Uh, good evening. Uh, I forgot my name. This is not a good way to start the meeting. Okay. Good evening. My name is Bob Connors. It is 6 p.m. I'd like to call the June 3rd meeting, the Newbury Conservation Commission to order. Mason, please read
the remote open meeting law preamble and take a roll call. the members present. As a preliminary matter, this is Mason Freerk, conservation agent of the Newbury Conservation Commission, and I call the June 3rd meeting to order and permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in
the affirmative. Mary Rimmer, yes. TJ Ki, yes. Mick Brown, Diane O'Brien, yes. Woody Knight, Frank Wetenamp, yes. And Bob Connors, yes. Good evening. This open meeting of the
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three minutes for any comments. Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote. Okay. Thank you, Mason. Uh upcoming meeting dates, June 17th and July 1st meeting minutes uh review. We have the May 6th and the
May 20th meeting minutes in the Dropbox. Why don't we take a minute to review those? Those have been revised. Mary, I'm not sure if your comments uh got over to Mason or not. I I kind of took a look at it and and made a couple of
edits, but Okay. Yeah, I may not have. I'm sorry. Yeah. No, no, but I just wanted to say that they've kicked around a different version, so Okay. Okay. Any questions or concerns? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion
to approve the meeting meeting minutes for the May 6th, 2025 meeting. So move. So moved. Second. Okay, TJ. Okay. Roll call. All in favor?
Mary? Yes. TJ? Hi. Diane, yes. Frank, yes. And Bob Connors. Mason, just let me know when Woody when Woody jumps on so I I don't overlook him. Yep. Okay. Uh, next matter is the June May 20th meeting
minutes. Why don't we take a look at those any comments, concerns, or corrections? Any any any concerns, Mary? No. Okay. Uh I will entertain a motion to approve the meeting minutes for May 20th, 2025.
So moved. Second. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Thank you, Mary. Okay. Roll call. Uh, all in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ, I will stand. I was not here.
Okay. Uh, Diane, yes. Frank, yes. And Bob Connor votes yes. All right. Next order of business. Mary, we kind of shuffled the the agenda around tonight because we wanted to take full advantage of your limited time tonight,
right? But almost everything's been continued. So, it uh that was the reason we took things out of order. So, thanks. I'm going to switch over. Okay. All right. Uh continued public hearings. D file number
05014472 Plum Island Boulevard. Uh the applicant is submitting a notice of intent to demolish an existing structure on the property and construct four residential town houses within two pile supported buildings. This project is located on Barrier Beach and within 100
ft of the Salt Marsh buffalo. Mason, uh will you bring us up to date on this? I'm pretty sure there was a request for a continuence. Yep. So, uh, attorney Roloff had reached out today and based on the feedback that they've received from, um, the ZBA and others. Um, the project team's in the process of
redesigning, improving, making changes. Um, they're also going to be working with a professional wetland scientist. So, at this time, they'd ask to continue um, and that the board not move forward with any third party third party consulting at this point. Okay. Do they want to continue to the June 17th meeting? Yep.
Okay. All right. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the applicant's request to our June 17th uh meeting. Second. Okay. So, TJ and Diane. Okay. Roll call. All in favor?
Mary? Yes. TJ. Hi. Diane. Yes. Frank. Yes. And Bob Connors. Okay. We're operating at light speed here. Okay. Next matter is a continued public
hearing on D file number [Music] 0501450 65 Handover Street. Applicant is submitting an ANRAD to confirm resource areas on this property. Mason, can you provide an overview where we stand on
this one? Yep. Uh so at the last meeting, the board approved third party review by Northwoods Environmental and Heidi Gaffne. Um, as of right now, they are still in the works of scheduling the delineation confirmation, and I believe they are aiming for Friday the 6 at
11:00 a.m. Okay. Joyce Muteras, the hearing on the Plum Island Grill has been continued to the June 17th meeting, just so you know. I'm
assuming that's why you're on the call. Okay. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing uh at the applicant's request to our June 17th meeting. So moved. Second.
Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Yes. Diane? Yes. Frank? Yes. And Bob Carter spoke? Yes. Okay. Next order of business is an amendment
request. D file number 0501435 Sunset Club applicant is submitting an amendment to the current order of conditions that includes installation of a 40x40 open pavilion structure. The submission addresses the
impact impacts of new resource areas and any changes to storm water management. Mason, what's the update on this one? Uh yeah, so Joe Surwaka had just sent over um his review letter this afternoon. So, I believe that's in the dropbox now, but
that was just submitted maybe an hour or two hours ago. Um, in addition, I had been in touch with Vince Goden and Steve Sawyer. Um, I believe that they um are making some amendments to the plan and changes um to address comment number
three on Joe's review letter. Um, so they have requested to continue until the 17th to adjust plans accordingly. Okay. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the applicant's request to our June 17th meeting. So moved. So moved. Second.
Okay. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Yes. Diane? Yes. Frank? Yes. Bob Connors votes? Yes. Okay. Great. Okay. Next order of business is a
certificate of compliance D file number 0501427 1 Main Street. Applicants requesting a full certificate of compliance for the project at one Main Street. A partial C a partial certificate of compliance was issued in
the fall and the final COC was pending stabilization of the yard. Mason, could you give us an update and a recommendation on this one? Yeah. So, if you guys remember, uh, we had issued a partial certificate of compliance. I believe it was late winter, maybe it was
early spring. Um, since then, I had gone out to the site probably a month ago at this point to meet with the new homeowner that's there. Um, he was going to request a certificate compliance at that point, but I wasn't confident that, uh, the yard had been stabilized to the commission satisfaction. Um, since then,
Phil Franciosa, the developer, has reached out saying that it's all set. Um, and I was able to drive by there earlier this week and it's fully vegetated. Okay. So, you recommend? Yep. I would recommend that we issue a full certificate of compliance. Okay. Uh, questions from the members. Mary, any
questions on this one? Uh, yes. Wasn't there some concern that there had been some disturbance at the wetland for this? Was this the site? Uh, no, not on this one. You you may be thinking of the 62 middle, the open enforcement order that we have. Okay.
Um but yeah, okay, this um this the site's clean. They actually still have erosion controls down. Um so, okay. Thank you. Yep. Thank Okay. Thank you, Mary. TJ, any any questions on this one? No, none from me. Okay. Thank you, TJ.
Diane, any question? No. Thank you. All right. Frank, any questions on this one? No. Thanks, Bob. And I have no questions. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none. Okay. Do any members have a
request for a site visit or additional information at this time? Nope. Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for one Main Street. Second.
I'm just going to write you guys in alternately. Whoever made the motion or second that we need to talk before the meeting. We need a photo finish if this was a horse race. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Yes. Diane?
Yes. Frank? Yes. And Bob Connor's folks? Yes. Okay. Uh, next matter is a certificate of compliance D file number 0501334 6 Bluehill Avenue. Applicant is requesting to close out an order of conditions of the replacement of of
decks, the outside shower, and underground utilities. The applicant is now seeking a full certificate of compliance as the beach grass has fully grown in. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this one? Yep. Uh, so I met out on site with
the homeowner, Ned. Um, it sounded like he was working um with Shan Sha Young at the end of last year. Um, hopefully trying to close things out. Um, but I think he was waiting on the the grass plugs to come in. Um, I can share my screen with some photos that I took on
the site visit um to see what the existing conditions are. Um, all the deck work was done. There's no ongoing work on the property. Um, the only thing that changed, um, there was 500 square feet of mitigation planting required on the back side of the house, um, and the
homeowner ended up putting in a thousand square feet of, um, American beach grass plugs. Um, so you'll see those in the pictures. Those are coming in really well. Um, yeah. Okay. Questions from the members. Mary,
any questions on this one? U, when were they planted? Mason. Um, these were planted at the end of last season, I believe. So, they haven't been through a full growing season yet. Okay, thank you. I I I want
to say he had originally put 500 in and those had a full growing season and then the additional 500 is what was planted at the end of last season. Okay, great. Thank you. Um, and then this small fencing um is just temporary. Um, he said he was having a real hard time with
the rabbits pulling up the plugs. That's just for temporary. Okay. Thank you, Mary TJ. Any questions on this uh No, no questions. Okay, Diane, any any questions on this one?
No, love. Thank you. Frank, any any questions on this matter? No, I'm all set. Okay, I do not have any questions. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none. Okay. Do any members have a
request for a site visit or additional information? Nope. Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 6th Blue Hill Avenue. So move. Second. Okay. TJ
and Diane. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Yes. Diane? Yes. Right. Yes. And Bob Connor's vote. Yes.
Right. Okay. We have another certificate of compliance. D file number 0501094 11 Blue Hill A. applicant is requesting a full certificate of compliance for a project that was permitted to remove an existing rip wrap
bulkhead with a new SHA system upland of the existing structure removal of a rip wrap in the tidal flat area was also permitted. Mason, can you provide an overview on this and probably some pictures just this predates some of us
so Yep. Yeah, I have some photos to share here. Um the bulkhead was removed and it seemed like the title flat um was pretty cleaned up from when I visited. So the SHA system of those uh stackable masonary
blocks. Okay. Yeah. Was there was there an asbuilt with this one, Mason? Uh required or submitted? Either. Um let me check. Not seeing any. I don't see any post construction special conditions. Okay.
And I'm sorry to go out of order, Bob. Yeah. No, no, no. Mayor, go ahead. Sorry. Uh, just when was the order issued? Uh July 10th, 2012. 2012. So it is really old. Okay. Yep. Um I'm just looking at the um aerials
just to see what was there. Um because it's kind of hard to know what you're You know what's happening to Mary is title examiners weren't all that focused on certificates of compliance and orders and conditions. Now they're laser focused on Yeah, I do
see the 2012 aerial showing the rip wrap. Um, and it looks like the structure was put in sometime around 2019 or 20 wait 20 maybe 2015.
Yep. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Mary TJ. Any questions on this one? Nope. No questions. Okay, Diane, any questions on this one? No, Bob. Thank you. I gotta be honest with you. I I had Blue Hill Avenue not near the water or the basin. I'm assuming that's the
basin, but Yep. I've only been out here 40 years. I probably should know where all the roads are. Frank, any any questions or comments on this one? No. Awesome. Okay. And Bob Connors, I have no questions. Mason, any raised
hands from the public at this time? [Music] Um, seeing none. Okay. Do any members have requests for a site visit or additional information? No. Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of
compliance for 11 Blue Hill Avenue. Moved. Second. Okay. Roll call vote. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Yes. Diane, yes. Frank, yes. And Bob Connor's
votes. Yes. Hey. All right. Uh where um it is now 6:21 p.m. And uh where the pile has gone down. Mason, do you have a question? Yeah, I think I believe I see the new homeowner here, Frank. So, just to let you know, Frank, the commission just approved the certificate of
compliance. So, I'll have that issued and and sent that out to you. Thank you very much. a a nick of time. Have a good night, Frank. Thank you. Okay, we're off to uh the outstanding enforcement orders. Uh 30 Riverview
Drive. Mason, any update on this? I know they were waiting on shrubs the last time. Yeah, I still haven't um gotten a list of plants that they're putting in. Um the it sounds like the homeowner may be doing trying to source the plants themselves to try and save some money.
Um but no updates beyond that. Okay. Can we reach out to them? Uh so I I reached out to D. Roza um their representative and they had told me that um the homeowners were going to try and source
it elsewhere. But as of right now, that's kind of all the updates they have. But um I I'll follow up and and check in. Because I think that at some point our decision had some kind of clock on it, didn't it? Have some kind of uh just for filing. I
don't know for the planning season. Yeah. Yeah. I I think it was to come in with an RDA to square this away. What wasn't that what we did, Mason? Is that I can review. We We may have done like a a June 1 check-in or something
like that. Um, so I can reach out to the applicant and see where they're at. Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, the enforcement order doesn't go away until it's resolved. So, okay. Uh, next matter is enforcement
order five Southern Boulevard unpermitted work. You skipped one. Which one? Middle. 62 Middle Road. Yeah. Where is that? Okay. 62 Middle Road. Where are we at on
that one? Um so 62 Middle Road um when we were originally going to do the final inspection for a certificate of compliance, we noticed some additional violations um where there was tree removal and debris kind of pushed into the wetland areas. Um since then the
debris and the trees have all been hand removed. They're out of that area now. um and it has come back and reveated itself. Um they have installed a chain link fence in the buffer zone. Um but outside of that, there's no new
violations and I would say that you know the previous violation has been cleaned up. Um they do still have an open order of conditions um that they were looking to close out but is not ready. Uh the backyard is not fully stabilized yet. So
um that's where they would be at. Hey, so what's your what's your recommendation on the enforcement order? Are you comfortable having that be closed out and then just rely on the COC or will it issue another enforcement order if there's some other violation in
the meantime? Yeah, I think closing out the open enforcement order um is good because I can share a photo here um just to give the rest of the board a little bit of perspective. this area back here um was the area where the violation
occurred on this side of the fence. Um so everything was pulled out and cleaned out of there and you can see that it's naturally vegetating now. Um that being said, I do think it would be good obviously to have them, you know, have the yard fully stabilized before a
certificate of compliance. Um and if need be, we could always um you know, issue another enforcement order if if ongoing violations are happening. Okay, let me let me hold you there, Mason. I have questions. Mary, questions on this one. What are your thoughts on that? Um, just a couple things. So, I think I
thought that the backyard was going to be seated and stabilized. Looks like there's still a lot of bare ground there. Yeah. So, I had talked with the homeowner. He had put a little bit of sod down here. Um, and I think his plan is to seed, but he just I guess he
hasn't got haven't gotten to that yet. Yeah. Okay. And then the chain link fence, you know, should have come to us before it got put up. Typically, we would like to see um fencing that allows wildlife passage. Um but it looks like
they probably have a dog and that's what this was for, right? Given the kettle right there. So, um in this case, I think it's going to keep activities away from the wetland. So, where there's been a problem. So, maybe this is not a bad
thing, right? Mary, thank you. Mary PJ, any any questions on this one? No, no, no questions other than, you know, the the adding of the chainling fence without coming to us is a a little bit alarming. Although I do agree with
you, Mary, it's going to be a benefit, but not sure they understand they need to come to the board before they do things rather than after. That's it. Good point. Diane, what are your thoughts on this one? Yeah, I remember this one from a
while. The site visit a long time ago, and that was the problem to begin with, right? They pushed everything into the wetland without they kind of cleared the backyard and pushed everything out. So, they should have known, but whatever. Well, it may protect the wetlands, haven't they? But, it
may point extent. Okay. Anything else, Diane? No. Okay. Thank you, Frank. Any questions on this one? No. Okay. and I I've been out there when we did the original site visit and then when we
talked about the uh the enforcement order. So Mason, I I'll go along with your recommendation. Uh are there any raised hands from the public? Although it's an enforcement order, but Okay. Is the public out there? Are we
just are we are they just waiting for to join us when we're almost done? Uh, actually, while we have a second, Bob, I saw that Ned Perillo joined. Ned, we um we the board voted to issue a full certificate of compliance. So, you are all set.
Okay. All right. I will entertain a motion to close the enforcement order for 62 Middle Road. Why? I I'm not clear. Why are we removing their enforcement motor if they're not completed? Well, they have a
certificate of compliance that hasn't been issued. Oh, we're relying on that, right? Yeah. That that's where the planting is required. We It was removal of debris and the spillage into the the buffer was that. So, thanks. Okay. So, let me repeat that. I will entertain a
motion to close the enforcement order for 62 Middle Road. Second. Okay. All right. Any other questions before we do a roll call? Hearing none. Roll call. All in
favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Yes. Diane? Yes. Brian? Yes. And Bob Connor's votes? Yes. Okay. Well, let's This thing has been on our agenda for better part of what, eight months
now. All right. So now my page is stuck together. That's how uh I skipped that. Okay. Uh enforcement order five Southern Boulevard unpermitted work. Uh Mason, why don't you give us an
overview? And I see there's an RDA submitted. Yep. Yeah. So we had briefly discussed this at the last meeting. Um and then you know required the applicant to come in for an RDA. Um and that will be next on our agenda. Um, so that would be the only update I have right now.
Okay. Any questions on this one, team that we can address during the IDA section? Okay. Why don't we just continue on? All right. Very next matter. Uh, a request for determination of applicability by Southern Boulevard.
Applicant is submitting an RDA to get permitted work to get unpermitted work approved on Plum Island. The applicant proposes to replace the stone and masonary retaining wall in kind. Mason, do you want to give us a a quick overview? I did have a chance to
talk to uh the owner the other day as well. Yep. And I believe the owner is here as well, but I'll just uh give a brief summary. Um so the unpermitted work that was happening were on these two um walls right here. Um I believe he wanted to do incine replacement. um and
then also change the angle of this side of the wall. Um since then, I think there's been additional discussion um on what is going to be proposed. So from there, I would leave it to um the applicant if you'd like to present. Okay. When I when I talked to Mr.
Bennett the other day, the the radius on the wall in let's say the um 30 ft of wall that goes from probably 18 in down to 12 in. Mr. Bennett is not going to reinstall. He just wants to do
uh the two straight walls. And to keep it straight, he's just going to go straight. Um, I think he's planning on moving beginning of it over a foot or two and then just going straight. So, we're
eliminating probably 30% of the masonary structures and I think he's going to use some other stabilization there. But, so John Bennett, if you're on the call, does any Let me do this. We have questions for Mr. Bennett. Is there a plan of this change?
No, I just think where it's in Kary that it's okay. I didn't understand the straight part like is it is it going into to the stairs anymore or it basically he's eliminating that first 30 ft and he's
going to run it out straight and then he's going to stabilize uh on the uh but where's the straight part you're talking about is can can you show that um Mason with your arrows right here Bob? Yeah. I I mean, he's
basically going to rather than doing the radius, he's he's just going to keep it straight and he proposes to eliminate about 25% of the structure. Um Oh, there's a So, there's a wobble in
the wall there. Is that what you're saying? Or it's going straight to the to the back? Yeah. It's no longer going to be a zen area. It's going to be just a 90° uh Okay. per, you know, perpendicular to the stairs and then parallel and then
Okay. Yep. But so that the net gain is he's eliminating some solid structures and then his plan is to refresh the driveway. Not changing the grades, but just refreshing the driveway with with what material? I
think he was proposing uh crushed stone at least that's what was on site. So that's what I saw. And that is that material like compatible. I don't know. Oh yeah. Yeah. All different kinds of crush stone. So
yeah, it it's what we normally see. It's probably that 38 3/4. Okay. Kind of a a road mix or a driveway mix. Okay. TJ, any questions on this one?
No, no questions yet. Okay, Diane, any questions on this one? No, I don't get what's happening across the front. You see like right when you look at that picture and there's like it looks like it was a railroad tie maybe or something on the left near the chain fence. Yeah. So, that whatever the
uh from the chain link fence out to the intersection there where it looks like it's a radius, that's being eliminated. He's still going to go straight across. So, it's going to be 90° angles instead. Correct. So, he's eliminating about I
guess you call it a third of the wall. Uh, and he's straightening I mean for the, you know, for the obvious too, it's he's straightening it for the to uh for the installation, which I guess we always try to get things
straight and plum when we're doing stuff. So I I so I guess the only question is is the mitigation of removing that wall uh and then straightening the other piece but using the sand to level off
where he's pulling out the wall. I mean the grades aren't the real big grades are at the top. You can see the the furthest from the the street. That's probably a 24 inch high wall there. Is there a change to that wall? Is that being redone? That that's being
replaced, but it's being replaced in kind in that location. And is that I can't tell. Is that timbers or what is that? No, it's all masonary. I actually thought it was old creasso timbers, but it was actually masonary block and and kind of I don't know, cobblestones with
square stone or something like that. Actually, I think Mary, you had a good picture of the the wall. Did was that you or was it Mason that had I don't I don't think it was me. Okay, Mason, did did Mr. Bennett send
you a picture of what was there? Let me uh I may have it on my phone. One minute. I thought it was pretty. It was someone someone had provided a picture that was representative of what's existing.
Isn't that photo that we just saw existing? Yeah, but it was actually one that had was Claire, I thought. But okay, maybe um maybe Does it really matter? Uh no, no, but I mean I think we know what the
gist of this is. He wants to square off that side where the stairs come down, right? And then eliminate the part in the front of it, right? Yep. as you face the house. Correct. Yeah. Which which seems fine to
me. I uh I don't think I have the photos. I think Mr. Bennett had showed those to me in person when he came into the office. You know what? Maybe it's maybe it's the photo you had that I'm I'm thinking of, but Okay, I can. Okay. Does anyone I don't have any question. Does anyone else have any questions at
this time? I just don't like to see um it's a matter of practice you know RDAs filed without any kind of a plan that makes it really difficult to have any measurements or understand when Mason needs to look at these sites um to
determine whether they were built correctly if you know without any dimensions or anything like that there. So it's I know this is fairly simple and straightforward but if you know is this this photo is the
only thing we have for the record and there's no written description of what's being done as far as I can tell. So no I mean you bring up a good point Mary you a suggestion Mason why don't you meet the the owner out on the site and
why don't we see if Mr. Then it can install some uh wood stakes, beam poles, whatever you want to call them uh where it's going in and take some measurements and add to it. It there's really no other place. You're certainly not going to make it any
bigger to the right of the back wall because it wouldn't be holding up anything. And pretty defined the mason the uh cobbles on the front kind of on that little corner are still in place.
So I think that would be the starting point of the wall back to the existing wall which you can still kind of see that literally it just moved the pulled the blocks out of there and the share wall or what sand is still there. So
but okay. Yeah. I'm not even sure that it's you know staking. I just you just want to for the record that shows what it is we're approving. So Okay. Yeah. So, why don't we do this? Why don't you just get some measurements, Mason? You can field measure from point A to point
B. Yep. And add a little little SK to the file on it. And it's so there's there's a lineal in both directions. Uhhuh. All right. Okay. Does anyone else have a
question before see if anyone from the public has questions? Okay. Any raised hands from the public at this time? Mason, seeing none. One more question for you, Bob. Yeah. Yeah, certainly. Um, is this do they
need a footing or anything for this retaining wall? Is it at grade or they typically just have a it sets on stone? Crushed stone just So, you're going to bed it in stone. That's usually the it's for the drainage and then it's it's usually the prescribed method to install
that type of uh Okay. Okay. All right. Any other questions, T before you entertain a motion? It's going to be the same height in front or is it going to be higher? Uh it's my my my understanding when I was talking to Mr. Bennett was it was going
to be exactly the same height. And I guess probably they they've got grandchildren and they don't want to have anything. They have actually more grandb babies than Frank has had recently. Okay. Anything else, team?
No. Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for five Southern Boulevard with the following condition that uh an SK be generated, verified by the agent, and added to the
file. We have a motion. Moved, Diane. Second. Second, DJ. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary, I'm gonna abstain from this one. I'm not
I don't understand why we're doing it this way. And the applicant isn't here. We don't have a plan. We don't have No, I think the applicant's on the phone. Oh, okay. Great. Do you want to ask him a question or Well, we had questions about the design, but Okay. Well, Mr.
Bennett, you're on you're on mute right now. Um, is it here? Yeah, it says John's iPhone. I'm assuming that's Oh, okay. John Bennett. I didn't know. John, you're still on you're still on mute, John. Hello. Oh,
there he is. Okay. John, did you did you hear my description of what you had mentioned to me the other day? Yes. Uh, I can I can add just one or two things. The wall that's at the top of the
driveway going uh in front of the house is approximately 25 ft long and it's a little around 2 ft high. And the wall on the left of the driveway that I'm taking the little arch
out of is 40 45 ft long and it might be 32 in at its highest in in the whole thing. That's probably back by the stairway. It's from the stairway towards Southern Boulevard.
But the your height would the highest point would be back towards the stairs. John. Yes. Okay. And you are Did I Was I correct that the wall in front of the house closest to the street is being removed?
Not not being replaced. No. Okay. Yes. So, you don't need anything to hold the sand there. Is that a parking spot in front of the telephone pole there? Yes, it's a it's there's like four parking spaces there. I see.
That have that have all been there forever. Yep. So, you'll just put the stone over that whole area and that will I want to stabilize the driveway because it keeps washing out and goes down Southern Boulevard somewhere. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Okay. Any other questions on this one? Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for five Southern Boulevard with the previous uh notation of just documenting the size and length
of the wall. And Diane, you had seconded. You made the motion. TJ, you had seconded it. Uh so roll call. All in favor? Mary, you still going to abstain or what do you want to do? Uh I just don't like not having a plan, so I'm Yeah, I'm going to
abstain. Okay. Uh TJ, yes. Diane, yes. Frank, no questions. Okay. No, but it's a yes. We're we're
voting on I approve. Yeah. All right. And I'll uh I'll vote yes as well. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bennett. Thank you. Okay. We have another one. A request for determination of applicability. 10 Old Point Road artistic landscapes. Applicant is proposing a favor patio to
be installed and replace the existing concrete patio area. The applicant also proposes a stone sitting wall, planting beds, and landscape lighting systems. Mason, can you give us an overview on this one? Yep. Uh so existing in the
backyard is some asphalt. Um it's proposed to be removing that with a PA patio. Um, and like it was said in the submission, uh, sitting wall planting beds and landscape lighting as well. Um, I can pull up
the black and white copies did not show up great. So, I will pull up the color version. Um, and I will let Tony present with artistic landscapes. Okay, Tony, why don't you uh identify yourself and your role you're playing on
this project? I'm Tony Hurley with Artistic Landscapes. I'm the landscape contractor for Mary Sha Shayla Christensen and Mary's looking to remove the asphalt that's in our backyard and have us put
in these PA um patio with segmental wall stone. And as you may have seen there, we build our patios with open 3/4 in crush stone and that's where the wall will set on that as well as well as the
pavers. Hey, where is the pavement Tony? You were mentioning it's if you can see Mason's screen right now, that's the back of the house and that big area is all asphalt.
Okay. Okay. And that's where you're planning to put the pavers and the sitting wall. Yes. Do you actually have a plan of what you're proposing with dimensions? Yeah. Um I do. I believe you have it or there's a Do you have it or do you
want if we let you share your screen, Tony? Do you want to put it up? I I don't know how that How's that for? Okay. Yeah. That Mason, do you have a Did Did Tony submit a copy of that?
Yeah. One second. Can everyone see that? Yeah. So Tony, the usual thought that comes to mind is what's the size of existing pavement and what is the proposed size
of the pavers you they're approximately both 13 by 18. So that's um the asphalt's a little bigger than that and that's why we need the wall. There's a slope down towards her house, not away from the house, but towards the house.
So that short wall um will hope will help alleviate that slope towards the house and keep it a flat ground. Okay. Why don't I open this up to questions from the members? Mary questions for Tony or Mr. Middle.
Oh yeah, it' be great to put dimensions on this patio. And also um the are the paver is it is it porous pave paver so that there's bedded in in sand or stone or something or is this um mortared? This is porous and it's 3/4 inch brush
stone for the base and then we set the pavers on 3/8 brush stone and we fill the joints with polymer sand. Okay. And then the um exterior, is that all sand? Um where the plantings are?
Correct. Um we were going to use some like half inch loose. Okay. And Mary hasn't decided if it's the half inch or 3/4, but it would be loose stone as her mulch instead of bach mulch.
Okay, that's great. Less lawn. And then the you know the plantings have she has she selected plantings or are these she has not illustrated. Okay. So I my only comment would be great to add mentions to this plant so that we have some
record of what is being constructed there. Mason do you have any that she select native plantings if at all possible from the cm coastal plant list? Okay, you want to ask Mason something?
Mason, do you have the um onepage document that has the dimensions? Yep. Okay. Okay. Great. Great. Can you put that up, Mason? Just so we can all look at that. Everyone see that? Not yet. Not yet.
Oh, okay. So, it's I I think to Mary's point though, we could just transfer these measurements to the the plan. Okay. Okay. And Okay. All right. Let me continue. Mary, I'll come back to you if anything
else. Uh TJ, any any questions for Tony on this submitt? No, I think Mary covered it all. Okay. As she usually does. Yep. Mary, you should get paid double what what we all get paid. Zero plus zero. Yeah, there you go. Uh Diane,
any any questions for Tony on this one? No, this is just all to be done by hand. It looks like the we would excavate with a machine. You're talking a Bobcat, Tony, or Okay.
Okay, that's fine. Anything else, Dan? Nope. Okay. Thank you, Frank. Questions for Tony on this one? No, I have no questions. Thanks. Okay. So, Tony, the only thing I have is I would just simply suggest that you put
up a a barrier, whether it's a snow fence or one of those orange fences, limitation of work, just so when your contractor when you're out there, uh, we're not getting further into the property and disturbing it than than
necessary for the for the work. Okay. Where are you going to stage everything? I'm assuming on the driveway. Correct. Okay. And you're going to live haul off the materials. You're not going to stockpile. Correct. Okay. All right. I don't have any questions, Mary. Any
follow-ups on this one? No. Okay. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none. Okay. Do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information at this time? Just adding
those dimensions to the Yep. uh patio and then they also want plantings to be confirmed before installation as well. That'd be great. Yes, they should co Tony, please coordinate with with the agent prior to start of work just so
that you get everything checked off. We'll do you'll have a smooth project. Okay. Any anything else, team? I will let um Go ahead. Diane, were you gonna say something? No. Okay.
I don't want to cut anybody off here. We you know me, if you don't speak for 30 seconds, I'm going to keep moving. But hey, I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for 10 Old Point Road uh with the requirement to add dimensions to the
plan and uh to contact the agent with the final selection of planting prior to installing and and the fencing. Right, Bob? Yeah. and a a limit limit of work uh barrier of some sort. Tony, just so
that Okay, so that's the motion. So moved. Okay, do we have a second? Second. Who is that? Me. Okay. Second. Okay. Hey, roll call vote. All in favor? Mary?
Yes. TJ? Yes. Uh Diane? Yes. Frank? Yes. And Bob Connor's vote. She is. Thank you, Tony. Thank you. Mary, is this your house? Where?
Down the bottom. It is. Okay. She's on mute. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. General project discussion. Good luck. Uh yeah. No, looks looks like it's going to be a nice nice product project. So the I wanted to bring up
team just with July. Diane, did you did we skip Jackson? Nine. Nine. Jackson. Nine. Jackson's still on the agenda. You know what? My pages are sticking together here. Mason, you're supposed to
be keeping better eye me than I'm here. That's my property. Gave me about eight seconds to correct you. slip in. Mason was is taking me to raise so I've uh not doing his job today.
Okay, we have another requested determination of applicability nine Jackson way. The applicant is submitting an RDA to install the privacy fence on the westerly facing side of the property and to repair the existing deck for the
new wood and new stairs. Mason, can you provide an overview or put up a plan if there's one available? Yep. I'll uh pull up the RDA. Um in conversation with the applicant, um it sounds like the deck is going to be replaced in kind. Um and then the fence is going to be uh like I
said in your description, Bob, on the western side of the property. Um and from driving by and taking a look at the site, it doesn't look like that there's going to be any vegetation removal necessary um for the installation of the fence. Does the applicant realize it's going to
be a 50% open fence? Yeah. So, I had actually con confirmed that with the applicant uh to today. It was it was later in the day. Um but I figured that that could be something that we would just memorialize um in the RDA. Okay.
Hello. Can you guys hear me? Yes, we can. Hang on one second. We're just going to see if we can get a picture of what you're doing. There we go. Okay. Just give us your name and address and then make your presentation.
Oh, hello. Um, my name is Camille Rodier. Uh, I live on 9 Jackson Way and um we're looking to update our property here. Um, this first image is um the shaded area is our existing deck. Um,
it's very old and um we have three young kids under the age of six and um it's just causing splinters and not safe anymore. So, we're just replacing it the exact same way. Um we're actually shortening it slightly to make a step
down. Um and uh so it's pretty straightforward. Um nothing's really changing there except the quality of the wood. So the the footprint is either going to be matching existing or you said slightly slightly smaller. It um we
remove part of the deck to step down and make a a larger step, but it's still the existing footprint. Okay. And are you adding a set of stairs or just replacing existing? I'm just replacing. Okay, great. Why don't I stop you there
and see if we have any questions from the members? Mary, any questions on this project. Oh, thank you, Camille, for providing a plan. It makes me very happy. Well, I was told to. I know. That's what we usually have. Um, it looks pretty straightforward to me. um
deck replacement, you know, in kind and um and the fencing is going where on this l on this plan, where would the fencing be going? So, um along that edge. Okay. Um Mason has one more. Um I can show one, but there's one more slide
just like this one that shows the deck. Mason, if you have that. Yep. I can pull that up. Um that other fence on the other side then is off your property, it looks like. Yeah. So, ours is going to run the line of that. That's just the type of fence
we wanted. Um, uh, maybe I don't have it on this. I can I can show a picture if you want me to. Okay. But, you know, before you do that, Camille. Mhm. Are you reusing the existing uh supports for the deck? Yes,
we are. Okay. Yes, we are. Thankfully, yeah, they're already in place, so it's really just replacing the deck. Okay. So, Mary, any questions for Camille at this point? No, that's great. Thank you. Okay. TJ, any questions? Uh,
just going back to the fence. It just to make sure the applicant knows about the 50% rule because it looked like that fence was completely solid. Yeah, I I had a question about that. Um, I have
um I'm I'm curious why the 50% rule exists. Is it for the wind and the sand? I was told that was necessary for right the movement of wind and sand for the for the land. Correct. So, um I was also
told that it's for um facing for fences facing the street or near intersections. Is that still the case or it it has to do with the perform you're technically you're on a dune even though it's looks like it's probably relatively
flat site. Um yeah, it's actually grass which is you're part of the barrier barrier beach. So everything everything on Plum Island is part is a dune essentially and so that's why the requirements are not from us from D that
any structure needs to allow um sand migration under it or through it because so um there are existing fences in my area and abuing me that are not of that rule. So, I just wonder if those are
just grandfathered in or um just weren't done properly because the fence is also a bit of a privacy fence for the children and and and for and for our property. So, I was just told today of the 50% rule, which I knew was an
option, but I hadn't been informed till today. So, I'm just wanting to make So, Camille, it it it it's a requirement and it's one that the state has come down with on Plum Island, and I've been out here a long time myself. There are many
nonconforming existing yard features uh that have existed and people have the right to maintain, which creates confusion. But you can get the 50% open privacy fences, which will provide you the privacy. It's basically Mason, do we
have an area? What was the last one? Plum Island Grill has them. Plum Island Grill has them. Uh, I mean, not Sunset Club had it had side property line. Okay. I'm familiar with them. Okay. If that's the That's the 50%. You don't
have to have a 50% gap that you can see through. It's picture on a on a 2x4 you put a 1x six every six inches on one side and then where it's the gap on the other side, right? Put the same 1x six. So you get
the privacy but you get the the lateral movement. Yeah, that's the difficulty cuz um there is a dog ab budding us and it it still sees movement. So, that's sort of the difficulty with with the fence because you can still see um Yeah, that fence, but there's a there
was one um along the one in the back. Yeah, the one in the back. Yeah, that one. No, they're nice. They're nice fences. Yeah, but you can still see movement, which is which is part of what we're trying to to to create. But, um if that's the state rule, we understand.
Yeah, you know what it is. That that's what it is. and and everyone else has been required to do that. And and then certainly it they wish they could do something else, but it our what we try to do is not set you
up where that we we approve a RDA for you and then the state comes in and appeals it and then it adds a whole different level of time and cost for you. Sure, understood. Okay. Thank you. Yep, that's fine. Okay. All right, Mary,
I'm gonna go back to you. Any any other questions for Camille on this one? Okay, TJ, any other question? No other questions? Okay, Diane, any questions? No. Thank you. Okay, Ryan, any questions? No. Thank you, everybody.
Yeah, hang on, Camille. We still have to still have to take a vote on this. Okay, sure. Sure. Sorry. And first timer, you you want the good news at the end. You've been on the meeting now for an hour. You may as well hang around for the the good news. I have no questions.
Any raised hands from the public? Mason. Okay. Do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information? Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for nine Jackson way with the notation that
the fence must conform to the 50/50 rule. So moved. Do we have a second? Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. DJ, yes.
Diane, yes. Ray, yes. And Bob Conn is voters. Have a good night, Camille. Thank you very much, everybody. Have a good evening. All right. Uh 7:02 that we're going to have a quick one here. Okay. General project
discussion. Uh meeting dates for the summer of 2025. Team I wanted to propose was consider meeting once a month during July and August. I am concerned with quorums, vacations, and the like. I know
that may be a inconvenience for filers uh but if we don't have a quorum it's going to result in the same thing and I've got a pretty busy schedule traveling and other things myself and I so I'm just suggesting that we have one
meeting in July one meeting in August if if someone doesn't want to wait there's a pathway they can go directly to D after 20 is um we we did that before some of you all were on the board. That was um so it's
not unprecedented. Okay. Any any further discussions team? Do we want to just keep say the first meeting of July and the first meeting of August and cancel the second meeting of the month?
Would that be the July 1st or July 8th? I I think it would be No, July 1st. Uh, and then will be the first meeting. What's the first Tuesday in Yeah. August 5th.
Okay. All right. So, July 1st and August 5th. Okay. I will entertain a motion to uh amend our meeting order, our meeting dates uh for the month of July in August
to reflect one meeting July 1st and in August one meeting on August 5th. So moved. Okay, G. Do we have a second? Second. Okay, Frank. G Frank, you were pretty quick on getting out of meetings. It was
I got a busy August coming up, Bob. No, you know what? That's the problem. Everyone does. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so we have a second. Hey, roll call vote. Mary, yes.
TJ, yes. Uh, Frank, yes. Diane, yes. Bob Connors have says yes. Hey, the other before you move on to the next one, um I would just suggest Mason that you put something on the website to alert
people. Yes. And you know what? You you should probably alert Sunset at two Plum Island Boulevard, you know, the ones that have been kind of lingering along and Yep. Well done. Okay. No, good suggestion, R. Thank you.
Okay. Next matter is uh the DP has appealed the seven Marsh Avenue uh order of conditions. Mason, you want to give us a quick overview on that? And uh yeah, I can I can share the um the
letter that they had sent. I put that in the the letter was in the drop. Yeah, I threw it in the Was that the dog? Yeah, it was. Surprise, surprise, Mar. Um, so yeah, no, um, no sitewalk has been scheduled yet. Um, but when that does
get scheduled, I'll let everyone know. Um, and I can keep everyone in the loop with the comments that D has once they are a little bit uh more detailed and specific on it. The the other I think their main thing that they get tripped up on is the uh adverse impact in the
ACC. Yeah. Well, they'll figure it out. Yep. Yep. Okay. The other matter is in a butter appeal for 80 Northern Boulevard order of conditions. Uh so they're seeking a superseding order from DP and
Mason. Anything on that other than they scheduled a site visit on that? Yep. The I believe it's a week from today. Let me double check. um week from tomorrow, excuse me, 10:00 a.m. at 8 northern um applicant and their representative as well as the
abutters, their attorney, and I will be in attendance. Um so I can update everyone after that one as well. Okay. All right. The the next matter is Great Meadows Parking. And so we have a the lease has expired over
there and so Mason has reached out to the town administrator. Uh they're going to review this and when they come back uh they'll present a a lease for our consideration, but just so that the the
paperwork and the legality of it all is is handled by by those outside of us. Then we can we can That's the lease for the mowing. ES. Yeah. For the way. Yeah. And and with that, we can address the parking area, too. What's
going to happen there? It's It's still an issue. The Now, is that area over there? It's It's an existing roadway. That's all existing. Um, what do you mean? The the driveway into the parking area? Well, yeah. Th
those are all been existing and it's just being refreshed. I'm what I'm wondering, Mary, is does it require is it exempt because uh it's owned by the town and or should we consider just getting an RDA to
um well whether it's like exempt maintenance depends on how much they need to do there. If it's just adding gravel or something, probably not. But it it it sounded like it wasn't a big deal though. It's not a big deal. It needs some fill to even it out and some gravel to um it just is a big mosh pit
sometimes when it rains because it's it's very uneven. I don't it's not been maintained for a very long time. Mary, did you say a mosh pit? I'm dating myself. Not that I've ever been in one. I've
just heard. Sure. Sure. your your your girlfriends, your sorority sisters have told you about this, right? Your hippie days are coming back, huh? Okay. Ju just to be clear, we we don't think it's necessary for for us to file the town to file an RDA for
this. It depends on what they need to do. Okay. If it's if it's um how extensive it is. Okay. I can send you the language for minor exempt activity. Yeah, that would be great. Okay. So, so Mason, if the town coordinates that with you and if you feel that it it's going
to be more than just a refresh, um, you know, bring it back to our attention. Yep. We'll do. And so, the existing lease has expired. I'm anticipating they're just going to go back to the the the previous lease holder and
uh and renew it. But, and that is um Colby, right? Yeah, that was Colby. Yep. Yep. So, and then that we would have to we'd come back with the the lawful lease for our consideration
because we actually oversee the property for the town. Um, and then it would be having the commission authorize me to sign the document for the lease. That would be the once it's in proper format. So, I do remember the last time we renewed it. Frank, you might have been
on the board then, too. Um, we had some limits on when it could be cut for protection of bird habitat and bird nesting. Believe you guys moved the date from July 15th to July 30th. I I have it in my notes. I can review that
and I'll make sure that that's included. Yeah, actually I think I put a copy of that. Oh, you know what? I didn't put a copy of that in the Dropbox. It was the old lease, but I do have a copy of the old lease. I can add that to the Dropbox, man. if you want to take a a
read. Okay. Okay. Anything else? Staff reports and updates, Mason, anything that we we haven't talked about? I don't think so. Okay. All right, team. Any any final thoughts? Mary, anything you want to put
out there before we No. Before I ask you to make a motion to adjurnn? I make a motion to adjurnn. All right. Anybody else have any any comments or thoughts before we we get done? Okay, so Mary's made a motion. Who will second that? I second. Okay, roll call. All in favor?
Mary, TJ, Diane, Bob Connor, and Frank. Yes. Great. 711. Thanks. bad at all.