All right, we have a quorum. So, why don't we why don't we get going? Good evening. My name is Bob Connors. It is now 6:01 p.m. and I'd like to call the June 7th, July 7th meeting of the Newbury Conservation Commission to order. Mason, please read
the preamble to the remote open meeting law and take a roll call of the members present. As a preliminary matter, this is Mason Far, conservation agent with the Newbury Conservation Commission. Please permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Mary Rimmer,
>> yes. >> Mick Brown, >> yes. >> Harry Trout, >> yes. >> Bob Connors, >> yes. >> Believe that's all we have for now. Good evening. This open meeting of the New Conservation Commission is being conducted remotely consistent with
Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020. Due to the current state of emergency in the Commonwealth due to the outbreak of the CO 19 virus in order to mitigate the transmission of the CO 19 virus, we have been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to suspend public gatherings and as such the governor's order suspends the
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joining. >> After board and committee members have spoken, the chair will forward public comment as follows. The chair will first seek questions through the chat function. When participants are using this function, please list your name, address, and then your question. Then the chair will seek questions from the public who wish uh questions from the public who wish to speak. They'll be
asked to identify their names, addresses, and questions. And once the chair has a list of all public commentators, they'll call on each by name and afford three minutes for any comments. Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote. >> Okay. Thank you, Mason. All right. First order of business, we don't have any
meaning minutes to review tonight. Uh we'll catch those on our next meeting. I'm going to take something out of order. 34 Central Street. There has been a request by the applicant uh that the commission send a communication to the
planning board kind of walking through our rationale for our decision. There was a draft memo in the dropbox and what he wanted to do is have you take a minute and review that see if
there was any questions and Frank Wetenamp just got on. my wife. Good evening, Frank. Just compiling is the record and kind of the thought process. Uh Heidi, Mary,
myself worked together on putting that together. Mary, there's a couple of more minor edits on some redundancy that Mary had suggested, but it doesn't change the the memo, the material material nature
of the memo at all. I would just say that this is a pretty unusual request and so we're just trying to be accommodating. It's not >> part of process.
>> Usually the record speaks for itself, but you know, Mary, I think with these MBTA projects and some of these other more complicated projects that um I think it's easy. >> It's more of a coordination between the boards really. >> Yeah. Yeah. Woody question.
>> No, I was just gonna say I thought it was kind of odd that this letter came it and was drafted too and now with your explanation of why I understand but um yeah I felt kind of like it was the tail wagging the dog. >> Yeah. No, it there was a request Woody
and what what I had said was that I would circulate it with Heidi and Mary and if we was consensus bring it to the commission for for discussion and and at the end of the day before really anyone
from the commission can send off a document they need approval from the board to do so. >> Yeah. No, I I understand all that, Bob. And and I and I actually read the letter a couple times and I I don't have any edits or corrections on it, so read. So, thank you. >> Does any does anyone else Let me go
around. Harry, any any comments or concerned about the content? >> Uh, no, no comments. I I thought it was a good letter. Um, considering, you know, why we needed to put it together. You know, it was a complicated process
where it was a original submitt and amendment and then uh you know it it changed dramatic. I shouldn't say it changed from what what the intent was of the original submitt. Mick, any any questions or comments or concerns on the
letter or the memo, whatever you want to call it? >> You're on you're on mute, Mick. >> Yeah, I was able to review it briefly. I just um I don't uh I guess I didn't read it well enough to understand whether it puts us
in any uh liable liable situation or if it provides any indemnification but it doesn't appear to do that. No, the the intent was just to be factual on kind of more chronological on how it came in.
>> It was amended then the rationale basically two different boards have two different standards for looking through different lenses. Uh and it >> right >> it's unfortunate that uh you know the concerns of the fire department, police
department, DPW and the traffic consultant uh don't don't dovetail with the wetland protection act where it's about protecting the resource. So >> and the appeal period is expired mix. So it's beyond their appeal period.
>> Okay. So, is is the letter itself a moot point or >> Yeah, it's justformational informationational for the planning board. >> Okay. All right. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Mick. Frank, any any questions on >> Bob? I haven't seen the letter yet. >> Okay.
Basically, it just a chronological walkthrough of the process and then the rationale and particular sections that u didn't allow us to accommodate the the intent of the applicant or the wishes of
the planning board. Yeah. Anything anything else, Frank? >> I seem to have lost your audio. >> Okay. Can everyone else hear me? Hold on. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. I'm going to move on. Dave
Clifford. David, do you have any questions? You're on mute. Uh any questions or concerns with the draft document? >> No, I don't. Sorry, I'm working up. I'm having problems with my headphones, so that's >> struggling. But no, I don't.
>> Okay. All right. Uh, I'll entertain a motion to authorize the chair to send the letter that was in the dropbox on behalf of the commission to the planning board. There's going to be a couple of minor edits on eliminating some
redundancy, but the the the basic content of the letter will not change. >> So move. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? Sure. >> Mick.
>> Hi. >> Harry. >> Yes. >> Frank. >> Yes. >> David. >> Yes. >> And Bob Connors says yes. Okay. All right. Yeah. I took that out of order because uh 34 Central Street has been at
the end of every agenda for the last year. And where this was really simple, I I thought it would be prudent to uh just get it out of the way. All right. A first order of business is a request for a certificate of compliance D file
number 0501105 32 school street. The applicant is submitting a request for a certificate of compliance for a project that was never stated. Mason, can you uh just give us a quick overview on that? >> Yep. Uh so this was issued
um This was issued September 4th, 2012. Um, it was for a new 8 by8 mudroom, a new decking with stairs. Um, living space replacing an existing deck area, uh, new foyer, and a new covered porch. Um, the
applicants are selling their house or have just sold their house and so the work was never completed. Um, I was able to do a sitewalk today. So, I have some photos um of the backside of 32 School Street, which I can share here just to
show everyone that nothing was uh nothing was done over there. So, can you guys see this? >> Y. >> So, these were the four uh excuse me, five project elements that were
proposed. Um all of which were in this back area here. >> Mhm. >> And those that project was never started. Um I think it was just a a time
or a financing thing. And so today you can see that this back area was undone. So this is the covered porch portion that was going to be turned to living space. Um, the deck was going to be extended with a staircase and then a new mud room and covered porch would
have been in this area here. >> Okay. Thank you, Mason. Questions from the members? Mary, any any questions for Mason on this one? >> No. >> Thank you, Mary. Woody, any questions uh for Mason? Woody, you may be on mute.
>> No, Bob, I don't have any questions on this one. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions on this one? >> My only question is um how do we document it so that it doesn't outlive the current tenants and that the next
tenant doesn't come in? >> Well, it's not really >> it's not really a certificate of compliance, right? >> Well, yeah, it is. It closes it out. Basically, >> we're just checking the box here that the order conditions has lapsed and the the work was never started on here. And
then they've they've come up with an agreement between the new buyers and the sellers just acknowledging that no work is done and and this is, you know, not an issue to be closed out. >> Sellers would have the buyers would have to reapply, >> right? >> Okay. All right. >> No, good.
>> All right. Thank you, M. Harry, any questions in this one? >> Nope. No questions, Bob. >> Okay. Frank Wetenamp, any questions on this one? >> No. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you, Frank. Uh, David, any questions on this one? No, Bob. >> Okay, Woody, did you have any questions
on this one? No work was started. I just want to close it out. >> No, but you you had already asked me, but no, now that you say that, I do. If the order conditions hadn't expired yet in the there was a sale in place, would the order conditions go with the sale of
home if they were still they would see Mason not >> it would follow the property? Yeah, it would fall the property if it was still they was still not expired. So like Mick kind of inspired that question just now. >> Yeah.
>> All right. But they are expired. So that the box gets checked and the null and void at this point. So >> yeah, there's no further action that they can they'd have to refile to do anything. >> Yeah. >> Other other than other than all their long.
>> Okay. I have no questions. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time on this matter? Okay, I do not see any. Do any members have a request for a site visit, additional information? Answer is no. I will entertain a motion to issue a
certificate of compliance the 32 school street. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick? >> Yes. >> Harry? Yes,
>> Frank. >> Yes, >> David. >> Yes, >> and Bob Connor's vote. Yes. Thank you, everyone. All right, next matter. Now, I see a couple of people on the call that I recognize from 34 Central Street. Uh,
Nino, I think you're 34 Central Street, you're on you're on mute, Nino, Nino, if you uh if you are. >> Yeah. And so, Nino, we basically are providing the commission is providing kind of a chronological rationale for
our decision on 34 Central Street. Uh, the commissioner reviewed it and authorized the chair to send it. So, there's that's already happened. So, I just don't want you hanging around. >> Okay. >> Unless you want to, but I didn't want you to waste your time if that was >> Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Next matter is 26 Northern Bulma. That's being continued. Okay. >> 84 Boston. >> Well, there was an amended at the uh
agenda was amended, Mary. >> Oh, okay. >> I just pulled it up myself. >> Got it. Okay. >> Yeah, we had a last couple last minute COC's come in to us. >> Okay. All right. So, next one is uh D file number. This is a certificate of
compliance D file number 050133784 Boston Road. The applicant is submitting a request for a certificate of compliance for the construction of a yard and workshop. Mason, can you give us an overview and a recommendation? >> Yep. Uh so this is KN&R Construction.
They um recently just closed out with the planning board. Uh the planning board had Joe Surwaka um do peer review for storm water. Um and they're completely closed out with the planning board. I believe they had a couple other things that were remaining. Um Woody, you can correct me if there's anything
additional, but I think it was um for the extent mostly storm water and then um a tree buffer in the back that separated uh their lot from the um the sto uh self storage I think it's called uh between their lot. Um, outside of
that, they had come to us last summer, I think it was June 2nd, 2025, um, where Millennium had issued an ASB built letter and plan identifying some of those changes. Um, so I believe that they went through some of those changes with the planning board making sure that none of the storm water changes were
significant. Um, and then some of the other things didn't really apply um, to us. And so I think uh they should be ready now um to present their updates and kind of findings that they went through with the planning board and closing out with us.
>> Okay. Who's here for 84 Boston Road? >> Um I don't see TJ on here unless someone else is presenting on their behalf, but >> Okay. If you are here to present or
answer questions on 84 Boston Road certificate of compliance, just uh give us your name and address. Make sure you're not on mute. Okay. Um >> can we table this so later in the meeting? >> Yeah, why don't we we'll go back to this one. Okay. We'll go back to it at the
end of uh >> certificates compliance. Let's see if someone comes on. You are correct, Mason. >> We are closed out in uh they're going to appear on our next agenda. >> The simple return of the rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest of the escrow bonds. It's about $100.
>> Okay, so no bond, nothing will be held by the planning board. >> No, we're done. >> Okay, thank you. All right, next matter. Let's move on to D file number 050 9084 Binmar Way. The applicant is
submitting a request for a certificate of compliance for the construction of a new deck. Mason, can you give us an overview on that one? >> Yep. Um, so this is definitely an older file number. It's 908. Let me just pull this up.
Uh, the work proposed here was the addition of a deck. Pull up the plan here. >> Everyone see this? >> Yes. >> Yep. So, this was the proposed deck here, the
10 by 30. No, that's on the right side there. Okay. >> With the stairs in the back, there's another staircase that's right here, but it's within the footprint of the staircase, so it doesn't go beyond um the edge here. Uh these were uh put in
with concrete sonar tubes. Um in the approved plan set I didn't see anything for a planting plan. So I wasn't able to review any planted vegetation that was there for um you know to offset any of their impacts.
What was the data the the original order conditions 95 2000 >> but what's the date of the uh certified plan if that's >> uh it was issued April 25th 2007
and the final revision date for their plan is February 4th 2007. >> Okay. All right. Anything else Mason? Uh that's it. So this is their their existing here and then the proposed with
the deck and I can share the photos as you guys kind of start with uh start with questions. >> Okay. All right. Questions from the members. Mary questions for Mason on this request. >> U Mason, were there any special
conditions in the order of conditions? There was nothing that I found that kind of gave any more detail on the planting plan and things like that, but I can pull it up as well. >> But do you think why do you think there was a planting plan? >> Uh ju I don't know what was there. Well,
we have their pre-existing conditions and then after. So, normally with new impacts, we have some sort of mitigation planting. Um and I just I didn't see it memorialized on their plan. Um, and with it being this old, you know, it's
>> might not have been required in 2007. >> Right. Right. >> Thank you. I have no other questions. >> Thank you, Mary Woody. Any questions on this project? >> No, not this, not this time, Bob. Thanks. >> Thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions on this project? >> No questions, Bob. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Mick. Harry, any questions? >> No questions, Bob. >> Frank, any questions? >> No. Thank you, >> David. Any questions? David, you might be on mute if >> Oh, sorry. No, no questions.
>> I have no questions. All right. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Okay. Seeing none, do any members have requests for a site visit or additional information? I hear none. I I will entertain a motion
to issue a certificate of compliance for four BMI way. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick. >> I
>> Frank. >> Yes. >> David, >> yep. >> And Bob Connor is both. All right. So next matter is 254. Hang on one second.
Okay. Next matter is D file number 0501312 254 Middle Road. The applicant is submitting a request for a minor modification to approve plan for dark float installation followed by the request for certificate of compliance to
be issued. Kind of a strange request to combine the two at one time. Mason, why don't you give us give us an overview on this if you would? >> Yeah, so this was in front of us a couple months ago um when we went to go close out and we um noticed that the configuration of the floats was
different than what was approved. Um, so we kind of sent Tom and the applicants back to review and kind of give us some more information on what the impacts of the new configuration would be, finding some reasoning for why they were um, installed the way they were not
according to the approved plan. Um, so Tom has reached out um, with some information for us um, requesting a minor modification of the configuration of the floats. Um, and then pending the board's approval of that minor modification, um, they're looking to close out.
>> Okay. So, this is the matter with this was the matter where it was T-shaped on the application and L-shaped was the end result. Tom, why don't you just hold for questions if anyone has any about that? >> Yeah. And actually, Mr. Chairman, it's
um L-shaped on the application. T-shaped was the result. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, and if I can just note the key thing is that the T-shaped uh installation is a few square feet. It's in my email, but I think it's um >> Yeah. No, you you had gone over all
that. Actually, less impact than what was originally proposed. >> Right. Right. >> So, let me do this Tom. Let me just put a hold and see if anyone has any questions. We'll just see if we can keep this moving. Mary, any any questions on this? >> I didn't review this one because it wasn't on the agenda that I reviewed.
So, um I I don't What was the address again? >> 254 Middle Road. >> Okay. >> So, it I should have Tom's email in um the folder. >> Do you have a copy of the plan? You know what, Tom? Maybe if you put up a copy of the plan that would Yeah.
>> help refresh. All right. So, we had an asbuilt uh done and uh and this is the configuration as installed on the docks. Um this property is a mode grass path uh to the
structure. Gang way takes you down to the to the floats. And uh I provided in my email the the the reason it was done as a tea was it it apparently it fit better when they were
doing the installation and the um dock sizes were off a little bit because at the time it was in the middle of the shortage of materials early on in COVID. It was at a time right after uh Newbury had lost an agent, didn't yet have one.
So, the contractor was just referred to the harbor master when he went into town hall uh to ask questions about that. But the um there's no change in impacts or anything like that. Basically, it was supposed to be an L conf L configuration coming out
here. Uh was what we had shown on the plants. Number of anchors, everything else is is identical. And the Other issue that we talked about when we first came in was the floats have been stored in the marsh by the prior owner. We've talked to the new owner. They fully
understand they they need to be brought up um into the upland area. And these docks are made of plastic and they're actually really light. So, it's an easy carry to take out right by the bridge abutman um section by section and bring
up the road. Um you know, two to four people would be needed to do it. So, um, >> and Tom, as I recall too, the the actual footprint of the T-shape was less square footage than the proposed L-shape.
>> Yes. Yeah. And that's because the um the original plan was um for uh I think one six one 6x8 or no, one 4x8 and a couple 6x8s. And what was used was the only
thing they could get in stock were these easy dock plastic docks that have 2 in of draft. Um, and come they're like Legos and they just snap together in different orientations. Uh, so it ends up just because of the fractional
difference in sizing that it ended up being less square footage. >> All right, let me hold you there, Tom. Mary, any other questions? Are you comfortable doing a minor modification in the COC at the same time? >> So the minor mod is to allow the
different configuration essentially that than what was on but just a couple quick questions. So this is in ACC correct? Um yeah and this is so this is to to remind the commission during permitting
uh the pro the original property owner it was an estate and they uh part of giving a huge amount of property to the state fish and wildlife department was getting
an easement to install uh the dock where the family dock had and >> 30 years ago and selling the rights to that with the original house. So there's a significant mitigation on this and there's a CR on the remaining property
that um that went with the house. So the house has kind of a zone of curlage around it but then the rest of the property that is owned by the new homeowner is uh has got a lot of great environmental restrictions to it. So
>> Okay. So, so I'm assuming then that all that all the fixed structures, permanent fixed structures are above mean high water and everything else is seasonal. Okay. >> And then the only other objection or concern I have is mowing it look what
looks like salt marsh >> to provide. >> Yeah. No, so it's it's no the you see the um the aselt actually has the wetland line shown that is the salt marsh line. So, this is actually an upland area here. Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. Then, thank you. I'm all set. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. Woody, any questions for Tom on this? >> Uh, no questions for Tom. They were just answered. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions for Tom on this? >> No questions for Tom. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mick. Harry, any questions? >> No questions, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions? >> No, Mike. No questions, Bob. >> Thank you, Frank. David, any questions? No, Bob. >> And I have no questions. I have one more
question. Yeah, certainly ma'am. Ask um the ele the height of the dock. Did we This Asbelt doesn't show that. Was that required to be a certain height? Often they are. >> Um it was required to be a certain height that was looked at and there's a letter
from uh Steve Sawyer, I think, that went with the original COC request. And the structure, the only difference in the structure is the back ramp that comes down to the ground was a little bit longer to get a a slope that was actually more walkable. >> Okay.
>> Um but that's in the upland area. >> But yes, the the structure >> to us. >> Yes. And I believe it's through flow and it even is labeled here with throughflow decking. So it does have the the proper height above grade and the through flow. >> Okay. Thanks.
>> Good. Mary, anything else? No thanks. >> Okay. Uh, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Okay. Seeing none, do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information at this time? Seeing a lot
of shaking heads. No, >> I do not. >> All right. I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 254 Middle Road with that minor modification being accepted. So moved. >> Second.
>> Second. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick? >> I. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes.
>> And Bob Connor's votes? Yes. Okay. Next matter is a certificate of compliance for D file number 0504954 Cottage Road. The applicant is submitting a request for a certificate of compliance to close out an expired
permit. Mason, can you give us >> Mr. Chairman? >> Yeah. >> Um, if I may, um, I think you voted on the minor mod. Did you vote on the certificate of compliance for 254? >> Yes, we did. Yes, we did. >> Okay. So, both together. All right. Thank you. Sorry to interrupt. >> Nope. No problem. Okay. Mason, what's
going on at 54 Cottage Road? >> Yeah. So, we uh probably ringing a bell for everyone because we just issued an order condition from them a couple of weeks ago. Um, but this didn't come up when I was originally doing my kind of deed lookup and >> um you know, just over
>> 549 is a pretty old number. >> Yeah. So, it's uh September 11th, 2000 is when the permit was issued. Um the only record that I have from it was um I believe it's the closing attorney uh Kevin Joyce who had reached out um to
send me the original with the request for the COC. Um and on here it was recorded 11:22 2000. Um I had reached out to Mary to hopefully get a little bit of insight on who the engineers
were. Um, but I don't think that either of them nor their firm is around anymore. Um, so I don't have any approved plan set. All I have is the order of conditions here. Um, on the order of conditions, there are no
special conditions. So, um, a little bit difficult to kind of tell what the scope of the project was. Um but with us issuing um an order conditions for a raise and rebuild of that property, I thought this was uh just kind of good housekeeping at this point.
>> Yeah, I just cleaning up the title. All right. Uh questions from the members. Mary, any questions on this? >> No, I guess it's kind of moot if we're they're going to take that down anyway. Okay. >> And we got a new order of conditions anyway that they'll have to come back and get a certificate.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mary Woody. Any any questions on this one? No, no questions, Bob. Thank you. >> Okay, Mick, any questions? >> Yeah, my only question was that the new order would would still stand. >> Yeah, supersedes the close out of this one. >> Yep. No, then I have no other questions. Thank you, Bob.
>> Thank you, Mick. Harry, any questions? >> No questions, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions? >> Uh, no questions. Thank you. >> Okay, David, any questions? >> No, Bob. >> I have no questions. Are there any raised hands from the public at this
time? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 54 Cottage Road. >> So move. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary?
>> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick. >> I. >> Harry. >> Yes. >> Frank. >> Yes. >> David. >> Yes. and Bob Connor's vote. Chess. All right, that finishes up our certificates
of compliance. Doing pretty good, guys. We're uh 635. Okay. Request for a determination of applicability. First one is one of Corner's Court. The applicant is submitting an RDA for the installation of a hot tub and
alterations to an existing landscape features on Plum Island. Mason, could you give us uh an overview and a recommendation on this one? >> Yep. Uh so this is right off of Palm Island Boulevard. I'll start by sharing the existing photos just to kind of give
everyone an idea um of what we're looking at here. So this is a a mulched bed right here lined with cobble. Um this is kind of like a lawn at this point. It's it's mostly grass. There's a couple trees back here. Um and then this
cobble patio here. Um, this is just kind of a privacy wall here from my understanding or my memory. There's this deck doesn't extend and the end of the staircase is here. Um, and this is kind of the the scope of the project area here. Um, I will pull up the proposed
drawing now. This is going to be in the same orientation that we were just looking at the pre-existing photos here um for their proposed work. Um so they're going to be looking to keep this paver pathway here to the existing staircase and to
the existing deck back here. Um, the new additions are going to be or new alterations are going to include the installation of this hot tub. Um, which I believe is planning to go on blocks outside of the deck. Um, and if the deck
needs to be extended or if they make that decision, they'd be using helical piles for any of the necessary extension in this area. Um this grass area here is proposed to do uh proposed to be crush stone. Um and then have native plantings in this area. Um and they would do the
same alteration to that mulch bed in the back as top dress it with some sort of crush stone. Um and then kind of revamp the planting area with some native plants, shrubs and trees in this area as well. Um this is what they have proposed
for new alteration here. this Keystone uh kind of sitting area with the cobble edging um from other projects that we've had come through. I think the cobble edging um is probably something that we would recommend um the applicant stay
away from. Um but besides that, I think um quantifying, you know, the amount of plants that we're going to have, the cover in these areas um and then just making sure that they have native species where they propose plantings um is what I would be recommending. Um,
>> do they do they have a a schedule of plantings they're proposing or are they just going to follow the coastal zone management allowed plants? >> Yeah. So, my plan was to uh Ross Ross Murphy is the one who's working on this project. Um, he's done other projects down the island where we've shared list
with him and so I think that was the plan is once we get maybe a quantity of plants established um he'll look through that list and and probably work with the homeowner to see what what's going to best fit there. >> Okay. Is there anyone from the applicant here to answer questions?
>> Yep. Ro uh Ross Murphy is here. >> Okay. Ralph, why don't you just give us your your your name and your uh position on this project, then just hold for questions from the members if you would. >> Yes. Uh so my name's Ross Murphy and um
I would be the one doing the work for this project. >> Okay, Ross. So, why don't you hold there and I'm going to open this up to questions from the members? Okay, questions from the members. Mary, any questions for Ross on this proposed
work? >> Uh, yes. So, will the hot tub be elevated? So, it's how will it be supported? Is it on on >> So, >> on the deck or is it on on peers or something?
>> So, the hot tub, they would like it to be flush with the deck. So, it' be more so ground level on the base of the hot tub. Um, but I wasn't sure what you allow for the base itself,
whether it be >> Mason mentioned it was going to be on blocks originally. Was that your was that your understanding, Russ? >> So, I I think I originally said concrete, but I wasn't sure what you guys allow with concrete or I said
crushed stone. um like 3/4 crushed stone um to set the hot tub on on the ground. >> You can't just put it on the deck that's there or what? I'm confused. Is there not a deck in that little spot? Is it open?
>> So, yeah. So, the deck So, right Yeah, right now it's open. >> Okay. >> And then they would build the deck. I'm not building the deck. I wouldn't be building the deck, but once the hot tub's installed, they would build it would be behind that wall right there. And then where that staircase is
>> Mhm. >> where that on the left hand side staircase that would extend like and wrap around the hot tub behind this privacy wall. >> So like the hot tub. >> So there's some work sh that's proposed
that's not shown on the plan. Yeah. Yes. But not work from in that I would be doing for my project. >> Okay. >> I would just be handling the pad for the hot tub. >> So now it's Mary. It looks like Put that
picture back up. Uh >> yep. >> Mason. >> I was going to share this back up. I think I uh I >> because it looks like the hot tub. That's all cobble right there. That's existing, right? >> Yeah. And I think from what Ro Ros Ros
Ross is saying is they would look to extend the deck here and I think he shows that in his drawing but I I misrepresented that. Um but if you know if this could be raised on blocks on the four corners and then the deck be built around you know with with helicals. Um I
think that >> I mean I think the plan needs to represent the work for us, >> right? >> Is there is there an updated plan Ross on this? Well, he's landscaping, so he's not plan, right? So, we need another plan
showing what the rest of the work is, right? >> So, um I actually had a few more things to point out. >> Sure. >> As for the whole scope of work, just to see if it's uh what's okay with you guys. Um so, at the bottom there at the
entrance, that's where you would enter like the property. So that's the cobblestone, but >> that's what's there now. >> The cobblestone cobblestone is existing, but we would like to
>> remove that and install new >> pavers. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, so >> basically >> some of the work that's been done out there right now is sort of non-compliant. And so what part of what
you're asking to do is increase the non-compliance because the cobblestones shouldn't be there to begin with and we don't typically allow pavers uh on the coastal dune. So putting in the stone, the crush stone or
pestone, not crush stone, but the pestone is not a problem. But the I do have an issue with the pavers and I think that that pro that plan is a little bit confusing because it's hard to tell what's proposed and what's already there. So you want to expand the amount
of coverage of the hard structure it looks like around that fire pit >> if we could. >> Mhm. Okay. or or or if we could more so
replace the existing layout with new up to-date pavers. >> So Mary, I think we need a better plan incorporating everything, >> but yes, but with some guidance about what what's permitted out there. >> Yeah. No, I think that if they get the
the cobbles, if they're existing, they're a non-conforming uh yard feature, but we should know the square footage so that it's not exceeded. >> Well, when do we know when the cobbles were put in?
>> I do not. >> Put in by the current owner. >> From the looks of it, I think it's original. because it, you know, at some point it becomes a
violation. So, it's just >> Well, if it was new, I I would I totally agree. It wouldn't be allowed. >> That's why I kind of want to know what, you know, time frame for >> when this was done, how long it's been in place, and whether
it's it's, you know, three years or 10 years or >> so. I think we need a bit more information on this one. Yeah, I think we need an updated plan showing the entire scope of the work uh not just the landscaping plan. And I think that in
the square footage of Hardscape that's existing and if they can so that I mean in the past we've we've allowed no additional square footage of hardscape but if it was pavement it
wanted to go to pavers or something else we we have entertained that but with no net gain. Uh to your point Mary if they were put in yesterday uh they'd be in violation. So you want to kind of determine that. But >> yes, >> I think the deck, the deck, the hot tub,
we need square footage. We should have a plan schedule, what you're proposing for plants and and come back because this is hard to do as an RDA with open issues like this. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, Russ, we we we need more detail. We need square footages. If the deck is the deck should already have it the square the measurements on it. If you're expanding it should be what's proposed. It should be if you're putting
it on helical piles. It should be a notation. >> I'm not the deck. I have nothing to do. >> No, I I understand but it it you're talking about you're doing stuff for the hot tub and moving X or Y. The applicant needs to have a complete plan
identifying all work they're proposing to do. We can't do this peacemail. >> Okay. >> And no to do have the applicant talk to Mason and I think he can offer some guidance and what we need.
>> Okay. We'll do. >> Okay. So, Mason, why don't we just put this on for next meeting and see if they're ready to go. All right. Next matter. Uh 82 Northern Boulevard. Applicant is submitting an RDA for the placement of
compliant material and existing driveway parking area as well as a removal and replacement of existing wooden staircase with a new spiral staircase. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this matter?
>> Yep. Just pulling up some photos. All righty. So, this is the work area right here. Um, this is the staircase that is proposed. Can I not zoom on this? Um, proposed to be removed and replaced with the spiral staircase here.
>> Okay. And then this is kind of the extent of the existing driveway area that they use for parking and are looking to put um either crush stone or crush shell in this area just to kind of memorialize
this parking area. Um so let me pull up the plan that they have for the spiral staircase. Everyone see this? >> Yep. >> So, this is what they'll be replacing it with. There's a spiral staircase that
kind of goes straight down from the corner of that building, so it won't be coming as uh close to the the front property line there. Um this is an existing concrete um sonar tube and then the new staircase will be anchored by a helical pile. Um this is kind of the
over top view here. Um so it's um towards the end of the deck but not stretching out as as far as the previous staircase was. and then picture of what's proposed.
And then believe they laid out the dimensions of the driveway, but just let me pull that up. A little bit clearer of a view here of the parking area.
So doing grass coming up to about this line here. red line and then the proposal would be in blue here. So, they're not expanding their driveway area. They're refreshing
the surface. >> Correct. Yeah. No. Uh there's no expansion or disturbance of vegetation in the area. It's it seems like it's been historically used as as parking for them. >> Okay. Why don't Why don't we stop there?
Is there anyone here for the applicant tonight? If you if you are, if you could just give us your name and your position on this project. >> Hi, my name is uh Lisa Soup. I'm the owner of 82 Northern Boulevard with my husband, Matthew.
>> Okay. Well, Lisa, why don't you hold and let's see if we have any questions from the members for you? >> Sure. >> Okay. Uh Mary, questions uh for Lisa? >> No, it seems pretty straightforward. I mean I you know the stair stairway with the helical makes you know it's minimal
impact and provided that material that's used in the parking area is compatible um material with the beach that's fine with me. >> Okay. Thank you Mary Woody. Any questions for Lisa on this matter?
>> No as stated it seems pretty straightforward. refreshing of parking lot, replacement of the stairs with as described. Looks good. >> Okay. Thank you, Whitty. Mick, any questions for Lisa on this? >> Hi, Lisa. Um, am I on mute? No, no, no. I'm not on
mute. Excuse me. So, there's no expansion of the deck at all, right? The deck's going to remain >> correct >> as is. >> Correct. Um, so what uh the current staircase is it's very steep. um
dangerous in my opinion. Um so what we're going to do is just kind of end the staircase and then just um >> where it is now and then the spiral will just come down on the second stansion of the existing deck. If you see in this
picture, I think the deck has five five stansions. Um right, >> the spiral would actually be at that second um stansion and it's going straight down into sand. Um, and there at the end we would just take um the
railing and um kind of wall it off um where the existing uh staircases right now. >> Yeah, I think that was kind of my question. Just you're not going to extend the deck to the extent of the stairs. You're going to end the deck like at the top of the stairs there by
that white door. >> Correct. Yes. Yeah. >> And then our our main entrance is going to be um this ground level door. Um the spiral staircase would just be um emergency, our secondary access, but our
main entrance is in and out through um the ground level and we use an interior staircase which is it looks like a concrete pad in front of that that lower door. You're not going to change that or anything. Just that's all going to remain. Uh yes, that would
remain. Um I I do not think that it's attached um to the house. Um if we could slide it down and center it, that would um I think aesthetically look a little bit better, but I'm not sure. Um
we haven't gotten that. I mean, we're we definitely are going to keep the concrete pad. We need some sort of it's there. Um, >> yeah, it gives a place for landing for the stairs as as they are now. I can see the purpose of it, >> right? >> That's that's all I had. No, I appreciate the clarification on that.
Thank you. Otherwise, it looks pretty straightforward and it's actually kind of a um, you know, I think this the spiral staircase seems like less impact to me as Mary said. >> Yeah, I agree. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mick. Harry, any questions for Lisa on this one?
>> Nope. No questions, Bob. >> Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions for Lisa on this one? >> No questions. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Frank. David, any questions? >> Nope. Straight forward to me. >> Okay. I do not have any questions.
Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. I will do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information at this time? I see a lot of
shaking heads. Not I >> No, I just have a couple special conditions. >> Okay. Do you want to talk about those now, Mary? >> Just um that the parking lot not be expanded beyond the current parking limit and not affect any vegetation and
that the driveway material, parking lot material is would p what are we saying? Peace or clamshell are the acceptable materials? Is there something else that I'm >> Yeah, I think like anything 3/4 stone or
less to be what's been >> 3/4 stone or less. Yeah. So, it's just stone. It's not We're not looking for compacted crushed stone. We're looking for >> Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be good. >> Compacted gravel >> or sight pack as we might call it in the
>> Okay. All right. Uh, I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for 82 Northern Boulevard uh with a couple of notations that Mary has just mentioned. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes.
>> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick? >> I >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor's vote yes. Thank you, Lisa. >> Great. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Okay, next matter is another deter RDA uh 129 Northern Boulevard. The applicant is submitting an RDA for an upward expansion of an existing home and the removal and reconfiguration of existing staircases and entryways. Mason, can you give us an overview
uh a recommendation on this and pitches or whatever else you have? >> Yep. I'll start with a quick overview. Um, so this is the site. Uh, it's Northern Boulevard. We are on, um, the opposite side of the road that we were just on, looking at, 82. Um, and here we
are going to be removing and kind of reconfiguring some of these stairway areas. So, this one that I'm putting a big red X over here, um, is an existing kind of walkway or mud room on a full foundation. Um, that's being proposed to
be removed. This area here is a small kind of elevated bumpout that sits above the ground. From my understanding, this is also proposed to be removed as well as this side staircase here. Um, this front staircase will be removed, but
it's going to be kind of repurposed into a mud room. Um, that'll roughly figure that con uh um configuration. Um, but I'll show some photos of the existing conditions and then we can go back to the proposed plan. Um, and and open it
up to the applicant after that. So, let me pull up the photos. >> You know, Mason, hold I I see Maren Harold is on is on the uh the meeting. Mhm. >> Maren, we we addressed the communication
with the planning board at the beginning of the meeting. Uh and it'll be sent out forth with just so you're not hanging around. >> Thank you. I appreciate that, Mr. Chairman. >> Okay. >> Have a good night. >> Yep.
>> All right. Uh so to the existing conditions here, this is one of the staircases that's proposed to be removed as we'll see in the proposed plan. This screen porch to the left is proposed for upward expansion uh within the same footprint. These are existing concrete
sonar tubes. So it was my recommendation um to the builders that as uh work be done on this upward expansion that those be replaced with helical piles. Um so this is where that upward expansion is going to be happening. Um from my understanding it's going to be nothing
outside of the footprint. Um, another thing that is that was noticed about this lot is there's not a lot of kind of untouched vegetation or barren sand with a lot of developed areas, whether it be mulch bed or the the crush shell driveway. Um, even in the backyard as
well. Um, so this is the side staircase um to the right of that overhead view that we're looking at that's proposed to be removed. And then this is the back area here. So, this elevated bumpout will be removed and so will this small entryway that's
on the full foundation. There's more kind of areas around the side here. Um, and now I will pull up the proposed plan where they
have put in a new staircase in the back here. Um this is where the upward expansion is going to be going and it's going to be coming just outside of the existing corner of the building to attach to this
covered entry here. Um these squares here you can see they've identified the locations of their helical piles. Um and then a new front staircase out here. Um, so the reason I was thinking about keeping this as an RDA um, as there's a
reduction in footprint, I didn't see um, that there was a need for any mitigation planting or anything like that. Um, and for the most part, they're staying within the footprint or there's a reduction of, you know, the overall footprint on this on this lot. Um,
>> yeah. So, that's what I got. >> Okay. Who uh, who's speaking for the applicant on this, Mason? Hi. Uh, good evening. Uh, for the record, my name is Bill Nolan from Seavoy Nolan Architects. Uh, I'm the architect on this project and, uh, here
representing uh, the owner. >> Okay. All right. William, why don't you uh, hold and see if I'm going to open this up to questions from the members. And I think is there anything you wanted to add? Did Mason do an accurate job of the scope of the work?
>> He did a very good job. Uh just uh just a couple things. Uh the um there's a an existing masonry chimney. It's it's only 16 by 16 uh on the side of the building uh near the existing mechanical room.
Yeah. Right where Mason has his um Yeah, it's up a little bit and it's a little bit smaller. Uh that's also being removed. And the um in the covered entry is an open air port. It does have a roof on it, but it's not enclosed. So other
than that, um, A+. >> Okay. All right. Why don't I open this up to members from the questions from the members? I have a dyslexia or planning dyslexia here tonight. Mary, any questions for Bill?
>> I might I might have missed it, but that covered entry, it looks like it's quite a bit bigger than what the removal of the the um the bumpouts. Am I missing? >> Yeah. So, so I have um Am I able to
share my my um screen? >> Yep, I can. Uh >> y >> I'll switch it over to you. Should be all set now. So, are you guys able to see this? >> There we go. >> Yeah. So um so just I can skip to the
end and we've calculated uh the existing structures all of it to be removed totals um about 152 square ft and what we're proposing to put back is about 116. So the chimney the uh deck uh the uh
bumpout this is a bulkhead um and has a full foundation that leads down to the basement that's going to be removed. That's where we're picking up a significant amount of um square footage. This deck in in uh shaded uh is roughly the same size as this. So, it's kind of
a one for one swap. And you're right. Um this uh small little porch here and stairs um is bigger than the porch that we're removing here. But when you total um this and uh the bump out, we're we're under by about close to 40 ft square
feet. Thanks. I I saw six hill uh peers on the plan that Mason just showed and I thought those were on the side of the propert the the house. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, there's an existing um um just going to show you this is a photo. Are you guys seeing the photo?
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh this is the existing house right here. This portion of it and it's like an L-shaped directly below these windows and um this screened in porch here. We're proposing to put a second level on the whole whole structure including this
part. >> This part right under >> do that. Okay. >> Yeah. And right now they're 8 in concrete um peers. We're um we're not we're we're under the assumption that we won't be able to use those. Uh so at our
site visit with Mason um he suggested that we um put in some helical piles for that. And in addition to that, um, also for the, um, for the decks as well, we're going to put in, uh, two helical piles for the front deck and for the
rear deck, uh, to support the deck. So, everything going in will be on helicals. >> Okay. And you can also use steel driven piles. >> Piles. Yeah, the helicals are way cheaper and easier. So, >> Okay. Um, yeah. That and is this
property being conveyed or is it staying in the same ownership? Is this is this a new >> uh Yeah, my my client bought it and he he intends to live here. >> Okay. >> He and his wife. >> Okay, great. Just I would encourage them the landscaping that's on the site now
is um doesn't contain much of any native vegetation, native beach vegetation. And so as they make improvements to the property, we'd love to see that kind of improvement and um >> yeah, >> the concrete walkway and things like
that, you know, that as they're living there. I'm not saying that we would make it a condition of this work, but >> as they move ahead, it would be great to see those improvements. >> Yeah, no doubt. I I think if you saw a uh I don't have an image of it, but the
um the rear yard in particular has got astroturf down on it. It's old. Um I' I've done actually a couple projects with this owner. He owns um several properties um in and around Cape. Um and uh and he takes really good care of all
of them. So I I would would I I would expect that um a landscaping plan that that is sensitive to the environment um is is coming. Um we we have a couple hurdles to jump over. This is the first hopefully minor one. Um, and then we are
also applying to the ZBA next week uh with a uh with a um a finding uh for from the ZBA. So, we're going to get through hopefully get th those get permission to do the project and then we'll really go into um the
fine-tuning designing. >> Okay, great. >> So, we may see you again for the landscaping plant. >> Uh yeah, hopefully. >> Okay, Mary, anything else? No thanks. >> Okay. If chime in, McMary if you have
any other questions. Woody, any questions for Bill on this submittal? >> I don't have any questions at this time. It was well explained. Thank you. >> Gee, thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions for Bill on this? >> No. No. I think Mary covered it. Um, I'm good. Thank you. Thanks, Bob.
>> Thank you, Mick. Harry, any questions for Bill? >> Uh, no, not at this time, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions for Bill? >> No. No questions. Thank you. >> Okay. And David, any questions uh for Bill Nolan? >> No, no questions, Bob.
>> Okay. And I do not have any questions at this time. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information at this time? >> I do not. Hearing none, I will entertain
a motion to issue a negative finding uh on 129 Northern Boulevard. >> So moved. Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick, >> I >> Harry?
>> Yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor is vote chest. Thank you, Bill. >> Thank you. Good night, everyone. Okay, we have another request for determination of applicability for
Binmar Way. The applicant is submitting an RDA for the creation expansion of a parking area in the rehabilitation of unveated portions of the coastal dune. Mason, can you give us an overview on this one? >> Yep. Uh so this is the property that we
had looked at earlier. Um they are going to be proposing the expansion of a parking area um which I will show here. Let me know when you guys can see this >> building.
>> Yep. So, this over here, as you can see where the truck is parked, this is their normal parking area. Um, and it seems like this has been used kind of as street parking or they pull off to the side and park in this area pretty commonly as well. Um, so these pictures
kind of outline this area here that they're looking to expand their parking use. Um, and my suggestion to the homeowner was that um, he mitigate his
um, in the open area that he has out back. So, I can pull up the pictures of that area. I've sent him over the um coastal planting list for his review um to see >> what what he would be interested in. But
here is the area here. So, the parking area that we were just looking at in reference to this photo is going to be down this way. Um, and then this area up top is pretty
barren and could definitely benefit from some native coastal plantings which we can see in this area. Um, so I think he was thinking about um a shrub layer and an herbaceous layer. Uh, thinking some beach grass and then maybe something a
little bit taller um to just give them a little bit more privacy from the abuing house. Um I I think it's plenty of room in here um for for him to offset any of the new impacts that he has by the street side. Um the only thing I would recommend is
that we and I think he may have this um in the submission, but the rough square footage of what he's proposing and then that could be checked with me after once he gets a more formalized plant list together so we can figure out what's going to what's going to be filling in
that area. Okay. So, he's proposing a reestablishing parking on the side, but he's going to give you the square footage of that. >> Y and that'll be the metrics for the mitigation planting out back. >> Right. And he's drawn it out. Um Okay.
On on this plan here. >> Okay. Good. Where is the tree Mason on that? Is it >> looking at the proposed work area? That's the >> be just to the right of that proposed work
area. >> Let me see. It's right off of the corner of the house. So, I think that tree is going to be somewhere in here. And that's based on this picture here.
>> Okay. But going back to that plan, it said proposed deck of 10 by 30. Was that Oh, that was the previous I got you. >> Yeah, he just he used his old plan. >> Yeah, he was closing out the the old order. Gotcha. So that tree kind of runs close to in
line with the corner of the house here. And then in the proposed plan, he has So, I I think that tree is probably somewhere right in this area. Uh, that being said, I think him keeping the tree and and
kind of keeping that tree well around it. I don't think he's going to be gaining any additional parking, per se. I don't I don't think he uh I don't I don't want to speak for him, but I don't think they were intending to remove it or >> It looks like they're really refreshing
an area that they've been using. >> Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. I think if we can quantify the square footage of the refreshed or expanded parking area just so we have a metrics for you know the
mitigation planting. >> Mhm. >> Did he give us a number on that? >> The this rough site plan has some dimensions but uh >> looks like under 200 square feet is what he's looking at.
this 10 by 20. I'm just >> Yeah, this back line here 20. This is 33. So, I mean, I I I think the this is a cross between a refresh and
and an expansion. If the refreshed area is 200 square feet or less, Mary, what do we what do we normally do? One and a half to one for mitigation just for a success rate. Yeah, it's unclear to me whether the tree is coming down or or um they're
going to try to save it, in which case the parking area is going to be functionally lot smaller than what they're showing. >> Um but it's another one of these cases where I think um maybe the filing needs to be uh thought through a little bit more
because I would like to see where the where the mitigation is going to go, how much, and what's going to be planted there >> so we know what the tradeoff is here. Um it's just there's there's not a lot of information provided here. >> Okay. So Mason, it it seems and I'm
going to go to round to everybody for for their thoughts as well. It it seems Mason won the question of the tree, the define the area of what they want to refresh or expand uh and with with the square footage and
then the locations in a general terms in the back end with a mitigation of one and a half to one. >> Yep. And it should be pretty simple to do. Who uh who is the applicant on that? And is he on the call? >> Jay Martell is the applicant. I don't
see him on the call tonight. >> Okay. Why don't you reach out to him and and just tell him we need we need a little more information. >> Yep. >> And but let me just go around uh Woody. Any any other information you'd like to see on on this submitt?
>> No, you guys are hitting the nail on the head. Just a little more information, clarification. >> Okay. Thank you, Whitty. >> Treating what? >> Mick, what about yourself? Any any additional? >> Yeah. No, same. Just uh, you know, uh, plan with calculated square footages of
>> replacement versus, you know, new cover. Uh, yeah, just more clearly defined. That's all. Thank you. >> You know, even a reference to Mason that the P plant selection will match the coastal zone management's approved, you know, plant list. >> Okay. And we just have him identify the
the area. >> Yeah. And then it if he's planting dune grass, just mark that out. If he's planting privacy wall wants credit for it, just long as it's referenced to match coastal zones, bushes, that'll be fine. Uh
Harry, questions or any additional thoughts you have on this? No, no further comment, Bob. It just just like I I I feel that the owner should be here talking to us that we're not spinning our wheels guessing. Is the tree coming down? The tree not coming down or what what is he doing in the
backyard? So, um Mason, if you can ask him to participate, that would be great. >> Yep, definitely. >> Thanks. >> Okay. Uh Frank, any questions? >> No thanks, Bob. Okay, David, any any questions?
>> No, no questions, Bob. >> Okay. I don't So, Mason, why don't we put this on the next meeting schedule? Yep. >> Reach out to the the applicant, give them a heads up on what we're looking for, >> and we'll move on to our next matter. >> Sounds good.
>> Uh I I see Heidi Gaffne. Heidi, we took care of the communication to the planning board at the beginning of the meeting. Oh, excellent. Thank you. I just just got home, so I figured I'd pop on, but
thank you for letting me know. >> Okay, have a great night. >> Checking in, too. >> Bye. >> Byebye, Heidi. Thank you. Okay, next matter is a continued public hearing. Let me just make sure we're not missing anything. A continue public
hearing. D file number 0501460, 45 Boston Road. applicant is submitting a notice of intent to expand existing boardwalk systems within or in proximity to bordering vegetative wetlands. Mason, can you give us an overview on this one?
>> Yep. Uh so believe where we last left off with this is we had asked the applicant to quantify um their impacts and separate it into what's going to be wetland impacts and what's going to be upland impacts um so that they can kind of get some more details on um how much
mitigation planting they're going to have to do. So let me I'll just go kind of one by one on each of the four bridge sites identify some of the um new calculations that we got and then um from there we can go to questions if
that works for you guys. So this is bridge spot number one. So the delineation was completed. I went out and reviewed the delineation and then went out into the field with Ned um as we measured um the total length of
the existing boardwalks um and then where the expansion was going to go in terms of our wetland line. So what was going to be considered um impacts in our wetlands and then impacts in in the adjacent buffer zones.
So for this one here, we can see um our bridge line is in yellow. Our delineation is in purple on either side. Um our proposed footprint is 240 with an existing of 168. Um so there's 54 square ft of new buffer zone impact and 18
square ft of new wetland impact. >> And then we have our total wetland impact here of of what's going to be new and then what's existing. And so this will all be calculated and or this has all been calculated and put into their their final mitigation number. Um but I
I can just kind of flip through these these four bridges. Um, just to make everyone aware this is section two here. Just a little bit more. So again, our yellow line is our bridge line, our
purple is our delineations, and then we have our numbers here. the existing proposed impacts in the wetland and the buffer zone and then the total wet wetland impacts of the existing and the proposed.
So that is our bridge location number two. Mason, is there an overall plan showing all of this on one one sheet or is it >> I don't think so, just because they're they're pretty spaced out. >> Oh, okay. I got you.
>> The site itself is decently big. So, here's our our bridge site three here with our impacts. No, no new wetland impacts here. This is just buffer zone. And I'll pull up the final one and I
will share the mitigation plan. This one's quite a bit shorter, but existing is 63. Opposed is 105. 42 ft or 42 ft of new impacts, 21 being
wetland, 21 being buffer zone. And so after calculating the new wetland impacts, Ned got together and put together their BVW restoration plan,
which I will share here. And I can pass it off to Ned if he has anything to add or if he wants to answer any questions from the commission. I think the only thing we may want to identify is the areas in which um the
restoration is happening. >> Okay, Ned, why don't you just give us uh your name and your position on this project? >> Yeah. Uh I'm Ned Darling. I'm with the Trustees of Reservations. Um I'm the trail specialist for the region for the organization. Um, and this is basically
this is a system of I it's I think boardwalk is kind of a glamorous term. It's more of a bogw walk, like a bog bridge. Um, and these have just not really been that well, they're at they're at end of lifespan basically. Um, and we've gotten several complaints
from um, visitors to the property about the state that they're in. Um, I do have an over I do have an overview map showing the different sites in relation to each other, but as Mason said, they're not very close to each other. Um, because they're all along a section
of trail between Boston Road and Hay Street. I do have an overview map that's should be in the submittal package, but I also have it on my computer if that is helpful. Um, >> yeah, if you could share that, that'd be great. Uh, >> yeah. Yeah, there it is. Okay. Yeah, I
broke it down that I should note though that that's the total I believe those are the total impact total impact areas. Not it's not annotated the same way as the um as the maps that um Mason just went through.
Okay. Do we have a table with the impacts versus proposed mitigation? I don't >> we just so that last in the restoration plan he identifies the total square footage. >> Yeah, the total square footage I think
was 522 square feet for for the just that was just the wetland. That was just the I believe that was just the wetland impact. >> Okay. But what's the comparison? What's what's the total expansion versus
impact? Just what's the ratio? >> I think it just showed us like 660. Was it not 660? >> So I thought yes I I think that I think 660 was the was or around that was the
to was the number that was on the application. >> I think it just showed it on your previous plan. >> Oh, it was on there. Okay. Yeah. I think it was like about about 660 square feet. >> Okay, that's impact or is that mitigation?
>> I No, that would be that would be that would be total impact and the mitigation would be the 500 the 522 ft. >> Yeah. So, our our total bog bridge footprint is 666 ft and the
um total wetland impact and replica uh restoration is 522 feet. >> Yes. Okay. Ju I'm just curious why it's less than the impact and usually we require a one >> some I think some of the impact is is
buffer zone. >> Oh okay. >> They're they're justing the the direction >> is that but is it >> 25 50 100 foot buffer. What's the >> these are all within the 50 foot buffer because it's it's just outside the the actual resource area.
>> But we don't have a breakdown of the wetland to buffer. It was on the plan on the individual crossing pages. >> I'm a big fan of the B bridges. It keeps everybody where you want them rather than wandering. >> Yep.
>> Let me just pull these up again. One second. >> Just quick question if I can interject. >> Yeah. Uh Ned, what's like the existing construction now? And uh just while Mason's bringing up some plans, like are they,
you know, what what are the bridges constructed of and what are you proposing? Uh yeah. So the the the bridge construction it's uh it's it's sitting on it's basically we buy roughs on we buy roughs on hemlock
um for the deck boards um from a local mill and then we're using we're using pressuret treated mud sills um and they're three feet long and that's where we get the that's where we get the the square footage is from. It's just whatever the linear distance is times
three. Okay. >> So, they're sitting on piles basically that you're >> No, they're they're not even they're just sitting on So, the sills are just the cross pieces that just sit directly on the ground. So, there are no there aren't going to be piles or there aren't going to be piles or anything uh
attaching those to the ground. It's just the weight of the structure. >> Yeah. Okay. And the So, you're putting them all and you're placing them on handlock planks basically, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay, while we're figuring out the the
buffer and versus wetland impact, David David Clifford has his hand up. And David, what's your question? >> Hi, Ned. Um, just a quick question. And again, I'm I'm new to the conservation committee, so maybe may have already been discussed, but why are you expanding? Why can't you just replace in
kind the same square footage for all of the existing bridges? Um, so I think to answer your question, David, um, it has a lot to do with how the foot traffic is impacting the buffer zone right now because the the those wet
areas um have expanded over time. Um, and so there's there's greater impact happening in the in the buffer zone because people are walking on that like moist soil instead of walking on the raised walking surface of the bog
bridge. >> Okay. >> Um, so that's basically Yeah, that's basically why it's expanding at all. >> Okay. No, thank you for the Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, David. >> Okay. So, have we determined the impact of buffer versus wetland?
I am going through that right now. >> I I guess my question really is is the wetland impact less than the 522 proposed mitigation. >> It probably is obviously. >> Yeah. Yeah, definitely. The the first one is 54 square feet of wetland impact.
Second is 42, third is 14. >> Okay. Fourth is 21. >> Okay. Yeah. No, I think you've you've answered my question on that. All right. Uh questions from the members. Mary, are you >> I I'm not I'm on this one, but I just
wanted to clarify before I >> um that everyone understands that the mitigation that's needed is only the additional square footage, not the not for the full new boardwalk lengths. >> Right. >> All right. >> But that's where the impact the 666
impact is >> because the boardwalks are not quite long enough to totally span the wet spots now. >> That's so they're just that's all. But they're being expanded by 660 square feet. >> No. >> No. >> That that includes the existing impact.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. >> Just that difference between the 540. >> Yeah. Know, Mary, thank you. That that >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That >> That's a very >> We have 188 square ft of new impact, 131 of it being wetland, 57 of it being
>> And you get 522 of mitigation. Got it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. Uh Woody, any questions that Mary, any anything else that you wanna >> Nope, I'm on on this one. >> Okay. Uh Woody, any questions uh for
FedE on this one? >> No, thanks for the presentation and it looks good. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Woody. Mick, any question? Any further questions on this one? >> No, no, thanks. Thanks, Dad. Looks looks like a beneficial project. >> Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mick. Harry,
any any further questions for Ned on this? >> Not at this time, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions for Ned on this submitt? >> No. Thank you. >> All right, David, any further questions for Ned on the submitt? >> No, that's good explanation. Thank you,
Ned, for your for explaining it to me. >> And I have no uh further questions. Thank you, Ned. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time, Mason? Seeing none. >> Okay. Do any members have a request for
a site visit or additional information at this time? >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing. >> So moved. Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All All in favor? Woody?
>> Yes. >> Mick. I. >> Harry. >> Yes. Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connors. Okay. Uh, Mason, what do you see for special conditions here,
if any? >> Um, I think we can condition it so that the restoration and mitigation that they're doing, the 522 ft. Um, those locations just be confirmed with with Ned and I out in the field when they when they end up bringing in the I think
>> so pre construction meeting with the with the agent. prior to start. >> Yep. >> And just have it flagged out for your for your inspection. >> Yep. Yeah. And that way when we go to close out, we can identify what areas were receded and how well they're doing and things like that.
>> Okay. Now, is there a bug mitigation management plan to maintain this that you're looking for, Ned, or do we have one in place for just your normal maintenance maintenance plan? >> I think sorry. >> Yeah. Um there's
it's it's kind of I I was talking to our I was talking to our team ecologist and um it's these are kind of interesting like wetland situations because there like when Mason and I were there last there was like active there was active
flow through them which is not something I've seen before. So, um I I I honestly I I I hope that using seeding will work. Um but I have some concern that it might just get washed out of the out of the
that of the seedbed. Um I I I'm not sure. I've never actually done the the I've never done the mitigation um aspect of this before, so I'd have to talk more with um the people who are more specialized at that at the trustees. Um,
but I yeah, I currently don't have a plan for managing it and I don't know if we if we do in in general. >> Okay. You know what? You may want to consider that. Is there any overgrown ve vegetation that you maintain to keep the
access to the bogmats? >> Yes. >> You know, viable. >> Yeah. >> Yep. I would just suggest in the future that you come up with a maintenance plan for that and get it incorporated into your your order of conditions. Okay.
>> We've done that on other Bogmats. What was that subdivision off of High Road across from Tender Crop Farm? >> Seagate. >> Yeah, Seagate. So, okay. Uh any any other questions? Any other special conditions?
Okay. I'm actually going to suggest Mason that the maintenance plan that was submitted for >> Seagate >> be incorporated as a special condition for this um that was one we pre-approved low maintenance I think it'll cover
everything Ned that you can possibly run into. >> But I I think having it part of your order of conditions now foregoes coming back or having an issue uh later. And can I just ask what the I I guess I'm I'm kind of I'm kind of uncertain as to
what you mean by the management by by the management plan >> maintenance plan. It you're going to be cutting brush as it overgrows coming >> to and from. >> Yeah. >> You're going to have normal maintenance of the bog mats, not replacement, but
>> um it it kind of just covered all of the normal maintenance and someone else did all the work for you. So, it's a pretty easy breezy way to add it into your order of conditions. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I can send that over, Ned, and we can change it to be sight specific for
Boston Road. So, we should be all set. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh, any anything else, Harry? Anything else? >> Nope. >> Uh, Mick, >> Woody, >> no. Good luck with the project. >> Okay, David, any anything else? No, no
other no further questions. >> Okay, Frank, how about you? >> No, no questions. Thank you. Okay. >> Anything else? Mason, you you want to incorporate into this? Uh, >> no, I don't think so. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue
an order of conditions for 45 Boston Road uh with the two special conditions that were just previously me mentioned. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick. Hi, >> Harry. >> Hi,
>> Frank. >> Yes, >> David. >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor's vote. Yes. Okay. Thank you, Ned. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Yeah. >> All right. Okay. General discussion. Dark materials on the Packer River. Mason, you had
reached out to DP on uh the difference between helical piles and wood pilings and sight specific to the Paka River. >> Yeah. Y what was your findings on that and what was your >> I think it was a lot of the stuff that kind of came up when we talked about 54
cottage um and you know I think the way that we conditioned and issued that order um they were pretty confident in and and thought that was was reasonable. Um, I've I've been getting calls from Ed Bole who does the uh pile installation
on the river and he is kind of wondering how to start those conversations with not only new conservation but also DP. Um, so I wanted to just kind of ask the board on um how we thought the best way to
approach that was and if he should be if they should just try and submit um what their requested changes are as an amendment. Um if this is something that we should have him come on for general discussion. Um just kind of curious on
on what the board thinks about that. I mean, we we ran into this. What was it? 54 Cottage. >> 54 Cottage. And I I think they're they're thinking about or wanting to think about doing the same alterations um at 7 Marshav with with that dock that
we approved as well. >> You know, we have the age-old dilemma. What what's going to last longer versus what has the least amount of impact? And somehow we're not in the same camp on both, but it it seems that the helical
piles have the least amount of impact in the area. >> Mhm. >> And it I thought that the way we come up with cottage road uh with wood could be done like you know like for like uh but abandoned wood piles would have to be
cut flush and any expansion or new pilings would have to be helical. But Mary, is that what that was pretty much an overview of what we kind of came up with. >> Yeah. I mean, D has a guidance document
for small peers and docs and they they kind of spell out what's >> what is presumed to be acceptable and what is not. Um, and so that would be a good reference, Mason, to >> Okay.
um it may not be as specific as he wants it to be, but there are occasions where helicals don't work. Um and and so there you have to provide alternative methods that and demonstrate that they're not
going to affect the marsh. >> But that's the first choice. helical um anchors for floats with flexible roads, elastic roads and you know floats with float stops or with legs on them to
prevent them from bottoming out. And then you know the the the width and height requirements for docks over marshes to allow light penetration are specified and um and materials you know they talk about creassote and
other materials. So, you know, I think it's going to be a situation where we're in a environment where helicals are are the first choice and they have to demonstrate why they're not going to be able to be used.
>> Gotcha. >> And the least and the impact that how do you offset whatever impact it is as well or something like that? Well, it's, you know, the way the regulations are worded, if you meet certain requirements for the dock specifications of the
boardwalk itself, you know, then it is presumed not to have an impact. >> You have to meet those requirements. And if you don't and there is an impact and you're impacting salt marsh, that becomes a problem. So, because there's no threshold for
alteration of salt marsh. >> Okay. So, I think why don't we do this? What was that document you referenced on small pier? >> Uh, I can send it around if you want to take a look at it. >> Well, no. What I want to do is just have Mason post it on our on our website.
>> Yeah, it's um >> I think I have it. >> Okay. >> Mass D guidance on small docks and peers. Yeah. >> Okay. Why don't we just use that as a reference, Mason? I think is makes the most sense to me and it's already
it's self-explanatory hopefully. Okay. Any any other thoughts on that? >> I I see Bill Hoffman here. Maybe he he I don't know if he's here for that particular agenda item or not. >> Is this uh is this the right one, Mary?
>> Yes. >> Okay. Does anyone else want to speak on this? >> No, this is Bill Hoff and I'm just checking in. I was just curious on this topic and I was just listening, but I have no further comment at this point. Thank you. >> Okay.
>> All right. Yeah, we really it's not kind of an agenda item. It's really more of a discussion. Um Okay. Any any of the members have questions on this? >> No. >> Okay. All right. Next matter is board reorganization. We had two new member uh
two members that have been reappointed to the board. I am going to be stepping down as chair. This is my finishing up my fourth year. And I have an interesting year of travel coming up. Uh that is going to get me out of state and
out of the country uh at least once once a month. Uh so I would make a suggestion if people would like to know. I would think that uh Mary's been avoiding being chair for the last four years. She could have it
anytime that she wants. U but I I would suggest that we consider Mary and Mick uh as chair and vice chair or in whatever capacity they uh would like to share or have a distinguished between.
But >> so why don't I open that up for questions? Yeah, that that's not a motion. I'm just opening it up. I don't want to foreclose anyone else's thoughts or discussion. Frank, do you Frank I think Frank wants to be chairman of the board now. He is getting ready to raise
his hand. >> It's a thankless job, isn't it, Bob? >> Yeah. You know what? With having >> that's going in the opposite direction of where I'm >> having having a a capable uh
a conservation agent makes the job a lot simpler and and thank you Mason. It's and having Mary I mean I'm a facilitator of the meeting more than anything else just kind of pushing the cat forward.
Mary's been doing all the heavy work other than, you know, taking the actual votes, but I just throw that out there for general discussion and and it's up to the commission uh which direction you want to go. Um I remove myself from
consideration. I've enjoyed being chair. It's this is a great commission, very collegial. I I think we usually come to the right decision and and I think that's a credit to everybody that's on the commission.
>> Well, you've done a great job, Bob. >> Yeah, we really appreciate your all your efforts. I I just wanted to throw out that I have one year left in my term and then I'm planning on stepping down. So, you know, it would be great to take this year to bring everybody, you know, as
much up to speed as possible. Um, and I'm happy to continue to serve as um, vice if Mick wants to have that chair position. So, >> um, to advocate for you, Mary, and shield
myself. Um, I think your experience just far exceeds mine as far as your expertise with with uh the legal side and and uh I would feel comfortable taking on a vice chair role to learn from you in the
in the upcoming year. Um I I know I have a lot to learn. So um that would I would be comfortable with that if you're willing to to mentor me over the next 12 months. Um I would welcome that opportunity. >> Sure. And I know that there'll be some meetings where I'm not going to be able
to attend. So, >> you get to >> be in the hot seat for a little bit. >> Yeah. No, running a meeting. I'm comfortable with that. Um, I've learned from some good ones and learned uh from Bob uh in the past three years on how to
conduct a good meeting and I think uh under Bob's, you know, direction, they've been very effective meetings. And >> uh but again just from the legal aspects I' I'd welcome an opportunity to to learn from you over the next year and when you and your commission
I could step in and fill that role. I mean, I would st I would suggest that remember I've run the meeting in the fashion I have because one Mason was brand new and then our previous agents
uh it just seemed to be more efficient to keep the keep the meeting moving. Uh but I I think there Mason could be introducing every agenda item uh and giving an overview and u and then basically the chair would just go with
the questions and stuff like that and Mason could keep everyone within the guide guard rails of >> where we're going. I think that I think that if the three of you got together, I I think you could figure it out and and have a really streamlined process with
with less work for all of you. >> I think you made a very good point, Bob, that uh things run very smoothly with uh with Mason's uh you know, a lot of Mason's uh help and assistance. So, >> um no, glad to work with both Mary and
and Mason. >> Well, I'm going to make this about as painless as I can. I'm I'm going to make a motion that uh Mary become chairman of the conservation commission and Mark and Mick become the vice chairman of the conservation commission.
>> So moved. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. Yeah. >> Okay. All in favor? Mary? You can't abstain. You can't right now. >> She's not saying anything. >> Okay. Woody. Frank. Yes. Nick. Harry,
Dave, Bob, >> we accept, right, Mary? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I I think that Mason can play a far bigger role than than than he has only because I've been kind of set in my
way of moving things along and he's certainly ready, willing, and able to do that. All right. Uh, anything else, staff reports or updates? Mason, >> I got nothing. Okay, it is now 7:48
and I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? Mary, Woody, Frank, Mick, David. >> Yeah. >> And Bob Connors. Thank you everyone. >> Thanks for all your >> Y. Thank you very much for all you've
done. >> Okay, guys. >> Thank you, Bob. >> Good night. >> Have a great night. Bye-bye.