This conference will now be recorded. All right, >> we're going to call the New Richland City Council work session agenda meeting for November 19th to order and discuss the 2026 budget.
All are present. Would anybody like to start with discussion on reviewing the updated Heather. >> Uh, probably [clears throat] a good place to start is wages on PD. I mean,
obviously that number has gone up and up and up and up. >> Budgeted, which expenses [clears throat] under PD line 58 under expenses, but we're at 211,000 at 2026 budget. Just two years ago, we
were 97,000 98,000. a massive increase year to date. We're so even if you put in so say you broke this out and you run it out to end the year in the last two months you had 168,000
for salaries paid out in 2025 the budget of 200,000. So that leaves you with $31,000 in surplus. So that's $31,000 that we should take off of the budget for next year. And that's assuming that we ever hire
another full-time cop, [clears throat] which hasn't been promising since it's been posted for what, five months, zero applicants. So, you take 31,000 off of there. [clears throat] If you end up, you know, that's that goes straight into the general fund
number. We don't need that number to keep going up while we're sitting at 13. 100% ley. So you take that 32,000 $31,300 out of the budget out of the 2026 and then we have 10.86 from what I can tell
in the wages worksheet that's still Tony shown in there salary, >> right? So it's 10. So figure 12% or $12,000 is% We're at nine. We're at single digit
already. >> So um the 2026 amount um I started at step five in my contract and said after 6 months I could go to step six with a successful review. The 2026 amount there is the is
the step six amount for for me after the cost of living adjustment. >> Okay. Okay. >> So that that's I believe that that is correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Because Tony's was higher than that for the total wages. [laughter]
>> So we wouldn't need to change that initial. >> So then the next big thing I noticed on the capex page, we already wrote the check for the radios on ambulance and police 2025 budget. We have $20,000 set
aside for 10, >> right? >> Yeah. Not not even fire. Ambulance radio, >> police radio, >> two mobiles, and four portables. That's paid for already. We don't need that. And back next year, we can put that back in the streets.
>> Yeah. 19,400. So you took that out. You're good. Now the other question I had said earlier, do we know so these insurance numbers is still just a [clears throat] guess? >> Um so what we what we Yeah. Well, yeah,
but what I presented at the council meeting um because Tyler is not going to be taking the insurance. So those numbers that we have on there for me, Brandon, the parent is what those numbers will be. >> Okay. Not here, not on the worksheet.
>> Where can you pop that up? >> Um, so Tony got word about what the increase would be. So what we have on the worksheet for insurance should be really close guesstimate of what we'll be spending on insurance next year with
that increase. Does this include that paid family or paid family leave separate? >> We have to include it >> under insurance. Yes, >> we're going to have to Yeah, >> because that's that 44%
>> but everything he's got every insurance line at least three or four. >> We just don't want to cut it too low, >> right? >> That we hurt ourselves. >> What are you just talking >> on the expenses? So where you got all the insurance, the health insurance.
>> So if you hover over it where he's got the [clears throat] >> he's got the increase in 2026 budget >> and that's that's in mayor not mayor administration >> anywhere >> right [clears throat]
>> there will be an insurance but it won't be there. Well, this one on this page, it says um Anthony Martin is figuring 3% increase. >> Yes. >> I mean, if he's not here, is that going to be his? >> That's
>> Oh, he's not taking >> No, no. This is just for >> this for like pay. That's what that doesn't come in. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> Take time off. This the one I'm looking at is working, >> but I mean insurance is just working,
>> right? I see your point because [clears throat] it always goes up. >> And then if you on the administration line, we also have what three months that we weren't paying there. >> Well, Tony, >> we kind of were
>> not that extent. Not that extent, >> but that that 2025 year to date accounts for >> Yeah. >> So 102,000. So we're not from that. That's another >> Yeah, I know. I have that highlighted
here. Let's talk about that. The biggest changes I saw were like you already mentioned the police and admin and then maint >> maintenance. I was >> Yeah, maintenance. >> Maintenance took a big jump. >> Yeah.
compared to 20. I'm just saying from 25 to 26. >> And I also need to >> the telephone for maintenance is >> I think our telephone is is high as hell as far as
I'm [clears throat] trying to find it. >> $1,200 that per >> like 1,27744. >> Yes. which we budget 2,000 [clears throat] for. [laughter]
>> Now, okay, for maintenance, what is that telephone for? What do we get for the $1,200? Is it a cell phone? >> No. Well, >> some of it gets dispositioned differently. So, there's like we've got
phoning system over here at the water plant. >> Okay. Can we [laughter] a separate bill for that? That's like I think >> but that's for controls. >> That's for the controls and stuff. So yeah, we got the bill from consolidated for that. So part of that goes to that. Um then they have their cell phones,
both the guys and then um like the phone at the shop. >> I'm pretty sure the guys now have hotspots, too. >> Why didn't they have a cell phone hotspot if they got a phone at the shop? >> Because No, that's a landline phone.
>> A landline? >> Yeah. Yeah. I that I don't know. >> I know. Like I'm asking questions now. >> Five blocks from the shop and how fast can you drive to the shop? >> What if they're out of town getting parts or something? >> What's happened?
>> You did it a long time ago. [laughter] >> I'm just thinking of ways to pull stuff down. [clears throat] >> Just ignorance calling. Um do do they have radios that we reach out to them? just phone
>> phone. >> Does that have that landline have controls that it runs like here or not? You know >> that I don't know. >> It's just a phone to be there. >> Is it a line though because we need it for the internet for their computers out there more than likely is what it is and not it's not for
>> purposes to call people but for the computers it could be. >> That's my guess on it. >> Yeah, I'm thinking that too. And >> that [ __ ] don't go down anymore. >> What the hell did we spend at St. Olaf
Lake this year? That we got $41.5,000. >> Wasn't that doing the um the building? You know, the stainless steel and the concession stand and all that. >> Um and I do think some of that um >> is some of that the trees? >> No, we haven't done the trees yet. Um,
when we got that whole stuff done by Schwicks, I want to say they had to fix something on the roof out there. >> They did. They did. >> Um, so that's where some of the extra funds would come from there, too. >> But they also had to upgrade part of the um concession stand because of water
damage. I believe there was something like that. >> And they had to meet standards that they were going to use. I >> don't remember this. >> I don't neither do I. >> This might have been before. >> Yeah. But [clears throat] I do know Schwikers did their full bit this year and um so that's another
>> paid this year. >> Did they add sand? >> Yeah. Did they do it then last year removal too? >> The bill. I don't remember. >> Do you guys remember putting sand and doing weed removal out there this year? >> I don't think they did weed removal
because the machine wasn't available. >> Yeah, the machine wasn't available. >> Yeah. Is there a way to find out where that 30,000? >> But I Oh, that 30,000 >> 30,948. I We talked about this earlier.
>> Isn't that There was You put that there. Tony said to put it there being you were >> Oh, the 30,000. Okay, that's what it is. Um the payment for it'll get reimbursed back. It's the the whole insurance with the playground. And I was told to
put it into parks. That's what it is. Thank you. Yes. See, we just had to talk it out. Um because so um 22 whatever of that was the park equipment and then we had additional fees for the truck is $750 for them to bring the park
equipment down and then the disposable fees of the old park equipment. That was hefty. I that I want to say that was like a $5,000 bill. >> So we're saying this 30,000 will get put back once we get the money from the insurance. >> From the insurance. >> So we haven't gotten that yet.
>> No, not that I know of. at least 22,000 >> will come back from insurance for that part. >> Okay. >> Equipment. So >> like 22 179 something like that. >> And the additional was just the
additional fees that they didn't cover. >> Yep. >> That is coming out of the capital under the parks. >> Yeah. Okay. And >> that's what I was told because it was like a unexpected expense thing. So I was told to just put it under it that way.
is what do we have for lights out at the park out there? Is that just the street lights? The 4,000 that we budget for lights and >> Yes, that's through the steel county co-op. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's just the lights that's
like at the parking lot and stuff. And >> I do know there's security cameras on there. So, I suppose it covers that too and stuff. >> Going to still in the parks area. the wages for salary and part-time. Is that
just all lifeguards? Was that that budget where we can take that out because we're not doing that anymore? >> We did. Oh, no. I'm sorry. >> And then >> we talked about it. >> So, and that that's where we were taking some of the funds from this year for the tree stuff because it was already
allocated for that. But yeah, we can take that out of the budget next year because >> that's half% >> and that that's including like your where we break it down for social security and Medicare. They can do all of that. Correct. >> Correct. >> Yeah. But that 7,000 for the tree removal is going to come out of this
budget. So that 57 has to stay there. >> We got 57 for this year. >> Yeah. >> Well, if we got 26 budgeted for 57 >> if we're going to spend $7,000 to remove them trees. Yeah. >> 2025. >> It'll get paid. Get paid this year.
Try to [clears throat] keep Yeah. >> So if my the permits and memberships in there is that for this the girl like the lifeguards permits and memberships as well. >> Yeah. >> A big schooling of the CPR. >> Yeah. That's what I'm kind of feeling
>> cuz I'm coming up with like about $9,400 just there that we can cut. >> That's almost a percent like you said. >> Yep. Um, >> not saying in the future that we might not be able to come up with a solution and revitalize the program, but in the
next couple years, I don't see it. So, >> I don't see it ever. >> No, >> unfortunately. >> Lifeguarding is becoming less and less I feel like unfortunately >> we can't compete with the pools and stuff. >> So, no, >> unless we got a pool here, there's probably not
>> and it's not they don't make money. The thing is that we can't get lifeguards for our pool. Like so I'm on the pool board at Adams and we are on the edge of shutting down for 100 different reasons. >> It would have to be a lot of park. >> Well, we're talking we're talking before
the splash pad and that that is a draw for a community, but that's a another conversation. >> Okay. at Legion Fields. We went so far we're at $3,400 for operating expenses. What was additional that we because we budget
1,500. >> Um, so I'm sure it got put under there because I was told to put it under there, but a lot of the extra expenses out there was um the repainting, the crow's nest. Okay. >> The roof, all that. The
>> ladder ladder. I wasn't sure where that all got put in if it was under repairs and maintenance because there's that 5200 there too because we're over >> on that one. >> Yeah, like I said, a lot of that stuff I asked. >> Do any of you recall this coming year of
any projects they want to do out there? The only thing that we ever talked about was trying to get like that um um box for like the softball field, but we were just cuz Tony had claimed that he had put funds away for the electronics
and stuff for that. >> Um and then possibly talked to the wood shop to create that for an announcer for the softball games and stuff. But I mean that hasn't been talked about for a while because I think between the city, the school and quads and everybody needs
to be on the same page and figure out who should be paying for what. So I think that is something that we need to explore in the future and have some kind of meeting on as well. [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> Agenda item. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, I've had a lot of
people ask. I think it's a good idea. >> I meant an agenda item so we remember it. in February or March. >> So this year we did not put any gravel or crushed rock out there at all. >> I know where field parking lot
>> cuz Eric had went and gotten a quote to see what it would cost us to pay that. >> Remember that? >> I Yeah, it was expensive though. >> So yeah, but I guess I do not remember anything being like this year with the
flooding and stuff. It just never happened. Even with paving it flooding all the time, after a time that's gonna become a nightmare. >> Yeah. Get underneath the tire. >> I didn't breathe. >> Huh.
[cough and clears throat] Do you know is that something he's thinking like every other year that we would have to redo gravel stuff? I'm just trying to think do we have to keep 2,000 for that? I'm It's just a thought how what the quality of it is.
probably just thinking >> I could be very wrong in Eric's thought process being we didn't touch it this year he's going to want to grapple it this next summer >> I'm just thinking >> a lot of options by the end of the season >> I'm just thinking longevity is it every
other year that we can budget that or is that something >> I mean we might be able to get away with it but I think a lot of that's going to depend on >> No I know >> future >> I I would try to yeah Keep that in there. I'm willing to bet he's going to want to do that. >> What kind of insurance we have out?
>> What kind of insurance we got out there? >> Oh, at the fields. >> Yeah. Same as we got for the whole state >> for the city, everything. >> Yeah. Through the >> That's just That's just our portion the Legion Fields portion of our whole policy.
>> It gets broken down by the area. Yep. >> That just got paid a couple weeks ago. So, >> and now the baseball association improvements. Why are we paying for them? >> See, that's another good that's why I think something like that needs to get set up.
>> I think I think we agreed with Quad Cities to do certain things, you know, 3 four years ago and I think we should just revisit it and find out. >> Absolutely. So, we can Yeah, >> cuz look at the difference in price. I don't know. Well, we're only 1367 right
now. >> That's where it'll stay this year. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't think it'll change. And we're going to 3,000. >> That's what it's looks like it's been the last couple years. >> It's been like 2,800. This year it's been less. >> Yeah. The first year that's been below
2500. >> Yeah. >> Should we drag it down to 2500? >> No. >> No. >> We ain't saving nothing. >> Then we have to peel out of our own checkbook. >> [laughter]
>> Like you said, we need to revisit it for the for the ne the next year's budget >> 27. >> Yeah. >> Just to see what I don't even know what the hell it's all about. I just don't think I've ever made a payment towards that code since I've been
>> because see I believe Quad City and the school do certain things to that field in lie of paying for anything and that's why >> the lines and all that stuff >> some of that stuff. Yeah. >> And then they paid for certain other
things too I think gas for the or Yeah. pick up all >> but when we revisit I think we should revisit it with the not being selfish or not being bullyish
but just bring up the topic of saying um we're going to start charging what do you think of that >> I don't know >> and then they wouldn't have to do anything maybe we can do it cheaper than what we're paying this $3,000 for
>> I mean it's at least we're talking about around. >> I saw that. I don't know. >> Where the hell did they come in from? >> I couldn't tell. >> I couldn't I just saw was moving. >> Thanks for the honey, by the way. >> You're welcome.
>> Good stuff. >> Mayor, >> the last jug I bought I only got about that much left in it. So, it was a good time. >> Well, good. It was great timing. >> Heck yeah. Every time I get a little tickle in my throat, I go to that. Takes it right away.
>> You going to talk like this? >> So, is there a way to shave some of that money that we didn't pay out to administrator as well? >> Are you talking wages? So, >> but I mean, is that where in the Excel spreadsheet? >> Expenses.
>> Oh, expenses. >> Oh, you're up on top for you. >> That the very first one. >> Yep. It's right here. [clears throat] >> No, >> we're kind of all over the place. [laughter] >> Back up to the administer here.
>> Yep. [clears throat] All right. Should be a Can you take 20 off of that? >> No. >> Six grand. >> Which column are you looking at? The change column or the budget column?
>> I'm looking at the budget >> 102. If you want to write that out for more that comes out to 152,000 >> and that is that calculating an in her increase and his
>> um so we're basically watch >> that doesn't get >> so we're down to legion that couple. >> Jody, do you have anything that you >> Yes, I do have a couple things that kind of stuck out to me.
>> Uh, you want to go expenses or revenue or let's both >> whatever you whatever you tell us what you're driving here. I was looking at uh again the nursing home estimated uh revenue and expenses of 195,000.
We're not even anywhere close to that. >> Yeah. >> Oh, with that ECPN payments, >> but it comes out to zero. I mean, it's 195 and 195. So, you change it, it doesn't get you anything. >> Yeah. >> But I want to get it more realistic. >> Sure. Yeah.
>> I understand. By changing it, it doesn't change. It just I mean >> yeah agree. >> Yeah. No way that it's even close to 195,000. >> No. Yeah. Where that number
>> on your expenses >> revenues >> both. It's under medical >> under revenue under 80. >> Yeah. One just came in for >> that one that's kind of a glaring thing. And the other one I noticed was the
ambulance. >> That was one I remember. >> Yeah, I remember that. >> Is that up to date with the revenue one on the ambulance? >> It is. Yes. >> Um >> that'd be low. >> So I did speak.
You guys aren't going to like my answer on this. Most communities that dealt with that company, >> the one we got rid of or the one we have, >> the one that they got rid of. >> Okay. >> Are really eating it. It's going to be
just a big loss. Um I think Tony said Blooming is looking at like a $190,000 loss. >> Because how can you go after that company? What do we >> I don't know. I don't know what the scoop is. Um >> get our city attorney involved in that.
That's a lot of It's really weird and and that's what I was going to ask you guys um because that would be extra fees, but I mean if we wanted to, we can involve Jason and see if he thinks that there's anywhere that they can get on
that because we've got a lot of funds sitting out there that could be collected. I guess >> this new company, it's been great. They're bringing it. It's continually coming in. I'm getting stuff in the mail on online payments. It's coming. So, they're doing amazing.
Um, so >> with the old company, were they just not submitting the claim? So, now it's past the time frame. So, they >> I think so. >> So, insurance companies are saying you didn't submit it by the deadline, so you're out your money. >> I think we should find out for sure.
>> That's entirely up to you guys. I don't know if Jason can do much, but I can definitely inquire with him about it. >> 110 grand. I think it's worth it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. at least a couple phone calls and then if that not spend some money to get the rest of the money >> I mean if anything he can work with Beth
>> better than nothing >> at our new one and coordinate with them too and >> what does the new company say about it? Do they say anything about >> the old company >> about the old company? >> Oh, they've hurt there's so much. It's
it's bad. Yeah, it's really bad. But there's no way that they can because I know Tony had mentioned before about them maybe being able to help us recover some of this money. The new company >> Beth did email me.
>> Look on here. >> I understand a number of runs have been down because of staffing, right? The crew >> has been trouble getting crews. So, you know, >> which our numbers would be down, but >> right. So, >> you can't look in your crystal ball and say, "Well, how many runs are we going
to have next year?" Well, we don't know that. You know, >> how many how many people are going to get sick and need the service? >> She did ask me, well, there's this place called Lifeline um collections um
and they are a debt collection service. So glad that we circled to this because I did forget to tell her cuz um Sunb did not respond back to her. So I said, "I'm just going to take the seat on this. Go for it." Um >> that's convenient.
>> And this company will start trying to collect the debts, too. >> Is that collecting it from the patient or from the actual insurance? >> So that I'm not sure. I would have to look at these forms. It's not fair to the patients if we didn't submit if they
didn't get it submitted in time, >> right, >> for that to collect for them. I feel like taxpayers might be a little upset with that and say, "Well, you have to submit it for me. I can't." So, that would be a clarification. I would like to see if it's going after
the patient or if it's going after the insurance company to process those claims. If it's a collections agent, I'm guessing it's the patients. probably and I >> I don't know what your guys's thoughts on that are, but I really don't want to
have >> Right. >> I mean, I understand our budget and our bottom line as well. However, if we were kind of somewhat at fault having a company that was faulty on >> submitting these claims.
>> Yeah, I agree with that. somewhat at fault. But I also got to say that a customer cannot expect to not pay >> a service. >> Yeah, a service. There we go. >> So, I will put that on my list tomorrow to double check with her. But, um,
>> tell her to go for it if they're like going for the company instead and everything. And >> I think your [clears throat] guys's thoughts on that. >> I think so. >> Let's get some clarification on it, right before we decide. what's going on. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> What about police fines? How are we negative? [laughter] >> That's what I had done. >> Um I'm sure the one person that gets fined all the time is not paying their fines. >> Yeah. >> So that number was like
good. >> I got to look at this. [laughter] Yeah, I saw that. >> Well, then also have to ask, >> why the hell pull them over? >> If they're doing [laughter] bookkeeping that says that, okay, we say this person was fined. Until you have the money, you shouldn't put that figure into the
books. If you're saying I'm finding you, I'm putting that figure in your books. And when they don't find all of a sudden, like you said, you're minus. >> Where do you see police? >> Revenue. I'm looking at >> line 38. >> That's just the expenses. Oh,
>> it's up here. >> Sorry. >> 181160. >> We're supposed to budgeting 8 grand. [laughter] >> When I talked to him in June, he literally said that they had brought in 12 grand in fines year to date.
>> Is this a maybe a part of that conversation? I don't >> look at how that's across from 23 24. >> It very well could be >> but it's at least allocated putative
>> maybe it's $18,160 is what it >> might be something like that. Yeah, cuz at least 500 bucks recon. >> I think we all know our PD has been a little more active than it was in some years. [snorts] >> We will look at that one because that's
got to be an error. >> How about the golf cart operator permits? They're $10 for a permit, right? How can you have $695 and where's that other $5? >> Half of you. [laughter] >> Well, I just
as old as you, Jeffy, to get a discount. >> I turned 70 now, so I don't have to be on jury duty anymore. [laughter] >> I do have something. So, it says local government aid. Every year we've been like 454, 503, 504. We're at 252.
>> Are you still on? >> We haven't got the other. >> We haven't got the other half. >> That's in December, I believe. >> Yeah. Okay. >> No, I I figured it was something like that. >> Twice. >> Just this is off note on that. I sent a little email to Jean Dornick to ask how
we could get our local government aid um bumped up. And he said, "You have to there's there's it's a convoluted thing. It's a >> formula sales tax convoluted way to ask for it, too. >> [laughter] >> formula.
>> I haven't answered him back on that yet, but I'm gonna ask him. How do you >> If you don't ask, you don't get it. >> I met him today. I could probably [laughter] >> I grew up say contact Department of Revenue. That's probably where it comes from. Mhm.
>> What other general revenue >> number 38 >> the other? >> It's only five next year. >> I think it's always budgeted five, but why is it always? >> It's look at 24 jumped up too.
>> What is it? >> I don't know. >> So the five zeros in there. Yeah, that's just general. So >> 33 620s. >> Um sometimes if we get an odd donation that
we don't know about or different um probably like I think when we sold the car this year. >> Oh thrown under there too. >> That would make sense. >> That would make sense. >> Yeah. Usually stuff the stuff that we
don't know that's ever coming would usually go under there. >> Wonder what's what's under special assessments though because we got 90 9,900 in that one and it's usually >> I'm sure that's with the street project. >> Oh, that dollar amount. Yep, you're
right. >> The change orders. Yeah. I'm kind of concerned that we don't we took away our street, you know, overlay and uh >> what was it last year? >> 20 grand. No, 30.
>> I think we got funds taken away last year, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, why couldn't we move that? So if we're at essentially 108 just on that police budget, take that capital line, we already paid for
those radios, put that 194 back in the streets. >> But do we want to keep that there without doing anything? Do we want to keep that money in that department budget though for um updated
equipment for technology >> and not do anything with those? >> No, I mean we got to do something with too. I'm just I'm just trying to throw ideas out here because we >> Yeah, but I mean specifically right now just as it's written that shows as radio >> I think I got that note. Is it under tax
levy? I have a note. Um, when Tenise and I were talking, is it under tax levy or maybe capital fund request? Sorry. >> Um, >> five from portables, move to squad and
give up the rest maintenance. So >> radios department. >> Okay, thank you. [clears throat] >> Will 5,000 from the portables give to maintenance? Yes, because we were using
the funds from this year for it. So, getting 4,400 to maintenance and move the five to squad because of the condition of the squad. >> Four portables to zero.
>> Okay. Or four. >> So, if I were to put the numbers here just for clarity sake. So, squad we going to 15,000. >> [clears throat and cough] >> I'd rather put that to Rose than another squad, >> right? >> But I'm just telling you guys what what she was discussing, her thought process
on it cuz she agrees they need funds back in the streets. >> And then mobile would go away and portable would go out to 4,400. >> Is that what >> No, no. Mobile would stay at five >> and then the four portables would be
zeroed out and 4,400 the 4,400 rest of that. would go to streets. I know it's sound a lot, but this is was our thought process after that one meeting that we all >> even get the piece of equipment dropped off or [laughter] so
>> but I mean she was just she was trying to find her we were getting these radios now [laughter] what she had that was allocated because Tony had that in there thinking it was still that threeyear thing plan through a Zika and they're like no no no >> so you could also take that ambulance
one out too that's fine >> yes >> that's paid for so you could put that up to the same one that night with 4,400 400. >> Yep. >> And then what did we pay for a squad the last time we bought one? >> I don't know. >> Used
13,000. >> So why are we putting 15 grand in [laughter] I think I think somebody said 16. >> Yeah, >> 16 is what sticks in my brain, too. So I'd take that five that you put in this pot. Put that back in the road, too. >> Let's make this 10,000 and bump.
>> Keep that. That's what I would do. Just one person. If a squad costs 16 grand, we put 15 grand in one year. >> Especially when we got 110,000 still available. I think we could take
some money in out of that or you know salaries next year [laughter] >> or just Yeah, [cough] I don't know. If we hired a full-time officer today, when do they start? >> February, >> February, March.
>> Yeah. By time backgrounds. >> And then here's another thing to remember though, just that I don't know what the cost and stuff would be for that. Um, we got to think of if we unfortunately cannot find a full-time police officer, but the county is not
going to cover for free. >> Yep. Right. We need we need to have that conversation. >> We will need to be contracted at some point then. So, I just want you guys to just keep that in the back of your mind. >> But I think that conversation has to come from the council level, not from the chief of police level with Jay.
>> Oh, with Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. I just wanted to remind you guys that he that this was brought up and >> I [clears throat] mean otherwise just it's going to be job preservation >> and nobody's fighting. Nobody's fighting. There's nothing we can do about it and then we'd have no choice.
But >> that's why I was I wanted to throw around how long do we wait with this full-time position and that opened up another part time. >> Do you guys know >> you know I mean >> Joel left in May, April. [clears throat]
>> Yeah, it's been since June we've been looking. >> Yeah, I remember June the last one. >> We got post. >> So we're end of May but he left us. Yeah. >> So half a year already. >> Yeah. >> I mean is this something you guys would want to undertake? maybe offering a a
signing bonus if after the completion of a year or two on the job you get five grand, 10 grand, whatever. Is that is that appealing enough or I'd like to entertain the conversation of do we need another full
>> I think there's a lot of sentiment in the town for that. >> Maybe there is, but I think it's a conversation worth having. >> Yeah. You know, I mean, just looking at the budget in 2023, >> two 205,000. >> That's what the actual is. Then it went
up to 277. Then we budgeted for 339 and we're at 234. >> Yeah. I mean, the budget in two years has gone up >> 100,000 PD. Yeah.
That's how that one position. and over. Remember, there was a bit of over. >> There was some overtime. [clears throat] >> That's the other thing is, I mean, this is going to get off topic, but why are these guys driving around together still after three months? Joe trained in like
it seemed like he rode with Drew for a month. And bye. You're on your own. >> I did ask today. [laughter] >> You guys have been training for three months. >> I didn't know what the process was, so I actually did ask Drew today. Um, and >> we're we're spending double the funds
right now. >> To me, I take it it's more like >> co-pilot. Hey buddy, >> we can't get signed off on stuff until it presents >> like the opportunity presents itself kind of thing. >> So, who who builds that FTO program?
>> Who protocols to sign off on it? >> Who who builds what needs to be signed off? >> I don't know if that's something from the BCA or the county requirement. I'd be curious to know. >> That is a good question. Yeah, >> I didn't realize that. I thought maybe
it was a threemon training period. >> Probably a post thing. I'm thinking >> Yeah, I bet it is. >> Probably a post thing. >> When's the last time you had a conversation with Tana about the full-time job? >> We just did. >> You just did. >> The council meeting she was here
>> about about whether they got >> Yeah. >> Yeah. about what was Well, I think we should have a conversation with her saying when, like you say, when are you going to stop? Where are you saying that? When are you >> Well, I think that conversation needs to happen with us in the county. >> We have to direct her on what
>> on when we're going to >> Would she have any idea of anything in the pipeline still or not that might be coming? >> As of last meeting, there's nothing. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's just what I'm trying to ask. like we weren't forwarding her of some effort she's already got in process by
going to Jay >> no Jay's through her only thing Jay said is that if we weren't actively searching still yeah >> then he would want to start charging us >> that's exactly what paperwork that we got >> but we haven't ever stopped active position [clears throat]
makes sense >> but I would do >> but should we >> I don't you're up to go because >> once you get charged, >> I don't know. >> It's not. It's It's scary. >> It's a lot. >> It's like a whole another police officer's wage and then some because then you get charged for the upkeep of
their vehicle and all that >> or we have to provide a vehicle. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So it it's spendy. >> Makes sense. I mean >> because they can't do it in the law. >> No, they have to get another copper tooth >> at least two. >> That's another thing. >> Yeah. >> So that's why
>> And that's what they can. >> Yeah. Yeah, because they're not exactly got >> Yeah, they don't have >> Yeah. >> Unfortunately, public safety is probably the biggest thing that citizens are worried about. So, we have to >> provide some I mean adequate, I guess.
>> Y >> So, I don't know if when she comes back if you guys want me to have a conversation with her about what we can do to really get it out there and try till the end of the year. >> Yeah. I don't know what Yeah. What what
are we doing currently? Is it just Is it just posted on the website and that's it? >> It's posted on the state >> page of cities. >> League of Minnesota. Yeah. >> Does it get bumped [laughter] on page 23?
>> I mean back in the day. >> Yeah. It's just a it's a >> suggesting that they maybe hire a tank and not is what we call part time. >> No, I mean that's what it was. That's what Joel was hired as part time. We only created that fulltime position
about a year ago. >> Yeah, >> that's right. >> Last was the last meeting. >> That was the last meeting before we got >> and that was a secret coming. >> Part of it was because we were having part-times come in and we kept there for a little bit. We'd get one started but
then they'd leave, >> right? >> And it was costing us more money. >> Yeah. >> But when you paid him full time, he left. I know >> didn't solve the problem. I mean, >> but it came it comes down to money. Yeah. >> I mean, it was a a great thought. >> It's a lateral move of looking out for
your own self, >> but a small town police department is never going to be >> here. So, here I didn't see all the lead Minnesota cities, but it could potentially be posted again just for redou.
I'd say if you guys are good with it, let's give it till the end of the year and then really discuss what to do at that point. That gives six months and we can put it out there some more and see. >> Okay. >> I mean, that's just my opinion obviously.
>> I think so. That's a good idea. >> We got any other places? So, have we done any whittling down so far? >> Well, lifeguards was 9,400 for all the line items there. If we take
that out, is that something that we want to try to just allocate back to the street or just take it out? is weren't looking at not having as much overlays. >> Well, we need >> I know that could help.
>> Well, yeah, because there's an overlay budget and um >> instead of just taking that $9,000 out, you said put it somewhere else. So with those radios, what did we end up at? 15 >> 149, right?
>> 149 15. >> Yeah. >> 144. >> 144. >> How about the ambulance? The the run pay is we're budgeted for next year for 70,000 and we're only at 493 right now.
Uh two years prior we were 46 and 44. >> What line item George? >> It's uh expenses line number. What is it? What number you looking at? It's under ambulance like the third one down one. >> Oh the
>> other pay. That's what that >> Yeah, that's their addition. That's where they get like the $35, >> right? That's their other pay. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah. We matched 23 and 24. We get back down to >> that help keep the staff. That was Sarah's
biggest thing. >> We took 40,000 out of there. >> Yeah. >> But we haven't even touched near that 70,000. >> Right. >> We're budgeting 70,000 and right now we're at 49. >> Oh yeah. Um I mean we could drop that down to
>> 60 at least. >> 1000. That's the kind of stuff we got to be looking at. >> And that's been the trend the last few years. >> Yeah. >> It hasn't been >> Yeah. The >> after 23. It hasn't been anything. It hasn't been >> 23 was 46,44
for 24. >> Yeah. >> And what's nice with that is North Memorial covers so many hours and we've never hit that threshold. No. >> So >> um I don't think that's a bad idea. >> So take 10 out of there, >> I would say.
>> Well, no. Then if you're doing something like that, go look at 101 with medical supplies. We're budgeting 16 and we've only used eight and we use nine and 24 and well 18 and 23. >> But if we're not getting as many runs, we're not spending as much for supplies.
>> I would hate to take too much away from >> I understand. >> You don't know that kind of thing. such a variable >> especially if they get >> I hate for them to come to my house and not you know >> we have one big trauma in town [clears throat] >> we have intercepts I mean you don't know
what how many times we need to call north for >> none of these amounts are set in stone we have money we have reserves you know >> that's what I was asking about what that reserve number is it's like 500 grand isn't it that's in the reserve >> but auditors require us to keep so much of
>> so much of that and we got to remember um what was it like 80,000 actually belongs to ambulance >> out of that reserves >> and um >> fire department. >> I wrote it down. >> What if we just took it down to 12,000 instead of 16? >> Um there you go.
>> And then there was like 40 something,000 that's actually fire department >> cuz see the last two years right now. >> Yeah, that's basically their own money, >> right? This is all just general fun stuff. But, you know, anything that we
budget over goes into that reserve as well. So, that's where I was coming that 31,000 [clears throat] number. >> And then also, if you read it on, look at look at schooling. We're putting $6,000 and they only spent a,000. We only spent $1,100 before. >> That's just, >> but if they start getting more
>> people got to pay them EMTs and you look at it, I think it's every other year they have to renew. So this >> for every three or two >> every two or three years
>> I can't remember what it >> schooling probably that we got like eight >> guys are you probably actually budget that higher for schooling >> and the computer expense is for the billing company isn't it
>> no is the computer expense on the ambulance for this billing company >> maybe their computer [ __ ] there's computer. >> Professional services. >> Yeah, but Jesus Christ. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah, professional services is the billing company. Um, computer expense
>> six grand. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I'm one line off. >> Yeah, >> you're looking at schooling. >> They're 1500ish dollars off of that. >> I mean, >> didn't we just buy it? >> You can maybe take a grand away. >> Okay. >> What is the contract fees? because we
only spent 26460 there and we budget 3500. >> Yeah, that's >> it's right >> that's right above schooling. >> It's right above schooling. Yeah, >> I see. >> It hasn't been above 1320. >> Yeah. >> Don't we have a contract like medical
director? >> This might be too with like EMS and stuff too the new company. >> Okay. because when obviously we weren't since that company knew that they screwed up, we weren't getting invoices or nothing from them either to pay them.
>> Um, so but I feel like that would have been under professional services. >> That isn't South Central, is it? That Mark guy that helps >> the ambulance. That isn't anything to do
with that. >> Executive director. >> All I remember is it name, >> but it was South Central, wasn't it? >> More woodland. >> South Central Ambulance. No, not ambulance. I can't remember. >> No.
>> Oh, and you know what? Um, like renewals for their um >> Well, no. They got their membership. Oh, so it I probably took it uh one of their renewals I probably took out of contract
fees instead of membership fees. >> I mean, I see our insurance write offs. We budget 45,000 and we've been 55 and 90 the last two years. So, we've been losing money that way. >> Yeah. >> Well, we've had budget surpluses the
last two years. >> Correct. So we've actually we're going to have another one if we don't do something with that money. We haven't paid out salary [cough and clears throat] [laughter] >> with the tax rate keeps going up. >> Yeah. Surpluses and surpluses. Surpluses.
>> Yeah. >> So >> that's why I think you take that that police budget and you take out what they're not spending this year into next year. 31 298 6% off the levy right there. [clears throat] >> Otherwise, it's just going to be a
surplus again. [clears throat] Nice to have that question, but it just >> wouldn't what you're just saying now depend upon when we talk to her and Jay and all that stuff. >> No, this is this year.
This year we're budgeted for >> $30 and we're only going to pay out 168. So that's 40 50 $60,000 between the budget is 26
>> 26 I'm just talking I'm talking about 25 31,298 that's going to be a surplus. So instead of putting more money having another surplus I'm saying take that 31,000 off the 26 budget. >> Mhm. >> The 26 budget's only going to have
211,000 if we get a full officer hired. Otherwise we're going to end up with a management class again. So why does that number keep going up when we can't keep hitting it? We're taxing on a budget number that we don't hit. We in all likelihood won't hit. >> Is anybody taking care of these numbers
so we can plug them into that sheet so that we know by the time we're done tonight what we're going to have or is that what you're doing there? I'm I'm taking notes and that's that way we're not changing things before we solidify. >> And this is recorded so we'll >> listen back plenty of times.
>> So >> I see maintenance they were at 226 and 23 214 and 24 on their expenses. Uh we budgeted them for 255. We're currently at 186, but we're going to
give them an extra 23,000 next year. So, >> and a bunch of that goes into salaries, too. >> In five years. I mean, in five years, in one year, >> I mean, that's there's a lot of money there, too. >> So, Braden hits insurance on >> Yeah. So, that's going to be part of
>> expense. So, that's going to be part of the reason why you're budgeting higher in wages. >> Yep. >> Under full-time. Is part of that is that number coming because we have to put that money towards that ditch agreement with this county.
>> Oh yeah. >> Where did that come from? >> Well, this just put this is just wages. >> Which one are you on? >> He was just talking 173. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> So figure you got two months left. So
82 398. >> Yeah. So you're going to come right in. Wages wages will end up at 95. [snorts] And then probably that 10 grand is >> probably >> Jeez.
>> Yep. It's going up for everyone everywhere. So to have a a better visual of it. [snorts] >> Look at the 185 tree expenses. There's all these or no is this not nothing to
do with saying oh this is trees around town >> then I don't think I'll look at it >> but they're good budgeting 300 >> next year we never even hit it. >> Um I mean yeah I guess I wouldn't touch that because we don't know for sure if
we will get that trade grant that Matt Harrington's working on. If we do then yes we will have a surplus of that. [cough and clears throat] Right. >> And also, wasn't they looking at some for some things for some diseases that are coming around shortly here? >> Ash, not ash, but there was another >> there's another one or something like
that. >> Okay, I won't go there. Give me the reasoning behind 194 4,000 for lawnmower maintenance equipment. They aren't buying anything, are they? >> I think that >> they're fixing it all the time.
>> Yeah, but we just bought new ones. They're fixing it all the time with all the rain and everything. >> That thing has been beaten up so bad this summer. >> Fix that under warranty, shouldn't they? >> No, >> that's just routine maintenance and wear and tear. >> I know. I asked the same question with
all the rain and stuff. >> Look at the pickup maintenance. Holy moly. Really the differences between budgeted [clears throat] and you budgeting 5,000 and they only had68 so far this year and last year was 145. >> Might change come snowfall.
>> Are we talking like the pickup truck maintenance? >> We were trying something. >> Oh no. >> Josh unplugged the [laughter] over here. >> [snorts] >> putting away money for to buy a new
truck >> to buy to go towards a new truck. >> Yeah. >> 12,000 truck. >> I've never seen you there. Well, a little bit off. Oh, 20,000. You're right. Sorry, I was wrong.
>> When you got married, some All the bells and whistles of >> true understand it's going to be 20 grand. >> Excuse me. [clears throat] >> What about those guys?
>> I drove around. >> I want to know your dad get anything done. >> They go my dad goes next week. >> Oh this coming. >> I thought it was this last week. Oh, what the hell? My god.
Under maintenance, we [snorts] have an Where did I just see it? Oh, no. I'm sorry. Under ambulance, there is a line that says repairs and maintenance supplies, but we have not used anything this year. And it's usually like 1,800,500
and we budget 4,000. Do we know what that line item for? Hang on. >> I don't want to say it's for the actual ambulance. >> It's going to be under expenses.
>> This one's off too. >> What line is it? >> I'm getting there. >> I don't like you to talk about that. I just love it. >> Lot 102 on the Excel spreadsheet, but they've used nothing and I know
they've they've done repairs. So, I'm just trying to figure out what where did we >> Well, that would just be That's not for any of the vehicles. >> Just their own Okay.
>> Maintenance supplies for >> their room, >> anything like that. >> So that's just for their room area. We give them 4,000 for stuff in their >> area. It's just stuff that comes up. Like you can fix the door here. >> I was just curious. I didn't know. We
haven't used it, so I didn't know what it was. >> That could be any that one would go to. >> Got it. Not just the roof, but anything at the city, I imagine. >> What if we cut that 4,000 in half? Still got some question because each one was 18 and one was 15.
>> I just think you were took a small penis. We're looking at $2,000 lines on. >> Yeah, but they add up. >> They do, but 32,000 adds up pretty quick, too. [laughter] Might put us at 10.86 by it. So,
>> are we done talking about that line? >> Which one? What? >> Just talk. >> Yeah, that's fine. I was just asking >> line 214. Expenses for maintenance. It's utilities and electric. How come we've only spent $124 this year
and we budgeted 75 and we're going to budget 75 again? And when we had 15 and 23 and 6, and 24, those numbers are weak. They are varies too just hearing from the years.
>> Um, so whenever I I'll just tell you whenever I get these bills, I put them in a spreadsheet that was made for me and it splits it all up by which department and how much and that's how it goes in. >> So I don't know if that one is for one
of the buildings that doesn't use a lot of >> that's a lot. I mean that's $7,500 when only spent 124. Um, but I mean there which I could probably actually go and retrieve the invoice through Minnesota
Energy every month for one of the buildings that's $19. It could be that building under there and it gets put under that code. >> Does anybody want to cut that? Not cut it completely. >> I would look at the other00
XL are increasing their prices too. >> Yeah. Well, and it's not be Minnesota Energy anymore. They got bought out by something else. But >> yeah, we got notices both electric and everything. >> Okay, let's keep walking down.
[clears throat] >> What's miscellaneous? 219 in maintenance. >> Random. Okay. You got anything else, Jody? >> Not off the top of my head or the bottom of my head for that
matter. [snorts] And our library is just basically running it for keeping it warm and turning the lights on. >> And we're basically down to the bottom now. on that. Is the garbage way down there? Is that
everything total? The is $68,000. Uh 508 line item. >> I'm thinking it almost has to be. >> That's got to be our contract. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz our bill right now is like 12,000 a month. Why isn't there anything in Cedar Point
housing? >> Because we pay whatchamacallit, >> but I mean I would think there would be some cost in there for van can't remember the name of the company that runs Cedar Point >> Lloyd Management. >> Yeah, Lloyd Management. >> Wouldn't there be a cost to them in
there? >> That comes out of the EDA fund. >> Okay. EDA Got a line item >> $415. >> No, that's a whole separate. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It wouldn't be $12,000. It'd be
more than that, I would think. >> Professional services. That's got to be some sort of contract. >> Where do you see that? >> 398. >> Oh, yeah. That's >> insurance fix up grant. That's all.
>> Oh yeah. Where that comes from? Who does our um maintenance on our trucks? like the pickup. >> John White side. >> Whit side John >> White does. >> Okay. >> I went to Ike and he said the only thing he said about it is he did a tire repair
for us sometime in July. >> Cuz I was just going to say what have we spent for repairs on the truck versus pushing it out another two years maybe and not put that $20,000 out there.
If I recall Eric saying he didn't know if it would make >> Yeah. >> that a new one's going to need to be purchased. >> A new or just a different one. >> Well, definitely you want to buy >> better than what they got right now. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We do a lot of stuff on them. There's some there's some element at this point get what you can >> out of it for is >> true. But also, if you buy a brand new one in the next few years, [ __ ] you drop probably a quarter of that price in value.
>> Oh, and we even talked about No, we've never even purchased brand new. Obviously, we do use >> Okay. >> Yeah. There's no sense with the idle time on those. >> And we already talked about those four and two mobile and portable radios, correct? Mhm.
>> That money is going to go out of there because they're already paid for. >> Remember, we were kind of talking about it re >> removing moving and giving some to the overlay. >> Yeah. >> 14,000. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> If you look behind you, he's got it kind of broken up on the side. What we talked
about moving >> got you. So, why is that 5000 still there for the two mobile radios? >> Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Because that five was supposed to go to the squad if you read it correctly. >> Did I misunderstand? >> I don't. >> No. Five from the portables because it
was at 9,400 from >> buy from portables move to squad and then give the rest of that that 4,400 to streets. >> So I I don't remember why she wanted to keep the five in mobile radios. We can definitely ask her. >> Um but she to get the funds out of the
portable radios. She she had put a request I think for what they needed, but there's there are some that need to be for to be replaced later on, but she can get by with four, >> right? It was the ones in the vehicle, right? But she said they didn't need to be purchased right now at the last
meeting. >> Something about reprogramming, wasn't it? >> I don't know. I was >> check it out. Ask her what she what she actually actually needs and what she has. >> That was on that night. We don't know.
>> Yeah. >> So, what does that pull us down to then if we get preliminary shift? Excuse my language. >> Well, nothing really. >> Nothing. We haven't done anything. We're just We're just shifting money around. >> We're shifting money around.
But doesn't some of these take the >> The only thing we've taken out would be the lifeguards. >> The 9400%. >> Jody, you had mentioned the nursing home that 195 >> Y >> of lowering that down. >> Say Bob.
>> Yeah. But it's it's still money. >> It's money in money out. Yeah, I know. >> Doesn't change. >> I know. >> You can put it at zero and zero. It's terrible. >> There's absolutely nothing. >> No, I know. Didn't Bob say >> it's way too high? Same what J said. It should be in line in the budget, but it
doesn't save us any money. >> Yeah. >> And it shouldn't be true figures. >> It should. >> It should be true as we can. >> I agree. But >> I mean, I'm going to keep going back to that police line. >> It's $32,000 that they literally can't
use because we don't have the staff to do it. So, it's just a surplus to get. So, why would we not use that surplus? Take it out of next year's budget. And that's for the wages for the full-time officer. Correct. That or what? >> Right. >> Just wages in general. Wages full time. Y.
>> Well, can you write that down so that we can have that? >> So, if you take that 211 line >> budget, >> you take that 211 line and line 58 the 26 budget. Take 31,298 off of it. You got 10.86% for the total
le total. a levy. >> Yeah. >> So, we're like almost two 2% >> and we're not taking money from money that they literally couldn't use. >> So, instead of putting that into a surplus, keeping the levy higher than it
should be and putting more money in our coffers, instead of doing that, use that money, that 32 grand that they couldn't pay, probably are going to be able to pay next year. And if they do, then we have the general fund to back it up. But we're still not taxing based on the budget number we
can't hit with the staff we have. >> Do we really only budget six grand for part-time wages for >> Yeah, it's like 100 hours. >> 200 hours. 200 hours. >> It's not much. >> Little over 200. And that's all pays her wages for one.
>> I was emailing back and forth with her a little bit and I was just wondering she doesn't know how much. Is it Jacob? Is that his name? >> Joe. >> Joe. Joe Johnson. Um, you could take 18 hours a month or you
could take 72 hours a month, which still it's not a dent full-time officer, >> right? Well, I think it's something we should look at and have it as a >> I don't see anything else. I mean >> on the sheet so we can make a decision
about it. So that takes us on 2% [clears throat] right >> 2459 >> that's 10 >> that's 10 then >> 1086 from 1345 then you take that half a% off [clears throat]
and two >> I'm sure you get it under 10 >> you're off take 10,000 out of that other pay that we haven't that's >> that's 70,000 that we were talking about earlier. here that we 46 44
>> ambulance >> ambulance expenses I think is >> yeah take 10 off of that now you're under 10 >> number starts with a >> right there and again it's not taking money away >> right >> we're not cutting their budget we're taking money that they didn't use and
allocated so we're not putting it into the general fund that we already have taxed as surplus to the city over the last two Is that other pay you said 94? >> Yeah, I don't have the number beside mine, but yeah. >> We move that 70 down to 60.
>> You're like nine. >> We were talking about that earlier. >> 97. >> And that's not even We're not even counting the lifeguard bit, right? Or did you count the lifeguard? >> I figured that six. >> Good. >> Six grand is a half a percent. 75. It
was 94. So, it's a little more than 9,400 is what the lifeguard with all the taxes or the Medicare and all that stuff that we budget >> like.76. >> If that shuffling makes it down to 9% I think we'll have some good >> people at least saying not [ __ ] it as
much. >> I can't hear anyway. So, >> I know it's going to be jarring probably for Tenise to see that her budget's got $32,000. But she couldn't use the budget that was given to her. >> And she probably can't again. And if she
does, we go out of the surplus that we already overt taxed the city for to create. >> Just because the money is budgeted doesn't mean you have to spend it, right? >> Yeah. We got to >> That's another thing we got. >> There was a few things that I had little problems with. these little conferences and stuff that she likes to go to.
>> Now, if it's mandatory training, I'm all for it. >> But these other, you know, I'm okay, you're okay things, >> you know, pat each other on the back or whatever they do. >> Go have some uh kind of cut those back because they're not needed to >> and it really doesn't do anything but,
you know, have a weekend up at Craig or wherever the hell they go to, you know. I mean, >> but again, the mandatory training is required. I'm all for it. You got to have that. But sometimes some of them Yeah. That's still >> I do know a lot of that stuff. She applies for a grant and a lot of these
those major ones she gets reimbured back. >> Tyler, does the term boondoggle mean anything because that's what >> boondoggle? >> It's called a boondoggle. >> Well, I agree. Or something like that. We we'd have some people not bitching as much. Not
say happy people. complain. >> My insurance is or my taxes go up. So, whatever. >> All I do is write a check and pay for it and go on another day. >> My real estate taxes were less this year. >> I just got affect my house went down
from 29,000. >> Your value. >> They just they just did it here about 3 months ago. My house,000 according to my >> Thank you. >> I only paid 70. Now they say it's worth
153 >> and I haven't made six,000 >> new windows, new brush, >> electrical, everything. >> Your house is going to sell on what the market is at the time anyway. whether
what that >> says that you get in the mail or not. >> Right. >> Mine my taxes went up $600 for the year. >> Like [clears throat] I said, they've been up like two, three grand since I've lived here 10 years. >> The county tax on mine right now.
>> I was surprised. >> I can't do much. >> Supposed to know up. >> Mhm. >> County library was living in something that they weren't supposed to. >> You go to work. You go to work, you get taxed. You go buy stuff and you get taxed and you go do that and you get
taxed. I mean, what the hell? >> I don't understand how you get taxed on everything you do. >> Okay. So, [clears throat] if we do just kind of throwing do some calculations. If we do the 32,000
and then 10 off of the ambulance wage other >> Mhm. >> we're at 42,000 then cuts. >> Correct. Yep. >> And then 94 for lifeguards. >> And then 9,400
for lifeguards. >> I know. I figured this one too. That doesn't I just pulled those out of there. I was hoping that this would actually show it, but it's not recalculating. I'm not. >> What's the path D12 through B12? >> What's that say up on the very top of
your screen? The blue things. >> It just says sharing >> because you share the screen right now. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. I just thought maybe it'd say something like um you have to recalculate or something >> because sometimes if somebody locked that spreadsheet if you're not the owner.
>> Yeah, if they lock those cells to do >> so because these line items would be like general levy. Is that where >> Yeah, >> because it >> Yeah, it just pulled in a straight number. It's not. It didn't pull it in.
Yeah. But as long as 12 grand is a percent, then that's what the math comes up to. >> And we're doing what? 40 something 36 >> 42 49 400
>> or 50 51 something else 51 by 12 >> and we're able to put some in for the streets correct >> that's with the streets >> it's 144 right >> 144 and then potentially >> we need more than that >> I know we need 40
>> we need 40 >> I'm with you we need 40 grand >> at least >> so we can do more than Yeah. >> From here to the post office. >> Yeah. >> So [laughter] the police I went 211 down to 170. So that's 41.
An ambulance 70 down to 60. And then took out all of the uh lifeguard. So I think that's close to 60,000. >> If you That's a little bit more than we talked about for police. About 32. >> 32 for police. >> Yeah. >> Which would be
79. 179. Okay. >> Is that update now? >> I'll have to go through and actually hit the numbers. Yeah. >> So, >> so what I on my Excel spreadsheet I just went into on tax levby there the
proposed 2026. I just if you just took our total that we were kind of figuring to cut off of the general levy. It'll redo the calculation because that formula he has that for that yellow box >> he's tied >> it's tied for the D12 to divided by B12
>> if I put this is what I'm subtracting off the 9400 and the 42 proposed for general le would be 459 439 that changes it down to that
that seems >> like six >> 6.1 14. Is that right? [sighs] >> Because if that's the case, we could put more money towards the streets department. >> We put we could put 40 grand in there total and
>> or we just be, you know, >> conservative and do half of that. You'd still be at like seven or eight%. >> We have some pledge room, too. >> The year before, after. Do you see where I'm kind of playing with that to
>> Yeah. I was just going >> down to six. >> Have they done any >> No overlays yet? >> Have they done any? >> They do them. >> I feel like they're not done yet. Talk to Eric. I don't think they are. >> I thought they were coming last week or
something. >> Supposed to be. And last I knew they had not been here. >> So I took shoveling. We'll be shovel. We'll be scraping the snow away to [laughter] the overlay. >> Division's sure a lot nicer down from the bank going east now. Railroad tracks
out of there. >> Lots. >> Yeah, because they got to fix the railroad tracks. >> I put 40 grand in the street overlay >> and that sell works. Kept the five grand into the two mobile radios with what we cut and it puts at a 978
with 40 grand going. >> Where did you put that in for? for what tax under cap >> capital fund request. >> Okay. >> Under street overlay. >> Oh, so this one links to that >> this one the capex does. >> Oh, for whatever reason. >> And what does it bring it to? 97
>> 978 with 40 grand going to >> 40 more grand going to the streets. >> No, total. >> 40 total. >> I like that. >> Yeah. I don't know about tax levy >> because if we could keep that up, we'd
have some pretty >> that 510 number. >> Can't say decent streets. >> Switch that to 459. >> Column C. >> Crazy. [clears throat] >> Here we go. 978. If all the formulas are
>> If the formulas are correct, >> where's the rug? >> You guys, >> I'd be happy. I still be happy with it. Just the the bug in your ear, though. >> You look all cozy over there. >> I'm freezing. >> Really?
>> I'm sorry. Say what? >> Just a bug in your ear about the thing that we talked about beforehand. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I budget for something. I have no idea what the price That's that's the hard part. >> But we do have >> got a big pip. >> We do have a big bowl.
>> No, that's just my that's my birth mark from when I was premature. >> We do have some >> Yeah, that one. Unfortunately, there's >> here too. >> Okay. >> So, >> yeah. So, it's on both sides. >> We got to do what we got to do. >> I don't know if it was when I was >> if it comes in.
>> Wow. >> Six figures. >> Then you need to have insurance. [laughter] all that's going to become >> I had the marks in my head when you put that big halo on >> right here. >> Oh, gotcha. [snorts] >> But she
>> if it comes in at say we $100,000 for a server that just made contracting with the county more cost effective than keeping the PD and updating their infrastructure. >> True.
>> If it comes in 100,000, we have no idea. That seems that seems extreme to me, but the the ballpark monthly maintenance that obviously I haven't given a quote or anything, but she said probably somewhere on the order of like 2500 bucks with all the per machine costs for
everything. That's the monthly cost. >> Yeah. And you're going to have to >> have to buy the appliance itself, too. >> Well, and then there's uh but that's also full IT support that comes with it. So there is not just >> you know there's going to be monthly fee
but there's still going to be a base charge for whatever the client costs. >> Absolutely. >> Which is probably $50,000. >> It's hard to say. cross our fingers >> and we'll deal with it then >> and we'll we're meeting with them on Tuesday afternoon if anybody
>> there's [snorts] a there's a potential a compliance issue um coming up with so I don't know the statutes by by heart but there's going from 35 compliance
points to 175 for IT security for police >> just for police just for police >> just and all that. Um so to bring them into compliance is going to be pricey.
>> Why the need for it? >> Cuz somebody decided that they needed it. >> Don't have another. >> No. So it and it all came down to um you know my lovely situation after Tony left and the water bill thing and my computer crashing and everything and suggested
that we get a server for that to back up all the information >> and then he made phone calls and everything on Monday to deal with all that stuff and then Pantheon came in and yeah just everything and she took one look at
everything and There's state mandates of for police departments have to have a certain requirement for IT stuff and it crosses over into anything that could have uh patient health information. So things that could be on
firefighter equipment am equipment >> any of that. Then there's our our stuff that has billing information that might hold somebody's >> sensitive information that
>> we use the company though that we we run all our transactions for PA through their software though login right for their credit cards we don't have a credit card terminal >> correct >> correct so we're using their >> security system for that
>> so I guess that's the positive, but it all adds up to something something big is going to hit. I think >> we roll on a plane. [laughter] >> It all has to get done by October next
year. >> Well, we got some time, >> but plan plan for the worst. >> More mandates without the funds to do them. >> So, we will find out more on Tuesday. she will present to you guys in December
if you would like her to to get of it. So, I think we'll just plan on putting her on the agenda. [snorts] >> So, we [clears throat] because our next meeting is when we have to have our truth in taxation and everything for taxes.
>> Are we content with this number of changing the things we've discussed so that we have something ready to approve that we're that's what we're going with for our tax amount? Or do we need to have another meeting after >> as long as if we can verify 100% that
all these formulas are right and that 978 number is the right number >> go through >> what were you last year >> it was I think it was 97% increase I believe that's what I just
read >> so no [clears throat] calculator. >> Well, 9's a lot better than 13 or whatever. >> Yes, it is. >> Yeah, it's pretty. It's almost 459 439US
456 213 >> 459 439 >> 459 minus >> 459439US 456,213 >> 436 >> Sorry. >> Yeah. $459439
>> minus 456213. >> That's the levy increase. It's like $3,000. >> 3100 >> from last year to this year. >> So So then take Yeah, it's like
nothing percentage >> next to nothing. >> Cool. >> I mean on the on the plus. So, I I looked at the uh I plugged in a simple formula next to it to basically do a percentage and then compare it to how
far of the year we're through >> just to just as a visual. And >> I'm not saying that these are fields that I I would be comfortable just stripping completely, but there's a lot of stuff that's like 20 and 30% of the budget was spent. And there's a lot
there, but that's going to be the things that next year it's like >> Mhm. >> but it's also $500 items that we spent >> 30 bucks on all so far. But next could be bucks and [clears throat] we just >> scratched it out.
>> So >> I don't think we've ever cut $32,000 from a department budget. >> I know. >> Jody, I hear a sigh. What's that? >> Did you sigh? I thought I heard a sigh. >> No.
>> Been breathing. [laughter] >> What [snorts] is it? >> But I think there's going to have to be a conversation finessing this with Tis. She's going to see $32,000 reduction budget freak. I probably would do the same. >> I think anybody would. >> Y'all have to explain. >> I mean, it's literally just money that
you didn't use this year. >> That's it. >> Yep. I agree. >> I think just in in the conversation, >> not she did anything wrong, just couldn't because of staff issues. >> Well, and even if we did get somebody apply, say even in March, [snorts]
they're not going to start till half the year anyway >> where we'd still be okay at that point. >> You're probably going to be fine. >> Well, I know we're probably going to be fine because we probably >> I'm saying I'm saying if you put this number at 50, probably >> ultimately,
>> especially at half a year. Yeah, if >> even if they only work nine months, you're going to be fine, >> right? >> And we're all set up for this paid family leave thing >> that starts on January 1st. >> Yeah. I just have to still fill out
everybody's individual calculations and then they have to sign and >> okay, >> acknowledge them. But I have to do it for every single ambulance person and connect with them. every single person I get. >> And then the only other thing that the insurance is on here should be
real close, right? >> There's not going to be any big jumps. >> There should be >> compared to what's in here. >> I we can double check that. >> Go down. Potentially. >> Potentially. Correct. >> Can't do that till I get it. [laughter]
>> That's okay. Cool. >> When do we find out on that though? I mean like our insurance had been out and everything and was out today. So she's going to send me absolutely everything tomorrow. >> Some of it was unknown on what Tyler was going to be doing for choices.
>> Yep. I remember that. >> I was just curious. I mean, the way it came in has been considerably less than that number just based on your background. >> Aren't you lucky I got blown up? [laughter]
>> I'm going to say [snorts] >> I got a sense of humor about it. [laughter] >> Anything else? >> Is any me. >> All right. So, wait. One thing I did want to say just about the budget process in general.
>> Um, I would like to see the department heads have a much more involved role in budgeting going forward. >> I mean, we didn't expect Tommy to be gone halfway through the year where now we're in November and they're scrambling and we didn't have a whole lot to go off
of. You know, we're through something together. >> We're on a oneperson fail. >> Can I one person fail? So I mean not that you would be here next year but if you there's a lifealtering event in Jul in June and we want to be in the same spot again or do we want those department
heads to have a much more involved role >> absolutely >> in this so that that conversation doesn't get dropped >> so to speak to that to some extent um >> the person that kind of showed me the basics of it I wouldn't say expertise um
in at mower she she had to sit down with every department had probably five or six of them before Mhm. >> And there was no surprises. It was those also justify every dollar you're spending. >> Right. So there was a lot and I
>> smaller items, you know, like, you know, we're% of this and it's 500 bucks, but a department head is going to be able to speak to that a lot more. >> Absolutely. >> And we might be able to streamline that into a different category just to get rid of some of these. >> Yeah. need so many aligners. >> And I think Jody will agree with me that
in the last couple years the heads of the departments have participated more than they had in the past. >> Yeah. I would like to see that keep on growing. >> Correct. >> And we need to start we need to start earlier in the year like June or July. >> Yeah. >> And start looking and not wait till
November 17th. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> I will say I know like for sure Eric and Tenise were very good about that. Like Tenise made up her own spreadsheet and any invoice, anything like she told me what code to put that to, what it was for. Eric, every single receipt he would
get that to me and say, "Okay, put this towards the shop, streets, m or repairs, whatever." >> And it should be that way. They should know which GL accounts it should hit. >> Yeah. So, I think they do a relatively good at it.
Um I guess something like um for ambulance I would like more explanation from them instead of just getting an invoice from their I mean I know that they have to get medical supplies but you know just a little bit more involvement I guess on which I understand she's got a full-time job
too. She's covering outrageous hours >> but she is also getting a salary for so many hours to be here >> and when she got that job she didn't have a full-time job. Uh-huh. >> And there was a reason that we had that daytime coverage. We had those runs
during the day which we have not lost. >> Yeah. >> But can't not that we can dictate what people do outside of their job. If you're not available for the hours that we thought you were going to be available for, that's sometimes a conversation that needs to be had. >> Oh yeah, >> that once North Memorial [clears throat]
if they start pushing back then yes, that conversation does need to be have. Luckily, like I said, we have not hit that threshold. So, but it [clears throat] would be nice to have a little bit better coverage around here. >> Quicker coverage, I guess.
>> Yeah. Quicker turn around. That's the >> Uhhuh. >> Maybe >> that's why you want to keep this these what we have available, >> right? >> Heaven's sake. I feel even putting deadlines on departments that your invoices have to
be in a certain time before the council meeting like the week before so you guys can get it ready to bring to us. So you're not saying, "Well, we don't have anything. We'll have to give it to you." >> No, not saying it's your honestly before the funeral.
>> Some things happen. You're fine. >> I just would like to see some structure with that with the and responsibility going towards that with the department heads to have things into you guys. >> I don't know. Am I wrong on that or you
guys? >> I mean, that's what we have to do where I'm at. we have certain deadlines or it has to wait till the next council meeting to get it approved. >> Yeah, we can make better decisions then as a council >> quicker too, especially when we're only one [clears throat] one weekend or
>> even if it's something that they you know they're getting bids, you know, like Shell always has, you know, she wants whatever, you know, a new air conditioner out there. Well, if she get that in sooner and it gets sent out to us, we can actually review it rather
than sitting here. >> Yeah. >> Uh two seconds. >> I don't know about if we should do this or not. I mean, [laughter] >> I would like to see that also and [clears throat] elaborate on it on that. So then it gives Tyler time to say, "Well, we have this in our budget instead of trying to scramble at the
meeting." >> I don't know. That's just me. I mean, if even if it you get it, just push it out for a meeting and then just send it out a couple weeks later to us for us to review and then have it on the agenda, you know, or whatever it may be just to
give us a chance because there's a lot of times they're up here preaching and you're like, "Okay." >> Yeah, sounds mean. There's only so much we don't even get to look at. I got to look at three pieces of paper and the price. >> Yep. It may be a need, but it's not a
want or the other way around. I >> mean, I don't want to hold back areas that need something and ends up breaking and now we have someone coming in there to fix it just to throw it away to put a new one in there. >> But there's a difference of something that's breaking that needs immediate
attention and an email has to be sent out to us versus, >> you know, we we've known about this for months. [laughter] >> Yeah, that's the whole thing is just getting better communication. So we can actually
make a a fast flat decision making right now, you know, not, you know, it's just sometimes it's so hard just, oh, this popped up. Let's can we do this? You know, >> well then I think we ought to have something like that incorporated into
the employee handbook and then also reiterated in their annual evaluations. Are they doing what they want to do to prepare us for doing a better job for them? Yeah, because I mean, not going to lie, this last Monday I felt or from the last council meeting, I felt very
unprepared just because I >> was waiting and I kindly asked for stuff early and it didn't come. Um, >> yeah. And I guess I never liked so for like the other meetings that I was
controlling I think it was fairly good because I didn't want Friday to be the cut the Friday before to be that cut off. Um so most of them were really good about getting this stuff to me by like that Tuesday or Wednesday at least. Um
but not all of them. So yes, I agree. I think we need to at least stuff like that push it to like the Monday at the very least. You guys get time to put it together and if we have questions, you know what the you have you have an answer response.
>> Sometimes I got to have give and take back and forth back and forth to get the final result before we can build out into the meeting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you're missing a piece of information, you know, just send us a packet without it and so we at least look at the other stuff, you know, and
when you get back. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I would have liked to get it to you all. >> It's hard. No, thanks. [laughter] >> We get it. >> And it's nothing against anybody. We're just >> relaying what >> going forward. >> No, I agree. I think that's something
that we should put up to department heads. >> Y that's like it is a lot. >> I mean, who expected Tony to quit and get thrown at the wolves or not quit but job, you know? I mean a lot of stuff I want >> and then you got you got two of us that
we're just starting you know so >> we've been on for three months [laughter] and they help help with us it makes it easier for all of us. >> Yeah >> because one person doesn't have to do everything >> and that's the part of cross trainining and having people in char like department heads in charge of their own
budgets to help with Tyler because >> life happens. >> So we can't have any one person fails. No. >> All right. So, we're gonna get some information from you later once you do some numbers here. >> I'm gonna just make sure the spreadsheet
actually works and that what we're seeing is is what it is. I'll I'll put the changes in that you you discussed. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Double check that 459 line just to make sure. >> Yeah. >> Planning for the worst. Should we all say that we could come to another meeting if we had to
>> work session? I don't >> I mean if something goes anywhere and the numbers that we put in are completely wrong then I think we have to otherwise >> we have to do the truth and taxation >> it's already noticed right >> what >> it's already noticed or set
>> it's kind of like it's like kind of like a public hearing you just open it up >> right but do we have to have the percentage set before they taxation that's [clears throat] that was my only concern >> I can double check with tomorrow >> okay >> if we have to know that we got our preliminary out our preliminaries are,
but I didn't know if we had to have our final hard that we're going to approve because we would be doing that on the next meeting, >> right? The notice that they got has the preliminary in it. >> Well, if if Tyler comes back >> and if it's less, then they're going to realize that it's not as much as their
notice that they got. >> Sure. If Tyler comes back saying that and we all screwed up, are we okay with emailing back and forth to finish that thing for the truth and taxation or do you want to have another >> be a little difficult without um >> meeting rules,
>> open meeting though? Yeah. >> I mean, we can discuss it at our next meeting. We can always make a special session meeting right like the next week after. I know it's close to Christmas, but if we absolutely had to, >> right? That doesn't have to be in till the end of the December.
>> It has to be in I think that week before Christmas is what we have to for tax. So we would have an extra week of wiggle room to get together for a short meeting to if we had to really hash out some numbers we can at the next meeting. >> Our next council meeting is before the truth and taxation meeting. >> Same.
>> No, it's the same. Okay. See that's my point. What if things go south as far as what we did able to figure that out within >> still not a final number >> like Jody said the truth in taxation is on the 13.7% because that's what our preliminary is. So if we go less there
we we can't we're fine. We can't go any higher. >> No go higher. I don't think the >> meeting I don't know how many >> if there is we'll find it out in the next two days and you guys will be notified and we'll figure out if we have to set up >> have to post another one. >> I think that works.
>> People have to realize that their property values everything is assessed through the county. We don't have any say to you know but you know you got to remind them of that sometimes. >> I just want to make sure we're follow >> Did you get yours Jody? >> What your assessment? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
Um, and while we kind of spoke about Christmas or something, this was something that has been brought up with all employees and I don't know if this is something I can mention to you guys and we can just put it as a consent agenda, whatever item. Um, being the day after Christmas falls on a Friday,
can we make nobody's going to come in here kind of thing, can we make it as a mandatory user PTO and have it as a closed day? >> I mean, yeah. if it like for the years that it falls on like that like the day
after Christmas is on a Friday. >> Yeah. >> Um just because I mean I like working at Cinch they made it like that and >> I would say >> last year nobody even came in Thursday and Friday last year. >> I would put it on the agenda because we can't vote on it here at a work. I know,
but I just I wanted to throw it out there and if we just throw it in the consent agenda as a memo that >> blah blah blah, but you have to use your PT mandatory PTO holiday kind of thing. >> But if somebody doesn't want to eat, well, I guess mandatory
>> and I've asked every employee and they're like, "Yes, please. >> Everybody's okay." >> So, the only issue >> the only only issue I have with that, what happens if it's a snowstorm? We're not going to be paying overtime >> or holiday or
>> demand over time. >> Oh, like if the guys are working. >> Well, then we would just put something is that they would still just get regular pay. >> I mean, yeah, look at it that way. >> Yeah, they they wouldn't get any holiday or over
have to use their PTO and it'd be like a regular day if it turns into that. Otherwise, if there's not, it's just manageable. Or we could use say use one or the other >> cuz then we'll just throw it in the memo and >> Makes sense. >> I'm fine. >> Thanks guys. And I'm going to be up on Monday.
>> I'm going to take a breather for you. >> You need one. [laughter] >> Uhhuh. >> We're shut down from like the 19th to the 5th this year. So >> Oh, do we have to close this? >> Yeah. >> Recording. >> Can
>> I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting. >> Second. All in favor? I >> do you ever the little drop box outside your office? Do you ever >> have to go and get the letters out of there? >> Every single day. That's our That's our
part of our job. We do it in morning and then if it's