Good evening. My name's Bob Connors. At 6 PM, I'd like to call the February 3rd meeting, the new recon conservation commission to order. Mason, can you uh please read the preamble to the remote open meeting law and take a roll call of members present.
>> As a preliminary matter, this is Mason Farret, conservation agent of the New Conservation Commission. Please permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Mary Rimmer, >> Dave Clifford, Mick Brown, >> yes.
>> Harry Trout, Woody Knight, >> yes. >> Frank Wetenamp, >> yes. >> And Bob Connors, >> yes. >> Good evening. This open meeting of the New Conservation Commission is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020 due to the current state of emergency in the Commonwealth.
In order to mitigate the transmission of the CO 19 virus, we've been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to suspend public gatherings. And as such, the governor's order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location. Harry Trout's just joining us now.
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joining. Uh we are now turning to the first item on the agenda. But before we do so, permit me to cover some ground rules for effective and clear conduct of our business and to ensure accurate meeting minutes. The chair will introduce each speaker on the agenda. After they conclude their remarks, the chair will go down the line of members, inviting each by name to provide any
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their names, addresses, and questions. And once the chair has a list of all public commentators, they'll call on each by name and afford three minutes for any comments. Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote. >> Okay. Uh, thank you. Thank you, Mason. All right. Uh, upcoming meeting dates,
March 3rd and April 7th. All right. First order meeting minutes review for the January 6th uh meeting. Let me take a moment to review those for any comments, corrections, or concerns. >> Bob, I wasn't at the the uh January 6
meeting. >> Okay. Well, then Harry, you don't have to vote on it. >> And I was not either, Bob. So, I don't know if we have a forum for that one. Uh, Woody Mick. >> Yep. >> Yep. We do. Okay. >> Have that. >> No. No changes. Bob.
>> Okay. Any changes? Anyone? Woody, you okay? >> Looks good. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to approve the January 6th meeting minutes as written. >> So moved. >> Okay. Woody and Mick. All right. Roll
call. All in favor? Woody. >> Yes. >> Mick. I. >> Frank. Yes. >> And Bob Connors. Hey, uh, next next meeting minutes review for the January 20th meeting. Why don't we take a moment to
review those, see if there's any comments, corrections, or concerns? >> I make a motion to approve as written. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Harry. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes, >> Woody.
>> Yes, >> Mick. >> Uh, abstain. I was not present. >> Okay. Harry, >> yes. >> Uh, Frank, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor is voters. Okay. All right. First order of business
uh is a certificate of compliance for D file number 050361, 37 Annapolis Way. applicant is submitting a request for a CRC for an expired order of conditions. An order of
conditions was issued to a previously constructed home that was lost to storm damage. Mason, why don't you give us a quick update and overview on this? You're you're on mute, Mason.
>> Excuse me. Uh yeah, this is an outdated order of conditions. This is from 1988 for 37 Annapolis Way. Um if you look at the order of conditions, there are no special conditions that um you know make
the um you know make it obvious on you know any of the extent of the project and things like that. Um there was no attached plan or even written plan on the order of conditions. Um and it's you know over 30 years old at this point. Um
I was able to drive by the house today. there's no ongoing work done and since then there has been um a newer notice of intent filed an order in an order of conditions was issued and then that project was also closed out as well. >> Yeah. So just background because this
actually is next door to me. This was Tom K was the owner back in 1988. He had built a new home. Uh it was lost due to storm damage uh in 2013 as I recall. And
then a former member TJ Ki uh and his wife bought it, filed for an order of conditions, built their new home, and got a certificate of compliance issued. Uh in a recent title search, this old order of conditions came up. Uh so
they're looking to clear clear the title on it. So that's the background on it. Uh questions? Any questions? Mary, any questions on this one? >> No. Thanks, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. Woody, any questions? >> No, I'm good. Thank you, Bob. >> Thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions?
>> No questions, Bob. >> Harry, how about yourself? >> Nope. No questions. >> Okay. And Frank, any questions? >> No, no questions. >> All right, David, welcome. We We're just on the first order. It was a certificate of compliance for 37 Annapolis Way. I I
I can feel the pain of you driving in traffic back from from Burlington. I was I'm surprised I came in on two wheels into my driveway. I'm surprised there's no state police following me. So, yeah, tried to make it. >> Okay. Uh so, David, I don't know if you
heard the if if I just noticed that you had joined the call. This was a expired order of conditions, a certificate of compliance. Really just clearing up the title. A new home was built. New order was issued. Certificate issu certificate
of compliance was issued. closing that one out. So, um, we have we already have a quorum on on the vote, so if you you want to just abstain, that'd be fine. >> Yes, I'll abstain. I I didn't hear that. I like I said, I just sat down, so I apologize.
>> Okay. All right. Mason, any raised hands from the public at this time on this matter. >> Seeing none. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 37 Annapolis Way. >> So moved. Second.
>> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick? >> Mick. Mick, you're on mute. You're on mute. Mick. >> Sorry. I >> Okay. Uh, Frank. >> Yes. >> All right. And David, you're going to
abstain and I vote yes. Okay. >> I am. >> That's all set, Mason. Great. >> Okay. Okay, next order of business is request for determination of applicability uh new upper green project. The town of Nubry is submitting an RDA for proposed
maintenance work at the upper green. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this matter? >> Yeah, so we had discussed this a while ago um where the town wanted to do something with the upper green. Um we had talked about vegetation removal, treatment of the water and things like
that. Um and ultimately it was decided that we should come in for a formal filing >> [snorts] >> um because it is a resource area. Um so myself um DPW have been working with the DOSA environmental consulting crew um to get something permitted for some
maintenance activities um to make some improvements at the upper green. Um so Evan is here with D. Roza Consulting and she is going to present on behalf of the town. >> Okay, Evan, welcome. if you just give us your name and then your association with the project.
>> Okay. Good evening, commissioners. Evan Genderan of D. Rose Environmental. I am here on behalf of the town of Newberry to um talk about our request for determination of applicability number two and number three um for some
activities to improve the water quality um and open water habitat at the upper green pond. Um, [clears throat] I can share my screen if that's okay. >> Um,
I think this should work. Um, no. All right. So, I'm sharing the the RDA text um for now. Um, I just thought I would go through um what the proposed project elements are. And then I have some um the planting plan I can go
through and some photos. So um Mason gave a pretty good um introduction to the project. The town had reached out to us for help um figuring out how to improve the water quality and open water habitat at the
upper pond green. Um as you know the the quality of the the pond has deteriorated over time. it's become rather shallow with a buildup of soft sediment um at the bottom. Um
so we had consulted with um a pond management expert um to try to figure out okay well what are the best strategies um to help manage this pond um over time without having to dredge it
out um and have uh direct >> impacts to the land underwater body. >> That's just interesting. So we [clears throat] are proposing to install a single surface airator um which would be placed in the center of the pond
um and it would connect to the existing electrical outlets that are already on the site. Um this airator would be installed to help circulation um and get some uh the oxygen leveled up in the pond.
And that would be installed in the spring through the summer and then it would be removed each winter. Um in conjunction with that um we would implement this mukbiotics bacteria treatment and this only works when the
oxygen levels are higher. And it's this product um they're probiotic tablets. So, it's kind of like um emergency tablets that you would put in your water and it dissolves and it helps, you know, with your imu immune system support.
This is similar. So, they're tablets that you put in the water and then it goes down and it breaks up that soft sediment, that organic matter that's built up at the bottom. Um and then we are also proposing to
install a buffer strip um in the buffer zone around the pond. And this is to help um basically filter any inputs into the pond so that it would help protect the water quality um in there. And it
would be all native plantings, low maintenance. Um, we included a long-term operations and maintenance plan so that we can prevent woody invasives from occupying the space. Um, it would only be mowed once a year um just to to help
keep that habitat alive. And um the last is we included the use of herbicide treatments and this is only in there for like an as needed basis. Um there has been um a significant amount
of spike grass that has occupied um the pond now that the water levels are down. Um and we're hoping that the use of the air raator, the buffer plantings and the biotics will um help manage that more. But um just in case it
does keep growing um and takes over more space, we would like to include the use of herb herbicide treatments to control that spike grass um or any other vegetation that seemed to have uh grow in there. Um that would be used on an as
needed basis. We would and um be applied by an herbicide or certified herbicide applicator. Um so those are the activities that we are um requesting a negative determination for. I can show the
planting plan. So as you can see it'll go around the perimeter here. It'll be mowed once a year. We include purple cone flour, common yarrow, lup pine, bergamont, New Jersey tea, milkweed, switchgrass, red
fescue, little blue stem. So that'll help with diversity. It's all lawn now, right up to the edge of the pond. Um, so it'll improve diversity, habitat, and um, a buffer for for filtering nutrients.
Um, and then I do have photos um, just in case. So, here's the pond. You can see where the water level should be at. It's much lower. Um there's a huge buildup of organic material
um in the in there's the inlet. It's um the only inlet to the pond is from a storm drain from High Road. And here's historic aerials. So it's been there forever. >> That's pretty much the gist. I can
answer questions. >> Yeah. So Evan, just just a quick question and you may have already covered this. the existing vegetation that was on the w within the I'm going to call it the the the upper edge um
originally that's what the town wanted to remove that vegetation. Is that still happening or is that where you're going to be doing the herbicide treatment? What happens to that? Just so I in a layman's uh point of view, what happens to that?
>> Yeah. So the idea is to not directly you know go in there with any machines and remove that or pull it out by hand right now. Our hope is that by you putting in the air raator using the mukbiotics putting in the buffer strip will kind of
help in other ways so that we won't have to come in and remove all that. Um, we kind of want to wait and see how that does before we go in and use the hericides to try to remove it. >> What What is the timeline on that
treatment when you determine it's a success or we move on plan B? >> Yeah. So, that's a really good question. Um, all of this is largely dependent on funding and and and budget. Um, so I
know that the airator, the muk biotics, and I believe the buffer strip plantings, Mason, correct me if I'm wrong, those are all planned to go in as soon as possible given the permitting. Um, and then, you know,
maybe a year later, we'll reassess to see how it's working. Um, and then go from there. >> Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Evan. I'm going to open this up to the members. Mary, questions for for Evan on this project. >> Um, yeah, thanks Evan for the
presentation. Uh, this is something that the town has been wrestling with for a number of years and I know they've had aators in this pond in the past >> and also a bunch of different treatment methods that they've tried in the past. Um so
you know it it's good to see that there's an effort being put towards improving the water quality there which is largely impacted by the storm water runoff and the geese that land in the pond. Um my understanding is that there is an outlet um or or at least another
inlet. There was a another project we had, I think it was on Bittersweet land, Bob, that Tom Hughes was involved in and there was a perennial stream that was I think he said was connected to this this um
this upper green pond. Whether it's an inlet or an outlet, I can't recall, but if it's an outlet, it discharges eventually to the little river, which is right in part in ACC. So that's I that was my first question. >> Sure. So, I think you're referring to this one
here. >> Yep. Yep. And it does show right under your red line on the actual USGS map a connection to that pond. >> I see if on like the the GIS data layer. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. So, I know Mike had gone out there and searched high and low and walked around to try to find that connection and we couldn't. >> So, we did write up a little narrative on that >> flow towards it. Okay. Yep. All right.
>> We think that it just kind of ends here into this this low spot depression >> and it doesn't there's no culvert or anything below the road that actually reaches to the pond. >> Yeah. It's interesting because the USGS
map shows it as a perennial stream which which became a problem for that other project where >> it was upstream. Um, so that's helpful information. I mean, it may be that it's it it's defunct or buried or no longer functional, but it it looks like it
might have at one point >> been the drainage that fed to this pond. >> Um, >> couple quick questions about the planting. Are you using um live seed? Are you using seed or live plantings for
the buffer plantings? Is that seed mix or is that Oh, gallon pots. Okay. You've got gallon pots. Okay. Those are live plants >> and and there's a bunch of cattail at the north end there. Is that going to stay in place or are you targeting that as well?
>> It's there's no plan to manage the cattail at this point. Um >> yeah. Um and then the monitoring, what type of monitoring are you going to be doing to
determine how successful this is? Is it, you know, dissolved oxygen or vegetative growth or turbidity? What are you what are you looking at? >> That's also a good question. Um [laughter] >> Mary always has good questions.
>> She does, doesn't she? [laughter] Surprise, surprise. >> Yeah. I think what the town was looking for is solutions for the least maintenance possible. [clears throat] >> Um, so
I don't think >> so for we did include like a long-term monitoring and maintenance protocol for the plantings, >> but not necessarily for the water quality. >> Okay. >> So, if that's something the commission would like, we can
Well, um, >> put something together >> where this has been kind of an ongoing thing where lots of different things have been tried and failed. You know, it'd be nice to be able to understand sort of baseline pre and post treatment somehow [clears throat]
>> to, you know, to be able to have some benchmark for success, >> right? >> I don't think that anything you're proposing is going to have an adverse effect. I mean, you know, the So, I guess that would be my only
question is is there some sort of a um a longer term monitoring plan that would be able to be provided as part of this and maybe that's something that we could make a special condition about and that could be submitted after approval. Um,
and you can negotiate that with the town. Which agency are you which department are you working with for the town? Is this DPW? >> DPW is the applicant, but I've been um speaking with Mason as well. >> Okay. >> Um
>> yeah, >> so those are my thoughts. I guess that's at this point. Thanks, Bob. >> Okay. Yeah, I think I think Mary you brought up a very good point, Evan. What would be great is if we knew what the oxygen levels are now >> and what is the target level for the uh
oxygen levels via the the aeration system. >> Okay. >> But in this time of year we won't be able to determine that obviously. Well, I just saying for the ongoing monitoring. >> Exactly. They could just >> when they when they put the system in, it'd be great to >> document the the oxygen levels
>> and and and then >> so this would so Mary, I mean, typically we would want to have a if we decide this is a negative determination, we would still recommend that there be a pre-construction meeting with the the agent prior to the start of any
>> and and at that point, I think if we could record or determine the oxygen levels and then with a follow-up memo to Mason targeting what the levels we want to reach for the levels to, you know, create more of a healthy environment
here and to um initiate this, you know, this process that you're looking at to remove some of this vegetation >> or organics. Okay, Mary, anything else? I'm >> yeah just at the previous project I remember there was some kind of
innovative pilot treatment using some kind of beads um some of the members might remember this >> I remember the airator they I remember the aation >> the airator was there but then they had some some professor that had some thought of that I can't remember exactly what the beads were going to do but obviously
>> it was maybe they maybe they worked for a while and they're not working anymore >> if I may I think that was some sort of a algae >> it was an algae problem right Yeah. >> Yep. That's right. And so it was it was specifically for that. I see that there's a huge algae problem, but
eventually the pond needs to be dredged and you know that won't solve a lot of the problems, but that's the more expensive solution. >> Exactly. That would that's the that is what has been recommended, but there's >> a huge cost to that.
>> So these are just band-aids. Yeah. >> First steps. First steps >> for now. What we can do for now. Mary, anything else? >> No, thank you. >> Okay, thank you. Mary Woody, what what's your you're a historian on all this stuff. What what's your recollection of
most of this? >> Um, I know that was a pilot um proposes a pilot project for uh experimental algae removal. And I remember the person who was doing it,
don't remember his name, but he was reporting success, but it, you know, that was out there for a while and it's gone now. But I think I think from what I've heard tonight and a lot of good comments and questions, but what I've heard tonight, raising the oxygen levels
in the pond to make it healthier would be a big help. Um, my only question is on on [clears throat] years when we have a lot of rain and the pond's full, these plantings that are proposed, they they'll thrive and still survive on when
the water levels are higher. >> So, yes, the plant the plants are proposed. Forgive me, I have I'm don't know how filled this pond gets. Um but the the plants we are proposing are
fak up and upland species. There is a few fak but none of these are obligate or wetland species that can stay underwater for long periods of time. >> Okay. >> But I imagine in a in a rainy scenario
the water would come up but it wouldn't stay up there long enough to kill the the plants. >> Okay. Uh that was my only question and kind of concern but um other than that no if I have anything else I'll I'll speak up. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Y >> Mick any questions on this project with uh Evan? >> Uh just just one Evan. I just maybe back up and take more of a 40,000 foot look. And I apologize if I missed this in your presentation, but what is the overall
objective for this project? Is it to preserve you know the aesthetics of the feature or public use or reduce you know maybe public health issues associated with you know bacteria like algae in the water and things like that
like what's the overall objective? >> So the yes the upper green is used for recreation and it's for you know public benefit to preserve the open water habitat that this pond provides. So that's the goal. Right now the open
water habitat has um diminished because of the organic buildup. The water level depths are not at optimal you know heights. There's a lack of oxygen. So it's you it's utrifying right now which
is what we're trying to >> to slow down. >> Okay. Yep. That was my only question. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you Mick Harry. Any any questions on this project? >> Oops.
>> I don't think we lost Harry. >> Okay. If Harry >> Yep. So, so you you um Evan, you had mentioned that you know this is I don't know the third try in in doing this. There was multiple tries, multiple
scenarios using airators to to help. What makes you believe that this was going to be different than what we've done in the past? >> So, I actually did not know that this was there was multiple attempts. I think um one of the commissioners had brought
that up. Um but we had consulted with uh wetlands and waterways, which is a a land and pond management companies that see these types of ponds all the time. um and they put together this these recommended actions for us um based on
the goals of the town to what we just talked about um preserve the open water habitat for the community um in a in a budget friendly way. So yes, ultimately dredging would be the best way and the quickest way to achieve um these goals.
Um, but taking that option away, these are the next best things. >> Well, if it's best, why didn't why hasn't it worked, >> right? >> I think they didn't keep up with it, Harry. >> Oh, okay. So, so budget cuts or
something and and they re re took the resources and moved them somewhere else and and and that's what why it failed. >> Yeah. The contract ran out. I'm not really sure why. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I just hate to take good money and throw throw it at it and and and it's going to have the same
situation down the road that it's going to fail again. My opinion, >> I I think this is more a stop gap measure to see if we can stabilize it so it doesn't deteriorate any further.
Uh, and I mean I think the biggest problem here was was the the vegetation growing in there, the water level dropping, and then the grease, the geese, you know, just taking over the whole area. It became the neighbors were not that happy. It
wasn't that pleasant to look at, and hence the upper green. Usually we want it looking better than than it does. Um, you know, but Harry, you bring up a good point, Evan. What would be would it be just a simple order of conditions to do
dredging on this or would that where it's not a waterway the army core wouldn't be involved that would still only be local permitting and state permitting. Am I correct on that or >> it's yes, but you also need um this the
401 permit for dredging. >> Okay. But that's but that's still state. >> That's still state. Correct. >> Okay. Okay, Harry, anything else? >> Um, the the the inlet that you
referenced, the the runoff, is that causing a lot of this issue cuz some of this water is is, you know, dirty. It has sentiment in it. It might have chemicals from the salt roadway that, you know, that we're dealing with
right now. Um, sand, you know, is that what's causing this issue as well? Is Do we know that some of the problems from or you know what's causing these problems that that we're dealing with? >> I think it's a large contributor. I
don't know that it's the only reason why. Um but I think it's a big contributor. It's untreated storm water runoff. >> Yeah. And is there any anyone looking into maybe trying to address that as well?
>> That is a good question. I don't know if that is possible for the town at this point. >> Yeah, because I hate for us to spend all this money and then all of a sudden a big rainfall comes and all all that junk gets washed in there and and it's just I
I can just see this ne never ending. >> It kind of goes to, you know, Mary's point. If we can, you know, condition some sort of water quality monitoring into this, we could, you know, sort of
measure, okay, what inputs are going into this pond and then we can bring that information back to the town so that they could use that for decision making down the road. Um, >> sure. I mean to your point Harriet, one
of the things the pH levels of the water from all the salt going in there, what impacts does that have on the overall water quality? >> Yeah. >> So I mean so that so I think it would be it would be very good to have a baseline of what the pH levels were and the
oxygen levels at the start of the project and then use that as a baseline for monitoring. Nick, did you have your hand up? I at one point. >> Uh, no, I'm all set, Bob. Thank you. >> Okay, Harry. Anything else before?
>> No, that that was it, Bob. Thank you. >> No, I think it was a good question, Harry. And then, like I say, the pH levels would be an interesting >> data point to find out about Frank, what do you Any questions on this one? >> No, I'm all set. Thank you, Bob.
>> Okay, David, how about yourself? No, I mean I I um this probably falls outside of our area of of uh responsibility, but um could we put something in there that said this is a no salt zone, so you minimize or
eliminate the amount of salt that goes into that area? >> A state highway, so we can't >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear you, Mary. >> It's a state [clears throat] managed highway. Yeah. >> Okay. And I'm assuming that the I mean again
this probably falls out our area of expertise or responsibility but these are typically um solar powered and they plant them in they have a mooring for them in the middle of the of the field or the middle of the pond and then
um so I don't think will neighbors have a problem with that or no or is it some other type? I've seen something like solar bugs when I was in another town and um >> yeah, this is being plugged into a 110 outlet that already exists in this area.
>> Oh, okay. All right. Okay. All right. >> Yeah. I mean, I I I I think that the the storm drain, as I recall, when we were building the police station, the hydrarology was done there because we had storm water and there there was confusion whether the
high water behind the fire station and the police station was uh heading towards this pond or it was vice versa. Um it There was a great deal of confusion on that that
at at the time I I forget what the final determination was, but it but it was part of the analysis that was being done on the police station project, but okay. Uh any other questions team on this one? >> I have a quick one for Evan. Just what's
the width of that planting zone around the pond? >> Um width of 10 feet. >> Oh, 10 feet. Okay. So that that will also help to filter like the >> any runoff from the fertilizers that are used to on the lawn there. So
>> cap capture some of the organics that are coming poop. Yeah. >> So that's and that's a that's a positive wildlife habitat benefit too. So that's great. >> Okay. Mason, do you I'm sorry. Mary, anything? >> No, that's it. Thank you.
>> Okay. Mason, any questions from you on this? >> Uh no, not right now. Okay, Mason, are there any are there any raised hands from the public on this? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. Uh the the the one omission, Evan,
is I don't see where the diving board is being located in this [laughter] pond, but or the or the the swing. We need to put a tree there with a swing so it gets properly utilized. >> I [clears throat] I was thinking slide, Bob, but >> yeah, the the new upper green water
slide. There. There you go. [laughter] I think we could do a gofundme for that. Make >> Yeah. >> Okay. I don't have any questions. U do any members have requests for a site visit or any additional information? I think we all drive by this thing
pretty much a daily basis >> daily. Yeah. >> Yeah. Several times a day. >> Okay. Uh I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding the epigen project. So moved.
I would second that with some conditions. >> Yep. Okay. Yeah, because I had I had timeline for monitoring plan, pre-construction meeting with the agents, measure oxygen levels and pH levels at the start of construction.
What else did you want to include, Marilyn? >> Um I had work to be overseen by a wetland scientist, which is stated on the plan, so that shouldn't be a problem. um that they provide a pre and post monitoring plan rather than specify the what what to be monitored. Bob, I think
that might be better because I'm not sure PH would necessarily be to instructive in this case, but um if they could provide a pre and post water quality monitoring plan prior to starting the work that only native
plantings be used in the planting zone and that herbicide application requires 14-day notice to the conservation commission. >> Okay. >> Does that sound okay? >> Yeah. No, I think it >> Okay,
>> Mason, you have you have that if you Okay. Okay. So, we have a motion in a second. Uh Mary has added conditions and any any further discussion before I
call for a vote. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick. >> Hi. >> Harry, >> yes. Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes.
>> And Bob Connor's votes, yes. Thank you, Evan. >> Thank you. >> Okay, next matter is 280 High Road. Uh, this is an application, the replacement of a rubble foundation and a buffer zone. The applicant has withdrawn this
request and it'll be eliminated from the future agendas. Okay. Next matter is another request for determination of applicability for 41 Northern Boulevard. Applicant is submitting an RDA for the enclosure of
an existing deck and the installation of new footings. Mason, can you give us a write an overview and a recommendation on this project? >> Yep. Uh so this is all within the existing footprint. Um there is a wraparound porch on this. Let me pull up
the plan real quick. and they're proposing to close it in. Um, and then like the description says with new footings. Um, so no new impacts here. Um, just replacing in kind with new footings >> and the footing types were you said
helical or diamond pair. >> I believe that's what was proposed but we can double check with the applicant. I can share this and if the applicant wants to introduce themselves.
Oh, uh, you're muted, Quint. How's that? Can we hear you? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Hey, good evening, Quint. If you could just give us your name, address, and then make your presentation. Welcome. >> Yep. Quint Caldwell. I live at 26 Mudnock Road in Salsbury, Mass. and I'm
the builder for Jean Fischer uh or to remodel this. And uh you are correct in assuming that we're going to put diamond peers in there. Um the walking situation out there is very tight and we don't want to uh you know complicate any dune grass or or
whatever. So we would be pulling up the decking from the inside of the building and working from the inside uh for the majority of the work. Okay. So, no outward expansion. The footprint will remain the same, Quint on the >> foot footprint is remaining the same. Uh
we're using what is existing that's there. >> Okay. And you're proposing diamond peers replacing what what's there now? Do you >> I can't tell. I I haven't been able to get in there to look so I don't know. >> Okay. Yeah. I think the only thing we
would ask if they are existing concrete sona tubes that you remove those prior to placement. >> Absolutely. >> The diamond peers. >> Y. >> Okay. Why don't I stop there and open this up to questions from the members? Mary, questions for Quint on this project.
I was just looking up where this is located. Um it the only question is what you know this is one of those that fits into the RDA versus NOI. You know it's it's sort of within the footprint of existing work. It sounds like the diamond peers they can they be installed
by hand so you don't need heavy equipment out there. Is that right? >> Correct. >> Okay. Um and I it's hard to tell from this plan where the peer the the colors don't show up very well. So, can you highlight that for me? Um, Mason, where the
addition is? >> Yep. >> It's going around the utility room. And then >> in green, this is what's being enclosed here. >> Okay. >> And then in red. >> Oh, okay. So, it's on the front. It's on
the lower part of the plan, not the >> Okay. That was clear to me. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's being added. Yep. >> And then the green is >> And then I believe that this is too. >> No.
>> So those are existing porches that are there. >> Yeah. >> So the the utility room area is an existing porch. >> It's an existing deck >> that you're proposing to enclose. Okay. So the footprint hasn't changed. Okay. >> Right.
>> So the red is that correct? Is that what you want to close in? Yeah, we want to build that little utility room. >> Okay. And the green where it shows covered deck, is that all coming out? >> No, that all covered deck is is basically staying. Uh we're removing all
the decking to work on the inside for the uh diamond peers. And I don't know how many are going to go in there because we have to do it to code. So I, you know, I have to figure out basically how many are needed for that.
>> Okay. I still don't understand what's happening in the green. You're taking out the flooring and then putting in deck uh new supports. Is that being enclosed as well? >> Yes. So, the that green along the front of the building is all being enclosed. >> Okay.
>> And we're removing the wall on the inside of the building to the front door where the door swings in. >> Okay. Those the three walls are coming out and okay, we're enlarging the inside of the house to the front of the deck,
>> including that front closet area. >> Uh that front closet is the existing deck. We're just going to close it in. Yes. Correct. >> Okay. So So that is coming all the way to the edge of the existing. Okay. >> And then the And then what's the difference between what you're doing in the green and what you're doing in the
red on the other side? >> Okay. So the red and the other side is um there's an existing deck that has to be rebuilt and removed. So we we have to put in a stronger deck of the same size that's there to uh hold
the utility room and the bathroom. >> Okay. >> So now that's that's sort of new construction, you know, demolition and new construction still within the footprint of the existing. Exactly.
>> Covered deck. So, they're not It's not really They're both being added. Um you're It's just that you're rebuilding the deck on the back. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And we'll be rebuilding the deck on the front, too, to to make it um
>> Okay. >> capable of holding. >> I guess it's just the key is a little confusing because it it doesn't clearly say what what's happening in each of those areas. And then there's another cross-hatched area. I guess that's just the removal of the
walls. Okay. >> Um that crosshatch Yeah, that's an interior uh removal. >> Okay. All right. Thanks, Bob. That's all I have for now. >> Okay. So, Quint, I just have a question.
Mason, can you drop that plan down a little bit so we can see more of the utility room and bathroom or raise it up, I guess. >> Yep. One second. >> Okay. Yeah, that's great. Now, what is that other
lines around the backyard there? Is that fencing >> uh where that deck? No, that's actually a like a California seating area around that deck. >> So, the deck is that big? >> Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. So, this interior section of the deck is what you're going to reinforce >> and then fully enclosed. What's happening with the rest of that deck? >> Well, the deck has failed, so it has to be replaced.
So, we are going to put it >> we're going to make it the same. It's the same size. Uh we're just going to remove where you know the whole frame and put the frame back. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, you we're just missing a lot of details on this Quint as far as
So, that entire What's the area of that deck back there? are just it looks like we were doing just the red and the green area, but now that expanded area. Uh >> yeah, that deck is 286 square ft. >> Okay.
>> Uh it's 12'6 by 22 feet long. >> Okay. Well, I I just think we need to add some more notations on this at at a minimum to to identify the entire scope of the work. Um I I think you've mentioned there's not going to be any
expansion of the footprint, >> but you're probably going to be adding diamond pairs to the back deck as well. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Okay. I'm going to hold there and open this up. Mary, anything else? And I'll circle back too. >> Yeah. Thank you. I think having a having
a plan view, you know, we're showing the lot and the house, you know, so there's some context would be helpful. >> Yeah. Uh Woody, questions for Quint on this. >> Um I just have the comment that maybe a few more details would be helpful, but I have no questions at this time.
>> Thanks. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, questions for Quint on this. Mick, you're on mute if you Did we Did we lose Mick? [laughter] >> No, I'm here. >> Okay. >> Uh no, Quinn. Um thanks for joining us
today. No, I think [clears throat and cough] Excuse me. What would be helpful to us is uh once you can get eyes on the project uh be I think helpful to us to see where the diamond peers are going to go like [snorts] how many peers are you going to
be installing, what's needed, you know. I think so. Just as Mary and and Woody have said, just a little bit more detail in the plan, they'll help us. >> Oh, I I totally agree. The building inspector needs, you know, more detail in order for anything to happen as well.
>> So, we're in the process of getting that uh you know, drawn up. >> Okay, >> great. >> Yeah. I mean, Quint, you're you're you're premature coming before us, I think, because you once you have those plans done for the building department,
I think, because it's going to show you're going to have a a plot plan showing lot coverage and this and that. >> That's But that's kind of we almost need the same package and then we can make a determination for you at that point. >> Absolutely.
>> When when when is that package going to be? >> Uh within a week. >> Okay. Okay. All right. Uh Mick, anything else before I move on to >> No, no, I'm all set. Thanks, Bob. Thanks, Quint. Appreciate it. >> All right, Harry, questions for Quint.
>> Uh, no questions. Just the same concerns, just more information, more visuals to help us make a determination here. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any any questions with uh for Quent on this? >> No, none at this time.
>> Okay, David, how about yourself? Any questions? No, I have no questions. >> Okay. So, Quint, what I'm going to suggest is uh I I don't think the commission can make a determination tonight based on the limited information that we have. I think the information
that you're going that is coming that you're going to be presenting to the building department should satisfy if not all most of the the questions we had on just the exact scope. you're going to have to identify your spacing and uh and where your
diamond pairs are going to go so that it matches code. Um so at at this point what I would suggest is you ask us to continue this to our March 3rd meeting and when you get that information come back in.
>> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. Any Does that sound good team? That >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> We'll see you in March 3rd. Once you get that info, get it over to Mason and then he can distribute it to the members.
>> Absolutely. >> Uh but but thank you. >> Thank you for a preliminary look at this. I appreciate it. >> Okay, great. All right, next matter is a new public hearing. Uh does this have a D file number yet, Mason? This is on the
Newbury Town Beach project. >> Uh it didn't when we posted the agenda, but it does now. So, it's file number 0501459. >> 1459. Were there any technical comments on that as of yet or is it just >> um I can double check.
>> Yes. Yes. The national uh natural heritage >> comments are required. >> Okay. Okay. So, new public hearing D file number 0501459. Newbury Town Beach project. Patana Newbury is submitting a notice of intent
for the removal of debris and the reestablishment of existing beach accessways. Uh Mason, could you give us an overview on this? >> Uh yeah, so this is another project um that the town was interested in completing and so we had reached out to
the D. Roza consulting team um to get some help on this. Um there's various different um public accessways on Plum Island that the town wants to reestablish and be able to maintain um for the future. Right now over the years um you know we've had sand blown in or
wash in um and kind of you know me mess up these paths and and make them a bit more um you know confined than than we'd like for public access ways. Um, so the intent of this is to remove some of the obstructions that we have in these public access ways um and reestablish
clean paths to the beach um with mobility mats um so that we can keep people off the dune and getting to and from the beach uh properly. Um so [clears throat] yeah, Evan is here to present again on behalf of the town. >> Okay, Evan, just give us your name and
association of this project and give us your presentation. >> Okay, thank you commissioners. Seven vendor of D. Roast Environmental. I'm here on behalf of the town of Newberry for the proposed um notice of intent application on Plum Island to install
seasonal mo seasonal mobility mats um and uh remove miscellaneous debris from several um 10-ft rightway accessways to the beach. Um and I can share my screen.
[clears throat] All right. So, um I just have the uh D um NOI portal up just to show you that yes, we did get a file number. Um and the only technical comment is um that we need natural heritage comments before we
can close the hearing. Um I have been in touch with both natural heritage um and D analyst um on this project um just to keep things moving. So
the town has reached out to us um for help with permitting some the placement of seasonal mobility map. Um they would like to place it at 35th Street, 17th Street, which is across from Mad
Martha's um 7th Street, Fifth Street, Third Street, and then this town property here at U0220. >> Do you have Are you referring to a plan? Could you put it up, please? If you
>> Oh, it says my screen sharing has paused. Let's see. >> We're looking at the data portal. So, >> ah, I'm gonna have to stop share and reshare. I see when I moved. Sorry about that. >> No, no problem.
>> Okay. How's this? >> You see my screen now? The plan. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Yep. So, um here's 35th Street. This is the most north
um access way. And then working down we have 17th street, 7th, 5th, 3rd Street with the conjoining parcel map U2 lot 20.
We have Plum Island Center, the intersection of Harvard and Forom Ways and then the access at Temple Boulevard. So, the town would like to put seasonal mobility mats um at each of these
locations varying from five feet or 3 ft wide to 5t wide. Each of the mobility mats will have a perpendicular or t like end um at the beach end so that anybody with mobility or access um prohibitions
can then turn around using those tea um sections to then go back the other way. um those will be placed seasonally um before and after nesting season so it won't be interrupted which is April 1st
through August. So they'll go in before April and removed after August. Um and this will all be done by the town seasonally. Um possibly with the use of um equipment if needed. Um, I think they
were looking to use a just a smaller skid steer to help with this. [clears throat] Um, they're also so they had hired a third party to help review um any obstructions
that were on town land uh throughout the Plum Island accessways. and the third party reviewer came back with several areas where there was either snow fencing or makeshift steps um that happened to encroach into these
access ways. So, this application is also proposing to remove those obstructions um just to make um accessibility clear and comfortable for for the public. So
Plum Island is barrier beach as you are all familiar. So impacts are to dune and beach. Um you can see in some of these are aerials that there is bar dune vegetation um within the accessways. So um
the intent of this is to maneuver the placement of the mobility bats as much as possible so that the least amount of dune vegetation would be covered um as possible. Uh we did send a copy of this application to Natural Heritage. They
have I believe it's 30 days um to review and come back with a letter. So, we're still waiting on that. Um, but that's the gist of the project. Um, I do have this is the mobility mat that we're talking
about. So, it's this blue um polyestery fabric um that they'll place down. And then I do have photos. We use um matt dot mass.pictometry viewer that
actually had 2025 um aerials. So there's this photo appendex attached to the the notice of a TET application um that shows these access ways. So here's this a this is Third Street. So
you can see that there's no fencing um that sort of encroaches into the the access way. So that's part of the debris. And then this is that U220 parcel. There's a small portion of their m the makeshift stairs that um
encroached onto the property. So that's proposed to be removed. This is the um Temple Boulevard. So no vegetation will be covered here. It'll just be along the path that's already existing for the seasonal
mobility [clears throat] map. Here's the intersection of Harvard and Forom Way. Again, very clear access. No um vegetation coverage here. Same at the Plum Island Center.
This is Fifth Street. This one will be able to be maneuvered so that no vegetation coverage, maybe just a small portion. Here's Seventh Street. This is 17th Street across from
Martha's. It's pretty defined path here. And then this is the the 35th Street. So, this one has the the most vegetation, but I think the three- foot wide path should be able to to fit for the most part within what's the path that's already established.
Excuse me. Um, but that that's pretty much the project. Um, I'm happy to answer questions. >> Okay. >> You have any. >> Great. So, members from the quest questions from the members. Mary,
questions for Evan on this. >> Um, yeah, I'm I'm familiar with the Moby Mats. They work great when they're in place. Um, getting them in and out can sometimes create be more of an impact. And so, >> I' I'd like to have some more
information on how that would occur to minimize that. and also whether or not the town adds sand. There's any nourishment on these paths to keep them from, you know, becoming valleys, uh, you know, too deep cut through the dune. I don't know, maybe
Bob may know something about that. Um, but they do they do have rollup mats. You know, the Moby mats are pretty light and can be removed. Um, they come in sections that are connected together and those can be rolled up by hand, so don't require equipment. But if they're going
to using a wood mobility mat, that'll be heavier and um that might require some heavy equipment. So if if you could in the It seems like we're going to have to continue this because we don't have natural heritage comments tonight, but if you could provide that information at
the next hearing, that would be helpful. I think we have it. So we talked with the DP DPW and they have um equipment on hand that they would like to use. So they are proposing to use
yes debris removal may be conducted by hand if possible or by the use of a 48 inch wide tracked skid steer. So that's what they would also use to help um place and remove the moi matitionally.
Yeah, because they're if they're they can do some >> yeah, >> they can create some u fair amount of sand movement as well um >> okay >> during installation depending on how they're operated. So that would just be the only concern that this this would be
a different >> okay >> you know how it's implemented and whether or not the you know putting them in and taking them out are [clears throat] um doing more harm than good than than having them in place during the season
when a lot of that sand is uh accreing anyway. So that would be one question I have and the other one is um about your seasonal your time of year restrictions, you know, getting them in by before April 1st. I mean that's not very long
from now. So that may be really early some years to be able to accommodate. And so it you may in your conversations with natural heritage try to work out um you know a um a management plan so that if this work is done under the
supervision of a monitor you know a shrubber monitor or something that that you have some relief from that um those time of year restrictions to so that they could put them in later because I think that's going to be there still you know a lot of potential storm damage
happening that time of year and um it could be a really late a really early installation that might present a problem. >> They will work with you um if you have a habitat management plan. >> One more step, you know, that the town
have to undertake to do this, but it's just something to consider so you're not tied to that date. >> No, Mary, excellent points. typically every spring and they usually wait till about just before Memorial Day uh to and
some years they have to bring in sand just to to restore the bottom of the riderway where a scour may have washed it out and any type of putting down mats of sand prior to that time frame it it
this you don't know what you're going to get for storm damage at that point And I think you bring up an excellent point that having these mats being to be installed at a later date with a proper monitor um they go in rather quickly.
They actually the property owners in the Plum Island, excuse me, Pitter Hall had supplied MOI mats in some areas already. Harvard Way extension which is shown has had a moi mat there I think for the last
four or five years and and it goes in rather quickly comes out comes out easily. The the dilemma is the wash out at the very bottom at the the toe of the dune where it reaches the upper beach. If if
wave action is eroded that to a point that that has to be sand has to be added. then you get into almost a public safety aspect of it. But so I so Evan I think adding some component there for in we're
going to have to wait for the natural heritage letter. But I would give them a heads up as Mary suggests that uh the the reality of the way king tides and storm action happens that these mats may
need to go in at a later date and with the proper monitoring you know the clover monitor or whatever. >> Okay. I know we we've done that on some of the other IDAs, Mary, on I think the Blue Hotel when they were having some work done to get stairs done
>> and we were able to work out something there. But I think excellent point. All right, I'm going to start. Anything else, Mary, before I move on? >> Uh just that you might want to add to the this order the potential for doing some um sand nourishment as needed. I
don't know if it's in there already, but you know, rather than having to get a separate permission for that, if there are some if some repairs are needed to these >> paths in terms of elevation, um that it' be included in this filing.
>> Good idea. Thank you. >> Yeah, they go hand in hand. You have to have one with the other. So, no, excellent point. Okay. Any anything else, Mary, before I move on? I'll circle back, obviously. Okay, Woody, your thoughts on this? >> Um, well, thank you for the
presentation. Very, very informative. Um, some good comments have been made already and I I don't have any questions. My my only comment is I do agree with what's been said already by Bob and Mary that we do get some
interesting storms in the month of April. Um, so to have some measures to have a alter alternative plan to put some of these in later later on in the year would be great. So, and
that's all for now, Bob. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Eddie. Mick. Questions for Evan on this one? >> Yeah, thank you, Bob. Um, hi Evan. Thanks again for the presentation. A couple of quick questions. Just I'm not familiar with these mats. Are they rigid? Are they flexible fabric?
like >> they are flexible. So, um I put some So, that that's the picture of it. Here's a closeup. It's um >> giant scotch pad is what you want to visual. [laughter]
I I mean, it's a heavy woven plastic fabric that will let water and a little bit of sand penetrate through it. >> Yeah. Right. And they are they just pinned like with stainless steel pins or >> Yeah, they are. >> Okay. All right. Um yeah, the only thing
I I you know, maybe speaking out of turn for the rest of the commission, but [snorts] um some of the proposed locations suggest removal of [snorts] of beach or dune vegetation. And my only suggestion is, you know, can
they look at alternative locations where there would not be vegetation removal or some type of redesign? Uh I know there's, you know, from 30 37th down to uh Plum Island Center that I think there's four access points. I
mean that's a what about a mile mile and a half maybe. So [snorts] that's, you know, that's quite a few access points and, you know, do we really need all those access points if some of them are going to require that vegetation be removed? So
just a consideration going forward. Other, you know, other alternative locations like if 37th is going to remove vegetation, [clears throat] can we move it to 39th or a little bit, you know, south of that or north of that or something like that? That that would be my only suggestion. But, you know, and
and I'm assuming that the whole, you know, goal here is to provide, you know, uh, dis disabled America, you know, disabled people access to the beach. >> So, it's primarily an ADA compliant project. So, yeah, that was it. That was
it. I think I think just look for alternatives. If we're going to remove vegetation, >> can we move it to another location? Can we can we move or reduce the width [snorts] and still be ADA compliant and not remove vegetation if we don't have to?
>> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Mick, the the one thing is we're we're we're locked into public rightways. One of the big things down here, and I can speak for myself, >> the shortest distance to the beach is where people want to go. I mean, we have
people cutting through our yard on a [snorts] >> on a on a daily basis and >> and it, you know, I think that's part of it. Uh, the problem is they haven't been maintained. So, they sand drips in, vegetation creeps in,
>> but these are also emergency access points to get people off the beach if we have a, you know, an injury or a drowning or or something worse. So, >> yeah. Overall, I think it's a great project. I mean really provide access and egress, you know,
>> like you said, emergency eress is is a great thing. So >> yeah, I just say if we can minimize removing vegetation, then we can work that into the plan, then it's it's best for everybody. So yeah, >> maybe there's an area too where we can
put vegetation. Uh >> yeah, replacement areas are fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. >> Okay. [snorts] Anything else, Mick? >> No, no, thank you. And thanks, >> Perry. >> Um, my only question is how'd you come
up with the access points because I know that access points down in the southern part of the island have the MOI mats already. Um, I know several neighbors that put them in and take them out. Um,
are you replacing those or you adding to the the length of those? I think it's to get them permitted so that the operation of removing them and placing them uh is covered by an order
rather than just an ad hoc >> okay >> neighborhood thing. >> Okay. >> I think they could you I mean you're 100% right Harry because down at Temple I think you have one of these. You have one at Harvard. >> Yeah. >> Um that I know of. So >> yeah,
>> there could be some collaboration there. What's existing and what's not. >> Well, I know the northern part of Newberry on the island needs them because I see a lot of people walking all over the dunes and to get to the beach on a hot sunny day. So I think
they truly make a lot of sense. So um I do not have any questions. Those were just comments. So I'm all set. Thanks, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions or comments on this? No, I have no questions. Thank you, Bob.
>> Okay, David, any questions or comments? >> Um, the only question was I'm I'm not sure there's a lot of ramps and uh or access points. Just curious kind of how that was defined, how determined. Do you need that many? And the problem is I see
is a parking issue as as it always is on the island. And um is this going to drive the need for handicapped parking spots and things like that? people with access issues. Um so just a cur just curious how how they look at that how these things are linked either directly
or indirectly. >> Yeah. So just being out here for long time these are already used by people neighbors people that you know obviously if you live on the water it's it's it's pretty direct route to get to the beach.
>> Yeah. But but if you if you live on the Landwood side of Northern Boulevard, you know, heading heading west, these are all the access points. And I'll be honest with you, if if you took a if you took a vote of everybody, they'd want 20
more access points going to the beach. No one wants to walk another 50 feet, never mind another quarter of a mile. >> Sure. Sure. So, but it's no, I think it's a it's a good question.
We're not going to get to eliminate an a beach right away. Uh I think mixed point on if there's some area that we have a substantial amount of vegetation that needs to be removed. uh if it can be transplanted into a
joining fl you know a sparse area or at some point down the road that there's an area that needs to be reveated we can quantify it and tie it in somehow but >> yeah I think I think my my thought was more if you reduce the the number of
access points but you made them more inclusive so you had parking for someone that had someone some some folks that had mobility issues is that the better I don't know. It's just more just a a thought that that was going through my head as we're as we were reviewing the slides.
>> Yeah, the the MOI mats provide an opportunity for someone in a wheelchair. The the elevation and slopes are are going to make it uh somewhat challenging, I think. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> but the reality is there's on street parking by permit only and there are no
handicap parking spots at these these are really more public access uh that someone could probably use for handicap access but they're I got >> they're just pathways to the beach. The moy mat just adds that dynamic to it but
>> Okay. >> And could I say something about >> Yeah. Yeah. Certainly. I'm gonna circle back everyone. So, >> but I I'll just say real quick and be over with it. By providing these little these mats and these accessways, it will
give people a path to stay on as opposed to trampling in the dunes because it'll be an easier form of egress. So, in in the long-term scheme of things, I think that they'll actually make things maybe a little bit better and keep people off
of areas that they currently wander. Now, so >> you you mean you bring up a good point. The impact of vegetation may improve by having defined areas rathering just random pathways going whichever way.
>> That's all. Thank you, Bob. >> Okay, Mary, I'm going to circle back with you. Obviously, we got to continue this till we get the the the letter from Natural Heritage, and we're going to have to >> Yep. I don't I don't have any further comments other than you know they're
public access ways so that the public is already going to be using all of these access ways. Uh this is just to minimize the impacts of the of the access during the peak season. But I think that you know Mick made a good point about minimizing this vegetation impacts and
and replanting where if there are going to be impacts. the using a, you know, the 3-FFT mat instead of the 5ft mat in some areas might be preferable. So there would if there's some flexibility there
and using the the narrower paths. >> I think the key is going to be preconstruction with the agent. >> Yeah. >> To map this all out and and resolve whatever issues there are. So Evan, I think you got some feedback. I think the
key takeaway is uh the time of year putting these in and using a monitor if if that would work with the natural heritage during nesting season uh and the m the maintaining the
public right away uh after storm damage. >> Okay. Right now they annually they have to add sand to certain areas during certain you know high high erosion periods. Right now we're in a period of accretion
where uh that's not necessary but it should be part of what they're doing on maintaining the rightways. >> Absolutely. We I I agree with that. I'll I'll definitely reach out to Natural Heritage. Um, >> and they should include trash stations
and and doggy way stations and uh I think a water fountain at every right away as well would be preferable. >> Umbrella stands maybe. Yeah. >> Mason, I see you have your hand up. >> Uh, yeah. I have a member of the public
with me here that would like to raise a couple questions and make a couple comments. >> Okay. Yeah, I was just going to get into that. I just wanted to make sure we were through deliberating with the members. Okay. Anyone else? Any other members have any further discussion? >> All set, Bob. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. Are there any raised to answer from the public at this time? >> Uh, yep. >> Okay. Well, Mason, why don't you >> Yep. We'll start here. >> Yep. Uh, Peter Ericson, 48 Northern
Boulevard. Um, explain my presence here. I have a notice to a butters looking at the uh agenda online. I saw that it's on Zoom, but I did not realize that the uh the meeting is only on Zoom. And so when
I arrived, uh Mr. Faric was kind enough to let me look at his screen. Um and I had I just had one question. Um where I'm located is our house is one away from the Mad Martha's beach access.
>> Mhm. And I am a thousand% in favor of these moats to get people to the beach. I've never seen, you know what, we've been there for almost 30 years now. And I I've never seen any damage caused by
them. The sand is always moving. Um, right now the beach is healthier than I've seen it in 30 years. And I I owe a lot of that to the Marramac River Beach Alliance and to the conservation commission. Uh so my question is very
simply on the notice of notice to a butters um it says here that um to install the seasonal mobility and debris removal. Uh my question is what debris is being removed?
I think in the presentation, Eric, it was existing snow fencing that encroaches within the right of way that would interfere with the the placement of these MOI mats. And there was one old abandoned set of stairs it
looked like that was also in the way. Evan, do you want to am I correct on that that comment? >> Sure. Yes. So, so Mr. Chair is correct. It's there were um the town of Newberry
had hired um this third-party consultant to assess any obstructions uh within several of these access rightways. um they put together a letter just of um
areas where they noticed encroachments and most of them were, you know, snow fencing and makeshift stairs and pathways. Um so th that's that's the debris that that would be proposed to be
removed. >> Do I understand you to say that the debris to re to be removed is only debris or fencing that is obstructing the right of way that the moi mats will be occupying. >> Correct. Those access ways and the
parcel um map U02 parcel 20 which is by the third street. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Access. >> Okay. Um just by way of explanation of my concern um I'm going to leave
something here which uh these are uh photographs that you'll you won't be able to see on Zoom but I'll leave them here in the office. This happens to be from the year 2023 when a lot of debris uh came up and
washed at the toe of the dune. And by the end of that summer, that debris had been had captured windblown sand. And amazingly, the same doomed grass is contained in that debris that comes in
from the ocean. And grass began to grow. Uh we've had two summers since then. And so as the grass grows, it accumulates accretion of more sand. And every time the debris comes in within, you know, a
couple of wind storms, the debris is covered and the beach is a couple of inches higher. I can I could show you places where the the beach is 4 feet higher now as a result of Blossom and Jetsum that has come ashore. Um, so I'm
really uh really been following this and I'm I'm really very concerned that we let the beach alone in a way just do its natural state at our end of the island. I think the I think the island is very balanced in terms of the use. There are places towards the center.
>> Peter, we're matter the me the matter before us tonight is the rightways, Peter. So whatever comments you have on that, we we we want to stay focused to what's on the agenda. These other topics are not on the agenda for tonight.
>> Okay. I I I >> Wait, no, I get we we get your we get your message and we get your empirical knowledge. >> Okay. Thank you. I think you've answered my question. >> Okay. Thank Thank you, Peter. Uh who else is was
Okay, if you just give us your name and your address. Hi. Um, my name is Sue Costigan and I own a property at 337th Street and 120 Northern. I don't know if you remember me, but I was
talking to >> You do. You There's a house being built right across from your house, right? >> Yeah. Um, so Evan sort of encouraged me to join tonight mostly to say I even though you're not uh proposing 37th
Street, it is a very busy access. I'm I love the idea of the mats and mostly because of Woody's comment. Um the time that I've been able to spend watching the comingings and goings.
Um it's not so much people that don't don't stick to the path, but their dogs and then the people cleaning up after their dogs. So I love the idea of the paths for access. I've never seen anyone attempt getting to the beach in a
wheelchair, but I have seen people with walkers trying to make it to the beach. Um, so I think this would make it better for them. But I also just wanted to throw out the idea of some signage at the beach accesses like
they have on the northern tip of the island explaining why you might consider staying on the path and not trekking across the dune. So it's a little off topic, I know, but that was all I >> No, no, that's but that's a very very
good point. We we have some signage, I think, at every right ofway regarding uh during nesting season uh and managing dogs. So, I think it's a very good point to bring up, Susan. >> Those signs though are right when you're
getting to the beach instead of when you're getting on the path. >> Right. Um, so I guess >> I I I think your suggestion of adding additional signage is is a good suggestion.
>> And I'm also suggesting you consider 37th Street access for a mat [laughter] >> someday. >> It would Well, I would think it would make sense to incorporate it now uh and have it part of the order of conditions.
Mason, why don't you talk to Mason and Evan, why don't you talk to the town on that? Uh that there's been a request to add 37th Street. >> I will. >> It absolutely makes more sense to me to have everything incorporated in one order of condition. So we we don't have
some orphaned right of way that will need work and then it's not covered and that creates another fiasco. >> Okay, Susan, any anything else? >> No, thanks a lot for listening. Okay. Thank you, Mason. Are there any any
other members of the public with a raised hand? >> Uh, I believe just Dave Clifford has his hand raised. >> David Dave, you have a comment or a question? >> I think this is really great about
having public comment because I think I didn't think of the dogs and I don't have a dog. I love dogs. I want to get a dog soon, but I think her point on the dogs straying off the paths is very very well put and uh is a concern. So, I
think that's a great comment and I I appreciate her comments uh on that point. >> Yeah. And I think additional signage is is know we we've we've come a long way on on Plum Island. For the longest time, we didn't have trash barrels at Center Island. We didn't have a a doggy duty
station at Center Island and some of these other areas and we we've come a long way. So, it I'm I'm happy the town is progressing in this direction. Okay. Are there any other comments from the members of the commission or from
the public? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. So, Evan, there's no action we can take tonight. Uh we we typically are probably going to want to do a site visit uh at at you know prior to voting
this especially for those that don't live on the island. I know Mick wants to walk down each one of these to make sure we the rest of us we've been down them too many times. So are you >> are you calling me a flatlander Bob? Is that what it is?
>> No no no [laughter] I think you're looking for how the duck hunting might be on this. >> Absolutely. Yeah. The more waterfalling access the better. >> So, so Evan, uh, you're requesting a continuence to the March 3rd meeting? >> I am, please.
>> Okay. Okay. All right. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to March 3rd at the applicant's request. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Harry Woody. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes.
>> Woody? >> Yes. >> Nick? Hi >> Harry. >> Yes. >> Frank. >> Yes. >> David and Vlad Connor. Vote yes. Okay. Thank you Evan. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Thank you. >> Hey. Okay. Next matter is a continued
public hearing. Make sure uh it does 45 Boston Road have a D number now. Make sure >> uh they do not. They just got their abutters list um at the end of last week
and should be sending out a butter notifications um and preparing for the March 3rd meeting. >> Okay. So, the applicant has requested for continuence to March 3rd. >> Yep, they have. >> Okay. So, the 45 Boston Road applicant submitting a notice of intent to expand
existing boardwalk systems within the within or within proximity to bordering vegetative wetlands. They're requesting a continuence to the March 3 meeting. So, I will entertain a motion
to continue the public hearing to March 3rd at the applicant's request. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick? >> Harry? >> Yes.
>> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor's vote? Yes. All right. Next matter is D file number 0501455. Old Newbury golf club. Applicant is
submitting an NOI for golf course maintenance work, including T-box relocation tree removal within the buffer zone areas. Mason, what's the status in this? >> Uh, so they're going to be requesting a continuence, but a couple quick updates. Um, they just submitted in some revised
plans yesterday, so those should be in the folder. um they were able to get out into the field to do their wetland delineation and then put that on an updated plan. Um so that's the update for now and I assume that the board will be requesting a sitewalk once we um can
see the ground. Do you have a crystal ball on that Mason? >> I hope it's sooner than later. >> I'd be thrilled just to see my driveway again. Okay. All right. I I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to March 3rd at the
applicant's request. >> So moved. Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Nick? >> Hi. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David?
>> Yes. >> And Bob Connor vote? Yes. All right. Well, you figure, you know what, team, when it comes around March 3rd, uh I mean, they're going to be planting at the uh the dam on March 17th. So, maybe
we'll we'll do our sitewalk just before St. Patrick's Day on this the golf course. Okay. Next matter is a continued public hearing. D file number 0501453, 34 Central Street. applicant is submitting a notice of intent for
construction of an MBTA residential housing development at 34 Central Street. Uh Mason Heidi notified me they've requested a continuence to our March 3rd. So I'll entertain a motion to continue
the public hearing to March 3rd at the applicant's request. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. Nick, >> hi. >> Harry, >> yes. >> Frank,
>> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor is voters. >> All right. Uh, continue public hearing. D file number 0501458 291 High Road. Applicant is submitting a
notice of intent for the maintenance and refreshing of an existing parking area, boat ramp licensed under chapter 91. The applicant is also seeking to exper expand marina operations by installing a
series of seasonal uh bottom anchored floats accessible via a gang way from the parking area. Mason, can you give us an update on this? >> Uh, yep. So, we had done a sitewalk here following the last meeting. Um, I
believe the only outstanding items that we had um was the applicant and their representative were um placing [clears throat] some of the seasonal floats further out in the channel than originally proposed to avoid um hitting
the bottom during um some extreme low tides and things like that. Um so they've updated the plan. I have [snorts] put the updated plan into the folder for review. Um, and as of right now, those are the only updates that we have.
>> Okay. Is I know Tom was is might be at a new report meeting. Is the owner available for questions? >> Yep. I believe he's here. >> Okay. If he could just give us his name, address, and his association, and he
wants to provide any bit of a a quick overview and then answer questions. Hey. Yeah. Can you guys hear me? >> Yes. >> Yeah, we can. Welcome. >> Hey. Yeah. So, um, good evening, um, chair and and board. My name is Joel
Wlette. I'm at 291 High Road in Newberry, and I am the owner of the property. So, happy to answer any questions you have. Um, as Mason stated, we updated the plan showing we're pushing the docks a little bit further out so that we are hopeful to never come
in contact with the bottom at even the the mean lowest low water. And um, we also I'll note that we drew in the vegetated intertital area that Mary had asked for uh, during the sitewalk. >> Oh,
>> okay. I'm sorry. What was your name again? >> Joel. >> Joel. Okay, Joel. Thank you, Mary. Questions? >> Um, and I think that the sitewalk was really helpful to me. It answered a lot of the questions that I had. Um, I have
some notes on special conditions, but I don't have it. I don't have anything further. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. Woody, any any questions for Joel on that? >> I felt the sidewalk was helpful as well, and I don't have any questions at this time. Thank you, Bob. >> Yep. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any
questions on this project? >> Uh, no, Bob. Thank you. Uh, no questions. >> Okay. Thank you, Mick. Harry, any questions? >> Uh, not at this time, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any any questions for Joel on this? >> No, I agree. The site inspection was
good. I think it answered a lot of questions. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Frank. David, any any questions for Joel on this matter? Um, the only question I have is maybe a misunderstanding is it says that they're the applicant seeking to expand the
marina operations, but I think you're just going to push out the docks a little bit to eliminate or minimize uh the docks hitting the bottom. Is that is that correct, uh, Joel? >> So, so we're pushing the docks out on our proposed full plan. Um we have an
existing chapter 91 license um which we reviewed at the last couple meetings that that is going to stay intact um as it operates today. This is this is moving out the the new proposed float plan and it's really just the connecting piece between the two sets of fingers.
Um, you know, I can't I don't know how to screen share to get this up in front of me, but really what we're doing, there's a shaw there that [clears throat] actually, you know, touches some of our existing chapter 91 docks. And what we've done is move the walkway out 19 ft. That gets it beyond
that shaw ling. So that way the connection of our two fingers >> should never come in contact with the bottom even on extreme tides. >> Right. Okay. I got that. I I think we're I think we're I think that's good. That's how I understood it as well from the uh
>> from the sitewalk. So that that's fine. >> Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Anything else, David? >> No. No. No. Bob. >> Okay. I do not have any questions at this time. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time?
>> Seeing none. >> Okay. Hey, do any members have a request for additional information, plan amendment, or any additional com content for this notice of intent? >> No.
>> Okay. Uh I will entertain a motion. >> So, Mary, we're going to we're going to >> close the public hearing first, >> right? And then we'll talk we'll talk about conditions. Okay. >> I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing. >> So, move. Do we have a second?
>> Okay. Harry. Woody. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Mick. >> Hi. >> Harry. >> Yes. >> Frank. >> Yes. >> David.
>> And Bob Connors. Okay. Uh, this is the time when we talk about special special conditions. Mary, what were you what were you thinking for special conditions? Um, I had to just jot down a couple of quick notes. So, comply with all the division marine fisheries
comments. Um, maybe just you can attach them to the order of conditions, Mason. Um, storage of the floats in an upland location. Um, pre-construction meeting with the agent. Um, and then they have a they have a
storm water feature that they're proposing. So, um, I don't know if it There's don't think there was an operation and maintenance plan for that. Um, but I'm trying to decide what the best way
to handle that is so it actually functions long term. U, but maybe just having having condition that the agent inspects it after installation >> and that it be cleaned out on a regular
basis. And then the last is um that it's subject to annual 10A harbormaster permit. >> Okay. So Mason, can you pull up the storm water feature? Is this just a a a catch basin or in
>> like a stone swale along see green stone swale that's along the perimeter of the bulk? >> Oh, okay. That's that's all it is. >> That's all it is. It's like a >> Oh, you're proposing that just be free of debris or vegetation or what? What is the >> If it's if it's proposed as a stormwater
management feature, [clears throat] then it should just be Yes. accumulated sediment that you know, so that it it if if functionally gets covered with sand, then it's no longer going to be working as a storm water feature. So, it just would need to be >> refreshed out as needed.
>> Okay. So Mason something you know maintenance of the storm storm water feature now it I guess is that refreshing with adding new you know new stone Mary
I mean what what do you what are you visualizing there just being that >> if a foot of sediment comes in are you going to try to remove that or you going to >> yeah if they may have to remove the stone then take out the sediment and put back in.
>> Um, depending on how it's constructed, it looks like it has some kind of a diaphragm around it. >> It does. Yep. Yep, it does. >> Yep. >> So, that >> So, Joel is easy to capture. >> What has your What has [clears throat] your maintenance plan been in the past,
Joel? And can we memorialize it? Uh, >> so currently the the property has really no storm water management plan. Um, we [clears throat] have larger stones on the bottom, smaller stones proposed on top with the diaphragm around. So the idea is that the sediment gets caught in the top and then the m maintenance plan
would be to potentially just have to re you know resurface the top 6 in 8 in whatever we see for sediment you know at the time of of a maintenance. Um that's basically how that's designed to work. >> Okay. Is there a notation on the plan to
that affect >> it? It shows that section but the diaphragm and the different stones. I'm not sure if we had proposed the maintenance plan on the plan. >> Okay. I mean, Mary, I I think if we could condition this and that it be added to
the plan. Uh >> yeah. Or a written, you know, >> that to the file. Yeah. >> Yeah. Be provided if it hasn't already been included. >> Okay. >> Millennium can provide that. >> Sure. >> Okay. Mason, any any special conditions
that you're thinking? I'm going to go around to everybody. Certainly. Anything you're thinking of, Mason, that you'd like to see added? >> Uh, I don't think so. Did we want to put a date on the uh >> installer removal of the floats?
What What What is the norm? Is it They're out by November 1st, put in by April 1st. What is the normal? >> Yeah. I mean, you're asking me, Bob? >> Well, yeah. I'm kind of asking everybody. I'm not voter. So
>> I don't know when they go in and out at currently on the other side of the bridge. I don't know if there's a particular date. >> I think we had done October 1st maybe for the the um private dock that we had permitted earlier in the year.
>> Joel, what are you doing now? What what what is your you know your operational now? When do you pull them out? When do you put them in? Yeah. So, our current contracted season right now runs May 15th to October 15th. Um, we typically get them
in midappril and we try and get them out pretty quickly after the October 15th um, you know, end of end of our our clients contracts. I will say that weather in April or installing docks, you know, can be dicey at best. So,
sometimes they can go in early in April. Um, if we get good good weather at the beginning of the month, we want to get them in right away. Um, sometimes it lags towards the end of April. So, definitely in no earlier than April 1st. Um, and then as far as getting them out, you know, our contract goes till October
15th. So, I would say they're out by November 15th, you know, at the latest. They're typically out before the end of October, but again, if we ran into some weather events that wouldn't allow us to, you know, successfully pull them out safely, then we would have to wait until that
that weather passes to do so. >> Okay. >> All right. So, April 1st, install removal by November 15th is kind of your your plan. I mean, is that is that going to be regulated by their chapter 91
permit or the local harbor master? >> They have an existing chapter 91 permit for the bulkhead. >> Okay. And then the docks themselves are because they're all seasonal. They're
not a permanent structure. They can be they can be subject to annual harbor master section 10A permits. >> Okay. So, April 1 to November 15th seem reasonable for install removal.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So, well, why don't we put that in there, Mason? I think that will I think a very good point. Uh any anything else? Uh Woody, any any other any other special conditions you're thinking of?
>> No, I think we've covered everything. Mary came up with some good ones and the only one I was thinking of was when they go in and out. So, >> okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any anything you want to add to the discussion? >> No. Uh nothing additional. Sounds pretty comprehensive. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Harry. Any any comments or anything you want to add? >> Uh no comments. Thank you, Harry. Frank, how about yourself? Anything you want to add to the discussion? >> No. Thank you, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Frank. David, any anything you want to add to the
discussion on special conditions? >> No, sir. >> Okay. I have no further comments. So, Mason, you you're able to quantify what we're looking for for special conditions? >> Yep, I got them. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue
an order of conditions for 291 High Road uh with the usual conditions and the special conditions uh identified. >> Bob, I just have one can I can I just have one one comment before we wrap up here?
>> Yeah, you can. It's a little late in the game though. What you >> I just wanted to I I was just waiting for you to get through all the board members. Um one thing just to just to fall back on Mary's comment about um following the recommendation of the division marine fisheries um we discussed this in the sitewalk that they
had proposed um any floats that come within a foot of the bottom or less I believe it was required a 28 in um a 28 28 in foot on the bottom and and we had talked a lot about the impact on the bottom on every single tide cycle if we
have 28 in feet on our dock So, we were just asking that if we could lean on the findings of the Army Corps um during their plan and review as far as when it would be required that we actually install the feet on the bottom of the docks.
>> Well, we were going to attach the DMF's letter to the order as I recall and then the Army Corps follows follows our approval. Is that how this works, Mary? Yes, they we need they need the order of conditions to get the Army Corps
approval. If the Army Corps appro approves something different, then they can come back with an amendment. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I mean, I think Joel, you kind of there's always a chance for, you know, a
minor modification on that or an amendment if if something comes back. >> Sure. And I I appreciate you being patient with me. Um >> Oh, no, no, no, no. Listen, it it it it's it's a complex project. >> Sure. Um that sounds good to me. Thank you.
>> All right. So, let me repeat. I will entertain a motion to issue an order of condition for 291 High Road subject to our usual conditions and the special conditions that were just identified. >> So, moved. Second.
>> Okay. Uh roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? Yes, >> Nick. >> Hi, >> Harry. >> Yes, >> Frank. >> Yes, >> David. >> Yes, >> and Bob Connor's votes. Yes. Okay. Thank
you, Joel. >> Thank you, guys. Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Mason, can I just ask for you to circulate that order once it's drafted so we can take a look at that final language? >> Yep. >> Thanks. >> Okay. Uh, general project discussion.
So, we had the lock and dam volunteer planting on St. Patrick's Day. Everybody must wear green and drink Guinness. >> So, I just want to I I had sent out an email, but I want it to be reflected in the minutes of our meeting. Want to
congratulate Mason. Mason secured a $100,000 and I'm told it's a $200,000 grant um for municipal vulnerability preparedness program. Why don't you give us a quick update? Great great job on that, Mason.
>> Yeah. >> And and I know that the town fathers are happy when money comes into the town and just doesn't bleed out all over the place. >> Yeah, seems like a quick overview on that. >> Yeah, some good news definitely. Uh so it's kind of the second step in a
process that the town has already started. Um in 2018 the town had worked with the consulting group to identify um some of the town's biggest vulnerabilities in terms of climate change, sea level rise, all kind of the common themes that we're discussing when
we look at things like Pine Island Road, uh Plum Island Turnpike, emergency access to these places and things like that. Um so yeah, the town of Newbury was um up as a priority town to um be eligible for um this award and so we
applied and and we're granted $200,000. Um so what'll happen next is is a kickoff meeting at the end of next month that I'll be attending. Um but yeah, in summary, it's um you know, we're going to be getting $100,000 to complete the planning 2.0 process. Um 50,000 will be
distributed upon contract execution um for working with a project partner. Um and the final step, step seven of this um is going to be a $50,000 seed project where we're actually putting the money um you know towards starting to solve some of these problems and and create
some better solutions. >> Okay. Well, well done, Mason. Thank you very much. >> Very good. >> All right. Let me go around let me go around to the members. See if we have any comments or issues. Mary, any any closing comments before I ask you to
>> Good job as usual, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Mary. Woody, any any comments or update you want to provide? >> Just uh No, just thank you everyone and stay warm. >> Okay. Yeah. Is everybody else shoveled out?
>> Yeah. See you later. >> Frank, any any questions or comments you want to you want to discuss? >> No. All set. Thank you. >> Hey, Mick. Nick, how about you? >> Uh, no, I was just going to say to Mason, if you uh are short on volunteers for planting, uh, let me know. I work
for a company full of energetic young environmental scientists and geologists who would love to come out and, uh, put shrubs in the ground. So, >> wonderful. Yeah, >> let me know if you need some help. I can, if not my team, I can gather up a bunch, you know, probably get a handful
of people to help out. >> Yeah, we'll do that. That'd be great. >> Is going to volunteer his wife to help out. That's what >> [laughter] >> Not voluntary me. >> Thanks, Nick. Harry, [snorts] any >> No. >> Any comments that you want to bring up? >> Nope.
>> David, how about yourself? >> Just continued kudos for the good work on getting that uh that those funds, Mason. And uh I also volunteer mix people to help with the [laughter] >> me included right there. >> Like you'll find them good like that.
>> I'll come on. I'll I can run a shovel mason. I'll come >> look at Mick. Everyone needs a safety engineer on site now. Poison ivy. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I have no comments. I will entertain a motion to adjourn. >> So moved.
>> All right. All All in favor? Mary, Woody, Frank, Nick, Harry, I I. >> Thanks everyone. Have a great night. >> Great night everyone. 7:53 we