Afternoon. Welcome to the March 5th, 2026 new home safety commission meeting. I'd like to call it to order. Um, our first order of business is since this is the first meeting of the year, we need to elect our officers. So, I would open the floor for
nominations for chair. >> Can you do it again? >> Seems like we do this more than we do anything else. >> Yeah. >> I hate to point out the obvious, but >> yeah. Is there ter? >> We'll write it out till the end. Okay. We nominate you.
>> All right. Any other nominations? >> All right. We'll close nominations and we have to vote on it then. >> Yep. >> Okay. Uh all what all in favor of Chris Warick as chairman say I >> I >> opposed. All right.
Uh vice chair uh last year was Connie. Any nominations for this year? >> Connie, do you want to do it? >> Oh, it's a hard job. You think I can fit it in? >> All right. So, I hear a nomination for Connie. >> As long as Chris is in good health,
we're in good shape. Any other nominations? I will close the nominations then. All in favor of Connie say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed. All right. And secretary is the city staff. That always is that.
>> Happy to do that, Mr. Chair. >> All right. Um, next up is the Oh, um, meeting minutes from November 6, 2025 meeting. Everybody should have had that in their packet and able to look them over. Is there any changes, additions,
corrections? >> Oh, I move approval. >> Second. >> All right. There's been a motion and a second to approve the meeting minutes for November 6. All in favor? I >> I >> I >> opposed. Okay. All right. We'll accept those meeting minutes. Now, we'll go
into old business, which is an update from city engineer on 2026 capital improvement plan and project development. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair, commission members. Uh Joe Sadim, city engineer. Um just a quick update on our 2026 CIP. All of the projects that was
presented uh back in November, September of last year uh were ordered in by the city council and are currently out for bid. So just a reminder, some of the uh improvements we are making this year. Um, the first notable one will be a
rapid rectangular flashing beacon on Fifth North Street near the MLC soccer fields with an added pedestrian crossing um, mark crosswalk and uh, we're doing a kind of a little bigger no parking zone to really clear some sight line issues for people crossing the street up there
during soccer season. uh State Street uh North State Street from 12th North to 16th North, we will add in the pedestrian ramps. Um with that roadway and utility reconstruction project um right now there's uh very few
crossing locations to get across uh State Street. Makes it a little difficult during the fair. So we'll clean that area up as well. Uh and the other item will be a bunch of trail patching um from on the kind of
newer section of the trail. So that's from Cassad 29 or uh North Garden Street um all the way to 7th North Street. Um uh plus or minus depending on how much how far we can make the dollar stretch with the construction project. So um
some exciting improvements uh coming our way uh this construction season. So happy to answer any questions commission members may have. >> So is the project at the around the fairgrounds on North State going to be done?
>> Most likely it will not. Um we didn't put in any special milestone dates on that project because of the scope of the project. It makes it pretty difficult with timing of the fair being in August. That's prime construction season. So, >> we do have language within there to coordinate with events. Bavarian Blast
is another one that we'll have to coordinate um to the best extent possible with the contractor. Um that doesn't guarantee that they'll be available for parking. The main um item we're after there is safe pedestrian crossings, especially at 12th and 16th.
So, >> any other questions? All right. Do we need to have a motion to accept that report or the update? >> Yeah, if we could just to receive an order filed would be fine. >> I still move.
>> Second. >> All right. Um, so a motion to second to receive an order filed, the city engineer update. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. All right. Off to new business. So, we're going to shuffle a little bit
here. Uh, jump down to 5.2. two which would be progress update from city engineer on the comprehensive safety action plan. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um our consulting uh consulting engineer SRF consulting group has made really great
progress on the comprehensive safety action plan. Uh we are still in kind of that data collection phase and really um they're really um going game busters with the public participation and comments. Uh so as you may be aware they
did those public events October Fest and they were at the fair and um other other events as well. Um getting that in-person feedback. We had the interactive map that was active for quite a while. Um but there were some underserved uh areas where we didn't re
receive much feedback particular uh on the north and south ends near the mobile home parks. So, they have done targeted mailings at those locations and they've gotten 15 mailed responses back. Um, which, you know, it's 15 more than I
thought we would get back. So, we're really getting good a really good net cast around the city of um concerns that people have and um just a really good representation of um all kinds of uh users whether they walk, roll, bike, um
drive in their vehicle or use public transit. Um so, really excited with the progress being made. Um scheduled next are some listening sessions. So, uh, the consultant will come down late in late March on two days. They're going to take a ride on
Herman Express. They're going to talk to those riders and get their feedback and and whatnot as well. And then they're also going to do uh listening sessions with some public staff, so city, county staff. Um, and then a bunch of uh
different community members, bike group, um, Avid Walkers. um you're including CAST and uh ARC ad that of recreational um service providers just to really um finish painting that picture of users
around the city. And lastly, they are uh working they're going to get some feedback from young drivers as well because we really didn't get you know high school driver input as part of this uh process so far. So, um, we're going to pick a few high school students who
are going to be volunttoled that they're going to participate in this, uh, um, uh, process, but they're actually going to hopefully meet up at the high school during school so we can get, uh, their opinions as new drivers as well. So, it's really exciting. Um, the comments have all been really good and um, kind
of open our eyes as city staff because of all the participation we're getting. So, um, really excited. Once all of that's done then um you know they've done the other data collection crash data um they've identified our high injury networks uh within the city and
whatnot as well. So once all of that they get that data collection done and processed and they'll start building the plan. So um this is the kind of the the difficult part and now they can weed through all the comments and um make a
plan that works for us. So, any questions? >> All right. Thank you. Um, no action required in that section. U, now we'll go down to the update on Mayor Backer's commission recommendations. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, as
you may have seen in the paper, the uh, Mayor Backer was looking at all the city boards and commissions um, and looking at ways to um, you know, eliminate if needed or just streamline processes and things of that nature. And one of the uh, commissions she's looking at is is
the safety commission um, specifically looking at our meeting frequencies and things like that. Um, so she solicited my input and things like that. So, the safety commission is one of those commissions that she's looking at possibly eliminating. Um, we're one of
the few communities that have a safety commission like this. Um, so she's kind of taking all that under advisement. That's not to say, um, this type of process wouldn't exist anymore. Um it would be kind of moved inhouse per se
with city staff including police, fire chief, um Alina, EMS services and still um like public at large whether that's uh city councelor or the mayor or an appointed member of the community. So when things come into our office then
you know we would meet not necessarily in council chambers here but just like a staff meeting um and discuss those items and they would still be seen by city council. So, that's kind of the way she's leaning. Obviously, the city council has final say in any changes. Um, but that's the update as of right
now. As then, as far as the vacancies on the commission right now, um, three members turned out, um, she elected not to reappoint them, not knowing how she's going to move forward yet. So, um, while I appreciate everyone participating still, um, cuz I do value your input
when we discuss things, um, those members just can't vote for the time being. So, um, but any questions on that or any inputs? >> No. >> Okay. >> I can understand it. I mean, we don't meet that often. And then when you sit
here and count this list of 19 commission and board meetings, it's like, I mean, this town's not that big, >> right? Yep. And, you know, if you look back in the history, they all serve their purpose at some point in time. So, >> but, you know, nowadays it could be
probably consolidated. >> Yep. So, that's kind of a task that she's um been working on. I she's been working on it for a long time behind the scenes and lots of discussions with staff. >> The first time it's come up, >> correct? Yeah, it's came up in the past as well. So,
>> but um but yeah, I didn't get a chance to talk with her this afternoon to see kind of more of an update than that, but that's the best I know right now. So, >> all right, Tom's not quite here yet. So, if we want to >> do we have to do something official and
adjourn or something? >> Um I don't know. I suppose motion to pause until our consultant's here. Maybe >> I don't think he wants us to sing. So, >> not me anyway. >> Someone's better than I am. >> Okay. Do we need a motion to that? >> Maybe just >> table.
>> Just take a pause here. >> So, we grabbed a motion from you, Connie. And >> Sure. >> Second. All in favor of pausing. >> Sing. Someone second that second. Yep. All in favor of pausing say I. I. All right.
We'll call the meeting back to order then and we will move on to school zone speed study presentation. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh Tom here from SRF Consulting Group has been working on this uh study for us. So um
he's prepared a presentation. So I'll hand over the reigns to him. >> Thank you. Thank you everybody. Apologies for being a couple minutes late here. Uh like I said, Tom Saki, traffic engineer with SRF Consulting Group. Um I've been doing this now for uh almost 14 years now. Um
work up in the Twin Cities, but uh handle all sorts of different traffic analysis studies, school studies, speed zone studies, uh you name it, anything with schools. I've I've been um pretty active in this throughout my career here. So a quick overview of the project that
we did um recently here um or sorry of this presentation uh we'll take a look at the schools we reviewed the data we collected the observations we collected um run through the school zone speed analysis uh process uh that Mindup lays out and then um what kind of
recommendations we have here. So, uh, quick why school zone speed limits? Um, reducing speed inherently makes, uh, things safer for pedestrians. Um, this is a a graphic I took from the mind guidance here, but just showing
that the the slower speeds are if somebody was to get hit, the better uh, the the improved likelihood that they will walk away without an injury or the less severity of an injury there could be uh, and the less amount of time it takes somebody to stop if you're going a little bit slower. pretty standard
stuff, but just kind of why we think these things are important. Um, and if we can get vehicles to drive a little bit slower, especially in your schools where kids could be crossing, um, that's our that's our goal here is really to improve safety. Um, school zone speed limits have been proven to be uh, pretty
effective at reducing driver speeds, especially if you couple that with some additional enhancements. um you can just stick up the signs, but there's other enhancements that you can put out there that um can improve that compliance and get a little bit better attention for the drivers. Um and typically we see
reductions um you know 5 to 10 m an hour. You start getting up over 15 m hour. If you you know have a 50 m per hour roadway, it could be tough to get somebody to come down to 25. But um all the schools in town here are I think at 30 mph for everything. So, um we're
already in relatively lower um posted speed limit roadways, but we can get that reduction maybe down to 20 mph um just improve the safety. So, um took this map here from uh from the city um by just showing all the the
walking routes um the safe walking routes here and obviously how close they are to all the schools that are on the map. Um just stressing the importance of why would we want to do this? While we have we promote the the safe walking um there's a similar map here for biking too. I know I didn't put in the presentation but there's that same type
of map that we've got here um for biking as well. Um just showing that why we want to do these and what kind of roadways we want to put them on and couple that with the you know the schools promoting the walking just makes all things safer. So, running through all the schools, we
um we did review I think every school in the city if I'm not mistaken. Um including the private schools as well. Um everything's in a relatively urban setting. I know the high schools kind of out a little bit, but um the majority of the schools here are very, you know,
neighborhood ccentric um urban settings. Um but we did take a look at every school in town. So, here's just a map highlighting where the schools are. Um nothing nothing shocking to you guys but just to you know give some um uh and ident identify
like kind of where we're looking at in the city but um yep you know the majority of these kind of within the the urban area then you have the high school out here as well. So, the data that we collected to kind of start this process off, uh, we kicked this process off back in July. Um, and
we thought it might be a good idea to get data collected in both the summer and the fall just to see if there's any difference of when school's out. Um, maybe a little bit more recreation going on in the summer. Um, is there any are any of these roadways acting differently? Um, do people drive quicker
in the summer, slower in the summer? Um, let's find out. And then we collected so we collected data in August um and then we collected again in September um right at the end of September, beginning of October. Um so once without school, then one with school. Um we set up speed radar units near all of the schools um
along the key roadways there. Um set those out for two to three days to get an understanding of um the speeds that were out there, both average 85th percentile, just taking a look at the speeds throughout the day. And this just helps give us a baseline for the analysis of what are we looking at? Um,
you know, it's posted at 30, but how how compliant are people out here. So, running through the data, I know there's a lot of numbers on here. Um, but this is kind of the the core part of what we collected. Um, taking a look at
this posted speed limit. We have the data. Um, those first two columns here for August. So, the average and the 85th percentile. um why we use the 85th percentile. Historically, that's always been the mind process for how you set a speed limit is you look at the 85th
percentile speed when they collected data. Um and then they would set the speeds kind of following that. Um obviously cities now have a little bit more leeway to being able to set their own speed um without that MIDOT process. But that's still a very common engineering um piece that we look look
at here um is 85th percentile speeds. just kind of looking at where's that upper boundary. You don't want to get the top at the top, but that upper boundary of where people tend to maybe feel comfortable driving. Um so this is um near the St. Paul
Lutheran, Jefferson Elementary, New Middle Schools here. Um this data relatively um similar between August and September. um you know average speeds kind of uh
along Pain Street here 22 23 um in September they're looking closer 21 24 all kind of about the same area your 85th percentile speed still below the 30 mph threshold there um Garden Street you get a little bit quicker speeds there um
your averages are closer to 30 your 85th percentile is getting up to 34 um and you know the one thing that we did see here maybe just anomaly in the data um but maybe just something that happens during school time frames is in September um along Garden Street south
of fourth street uh we did notice a little bit drop of travel speeds out here kind of 3 to 5 miles per hour and average or 85th percentile so just something to note and then same thing we collected at the Catholic schools out here um the one
thing to note with this one which is a little funky a little surprising actually is along Fifth rate. Uh we did see an increase. Um tough to say exactly what that might be, but it did increase quite a bit. You know, 7 8 milesPH. Um I don't know if
it's just a blip in the radar. It just happens to be that the two to three days we collected maybe there's just some quicker speeds out going on out there. Um but just something to note that uh along Fifth Street there. Um but otherwise, for the most part along Washington, we did see a pretty dramatic
reduction near the Catholic schools. um getting everything below 20 miles an hour. Um then same thing at the Washington Learning Center getting those I think during school time frames we were they were uh 14 to 19. So a pretty um low speed environment. Um and then no
surprise near the high school it's posted 30. Um we've got the roundabout out there. Um but I know that's a little bit different environment being out kind of away from the city a little bit away from that urban environment a little bit. Um, we've got averages of 33 and
85th percentiles of 36. Um, obviously the caveat to that is right at the roundabout, no one's going to be going that fast. Everyone's going to be going 15 miles per hour tops just going navigating through there. So, um, but >> you weren't there on a good day. >> People People take it a little bit more
risky than that. >> You take your life in your hands up there on the roundabout. >> Yeah. Yeah. It can it can certainly happen. >> You can't drive 36. You better stay off. Um, and then one caveat here, uh, the Riverbend Learning Center, I think we added this one kind of after, uh, we did
everything initially. Um, but we had some some speed data out here. Um, we didn't, this was from the spring and fall of 2022. >> Street light data. >> Street light data. Yep. Um, but we can see, uh, along Minnesota street speeds are relatively in line with the speed
limit. 26 miles per hour average, 31 on the on the 85th percentile. So, the next thing we took a look at and kind of the next piece of the process here is looking at any crash data that was occurring out here. Um, thankfully there was no fatal or suspected serious
injury crashes near the schools. Um, and I think that's over the last 5 years of data. Um, there were three suspected minor injury crashes and four possible injury crashes. Um, nine of the 15 crashes surrounding the new homem high school um did occur at the roundabout.
Maybe giving some credence to the fact that maybe people are driving a little bit crazier out there, but um you know, we know with a roundabout a lot of times it's talked about reducing crashes. It reduces those severe and fatal crashes. Um but there is obviously the likelihood that you will get more um property
damage type crashes. They still do occur quite frequently. Um so it's not surprising that that happens, but we're not getting those severe angle type crashes. U there was one pedestrian related crash in all this data um is near the Washington Learning Center, but it did happen in July of 2024 outside school
hours. So nothing really to indicate that it would be any anything that happened to a student, but we did want to note that that was the only pedestrian crash we saw in this area. So the next piece then um we came down and did observations at each school um
or almost all the schools here just to see how um parents are navigating the site, kids are navigating the site, buses are navigating the site just to see if there's any is there anywhere that's coming out and looking like that's a problem area. Um you know and
we recorded these both before and after school. We did not do it at the high school. um that one being a little bit further out there and typically a lot of these things are more you know when we're looking at school observations are really more applicable to to the younger students and we want to make sure for
them um the Washington Learning Center and the Riverbend Learning Center a little bit different type of stuff there. So I know this graphic is really small got really small text on there maybe made it just so just uh kind of maybe more so for the arrows but um for the
St. Paul Lutheran, Jefferson Elementary, New Middle School. Um parents using Pain Street and Garden Street for student drop off. Um there's staff members that are out there kind of helping kids get in and out and cross the roadways. Um we didn't see any queuing issues that would indicate, you know, if we put a school
zone speed limit out here. Uh what's the point? Because it's already it's already queued up during school time frame, so no one's going to be going that fast anyway. We didn't see any of that, at least during our observations. I'm sure there are times that it does happen. Um, and during our observation periods, you know, vehicles were observed to be obeying the crossing signs, letting kids
cross. Uh, people were generally doing what they're supposed to be doing. Um, doesn't always happen. Once again, it's a single snapshot in time. One day we were out there. Not to say it doesn't happen because I'm sure there will be parents that will indicate to us that that doesn't always happen and it's I wouldn't be surprised, but um, this was
the one thing we saw. Um and then the new area Catholic schools. Um a little bit more just on the main drop off. You know, the one thing we did see out here, there were students in safety vests kind of helping people um direct traffic and facilitate crossings out here. Um we didn't
necessarily observe a ton of queuing going on. Um things were moving pretty good. Um once again, there's a lot of arrows and things noted on here, but this is just more to indicate where we did observations. Um, and when I say we did observations, we had one of our staff members come out
here, um, kind of hang off to the side and just watch to see how things were going. Um, you know, so they they were getting their their snapshot from where they were. Um, if you know, something happened on the other side of the school, maybe somebody was dropping off where they weren't supposed to or somebody circumventing it, you know,
that could be a little bit different uh, situation. But um from everything we saw, we didn't necessarily see any major queuing circulation issues going on. Um but once again, the single day and time, we know sometimes those get a little bit
different. Um one parent takes off, one person doesn't stop and it kind of throws everything off. It can certainly happen. So we collected all this data. Now what's our next step? So our next step here was to look at the Midnight guidance. So, Midnot put out guidance in
June of 2023 um for establishing school zone speed limits um using a lot of the data that we just looked at here um obviously the goal is to improve safety for students walking, bike and rolling. Um taking a look at the information that we did and then we get into a flowchart
that they have here. Um and then we perform an engineering study if it was needed. Um luckily with none of with all of ours, none no engineering study was needed. that gets a little bit more into some nuts and bolts and you start to get into do you need to start doing other roadway improvements out here. Um
simply, you know, all of our recommendations more to come, but they don't necessarily need to do you don't need to build curb extensions, you don't need to build midblock crossings, you don't have to reduce lanes, we don't have to get anything like that. Um obviously those drive a significant cost. Um but so we
follow this process here um and get into taking a look at the speed limits and where do we want to go um all of our roadways um as we noted were in that 30 mph category. So u we get in down into this C and C1 C2C3 C1 is where we get
into um you know looking at these best practices. We propose a school zone speed limit of 20 miles per hour. um it's in that we have a post at 30. The best we can probably assume is generally that 5 to 10 mile per hour reduction. Let's go for the 20 um because that's
more than likely what would happen. I will say um the one thing that did not follow into this is we proposed I can jump to the next one. We proposed a 25 mile per hour school speed zone near the high school. um because we
collected that data out there. Um and and to your point, people are probably driving 35 miles per hour or so. Um so we thought posting the speed limit down to 20 probably wouldn't be realistic. Um and then couple that with the fact that
when people go through the roundabout, they are already going to about 20. Um and so if we posted it at 20 and they're kind of turning at 20 through the roundabout, it might not be very well followed. So, we thought 25 made a little bit more sense there. It does kind of contradict that previous map
that said or the previous guidance that said you don't have to do an engineer, you have to do an engineering study if you do it at 25, but um we think we have justification there that you don't have to get further into that. Um the one the Washington Learning Center here, we did uh end up not
recommending to do a school zone speed limit. I believe that's the one I can go back that we saw speeds were the speeds were already pretty low. So we didn't think it necessarily made sense that we needed to post a a speed limit at 20 when
people already going slower than that. So um with with that you know the recommendations were made for the school zone speed limit. Um my recommendation and kind of SRF's best practice and I think this is a relatively um industrywide best practice is if you can
in order to achieve that best compliance of getting people to actually slow down um having those school zone speed limit signs that when flashing and then having a flashing beacon put up um are the best way to do it. um they make them programmable now so that they're not one
they're not flashing all the time and then two you don't have that little placard sign up there that says school zone speed limit from 215 to 235 and uh I can't read it I can't see that from 200 feet away 100 ft away as I approach the sign um so having the flashing light
and having it say when flashing is the best kind of industry practice here of getting compliance. Um, the other optional thing that you could put out here is speed feedback signs. So, you'd have those out there. Um, so you'd have the sign that's flashing during that, you know, 20 minute period in the
morning, 20-minute period in the afternoon, and then a speed feedback sign so people can see the school zone speed limit is 20, and then, you know, they're 100t down the road or 50 ft down the road, they get a sign that it's flashing up to them that they're going 23 and they can hopefully slow down from
there. But um you know I think it's just the best practice is trying to get the best compliance possible. Um but obviously these things come at a cost. Um flashing beacons can cost $2 to $3,000 a piece. Those feedback signs with the radars that they need. Uh they're $6 to $7,000
a piece. So you start to put these everywhere. They have a little bit more of a cost to them um than more than just your static signs that you would put out. Um, so you guys don't need to get into the all the all the text on here about all the MUTCD signs and everything, but
this is kind of what our standard layout and what we gave to the city. Um, of here's where we are recommending that you should place the signs, here's the signs that are recommended to put up. Um, so you got the crosswalk signs, the speed limit when flashing signs, um, and then the kind of the the nuts and bolts
of, okay, if you were to make the sign, it needs to be the MUTCD, blah blah blah. Um, but this was really kind of our our final product here was we went through it. We thought it made sense at pretty much every school out here to to do a school's own speed limit. Um, and
here's our recommendation. So, with that, um, I can take any questions. You happy to answer? >> I'd say Tom, what is the recommended, you know, you talked about, um, you know, time frame for school? Obviously, we all know there's an earlier drop off
and late drop off. Just for question standpoint, what is normally the recommendation there? How long of an interval before school starts and how long after? >> Yeah, I would say it can kind of depend on schools. Um, generally in my
experience, it's about 20 minutes before school, 20 minutes after school. Um, what's great with the programmable ones is if you do know you're going to have maybe your after school is going to there's going to be 20 minutes and then >> sure another time frame down the road there. There'll be another 20-minut
period when um kids will be out there potentially crossing the roadway. Um, you could have a flip on at that point too. Um, one, it makes enforcement a lot easier. Um, I know we don't necessarily getting into traffic enforcement, but right, um, it makes it a lot easier to enforce that instead of the little sign
that says when kids are present or during these little time frames, it can be really hard to >> Sure. >> You can't really enforce that. >> Yeah, >> it becomes impossible. Um, in general though, I would say is when when there will be activity out there, when kids will be walking, um, and you can
certainly work with the school district on that to get it set up. they, you know, they know their procedures the best, but in general, it's that 20-ish minutes before and after school. >> Y I was just going to add, Tom just touched on what I was going to add into it would maybe be school dependent. For
Jefferson, for example, their doors open at 7:30, so that's when kids start arriving. So 7:30 through um in the building time is 8:10, I believe. >> So it probably maybe that 40 minutes, but it may be different at Newaxx, whatever their door open time is. So,
and that's the great thing about the programmable signs is we can do that for each separate sign, whether it's city staff that programs it or if we make it available to the school district for them to be upload. I mean, kind of a two-part question, you know, cuz you school nowadays now offer sometimes that
breakfast meal. So, obviously kids are probably coming there just a smidge early, you know, and then you answered the second one that you could offer that control to the school because they're going to know their schedule almost before you. I mean at least a partial control I would say.
>> Yeah. So that was a question I had for Tom too is how how do cities deal with this? >> Some they the city wants to keep the control. So, it's really relying on the school to get you the information and you know that'd be future discussions with each uh school location as well is
how do we want to go about this and >> yeah you'd be the master key holder so to speak and they would have >> user keys and be able to >> yeah upload their calendar and or whatever you know to make it easy. >> I think it could even be >> it might even be done through an app at
this point. >> Sure. >> Well, >> and and it could be >> but the concept is is there. >> Yep. he has login in info. The school has login info. Um you just have to have like a a central transportation coordinator with the school district or with the Catholic schools. Um you know
days that all of a sudden now there's a snow day. We can go in there and someone can go shut it off so it doesn't go that day or there's going to be an early release day. >> Um so it's not going to follow your typical um you know they're going to get out at noon or something like that. You can >> reprogram it. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Reprogram it for those oneoff
events. Yep. >> Yeah. I mean, sometimes once you get people in a a cultural state of this is when school's in, just like your charts and study all showed, can people tend to slow down when they know school's truly in >> exact summer, they're oh, there's no
kids in school, ramp up. But >> yeah, once people get cultured to it, even if there's one day off, it's almost like you're better off just leave it during the school year. And that's where having the flashing light helps a lot is one it's not flashing all the time if you can program it and it's it's short burst so it really actually gets
people's attention same you know kind of thing >> the lights when you come into towns now some towns you come in and >> your speed is this >> Yep. Yep. Exactly. And then you know similar to like an RFB it kind of functions that same way of >> Yep. It's It's active when there's
actually demand there for it to be active instead of >> All right. >> Always being out there because then people tend to turn tune it out a little bit. >> Sure. Thank you. >> All right. Any other questions from anyone? >> My only question was I think 20 minutes
isn't very long. >> Yeah, >> 30 minutes seems >> it could Yeah, it could certainly be 30 uh >> depending on the school. But like I know I drive on Garden Street a lot and it's like lots of traffic on Garden Street before 7 right at that 7:30 magic
number, >> you know, which is like, you know, well over 30 minutes before the start of school, >> you know, cuz it's quite congested in that area all around. >> I think what you're saying, Tom, that that's just an example. It's it's it's relative
>> to what the school deems or you know, excuse me, what the city helps out in. 20 minutes might just be an example. Yeah. Maybe it's maybe it's 30, maybe it's 35. I mean, >> yep, absolutely. >> I think it's relative. >> Yeah. In in general, I would say it's that 20 to 30. It's somewhere in that
time frame. Um, most kids are arrive 15 minutes before, depart 15 minutes after, but you have some stragglers here and there, uh, kind of on the back end of the window. So, it can certainly, >> um, >> and that's the nice thing is it can be programmed and it can be reprogrammed that if you find
>> kids are coming to a certain time, >> run it for that time and if they're, you know, if everyone's off the school site in 15 minutes, we don't feel it's necessary to run it later, you do it that way, too. Um it's that's the great thing about being programmable and um relatively easy to switch up is that
it's um user friendly and it's it's easy to change and it's something that the school knows best and they can make those recommen it's really that coordination with the administrators because they know their
operations and what they feel would work best for them and their students. Yeah. >> Okay. Um, are we looking to just receive the report or do we need to make a recommendation or >> U, Mr. Chair, that's completely up to the commission. If you, um, yeah, step
one would be receiving the report. Um, and order filed. Um obviously if the commission feels that you want to make a recommendation to city council I will gladly take that recommendation to the council whether that's to implement as presented or take pieces out of that or
um you know then you know if uh we elect or the commission elects to make a recommendation move forward then that kind of gives staff direction of let's start looking for safe routes money active transportation monies to implement this plan. I mean, I can't make a motion anymore certainly, but I
mean, yeah, if I could sitting on the commission, I would certainly recommend it. I think it's well presented. I read the packet quite thoroughly and, you know, all the zones really do are key and, you know, answering the questions of being able to adjust the time and setting that up. I think those are key
points. So, that's just my two cents. >> I agree too. I've often wondered why we don't have it in New because >> every the majority of towns you go through have a school safety zone. >> Yeah. >> And after years of doing drop off at
either Jefferson or even now the high school because then you have a specific guidelines from the teenagers about when it's appropriate to be there. >> Yeah. >> So yeah. >> Yeah. >> Praise the Lord though. I'll drive in a
year. That would be a little scarier. I I do re I do agree that we should recommend it. >> Okay. We should accept the report and forward it on to the city council as a recommendation. >> I I so move. >> Second. >> All right. U we have a motion and a
second to accept this report and forward it to city council as a recommendation. All in favor? >> I opposed. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, sir. All right, I believe that's the end of our business, correct?
>> Today and there are no announcements for next time. So, we will call the meeting ajourned.