee in like 1999, there was all this clarification about there's the town meeting and there's the representative town meeting. So the representative town meeting is the 180 people who meet the spring and the fall and then the specials. But the, the town meeting is also the March election. And when you actually look in the bylaws, I'm gonna scroll down to it,
I just copied these into the document. Annual town elections and town meetings, right? Is what that, you know, that says, this first part says the town election, officially known as the annual town meeting for the election of town officers. And the determination of all questions by ballot right, is held on a Tuesday in March when we think about what, so we actually, there are four types of town meetings. There's this thing, which is the annual town meeting,
then there is the spring annual town meeting, but that's the representative town meeting, spring annual, there's the representative town meeting, you know, in, in the fall. And then there are special town meetings. So there are really four, you know, different kind of like subcategories under town meeting. I went back and forth on this then thinking about this and what, so if the all questions determine by ballot, this special act thing will ultimately, if it passes the Senate and the governor signs, it will be a question
to be decided by ballot. And we owe a report to the town meeting, meaning that annual town meeting and we won't be in business when that election happens. That's why I wrote that 14 page document. So this, I'm just setting the background for this. The, you know, the, as to why I did that co more comprehensive report on all of the charter changes. I think we were, we were in front of representative town meeting in fall of 23 special of spring of 24 in the fall of 24. And there were a number of motions that were, you know, were made at each one of those meetings.
And we gave kind of like little update reports to the representative town meetings in the fall or the spring. But we've never pulled together anything comprehensive. And that's what that can I, how do I stop sharing? I just hit stop. Can I, can I stop sharing this? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Okay. That's why I pulled together that larger document because it dawned on me if the charter's saying we've gotta do a report or we should do a report with recommendations to the town meeting, it makes sense the voters
and the people that actually are gonna vote this stuff. And so who's gonna give them a report that tells 'em what it is. And so that's why I drafted that much longer document. And I only discussed the things that passed. So if you remember the fall of 23, we had motions A through amendments, A through U, no Q and we and motions A through I got voted and the others got referred. Then we came back in the spring and we had motions one through 12, right? Yeah. And then right. And then we came back in the fall and we had motions, you know, one and two and the, OR motions A and B, right?
So it was amendments A through, you know what A through R then it was motions one through 12, then it mo was motions A and B. The things that passed were motion, were amendments A through I motions, I think it was one through 12. And then motions A and B. And so what I did, I went back and looked at the, the vote certs and the meeting minutes on every one of the votes went back through my notes and I tried to light or write a little summary of what each one
of those changes was intended to do. Speaker 4: Yep. Right. Speaker 1: And what, what, we can do this anyway, the committee wants to, you know, to, you know, to go through this. We can spend a lot of time tonight grinding through this. There are like 22 votes. There are 22 things that need to be explained. Or you can, we can do a high level walkthrough on it and have another meeting next week or we can do a high level walkthrough. And I just go through just as a quick, quick reminder, oh, this is what motion amendment A was and right.
And just to give everybody kind of like a refresh and we could, you know, as a committee, you, you all can and we all can decide that you can email your comments to, to Chris and she and I can meet and finalize and incorporate those with your consent to then just issue it. But if you, if you want to have a long meeting tonight, we can have it. If you have another meeting next week, we can have it. Or if you want to do the, the, that third approach, we can do that. Speaker 4: I like the third approach here, here,
Speaker 1: Harriet, Speaker 4: I have no, I think I thought tonight was final. So, Speaker 1: Well, so Chris, can you put that document up on the screen? Not the one with the red lines or the original one I sent you? Or do you want me just do Speaker 2: That? Want the one that you sent me? Lemme just see what I Speaker 1: Put. AI is funny sometimes AI just completely, it's got its own style and it just rewrites the thing. Like, Speaker 2: So what what I, what I, lemme put it up and then I'll explain what I did. I basically was going Speaker 1: Back No, no, I don't, I don't want it to please avoid the Speaker 2: Red light.
No, I wanna point your report. I know that. Okay, Speaker 1: Thanks. Speaker 2: I wanna Speaker 4: See, but now you are doing this to meet the requirement in the, Speaker 1: In the charter charter Speaker 4: For us, us to do this at the annual town meeting slash election, which is next March, Speaker 1: Right? So what I'm, what I'm, we, when, when this fall to annual town meeting dissolves, we are no longer a committee and we can all get together and have a nice barbecue and we don't need to post it as a meeting because we're done, right? We're not, we don't have to do all of this, you know,
this zoom stuff, right? So, 'cause everybody on this committee has done a lot of hard work and it's been, you know, almost three years, right? We were at this 23, 24 and even and the, you know, to, to most of 25. The, the idea here is that before we go out of business, we would put into, we would actually write this thing on all of these charter changes that have made their way into the special act. So that if so, and then just submit it on file to the town clerk, right? And they, if they want to, they can post it up on the,
we can post it up on the, on the, the website. The, the administration has a habit of when the committee goes out of business, they take the website down. But we can talk to them about that. But the, the, the idea here is that we, there are no more charter changes coming. The special act is what it is. It's like on the, you know, it's on the cusp of like going to the Senate to be voted. It's already been voted by the house. And we have an opportunity to just explain to people what it is. So, and then it's on file as of like, hopefully next week
that people can access it if they want come March. That's the, that's the thought process, Bob. Speaker 4: Gotcha. Speaker 2: Can you see what I have on the screen? Yes. I made it 200%. Speaker 4: Looks like the document in front of me. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it probably is. So the, the idea here was that we'd have a brief introduction. I was gonna add a, a quote from the charter provision and then I was also going to quote, you know, the annual town meeting part of the bylaw. That's kind of in the first paragraph. And I believe our recommendation since we supported all
these things in the first place, is that we recommend, you know, that, that this special act get approved. The, I think we probably need, if we can scroll down a little bit, we probably need a little bit of background on, you know, what the special act is and it's a consolidated thing. And it went through, you know, we had 80 plus meetings. We have to get that got a blank space for that. The fin com had I, I don't know, but I think they had like 15 public hearings. Maybe it was only 12 town meeting was there for, you know, considered these things over I think five nights.
And then there was a list of votes by every, you know, I, you know, I've got all of the votes that we could insert and then we, the special council, you know, reviewed every one of these changes. So did town council, then it went to the legislature, the house council, senate council reviews it, it had hearings up at, up on Beacon Hill. And you know, that's just a little bit of the background and then why the special act was used versus other methods. I was gonna write a little thing that said some of these things are actually interrelated, right? You, you wanted to consider them discreetly and that's what town meeting did.
But there were some things that you wouldn't wanna do unless other things passed. And you know, the, the alternative was to put 22 separate questions in front of the voters, run the risk that one of them doesn't, you know, doesn't, you know, pass. And then there are other things that have to be done by this method, right? You can't change the appointment or the term of the town administrator, the method of appointment or the method of electing or appointing town meeting members. There are certain things that you can't do by that.
You know, the, the more traditional method, two thirds vote of town meeting, you know, goes to the ag, then goes directly to the voters. There's some, there were some categories that were off limits and we had to deal with those. So I was gonna do a little brief explanation on that. There's a plug in there for this. Yeah. Speaker 2: Instead of you doing that, could you reference the fact that that was written up in other reports? Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, we, I thought about doing that, but they, the, the problem is, and that makes somebody go chase down that other report. I was thinking about a bibliography kind of at the end
of other things that they could see. But I wanted, you know, I wanted this thing to, I thought this thing should be reasonably self-contained, right? It's just, there was this thought process, but lemme just walk through, if we can scroll through this. The, the first motion that was up, well, not, wasn't amendment A. The very first motion was to place the form of the ballot question on the floor, right? And then Chris had to make all those amendments. The reason we had to do that is that the, the, the, the finance committee was struggling with, they'd never really seen anything like this. So the, what I had asked them to consider doing
was vote favorable action on the first motion, then vote favorable action on amendment A and then amendment B or addition, right? And they were like, they'd already closed their public hearing and they wouldn't let me tell them that. So we had to do it this way. So the first thing that put way back in October of 23, first thing that did was put the form of the ballot question on the floor of town meeting. And then the amendments were made and discussed separately. The first one, amendment A and I sent everybody the, the minutes
and the vote certs from on each of these. We, we did a global change of the title of town administrator to town manager. The reason was town manager's a stronger recruiting title, right? Then in amendment B, that's where we change the, the, the, some of the process around filling. I think Speaker 4: There's also the scope of the job. Special counsel said yes, the scope of the job is a town manager. When you look across the state versus administrator, Speaker 1: Well actually you, you're right Bob. And so if you, that, if you make that one of your,
we can make a note on that here. But the, you, you can also make that a comment that you send to us if we're gonna go that if you send comments to Chris and I and then we just, we we can just finalize this thing. It's a good ob great observation. I'm sure that I left stuff out 'cause IC I'm not sure I remember it at all. But amendment B was, remember we had this issue with, you know, we, we elect representative town meeting members, but then when there are vacancies, they get filled by appointment or caucus. And the appointment process is you take the runner up from the last election. And historically it's been the elected town clerk that did that.
But when we made the town clerk a couple years ago, an appointed job versus elected, it really didn't make sense to have the town administrators appointee appointing town, you know, meeting members. So we changed it. That said, we're now gonna have the moderator and the clerk involved, but it's the elected moderator who actually makes the appointment. And the process actually kind of gets stronger because there are two people involved in it, right? There's, it's not just one person doing it anymore. So that's what amendment B was. So Amendment C dealt with the quorum,
but then in the fall of 29, we pulled that out. So I didn't spend much time on it, right? So the next thing that was up was amendment D. And that was just strengthening the requirement that articles that are sponsored by town boards or citizens are not simply just received by the select board, which is all our charter says. The select board receives them. We actually said they have rece this changes, they receive them and they place them on the, on the warrant. And we also made that definition of an eligible multi-member body. So that ad, you know, all sorts of ad hoc study committees
that get created by separate boards have to, that are not created by town meeting or not, and a lot elected by the voters. They actually need to report to the board that APO report them to do the study, you know, in order to get an article sponsored so the warrant doesn't get cluttered. And I think Amendment E was dealing with that, this whole employee attendance at town meeting, right? We, we have a thing that says a representative of every town agency has to attend every session
of the representative town meeting and a town meeting, I'm sorry, a town agency is every board committee, commission department division or office individual office person of the town. And that means that every one of them has to be sending a representative. So like the DPW doesn't simply send the DPAW department head, they have to send the highway, you know, you know, division head, they have to send the water sewer division head, they have to send the LFNR division head. They've, they've all gotta be there. And you know, it's so, it's, it's crazy. So we changed it so that the, we recommended a change
that the moderator could ski, you know, could, you know, tell people when they needed to show up so that they didn't need to waste their time. They put in a full day and then they have to spend a full evening at town meeting when nothing is involving them is coming up. And that the moderator would have contact information so that if something did come up unexpectedly, which has happened a couple times, there's a question, the moderator can actually pause the meeting in place, a phone call and, you know, tell somebody and, and get the answer. So that's what amendment E was all about.
People remember that one? Oh, yes. Okay. Now these were the Speaker 4: Christmas bulbs we're putting on the tree, Speaker 1: Right? So Amendment F is the one that said, you know, we've got this provision in the charter for elections, but then we have this whole, you know, thing that says if you have too many candidates such that you won't be, you know, you if you have to elect one person, if you only have two candidates, then you'll, whatever happens at the election, somebody's gonna get a majority likely to get a majority. But if you have three candidates
or four candidates who, who are running for one office, we have this whole thing in our charter about preliminary elections. And what we did is we actually said, you know, we don't know what the state will ever do with rank choice voting, but if they ever make it applicable to the town, we can skip over all of those preliminary elections because otherwise we, and otherwise, if, imagine that you had four candidates running for one, you know, one office and our charter says, and the law, the state says you use rank choice voting,
we'd still force people through a preliminary. It's kind of, it, it the, you know, if you go the route of rank choice voting, you wanna bypass, you know, preliminaries. But if you don't have rank choice voting, you, you, you go with the preliminaries. And rather than eliminate the preliminary election language, we just said for any office that they make preliminary elections, the law, then we skip over the preliminary. That's, that's all amendment F did. Amendment G was the coordination provision, right?
This is the one where the previous moderator said, you know, this had been a little bit of an issue in the past being, you know, pressured as to who to appoint to fin com or this committee or not, you know, don't appoint this person, appoint that person or don't call on this person at town meeting kind of thing. The coordination provision could actually be read a little bit more broadly. I mean it's supposed to, you know, say down in the second paragraph, under G notwithstanding their election by the voters, the town offices in this section shall be subject
to call a select board of the town administrator for reasonable times, da da da da. And although it, it seems to, and really only should apply to the elected officers, the wording could be read as to apply to all of the officers named in article three, which includes the school superintendent and teachers and school principals and a whole bunch of, you know, like the director of health who's actually appointed by the, the, the board of health. So there were just reasons to, there were lots of reasons to say, you know, let's make
that call when there's actual real business to discuss joint or overlapping areas. And by the way, the select board overlaps with everybody in town because they're the chief of the entire executive branch. So that was amendment G. So the select board can call, you know, you know, pretty much anybody the not so the town administrator though, then Amendment H was the one that said, let's have the parks and recreation committee come up when they make
recommendations on recreational and park matters. They don't just simply make them to the town administrator, they also make them to the select board. 'cause the select board are arguably the parks commissioners. So, and then that was it for what passed at fall 23 town meeting. The rest of it was referred back to us, right? So it was no amendment queue. So the, but then in the special right motion one, which I think is on the next page, motion one updated the form of the ballot question
to say it'll include the things voted at the special town meeting. Then motion two was the whole idea of dealing with the deputy creation of the deputy moderator provision. Yeah. That, that was, that that whole discussion. So that where the elected moderator can appoint a deputy moderator because it used to used to be the elected town clerk. But when we, when the charter was changed a couple years back to make the town clerk an appointed position, the town clerk's standby role or backup role to preside over a town meeting was removed
that it was, you know, the, the appointed town clerk does is does not preside over a town meeting. So the deputy moderator, the, the motion two is the deputy moderator motion three was the one that dealt with the removal or suspension of the town administrator or the town manager. So under the, the current charter, it's a two thirds or or a super majority to remove or suspend the town administrator. But you've got five members, so that means you need four out of five. And that's, you know, that's actually four fifths,
not two thirds, you know, three out five is 60%. So it's short. But then the requirement that all five select board members must be present makes it a de facto unanimous thing because all one person has to do is not show up on purpose or you know, in, you know, inadvertently or leave and, you know, it's like one person can veto what four other people wanna do. So we change this to be, hey, if it's a majority to a point, it can be a majority to remove,
but you don't dare wanna do this without adequate notice to and an opportunity for every select board member to attend. So that's the, that that, that was what that change was all about. I think that was motion three. Motion four is on articles, lots of stuff in Article four and five where this was basically a giant gender cleanup because loaded throughout, and it was almost in every sentence he shall, he shall his office people who report to him, right?
And he shall, he shall submit, right? You know, his report shall say, right? If in describing the town administrator and rather than co you know, you know, I I I was trying to count 'em up, but I actually got, you know, when I got over 24, I just said I'll leave a blank space for all those references to he, him and his. And it was actually just easier to rewrite the section with the wording revised to get rid of that gender language. So, which makes sense because I think half the town administrators we've had of them women, okay,
so motion five, this deals with changing the town organization. So article six of the charter is titled Administrative organization and it specifies that there are two ways that the town gets organized into departments or town agencies. One is a bylaw vote at town meeting, a representative town meeting, and the other is an administrative code or administrative organization chart prepared by the town manager. And it also says the structure of these departments and can be changed by either of these methods.
And that can include creating a new one, splitting them, merging them, or getting rid of them. And they're both equal. That it makes sense that the bylaws, which are, you know, superior to anything else in the town, the, the charters first than the bylaws. That the bylaws would actually have greater weight than the administrative code. But our charter actually doesn't say that it gives the administrative code and the bylaws equal standing. And so what motion five did was to make clear that the bylaws take precedence if there's a conflict.
So that was, that was, that was motion five. Motion six was dealing with articles sections charter section 6 3, 6 4 and six five. These were the ones that contained the job descriptions, the duties, the qualifications, you know, the, you know, the job descriptions, et cetera of the comptroller, the assistant comptroller, the treasurer collector, the treasurer, the collector, the assistant treasurer collector, and the town clerk. And all these, you know, positions are appointed and their job descriptions actually belong in the bylaws,
you know, you know not up in the charter. And it, you know, when they're in the charter, it makes it really hard to change, right? If there's a new requirement that comes out or, you know, for an assistant treasurer, right? You know, you, you have to change the charter. So what motion six did was delete them, get rid of 6 3, 6 4 and six five and, but park 'em in a transition Pro PO provision that says they, they all of this job description stuff and all these, you know, duties
and all these, you know, positions stay in place until a bylaw gets created that takes over and right. So that's what, what, what motion six did. Motion six by the way also creates the room for a new article six three and a new article six four. Okay? So let's go to, and we, we, we'll, we'll see that coming up in a minute. Motion seven, that was at the special town meeting made clarifications to the select board appointment
of the town manager under Article three two. So if you remember, the current charter says that the select board appoints a town administrator for a term of not less than three years and not more than five. And they have to do it in accordance with Article six of the charter. But there's nothing in Article six of the charter about the town administrator. So that kind of like didn't make sense. So, and we also, we had this discussion about, you know, this minimum three year requirement can actually get in the way. And the select board is actually, you know, fairly supportive of this.
Because what if they have a great candidate who only wants to work another two years and there's a need in town and somebody says, says, this is where I wanna finish my career, but then I retire. And that person's got all the skills that you need to, you know, to, you know, for the, you know, the next two, the next two years, whether it's in finance or union negotiations or operations, it doesn't matter. But somebody who doesn't want a three year contract right now, you have to say no to them. You say you sign a three year contract and we can't hire you. So the one of the things
that you, you also might be boxed out of somebody might be a very, very promising but not quite fully experienced, you know, not, not a lot of experience yet as a town, a town manager maybe only want to hire 'em for a year or two and see how it goes, right? That's a, so it gives a select board some negotiating flexibility. And it also said that when you go beyond three years, you need a two thirds vote. This got into the whole dis you know, if you, you remember the discussion with Paul Durso that talked about, you know, if you make you make a mistake
with a town administrator, a town or net town manager hire, they're very hard to get rid of e even if you, even if you didn't have our four fifths vote and de facto unanimous requirement in our current charter, and that what most select boards do is they just wait out the contract, they just suffer with it and, right. So yes, and Kara said, yes we did. Right? And Kara, Kara said the same thing. So the, the idea here was if you're gonna go beyond three years, you better get, you know, more than just a simple majority
of the select board on, on board. It's also a bit of a negotiating thing where you can offer somebody, even an exceptional candidate, you can offer them the five. So I think that was motion seven. Motion seven I believe also moved a whole bunch of it. You know, so the existing article three, two of the charter not only mentions the town manager or town administrator, it also mentions the ZBA, the registrar of, you know, voters or some other com conservation commission.
Those are multiple member boards, but it also member mentions a whole bunch of individuals. The comptroller, the police chief, the fire chief, you know, there's a, there are a whole bunch of like the director of veteran services, that stuff. We moved into a brand new article six three because we kinda have this weird thing where we have one section of the charter that talks about the administrative organization, which is really for referring to the day-to-day operating departments. It's not referring Article six doesn't refer to the citizen volunteer committees. And we've got some things that relate
to the administrative organization in Article six. And we have a whole bunch of other things that relate to the administrative organization that were under Article three. We just cleaned it up to move, move the individual stuff under Article six three. Okay? Then motion eight is a catchall on gender references. If you recall in the charter, there is a, an existing clause somewhere in, in, in Article seven of the charter that says references to, you know, he him or, or should be read like, you know, should be read,
he, she, et cetera. And we just, we just cleaned that up to make it neutral and also to fix anything that we might have missed. We think we caught 'em all in, in the charter, but we're not a hundred percent sure. So motion nine. In article seven of the charter, we have this requirement that whenever a position becomes vacant is expected to become vacant or moves up to a, an expiration of a fixed term, you have to advertise the position. So like we appoint the, the DPW director
or you know, for three years the director of assessing for three years, the treasurer collector for three years. They're appointed for like three years at a time. And the idea is that, you know, they, you don't have people appointed for 10 years and then you have a new town administrator come in. You have to like keep the organization manageable for the administrator. That's why the, the, the department heads usually have, you know, three to five year appointments. But we have a crazy charter provision that says you get to the expiration of their, their appointment contract, they're doing a great job. We have to say pause, right?
You know, we, we really like you, but we have to go advertise for your position. And so, and see who the best candidate is to show up. And the charter literally talks about soliciting replacements, you know, who are highly qualified, right? Or soliciting people who are highly qualified. What we did with in motion nine was to say that does not apply to compensated positions in town that you know, when it gets to the end of the fixed term, you don't have to advertise the job if it's a compensated position unless the position is vacant
or is becoming vacant 'cause the person's leaving. You always have the option to to, to do it, but you don't have this mandatory requirement. So, but the citizen, you know, volunteer committees in order to, you know, always be encouraging citizens to apply and be involved. Those committee appointments, when you get to the end of a term and there's a vacancy, yeah, you do advertise. So I don't, that's what one of the things that we fixed in motion. Nine people remember that one. Right? Motion 10. Motion 10. Motion motion 10.
This was the one that, you know, it makes this subtle, but you know, in some instances it would've been significant change in the wording that the charter right now says the select board quote shall serve as the chief policymaking town agency. And that, or I'm sorry, the, the charter right now says the shall that it's in the second line, right? The current language shall serve as the chief policymaking agency of the town. There have been times when, and they're not the current board, so, but the boards in the past and town administrators in the past say, well
that doesn't say that the select board's a town agency. It says they're the chief policymaking agency. So they make all the decisions. Town meeting doesn't, town meeting doesn't do anything, right? Doesn't make you can't make any policy decisions. And that's, there's legislative policy, there's executive policy. So what this did is just change the wording that says that the select board shall serve as the chief policymaking town agency, right? So among all the agencies it's chief, you know, but the, the, the definitions in the charter make it clear that everything in town is a town agency except the
representative town meeting. So that was just a little language fix motion 11 deals again with the appointment of the town administrator, you know, for a term you know, of up to, you know, three years and a, a higher quantum of vote, you know, if it's beyond three years. And the reason for doing that is the charter already has the process for hiring the town administrator or town manager. It's some, whoever wrote this before we got involved, literally put it in two places. It's the same requirement. It's in Article three two and it's in Article four one.
And if you recall we had discussion about let's get rid of one and keep the other. But then we also had discussion as says, if people see it disappear from one, they might think it's disappearing entirely. So we just made, he said it's already in both places, we'll just fix it in both places. All right. Motion 12 was the charter change on the definition of local newspaper. Right? And that was it at the special town meeting. And then motion a of fall of 2024
was to undo the amendment on the quorum. Right Chris? I think that's a little further down, right? Motion a just basically remove the quorum change from the special act. And then there's a typo here. The last line should say motion B updated the form of the text, of the ballot question to include the changes at fall town meeting. And that's it. Speaker 4: Well Speaker 1: That's a what That's all I remember anyway. Where Bob, go ahead. Speaker 4: I was thinking wasn't there some stuff that we did
after this A and B, like the, the police chief and the dog and those are bi those are bylaws. Speaker 1: Those were bylaws. Oh, Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. Right, right, right, right. Yes. Right. Nevermind. Speaker 1: So what I would like to suggest is people, you know, take, you know, a couple days to read this and if you can get comments back to, you know, send them individually, don't send them to copy everybody. 'cause that creates an open meeting issue. But if you could send me
or Chris the comments, we could, you know, with your permission, you'd have to authorize it tonight, but with, you know, your permission, we could finalize it or we can have another meeting next week and we can go through and fly back all the wording. What do people wanna do? Speaker 3: Motion a Speaker 4: Without objection. Speaker 1: Okay. So I agree, but all right, thank you. So it's, I actually would be, you know, in order to really make this the committee's report, I'm gonna take that as a motion made by Harriet
and seconded by, was it Bob or Saul? Speaker 4: Either Bob. Speaker 1: Bob. Bob. All right Bob, to where everyone will individually send their comments to Chris, right? And then Chris and I will finalize this report, which will then go out, as you know, and on file with the, with the town clerk as the report of the charter and bylaw review committee. Speaker 3: And I make one suggestion, Speaker 1: Certainly Speaker 3: I think in addition to the town clerk, it should go to the town moderator. Speaker 1: Okay. Happy to do that.
So we've got this motion. Harriet, it's your motion. How do you vote? Speaker 3: Yes, Speaker 1: Bob? Speaker 3: Yes, Speaker 1: Saul? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: And I'm a yes. Tell Speaker 2: Me again what the question is Speaker 1: With a who, Speaker 2: What's the motion? In Speaker 1: The motion was that people will send their, they'll review this and send their comments to you. Okay. By next, I think it was next, you know, Tuesday or Wednesday. And then you and I will meet and finalize this thing on behalf of the committee
and that is passed five zero and that will be the committee report. So I think that takes care of item C. Chris, do, do you have social media updates on the special act? I don't know what Speaker 2: He just put that because I just thought that, you know, once we've disbanded, we have to continue to keep, like assuming that the, you know, the governor signs this and then it's on the ballot. I just thought that committee members, if they, you know, were active on Facebook could put messages, you know, on the town meeting, you know, page or, or whatever.
I, I just thought that, you know, if the committee was thought to be engaged, you know, we can be making individual comments to make sure people are aware what the resources are for educating themselves about the ballot question. Speaker 1: Okay. Alright. But that's actually not, that's something people can do individually. Yes. It's, that's, that's not something that we would do No. As Speaker 2: A committee, I just, I just because I I it's just a comment that individuals could do. Correct. Speaker 1: Okay. Alright. So we can move to item six. We do have some outstanding invoices. Mrs.
Duris did a couple of hours work here. You know, there over the, you know, the, the, the course of the summer, I sent that out. I believe that is the last invoice with, right? I don't want that. So, Speaker 3: So how much are we actually returning? Speaker 2: I'll have that be in just a second. You wanna see the invoice? Speaker 1: I emailed it around to everybody And Speaker 2: Do you want me to put it up or not? Speaker 1: If we need to, does everybody have it? Speaker 3: Yes. Yep. Speaker 2: So this in, i, this invoice is for $3,437 and 70 cents Speaker 3: 37.
Speaker 2: So the net return to the town free cash account is $50,264 and 67 cents. So the additional 75,000 that they gave us were returning 50,000 back. We, we got 75,000 from the finance committee fund, Speaker 3: The A-C-B-R-C. Speaker 1: Okay. So anybody have a motion on the invoice? Speaker 3: I move pay the invoice. Speaker 1: 34, 3430 Speaker 3: $7 and 70 cents. Speaker 1: Moved by Saul, seconded by Bob.
Any other motions? We'll vote this. Speaker 3: Good question. Have we voted the previous one? Speaker 1: No. Okay. None of none of the things that are in this balance have ballot balance have been voted. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 1: Okay. And by the way, even if we did, the comp controller wouldn't pay it. She actually looks at these things. She would say you already paid that. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 1: She, she won't double pay bills so Speaker 3: Good for her, Speaker 1: Right? No, she's right. Okay. Speaker 2: The motion, Speaker 1: So the motion was for the balance. Speaker 2: Who moved it? Speaker 1: Oh, Saul. Seconded by Bob.
So we'll vote this. Saul? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Bob? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Harriet? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: And I'm a Yes. That is 5 0 0. Okay then Chris, I think, do you have something on committee comments or the charter and bylaw webpage? Something Speaker 2: Our last Oh yeah, I wanted to say something about the charter and bylaw committee webpage on the Tom website. So I was in communication with
the communications director 'cause I was letting him know, you know, that when we wrap up we won't need the Zoom anymore. But I wanted to make sure that our bylaw committee was maintained until the election. And he said, well, once committees, you know, are, you know, are are disbanded, then their material gets archived. And so then I made the point that, you know, we need this to stay up in case people want, you know, references related to, so he did agree, but then I also, and I also said, you know, we're a moderator appointed committee.
So what the communications director said is he would just stay in communication with the moderator about this. And then when I was meeting with the moderator to do the Pegasus review of our motions, he just said, I'll stay in, I'll be responsible for your webpage. So it's basically under his control. But so what the, the bottom line is that our CBRC website page will remain active, which will then keep our reports active and then the meeting and the meetings
and agenda, you know, the meeting the agenda and minutes section of the website, those will always be up there. They won't get archived. So the, you know, our committee work will be, be accessible to people if they want to read, you know, more than just our reports related to the ballot. Speaker 1: Okay. Alright. Speaker 4: Good. Speaker 1: We have something here for a committee member comments. I think we've been doing that all along as we go through each Speaker 2: Of this.
I know, I just thought that if people wanted to say anything, you know, at the end, I, I just would like to thank everybody for their work. And I will thank, you know, Tom meeting and my oral report for, you know, all their work that they did to, you know, support our efforts. Speaker 1: Well that's everybody here this evening. And you know, we put in a lot, think back on this, right? We put in a lot of work on this. Been a, it it's been, it's been a lot of work. Not just on the charter, but also on, on the bylaws. You Paul Conley's not here this evening, but, and Donna couldn't make it.
But we also had Bill Preya as a member for Yes. You know, for, you know, who was not, not, not only, you know, a town meeting member, but he was also, you know, a lawyer who had once upon a time served as municipal counsel to another community. This has been a, you know, this has been a very hardworking and you know, I think pretty well-rounded, you know, committee. So Speaker 3: I would also like to thank all of you for allowing me to remain on board when I jump ship. Speaker 2: Oh. I mean, we appreciate that you agreed to stay on. I
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, yeah, I think we're flipping around the other way. Right? We, having you stayed on Speaker 3: It has been a pleasure. I mean, Dan is a special place in my heart. Well, so, well Speaker 1: Thank you Harriet. You're very much appreciated. And we did need that, what was it, last fall? We needed that amendment to the original motion that created the CBRC back in the fall of 22 to, you know, facilitate that. But, but then, then he got reappointed. So, so you could continue. Speaker 3: Well, it's been my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Likewise. Shall we do meeting minutes? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 3: If there are no changes, I make a motion to accept all the outstanding minutes. Second, Speaker 1: That's July 3rd and September 9th. Speaker 2: July 3rd. September 9th. But we have to, we have to, don't you wanna look at the minutes for tonight that I'm writing? Speaker 3: No, but tonight I've lived through them. I don't wanna, Speaker 2: No, I mean I've been, I mean I kind of started, you know, I I I've been typing as we meet,
but I mean, I have tonight's minutes with who's in, who's attended, you know, and the, you know, the votes that we've taken. So, but if you wanna just approve what I'm writing without reading it, that's fine with me. Speaker 1: So I would, if I can suggest, Harriet, if we, you know, we have a motion for, to approve all of the meeting minutes from past meetings. Speaker 3: I, I, I welcome the correction. Speaker 1: Okay. And so that's move and then we'll deal with tonight's and I've got another suggestion. So that's moved by Harriet. Seconded by Bob.
Bob. Oh, no. Yes, Speaker 4: Go ahead. I, yes, but I have a friendly, a amendment to, to Harry's motion on, what is that? July 3rd it says New special counsel should be SEL, not CIL. Speaker 3: Scribner's error. Speaker 4: Scribner's error. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 4: It's Citizen Concern update on special act and take agenda item six out order counsels, EL you're talking about someone who goes counsel versus a body, an organization. Speaker 1: Okay. Shall we vote these past minutes?
Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: All right. Harriet? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Bob? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Saul? Yes. Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: And I'm a Yes. The motion that I would suggest for this evening's minutes is that the, the, we approve the minutes, the, the draft minutes that Chris has prepared, subject to them being emailed out to us. And people can individually email any corrections.
If there is no dispute about a correction, it's, Chris is the secretary gets the correction. If there's no dispute about the correction, the minutes are then finalized for this meeting. If there's a dispute, we gotta meet again. Speaker 3: It's so noted. Okay. Speaker 2: So Speaker 1: That's it. Would anyone like to make that motion? Harriet? Speaker 3: I I made that motion. Speaker 1: Okay. You did? Made by Harriet. Seconded by Saul. The Oh my Speaker 4: God. Harriet, we gonna miss you. Speaker 3: Well, Speaker 1: Right, we hook, we Speaker 3: Can all come down the cat then have a good time with me.
Speaker 1: So, we'll, we'll vote this Harriet? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: Okay. Saul? Yes. Bob? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 1: Okay. Chris? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: And I am a yes. Speaker 2: I just need to make sure I understand. Move that the meeting minutes for this night, October 16th will be Speaker 1: Reviewed. The, the draft, your draft minutes are approved subject to you sending them out to each of us and anyone with a correction emails back to you.
Okay. Right. If it's a, if, if you're in agreement with a correction, so let's say Bob emails, he, he finds something and says, no, that was, there was actually something else. You agree with that? You know, it's, it's done. But if there's a disagreement, then we ought come back and have a meeting and resolve the disagreement. I don't think we've never had a disagreement on the minutes, but we have to allow for the possibility. So that's what we did. Try. I'm trying to avoid another meeting. Yeah. Just for the sake. But then if we had another meeting just to approve these minutes, then we didn't need to do the minutes of that meeting. Right?
Speaker 4: Exactly. Right. Some point we have to cut it off. Right, Speaker 1: Exactly. Speaker 3: Can we finish with the agenda before you call on me to end the meeting? Speaker 1: Yes, Speaker 3: I have a question. We started this whole deal with the assumption that at some point we would all get together to eat or imbibe or whatever, to say that this has been the end of a committee. I realize that it won't happen until after town meeting. I would like to see it happen. I could only ask that perhaps it be held maybe on a Sunday afternoon or something so I can drive and get back
and forth comfortably. But I would like to see it happen. Please. Where do you live now, Harriet? I, I I, I live in Canton. Oh, I thought you were in Florida. No, no, no. Oh, I like this weather. I was wondering why wear a sweater? So it's, I haven't turned down my heat yet. I'm, I'm fighting it. Speaker 1: So Harriet, we're gonna do that, right? Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely are Speaker 1: Gonna do that. We, we definitely have to definitely have to do that. So Speaker 4: That's the key Sunday afternoon. So she can, Speaker 3: I appreciate it if it's possible. Speaker 4: Okay. Yeah, we're definitely gonna do that.
We need to do that after this three of slog that we just gone through here, which Paul just reminded us as he read through the Christmas tree of a to you not not cute and q and all. I thought, oh my god. The first place that you remember all of that. That's, that's unbelievable. And then I can think of all those meetings and I could hear Harry going administrative code. Where is, what is an administrative code? I wanna know what it is. Speaker 3: Never did get a good answer. We Speaker 4: Did get an answer. Speaker 1: It, it's kind of like that Pirates of the Caribbean thing, you know, they have their, the code, the pirate code.
It was like yeah, right, right. It was like nobody knew what it was. Right. So nobody knows what the administrative code is either. But it's, it's that that gives the town and manager the ability to create something and call it the administrative code. Speaker 3: Exactly. No more. Speaker 1: Alright, Harriet, for the, Speaker 3: I move to adjourn. Speaker 1: Motion to adjourn. Moved by Harriet. Second. Second. Seconded by Saul's. Probably seconded by everyone. Before we take the vote on this, I also wanna personally thank all of you
for your hard work and dedication. You know, I, I stopped counting the meetings when I got the in excess of 80, but, but I spent a lot of meetings. We've done a lot of hard work, a lot of behind the scenes work that people have done and I just want to thank you all. It's been a very good c's. Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure. Yeah. Well thanks to your leadership too, Paul and also Chris's work. Chris. Chris has been heavy lifting. She yeah, she's the pillar of this committee. She is us together. The glue. Indeed. Speaker 1: Alright, Harriet, how do you vote on adjournment?
Speaker 3: I vote yes. Speaker 1: Alright. Solve. How do you vote? Yes. Okay. Bob, how do you vote? Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 1: And Chris, how do you vote? Yes, and I am a yes. And we are adjourned.