##VIDEO ID:https://videoplayer.telvue.com/player/994DtmGEsi0VDYK3jJI2BJ72GfgNIpU2/media/928787?autostart=false&showtabssearch=true&fullscreen=false## <v Speaker 1>I am calling the select board meeting of January 22nd</v> to order at 6:06 PM We will be entering into executive session to begin with pursuant to mass general Law, chapter 30 a, section 21 A three to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining where an open meeting will have a detrimental effect on the bargaining position of the public body and the chair. So declares an I do public employee committee on health insurance. And for item B, pursuant to mass general law, chapter 30 a, section 21, A three to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining, where an open meeting will have a detrimental effect on the bargaining position of the public body and the chair. So declares an I do Natick Police Officers Association, local 4 9 6 Massachusetts Coalition of the Police MOU Sergeant Promotion list. So at this time I'll entertain a motion to go into executive session. Moved by Mr. Sydney. Seconded by Mr. Evans. All in favor? We <v Speaker 2>Have to have a voice vote.</v> A voice vote. No. Linda <v Speaker 1>Linda's going to join us in executive session.</v> <v Speaker 2>Oh, okay. Got</v> <v Speaker 1>It. So I will take a,</v> <v Speaker 2>Doesn't this have to be roll call anyway? It</v> <v Speaker 1>Does. Yes. So</v> <v Speaker 2>We got it. Aye. Aye.</v> <v Speaker 1>Ms. Pope. Aye. Mr. Evans? Aye. Mr. Sydney? Aye.</v> And I'm an aye. So I'm a Yes. That's four. Zero zero. We are in executive session and we should be back at about six 40. Thank you. Back in open session at 7 56. 6 53 announcements. <v Speaker 2>Hang on, I gotta get the, oh, you wanna turn this?</v> Pledge? Pledge? Thank you. <v Speaker 1>After now. Oh, just the pledge.</v> If everyone in the room, for those of you who could stand, would you join me Stand to say the Pledge of Allegiance and observe a moment of silence for those who are serving our country, our Commonwealth and our town. I pledge allegiance <v Speaker 3>To the flag of the United States of America</v> and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible. Liberty. Liberty and Justice for all. <v Speaker 1>Thank you.</v> <v Speaker 3>Mr. Evans, will you be doing the roadside banner?</v> <v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay.</v> <v Speaker 1>I can go on with the other ones first.</v> <v Speaker 4>Sure.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay.</v> So we have a couple of announcements that are not on the agenda on Thursday from seven to 8:30 PM at the community senior center. We'll we, the Natick 1 0 1 series continue with the discussion of the school committee that will be in person and streaming. So I encourage you to join that. Also, there is a survey on our homepage, natick ma.gov for the, the, the, your thoughts about the Community Preservation Act or community preservation fund and how the committee should be using those funds. So I encourage you to take the survey and there's, it's a flash vote survey, so it closes tomorrow at 11:00 AM If you have an opportunity, please go to a website and take the survey. Third, there is a town meeting members, excuse me, town meeting members. For those of you who wish to run for town meeting, there are still some vacancies and some precincts. You have until February 4th, 2025 to go to the clerk's office, pull papers. I think you need to get 10 sign 10 signatures in your precinct and turn them in so that your name would be on the ballot. And a reminder to incumbents whose seats are up, you need to have your papers, your forms signed and into the clerk's office by January 28th. And that's all I have. Mr. Evans? <v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm trying to remember how share</v> need to be able to share my screen. John or Jamie, you should be able, thank you. Okay, <v Speaker 5>Thank you Madam Chair.</v> I just wanted to show this great work that the Natick 180 team has put together on the, on the select board liaison to Natick 180. And this is a anti drunk driving banner that will be in located in several places around town. It's been tested on both students and adults and it really seemed to resonate with a lot of people. It's actually based on a national highway traffic safety phrase that's your buzz could kill. And so it's been adapted for local because in the conversations that we had, you know, one of the phrases that gets used is don't be a buzzkill. So we sort of riffed on that a little. So I wanted to bring this to people's attention and talk about the two drivers of this who were as Astrid Dretler and Lizzie Chafin who have done a tremendous job pulling this together and being tremendously c creative and socializing it. So I just wanted to give them a shout out 'cause it's great work. Thank you. <v Speaker 1>Thank you so much Mr. Evans.</v> Now we enter the part of the meeting called Public speak or the section of the meeting for public speak. Any individual may raise an issue that is not included on tonight's agenda and it will be taken under advisement by the board. There'll be no opportunity for debate during this portion of the meeting. Due to the requirements of open meeting law, this section of the agenda is limited to 10 minutes and any individual addressing the board during the section of the agenda shall be limited to three minutes while the select board endeavors to ensure that all interested persons have the ability, the opportunity to address the select board due to time constraints that may not be possible. In cases where there is intense public interest in a particular topic, the board may schedule a future meeting to allow for further public input. Is there anyone in the room who's, who is here for public speak? Seeing none, is there anyone in Zoom land who is online and we should address the board? Seeing none, we'll move into the discussion and decision portion of the agenda. Ms. Voya had requested to go first for her water and sewer abatement. My wife make it. Okay. If you could approach the podium and introduce yourself. Sure. <v Speaker 6>Yeah. My name's Rick Voya. Yeah, my wife had set this up.</v> Yeah, we got our, we got our bill and there were the October timeframe that was way outta line for what we usually do. And my wife had gone to the town and applied for abatement, got denied. My theory, what we believe happened is the, we have a landscaper comes every week and he, you know, he's a great guy, comes every week and didn't do anything, didn't do anything wrong. But what he let us know towards the end of the period was that this one section, the end of the one with this one section of our lawn was like wetter than it was the previous weeks. So I think my theory is, is what I'm thinking happened is that when the irrigation company blew out the lines the year before that they did some damage to it. And then it wasn't apparent when I turned. 'cause what we did is, I mean we use outside water to wash cars and stuff like that. And then we have the irrigation system on a, a completely separate shutoff after going through the normal turn, the water on the grass is going brown. And me saying, no, let's save water. Right? We finally, finally turned it on and it just didn't seem to, it was if the, if I think what happened then as the pressure just kind of opened it up more than was usual and then it just didn't make itself apparent until the end of that particular period or close to the end of that particular period, which immediately we shut it off and had the irrigation company shut everything off. So we were hoping to get some relief on the bill 'cause it's kind of way out of norm for what we use matter of like really outta norm for what we use. And we were advised to come here and ask if that was possible. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Savoia. Mr. Marshall,</v> <v Speaker 7>Thank you.</v> Members of the board, this is a irrigation system that had come to administration per the board's policy. Irrigations are systems that administration can't approve per the policy. And so goes to the board. We did look back historically at the usage at this location and looking back over three years, the high use was, I think it was 52. There were a couple of years where it was actually one which if they weren't using water 'cause it was an irrigation meter, you know, for that period of time. Makes sense. We typically don't look back further than that three year period of time. 'cause that's what we have three years, three years, three same quarter, same. I should define that a little more same quarter during that period of time. So, you know, in looking at that, I did provide a calculation based on whatever the board chooses. You know, typically there's, you know, if it is something that administration has the ability to review outside of an irrigation meter, we would look for bills or repair information or things along those lines. I don't know if we've received anything in this instance, but, you know, that's typically what we would look for <v Speaker 6>Repair information from,</v> from us. Is that what you're referring to, <v Speaker 1>Mr.</v> Mr Voya? All, all questions should come from the chair. Oh, I'm sorry. I just want you to wait for Okay. Sorry. Until Mr. Marshall finishes. <v Speaker 7>Yes. Wait. So it, it would be related</v> to repairs from if someone came out and serviced it or they found an issue or there was a repair done or photos or things along those lines. And I think we actually call that out within the request itself. So, <v Speaker 1>Okay, Mr.</v> Savoy, go ahead. You were asking a <v Speaker 6>Question.</v> I was just wondering when it said prepare information. 'cause I know the, I watched last week and listened to the, to the person who's applying then. And I was referring wonder if it's referring to repair information that we had done as a result of the, the this happening to show that we had found and fixed the problem. If that's the case, then we, given that the water is already off, it didn't make sense for, or this, the irrigation system is already off. The plan is to have them repair it in the spring when they come back, it didn't make any sense to have 'em turn it back on and fix it after they've already blown the system out. So just was looking for clarity on that. <v Speaker 1>Does, does the irrigation company accept responsibility</v> for the, for the damage or for the leakage or whatever it is that <v Speaker 6>Happened?</v> We haven't called the irrigation. We, when I called them to ask about what to do about it, they said wait till spring. I didn't ask about the responsibility factor because again, we don't know what happened until we can get the, until they can take a look and see what's there. And that won't happen until next spring. My personal opinion, I highly doubt that they would accept responsibility because they're doing, you know, dozens of these a day. It just happens to be, I mean we've had the irrigation system since the house was built, so, okay. It's just an unfortunate set of circumstances, I believe. <v Speaker 1>Okay. Mr. Sydney, you had a question?</v> <v Speaker 8>My questions answered.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay. Questions from the board, Mr. Evans?</v> <v Speaker 5>I just wanted to thank Mr. Marshall for clarifying</v> something for me on the meters. And one of the questions I had was looking back on this comparable periods further back, it was, you know, there was a one but that, that accounts for them not using for So Madam Chair, you're ready for a motion? I'm ready to give on <v Speaker 1>Ms. Pope, do you have any questions?</v> No. Ms. Wilger? Oh no, Mr. Evans. <v Speaker 5>Yeah, I moved to move to</v> have an abatement in the amount of 1 57 44, which is calculated as follows. The, the highest previous three quarters was 52 units at 5 89 64. The use in excess is therefore $71 and 84 cents for those 16 units. And the highest plus the excess equals 8 81 48. And the difference between just over a thousand, I forget what it was, is now makes the abatement amount 1 57 44. <v Speaker 8>I'll second that if I may, you may the</v> first of all the, you pay for the water you use 16 units are at the lowest tier, not at the over usage. And the highest plus access is 6 61 4 48, not 8 81 48, which is where we come with the 1 57 44. <v Speaker 1>So Ms. I just, I was I understand correcting the</v> <v Speaker 5>Reading. Yeah. Thank you.</v> <v Speaker 1>So I understand bottom line the motion is</v> for an abatement amount of 1 57 44, is that correct? That's correct. And the second is Mr. Sidney? <v Speaker 5>Yes.</v> <v Speaker 1>Ms. Slager? Yes. Ms. Pope?</v> Yes. Mr. Evans? Yes. Mr. Sydney? Yes. And I'm a yes. 5 0 0. Thank you Mr. Spo and good luck in the spring. Thank you. <v Speaker 5>Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 1>Second item on the agenda,</v> we're gonna go to the introduction of the new Natick Cultural Center District Executive Director. Mr. Joseph. <v Speaker 9>Thank you Madam Chair. Good evening.</v> Members of the board in town administration. My name is Paul Joseph, currently the chair of the economic development Committee, a business owner downtown, and the former interim executive director of Natick Center Cultural District for the better part of 2024. Very pleased tonight to represent the Natick Center Associates Board on their behalf. And welcome and introduce to the community Heather Rockwood. Heather was the recent appointee and hired on as our executive director succeeding Athena Pandolph and a very high profile and very impactful position in the community. So we're very excited for Ms. Rockwood to bring her talents and experiences to the community. I know you have a copy of her resume or CV online through Novus agenda. And with that I just would like to welcome her to the podium. We've welcomed her to Natick. There was a meet and greet tonight at seven South. There will be another one next Monday morning, I believe it is. It's 7 38. Eight 30 in the morning at eight Court Street if you'd like to meet her in person at the Natick Center Cultural District offices. But with that, I'd just like to welcome. Would, <v Speaker 8>Would you send an email to the select</v> board so we remember that <v Speaker 1>Mr.</v> Yeah, I was just trying to write that down. If you could send just a brief note, you're killing <v Speaker 9>Mr.</v> Clerk, but yes, I'd be happy to do that. <v Speaker 1>Sure. Thank</v> <v Speaker 8>You Mr. Joseph. Thank you Mr. Joseph.</v> <v Speaker 1>Welcome Heather.</v> <v Speaker 10>Thank you so much for having me here.</v> And I'm very happy to be the new executive director of the Natick Center Cultural District. I come from a background of museum work where I did social media marketing communications, event fundraising, grant writing membership. So my background is quite varied. I also had the opportunity to volunteer in the town where I live, live in Attleboro, but I do hope to be moving to Natick or the Natick area soon. So thank you so much. Thanks for having me and I'm excited to be here. <v Speaker 1>Ms. Pope. Welcome. We're happy to have you here.</v> <v Speaker 10>Thank you</v> <v Speaker 1>Mr. Evans.</v> <v Speaker 5>Thank you Madam Chair. I had the privilege,</v> I haven't met Heather yet, but I had the privilege with talking to a few downtown businesses in Natick and each of them express their great enthusiasm of, of having you on board. And so I welcome you to NA and thank you for applying. Mr. Joseph has a big sigh of relief. I can see you guys body language. And I also wanted to say that you had the, one of the best resumes I think I've ever seen in terms of layouts and skills and in dealing with people with tact. There, there were certain things that resonated with me and said like, wow, I shouldn't adopt that one or steal that one or something. So welcome. <v Speaker 1>Thank you so much Mr. Sydney.</v> <v Speaker 8>Yes. You have some immense shoes to fill</v> and based on what I'm seeing, you are gonna be well qualified to fill them. Thank you. And I really look forward to seeing what you bring to us in Natick. In my opinion, we have one of the greatest cultural centers in the, in the Commonwealth. I'm gonna tell you what I told Athena from last year's MMA, I went to a presentation about how to improve downtowns and one of the, I I was hoping to learn something to bring back and what I learned was that we have one of the best in, in the commonwealth already. So I, I look forward to making it even better. And I wholeheartedly welcome you and look forward to what you're bringing. <v Speaker 10>Thank you so much. I agree with everything you just said.</v> <v Speaker 1>Well, I dito my co i dito my com, my colleagues' comments</v> and look forward to getting to meet you. Thank you so much. Thank you Heather. Thanks for coming in. And Pa oh, I'm sorry Ms. Ger. <v Speaker 11>Thank you Madam Chair. Just wanted to say welcomed.</v> Heather, we're very excited that you're here. I understand it was a very competitive process and that, you know, you rose to the top and congratulations for that and look forward to working with you and hearing all the creative ideas that you'll have for our Town. So thank you. <v Speaker 10>Great. Thank you so much</v> <v Speaker 1>Mr. Joseph.</v> <v Speaker 9>Thank you Madam Chair. I'm sorry I should have</v> set this up front, but Ms. Wal Waller's comments really brings it back to the fore. I, I do want the community to know we had almost 50 applicants for this position and a screening committee of this, of the board of Natick Center Associates winnowed that down to seven top contenders. And I just want to, to kinda convey those numbers to you, not only to celebrate again, what Heather brings to the table in terms of strengths, but also the attractiveness of this community. So I think we are, we are experiencing a moment here and I think it's really important for the community to understand with all the development, with all of the discussion about the override. And there's a lot going on in town, but one of the things we can all rally around is our Natick center. And the things that have been done over the last, it'll be 13 years this summer with the cultural district, I think have done a lot in terms of creating a feeling of home and a feeling of connectedness to this community. So again, I think we made a strong hire here, but it, it, the, the numbers to the selective process really speak to that interest. Thank you. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Joseph. Welcome.</v> And we look forward to getting to know you. Moving on the agenda to the board debrief regarding the form held last night on the potential override, Mr. Erickson. <v Speaker 12>Sure. So there was a forum last night,</v> a potential override and we felt it appropriate to have an opportunity for the board to debrief. All cutting aside the forum, in my opinion, was well attended. It was in the lower level of the Morrison Institute Library. We had some, some great questions and I think actually you summed it up nicely at the end along with it, because you and the vice chair of the school committee were, were co moderating, moderating sort of the themes that we heard. There was also some new materials presented both from the town and the school department. So I encourage anybody watching to go to the override website in the natica ma.org website because we're posting everything up there that is presented or discussed at a meeting in, in a physical form. And all those materials are on, on the website. We try to get up there as early as possible either that night or the next day. Sometimes based on feedback or information that comes from the meeting, we, we try to just, you know, make sure that it's, that it's as accurate as possible to what's presented. But all those materials are up on the, the town's website now. And we have another forum planned in February, February 11th. It's designed to be sort of post the release of the full budget. You know, each of these meetings were able to give a little bit more detail, but the, the true detail will come out for both the town and the school side and the shared services and the full budget, which will be released in early February. On February one, the deadline, that's a Saturday. So really on February 3rd, that following Monday is when it's gonna be sort of fully released. There's also a tentative lease scheduled joint meeting of the school committee, the select board and the finance committee on that night of February 3rd. I say tentative just because we just, we need to post it and get the final details together as the board. So it's almost definitely that night, likely starting at six o'clock. Then the public forum on the 11th, which will be an opportunity for the public to really ask questions and dive into some of the details. And then another public forum in March, blanking on the exact date in March, but it's on, it's, that's also posted on the town's website. The public forum in February is planned for the community senior center. We did hear feedback from members of the public about having a interactive component, meaning a re basically remote participation. There are challenges with remote participation in larger venues like the library or the community senior center where we're also trying to accommodate Pegasus from taping and rebroadcasting and just broadcasting perspective. But we are, we've been in contact with Randy Brewer Pegasus to see it might be clunky, it might not be ideal, but we can see if we can get some type of remote participation for the next two forums in those venues or potentially a different venue. But we're hoping that we can keep it in those venues since we've already posted those venues. Having done that, try to do that in the past. It it's, it's really not something that is technologically ideal, ideal or easy, but we'll, we'll do what we can. Just one comment on that. We are working to upgrade the facility in the lower level library, but that's probably 12 to 24 months out before we can actually do that work to make it more streamlined with remote participation. <v Speaker 1>So to be clear for the public, we only have three places</v> in town where we can have, where we have the technological capacity at this point to do Zoom and Pegasus at the same time. This room, the school committee room is there a third one and the <v Speaker 13>The senior center,</v> <v Speaker 14>The high school</v> <v Speaker 1>School,</v> <v Speaker 12>High school's not totally there.</v> I think some of the newer technology at the Kennedy Middle School might have something there. That's <v Speaker 1>Right Kennedy.</v> <v Speaker 12>But it's really this room.</v> Exactly the school, the school committee room, one floor above us and then some limited capacity within the Kennedy Middle School and maybe one of the school property. All others, we kind of have to pick and choose which ones we have. And part of that's just the integration of the sound system into the Zoom platform. Like here we have mics, it's integrated in Pegasus picks up the feed from the mics and broadcasts it through Zoom. That type of technology is not set up in other rooms yet. We ha are working, like I said, to do the two conference rooms, the lower level of the library as well as redo these two rooms here in town hall to update that technology and update that capacity. It's just been a process for, for a number of years because we need to update some of our IT infrastructure and capacity of staff just to get that work done. We have the funding, it's actually through our cable subscribership program because it's linked with Pegasus and the ability to broadcast through the government channels. It's just a matter of getting the technology in place and getting it going. So <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Erickson.</v> Mr. Evans, a <v Speaker 5>Quick one.</v> The March date is March 12th. <v Speaker 1>Thank you. And that's at the lower level</v> of Mors Library Morris again? <v Speaker 5>Yep.</v> <v Speaker 12>Just to continue</v> to debrief on last night's meeting, some common themes that we heard were really questions about what is an override. We provided brief overview of that, some details on some of the school side of the budget, meaning where they were able to detail a little bit more about some of the cut areas, should there be no override and even with an override, they, the school department is looking at some reductions. So is the town, it's just not to the scale of the school department. We're just looking at other types of reductions. So for example, on the town side with no override, we're actually having a year over year net decrease in budget with an override. It's only an increase of about one to 1.2%, which is far below our typical, which is usually three to 0.25 ish percent. So we are seeing efficiencies and you know, for lack of a better term cuts, it's just in a different way. And our programs are very different and the way we program and budget is also very different given that we're not sort of confined to a school year. You know, a school year has a start and an end. We don't really have a start and an end. So we can be a little bit more flexible with some of our budgeting processes and, and, and how we handle some of, some of our budgeting. Those are some themes that we heard. We also heard really just continue just questions around where are some of the override funding, where they would go. And I encourage people to look at the presentations that have been presented both on December 16th last night, as well as last week to the select board. 'cause we did cover, for example, the free cash spending plan that shows with no override versus with an override where free cash funding could be spent. Which as we discussed last week and last night, any free cash, we free up will go to help support capital with no override. We really have no capital program for next year, other than what we can repurpose from existing projects that are closed out with an override. We can, we can actually largely keep up with our capital program. It's still gonna be tough, tight, but we can largely keep up with our capital program. So those are some of the common themes from the discussion last night. <v Speaker 1>Mr. Evans,</v> <v Speaker 5>I just add one more thing to the</v> free cash and, and capital. We have a five year capital plan and if we don't get the override, it has a ripple effect in subsequent years that these capital projects don't go away. The things that need to be replaced, repaired, et cetera, have one more year of wear on it. So it it, it just kicks the can down the road a little. <v Speaker 12>And just just for context, our capital program includes</v> things like maintenance of facilities like, like town hall, the library school, all of our school buildings, maintenance of fields, upgrades to fields or parks, roadways. I was definitely reminded of that at the end of the meeting last last night that I need to continue to mention roadways. We do, for the last several years, we've been adding about $2.5 million in funding to support roadway improvement projects in town with no override. That essentially goes to zero from the townside. We do still receive chapter 90 funding through state resources, through the state program and, and vehicle fleet, which supports our public safety vehicles, you know, fire department, ambulance services, police and DPW, like trash and recycling pickup and, and the like and plowing and, and everything. So having even just one year of lost ability to cover capital definitely has a ripple effect in the organization, has a ripple effect on our ability to provide services and actually leads to greater costs down the road in many cases. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Erickson. We're going to skip.</v> The next thing we're gonna discuss is the 2025 membership fees for Memorial Beach since we have staff here and this is a continuation of a topic that we were discussing two, two weeks ago. <v Speaker 15>Thank you Madam Chair and the board for having me.</v> I'll again introduce myself. Thank you. I am Lauren as of today, the director of Recreation parks. Thank you. <v Speaker 1>Official congratulations. Thank</v> <v Speaker 15>You.</v> And I have sent a memo with an adjusted Memorial Beach fee rate increase. You will not see too much of an increase to what we had last proposed to the monthly season passes, but we have proposed a significant increase to the family maximum that we had discussed at the previous meeting. <v Speaker 1>I'd like to take questions from the board, Mr. Sidney.</v> <v Speaker 8>Thank you. I think we were discussing the possibility</v> of including a needs based discount. Is that in there? I did not see it in your latest memo. <v Speaker 15>Yep. So the latest memo we have internally considered that</v> that financial aid component will come back with the rates that we have proposed. <v Speaker 1>So in other words, they would apply</v> to the Natick Service Council and if they apply, if, if they qualify then they would have a discount. <v Speaker 8>Okay. I just wanted to make sure that was included</v> because it wasn't clear from the, from the memo I read. <v Speaker 5>Thank</v> <v Speaker 1>You. Other members of the board. Mr. Evans, just</v> <v Speaker 5>A quick question on the family pass maximum,</v> everything else has a non-resident and non-resident. Can you explain why we don't have that? For the family pass? <v Speaker 15>Yes. Our non-resident pass rates are incredibly low.</v> We sell 20, 25 of them for the whole season. So we just don't feel that that discount is warranted for the non-resident. Okay, <v Speaker 5>Fair enough.</v> Thank you. <v Speaker 1>Any other questions for members of the board?</v> I for 1:00 AM really pleased with the way you've broken this out and I didn't email this to you earlier, but would, do you have a sense of year over year what, what this would mean in terms of revenue new? <v Speaker 15>We're looking at about the same revenue that we had kind</v> of projected out at the last meeting of about six grand being the baseline with the discount provided. As we mentioned in the last meeting, those aren't subsidized by any grant or nonprofit or additional funding. They're just discounts applied to the cost. So <v Speaker 1>It's just redistributed.</v> Yep. Thank you very much. Yes, Ms. Poach <v Speaker 16>Again, congratulations.</v> I do have one question. How did you come to the $250? <v Speaker 15>So that number will include two adults</v> and two children just based off of it being kind of a family pass in quotations, if not a residence pass that is the full price of four. If you add a fifth member of your residence, you will get a discount kind of significantly off that fifth member. And then anything above that will be included in that maximum. So we were looking at just about, you know, an an average household size. <v Speaker 16>Thank you</v> <v Speaker 1>Ms. Slager.</v> <v Speaker 11>Thank you Madam Chair.</v> Thank you for making the adjustments from last time. And, and just so I'm clear, the amount that has been raised since we last met, that's to take into account the, the discounts that you expect to be receiving from the service council. Is that correct? <v Speaker 15>Yes, that's correct.</v> <v Speaker 11>All right.</v> So we expect this, as you said earlier, to be about the same amount of revenue to the town as in the previous model. Yes, <v Speaker 15>That's correct.</v> <v Speaker 11>All right. Thank you.</v> <v Speaker 17>Awesome. Dr. Sorry.</v> <v Speaker 1>Dr. Mackenzie, please if you could come to the microphone.</v> <v Speaker 18>Donna Mackenzie, I have a quick question</v> that I asked before. And what do you mean by the discount from the Natick Service Council? And if I was a family suffering from low income, how would I find looking at these rates that there were people in the community available to help me get beach passes for myself or for my family? <v Speaker 1>Thank you Dr. Mackenzie.</v> <v Speaker 15>All of our financial aid offerings are promoted in our</v> like program guide and online. So families that are looking for information on subsidies can find that information online. They can also contact our office. I would say that's the most common way to find out about our discounts is when they ask if there are other ways to decrease the cost of programs. Our in-house office staff will lead them in the right direction to the service council approval process. <v Speaker 1>Thank you very much Mr. Coburn.</v> <v Speaker 19>Thank. Thank you Madam Chair.</v> I just quickly want to say how pleased and grateful I am to see this come back this way and how proud I am to live in a town where our administration and our recreation management can be responsive to this kind of an opportunity to do the right thing for our residents. <v Speaker 1>Thank you so much Mr. Coburn.</v> <v Speaker 5>For a motion.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm looking for a motion to approve</v> <v Speaker 5>Move to approve the, let's get the right wording here.</v> Wrong side. The membership fees for 2025 for Memorial Beach as presented tonight. Second, <v Speaker 1>Seconded by Ms. Pope.</v> Moved by Mr. Ren, seconded by Ms. Pope. All in favor, Ms. Slager? Yes. Ms. Pope? Yes. Mr. Evan Effin. <v Speaker 5>Yes.</v> <v Speaker 1>Mr. Sydney? Oh yes. And I'm a yes. 5 0 0. Mr.</v> Coburn, did you still have your hand? Nope. You did not. Thank you. We'll move on to the next agenda item, which we will, since we still have staff here, I would like to move to the update to the building department fee schedule, accessory dwelling units. <v Speaker 20>Hi, thank.</v> <v Speaker 1>Thank you.</v> <v Speaker 20>Hi, thank you for having me. I'm Amanda Loomis.</v> I am the director of community economic Development. So as you may or may not be aware, February 2nd is Fastly approaching. Natick actually created the accessory dwelling unit bylaw back at the 2024 fall town meeting. With that, we took the process and kind of changed it up a bit because we knew a lot of the lots within Natick are non-exec, are non-conforming due to law area and lot frontage. So therefore they're just gonna go through a straight building permit process. If it does go to the ZBA, we have two options. And the first option there, ZBA is not reviewing the project for if the A DU can be built or not. What they're reviewing it for is dimensional relief if needed. That's side setback, rear setback, lock coverage, those kind of items. The second type of ZBA review is a special permit where you're having two or more accessory dwelling units on a lot. So with all of that, what we would like to do is that create A A DU or accessory dwelling unit application review fee. That would be a one-time fee, which would be at the set $500 based on the outline outlined in the memo I had sent previously. And it would cover review. And so with that, an applicant would submit their application, the building commissioner, the fire police, DPW, and members of CED when applicable would be reviewing the application. And DPW would be providing guidance to the applicant to basically finalize their application for the building permit phase ADUs are allowed as of right. And we're not taking that type of review away. However, they do need more than just a straight building permit because they need to be reviewed in terms of what are the four levels of review. Does this A DU fall into The applicants often need more guidance because there are additional fire building and energy code requirements due to fireproofing safety, et cetera. But then also we need to work with DPW for water and sewer connections or any other type of utilities. Also, another item is street opening permits. Hmm. So what an applicant can expect through this review is one, timely, two, they would be receiving their determination from the building commissioner as to what are the categories that they need to follow for the permit review process. But they would also be getting letters of comment upfront before they finalized their building permit application. So they could take that reducing cost to them later by basically not knowing what they were supposed to be doing. They would be getting the comment letters upfront. So we would like to propose the $500 fee. This is also something that there's no comparables. A lot of communities presently are either allowing ADUs via special permit through the zoning board of appeals or another method, but they're having to pay those application fees as well before they can even get to the building permit fee. So we're trying to streamline the process as we have done before. But again, this isn't to say no 'cause one accessory dwelling unit is allowed as of right. This is to make sure that the review and that they're properly implemented through the process. And there were two documents that you should have received. One was a markup of the fee schedule and another one was just like an outline of the reason for the fee schedule amendments, but also the process that would be following. I don't know if you have any questions. <v Speaker 1>Questions for members of the board, Ms. Pope?</v> <v Speaker 16>Yes. Thank you Amanda, for this outlay, is there any</v> situation or case where the fee could be waived? <v Speaker 20>So we typically don't waive our application fees just</v> because it would create waivers all the way through. So it's pretty straightforward standard to have the waiver because with this we're gonna have five different departments reviewing these applications. You can kind of give or take about two hours of time that's on the low end. So that's when you break it down basically a hundred dollars per department review per application. <v Speaker 16>Thank you.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yes, I know. Ms. Slager.</v> <v Speaker 11>Thank you. Thank you Ms.</v> Loomis, for the information, just, just a question about the process. Given that this is new and people may not understand everything that they need to be doing for ADUs, if, let's say something, somebody makes a proposal and they just don't have their, their ducks all in a row and it's likely to be declined, would they withdraw the application and then have to pay again a second time? Or how? How does that work? <v Speaker 20>Yep. No they would not. And that's a great question.</v> So no, that's actually what this is intended to do. 'cause we do get a lot of questions since this is relatively new for the Commonwealth being as of right. So what they would do is once they get into the A DU application review period, that's when we would be having meetings with the applicant meetings internally, providing them all the guidance. We're also working on guidelines so that we can provide the applicant so they can take that to their architect or their engineer or land surveyor so they can take that information as well. So basically they would be kind of not getting unlimited access to us, but they would be getting a lot of handholding and also guidance through that process. And then once they go to the building permit fee, that's, they should be ready to roll. <v Speaker 11>Okay, thank you. Have we had anyone apply yet?</v> <v Speaker 20>We have not had anyone apply yet.</v> We've had I think people wanting to apply, but because we've been waiting for the February 2nd, no one has applied yet. However, I can say that we have had a pretty steady stream on a weekly basis of people calling and asking for information on the ADUs and when they can apply. <v Speaker 11>All right, thank you.</v> <v Speaker 1>Any</v> other questions for members of the board? Ms. Loomis? I just had one question and if you don't have this at at hand that's fine. How does our fee structure compared to our peer communities? <v Speaker 20>Yeah, so typically what we update the a fee schedule,</v> we look at one the abutting communities, then we look at communities that are similar in demographics or size. And then if we're doing something like a specific use like we are doing right now, we'll look at communities who have that use or allow that use. So we don't have any comparables at this time for this type of review. Other communities do have an application review, but they actually have the application review, not just for a d use, it's any building permit and then they have the building permit fee. I see. However, when we look at our building permit fees, we are either on track with like Newton, I believe it was Newton Needham and there's a couple others. We're either we're in the middle of the pack, we're either higher than some lower than others, but comparable to the communities that we kind of compete with. But for this, unfortunately we didn't have anybody. When you look at what people are charging for the special permits for the ZBA, they're charging about $250. But that is for the ZBA application review. And that doesn't include like the abutters notices, which does not need to happen in this case either. Okay. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Ms. Loomis.</v> <v Speaker 16>I'm ready to make a motion.</v> <v Speaker 1>Ms. Pope.</v> <v Speaker 16>I move</v> that we accept the fee for the accessory dwelling units of $500 <v Speaker 1>Moved by Ms. Pope.</v> Second, seconded by Mr. Evans. Ms. Slager? Yes. Ms. Pope? Yes. Mr. Evans? Yes. Mr. Sydney? Yes. And I'm a yes. 5 0, 0. Thank you so much Ms. Loomis, you <v Speaker 20>And over the next few weeks you will see an update</v> to the accessory dwelling unit webpage to help guide people and checklists and then also the guidelines that we are preparing for people. Awesome. <v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you.</v> We'll move to the Soen house discussion. Two weeks ago we discussed and came to the B board, voted to prepare a letter of support for Natick Heritage to send proposals to Mass Audubon. I received the proposals and will be sending some feedback back to Natick Heritage because the proposals are, in my experience in communications with Mass Audubon, probably dead on arrival. But that doesn't mean we won't move forward with this. So what we're going to do is go through the draft letter. All correspondence from the board that we, we vote on is done in public an open meeting. So I'm going to ask Mr. E, it's on Novus for those of you who wanna follow at home. And I'm gonna ask Mr. Erickson to share his screen. So the letter is dated for tomorrow. I will open my draft of the letter to take comments and edits from the board, from members of the board. So at a high level, yes, Ms. Evans. Alright. Did you No, I was just gonna say at at a high level, I was asking for a six month delay and Extolled the new board of directors, the deep bench they have in experience in public administration and the importance of preserving the legacies of Thomassen and Sarah Wassam mug. Mr. Evans? <v Speaker 5>Thank you Madam Chair. I just wanted to say that first</v> of all, thank you for putting together the letter requesting the extension. I think all of the people in Natick Heritage want to see this commemorated. I think they now understand what needs to be done, hopefully to work with Mass Audubon to, to come to a understanding of what needs to get done and what's palatable to them. That only happens through earnest discussions with them and compromise without it. We're gonna be back here six months from now wondering what happened. So I don't want that to happen. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Evans.</v> You'll notice that the draft of the letter ends with alternatively, and I was looking to the board to see if they had any comments about what they would want to offer as an alternative. Otherwise we can just strike that. I left that open for comment. And Ms. Swogger, because I, I can't see your hand. Just go ahead and speak if, if you have anything to say, I don't want to leave you out. No, nothing, nothing to say right now. Okay. Mr. Evans? <v Speaker 5>I would, I think you summed it up pretty well.</v> We, we are waiting for the proposal that from Native Heritage and we, we do need to move forward on this. I think the date is February 19th. February, yeah. So we, we do need to move, move forward on that. Alternatively, I don't, I don't think we want to put that, put any alternatives in there. Okay. I think we want to have Native Heritage come up with alternative plans, one of which hopefully will be acceptable to Mass Audubon. I think Mass Audubon wants to move forward on this. They've been trying to resolve this for more than a decade. A lot of fits and starts. And I think now with the formation of the 5 0 1 C3 Natick heritage, there's an opportunity to move forward with this. So we'll see what happens. <v Speaker 1>Any other comments from members of the board?</v> <v Speaker 16>I did Oh, about ending without the, alternatively</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay.</v> The, the on Novus, I went through a, a stack of correspondence and pulled out the last correspondence where the two parties had almost gotten to an agreement. The stumbling block for the public's benefit and for native, native heritage's benefit has been that while the Mass Audubon would be happy to give a piece of the land to the land and the house to Natick, they're requiring that Natick indemnify them and carry insurance and or, or the entity to whom they entrust the land, which has been a stumbling block with our attorney. So when you, when you give land, if there's an accident or something happens, it's on the landowner's <v Speaker 5>Liability.</v> <v Speaker 1>Liability. But in addition to giving us the land,</v> they want indemnification and insurance and some other things. So what I'd like to do is I can make myself available on Monday the 27th for the members of the, the officers and directors. And I'll notify all of you by email for those of you who can, assuming Mr. Hoagland is feeling up to it. And I will also send you a markup with my comments about the proposals. The proposal has to come from NATA heritage. It's not a proposal from Natick from the select board. So do I have a motion to accept the letter? <v Speaker 2>It's all moved,</v> <v Speaker 1>Moved by Mr. Evans</v> <v Speaker 2>With the alternatively taken out.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yes. I just dropped it off the original. Okay.</v> Actually, there are some members I see Mr. Foss, Mr. Coburn was on. I know Mr. Soen is here. Could I do, do any of you have any comments or, or questions about the, the content of the letter? Mr. Soen? I Okay. Please approach the microphone. <v Speaker 21>Good evening everyone. My name is George Salton</v> and I'm an officer with the nonprofit that's been formed to deal with this issue. And I guess the, the one thing that I would like to be able to communicate, and I'm not gonna try to sell you on the value of the house 'cause I think we all know that already, is that there's been a fairly consistent message that we've received from Audubon over the many years we've been talking about this that communicated resistance to dealing with a private entity. <v Speaker 1>That is correct.</v> <v Speaker 21>Yes.</v> And their, their comfort level was enhanced by any discussion that involved, that included the town. And so if the town were willing to walk with us in this venture for even for a short amount of time, I think it would provide Mass Audubon with a fair amount of security in knowing that this project was being managed properly, professionally, efficiently, and that we had some accountability back to all parties concerned. I think that would provide them with a great deal of comfort and security in knowing that. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Sullivan. Mr. Coburn,</v> <v Speaker 19>There we go.</v> Yes. I I just want to say that we, we've, well I'm grateful to you, Madam Chair, particularly for taking what we could assemble in the essentially absence during critical illness of our organization's President and the rest of us got together and, and got what we could to you. And I, I am extraordinarily grateful to you to, for coming up with this draft, for moving the ball forward. There are some pieces to be picked up from basically a week when we've been significantly handicapped organizationally by the significant illness of our organizations president. And for you to keep this moving forward is, is just, I can't praise it enough. Thank you. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Coburn.</v> A couple of things I found out yesterday, I spent a bit of time in Sherborne, Sherborne had a Soen house. Some of you may know that house has been disassembled by the second to last owner. It was built about nine years after the Natick Soen house. That house is in a, a shipping container wrapped and protected waiting for someone to find a place to put it and waiting for somebody to raise the money to put it together. So this isn't the only building from around that period. This, I believe this was his house. It's a Soen bull and Bullard house. While I agree with Mr. Sen's comments that the reticence has been to deal with a nonprofit, and it's kind of fair, right? I mean, if a nonprofit can't indemnify losses or doesn't have a track record, which is one of the reasons, and we don't need to rehash what's happened in the past, but it's one of the reasons I wanted a nonprofit formed seven years ago. So there'd be a track record of fundraising and, and we don't have that. But I'm confident that writing a strong letter and saying that we need this additional six months, that we have a nonprofit with a deep bench of experience and especially experience in fundraising, Mr. Rio's, 23 years of raising money is impressive. And that's my background too. That doesn't come lightly. Grant writing is not a, an easy task. It's a specific skill. So I'm glad that he's involved in this. You know, we can hope that going forward we can get this back on track and have some resolution in the next six months. Mr. Sidney, <v Speaker 8>Thank you.</v> I just, I just wanna ditto what you were saying about the form of the letter. I think the, I think the key thing right now, and, and I just wanna stress this, is to get them to not demo the house. Yes. So that we can prepare an appropriate proposal and that proposal will contain all of the stuff that Mr. Sowan was talking about, about, you know, how we're gonna handle everything and, and how the indemnification is gonna happen and all that stuff. We gotta stop the demo first and then have the conversations after. <v Speaker 1>Right. We need a solid proposal though. Yes. Yeah.</v> That is, that, that is key because of course there's already been a lot of back and forth, there's been three extensions on the demolition. So we need to have a solid proposal and a sense where they have confidence. <v Speaker 8>Yeah, agreed. But I mean that the thing we need</v> to do today is <v Speaker 1>The letter asking is the letter</v> <v Speaker 8>To get them to stop the, the demo.</v> Yes. <v Speaker 1>Agreed. So, Mr. Erickson, I'm going to send you the,</v> the letter and word and if you could ask Mr. Walsh to send it by email to the two individuals who were there. I believe their emails are on the Mass Audubon website. Sure. Yep. That would be great. And we can send that out tomorrow. Absolutely. And for members of the, of the NA heritage, I'll be in touch with edits over the weekend. We are gone at a conference, but I ought to be able to finish up comments and get them to you so that we can talk on Monday and it could be a Zoom call. So we, we've had our vote and it's five and we haven't voted. We haven't voted. Okay. <v Speaker 8>And we don't have a second yet,</v> which I will happily do. I thought <v Speaker 1>Bruce,</v> <v Speaker 8>I thought Kristen.</v> Oh, she did. Did you second Bruce's motion? I don't, no. Oh, okay. I misheard. Sorry. Okay, I'll second. <v Speaker 1>Okay, so Bruce moved,</v> which Sidney seconded. Ms. Slager? <v Speaker 8>Yes.</v> <v Speaker 1>Ms. Pope. Yes. Mr. Evans. Yes. Mr. Sydney. Yes.</v> And I'm a yes. 5 0 0. And we'll go on to the next item. I'm going to move the proposed resolutions for the MMA business meeting to, to the end, because that's certainly not riveting for the public. And go on to the court Street place naming. So we have a relatively new policy that was put in place or with the last board on, Nope, not that about three years ago. About three years ago. Right. Mr. Hickey I think led that effort. Members of the public can petition the select board with 25 signatures to name a public place or any, it can include any portion of town owned buildings, parks, squares, parcels of land assets or facilities under the care, custody and control of the board. Any other places that are at other care, custody and control of other town boards, committees or commissions shall be referred, referred to those policies online. If a board member, a member serving on a, a board re makes a request for a naming, which in this case the request we received last October was from Jay Ball, who serves on the Natick Affordable Housing Trust, then the board can consider it. So there, there are different things we can do. The request from Mr. Ball is to honor the, right now, if you go throughout town, you'll see plaques and commemorating the service of servicemen. I believe we have close to 70 in town, <v Speaker 8>75 I think right now.</v> <v Speaker 1>75 right now.</v> And so one of the things I'd like to see are memorials and markers that note the accomplishments of Natick residents, including people who do not serve in the WIL military. And this is a request to rename Court Street as Carol ResMan way for the work that she's done in public art and celebrating and increasing the beauty of downtown. So I wanted to bring this to the board to discuss. There are several things we can do. I'll share, although it's not typical for the chair to share their perspective until everyone has had a chance to speak, I will share that my personal opinion is it's imp prudent to change street names except an extraordinary circumstances. But it doesn't mean we can't commemorate or have a plaque or some other naming device that will honor the work of Ms. ResMan. So I'll open it to the board. Mr. Sidney, grab me first. <v Speaker 8>Thank you. I am in favor of this.</v> I think that one of the things Mr. Ball suggested in his letter was that we put a second name on Court Street. So it's still officially Court Street, but has a a, a second name Carol Frenchman Way, which is, we, he points out has been done in a couple of other locations in town where there are two, there's, there's the official name and then the commemorative name. And I think that makes a lot of sense to do it that way. So that's my real one comment here. I'm other than I'm in favor of this <v Speaker 1>Mr. Evans.</v> <v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank you Madam Chair.</v> I'm going to ditto Mr. Sidney's point. It makes sense to me to follow that model. It's already been used. It, I know when I look at some of those signs where it's a double like Joe Greenberg way, I, I note that and it's, you know, why is this sign different sort of mentality and I think doing that to Court Street would be appropriate. I think I'd like to see, you know, the, but I, we as the select board can't impose putting a plaque on a building. Right. 'cause we don't own the building. We <v Speaker 16>Don't own the building.</v> <v Speaker 5>But I, I would love to see it noted on the sign</v> because they're get a lot of foot traffic down that street from people going to either Main Street or Tecan or a lot of different places downtown. So it would be noticeable to put it there. And it's a good affirmation of all the work that Ms. Gman did. <v Speaker 11>Ms. Wilger, thank you.</v> This is not speaking in any way about the merits of the proposal, but I'm just trying to understand how Mr. Ball's request fits into the guidelines. It, it wasn't a request from a committee, it was a re a personal request. And though I do understand that he is a member of a committee, I believe that the guidelines say it's the committee that has to do the, the requests, not an individual. Right. And and that's a my read of what the materials say. So I don't know. And, and it's in the process. A third paragraph, it says the board reserves to any of its members. So individual members of the select board or to any other elected town board committee or commission, not committee. Commission or board members. Yes. So I'm not sure if this is actually a, a request that we can do anything with. I don't think it follows our process. Again, that's just my interpretation of this. I don't know if others agree. <v Speaker 16>No, I think you're correct. I think I misread that.</v> <v Speaker 11>Yes,</v> <v Speaker 16>Ms. Poe. And that,</v> that was my question in reading the process, you know, request aside, were we in the bounds of the process, I feel like had it if done within our process. I think it is a great affirmation, and I like the model that Mr. Sidney brought up about putting the sign above the current sign. But that was my, my question too was about the process of it. Right. And a second question is, how often do we receive, and I don't know Mr. Erickson or or Mr. Marshall, how often do we receive renaming requests? Never. <v Speaker 12>I mean, we receive requests fairly regularly for naming</v> of intersections for veterans, veterans purposes. That's probably the most common that the board is, and the public would be most commonly aware of outside that it, it happens rarely, but sometimes it comes in, in, I wouldn't say waves, but sometimes it comes in sort of buckets. So for example, we had a number of requests about four years ago, I wanna say, but that was at the tail end of, of a number of projects that were being wrapped up, such as what is now the Connor Heffler Park E School. <v Speaker 1>JJ Lane.</v> <v Speaker 12>JJ Lane.</v> JJ Lane was one, but that predates, that's about 10 years ago. Plus the dog park. Oh, yes. Eddie's Park. Yes. And I believe the board also reviewed what was the Navy Yard field, which is now Whitney Field. Yes. So those all came together sort of around the same time, because there, those projects all wrapped up around the same time. Since that time, it's really been more the intersection program through the Veterans Affairs Office. In my experience in the past, you know, again, it's, it's maybe on average one a year outside of the Veterans Affairs Program, if that, you know, like I said, it's been those sort of part type projects or public space type projects that are most common to come to the select board. <v Speaker 1>Thank you.</v> <v Speaker 7>I, I believe the last one</v> that the board had voted on, approved with the new policy was the dedication of the Mike Rourke bench. That was outside of town hall. And that was under the new policy. I remember that because as being a Natick resident, I was able to sign the petition. 'cause as part of the process, you know, there's a need for signatures from 25 residents that get certified and verified by the downstairs. <v Speaker 8>Thank you Madam Chair.</v> <v Speaker 1>Mr. Sydney.</v> <v Speaker 8>Yeah. Given what we've just heard about the, the,</v> the guidelines and the policy, I, I, I personally, I personally would be willing to bring this forward under, as, as a member of this board, which it is allowed in this policy. I would, however, like it moved to another meeting when we could invite Ms. Krentzman to come and hear us make the dedication. <v Speaker 1>Well, we should move it to another meeting.</v> I would like to invite her after we've had a vote, because I don't wanna invite her and then have me say, for example, that I'm not in favor of having the sign as an alternative. So, for example, the two, the two examples we have, Joe Greenberg and Hucks Huck Sacks are both deceased. And I think, I think that something permanent like that in my opinion, is appropriate for those who have already passed. I would be in favor of honoring it with a sign that's in the, we can't put it on a building, but we can put it in the sidewalk or in the public way that we control, can't we? <v Speaker 8>Or on the same sign post that, or</v> <v Speaker 1>On the same sign post or, yeah.</v> <v Speaker 12>I mean, we, we'd have to review location</v> with aada a compliance and sidewalks and things on. Yes. We wouldn't want to make it constrictive of, but yes, we don't have proper rights necessarily to <v Speaker 5>Really attach anything to a private</v> <v Speaker 1>Building.</v> Of course. Yep. So I, I would like to move this to a, continue it to a, a meeting for us to, to talk about, for all of us to think about language and what we'd wanna see on that plaque. And then after the vote, let's invite Ms. Cressman. Yes, <v Speaker 5>Please.</v> I just ask a question about, and I, I have to confess that I haven't read the detail in the policy guideline, so I'm kind of winging it. But it seems, seems to me we're, we'd be kind of judging jury if we propose it rather than safe for the Natick Affordable Housing Trust to promote it and then get signatures. <v Speaker 1>I don't think this was a trust issue though.</v> It was a personal request. And I do, a member of this board can bring it forward. The policy says that members of the board or a board or a commission, I misread that before I put this on the agenda. So I apologize to the board. <v Speaker 5>No, and I'm playing devil's advocate</v> or to quote Jamie, I don't disagree. So I think <v Speaker 1>With my apology,</v> <v Speaker 5>Yeah,</v> <v Speaker 1>Just checking. Sorry,</v> <v Speaker 5>I</v> <v Speaker 1>No, I hear you.</v> It's been a long way. No, no, I hear you. <v Speaker 5>Okay, so now I understand. Now I'm good. Thanks.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay. Ms. Pope, did you have something? No, thank you. Ms.</v> Dorin, did you unmute yourself, please? <v Speaker 5>We're working on it. Sorry.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay,</v> <v Speaker 5>There we go.</v> <v Speaker 2>It's still there.</v> <v Speaker 1>Ms. Dorn, can you unmute yourself?</v> <v Speaker 5>There you go.</v> <v Speaker 22>It's, can you not hear me?</v> <v Speaker 1>We can now. We can,</v> <v Speaker 22>Yep. Oh, okay.</v> It was, it was saying the house was not allowing me to unmute myself. <v Speaker 1>It took a minute.</v> <v Speaker 22>Okay. Thank you.</v> I understand putting plaques on benches and renaming squares after families of brothers, whatever. I am just wondering, would it not potentially be very confusing to Amazon drivers and Uber drivers and FedEx if we have a Second Street name on the sign or nearby if people use that as their mailing address. I'm just thinking it seems like it could be create some problems. So just think about that maybe. <v Speaker 1>Yes, Ms. Doran, that was my, my comment</v> to have a plaque instead of a, a second Street name. <v Speaker 22>But someone had mentioned putting it on the</v> sign, so I'm thinking, <v Speaker 1>Yep.</v> And then I said that we would move it to that. My, my particular preference would be to have a marker like we do for veteran squares. <v Speaker 22>I also appreciate your comment about</v> how most things are honoring people who have passed and I kind of am feeling that too. But that wasn't my real Thank you. <v Speaker 1>Thanks Ms. Doran. I appreciate it.</v> Okay, so we'll move this to another meeting. We don't need a vote on it. We will not be discussing the use of the common policy as we're waiting for feedback from council. Transportation improvement plan, support letter. Aye. <v Speaker 12>I, I'll take that. Thank</v> <v Speaker 1>You Mr. Erickson.</v> <v Speaker 12>In brief, the tip,</v> which is the transportation improvement plan that is reviewed every year. Updated every year, and adopted by the, the Metropolitan Planning Organization, which is the regional planning organization that oversees this expenditure among other things of federal dollars related to transportation for the Boston region. So we're one of the communities within that Boston region. Long explanation to get to what a tip is. There's, there's always a number of projects in the region, Metro West region. The region itself, the MPO is much larger than just Metro West. It includes North Shore, south Shore, really the entire Boston metro area. Natick has been fortunate to receive funding through the tip. A number of projects through the years that Kadi Rail Trail was constructed with TIP funding. North Main Street was constructed with TIP funding and some funding has been identified on the tip for potential support of the Natick Center train station project. Not any impact on the delay of the project or anything, it's just the MBTA needs to go through the process to get access to that funding. And so this is a support letter to basically support that request. 'cause we obviously want them to, to continue with that project and make sure it gets done. We are also looking, just for your knowledge, so I might be back in the coming weeks or months to seek another support letter. We are, we have consistently been looking, so it's been on the tip for a number of years for funding to support the connection of the end of the rail trail to the platform as well as to North Main Street. That's been an ongoing project that we've been working to design and we need to get through that design process. It's currently, I believe, maybe three years out on the tip. The tip is a four to five year program, kind of like our capital improvement program for the town. It's sort of the region's capital improvement program, but they call it a tip instead of a CIP capital improvement program. It's tip. And so they plan out, you know, multiple years. Usually that first year is what gets funded and then there's outer years and our project there is in one of the outer years, like about two to three years out. So this is just a support letter asking the board to submit it. <v Speaker 1>Are there any questions or comments from the</v> board? I'll take a motion. <v Speaker 5>Sure. I'll move to support the sending of the</v> draft letter that we're seeing tonight from the chair to the Boston MPO. <v Speaker 12>Second.</v> <v Speaker 1>Is it a draft letter?</v> Well, it's draft until I sign it. Yeah. Okay. I guess the proposed letter. Proposed. Proposed, proposed letter. Okay. Better proposed letter moved by Mr. Evans, second by Mr. Sydney. Ms. Slager? Yes. Ms. Pope? Yes. Mr. Evans? Yes. Mr. Sydney? Yes. And I'm a yes. 5 0 0. Mr. Erickson, could you have Mr. Walsh put my electronic signature and change the date? Will do, yep. Thanks. Next item is the discussion of training for intervention programs, the tips, certification, alcohol policy. So for background, just open this up. A server asked whether or not we accepted in our policy the Massachusetts Restaurant Association certification, which is also called Serve Safe. So there's Serve Safe for food handling and Serve Safe alcohol Policy. Several years ago, the deputy chief met with them and at the time they only had online training. So it was not included in, this was pre pandemic not included in our policy. A server has recently been hired in town. And the Serve Safe, serve Safe, I'm just gonna say the Mess. Massachusetts Restaurant Associations Program for Alcohol Intervention Training is, it's the official program program of the, the Massachusetts Restaurant Association. So there are a number of people who take it through that. I, I spoke with four of the business owners that have the largest number of servers. So these were in them all. So it's put Shack, Dave and Busters. Bossy, bossy and Level 99. And I asked them if they were familiar with the program and they said yes. I asked our deputy chief and his concern was that they were only online. He wasn't aware that they had become in person and online. So you'll see a letter from me to the association and I believe, yeah, the letter back from Stephen Clark, who's the president of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association. So they do have in person, and I wanted to bring this before the board to add this as one of the accepted programs that we could use, which would be an update to the policy. A second item we need to bring up, but we're not going to bring up today because I'm having difficulty getting the minutes together or gathering the minutes from previous meetings. And I'll explain that in a minute. A second issue is, it is the Deputy Chief's understanding that all TIP certification is in person. My understanding is, and and based on the previous policy that was developed under the former chair, Paul Joseph in 2023, that the first one, if, if you've never been certified before, the first one would be in person and then subsequent renewals would be in online. Online. So I talked to Vinny at Z's, for example, and asked him what he thought about it. He, you know, if you have somebody who's been in the industry for 30 years, going every single time in person might be a disruption. And he thought subsequent ones being offered online would be, would be fair as long as the first time, because we do, we do recognize that when you go in person, it's a much more robust, rigorous program. You learn a lot more. So that's the second item. We can discuss that tonight. What I wanted to do before bringing it to the board to discuss is to go back and, and look at the meetings discussion to find out what in fact it was. So our previous, our previous policy said participation in one of the following is required, but it didn't indicate whether it was online participation or in person. Correct. So I sent that to counsel, our Alcohol co counsel, Mr. DeLuca, and he said it can be read either way. So we need to clarify that. So how often, how and, and whether the Serve safe would be acceptable to us as an appropriate program. So I open it up to the board for discussion. <v Speaker 16>Thank you. Madam Chair. Is Mr.</v> DeLuca saying that our current policy needs to be clarified? That it can be read either way in the policy as it as it is now or <v Speaker 1>No?</v> He's saying that the previous policy Okay. The one that we've been acting under for about two years. Okay. Whereby I and the deputy chief had a different understanding reading something that was am ambiguous or could be red and big. Could be read either way. Okay. So our current policy, <v Speaker 8>The one we just adopted, the one we two weeks,</v> two, four weeks ago, shoot, <v Speaker 1>Two weeks ago.</v> And ready, ready to, <v Speaker 16>It's gonna be Pull it out.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yes. Let me pull that up. Is is that up up on Novus?</v> <v Speaker 5>It is. It is, yep.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay. What are the thoughts of the board with reference</v> to accepting the Massachusetts Restaurant Association's serve Safe certification? Mr. Evans? <v Speaker 5>I'm sorry. I've done both</v> and I would say they're, they're pretty comparable. The fact that we're gonna require the first one in person, I firmly believe in that the, the, the first time is very much a, a educational experience and the, the online is just a reminder of yeah, you remember what you were taught three years ago or whatever. It was still applies. The law hasn't changed. So I think it is, it is more of a refresher. So I think it makes sense. We do need to agree, clarify that it's gotta be in person the first time around. The one question that I have for example, is suppose a person, you know, 'cause people might get served Safe or TIPS certified at one establishment and then go to another establishment. Does that certification follow with them? I thought it does and I just, but I just wanted to make <v Speaker 1>Sure it follows from place to place</v> until it expires. That's <v Speaker 5>What I thought.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay. Mr. Sidney.</v> <v Speaker 8>Yeah.</v> And just to, just to be, I mean, it, it, we could, we can amend the policy if we need to, but item C under section 11 two says, any insurance industry approved and qualified program offered by a certified trainer and previously approved by select board, we could just approve Surf Safe without actually <v Speaker 1>Amending the policy</v> <v Speaker 8>Without actually amending the policy. That's</v> <v Speaker 1>What I was hoping to</v> <v Speaker 8>Do.</v> And, and then we don't have to revote the policy and I think that's a reasonable thing to do because it's, it, it's pretty clear in our current policy, first one on, first one in person, and <v Speaker 1>Yeah, 11.3 says upon hiring somebody has 30 days</v> and if it's, if they're not currently certified, that employee must attend such training in person. So in other words, if they were certified five years ago and that certification lapsed after three years and they show up to be hired, they have to go do it in person. If they're hired, who's already, if somebody's hired, who's already certified by one of the above listed programs, which includes Mr. Sidney's comment about industry approved insurance industry approved and qualified program, then upon recertification that employee must attend Reach certification in person. <v Speaker 8>Yeah. So I think, I think, you know, we could approve,</v> we could approve the, and you know, and we may have other things to discuss in the policy. And you and I had a discussion the other day, I'd like to get that on the agenda as well at some point because of, and it's not on tonight's agenda, so I don't know if we can talk about it. No, but I would like to get that topic on as a possible amendment to the policy. So, but I think we can approve Serve Safe tonight and, and put everything else to bed. To bed. Yeah. <v Speaker 1>Okay.</v> <v Speaker 16>I remember us having this conversation in,</v> in some form before and I felt very comfortable with the in-person first and subsequent being online. And so I would be in agreement to approving Serve Safe. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Ms. Wilger.</v> <v Speaker 11>Yes. Echoing my colleagues.</v> I certainly would like to approve Serve Safes since it seems to be be a, a standard program that's accepted. But do we know for a fact, given Mr. Sidney's comments that it is insurance industry approved? <v Speaker 1>It is insurance. It is.</v> And the massa are, I'm positive the Massachusetts Restaurant Association has its own insurance wing and they, they use ServSafe. So has its own insurance, not Wing, what do you say? Like a arm? An arm if you will, where they offer insurance liability and otherwise workers' comp and things like that to two restaurants and they use Ser ServSafe. Yeah. Or they accept ServSafe. <v Speaker 11>Yeah. Okay. I'm just, they may accept it,</v> but I think approved is a slightly different level. So I don't know if it makes sense just to amend it to say that we yes, we accept ServSafe and if that's the case, are we gonna know in the future that we've done this without amending the actual agreement? I mean, how are we gonna know that? Yes. On this bus and such a date, the select board approved it. So I'm kind of indifferent about whether or not we actually change the policy or just approve it. But I do wanna make sure that whatever we do, that we can find it in the future. That we've done this <v Speaker 1>Well, in theory, we have minutes</v> and those minutes are usually detailed. But I do take your point, right? I take your point, Linda. That's a very good, <v Speaker 8>We could, we could just add an addendum at the end saying</v> that such and such a date Serve Safe was approved as an as, you know, without changing the policy. <v Speaker 5>Okay.</v> <v Speaker 8>Like a footnote,</v> <v Speaker 1>Mr. Evans,</v> <v Speaker 5>Why not just add it in as item C</v> and you know, we don't know, you know, this, there could be something else that comes along that's an and insurance industry approved program. Right. And by, by putting it in explicitly as a new item C and moving C to D, it just makes it crystal clear and I I don't think it's caused too much heartburn. <v Speaker 1>Okay.</v> <v Speaker 8>I'm okay with that.</v> I just, you know, whatever we'll have to have sign the policy again. That's all. Well, <v Speaker 5>We, yeah, we are gonna have to sign it anyway</v> 'cause there's some other things that have to change. So I'm just thinking rather than a footnote, just explicitly call it out. Could, could <v Speaker 8>We take this approach, we can approve it tonight so</v> that the restaurants can start to use it and then we can amend the policy when we amend the rest of do whatever else we're gonna do to the policy. <v Speaker 1>Okay. This is what I suggest.</v> We take a vote on accepting tips or serve safe. We informed the one server who's reached out to let him know that we have approved it. Let the minutes show that tonight we approved that under 11.2 as an accepted intervention program. And then we take up the rest of the discussion. Mr. Sidney has a, has a concern and I would ask all of you so that we don't have three and four more meetings on alcohol, which driving me to or drink or driving me to drink. Let's, let's go through the policy one more time and not at the next meeting. Let's move this to <v Speaker 8>The one after the 12th.</v> <v Speaker 5>At the 12th?</v> <v Speaker 8>No, after the 12th.</v> <v Speaker 1>After the 12th. Oh, so is that important?</v> The 19th, let's move this to February 19th. We have a meeting. So we will physically Mr. Joseph. Oh my gosh. <v Speaker 5>Hmm. It's a regularly scheduled program. Okay.</v> <v Speaker 1>Why? That's school break. Okay. That is school break.</v> <v Speaker 9>Thank you Madam Chair. At the risk of killing momentum.</v> Two quick comments. If you were to accept that, what you just said, item C right now says previously adopted by the select board. So I don't think you can accept it. There's a timing issue based on the wording. So I think <v Speaker 1>I would move C to D and have CCB serve safe.</v> Yes. Okay. That, so adding it as a specific 11.2 C, <v Speaker 9>It sounded like you weren't gonna do that tonight.</v> No. The other, I know there's been back and forth and I know you wanted to look at the minutes about what was adopted. So my recall, and you've, you and I've had this conversation about the first training, I guess one of the open-ended questions that just came up in your discussion as I was listening, there might be a scenario where you have a worker coming into a situation, maybe they're coming in from another location. They've been trained in person, but not while working in Natick. So their previous training was in person, they never let it lapse and then they also had it online. So what happens, you mentioned somebody had it five years ago and it expired, but what if they had in-person training five years ago and then two years ago renewed it online? <v Speaker 1>That's fine.</v> <v Speaker 9>That's okay.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yes, because they've had the,</v> they've had the p they've had the training. So <v Speaker 9>That's the, so that's the,</v> you're basically taking on in somebody's word that they're walking in on that. <v Speaker 1>Yep. And when they, or if they screw up,</v> then they're reported to the A, B, CC and there's heavy penalties. <v Speaker 9>Yep. Understood. I just, that was just sort</v> of an open-ended one that came up. Thank <v Speaker 1>You.</v> Thank you Mr. Joseph <v Speaker 5>For a</v> <v Speaker 1>Motion. I'm looking for a motion</v> <v Speaker 5>Move to ED</v> or accept Serve Safe as a training program in adding a section A revised section C for serve sake serve safe alcohol under Section 11.2 of the, I'll call it the draft policy, draft alcohol <v Speaker 1>And moving C to B.</v> D. Right. Okay. So the motion is to add Serve Safe as an accepted alcohol intervention program in section 11.2 as subsection C and moving subsection C to subsection D. <v Speaker 12>Second. That's exactly what Bruce said. Hmm. I</v> <v Speaker 5>Said that's exactly what, I</v> couldn't have said it better myself, <v Speaker 1>But I No, you could not have, so I, I wanted</v> to make sure I understood exactly what the motion was. Thank you, Mr. Evans and Mr. Erickson seconded by Rich Sydney. Ms. Slager? <v Speaker 11>Yes.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yes. Thank you. Mr. Evans.</v> Mr. Sydney? Yep. And I'm a yes. 5 0 0. And we're continuing the alcohol policy. 2, 2 17. Did we say <v Speaker 5>19?</v> <v Speaker 1>19. 19. Great.</v> I think the last item we have is the discussion of training for it other than the consent agenda, the discussion of training. No, that's not it. It's the resolutions. Thank you. The resolutions for the MMA, the MMA conference is this weekend, and I will be asked to vote whether or not ick supports the four resolutions that are on Novus. And I would like the board's we there, there will be no changes from the floor. There will be no motions or amendments. So I would like to know whether there's support for these four resolutions for Natick to vote to support them. Mr. Evans? <v Speaker 5>Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you for sending those</v> drafts out in December well ahead of it so that we could study it and influence it. I thought that all of them are extremely helpful to local communities and I support all four. <v Speaker 1>Thank you Mr. Evans. Mr. Sidney, do you have any comments?</v> <v Speaker 5>I'm ready to make a motion.</v> <v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for that comment. Mr. Ms.</v> Slager, do you have any questions or comments or Ms. Pope? <v Speaker 11>Just a, just a procedural comment.</v> So, so these are things that will be voted on at the MMA business meeting, correct? Yes. And then, you know, our name will be added to, you know, presumably many other communities that are supporting these resolutions. <v Speaker 1>Yes.</v> <v Speaker 11>And then what</v> <v Speaker 1>And then the respective policy committees</v> that put these forward. So PFAS would be one of the water committees, the multimodal transportation infrastructure. I sit on that policy committee so that policy committee will bring it to the legislature through select legislators and asking them to, sometimes they draft, sometimes the committees draft legislation. Sometimes they work with legislators and their aides to draft legislation. And that's pretty much how it finds itself on Beacon Hill. <v Speaker 12>It it, it also supports staff at MMA to advance in,</v> in their relationships and, and their work with the legislature. These initiatives. It gives them direction and clear, very clear sort of guidelines or, or, or direction on what to work on as well in support of the committees, but also in their, 'cause that's essentially a lot of their daily work for some members of the MMA staff. <v Speaker 11>So do we know if any</v> of these will target our Natick legislators? <v Speaker 1>No, we don't know.</v> And the reason I say that is it de I well it'll start in the house and I don't think that a representative Linsky is on the committees that are working on these. <v Speaker 11>Alright, thank you.</v> <v Speaker 1>I mean, we can send it to him</v> and say we've, we've, we've, I'm wondering, we can send these to 'em and say that we have voted these and support these initiatives. For me, the most important one is the modernization and efficiency of local government where we, we start returning local power and authority and decision making to cities and towns. <v Speaker 8>Like double polls.</v> <v Speaker 1>Well, double polls is a separate Yeah, I know legislator,</v> but I mean, I'm working on the committee that's working on that. And that's, that's a sis Cian fe <v Speaker 12>PAS is also extremely</v> <v Speaker 5>Important. PAS is very,</v> <v Speaker 1>Yes.</v> PAS is very important as well. <v Speaker 8>Yeah. All of them have all of these, yeah.</v> All of these resolutions have something important in them. <v Speaker 5>Yeah. Climate. Yeah. What I like Is it, sorry, go</v> <v Speaker 1>Ahead</v> <v Speaker 5>Please.</v> What I, what I like about it is it gives, by being voted by all the members of MMA, it gives the MMA staff a little clout to be able to say this is, you know, unanimously approved or this was, you know, 90% of people attending the conference approved this. So it gives them a little oomph to move forward on it. <v Speaker 1>Any other comments? Mr. Sydney?</v> You said you were ready to move. <v Speaker 8>I, I move that we approve the town of Natick</v> to vote. All four resolutions positively at MMA second <v Speaker 1>Move by Mr.</v> Sydney, seconded by Ms. Pope. Ms. Slager? <v Speaker 11>Yes.</v> <v Speaker 1>Ms. Pope? Yes. Mr. Evans? Yes. Mr. Sydney? Yes.</v> And I'm a Yes. That's 5 0 0. And <v Speaker 8>We'll move to, and, and just logistically on this,</v> in the event something happens and you can't make the business meeting, you can designate any of us to hold up the card. We'll <v Speaker 5>All be there.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yep. And I will also draft a</v> letter to Representative Linsky and indicate that we support this. It was a unanimous decision. Mr. Clerk, let's move to the consent agenda. <v Speaker 8>Okay. We have seven items on the consent agenda.</v> I'll read them off and then ask if any of them are to be pulled. Approve or request occupy public way for junior's. Pause for cause except Sandra Downer's resignation from the Recreations and Park Commissions. Three sets of meeting minutes from the select board for September 20th, 2310. October 16th, 24 and November 13th, 24. Rescind the select board Beer and wine policy. Approve the use of common requests, Natick Recreation and Parks Department to host annual special events in 25 concerts on the common on July 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th, August 5th, 12th, and 19th. Movies on July 17th and August 7th at sundown Natick days on September 6th from 10 to three Spooktacular on October 25th from 12 to three. And the holiday lighting on December 6th from two to 5:00 PM Natick Sustainability Committee to host the annual Earth Day on May, May 3rd from nine to one in conjunction with the Farmer's Market. Natick Cultural Center Center District to host the annual farmer's market every Saturday from May 3rd until September 27th in conjunction with Earth Day and excluding the Natick Day date of September 6th. Item F approve a request from the Natick rec parks to accept donations and item G approve bossy pickleball. Change of hours for an S 12, all alcohol license. Does anybody wanna pull anything? Yes, sir. <v Speaker 1>Mr. Evans, I'd</v> <v Speaker 5>Like to pull item G just for discussion purposes.</v> <v Speaker 8>Mr. Joseph wants to pull something.</v> <v Speaker 1>Well, are you speaking to something</v> or you can't pull anything off the <v Speaker 8>Yes, according to, according to the rules, he can</v> <v Speaker 1>Go ahead Mr. Joseph.</v> <v Speaker 9>Item D please.</v> <v Speaker 8>We went through this a while ago about</v> <v Speaker 1>This.</v> Thank you Mr. Sydney. No editorializing. Let's just <v Speaker 8>Get outta here.</v> Okay, so I move approval of items A, B, C, E, and F. <v Speaker 5>Second</v> <v Speaker 1>Move by Mr. Sydney.</v> Seconded by Mr. Evans. Ms. Slager? Yes. Yes. Mr. Evans? Yes. Ms. Mr. Sydney? Yes. And I'm a yes. 5 0 0. Mr. Joseph, can you speak to item D? <v Speaker 9>Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in my capacity as the Chair</v> of economic Development and coming off of the Natick Center Executive director interim role, I'm just curious, is, is this, what's the, the background on the purpose for resending? It, <v Speaker 1>It's all been incorporated into the master one.</v> <v Speaker 9>It's been integrated time. Thank you. That, that, and</v> <v Speaker 1>We didn't wanna rescind this until we</v> after voted that, that one <v Speaker 9>I assumed as much, but I didn't see it</v> and I apologize for the extra time. That's <v Speaker 1>Okay.</v> <v Speaker 8>I move to rescind.</v> <v Speaker 1>I got a motion to rescind Mr.</v> Sydney seconded by Ms. Pope. Ms. Slager? Yes. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Evans? Yes. Mr. Sydney? Yes. And I'm a Yes. It's 5 0 0. Mr. Evans, speak to G. <v Speaker 5>Yeah, I I just wanted to make this public</v> because it's an extension of hours and it's from one hour on, on Saturday and Sunday to go instead of closing at midnight to being 1:00 AM And the reason for this is to be able to compete against other locations that close at two o'clock in adjoining towns. And I thought it was a reasonable request, so I just wanted that to be known. <v Speaker 1>They close at one in Framingham.</v> I don't think we have anybody. Those two. Yeah. This, and this was a request by Dave and Busters. They will be moving to change their hours and so will level 99, but Pet Shack will not be. Okay. Are there any questions or comments on G Mr. Evans, do you wanna make a motion? Sure. <v Speaker 5>I move to approve G item G second.</v> <v Speaker 1>Moved by Mr. Evans, second by Ms. Pope. Ms. Slager? Yes.</v> Yes. Mr. Evans? Yes. Mr. Sydney? Yes. And I'm a yes. 5 0 0. And that's the consent agenda. Town administrator updates. <v Speaker 12>We've covered a lot tonight and I appreciate the</v> expediency and want to get the board outta here by eight 30. So no updates. <v Speaker 1>Give that man a contract. Okay.</v> Select board updates. Yes, Mr. Sydney, <v Speaker 8>Just for the public.</v> I will be holding office hours at the senior center tomorrow at 9:00 AM <v Speaker 1>Thank you, Mr.</v> Sydney. I have one announcement. It was made last night and it will probably, it will be on the override page. I anticipate the select board voting whether or not to place the override on the ballot on February 12th. <v Speaker 5>12th.</v> <v Speaker 1>That's January, February 5th, 12th.</v> February, Wednesday, February 12th. And that'll give us a little over a week to review the budget and review correspondence and make a decision. Are there any questions? Any questions from the audience? Any questions in Zoom land? I'll entertain a motion to dis to. <v Speaker 5>So move,</v> <v Speaker 1>Adjourn. Move by Mr. Evans.</v> Seconded by Mr. Sydney. Ms. Slager? Yes. Mr. Ms. Pope? Yes. Mr. Evans. <v Speaker 5>We,</v> <v Speaker 1>Mr. Sydney? Yes. And I'm a yes.</v> 5 0, 0. And we are done. That's a wrap. Thank you. Eight 30. Stay safe. Be warm. Yeah. And I hope you feel better, Linda.