Okay. Uh, good evening. My name is Bob Connors. It's 6:04 p.m., excuse me, 6:02 p.m. And I'd like to call the October 28th meeting of the new Greek Conservation Commission to order. Mason, can you please read the preamble to the remote meeting open law and take a roll
call of members present? As a preliminary matter, this is Mason Freer, conservation agent of the New De Conservation Commission. Please permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmatives. Mary Rimmer, >> yes. >> Mick Brown,
>> yes. >> Harry Trout, >> yes. >> Woody Knight, >> yes. >> Frank Wetenamp and Bob Connor. >> Yes. >> Good evening everyone. From this open meeting, the new reconeration commission is being conducted remotely consistent
with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020. Due to the current state of emergency in the Commonwealth in order to mitigate the transmission of the CO 19 virus, we have been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to suspend public gatherings. And as such, the governor's order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law to
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conducted by roll call vote. >> Okay. Uh, thank you, Mason. I I need to make an announcement. I'm saddened to share that TJ Ki, a valued member of the commission for the past four years, has passed away on October 15th. TJ had a
year-long battle with cancer >> and so he's going to be missed. TJ survived by his wife Lisa and four children and we will deeply miss him on the island and on the board. >> So, moving on. Upcoming meeting dates,
uh, November 5th and December 2nd. Just a reminder, due to quorum concerns, we'll only be meeting once a month in November and December. >> I'm sorry, did you say, Bob? November. >> November 4th and December. >> Thank you.
>> Yeah, November 4th and December 2nd. First Mon, first Tuesday, Mary, of December and November. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Meeting minutes review. Uh, October 7th meeting minutes. It's they're in the dropbox. Why don't we take a moment to review those? See if
there's any uh comments, concerns, or corrections. >> Okay. Any any comments, Tim? >> Nope. >> Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the October 7th meeting minutes as written. Second. >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Okay. >> Okay. So that's Harry and Woody. Okay. Uh roll call vote. All in favor? Mary? >> Uh I was not at that meeting so I'll abstain. >> Okay. Woody.
>> Yes. >> Mick. >> Hi. >> Harry. >> Yes. >> And Bob Khan is vote chair. So we had a quorum of that meeting. Okay. Okay, next order of business is a certificate of compliance, D file number 050137
84 Boston Road. Applicant is requesting a full certificate of compliance for a project that was permitted to construct a proposed office garage contractor's yard. Plan amendments were were made during the project and as built is
provided that highlights additional changes. Mason, can you provide us an overview on this and Yeah. So, they've requested a continuence again where we had left off last time. Um, they have some things that they need to address with the planning board to close out their site
plan review. So, they're going to be working on those. Um, and as they finish that up, they will be coming back to us with some more information. >> Okay. So, we're just going to put them on hold till they come back and ask to get back on or we just going to kick it to the uh November meeting?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I figured we've we've kicked it a couple meetings at this point. We should probably just wait until they reach back out and and request to be on the agenda again. >> Okay. Yeah, it doesn't require an actual motion to continue a certificate of
compliance. All right. So, it's going to be continued at the applicant's request. Okay. Next order of business is a certificate of compliance D file number uh 0501233
2 Northern Boulevard. Applicant is requesting a certificate of compliance of work that was never completed at two Northern Boulevard on Plum Island. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this matter? >> Uh yeah, so this is a site that
everyone's probably familiar with. that's right to the left of our public beach entrance. Um, and the applicant is filing a certificate of compliance as they are selling. Um, and they are, uh, submitting it as no work was completed.
So, um, the order of conditions has lapsed and has expired now and none of the work was started or finished. >> Okay. >> All right. Questions for members? Mary, any questions on this one? >> What was the work that was supposed to be done?
Um, so read it right from the order. [Music] One second. Um, I don't know why the plan is not on here. >> Yeah, sorry. I must have not scanned the
uh the plan in. I'll have to grab the the original file. Oh, it's 50-1233. >> Yes. >> Yeah. 1233. >> I'm just looking it up now. Single family home. Uh, so it was for the building.
>> Sorry. Go ahead. But >> yeah, the the 20 by 50 deck um replacement on the back side. And then they also proposed a freezer on a concrete pad and a concrete walk as well. >> Okay.
>> And you've confirmed none of that is in place. Yeah, I was there today in some photos. >> Yeah. At one point there was a large deck on the ocean side of that and during the bout of erosion back in
2010, 111 and 12. I take that back before that. This where they put the the quir bags in. It seemed the the erosion back then they were cutting 10 feet off that deck on an annual basis just to try to
maintain what they had. So I think they were trying to reduplicate that. But how old that's an what's the date on the on the order of conditions? I guess is 12. >> Uh it was issued
>> 2017. Okay. Well, is it just a quick question uh by Mary is is the proper process to issue a certificate of compliance or is can you resend the order of conditions?
>> Yeah, you can issue a certificate of compliance that state that there's a a box you can check that says no work was completed. >> Okay. >> So, that's what they're requesting. I just wanted to confirm that that is the case. And it sounds like Mason has been there and he's confirmed that that is
the case. >> Yeah. And I had some aerial photos and now it's making me reboot everything. >> And just for clarification, this was the Addie Maze. >> No, this is Georgie Pies right there in
the parking lot. They um So, you have the Center Island parking lot directly to the left. >> Yep. >> Okay. Thank you. It had like a little >> Yeah, it had had a little bit of a retail kind of food service. Was an ice
cream place, I think, the last time. >> Okay, thank you for the >> operator. Okay, >> Mason, I I think we're all set on this. I don't want to We got a Philly full agenda. Mary, any any other questions on this one? >> No, if everyone's comfortable with that,
that's Oh, yeah. >> What's happening? Oh, there we go. >> So, this is where the proposed deck was here. It's kind of hard to see in this. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, this property has changed hands I think a couple of times in the last three years. Hey, uh Woody, any questions on this one? >> No, I'm good. Bob, thank you. >> Okay, Mick, any questions on this one? >> No further questions, Bob. Thank you.
>> Hey, Harry, how about you? Any any question? >> No further questions, Bob. >> Okay, thank you. I don't have any questions. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Mason. >> Seeing none. >> Okay. Do any members have a request for
a site visit or additional information at this time? >> Nope. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance uh with the check mark on work not completed uh for
two Northern Boulevard. >> So, >> okay. >> Harry Woody. How about that? Okay. Roll call. Roll call. All All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody?
>> Yes. >> Mick. >> Hi. >> Harry. Yes. >> And Bob Connor's vote. She is right. Certificate of compliance. D file number 0501253 50 58 Riverfront Easty. Applicant is
requesting a COC for an expired order of conditions. The applicant would like to close out and resubmit if no work has been completed. Mason, why don't you give us an overview on this? I know there's a little confusion on the NOI that
is going to be following this. >> Yeah. So, this is um it was for septic uh replacement and you know additional grading work and things like that. Um this was submitted a few years ago and approved by the conservation commission. Um but the work has since lapsed. they
haven't done any work and so that's why you see them later on the agenda as they are um essentially reapplying for what they had approved um in years prior. >> Okay. And you've been out to the site Mason?
>> Yep. >> Okay. All right. Questions? Mary? Any any questions on this one? >> Um just checking that was 2017 as well, looks like. So, uh, >> 203
>> 20 through 20 2. So, they Yeah, they would have definitely expired with >> 17 18. Yeah. >> Yep. Um, and >> that's It sounds good. If you've looked at it and it's it's not been completed, then I'm fine.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mayor Woody. Any any questions on on this uh September year compliant? >> No. No questions, Bob. Thank you. >> Yay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions on this one? >> No questions. Thank you, Bob. >> Okay, Harry, how about yourself? Any
questions on the certificate? >> No questions at this time, Bob. >> Okay, I don't have any questions. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. Do any members have requests for a site
visit or additional information? Nope. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance uh check work not completed for 58 Riverfront East. >> So motion
>> second. >> Okay. So Harry Woody. Okay. Roll call vote. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody. >> Yes. Mick.
>> Hi. >> Harry, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor's vote chairs. All right. Uh, moving on. A request for a determination of applicability 280 High Road. Applicant is submitting an an RDA
for the replacement of a rubble foundation in the buffer zone. Mason, can you provide an overview uh in a recommendation on this matter? >> Yep. So, this is an existing shed uh within the buffer zone. We're probably looking about 25 to 50 feet in proximity
to the wetland areas. Um, and they are proposing a full um poured foundation where right now it's uh sort of a rubble and field stone foundation. Um, so this is kind of the rough site plan. Here we can see the shed. They plan to do
everything in the same footprint, so no expansion outside of this area. Um, and then I can show some pictures that'll kind of clear up um, you know, where the shed sits in proximity to the wetland areas as well. What's the date of that
plan, Mason, that you're Is there a date on that? >> Uh, looks like 2020. 68 2020. >> Okay. >> Okay. Is the applicant present to make a presentation answer question?
>> Uh applicant. >> Yes, I am. I'm sorry. Is my audio coming through? Okay. >> Yes, it is. If you could just give us your your name and address, that'd be great. >> Yes. Hello. Good evening. Uh Steve Kenny, 280 High Road. I'm the property owner.
>> Oh, thank you, Steve. Steve, why don't you what do you what do you what do you want to do and tell us how you go about it? >> Uh thank you. Um, I don't have any current specific building plan yet. I wanted to come before the commission. It's a um, as Mason suggested, it's a
historic old shed um, on this historic property. So, we're looking to rehabilitate it. Um, and yet it's on a rubble foundation that I believe groundhogs, probably many generations of families have helped to destabilize.
Uh so we're looking to uh carefully probably just uh slightly lift the foundation and its corners and dig carefully around in order to put a slab uh probably uh foundation and frost wall to then sit the shed back on uh within
the buffer area. So no no expansions, same footprint. So, how you know, typically, Steve, what is your plan? You plan on using Are you going to try to raise the structure to do this? Are you going to do one wall at a time or? >> Yes. I I've only had preliminary
conversations with a builder who's helped me on uh other projects and and his hope is that uh to dig carefully around the uh perimeter and lift um um where necessary in order to clear enough
room to do some excavating. Um some of that may have to be just taking uh some of the exterior walls down and digging from there with a a mini excavator. But I to be honest, there's a chance that we end up just replacing
floorboards, but I thought I'd go in front of the committee with what might be uh the commission with might what might be one of the options. And this one would involve digging. >> Okay. Any anything else, Steve, before I open this up to the members for questions?
>> Uh no, sir. >> Okay. Why don't you hang on, Steve, and you can answer questions as they arise if you would. Great >> Mary questions for Steve on his rec. >> Um, hi Steve. Yeah, just is there any chance that this the dimensions of this
shed are going to change at all once you lift it up? I mean is there there's no expansion or change in the actual configuration of the shed proposed? >> No, there is not. >> Okay. And then um the sketch that was provided shows a wetland
in undetermined location. you can't scale it from the plan that was given because it's the plan is just a photocopy and so yeah it's a little hard to tell what that distance is. Um typically we would have a delineation
done so that we would have some measurements from what the separation is. It's a little hard to tell from this this image. It looks like it's maybe 15 feet or 10 feet to the top of that bank, but it's hard to tell whether the wetland is at the top of the bank or the
bottom of the bank there. Um, so I guess I would just like to see I don't it seems like a pretty straightforward thing. Um, it would I'd like to see some measurements taken from the existing building to the wetland so that we know precisely
where that is in relation to the building corners and what kind of conditions we might need for for either erosion control or equipment, you know, access or anything like that. Um, you do you anticipate a what kind of equipment
do you anticipate needing to do this work? Um, I've been told we may just need a a mini excavator and we were going to silt sock around uh the project. And as I said, just as I understand it, just trying to jack up uh
certain sections of the shed where it can handle it so that we can just dig dig down enough to put the slab in. >> Can you do that from the upland side? Not not the wetland side of the building, but the other side. Yes. The the plan would be to do it uh from the the driveway side, which is the upland
side. >> Okay. So, you don't maybe don't even need to access the back around the back. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Mary, anything else? Also, >> yeah. No, I think that you know, I have some ideas for some special conditions. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, limitations of work.
Yeah. Limitations of work. And >> so, so Steve, you but you plan on changing the back wall, the the back rubble foundation wall, correct? Uh it it's been suggested by my builder to make it the most stable. He was
proposing a 4ft frost wall. So as I said I >> all the way all the way all on all four sides. Correct. >> I believe on all four. Yes. >> Okay. So you'd have to you know I think where I'm where I'm coming from is Mary was talking about
erosion control. What we what I think would be helpful if we could determine the limitation of work and then put the erosion control in you know whether it's a snow fence so you don't exceed it because of your proximity to the wetland. Uh that would be helpful. I
mean you have every right to maintain your existing structure. We're just concerned about erosion control and impact to that resource. Mason, could you put the plan back up? >> Yeah. Oh yeah, the sketch.
>> I mean, Mason, I think if if you could verify in the field, they're going to need probably an 8 foot limitation of work, not to exceed 8 ft. should be many excavators about 5 1/2 ft wide
uh to be able to get nets. They can probably excavate from each end of the property and reaching in. So, it's more of a trench uh rather than putting the machine out back, but there's going to be some some disturbance behind the building in order to do that. So from my
perspective, if we could determine the limitation of work, the erosion control, where the spoil the construction spoils would be stored and are they going to be hauled off? Those would be kind of the minimums that I I'd be looking at. I think
>> Excuse me, Bob. I'm just looking at the plan now and there's a note on there with a arrow saying that at the time that this was planned was done approximate location of bordering vegetated wetland and it with a dashed line inside of where the marsh is shown. So I don't know if that's not no longer
the wetland boundary or what but see there see the note there. Yes, I did highlight that it we did have the property delineated. Um it probably goes back to about 2018.
Um and that was the delineation on the plan in terms of the 100 foot buffer. >> And do you have that old plan? >> Um >> or is this it? >> I this well to be honest this this is
the most current. Um I don't know that I have a copy of a plan that just has the delineation on it. Um >> yeah, because we have two different wetland boundaries shown on this plan right now. So it's just a little confusing to know what what the distance
is between the work area and the wetland is and what kind of protections are needed. If it's 5t or it's 25 ft or 50 feet, it's hard. You can't tell from this plan. Um, so if you had the original plan and you know and Mason could go out there with you and measure
from the closest building corners and we can get some idea what that distance was because right now you don't know if there's you know enough room for vehicle access. It looks like there is from the photos, but it just I can't tell how close
>> you need to be. Hey, the point is you're going to need some some ability to work behind the building, Steve. And it just be what's the limit of that work that we're comfortable with. >> And it, you know, I'm a I'm a I'm a
general contractor. I mean, typically we put an excavator, mini excavator on each end parallel to the wetland and then just reach across the back, trench that out, pour the foundation, and then back fill it. But it's where do you store the
what you what you excavate uh and then certainly replanting any vegetation that would be disturbed. But okay, Mary, why don't I do this? Why don't I see who else has questions and I'll I'll circle back with you. >> Is that okay? >> Yeah, it's great.
>> Okay. Thanks, Mary. Woody, questions for Steve on his submitt. I think it's great that you're saving the shed and uh >> for for the future it I've been I've actually been in that shed a few different times in my life. Um and other
than the concerns that were already brought up, I really don't have any u maybe just a plan for the spoils as it was mentioned. They just going directly into a dump truck or whatnot. That would be nice to know. But other than that, um, it looks good to me and we'll just
get get a plan of action together here. Nothing further. >> Anything else? Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, questions for Steve on his submittal. >> Mick, did we lose you? >> No, I'm on mute.
>> Okay. Uh, no, just it uh it's a little confusing to me, I guess, just from the the quality of the the image here, but there's seems to be it's like a a Y almost and it says approximate location of uh BVW. Um there's a dash line and then there's
a solid line that kind of goes towards I'll call it the east if north is up on this plan. Um, so I guess getting, as we've said, getting a a definitive BVW, 100 foot, 50 foot,
you know, defined on the plan will be helpful. Um, and just I I noticed too there's there's also underground uh electric utility going to that building. So, is there any plans to retrench that, Steve, or is that going to be moved or
just you going to, you know, temporarily discontinue that and just reconnect or will you be touching there? >> I believe that's the case. Since we won't be changing the footprint, my my early uh expectation is we'll we'll just
uh keep it where it is. Um, >> yeah. No, as Woody said, I think it's awesome that you're you're preserving this this building. It's uh definitely got a lot of character and it's original, so it's it's great that you're preserving it. Um, I guess just anecdotal question.
Uh, looks like some of the sections are kind of off buildings or maybe add-ons to that shed. Do you expect those to survive a lift? Uh, will they be lifted separately? >> Uh, yes. the the hope in just as I say, I don't have a written plan for
construction, but in talking with the builder is uh we'll try to um jack along uh to the extent each part of the sill is is able to hold it. Um >> um but the idea is yes to to preserve
those exterior dimensions. Absolutely. The outbuilding was sort of made out of three smaller sheds that were joined together, it appears. So >> yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. I just think um just generally as Bob and others have said
just a clearer definition of the work to be done uh defining the the edge of the BVW on a plan and defining also the uh the border of the work area will be important uh going forward. You know once we have that I think it makes a lot
easier for us to to make a call on it. >> Yeah that's all I have. Thank you. Thanks, Steve. >> Okay. Thank you, Mike. Harry, any any questions for Steve on this? >> Uh, not at this time, Bob. Thanks. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Uh, so Steve,
just to do a recap, I I I think that just looking at your plan, Mason, can you blow that plan up? I'm just looking. The BBW line is to the well I'm going to call it to the left of
the top of the marsh. I mean like I say from my perspective if can we create a 8 foot wide or a 7 foot wide limitation of work area uh that's not going to impact you know the
resource. They would say that if we could create the limitation. >> We don't know where the resource is because we got a hand sketched line and >> No, I know. But Mary Mary Mason is going to be going out and reporting back. >> Oh, got it. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. That that that was
established up front. So, it I I think what the parameters to be able to do the work is limitations of work and erosion control. Is there enough room for it to fit between the resource and the structure? I I think that's those are the paramount
questions issues that I have. Um I think Mick brought up a good point. I mean Steve, you're probably going to find that all your sills are gone on this or in substantial disrepair that do you what do you have to do for
historic for the historic commission to be able to even touch the structure? Do you what's the process there? Is it is it listed? Um it's not listed. Um it is it is historic and certainly it's um
>> we're looking at you know repair not a a demolition certainly. So my expectation having done some work on the larger barn behind it is would be consultation with inspectional services but >> um you know uh we may need to remove an
exterior wall that no longer can be supported by the sill. I'm not in construction, Bob, but that would be my guess. We're going to try to preserve it as best possible on the existing timbers um as long as they'll support the weight to lift it a bit.
>> Repair or replace as necessary with no outward expansion. >> Correct. >> Okay. Okay. Any any other questions? Mary, let me circle back to you. >> No, I just think that we should get an updated plan and continue it to the next meeting with that information on the
plan. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think it's gonna be Mason's gonna have to >> Mason has to go out and look at this and then >> if Mason get >> Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> I know. I just wasn't sure what your timing was, Steve, on doing this work or
anticipating so we can get that information that would be useful for us because the idea is just so that we know when it's constructed or repaired that it's it it's what we approved. So, >> right.
>> Sure. H >> happy to provide more information and and would it be suggested I I get in touch with Mason or vice versa and we'll we'll figure out >> Well, what I'm what I'm going to probably do, Steve, is uh I'm going to ask the very simple question about a
site visit or additional information. we can ascertain when spring we can do a site visit whether it's just Mason or if other members want to go and I don't that would be the starting point >> great all right uh Mary any anything else I'm
going to go around the commission one more time on this okay any any other comments or thoughts on this >> um nope not at this time Bob thank you >> okay Nick how about yourself >> no all set thank you Bob >> okay Krie, how about yourself?
>> Yeah, all set. Thank you. >> Okay, Mason, are there any raised hands from the from the public at this time? Just curious. >> Seeing none. >> Okay. So, my usual question, do any members have a request for a site visit
or additional information? And the answer is yes for a site visit for Mason. Do any other members want to go with Mason or take a peek at the property? No, I don't. >> Okay. And the additional information
would be Mason, determine, you know, where where a bordering vegetation is. Uh and can we sufficiently locate a limitation of work where the erosion control could be and where be the um proper location
for construction materials and and a notation on what they're going to do with the excavation spoils whether it's going to be live loaded or where do they plan on putting that and is it going to be hauled off site >> and then we want a measurement as well from the nearest corner of the building
to where we see change in vegetation on the slope, >> right? >> Okay. >> I think that'd be a starting point on that. Mary, anything else you want to add or Mick or Woody or Harry? >> I think it would be helpful to locate on just have a note on the plan saying what
it is the work is that's proposed if it's reconstruction or something because there's a lot of other um stuff that's proposed on this plan that I'm assuming has already been completed. So, if you could just highlight the actual limits of the shed, not not going beyond the
limits of the shed. Um, and with a note saying, you know, raise and and install basement slab or whatever that work is. So, we know it is specifically what it is we're approving.
>> Yeah. And I mean, and certainly it's going to be limitation of no outward expansion regardless. >> Yeah. on that. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know what they what may be what may be helpful is the scope of work letter from the from the applicant
that can be attached to the RDA and then we could reference it. Uh >> just a thought. Okay. Uh so Mason, why don't you and Steve get together? Doesn't sound like we're going to do a site visit for the commission. Why don't you and Steve get together? I think
you've got you've got a good idea of what we're looking for. >> And why don't we put this on our November 4th? Well, that's next week, isn't it? >> Yeah. >> Are you going to be able to get out there between now and then,
Mason? >> Yeah, definitely. >> Steve, so really you're you're not trying to get this work done before the winter because you're you've got you've got a number of other hurdles. You're trying to find out is it feasible to go forward with this approach from
conservation, right? Whether it's an RDA or it's going to require an NOI. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Okay. So, why don't you guys get together if you can get Mason if you can get the information uh
get kind of that scope of work letter from Steve or from the builder. Uh we can put it on the November 4th agenda. Well, we can deal with it on the December 2nd. At least, Steve, you'll know whether the RDA is going to be a
viable way to go or is it going to require a further submittal or a notice of intent. >> Great. Thank you. Yeah. >> Okay. So, this doesn't require a vote to uh continue the public hearing. So,
we'll just put this on November 4th. And Mason, just let us know. >> Okay. All right. Next uh next matter before the commission uh new public hearing D file number 0501455 old Newbury golf club applicant is
submitting an RDA for golf course maintenance work including tea box relocation tree removal within the buffer zone areas can you provide an overview on this? >> Yep. Uh yeah so like Bob said it's uh mostly work in the buffer zone. Um that
includes dead tree removal um some kind of hazardous tree removal and then the relocation of the tea boxes. Um most of the tea box relocation is coming away from wetland and resource areas. Um which is a positive. Um and I can share my screen so Sam can present and kind of
go over the the different changes that they're going to be proposing. >> Okay. Yeah. whoever is going to be presenting for the applicant. Just give us your name and your association with the project and welcome. >> Sure. Uh my name is Sam Colbo. I'm with
Millennium Engineering uh representing the applicant tonight. Uh how's my audio? Can everyone hear me? Okay, >> great. >> Loud and clear. >> Beautiful. Um so Mason just gave a pretty good overview of what we're trying to do here. Um the work is pretty
limited. Um, just real quick, um, for the record, it seems like there's just a typo in the agenda. Um, this was submitted as an NOI, um, rather than an RDA. Um, not sure if that matters, but I just want to avoid any confusion.
Um, so again, um, this is really just for general maintenance around the Old Newberry golf course, um, with selective tree clearing and underbrush removal within the 100 foot buffer. Um, as Mason Mason mentioned already, um, uh, there are a couple T boxes that we'd like to
move further away from the wetlands. Um, and Mason, am I able to share my screen just so I can bring up the plan? >> Uh, yeah, I think you should be able to. >> Okay. All right. Is everyone able to see that? >> Looks like it's coming. >> Still loading.
>> Yep. There we go. >> Okay. So, we'll just start on um hole three here. You can see my cursor. Um a quick note, as you can see, this is a plan created from aerial imagery and um
GIS. Millennium did not do a full survey just due to the limited nature of work. Um however, we did have CCAMP environmental go out to uh verify wetland lines. So you can see all these pink lines running through the site. Um,
a lot of them are from GIS. Um, however, where work is proposed, we had CCAMP Environmental go out to um, verify that line so we'd have an accurate um, 100 foot buffer to that. Um, the yellow areas are where we're proposing uh, tree
removal and uh, underbrush removal. Um so you can see um down the left side of the fairway on on uh hole three um around the back side of the green on hole three and then as you move around um to hole four there's additional
underbrush in uh selective tree clearing. Um as you move it to hole five this is one of the uh T boxes that will be shifted. Um see if I can zoom in a little bit.
So, as you can see, it's it's right up close to the wetland. Um, and they'd be looking to to shift it about 10 ft away from the wetland. Um, moving down the fairway of hole five. Um, you can see the yellow again
where more uh tree clearing and underbrush clearing is proposed. There's a little bit of tree clearing, mostly underbrush. um behind the green um on the bottom of the plan here.
Uh moving on to hole six. Uh there were uh two dead ash trees um that were removed under emergency order earlier this year. And then finally, uh the second T box to
be relocated is right here to the bottom left of the screen. Again, you can see it's right up next to the wetland. And again, they'll like to shift it about 10 to 15 feet away from the wetland. Uh, that's pretty much all I got. Um,
Mr. Chair, I'll turn it back over to you and hopefully answer any questions the commission may have. >> Okay. >> Sam, can you just point out the buffer lines? I see what looks like either a white or a light blue dotted line checkered line or broken line.
>> What? >> Yep. You got it. You got that correct. That would be the 100 foot buffer. >> Okay. Now, can we go back and look at the areas? >> Zoom out for you. >> So, you're proposing work
within the 50ft buffer or in the 20 Z or >> um >> so it would it's both. That's correct. Yeah. So, some areas are up closer to the wetland. Um, some are obviously a little further away. Some are outside the 100 foot buffer.
>> Okay. You don't have the 50ft buffer marked on this? >> I do not. No, not on this plan. >> Okay. Questions. Mary, questions for Sam on this. Um yeah Sam when you said uh CC camp verified is are the the verified lines
the dash red dashed lines and and what did they GPS that or how did how did they come up with that line? >> Uh no. So my understanding um is when they went out there, they went out there with a sketch showing the >> um GIS wetland lines and then provided
us a rough sketch with dimensions >> um as to you know how far that line would have shifted. >> Um you'll notice in a lot of cases it's more conservative than some of the lines shown. >> Yeah. It's just not clear. So they didn't put they don't didn't put flags
in the field. No, I I don't believe they were flagged. >> Okay. I just said, "Yeah, so it's hard to tell how they actually would have verified it if if it's not flagged, but um there's enough work here that uh I guess I would like to have a site visit. It
looks just to get eyes on it and make sure that >> especially in areas where you're in close proximity to the wetland that that um we understand kind of what the extent of work might be. Also, it looks like you're working in some ACC here, which I
don't think provides any permitting challenges for you, but um we would just want to be sensitive to any potential wetland impact within the ACC part of the site. >> Understood. Yeah. And I believe um I
believe I I'll double check this for you, but I believe the um trees that are um proposed to be removed are all marked out there. They were at one point. So I'll I'll double check that. >> Yeah. So tree clearing within the ACC
could be problematic. That's what I'm getting at. believe >> we can look we can look at it individual trees if they're marked and and um and see what you know how that could
>> I believe the trees on the third hole are marked and then uh adjacent on the fourth hole it's a lot more understory stuff so I when I was out there I saw a lot of bittersweet multifllora rose um and buckthornne as well
>> right that's it the main thing is just a psych is it for me? >> Yeah. Yeah. No psych. Obviously, I think we're going to need some more information, too. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Mary. I'll circle back if if anything else comes up. Woody, questions for Sam on this the middle.
>> I don't I don't have any questions. Uh just a comment. Site visit would be great. And if the trees will trees are to be removed, that would be great for the site visit. >> Thank you, Bob. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, Woody. Rick, questions.
Yeah, just um I guess just general the underbrush removal is that more uh just kind of the vegetation maintenance encroachment onto the you know fairway or play area. Um is that why you
removing the underbrush? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's correct. >> Yeah. And just noticing uh the the I think it's hole five and hole six you're moving the tea boxes. Uh yep. So here's hole five of the top
right of the screen. >> Yeah. So uh just quick question I guess this would be you know helpful for us and to define it with a you know the scope of work. Uh so if you move hole five say if north is up here you're
moving that whole five T box to the west. Um it's getting closer to that cart path. Do you envision that you're going to need to move the cart path as part of that construction? No, I I believe the car path is going to stay where it is. Um if there was ever
um a need that we were going to have to move the car path, we would um we would come back and for um in front of the commission. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or or just, you know, if you foresee it, you know, if you get out there and boots on the ground, you see that you have to move it, you know,
just include it up front. I guess if if you foresee that's probably gonna probably going to have to happen. Um, and I guess the same for the T- box and hole six. You know, it's not as close, I guess, to the to the cart path, but it looks like you have a cart path turnaround there.
>> Understood. I can verify that for you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good. No, that'll just be helpful going forward. And, uh, Yep. I'm looking forward to a site visit. But thanks, Sam. >> Okay. Thank you, M. Harry. Any any questions uh for Sam? >> Yeah, two questions. Just timing. Um,
when would you uh start this and how long would it take? >> Um, so in short, I'm not sure when they they're looking to start this. I know they're still open right now. Um, so so it may
be tough to get this this work done when the course is open. So I'd assume, you know, as soon as they close for the season. Um, and I I don't know how long it would take. I'm I'm assuming a you know a a few days.
>> Okay. >> Yeah, that's all I have. I was just curious. >> All right. So So Sam, obviously we're we're going to we're going to schedule a site visit. You know, to be honest, in the areas we are proposing work, I'm
really not comfortable going on a site visit till that's actually been flagged. It it's very hard to determine. We got a lot going on here. Some of the tree removal, is it to add some light and ventilation to the grains
for better fairway growth or grain grain growth or is it you just seem to have a lot going on in a very tight area without it really being flagged in the field. It a residential home. we would make do a delineation
and then show 50 100 foot buffers and I just don't see why this is any different. >> Okay. Um sure. I mean that that's something we can we can provide for you. Um >> and identifying the ACD AC area too. I
just think we need to have all that information on a plan. So when we go out on a site visit, >> we we can make a real-time decision based based on the data. >> Understood. ACC. It might be a little difficult to see. It is on this plan um
in green. Let me see if I can >> And that's mapped by elevation, Bob. So, it's a little bit harder to stake it out, but they might be able to stake it where we where you're coming really close to it or working in it. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. I'm just saying, Mary, that you know, typically we require the delineation. >> Totally. I agree. >> And and then we should and we always require the 50 showing the 50 on erosion control and and whatever. What
are you proposing for erosion control, Sam? Um around the areas where we're we're very close to the wetland I' um we'd be using silt sock. Um actually we'd use that around the entire site wherever
we're doing work. >> Is that actually shown? What if you could point that out? >> It's not shown on this plan. No. >> Okay. Okay. All right. All right, Mayor, I'm going to circle back with you. I like I say, I just think we need we need some
flagging in the field. >> Yeah. No, I think updated plan >> if the plan gets too cluttered showing 50 foot buffer and silt sock and everything. Sam, you can do insets uh you know or something separate little fix uh smaller figures of each of the
work areas. >> Yeah. >> Gotcha. Not the not for the tree removal, you know, portions, but the tea tea relocation and any earth and earth work. >> Okay. >> Yeah. [Music]
>> Okay. Uh, any other members have a question questions before I see if there's any raised hands from the public? >> No, Bob. Thank you. >> Okay. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? seeing them.
>> Okay. All right. So, just doing a recap. It it it a site plan certainly, excuse me, a site visit is certainly uh going to be required. I just think team that there's a the benefit of getting the plan updated
first and the flagging being done. Sam, you can do an overlay of your silk sock or the 50 100 foot buffers or AC EC so it's not all jammed in one plan. Um, that's how you create them anyway, right?
>> Yeah. >> So, okay. Any any other questions? Any other information we're looking for? So, Sam, reasonable expectation. Our next meeting is November 4th. Um, you're you're not going to you want to kick
this down to a December 2nd meeting? >> Uh, yeah. I think we'll need to I don't I don't think we'll be able to get it all delineated that quickly for the fourth. That is >> So, why don't we do this? Why don't you
request a continuence to December 2nd? If you can get the plans into us in a flag prior to December 2nd, uh we could we could probably although you're going to have Thanksgiving holiday week there, which could be trouble trying to get
people out there. See if we can might be possible to get a site visit out there with that added information and plan update prior to December 2nd. >> Yeah, let let's shoot for that. Okay. All right. So, you're going to
request a continuence to our December 2nd meeting. >> That is correct. >> Okay. All right. Uh so, we're going to require a site visit. You heard what we're going to do as far as additional information.
Uh I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to December 2nd at the applicant's request. >> So moved. Second. Yeah. >> So, Harry and we're gonna
give it to Nick. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Nick? >> Hi. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor's vote. Yes. Thank you, Sam. >> Thank you, everybody.
>> Okay. Okay, next matter is a new public hearing D file number 050 1456 58 riverfront east. Applicant is submitting a notice of intent to replace an existing septic system within the 200t riverfront area
team. If you remember earlier, one of the certificates of compliance we issued was for work not completed. Uh and this is the resubmitt that was mentioned. We had a little bit of a glitch on the agenda where that this wasn't
identified. Uh did not have a file number originally. It does now. Uh but the address was admitted. So we're going to have to continue the public hearing to our uh November 4th, but that doesn't mean we can't open the
public hearing and and discuss it. But so Barbara, is this your project? >> Yes, it is. Uh for the record, my name is Bob Gracel from Engineering Land Services. Um this is a resubmitt of a pre-approved
uh NOI with the Conservation Commission in 2017 and we also had Board of Health approval. Uh we resubmitted the uh revised plan um to the board of health um a few weeks ago. We had a public
hearing last week and we got board of health approval uh with this plan. Um the revision to this plan, the only revision to this plan was uh in 17 Presby uh the the system that we're
using for the septic system uh had um required um a little bit of minimum uh linear feet of Presby pipe and they upgraded it to um 140 ft of linear square uh linear
feet of pipe. So, it stayed the same box of 400 ft² and we just added more presby pipe inside the 400 square f foot box. Um, I'm not sure why we can't open up the hearing. It was advertised. I notified
all the >> No, no, we're No, no, we're opening the >> Why hasn't continued? I mean, this is a this is a re reapplication. Nothing has changed since the last approval. The agenda did not properly identify the
address. >> Okay. >> That so it it it was the notice Bob is the is the glitch. >> Okay. >> So it it didn't it wasn't listed as 5058 Riverfront East. Uh it didn't have the
file number when the agenda was drafted. The file number hadn't had popped up yet. >> Yeah. We do have a DP file. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We >> right. >> So that that's that's the dilemma. Our next meeting is November 4th, which is
next Tuesday. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, the season for septic systems closed down at December 1st. Um by the time we get an order conditions written up, um it's going to be very tight for the
client to install the system this year. It is just the agenda, Bob. That was not correct. The public was correct. >> The public Yeah, the notice sent out. >> What? Why don't you double check? >> The newspaper. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, we informed >> it was the address. >> Yeah. [Music] Like I say, the agenda is to notify the public >> and and the mailing is to notify the
butters or you know people that within a certain radius. >> Okay. >> So I I guess why don't we put the plan up as there any change on the wetland delineation? Uh >> you know it's just by current conditions um most of the wetlands are located off
off site on the budding properties. So we basically, you know, went around, we didn't actually set state, you know, flagging on the abuing lots. We just, you know, went by existing structures. And there's a wall uh a wall in the
back. That's uh >> Can we put a plan up? Can we can we see a plan of >> um I'm not sure how to do that, but Mason can do that. >> Well, Mason, can can you do that for Bob on? >> I can. Yeah. I don't know if I can do it.
I can try it. I mean, do you hit the share button first? >> Why don't I I I I think I think it'd be easier if Mason just puts up the plan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Just see where we're
>> When did this expire, Bob? What was the date of the original? >> Uh, we filed in the 17, so it's probably filed >> expired back then. >> So did >> um let me just do a real quick rundown of the property. Uh, it's an existing
two-bedroom dwelling located towards the uh the existing concrete wall there in the in the rear of the property. Uh, the house was built in 1875. Um, I have a colored one that I mailed into I believe the the commission uh I
emailed it in and I'm just wondering if I could get that colored one up. It's a lot easier just by saying the orange, the brown. Let's try to share. >> Do you have that plan? >> Can you see that one? >> Can you see that? Oh, it's
>> good. You did it. >> Oh, I did it. Okay. >> All right. Here's the existing. >> You can zoom in on that, Bob. Uh, >> yeah. >> Can you zoom in on that a little bit? Just uh >> um I don't know how to just zoom or just >> you just zoom it on your regular the way you
>> on my mouse like on my mouse or >> I know how you would >> Okay, now I'm out. >> Okay. Uh you just >> There we go. >> Okay. >> Thanks. >> All right. So the brown is the existing
dwelling which was built in 1875. The existing septic tank is shown in orange right here and existing leech areas right here. So we're actually improving uh the distance from the wetland and the existing well. Um here's the existing
well in green. That's the abuing well. That's the abuing well. That's the abuing well. So that's all the 50ft radiuses that we, you know, that's the minimum we can do. and we pushed up as far as we could towards the front front lot line right here. Uh the green is the
septic. Uh so we're proposing to extend that the pipe that comes out, crush that septic tank, abandon that uh pipe and stone. Uh put a new 1500gallon holding tank to a,00gallon pump chamber and pump
it up to a debox. Now the system will be elevated above the existing grade approximately 3.2 2 ft above the existing grade with a retaining wall uh at 3 feet around this entire system. So
it's basically building an island and then we're grading down towards the the building right here. Um right here. Um so we're we're holding 50 ft to our our
well. Uh there's distances 79 and there's we're we can't get 100. We can't just atte achieve 100 ft which is >> where's the where's the where's the 50 foot buffer blob on there? >> Those circles those circles >> the 50 foot buffer for
>> the 50 buffer is the yellow is the yellow line. There's no 100 foot buffer because I can't get a 100 foot buffer. >> Okay. >> So it would overlap you're way outside the way. So here's the here's the riverfront area and we're I believe
we're u 158 ft from the river high water mark which is the riverfront area right here. So yellow, >> excuse me. >> Yeah. No, I I you've answered my question. I'd say why don't you just point out erosion control where
proposing erosion >> erosion control is shown in the red line right here which it it goes right next to the pipe where we're going to cut off and and uh abandon the sub bankank and the leech area and go along the lot line
up to the front and on this side right here. Um, it will be a 12-in silt sock. Um, we're making a situation better. We're actually getting the the leeching area away from our well, you know, a
minimum of 50 ft and we're actually, you know, grabbing it away from the riverfront from the Parker River, uh, which is located in the bottom of the screen. Um we're we're actually lifting it out of the water table uh which is currently in
the water table right now the system uh so actually 3 ft you know above existing grade. >> Yeah. I mean Baba this is just a repeat of what you've already submitted what was previously approved. >> Yeah. Yeah. The board of health we have board health approval.
>> Yeah. No I think you're outside of the glitch on on the agenda. So, let me do this. Let me stop and let's go around for questions. See if there's any other questions. Mary, any any questions for Bob on this middle? >> No, I mean, we don't have a lot to say
about um septic septic system approvals except for location and um you don't have another location on the site that's further away from wetlands. >> So, it's you know, this is entirely approvable as far as I
can tell. Um, just to clarify, you're in you've got a riverfront area. So, the entire site is in riverfront area because this riverfront line is at the south south side of the project and extends all the way across to riverfront east. That's the >> yes dotted line. Then you've got the
blue line. That's the BBW edge of wetland. >> And then because there's also wetland across the street, we have overlapping buffer zones from both of those. So the entire site is in both buffer zone and
riverfront area. Um most of it is outside of the 50-foot buffer zone but um that's as far as they can push it away from >> that's the best I can do. >> Yes. Exactly. Understood. So provided the board of health is okay with the design of the system. >> Yes.
>> Then the commission has to approve the has to approve it in this case. So, I don't have any >> further comments on it unless um my only question was did Mason have a chance to look at this and I didn't do the does the BBW boundary look accurate to you?
>> Uh I I didn't check the I didn't check this one across the street at all. I don't think that that I think Bob had said that they didn't flag anything on the abing properties. Yep. >> It was just what was on this property. >> And this is just but there's a wall that essentially forms the limit of the wetland for the most part on the other
side. >> Yes. It's grasped right up to the wall. >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's it looks like it's it's pretty well defined. So, I don't have any comments. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary Woody. Any any questions uh for Bob Grass? >> Um I just have one clarification
question. What is the address? 58 Riverfront East. >> Okay. Thank you. I don't have any further comments or questions. >> Okay. Thank you, Whitty. Mike, questions. >> Yeah. Well, I think just like any other construction excavation project, you
know, just defining, you know, your where your spoils are going to sit, you know, are you going to live load? You know, that's that's always, you know, something that we're looking for. um you know crushing the system or removing the existing system you know what you're going to do with
that that debris and you know potentially contaminated material so I think just helping you know defining that will be helpful going forward. The septic tank will be pumped, crushed, and removed. And the septic leech area, which is pipe and stone, you can leave that. If you don't feed it, it d it just
dies off. So, it won't collapse. It won't be like a leech pit that dries out concrete and then has a tendency to cave in this pipe and stone. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> So, Bob, you're proposing the limitation of work is within your erosion control
boundaries. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Okay. Harry, any any questions for Bob Graasso on this? >> No, not at this time, Bob. Thanks. >> Okay. So, Bob, what what I'm going to suggest is Mason, why don't you just can you get
out there between now and and Friday and and just double check, verify, uh see if there's been any changes to the wetland. And and if not, I think at our next meeting, I mean, honestly, we'd probably be closing the public hearing tonight,
Bob, if we didn't have this glitch on the the agenda. But I I think that we could have this teed up for next Tuesday to be finalized. And Mason, I think you could even start a draft NOI where it where it's a septic system.
>> As long as we can get signatures Wednesday, we can have that issued Wednesday. And then the appeal period would end on November 17th. I'd still have two full weeks to try and get that in before um before the season closes. >> That way it gives my client a chance to
try to install it this year. >> I if so makes I think if you have this all teed up for Wednesday, we'll get the signatures done. Uh yeah, barring some unforeseen, you know, feedback from you on the site visit.
So, Bob, what I'm going to suggest is why don't you request a continuance to November 4th. Mason will get out there, just put eyes on this, and we'll see if we can wrap this up and get this all done for you on the 4th and we'll expedite the order with signatures and
get it in no later than the 6. >> Okay. On behalf of my client Kyle Ry, I'd like to request a continuence to the next conservation meeting held on November 4th. >> Okay. Before that, any did we did I ask
were there any raised hands from the public in this? I just want to make sure I asked that question. I don't think there was. >> Seeing none. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the alpha
request to the 114 2025 meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes.
>> Mick. >> Hi. >> Harry. >> Yes. >> And and Bob Connor's road chairs. Thank you, Bob. And thank you for your time. See you next Tuesday. Let's see if we can get this wrapped up for you. >> Thank you very much.
>> Okay. Continue public hearing. >> Thank you, Bob. D file number 0501454, 31 Downfall Road. The applicant is submitting a notice of intent for construction of a single family home, bond, bridge, a conventional septic
system. The project propose proposes disturbance and development within the 100 foot buffer zone. Mason, can you give us an overview on this one? >> Yep. So, uh, we had a preliminary um, kind of discussion last time um, and the applicant was going to continue and come
back to us once they had addressed the D technical comments. Um, which I believed um, included adding some information on the site grading especially at the back of the house towards the wetland. um and then also um including a project narrative. So both of which have been
updated and submitted to DP um and we got feedback back that they are satisfied with it. Um and then I can share the updated plan as well. >> Okay. >> Who's going to be making the presentation for the applicant? You just
give us your name and your affiliation with the project. Yep. My name is Lawrence J. Sturdivan. I am the owner of the property and uh and uh making the application. >> Okay. So, as I recall, we were calling
you Larry at the last meeting. Am I correct, Larry? >> I go by Jay. >> Jay. That's right. It was Jay. >> Okay. Jay, why don't you just give us a quick walk through? I I knew we were kind of waiting on the D uh comments and that seems to have cleared, but why
don't you give us a a quick recap of what you're doing and see if there's any addition questions from the members. >> So, years ago, we put in the common driveway back in I believe it was 2012 or 13 and that's this area right in
through here. It has a 30foot rightway. And so essentially we're coming in from Downfall Road and we're going to go to kind of the back part of the property the um and and it'll be about a 2400
square foot home with a twocar attached garage and then it will have a conventional septic system in the front of the house away from the buffer. Uh the house itself, as you can see on this line right here, is within the 100 foot
buffer. And then uh it calls for a barn uh down in this area. Um the barn won't be built at this at this time. It's an it's an option if somebody wants if we wanted to do it later. We just wanted to delineate it. And there's also a utility
right away for Ingrid and water lines. And that's essentially it. The paving of the rightway was done back in 2012 or 13. So there'll be a small amount of of paving for the driveway area itself and
uh any repairs that get damaged during construction to the existing. >> Hey Jay, why don't I hold you there and open this up to questions to the members. Mary questions for Jay on on this submitt. >> Yes. So I think maybe this was discussed
at the last meeting when I wasn't here. So um I'll have to review the the audio for that meeting. Um was it was a site visit discussed uh at that time? >> It it I think we talked about it. Uh the
flagging is in place so it's it's visible. If you we could pan up uh Mason um those stakes are in place. So, um, these are in place and flagged. >> Okay. >> So, if you wanted to come out and see them,
>> they're actually in place and you can and you can physically see them. >> And who did the flagging for you? The wetland flagging. >> So, the So, Hayes did the entire project. >> Okay. >> And then all I did was the other day I went out and just remarked the stake with new flagging. >> Okay.
>> Some of the uh numbers had faded. >> Great. And are the building corners staked out? The building corners are not staked out, but I could stake those out tomorrow. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, so I I guess I'd like to see it. It It's a This plan is really
hard to read. I don't know if it's a combination of just it being blown up so much or or and there's a lot of detail on here. So, that would just that would be my only thought, Bob, at this point. Yeah, Mary, I think at at the last time we we talked about a site visit, but we
thought we'd hold until the the D comments came back and the flagging was done so that you know we we'd have a a little clearer picture. >> Okay. And is any are these lots already created? This lot is >> Yes.
>> And so we don't need any planning approval? >> No, the the septic system is has been preliminary approved. the um this is part of an older subdivision that was done by JW Homes back in like 2008
and then he uh unfortunately suddenly passed away and I bought the property and it was already subdivided long before >> okay >> I ever got involved. >> Thank you. >> Okay, Mary, I'll circle back, but we'll
we'll see if we can schedule a site visit between now and next Tuesday. Uh, now that we have all the information, Woody, questions for Jay on this project. >> No, I don't have any questions for Jay, but a sidewalk would be great. And, uh,
if we knew where the building was with stakes, that would be great as well. >> Thank you, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, comments, questions for Jay. Uh, >> uh, Mason, are you sharing right now the plant? >> Yeah. Can you just run your cursor over
the septic field? The leech field. Just show me that. >> Yeah, the leech field is right here. >> Okay. So, >> is right right here. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Oh, cool. I'd like Barry, I just couldn't quite pick it out on the plan,
but I appreciate that. >> Yeah, it's a little busy. Yeah. >> Yeah. They just with it blown up so much that the the the text is kind of muted. But no, thank you. >> That's the tank, not the field. The field. >> So the tank is here. >> Yeah.
>> Tank is here and then the field is right here. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> With the reserve. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Looks like a reserve area there. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you. Appreciate that. All right. >> That's my only question. Thanks. >> All right. Thank you, Harry. Any
questions for Jay on this? >> Uh, not this time, Bob. >> Okay. So, I don't have any questions. So, team, like I say, at at the initial opening of the public hearing, we we discussed the site visit. Uh, but again,
we were going to wait until we got the additional information and D feedback. So, it seems that all of those issues have been satisfied. And Jay, you you said you could take this out tomorrow for your the foundation. >> I am. Um, I'm retired so I don't really
have a schedule so I can handle that tomorrow. >> Okay. that can you rake all the leaves with the lot so we can >> so the lot will be rake no leaves will be on site either with all this extra time you have on your hands Jay or >> right
>> so team why don't we see if we can do this uh if we could how is everyone's is anyone available Thursday or Friday although both days proposing rain
as I recall Monday. >> Friday's uh a a good day for me. Monday morning be good. Friday morning be good. >> Yeah, Friday as well. >> Yeah. So, Thursday is 85% rain because
you get kind of that storm coming up. Friday is 95%. Monday again, it would be before Monday the 3. Um, I'm just throwing the weather aspect out
there. I I'm out of pocket this week. I I can't get there anyway. But >> what's our pleasure weatherwise? Monday may be be your best bet in the field. Uh, it still gives us an opportunity to come up with a
close out the site visit before the meeting on on the 4th >> uh, and go from there. But >> I can do a Monday morning. >> What's up? Monday. >> Yeah, I can do Monday. >> So, so November 3rd,
>> I can actually do that as well. So, Jay, we usually try to meet about 8:00 to get everyone those going at to work right before work. Is are you available? >> I will be available. >> Those unlike you, Jay,
still gonna >> All right. So there's a Monday in November 3rd at 8:00 work. Whether we have a majority, you know, a a quorum or not, it doesn't matter. I think it >> Okay, >> Mary, does that does that work for you,
Mary? >> Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh Harry or Woody, >> I I just got to check my schedule for Monday. Um if it's open, I'll I'll be there. >> Monday will work for me.
>> Okay. So Jay, why don't you do this? Why don't you request a continuence to our November November 4th meeting and we're going to schedule a site visit for November 3rd and and and then we'll see
where we're at on the 4th and there's any open items or if this is concluded, we'll entertain the next step. >> Okay. I'd like to request an extension to November 4th. >> Okay. Uh, Mason, are there any any
raised hands from the public tonight? >> Not seeing any. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to November 4th at the applicant's request. >> So moved. Second.
>> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. Nick. >> Hi. >> Harry, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor is our chas. Thank you,
Jay. See you on Monday. >> Great. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for help. >> Okay, next matter. Continue public hearing. D file number 0501451 25 Harvard Way. Applicant is submitting a notice of intent for the construction of
additions and renovations to existing single family dwelling. Improvements include an expanded deck and new stair systems. So, Mason, where where we ended up I know we did a site inspection on this already. >> Yep. >> Awaiting the outcome of ZVA.
>> Yep. We were pending the ZVA decision and then the only request that we had between um our site visit and our last meeting um was that they install a flood vent at the bottom of the staircase, which I have been provided some updated plans. And so we have that represented
on this plan here. >> So they they they've cleared they've cleared ZBA on this as I recall. Right. >> Yep. >> Okay. Okay. So team, that's where we're at. Uh Mary, questions. I think you were with us on the when we were out on the
site. There was a question whether the stairs were open underneath uh or if they came all the way down. And I think we we were able to resolve that that they're there's no skirting and closing the bottom of the stairs that the underneath
of the stairs other than the landing at the bottom of the door. >> Right. The cross-hatching that's shown there is that uh trellis or something. >> Lattice. >> Lattice. I mean yes. Mhm. >> And that is it. It remind me Bob, that
allowed all the way to the ground or does that need to be up above? >> Well, we Oh, the the lapis can go all the way to the ground allows it's 50% open. >> Okay, that's my thought. Okay. >> And and and yeah, and we we because of
the stairs coming down to grade, which they're always going to do, but there's a little bit of a landing. We we talked about that adding a flood vent uh in that area would would would suffice to keep it fully enclosed and >> okay
>> obviously we need a land when it's enclosed we need a landing at the bottom of the stairs by by code. So, anything else, Mary? >> And the stair the under of the stairs is uh lattice as well.
>> The underside of the stair is >> Oh, I'm looking at the other stairs. Yeah, that's not the new Those are existing on the right side of the house there. Those stairs. >> Those are Let's see. >> That just the deck or what is that?
>> No, those stairs are open as I recall. Those are open. >> Yeah, I they're open. >> Okay. >> Thanks. I I don't think I have any other questions. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. Woody, any any questions on the submitt?
>> Uh, no questions, Bob. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any any questions on that? Mick, I think you were with us on this one when we were >> so Yeah. No. Um, I think I'm good. I don't have any questions at this time, Bob. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, M. Harry. Any any
questions on your pass? >> Yeah, I was just curious underneath that um foundation vent. It It looks like a platform. >> Is what is what is that? What is that made out of? What material? >> The bottom of this. It's a It's a It's a
landing at the bottom of the stairs you're talking about, Harry. Inside? >> Yeah. Yeah, the landing. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. It's Sam Columbo again with Millennium Engineering. Um, >> that is a uh concrete uh landing pad at
the bottom of the entry. I believe it's a three 3x3 >> Oh, I'm sorry. Brick. >> No, it's concrete. The concrete landing pad. >> Okay. This that's for the base of the
stairs to catch the stairs. >> Right. Okay. >> And then on the exterior, it's either concrete or granite. Okay, >> Bob, that's all I have for questions. >> Okay, any any other questions? Just
circling back with one. >> Are there any raised hands from the public? If anyone has a question that pops up, just just chime in. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none.
>> Okay. Well, we've had a site visit team. Uh, do any members have a request for additional information at this time? >> Okay. Hearing none. Uh, I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing.
>> So, moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. Mick. >> Hi.
>> Harry. >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor's vote chairs. All right. So, team, I think this is pretty clearcut here. Um, I think, like I said, the the only issue we had originally was
the expansion of the enclosed stairway. Everything else was upward expansion as I recall. Um, are there any special conditions we want to include here? Right. I honestly I can't think of any with the limitation of work that's going
on here, but this would be the time we would discuss outside of our normal have a meeting with the um I mean again we're not doing erosion control here because of
the very limited putting a set of stairs in um so any any out of the normal ordering Uh >> just replacing any damaged any um disturbed vegetation >> yeah yeah I think that's covered isn't
Mason doesn't that general conditions I think it's always use is that um >> you know to to be using using from the CCM list you know for >> native coastal plantings. So >> that would
>> so the the only thing the only thing I would suggest on this too is on our normal order order of conditions and general conditions. I mean, if this was a brand new house, we would be looking for an asbuilt
plan uh after the fact to memorialize this where this is so limited. And we've got some push back from some residents on the requirements for for asbill plants on on some minor projects. They've been
running uh I think Joe Spalding it w about $3,500 extra dollars. >> Yeah. So if there's a condition I would propose that I don't think this warrants a as A as A as A as A as A as A as A as A as A as A as plan uh at the
conclusion of work but just a site inspection by the agent you know prior to you know a request for a certificate of complian >> can we just have a >> can we just have a letter from the
project designer that it's built according you know the dimensions are according to plan. Sometimes it's just you just >> Yeah. Could we have a >> have a letter instead? >> So Janine, you're the architect of record on this, aren't you?
>> Yes. >> Okay. So >> yeah, I'd be happy to furnish a letter to provide a letter >> because they track they're going to track any changes anyway. So >> I think that would be >> they get a certificate of they get a
occupancy permit. They're submitting a proposed plan and they have to comply to the plan which is what we have. Okay. All right. So, I will entertain a motion to issue an order of conditions for 25 Harvard Way
with our usual conditions excluding the need for an asbuilt plan uh in exchange for a letter from the architect of record of employees with the plans. move.
>> So that's >> second. >> Okay. So that's Mick. Woody. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick. >> Hi.
>> Harry. >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor's wrote chair. All right. Okay. Thank you everyone. >> Okay. Continue public hearing. D file number 0501453,
34 Central Street. Applicant is submitting a notice of intent for the construction of an MBTA residential housing development at 34 Central Street. Uh Heidi had Marin Herald had notified me that they're requesting a
continuence to our December 2nd meeting. Is that is that correct, Mason? >> Yep. >> Okay. Yeah. Heidi is representing the commission as uh Mason is conflicted because he's in the butter of the property. So I will entertain a motion
to continue the public hearing to the December 2nd meeting at the applicant's request. >> So moved. Second. >> Good. >> Okay. Aaron and Nick. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary?
>> Yes. >> Woody. Yes, >> Nick. >> Hi, >> Harry. >> Yes, >> and Bob Connor's vote. Yes. Uh,
Kathleen, I I see your name on the on my screen. Did you have anything? Did you have anything you wanted to comment on? >> She's here for the enforcement order, I think. Right. >> Oh, okay. Okay.
All right. Uh now one other thing on on this particular project in the dropbox there was a letter of concern on 34 central street from one of the butters. Uh I put that in the dropbox. We we didn't address it when we were doing the
you know the wetland delineation. Uh but I didn't want to lose sight of that. So that was that's in the dropbox. Something to remember when we take this up on December 2nd. Okay. Enforcement order 49 Southern Boulevard for unpermitted work installation of a hot
tub on a coastal dune in a barrier beach. All right, Mason, why don't you give us an overview on this >> and uh Kathleen, welcome. >> Mason just gonna give us a quick and >> then thank you for joining us.
>> Uh, yep. So, the um unpermanent work that was going on was the um installation of a concrete pad to hold a hot tub um on Southern Boulevard. Um so, the resident had reached out um looking for what was needed to be back in
compliance. >> Okay. So, Mason, I know you talked to to Pete, the building inspector. So, Kathleen, you've been in conversation with the building inspector and and our conservation agent. Um, >> what was the guidance that
what's the update of what you're planning? >> So, I mean, honestly, we um it was really the because of our electrician um who was good enough to say, did you get a permit for this? I mean, honestly, we when we purchased the hot tub, you know, we we were traveling, working, and
honestly, it didn't even dawn on me to get a permit. So when I called the building inspector to say I understand from our electrician when we were going to hook it up um and first she said oh he should just get a permit and then we realized that we're on of course Plum Island and and honestly we're aware of this because even when we moved in we
got rid of our asphalt driveway and put in a small area of pavers and stone so we are aware of the but it honestly we didn't really think about it when we were putting in and we ordered the hot tub and put the 10 x10 concrete pad down. So,
um, you know, we want to do what what's, uh, you know, what's the right thing. Of course, we've we've got it there already. I mean, ideally, if there was a way to, you know, obtain the permit for it, that would be the best scenario, but you know, both my husband and I, we we want to do what's um, you know, what's
best. >> Okay. Thank you. So, Mason, you talked to uh, Peter, the building commissioner. I I I'll be I'm with you, Kathleen. I had no idea you needed a permit for a hot tub. >> It didn't. Yeah. >> I learned something I learn something new every day myself.
>> What What What did you discuss with Peter on on this? Mason. >> Uh yeah. So, with the building department, I think it's it's like there's a spa and pool permit that needs to be pulled um to, you know, verify if there's any connections needed to the
house, any underground lines that are needed and things like that. Okay. >> Okay. Uh questions Mary questions for Kathleen on this. >> Um it seems like this is, you know, be handled just like we would do a
generator or some other this sort of project where it needs to be elevated above the the dune. Um I'm curious if there's any vegetation that was disturbed. Um I think that you know we would need a filing for it like we would for any other sort of accessory
structure like this and um and any >> it's a green line it's a it's a grass it's a grass lawn so it's a mode >> grass lawn okay so so yeah some kind of a plan that shows a structure elevated um whether we can do that through an RDA
or if it requires an NOI that's up to the up to the board I actually have to hop off now to another meeting. So, I just wanted to get those comments out for for your consideration. >> Yeah, Mary, what I was thinking was treating it like we did with the merch shed down at Sunset, which is remove the
concrete and put it on a 8 inch high cinder block on each corner. So, there's some migration underneath. >> Yeah. Well, I don't know what you know, when you've got a hot tub, it's full of water, whether that's going to be enough support for the structure
itself. Usually they need to have something. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Concrete at this point. >> Yeah. So it just can't be concrete or sauna tubes. It needs to be >> supported on either helical piles or um
>> or woods. Yeah. >> So some kind of plan from a you know a builder or something. This is >> show that >> this is going to come back as an RDA. We're just trying to give Kathleen some some guidance on >> some ideas. Yeah. >> What to do. Okay. I mean, and I know you
have to jump jump off, but just one option is I mean, we do have a which we didn't think of initially. We do have a a deck that would support and hold the hot tub. So, I mean, we could that's the easy solution if you can get it onto the deck. Yeah. And then, yeah,
>> we could be done with a letter, you know. I mean, it just be an enforcement order to move the hot tub onto the deck and then you wouldn't have to file anything >> if if there's not any further work needed to support it. >> No. >> Yeah. We're going to check on that. We don't think so, but but yes, that's we
want to make sure as well. >> Yeah. Okay. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh Woody, questions on this one for for Kathleen. >> No, I don't have any questions.
>> I don't have any questions. And it sounds like a solution might be in the works there. Whether it's to transfer it to the deck or to remove the concrete and support it on Helios according to the spec specifications for the hot tub. So
>> be interested to see >> what the plan is. >> Hey, thanks Mick question. Thank you. Hello. I'm uh in the same camp with Woody and and Mary just uh we'll see what the uh engineers come up with the
solution and uh no further questions for me. >> Okay, Harry. >> And not at this time, Bob. Okay. So, I mean, one of the thoughts more is that if you remember guys, when we were we had a similar issue with the
merchandise shed down at Sunset, and it was on grade, and it was uh we we said we could elevate it, put it on basically 8 in masonary blocks to get it off the ground. In this case, you could actually
I mean, this could just sit on crushed stone as well on grade, right? I mean, what would be the difference? Well, there was crush stone would not be a a big hurdle where the ped concrete would be and it could sit on grade on crushed stone.
>> Yes. Well, it was originally the area was was um was grasped was mowed lawn. >> Yeah. Mowed lawn. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's not like we're removing resource area then. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think I think it's a viable alternative. Definitely. I mean, rather
than imagine the cost of of moving a hot tub. So, you know, >> Well, I think it I I did write by and take a look at it, Kathleen. It's kind of in a nice spot, too, for your >> for your yard. But, >> okay. So,
>> thank you, Bob. But >> I mean, I think you know what? Yeah. I mean, we're to be honest, we're going to have to move it even if we put crushed stone down because you're gonna have to to move it to to to So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. So you So here's what you're faced with. You can move it to the deck and
you got to remove the concrete or you can remove the concrete, replace that with crushed down and leave it in place. >> Okay. >> I mean, does that sound like a plan game? If uh >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it's reasonable. >> Yeah. If Kathleen, if you want to kind
of think about the options and then get back to me, we can discuss next steps after that. If you guys want a day a day or two to kind of figure out what you guys want to, you know, what the final plan is. >> Yeah. I mean, so I mean, my suggestion is Mason, I think if if the two options are what we
just discussed, move it to the deck and remove the concrete, uh, or remove the concrete and replace it with crushed stone, that this should just be handled administratively at that point. If it varies from there, I I think then it has to come back to us. But that's just my
What do you think of that, Mick? Is that >> Yeah. I mean, it's like it's basically, you know, handling it like an RDA, right? Is that what you're talking about? >> Well, it's, you know, it's an enforcement order. It's a it's >> right. >> I mean, it's a friendly enforcement order. Kathleen called the town to to
say, "This is what I've done and what's my next step." It's not that. >> Yeah. to self-reported. >> No, I I think that's reasonable. I Yeah, I don't think we need to, you know, carry it any further than administrative closure. So, >> Yep. I I agree as well,
>> I agree as well. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So, Mason and Kathleen, if uh if if one of the two solutions is move it to your deck and remove the concrete or remove the concrete and replace it with a crush stone, um I
think you can resolve this administratively. >> Yeah, >> that sounds great. My Yep. We'll look at it. My husband and I will look at those two options and then Mason, we can um you know, let you know what the final decision will be. >> Yep. Perfect. Sounds good. >> Thank you. We still may require a site
we may require a site visit to try the hot tub after you've completed all this >> anytime. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Yeah. All right. >> Okay. Uh staff reports
or updates. Mason any staff reports? >> Uh I yeah have a general project discussion. Actually this was brought up just today. Um, so this may predate some of our board members. Um,
but uh this is for 333rd Street. >> So this >> Oh, yeah. That was a field appeal to court, wasn't it, too? Isn't it superior court? >> Yeah. So, so they're working on the settlement now. And ultimately what's been discussed is um each of the
neighbors on either side are going to be putting in um kind of a monumental concrete or granite post to mark the edge of their properties. Um making sure that they're keeping clear of anything on 33rd Street as well as the beginning of the footpath into the dune. Um so
they have proposed four 6inch posts going in the ground. Um and they are >> to mark a to mark a property border to mark a corner. >> This will be >> concrete bound.
>> The granite bounds. Yeah. So that concrete bound monumentation for survey does doesn't even require permit. >> Um yeah. So well that was the thing. So the uh D had reached out saying that um
they should file an RDA for the installation of these before Friday. Um so that that's just kind of what I was following. >> Yeah. I mean I'm I'm I'm I mean I'm actually positive that granite monumentation for survey
purposes for meetats and bounds uh is is a matter of right. I I don't have a problem with it, but >> yeah, RDA >> bit overkill to mean they wanted a concrete bound as opposed to just
driving an iron pipe to mark a corner. >> Yeah. So I have >> they they want to put the granite they want to put granite monumentation in mix so that it's forever memorializes it tied back to >> Yeah, it makes sense. I get it. Yeah. You know, land court monumentation. >> Yeah.
four proposed locations right here. >> Well, so why don't you just have them submit an IDA >> and you're not you're not going to catch the November 4th because you're going to advertise it >> and then be ready for the December 2nd meeting, but this was more so just kind
of asking the board if if we thought Narda was appropriate. So, um it seems like we should be all set there. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean if D says we should be doing it, my my normal response would be it's survey monumentation,
you know, supersedes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Anything else? Anything else, Mason? >> Um at all. >> So, just out of curiosity on on that 33rd Street one, uh so they're moving
ahead. they've gone through the appeal process and they're moving ahead with construction of that driveway. >> So I think once this uh you know the RDA for the monuments is put in and that gets approved and then D will either be dropping their appeal or issuing a superseding order for the project
continue. >> I thought they issued I thought they issued a superseding order and then that get appealed to Superior Court. >> Uh >> I think that's how that went down. >> That that may be right. I'm not overly familiar with the project.
>> Yeah. >> Um >> Yeah. know it I know that because Tom Hughes was the was the presenter on that >> and and it the better appeal the order of
conditions D issued a superseding order uh and and so I guess if they've issued a superseding order and they're going to settle the superior court case I'm not sure unless D is going to remand it back
to local jurisdiction. But >> maybe they didn't issue a superseding order. I maybe that's But wouldn't it seem to you, Mick, that if they issued a superseding order, they've taken control of the project? >> They own it. I think if Yeah, they issue a superseding order, they own the
project. >> But again, we have a we have a bylaw restricting >> driveways out there on the island. Correct. No, we have a Well, the bylaw allows up to two driveways, right? If you have one, you can have two. So that
>> Right. It defines it. That would be my question. Did they >> Did they I I don't think they can override that bylaw. D. >> Oh, yeah. No, no, no. They I I think what it was is they really affirmed our order of conditions. >> Okay. Right. >> They issue superseding order. It's my
understanding they own it. We don't own it. It's a D project. So maybe what it is is this Mason, these four monumentations aren't shown on their superseding order plan and they want to resolve it by coming to us for
an RDA saying just those four monumentations are okay. >> Gotcha. >> Maybe that if you can get some clarification on that >> regardless if they get it in by Friday or get get it in Thursday, I guess. Um
because you're not here on Friday, we can uh sort through it on December 2nd. But >> Yep. And then I'll have >> Yeah, the lawyers get rich on that one, man. >> Oh, I was going to say the legal costs got to be 10 times what the driveway cost to put in. But
>> yeah, it it uh No, >> Tom Hughes is cleaning up, I guess. I don't know. >> Yeah, it it's Well, you know what? It it it's one of those things that they always parked in the rightway, used it
as a driveway, >> right? >> And then someone complained that they're blocking the pathway to the beach and the town ordered them not to park that they had to park on their own property and that initiated them coming
in to try to get the two parking spots. >> Yeah. >> Uh on their property street or Yeah. Right. They were Yeah. So it just became a whole >> quagmire. [Music] >> It sounds like it's getting resolved. So I guess that's the >> good thing.
>> Great team. Anything else? Mick, any any words of wisdom you want to add before I >> No, no, it's it's duck season, so I'm focused on on on quack quack. >> That's my only focus. How about yourself? No,
>> nothing tonight, Bob. Okay. Woody, can I count on you to make a motion to adjurnn? >> Yes. Motion to adjurnn, Bob, and hope everyone's doing well. >> Okay. Do we have a second? >> We have a second. >> Second. Second. >> All right. All in favor? Woody, Mick,
Harry, Bob. >> I 751. Okay. Thank you everybody. >> Thanks. Thanks. >> See you on Monday. >> Byebye.