Speaker 1: Thank you. Calling the meeting of the Native Planning Board to order at 7 0 5. Noting that this meeting is being recorded. It is being broadcast on Pegasus. And for those participating remotely to comment or ask a question, use the raise your hand function. If you're on a phone, press star nine. An individual wishing to speak during public speak or during a public hearing must display their first and last name on their screen before their microphone can be unmuted. To make changes in your name as it appears on the screen in Zoom, click on participants.
To open the participants menu. Hover your cursor over your entry and click on more. Click on rename. And to type in your first and last name. Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a question. Anybody know what the library internet password is? Speaker 1: Mors Library. All over. Speaker 2: Okay. One word. Thank you. Speaker 1: So we've moved now on to first or business, which is public speak. Any individual may raise an issue that is not included on the agenda and it will be taken under advisement by the board. There will be no opportunity for debate during this portion of the meeting. Any individual addressing the board during this section
of the agenda shall be limited to five minutes. Is there anyone wishing to speak under public speak? I seeing none and I don't believe we have anyone remote. Then let us move on into the public hearing se session section of the agenda for development review. And Mr. Meyer, would you read the Speaker 2: On Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025 at 7:00 PM the NA Planning Board will hold a public hearing in the Moores Institute Library at 14 East Central Street, Natick Mass. To review the application of national development. The applicant properties five,
lake Shore Road 2 0 8 North Main Street, two 12 North Main Street, two 14 North Main Street, two 18 North Main Street and two 20 North Main Street Application, special permit assisted living residence and site plan review project construction and operation of an assisted living residence, a LR facility along with associated site improvements, project number PB 25 18. A copy of the application can be reviewed in the Community Economic Development Office on NA's OpenGov website per order on the NA planning chair, Terry Evans, excuse me,
per order of NA planning board, Terry Evans chair. Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We will call the public hearing to order. And I, and I think if we can just start first the preliminaries. Most of you I think know that this is the first of the public hearings on this matter. It, and for those of you who may or may not attend public hearings, it is highly unlikely that any, that everything will be wrapped up in, in Bo this evening. It is, especially given the scale of of the project,
it is a process and I, I always say that because there inevitably is someone who walks away going, so I guess this is not gonna happen or that's going to happen. What happens today is the start, not the end of, of the application. So with that attorney, Speaker 3: Good evening then Chair members of the board Speaker 1: To start with, I'm gonna hand to Kate Snyder, national Development, who Speaker 3: Introduce the team. Great. Hi everyone. Nice feedback. Can you hear me? I'm always bad at this. Is, Speaker 1: Is the light on Speaker 3: The green light? It is on. Okay. Means I'm keep
Speaker 1: Close. Okay, Speaker 3: Great. Well good evening and thank you for having us this evening. I'm joined tonight by Eric Gardner with Benchmark Senior Living. I should introduce myself, Katie Snyder with National Development. I'm here with Kathy Han of Dewey as well as a, a number of our consultants and engineers who've been working with us on this project for the last several years. Actually we have about 40 slides in our deck tonight, but I promise we will be efficient with that. I don't want that to feel scary, but we will work through all of the slides.
But ma, basically our main goal tonight is to make sure that not only the board but the public, those that are here and also on Zoom, get a full flavor of the project and understand it. We know that we won't get to everything tonight like you had just mentioned, but we really wanna make sure that everybody hears what the project is all about and know that we are here to listen and, and also respond to questions as we go along. So with that, I don't know if you're able to go to the next slide just to to, I'll just briefly touch on the agenda. So obviously myself and are welcome.
Kathy will do a nice review of the procedural components, all the legal pieces and the zoning. It'll come back to me to talk through some of the, you know, highlights of the project as well as Eric who's gonna touch on the operations of these types of facilities. And then from there we'll get into the very specific details of site symbol, traffic and landscaping as well as design. So next slide. These are just pretty pictures of our logos just to again, highlight and national development and benchmark partners in this project. And then we have Lang, who's serving
as our site civil landscape and traffic engineer. She the architectural team as our architects vouch and who's not here tonight, but also a big part of our team is Sandborn Head and they provide environmental and geotechnical support and review. Go to the next slide. So Speaker 1: Yeah, just one quick No problem. Up front. I have a copy of the presentation if there are folks in the back of the Speaker 3: Room. Oh, we do have copies. Speaker 1: Yes, Speaker 3: We have more copies. You Speaker 1: Do? Okay. Yeah. But just to let, let folks know that
we can give them the copy so they can follow along without Yep. Squinting, Speaker 3: Looking through the all the things. Yeah, Speaker 4: Thank you. Copies. We our copy. Yep. We have bigger one for me. Yes. Yes. And then Marie, we have some too, right? We actually have bigger ones by 17. Even if it wasn't already sitting there. I'm like we can see we have, well our, oh good. Upstairs portion. Easier. It's hard to see.
Do you guys like a copy? Well definitely take, yes. I'm glad we brought that a copy. Oh this is your copy. I'll take the small one. The small one put, I forget short. I'm sorry. It's helpful. Thank you. I'm glad we brought And Speaker 1: I understand that, that it is also in open gov for those who wants to find it online. Speaker 4: I upload the public editions. Speaker 3: Great. Fantastic.
So a brief, a brief history of national development. We have a sort of a misnomer of a name. We are not very national. We do 90% of our work in Massachusetts. We've been around since 1983. I personally have been with the company for almost 11 years. We're vertically integrated. We do everything from the investment side to development to asset management, property management, construction, and we do all sorts of property types. Everything from office, industrial, mixed juice. But we've also cut our teeth
for a long time now on senior housing and in the, in the senior housing development and operating well we don't operate but development business for the last really since the nineties. We have 32 projects that we've built between here and New York. And one of which is here in in Natick, the avenue at Natick, which is an age restricted development not too far from here. And then joined with, like I mentioned before, Eric Gardner with Benchmark and he'll speak a little bit about benchmark. Okay. Speaker 5: Good evening. Yep. Eric Gardner, benchmark Senior Living. Thank you for hearing us tonight.
Just a brief introduction of who Benchmark is. We are an owner operator of senior housing assets. We have been in business for 28 years. The company was founded by Tom Grape in 1997. He's still the CEO and runs the day-to-day operations of the company. We have a portfolio that stretches from New England down to Washington DC 71 in total communities. We care for about 7,000 seniors across that portfolio every day. I've included in this slide a few awards that we won. I won't go into the details on those, but happy to talk about 'em at some point and desired.
And I did want to just point out our mission, vision and values circle and triangle there. Our purpose statement is transforming lives through human connection. And you might think that our purpose statement would have more to do with housing and real estate, but really human connection is what this is all about. The residents, it's community living and for the residents to join a community and feel cared for and be a part of a, of a community where they be, can be connected with other residents, the staff, their families.
That's what the business is really all about. So I just wanted to point that out. Speaker 3: Thank you. Inside will be quick. He's just kind of highlight visually where we have projects benchmark. Speaker 5: Yeah, two things I just wanted to point out here. This is where our portfolio is and you can see that over almost half of our properties are in Massachusetts. So we have deep experience in operating senior housing in Massachusetts and at the bottom of the screen you can see the different types of product. We have 54 of our 71 buildings are what we call standalone assisted living
and memory care rental communities. And that's what we're proposing here in Natick. So we have deep experience in that aspect of the business as well. Speaker 3: Thanks slide. This is just our, this just represents some of our completed projects in Massachusetts and just showing again national developments reach and experience in senior housing as well. Go the next slide. Speaker 5: So we know we're gonna talk a lot about real estate here and development aspects, but I did want to just touch on the need for senior housing in Natick. This slide covers sort of the national trend
in the demographics in this country. The fastest growing pop population in our country is 85 plus, which is the target market for who is in need of assisted living. One in six people in the United States are 65 and older. That's the population that is most experiencing dementia and Alzheimer's and and memory loss. Today there are 6.7 million people with Alzheimer's disease in this country that's expected to almost double by 2050. So the, a significant increase in the number of people living with memory loss in the next seven years,
they're expected to, the 80 plus population is expected to reach or add 5 million more residents to the population. And I'm sure many people have heard the term silver tsunami, which refers to the baby boomers reaching retirement age. That's 10,000 people a day reaching the age of 65. So that's sort of the national trend. And that trend is happening here locally in Natick as well. Currently there are 6,500 residents in Natick that are over the age of 65. There's only a 174 units of assisted living
and memory care in Natick. And only one of those was built in the last 25 years. So we studied all this. We believe that Natick is an underserved market for senior housing and we believe that this is an opportunity to bring much needed housing that meets the unique needs of of those seniors. Speaker 3: Next slide. Speaker 5: And I also wanted to touch on this site in particular. I've been developing senior housing projects for Benchmark for 10 years now. And invariably the best sites
for senior housing are transitional between residential and commercial uses. And this site really fits the bill for that residential first and foremost because this is a residential use, this is where the seniors are gonna live, this is gonna be their home. So it wants to feel like a residential community and it it needs to be residential in nature. On the flip side of that, it is very helpful to have good access and visibility and have it in a central location. And Speaker 3: Can I just, sorry to interrupt you, but we know that this, this map is not correct.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. We had a little snafu with our graphics department but we know very well where Route nine is and where Route 27 is. So apologies for the, the, the mix up there on our A second I'm thinking is north. I'm like no, no, no, no, no. We know this north is to the right. We know we know it well. We know all the things so just sorry to interrupt you but yeah, no Speaker 5: Worries. Yeah, thank you. So great access is important. It's important for the visitors who want to come to the community. It's important to bring staff to the building 'cause we do need to staff the building
and it's important for the residents to be centrally located so that they can get out of the building and get to the broader community. So this site meets all that criteria, it's residential in nature but it also faces on Route 27 and has great access to both 27 and Route nine. So hands down, I think this is a great location for senior housing. Speaker 3: Walk us through some of the procedural Speaker 1: Components. Yes, thank you Katie and Eric. So on this slide there's a general, well I'll give a general orientation a little deeper to the property. The property is shown here in red
and you know as, as you can see the the east is at the, the top of the page and I mean the west, sorry, west is at the top page, east is at the bottom. The site is approximately eight acres and is situated between Lake Shore Road to the south and Natick Camp Mary Mary Bunker on the north national development has the property under agreement and seeks to develop, redevelop it with the senior with the its senior living partner and under the Natick zoning bylaw,
the development would be an A LR or assisted living residence use the property to be developed would be 116 A LR units and the prop the with the redevelopment the ex one of the existing office buildings would be maintained at the site specifically that is the, the building at two 20 North Main Street that would continue to operate with its current tenants. The property would operate as a two unit business condominium with each use comp
comprising one use with some common area. If we could move to the next slide Amanda, please The, this, this view you see a little closer aerial with the existing buildings visible these and you can see the zoning line which bisects the property to the west or the top of the page of the zoning line is the RSA residential district and below the zoning line is the commercial two district. The, you can also see
multiple red lines within the property which make up the current boundaries of several lots within the property. And you can see the buildings on the property which are currently used for professional offices, a daycare center, a liquor store, and various retail uses. There are two residential uses within the, currently within the property. One is at five Lakeshore, which is the top jut that comes out on the left side on Lakeshore. And the second is on North main Street, which is 2 0 8.
So that property that is on the corner, that is a a tooth chase tooth, yes. Thank you Katie. Yeah, that is not part of the property. And the, so you can see the the, the development is primarily in the C two would primarily be in the C two district, which is where the current development area is. The, the rear portion is about three acres undeveloped and would would predominantly be remaining in it.
Current condition the, you can also see some adjacent residential uses in the the C two district. So if you follow the yellow line over south, there's houses there below that area. So above the yellow line, those houses were in the RSA district. Below the yellow line there're in the C two district. And then you'll also see on the other side of the property on the north side there's a large house with a swimming pool right in the RSA district.
And just to avoid confusion on addresses, there are several street addresses used at the site today. Once developed the applicant plans to use two 10 North Main Street for the A LR facility and would continue to use two 20 North Main for the office building which is going to remain if we go, if we could go to the next slide Amanda. So this is a survey view of the current developed portion of the property more, which well it's, I thought it was a little more clearly showing the buildings.
It's a little faded but I think you can make it out the buildings and a lot of paid area where where as it is today. I'll point out that there are currently six buildings plus one garage located in the C two portion of the property and one small shed which sit, which sits on the zoning line. The property now has five curb cuts, one on Lake Shore two serving the offices near two 20 North Main and two others at 2 0 8 and two 12 North Main Street. Next slide please. This slide
shows the permits requested as part of this hearing which are on the left side and on the, on the right side of the permits and approvals which will additionally be needed. So on the left the the first permit is the special permit for assisted living residences and site plan review and the second permit is the Aquifer Protection District compliance review for an As As of right use. I'll note that the planning board is the special permit granting authority for a LR uses or site plan review in the C two district
and for aquifer protection district for as of right uses on the right, the additional uses and approval not required or a and r endorsement for lot consolidation and property line correction will be requested from the planning board. As noted earlier, the property is currently made up of several SEP separate lots and an A and R will be requested to consolidate those. Also an area on the northern side of the property connected to Camp Mary Bunker needs a property line correction that came up during the applicant's title examination
and we've been discussing that with town staff and town council and we expect that this correction and the consolidation will be handled as an a and r process to be submitted prior to when this hearing closes. So that at the end of this hearing you would have both the a and r endorsement request as well as these permits before you Also a major storm water management permit will be sought from conservation and access permit from mass DOT will be needed. A national pollutant discharge elimination system
construction general permit will be sought and building permits from the town. So next, going to the next slide, we have the waiver lists and I apologize these are hard to read but I'll try to go through them quickly. One of the waivers requires to be relates to the A and r, the A LR requirements most are site plan review related or highway overlay related and one is a technical plan. Submittal waiver requests on the A LR require that the applicant demonstrate the feasibility
of future conversion of a new A LR facility to an alternate use permitted in the zoning district. How this is demonstrated is not fully spelled out in the in the bylaw. The applicant provided a discussion of this item within its development impact statement in the application and stated that the likely alternate U alternate use that would be suitable for the A LR building would be a healthcare use such as a nursing home. We have provided a parking analysis for nursing home use which requires fewer spaces
than an A LR use. The applicant requests that you consider the statement in the application as adequate demonstration of an alternative feasible use or in the alternative that you waive this requirement. Next a waiver for height is requested to allow an additional four feet in height above the 40 feet required under the under the bylaw the ne next. From that the applicant requests a waiver from the land landscape buffer deck minimum
to allow less than 15 feet adjoining the resident residential district or use during the presentation. We can point out to you the limited area where this occurs in the C two zone and how proposed screening limits any impact on residential uses. Next waiver is requested from the landscaping standards that seek to break up sections of parking areas for visual relief. That's under the, the highway overlay district regulations and the planning board rules and regulations and also the requirement for 10 feet interior
landscaping per parking space per section five D 17 to allow the interior landscaping as shown on the site plan that was submitted. Allowing the parking to laid out as proposed helps keeps, keep other area on site to stay undeveloped. The next waiver relates to landscaping adjacent to buildings. This is a frequently requested waiver and for this project allows walkways and sitting areas at key spot key spots around the building. The next two requested waivers are also frequently requested. One is a waiver from the minimum parking space size
to allow three compact spaces and a waiver from the safety curb height requirement at seven inches to allow standards height safety curbing of six inches. The applicant requests a waiver from the driveway width maximum requirement of 40 feet wide at the right of way line and 50 feet wide at the curb line in order to allow widths as shown as the on the site plan. And we would request a waiver from the number and configuration of treason shrubs per the standards and criteria set forth in section five D 17 of the bylaws
and the rules of regulations. Again the site will, Rena will retain significant green area and the applicant expects an increase in trees on the site. Finally, a technical item in in that the plan and document submissions are one inch per 30 feet in scale rather than one inch per 40 feet in scale per the rules and regulations. We'll note that staff has accepted the scale provided so a waiver may actually no longer be needed. If we could go to the next slide please and I won't, I won't reiterate all the detail on this slide, but wanted to reference for you what the bylaw
and state law require you to consider in the four applicable areas of review for this redevelopment project. And we believe that you will find that the proposed project satisfies the relevant criteria for special permits. The bylaw and state law asset you consider whether the project is in harmony with the purpose of the bylaws, that the use will not be a nuisance and the site has access to adequate and appropriate facilities to ensure proper operation of propo the proposed use structure or condition and whether any adverse impacts are mitigated specifically
for an A LR project, you need to find that the project is for adults 55 years of age and older unable to live independently without supports that units contain no more than two bedrooms. That future conversion of development to another as of right or special permit use is feasible. That the overall impact of the facility will not substantially derogate from as of right or special permit uses in the zoning district. That there are fewer than 30 units per acre that the project provides open space as a visual amenity
and that no more than 10% of the a LR project is devoted to activities tied to services other than direct supportive services. On the site plan review criteria, the team has worked hard to present a project that conforms to your standards and criteria under site plan review. I won't go item by item here, but we believe that the application will demonstrate that the redevelopment provides maintain significant green area. The applicant no not only proposes upgrading landscaping, but the project preserves a significant amount,
approximately three acres of natural vegetation. The project minimizes tree. And so soil removal and as the engineer consultant will describe in more detail, the project proposes to provide on water onsite storm water management system. The project will improve site circulation and coordinate with the mass DOT 27 9 intersection project and I'll, I'll briefly note that one of your criteria addresses signage. The project signage is not finalized at this juncture and signs which are provided on the renderings are
for illustrative purposes only and we would perhaps come back to talk to you about signage at a later time. Finally, on your review for a PD as of right projects, you'll consider that whether there is no adverse environmental impact on the aquifer water supply, no cause of significant long, long-term reduction in volumes of water. Whether the project uses best management project practices and lower impact design standards and whether seasonal, high water, high groundwater elevation will not be increased
or encroached upon. If we could go to the next slide please. Before moving on to the consultant presentations, I wanted to quickly review the procedural history of the project to date. You recall that in the fall of 2024 this team requested your early determination of the applicability of the inclusionary housing bylaws requirement to the project. The team did that prior to its investment in property purchase design and engineering. For this application, you determined at your meeting of October 9th, 2024 that
where the A LR units would not impact the town's statutory minimum for the subsidized housing in index section five J requiring all housing projects to provide at least 15% of newly created units as affordable would be applicable to this project. Next, in November of 2024, the building commissioner issued a very detailed determination of required permitting and interpretations, which is in your materials. The team has met twice with the development review team in April of 2025 and more recently in November.
Throughout this, the applicant has consulted with Ms. Loomis the building commissioner department staff and is very grateful for their responsiveness and input. Also, since applying the applicant has received and reviewed department com comments from the Public health Department and received a request from the fire department for additional information. The applicant has no no major concerns with the health comments except to note that it has already started in soil testing. One of their comments was that they be present in soil testing, but some has already happened. The team, the team did respond, excuse me,
to fire on a request related to emergency service. Frequency is available to meet with them further if requested. And at this point I'm going to hand back to Katie to discuss development goals and after that the consultants will follow. Speaker 3: I'll be brief here 'cause we wanna get to the consultants. As mentioned a few times, this overall property is eight acres. We've really concentrated and one of our very important design goals is to basically eliminate any buildings and the RSA keep all the building development in the C two district and really work
to preserve the naturalized landscape in the back. That's not even shown on the slide. So we worked really hard to, to concentrate really the the program to, to the north main Street side of the property. We do recognize that we have, you know, butters on at least two sides to be mindful of. We've, with that in mind, we've held to the 50 foot setback requirement from a residential district. And you can sort of see it in this slide if you're looking at it in in your hands, it's the dotted line that kind
of goes around the building. So at the end of the day we had kind of, not limited, but we've limited area for building development on the site and of course, you know, working with keeping the two 20 building as well. So that's why the building is sort of situated in the, in the position that it's in. We mentioned this a few times as well, but we've got, we're maintaining the main entry point, the main vehicular entry point where it is, we're gonna work with DOT to try to widen that to improve it, make it easier to get in and out. That will continue to be the main point of access.
But we do, you know, and our, our goal is to maintain a secondary access point on North Main Street. Both, both access points work with the current layout and obviously with, we'll we'll work with DOT on in our access permit, but they'll work with both 'cause we don't know exactly when they'll be improving that stretch of the road. We will highlight this in our landscape up update, but we made an intentional decision to really enhance the trees. We've basically replacing trees on a 1.6 new trees for every tree removed.
I think Kathy discussed that the A LR is 116 units, about 113,000 square feet within mix of assisted living and memory care. Eric, do you wanna talk through the, some of the building, additional building details and Sure. How it works with operations? Speaker 5: Yes, we can go to the next slide please. So the next two slides just give you a little flavor of what's in the building and how it's gonna be operated. We do have 92 units of assisted living in the building and 24 units of memory care. There will be a mix of unit types, companion studios, one beds and two bed unit types for the residents
to choose from the assisted living units. It doesn't say this on the slide, but only the assisted living units will have kitchenettes. They won't have a stove or an oven so they won't be able to do all their cooking. We do provide all the nutritional needs for the residents in the main dining area and that will be served and cooked by staff. All the units will have private bathrooms. About 40% of the building is dedicated to amenity and support space. We have all different types of spaces in the building, including a main dining room. We'll have a pub bistro living room
and places for watching TV and relaxing a library, a health and wellness center, which will include a fitness room, a treatment room for residents to receive doctor visits or dentist visits, things like that if they desire and or need them. We'll have arts and activity spaces and a, and a fairly large multipurpose slash theater room in the building. We do have a separate neighborhood for memory care that will be secure neighborhood to prevent elopement. They do have their own outdoor secure space as well, so they can get outside and have sunlight throughout the year.
And then of course we will have outdoor space for the assisted living residents and beautifully landscaped grounds for active and passive recreation on the outside of the building. And we do have a state-of-the-art e call system and access control system for safety in the building. Next slide please. In terms of the operations of the building, it will be staff 24 7 365. I've included a list of the types of positions that will be in the building. The building we run by an executive director. We'll have directors for each of the departments. We have care staff, which will include nurses, RNs and LPNs
and resident care associates. We do have sales and marketing staff in the building. Again, we're serving the residents all their meals. So there's a full compliment of dining staff, of housekeeping, program activities, transportation and of course plan operations. The staff generally work in three shifts a day. The first shift would be seven to three, second shift, three to 11 and third shift 11 to seven and have given a rough indication of the amount of employees per shift. It is important to note that not all the employees are quote unquote shift employees. So not everybody will be showing up right at seven o'clock.
The resident care associates, dining staff, you know, they, they tend to be the shift employees and directors and some of the other staff in the building will probably work a nine to five type type schedule. So that does spread out the, the traffic coming and going in the mornings and in the evenings we will provide scheduled transportation for the residents. They do, many of the residents like to get out to their religious services to their church that they've always gone to medical visits, shopping, things like that. So we'll have a bus to provide those. That sort of transportation. We are expecting two food
and supply deliveries a week, probably two trash pickups a week and one recycling pickup per week. And question we often get is medical waste. We will be disposing of that in accordance with the regulations. We don't provide medical care, this is not a medical facility, so we won't be doing medical procedures here, but in the same way that everyone, you know, would have some level of medical waste in their own home, we would, we would have that too and that we handle that accordingly. Next slide please. Speaker 3: I think we're to to Frank and we'll keep it, I know we're running a little over, so try to be brief.
Speaker 6: Hello, Frank Holmes with Langan Engineering. I'm a civil engineer and just want to talk in a little bit more detail about the site plan and the site design. So, you know, as, as been mentioned, the site is about 8.3 acres total and is also has been mentioned. We're leaving about three acres of that undeveloped. So in terms of zoning, that allows us to really exceed significantly some of the zoning metrics. The minimum open space that's required is, is 10%.
We have 54, almost 55% open space. The, the maximum floor area ratio is 0.5. We're at 0.37 for the property. The, the minimum landscape surface ratio is, is 0.35, we're at 0.55. And, and lastly the, the maximum building coverage is 30%, where at 12.2%. So a few other features that I just want to note on the site plan are, as has been mentioned, Eric mentioned trash pickup and loading. They will be at the, at the rear of the property on, on the,
sort of in the middle left hand side of the plan as we're looking at it, want to talk about the number of parking spaces for the assisted living. There are, are 58 required and we are providing 96 on day one with 23 additional spaces that would be land banked or potential future spaces to bring the total to to one 19. And for number two 20, the office building 72 spaces are required and
and we're providing 72 spaces for that use. Maybe you Speaker 3: Can go to the next slide. There's some, some of the numbers are on there for you. There you go. Sorry Speaker 6: To interrupt. Oh yeah, thank you. Yeah, Speaker 3: I just know they're on the next slide. Speaker 6: And with regard to, also, with regard to access, what we're looking at here is, is turning movements for emergency vehicles. So the site has been designed for Natick ladder truck, that's what's shown here, entering the property and circulating the entire property as well as approaching the, the front door at the area and and turnaround.
We are proposing a one fire hydrant at the front corner of the building in the lower right of the slide that's near the, the fire department connection. One comment that we did receive from the town was to provide a second hydrant at the rear of the building, which we will be doing. And number two 20, the office building does have a hydrant right at the front of the building for, for that, for that building. As has been mentioned, there are five existing curb cuts, four of them on North Main Street.
We're gonna be reducing that to the two that you see with the, with the turning movements there. Next slide please. This slide is, is showing the stormwater management for the property and we have a, we have a robust system that's designed to meet the state's stormwater management standards as well as all of the town's standards. The, the design incorporates low impact development mainly through two buyer retention areas. Those are shown in, in the blue shape at the, at the back
of the property at the top of the slide. And then near the front door we also have hydrodynamic separators. Those are the sort of orange circle shape and then we have deep sump catch basins as well. And then the purple shapes are subsurface stormwater detention and infiltration systems so that the, the project does infiltrate all of the stormwater on site as is what happens in the existing condition. There's no connection to North Main Street or
otherwise offer property. And we as mentioned, retain, you know, a hundred percent of the stormwater on site, soils on site are, are, are very sandy. There's, as was mentioned, we have done some investigations already. We have a lot of historical information on the site and we will be doing some additional soil testing as to respond to comments from the board of health. And we, I wanna note that we not only meet the standards mentioned, but we exceed all of them with respect to water quality treatment
for total suspended solids removal, for phosphorus removal and for recharge. Next slide please. This slide here just shows you some of the, the, the standards we show the peak flow rates here that are being reduced significantly, you know, from existing conditions and just shows all of the, the metrics that we are exceeding with respect to water quality and infiltration. Next slide please. And last slide I wanna speak to here is
with respect to utilities. So we're gonna be cutting and capping of course all of the utility services to the existing buildings that will be removed and then providing new utility services for the new building. So the, the water service will come off of North Main Street, a six inch water main for domestic and fire protection. There'll be a six inch sewer service that will run out to Lakeshore and then the electric telecommunications and natural gas services will also
come off of North Main Street. That work is all gonna be coordinated with mass DOT and, and their project, we've, we have an active permit with DOT, they're reviewing our plans and we've been meeting with them. We've had two meetings through the design already and we're in the process of scheduling a an upcoming meeting this month just to continue our, our coordination with them. And, and with that I'll turn it over to Max. Yep, Speaker 7: Good evening. Members of the board. My name is Max Polanco with land engineering. I've been the traffic engineer working for this project
with Katie and the team for a little bit, I would say a year almost right now. But I just wanna stay kind of like going back to what Eric said in, in terms of traffic perspective for this project specifically. We understand that because of the use itself we have to go through a, a special permit. But from a traffic perspective overall as an as of right, this development is expected to generate less traffic. It's, it's meant to be less intensive than the as of right users. And as Eric explained, this is mainly due to the characteristics of the traffic patrons
that are gonna be on the site. Like Eric explained, you know, the number of shifts and the number of employees, it's, they are all scattered throughout the day and it's not like a regular office or a regular commercial or office use that have peaks during, you know, specific mornings or that follow the commuter peaks. So in terms of traffic, it's expected to be lower than the current existing approved uses. And nevertheless, we did, I would say conducted a full traffic impact assessment in accordance with mass EOT standards. We collected existing data along Main Street all the way
from Evergreen and used also historical data that was done by, by DOT for the design of the diverging diamond to analyze the impacts of the study. So that traffic assessment has been officially submitted to the town for review. It does incorporate all the FD mass DOT improvements and it does demonstrate that all the intersection capacity analyses and also crash impact and safety analysis operate on an acceptable level of service. So next slide. And to reiterate, in terms of access
and site circulation, like Frank mentioned before, the site is expected to reduce their curb curb cuts from a existing five four located on main on Main Street and one on Lakeshore to only two access located. That will be located along Main Street specifically, but on purpose. And you know, with coordination with the improvements from SDOT, we designed these access to not only operate well within the existing conditions, but also operate well with the plan improvements that are
as you, I think most of you know that construction started a while ago, still not, I would say ongoing on actual roading improvements, but we've on purpose coordinated that. So with this, this reduced number of curb cuts we're expecting to obviously the traffic flow to operate in better conditions, better safety and improve the access overall that improves sight lines for the site. The access geometry, like Frank and Katie mentioned specifically at the intersection of the signalize intersection of the plaza that is gonna be improved providing a wider driveway
compared to what it is now. And we are actively coordinating with mass DOT their improvements as well to make sure that our development and the access for the development as well goes in line with what they are going to be constructing. What you see here in the rent in the red lines are basically the traffic flow that the patterns to access the site. So, and then the one in blue, it's basically the patterns to exit the site, but again, as as to rear rate and, and finish here, my, my quick conversation, the development overall is, is expected
to generate less traffic. So it pairs well be because the, I would say the users that are nearby, which is the retail and the residential, is not going to actually impact their commuter traffic because the peak traffic for the development itself, it's gonna be outside the regular peak hour traffic. So with that, I'll give it up to Mike that will give a presentation about landscape. Speaker 8: Thank you Mike Lewicki, landscape architect with Lang and Engineering discussing the planting
plan as well as the lighting plan. And before I get into some of the details here, I just wanted to reiterate what Katie mentioned before and others is that, you know, the, the wooded lot to, to the north and the residential district is, is being maintained. So not only is it important to maintain those existing trees, but as a team we're using that as inspiration to in our site design, which is to, to bolster and grow the, the urban tree canopy within the neighborhood. So how do we do that? It's, so we begin
with not only a variety of shrubs, ground covers or metal grasses and perennials, but we're proposing 319 trees, which again will help grow that urban canopy within the neighborhood. Some of the planting plan objectives is number one, bolster the, the plants within the setbacks and around project perimeter, not only for for scale, but also we'll help with screening. We're, we're complimenting the entry and arrival experience as well as some of the amenity spaces. We're also augmenting the stormwater management features
with plants appropriate for those spaces. The, the proposed plans, of course will be native non-invasive species that are appropriate for our climate here in Natick. So working off of that woodland theme, we're, we're trying to offer a variety of, of plant sizes just to get that natural effect. So deciduous trees will range from two and a half inch caliber, three inch caliber to four while evergreen trees and ornamental trees will also be in a range of eight feet, 10 feet and 12 feet in height to kind of play off of
that woodland theme and that na naturalistic vibe. Next slide. So the lighting plan conforms with Natick guidelines, also with I-E-N-S-I-E-S-N-A, it's a mouthful Standards. The, the plans and details that are provided to the town give a, a snapshot and a very detailed view of the photometrics on site, providing detailed layout of of the lighting within the site as well as specifications and manufacturer information within the lighting chart.
Some overall goals here, it's really first and foremost to enhance the public safety in, in all areas vehicular and pedestrian. The fixtures that we're proposing here are all dark sky compliant, they're efficient LED fixtures and we're, we're definitely eliminating any light trespass on surrounding roadways and neighboring properties. The light fixtures as you see here are, are very or simple in nature. They're not ornamental again to kind of like blend into the woodland and,
and not be the stars of the show. There's two, two parking lot lighting types. The magenta dots represent the 20 foot fixture height, more appropriate for the vehicular areas. And while we, you know, getting closer to the building, you can see that the cyan color represents the 12 foot lights, which are more pedestrian scale. We also have three foot Ballard lighting light fixtures around the building within the courtyards as well as canopy fixtures at the main entrance. I'd also like to highlight
that we are providing additional lighting at the existing building again to just maintain safety standards. Sarah, with that I'll hand it off to the architect. Speaker 9: All right, good evening an my name's Anthony Vito, I'm the architect at the architectural team and I'll go through quickly here at the end of this slideshow. Some of the design ideas and what you have in front of you is the front entry perspective, the proposed building. We are playing off of the woodland theme
that Mike mentioned earlier. So there are a lot of natural tones that'll be used on the building, including in the elevation or this perspective use of stone along the base of the building. And then some lighter materials that punctuate the rest of the facades, including bays and large windows and an articulated roof form. Those portions of the building that are shown above the sort of, that extend above the roof line, if you will, are there to disguise some of the equipment that we have on the roof.
So we're cognizant of the residential neighborhood that we're in and the sight lines associated with that. We really want to create this sort of welcoming gesture to coming into a community. We think of these as residences and not facilities and what, what we've tried to do here with the design is work with the inside and the outside to blend seamlessly into the neighborhood. The next slide please. And this is a closer view. At the front entry we have a board co-share that's in a heavy timber rendering.
Various elements, various simulated wood elements as Eric had said earlier, activating the outside of the building and around the building is very important. And so you have passive and active zones. The front of the building is always a very popular place for residents to sit and what you see in the foreground is an outdoor patio that's adjacent to an a bistro, but when you come into the building, it's light filled, it's welcoming to people who, residents themselves, but also people who've never been to an assisted living.
I think you'd be surprised at, at the, the sort of residential quality that you have. A lot of the spaces flow into each other and so they're somewhat of an open floor plan, particularly at the first floor of the building. The second and third floor floors here are going to be more traditional sort of residential layouts with corridors and units. And in the back of the property we have, I don't know if we can go to a site plan for a minute. You might point out where the memory chair is. Yeah, so that, this is a good one there.
So you can see the courtyard, the internal courtyard there is actually, that's part of the memory care area of the building and so that's a secured zone for the residents and memory care we're on the first floor and they have their own dedicated dining room and associated amenity spaces. The, the rest of the spaces around the building are landscaped areas are for the rest of the residents, the assisted living folks and we as is often the case folks like to get out and get their walk in. So we provided a continuous sort of looping circulation
around the building for folks to do that. One other thing of note, cognizant of the activity, vehicular activity to a building like this. So we've oriented the main entry away from the residential neighborhood. So you see that on the north side, the building more quiet functions, outdoor patios and associated spaces are on the south side abutting lake shore. So at sort of high level that's this quick tour through with the project Speaker 1: We overran my goal so apologies for that but wanted to make sure that thorough
and just answering some questions. Thank you very much. So to to those of you who who come to hear the presentation, what I'll be doing is first going around to members of the board and see what questions or comments there are. I will then turn it over to call on for those of you who have questions or or remarks to make both in person or who are following online. So I will start, Speaker 2: I have actually quite a
Speaker 9: Few, some question, some comments. Let's see, I've been writing 'em down. I guess the, one of the key things that I saw on there was I saw parking within the RSA and I just saw that tonight. So I didn't have the, I am not able to point you to exactly where it is in the zoning bylaws, but I'm pretty sure that is prohibited to park parking. Parking in a residential for a commercial use. 'cause I know that came up on, we just ran into Speaker 2: That on Steam Street and they even had a zoning
variance but we, we were unable to resolve that. Yeah. Speaker 1: Trying to find, so we, Speaker 9: And I don't even expect the answer tonight, but that's something that will have to be looked at and resolved Speaker 1: Or Right. We did get a, a determination on that with, from the building commissioner. So he said the applicant may use the portion of the property owned as RSA for dimensional compliance for the entire project, further may use, may be used for off street parking area to satisfy required parking.
Let's something we, Speaker 3: We zoned in as well on and made sure to kind of work with the town early in the, in the conversation. But of course we can continue that dialogue and I know there's some history Speaker 9: I guess kind of on that same, yep. Where was the land bank parking and was that, was it shown on the plane as you being parking asked or Speaker 3: Not? It, so it is shown and I think we unintentionally didn't bring that up. I don't know Amanda, if you're able to share the screen again. So we, we are requesting 23 additional spaces in the form of land bank
and those are shown essentially at the property that was five, formerly five Lakeshore or is like five Lakeshore today. Those were those little squares. So they're hatched. Yeah, they're little squares. They're hatched in, it's shown as green and you know, really the, the reason for that is to make sure that we can continue to operate the facility the way it needs to be operated. Yeah, you you can use any of those go ba forward. One more, you don't mind keep going, going forward there. That's a good one. You can see it on the, on the west side of the, I'm sorry, direction challenge sometimes
that is the south side and we've got 23 land bank spaces shown there. No curb cut, it's just if we need them in the future, we would be coming back to work through Speaker 9: That. So that's not emergency access or anything Speaker 3: That's not emergency access. So what you see and sort of the grayish color that's representing asphalt, that's what we're our proposal is today with land baked in in the future. Speaker 9: So I guess my next couple have to do with the traffic. So overall, yeah, assisted living facilities do have much lower traffic generator than a lot of other uses. And I, I guess one thing maybe to take a little bit
of task a little bit, you're not the first person that I've criticized for this, but I feel sometimes we say something's conservative when maybe we're being accurate and I think it was worded a little bit clearer on these slides than in the traffic study. I think in the traffic study it again said it was conservative and it's saying that we are gonna have a decrease in traffic where in reality it it because there's actually very little traffic going to the site right now. Yeah. So we will not have a decrease in traffic. It's less traffic than those uses out there probably should
be generating, but they're not. Right. So I just want to I guess make that clear there's not gonna be a decrease in traffic than what's out there right now. Not just for you guys, but for everybody in the crowd. Yeah. So again, you're not the first person I've criticized, but it's not, I don't think it is conservative and I don't think we need to make any changes to the traffic study. I've only started taking a look at it because the build is the build, you know, it's that you know by Right. It could be more kind of a question off of that. The office is that currently fully occupied just
because the numbers were so low as far as traffic using that, that office building, Speaker 3: The, the two 20 office building is, is fully occupied. Speaker 9: Okay. So no, no real changes expected from that building. Right. Yeah. Speaker 3: Okay. I mean it's, there are, you know, there was tenants in multiple of existing office there, they've moved into different spaces, but there are tenants that visit that particular type professional. Speaker 9: Okay. Yep. Okay. As far as this shift, maybe this is kind of going forward
and of Chris was matching, you know, that afternoon peak isn't really during the, during a, you know, the commuter peak, but that three o'clock just so happens to be, we have two schools right there. Mm. So I mean that might even be something going forward when managing it. You know, your employees might say, you know, we could start at two 30 or, or, you know, two o'clock it, it just might be better even for them. Just something to keep in mind because between, you know, benham is one thing, but Wilson's, you know, a bit more the undeveloped land in the back, the three acres. Sure. Just to kind of throw that out there,
and I haven't been back there. Is that an amenity? Like should we be, is that something that should be used by the, you know, the, not the memory care, but the a LS assisted living portion of it? Could there be a walking trail? Would that be a benefit? Would it not? I don't know what's back there. Speaker 3: Eric and I debated this a few different times. We, we went back and forth. I think in terms of the assisted living use, it, it doesn't feel like a safe environment to put walking trails in specifically for that, those residents. We still debated it, but we also kind of settled internally
and open to hear other people's thoughts that we should leave it the way it is. It, it's pretty, you know, he heavily wooded there aren't, you know, some, some other woods that and adjacencies that we've worked on before, they're sort of like, you know, in, in informal walking paths that have been formed over the years. I don't see that maybe that maybe folks in the room know more about it than I do, but we decided to kind of just concentrate as much towards North Main Street and just keep it as is and understanding that it's adjacent to many homes felt like we would just kind of leave it Okay. And let it be
Speaker 9: Okay. I wasn't sure with the, yeah, with the lake there, if that would Yeah, Speaker 3: We, we did talk about it, but that's how we landed. Speaker 9: Yes. I think we should have a sidewalk connect a connection to the existing sidewalk from the site, even if it's not for the residents, but you know, you have workers if they want to get over to, you know, stop and shop or get a haircut on their crosswalk, break crosswalk, like a cross internal connection to the sidewalk on Route 27. You have sidewalks that go around the building, but nothing seems Oh, to connect Oh, to this Speaker 3: Street.
To the street, yeah. We can look at that Speaker 9: Again. Even if the residents are, I think you got employees that Of course. Yeah. We should accommodate for lighting. I noticed that one of them is really close to neighboring, one of the 20 foot lights. Yep. So I don't know if you know there ability to kind of swap 'em or Yep. How much that might lead on. Speaker 3: Look at that. Speaker 9: So I think that that's all I have right now. Speaker 3: That was, Speaker 9: What's that? Yeah, for the lighting I and one of 'em, the parking is really close to a, to one of the residential properties.
Yep. So, and it's a 20 foot light. So I don't know if, you know, there's a chance to swap and of course Speaker 3: Look at other, you know, other approaches in that particular area. Obviously competing with trying to meet the standards and, but we can, we can look at other ways to, especially in that location. Speaker 9: Your architecture looks good and I'm very happy that you guys and on the traffic stuff too looked at not just what's out there but how it relates to the route 9 27. I think that not only is good for make sure you guys got a workable property and a workable site, but I think it's a lot better for us to review
and makes it a Yep. A lot more helpful. We might have most comments as this process goes on. Yes, Speaker 3: Understood. There was some, there was something, Speaker 10: I'm sorry. So this project is actually different than the one down on speeding street. And in that the reason why was because this is actually also within an overlay district. The overlay district is the highway corridor overlay district, which would then probably allow for such parking to be consistent because the overlay district is the entire property. So that is the reason why if the building commissioner made that determination why this one would be,
'cause it's an added on Speaker 3: Where Speaker 10: Speed Street did not have the overlay. Speaker 9: So the overlay extended covered that residential portion of the site, Speaker 10: I believe. So I want to do a double check and I can get that for you for the next meeting, but I'm pretty sure that's why Commissioner. Speaker 9: Okay. Speaker 10: We don't work a lot with that highway corridor overlay district, but it's there. Ep, my Speaker 3: Thank you. Speaker 2: So a typical thorough, well organized presentation. I expect nothing less from audit and Dewey
and Benchmark and national development. So I'm it, a lot of work has gone into this, so thank you for the thoroughness of the presentation. A little history when Natick didn't have any assisted living facilities about, I don't know, 10 years ago, maybe more, there was a presentation in this general part of town for an assisted living that was gonna be in a residential neighborhood. And to say that it got beat beaten down at town meeting would be an understatement. It was indefinitely postponed and I think there was a no aspersions on the presentation,
but there was, there was a moderate level of outrage that, you know, such a thing was being proposed in the middle of a residential neighborhood. And I would suspect that we need to be sensitive of those feelings too. And I, and I and I'm sure you are. So while, while it's a good presentation, I don't think anything's perfect and I do think that we will work collaboratively on a few things. So here we go. I, a waiver for less than a 10 foot offer with a residential neighbor. I, I can't, I can't support that now I, I I'm looking
as closely as I can on what the residential neighbor's backyards look like. I know, and I, you know, I I, the, according to the pictures I see there's a fair amount of, you know, green and so forth. But to ask neighbors to, to have the planning board support a waiver of, of waving that I don't, I don't think that's good for anybody. So why don't we look at that so that the, all of the buffers meet what's required. I think, I think that's, that's easier. I'm curious if there is snow storage, you,
you'll need snow storage as, as the, as the driveway kind of snakes around the property. I, there's no doubt that we should make some clarification on where snow will be placed. I am. So let's see. Oh, kind of similarly, I take it that the building does not have like a loading dock per se. In other words, I know you get big 54 foot truck deliveries. Okay. If there's no loading dock then the trucks will generally just be in the parking lot and unloaded, you know, by hand or is there a loading dock where they can kind of back in? Speaker 3: There's there's no formal formal loading dock. Okay.
In, in that sense it's, you know, double doors and, you know, most of the trucks, correct me if I'm wrong, Eric, are box trucks that are making the food delivery. Speaker 2: Well your big Cisco trucks will be, those are usually 54 footers and I know the fire truck can get through, but I'd be curious what your big delivery trucks look like, particularly with a hard right turn in, a sharp left turn around an island that looks like it's absolutely begging to be run over and then to get around the building and I'm not quite sure how it creates that loop or turns around. So that's something I'd be interested in knowing about.
Speaker 6: Again, Frank Holmes from Lincoln, and I can speak to that. So we, we did consider a range of delivery trucks, you know, for the facility. But I do want to note that we specifically designed it, you know, for box trucks and for, you know, smaller tractor trailer trucks. A a full size 53 foot box tractor trailer. Can't make the maneuvers. Okay. That's to get through the site and, and we've, you know, had that conversation with the operator and they'll, you know, have that arrangement with their food delivery services to, to mainly have it be box trucks
and, and the loading for that is at the back of the building, it would be a striped out area next to the building where they would pull up and just offload off the back of the truck. So, you know, so there is no loading dock. Speaker 2: I get that. If you, if you look at the parking that's proposed, if that's full, I I don't know you're, that, that might actually be a challenge 'cause you're not gonna push, you know, hand carts through parked cars. So I mean I you might just double check that you actually have a spot to do that. 'cause I'm sure you get deliveries every day, not once or another. Speaker 6: Yeah, if well may we can, we can maybe clarify where
that location is, but we have it right next to the building in a location that I'm, you know, pretty sure would not interfere with, with any of the parking spaces. And that's also the reason that we have that little extension of the pavement that heads to the south towards where that land bank parking would be to allow the box truck to do a a, a three point turn there. Speaker 2: Okay. So let's talk about that little space there. We don't get a lot of applicants coming back to activate land bank parking. It's always a good idea to have, but it just doesn't happen very often.
So assuming that that is going to be land bank parking that is not developed, it seems like that is screaming for a more active use than really just kind of like a grass field. I know that you're all about amenities and community and all that. So it seems like just having a grass field is a little light on on uses. I I think that could probably be activated somewhat. Yep. And I see other kind of structures in that, in that little bump out. So I, I'll look forward to seeing the side plan. Speaker 3: Yeah, we should have given a better indicator on that.
The, those are basically utilities. We have the transformer plan for there and we do have an a requirement for an emergency generator. So those two pieces of equipment would also be in that from side parcel there. Speaker 2: Well I don't know if you'd be open to some kind of a public amenity in that space. A a little part maybe that the public can access or I don't know, a maybe a gazebo or a, a barbecue grill or something. I mean we are, we are in one of the densest parts of town
and, and depending on how you look at it, the neighbors might say that they're okay with what there is now because it's kind of underutilized. It's not terribly impactful. I think living through the, God help us living through the bridge reconstruction and this reconstruction, the neighbors need something out of this to say, why would you bother living through this? 'cause I think it's gonna be a rough couple years. So I would look for that space to maybe have some kind of a public amenity. I mean liability notwithstanding,
I'm sure something can be done that could make life a little bit, a little bit of something for, for the public to get. Speaker 3: No, I appreciate that comment because it's also, if you look at the arrangement of the parcels there, it's a, it's a tricky little, you know, conglomeration of parcels, particularly in that corner. Speaker 2: So, well I know you need it for your landscaping ratio. Yeah, I need, I know you need it for the land banking, that's all fine, but I think the, the reality of these becoming actual spaces Yep. I know. Who knows, probably long after I'm going. But in the meantime it would be nice if we could, if we could incorporate something for that
same thing being said for the five acres or the, the three acres behind you. I had a feeling that the overlay played into the building commissioner allowing you to park there. But one of the strongest zoning bylaw statements we have is this notion of where there's not an overlay, it is like not allowed to have parking like this to support a commercial zone. And I fully stipulate that this is different 'cause of the overlay. Having said that, here we are with three acres of land
and I know you've proposed to do nothing with it. I'm wondering if it too could not possibly be activated. Maybe we could talk to our open space advisory committee. You know, the, the, again, these folks living close by are going to need a break if there was some way to access that land, a walking trail. I mean I, and I I know can't marry bunker probably too far to tie into that, but, and I, and I, I see that, I don't think you're gonna get public access to the water through there, but let's please think of something that we can do other than just leave it alone.
Hmm. I think, I'm not suggesting this can be a second town forest or something like that, but you know, we've done really creative things in our town forests. There's been a, a bike trail that's been established. There are walking trails, there's wildlife. I'm not opposed to just leaving it and doing nothing, but I think we can do better. And I, I, and I just think part of a successful project would be sort of inviting people to use what is going to be, you know, basically undeveloped open space and maybe there's some way to passively or actively use it. So I I I beg your consideration of that. Then last couple things.
I I, I didn't see a species list on the evergreens, but if, if I, I did, I do think I saw a picture of arbor. If you just mind crossing those out and replacing that with something, we're kind of an anti arbor board or arborist. Invasive species. Invasive species. So no invasive species, all natural. And if we can get rid of the arbor for something else, we, we'd all be happy with that. And last thing I think, oh, you don't need 20 foot lights, you don't need anything near a 20 foot light. I think you could get by with 12 foot light. I know you need some modest parking at night, but this is, even car dealerships don't need
25, 20 foot lights. Yep. So let's make them as low and as modest as possible. 'cause I think those, those are the things that really, particularly if they're high and bright and you see 'em in the middle of the night. So if we could bring those down to the lowest possible level, that would be, that would be much appreciated. Speaker 1: And there's actually that, that section of the zoning bylaw reports that lighting, yep. And about light trespass and so forth. And that's something. And right down to the color, the temperatures of the color, color of the light that's being produced.
So just to make sure that that's line. Speaker 2: So I'll just say I think the building is beautiful. I think this could be very workable in this neighborhood. I think we've already seen a lot of thought and sensitivity, but for me it's gonna be a lot about respecting our, our neighbors and trying to activate the areas that we can so that maybe the neighbors even get a benefit outta this. Thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you. And so Peter, Speaker 11: Yes, you hear me? Speaker 1: You're on. Great. Yes, Speaker 11: I, couple of things and I'm just gonna go through my little list here. I don't expect a whole lot of answers
tonight are just some things to think about. We will have, in spite of the fact we're not gonna have way of traffic, we will have probably considerable additional plumbing water use. And I would like to know that from the town engineers, appropriate engineers, that this is all being taken into consideration and everything's gonna work out fine. I question the buffer, as was mentioned relative to existing residential. And I know you've got a waiver in there, the primary site entries. I assume that the southly site entry is
where these service vehicles come in and out and that there'll be no, none of that at the northerly one. But I would love to see that the plan extends a little bit beyond the project to the extent that we see across the street, like the entries and exits at Stop and Shop that plaza, the new proposed bridge connection. I'd love to see how those all work out. I mean this place is obviously not in a vacuum, it's gonna have to fit in with all of that.
Let's see. Oh, I would like to see, and at this stage of the project, I think it's probably quite feasible. Is that all, all trash be inside building that there'd be no dumpsters, no outside trash with a fence around it. I know it can be done and it has been done. I think also the consideration, something as simple it's, but it's annoying to a lot of people is the service, especially service vehicles and vehicle, the dumpster trucks, the OSHA reverse signal
is gonna be horrendous to the people who are gonna be anywhere near that. I don't know how to deal with that right now, but I'm also concerned with rooftop equipment. I know you mentioned rooftop equipment will be out of sight. I think maybe just by the fact that the bays are elevated from the primary roof. I don't think that's likely to be enough that I think you've gotta take the, all the rule of, not a rule, but they thought of like a 45 degree
from the ground up to the edge of the roof and beyond. And you don't wanna see anything above that. The memory care unit with the courtyard inside very nice. Keeps it, it's a good place. It's very nice. However, having been in a number of these memory care units, I think that you've gotta consider the fact that they can't be just locked up even for a beautiful day and not see vehicles going by. Consider possibly a, a rooftop deck
for the weather time when weather permits it. I realize that an elevator, if they're, depending upon if they're at the floor, first floor level, if that's where the residents are staying the first floor level, that's good access to the interior. But if they were on a rooftop, whether you've got elevator and staff control and, and beyond that, I would say I would also compliment you on the, at this level of development, the presentation I think was really very good and very thorough. And yes, there's a whole lot of little, little things to deal with. You expected that. But what you've done is very good.
Thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you Peter. And I'll just be brief because I know that a number of you are here with questions. Much of mu much of what I would have said has, has been said by others I suppose I would particularly emphasize is the issue of for buffers. We, we will fight for every inch if, if we can get it because it does make a difference. And it is a, a pretty small ask when it, when it comes down to it. And the, the other one that kind
of struck me in particular was trying to leverage that three acres in some form to, to have it as an amenity pose, something that that enhances and as well as kind of shelters that that just itself its residents, it may, there may be opportunities there to tie it with the neighborhood so that this becomes kind of a, a place where there is some sort of overlap or sense of immunity.
And, and I, I understand why the, the lake, which is so close at hand for this purpose can't be tied in. But it, I regret that that's the case because it is a, a remarkable place having worked and been involved in things related to the rail trail. Sorry, that there is not an any way to tie that through. Do you all feel that the, the, the mass DOT project is at a place of, I don't wanna say certainty,
but some, I guess some certainty so that you can comfortably go forward on, on the the plan and developing? Speaker 3: It's a good question Speaker 1: And Speaker 3: I know hard to predict. Speaker 1: It's not you who can say Speaker 3: Right, understood. No hard to predict their process and their timing and their schedule. Like we mentioned, we've met with them several times. But the one thing I will add is that, The one thing I'll add is that the both access drives that we have work with the current layout. So we've studied it from that perspective as well
as the future because we can't quite predict when they're gonna get to us. My understanding is that the intersection, the signalize intersection stop and shop and that were shared with them, it is part of the first phase and then they will move back to the south and work their way north again. So I think that's the general, very layman's term understanding of this. So given that they may not get to those curb cuts in front of our property, so we wanted to make sure that we could do it in both, in both lands.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And it was more, more a concern of being surprised. Not that something's gonna come late, but that something will drive, oh you know what, we thought we were gonna do this, but now we're going to have to do that. Yeah. And I, I realize that you all aren't liking. Wouldn't like that. Yeah. More than the rest Speaker 3: Of us. And as Frank mentioned, we do have an upcoming coordination meeting with the, with the DOT district next Thursday. So we will hopefully learn some more and perhaps before our next meeting we'll have a better update on how things are progressing. We'll try to ask as many questions as we can. Thank Speaker 1: You very much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wanted to just note one thing and hearing loud and clear number if you have mentioned regarding the, the waiver from the, the parking to the property line. It, it wasn't mentioned, I just did want to just point out and, and maybe you all saw it on the plan, but we are proposing along that property line, a new six foot high, you know, wood fence to so that the parking wouldn't be viewed or, you know, wouldn't be seen or visible from the abutting property. So you may have been aware of that, but I just wanted to, to make that point in, in case that detail was lost.
Speaker 3: There's some, you know, there's, because there's multiple neighbors, there's different fences at each property line. So we, we propose a sort coherent, consistent, coherent, at least on our side just to kind of Speaker 1: Make it Speaker 3: Consistent. Speaker 1: Okay. So thank you. Just one Speaker 9: Quick question. Have you met with any of the neighbors yet or is that Speaker 3: Kind of we're hoping starting to No, I, I appreciate that comment and we're hoping that perhaps we'll meet some tonight and hear their comments and if we can open the dialogue with our neighbors, the, the neighbors, we would love to Speaker 1: Have something that might be in the neighborhood.
That would be one more to me to, yep. Alright then. Sorry, try to take questions. Yes. Speaker 10: Just real quick. One waiver that we have reviewed and granted before, previously was the reduction in length of the off street parking spaces. And so I don't know if they reduce the parking spaces by the 10% allowed in length, not width. If that would get them the additional fee for that bumper area that they need. Because I think we go down to what, 16.2? Speaker 1: Well I'd say that if they,
and I thank you for mentioning that because I would've taken that as a, as a given that to, to get the shorter spaces comes with. The whole reason we do that is to have more three space where it's not, it's not. So just something to consider. Appreciate that. We'll take a close look at it. Thank you. Speaker 2: Proposed three that were reduced in Speaker 1: That Yep. In that corner. Speaker 2: But that's, that's a handy way to Sure. Increase buffer to, to ask for more. Speaker 9: I'm sorry, where are those that were reduced? That's what at the Speaker 1: Fence, they're close to that location.
Yes, they're okay. Put across from the loading app a little bit. Okay. Yep. Alright, so what I'm going to do, and I will, I will, I don't know if how many people we have wa watching us online or on Zoom, but I'm gonna start with questions here. When I get to the midpoint, I'll, I'll try to get the folks who are online to the rest of you. So a anyone who has questions or comments, just raise your hand and I'll do it in the kind of sweep across the crowd.
And I would ask a couple things just to kind of set it straight. If you're not, if you're the 14th person, if you are not the first person saying something, I'd encourage you to find, find a unique, unique point or an original point to raise rather than repeating at great length something that's already been stated. We wanna get as many voices heard and as many points of view heard. And I don't want anyone to feel like they've come up short, but I'm going to try to kind of keep everybody to, if what you have to say can be said in three to five minutes,
would and I would ask that per person. Alright. So on. Yes, with the glasses on your head. Hi. I would, if you could just, if you could just give us your name, that'd be great. Lisa Perry, you should come up to the line Speaker 2: On tv, you know, Speaker 1: Has to be. I'm gonna raise my, I live on Lake Shore Road, Lisa Perry and I'm concerned about the arcing going into the residential zone and I don't understand what this overlay is. Could somebody explain that? It, it, it means that there is original zoning or earlier zoning from one, from one area.
There is a secondary zoning district that literally overlays the original and it was done often in places where there was more commercial development or more non-residential development. And it was done as part of kind of managing the, the, the built development of the area along bru nine. Okay. I never knew that existed. And as far as the, the three acres in the back goes, there's a lot of wildlife out there. I mean it's a pretty natural space.
So, you know, personally I think there a little, but that's, that's just me. No thank you. Alright, next. So sir, with the glasses come on up. Speaker 12: Hey Ryan Lunta, I actually live on Locust Street but I grew up on running Brook Circle. That was where I spent my whole childhood playing. Those three acres that you're talking about, I highly suggest you leave 'em alone. They're basically part of the state park. Basically it butts it, there's trails all back there. I, I suggest if you haven't done it, go for a walk back there sometime. It's quiet, it's nice, it's peaceful.
If you ever go for a walk down by the lake through Camp Mary Bunker, you're basically going right through there. It, it's accessible. I mean granted you probably are going, I'm trying to think, are you going through someone's yard over on Mac Conco to get there? Yeah, so nevermind maybe, but if you walk through the backyard or through the back of that property, it, it's quiet. It's nice. It's definitely would not be fun for the people on Gonko and the people on Lakeshore to be using that. That's my only suggestion. I did like your presentation. I think if we're at this point it's probably
what we're gonna be seeing at that. It's definitely a use we need in Natick. Probably an okay spot for it. But growing up there, I know that all the neighbors are gonna have problems with this so just listen, listen to what they have to say. It would be greatly appreciated from all of 'em. But it's also a great use for something that we really need in the town, so thank you. Speaker 1: Okay, next before I hop over side. Okay, let me hold off to, to you, I just wanna see if there's anybody in on Zoom. I'm gonna apologize if I mispronounced the last name.
Joe Rin Zuki. First name's Joe. Mr. Zuki? Ucci. Oh Nuki. Ucci. Ucci. Joe Ucci. He just has to you, you just, he just just needs to unmute. Okay. Mr Ran Ucci. Speaker 13: Oh can yes, can you, can you hear me? Speaker 1: Yes we can. Thank you. Speaker 13: Oh okay. Yes, I'm in a butter on Lakeshore Road. And re in regards to the three acres, I agree with the gentleman that just spoke and Lisa Perry that
I think it would be in the best interest if you would just leave those three acres as they are. We already with the the new rail trail see an increase in bike traffic, walking traffic, e-bikes going down Lake Shore Road to get access to that trail. If, if you put more trails in the back of the wooded area there, it's just gonna increase more people coming onto Lakeshore Road, cutting through yards. It's just a beautiful area the way it is and I appreciate the developers for just wanting to leave it alone and leave it that way. And I think I speak for most of the tight-knit neighbors in
that street that I think they would like to see that left alone as well. Speaker 1: Okay, great. Thank you much. Thank you very much for sharing that. Is anyone, is there anyone else online Speaker 13: That was that, Speaker 10: So in terms of the question and answers, there were two questions from a Jennifer, can it change going, oh sorry. Referring to the open space, can it change going forward such that the undeveloped woods could be developed later? That's one question and then that Jennifer also voted, I vote to leave our backyard view as it is and not more traffic behind us.
And I agree with backup up beeping concerns. No other hands. Speaker 1: Okay, great. Thank you sir. With the beard. Speaker 12: Good evening. Thank you. My name is Tim Barrows. I'm at number 11 Lake Shore. So pretty much one of the most affected neighbors of the site. Some of my concerns and I'm happy to share some photos, email with the board and, and the developers. My main concern is one, the, the privacy aspect
of it, the parking lot is already behind my, my nig my house. And it's been nice now that it's kind of been empty but routinely trash blows into my backyard even though I have a six foot high privacy fence. Just, I'll show you the photos standing in the parking lot you can see right straight through into my house, into my kitchen, into my, my living room and having a three story building. Any resident's gonna be able to look over and just watch us in our, in our yard. And, and I get that, you know, it's part of the, the,
the plan but I also don't have any trees in my backyard, but yet spend countless time removing leaves. So I know that the plan is for a lot of trees and vegetation privacy trees maybe such, you know, evergreen stuff that aren't going to blow a ton into my yard. As, as the, I believe Mr. Mayor stated. I think there's 15 foot lights back there now and, and they're very visible from my house. So the, the short of the parking lights, I also wanna just reiterate what the rest of the neighbors have been saying about that, the,
the three acres to be left alone. And my mother is here as well. She's at number seven. I'll speak for her as well a little bit. Those parking spaces right up to the, the property line. Especially with if you're doing shorter curbings, I'm a police officer. I can't tell you how many accidents I've been through where people, especially with and elderly unfortunately the gas instead of the brake and lunge forward. So things that might, especially with parking spaces, there may be cement, stanchions, something along those lines that would help prevent that A car
moving forward wouldn't go into the fence or into our yards. That's all I have at the moment. I appreciate your time. Speaker 1: Thank you. And I know that we have had that come before the board on other projects with putting up bollards for protection, especially with the storefronts and other things. She speak it for me now and, and would his mother like to speak? We're nicer than that. Hi Cynthia Barrows, I live at number seven, which is right next to number five. And as you know that property line is like right there.
And then I'm more concerned about if you decide to do more than or put the spaces there. I know the spaces look, Speaker 14: May I have your As please the library will be closing shortly. Please have all of your items checked out at this time, Speaker 1: You know, down the road we're going to keep, you know, traffic. I'm a very light sleeper and telling you right now, three o'clock in the morning being woken up from the big trucks coming to empty that dumpster that was in the back of that lot right there on the other side of my fence. And I'm not the only one on that street, the, you know,
three house, you know, within three houses down. I mean nonstop or other people coming to park go into that lot, you know, and they would throw stuff in the dumpster. Kids, somebody else had said, you know, we get a lot of traffic now 'cause of the trail. A lot of people come down our road 'cause even though it's a dead end street Doggs kids on the bikes, you know, just people walking, a lot of people come take a shortcut, come down our street, get to the end of the street. 'cause then you're right off on route nine
and all you have to do is go up the trip. So, and I, I would be a little more concerned too about if they decide to make more of a little park there to me, you know, like it would be great to have something for the neighborhood. But then I think what would happen is, you know, kids will start using it more later at night. You know, hanging out, you know, and not just kids. You, you, you know, you don't know. And I do a lot of walking and I go all over the place walking and I will walk all down, you know, 27.
But I'll come back and I would walk up and through the back and everything. I mean, yeah. You know, I'll walk up in the back of the parking lot and I'll, I mean my house is right there in the back and you know, and then cars would pull right up there and it's almost like they're looking right at you, you know, and I just got a little bungalow, but I can see perfectly who's out there in that parking lot from my back bedroom window if I'm in my bedroom. So, and I do get a lot of garbage in my yard too. To, to your question on the, about the dumpsters and, and and trucks.
Yeah. The dumpster's gone from that section now. It was, yeah. But it was, I mean, very loud, but I think also the point that Mr. Sson was making about the securing, not them, not in outdoor fenced areas. Yeah. But to have dumpsters that are within the building so that yeah, the noise is diminished. And I think probably hours as they relate to trash can be picked up or not. Yeah. And the lights too, because I have
to have complete darkness when I try to sleep. So I mean, you know, I've got the darkest shades in my room. So like I said, it's, it's, I know it's gonna be a lot of work going on and I'm, you know, the noise you can't, you know, but when it's nighttime and you just wanna go to sleep dealing with and all of a sudden kids hanging out or you know, noise going on somewhere else. Okay, thank you very much Joe. Was there any, anyone else? Yes ma'am. Hey puppy. Oh sure. Scott.
Speaker 15: Hi there. Excuse, excuse me. I'm Michelle Freeman. My father owns one and three Lake Shore Road, so the little l on the corner. So I have a couple questions for you guys just for clarification. So currently this property is owned by an individual. Is it remaining in his ownership or, it's Speaker 3: A good question. It will be. We touched on it briefly. So we will consolidate all the lots and that will become a condominium between us as a joint venture here and the current owner who will maintain ownership
of the two 20 building. We did something very similar at Avenue and Marriott. We have a similar relationship so we're, we're used to doing it that way. But it is a little unique. Speaker 15: So for, you know, basically this building that you guys are creating, you'll own it. Speaker 3: We will own the building, correct. But the property and somebody with condo law can probably explain it better than me. But my understanding of this is that, you know, we will own the building and the current owner will own their building and then sort of the areas around it. There's rules about how we share
and work together and maintain. I'll add that a lot of the maintenance is going to fall to our, to the rec assisted living residents. So we'll be in charge of maintaining all the snowplowing and a lot of the landscaping. Particularly the landscaping that's proximate to the lake shore community. Speaker 15: Okay, great. And then looking at your perimeter here, is any of this gonna be fencing or is it all like, Speaker 3: I I'm glad you and we should have maybe celebrated that a little bit better and that's a, we've been looking at this plan for quite some time,
so apologies for that. Yes, A lot of the perimeter, particularly along Lake Shore and through the, the sort of five lake shore lot that we are inheriting here, that will have a six foot fence, including along the perimeter of number one on the corner. So you'll, you'll have a a six foot privacy fence. Oh, Speaker 15: So the entire Speaker 3: Property. Yeah, it'll be, it's kind of a weird shape, right? Yep. But we'll have fencing that runs along the property line. Speaker 15: Great. So looking at that just it looks like right along
what would be our property line on three is there's gonna be some utilities. So your electrical, HVAC or what? No, well not each. Speaker 3: Generator. Generator. Yep. Speaker 15: Those generate noise. They do. Right. So just kinda looking at Yep. Ideas for ameliorating that, 'cause I, I do know of some other situations friends like that about like MathWorks they put in a berm and Yep. AEs and stuff Speaker 3: We can look more closely and of course talk, talk offline as well. But we will, our goal for that, knowing that we have
to do this for sort of emergency purposes, but we will enclose it with sound attenuating and we can get into the nitty gritty technical details that is used in emergency situations. There is testing that happens, I think it's once a week, once a week for 15 minutes. So it will, it will generate noise for that, you know, relatively short period of time. And we can also work together on, you know, restraining or finding the right time to do that on the weekly basis that it lasts for 15 minutes. Speaker 15: Okay. And I guess, I mean I don't know if maybe this is something we can talk
about offline or something, but currently our property is almost abut the current building there, which used to be a liquor Speaker 3: Store. Yeah, it's very close. Yeah. Speaker 15: And when it was used for that use, they rented the property from us, they paved it so that they could drive around the building. So we'd want that property returned to natural state, not be paid then process. Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. Speaker 15: And then the fence is there was something that they put up and it hasn't been maintained and then when the landscaper was renting it, he was like putting all of his stuff there,
like leaves dirt, there's pavement which would push the, the fence down onto our property. So obviously we would want that removed. Speaker 3: We if if possible I would love to meet you out there. I don't wanna use Yeah, use any more of your time but it's always helpful to walk it so we can talk offline, figure out how to coordinate that. Speaker 15: Yeah. So I think that's, that was all my questions. Thank, thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you. And anyone else seeing, seeing none? I, I don't see anything up. Okay, great. Thank you. So we'll look to continue to 17th
Speaker 3: I, I, yeah I think we might need a little bit more time and I know we're in that time of year and people are busy so we were hoping to reconvene Speaker 1: A year Speaker 3: And I don't know if I know the schedule yet. We're work Okay next. Okay. I was like maybe I missed it but if possible we'd like to request a January. Speaker 10: So the date that we were looking at, which would avoid holidays and also the select board's meeting schedule was January 14th. If the board was available at that day, I don't know if the applicant would be Speaker 1: Available. Speaker 10: We were looking at January 14th and the 28th.
Speaker 1: 14th and the 28th. Speaker 10: 'cause the select board is meeting the seventh and the 21st Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes our dates splash up there so we can figure out what we Absolutely. Speaker 3: It gives us a little more time to kind of maybe meet Speaker 1: The community. Speaker 3: And here's some, Speaker 1: So I know Doug is not here, but it's also not participating in, in this public hearing. Are the rest of the board members available on the 14th and 28th and Peter that includes you? Speaker 11: 13th and 20. Eighth and Speaker 1: 14th. Speaker 11: Oh, 14th and 21. Speaker 1: 14th and 28th.
Speaker 11: Sorry. Yes. It looks like I'm fine. Speaker 1: Alright, thank you. I will entertain a motion to continue to January 14th. So moved. Speaker 11: I'll second Speaker 1: It. Okay. Made and seconded all of those in flavor and I have to do it by by name because we're not all in the same room. Actually I just Speaker 11: Wanna comment Speaker 9: One other thing for them to look at and I think I probably need to do it before we continue it. Right. Okay. Yeah. Backup beeping has kind of come up a few times.
I think one of maybe the easiest way to have that is to not have trucks have to back up on site. So I know some of it's not really shown because it's staying as part of the existing office building. So I don't know if at least for trash trucks, you know, maybe not, maybe some of the largest deliveries might not be able to do that. But if they can just literally just circulate around, avoid having to backup, that'll take care of the backup alarm. Speaker 14: May I have your attention please Just kind of look at the library is now closing. Library items must be checked out at
Speaker 1: This time. Speaker 9: That's it. Speaker 1: And, and by the way, I think the library, we are staying, the library is staying open as long as the meeting is all you want down here, so no worries. You're not gonna get locked in here over, although I could think of worse places. Alright, so on that motion Speaker 9: I'll include your aye aye not Speaker 1: Thank Evan's. Aye. So we stand continued to the 14th of January and thank, thank you to everybody who came with questions. You know, stay in touch, keep those dates in front of you.
We won't send out another notice to, to tell you about the continuation. So make sure you have that on your calendars if you wanna follow us closely. And thank you very much to to the team, to all the work that you, not just the presentation but in the planning. Thank you very much. Alright, so if Amanda, we can have, so 1235, about 45. Sure. This is the, the T market and the signage Speaker 10: Decision was drafted. Circulated to the Speaker 1: Board. Sorry, excuse me for, for those of you who are, for those
of you who are here, we're trying to continue the meeting, just ask if you could go out to the lobby, get some minor things, some the houses. There's plenty of room to talk right out Speaker 9: The lobby. Our night is not over. Speaker 1: Kind of a little. Yeah like even that. Alright, Speaker 10: So the draft decision was circulated via email and also uploaded into your packet. This was only for the signage. I did try to make sure that the signage for Wegmans was removed prior to the installation of the T market in addition to the blue agave.
I believe they all have been removed, but just wanted to make sure it was crystal clear that those were being removed. With that being said, you, I believe you did vote to approve the signage. You were just waiting for the decision. So therefore decisions drafted if there's any amendments. And then the only other thing I do request is because we are in a different building, if we could allow, if the decisions voted to allow for the chair to sign the decision just so everyone doesn't have to convert. If that makes any sense. Speaker 1: So, so we had voted,
we we voted approval. Yes. And all we are doing now is voting decision running the decision itself. Yes. So on on the decision, we'll do this as a roll call vote. I'll start with you Peter. Speaker 9: Fine. Speaker 1: That that's not fine. Alan Speaker 9: Clear your aye may. Aye Speaker 1: Evans Aye. And Speaker 2: Alan you have a comma after your name, after your middle initial on the signature. Speaker 1: My, Speaker 10: I'll fix that right now and then if the board wouldn't mind having
and cherry sign it. Speaker 1: And do we need to close the public hearing? Does that come to us as a Speaker 10: I of already automatically the second you close it and you vote the decision though public hearing actually closes but you're more than welcome to. I am Speaker 1: I but Speaker 10: You do need to vote to allow you to sign it. Speaker 1: Alright. Okay. On on. I guess I'll look, I'll look for a motion. Speaker 9: I'll make a motion to allow the Terry Evans to sign on behalf of the rest of the board. Second. Speaker 1: Thank you. And all those in favor? I'll start with Peter. Peter. Aye Speaker 9: Include your aye my Speaker 1: Aye Evans.
Aye. Thank you very much. And Amanda, I will be over you, you tell me Speaker 10: Anytime tomorrow, tomorrow is fine. Speaker 1: Okay. Whenever you're available. Speaker 10: Okay. Speaker 1: Alright. And then we have planning board business. I know you've sent around the dates and we're, we're already putting that work to use. Yeah, Speaker 10: So what I did draft and it was not expected to be voted tonight, it was more just to acknowledge that a 2026 calendar, the planning board meetings has been prepared that meet the meetings that are proposed are basically they avoid where possible select board meetings,
other conflicts such as school closures or religious holidays or federal and state holidays. So they're, they are drafted. I was able, I believe, to get them all on a Wednesday night. It's not until November and December where you have conflicts really with the select boards meeting schedule, just trying to avoid the week of Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's. So if you could take a look and if you have any comments on that, if you could send 'em to me and then we would review it again on the meeting on the 17th. The only other question that there was is that we did receive the application
for the scenic road modification for 52 Everett. However we didn't get it in time to advertise it for December 17th. So the question came down to is the board wanted to have it started when you voted the project. And this is not talking about the logistics of the projects, it's just administrative, but we are not able to advertise it because it has to be advertised 14 and seven days prior to the opening of the public hearing in December 17th. We do not have time due to the time when we got the application.
So we can either call a special meeting, have it online on December 23rd, or we could just advertise it for the January 14th meeting, which Speaker 1: We, the library is now closed. Speaker 10: So just the question of the board and what availability is and what you would like to do. Speaker 1: Alright. And so which, which is more productive in terms of what, what the applicant is trying to achieve? Speaker 10: Well, the scenic Vermont is for the removal of trees and the sidewalk, right? So not a lot is going to be done between December 23rd
and January 14th. So in terms of timing, it's not that we're holding things up, it was just the board wanted it, but they have applied. So it's, you can just add a condition in that decision just that it'll go through. So it's really whichever way the board wants to. The 23rd or the 14th, Speaker 1: My inclination would be to say the, the 14th, as long as it doesn't hold up anything for, for the project and anything of substance.
And if we have it as a condition that that be in place before the decision is signed, we can do that. January. January 14th. 14th. Sounds fine. Okay, great. Speaker 10: I'll advertise that for January 14th. Speaker 1: Wonderful, thank you. And do you want, do you wanna go through Speaker 10: No, I don't. It's the same thing. This is something that often plenty boards and also other boards that do collect fees for their work do review periodically. We have not reviewed it in over four years,
which is a fee schedule. In such time we have amended the zoning bylaws. So there is a need to actually look at the fee schedule and the types of fees that we are collecting. For example, we do not have a collective fee for scenic road modification, so therefore there is no charge. However, there is work being done. So I did send out via email also in the packet a draft Speaker 1: Of a fee schedule. If the board members could review that and come on the 17th for further discussion, that would be great. I just wanted to acknowledge that it's in there and something that we do need to review.
Thank you and yes, and I, having looked over it, I understand why you wanted to have it reviewed, Keith. So, and we have nothing I'm assuming that members want to raise at this late hour. So with that I will entertain a motion to close the meeting. To adjourn. Adjourn. I'll second. All right on the motion to adjourn. Made and seconded. Peter Mayor.
Aye Evan's. Aye. Thank you. We stand adjourned at 9 0 3.