Speaker 1: Hello everybody. Let's just jump right in. Before we get started, we have a public speak section where any individual may raise an issue that's not included on the agenda. It will be taken under advisement by the board. There will be no opportunity for debate during this portion of the meeting. The section of the agenda is limited to 15 minutes and any individual addressing the board during this section of the agenda shall be limited to five minutes. Does if anybody have anything that they wish to raise that is not on the agenda. Okay. Seeing none, we'll just go right into it. The first matter up for public hearing is three. Liberty Street for Steven Kamli of Kamli Construction
and Development, Inc. For a finding per Mass General Law, chapter 48, section six, and the native zoning bylaws section four B. The project is for the demolition of the existing single family dwelling and construction of a new single family dwelling on the non-conforming loss, the applicants. Okay, that's it. Do we have anyone here for three Liberty Street? Come on up. You right there. Thank you. Alright, before we get started, so we'll just have you give your name for the record. Are you Mr. Kali? Yes, I am. Okay. Steve Kali. Alright, good enough. Let me take a look here.
Let see what we're looking at. All right. Speaker 2: Alright. Speaker 1: The lot's good frontage. No good depth. Good. Front, side, side, rear coverage, height, frontage. Okay. All about the frontage You're in aquifer recharge district? Yes. Okay. Speaker 3: Oh, excuse me David, while we're on it. Aquifer recharge versus aquifer protection. There's a couple of the applications tonight. Oh you may. Just for Amanda, what is the material difference
between aquifer protection versus AQUA for recharge for our purposes? Who? Speaker 1: Who, who are you asking I Speaker 3: Guess should I ask you? I'll ask Speaker 1: You don't, Speaker 3: Because it's Speaker 1: Confusing the answer. The answer is it's, it's not up to us. So whatever the permit is required is indicated Yes. Typically in the board of health or or conservation. In this case, we have triggers the stormwater management and erosion control law and it is issued by a different board or Speaker 3: A different department. Right. Conservation
Speaker 1: Commission. Yeah. So it's not issued by us, so we make it a part of the, the decision because we have it. But ultimately the jurisdiction is outside the board. Speaker 2: Thanks. Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Okay. You've got the recharge already on the plan, correct? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 2: Great. Speaker 4: Yeah, we filed all the storm water management and everything like that. Speaker 1: Excellent. Okay. Alright, so I got a handle on it here, but before we go to the board, anybody here wish to be heard on Three Liberty? Okay. Seeing none, does the board have any questions, thoughts, comments?
Speaker 2: David, you do have, Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry I didn't see your hands, I apologize. Come on up and give you your name and address for the record. Speaker 5: Slo Tepi here with my wife. Now Ma, we both live in on Juan Liberty. Speaker 2: Let's do the right Speaker 5: To the, yeah, yeah, to the right. Speaker 1: Okay. What would you like to tell us? Speaker 5: Honestly, just a couple of questions. Yeah. Above there. So first, if there's any plan for fence between the two lots. Speaker 1: Let me see if I see one on here. It might be faster just to ask you. Speaker 4: Currently there is lot. Speaker 1: There is, there is no fence currently planned. Speaker 5: Second question is, so I noticed that the side yard substantially different on the,
on the west I guess. Yeah, there's less of aevidence on the west compared to east. I was just wondering if there's any reason for that. Speaker 1: You have 25 32 to your side, right? And Speaker 2: Not to the other side. Speaker 1: Right? 25, 32 to your side and 1305 to the other side. Correct. Is that what you mean? Yeah, Speaker 2: So it's the opposite. 13 to our side and 25. Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, what are Speaker 5: We, we're on the west. We were on the west side. You're Speaker 1: On the west, I apologize. Yeah. Yep. Speaker 5: So is Speaker 1: That, this says nardone, right,
but that must have been your cell. So Speaker 5: We, we moved, we moved in July. Oh, okay. So Speaker 1: I guess, okay, that was your cell, okay. Yeah. 1305 versus 25. Speaker 5: So we, we were planning to have a trampoline there. It's right outside the master bedroom. I don't know if that's a, it's a good fit Speaker 1: But, and so what is it you're asking? Speaker 5: No, if there's any reason for, for the, you know, for the gap. For this gap, you know, compared the, compared Speaker 1: To the, I don't know reason. Speaker 5: Yeah, Speaker 4: Just, just the way our engineers laid it out. Speaker 5: Okay. Speaker 6: Is that something that could be changed?
Potentially? Speaker 4: It would be more center. It, it really couldn't be because we have the house and already conservation approval and if I push the house, I guess it would be to the east. That back right corner of the house is more in the conservation setback and it would require just starting everything all over again. Speaker 5: Anything else? Is there any plans for trees Speaker 1: To go in or go out? Speaker 5: No. Out remove some trees. Speaker 4: Yeah. So between our property and your property, you see those enormous stumps that are Speaker 5: There, right? Just the stump? Speaker 4: Yeah. We're gonna pull those out.
Those were gigantic rotted trees. So we cut them down. Yeah. Inevitably there will be something between this property that we're gonna build and your property. You have a beautiful lawn and we're gonna continue it on our side and inevitably there'll be some, some sort of something there. Okay. To delineate the line. Speaker 5: Alright. Did you mean the trees in the back? Any plans to take that on the trees in the back or? Speaker 4: We were not given permission from the conservation commission to remove any more trees on the property. Alright. Speaker 2: That's it. Speaker 5: Okay. Thank you. Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. Come on up. Just your name and address for the record.
Speaker 7: Alan R bring nine Libby Street. I've lived in Natick for 40 years and I happened to know the, the previous owners really well. I went out to the property as soon as they sold it and one of his men introduced himself and told me to get the blank blank off the property. We own it very rude. When he went to use the phone, he said, I'm not threatened at all. Okay. So first all that the character is not good. They like had a dumpster on there for a good year and a half. Like until the, like, until the Board of Health had them take it away. That's what he Speaker 1: Just lemme, lemme stop you here. We're not interested in, in, in the history.
Speaker 7: You what interest in, excuse Speaker 1: Me, elder. Excuse me. Yes. Listen to me what I'm talking Yeah, I'm listening. All I want you to do is tell me if you think what's being constructed there is substantially more detrimental than what's there today. Speaker 7: I just don't trust them because they've had a big hole in front of the property for the longest time they've had. It's just been un kept. It's an eyesore. Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Anything else? Speaker 7: Okay. But him I wouldn't trust. Speaker 1: Alright, thanks so much. Anybody else have anything to say? Project specific? Okay.
Hearing none board. Nope, nope. Sorry I keep missing you. Come on up. Hi there. Hi. Speaker 8: I'm sorry I missed the beginning of the Speaker 1: No, no, it's okay. Yeah. Speaker 8: Marrie Waner 16 Richard Road. And is this gonna be on a slab? 'cause it's very, it's wetlands there. Speaker 4: No ma'am, it's not. We've already gone through soil testing, extensive testing, deep holes, storm water management, everything that you can imagine. It will be a full foundation. Speaker 8: Okay. 'cause the house right next door has a sum pump in it that was just built. Speaker 4: Yeah. I, I, sorry, I I can't speak to that.
All I can go is the off of the science that we will provide in, in the, in all of the testing that we did. Speaker 8: Okay. And how big is this going to be? Speaker 4: The overall house is going to be 2,874 square feet. Speaker 8: And how many stories? Speaker 4: Two and a half. Stories. Speaker 8: Stories. And what's the shape gonna be? Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna have you take a look at the plans Okay. Rather than him describing it. Have you seen the plans at all? No. You wanna take a peek Speaker 2: And I'm not sure I did. Alright, Speaker 1: Let's take a look right here. You want to come up
Speaker 2: So Speaker 8: It looks similar to the house you built on Bradford Speaker 4: Road? Very similar, yeah. Speaker 2: Okay. Speaker 8: And it's a, it's gonna have a slightly different entry, Speaker 2: Which Speaker 8: Would be good. Yeah. Speaker 4: It's, in my opinion, it's a beautiful home. Speaker 2: Okay. Alright. Speaker 8: Okay. Thank you. You Speaker 1: Bet. Speaker 4: Yeah. Could I just speak to the, to the, about the, the gentleman that was up there previously? Yes, yes. Speaker 1: But quickly. Yeah. Speaker 4: Very, very close quickly. So Speaker 1: Let me, before you do, I'm gonna give you a chance to unring that bell. Okay. But I'm gonna tell you before you do, we're not taking any of
that into consideration. Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I just think morally and ethically, I just feel No, no, that's what I'm giving you your crack to make a statement. Go, go ahead. Yeah. And, and, and sir, I remember that comment because quite frankly that was the, the realtor who told you that after we purchased the property we're not working with that realtor. So I can promise you this, that was not me, any of my employees or any representations of my company. Thank you very much. And that was an independent person that unfortunately said those very, very unprofessional remarks.
Speaker 1: Good. Not on your behalf. Correct. Good enough. Does the board have any questions here? Yes, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Speaker 3: So thank you for being here. Can you tell me what, I was trying to access some of the letters on the application this afternoon and for some reason I couldn't get in the estimated seasonal high ground water. What did that turn out to be? Speaker 4: I'd have to read through it again, but I know that this, I do remember from reviewing it that in order to put in a full basement, you had to be within two feet of the seasonal high water.
And we were over six feet a separation between those two points. Speaker 3: Okay, so that's with seven, eight foot ceilings. Right? You're still two below that. Speaker 4: Exactly. Speaker 3: Yeah. Good to know. Yep. That's reassuring. It's Speaker 4: All in here somewhere. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 3: Well I was looking for the, the basement plot plan and there's one there dated February 14th that didn't have the dimensions. Is there a reason why those aren't included on the application? Since they're required on the checklist? Speaker 4: The plan wasn't completed at that point, Speaker 3: But since then, Speaker 4: It's now completed.
Yeah. Yeah. And to answer your first question though, we're five to eight feet below the seasonal high water mark. Speaker 3: That's reassuring. Yeah. But yeah, I, when I checked this afternoon, I did not see an update on the basement plot plan. Is it in the application now? Speaker 4: Oh yes. The the the basement foundation plan, are you referring to? Yes. Speaker 3: With the dimensions? Oh, it's, Speaker 4: It's on, it's in that set of plans that the chairman's looking through right Speaker 3: Now. But it's not in the portal. Speaker 4: It should be in the portal because it was submitted portal. It was submitted as, as part of the package.
That entire plan Speaker 3: Today or Speaker 4: Whenever my assistant submitted it for this process, probably six weeks ago. Speaker 1: Gail, I I can see it on mine. Speaker 3: Yeah. I I, no, there's a plot plan but it doesn't have all the dimensions. So Speaker 1: It's the scale though. Speaker 3: It doesn't have the square footage for the usable floor space. Correct. For the gross floor space. Speaker 1: It does not. Speaker 3: Yeah. So a more important question in the way that I have is what did happen, why did this project, or why did this property, why did you choose
to cut down the trees that were in the front two corners that were significantly out of the way for any excavation or building And how long ago did you do that? Speaker 1: Alright, we're we're not gonna go there. It's just not relevant Speaker 3: For us. It is relevant for the neighborhood in terms of detriment. Speaker 1: It's not, it's not continue, continue. Speaker 3: Do you care to answer the question even though he, the chair is saying you don't have to. Speaker 1: It is up to you. You can choose the answer if you want. It's unnecessary. 'cause it's not part of the criteria that this board will make a determination.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't, I I can feel that, you know, I mean you concerned about that? I, I hear you loud and clear. They're outside of the conservation area. They're not protected trees. The ones on the right of the lot were enormous and hollow. They had to come down and the ones in the front specifically one on the right is right in the middle of where the new driveway's going. So we cut 'em down Speaker 3: And the one on the left Speaker 4: Just, just doesn't fit our plan for the property. Yeah. When we landscape the property, much like we did on the one around the corner, it's beautiful landscaping. Yeah. Yeah. These were very big trees that,
that honestly don't fit the look of the lot. Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw them on the Google Street view. I mean I visited the site and I saw these very large stumps that were in good condition as opposed to rotting. So that's why I'm asking. Thank Speaker 4: You. Understood. Speaker 1: Anybody else have any questions, thoughts, comments? Anybody? David, you have mic is off. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, thanks very much. The last question I asked was, does anybody else have any questions or comments on behalf of the board? Okay, we'll close the public hearing. Jason, Speaker 9: I'll move that.
We approve the project based on a finding that it's not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the pre-existing non-conforming use and structure provided. It's built in substantial conformance with the plan submitted then with any requirements from other town departments. Who submitted letters to the board tonight? Speaker 1: Oh, it's 1, 2, 3, 4, skip five. And based on, did you get that Amanda? It's the five. Yep. Five is already, yep. Okay. And did somebody second that? I second it. Rob second. All those in favor? Case four to one and passes.
You're all set. Thanks very much sir. Thank you board. Good luck. The next matter up for over hearing is 24 Virginia Road for Dan Brown of high-end homes LLC for a finding per mass general law. Chapter 48, section six. And then next zoning bylaw section four B. The project is for the demolition of the existing single existing single family dwelling and construction of a new single family dwelling on the non-conforming layout. How we doing? How are you? Doing well. Great. Okay. Hang on one second. We'll give it the once over. No problem. Okay, so the lot is short,
the frontage is short, the depth is good. The front is good. The west side is short, but you're gonna make it conforming. The east side is good, the rear is good, the coverage is good and the height is good. Okay. So lot area and lot frontage. Alright. So does trigger stormwater management, erosion control. You saw that? Okay. Is there infiltration shown on the site right now? Sorry? Is the infiltration system shown on the plan? I am not sure.
Okay. We can find it off the top of my head. Speaker 2: I don't see it. Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't either but that's okay. Alright. Bless this afternoon. Say it again. Oh, Speaker 3: I couldn't find it this afternoon. Speaker 1: Okay. Alright. Does, is there anybody here who wishes to be heard about 24 Virginia Road? Yes ma'am. Come on up. Hi. Your name and address for the record if you would, Speaker 10: Harold in Ferrera. Aye, I live at 23 Virginia Road. Speaker 1: Okay, so that makes you, on which side of the lot? Across the street. Across the street. Okay. Fair enough.
Speaker 10: I only have one question. Sure. And that is, will you be using the proper protocol for removing the asbestos that's in the house and on the siding of the house? Because all of the pellum capes that have been built in 49, 15 51 are full of asbestos. Speaker 11: He absolutely will. Speaker 10: Okay. 'cause I'll Speaker 1: Be, and actually just say for the record that that that's a requirement of the board of health number one, prior to signing off on a demolition application and asbestos inspection report
and pest inspection report must be provided to the Board of health and or abatement reports if necessary, et cetera. So it's, it's governed by the Board of Health and, and Speaker 10: I understand there was a house that was built on Virginia Road a few years ago that it didn't follow protocol. Speaker 1: Ah, a fair No, it's a fair question and it Speaker 10: It's very, very upsetting. Yeah. Speaker 1: With Speaker 10: Good news. 'cause there were babies in the neighborhood and Speaker 1: Yeah. Not good. It's Speaker 10: Deadly. Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure. Okay. Anything else? Nope, Speaker 10: That's Speaker 1: It. Okay. Thanks very much. Thank you.
Anybody else wish to be heard about 24 Virginia Road? I'm really looking this time seeing none. Okay. Does the board have questions, comments, thoughts? Speaker 12: Just confirming mild, maybe slightly larger footprint in the rear going up maybe eight feet, Speaker 11: Slightly large footprint in the rear. Oh, so you're saying where it's in the Yeah, Speaker 12: The new, it's, it's a modest increase in mass. Speaker 11: Yeah. The coverage though only goes up, you know, less than 3%. So that's kind of how we figured it, it, it is bigger than the current home as far as the, the depth of the house. But based on the, the lock coverage
we was still appropriate. Marginally Speaker 12: Increase in footprint. Yeah, more significant on the height. Yeah. Speaker 13: This is looks to be slab on grade within half with a small, small crawl Speaker 11: Space. Yeah. So we're going to, we're gonna attempt to do a crawl space probably around a four foot crawl space if possible. Just knowing that area is notoriously high, has a high water table. So best case scenario, crawl base, worst case we'll do a slab depending on the water table. Speaker 13: Okay. No basement Speaker 11: Though? No basement at all? No. And Speaker 13: Then how, where do you anticipate the storm water going?
Speaker 11: That's something that we will just work with Claire, whatever, whatever she says. We'll make sure that we do. Yeah, Speaker 1: Go ahead. Speaker 3: Oh, you're right. I did wanna ask a question. So gross floor area as listed on the checklist is blank on the copy I printed out this afternoon. Can you tell me what the gross floor areas for both the existing house and the house you'd like to build? Speaker 11: So you're just looking for square footage of the house? Yeah, the Speaker 3: Gross floor, yes. Speaker 11: Yeah. So for, so there's no basement, there's gonna be a walkup third floor
that's gonna be finished, I believe on the plans it's a little bit under 3,700, right around 3,700 square feet total with the third floor Speaker 3: And the current. Speaker 11: Okay. I am not sure what the current square footage would Speaker 3: Be. Could it be around 1600 maybe? Speaker 11: I don't want to guess for you and say something wrong, but something like anywhere from 12 to 1600 roughly. It's a pellum cape that hasn't really been added to. Speaker 3: Yeah, that's, yeah, that's, that's where I'm getting this from is what they tend to be when they haven't been modified. So that is more than double the size
of the existing house. So I have a question about the building coverage. Sure. The current house is covering 12.5, which translates, I believe to 1,643 square feet of lot coverage. And you're proposing 2008, is that correct? Speaker 11: Yep, that is correct. Speaker 3: Okay. One last question. The right elevation, I have to admit, it's not very attractive. There's one window on the second floor on a very
large side facade. Why is it that there is only one small window on a, an elevation or a facade that large? Speaker 11: I, that's just the design the builder went with on that based on the, the plans he obtained. And I don't think he made any modifications with that. I think that's kind of how, what the, how the plans came. Are Speaker 3: You are, have you talked to the neighbors at all about what their impressions are, whether they have any concerns? Speaker 11: I have not. We've haven't heard any feedback on anything. Speaker 13: Could he make or sorry again. Speaker 3: Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. Speaker 13: Could he make, I, I agree with this and that looks to be the garage, you know,
a couple windows stuck in there would not a, would not need modification of the interior framing would not need, like you're not putting one by the wall. And I think we go a long way to help in the, the look of the right elevation. And since it is the garage would not detract from the privacy of any Speaker 11: Neighbors. So my apologies, I don't have the floor plan in front of me. So what, so on the right side of the home, you're asking to add some windows there? I would Speaker 13: Say two, two windows. At least two windows on the, excuse me, on the first floor, Speaker 12: Not the right side. As you're looking at it, you walk to the right side
of the house, the right outside elevation. There are no windows there. It looks pretty weird. Speaker 11: There are no windows. I mean it's, yeah, sure. I'll take it. Looks like it kinda Speaker 3: Looks like a barn or a warehouse or Speaker 13: It looks, looks like a window. Window. And that's the garage. Oh. On the first floor floor. On the first floor. And I mean it'd be, it'd be essentially worthless windows, but we go a long way to Speaker 14: Yeah. Is there, is there certain places that you think would look we can certainly work to Speaker 13: There. I mean Speaker 14: Just any, anything really. Speaker 13: I think a competent designer could locate them nicely and
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I don't think that's the, the biggest ask put a couple windows there. Speaker 3: I mean I don't have it in front of me but I, I don't recall the left side elevation drawing attention to itself in that regard. And I don't recall it looking unappealing and the Right, yeah. Or is that the rear? That's the rear left. Yeah. And you know, the other side looked fine but that side is, Speaker 11: Yeah, so on that side, that's gonna be kind of the mudroom area. When you walk in from the garage, we can certainly put a, we generally put a transom window above the, the cubbies or where you hang your coats and whatnot.
So we're more than able to put a transom window to make that look a little bit better. Speaker 3: So just wanna confirm, you didn't try to reach out to the abutting neighbors to talk to them about the project? No. What it was gonna look like. Speaker 11: Okay. We did Speaker 3: Not. Thank you. Speaker 1: Anybody else have any questions? Okay, hearing none, we'll close the public hearing. Jason, Speaker 9: I would move that we approve the project based on a finding that it's not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the preexisting non-conforming use and structure provided. It's build substantial conformance and plan submitted and any requirements from town departments who submitted letters to the board. Do we want to get into the design criteria as well? Speaker 1: Yep. Speaker 9: Apparently the applicant will install
some transom windows on the right elevation. Yeah, I was Speaker 11: Garage one transom window. That's gonna be in the, it can certainly be in the mud room. I can, I think Speaker 2: You can do two in the garage. Speaker 9: Oh, Speaker 11: So you'd like a window as well in the garage? I think, Speaker 2: I think two of the garage is a pretty Speaker 11: Big, I mean, yeah, we, we can do a, we can do a window in the garage itself. Yeah. And then a transom window that's a little bit more towards the back of the house or middle of the house in the mudroom. I think that would look great. Yeah. Speaker 9: As amended. Speaker 1: Second. I'll second Jeff. Thank you. It's the same five Amanda. All those in favor?
Okay. It's four to one. You're Speaker 11: All set. Thank you very much. Speaker 1: The next matter is 40 Moore Street for Chris ti for finding per mass general law. Chapter 40 a section six. And then its zoning bylaw section four B. The project is for the demolition of the existing two-family dwelling, excuse me, in construction of a new two-family dwelling on a non-conforming lot. Hi, can your name for the record? How Speaker 9: Are you? Chris Speaker 1: Kati. Hi. Okay, let me just get a look for Morse. Speaker 2: Excuse me. Speaker 1: Alright, so the lot's short frontage is good.
Do we not do depth Speaker 2: Two? It's on a corner. Speaker 1: Do we not do depth on a corner? Two Speaker 2: Front two sides? Two front Speaker 1: Two sides. Front sides. No, no, rear. Okay. So no depth front non-conforming main non-conforming. Non-conforming will remain, but, but improved on on both the fronts. Two sides. Conforming, nonconforming, and conforming. So it's really an improvement. Dimensionally no rear coverage is conforming and will remain so. And the height is conforming. Okay.
So really this is just a lot area. Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean we took careful consideration with the design to, you know, increase all the nonconformities that we could. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 15: With the setbacks and Speaker 1: Looks like minor storm water permit. A PD. You saw that? Yeah. Okay. Storm water management, erosion control. Speaker 15: It went to historic, we got the approval with the historic commission as Speaker 1: Well. Great. Speaker 15: I think the, the new design fits the neighborhood, the character of the neighborhood well. Speaker 1: Okay. All right. Okay. I'm familiar with it.
Anybody here to be heard about 40 Moore Street? Yes sir. Come on up. Just your name and address for the record, if you would. Speaker 16: My name's Larry Forner. I live at 44 Moore Street. Full disclosure, Chris built my house in 2017, did a bang up job. He's a, he's a perfect gentleman. He, he's, he's a craftsman. Total craftsman. My wife and I have been living there for seven and a half years and I tell everybody built my house like he was building a piano. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Nobody's gonna be upset with what, with what he builds.
Speaker 1: So. Nice. Well thanks for saying so. Okay, Speaker 13: Mr. Chair. I forgot to announce I'm within the abutters. Speaker 1: Ah, okay. So it's now Amanda Ari? Yep. Thank you. Okay. Does anybody else wish to be heard on this project? 40 Morrise. Okay. Seeing none. Does the board have any questions? Go ahead. Speaker 3: Hi, it's great to hear you're such a craftsman. Alright, so I noticed that there is a no dig moratorium on Moore Street
until the end of next year. Sure. Can you explain? It wasn't clear to me from the town engineer's letter why that is, and so I'm curious to hear from you why it is. Speaker 15: So whenever they repave the street, they establish the moratorium. I don't know how many years it is, but it just means that we can't go into the street and do patchwork, so we gotta pay from curb to curbs, you know, Speaker 3: So, so that means you can dig, but you have to do an extra special job of repaving? Correct. Okay. So you are allowed to dig. Okay.
I am confused by his wording, but okay. Yeah, if that's what it is. Good enough. Where are you on the storm water permit plans that Claire Relli mentioned in her letter for the conservation commission? Speaker 15: Yeah, they're, they're all submitted. So hopefully this gets approved and we'll go to the next step. Storm water. Speaker 3: So Speaker 15: It was submitted on, on the, it's in the portal. Speaker 3: Do you know when it went into the portal? Because I didn't see it when I was there. It's in there. Speaker 15: Yeah, Speaker 1: I I I'm seeing it here. It's in, it's in my packet. Speaker 15: It went in when I submitted.
Speaker 3: What was the date on that then? Speaker 15: What was the deadline? It was, Speaker 1: Are you talking about the design of the, of the infiltration? I, I, unless C one Speaker 3: C one Speaker 1: C the letter C Oh Speaker 3: Oh oh, you're talking about the page? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah, 'cause I, I didn't see it and I'm glad to hear that it's there. Yeah. Speaker 1: Fully designed and mentioned and on the plan. Yay. Speaker 3: I think that's it. Oh, so, so you're not digging a basement for this since the estimated groundwater is five feet below grade?
Speaker 15: No, there is a basement Speaker 3: And the water is five feet below grade. Speaker 15: Yeah. If you, if you see the, on the, on the proposed wall section, it's all clearly stated how we achieve the, the basement height. Speaker 3: So are you having to install, raise Speaker 15: The house? So, Speaker 3: So you're raising the grade by how much? Speaker 15: We're not raising the grade. Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm confused. How are you managing this? Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see here. Speaker 3: Okay, so I, Speaker 15: Yes, the all elevations Speaker 2: Are stated. Speaker 3: Yeah. So how many feet is below grade down to the slab? Because I can't see on that dimension.
Speaker 15: The slab is two feet above the estimated water table. The slab is supposed to be two feet above. Yes. Speaker 3: Yeah, Speaker 15: That's where we're at it, it's in the, it's in the stormwater land. Speaker 3: So top of foundation when you're done is how many feet above grade? Top of foundation? Top of concrete? Speaker 15: Top of concrete. I'd have to do the math. It's 1 79 0.4, Speaker 2: One 70. Speaker 15: So, so the top of the first floor is about four feet above grade. Speaker 3: Okay. And the existing is, Speaker 15: Is about two feet. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 15: It all works out.
I mean it's all, it's all engineered. Speaker 2: We're Speaker 15: Good. Speaker 3: Okay. And one last question. How wide is the new driveway? I mean, I'm glad to see that the one driveway on Morris is being eliminated. Correct. 'cause that's the backyard. Yeah, Speaker 15: It's kind of, it'll Speaker 3: Be the yard. It's not in the renderings and no. Okay. So there's no driveway on Mor, there's just the double garages on Speaker 15: Chester. Speaker 3: On Chester, yes. And what does that asphalt add up to for the public right of way? Speaker 15: I think it's 24 feet. 24.
I mean it might flares out at the end, so Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you know what percentage of the frontage right of way that adds up to like how much of an increase it is over the current entry? Speaker 15: Oh, Speaker 3: It may not be that much more actually Speaker 15: If you add 'em both up, I mean, and it's probably less, you know, 'cause they have 13 feet in the back and then they have probably 24 feet. Yeah. So it's less. They have about 20 feet on Chester and they have about 13 feet on Morris. Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you. Speaker 1: Okay,
we're gonna close the public hearing and Jason, Speaker 12: I have some questions. Mr. Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have a Speaker 12: Question? Go ahead. I do and it's starting off with a comment. This is a pretty massive building for such a tiny lot. Yeah, it is a small lot. I have a lot of equal size, a little bit bigger. And you are maximizing every cubic inch of this lot at 30% coverage, 34.2% height Speaker 15: As the existing house did. And that's the reason, well Speaker 12: The existing house had that little garage to the east side
of the house, which is just like a little garage with little breezeway. And the house is maybe two stories tall, not two and a half. And it's a significant increase in mass on a neighborhood that, my personal opinion unfortunately already has that place across the street and the other two family across the street that are all Yeah. And it's getting really tight on that little tiny mor street. Is there any way you can reduce the mass of this house? And I know it's late and it's a beautiful looking house. No, no. And we should have the size of Mr. Ners lot.
Speaker 15: Yeah. Yeah. So with all honesty, this is the third or fourth revision. And if Peg was here, she could speak on that, that, you know, we've decreased, decreased, decreased. Speaker 12: How could you decrease it? It's already maximum. Yeah, it's already at the absolute max. You're at 30% coverage, 34.8 height. You were at the absolute max. You could not have gotten smaller. Speaker 15: Well the height, the max is 40. So we, we decreased it because you know, when we did the es when we Speaker 12: It is 40. Yep. Sorry about that. Speaker 15: Yeah. So we did the high water table. Yes. I ended up going with eight foot ceilings instead of nine.
I ended up decreasing the pitch of the roof. I ended up taking, if you see the foundation, it's kind of odd sizes, 0.5 0.6. We took a foot off each side of the, the house to get it to the, under the 30% coverage. Speaker 12: We don't have FAR in town. I mean if we did, this would be like the largest I've ever seen. And they do the calculations FA all the time. Florida air ratio, the volume of the house on the lot. And it's unfortunate you have such just small lot, which makes that DI Speaker 15: Think we really improves, we really improved the,
the setbacks and we're only gonna be helping it with, with the, with the drainage systems installed and everything. I, I, I can't say it's more detrimental, especially it doesn't seem to the needs, well Speaker 12: Given the current state of the existing place, it wouldn't take much to not be more detrimental, but it is very massive. Oh, Speaker 15: It's a spread out house right now. Pardon? It's really, it's spread out the house, the existing house parking, they, they're parking in the rear, they're parking in the back. Speaker 12: I'd say the existing house was any good. I mean it's, it's not modern, let's put it that way. Yeah. And your place is, it's well designed. It looks attractive.
It's just massive. Just a comment and Speaker 13: It's uniformly massive. I know I'm not a voting member, but I can speak right. You can. Yeah, of course. It's uniformly massive. Is that good or bad? As bad while the other building for all of its fault at least had chunks of this is all one big. Speaker 17: Yeah, I'd just like to chime in as well at this. How is this sort of dual occupancy homes like it and the area and this one like just sort of to echo, I think what Rob was saying is it just seems to just dwarf some
of those, it seems to be quite a bit bigger than those and just the scale and size. Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I put the renderings together, you know, hopefully to, to make it clear. I I I think it fits the neighborhood well. Speaker 1: Okay. So Rob, Ari, Gail, do you folks want to tip your hand at all to this gentleman? Speaker 12: Oh, I showed my hand. Speaker 1: You, you made a comment, right? Yeah, I didn't. Speaker 12: Yeah, this is a 5,000 square foot house on a 6,600 square foot lot. It is. Speaker 1: So I, I'm sitting here listening the way
that which way the wind blows. Speaker 15: It's blowing that way for everyone. Speaker 1: Not for me. Speaker 9: Mr. Chairman, if I could add one, there was a letter from the Natick Historical Commission here that he had to go in front of, I guess. And the co-chair wrote the letter for the Natick Historical Commission concluding that the proposed new construction is acceptable as it is respectable. It is respectful of its neighborhood context and character in, in the opinion of the na historical commission Speaker 1: For me for that reason. And the reason that there's the only comment here
by the member of the public was, was very positive. He's the direct of butter and there's nobody here describing not the single solitary ounce of detriment. For me, it's not even a close call, I'm a vote in favor. But I think if it went to a vote right now, it would, it sounds like it would flame out. It, I don't know. I I'm not gonna speak for you. Speaker 9: I I could, I could approve this. Speaker 1: It's gonna go out at two in favor, likely three opposed,
is the way I see it. I I nobody's tipped their hand entirely except perhaps Rob. But you have the benefit of the feedback that you're hearing. If you go in front of, if it goes to a vote and the vote goes the way I anticipate it will go, it will be denied. And you'll be, you couldn't come back with this proposal for two years. I don't know why you would, but in any case, you could come back with something different or what's it's typical of the process of this board is to give you an opportunity to take back the plan,
continue the case for one month, make whatever adjustments you deemed necessary. I presume you'd have to go back before historical and, and then come back and see if you could satisfy these three members. The fact that nobody's saying anything, Speaker 15: It's just, I mean it's a little frustrating, you know, it's, it's seven feet under, under the RG height. I mean Speaker 1: Listen, you, you don't have to convince me remember that, but the, the, the, the board is tasked with, with determining whether what's being constructed is substantially more detrimental in the opinion.
Again, I'm not, I'm I am speaking for the other three members 'cause I'm, I'm sort of discerning their objection is that it's too big and, and that's gonna result in detriment to the neighborhood. I I presume they're very familiar with the neighborhood and there you have it. So frustrating perhaps. Yeah. But it is what it is. It's your choice now as to what you will do with the information you have at hand. Speaker 15: And this is the way you guys are leaning, Speaker 1: The fact that they haven't corrected the record,
which suggests to you which way they're gonna vote. Speaker 9: Mr. Chairman, I think, you know, for me, if I were on the fence, some, some additional letters of support or or abutters who showed up at the meetings to support your proposal would, would potentially sway me. Speaker 1: He's, if you didn't pick it up, he's speaking on behalf of three other people Speaker 9: Who, Speaker 15: I get it, Speaker 1: It is Speaker 12: The attractive house. I gotta say it is a very attractive house. It's just massive. Speaker 1: Hold on one second. We're gonna get Mr. Forner again. Speaker 16: Larry Forner again. Yeah, I tore down a small two family and,
and the taxes for my house went from 400 to, went to 16,000 from 4,000. Since then a house next door to me was built just about, you know, it's, it covers the whole lot. It's a small lot and it's the only way they could get it in. There's a paper road in between us so it doesn't, it doesn't congest that that area, the house behind the proposed house is like a six family. I know it well. Speaker 12: I Speaker 16: Walked with hot from from side yard to side. Yeah.
Now I, I don't know what, you know, it's, my question is, I would approve whatever goes, does he meet the coverage ratio? Speaker 12: If we want to start picking which intensity regulations he meets and doesn't meet, he doesn't meet either of the fronts. He needs to be back 30 feet. Speaker 16: But he hasn't, he hasn't created any new nonconformities has Speaker 12: He? He has not created any new non-conforming. That's not why we're here. Speaker 16: Alright, that's, I'm just asking the question. We're Speaker 1: We're, we, we still have to do the job based on what's before us, even if it's only one of the dimensional requirements
and he improves all the others. The, the, the, we're still tasked with the job and that job's being done. It may not be the result that everyone likes or certain people like, but it is what it is. So there we are. We've heard you and thank you. Okay, so again, I turn to you. Speaker 15: I mean the neighbors are okay with it and I just, Speaker 1: I I don't think repeating where what we've gone over is gonna change. Speaker 15: So I mean, I guess, we'll I what were the options? If you Speaker 1: Can repeat option one, let it go to a vote, option two, kick it a month and come back here with something that 1, 2, 3 people may vote in favor of
or, or some more neighbors. And, and, and you can take Jason's comment to heart or, or not. That's entirely up to you. Yeah, but you gotta make the call. Speaker 15: Yeah, we'll we'll push it a month. Speaker 1: Okay. Done. Motion move to continue to Speaker 3: The next, oh, can I just make one more suggestion for when you come back? I really appreciate having those picture renderings except they don't show the adjacent homes. So then this way it's very reassuring for neighbors when they're trying to picture what it's going to look like when it's done. Because right now there's no context for how it's going
to compare to the abutting properties. That's, so that's just one suggestion. Thank you. Speaker 15: Yeah, I did show one rendering in the neighborhood with, with a abutting Speaker 3: So you can compare Yes. That building with the ones that are next to it. Yeah, Speaker 15: It was in there. You know, just the, Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't see good enough. We, we get a motion. Do I have a date? Speaker 9: Amanda? Do you know next Speaker 18: Meeting? It's on the front, front cover of his, Speaker 1: All those. Speaker 18: I don't wanna misspeak. I think it's like the 27th. Speaker 1: We'll move to 24th. Okay. Continue the hearing to November 24th. Second. Second by Ari. All those in favor?
1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Yes, you're all set. We'll see you back here in November. Thank you for the cough problem. The next matter up for public hearing is 26 Ferndale Road for Heather Dory of Gilmore Building Company for a, for a finding per mass general law. Chapter 48, section six. And then it's only bylaws section four B. The project is for the demolition of the existing garage and deck and construction of a new garage and addition. Hello? Hi there. Can we just get your names for the record? Speaker 19: Good evening, I'm attorney Cynthia Hartman. Speaker 20: And I'm Eric Gilmore, Gilmore Building Company. Speaker 1: Hello. Okay, so let me just take a peek.
Saw this minor storm stormwater permit, excuse me. Yes, you saw that. Okay. Triggers the stormwater management erosion control Speaker 20: That was already approved by the con com. Speaker 1: Great. I just make sure everyone's aware that Yeah, both Speaker 20: Systems were already approved. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: Hmm. Speaker 1: I'm not seeing Amanda, I'm not seeing the table. Am I missing it? Speaker 2: It Speaker 18: Should be in there, but if it's not I can reprint Speaker 2: It. Speaker 1: Yeah, or I could just take a look at Jason's. Yeah. Okay, here we go. Oh, is this, what's the name? Six Ferndale? Yeah, that's not it. No.
Okay, so the lot, the lot is too small. The frontage is too small, the depth is just shy. Front yard is nonconforming will remain. So the side is conforming and will remain. So the other side is nonconforming and it will remain be very Speaker 19: Slightly improved. Speaker 1: It's, there's two numbers there. Seven, seven and seven nine. Right, but it's no smaller than seven seven. Correct. The rear is conforming or they coverage is conforming.
Remain zone the height. So do we have a a number on the height even though I see there's no oh 35, 2 and a half. Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's good. Alright. Okay, so this is lot area frontage depth in the front yard and a side and one side. One one side. Okay. Alright, now let's take a look at these plans real quick. Oh, I see. It just, it angles like that. Yeah, the house Speaker 20: Is a little skewed to the lot Speaker 1: Line. Yeah. Got it. 7, 7, 7 9 as it creeps into the back.
Speaker 20: Yeah, well it's right now it's seven seven and we're gonna pull the addition back to 7 0 9. Speaker 1: Yeah, she's out. Okay. Alright, I, I understand, I understand what's going on. Is there anything in particular you wanna tell us that that's not necessary? We can see what's happening but you, the floor is yours if you chose choose. Speaker 19: Sure. Thank you. I'll just point, I mean I'm an attorney representing the homeowners here, but that's not reflective of any complications or difficulties with this application. I don't think it's just reflective of the fact Speaker 1: That we don't hold it against
Speaker 19: Them. They have a friend who is an attorney, you know, so. Okay. But, but it, it certainly, it does not increase the non-conformity in a way. It very slightly improves it and it, they've included some photographs of other neighborhood houses. We've all done very, very similar types of additions to these sort of standard small capes that get expanded as as they, as they need to be for the needs of the homeowners. And that's what my clients would like to do in this case. Good Speaker 1: Enough. Okay, let's find out if anybody here wants to talk about it. Anybody here on 26th? Ferndale? Okay.
Scene none. I would call this as vanilla as not the design in terms of it's, it's it's anticipated impact. Benign. That said. Does anybody here have any questions, comments, thoughts that they'd like to share? Speaker 13: I would like to comment in a positive manner on the PowerPoint presentation. It is excellent, Speaker 20: Thank you. Speaker 1: Didn't look like a lawyer's work. Speaker 19: It's actually the builder's work. Speaker 1: I know Speaker 20: He's a marketing guy. Speaker 1: Anybody else? Yes.
Speaker 3: Hi. Hi. So I noticed when I was looking at the site that there is a large oak on the property line on the left side and oh wait abut and the abuts trees are six feet away on the right side. Are you excavating beneath this addition? It wasn't clear to me. Speaker 20: Yeah. We have to put a crawl space in underneath. Just Speaker 3: A crawl space, not a basement. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I just wanted to Yeah, make sure that, do they know that,
I mean it looks like you might have to remove some of the branches from their trees. Are they noted? They've been notified. Speaker 20: They've to trim a couple that are over there and that homeowner. So if you're standing in the road and the, the folks on the right hand side over by the garage, they actually wrote a letter in support. Speaker 3: Oh great. Yeah. Speaker 20: And it's in the packet there with, Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I actually didn't have as much time to review yours. Speaker 1: Alright, I know Speaker 3: There's a lot. I confess, I'm confessing. There's a lot of paperwork there. So the slopes to the rear, are you going to be putting in retaining walls? Speaker 20: No, none. Not required. Okay.
We're gonna keep the existing grade very similar to what it is now. Speaker 3: How much is the change? Speaker 20: We're just gonna go up along the building by a couple of feet and slope back down to existing. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 20: So the slope near the rear will be the same. Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. Speaker 1: Anybody else? Okay, hearing and seeing none Jason, Speaker 9: I would move that we approve the project based on our finding that it's not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood provided as built substantial conformance with the plan submitted and with any requirements from town departments who submitted letters to the board.
Speaker 1: Second. Oh, we're back to the five. I'll second then. And Jeff seconded. Oh no and all those in favor? It's five. Oh, you're all set. Thank you. Good luck. Okay, take care. The next matter is Mr. Chairman? Yes, pending. Okay. Alright. All right, good. See you Rob. Public hearing for eight Drury Lane for Daniel Burke for eight. Drewry lane LLC for a finding per MGL chapter 48,
section six and it is zoning bylaws section four B. The project is for the demolition of the existing single family dwelling and construction of a new single family dwelling on the non-conforming lot. Hello. Hello. If we could just have you give your name for the record? Names for the record. Sure. Speaker 20: I'm attorney Daniel Burke Speaker 21: And Nick Arthur, the property owner and builder. Speaker 1: Okay, great. So lemme, lemme take a look here. Just shy on the lot. Shy in the frontage. Good on the depth front. Good on the side.
Go on the other side. Good. In the rear coverage is good. Height is good. Minor stormwater permit falls within the a PD. See that? Correct. Speaker 21: And we have a order conditions approved already. Speaker 1: Already. Okay, great. Speaker 13: While you're looking through Yeah. Remind me what can and what are the rules within a hundred feet as opposed to 40 feet and 50? Speaker 21: If my understanding is that if you are within a hundred feet of wetland or any conservation area, you automatically trigger a conservation hearing.
We then delineate the wetland line, get that approved by conservation. There's a 25 foot no disturb area that we cannot touch at all. We can't remove a branch and then there's a 40 foot no build area. So we are allowed to grade from the 40 foot area to the 25 foot line. In this case, we're not proposing that, we're just not allowed to put a structure there. Okay, Speaker 13: Thank you. Speaker 1: Okay. What would you like to tell us if anything? Speaker 15: Just that the structure we're proposing to build is, is conforming, it's just nonconformities with the lot.
Yep. And, and that's, that's really it. Yep. Speaker 1: Good enough. Okay, so let's see. This is a Drury. Anybody here on a Drury lane seeing none board? Same. So I think Amanda now it seems clear who the five will be. I even created you a checklist. I saw that. I just noticed that. That's good. Am I checking those off or are you We both were because so far I haven't, it was both of us. Okay, good enough. I'll do that from now on. You don't have to. Okay. It was just for you to remember. Thank you very much. So here we are board
questions, thoughts, comments? Speaker 17: I, I had a question. Go ahead. As far as are you adding anything to the existing grade of the land? You're already, you're pushing pretty close to the absolute max, the proposed height. I just wanted to get a sense of like Speaker 21: Yeah, we, we are not proposing any great changes. We did struggle to make the average building height work because of the preexisting slopes. Had it have been a flat lot, we would probably easily meet the building height requirement. When we did the average grade, we actually had to bring the roof pitch down to six and a half, which is probably similar to,
to your average ranch to make the maximum building height work. And we brought our second floor building height, second floor ceiling height from nine feet to eight to make that all work. Speaker 1: So Speaker 21: You I would say the, sorry, the preexisting grades probably drove most of that. Speaker 1: Yeah. So our commissioner, you may or may not know this, this is really for the board and, and everybody, but the commissioner considers the average building grade to be post construction. So you can modify that. Speaker 21: We we can, we didn't see a need to do that here. I'm not
Speaker 1: Suggesting you should have or, or I'm just saying, you know, you the board takes that into consideration, right? I mean it can, you can work against you. Correct. If you jack the the the grade, it can be considered as a detriment even though it, you're actually meeting some dimensional, Speaker 21: It, it felt like a double-edged sword where we probably could have, I know where you're going with Speaker 1: It. I'm saying like, if you have to jump through so many different H hoops to buy yourself six inches here or there, that it was more or less than a side. Speaker 21: Yeah. It felt, while we were already designing it from
scratch, it was easy to just take all that into account architecturally. Yeah. Speaker 1: Listen, I I credit that you decided to modify the structure to comply as opposed to doing something else, which is good. Anybody else? Oh, Speaker 3: Thank you. So am I correct in assuming from having looked you're not building any retaining walls? Speaker 21: We have two small, three small retaining walls designed one at the back left corner of the house to help with the slope as you walk down
and two small retaining walls on the right because it is a pretty severe grade change from front to back. We didn't want to look at a ton of extra siding or concrete. We felt it was nicer looking to put retaining walls and plants. Speaker 3: And how high are those retaining walls? Speaker 21: Maximum of four feet Speaker 3: Maximum. Four? Yeah. Okay. Also, how, how wide is the current driveway and how wide is the new one going to be? Where it enters the public right of way? Speaker 21: I would have to scale it, but I would guess that the current driveway is
approximately 10 or 12 feet wide and our proposed driveway will be 20. Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's more narrow than that but I was pacing it off so I can't be sure. Speaker 21: Yeah, I actually can't either. Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. So I also have a question about the total square footage. Now it, it looks as if the checklist was revised from the original and so am I correct that it used to be 3,156 square feet but you've reduced it? Speaker 21: Correct. Speaker 3: And what is your calculation for what the current total floor area,
gross floor area is now Speaker 21: 1,890 square feet of the existing home. Oh, Speaker 3: Not the coverage of the lot. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, I mean your new, your proposed house. Speaker 21: Twenty nine hundred and eighty six square feet of total gross floor area. Speaker 3: Okay. And oh no, nevermind. I'm done. Okay. Speaker 1: Anybody else comments? Thoughts? Questions? None Jason? Speaker 2: No questions. Speaker 1: Do it, do that voodoo I Speaker 9: Would move that we approve the project based on our
finding that it's not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the previously nonconforming use and structure provided in spilled substantial performance with plan submitted and any requirements from town departments which submit letters to the board. Speaker 1: Second. Second is Ari. All those in favor? And I think we're just for the, so we can get it on the record and those opposed. So Amanda, do you see that? Yep. Okay. Good enough. Four to one. You're all set. Speaker 21: Thank you. Thank you very Speaker 2: Much. Take care. Speaker 1: The next matter is public hearing for 26 Longfellow Road for Silva development for a fighting for mass general law,
chapter 40 a section six and the next zoning bylaws, section four B. The product is for the demolition of the existing single family dwelling and construction of a new single family dwelling on the non-conforming lot. Hello there, council, how are you? Good. Good. I guess we're just doing it, so just put your name on the record if you will. Speaker 22: I'm Peter Harrans, I'm representing Silva Development the owner. Speaker 1: Okay, let me do that thing lot frontage and the west and Nope, nope, you're improving that. So that's not an issue. No, no, Speaker 2: No. Speaker 1: Good, good, good.
Lot of area and frontage, right? Yep. Okay. Minor. It does fall within the a PD. You see this? Yep, we Speaker 22: Have all the letters. Speaker 1: Okay, Speaker 2: Good. Speaker 1: Stormwater. Okay. Anyone here on 26th Longfellow Road? Come on up. Oh boy. Too bad. Sorry about that. Speaker 2: Not Speaker 23: As much as I am. Speaker 1: I bet. I bet, I bet. Your name and address I the other guy. Yeah, right. Your Speaker 23: Name and address. My name's Joe Zakim at 24 Longfellow Road. I'm to the, the left of the, the property. Just a couple of comments and, and, and all One of the issues is, you know, we are, we're pretty tight in that neighborhood with the properties
and so I'm concerned was there plans to put a fence in or something on the property line along the driveway there? I Speaker 22: Typically, his plans do include a fence. Yeah. Speaker 23: Now, now would it be like a a six foot and drop down? Speaker 22: It's usually about, it's the, he uses a lot of the, the white new fences that they do. If you go by one winter street, it'll look similar to that. He actually works closely with the fence company. So if he wanted to see the look, it's that those are typically part of his length. Speaker 23: Yeah. But, but it's something that would probably step down is what I'm asking. It wouldn't go six feet from the full
Speaker 22: No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it's at the high points in the back, like All Speaker 23: Right. Not a wall around. Okay. The, the other issue is, I mean, there's a lot of chemicals in the storage shed in the back of the property. I'm well aware of that. And so, I mean, that's probably the purview of the board of health as to how that'll be remedied and it is Speaker 1: Disposed to, that's something that they may or may not be aware of. So we'll just ask counsel to make a special note of it. Speaker 22: Yeah, absolutely. And again, he's, he's worked with the town for a Speaker 23: Number of year. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 22: So if, if there's anything that has to be done, yeah, he, Speaker 23: He does it. The other, the other question I have is there's a,
there's a large oak tree. It's really a forest sized tree that's on that property. And it's been a thorn for me for about 37 years that I've been there. And it's not just the leaves, it's every time the wind blows at all. And it's been, it's been trimmed several times by myself, by the previous owner. It's just a steady problem. And so I'm concerned about, about that, and I'd like to know what the plan is, if any, for that. And my, my lines go through that. So every storm, you know, I'm, I'm looking and, you know, my, my daughter was afraid all the time,
you know, with that tree there. So Speaker 1: In a perfect world, you want the tree to come down. Speaker 23: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know where the tree is, but, Speaker 23: And I'm, and I'm not, and I'm not somebody who doesn't like trees. It's just that, you know, I'm in a neighborhood, it's referred to as Oakdale, and it's good reason for that. Many of these trees are forest sized trees from, you know, 50, 70 years ago that the original trees. And so there's, there's a steady entourage of tree service companies in there. Not only after, after storms with all the damage, but, but removing them for the, you know, the obvious danger
that they're around these homes. And there's so many homes in so much construction as you're well aware of in that neighborhood. And they're all in close, close proximity. Speaker 1: Do you have any sense, Speaker 22: If I'm looking at the site plan, it looks like that tree is not slated to be removed. It is. It is a big tree. I'm looking at it right here on the, Speaker 23: It's very big. Speaker 22: This is a new one for me as far as do I, if you guys want a tree taken down, Speaker 1: That'd be first. Speaker 22: If it's a safety issue, then that's a completely different story. If the building commissioner comes out and goes, that has to go, obviously it goes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Speaker 22: I'm not sure if it's, I don't think he's considered taking it down if he didn't have to. And not because he's air or anything like that. Again, it's just, I'm Speaker 23: Not an aist, but I would tell you that, you know, and, and I'm not gonna say the tree is unsafe, but I would not wanna have a home. Certainly not a very costly home with that thing sitting over me. It just, I see it on the news constantly where these things come down. Unfortunately, there's property damage, there's personal injury, there's fatalities from it. So, I mean, that's, that's been a steady concern of mine. Speaker 1: How, how about this as a middle ground,
that they'll, that they'll have a professional arborist Yeah. Come out and, and, and take a look. Speaker 23: Yeah, absolutely. I mean it at, at a bare minimum. And it's been, it's been pruned many, many times. And it's, it's the nature of that tree. It just, it, it, everything drops in the driveway to the point that, that back end of my driveway when there's a storm, I won't park there. I have to park towards the back of the house to stay away from it or I'll move them to the street. It's always got limbs coming down. Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll do that then. Speaker 22: Yeah. We can have someone take a look under the idea,
like you said, if it comes down, you'll buy the house. I would think. Speaker 23: I'm sorry. I'm Speaker 22: Kidding. I what that said, the tree comes down, you'll buy the house is what it sounded Speaker 23: With yard help. Yeah, with your help. Sure. Speaker 1: Touche. Yeah, touche. Sorry about that. Okay. Thanks very much. Okay. Speaker 23: Thank you. Appreciate Speaker 1: It. We, Speaker 22: We else here we can, we can have someone take a look at it as a condition. Speaker 1: Good enough. Anyone else here on 26 Longfellow Road? Okay. Seeing none. Board. Speaker 17: I just had a question about the gross floor area of the house. What's the, what's the measurement? I didn't see it on the sheet. Speaker 22: I think it'll be 3,900 square feet without,
with the unfinished basement included. Speaker 3: And what is the gross flare flare gross floor area of the current house? Speaker 22: I believe it's about 1700 square feet based on the assessors. Speaker 3: And again, the current is 3000. How much Speaker 22: The proposed, I believe the proposed finished area will be less than the 3,900. I think the proposed without the finished basement is about 2,900 square feet, and they're not planning to finish the basement. Speaker 3: Okay. So, yes, I was going to ask about the oak in the front. Of course, of course. I don't know how other folks in the neighborhood feel
about it when I was visiting. This site is clear that a lot of trees have been removed from the street areas, the public right of ways. And it's a shame to see another one go. What about the trees in the rear? Speaker 22: I, I don't see the two. I mean, again, I'm just looking at the plans based on what was backed there. And if they remove them, they usually note it. So I don't know that we we're not going too far in the back. Based on what I'm looking at, I don't know how many are gonna be removed. Speaker 3: Well, have you spoken with the abutter to the rear
of that property about There's a very large oak there and it appears to be on the property line? I couldn't be sure because, you know, I don't want onto the property, I just stay at the sidewalk. Speaker 22: I know that they've gone out to the neighbors and the the ones they've spoken to did speak in support of it. I'm not sure of those ones specifically. They obviously, as, as it goes along, if it comes up. So Speaker 3: You're not, you don't know if they're aware that, oh, I'm sorry, I should rephrase that. Do you think you're going to be excavating within 15 feet of the bowl
Speaker 22: Within 15? Do Speaker 3: You mean 15 feet of the trunk of that oak tree in the rear or in the, in the rear. Speaker 22: Oh, I'm not sure where the, how close they'll be to that one. Speaker 24: I guess. So close you can see Speaker 23: I, I can, I can speak to some of that there. There's several very, very large oak trees in the back. There's a, there's a couple that are clustered and, and you're right, they're extremely large and there's, there's one, I think it's a two or three cluster, and they're leaning and they're leaning against where the new house will be. So I, I didn't bring it up
because I automatically assumed that there's no way you're gonna put a house under those, and there's another one in the back that leans to the rear, so it would clear that house if it were to come down. But these are trees that if they came down, they're gonna cause significant, significant property damage. There is a large pine tree on, on that property as well. That's right near the property line. You know, I'm not in love with it, but I don't think it's an interference on, on your project. But I, I really think that those, those oak trees, I assume
that that two or three of those in the back would have to come out. I mean, they're sitting, they're sitting and leaning over where, where I believe that house lays out as I've, as I've looked at it on the property. So Speaker 22: What I could offer is, I'm, I'm not a professional when it comes to which ones have to come and go once they start. But if it's, if it's a question of it, we could have as a condition, an arborist go out and confirm which ones can stay or I'm not sure. Speaker 23: Yeah, I Speaker 22: The same as Speaker 1: Far as, well the one, the one, the one in the front we're
gonna have, that'll be conditioned to have an arborist take a look at it and determine, you know, what the best way to proceed is. And then, you know, you can talk to your, your client about the concerns of your neighbor. Speaker 3: Well, multiple neighbors, I would hope. Speaker 1: I, I don't know. I I, I, I have never seen it, but I don't see any other neighbors here. So I presume that this is the neighbor that we're listening to and we're hearing, and we're gonna credit his testimony today. And I know you want the tree saved in spite of the fact that you're here most of the time
for the concerns of the neighborhood. Right. And yet the neighborhood is right in front of you and you're gonna ignore one Speaker 3: Neighbor, you're gonna withdraw. I respect your concerns, sir. I do. I mean, I do. Doesn't sound Speaker 23: Like trust me. I, I, I like trees. I, I, you know, I enjoy, there's plenty of trees. You know, this property, a butts a conservation area with the pond. My kids were down there all the time. I've hiked through there numerous occasions. My son comes back and fishes there. So it's not about me against trees. These are forest sized trees that do not belong in, in,
in a tight, tight neighborhood like that. And I certainly wouldn't put, you know, a, a new, a new project in there with these things hanging over them. So that's just my thoughts on that. As far as, and I didn't mention this, but as far as the scale of the property, you know, as, as a neighbor who's, I grew up, I've lived in Natick my entire life, you know, I'm preaching to the quiet 'cause you probably see this and you, you see it all the time when you have people present as builders. And I get it, the economics of building and they're putting it up, putting up larger homes. But the scale, the scale is just, you know, it's,
it's outta context with, with the neighborhood. And I'm adjusting to it. So I realize that's what it is. So, you know, I'd throw in the towel on that one, but I see it all around me. There's homes in that neighborhood that, a new construction that a very tight side to side. You know, I lived, I lived through a fire, the fatal fire that was across the street. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you some of the, that it would've been, it would've been even more significant with property damage had it been a windy night. The fire department, when they were called to that property to deal with that fire, they quickly realized it was out of control on what was not a windy night on January,
nearly five years ago in January, five years. And they had to hose the house next door because they're so close. And you put the scale of the new, the new properties going in there, they're tight it, they're dense neighborhoods. So Speaker 1: I'm gonna, okay, thanks very much. Appreciate Speaker 23: Your input. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Speaker 1: Any other thoughts, comments here? Questions? No. Okay. We'll close the public hearing Speaker 9: My turn to make a motion to approve the project based on our finding that it's not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the previously nonconforming use and structure provided spill and substantial conformance with the plan submitted
and any letters, any requirements from any other town departments who submit letters to the board with a additional condition that the applicant will hire a licensed arborist to evaluate the condition of the trees on the property and determine which, if any, should be trimmed or removed for safety. Speaker 1: Okay. Second. Speaker 13: All set, Jeff? Speaker 1: Okay. All those in favor? All those opposed? Do you see that Amanda? Yep. Okay, thanks very much. You're all set. Good luck. The next matter is six
Ambler Court Marcelo ALS for six Ambler court, LLC for a finding per mass general law. Chapter 48, section six s zoning bylaws, section four V the projects for the demolition of the existing, existing single family dwelling and construction of a new single family dwelling on the non-conforming lot. Hello there. Good evening. Good evening. Attorney Vinny O'Brien. I'm the project engineer Peter LaVoy. Great. Thank you gentlemen. Let me take a look. Lots good frontage. Oh please.
The road drives right into the property. Ahuh. How do you like that pork chop? Ish. Ish. Ish. Depth. Good setback. Good, good, good, good, good, good. Just the frontage. Speaker 2: Alright. Speaker 13: This would, I don't think they need it, but do a variance either. Speaker 1: No, Speaker 13: I mean with the odd shape lot. Speaker 1: Oh would yeah, but it's existing. Yeah,
Speaker 13: I know. I'm, that was more of a Speaker 2: Out. Speaker 1: You have minor storm water permit. You saw that a RD Is your infiltration shown now? Yes, there is. Okay. Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the one I go for here. The existing is very interesting. It's a big law. It's like a thousand square. It's, it's rock. Speaker 1: It's okay. You've seen the way we're going here. Anything you want to tell us before we find out what everybody else thinks?
Speaker 22: I just want a couple things. The house was built in 1900. One of the questions I know one of the members have been asking is the difference in area. It's kind of hard to calculate, but based upon the assessors I see there's a number of different outbuildings in a finished attic. We're about 3,250 square feet existing. We're going to 36 14 for living space. It's currently a two family. Oh. We're gonna make it a one family only because some of the issues that a prior applicant had, we saw of trying to get it to fit on the lot. One thing I wanna be clear of, the original
plan showed the driveway in the rear of the property, but the amended plan shows the, the garage on the front of the property. I think you have the correct plan. I just wanna make sure that's accurate. 'cause the driveway comes in directly into the garage. We've done a lot to try to clean up the lot, get rid of a lot of exercise pavement and some of those out buildings. And I believe we comply with all the setbacks and either meet them or, or exceed the setbacks. Really only issue is, is that frontage? Yep. And we have plenty of area on the property. It's a short street off of 27. Speaker 1: Good enough. Alright, well let's find out what the neighbors think if they're here.
We are at six Ambler Court. Anybody here? Yes sir. Come on up. Just give your name and adjust for the record. Speaker 25: My name is Stefan Lemon. My wife and I, Sandy have lived at eight Ambler Court for 22 years. And I've been a member of the community for about 25, 26 years. I've had the opportunity to do some drive-bys of a couple of the other projects that have been done by this group here in Natick. And my wife and I are pretty satisfied that the, the nature of the, what they're gonna build there is more than appropriate for the lot. Ambler Court's sort of unique because there's only two houses that exist on
that, on that road. So we kind of live in a little bit of a symbiosis off in our own little universe. And it's my belief that that whatever's gonna be built there needs to be kind of in conjunction with the size and the nature of what our house is. And I believe that this existing one family is, or single family is appropriate for the lot. And I've been in contact with and in communication with the builder, Mr. Alvez. And he and I seem to be in, in cahoots with what he's looking to do. And we're looking forward to potentially having new neighbors sometime soon.
Speaker 1: Great. Thanks for your input. Appreciate it. Yeah. Yes sir. Come on. I'm give you, if you could give your name and address for the records. Speaker 26: Hi, my name is Martin Callister. I but the property at Nine Grace Circle. So I'm right behind them. I apologize that I may not have the most UpToDate plans, but what I've pulled, I I I have a several questions, so please bear with me. And if, if attorney and the other gentleman are, are the, are not the correct people to get the answers,
I would encourage those answers to be considered by the committee before final vote. The plans, the existing plan versus the proposed site plan, the, what they consider the, the rear setback, it changes in the existing, the rear setback is considered to be the area abutting
zero gray circle, which is conservation land and 24 hunter's lane. In the new plan, the rear is considered to be abutting nine gray circle. And again, it, it confuses me that the left side can be right next to the right side without having a rear in the front, in front of you. So I don't know how those work. I would've thought you have a left side to right side and the back side and the front side. But I may be wrong.
One of our primary concerns is when Hunter's Lane was constructed about eight years ago, there was significant blasting and the homes on, on Grace Circle as well as I would imagine parts of of Ambler or the conservation land. The marshy areas are all on a, a vein of granite. And we were not provided with the consideration of the town, the, or Mr. Trask or anybody else regarding the blasting.
And we actually had the fire department, the chief of the fire department at the time visit us in our basement because we had, we, it was a brand new, it was fairly a new house and we suddenly had fractures. And lemme just Speaker 1: Stop you just for one second, just, just so I can find out any blasting. Speaker 27: I don't think so. I don't think so. No, it's Speaker 22: Almost in the same area as the existing house. Speaker 26: So how are you demolishing the property Speaker 1: Jackhammers Speaker 27: With the, with the excavator, with the claw? They would, they would remove all the structures
with the claw and then put it in dumpster and then take it out. There'll Speaker 26: Be no blasting. No blasting. So there will be no blasting, no. Speaker 27: Okay. Speaker 26: The similar to some of the other concerns and other properties have been discussed, there is considerable amount of marshland adjacent to your property. My property in Hunter's Lane, I just wanna make sure that the animals are in the conservation areas being respected. We do have wildlife that goes back there. I am a wildlife, lemme Speaker 1: Stop just one second. I don't wanna lose these things as we go along.
Is there conservation land here? Speaker 27: There is. We need to file a notice of intent. So the existing structure is closer to the wetlands. It's roughly 22 feet from the wetlands. So the existing structure is 22 feet. Speaker 1: You're backing Speaker 27: It away and we are backing it away because we have to get outside of the no build. So we will move the structure outside of that. And then also there is area that is already like driveway. We reduced the total impervious on the site.
So the, the total impervious now on the site is 23.5% of the lot. We are reducing that down to 15.4%. And that's another reason why we did a front entry driveway. And that's why we changed the design. 'cause now you just have that small driveway in the front. So currently if you look at the existing conditions, you drive very close to the wetlands on the right side. As you come off of Ambler, you wrap all the way around to the back where there is a garage.
That whole upper area is pavement and that's all gonna be grass now. So we just, by reducing the total impervious of that pavement, we make the site better for storm water. And Speaker 1: Those two structures, the out buildings are, Speaker 27: They're gone. Oh. And then also what we, what I proposed was the driveway, it's reduced in size and now we have a catch basin that will collect the runoff from that new driveway and direct it into a recharge area.
So right now that whole driveway runs right into the wetlands with no, no clean, no cleaning of the water, no mitigation. What we are doing is we're putting in a catch basin, we're gonna do a be two minutes berm. So any runoff from that driveway can't go over, can't go directly into that area. It's gonna hit the berm, go down to the catch basin, be treated, and then be being brought into a recharge area and then discharged towards the wetlands. So we that's, Speaker 22: That's great.
And just for clarification, the, the existing setback from nine grace on the existing property is 45.3 feet and we're gonna be 63.8 feet. So we'll actually be farther away from that property. See if that helps. Yeah, I Speaker 1: See. Speaker 26: Yeah. From, from from our property. Yes. But again, what you consider the rear setback is quite different than what you consider to be the rear setback in the existing. Speaker 1: I think we can understand what we're looking at though. It's Speaker 26: Flipped. Yeah. So I, I don't know what is the rear, what is the, what's, what's considered the rears left. Right. That might be,
Speaker 1: I think no matter how you slice it, it's conforming. Speaker 26: Sure. Yeah. And, and my, my, I'm not, I have no issue with conforming. Okay. Speaker 1: What else can we, would you like to tell us Speaker 26: The, again, our concern is primarily that there'd be no blasting. Speaker 1: We heard that Speaker 26: The catch basin that they are proposing to put in next to the driveway. I would hope that that is a ca catch basin that would not allow animals running
through the area to be caught. Speaker 1: No, no, no. The, the, the it's Speaker 26: Or trapped. Speaker 1: No, they're not open like that. Speaker 27: No. It's a standard grate on top. So a standard catch basin, basically a two foot by two foot square with little squares. Speaker 26: Little squares, yes. Yep. And then is, are is, are there any plans for an A DU now or in the future on this that you know of? Speaker 1: They can't speak to the future. Speaker 22: No plans right Speaker 1: Now. No plans. There's no a DU on the plan, so not one is not being approved. Speaker 26: Okay. And lastly,
the hours of the construction. I know that the town of Natick ordinances are 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM Speaker 1: State, state. It's a state law. Okay. Speaker 26: Well I am inquiring if tho if you plan to start that early. The reason I ask is that we currently have a litter of puppies. We, we breed beagles. So your new owners are going to be exposed to
four beagles. So I hope they're quiet on their deck. But the vibrations are a, a bother. My wife and I both work from home, so I would ask that we work together. I personally, my room is right next and above from where you, you your building will be construction. I don't go normally to sleep before three in the morning. So a jackhammer at seven in the morning would be quite disruptive.
And I know you're allowed to, I just would ask that you consider modifying your hours to accommodate. Speaker 1: Alright, thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Anybody else wish to be heard about this project at six Ambler Court? Okay. Yep. Speaker 3: Okay. Just to clarify, you, did you already get the order of conditions from the conservation commission? No, we Speaker 22: Have not. No. Speaker 3: Okay. And, okay. Speaker 22: It's always a which comes first? Yeah. Do you
Speaker 3: Want to Right, right. It's Speaker 22: Easier for us to go to them and say this is where the house is located and design accordingly. If, if we had to change the design here it, it, it's, you pick one or the other. This, okay, Speaker 1: We're the chicken, you Speaker 22: Are the chicken or the Speaker 3: Egg, which is the egg. Yes. No, Speaker 1: We're the chicken. Speaker 3: And so I mean when I visited this site it did look as if it was, the interesting thing about that house is that they kind of piled it on depending with the granite, which actually looks pretty great. I don't, I'm not sure what it looks like in the back,
but when I looked at your design, it looks as if it's going to be, now I know it's in a different location much, but, but it looks like it's going to be leveled out to eliminate so that you don't have to conform to the granite. Is that correct? Am I getting that right? That Speaker 27: Is correct, yes. Yep. Speaker 3: Okay. And so are you gonna be able to do this with the existing soil on the lot, given how close the granite is to the surface?
Or are you gonna have to truck in? Speaker 27: We're gonna have to bring in clean fill. I would think we would have to bring in some material because where the existing house is, is where the foundation is gonna be. Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. So Speaker 27: We would have to fill in the front yard to get that driveway to go up to the garage. Speaker 3: Okay. So retaining walls. Speaker 27: No retaining walls. Speaker 3: No retaining walls. Okay. The, I didn't see the basement plot. Is that in the application or not? Oh wait, I'm sorry. Are you doing a basement? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 22: You mean the plan for the basement? Yes.
It, it should be in the, with the plans. Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't accessible this afternoon. I didn't write myself a note about that as to whether that was the case. And the third floor, there's livable space on the third floor or literally the third floor. Speaker 22: I don't know about the third floor. Speaker 27: I don't know about that. Speaker 22: I don't think so Speaker 3: Because once again trying to calculate the gross floor area, which is not listed on the checklist for some reason it makes it impossible to calculate. We Speaker 27: Have no, no third floor. Third floor. Third floor floor. No third floor. There Speaker 3: Was none. No there isn't probably. Okay, thank you. Speaker 22: To bring the height down. Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 22: That's the second floor there. Speaker 3: Yeah. So you don't know what the total gross floor area is offhand that Speaker 27: 30, 3600. Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, say that again. Speaker 22: 36 14. And the existing, depending how you calculate those various buildings from the assessors was about Speaker 27: 3000 Speaker 22: 3032. 2 57, 32 5, 2 30, 2 50. And we're going to 36 14. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 22: So another 400, 400 square feet plus or minus. Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you. Anybody else?
Okay, we'll close it. Jason condition would be what? The blasting right? Sure. Speaker 9: I would move that we approve the project based on a find that it's not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the pre-existing non-conforming use and structure provided it's built and substantial performance of plan submitted. And any requirements from town departments who submitted letters to the board with a condition that there is no, there's not gonna be any blasting. Speaker 1: Second. Second Ari, all those in favor? All to five. Oh in favor. Good luck. Thank you all very much. Speaker 2: Good evening. Thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you. You as welcome.
Now Amanda? Yeah. Is this the last one on the list but there's more in the folder. Speaker 18: Was there because I had to print them out for Dave Gu to review them from his letters. Oh, so that's why there's a pink Oh, sticky note in the Speaker 1: Restroom. Oh yeah, no worries. I Speaker 18: Wanted to get him to get on those so you guys could get them Speaker 1: Cracking the whip. Are we? Yes. Okay then last hearing is one 60 Cottage Street for Steve Bost for a finding per mass general law. Chapter 48, section six s zoning bylaw section four B.
The project is for the demolition of the existing family room, sunroom, kitchen, and second floor bathroom and the construction of an addition and the construction of an addition. Hello? Evan Coran. I'm the property owner. Okay. Look behind you. Yeah, it's the good news. I was watching this the first time. That's good. That's the good news. Yeah. Heard the first one. Actually the good news is 15. Yeah. Okay, let me, let me, let me just take a peek. Okay. Plenty. A lot. Plenty of frontage, plenty of depth. Plenty of front. It's west side. Good east side.
Okay. The east side is, yeah. So that's it. It's already non-conforming. It's gonna be slightly more non-conforming and the rear is conforming. Feel the coverage is good. Height is not changing. Okay. Speaker 13: This is pretty modest. Speaker 1: Okay. Lemme just rip through him quick. Okay. Big lot. Okay. Alright. Yep. Speaker 13: These vendors are getting crazy Speaker 2: Wild. Speaker 1: These, yeah, you can see your ear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wild. Speaker 13: I thought they took a picture of what they was. I know what they were knocking down. That's great.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, that's cool. That's so cool. Okay. Alright. I, I think I get it. It's pretty modest. So let's see if anyone here has any thoughts. We know nobody back there does 'cause there's nobody there. So anybody here have any qu questions, comments, thoughts? They want to None phrase Speaker 3: Just, just a couple minor. Go ahead. So there's a stone stonewall that runs in the front of your property and then does it take a jog over to your nig? Does it belong to you or your neighbor on the left?
Speaker 28: Yeah. So if you're on the north side, Speaker 3: Excuse me, sorry. Yes. On the north side, Speaker 28: EUC is on the south Speaker 3: Side. Yes. On the south side. Yes. Speaker 28: On the north side is is our neighbor directly where we're doing the work on the Speaker 3: North side. Right? Yeah. And so, so that, that stonewall is out of the way of your project, right? It's not, it's before you get to what you're gonna be doing, right? Speaker 28: Yeah. We're not gonna be touching that Stonewall. Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. There, that answers the question. Speaker 28: Great. I think he's gonna put a little bit of a, a returning wall where the driveway will be, but not to that Stonewall will be affected. Speaker 3: Okay. What about those beautiful big hemlocks in the backyard? Speaker 28: We're not touching any trees.
They, that's not, we're not doing that at all. Yeah. Speaker 3: Are you doing any excavation for this addition? Speaker 28: We're doing, it's gonna be like a footer. So it's not gonna be a full basement, a footer. It's gonna be underneath where the new basement or the new space it's gonna be. I I, you know, I'm not the build there. I'm not sure if it's a crawl space or it's gonna be a footer. Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, there's, there's no basement. In other words, we Speaker 28: Don't wanna go any deeper. Yeah. Deeper than we have to. Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. You wanna leave well enough alone in that location, right? Yes, exactly. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you. Anybody else? Alright, we'll close the public hearing. Jason, Speaker 9: Jason makes a motion to approve the project based on our finding that it's not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than preexisting nonconforming use
of structure, provided it's filled and substantial conformance of plan submitted in any town or requirements from town departments who submitted the letters to the board. Speaker 1: Second. I'll second Jeff. All those in favor? Five. Oh, you're all set. Great day. Speaker 28: Good luck. Yeah, thank you. Speaker 1: Take care. Speaker 28: This is interesting. This is a really neat, like public setting actually. You kinda watch Speaker 1: For, well when it goes your way, it is. Ask that guy ask that guy was up here before. See, it ought to be hybrid. Speaker 3: You could watch it every month. Speaker 1: You gotta tell these guys to take hybrid. Oh, of course. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate your thoughts. Okie dokey. Well, now we have some minutes, Amanda.
Is that right? Speaker 18: I, I haven't seen any minutes, so unless Speaker 1: I, I thought that was it on the agenda. Speaker 18: They are on there, but if I didn't send them out then I, I for the meeting. Okay. And No, don't vote those we take 'em up at Speaker 1: This meeting. Good. Alright, fair enough. So a motion to adjourn then Move to Speaker 9: Adjourn. Speaker 1: Second. I'll definitely second, second, second. And all those in favor? It's a five. Oh, it's a clean sweep.