All right. Good evening. My name is Bob Connors. It's 6:02 p.m. and I'd like to call the September 16th meeting of the Newbury Conservation Commission to order. Mason, can you please read the preamble to the remote open meeting law and take a roll call of
the members present? The preliminary matter. This is Mason Far, conservation agent of the Newbury Conservation Commission, and I call the September 16th meeting to order and permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Mary Rimmer,
yes. TJ Ki, yes. Mick Brown, yes. Harry Trout, yes. Uh, Woody Knight, Frank Wetenamp, yes. And Bob Connors, yes.
Good evening. This open meeting of the Newbury Conservation Commission is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020 due to the current state of emergency in the Commonwealth due to the outbreak of the CO 19 virus. In order to mitigate the transmission of the CO 19 virus, we have been advised
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commentators, they'll call on each by name and afford three minutes for any comments. Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote. Okay. Thank you, Mason. Okay. Upcoming meeting dates, we have October 7th and October 21st will be the next two
meetings of the commission. Meeting minutes review, we have the August 5th, 2025. And I I apologize team. I I put the 92 2025 minutes in uh midafter afternoon
today. So if you haven't had a chance to take a look at those, we'll we can just kick those to the next meeting. So any questions, concerns, or corrections on the August 5th meeting minutes? Okay. I will entertain a motion to
approve the meeting minutes for August 5th as written. So moved. Second. Okay. And Frank was a second. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ,
I. Woody. Mick. Hi. Harry. Yes. Frank and Bob Connor's vote. Chairs. So, team has again just to apologize. The 92
meeting minutes are in the Dropbox, but they got there late. Uh, is the wish to kick those to the next meeting to the August 6 meeting or have people everyone had a chance to take a peek at them? I had a chance to look at them, but yeah,
I did not, but I trust Frank his memory. Okay, Harry. Yeah, I I did review them like within 10 minutes of the meeting and I'm fine. Yeah, I know. It was a last minute scramble to to get everything in. So, it's okay. All right, Mick. How about you? I haven't had a chance to review uh
September. Okay. So, Mason, why don't we do this? We're going to uh we'll we'll table the re the minute review for the 92 meeting. We'll put it on the October 7th agenda. Yep. Sounds good. All right. Thank you. All right. Uh,
first order of business, certificate of compliance, DP file number 0501337 84 Boston Road. Applicants requesting a full certificate of compliance for a project that was permitted to construct a proposed office, garage, and contractor.
Plan plan amendments were made during the project and a NASB build is provided highlighting additional changes. Mason, why don't you give us an overview on this and if you have a recommendation? Yep. So, where we left off with this, um Kristen and I with the planning board had did a sitewalk probably a month or
two ago. Now, at this point, um reviewed the on-site conditions and made a list of things um that needed to be updated um on their asbuilt and um just general notes that needed to be updated before uh issuing a certificate of compliance. Um they're in the process of working on those now with some additional changes
the planning board um needed that was a part of their original site plan review. Um, so they're working on those things now and they should be getting back to us um for the October 7th meeting. Okay. Where this isn't a public hearing, we'll just put that on the October 7th agenda.
All right. Continue public hearings to Plum Island Boulevard. The applicant is submitting a notice of intent to demolish all existing structures on the property and construct residential town homes uh pileup supported building. The
project is located on the Barry Beach within a 100 foot salt marsh buffer. Mason, why don't you give us an overview on that? And I I see. Yep. I'll just note that Woody just joined. So, now we have a full board. Um
yeah, so where we had left off last, um the applicant was going to request to continue um until they had a decision or a path forward from the zoning board of appeals. Um since then they've gotten um a decision and they've also um gotten
response from the select board to be a co-licant on the notice of intent for the town own portion um of the project. Um they have also notified an additional a butter um due to the um extent where
the town property is. Um so they've notified them seven days before the hearing um and are now in front of us again to present. Okay. So did the ZBA issue a decision or did they close the public hearing pending?
I believe they close the public hearing and town council is drafting the final decision which will then be approved. Okay. I I see Jeff Rolloloff. Jeff, good evening. Good evening. Thank you. Yes. For the record, uh Jeff Roloffs, may I share my
screen? You sure? You certainly can. I am here uh tonight with Steve Sawyer, our civil engineer with Millennium, and Patrick CCamp, I believe. Um although I don't see him, as well as Scott Brown, our our architect, who's here if you have any questions related to his uh
work. So, I'm going to just give you a quick introduction and then I'll turn it over to Steve. Um, I'll just point out that we haven't had actually any substantive review or public comment opportunities on this project yet. It has been pending
for some time. Um, but so we're going to we are going to sort of walk through the uh our our full presentation this evening. And if anyone from the public is joining us for the first time, you really haven't missed anything substantively. Um, project chronology.
We filed in March. At that time, the project was four units and two buildings, four driveways from Sunset, no uh improvements within the right of way. We sort of reshuffled our project team after that meeting in the first ZBA meeting. Um came up with a significantly
um revised project, knocking the units down to three in one building, one shared driveway off of Plum Island Boulevard. We had a guest parking spot up near Sunset and we had proposed public improvements in the town right ofway. Before we actually discussed that
project with the commission, we revised it again based on feedback that we were getting from town officials and some of the uh neighbors. Um, in response to that, we submitted a new package on July 29th, knocking the unit count down to
two uh townhouse units in one building, a smaller building relocated further from the intersection, one shared driveway from Plum Island Boulevard uh with parking underneath um including guest parking and unit parking underneath the building and then
dune restoration and other improvements within the town right away. At that point, D responded and said that it didn't have any further technical comments. So, we had satisfied D at that point in time. In uh August, we actually came to the commission and you had
indicated that you wanted the ZBA to make some progress in its process before you picked this up substantively. Um, which we've done. Um, you did take up the question of peer review at your September 2nd meeting and decided that peer review was not warranted here. Uh
we appreciate that. Um and then after the ZVA meeting last week, we provided another submitt. Uh sorry, we we provided another submitt just hitting four points. Uh number one, we revised we submitted a a slightly
revised site plan from the one that we had submitted in July and landscape plans. Those revisions were minor. They reflected replacing the previously proposed 20 foot x 20 foot patio with two 10x10 patios. So reducing the
overall square footage of the patios. Um they depicted the public walkway as asphalt. That was requested by DPW as you discussed with Steve on September 2nd. Um, and I'll just point out there that the the walkway both offsite um
within the town property and also on site within a proposed easement area are areas that are currently paved. Um, we included a vegetative strip along Sunset and then we revised the impact tables as you requested at the last meeting. So, the revisions were minor as compared to
the plans you saw in July. Um, ZB8 update as Mason indicated we had a lengthy meeting with them last week. The con at the conclusion of that, the ZBA voted to uh request that town council prepare a um an approval uh decision so
that it could review the conditions prior to a final vote which is scheduled for October 16. The town uh through its select board also took up our request to consent to the notice of intent. Uh they took that up at their August 26th
meeting. I'll just distinguish uh a little bit different than what Mason had indicated. The the consent is it doesn't actually make them a co-licant. What the regulations uh provide is that if an applicant is proposing work on property
that it doesn't own. Um the application requires the owner of the property to consent to the filing of the notice of intent. It doesn't mean that they're a co-licant. um although they would be binding uh they would be bound by any conditions imposed through your order of conditions
to the extent it related to the work on their property. So they have consented to this NOI filing and then as Mason indicated we did provide additional notification to the property across the intersection because they're actually beyond the 100 foot radius as uh
calculated from the project locus which is defined as the lot. Um, I question whether the notification was needed, but we thought we would just provide it uh to be safe. Um, so that's that gets us up to date. I'm not going to spend much time on the
existing conditions here. If anyone wants to look at these later, we can come back to them. This is the site survey that you've had for months. I'm just going to assume that you had a chance to look at that. Um, you can tell from the photographs and just from your knowledge of the site, most of the site
consists of either buildings or pavement primarily. And then areas that aren't paved are um basically areas that have been continuously disturbed for many many years. And we did review the history of the the use and buildings at
this property with the ZBA to to its satisfaction. So these are just aerials. Like I said, we can go back to these if uh questions come up tonight that warrant coming back to them. Um, with that, I'm going to turn it over to uh Steve Sawyer. And Steve, you can either
share your screen if you prefer or you can work from the slides that I have here and I'll move through them. Jeff, I have one question for you on it. You mentioned you had a a minor revision of the site plan that was resubmitted to the ZBA. Has that been forwarded to us
or did we already have that? And then you do. Okay. So on September 9th, uh you got a package for me that included a letter from me providing you the um the updates. Sorry, the I could I could pull it up if you want,
but you'll see in your file you've got a letter from me that actually hits these four points. So it was a letter just providing you an update with the ZBA process, the town consent, and the supplemental notification. and we included with that letter the updated
site plan and updated landscape plans both dated September um that that incorporate the same revisions that were included in the plans submitted to the uh ZBA. So the plans that you have in front of you are the ones that I'm showing here and those
are the most current plans. So for example, the public way here is shown as being asphalt. You can see the vegetative strip there. You can see the smaller patios. um that are on either side of the building now rather than the larger patio previously proposed. So yes, you
do have those. Okay. Thank you, Jeff. Welcome, Stephen. Hello. Good evening. Um so yeah, so there really has since I think the last time I presented, I can't recall the last time I presented there was really minor very minor changes. I think what
we had was a a wood boardwalk for that public public sidewalk. And in meeting with James Serret, he said, you know, as far as the town is concerned, he'd much prefer Batuminous for that um sidewalk that directs pedestrians from parking. They park on Sunset Drive. They can
cross the street and um walk um make their way around the corner away from the traffic down to Plum Island Boulevard towards the um towards towards the beach. Um so that is now shown as patuminous. I think at that brief when we briefly discussed it, I did update
the tables to reflect the additional impervious area. Um if you look um so the in both cases, you know, we're removing um you know on the on the city property uh there's a substantial
removal of pavement. um the patuminous um the patuminous uh sidewalk is there's 640 uh square feet of patuminous sidewalk and then also there's a small amount of existing batuminous at the drive apron that we're
maintaining. Part of that there's a catch basin there and part of that is for the batuminous sidewalk to tie it needs to tie into an area for the pedestrians to continue on towards um towards the beach. So there's a total of 640 square ft on property. I mean on on
on the city rightaway, town rightaway and 36 square ft uh of existing pavement to remain. And then also on the on the property there's a little bit of batuminous sidewalk or actually there's 325 square ft that's on property um that
there'll be eventually be an easement uh granted for uh public uh public use on that. You can see the as the uh right away bows around there on sunset. That's going to be public sidewalk. Um so that's that's the changes major
changes there. Also the division of the large patio into two smaller patios. Uh as far as the access it's hasn't changed. It's uh uh going to be a u pstone or chipstone type uh surface uh
with rear loading to under underbuilding parking there uh at the rear of the building. And then there's some boardwalks. The all the walkways on property will all be boardwalk type, not not impervious. And then the only uh impervious area, those two smaller
patios that were reduced reduced basically half half of what was originally proposed uh but were providing each each unit owner their own private their own private patio versus a combined patio. Uh and then Patrick I think there was some minor updates to
the to the planting plan. I think Patrick's here. If he wants to discuss those I can pass the torch to him. And uh but I don't think there was too many changes between the planting uh that was originally proposed and where we're at now. Steve, one question on the on the
patios. I'm assuming those are pavers. Yeah, those would be pavers. Okay. Why don't I do this? Let me open this up. Why don't I hold you there? Let me open this up to questions from the members and then either Jeff, uh Patrick or Steve could chime in, you know,
according to the questions. Okay. All right. questions from the members. Mary, questions for either Steve, Jeff, or Patrick. Um, one is a question about the access. I think when we the earlier iteration of
this plan, the access to the houses, the driveways were off of Sunset. Yeah. Was that changed as a safety issue concern? Well, I I think number one it uh really yeah it for cars backing out in
sunset probably not optimal but I really don't think it would have been a a safety concern there. I think more it was more so aesthetic. Um the look of the building that the new the new facade of the building is is much nicer than having four garage you know at that
point it was four four garages facing sunset and the people driving in uh people driving on island. So that's a a dramatic improvement there. Okay. Safety wise, it is an also safety wise it is an improvement because they would be backing, you know, they would be
backing onto Sunset and there's a safety improvement where now they can back out of the garage in the rear and pull out forward onto Plum Island Boulevard. Okay. So there there is you are correct. There is a there is a safety improvement uh with that change. More driveway space, less less potential
for dune restoration, but I understand why you did it that way. And the other question is about the foundation plan. Do we have that? Because I know that originally D had comments about the type of foundation that was to be used. As far as the foundation, it's going to
be just steel piles. Uh the piles the piles are shown on the uh steel pile typical. They just drive them into the sand. Uh so they were shown on the building section. And then I the plan view shows the locations of each of each
pile. Also, I believe they're in the plan view. It does show the their location. So, you got columns built around the piles. I'm sorry. What's that, Mary? Some kind of columns built around the piles to create. I don't I think the I think the steel Scott can chime in, but I believe the
steel I don't know if he's going to encase enc case each steel H pile or it just be the the rod that the steel age pile exposed. Yeah, that's correct. The intention is to sort of basically pad out the piles and trim them trim them out.
Which is what we're seeing in these architectural drawings here. Okay. Uh and and did D review these revised plans as well? They did. Okay. Great. and they they confirmed they confirmed after the July submitt
that they were okay with the revised plan and then um they reconfirmed today uh based on the minor revisions that we submitted that they were still satisfied. Okay, great. Yes. And then and then the treatment of the between the piles is some sort of garage
door or lattice. What what is that? Yeah, what we're seeing here on the front elevation which is on the bottom which is the view from what Sunset Drive. Scott, could you just give us your name? Oh, certainly. Scott Scott Brown, the architect for the project. Okay. Thank you, Scott. Sorry about that. Yeah. So, what we're
seeing here in the front elevation with this is with our our back to the west, the, you know, front as you would see it from Sunset Drive. Um, all of that horizontal lattice that's screening for the parking area, uh, un that's, you know, underneath the
structure. And that screening is going to span between uh our steel piles. And and what we're showing at the bottom there, that little shaded area is uh really to kind of indicate what's in shadow. So that is uh
open at the bottom. Okay. And that's our side elevation. All those shaded areas are are open open areas. So that'll extend to what one or two feet. to above grade that open area.
Correct. Yeah, I think at um at our closest we're two feet, but if I think for the most part we're a little bit above that. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Mary, most of these revisions were aimed at minimizing the visual impact of vehicles associated
with the building. So, Yep. Yeah. And and I'll just point out also, I mean, that you can see from this rendering, um, by relocating the building over and getting rid of those driveways, it just provided a lot more opportunity to get the vegetation up in front of the
building and at the intersection. And my last question was about the planting plan, which I I just had a chance to review the plant list briefly. It all looks great. My only question was about the Austrian pine and maybe Patrick Camp can address that when he
gets a chance if he's here. I am for the record on Patrick Camp environmental um Mary. So, um, the reason why Austrian Pine was put in there was I took a walkabout, if you
will, and I went up Sunset Boulevard and I looked at some of the dune structure that was uh, existing there. And then these are pretty much um, more natural dunes, bigger, more robust dunes than we actually will be able to put on our
site. But Austrian pine is pervasive throughout the entire uh Newbury section of Plum Island. Yep. And so, um, that's kind of why I put it in there because it's doing well. It seems to grow well, uh, in that environment and it does, you know, kind
of provide the same structure that some of the other pines uh, maybe that weren't going to do as well in the droughty sand. Does it have any invasive qualities? No, I don't think so. Uh it doesn't it's not real prolific in terms of spreading. Yep.
And it tends to have that nice windswept, you know, uh almost like a bristle cone when it's in the coastal environment. It sort of gets low and squat and um I I like the look of it and I think it blends in well. So, because it was up
and down Sunset Boulevard and some of the other more natural dunes, um I added it to the planting list. Okay, I have no further questions. Okay, Mary, I'll circle back if if anything anything else comes up. Uh TJ,
any questions uh for the uh the team here for two Plum Island Boulevard? TJ, you're on mute if you're you have a question. Sorry about that. uh for whoever can wants to answer this one, but the
rendering that was uh just shown the bigger one that that's the three unit one that from the prior uh thing that will be shrunk down to two. Is that correct or no? This is actually
okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's it does each unit has three of these segments that you see here. Um, and it is a reduced footprint as compared to the three-unit uh proposal that you saw in June. But Scott, you can correct me if I'm wrong on that, but this is the
two-unit rendering. Correct. That is the correct one. Okay. And uh secondly, when you tear down the other building, u did you are you do you know if you're going to run into any hazardous material or do you have to make any accommodations for asbestous in
I don't know how old the building is or with you know any of the commercial things that that um it contains or things like that. Um I'm not aware of there having been any pre-demolition survey of that sort
yet, although any demolition crew that comes through here will have to do that. Mark, I don't know if you um have any information on that topic, whether that kind of survey has been done yet. I can actually add some clarity to this. just being a contractor, TJ, when they
apply for a demolition permit, they're going to have to submit uh a record or that there's no, you know, hazardous waste or that it's been abaded before the permit will take place on the demo. So, so it's so that'll happen automatically on the
Yeah, it it's just part of the state building code and uh the building commissioner will will manage that. Very good. That's it. Okay. Thank you, TJ. Woody, any questions for the team here for two Plum Island Boulevard? Yes. Um, they're more along the line of
clarification questions that already been said. The pines that you that um you spoke of. I've always called them scotch pines. They're different than that. What did you call them?
Yeah, this is Pat Camp. So, um, scotch pine is a different species. Um that's Sylvestus. Um Pinus Sylvestus. Um I'm drawing a blank now on Austrian pine
species, but they are a similar growth form. Uh Austrian pines tend to be lower in squatter and in a good uh sight. Scotch pines can get pretty good bowls and pretty tall. Um but they are different than scotch pines. Yes.
Okay. it. But there are scotch pines on the island on Sunset as well. I think there are. Yeah, I believe. All right. I may be I just recollection I'm maybe confusing the two and calling them all Scotch BS. And um my second
clarification question is the sidewalk here that is on and off of town property around the corner. What is the makeup of that? because in the picture it appears to be wood. Uh, yep. In in the current site plan,
it's depicted in this shaded gray and that's to reflect the request of DPW that it be retained as asphalt. In this area, all all of this area where it's located currently is asphalt. Um, so this revised plan depicts it in gray and
then includes a notation um over here. five foot wide batuminous concrete sidewalk um rebuild over the existing pavement. So that you're right though that the plan that was submitted in July depicted that in a boardwalk wooden boardwalk. So
that was one of the revisions reflected in this most recent submitt. Okay, thank you. Um thanks for the clarification. And I don't have any other questions right now. Thank you, Bob. All right. Thank you, Woody. Mick, questions for the team for Two Plum Island Boulevard. Uh
yeah, I just um curious as to historic use of the site and are there any historic uses, previous buildings that would indicate, you know, potential for impacted soils or impacted groundwater?
Well, all I can say from the history I did for the ZBA, which went back to the early 1900s, was that at least since the 1950s, this has been used as a restaurant. Okay. So, no USS
No. And is uh and your soil structure will you be driving sheet piles to bedrock? I mean driving the pilings to bedrock. I don't believe typ typically it's just friction piles that they they dry uh
it'd be a friction pile in sand. Okay. So, it's it's primarily sand and natural deposits. There's no clay layers or anything. Uh might be pete when you get down. I'm not sure. There might be some you know where you have the marsh. Um the marsh they typically just take this they from what I understand they
just drive the steel piles, wood piles till they get to a certain resistance and then cut them certain blow count. Yeah. All right. And the uh the patios uh that you're proposing uh those are kind of like paver patios. So you don't include
those in the impervious or you do? I did. Those were included in the impervious. Oh, okay. All right. Y All right. Well, thank you. That's that's all I had. Okay. Uh thank you, Mick. Harry, questions for the design team on this project? Uh not at this time, Bob.
Okay. Thank you, Harry. Uh Frank, how about you? Any questions for the design team on this project? No questions, Bob. Looks like a major improvement on the site. Yeah, I I agree. So, I have a just a couple of questions, sir. Know what it
is. I can't read the notation. What What is the proposed uh driveway material, Steve? Uh I think we're just uh crush stone of some sort. Some pravel or crush stone of some sort. Okay. And the garage material, what's
what's proposed? Similar similar underneath. Yes. Okay. I don't have any further questions. Mary, I'm going to circle back to you just see if there was anything else that you um wanted to Yeah, just two quick things. I mean, the plan says pear gravel. So, you know, I
think that and Steve, maybe you can correct me, but crush stone would have a different curve number than pravel that that it really becomes pretty impervious the crush stone, but this is something that's sort of more or less raked um to to maintain
simpity. Yeah. Yeah. It's there is some, you know, there's some um sands in it. You know, typically a pravel there's some sands. Um it's not a limpack material. I don't think we're not, you know, that the stone dust is that this the material gets pretty impervious and can compact like concrete.
Yeah, exactly. So, I'm just assuming that that's not what we're using. No, we're not using the stone dust. No. Okay, good. And then um just the the walkway width of the the sidewalk. Um, seems like that's fairly wide for a
sidewalk, 5 feet. Um, for public sidewalks, that's typically what they like. So, two pe, you know, two people can walk side by side at a 5ft widewalk at four feet. It becomes somewhat narrow. So, typically now public sidewalks, they push for a five foot width if possible,
minimum width if if possible. Okay. Um, if if if you did, you know, that's one thing James mentioned. He said, you know, he he realized there are environmental implications of it and he he would he would um you know, he would he would understand if the commission
had other other wishes for that sidewalk. Okay. Who would who would maintain it? Town's going to maint town will maintain that. They'll have an easement or something across that property. Yeah. Across the propert where where where it's on the pro off
off off the rightway. Okay. Um yeah, I mean it, you know, certainly would be narrower would be well, you know, less less asphalt is always good on beach, but if it really affects the functionality of it, then
it's probably an acceptable trade-off. So, yeah. Okay. So, just following up on Mary's question, Steve, you're going to provide easement for the town to maintain it. I'm assuming same for the public right to pass and repass on that as well.
Okay. Yeah, it's correct. Okay. Well, before I open this up to the public for questions, uh this is a vast improvement team over the original uh project submitt. I I I think it's a it's
a great improvement to the resource in this area. So, with that, Mason, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none. Okay. Do any members have a request for
any add any additional information or additional questions at this time? Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing. So moved. All right. Harry, you made that. Second.
Okay. So Harry and TJ. Okay. A roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ, hi. Woody, yes. Mick, hi. Uh, Harry, yes.
Frank, yes. And Bob Connors votes yes. Okay, team, this is usually when we discuss any particular additional special conditions on this property. Mary, do you have any outside of our
usual conditions? Um I think where there's a demo involved in this you know there might be some additional conditions um it it might take a little bit of thought actually I don't know if we could do this in the meeting or we can or we can
you know come up with this conditions for discussion at the next meeting but where you're demolishing I don't know if there's going to be a lot of excavation to remove an old foundation in in which case how is that going to be done and does it need to be back filled that those kind of
uh questions would just mean that there might need to be conditions about removal of inorganic material offsite and and replacement of sand if you if you're going to have a lot of excavation
replacement with the same grain size material like we usually do. Um D in their original comments talked about two years of monitoring for the plantings. So having annual monitoring reports and
requiring 75% native vegetative cover in the planting areas. I'm assuming that the white areas that don't show green are that's beach grass or I'm not I'm not sure what the white areas are if that's just sand paths or
or not in this plan. Can you can you just zoom in on that? M I mean it would seem that it would be San Mary. Okay. Okay. So typically we would we would a question Mason in our usual conditions
it usually calls for a pre a premeating with the agent prior to static construction. in this case would be, you know, prior to demo where there is really no vegetation on this property probably other than dandelions
and it's going to be completely reveated uh once the process uh is wrapping up. So, it it seems that the two-year monitoring you're talking Mary, you want just a annual report? Yeah, it's two growing seasons of
monitoring after the plantings are installed. Okay. We'll just call it for annual report on status and success. Okay. Anything else? And as built Yeah. And they would obviously
and it' be a as built plan submitted for a certificate of compliance. Okay. Anything else, team? Okay. I will entertain a motion. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Frank.
Did anyone have any other discussion on this or any other Mick? Any suggestions that you would uh No, I I I am I have no further questions. It like you said above, it's a a vast vast improvement on existing conditions.
Yeah. No, it's it's going to look nice. I will entertain a motion to issue an order conditions for two Plum Island Boulevard uh with the the usual conditions uh with the addition of a 2 years monitoring uh
for plant growth with a 75% success rate and as build plan uh prior to issuance of a certificate of compliance and a premeating with the agent prior to
started demo. similar grain size replacement. Yeah. And that I think that's in that general conditions anyway that it just has to be the Plum Island CIV analysis. Okay. Compatible. Okay. Uh roll call. All in favor? Oh,
excuse me. That was the motion. Uh do we have a second? Well, we need someone to I'm entertaining the motion. TJ. Okay. TJ TJ motion and Mick, you're seconding it.
Yes. Okay. All right, then. Anything else? Roll call vote. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ, hi. Woody, yes. Mick, hi.
Harry, yes. Frank, yes. And Bob Connor's vote yes. Thank you guys. I know this has been a long one. Uh, was it March when this first came in, Jeff? It was. Yeah. But, you know, the time's been worth it,
right? It's a better project. So, thank you for all your time on this. Well, you got it. You got it across the finish line. So, uh, good luck on them. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Uh, next matter. Another continued public hearing. D file number 0501451,
25 Harvard Way. Applicant is submitting a notice of intent for the construction of additions, renovations to existing single family dwelling, improvements to include expanded deck in a new stair system. Mason, what's the status of this? Is are they still in ZBA? I think they've submitted everything to
the ZBA and they're up for review for I think maybe the October 16th meeting, but we can check in with Steve to to double check. Yeah. Okay. So, Steve, you want to continue this to the October 7th? I know. I might as well actually I would say till after the October 16th ZBA
because we won't have any decision, you know. So we'll do October 21st. Yes, let's continue the October 21st. Okay. To 10:21. Okay. All right. Uh I will entertain a motion to continue this public hearing at the
request of the applicant to the October 21st, 2025 meeting of the Conservation Commission. Someone moved. Second. TJ, Harry, everybody. Yeah, I'm writing someone's I've gota
write someone. I'm gonna keep my mouth shut now. No, no, no, no. Listen, I'd rather have three people say I'll just I'll pick the order. Okay. Uh, roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? I. Woody? Yes.
Mick? I. Harry? Yes. Frank. Yes. And Bob Connor's vote chair. All right. Uh, now we have a D file number. Another continued public hearing. D file number
0501453, 34 Central Street. Applicants submitting a notice of intent for the construction of an MBTA residential housing development at 34 Central Street. Mason, what's the status on this? Uh so at the last meeting they continued to October
16th uh excuse me October 7th with us I believe. Um and since then we actually just received Heidi's um initial review of the project. Um so that should be shared with the board and in the meeting folder. Um so if you guys are able to
review that before the next meeting that would be great. Was that is that in the Dropbox? Did I put that in the Dropbox? I uh let me check. Let's see. Don't think so.
I'll reshare that with you to make sure you have that so that can be shared with everyone. Yeah, send that over. I'll add it to the Dropbox uh for the October 7th. So, they're requesting continuence to our October 7th meeting. Yep. Okay. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the
applicant's request to our October 7th, 2025 meeting. So moved. Second. Okay. Uh roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ, I.
Woody, yes. Mick, I. Harry, yes. Frank, yes. And Bob Connor's low. Okay, general project discussion. There was a Mason had raised you had mentioned
Mason about the wording on the regulation we had previously uh had pre previously approved. Mary the only I I don't disagree with the wording. The only thing was Lisa me uh town council had proposed the exact wording that we adopted
which I think was for the meeting at the follow the following minutes the meeting at the the September 2nd meeting. Yeah that we adopted I I guess the only discussed at the meeting of August 5th and those were the only minutes that I I
reviewed. Oh okay. So that so I think yeah I we'll use the language for the September 2nd minutes that she Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Any anything else team? Uh any couple updates on some uh other
projects. Uh I'd received the let me see uh appeal notice for file number 1386. um that is 333rd Street. Um so they were issued a superseding order. Um and then
just recently uh the superseding order was appealed. Um and then we also have an appeal to our local bylaw um from Jeff Roloffs for the pro um for his clients uh Tim Drost um and
that's for the 80 northern project. Okay, re refresh me on the 80 northern project. Um, that was that a residential house? Although that Okay, that's the house in question that they they've appealed that as well.
Yep. So, where that stands now um they are in talks with the applicant and are trying to work on um kind of a a settlement right now. Um but it sounds like um you know their main concern is is not having um you know a weather
professional um make a statement or provide anything on uh the impact windcour things like that um due to the height of the house. Okay. So it's out of our hands for the moment.
Uh yes I believe so. Uh from what Jeff had been saying is the next steps is I believe the applicant has 90 days to get the information together um for all of the submission material that was presented to the conservation commission
um and that is submitted to the court for review. Now is that for 80 Northern or for 333rd? 333rd being but AD Northern was appealed to D though.
[Music] I think right mean until D made a decision you really couldn't appeal that to superior court. So it has to be bylaw appeal has a different it's a local bylaw appeal. I think it's
because the height of the house was pushed because by right they have the two 9 by18 parking spaces. Um and that's what they're disputing I believe. Okay. And yeah but clarify that that's
80 northern. Yes. Okay. So the appeal for the local bylaw goes to superior court appeal and has has 60 days appeal you know you have to appeal within 60 days of issuance
under the state wetland protection act you appeal to D you can do you can do two separate appeals you have to if you want to get the you know project turned out okay I was always under the impression you had to exhaust all local and D
appeals before No, actually often when you get to a certain level at the EP, they'll have to they'll wait for you to finish your bylaw appeals before they'll take it on as a or a judiciatory hearing. Okay. What do we what do we have to do if anything on that appeal is that
obviously town council would be involved in that? Yeah. And and the way Jeff had explained it is it's the burden is on Al to provide a lot of that information. And so he'll be likely coming into the office and asking for copies and and gathering a lot of the submission
information that was presented to to the board. Okay. I would just suggest you notify town council if if she hasn't already been. Can we get an update as well on the marsh a dock? Uh yeah. So they
had sent out a request for information. Um, where that ultimately had left off is they were saying that the original ORAD that was issued identified where the mean high water was. So if they were going to do any new submission, they
would have to resubmit an ANRAD with their updated mean high water calculations from the the different gauge that they had used. Um, at that point I had talked with the the land owner and he was kind of hesitant on going forward seeing that
he's already kind of sunk a lot of money into the permitting process and I'm not sure if he's really, you know, seeing seeing the end results as as practicable at this point. Okay. Yep. Okay. Any any other business, Mason?
Don't believe so. What's happen? Uh how about the dam? Uh the uh Oh, yes. Uh Larkin Dam, uh construction is actually starting on Tuesday. They've just started mobilization and stuff like that. Um so laying out construction roads and things like that. Um so
Tuesday they'll be finishing the construction road over at the Larkin Dam, mobilizing all the way to the dam site. Then they'll be moving to Kentway. Um getting all the access roads ready here. And then once everything is set up, they'll go back to the dam, start the dewatering process, um the
deconstruction of the dam, and then they move back upstream um for the gauge work and for the uh rip wrap edition for the 95 scour protection. So all the erosion control is in place.
Uh in the process of that now they're just kind of dropping things off at the site and getting set up. Okay, Mary. No, I was just curious how long they thought it was going to take. Um, I believe it's it's kind of spotty right now because it's going to be a
week or two for mobilization at each spot. Um, and depending on how fast the review for the water quality control plan comes back from the Boston office, um, they may have to wait a couple days or a week or so before they they're trying to get it in before by
this end of this year. Yeah. Um, from from the sounds of it, I I think that the the Boston office is is trying to quickly review to to kind of get things moving. So, okay. Anything else, Mary?
No, thank you. Okay, Mick, any any anything you want to any questions or comments you want to make? Uh, no. No, I think I'm all set. Thanks for the update on those uh other projects, Mason. That was good. Okay. Thank you, Mick. Harry, how about yourself? Any any other comments? No,
just appreciate the uh update. Thank you very much. Okay, TJ, how about yourself? Any any comments or questions? Nope. All Thank you, Woody. How about yourself? No, no comments on anything. Thanks for the updates and I hope everyone's doing
well. Okay, Frank. Well, I mean, Frank just been traveling in Paris and all through France for the last, I think, three weeks, but so he's doing pretty good. Yeah, I would just recommend it to anyone who has never been.
Definitely go. Okay. All right. I have no comments. Uh, sounds like Frank is requesting a sitewalk to the the south of France. We're looking we're looking for propose I'd like to propose we have a sitewalk to Sanrope.
A a offsite uh meeting for the commission. Yes, absolutely. A retreat. That would be the perfect retreat. town to pay all expenses. Yes. Okay. It is now 6:55 p.m. and I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn.
So moved. Second. Okay. All in favor? Mary TJ Woody. I Bob. All right. Good night everyone. Thank you. Good night everyone. Events.