Okay, it's 7:30. Call a meeting to order. Roll call, please. Miss Dolan here. Miss Bisca, present. Mrs. Mcnite, here. Mayor Morgan here. Mr. Kogan, here. Mr. Kamisky, I am here. Let's salute the flag.
I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. This is a public meeting of brow council of province county union state New Jersey has been
given in accordance appeal 1975 chapter 231 that addition was made in conformance with section 13 of the act. Uh right now we have uh ordinance 08.
Um Denise please read the title. Ordinance 2025-8 is an ordinance of the Bureau of New Providence, County of Union, State of New Jersey, amending chapter 207 of the code entitled property maintenance. Uh, can I have a motion, please?
So moved. A second. Second. Okay. What this is is an ordinance banning uh bamboo. It's an invasive uh v species. So, and I know I see uh David and Lisa
here. So, you know, anybody wants to discuss this ordinance and this ordinance only raise their hand. Either one. Okay. Just a couple of comments, professor. Yeah, sure. Yeah. My name is
Just give your name and address. Sure. My name is Ned Sienko. My address is 45 Johnson Drive, New Providence, New Jersey. Um I've been a resident of New Pro uh New Providence for over 30 or coming up on 30 years and I've come to speak out against the new bamboo bamboo ordinance at least in its current form.
Okay. Um feels that part of the ordinary party excuse me feel that parts of the ordinance unfairly penalize those who have had bamboo for like me 30 years and we're being asked to cure this within 30 days. I believe that the proposed ordinance should be considered with the
perspective of both parties involved. The person who feels that they're being encroached upon and the person that owns it. So, there's two sides to that story. Um, first I I have to acknowledge my ignorance. I don't know what the communication process is for ordinances such as these. And I found about found
out about this in a very random way and I'm glad that I did. I have the opportunity to kind of comment and suggest my my thoughts here. Um, but I know that there are a lot of folks I suspect that our neighbors, a lot of our neighbors, I would suspect the majority of our neighbors haven't heard about this and haven't had the opportunity to
opine and give their thoughts on this ordinance. And um, that's something I don't know how to address that, but it's it's it's something we should all think about it. Okay. Um, I think that given that this is the initial introduction of this ordinance,
we are introducing this for the first time. It hasn't existed for the last 30 years. Um I think that um that the requirement of land owners to fully cure any type of wrong within 30 days I I feel that's really aggressive.
Okay. And um again deal with it within 30 days or be fined. Right. So I think that that's pretty aggressive. Um I'm going to distinguish between what I consider to be the initial kind of you know we're introducing this law for the first time or the ordinance for the first time and then maybe after a year
the the maintenance of bamboo two different topics. I think for the initial introduction um I think that um you know the time frame is too brief um and therefore it's punitive for land owners. Um you know I
think there are things such as timing that are going to be out of the control of land owners. So um they cannot control the time frame with which the bamboo is removed. They can make a phone call. So for example I made when I heard about this I made three phone calls. I
called up three people to come and talk to me about bamboo remediation. Two did not return my call. One returned my call. I haven't gotten any estimate yet. Okay. So I'm two weeks into this process. Um if and when they do reply um we need to schedule for them to come and
actually do the job. So I think that it's probably unlikely that that's going to happen if I got the call tomorrow in two weeks, which would mean that I am despite my good faith effort to try to remediate the situation, I'm in violation of this new ordinance and therefore I will be fined, which again I
think that's a little bit, right? Um I also want to say that the the cost I'm just I think we all know this. I'm just going to say it anyway that the cost of doing this is inconsequential, right? Or is not inconsequential. that is meaningful, right? And it's going to
have serious implications for certain people in this town. Um, there are people that have low income, fixed income that are going to have to deal with this. And this wasn't anything that any of us could have planned for, right? This is something that, again, I stumbled across two weeks ago. Um, you
can't budget for it. People couldn't anticipate this and now they have a multi,000 bill that they have to deal with. So, that should be taken into consideration. Okay. Um I I guess in closing what I what I wanted to kind of maybe add is that I
believe that there should be several amendments made to the proposed ordinance. Um and those would be including but not limited to things such as like a grace period during this initial year when this is being rolled out. Maybe it's not 30 days, maybe it's
90 or 120 days where um we can get the estimates we can get worked on in a reasonable manner. Um and maybe there's a provision um again if we're showing good faith um that there can be extensions subject to the the approval
of other folks in the community. Um, so those those are my thoughts and um I think that you know we should probably table this in in my opinion to solicit other input from other um kind of taxpayers such as myself and Dave. Um and then maybe we can kind of retool this going forward.
Thank you. Appreciate your uh can I ask you a question real quick? Excuse me. Are you are you just referring to the portion of the of the ordinance that refers to the existing bamboo that's encroaching upon property lines within 5T? Yes. That's it. Okay. So, that's what you're addressing, that
specific point. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, David. Do you want to say something? I do. Thank you. Um I think Ned is very well spoken. Um David Blit at 11 Johnson Drive here with my wife Lisa. We've been town for 25
years and um I'm not sure you probably all have seen our bamboo on South Street. we have a so we're very uh affected by this ordinance and I too was taken by surprise a little bit um and it's my own fault um but I was just made
aware you know randomly of of of the ordinance and I think um I I'm here to ask that this is either tabled completely um or as you pointed out uh the one ordinance with the five feet
because I'm not sure our bamboo is encroaching on on the sidewalk and it's a lot of biomass and I'm just I'm at a little bit of a loss. Um it's the first time I've heard that that's a problem. I it's been a hedge for us and um I think
it looks nice but if it's a problem and you know legal issue I I'm not you know 100% prepared at this time to deal with it. So, I think if we if I think this could be covered with a grandfather cause if it could be written in. I have not
written any proposed language. Um, but I'd like to at least have time to perhaps revisit this and add in some some kind of language that would allow for that flexibility. And that's it. Okay. Thank you.
Yeah. My personal opinion is it's very very difficult to get rid of bamboo. I mean, they're telling me that sometimes it takes years to to eradicate it. And um
my my thing is if you already have it on your property, you should be able to keep it, but you should have the setbacks. And I know what you're saying about South Street, but we have gotten complaints over the years about it being overgrown.
And it hasn't been just one person, but it's been over the years. So, if we ever did that, I would ask that that bamboo at least be cut back to the fence so it doesn't encroach into the right away of the sidewalk.
Um I don't know if anybody else has any comments with that, but uh that's my own personal opinion. Yeah, I I would in light of Mr. Sienko's comments. I my understanding was that anybody that has it now and it's not encroaching on a neighbor that's
complaining. I don't I don't think that was the issue. I think it's how to deal with neighbors complaints when the bamboo is reaching their property and they don't want the bamboo there. So, but I agree with you 100%. I think we should table this uh tighten up the
language a little bit. Um I think good faith effort is an excellent idea. Um part of it is we just don't want people to ignore us when there's a complaint. So, we need to have a little teeth, but but at the same time, hopefully the the owner acknowledges it, makes the proper steps, at least starts
showing progress that they're aware of the ordinance and aware that they need to do something. But 30 days, you're not going to be able to do anything even to get estimates as you mentioned. So, I I think the other thing is that I think we this ordinance is pretty much to say
new people that don't have bamboo don't plant bamboo. If it's already there, like I said, I know for a fact it takes years to get rid of it. Yeah. It just keeps growing and growing. So, it's considered an invasive species.
So, but uh we can I'm all for tableing it. It's the first reading, right? Yeah. No, no. So, my understanding was that it's it's like we're talking about good faith. So, you don't need to completely remediate something within 30
days. You need to recognize the problem. Paul, correct me if I'm wrong. Recognize the problem and then also show that you're taking steps. We all know that it's an invasive species and that it could take years to remediate. So, as long as you're trying to remediate it,
then I thought that that was a good faith. It's not the language. So, but the other thing is on South Street, it's been a hazard and snow, rain, it's it's in actually on South Street. So, that's been a big problem.
So, I'm um I had I known it was your house, I would have just called you, Lisa. Um we did have someone trim it back and there's a wire up and it's just You're right. I mean, 25 years ago, it wasn't really a thought. It's just
you know I we I every year or two have somebody come and you know whack it down but when you whack that one stock three stocks come up but the other thing is this that's a a small portion of the town right so there are other people multiple other people
who have said to me we need an ordinance for bamboo because of x y and z so I think what we're all trying to do is come up with something that would be beneficial for everybody for new providence so procedurally if we table this as a second reading or is do we just
is is it okay to modify it? If you change it then it becomes the first reading. Okay. Fair enough. So um I think you need to I'm okay with I'll make a motion saying a second. You need a motion to table but just just
so you understand um and I'm sorry the gentleman is correct. I didn't get your name but um the language is 30 days. Keith actually provided the first draft. Um, I worked on the draft, but that had the 30 days. I suspect he got it from
another town. I don't know why the 30 days is there because it seems to me it's impossible. You could take that line out uh about giving a deadline and then it would be treated like any other issue that a construction official or property
maintenance official would have, which is you cite the violation. If you believe there's a violation, then you give them a period of time to resolve it. It becomes somewhat of the discretion of the officer. As long as he believes you are moving forward, then
nothing ever happens. But it would seem to me just as one suggestion. I don't know if you want to do other things, but you can take that language out in terms of the 30 days because I I don't know why it was there in the first place other than like I said, Keith got a draft and I suspect
from some other towns, but my suggestion would be you table it, move to table it if that's what you want to do. U we can take that out if there's any other and we'll revisit and revisit it. So, was that the only objection?
I I think there's a couple things. I think it's it's grandfathering in people that already have it, not allowing new residents to put it in. Making sure we have the setback set back require. So, I'll make a motion to table right away. I'll second the motion.
Okay. Uh, roll call, please. Miss Dolan, yes. Miss Blesca, I. Mrs. Mcnite? Yes. Mr. Kogan? Yes. Mr. Kamisky? Yes. Okay. Motion's tabled. Um, thank you for your comments.
You know, that's consider the setback being moved, you know, being maybe because it's it's tough. I'm not sure. I'm sorry. Procedural info are wrong, but that could we change the five foot, you know, maybe on a grandfather to,
you know, something the rightway is a right away. Okay. You know, I I can't change that. Okay. But, you know, as long as it's behind the fence, I mean, just as long as it's cut, you know. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. We don't want to be unreasonable. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. Um, have a motion for 09, please. So moved.
Second. Okay. This uh ordinance is uh to reappropriate $22,000 and for the order to provide restoration of storm sewer lines.
Um does anybody have uh anybody wish to address council on this ordinance? This ordinance only? Seeing no one, I declare the public hearing closed. Roll call, please. Miss Dolan, yes. Yes, Miss Pisca. I, Mrs. Mcnite, yes.
Mr. Kogan, yes. Mr. Kaminsky, I Okay. Uh, ordinance 10. Can I have a motion, please? Second. After. Okay. Uh, please read title.
Ordinance 2025-10 is an ordinance amending chapter 257 of the code of the bureau titled vehicles and traffic. Okay. What this ordinance is is to try and uh uh control ebikes and the use of
them. However, what has come up over the last couple days in Scotch Plains and Cranford, Mawa, I think Montville, uh the chief and I think you Paul want to revisit that. So, I would ask for a
motion to table until uh we re we revisit it. Can I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. Okay. Anybody want to address uh council on this ordinance? This ordinance over?
Go ahead, Alan. You do understand that we're tableabling this. Yeah, that's why I'm surprised that you asked for your comments. Well, you know, if you're going to make you you can make a comment and no, you know what? I I just I uh I'm not going to say everything that I would
have said, but ba basically um uh you as you know I I I ride an ebike and I started riding a bike in the early 50s. Um and um and you know, I've been bringing up the bike safety issue for a
long time here. So, I I would I wouldn't I wouldn't have had anything negative to say about the ordinance because anything that you're doing that that's going to increase the awareness and safety issues related to bikes uh is good. So, um so
I'm I'm I'm pleased that it it was out here. Um and um and and I I I would have made a comment about the what's happened in um Scotch Plains in Cranford uh which which is difficult thing to talk about.
I mean you know anyway but I have I have mentioned that this has been one of my concerns that when I see things so I I want you to keep that in mind I guess when you when you revisit some of the language here. um just that this is this
is really just extremely important. You know, we just don't want to experience in this town what they're going through in Cranford and Scotch Plains right now. Um and the only thing that I would say as someone who rides a bike a lot is um
when you do this, plan on putting together the ordinance is fine. It's going to be great. it's going to be, you know, increase awareness, but increase awareness is is the key term here. You
really need to combine it with a with an education effort. You know, something that I brought up in the past. So, I have confidence that you I I have confidence you're you're going to do that and the fact that you tabled it and you're going to take a harder look at it uh is a good thing. So,
thank you. Well, I I even said to chief uh when I was uh Ri Chamber of Commerce has the three mayors in three towns. That was the major topic that came up by the business community. So, I think I think eventually the state's going to
come up with regulations, but I want to be in the forefront before something happens. So, thank you for your comments. It's it's a tough one. I mean, it's really it's a tough one. All right. Thank you. Okay. Roll call, please. the table. One more comment.
Oh, yes. Two more comments. Oh, okay. Uh, good evening. Steve Carellis. Uh, I head the state chapter of the National Motors. I'm getting there. I head the state chapter of the National Motors Association. Um, our state headquarters
is in Berkeley Heights where I am a resident. Um, I haven't been here in a while, so it's uh You need to give her your address. And it's 35 Sycamore Avenue. Thank you. In Berkeley Heights. Um, I think Berkeley Heights is close enough. It is
nearby. Um, I won't go through everything. I was basically I am here to support the ordinance and um you know some of the things you do were u I think went further than other places like the not allowing them on sidewalks and making sure you uh were able to cover
being able to penalize for things beyond helmet violations because you'd have to do that locally. um the um pretty much I'll just provide my concluding statement that and it kind of goes along with the education component that was talked about. You
know, I can't overstate that the users of these conveyances must think, focus and operate in a very similar fashion as if they were driving a car and have a good sense of situational awareness. um you know paying attention and following the rules of the road goes a long way to
keeping people safe. So it's a this is a good move. And I'll just leave with a question. It's like um just so it's real clear. you reference things happening that you're tableabling this in these other towns and I'm remembering
in one there was a you know a crash with like a euser but is this could you just state what the the reason is that is causing the tableabling other than something that's happening in another town what is that what's happening in another town that's causing you to table
this ordinance it's it's because I just talked to the chief if I could So it it's not that it happened in another town. The chief just felt he wanted to take another look and be more comprehensive, including perhaps making
some changes to our bicycle. Speaking to the Okay, I can hear you. So that's I'm sorry. Um again for for Allan, anyone else who didn't hear the chief just wants to take another look at it. Uh he thinks maybe we need to be a little more comprehensive with
it. He quoted he mentioned that he may want to make some changes to our provisions as to bicycles, not just ebikes. So, and it's not just related to what happened in other towns. He just obviously that does bring it to the forefront, but we were already working on it. He just wants to take another
look and be a little more comprehensive. He thinks they do it right the first time, then they keep going back and adding. So, okay, that's what it is. Thank you. That really helps. And that is a good idea. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Hi. Uh, my name is Tan Tul. I live at 15
Clinton Avenue. Um, so because it's being tabled, I'll try and keep my comments pretty brief. Um, I appreciate that this ordinance is up for a vote. Um, I totally understand there's a whole statewide and nationalwide um, you know,
push to regulate ebikes because there are some very dangerous ones. There are some very reckless users out there. I totally understand the tragedies of the crashes in Cranford and Scott Pitch planes are awful. You know, I hate hearing about that. Um, that's my as a
that's my profession is to make safety plans for transportation. So, you know, it really hits me um when that sort of things happen. Um again, I really don't have a huge problem with this ordinance. Maybe other than the penalty um seems a
bit harsh. Um we I at least from my experience, a lot of ebikers are teenagers. Teenagers, most teenagers don't have 100, $200, $500 sitting around. Um, and to
say they get that fine, their parents pay it maybe once, then they get it again, they take away their ebike, now they're trapped at home, they're forced to have their parents drive them around, or they drive themselves, which it's a good it's a good form of education, though, isn't it?
I won't I won't I won't necessarily disagree with you. I I don't know. The chief is going to We'll go through all the fines. Yeah. Yeah. But I you know what? There's going to have to be some penalty. No, I'm not. For people to understand that this isn't okay.
And we were talking about how they have what are they? Speed restrictors and you can program those those things to so you can go 35 miles an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, there's there's some illegal devices. There's a lot of
reckless users. I work in Jersey City. Um, if you guys ever go to Manhattan or Jersey City, you'll see um both delivery ebike drivers that are zipping around. I had someone like swerve around me. So, I do understand it's frightening to just be walking down the street enjoying your
day and someone zooms by you on an ebike. Um, however, I would say understanding tableabling this, I would challenge you all to say that let's provide more space for kids to be kids on their bikes, for kids to walk to
school, to be able to bike to school, to be able to be teenagers. Teenagers are going to make mistakes. So, when the mistakes do happen, we don't want them to be tragedies like we're seeing in our other towns. Um, you know, we have a complete streets policy. Let's do
something with that. Right now, our cars are um our streets are kind of dominated by cars. We do have some pedestrians. We do have some nice pedestrian amenities. But if I walk from here to um Springfield and I try to get to Acme, it can be a hazardous experience sometimes.
We all know that. You probably all have experienced that our yourself. Um so just to my my challenge and my thought to you guys and my um would be that let's ensure that we're giving space to other users and not just saying you
can't be here because riding on the sidewalk sometimes that's the rational thing to do especially for a kid. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Tor. Anyone else seeing no one they declare their public hearing closed.
Roll call, please. Miss Dolan, yes. Miss Blesca, hi. Mrs. Mcnite, yes. Mr. Kogan, yes. Mr. Kaminsky, I just want to say, you know, um not that I'm disappointed, but I really did want to put this through
because of, you know, in light of um you know, a lot of information we're hearing uh around, you know, the state uh of which after investigations, I think some of it may have nothing to do with ebikes itself at all. Right. Um, you know,
somebody could have been on a skateboard and been hit by a car just as easy. Uh, I just want to challenge the public safety committee to just, you know, put this on the on the front and and let's get this back in front of us as soon as possible. It is number one topic.
Yeah. A, as Paul said, um, as Paul said, we're we want to make it comprehensive and instead of going back and amending, we're just going to do it right the first time. There's a couple things that we want to add to it. So, just to confirm what Lisa said before
you vote, uh the chief did have a lot of very good input. Um that's going to make this a lot better ordinance. Yeah. Again, I know you guys had a meeting tonight. I didn't get I didn't get any debrief on that yet obviously because it was right before the meeting. So, I just want to again make sure that
my comments are are heard and and uh we're again we're we're addressing this sooner rather than later. So, uh yeah, I'm I'm a yes for one. Okay, let's go to um the uh CB hearing
community development block grant. Uh the first one is for year uh 52 and it's for New Providence Senior Services and the ADA accessible bathroom
in the old burrow hall. Um I think uh those are the orders we want to put in, right? Whatever you guys want. One and two. I think uh I think that's what we've pretty much done. But we put the senior services first.
We just did a block grant um for next year for supplies and and netting and things like that. Right. Kids that was kids. This is a federal grant. Well, those are two that we always I thought it was Yeah. If you look at the notice of the
first link, I think the last one we did was for the barbash elevator. Right. Yeah. And then the senior health fair, they go they always do, but it seems like we're they just roll one right into another, right? And then it's the next year again. Okay. Is everybody in agreement with the with
the two? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, we'll move ahead with that and just open the public hearing on it, too. Yeah. Anybody uh public uh have any questions or comments on the block
grants? Seeing none, the hearing closed. We don't need a Do we need one? I could do it. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. U Miss Dolan. Yes. Miss Bisca. I. Mrs. Mcnite? Yes. Mr. Kogan? Yes.
Mr. Kamisky? I. Okay. I need approval of minutes for September 9th, please. So move. Second. All in favor? Yes. No. So be it.
Okay. uh correspondence Meglia Group. Uh it's a permanent application for NJB for Berkeley Heights for reconstruction of some of their storm water outfalls. Could we uh I'm just I know like we're
with 200 feet, right? I'm just thinking and I'm just replaying Andy's comments about, you know, affecting towns downstream and upstream and things of that nature. And I just, you know, want to just charge Bernardet, I guess, with making sure that Marie just stays
involved with this and that, you know, well, we we we had big discussion with the other towns. So, I'll report on that meeting. Uh, board of adjustment for 19 uh
Northview and and Eileen Riley about requesting permission to construct a patio. And I guess it's a gazbo over the sanitary sewer easement. And I Mr. Riley's here, right? You want to say a
few words or I figure we'll save some time so you don't have to go through the whole rig and roll at a whole meeting. It's been fascinating. Now I'm going to know what I do when I retire. Ed Riley. My wife and I uh live at 20
over Hill Road in in New Providence. We have an existing blue stone patio behind our house. We'd like to make it a little larger and I'll call it a open on all sides, but a roof over it. Too much too much Irish skin in our family and the sun is not a big fan. So, as we have
grandkids, we want to have a place where we can all gather and not have to go to the dermatologist quite so often. You don't kind of understand that. This is as dark as it gets. Uh, so patio's already there. We're going to expand it a a little bit. I don't know that we're
Well, we found out a lot. We'd always seen on our plans that there was uh an easement for the sanitary sewer line. I knew that the sewer went out from the back of our house. The honest answer is I didn't know where it went. So, when this came up, I think the zoning has been approved. Is that a fair statement?
I think we're talking with the engineer now about how close what's a safe way of doing this that doesn't encroach on the easement that would that you need to have access to in case it ever has to be accessed. It's only a limited number of homes. So, first we hired a firm to go
scope where our uh drain comes from our house and they put the flags in, but that didn't answer the full question because the place where we were going to be closest was the opposite end of the patio. So then the town, we asked the town could they come scope and they were very
responsive. Came out within a matter of days. So now I I think it probably provided some information to the town on a sewer line that's been there for an awfully long period of time. We know exactly where it is within the easement. It's marked with flags. We know what the
depth of it is at the closest point. So it's six feet down below the ground. I think that one corner of the drylaid blue stone would have to get lifted up, but just a tiny little corner of that. But it's not like there's a wall
uh that exists. I guess the question I have is if you're putting a structure in, you got to put footings in, but they're set back from it. But yes, the easement out of well out of the easement. And the
one thing that we have talked about is now that we know the pipe is six feet. If the footings would have been shorter, maybe you make them deeper so that no matter what, I mean that's a deep enough hole you're going to use a trench shield. If if they ever had to do it, it's not like the ground is going to be left there. But we don't want like you
want to know and be able to you have to be able to access the sewer line. We don't want to have a problem in our back. So Mr. Riley, if you clearly understand if if it's approved and the town has to go in to get to that pipe, it would be at your expense. Yeah. Yes. Anything.
Yep. 100%. So, the the picture that you had attached to the letter, um there was a plant bed that seems like it's way into the easement. Is that still?
So, we brought we This is our contractor uh from Harmony who updated and put on the easement exactly where the pipe lit lays. So, you can see that he brought a copy of that here if that's helpful. Maybe I can introduce myself to the board. My name is Mark Nissome. I'm a
licensed landscape architect and my address is 1520 Pinerove Avenue in Westfield. Uh, so I've testified before boards of adjustment often, never at town council, but this is fine. I was on the tree commission in Westfield, so I could be weigh in on your bamboo issue, but I can go back. Yes. And I can weigh
in on your bamboo issue if you would like, but not right now. Afternoon. So, so we have to qualify you first. Yeah, we could do that. I'm used to that. So, we've worked with the town engineer on this closely. and town engineers who
brought this concern brought this to you basically why we're here this evening. Uh initially our plants had a small modular block retaining wall in encroaching into the easement. We've now taken that away. So we are just putting
a little bit of grading basically adding a little earth on top of the pipe that's already six feet deep. So maybe it'll be six and a half feet deep when we're done. Um, which the the footings though for the permanent structure I think is where we really found out a lot of information when the DPW came out from
your town and located the line and then I went out and field measured that and added it to our plan. Uh, we found out that we're about six five and a half ft away from that pipe from those flags where those flags were placed. So that
the easement that um a client has is a 10-ft easement. So we're we're we are outside of that easement even now verifying the location of the pipe which it wasn't right down the middle right. So it wasn't right down that was the engineer's concern. That's the yellow portion on that
diagram. I have a plan in the middle highlighted in yellow. You said that this one is updated from what we have. Got there there's a there's a blue line on this plan that you guys can look at that we would be submitting this to the town engineer. Essentially what we also found out and what the engineers concern
was that the depth of the footing could potentially be undermined if they ever had a dig for that. We we've now know that the pipe is six feet deep. And so we've amended the plant to share with the engineer that we are willing to put a six foot deep footing in on that specific corner that is closest to the
pipe so that if they ever had to dig six foot deep to get to that pipe, they wouldn't actually be undermined our footing. And so that's what we've made. We've I think we've worked closely and made the adjustments necessary with the engineer based on gathering additional information so that we could come to you this evening and hopefully get approval
to continue with the process. Since we're good with zoning and now we just need to get into construction. The next step is to get past engineering. So just a question for Paul. You would have to there's obviously some sort of agreement you would have to have with the homeowner. Yes. I mean if if you're inclined to do
this, it would be subject to an agreement. I I get the sense that Mr. Riley is aware of this that we'd have an agreement that any construction would be subject to approval of the engineer, construction official, any other officials. Uh that they would be responsible in the event of any damage
to the sewer line and for the cost of repair and that they would be responsible to allow us uh access um under if we should need it, including you know, you may have to dig up that portion at some point. I I don't think it's going to happen, but that's what
the agreement would be. The agreement would basically be it's got to be approved by our people. Uh they're responsible for any damage and they agree that they're going to be responsible for the cost of digging anything up if we have to access. Can we also Paul, let me ask a question. If the
Riley's decide, you know, five years from now to move, I don't think you'll ever leave the properties, but you know, say they move. This is we're not planning to. So, a new a new owner comes in, are they then held to that same? Well, the agreement can be recorded. Um,
so that any new owner comes in, they're going to do a title search as the buyer. And when they do a title search, they're going to find that agreement just like this. They find a deed, they find a mortgage, they'll find that agreement so that any new owner will be aware of it. And and their their survey already had
in their deed like that that sewer easement was already on. It wasn't like a surprise. We would designed it initially knowing that it was there and kept our footings outside of that. We're not just going to make them essentially deeper. And we the engineer was concerned that what if the pipe wasn't in the center of that 10 foot ement with
5 foot of grace on either side. What if it was right up against the edge of the closest to the client's house and then we needed to actually go another five feet which is where now we're we know that we have that safety zone. I think it's an engineer.
We also just make sure that there's in those planting beds nothing that's you know bamboo no bamboo bamboo but any anything that might coming in from our neighbors here so no there will not be any may be deep rooted trees or things of that nature that may you know I think that's just make sure we stipulate
something like that okay that's not mind anyway so yes do we need to just know that this is just a discussion is this really a council approval issue it would need to move forward. And what I would suggest we do, again, if you're
all in favor of this, um, I will prepare an agreement. I'll circulate the agreement to all of you. So, if you have any suggestions, issues, once we're in agreement with it, I'll circulate it to the Riley's and uh when when they're approving it, then it'll be on for
resolution, authorizing execution at another meeting. Is there precedent for this type of agreement with I have done these types of agreements generally with a shed or a fence or a pool? We just did a fence about I think this might be my first patio. We definitely
did a shed. The first patio, first patio, but the shed, the fence, a pool all related to the sanitary sewer line underneath that's almost always easements in general. Utility utility easements. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you. Good. So, next month we'll be here to hear the resolution approved. Should be. You don't need to be here. Well, we will. Next month we can call the zoning official or the engineer the day after and move it to construction. Get a permit.
That's what we're hoping for. I don't need to see the plants. Okay. All right. Thank you. You don't have to stay anymore. Well, that's interesting. Always a learning experience, right? Yes, it has. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay.
Okay. We have city son summit uh zoning ordinance home and construction about 165 uh south street childc care center remediation response um
jackoon about a flag at new new providence high school that's a board of education issue uh New Jersey Transit about senior citizens and disabled residents transportation to the summit zoning ordinance board of
adjustment for 31 3rd Street. Isn't that you, Kate? Okay. Uh Union County Board of Commissioners um about a change of uh meeting day. Any
comments? Seeing none, we'll go to council business engineering. Alex, sure. Resolution 2550, resolution approving contract with CRT Contracting and Coding, Inc. for repairs to the Municipal Center Gym Masonary Walls, an
amount not to exceed $7,336 Bergen County Co-op BC-B-23-46. So, this approves this uh company CRT to scrape and remove loose coatings in the exterior gym wall in coated with a elastoometric sealant. So basically to
waterproof the wall. Uh resolution 251, resolution approving contract with Northeast Roof Maintenance, Inc. for repairs to the firehouse brick facade and chimney in the amount not to exceed $18,700. Bergen Co County Co-op BC23-46.
So their original scope was to um of work was to repoint and seal the bricks in the chimney of the firehouse. Then later was determined the corner section of the bricks have some severe water damage as well. So this approves them um with replacing rebuilding them with new
bricks. All right. Finance Lisa. Thank you, mayor. Uh we have resolution 2025-252 which is a resolution authorizing the cancellation of taxes receivable. This pertains uh to a 100% disabled veteran.
So we will be cancelling taxes for him. Uh resolution 2025-253 is resolution authorizing the payment of the attached bills payable list in the amount of $475,31926. The more significant items on here are
for Collars um for engineering services 71,585 suburban disposal for our August garbage $49,83 professional property appraisers this is the first payment uh going out to them
for our reval that is $46,377 McMman McManaman McMmanaman Scotland and Bowman. This is for professional services. 23,516. USSI Sports for summer tennis camps
$21,10 UC Utilities Authority for our August disposal fee 19,464. Hero Outfitters uh for our police uniforms 15,420.
and Envirro Site LLC for the sewer camera repair 13,423. All right. Uh resolution 255 is appointing crossing guard Eugenia Razaki starting October 1st. Uh resolution 255
is for Motor World of Solutions for radios for the EMS. That's for 11,610. You said 255 twice, so just want to clarify. The first one was 254. Oh, sorry. Okay. Make sure. Okay. Resolution uh 256
is for Danesian and Sun for $4,500 for striping and markings in the EMS parking lot. And they'll also make markings for the charging station. And we'll go to public works. Matt,
thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is uh first is an authorization to hire a wastewater treatment plant employee. Um this is approving one additional person to be hired for our wastewater treatment plant. As you know, our wastewater treatment plant um run by Tony Carnival, one of the
alltime great, best in the business. Uh he he's currently working the plant with four people, right? Um, and you know, uh, recently with all the storms and and you know, discharges and things that have been happening, um, you know, he's
looking to hire one more person. On top of that, you know, Tony's getting up there and he's probably got a limited amount of time left. We don't want him to ever leave us, but, uh, we do, uh, want to plan for that, right? And so this
additional person will also allow us to uh give him more time to help train his successor as well um so that the plant can continue to run uh smoothly. Uh resolution 257 is a resolution authorizing the agreement between the
burough and the providence and the county union regarding conversation center conservation center leaf disposal. This is our memorable understanding for HVI services. This is for us to be able to utilize their county conservation center for our leaf
disposal. Um, resolution 258 is a resolution approving the requisition R2501929 for Automation Systems Solutions, Inc. in the amount not to exceed $5,000 for emergency switchge gear repair at the
wastewater treatment plant. Uh the switch gear is when uh the power plant I'm sorry the wastewater treatment plant loses power and it automatically switches over to its generator. So it is a very important piece of our operations.
Can I ask a question quick of the um additional plant operator? Would this person come in at sort of an entry level? Um is that the idea or Yes. Okay. And then they would be trained and
hopefully brought up through the ranks. That's correct. Okay. So, this is a approval to actually open a requisition for somebody to apply. That's right. Okay. Yeah. Then once we approve this, the
next steps would be um the job requisition and us approving the um this the advertisement of the job and then the next one hopefully will be our approving the higher
the higher end salary. From a historical perspective, I believe Tony's original team was probably this size and through through his herculean efforts of keeping the plant running and being so efficient. But I think with now the intensity of storms and people have to
realize I think a lot of people do realize uh these individuals have to report to the plant on these emergencies, not to go home like we get to go home to. Um so so his historically speaking um the number of personnel in the wastewater
treatment plant used to be larger. Um over the years we experienced um several people who left and went to various other jobs for a long time. We did keep that position open um and Tony at that point felt that he could manage it. Um I
will say that the four people include Tony. So, it's a 24/7, 365 day a year position. Um, and all all of the jobs down at wastewater treatment DPW are all governed by um the Teamsters's contract.
So, yes, if they come in at at their first level and they get stepped accordingly. Okay. Thank you. And I think it's also we we note that we have to take care of the summit pumping stations. They pay us to do that. So, you know, there's a there's a
lot of work that goes on and with the storm order, uh, even though it's not sanitary sewer, you know, they'll be they'll be doing some work on the storm sewers, too. And that extra extra person is going to give us a little flexibility
to move people around. Okay, we got to committee reports. Um I met with um discussion items. You didn't tell me up front. Oh, sorry. Tell can I have a discussion
item? Go ahead. So uh America 250 had a meeting on Wednesday which was after the uh uh agenda was set. So, uh, America 250 had requested that I discuss with everybody
the fact that, um, you know, we're coming up on Pioneer Day and they would like to purchase a banner slash table runner thing and possibly tattoos to give um out at uh, Pioneer Day. Uh,
there will be an article coming out uh, unveiling the logo. So, a lot of exciting things happening for um, America 250. So, they just wanted permission. I think a table runner is about $200 and um I'm not sure how much the uh the the tattoos will be, but they
won't be, you know, anything significant and it's definitely below the $500 budget. So, they just wanted to get approval for that. Does anybody have any questions or Well, so you you budgeted money for 250, so it's within the realm. So,
they need just approval. Yeah, I think we just need approval to, you know, say any objections to it. No. Okay. Okay, that's it. Okay. I met with an Eagle Scout today
and um what a what a great project. Him and his father and other other scouts, they made a storage room on the uh on the uh stage in the gym and
They put in hooks. I mean, it's just a beautiful job. And they hang easels up there so nothing gets damaged. Uh uh Allison is thrilled with it. And they also built a new ramp for handicapped
people to get up through the back door to for uh handicapped people. So, it it was a great job. And I want to thank Michael. What a great kid. And um it I I can't believe the uh workmanship that
went into that. It's just beautiful. Uh the other thing we have chat with the mayor on Friday um at 6:30 uh to 8 in the Lincoln room. Uh Katherine's going to be there. Um
uh we have the car show coming up Saturday which will be a lot of fun. It's supposed to be a beautiful day, too. So, uh, that starts at 9:00, 10:00. I know. Uh, the registration starts at
8, so they'll have food, awards, trophies, and it's always a really good time. Um I wanted to bring up something a little personal is after the last um
the last council meeting uh there was a lot that went on and um I don't know if anybody most of you probably knew Michael Laco he passed away suddenly and he was a good friend to everybody in the bur specialties
and that was very sad and then we had uh 911 the next day and I want to thank the fire department and all the participants for a just a uh a very nice solemn
ceremony. We actually had two residents come up to speak. They haven't spoken about it in 24 years. And they gave uh I mean everybody was
all choked up and it was really moving. And I I just I I I just and I I I said that night that 912
we all came together and everybody worked together for a common good. Um, I don't know what's happened over the
last 20some years, but we're not like that anymore in this country. The rhetoric has to be toned down. The divisions have got to stop if we're
going to survive. I I have never seen it. It reminds me in 1968 and a lot of people don't even weren't even around him, but it it it it's horrifying what I see
every single day on the news. Just terrible. But I was with Senator Brnik last night and he and Senator Cryan, one a Republican, one a Democrat, both very good friends
of mine, and they're going on a civility tour and hopefully hopefully they can break through some of the barriers here. You know, we can all agree to disagree, but we should all be respectful to each
other. And I and I hope in my heart that we can turn this country around somehow and and do that. So, I just wanted to say that. The other thing was
uh storm water. We had our first meeting. Um, it was productive. Everybody had a lot of good comments and ideas. What we decided to do was break the town up into sections
like we did the traffic. And each section will have uh flash points that we will take care of first and then from there we'll work our way out. This isn't just going to happen
this year, but it's going to be an ongoing project for many many many years. We're going to go through all the storm sewers. We're go going to uh you know Cameron them, see if there's any blockages, see if there's anything that
needs to be cleaned out. We've already checked all the outfalls. They're all clear. Okay. They've done extensive work up at the flume. I know paid over by you. They've done a lot of work. Um, and you can see that we just
appropriated $200,000 to uh to to work on the storm order. Besides that, Bernardet was key into uh getting other towns, Long Hill, Summit,
New Providence, Berkeley Heights, and and Channel Township to go in for to uh put in for a grant with the state. As you recall, there was a correspondence as there's $300 million out there. So,
um, we figure the regional approach is the way to go and you know, I agree with that. The more towns involved, the more money you're going to get and the more likelihood that you're going to receive some funds. Just to comment on that meeting, so I I
was on that call. Yeah. Um, I think we're not giving Bernardet enough credit. Um, it was like hurting cats. It really was. There was only one person that knew what they were talking about. Yeah. and and getting everybody. It was almost like just say yes. Just
say yes. Please say yes. Everybody was in agreement. They were, but you can tell who's in charge, right? So, sorry. Yeah. You're amazing. Um then Bernardet, myself, and Chief Hen
went to Berkeley Heights last Friday and we met with the D and the Army Corps engineer. uh their representatives. Well, everything that Andy Hippolit told us
here was exactly right. Um they were talking about long-term long-term long term. And I I just finally said that's all great. Long term like 30 years in Bound Brook, right?
What are you going to do for us now? And well, we don't have the answers. Nobody had answers. It was like this. I mean, Long Hill was there. Summit was there. Uh, we were there. Berkeley
Heights. Is there anybody? Warren. Warren. Warren County was there. The county was there. Who else? The county. County. Yeah. And Amy from the county is amazing. She's going to spearhead the whole thing. Uh, but
I gotta tell you, I don't see a whole lot of relief in the short term here. Um, we were told there's pretty much we we can't do no machinery whatsoever can go into the the brooks and and the and the
river. So, they said maybe we can go out there on a roadboat and pull this stuff out, some of it. But these trees, you know, along the river, I mean, they're they're huge.
The countyy's going to try, they have a dm snagging machine. They're going to try and get permits. Um, the other thing was they say you got to put a permit, pay for a permit every single year.
The whole thing is ridiculous. That's even if you get the permit. But, you know, I I I got to hand it to Angie uh Deainy, Mayor Berkeley Heights, who who put this together. And hopefully we can get some political pressure and and try
and get this thing going, you know, with the higherups. But um you know I just wanted to report on it because every single town is having the same problems we are and there's only so much
it it's all about money and pruning and that's the bottom line. They absolutely said you cannot dredge and and they said because all the water will go downstream. I said, "Well, when the
hurricane Floyd was happened in 99, Blue Acres bought all those houses in Toad, Little Falls, Wayne, Total." Yeah. All down there because they were flooding out because of the downflow,
right? So, I said, "If we if we dredge it out to original grade, it's it's going to be the same thing as it was in 99." No answer. So yeah, I think you you know this stuff better than I do.
I I don't think so. But um but I would say um from the feedback that you're getting uh as you mentioned with whether it's Congress, whether it's the county, whe it on our own and I think we have a good strategic approach based on that
meeting. Think one thing we should mention uh we're getting some proposals from Collars now to map out every inch of those pipes as well. I think reallocating these funds are going to help tremendously with that. Um again data data data. Let's see what we have.
We'll eventually the goal is to scope every single pipe in New Providence. Uh see where the problems are, attack it systematically. Um, but as you've been saying, we're trying everything at the level above us and not getting much support. So, we'll
have to start doing this on our own. And I think we have the resources, the technical resources to do it. Financially, we'll just have to budget every year. Um, but I think we're on the right path. I think one thing that did come out of that meeting that every single person in
here, every town said overdevelopment. Mhm. All this overdevelopment and people putting in all this imperous surfaces is contributing greatly to all the storm water problems. And
I I have to I have to agree with them. Even though that RSIS standards say one thing, the reality is this this is not good. And it goes from from big developments
to, you know, uh uh residential, you know, it every little bit, you know, it causes uh the flooding. So, uh let's see where it goes from there. But like I like you said, Alex, we have
a good plan coming up. So, we do what we can with what we have. Any questions? So, will it be like a fiveyear plan, a 10-year plan? This is ongoing forever. Like, well, I think I think once we get an idea, let's get the call it the
diagnosis of where we are, what's what's blocked, what's not blocked, what's running. Then obviously you have to start allocating funds, see what the cost is, where the most critical areas are to attack first. Um um yeah, it's going to take several years. I don't know if it's
a 5year, 10 year plan, but I think we're still in the whole data collection, you know. And and I think it's it's like a forever thing really because when you get when you get to the the end of the first round, you're going to have
to go back and and start all over again. But we that's why we all we have all those plans, right? We have a communications plan. We have a traffic plan. We have So this is just going to be another plan. Another plan. We upgrade the traffic every year. We have the road paving program every single year. We do the in
citraform uh lining of sewer pipes. We do that. We put money away every single year. So, you know, we'll do our best with the funds that we have. So, okay. Can I just um make one more comment? I
know I had brought this up um to Bernardet. I I shared it with Alex, but there is a bill that's being considered in New Jersey state legislature um called um super fund, a climate super fund.
And uh the idea would be that there would be a fund generated just like there was for cleaning up contaminated um you know, chemical plants and things like that. that would then be allocated
to um towns and municipalities who and they could use it to actually, you know, reinforce their storm water management infrastructure. Um the idea is that uh it's uh sitting
in committee and this and that in town, but uh there's a a group that's looking for municipalities to pass a resolution in support of this bill. We can do that. Yeah, I think you all and as it gets on the committee, uh I'm
sure municipalities will Yeah, there's already about at least 50 uh cities in the state that have already passed this resolution. It's a resolution of support, right? A resolution of support for the bill, even if the bill like doesn't wind up
getting approved, I think anytime our town is associated with something like this that's looking for that support, it's going to be a good thing. uh for us because we're we need to uncover every single opportunity in my opinion. So um you can I think sustainability
committee might be to bring it forward. We'll bring it next meeting is coming up uh next week. So um oh this week sorry tomorrow. Thank you John. That's why you're the best. One thing that lead municipalities in the conference of mayors
when a bill like that gets out of committee then they send us a notification and a sample uh resolution support. So we don't have to break the we don't have to uh construct the wagon wheel. Right.
So we'll keep an eye out for that tomorrow. Definitely we'll discuss. Okay. Yeah because there is a sample resolution available. just didn't it didn't come from the committees. But I mean, we could start there. Yeah. And I think the key with all the storm water um issues we're talking about, I
think it's a um invigorating level of uh commitment to actually doing something and and and looking at our problem areas and committing um whether it's professional resources or financial resources to to to fixing
some of these problematic areas. And a lot of it, yes, it's overdevelopment out, but the intensity of these storms, as we've all said, is is a whole different ballgame because we can have every single line cleared, it still might not be enough. And you did hear that from D and the
Army Corps of Engineers. They said the same thing. So, um, unfortunately, I know they the assembly won't even be back in session till like December. So, all right.
There you go, Matt. Oh, you want go ahead Matt. I'll have the good news, but go ahead. I just want to say that I think that was a record for you right there on your report. So, and I do want to say thank you for for
mentioning Mike Laco. Um, you know, uh, Mike's a what I like to call a true pioneer. you know, um the Lock family are all true pioneers and you know, I've worked with Mike for 20 years now, basically, um helping put uniforms on
our children, uh for all of our sports programs and uh he's a great guy and we'll be missed for sure. Um the only thing I have really is just the planning board. Just wanted to mention the planning board's next meeting is October 7th. Uh I feel like it's been
quite a while. I have to ask the mayor if we had a meeting since since our last council meeting. That's how long I feel like it's been. But um yeah, just want to make sure we're it's it's out everybody's aware. It's October 7th, 8:00. Uh we're still looking at Toll Brothers. So uh if you have
concerns or questions about that application, please continue to show up and ask questions. And that's it for me. Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. Um so uh on the sustainability front so we have very
good news to report. Uh we uh two weeks ago we learned that we did reach uh silver status. Uh that was a major major uh accomplishment many years in the making. Um herculean effort by uh Doug Sullivan our chairman.
Um um Allison Smith, Bernardet, John uh and various uh Robert's back there uh committee members. Everybody took on several tasks. Uh I think I mentioned we needed 350 points. We got 350 points.
The only question I don't know is once you hit 350 that they just stopped counting because we sub we submitted more. Um but just to give people a little perspective. So, in Union County, it's only three towns that have silver status. Summit, Westfield, and now New
Providence. Um, in 2024, there were only 28 municipalities out of 564 municipalities in the state that had this silver status. Uh, in 2025, now that they just updated the files, only 64 towns out of 564 towns. So, we're in
um in the elite elite level. um we can't rest on our laurels. We now know kind of the the the roadmap for this uh what what needs to be done. Um I think I mentioned in prior meetings that whoever was approving our our application was
definitely a stickler for a lot of things. Um and and and they were really just uh we can tell talk about them for a while, but it's great. I I don't I don't think people realize how important this is, how big it is. Um, and I just
want to thank our uh, sustainability committee and all the volunteers. Um, not just the ones that are here, but even some of the students that we have. Uh, it's it's amazing and I think everybody deserves a lot of praise to to getting there. Can I just Thank you. And then can I
just say, you know, I do want to I want to say congratulations to the council and the mayor for for their commitment to providing the the the whatever they needed on the sustainability to get this done. And I also want to say thank you to Councilwoman Dian Blisa who I don't know
four years ago brought this up as you know something that we should be looking at. Uh and as you all may or may not be aware we all kind of serve on all of our committees throughout our our life cycle here on council. And the reason for that is so that we get exposure to all of
that and when we're there we hopefully bring fresh ideas. And so thank you for bringing that idea to the table. Congratulations to all of the uh the committee as well for literally putting in the effort to to to get that across the board. So, excellent job.
And I just also want to add, you know, our sustainability committee is fantastic. Um when we were at LIA municipalities, I think it was two years ago, we had gone to a a workshop and Westfield, who has silver status, was saying, "Well, you should do this and you should do that and you should do the
other thing." And Alex and I happen to be in it and we were like, "We do that. we do that, we do that. So, even though we hadn't had we had bronze status a couple years ago, we were still going above and beyond and I think it's a testament to the people in our town that we want to do these kind of things and
be sustainable. I just add one more thing. You know, sometimes we hit home runs with a council person on a committee and we kind of ask them to stay on for another year or maybe longer because that person is doing such
a great job and and things are just really rolling and and and you know, Councilman Kogan is a perfect example of that uh on on the sustainability committee and his consistency and his efforts. So, I want to congratulate you as well. Thank you. Again, it's all the volunteers. We is a team effort.
Alex, could you just talk about the like top two or three things that are the advantages of having silver status? I know we have access to more more grants. More grants. I think this that's a great question. It's uh a step up. Uh as you could see, we apply typically for the $2,500 grant that we
always get. This year we go 10,000 and the next one's 250,000. Uh we're applying for the community energy uh grant now as well. I I think being in this uh other group definitely shows that your town, your leadership of
the town like all of us are committed to these uh efforts. Uh you know, we have two buildings coming up. Hopefully uh getting grants for those is going to be a lot a little easier. Um yeah, like I said, we're now not in the minor leagues anymore. And and just not only the the grant
money, right? I mean you could speak to this more than me of course but it's having that status means that you know the bureau is putting in a a major you know effort in terms of its ordinances in terms of you know you know doing
little things to to to make the world a better place right so so just having that status you know yeah offers us an opportunity to get additional grant money but it also is you know a flag you know in our cap that says you know the effort that we're putting in to to to
have that status is is pretty good. What else can we shoot for now? Because we've got AAA bond rating, we've got silver status. I think I think they have a gold star, I think. But what else? What else? You get you're getting a gold star. But, uh, the other thing just to mention on sustainability. So, um, since our
last meeting, we had the free cycle event, which was a huge success. U, thank you to John for that's his he he keeps saying it's somebody else's baby, but it literally is his baby. Um I if you were there early in the morning, you saw the amount of people that uh
attended that event, the amount of junk that was collected at the end, but most I mean most of it is going to a good household and is not going to the waist stream. Um I think we every year we revisit I think the toys that people donate are just trying to get rid of
junk. So we might have to tighten up our uh protocols on that. But yeah, it was a beautiful day. Uh again the volunteers stay there. Robert cutting up the boxes till the very end. Um so it was great cleanup. You would have when we were done you would have thought nothing happened there.
Go ahead John. Remarkably we only had a half a carton of junk. Everything else everything that was but eventually they took stuff we were down to carton. Really amazing. Wow. Congratulations. Good job.
So thank you. I have a pod in my garage. I just blew my garage out. I have a pod on my uh driveway. Can we have one at my house this week? That's called a garage. And and then the only other thing I'll mention, Al, I I think maybe Bernardet was going to mention this later, but uh
there's a public session on Wednesday the October 15th for the revals, but you you'll maybe shed more light on that. Lisa, sorry. Taking your I'm done talking. Pioneer Day survey, isn't there for sustainab
sustainability committee? So during Pioneer Day or the old the street fair, uh there will be a booth the sustainability committee will have it's a survey um uh for our community grant application that's required. So residents will have a little survey to
fill out. We're hoping we get a lot of feedback of what um we're working now with uh someone to help us put that survey together. Thank you, mayor. Um, so yeah, congratulations to sustainability. That's awesome news. Congratulations to
sustainability. Awesome news. And a lot of good meaty information. Storm water committee. Um, just all Yeah, some very meaty meeting. I like it. Uh, now we're going to go to beautifification. So beautifification met and looking at a
couple different initiatives but um in the you know in the forefront right here thinking about the holidays already and lighting up Centennial Park like we usually do. So we are starting our appeal to businesses and residents to raise money to light up the park again
like we did last year. uh mental health uh committee met and as you probably noticed uh September suicide prevention month. We are on the last day of that. We did put up a banner here in Centennial Park. We had the
electron electronic bulletin board in town and some social media posts uh really just stressing the message of you're not alone and the the crisis line of 988 just really trying to get that out to people. Um so so important for
for people to realize that there is uh there's help out there for them. Uh we are also starting to look at May for mental health awareness month. So what we did was we recapped last year uh we had the consortium with the 10
different towns which was awesome. Um, you know, I think that was such such an amazing thing to be able to go from one end of Springfield Avenue to the to the from one from tip to toe and every town participating with banners and ribbons
and just a very unified message all around. Um, so we looked at what worked, what didn't, and you know what we're going to do this year. So, planning is underway for that. Uh, library board also met. Couple things on that. Um, in
case you didn't know, the library does have new hours. They're open till 9 o'clock now. Um, the driveway is done. I'm sure you also saw pictures of the ribbon cutting for that. That was really a, you know, primarily a safety feature.
Uh, before the driveway in and out was in the very same narrow little opening. Now it's a nice flow for an entrance and an exit and uh just a better safety mechanism there. Um they they did tweak
the website. So if you go on the library website, you'll be able to um look at things like a curated book lists and look at all the different bestsellers that are out there. A lot of different online resources. And this is all a
benefit of being part of Maine as well. Um, what else? Oh, so room reservations, too. So, now you can actually rent, you know, book a little study room if you wanted to, and you could do that right online. Um,
isn't October like library renew your library card? Renew your library card. So, they have, you know, four different five different versions of the library card. So, take a look at your library card. go get yourself a new one if it's near near the
end and and useful life of that. Um, what else? They uh the the friends of the library are having an accessory sale. So, I said that I would mention that. That is going to be in December, but right now they're collecting um
items for it. So, if you have costume jewelry, purses, watches, fashion scarves, hats, not little winter hats, but the nice hats, um you can donate those right at the library. They're collecting them up until December 1st. And that accessory sale will be on
December 13th, all to raise money for the library so they can continue all the wonderful programming and um events that they have. Oh, and the reval. So the Are you going to talk about that, Bernardet? We can.
So So the reval did start. Have they actually started knocking on doors? Actually started. What? Where? Where have they started? My house. They haven't come to my house. Yeah, they're they're actually deployed townwide, so they're not in one area.
Okay. Uh so October 15th at 7 PM will be an information session uh for the Reval. I would highly recommend that you come, bring your friends, bring your neighbors, so everybody can ask questions and go into this very informed, know what uh the the
appraisers are going to be doing, what they're looking for, and what your responsibility is as as the homeowner. There's also a tab on the website. Yeah, tab on the website. It's been it's all over social media, too. You lots of information out there.
Oh, I'm sure. Okay, Diane. Thank you, Mayor. Um, community activities, uh, classes started on the 15th. Things are going well. If you could believe it or not, basketball registration is open
already and that starts December 1st, but look at, um, the website, government department's community activities tab, and you will find a host of information. Um, there is also a four session painting session that begins in October,
three weeks in October and then uh one week in November. Sounds like a lot of fun. Uh, Mayor Morgan talked about one of the Eagle projects. We actually had three Eagle projects going on. So, Michael Zar is uh the storage closet.
Uh, Richard Fediv, I apologize if I'm mispronouncing any names. He built a chess table, stools, and chess piece boxes at Oakwood Park picnic pavilion. And Davis Straforth refurbished the Lions Park basketball
court. So, um, we have a huge pipeline through, uh, Allison Smith and the recck department, the community activities department. Um, so it's just such a great community, uh, uh, cooperation event. So, um, I love
when that happens. Um, I also spoke to uh a Eagle candidate about uh uh what was it? It's one of the Eagle badges. Um uh citizenship in the community. Citizenship in the community. Sorry. And
yeah, so that's always fun to talk to the kids about that. Um community activities, older adult services. Naen's not here, so I will talk about uh we had a visit to Lantern Hill. uh council president uh Mcnite, Councilman Kogan,
and myself went up to Lantern Hill at the beginning of September. It was a really great visit. Um we actually had our computer. We showed them how to uh look for things on our website. Um our our um calendar and such and we actually were talking about the school district.
Um I'm also the board of ed liaison and uh how we have free concerts and you know the fall play and you know shout out to all that kind of thing. So, um it was really very interesting and um condensed very informative condensed budget presentation. Condensed budget presentation. They were not too interested. They
weren't interested in that. Um but the the question and answer was really great. So again, we're doing this on a quarterly basis. Our next visit will be on the 12th and that will be um What did I say? You just said the 12th. Oh, December 12th. December 12th.
I read the 12th in my mind. um December 12th on a quarterly basis. Uh and that will be uh councilwoman uh Jeffroy, Councilman Kogan, and Council Person Dolan. Um we are working on visits to the Dorso Center in Barabbash Manor and
you know just really excited about that. Um uh historical society has a bunch of things going on. Uh fall graveyard tours have started and there are three more. Saturday the 18th of October at 1:30 and
2:30 and then November 1st at 1:30. Uh there is a fall society program, the Gilded Age of Carl H. Schultz, which is next, not this Thursday, but next Thursday, October 9th at 7 p.m. in the Dorso Center. Um it sounds really
exciting because it's all about New Providence and Amari Hill and Carl H. Schultz. So um please You don't have to sign up. It's a free program. Please come. Uh, four centuries in a Weekend will be October 18th and
19th. The Salt Box Museum and the Mason Room archive room will be open to the public. And they they will also be at the Pioneer Street Fair. And that's that. And I talked about, you know, uh, board
of ed and, you know, band competitions, Friday night lights, you know, look on their website. And I think that's kind of everything. You talked about chat with the mayor, so I think that's good. And you talked about the car show on Saturday. I think we're good.
I think everybody should know there is a lot going on in October. So, please go to the website. is uh I know we have a fireman's uh open house. Uh the packet club is having an open
house. Uh there's a lot of things going on. So because the the did and the NP um BPA uh have created the NP biz and it's all of October and that's it's everywhere on the websites. Okay, Kathleen,
thank you mayor. uh diversity committee. Another thing happening in October is the Hispanic Heritage Celebration that's going to happen on Saturday, October 11th from 1 to 3 p.m. at the Berkeley Heights Y. Um so that's a collaboration between New Providence
Summit and Berkeley Heights. Encourage all of our residents to attend. Uh municipal alliance, the monthly municipal alliance meetings have been added to the burough calendar of events. So if you subscribe to the calendar, you get the notifications. Uh you will get
heads up about the meetings and we are looking for volunteers. So please join one of these meetings. Just check it out and see if it's something that you think you might want to volunteer for. Uh the next meeting is actually a week from tomorrow, October 8th at 7 PM here in
the Burough Building. So, I just uh did not actually talk with uh Mayor Morgan before this meeting, but I had planned to say a few things related to what he talked about earlier. Um, and it has to do with what I consider
some very disturbing and in some cases illegal um, activity in New Providence be related to our upcoming election on November 4th. Uh, for state, county, local government positions as well as board of ed. Um, so most of you know
that you've you've been in town the past few weeks. You've seen their lawn signs all over town uh that are supporting one or more candidates for one or more of these positions. And when a property owner chooses to display one of these signs, they do so
freely and have property rights over the signs they display. So, but if anyone walking by or driving by decides they don't like the message being displayed, that's not justification to knock the sign down or remove it or throw it in one of our waterways.
That's property damage, theft, and littering. And with the number of security cameras installed in our neighborhoods, if you are one of these perpetrators, you shouldn't be surprised if you're identified and charged. Secondly, if you are a frequent user of
social media, you may have seen some personal attacks being posted against one or more candidates for one or more of these positions locally. Uh we are all titled to our opinions, but I encourage all our residents to focus those opinions on the issues and
refrain from personal attacks on social media. So lastly, some residents received recently unsigned letters through the US mail in their mailboxes with the exact same personal attacks that were posted on social media.
uh the sender obviously took the time to identify specific residents in their addresses to send them this vitriol. This is harmful and shameful. So the point being that in today's America, it's hard not to see how our
society has become less open to or even capable of having civil discourse and isstead instead is using all means available to launch random and baseless and in some cases illegal attacks on individuals who are putting themselves
forward to support our communities. These tactics are not new, but they are becoming more sinister and more unhinged. We've seen how political violence can accelerate this divisiveness, and we cannot condone it or tolerate it
anywhere at any level through any means. This should not be us. This should not be happening in New Providence. We all have the right to free speech thanks to our Constitution. We can respect everyone's rights without tearing each other down.
In this year's election and in all elections, I encourage all of us to freely stand behind those candidates who we feel best represent our positions and values with a sign or a positive post or a neighborhood gathering and ultimately
with our votes. This is how we can keep this town a nice place with nice people. Thank you. Well, apparently, well, this isn't anything new. This has been going on for years. Um, I get some pretty uh
pretty uh colorful letters with no name, no address. They come right to town hall. If you don't have the courage to put your name on something, it's not worth the paper it's written on. So, um,
I get it. I I get it. And you know, like I said, we could all agree to disagree, but just show some restraint and respect. Alex, go ahead. I was going to say something, but agree with your statement 100%. Yeah. Um
I failed to mention during my report. So, tomorrow night is Yom Kapor. As a Jewish uh um councilman here, I have to explain. So, Yom Kapour stands for Day of Atonement. I will be praying for all my sins and praying to forgive you for all your sins.
Well, thank you. I'll be there for a while. Thank you. I'll be there for a while. Yeah. Bless you, my son. But, uh, the holiday starts at sundown. Uh, tomorrow night till sundown Thursday. And, uh, today actually is the last day of, uh, Hispanic Heritage Month. And we
want to thank our Hispanic friends and citizens for all that they do for our town. and um wish them all well. Okay. Anything else? Sure.
Uh just a few things. Uh paving and striping. Everyone is aware that we finally have completed our paving for the year. Uh the railroad crossings were paved last week. The striping will take place on Monday um throughout town, not only at the railroad crossings. So, um
there could be um some delays in movement as that's happening. Uh the pool bridge um initially the contractor had thought that they would be able to construct the bridge in the parking lot, pour the concrete, and then start working on removing the old bridge and
putting in the temporary bridge and doing the abupments. and we've run into I I'm going to say a delay in in the fact that they're now trying to figure out a lifting plan that will be able to lift the bridge into place once all of that happens. So, there's nothing
happening at the bridge right now. The the old bridge is still in place. The pool is bringing in um their people to shut down the pool this week. Um so, while that's happening, they're they are working in the background, but there's nothing visible. Um, I want to thank the
county for putting out a statement regarding the Payic Street Bridge last week. Um, where many people feel that nothing is happening there. Also, there is stuff happening. Um, much of the stuff you can't see, including, um, we're at a point where the concrete that has been poured on the decking is curing
at this point. Um, they still have a few more things to do, parapit, stonework, um, utilities. Um, and they're anticipating that the bridge will open probably by the end of the month. And I want to remind people that leaf permits
are available. First pickup is October 20th. Please don't wait until October 20th to sign on and and expect your leaves to be picked up that day. It doesn't work that way. Um, so please uh if you can get your permits earlier and I want to remind residents that you can
continue to put your cans out curbside until December 8th. Um, you don't have to have a permit. Uh that will still be going on. Uh and because we don't have enough people walking our neighborhoods right now, New Jersey American Water is also out there, uh they've hired a
company, uh CDM Smith to go house to house, doortodoor, checking for lead lines in the homes. Um, as part of legislation passed in 2021, New Jersey American Water is required to identify the material of utilityowned and
customer-owned water service lines, and they have until 2031 to complete that, but they are in the burrow now. They're going section by section. Uh, the burrow did post the section that they're in right now and which I believe is this area down here um to the summit line.
Um, and they'll be moving throughout the burrow as well. they are they do have ID cards as they're out in the neighborhood. So, um if if they if you don't give them access to your home, you can always call and make an appointment um and they'll come out or you can also
uh take a picture of your line and send it in and they can evaluate it and see if if um it's good to go or not. They knocked on my door. I thought it was the reevaluation guys already. I was like, "Oh my god, these guys are quick." Honestly, it took 10 seconds. The guy
walked in, scratched the pipe, thank you very much. And he left. It was really that simple. I know. Yeah. Um, which then brings us to the Reval people. They are also in town. As I mentioned before, they are deployed burrowwide. So, they're going um they're
going in order of the tax map. Um, that's online. So, pages 1 through 11 uh is right now. And then when they finish those people, they'll move on. Diane in our office had her house done Monday morning bright and early. They were she must have been one of the first ones. Um 10 minutes in and out and they were
done. So, um again, if if you choose not to open your door, you can call them and make an appointment. Um if you totally choose not to have them in your home whatsoever, they will just um assume what's in your house. They're really counting bedrooms, they're counting rooms, they're counting your square
footage. um they they don't care what kind of sink you have, what kind of bathroom you have. They just want to know that you have one. So um to reiterate, Lisa, Wednesday, October 15th, we are having a public information sess session with um professional
appraisers. Uh you can come in and ask any questions or you can certainly reach out to Brian Flynn, our tax assessor, anytime. That's all I have. Thank you. Okay. Uh, at this time we have a public hearing. Anybody wishing to address
council? Yes, Kate. Hey, 31 West Third Street. Um, following up on the great updates that you gave about the storm water committee. Um, I'm here kind of both as a resident from my own property tonight and as a member of the task force. They kind of merge
together, but um, I think a lot of what you touched on is what's been in my head right now. Um, from my property's perspective at 31 West Third Street, burst of work in August. Um, no real kind of formal readout of like what was
observed, assessed, and what we can expect. though when Andy came out to the house he did from Kolier he did say hey once we put something in place I'm going to be able to recalculate exactly the
volume of water that you can handle per hour to kind of tell you where you are. So he even said for instance I can take the six events that you've had over the six years and say all right where you're at now is like in Ida or where you're at now is like a July 14th. So I that
excited me cuz that's what's going to give me the peace of mind heading into another wet season to be like, okay, you know, I I know where I should be now. I know climate is climate, but like a baseline. So really looking for an update or who is the best person to
communicate? Will those updates now come through the storm water committee as an oversight of this work in general? So that's kind of one thing. But then as it bridges into the storm water committee um I think from the resident perspective again great um I think you use the word
invigorating maybe um path forward the questions that are begged immediately are you know how will the sections be divided and prioritized how far will the $200,000 get us what will happen before the freeze during winter after what is the intent of the grant money how might
that get used how will plans be communicated to residents so we can stay informed. Um, and how can most of all, how can we help? How can we be eyes and ears for DPW and be volunteers that put us on the map of a different level of
community organization around these efforts that you all are spearheading? Well, we're going to have a meeting on the 14th. So, 13th 13th, I think I thought it was 14 14th, give or take a few. But anyway,
but I think we're we're all going to get together and decide how it's going to get split up. We already know where the problems are. We've known for years. Mhm. Uh you know, there's some some places
that, you know, get uh habitual. Yeah. But, you know, uh from there, we we're going to take the hot spots and do them first. Mhm. So I think yours is one of them. I know. I'm so grateful for that. I'm
here for myself and for others, but I think you're I told them to take a break. There's always action line request. You emailed all of us. I think we have not come up with a a plan of how to communicate and deal with with your committee, your group. I think that's on our agenda. Obviously,
uh I think if we're going to be maybe after each meeting, we have to have you as a point of contact or somebody to say a readout of what what we discussed, what's happening. I mean, one way is for the mayor here to report on that. U but
speaking with our uh DPW folks, the everybody on the committee, the engineers, I think as Al said, we I pretty sure we've we know where all the problem areas are. you might have more, so we should just cross reference that. Uh, but it's all coming coming soon is
is my only uh comment. Okay. But I think we hear you loud and clear. I think this you have to you guys have to be made aware of what's happening. Well, yeah. And I mean, I'm a planner, so ahead of October 13th, perhaps the task force will hand you a beautiful plan that says this is how the res.
I want to be clear, and I thought I I did make it clear. I know you're anxious, but with DPW and the Army Corps engineers, they're talking longterm things, and we're not even committing to anything.
But for your so much money that we have, so we got to put that money to the best use 100%. And setting the t the resident expectations, I think, is a huge part of being able to usher forward success. I do just want to say though, my issue is,
and I know you all know this, it is not a D issue. It is a missing pipe that wasn't under the ground that was collapsed by. So, and I do think you understand that there are hot spots like that. So I think again just the open line of communication
will be more than half the problem um or solve more than half the problem that we can feel informed um and riding riding this wave along with you. Pun intended. Pun intended. Okay. But but I I will also comment Kate you mentioned how we're going to use the
200,000. I don't want you to feel that that's the only money we have. I think going forward every year during our budget process we have to allocate once we identify these locations how can we tack off each one chip away I will say heading into the freeze it's
my favorite time of the year um but when we come up out of it in March it's my scariest time of year and I know I'm not alone so even that as a priority of and and and scoping the lines the weather doesn't it doesn't matter but but you're right hopefully these areas
are identified and can be attacked before right the spring weather comes. Okay. Thank you guys. This is a long ongoing process. Appreciate the the dialogue. Thank you. Anyone else? Yes. Brian
bench is a killer. Yeah. No questions. All right. Uh Brian Gardner, 25 Milwood Drive. Uh two very quick things. First, a huge congratulations to Councilman Kogan, Councilwoman Biska for the original idea. silver status is huge. The the whole sustainability committee
that just that makes me warm and happy inside. Um my question is uh for Mayor Morgan, your your report out from the meeting with the D and the uh Army Corps. I I for the Payic I get that you you we can't dredge. I get that we can't do machinery in there. Is there any
would we be allowed to do like a community cleanup day or something? No, you're not supposed to be in there. Okay. So So it's not like the machinery. It's it's like literally cuz you had mentioned maybe we could pull some of the big stuff out of there. You do whatever you want. I'm not going to tell you no. Okay.
But you know the big stuff, how you going to do it? These things are these trees are huge. They weigh uh you know they could weigh up to a,000 pounds or more. Oh yeah. I mean I was thinking like you know we get 50 people together a couple of chainsaws you know and then meet
untied after. Ralph made a comment about that, right? Uh Bernardet at the meeting, Ralph said he went in there to do something and got Yeah. They said don't go back in there. So, they didn't want any machinery at all in
there. Now, if they consider I don't know if they consider a chainsaw uh uh machinery or you know, we you'd have to pull them out to be able to cut them up. So, a a few things about about what you're discussing. Um, we did
have the opportunity to have some drone footage taken of a lot of our waterways. Um, unlike other places on the POIC, we're not seeing shopping carts. We're not seeing tires. We're not seeing all of that stuff that as a community we could go in and take out. Um, so what is
left is these very large trees. um you know and at this point that's not what's stopping the flow of water. But when you get to the mouth of the Payic off of um down by uh Ridge View Ridge View and back in there, you can
see the amount of silt that has collected in the mouth and and throughout the um Pay, you know, as far as you can see. Unfortunately, what the Army Corps told us is that once a tree or a blade of grass starts growing out of that silt, we can now no longer take
it out because it has changed the environment. So, that's what we're up against. It's It changed it changed the environment by growing. Yes. Um, you know, so I think Mayor Morgan said before about, you know, why can't we just put it back to how it was, right? Because we all know kind of like
they all have stories from growing up and how, you know, they were, you know, ice skating and all this other stuff out there and now there's just these sand bars and there's there's so much silt that nobody wants to take responsibility for it and you know, we can go in very
selectively and take out very few things, but it doesn't make a meaningful. Correct. It it's not the bang for your buck. So, you know, part of this group um that we met with on Friday is discussing like how how can we how can we move forward with something. Um but
the the process is going to be long and it's going to be arduous and expensive. You know what scares me more is that you get volunteers in there, somebody's going to get hurt and you you don't know what's in that river being be quite honest with you. I mean, we used to boat at down river
here. You you can't even do that anymore. You can pretty much walk across it. But at the end of Salt Brook down by Ridge View, like Bernardet said, it's like a sandbar there. So the water goes down, hits that sandbar, and it pushes
everything back. So I I I got to tell you, personally, I was very disappointed nobody had any real answers. But yeah, what Andy told us that night, you were here. Uh he was 100% correct in everything that he said.
Okay, thank you very much. Really appreciate it. Very helpful information. And unofficially, for years and years, Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts have unofficially gone into all of those waterways because kids like that and we've pulled things out. Okay. So, off the record on the record.
Off the record. On the record. Unofficially. Kids have. Yes, sir. My name is Glenn Meyer. I live at 15 Stan Grove like right right there. I remember uh and I've flooded three times since 2021.
Um and first point though, congratulations on sustainability committee. Thank you. I was on that back in 2019 and I remember the form was huge just to try to get any grant money. So congratulations on that. I guess my one point is uh really with just
communication. You mentioned there's going to be uh hotspots that are identified and all and the real question I have is how do we tell the public? And I have here a message from Al Morgan and NP News. It says we encourage all
residents to view the storm water management engineering presentation now available on website. I have not found it. It's under agendas, council minutes, and there's a link to it right there. Well, I wonder if we could make it a little bit easier for people like me to
find. I always bring it up. If I look at Berkeley Heights or North Planefield where I used to live, on the front page, it says July 14th flood. Or you just say storm water management on the front page. Put the link there instead of
having to dig through multiple layers. Be a whole lot easier. I I can see about putting it on the storm water management page if that would help you. Yeah, if there is such a page there is Yeah, if you go if you're on the homepage, go to community projects and there's there's a it's a project. Oh, it's there.
Yeah, it's one of the projects. All right, I'll check it out. All right. Thanks. If you can't find it, call me and I'll I'll walk you through it. Okay. And I will. Perfect. Anyone else? Yes, Robert. Robert Sherman, 15 Hawthorne Drive. Uh,
first I want to make a note that we should all be acknowledge Doug Sullivan for the excellent work he did on the sustainability committee. And without him, it would not have happened. I don't think anyone else could have filled the role he did. Well, I think we
I mentioned it. Yeah, I know. It was You're absolutely right. It was really incredible effort he put in. Even though there was others on the committee, he really was the glue that kept it going. Okay. And and Robert, I'll just say after getting two nos, he still kept at it. Yes. So,
yes. And there was a lot of points to make up the after the second no. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. So, let me start a few simple things. Uh will the bench by the community the bridge by the community pool be replaced? There was a bench that you could sit down. Yes.
Okay, that's good. My wife will be happy. Also, I like to compliment the town on removing the funny piece of art in the above parking lot. For those wondering, I'm referring to a porta pal that was tipped over last week. It definitely made some people laugh,
but belongs upright. So, that's good. Where is it? Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of funny. So, I took a picture, sent to my kids. Next, it seems there's a safety hazard on the barred road that's south of the soccer
field. There's an abandoned semi-tra with the back door hanging, broken, hanging loose and it's been there for several months. It's a safety hazard and maybe someone should talk to the construction people not to have a open semir.
Okay. And now let's get to downpours. The town has worked on the proposed plan and it's a good step forward mostly and it's however it's mostly related to fixing and cleaning drainage pipes. But the plan ignores the reality downpours.
Downpours cause flooding with or without pipe repair and cleaning. The real question is can our fixed infrastructure handle downpours? Not a simple question. I'm not an engineer. Okay. Well, just before you continue, Robert, the
one thing we didn't mention about our committee, the storm water management committee, apart from cleaning the pipes, it's also to look at areas to identify where can Yes. Where do we have some? Yeah. And you were supposed to contact me about that. Yes. Well, I can only tell you well
what we discuss. Well, the expert on the committee is Andrew Hippolit and his page with Encali engineers throws three pages on storm water projects and other pages on many other topics. He has excellent experience in storm water piping draining such areas of Hillview
and Oakwood parks during the renovation but nothing on flood control on the size of our town. On his website, there's only one entry related to downpours written by another person which referenced a conference related to methods to calculate the water volume
flow that would occur in downpours. The method involves complex assumptions and analysis though the final equation is very straightforward and simple. It's the complicated part is getting that what they call the CN number. We need hydraologists who can estimate the flow
volume rates in our creeks for a given rainfall within one hour. That's how that model works with our existing drainage infrastructure, outfalls, and topography. That will tell us the amount of water entering the creeks and the creek heights. And we need to know how much
rain it will take for flooding to occur. And flooding occurs once that water in the creek gets to the top of the drainage pipes. And that has occurred in many areas. So we need and we what's really important is what can be done to reduce
this risk of flooding in the creek. How can we keep the water in the creek to a lower level? So to me as one of the many flooding victims stretching along Pearl, Shelly, Hawthorne Central, Mu Lane and there's many more areas. The present plan August 12th is a step forward, but
is in my view significantly inadequate unless it takes into concepts of the downpour issue and the high flow rates that occur from downpour and I would gladly work with someone on that because it sounds like mathematical physics
which is partially my background. Okay, thank you for your comments. Thank yeah. Anyone else? No comments. See, you know what? I declare the public comments closed. I need a motion for Oh,
no. I don't I need I need a motion for items 1 through 10. So moved. Second. Roll call, please. Miss Dolan, yes. Miss Blesca, I. Mrs. Mcnite, yes. Mr. Kogan, yes. Mr. Mr. Kaminsky.
I f motion for adjournment. So moved. Second. Second. All in favor? I. No. So be it. Thank you all. Thank you, Lamar. Thank you. Welcome back. Glad you're safe.
I'm not going to